Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on 12s

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

In honor of today being 12/12, we're talking about some of our favorite dudes to ever wear the number 12! Our first 12 won a slew of rings and has the singing voice of an angel. Our next guy is a freakish athlete that might be next up. Our last dude was no stranger to Super Bowl trips. We wrap it up by compiling a list of 12 things we're particularly thankful for. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because I got whiskers all over the place right here. like my hair is growing I kind of shaved last night Bobby Whiskers My name's my name Bobby Whiskers goes really well And it works every time That's like an Italian like wise guy

Like nickname Hey Bobby Whiskers Welcome to dudes on dudes I'm Julian Edelman And I'm Rob Grankowski And this is the show Where your favorite dudes Get to talk about their favorite dudes

And since today is 1212 We're talking about some great 12s From the world of football What kind of 12s are you talking about? dude that has a bunch of rings one word legend i grew up watching this guy at nine o'clock before the nineers games oh college college football player first college football player he's in a category of his own and to be that well conditioned that's that's what it is what about a legend that's no stranger to a super bowl oh who's that and no we're not talking about tom brady again okay we're not talking

about tom we're talking about him we're talking about and then we wrap it up with 12 things that we're freaking thankful for. This is a hollad episode. Yes, we do. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production of IHeart Radio. Dudes on 12s.

We know we loves dudes. And if a dude's a 12 out of 10, Jules, let me tell you, he's a stud automatically. That makes him a stud. You know what I call that? It's, what's that? A Brady. Oh.

A dude that's 12 out of 10? That is a Brady. And technically, he is 12, too. He's 12. He's a 12. He's literally and figuratively 12. And emotionally? He's like a 20 out of 10 emotional.

I mean, especially during the football days. Oh, my God. We should just get going. Because it's 12, 12, 24, we decided that we wanted to do an episode of dudes who represent the number 12. Now, we've already done Brady so we can't do Brady. Which is weird if we're doing. in a 12 episode. Is that not a little weird?

Because I would say he's possibly the greatest 12 of all of all time, no matter what sport we're talking. But we already did, Tom. Who are other some great 12s? Aaron Rogers. Joe Namath. Joe Namath. Randall Cunningham.

Kenny Stabler? Kenny Stabler. Randall Cunningham? That's a throwback. Okay. Okay. I used to love Randall Cunningham. Who else a good 12? And yet what other sports are 12? Doug Williams.

Dougie Williams? Who else? One of my favorite, Dusty Baker, he's my favorite Giants manager. Baseball player. When he played, though, when he played, though,

he was number 12, I believe. There's not many, who's a good 12 baseball player? There's not many 12s out there, you know? What about Dwight Howard? It's kind of a random number. He was 12. He was 12.

Boy Howard was number 12 in the NBA. No way. Was he number, he was number 12. Dwight how he just He was not number 12 That would be like weird Was he?

Really number 12 in the NBA Wow I never seen that before John Stockton John Stockton oh John Stockton One of the greatest pastors of all time Big Pest

Love the guy Love watching his highlights Wade Boggs Yeah Wade Boggs What a name Grant Williams with the Celts Oh all right

All right What about, all right, all right. So 12 is our special theme day. Let's, let's do some math related 12 problems. All right, let's go. What's 12 squared? Oh, that's easy, 144. All right.

That's 12 times 12. I mean, that's like the first, like, difficult, easy math problem that you were supposed to solve in like third grade. All right, right, right. Yeah. And it just flows well. 12 times 12 because 144. What's 300 divided by 12? Oh, that's a tough one.

Well, if it's 144, 12 times 12. So then if you had 144 plus 144, that equals 288. So 25 because, yeah, 25. 25. Yeah. All right, all right. 25. You see how I calculate my math problem?

Yeah, yeah. Like, I kind of like, that's kind of like how I calculated, like, plays in my head as well. That's kind of how they do math now with kids. like these i'm learning the the math style i thought you just carry the one and stuff now it's like there's a whole bunch of different pitches i'm learning right now in second grade my next question i love these math problems i can hang out here all day jules if you ask me this stuff what's 12 times 69 oh oh well let me let me calculate again so i figured out that 300 divided by 12 is 25 so so 25 so two of those would be

50 would be 50 which would be 600. All right. So then we now we got 19 more to go. So what's 19 times 12? So 12 times 12 is 144. So 144 plus 600, I mean plus 600 is 744. So now we got seven times 12 to go still, correct? Right.

So seven times 10 is 70. All right. So then seven times two is 14. So that's 84. So 744 plus 84. All right. Let's calculate that is 744 plus 84. Let me, all right.

744 plus 100 now is 844 minus 16. 828. Yeah, baby. Let's go. I told you I'm the math magician, baby. All right. Now you see how I break it down. You got arithmetic.

You got arithmetic down. All right. All right. All right. Let's do a word problem. It's an algorithm. If a movie is two hours in 12 minutes, how many minutes is that? All right.

Well, 60, 60, 120 plus 12, 132, 132 minutes. Easy. I like that one a lot better than 12 times 69. Even though it had 69 and I like that one a lot better. Numbers guy. I like easy numbers. You made me work with the 12 times 69. Man.

Well, that's why it's a 69. That's a lot of work. That was pretty fascinating to see how you did the math. Yeah. I kind of wanted to break it down to you. I was doing the math. And I was listening to you do the math. And I was like, that's how he's doing that math.

Can you believe I got that right, though, in the end? Yeah, I can't. Like with all the numbers, I was going up and down. I was doing multiplication on the side. No, I can. Thank you. Yeah. Remembering.

Thank you. You always knew a contract. Like, if so, he had a cap number. I just remember in the locker room. You knew cap numbers and, and, and, and, and,

and, and, and, how many years that out? He's getting 12, two a year, dude. What?

How did you get? Well, because that was, like, basic math. I'm, like, really good at the basic math

and multiplication and, and division and stuff. Like, like, he's got a three-year deal for $24 million dollars. I mean, you just break that down real quick. That's,

uh, $8 million dollars a year. How much would be guaranteed? Kind of, like, basic math. Usually how much you're guaranteed? Well, I mean, I don't know how I was just saying any random contract.

Average guaranteed in the NFL is probably about two or three years. So if it's a three year contract, that's definitely a two-year guarantee. So that would be $16 million guaranteed. But he's a better player than most players. So he got $18 million guaranteed. So the third year would be really hard to cut him still. So it's kind of like a $24 million guarantee because he made half of it guaranteed in that last year. So you can't cut him because you're going to take a beating if you do.

cut him so you might as well just guarantee the whole and the player took that because he was basically saying if we get to the last year of the deal you better fucking pay me again yeah exactly okay we front load you don't you can cut me and I still get the I still get an extra two or three or four million dollars because I added that little extra

guarantee to it man I wonder what Casario and Belichick think when we knew all their little fucking schemes 500 grand let me earn it you know what I'm talking about about Casario. Yeah, Cassario.

Doing a great job in Houston. Let's jump on. But he's coming for you still. He's still coming for you. I love Casario. I remember I yelled little buds. No, the last contract. Some guy got paid. I won't bring up his name that I got really disrespectful.

Just won a Super Bowl MVP. I'm like, and I'm over here negotiating with these guys. And I wanted 500 more to be at this guy's number who wasn't even half the caliber of player and the Patriots always say we don't negotiate against the market. I go in there and I was like not going to like couple offseason workouts. That's that's the extent of of our sitting out when you're a patriot. I wasn't going to March fucking optional workouts just to prove a point. And I fucking finally go in there. I see Casario at the goddamn water cooler. I go, Nick, are you fucking out of your mind? We're 500 off. Put it in incentives and let me fuck.

fucking earn it. At least give me the chance to earn the fucking money. And I was getting loud with them. And he's like, Nick doesn't like any confrontation. So he's like, I'm like, I'm like, Nick, put it down. He's like, I got it. We'll get it. We'll get it. We'll get it done. I'm like, all right. And I fucking yell. I basically bullied him into giving me an incentive. Well, to be fair on your side, they were paying you. They were trying to give you a contract that was a half million dollars less. Then I'm not going to say his name than the guy that played your position who had like half the amount of catches and touchdowns. And had no Super Bowl resume at all, no playoff experience, no playoff catches.

And he got 500,000 more than you in the free agent market. So to be on your side, it was fair. But I wasn't a free agent. Yeah, but it doesn't matter if you weren't a free agent or not. You could have been in the future and you were just trying to take a team-friendly deal. To be fair on your side, to earn that incentive as well to just have the equal contract to that person that was having a bigger payday than you that had a half of a resume of your resume. of your resume, that's fair.

I'm all on your side. And I earned that money. You earned it. And he earned it, baby. And I got it. And he earned it. And I got every penny, Jules, that you got in the NFL. It wasn't given to you.

It wasn't like you stole it. There's people that steal money in the NFL to sign a big deal. And the next thing you know, they vanish. You earned every penny, brother. I wish I could have been a mistake for a team, though. I know. You would have probably made like $25 million more. I know.

If I didn't take that last. deal and I would have waited till a free agent with the new markets. I would have been sailing off in the old dusty sunset, bro, drinking my tides on a goddamn beach and Fahiti. Ah, yeah, but then you went Fiji. But then you went to some kind of E with some fee. Stop it. Stop it.

Because then you wouldn't be here with me talking dudes on dudes, okay? Let's get into it. Let's jump into it. Let's jump into it. We're going to do it a little differently this time. What we're going to do is we're going to read the AI version. and see if you guys can guess who we're talking about. We won't drop their name.

And then we'll announce his name. But we will start the clock before then. And it will start right now. AI summary. Let's see what we got. Standing at 6'4 3 and weighing 215 pounds. This legendary quarterback was drafted first overall in 1970. Woo!

We have a true throwback on our hands, ladies and gentlemen. 1970. number one who I was from where I was negative 19 years old in 1970 I was negative 16 well 26 no 26 no I was negative 26 years old no you're born in 1986 yeah so 81986 yeah so 81986 minus 1970 is negative 16 years old yeah just making I want to see if your math was right yeah well thanks jules for checking on it and making me look like a superstar all right Well, this guy played 14 seasons in the NFL. 14.

Oh, so you were negative 2 when he retired. And I was negative 5. 5. Yeah, I was negative 5 when he retired. Man, so he's, this is old. We got an old buck on our hand. Who is this guy? Old, 1970.

He's there, all right. I don't know who it is. Let's keep going. He was known for a strong arm and fearless style. Fearless. He led his team the four Super Bowl titles in six years, earning two Super Bowl MVP's with over 27,000 career

passing yards and 212 touchdowns. A Louisiana native. He wore 12 his entire football career. Off the field, I think I know who this is now. I have a feeling. I'm looking at the pictures so I know. Well, I mean,

I don't, you know, take shortcuts like that. Off the field, he's known for his charisma and humor, making him a beloved broadcaster and entertain. Ladies and gentlemen, today's first 12 on 1212, 24 is who, Jules? Let's get on Terry Bradshaw. Let's roll, baby.

Let's roll. Oh, Uncle Terry. All right, Julian. Uncle Terry. What's the first thing you think of when you hear Terry Bradshaw? One word legend. Mm-hmm. I mean, I grew up watching this.

guy every morning at 9 o'clock before the Niners games. Didn't really know his career. I mean, like, as a real football head until I got older, until we started like getting to research stuff, you always knew of who he was because he had four Super Bowls and he was part of the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is like a foundational organization for the AFL, NFL, NFL. But then I got to, you know, then we got to work with him.

And he's just like a fucking awesome dude. He's like just... The best. He's such a good dude. And he, you know, he's been very... Such a big heart. Big heart. And he's a superstar.

And he makes you feel comfortable. Like in the world, when we jump into that world of being, you know, in TV, Terry Bradshaw. I mean, he's, he's one of the reasons why Fox is what Fox is. right now. He's a start he's like what is it, a parent founder? He's a founder of the kickoff pregame show. He's a founder of the kickoff show and him and how he's in there.

Howie Long and Jimmy Johnson as well. Jimmy Johnson. And I think it started with James Brown. James Brown. James Brown. My guy who went over to CBS. CBS. Let's not talk about because we have Kurt Meneffey now. Yeah, we got with us here at Fox. We got Kurt Meneffey. It's the pleasure to have him. You know,

I'm glad that switch happened. I don't know J.B. but I can't imagine having anyone else besides Kurt Menofee. Yeah, no. But back to Terry. He's just a, he's like a country dude. He has a story and a joke for anything. He really does. Do you remember the joke he got Brady on?

Mm. Where he tells this long, he told this long story. He's got everyone, we're on this trip, a seminar. And he's telling this story about a dog or something. and like he he knows how to get the story going i mean it was a 15 minute like starting story or pitch what do you call that a 15 minute set up like he was setting them up for 15 minutes all for a five second punchline all for a five set he says they're like you're sitting there like your job we're all sitting there like you're drooling like what's going to happen next like he's that great

of a storyteller forget the punchline but all the other guys howie jimmy Michael, they've heard that he tells this damn joke, but he's got, he's got Brady on the hook. Brady's sitting there shedding a tear. It's about some dog or something. This dog's dying or something. And I forget what the punchline is, but freaking Howie comes in and he goes, oh, the old late, yeah, that's a sad one. Like, everyone's in on the joke.

Brady, who's the, like, Mr. Emotion is sitting there about to cry and then freaking Terry drops the fuck. I think he did tear a few times. And he dropped. the punchline, which I'm not doing any justice by not being able to tell the joke, but that's the kind of guy, Terry is, man. He had the whole fucking casting crew involved in this thing to get Brady just to like, let him know he's part of the team.

How piss was Brady too? Oh, my God. He was, what? Oh, he got him good. He's such a fun guy to work with because he's testing you always too, but he's always giving you little bits of advice. Yes, yes, yes. That's, you hit it exactly right.

on and Terry Bradshaw's for the people. He loves people. He loves entertaining people. He loves having conversation with people. It doesn't matter if you're a kid, you know, if you're a middle-aged man, it doesn't matter. Middle-aged woman, like older woman, older man. It doesn't matter. He loves conversation with people.

He loves people. It doesn't matter what background you have. He's going to have a good time with you. And that's what makes Terry Terry as well. It makes him a seven, you know. Greatest guy out there. He's testing you like, like you said. but at the same time he's giving you career advice.

And that's why I love working with him because he's always keeping you on your toes. And he makes me feel very comfortable at the desk. He really does. He kind of put me under his wing when I got there. I knew Terry from a couple times before, from a few other appearances, and we were hitting it off. And the best was when I came in the Fox,

and my dad's a huge fan of him. And I just literally come right up to him. We already met a couple times already, though, but it's my first time at Fox. I just never told him that my dad's a huge fan of them. And I walk up and you know, Howie's there, straight hands there. And I go, hey, Terry, my dad's the biggest fan. And everyone thought, like, I was going to come in as a big fan, you know, as the new young book, as a rookie.

And everyone just lost their mind. And how he's like, oh. Oh. And Michael Strayhan's like, oh, it's his dad. That's the biggest fan just to bust his chops as well. But Terry loved it. Everyone, my dad's age and above, even under is our huge fans of. Terry. Everyone loves them. Not, you know, obviously because of his football skills and how much he did for the game of football for the NFL winning four Super Bowl championships in six years, but also his personality off the field as well, man. People love him. You know, he's just a guy that is down for anything singing, dancing. Bronson, what is it, Bronson, Missouri.

Branson, I think he does a concert every year in Bronson. Branson, Branson, Branson, Branson, Missouri, the one. from a she's out of your league where they go on that vacation you know what I'm talking about so I think he does like he sings he'll go do like shows he's done stand up he's done movies his butt cheeks were in a fucking Ryan Reynolds movie he always he talks about that I mean on the football field I mean everyone loves him off the football field but I mean he played so long ago 1970 18 whatever to 19 1984 yeah and feels like he played in the 1800s actually because he played before we were even born. But like you said, I didn't really know the game of Terry Bradshaw until I got a little bit

older. Yeah. And I started working with him. And then I started going back and watching the history of football. And Terry Bradshaw, I mean, he's one of the leaders. And he's kind of like a co-founder of bringing the NFL to a whole other level and winning championships and creating the past game as well. I mean, the guy's got a strong arm.

He's an exceptional leader. He's a gunslinger. And he's resilient as well. I mean, he had one of the toughest coaches in the history of the NFL, you know, from what I'm reading and what I'm experiencing, watching documentaries about the Steelers and Terry. This guy wanted to bench him. And he still went out and won Super Bowls. I mean, pretty incredible. I mean, he's clutch, mobile.

His ability to extend plays, too, when we were watching his highlight. Tough as hell. Tough as nails. I mean, the way those guys were getting hit back then, like he always tells me these stories about him. when he breaks, he's breaking his back and stuff and guy, like he comes back two weeks later. And like those guys were on a whole different gridiron. Like we're tough football guys and yeah, the game's probably a little faster and bigger now. But I mean, when you watch guys back in those days play, it looks like it's illegal.

Like forearms to the face, taking guys down by their face masks, spitting on a guy when he's down. fucking people's elbowing. The things that we got in trouble for were like legal in this time. And he played 14 years and had two back-to-back Super Bowl runs. That's what people don't realize. He went back to back. They didn't win a couple. And then he went back to back again, which is fucking crazy.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are like one of the most popular organizations in football because of Terry Bradshaw in those teams, like setting that stage. or an early, early football, which isn't like early, early, early football, but like 70s football's early, early football, which, I mean, I went to Kent State. So that's right, that's like two hours from Pittsburgh. And I just remember there was always so many fucking Pittsburgh Steelers fans everywhere around there.

There'd be a lot of Cleveland Browns fans, but so many Pittsburgh Steelers fans everywhere. They travel. And it's because of Terry Bradshaw in those 1970 teams. Would you say he is the original? original TB12. Yeah, he is. I mean, I think Tom Brady wasn't a glee in his mom and dad's eye yet when he was winning Super Bowls.

When was Brady born, 75? It actually makes it so fun being on the set with, what makes it so fun, you know, working with Terry, though, being on the set. And now that Tom Brady is with Fox as well is that I get the joke who my favorite TB12 is, you know, And it's whoever's treating me nicer at the time. Yeah. So Tom comes in, you know, I'm asking him a question and he gives me props. I look at Terry. I'm like, Terry, Tom's my favorite TV 12 right now.

And then Terry gets all mad and upset. And then he goes, but grunk, I love you. And you're doing this great. You're doing this great. And I look back up at Tom. I'm like, hey, the original TB12 is my favorite TV 12. Tom. I'm sorry.

And I love just working it and playing. It just makes a lot of fun. And that's why it's so fun working at Fox 2, just with the teammates that we have is just, you You know, unbelievable. Have you heard that Tom Brady an alias story? I have, actually. From Terry? Yeah.

So Terry. Tell it. Let's hear it. It's unbelievable story. It is surreal. In 1983, when he needed to get an elbow surgery, he didn't want it to be in the paper, so he used an an alias name at the Louisiana hospital.

You know what that name was? Tom freaking Brady. Tom Brady. You can't fucking write that. And then the original TV 12, basically faked, named the current TB 12? That's fucking gnarly. That's some psychic shit.

Yeah. He was also, Terry Bradshaw was the number one pick to live up the expectation from Louisiana Tech to be the number one pick, small country boy to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers and win four Super Bowls. That's fucking crazy. Crazy. He was a flat out winner. And what I love about Terry, too, is nothing stopping that guy still to this day.

I mean, whatever gets in his way, whatever gets in his path, he just keeps climbing over it and just keeps on going. He's always ready to go 24-7. I'm 35 and I look at him sometimes throughout the full day at Fox and I'm getting tired. And Terry never getting tired. It's always ready to go. Boom, boom, boom, always on point. Always giving a one-liner, always talking football, always breaking down to play. He's just immaculate.

And I love learning from him and I love being under his wing and I love working with him as well, man. Is he immaculate like the reception? Ooh. And then also one, on a serious note, I'm pretty sure Terry Broadshaw was like one of the first NFL guys to talk about mental health back in those days. Which, you know, it's talked about all the time now with football players and athletes and it's pretty norm now. but it wasn't like that when we were playing like people were you know there was a stigma or

a perspective or a perception on guys that wanted help mentally or if you wanted to go talk to someone and like to have a guy like Terry Bradshaw in the 70s who was a fucking icon you know talk about his mental health that's a big part for why we are we're at right now in in sport you know being okay to like talk about your mentals

you know as as what is it Marshawn Lynch says you got to protect your chickens You know Terry Bradshaw was protecting his chickens back in the day I like it Terry man I appreciate everything that you've done but I got a question Oh real quick if Terry's alias name was Tom Brady What would your alias name be Jules? Ooh

I'll tell you mine right after mine's pretty good And it's understandable My alias, an alias name I would go with Would it be Danny Amandala No I think he would go with Francisco Delaware

Francisco Delaware Yeah But that's how you would call Like the hotel and be like What name would it be under Francisco Francisco Delaware? Yeah

Francisco Delaware I'm not even going to ask you where that came from What's yours? Mine's Bobby Whiskers Because I got whiskers all over the place right here Like my hair is growing I kind of shaved last night

Bobby Whiskers That's a good fucking name So Bobby Whiskers goes really well And it works every time That's like an Italian like wise guy Like nickname My friend Bobby Whiskis My friend one time

He came into my hotel room drunk And he got on the phone The call room service And you know how they answer And they say your name They're like hello Mr. Whiskers How may I help you? And he his jaw dropped

He was hammered he goes Mr. Whiskers And he looks at him He goes, you're freaking Mr. Wiskers And then he gets back on the phone Yes I'm Mr. Wiskers I fucking give me eight cheeseburgers And he hung back up

And then ate cheeseburgers burgers game. Wait, so you actually use this an alias name? Yeah, all the time, actually. Bobby Whiskers. Mm-hmm. Oh, I can't wait too.

Time. What kind of dude is Terry Bradshaw? I mean, I feel like this one's pretty Ethan. It is. I mean, it is. He's obviously a dog

when you play in those days. Mm-hmm. In the 70s, everyone had to be kind of dogish. I'm just going to put it out there. You had to be a dog to play in the fucking fucking. 70s. I mean,

how physically, mentally tough he was, too? You're getting your teeth kicked in, and then you're going to work at the gas station in the off season. That's a dog. He's a great dude. He is?

I mean, at work, he's a guy, he's a glue guy at work whenever we work with him nowadays. Like, he's always talking shop, and he'll make his rounds to, like, everyone, and, you know.

Want to go out to dinner, have a good time with you, have a drink with you. He's definitely a dude. We did. Big time. We did go gambling once. We played craps, and he's never played craps before.

And I'm not joking. Terry was rolling, and he rolled for fucking 61 minutes. 61 minutes. We had to get it time. Why not add eight more minutes to that? I wish he would have, but I took it. Dude, I won so much money with Terry. And, like, I'm sitting there like, Terry, give me a fucking, a Tom

right and he's like what's that and he's thrown he's like it's a 44 like he's that I'm like 44 yeah he's like did we win I'm like yeah we won terry oh jules you're gonna be excited right now I want to go to bacon with you brother he's definitely a dude's dude he is a dude's dude but I would stamp him as a dog because of the era that he grew up in and just what he did too under his head coach wanting to bench him and him not you know nothing ever facing he's also a stud though winning four Super Bowls in six years as well, which is pretty incredible. That's crazy. I mean, I mean, what are we going to do?

Is he going to, what are we going to break him down as, Jules? On three, one, two, three, dog. Stamp it. All right. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Kelpen. And on my new podcast, here we go again.

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Let's get on to our next guest. Let's start the synopsis. Start the time. All right. Here we go. Here's a synopsis. I can give you a clue. He wears number 12.

Oh, good clue. Yeah. All right. At 6 foot 1, 185 pounds. He's one of college football's most electrifying talents. Oh, college college football players. All right. Now are we talking. I was waiting for this day. I was waiting for this day. I was too. You know, this is a Christmas present. Early Christmas present here we got for all the Connick football fans out there. Eight crazy nights. Initially, a top five recruit committed to a Power 5 school. He made ways by committing to an HBCU program. now playing in the Big 12. He's making highlights on both sides of the ball,

week in and week out. A Florida native, he was a two-sport athlete, excellent in both football and basketball in high school. Off the field, he's a gamer and content creator with a massive social media following. Jules? Who is our first college player wearing number 12? Let's get on Travis Hunter.

Ooh, man. All right, all right. I like this, man. I'm excited, too. man, not just because we have our first college football player, but we have the biggest college football player in all of college, possibly a Heisman trophy winner. He's a two-way player, one of the best wide receivers in the game, but also one of the best defensive backs in the game. When was the last time we've even seen a player play both ways, not just in the NFL ranks,

but we're talking just even in the college ranks, Jewel. Well, I don't think anyone's played like this. I don't think any, I don't think he's, I think he's, he's averaging 114 plays per game. That's fucking gnarly. I remember when we played the game you didn't play in that 16 Super Bowl when we had three receivers. We had a hundred and like two plays and we were fucking exhausted. Gas, exhausted. And this guy plays 114 plays a game.

14 plays average a game, which is, that's, that's crazy to me. But also, he's like, he's like that first general. He's like, we're starting to get a lot of these new guys. These are the first generation guys of going from like one school to another school. I mean, I believe he committed to Florida State. Then Dion didn't get the job. And then he went to Jackson State. And then from Jackson State went to the Big 12 to Colorado with Coach Prime.

Like this is this new generation of like a free agent type player. And I don't blame him. Why wouldn't you go with one of the most electrifying athletes that, did it where you want to go in the National Football League with Dion Sanders, who's going to help you develop to what you ultimately want to do and become a pro. I mean, it's been so impressive to watch this kid play. Well, Sad, and you can't blame the kid at all going where Dion Sanders goes because it's all about relationships in life.

If you have a good relationship, why would you want to break that relationship? You know, relationships go far. If it's a long-distance relationship, or if it's a relationship, you can go somewhere with someone. So you've got to give him much respect that he's loyal. Dion and Travis Hunter are loyal to each other and each other's family. And you got to appreciate that because you don't see loyalty, you know, like that anymore in the United States. All this, all this social media, everyone's usually out there for themselves. But to see that loyalty is something special.

And that's why it's working. And that's why he's, you know, Dion's creating a powerhouse just within Travis Hunter. And then also a powerhouse of a program at Colorado because they're loyal to each other there. And I like that, man. I like it a lot. Now, what do you think he's better at? Receiver or DB? Oh, man, that's a tough question.

And what's he going to do? There's another question as well. What's he going to do when he gets to the NFL? He's going to play both. He's going to pick a wide receiver. He's going to pick a corner. I mean, we can all throw our perspectives in, but I mean, it's always obviously up to what he wants to do

and what's best for the team or whatever way he wants to go, whatever, which way and direction. But in college, I would say his first couple years, he was a better quarterback. Better cornerback. He was making plays, interceptions. you know, he kind of, you know, was doing well at the wide receiver position, running by guys. But lately now, since Colorado has taken off, their top 20 now, they're winning games.

And I would say that has to do with Travis Hunter stepping it up at the wide receiver position. And from what I'm seeing, he is a better wide receiver now than he is a cornerback, you know, this year, his third year in the college ranks. I thought he was a better cornerback his first two years than being a wide receiver. but what he's doing now is special at that wide ride receiver position he's starting to understand it more i feel like you know he's running routes now he's not just more athletic than the other guy he's going up there he's pinpointing the ball jumping over two guys strong hands that's exactly what you need at the next level as well and it's just fun to see him go man and you want to know what makes him so fast you want to know what makes him so fast is he got skinny calves man he as dion sanders always said you never seen a race race one horse with calves. You never seen a race horse with calves. I remember Dion said that one somewhere. I could be fully wrong, but I feel like that's, I had big calves. So I wasn't a fast, fast guy. Look on my leg. Change the direction calves. I got, I got way too big of legs. No, the thighs, the thigh, it's not the thigh. You look at his thighs, he's got big thighs. But when you have those

little bird calves that come up to here, you know what I'm talking about that little, it's like a little bird calf. Like you think I, those are, that's a speed guy. You think if I get liposuction in my cast I can make it back to the NFL. No, but if you get a calf implant, you'd look really cool. That was a good answer, Joel. I like that. Way better. Is he going to win the Heisman? I mean, you got to play out the whole year to see if he should win the Heisman or not. And I truly don't even know anyone else that's in Heisman contention. Yeah. That's half of it, right? Media. Yeah. Half of it is media. I think he should because it's unbelievable what he's doing on both sides the ball. And what's so great about him as a

defensive back, too, he's always around the ball. I mean, he's making interceptions off tip balls. He's making interceptions because he's going to go make the play and go and deserve that interception. But when you fall into an interception, that's just because you're always around the ball. Yeah. And you have that knack of just always wanting to be

around the football. That's just a smart player right there, man. He's a really, he's an exceptional zone corner. I haven't seen a lot of man and I haven't watched a whole whole lot. I mean, I watched a lot of his highlight. for this, and I've seen all his highlights. But, like, his instinct to jump off of his zone,

to track another zone, and reading the quarterback is really good. Like, he's always, like, a trap zone defender. Like, he'll keep his eyes in the backfield. Trap meaning he's got the flat. There's a guy inside of him, and there's a two-deep safety. Like, he'll keep his eyes on that backfield, and he's breaking on the ball before the receiver is because he knows you know, probably the receiver's responsibility, which I remember when I played defense,

it made me a better receiver, you know, when they brought me into those meetings. That's what I did want to ask you as well. What was it like playing defense and offense? Actually, you did it in the NFL ranks as well. That was what year 2011. So you can explain more of what Travis Hunter is doing than anyone else. Well, it's as a player, it made me a better. it made me a better receiver because once I stepped into all the defensive back meetings,

I was learning what they were protecting. I was learning their techniques. I was learning on certain things what they would try to do with safeties. That's really what mattered. The corners could lie. But if the safeties were out of position, that's when you would pay the leverage that the defensive back always had to keep because he was protected with certain help on certain sides.

like that taught me as a receiver like in my in my route running that if I do this to this guy I know he's protecting this which I see it in his game when he's playing defense when he's jumping all over these these um the receivers leave into his zone so it's really hard mentally like that's what I'm interested to see how he does in the NFL because once you get to the league you know there's no you know rice Academy Agricultural School where you could just go and glove up their best receiver who's, you know, he's good in college while having to study, you know, the game plan for offense, which, you know, in an NFC, or AFC championship, I played like 25 plays on offense. I played 25 plays on defense.

I played all the special teams, something along those lines. Could be off a couple plays here or there. but it was so hard for me in the prep week to get all my mind ready for what my offensive needs were and then also for what my defensive needs and my responsibilities were. It was a lot mentally. And then, you know, in practice, you're going the whole time. And in NFL, it's 17 game season. So, you know, it's been really impressive to watch him doing college.

I don't know what he's going to do in a pro. I'm probably pretty sure if I was him, I'd go defense because those corners get paid a lot of money. And then they'd probably give you a package on offense. here or their red red area package or a third down package or you know a gimmick package where we need to get like some spark you get them in like a slip screen or he can catch the ball down the sideline that that's well said though i believe that he could possibly play both ways in the NFL but not full time both ways like you said have a package for him on offense in the red zone or or third down or whatever it is or whatever best suits his skill set at the wide receiver position and then use him full time. time on the defensive side of the ball. But I would say it's up to Travis Hunter, obviously, what he wants to do in the NFL. I mean, coming out of high school, I was an all state defense event. I only had eight catches as a tight end, you know, coming out, coming out, you know, going into the college ranks. But the whole time I knew I wanted to play to

a tight end position. But if you were a fan out there, you'd be like, wait, wait a second, you were all state. D.N. Why are you going, you know, to college for tight end? Because I knew that best suited me. I knew that I had the best chance of making it to the NFL because, I felt like I was a tight end and I felt like I could grow at that position and be the best out there. So it's all up to him. It's all up to his mindset what he thinks best suits him. And only Travis Hunter could determine what side of the ball he wants to play. But he's so good.

In my eyes, though, it'd be really, really tough to play a full NFL game on both sides. But he's so good. He's good at both positions where he could be in packages on both sides of the ball. He could be an impactful player on both sides of the ball. He may, yeah. Probably a special team or two. Oh, he'd return kicks. He's also making $3 million a year right now in college, so he ain't no rush.

Man, what would you do with that money if you had that in college, Jules? $1 million, bro. I would probably have, at that time of my life, I'd have the sickest, like, surround sound, big screen TV. I'd have the dopest, like, Xbox stuff. I'd have a gamer chair. Because when you're in college, that's what you did. You play video game. I'd have a sick poker.

We used to play a lot of poker in college. I'd buy, like, a sick custom poker table. for like a poker night. All right. Now we're talking. Obviously you're going to, I mean, you roll up to Georgia's fucking student parking lot.

You see nothing but Lamborghini. So I think I'd have to join the club, get a Lambo or something. I mean, you're a college kid. You got no fucking fears of anything. I call those Lambo shit boxes. Well,

you want to know why because I can't fit it. My knees are going through the windshield. I would have a freaking F-150 Raptor or something. I know what you would. A Lambo. I would have the lambo of the, you know, four trucks. I don't really like them either, but I just probably, I just can't feel it. I probably get a Lambo. That's why I say that.

It's three million bucks. You probably couldn't get a Lambo, actually. What would you do? If you were, if college, this is what I think college rob would do. Oh, let's hear it. I like this. Would you just buy an Olympic size pool, make it a hot tub? There we go.

There you go. You're hitting me right on the money, tools. Also, no, I was a big Halo player, man. I love video games. And Halo was our game in the house that we lived. and we played four-wave players on that, what was it, Xbox 360. And we had the four worst gaming chairs of all time. Oh, yeah.

They were falling apart, like two wheels on the chair. But it was squeaking, ruining the floor every single time we were playing. But we didn't care as long as we got our Halo in. And Halo, like, gave you that excitement, gave you that juice as well before going out. So it was always a pregame game to play as well before hitting, you know, hitting the town on a Friday night. Well, I would have had the, I would have had the best possible video game. set up that you could possibly have if I was making that type of money

in college, man. Big time, man. Time. Let's do it. It's time. What kind of dude is Travis Hunter? Man. He seems like a great team guy. He is a great team guy seems. He doesn't seem selfish. He seems like he gets along with everyone. He has a great

attitude. So he could be a dude's dude. He could definitely be a dude's dude, you know, especially to the video gamers out there. I mean, always streaming with everyone, always letting everyone have the inside of what's going on in his life, which is really cool, man. And what's different about this era compared to our era is if you were a streamer or if you were big on social media at our time, like it would be frowned upon.

Like coaches would use that against you if you mess up on the field. But that's what this new generation, these new millennials are all about. Genzi. Hey, let's vlog. Let's play video games. Let's, what is it, Twitch? And let everyone see our video game streaming going on. And that's totally normal.

And that's how it should be, because if you take care of business on the field, you can do whatever you want outside of football on your own time. But our era, it was always frowned upon because there was no such thing as social media. Like it was just starting to become big. So they would use every excuse if you messed up on the field. Oh, he's on Twitter. He's doing that video game. But it's cool that guys like him are just so good at what he does on the field. And it makes it totally normal that he's still a streamer.

And he's kicking ass at that too. So that's really cool. You know, so at Colorado, they have the L or the D. They don't give a C. They don't give the captain logo. They give a leader or a dog. And he got the dog symbol, so he could be a dog. Because as Dion says, every dog ain't a leader.

And every leader ain't a dog. Ooh. Ooh. I like it. That's real, too. That's real. I honestly don't see, I see him as a dog. Like we always say, guys are multisaltern.

things, but the one thing that sticks out to me, I want to see if it sticks out to you on three. One, two, three. Stunt. Stamp it. Why is he a stud? I would say he's a stub because he's playing 144 plays a game. Well, that's freaky. Yeah.

Actually, all right, all right. That's freaky. You're right. He's a stud on the field because he's a stud on the field because he's a freak. Yeah. Let's change it, Joel. so let's change one two three freak yes he's i mean it's pretty it's pretty insane it's pretty insane it's pretty insane to have 114 plays a game i hope he continues to have the success and by the time we drop this

maybe they'll be in the play yeah he's 100% of freak when you play a hundred 14 plays a game you're just absolutely freak of freak of nature and he's making plays on both sides of the ball i mean yeah that's studly but that's more of like whoa that that that's like whoa that that's some freak material right there. No ands, ifs or butts about it. He's got some weird, crazy, like, numbers, uh, records were, like, he's got over a 500 yards.

He's got like four interceptions, this, that, he's done it like three times. And one person's ever done it. It was like Champ Bailey, like 25 years ago. So like this guy's in a, he's in a category of his own. And to be that well conditioned. That's, that's what it is.

You're a freak. You're a freak. You're an absolute freak if you're that welly conditioned. Welly condition. Well he conditioned. The most welly conditioned player in all football, college football, that is. Let's go. Who do we got next to us?

Not doing Brady because we already did him. So don't give us a Brady, a Brady. No, he thinks he should be on here twice. All right. Do number three. Oh, this guy. He's fucking. Do number three, but is number 12.

do number three that number 12 start the clock all right at six for three two hundred twenty six pounds he played the position of quarterback oh he was drafted in the first round of the nineteen eighty three nymphal draft so jules you were negative one years old and i was negative six negative three oh yeah negative three yeah you're no i thought you're 84 86 i got confused with when uh terry retired he started his pro career in the u sFL before moving to the nfl where led the team to four consecutive Super Bowl appearances in the early 1990s. Oh, I know who it is. I know who it is too.

I'm looking at it, but this is my hometown team, Jules. He's known for his toughness and leadership. He threw for over 35,000 career yards and 237 touchdown. Woo! That's spectacular right there. He's pioneering the no huddle offense. That's what he's known for. Hanling from Pennsylvania, he was a standout, the university.

of Miami before his professional career. Off the field, he's known for his resilience, especially in his battles against cancer and his work with his own charity. Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you from my hometown. He's not from my hometown, but he played for my hometown team. Jim Kelly, ladies and gentlemen,

one of the best quarterbacks in Buffalo Bill's history, if not the best quarterback, Jim Kelly. throwback back in the day, no doubt about that, went to four Super Bowls. Unfortunately, didn't win any, but he did so many great things for the city of Buffalo. He still talked about to this day. He's so beloved in Buffalo,

everything that he'd done for Buffalo, you know, you can't thank him enough. Julian, what do you think of Jim Kelly when you hear his name? Let's get on Jim Kelly. What do I think about? Honestly, I get sad. I get sad about when I think of Jim Kelly because he had such an amazing career,

and he got to the Super Bowl four times in a row, and he never got to feel what winning the Super Bowl feels like. And this game is tough, and we've had a lot of success, but there's a lot of guys that have never felt that success. And that, you know, through their numbers and through how they played, you wish that they would have had an opportunity to feel that. I also think about like what the fuck is in Pennsylvania because they always had really Joe Montana

Dan Marino Jim Kelly and I used to love Joe and I love I love Dan and I love Jim Kelly and they all are from like right next to each well let me tell you this Joe's I played my senior year in high school in Pennsylvania I know in Pittsburgh and let me tell you that's some of the best football in America it's underrated I'm telling you in the Western Pennsylvania football

is through the roof. I mean, we're getting 14, 15,000 people a game. We had 11 NFL players from my high school. Woodland Hills High School, the Woodland Hills Wolverines. We had 11 guys in the NFL my second year, the most out of any high school in all of America. And then on top of it,

I mean, there's guys left and right. Doreal Revis, Aaron, Darno, Dan Marino, obviously, Central Catholic. You can name a list of guys, probably about 50 to 100 guys that are in the NFL that just played in that area. I'm telling you, Pennsylvania football in high school is underrated. It's just, it's up there with Florida and Texas in California, that's for sure. And he's a big part of it, you know, being a guy that had as much success as Jim Kelly had. I mean, the K-gun offense is like what us young guys don't know about and even the younger generation.

We're so accustomed to seeing no huddle. We're so accustomed to seeing empty sets. Jim Kelly and these Buffalo Bills were the innovators of that. They would get to that line of scrimmage. I mean, they had a, I think they had like a, I remember what we talked about with Ernie. What kind of many points did they have when they beat them in the Giants? It was special to Ernie that they beat the greatest show on turf,

the Buffalo Bills, because they were the two highest scoring offenses, and they hit these crazy high scores. score number. I don't know what that number is, but like, that's because of Jim Kelly. I mean, he used to dish that ball out. It just, you feel sad when you think about Jim Kelly, even though he'd be such a great player, but he, you know that he wanted to win a Super Bowl. He was one of the guys that innovated the quarterback position to where it is now. You know, he was setting the standard of the passing game along with a lot of a lot of great guys. I mean,

it started with Terry Brouch, obviously, but to bring the passing game to another level, that's what Jim Kelly did, you know, being a pioneer of that. And also he was the pioneer of the no huddle offense. And I actually just went, you know, thanks for, you know, asking me about it, Jules, how good of a time it was and how special it was about me going into the Buffalo Hall of Fame. How is going to the Buffalo Hall of Fame? Thank you, Jules.

I appreciate that. Where is that? I've been waiting for that for a couple days now. Wait, you just went into the Buffalo Hall of? Yeah, last month I went in, Jules. Yes, yes. It was a special honor, man. You know, you can't forget, you can't forget where your home roots came from.

you know where that mentality started where that grit and grind you know was was built rudy's blue cheese is out rudy's blue cheese you know everyone you got to only have blue cheese when you're buffalo if you say ranch oh they're going to give you that stink guy and they're going to throw you out of their restaurant if you order ranch over blue cheese and buffalo well let me tell you man so i went in the hall of fame the buffalo hall of fame with vic carucci as well um vic carucci an NFL senior writer for you know how many years i think million 40 50 50, 60 years. We'll just say 100 years for Vic Crucci because he's that legendary.

He's wrote that many books and that many articles about so many players and with so many organizations, the guy's a legend. So Jim Kelly made a video, you know, for the Buffalo Hall of Fame. Just congratulating Vic Carucci because Vic Carucci wrote a book, you know, with Jim Kelly. Yeah. And I've known Vic Carucci since I was in eighth grade. And I'll tell a little bit of story about that as well.

But in the video as well, you know, Jim Kelly, congratulated Vic Carucci. But at the same time, he gave me some very sentimental props as well and congratulated me and saying how well of an honor it is to, you know, watch my career develop, a guy from Buffalo, and all that good stuff and so and so. It was just really cool to, you know, have that moment of Jim Kelly just on the big screen, you know, the Buffalo's, you know, Buffalo's quarterback, hometown hero for, when I was just a kid to congratulate me

for going into the Buffalo Hall of Fame. So that was just a really cool moment by you know, by Jim Kelly to do that. Not just congratulating Vic Carucci, but also being able, you know, congratulating me, which was really cool. It meant a lot, man. That's got to be, I mean, that was your childhood hero.

That's like going into the San Francisco Hall of Fame and Joe Montana. That would be insane. So what did he say about Jim Kelly? There we go. That's what I'm talking about. Well, first off, Vic Carucci was cool. when I was in eighth grade,

Vic Carucci's daughter was actually my age as well. I was friends with her. She was friends with my friends. And I went over to their house. And I saw Vic Crucci in eighth grade. I knew he was an NFL right. And I looked at him in the eye. And I said, one day you're going to be writing about me.

And he goes, get out of here, kid. You're just crazy. I go, no, you're going to be writing about me. And still to this day, he tells that story, how unbelievable it was that I was just a kid and told him he would be writing about me. me and then I made it happen. So it was just a special moment to go into the Buffalo Hall of Fame with Vic

Curucci, one of the best NFL writers of all time. I love the guy. But yes, then we talked, you know, Jim Kelly's stories, obviously. And a couple stood out to me. First off, he wrote a book with Jim Kelly. I mean, everyone loves Jim Kelly. Vic Crucci only has great things to say about Jim Kelly. Everyone does.

I mean, he was great for the city of Buffalo. So they would always get together. And it was always, hey, you know, you. You bring dinner one night. You bring dinner one night because you're writing a book. It takes a while, Jules. Long time. It takes a long time.

You wrote a memoir. You wrote a memoir. I mean, we're all in the New York best selling list here. Thank you. We are. Top 10 seller right here in the New York list. How about you?

I think we're there. And I got some children books. So Vick. Trilogy flying high. Vic, we're in your category as well. We're, you know,

we're cool like you. We can write. I mean, we got top seller's books. Top seller? Yeah. Wouldn't say right, but we could.

Yeah. We just told him the story. Yeah, people wrote it. Someone wrote it. Sounds good still. Sounds good. All right. So Vic Cruci kept bringing Chinese food over to him.

And he started noticing, like, after he ate the Chinese food, Jim Kelly, he would start falling asleep. So Chinese food was making him sleep. MSG. And he's sitting there like, yo, Jim, wake up. And he started noticing that he got to stop bringing Chinese food to Jim Kelly's house to eat dinner with while he's trying to, you know, write a book with him. Hey. That's a classic funny story. So then instead he learned that Jim Kelly loves hunting.

He loves venison. And instead of bringing Chinese food over, he would just try to bring meats over. And he says that Jim Kelly by far has the best venison meat of all times. He knows how to make it non-gamy. Yeah. The way that he cooks in all the sauces that he uses, which is really cool, man,

because who does not, you know, like a nice piece of protein? What's a, what's a food that gives you a, a food coma. Like if you were to, if I were to try to write a book with Rob and I was like, and I want to bring over some food to make you like Jim Kelly fall asleep, what would it be? That's a good question. I would say chicken parm with pink vodka sauce and a lot and a lot of pasta on the side with it.

That's just, that's just knocked me out. Bye, bye. Bye. After 30 minutes, I'll be like this. Oh, I'm just so relaxed. I can't move. just put a movie on just done doneza pasta pasta will do it no what chicken parm but extra pink vodka sauce but it's so good and then also like five appetizers and then also like uh like a nice dessert

too like a milkshake a milk what kind of milkshake orio orio milkshake so vic carucci he was a writer for the buffalo bills and you saw that run by um josh allen just you know a couple couple weeks ago versus the Kansas City Chiefs, where he sealed the deal with two minutes left, and they beat the Kansas Chiefs who were undefeated this year and gave him their first loss. So I was just talking to Vic,

and he goes, one play that will always stick out to me. You see that Josh Allen run? Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, Vic, I did. He goes, yeah, Jim Kelly did one very similar. It was a division game. You know, a lot was on the line. They were in Miami, playing Miami,

and he just tucked the ball. with a couple minutes left in the game. And no one could stop him, and he brought it to the house. And everyone was shocked. Like, whoa, what was that? What was that? It was one of the best plays in Jim Kelly's, you know, story career. And it got everyone going.

So Vicks in the locker room after that. And he goes up to Ray Bentley. Ray Bentley is a defensive player, a funny guy, you know. Maybe you never heard of him, but he was on the Buffalo Bills. And he goes, hey, Ray, what did you think about that run by Jim Kelly? You want to know his answer? Vic never wrote this in the paper. Let's see.

What do he say? Ray Bentley told Vic Carruci. What do he say? That Jim Kelly could fill up a dump truck. Oh, you know what, Joel, some vanilla type of frosting. Because his balls were so big. And he tucked it. And he ran for that touchdown.

Oh, my, those are large balls. That's, once again, we got to do it. We got to get a tip jar on. we talk about a genital of a man and we're going to donate it to a charity. Every time we talk about a ball or a D. And you want to know what he said? He asked Jim Kelly about that play

and how great it was and everything. You want to know something? Jim Kelly goes, oh my gosh, I hated that play. Like, I hated the ending to it because he scored and then the whole entire team came and jumped on him.

Oh, my God. And he thought he was going to get suffocated at the bottom of the pile. Has that ever happened to you before? Yeah. I hated being at the bottom of the pile. Oh. Like you have to like, when you're at the bottom of the pile,

sometimes in it's a huge pile, you'll hear a couple screams. You'd be like, ah, get up. Especially when you're like a younger kid, when you're a man is different. But I remember being as a kid, you had to like pull and bite and scratch and get everything to just get people to move because you're suffocating. Did you ever get under the pile? I never like being at the bottom of the pile.

Never. You thought as a kid it was like the coolest thing. to be at the bottom of a dog pile and then you really notice after you bent through that experience that it was the worst possible situation to ever be in and then people are tugging at your ankles there's a couple people taking cheap shots of when you're going to naz you know trying to twist your ankle give you a charlie horse poke you in the eye just so much dirty things go down at the bottom of the pile you never want to be involved you never want to be a part of that never and we we would be

crazy not to also talk about this man as a two-time cancer beater. That's a tough thing, and we've all seen the documents, and we've seen a lot of the footage of him being sick and to have the toughness to go through that and continue and build the charity that he built for. I believe it's, was it, throat and jaw cancer? You got to be a tough guy.

He beat it twice. You know, this guy's been fighting a lot. his whole career and it's suiting for him to be a buffalo guy because he's just a tough guy. That's totally true. And just talking to Vic as well, he was just always so passionate in everything that he did. And then also with what his son went through and, you know, he started his own charity, you know, and all that. He just made sure that the money went to, you know, the best, possible scenarios to help out other people out there. And he was passionate about

being involved in his charity. He was passionate about, you know, where the money went to so, you know, other kids you know, could be able to, you know, fight, you know, and have the money to be able to have the treatments that they needed to fight through. And it's just tough, man. He set the standard of what

the city of Buffalo met. Yeah. And that's toughness. That's being blue collar. That's having grit. That's never giving up. And that's what Jim Kelly represents as well throughout his whole life on the field and off the field. So much props to him. And on top of it, I talked to Vic too about, you know, how he invented the no huddle offense. And he told me that his brain processes so quickly on the field that it helped him perfect the no huddle offense and how fast he was and his demeanor and personality of just

calculating a play and what he should do next on the field is what made him the player and what made him invent the no-huddle offense and what made the Buffalo bills so great and it was because of that on the offensive side of the ball and they said it was Jim Kelly's team when Jim Kelly was on the field you know he demanded that presence he demanded that respect and the same thing went on in the meeting rooms it was Jim Kelly's team and everyone knew that and that's special that just shows his leadership that just shows his leadership that just shows how much the players respect to him as well on the field off the field on you know on game day in the meetings all that good stuff and you know that's why he's definitely one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and definitely I want to

say the greatest Buffalo bill quarterback of all time but the thing is Josh Allen is playing right now I just so how do I put that that Jim Kelly's the greatest quarterback that ever played for the bills that is currently not playing yet i think that that works i think that works that works well because jim i mean obviously josh allen is just such a beast but for everything that jim kelly did for kids in the city of buffalo that everything kelly for kids foundation that he did as well to represent the city of buffalo we thank you jim uh for for all that man you know you made us stronger you made us believe uh and just just thank you man that's all Last question before we get to what kind of dude, Jim Kelly is.

If the Buffalo Bills go out and win a Super Bowl, Josh Allen, does Jim Kelly get a ring? I mean. I feel like he does. He probably, no? Does he deserve a ring? No, does he want it? I would say no. He's a competitor, man.

As a competitor, you don't want a freebie. You don't want a freebie. You know, it is sad, though, those four Super Bowl victories, especially when we were watching his highlight film and and just seeing that. I mean, he was precise. Good thing I was young because I didn't really have, you know, I was like four years old when they went to those four Super Bowl. So like you don't know what's going on.

So I didn't feel that pain. But I mean, does he get a Super Bowl ring if the Buffalo bills when the, I would say no. It's not like he's part of the organization right now. Yeah. From what I know, I mean, he's a huge icon in the city of Buffalo, but it's a whole different era. It's a whole different team.

So I'll go with no. All right. What kind of dude is Jim Kelly? I mean, he's a stud. I remember seeing him with all those fur coats and stuff coming from Miami-U. He's probably, he's clearly a whiz because he's, without Jim Kelly, there would be no Peyton Manning. There would be no, you know, NASCAR.

car offense with us with Tom Brady. I mean, no huddle was was pretty much invented through Jim Kelly in that K-gun offense with those early 90 bills, late 80 bills. So he's definitely a whiz. He's clearly a dude because, I mean, unfortunately he had, you know, throat cancer, but that's from throwing a, probably a chewing with all the boys at the fucking locker room. You know, that's what he was doing. He was sitting there with the chai and, uh, Yeah, but that's fine. You're just being a dude. Yeah.

Like, but I mean. But he's also, what do you think he is? Man. I think. Oh. To have the mental, physical toughness to overcome cancer after losing four Super Bowls, mind you. Like, you know how you. You got to be a lot of people.

So be. And that's what he is. He's a tough ass OB. And that's a dog. you're right that is a dog and a dog doesn't always win either dogs don't always win no they don't man but they'll bite your fucking kneecap on the way out when you lost exactly and they'll keep on going they don't care they don't care one two three dog we'll be right back after this quick break here we go hey i'm kelpen and on my new podcast here we go again will

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with my son. My son is a dog. I had him. I birthed him. It was in my stomach. Camille and I always fight about who gave birth to him

and I gave birth to him. Wait. Like Junior, the movie, Junior with fucking Schwarzenegger, you were pregnant? Exactly.

Just like that. So I'm thankful for my dog, Ralphie. He's a good pup. I haven't seen him in a couple days. I miss him. But I'm thankful for him. him man for just him being a good boy i got a real daughter i'm not throwing rocky number one i got

to be thankful for lily number two for you i'm thankful for my health man especially my right ear because my left ear is hurting right now so it's making me really thankful that i could still hear out of the right one and it makes you appreciate your health i'm appreciative of not just my health but you know i'm relatively every one of my family's healthy that that's something i'm thankful for family health my health what do you think for what else i'm thankful for you know my past and that's my career and everyone that gave me advice and helped me get to where i got to in my career all right number three now i'm thankful for rocky i'll throw rocky in there now family health lily now rocky's part of the family rocky three number four i'm thankful for rocky i'm thankful for rocky i'll throw rocky in there now

Number four, I'm thankful for my family. I mean, without my family, I wouldn't be where I am. And I'm thankful for their health and, you know, their passion and their support. Number four, I'm thankful to be a patriot, to be part of the Patriot organization. That was, that was an incredible experience. And wouldn't be here with you. Wouldn't have a podcast. Wouldn't have anything if, you know, I wasn't a Patriot.

I'm going to say for number five for me, I'm thankful. I just had it. I want to be precise with it. Now I forgot it because you started making me reminisce about my Patriot career too, you really did. I started thinking about mine like, oh, that's a good one. But I'm thankful for all my friends out there. You know, friends bring good times.

like you, Jules, you're in this category. Friends bring laughter. Friends bring hardships, you know, and turn them into joy. So thankful for all my friends. That's awesome. I'm thankful for all the adversity and the failures and the times I've messed up

or made a mistake because that's honestly when you get your real growth is when you can sit and look at those things and really reflect on it and try to improve. That's what I'm thankful. Wow. I really like that one. That's the truth, everything you just said. Number six for me, I'm thankful for holidays, especially when I was a kid. It would give you time off of school.

It brings families together. It brings wonderful meals together as well. So holidays, man, I'm thankful for all of them. Thanksgiving, Christmas. And just whatever holiday there is now, there's like 100 of them. And then my last, because 6U, 6 me equals 12, math guy. 6 plus 6. I got two because I'm thankful with my friends and the support system that I have. But I'm also thankful for, I'm thankful for friends and burgers.

Because they're kind of, I like to eat. burgers with my friends and family. And to really... But I like burgers. I'm thankful for burgers and friends. All right. You're gonna just leave... I put...

I probably should have... You're gonna leave out fries? Yeah, dude. I'd rather have a burger without... I'd rather have two burgers. Good point. If you're gonna take on the carbs, you might as well take it on with the burger.

With the bread. That's why I'm going with two burgers instead of the fries. Can you just... Can you just... make the bun with fries instead. So then you have fries and meat and no bread. You know what you really could do, Rob? You really could.

I've seen some shit like this. You get a waffle maker. You get a bunch of McDonald's fries. You cut them up and you kind of, you make a hash. You put them in the waffle maker and you make, you can make like a waffle bun and then make a burger and put it on the fry,

Waffle BUN. I just thought of that because I've seen some shit like that on Tick-Tock, Instagram, whatever we fucking watch food shit on. That's like half my popular page. So we could do that. Well, and to enhance this little... I'm thankful for you too, Rob. Thank you.

Thank you. But that's kind of in the to be a patriot. Yeah, yeah. Like, because I was a patriot. Yeah. You were thankful to be a patriot. Yeah. I'm thankful for Tom.

Yeah. But you're thankful for him. It's to be a patriot. Yeah. Thank you for... Does Tom get his own... Does he get his own fucking number? No.

No, he doesn't. We already talked about him. Stop bringing him up. It's not 12 days. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and I got a, you know, I can't forget about Camille, but I'm going to put that in the family category as well. She's family.

I mean, I can't sit there and think my mom, my dad, this brother, that brother. We'd be here for the next 12 hours. But obviously Camille is in the family list as well. Baby, I love you. I'm thankful for you. We know that. I'm sorry that Ralphie's number one, but you would put Ralphie number one as well.

I mean, you got to always put the kid first, right, right, Joel? Hey, that's true. But to enhance this little, you know, thankful moment, you know, and there's,

you know, 12 total, six for me, six for you, but I think we should do a 12th of a fraction as well. And we should be thankful for our team. Definitely. Our dudes on dudes team,

Jules. So we're thankful for, team that we have and that's 12.2 no 12.12. 12.12 thankfuls now. So 12 thankfuls in a 12th of a fraction. I think I'm saying it right. I think you're fully a 12th of a hundredth. So it's a 12.12 thankful day and we're thankful for the whole entire dudes on dudes team for putting this all together. So we can be up here talking dudes on dudes and talking math equations and just having a good time. And just talking thankfulness. This is people thanking people. people. Okay. Take a second out there and go thank some people. You know, do some good.

I like when Pat McAfee says that on his show. What does he say? Go tell someone, say something, something nice to someone you love. It's, I think he ends his show with that. That's a good, that's a cool thing. And that's been another episode of dudes on dudes. What can we do better, Rob? There's a lot that we could do better, Jules. You know, maybe. tell my story is a little bit better, you know, instead of... No. I know, you're right. There's nothing. I'm just trying to pinpoint something. I mean, I knew it was great storytelling already, but I just wanted to take it to another level. I think we could, we could tighten it up on our times. We could tighten it up on our times a little.

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