Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Dawgs: Mega Episode

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

This week it's all about Dawgs! That's right every Dawg we've done thus far in one mega form episode. We're talking Terry Bradshaw's toughness, Tom Brady's intense drive, Travis Kelce's swag, and all things Dawg. We have a very special edition of The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And thank you to the other Boston teams, the Celtics Red Sox. We always had a great relationship, the Bruins. I mean, I feel like... It's a family affair. I feel like I'm part of it now, man. That's like freaking, that's like one of the most honorable cities. To be a sports guy. Title Town, man.

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We put together all the dogs we've done so far in one place for you guys. On this episode, we're talking the toughness of Terry freaking Bradshaw. When you watch guys back in those days play, it looks like it's illegal. Taking guys down by their face masks, spitting on a guy when he's down. Tom Brady's intense drive. Oh, you want to take a break? Hey, man, I'm telling you, your mind will let you go farther. Let's go.

Four more routes. Let's go. You got to be able to be on the same page with me. The swagginess of Travis Kelsey. And all of a sudden, Killetraff shows up, and we're having a dance off on the stage. He can dance. And he can dance.

And a whole lot more dog talk. Woo! Hoof! Hoo! Hoo! And we're naming the chillest dude of the week presented by Coors Light. Let's get into it. Dudes on Dudes is a production of IHeart Radio. Let's get into the chillest dude of the week brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes.

And remember, celebrate responsibly. Hey, I got a butt in here real quick. Whoa, what, Jack on dudes on dudes? What's up, baby? What's going on here? For the chillest dude of the week, I got to honor my dog, our dog, you Jules. Julian Edelman is our chillest dude of the week. Congrats on making the Patriots Hall of Fame. Get that man a red jacket.

Rocky, come here. And what are we doing for this, Jack? The mountains are blue and the jacket is red, baby. We are going to pool together. We have pulled some awesome voicemails. They're already rolling in the congratulatory voicemails. We pulled some awesome comments People have left all across our socials

We just want to highlight those Because it was a fan vote It was a fan vote And the fans came out to support We got to celebrate the fans Celebrate you And just use this as a A time to really

Say thanks to the fans And honor you, brother Nobody Chiller J.E11's a Hall of Fame Let's go That's a Boston guy Who's a bossing guy The people

That's right Short and sweet. Is anybody else getting this ceiling, this urge to just run through a brick wall right now? Anybody? I know I was when I got that, when I saw that call to Frank, man. Run through a brick wall, it's kind of what I used to do. That's what I've envisioned when I would run through the tunnel. I love that.

It was a brick wall. I'm running through a fucking brick wall. wall warming it up is that why you went out first so your guys could come after tom always went out for the first 20 yards and then i would pass then i would pass you know jet's got to turn on the engines

get the engines going big old tugboats just got to mr j e 11 a first ballot your england page is all the famous i'm so proud of you julian you deserve it you deserve the best love you man let's go

My guy. These guys are fired up. I love it. Hi, Julian, Jack and Kyler. This is Dan. Yes, that Jan. I just heard a little while ago that you got elected to the hall, Julian. And I know you're going to get thousands of calls and thousands of messages, but regardless, I just wanted to call and say congratulations. I'm so happy for you.

I love you, Bub, congratulations. We appreciate you, Jan. You've been there from day one. Anytime we had anything public, Jan's there supporting. Shout out. Pop-up shops, autograph signings, charitable events.

Jan's been there, so we appreciate you, Jan. Jan's been in our live chats, too, for majority of these episodes. So we love the day ones, man. Did anyone, anyone interesting or cool reach out? A lot of old teammates. You know, which is awesome. Text, phone calls, everything?

Text, DMs. Anyone from just out of left field? Not really. I haven't changed my number too much. Big time, big time. What a flex. I was hoping there was like someone that, like, you were like, whoa, like, Josh Demel texted me?

You just, no. We pulled some, from all across our socials, we pulled some notable comments. The praise was rolling in. First, we got friend of the show, Camille Kostick, with an LFG squirrel emoji football. Camille's showing love. We love Camille. Max Cassidy 12 on Instagram. I like this one.

Everyone pack a lip for Jules today. You got to pack a lip. Got to, bro. A celebratory lip. Transformers official. Optimus Prime, bro. The Autobots salute you. Mr. Edelman,

congrats, you are more than meets the eye. Eight-year-old me would have fucking, like, been, like, trying to get a boner over that. Didn't know what a boner was yet. Trying to get a... The decepticons wanted Adam Vinatari to get in. As usual, they took an hell. Oh, my God.

The Patriots official, congrats, Jules. Our main man, Sam Marell, well deserved. Sammy, we love you, brother. Heck yes. All these guys text me, too. Are the Knicks going to meet the Celtics? Oh, God. Don't, I know.

Sammy's probably going ham right now. This is the one time of the year I don't love Sam right now. Sam is going hard for those Knicks. He loves it. He loves them. He's been talking about five years. I know. Bronson's the truth.

All right, buddy. He's pretty good. I still love Sammy. Not right now. A few. I mean, what did the Celtics miss? 47 threes? Yeah, we miss like 15 of 60 in that drought.

Holy shit. They'll make some of those next time. Yeah, they're going in, bro. It's a make or miss league. We got Gronk, our main man, Rob E.G. Well, deserved, Bubbs, congrats. Can't wait to be there. You know Rob will be there with you.

Yeah, Rob, so Rob text me. Let me get this real quick. Hello, Bubbs. New text. Congrats, bro. It was a new, no-brainer. New text. See you Sunday.

New text. When's the date for the induction? Hello, Bubbs. I sent him a voice. man. He's so funny. Rob asking all the important questions. Yeah. See, he's on it. When's the adduction?

Congrats. No brighter. With the first text, hello, bubs. And then like four minutes later was congrats. Who's just sitting there trying to spell congratulations? Oh. Get out of here.

Robbie G's such a busy man. He might already be booked up on that day. He's opening up the El Paso. Joe Anne's Fabric. No, there's a gronk. in Bali that week. He's going for two days. Maybe we should go to that. I'd be down

for that. Carl goes across the world for like two days. He went to Australia for like two days. Met a horse named after him. Dipped, did a couple appearances out. Two days in Australia. That's more in a plane. Crazy. Christ. This man is wild. We got a we're not just scouring the social verse.

We got text coming in. Just when you think there's nothing else, he's done everything. There's something else. So stinking proud. That's for Angie. Mama Edelman. We love you, Ange. She's a huge part of it. She's goaded, man. And then, I mean, we got stories on stories. Tom Brady says

legend. Congrats, bubs. It was coming in from everybody. And then he's a little bit of a minute in the comment section. I remember one time. I remember one time with me and Tom. It was like my, almost like I made it moment. I think we're going for like our it's like 2017. We just won our second Super Bowl.

warming up and we were we were like feeling like we were just in the sink it's before i got hurt and he goes man you could be like little messy out here you keep on bawling that was something that i'll never met or never forget tom saying he goes man you're like little messy out here wow wow you know i was like what he's like he's just i don't know if he's just pumping my confidence he had a big game it worked it worked he worked he's right he's right i was like the coolest thing he ever said to me Messy 5-7. I know, but like in the football world, dickhead. Footwork, baby.

Ora. She's pumping my tires. I love it. And I was, I'd be remissed if I didn't mention. You gotta get the best out of his guys. We love you, Tommy. As soon as I rode by fucking messy. Oh, man.

Games with names, commenter, frequent comment section appear. More like rabble rouser. A little rascal in there. Rob Ninkovich. Congrats brother. Love you. No hate? No hate this time. We deleted it up for the hate. The hate response.

It was very odd to see him actually giving some genuine praise. Cody Hollister. Worked his balls off. Pretty awesome, man. Ken State's been very happy and proud. Jack Test hit me up. He was a kid that played for the U.S. 7s teams that we grew up in the same area. I haven't talked to him in a while.

There's some people. I don't know how you get my number? probably fucking Ebner Edna oh Donnie Walberg Donnie Walberg bro He says NFL

Hall of Fame next up That's a salute Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh Oh oh oh oh oh The right stuff First time was a freedom Second time was a man Hey we should get Donnie Wahlberg on one of our pods

We gotta get him on here dude He's a freaking diehard Let's do it Ken State of course showing love everywhere Like Josh Cribs Cribs bro Nick Bro

You got to get him on Got a yeti. Cribee. Cribby. Everybody, bro. Logan Ryan, man, we used to battle a lot. He got me better because he was so on top of his game and he knew the game so well. You had to run and get around on him every day of practice.

We battled a bunch. Intercepted Tom's last pass as a Patriot? Arm was my guy. Fletch. Look at the young Fletch. Dola. Dola gave you an infeed post. Did he?

That's special guy. Prime real estate. Jojo. Gotta love Jojo. Freaking. Boldin. I say get the ox ready, dog. I say get it ready

because I know you'd be bumping the good shit. BB Hulk smash. BB Hulk smash. Heck yeah. Awesome. Congratulations. That was fun. That was fun.

Proud of you, brother. And that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light. Get Coorslight delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslite.com slash dudes. And celebrate responsibly. It was our first scariest dude. of all scariest dudes.

Our first guess that we'll be talking about on the Halloween edition of dudes on dudes, scary motherfuckers, I mean, scary guys. We'll start with former teammate of mine on inside the NFL, Ray Lewis, scary, SOB. Let's see what AI has to say about him.

All right, we got some dude synopsis here. Scariest dude, number one, is Ray Lewis. Let's see what AI has to say. What's AI got to say? Ray Lewis is rightly regarded. Ray Lewis is widely regarded as one of the greatest middle linebackers in NFL history, known for his intense playing style and leadership on the field. And off the field, he overcame personal challenges and became a motivational figure.

Often speaking about discipline and perseverance. Lewis had significant impact on the Baltimore Ravens, leading them to two Super Bowl victories and earning the Super Bowl MVP in 2001. Wow. Wow. I was 12 years old in 2001. Jules, how old were you about? 15, 14, 15.

Notably, he is the only player in NFL history with over 40 career sacks and 30 interceptions. Instinctive. Additionally, he was a 12-time pro bowler and a two-time NFL defensive player of the year. Ray Lewis for you, ladies and gentlemen, brought to you by AI. I think AI is pretty right. I worked with Ray as soon as I retired on Inside the NFL. And in those pre-production meetings, he would speak. And I felt like I wanted to run through a goddamn brick wall every time he would speak.

He sounded like a pastor with the mix of craziness and a mix of a gladiator quote. Ray, don't think I don't know where your quotes come from. We went to Rome together, and I figured out that all of, raise motivational quotes come from the movie The Gladiator. It was crazy. I remember playing him. He knocked me out of game first off. What game was that? And what year was that he knocked you out of the game? It was remember when Deon Branch came back for the first game back? So about, was it 2013? Your fourth year or my third year? This was like 2012. 11 or 12? Yeah. Oh, it was 2011. Deon Branch came back on the team. On the team when we went to the Super Bowl.

Yes, yes. 2010, my rookie year, Randy Moss was traded after the fourth game of the season. And then we trade for... We traded back for Deanne Branch, right, that year? So it was my rookie year. It was your rookie year. Yes, 2010, the same season that Randy Moss got traded. Yeah. And he hit me on under in the red area. And I remember Helodinata, like picking me up and saying, hey, buddy, your side lines that way. That was at Gillette Stadium.

At Gillette. Yes. And it was 2000. 2010. 2010. Yes, it was. He lit me up. And then the year before, this is my second year in the league, year before in the playoffs, he scored on a scramble in the red area.

Tom darted it to me. I caught it and I got a touchdown. And Ray was right behind me and he need me so hard in my left butt cheek that like I got a crazy hematoma. And I looked like I had J-Lo booty on. Like my butt was just, I had one big butt. It was so fucking crazy. If we would have, we got smoked that game, but I wouldn't have been able to play the next week because I had like internal bleeding. It was fucking nuts.

So that dude has scared the shit out of me. What do you think about? First off, AI hit it, hit it on point. But they didn't, you know, talk about all his characteristics that he brings to the table as well. Yes, great motivational speaker. Great player. You know, all the accolades, two-time Super Bowl champion, whatever, 12-time Pro Bowl. But they didn't talk about the character.

characteristics that makes him himself. Vicious out in the field. Vicious. Absolutely vicious. Intimidating. 100%. I would put my hand down and I was already scared of Ray Lewis when he was lined up in front of me. When you're scared of a player, you're kind of already beat as well.

That's how intimidating he was just the nature of just the way he carried himself, the energy that he brought to the table. You did not want to mess with Ray Lewis. No doubt, no answer, ifs, or buts about that. Now, he was not just scary, but he was also, like, one of the smartest football players you fucking played. Very intellectual. Like, I remember we'd be in a three-by-one, like a trips formation, and he'd be sitting there calling out, like,

I watch this hook, watch this hook. Like, he'd be calling our plays, and he would, I remember talking to him when we worked together, and he would study all of our TV copies so he could hear Tom signals. He could hear all the line front signals. So anytime we would play the Ravens with Ray, we kind of knew that he knew everything. We had to change everything because he was such a smart, hardworking guy that did anything it took to fucking go out and win a game.

If that meant sitting watching five hours of all the TV copies to just to get one little signal from something, that's what Ray Lewis was doing. And he was just, he was fucking like, we look at middle linebackers now. Middle linebackers are 225, 230 pounds. Ray Lewis was sideline to sideline 250. 250, doing war dances before the game, getting the whole city of Baltimore, some light. I mean, he was their first, first pick of that franchise. Like, he set the stage for what Baltimore has become, you know, like what he said in his

things, known for defense. tough team. You know, it's carried out throughout, you know, Harba. Harbaugh inherited him. Rose it to what it is now, but there are a tough fucking team. And Ray Lewis was like the war daddy of the war dabbies. And he was the definition of a linebacker in the NFL in the decade of the 2000 era. No doubt about that.

You big, strong, intimidating, fast, took no shit at all. No. He was the defensive captain. He was the guy in the huddle that got everyone. you know, in the right spots where they needed to be. He was the one that was calling every single defensive player. He was the absolute definition of a Mike linebacker, of a middle linebacker. Mike Linebacker is just a name for the middle linebacker for all you people out there.

So Mike Linebacker, middle linebacker, same exact thing, MLB, but he was the definition. He was the standard of strength, of speed, of agility, of a middle linebacker. Instinctiveness. And how to instinctiveness, intellectual. just how smart he was, the ability to know what plays were being called, and how to fill a gap as well. That mother effort, that mother effort knew how to fill a gap and blow a gap up better than any linebacker in the history of the game. And he set the example to all young guys, all players, all defensive players in high school and college on how to play the linebacker position in the game of football.

There's no doubt about that. that was mean, aggressive. What else is there, Julian? Fucking instinctive. Yes. Just all of it. And once again, I got to experience. I got to be on a team, you know, with Ray.

And the way he motivated guys, like his stories and like how he would, you have to, like, he told me once we're doing inside the NFL, he goes, you got to win the crowd to win your freedom. I'm like, Ray, we're talking about football. We're not in a goddamn We're not at the Coliseum right now Okay, like I want to run through the wall But we're not hitting nobody Just who he was, Jules

Yes, I is crazy He would he would say something And I couldn't understand anything But I got the point Like he would say something I'm like Fuck yeah I don't

Let's let's have the best fucking show Let's have the show Ray! Like that's how Ray was You know We went and did this convention over in Croatia together. And so I was like, Ray, let's, you want to go to Rome after with me? And so me and Ray went to Rome and watch him go. We went to the Coliseum for a day.

And it was like watching a kid walk into a candy shop when he saw that Coliseum. Like you could tell that it was like ingrained in him. He was like, this is where the men that. I am used to perform in the day of age of them. He said something like that to me. I'm like, Ray, you. What? In one of his past lies, I bet you he was a gladiator.

Oh, 100%. Fighting in the Coliseum at Roar. 100%. Yes. He, I saw, he literally had a single tear when he walked and he saw just how grand and old and how he was, you could see him using his imagination for all the freaking fans and stuff and guys ripping each other's goddamn heads off, and he loved it.

Wait a second. Do you think he was one of the gladiators back in the day, or was he one of those lions? No, he was in the Coliseum. He was. What was he both? He was Lionheart. Lionheart, but a gladiator?

Yeah, Lionheart. Lionheart, like Van Dam. Can't disagree with that. You ever been covered by him? I've been covered by him a few times. I mean, obviously his game was stopping the run. but he was very smart in the zone coverage as well. A hell of picks.

Yes, a lot of picks. I mean, what, he has, what, 30 interceptions and over 50 sacks? What was that? Yeah, only person ever do it. The only one to ever do it. And, you know, he's just very athletic for his size too, man. His arms are just massive. It just looks like a guy out of like a magazine cover, you know,

just straight off a magazine front page cover right off the stands and just put on the football field. A mannequin. A mannequin of a gladiator. He was the definition of what a guy in a, Madden looks like, you know, when you're playing the game Madden, you know, he just got taken right out of the video game and put right on the field. But I got to clear up a little bit with Ray Lewis. I mean, the guy, you know, back end of his career when we were facing him, so we didn't really get the true Ray Lewis, just like all of us in the NFL. Oh, he lit me up.

Yeah, he definitely lit you up still. But when you're in your prime prime, you're moving people, no matter what the situation is. You're moving people. You're blowing up the holes, all that. So we didn't, I never got like leveled by Ray Lewis. I definitely felt his power. But here's a situation. I was running. This thing goes viral all over Instagram all the time where it's a clip of me running over Ray Lewis.

But let me get this clear out there. I didn't really like technically run over Ray Lewis. I mean, I did in the clip and people just take it out of context because, you know, on the film directly, like with, you know, you just take that three seconds of a clip. I am running over Ray Lewis. But here's the deal. Here's the situation.

It was a passing play. And I was on a route. He was dropping back in the coverage. And I was debating. I had an in-cut, 12-yard-in-cut. And I was debating because he was dropping back, you know, doing his thing,

making it hard on myself because, you know, he's very smart of a player, knows how to drop back and get you confused of where he's going. So then it kind of throws you off your route. So I'm like, do I go outside of him? because he's dropping out of my zone, out of the area where I got to run the 12 yard income,

or is he going inside? And I should go inside or should I go outside of him. You know what I'm trying to say to him? So I'm debating, and I'm kind of stiffed this game. You know, I'm just running straight and I'm debating. Should I go out? Should I go in? Should I go out?

Should I go in? And I'm running full speed at him, debating. And then boom, I just clashed right into him. So he wasn't really paying attention to me. And he was looking back at the quarterback. back, but when I clashed right into him on the passing route, he went flying backwards, and I ran him over. And then I, like, jumped up real quick and acted like I was wide open.

So, like, I didn't really run him over. Did you get a catch? No, I didn't get a catch either. So it was great coverage by him, actually, like, to the T, if you ask me. But it's a clip where I'm like, no, it's like just taking out of context. I will tell you when I ran someone over. That's how scary of a guy he is, is where Rob over here ran his ass over. Okay, I don't want to hear it, right?

He got ran over. No, I didn't run him. He was dropping back in coverage and I just ran my route through him. He's trying to justify running him over and did not make Ray mad at him. I don't want Ray mad at me. I can tell you that right now. But I was just running my route and it went through him and he was, you know, he was on his heels backing up, backpedaling. And using his space.

Yeah. He did go flying. But it was not like a run player or anything. If that was a run play and I blocked him like that, well, that's off to me. I would still go running. I would still run to the other side. because I'd still be scared of Ray Lewis. But I didn't technically run them over.

It was just a little mishap. And Jules, I got a question. When he did that, you know, the war dance running out of the tunnel, the Baltimore fans going crazy. Did you ever watch one of those war dances? Oh, every time? Or you, like, looking the other way? Like, coach, no, no, Bill, check. I'm not, I'm not watching it.

Why are you saying that? Yeah. Because that's what Bill used to say. Yeah. Don't be paying attention to what they're doing. Just worry about what you're doing. but Ray Lewis's war dance, you had a peek. Dude, that's how-

You had to. Coach Belichick would be a hit on a Ravens weekend. You'd always be like, look, we're going to be going to Baltimore. You're going to have Ray doing his goddamn fucking war dance. Like, just get your heads right. Get your heads right for the game. Don't we're all, you know, he's going to be doing that war dance. You know, he's referenced the war dance.

Wait, his war dance is called the squirrel dance. Ain't no squirrel doing that. Yeah, because, Jules, you're a squirrel. You ain't doing those type of dances. I never heard anyone even call it. No, that's a war dance. It was started by his friends in his hometown. They named it the squirrel dance because it had the whole town jumping.

I get it now. I know, but the squirrel dance, you're the squirrel. Yeah, and I don't see a squirrel looking that scary. No, squirrels are furry and cute. Kind and snugly. No. Ray looks like he wants to bite your face off. And do a war dance on your face after it's been bid off.

What about his visor? Fucking scary. This is oral overall. Ray Lewis is or I mean the visor, what the, you know, the little bands on his arms, all that. Just a scary player overall, scary. In that purple and black. That's just a mean looking team. It is.

All right. All right. Time. Let's determine what kind of duty is. All right. Ray Lewis. What kind of dude is Ray Lewis? Is he a freak?

Of course he's a freak. I mean, he definitely has freak of nature in him. I mean, he's gigantic. He's a definition of a middle linebacker. He's a whiz as well. He was so innovative for the sideline to sideline quarterback of the defense type linebacker. You know, that could be recency bias, but this is what we grew up on. He's a dude's dude as well.

I mean, positive attitude, the motivational speaking, getting everyone going, bringing everyone together. I mean, he's special, man. That's special just to have that, you know. know, in life is to just be able to motivate people and bring people together. And on top of it, just being that phenomenal of a football player, man. That's what really made him special. He had so many great characteristics that he brought to a team, not just being a good player. I think he's a dog.

He's relentless. He's motivated. He's physically and mentally tough. Dude, Torres tricep came back in a fucking, like, four weeks for the game. Like, he doesn't care if he has something hanging on by a thread. if it's a playoff game or if it's a AFC North divisional game or if it's a game against us,

you knew Ray Lewis was going to be out there doing his goddamn war dance before the game, getting the whole fucking crowd going crazy. You know, that's going to be what Ray does and he's a fucking dog. He's a dog. He is a dog. And any time you're a dog,

you get the job done. And he got the job done every single time he hit the field. Let's go to our next guy. I never messing with Ray. Hell no. I'm going to be best friends with him. And he would love the shit out of you. He's the best teammate ever.

Who's our next? Roberto. Our next scary is from one of the scariest eras of football where they didn't care if they were injured. No. They didn't have doctors to treat their broken ankles or broken legs. They just threw them back out there. This was the scariest times in the NFL. Concussions didn't matter.

That means if you're not. If you had stars, it meant that you were extra tough. And this guy is in that era. And he was one of the scariest ones in that era. Fucking scary. And I'm getting scared. It does look scary. Who do we got?

Who do we got? He looks like Halloween. We got Jack Lambert, ladies. O.M.G. Played for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Jack Harold Lambert. Jack Lambert. Golden Flash.

What's AI got to say about old Jack? Start the clock now. All right. Hit that clock. Jack Lambert was an intimidating and fierce linebacker, known for his aggressive playing style and toothless snarl. No teeth. Off the field, he was a private person who preferred a quiet life,

often retreating to his farm. Lambert had a profound impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer,

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earning the NFL defensive player of the year award in 1976. Notably, he recorded 28 career interceptions and was a key figure in the Steelers' dominant defense. You want to know what I loved about Jack Lambert? He wasn't the traditional size of a linebacker, especially back in the heyday. He was once again, a guy from Kent State University. No flashes. Was he drafted into the NFL? Yeah.

He was drafted. He was a fourth rounder. I know that he had, you know, not the ideal. 46 overall. He didn't have the ideal size going into NFL as well. I think he was 6'4, about 200, 210 pounds coming out of Kent State, and they wanted to put some balk on him. So he didn't really play, you know, at the size of all these other linebackers. And in the NFL at the time, I think he played about at like, what, 220?

220. 2.30. So 6.4, a linebacker at 6.4, that's kind of unheard of. usually they're shorter, more stocker, can fill the hole, can take on a lineman, can take on a fullback, can go side to side with the agility. But this guy, now, he was different. What, you know, that kind of was an advantage for him, you know, watching tape on him. I feel like he could see over the lineman because he was six, four. He could see what was developing in the backfield.

And when you can have that type of advantage and you can see what's going on in the backfield, you can see that short running back where he's going, where he's angling, that's an advantage. And Jack Lambert, use that on the defense. the side of the ball, making tackles. It was just ridiculous watching him play. What if you were lined up at tight end and Jack's the middle linebacker right here? And he looked at you and with his no teeth and he said, hey, Gronk, I'm going to eat your lunch. What would you do? I'd probably be wide open because I'm going to run full freaking speed away from him.

I'm running full speed. But at the same time, those are the guys that are hard to get open versus because I'm 6'6. That's my advantage is my height. and my size. But when you're 6'4, and yeah, he was smaller than everyone,

but dude. Long and lanky. Yeah, long and lanky, but he had that, like, hit stick. Yeah.

Like, it's kind of like, like a type of strength that is kind of not taught. That, like, some type of strength where you don't go in the weight room to get that size of strength.

Yes, he's six, four, just, you know, skinnier, more athletic than these other linebackers and other players in the NFL.

But he had that, you know, that pop. He had a pop in him. When you have that pop and that toughness, I mean, it doesn't matter what size you are. You can knock down anyone, even if they're 50 pounds bigger than you. He's also like an intimidation factor. You've seen the Super Bowl against the Cowboys where the guy, the kicker missed the fucking kick on the Steelers.

And the cowboy guy was heckling him. And fucking Jack Lambert grabbed him by the back of his thing and threw his ass down and say, hey, boy, shut the fuck up. Like that, it is crazy. I think the rep was right there. too scared to throw a damn penalty. Like, that's how scary of a guy he was. I mean, he's just, he's not like a big guy. He had a wide receiver built.

He had long, you know, skinny legs. Instinctive as fuck. Yes. I mean, you throw on his highlights. Yeah, he would blow up the one yard, or he'd blow up the goal line player, the short yardage play. But you saw him drop and he would always make these crazy.

He had a lot of interceptions too, I think. Like, he had a bunch. grew up a Browns fan, played for the Steelers. Big hitter. He was trash talker that backed it up. Probably one of the toughest guys on one of the toughest so-called defenses of all time. That steel curtain. You had mean Joe Green.

You had all these Jack Hamm. And then you have fucking Lambert over there who. A lot of these guys are scared of him. This guy had no front teeth. No front teeth. He looked like a hockey player. He was labeled as the scariest-looking player. in the NFL on top of being that scary on the field.

He's also... That's a double whammy. What about his nicknames? No, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, and Jack. Dracula and cleats? That's actually tight because he has their teeth. He kind of looks like a jackal lantern. He kind of looks like a jackalater.

He does, you know, in some pictures some way. And then that, look at the helmet that he's wearing the base mask. Yeah, with the bar. You got the bar right down the middle. The neck roll. He always, you saw him with the patent, 1970. these freaking hand and arm pads. You just see a guy like him giving a freaking clothesline to a quarterback and like

spitting on him afterwards. Like that's the kind of guy Jack Lambert was. He's, what did it say, J.T. Thomas? He's so mean he hates himself. He got to play like that. What I love about Jack Lambert, too, is that he never, he had a quote before. It was something along the line of that. He just never used football as a popularity contest.

you know, he looked at it as it was his job. Fucking. And you got to appreciate those guys. You love those guys in the locker room because they were all business. And Jack was business at all times. And he didn't care about, you know, who was watching home, you know, how popular he was. He cared about getting the job fucking done. And that's what he did.

Who's the modern day Jack Lambert? And that's a tough question because there's really no linebackers that are six four in the NFL. Not any middles. Oh, no, especially not the middle line. Probably would have been. Some outside linebackers possibly. It would have been like Erlacker back in the day. Oh, yeah.

Erlacker was like a safety. Yes. That turned into a safety. A good option right there. Currently, I'm not really sure. Anyone really compares to Jack Lambert. It's different game. The current NFL.

He also, like, I went to Kent, and I didn't even hear any stories about him, really. Like, he was, he's kind of like an off-the-radar type guy I heard. I heard he's like in some country. town probably in Ohio on his farm. I think he's got bomb shelters or anything. If anyone in the Jack Lambert camp hears this, can we get an update on him? We would love to as a former flash and a guy that went to the same university as him that likes him. We want to know if he's okay. I think he is okay. Like I said, like he just cared about doing his job. He didn't care about the popularity. And he's kind of like that. When was the last time he was

scene in the football world. I think it was when the original Steelers Stadium closed down before they were going to build their... The new one, three rivers? Yeah. What was it? Three River Stadium, right? Didn't he go to that last game or something? Did he? Was that the last time he was seen? Yeah, 2000 was the last time he was seen in the football world. I was 24 years ago. I wonder what he thinks about all this technology. He looks like a guy for fact that will fucking, if you're on his phone, if you're on a phone around him, I think he might shoot the phone. Yeah, he's still using a pager.

You know, I don't even think he has a pager. I think he's got landline. Just a pager. He's got landline, bro. He's got cord still that with like a 30-foot cord so he could take a goddamn call away from his wife, like two rooms down and has to shut the door and put the cord under the door gap so he could have some privacy. That's the kind of guy.

He's a scary. That is the kind of guy he is. Like, I got a question. How do you think? Would you ever go off the grid? Would I ever go off the grid? Jack Lambert hasn't been seen for 24 years.

Actually, I would, if I had enough means to go off the grid, I would love to go off the grid. You got plenty of means. Nah, I got kid. You can't, like, you can't go off grid if you have a kid. Like, if it was just me and rock, I'd go off of the dusty treer, but I can't. Just a deserted island? I don't know. Amounts of food and water?

Some little town in Mexico. Would you do it? Would you go off the grid? Can you see yourself going off the grid? I would love to go out. Like I said, if I want to like that, huh? We got dudes on dudes. Yeah.

Why would you go off the grid on me? Wouldn't it be cool to have a mitai and like a little umbrella? Can we just do dudes on dudes off the grid? We wouldn't be off the grid then. We'd be real dudes on dudes. How? Just you and I. Dude on dude.

Yeah. No. How do you think he'd play in today's football? I think he'd be pretty good. Yeah, he'd be really good, especially, you know, because it seemed like he was very athletic as well. Yeah. Cover pretty well.

So the way that, you know, we're throwing the football now in this era, I feel like he's a guy that can drop back in middle of the field, and especially in zone coverages. I think he would have a couple interceptions a year, no doubt about that. And just his mentality that he brings in the run game, I feel like some defenses are missing that type of mentality too. Like those guys that play willing. Yeah, the willing to go in and just take a full back, you know.

Playing all down one on one, not just third downs. Heads up. All downs, you know, and just being able to just, you know, give up your body, sacrifice yourself. So those players, Ray Lewis, obviously, Jack Lambert, another one of those. So what about John Elway? Remember when John Elway faced Jack Lambert? Yeah, didn't he? What happened?

He said, just let me out of here. be an accountant. Yeah. You want to know what else happened? He did say that after the game, but you want to know what else happened? He lined up under the right guard. That's how scared he was. He was that scared and nervous.

I mean, that was a- He freaking went under the right guard. What year was that? Imagine that. 83. So Lambert was still there. Lambert played what, 12 years? This was a young John Elway, probably young.

Buck out of Stanford. One for eight, 14 yards that game. One for eight. We're talking to John Howey. One for eight, 14 yards. Jeez. When he faced the scariest defender. The steel curtain.

He wasn't just hearing him. He had to steal. Yeah, he did. He had to steal. Bean Joe Green, Ham, Elsie Greenwood, all those boys. I mean, and he was the fucking flag carrier

for that scary-ass defense. Time. What kind of dude is Jack Lambert? Jack Lambert. A stud. He was a stud, but. Not Kent State. But not Ken State.

And not when you're that scary. And when you're that scary, you're technically not a stud. He's got that athleticism. He's got the football IQ. But he always had the is he too small in his category. So that takes him out of the stud. And then that takes him out of the freak category as well. Yeah, but he could be a freak because he's like a regular lanky dude that played like he was 280.

And he had a hit stick. He had a hit stick. and he had no teeth. They had no teeth. He could be a whiz because he was so fucking intelligent. You know, he was calling out plays. And I was watching all his, you could tell he knew the game better than a lot of the other guys he was playing against. Was he a dude's dude?

I probably don't know. I heard a snake story where he almost killed a guy from putting a fake snake in his room. Like, I don't think he's a dude. He's not a guy that you want to fuck with or pull a prank on. he might pull out his 20 and kill you. He looks like he writes manifestos. Yes. He's got a list.

Yeah. He's got a list. Yeah. So, no, don't pull pranks on him. You know what? I think he's a dog. He's just a dog. He is a dog.

You know, he's relentless. He's motivated. He's physically and mentally tough. Has exceeded everything that everyone thought he couldn't do at the highest level. Jack Lambert is a dude of a dog. And dogs don't care about getting the credit. No. They just want to feel the love and they just want to do their job.

And when they do their job, they feel the love. That's it. That was poetic. That was fucking poetic, Rob. Where did you learn? I have a dog. That's why. I have a dog.

He does not care about his popularity. He just cares about doing what he needs to do to protect myself, protect Camille, and protect the house. And then he feels like he's a. accomplished. And then he snuggles into me and we share love. That's just dogs loving dogs. He's a dog stamp it. Dog. Drafted six overall in the 2005 NFL draft. He was known for his exceptional speed and agility, highlighted by a four, three eight second 40 yards dash. And his career, he was named to three pro bowls and a first team all pro selection. Before his NFL career, he made a name for himself at West Virginia University.

Let's get on Pac-Man Jones. Jules, what's the first thing you think of? When you hear the name, Adam Pac-Man Jones. Well, first thing I think of is Bengal formation. All right. Remember, we had a series of formations. It was an empty formation where the F moved. So Tiger, our reminder, was Kevin F,

The F was always Kevin Falk. He was in the slot. Yes. Brown, he was always outside. So you always knew where everyone was. The F was on the outside of the formation. For Bangle, we learned Bangle that he was all the way inside the formation because Bengals always went to jail. And I'm pretty sure Pac-Man went to a couple of those things.

And he had a couple of those antics. He was part of our learning of a formation. Who came up with that creativity? Chadio. Chattio. You know he said, Bengals are always in jail. I wish he shared that knowledge with me. I would have understood the playbook a lot easier. Well, on that side, you were always on the backside. So the Y and the X were always, they didn't move. It was always the front side of the formation that had to move on that series of formations. That's how crazy our fucking formation was. But that's the first thing I think of when I think of Pac-Man, because I remember when we were installing this. formation. Chattyo brought up, you know, Pac-Man got caught up at the strip club again.

Those Bengals are always in jail. That's just how you guys remind it. And I can tell you this. If you're, if you're a Bengal and you're in jail, you're going to be a tough SOB, that's for sure. And that's the type of player that he was out on the football field. He was tough. He could tackle. I mean, he wasn't the biggest DB, but let me tell you, he acted like he was the biggest DB. He played like a linebacker. He was like, how did you describe it earlier coming off of the edge? He knifed it. So what he didn't. He wasn't just one of those plastic knives. He was a freaking, a steak

knife. He was definitely like a steak knife. So I remember a lot of the coaching plans when we'd have Pac-Man. They would play them into the boundary corner. He'd be a boundary corner. And a lot of times, they would play a cover two. And Pac-Man would be the last, or he would be the outside edge defender.

So, like, we'd always have to worry. It almost looked like it was a blitz because he was crunching so much and he was knifing so much. But it was just, he was such an instinctive smart player that he knew because of formation that he could go in there. So you always had to be on your P's and Q's

when you had Pac-Man in the boundary because he was so elite in the run game as a corner. Like he was an unbelievable punt returner. I used to watch him all the time as a punt returner because I would always like to watch the best punt returners in the league to see how they were getting open. And he was just such a fast guy.

He knew how he had great field awareness, great field vision. He put his foot in the ground and he would go and he could outrun people. He was elite speed. I mean, you don't go six overall from West Virginia, which West Virginia had a lot of players at this time.

You got to tip your captain of West Virginia. Pat White, you know, McAfee went there. That era was special. They had a lot of good players. But he went six overall at 5'10. You know, that's crazy. It doesn't matter if you have elite speed or not.

So that tells you how good of a football player he was. was what do you see i mean he was scrappy talked a lot of shit me and him almost fought on the field couple times i mean he've almost fought freaking 50 different NFL players out on the football field because he would get under their skin i respected it though yeah yeah you definitely had to respect him because that that was him it wasn't like it was just coming out of nowhere it was him it was him you know and you got to appreciate that uh what i really loved the bottom two just his ball skills man whenever he was around the ball it would be tipped up in the area he was bringing it down with it he had wide receiver her hands. And you want to kind of know what he reminds me of because he had so many returns as a

kickoff returner and punt returner, but also when he would return the ball on an interception is that he looked like a third down running back. He did with that ball, man. I feel like he could have played the running back position because of just how shifty he was and just how his hands were. They were very, you know, very, uh, what am I looking for? Consistent of being able to catch the ball. So he was a third down back playing corner. And you talked about him like he was a middle linebacker. But really on top of it, he was a great cover guy. Great cover guy.

You know, great ball skills, like I said. And like, this guy, he was scared to get down and dirty. Scott, yeah. I got a little story. My rookie year, I mean, it was Pac-Man Jones out there. Why, I kept going one-on-one versus whoever he was covering and West was in the slot. And we did a quick pass to West.

So, you know, at the, you know, lined up inside at the tight end position. You know how I bolt out there and I got to go block the DB. And this is my first game I've ever played And I saw it was Pac-Man I was like oh shit Do I really want to block this guy? Like I don't know what he's gonna do to me I mean all these stories about Pac-Man out there

Talking shit coming after you Getting under your skin That wasn't the scouting report It was it really was It was in back of my head But I was like I screw that I gotta show my abilities I gotta do me so I kind of

Ran that Pac-Man Broke down a little bit Got right into his chest boy Drove him about Three four yards Right to the side line, West ran right behind me, scored a touchdown baby, and I just

turn around like, yeah, that's right, I just blocked Pac-Man Jones, motherfucker, let's go to the strip without Bobby. Jules, you're talking about how you almost fought Pac-Man Jones on the field? Well, what does a DB have to do to make you want to fight him? What was he saying to you, or what did he do to you?

Come on, Joel. He was calling me, white boy or something, you ain't got shit, no speed. He was giving, I don't, I don't even remember, but. I mean, it was pretty, easy to get under your skin back in the day. Okay, Jules, not really. Oh, okay, Jules. Not really. But if you pissed me off, that means I was going to go 110% every fucking play. So a lot of guys wouldn't do it because I was going to keep it going. But I don't know. I remember one time I took

a ball and Pac-Man thought I was going to go out of bounds and I kind of trucked him. And he looked up and he got up and he started talking shit to me because I had like 30 yards and he was coming right. He like he didn't have any momentum. So like, that person's going to win. And I lit him up. And he looked at me. He said some shit. I forgot what he said.

But he said, fuck you. You're stealing shit dog or something. I was like, fuck you, Pac-Man. I didn't want to talk too much shit to Pac-Bank me because I heard about the guns and shit. I heard about the strip clubs and stuff.

So, you know, I didn't know if he would take it off the field. So he was like, what's up, Pac-Man? What's a dog? But I love Pac-Man.

We've got to hang out a few times. He's a fun dude. Like, and he's growing up a lot. I think he's great on. podcast and shit. I saw I watch him on McAfee. He's, you know, he's, he's done very well off the field and in transforming his, is kind of his image. Like we, when we were all playing, Pac-Man was like, he was a dude that was, he got in trouble, he got suspended and shit. Now, like, it's been

awesome to see him re-image himself and become, like, he's working for ESPN for a while. I mean, he's Disney Channel. He's one of the only dudes that had the borderline antics of getting arrested, going to the strip club, and being known for all of that. And he's still in the media. And he's, he's still a guy that people look up to because that's how good of a football player he was.

And he owned it as well. That's when you know you're a great, you know, football player and someone who you know who you are because you own it. And when you own something like that, it's not like you're going to get canceled or written off. You're going to find opportunity. that present to you.

And that's what Pacman Jones has done for his life. And that's why he's on the Pat McAfee show now. And he's doing a great job. And I love the Pat McAfee show. Yeah. Just speaking of wild cards, that guy's a wild card in the best way possible. I mean, that guy comes up with freaking dilemmas and notions like no one else can possibly do. And I love it.

What's the Mount Rush more of athletes turn podcasters? Mm-hmm. All right. Well, I would say, obviously, we'll start with that guy right there. Pat McAfee. I mean, he was one of the first. He actually stopped playing football so he can get into that world. Yeah, he got to doing podcasts.

We all thought he was crazy. He was crazy. He changed the game. He changed a game. Yes, he took a chance. He was the ultimate wildcard for doing that. And let me tell you, he changed the game for all these other players that are, you know, after they retire.

Yeah. And trying to find a second life. So Pat McAfee, definitely number one. No doubt about that. let's just say a bunch of names. Shannon Sharp's got to be on there. Great podcaster. Shannon Sharp, no doubt about that. Obviously, the Kelsey brothers, they're doing a great job.

Is that it? There's only four on Mount Rushmore? No, well, it's not even do Mount Rushmore. Let's just name a couple. All right. Let's just have a category. A category. Top 10, top eight, you know, whatever it is.

Kelsey's are fun. Yes, they are. They do great job. JJ Reddick did great, man. I like J.J. Reddick did great, man. I like J.G. He's not podcasting anymore. more guy. I mean, he was such a good podcast. You got a head coach and job out of him. Yeah,

that's for sure. Brandon Marshall's legit. I think you've done some stuff. I am inside the NFL. He's a, he's a freaking entrepreneur. I'm very proud of, of what he's done. Big Cat and PMT, they're former high school athletes. Yeah, they are, man. You're right. High school athletes. And Big Cat and PMT, they're like one of the originals as well. What about a doubt. You know, to start podcasting. I mean, if you look at Big Cat with a shirt off, I mean, you're telling me, he's not not an athlete? I think he's handsome for a big guy. He is.

He's got like good eyebrows. He got a nice beard. He does. Like he tries to play the fat guy. Oh, I'm so fat and ungood look. He's actually a handsome dude. If he lost 30 pounds,

he'd probably be in fucking GQ. He's like one of those chubby guys that you want to snuggle. He is. Yeah. Like, and it's comfortable. He's very snuggled. Yeah.

And it's nice and warm. You don't even need to like it. Back to Pac-Man. Oh, yeah, Pac-Man. Yeah. Back to Pac-Man. You know, another thing about Pac-Man. that's not really known out there.

I mean, he's a stand-up dude. He, you know, he may have his antics and shit, but as a human being, he's a great dude. Chris Henry lost his kids. Pac-Man's raising them. Pac-Man's providing for them. Pac-Man's the mentor for him. You've seen Pac-Man Jones grow up over the last 20 years.

I mean, he's not the guy he was when he was in the first got in the league, going to strip clubs and shit. Maybe he is, but he contains it a little. But he's a fucking stand-up dude. you got to tip your cap to him man yeah shout out to pacman for taking on that role and doing he's a good ass man for his friend you know that that you know passed away that was a sad story but also chris henry junior pacman raised him and he's committed to play football at the ohio state university geez so that that's a cool story right there and uh obviously learning from pacman

jones one of the most athletic you know sensational cornerbacks ever played the game you know make sure you Chris Henry Jr. when he's at the Ohio State University, he's going to be a heck of a player, I bet. And once again, a wild card is not just like doing bad things. It's just unpredictable of good, bad, whatever. And Pac-Man is the wild card guy. You know, he does some great stuff. Does great things, does some wild things that you're kind of unsure of. But then he always backs it up by doing another great thing as well, another good deeds. Who are some teammates that you consider family? Well, first off, you, Jules, man. You're definitely part of the family.

I mean, we're all family, our podcast and team. We're all family here. Another teammate, Dola. Dola is definitely a family member. Nico Kudavides. I mean, Matthew Slater. We don't hang out with him as much. No, he's like the older brother that, you know, just looks down at our actions.

And making sure that we're doing the right thing still. Always still. And if we're doing the wrong thing, he's going to give us a call and say, buddy, what you're doing? Clean it up. Yeah, clean it up. Clean it up. Your act is getting a little out of control now. Tom's kind of like older, big brother.

too. Tom's like our, yeah, older, older, older, brother. That's making sure we're on the right page. Who else do we got? Chandler Jones, man. Chandler Jones was my brother, man. I love Chan. Chan was the, he was the black grunk and I was the white Chan, man, when we were in New

England. That's what we called each other. Without a doubt. I love Chan. I'll always consider him one of my brothers, man, definitely. No doubt about that. Ninko. Ninkovitch.

He's like the brother that you like, everyone has a brother that you bully. Yeah. Yeah, we do bully him. What kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? Let's get it. What kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? He's definitely... I bet you he's a dude's dude in a certain way.

I bet you anyone that play with him loves it. I bet you was a great teammate, actually, because he had wonderful stories to get everyone going. Hey, when you make it right in the club, you try to make everyone have fun. Yeah, that's the true. You make it all the point. You're bringing the energy to the table.

That's all it matters. No matter how you do it, you know, with whatever antic you're doing, you're bringing the energy to the table and you're amping everyone up. into him being a dude's dude. Yeah. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude.

He's also a stud. He can't forget he was drafted six overall. He's fucking four three guy, five, ten. He plays like a linebacker. Ten total fucking kickoff return touchdowns. Like seven pick sixes. This guy was elite with the ball of his hand. Thank God he played corner.

I mean, he wasn't a freak. I mean, because a freak is, you know, there's the statute. He was freaky speed. He had three of his ability. at 50. You had freaky abilities. It wasn't like he was a six-foot-six corner. Nah, yeah.

So he got freaky's. He had common size. So that, you know. On three, we know what it is. Yeah, we do know what it is. One, two, three, dog. He's got that dog mentality. He's motivated.

He's motivated. I mean, a... You bite him. He's coming right back at you. He's gonna bark. He's gonna be a pit bull. He's coming back to you as a pit bull. And he ain't gonna stop until the fight's over.

No, he's not, man. He's definitely a dog. Fucking Pacman. We got to compete against him a lot. And he was always, you knew you had to bring your A game against Pac-Man Jones. Always barking out, yeah, too, during the games. Whether good or bad, he was barking. Let's get on.

Ed Reed. Coach Balchek's favorite defensive player besides who's that guy from the New York Giants Jules that he loves as well? Lawrence Taylor. Lawrence Taylor. Always gets a hard on for Lawrence Taylor, but he had another full. He got about like three-quarter chub for Ed Reed. We used to call Ed Reed.

Ed Reed Belichick. So let's wait to see what AIS to say. Well, you couldn't blame Coach Belichick. Not with that because Ed Reed was a baller. He was a baller. Athletic. All right. Start the clock.

Ed Reed standing at 5. 111 and weighing 205 pounds. Ed Reed played safety for the Baltimore, Ravens, Houston, Texans, and New York Jets. The Jets? When do you play for the Jets? Late, late, 2013. Late Jets.

Must have been one season. One season. Draft the 24th overall. He just probably wanted that, you know, final check. because why would he go to the Jets in 2013? All right. We'll talk about that later. Draft the 24th overall in 2002 out of the University of Miami.

He was known for his high football IQ, playmaking ability and unmatched leadership. He was a game changer finishing his career with 64 interceptions, 1,090 interception return yards. Jesus. And seven defensive touchdowns. He was a nine-time pro-baller, 2004 NFL defense player of the air in his all-time NFL leader in Interception.

reception return yards. I was going to say that right when I heard that number as well. I was like, that has to be an all-time record. I remember no one must be close. He played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, wait, wait a second. AI. AI. You just said he played for three teams in the first sentence. And now the last sentence, he played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, that ain't true. And help bring them their second Super Bowl victory with a win over to 49ers in Super Bowl 47. No, he played for three teams, Houston, Texans and the New York Jets. But he had his best, you know, career years, obviously, with the Baltimore Ravens. And then just finished off with the irrelevant years.

It didn't matter. He's definitely a Baltimore Raven for life. Miami Hurricane football player for life, the U. I mean, he's known. He helped put the you on the map and also help, you know, put that defense of the Baltimore Ravens on the map as well. This is why. Ray Lewis was there.

Yeah, Ray Lewis. I mean, that's why they were known as. the toughest defense in the NFL. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and what's this for the case? Yeah, T-sizzle. Drows sucks. Lodi-Nata. Oh, Holoidina, man.

That dude, oh, my gosh. He's like Vita Vaya, basically. 360 pounds, just massive, blows up holes. You can't move them. But what's the first thing you think of about Ed Reed when you hear his name, Jules? First thing I think of is cover for Red Area, him blowing me up. I'm sorry. He blew me up in that.

I'm sorry. At first of all, I'm sorry, I asked you this question. All right. Yeah, he did blow you up. Remember that when we were playing there? He. Oh. Oh.

Yeah, he lit me up. Oh, but you got right back up, though. I did. I ended up scoring. You're a tough S-O-B, Jules. But that, no. You're a tough son of a gun. He was just the first thing.

Like, he was just everywhere. Like, what's that one? There's that one thing. Two-thirds of the earth. is covered by water. The other third is covered by Ed Reed. Like that, that is what I think of when I think of Ed Reed. Got to compete against him from a very young age at my rookie year. And that's when we were going, they were coming and beating us in Foxborough. We were battling them in the AFC championship. You remember those early years that we, we battled them? That was like our Denver in the back of our

career where we were going, playing the toughest, you know what I mean? It just was always a battle. Ed Reed was just a very unpredictable dude to try to get a beat on. He baited QBs in the mistakes all the time. All the time. All the time. You ever meet him? I never met Ed Reed. No,

never have, man. And it was good because I really never met him on the field either, which is a good thing. I played my rookie year, but I really didn't play that much versus the Baltimore. Ravens is my rookie year, probably like 20, 30 plays. I never really had a chance to match up with him.

And then he was kind of on to the next teams, like those irrelevant years on those teams of, of just not really playing for some. But I just remember him in the heyday, though, which was good. I'm glad that his heyday was before my heyday because I probably wouldn't have had a hayday then if there's had to read still in his heyday when I was there. But just what I really loved about him was just his range. I mean, yes, he was a guester and he baited quarterbacks in the mistakes.

But also he would bait him in the mistakes and then have that range to cover that mistake that the quarterback is making. Yeah. He would get you to throw that deep ball and act like he was out of coverage, but he was so fast and athletic, he would go and get that deep ball and make that interception.

Do I know how good at Reed was? Tell him, Jules, how good he was. What did Tom have to do in the playoffs in 2011 in the AFC championship game? What did he have to do because Ed Reed was just that guy? I remember he used to have to put on his wristband because, you know, for extended plays,

sometimes if you had to check with me, You'd have a lengthy verbiage thing. So we'd put it on there. I bet you he had the reminder that said, fine number 20 because he was just that big of a focal point of that defense. You know what I mean? That's how much. It wasn't just fine number 20.

It was fine number 20 on every play. Every play. Locate them and throw the ball the other way. It didn't say throw the ball the way. But you got to find him. Yep, you got to find him. You got to know where he is. You got to alert it.

You got to alert it. You got alert. Alert. Alert. When Tom's doing that. That means he doesn't like where 20 is. Exactly. Without a doubt.

And I remember plays where Tom used to talk about, you know, he'd watch Ed Reed. And Ed Reed would be on the ground. And he's got like the deep third. And he'd be on the ground in the box, lying on the ground like a goddamn lion. And then get up and sprint back there and go pick a ball. Like that's kind of instinct that he had. But what I loved about Ray also, because early on my career, I was a return. I was a special teamer.

And whenever we played against the Baltimore Ravens on all units, he was a fucking problem. On our punt return unit, our punt team, he had the up and under on the field goal block. He had the up and under. Like, he used to block kicks, scoop, scores. He returned kicks for touchdowns. He just was an all-around fucking unbelievable football player that young football players need to watch and not try to emulate because not everyone can beat Ed Reed. Not everyone can do that, but like understand that like this dude's like a freak.

Who would you say is the better safety between the two ultimate safeties in the AFC North? Troy Palomalu or Ed Reed? That's so hard. They're different players. I think of Ed is more of a deep safety, like a free. I think of Palo Malu more of like a strong safety. So I think they're different, both just electric football players that you want to play with. like I would love to get to play with them because the amount of practice against them that you would get,

like it would make you a better football player. Sure would. Iron sharpens. What do you think? It depends on the scheme. It depends on the defensive coach what their mindset is. Like you said, if you have a scheme where the safeties, you know, are blitzing more and making more plays in the backfield and acting more of like a linebacker, you got to go with Troy Palomalu.

But if you have a scheme where it's more about coverage, you got to go with Adder Reed, no doubt about it. I mean, this guy could cover any part of the field at any given time, even if he's on one side, if he has one half of the field, he can go to the other half and give help to the safety once the ball is released. He's so fast and just so quick. And what's so great about him, too, is just his ball skills, man. He would, like, tip that ball to him, like, all the time for an interception. Like, he had wide receiver skills.

Post interception, he'd be throw, he'd throw the ball back. They always, you always had to be alert for a lateral. Or remember, he stole the ball from his teammate to pick, when he was about to fall down. Out of players who didn't play for Coach Belichick, who do you think on the Mount Rushmore of guys that he loves? Because I, for sure, Ed Reed would be on. Obviously, Lawrence Taylor.

We just talked about that. Well, he played for him, but that we didn't play with. We didn't play with. What do you mean? Like that coach that didn't coach? Yeah, maybe that. So because he coached Lawrence Taylor. He coached Lawrence Taylor.

But he's still on there. He's still on there. He's still on there. He's still on there because he loves Lawrence Taylor. All right. Ed Reed. I would say Ed Reed is might be number one then.

The guy that Coach Balochick never coached. Never coached. Yeah. Sorry, Devin McCordy. Yeah. Well, we got you back. You want to rate dudes on dudes. Well,

Coach Balochek loved that read. Oh, got him. What else would be on there? Who else did he love? Probably like a punner. Oh, I mean, well, he coached Cam Nguyen. He loved Cam Nguyen. Always talk about Cam Nguyen.

You got to contain him in the pocket. But then he coached Cam Nguyen. That one doesn't really count. But it was him. Love Peyton, Manning, no doubt about it. Love. Another guy, a legend played way back in the day, Jim Brown. Bill, Bill love Jim Brown.

He, whenever, that is, that is such a good pool. Because anytime there'd be just guys slap, We'd be slap dicking in the locker room and Bill would be coming in with this little fucking towel. You know, he'd go to the treadmill with this binder in his towel. He'd go into watch some film on the tread and guys would be arguing about shit. You know, Bill sometimes would say something.

He'd be like, hey, you know what I mean? And I remember someone, guys were arguing about top running backs of all time. Oh, it's this guy. It's this guy. And I think he just said, Jim Brown? You guys don't know. Fucking Jim Brown's best football play. Like, he loves Jim Brown.

Loves Jim Brown. All right. What about Ed Reed's, you know, college days? He was, he was the guy at the U. Like, he exemplified what the U was all about. Tough, hard-nosed football players that gave no damn. No damn out there out on the field. Gave it their all.

And this just represents him in just one play. What are you got, Jules, about that. I mean, him at the year. Yeah, Miami versus Boston College 2001. Miami was up 12-7 late in the game, and Boston College was in the red zone. Do you remember this play? Yeah.

One of the most famous college football plays of all time. He got deflected into what, one of his defense alignment? Ed Reed strips the ball from him and takes it 80 yards to the house. Yeah. And they ended up winning 18 to 7. Flashy. Like, their defense, like, just fun flash. Playmaker.

Yeah, we'll put it in. He's also like a speech giver. You know, you look at this one speech. I'm sitting there. They're up 21 to 3 at halftime. He was pissed at Miami's effort because they were like, national champion hopes. This was when the U is the freaking U.

And you go, and Ed Reed, I'm hurt, dog. Don't ask me if I'm all right. I'll put my heart in this shit. Let's go, man. And what happened? They go out and blow them out, 49 to 27. And then what happened to end of the year? Miami didn't lose the rest of the season.

They won the national championship. BCS National Championship. That is 2001. The U was the U. Who didn't love the U? He's on the Mount Rushmore, you guys too, isn't he? He 100% is. Ray Lewis.

Mm-hmm. I mean, what offensive guys? Michael Irving? Gore is there, shocking. There's a couple. There's a bunch of tight ends. What about Andre Johnson? Andre Johnson.

Reggie Wayne, Warren Sapp. Oh, man. The list goes on and on. I want to hear what people think who's on that. Big V. How can you forget about Big V? Dude. Greg Olson.

I mean, you got a lot of players. This was when we were kids, man. The U is a you. You know what? I love the U dude. I got an offer from the U to go play tight end there. I wasn't going to go there. It was at the very end.

And I just thought, like, I was complete because I got the offer from the U. like, it just made me satisfied. Like, yeah, I could play at the U, but I'm not going there. But I could play it. I got the offer. I was, you know, very happy. The U. When I was, you know when you're in eighth grade and you do that thing where you write a

letter to yourself and then your teacher saves it and then sends it to you when you're a senior in high school? Mine's went along the lines of something like this. Like, it's good to see. that you're probably going to be signing your commitment letter to University of Miami. I hope you enjoy the sunshine. I wanted to go to the Uso about.

I wrote to myself in eighth grade to fucking myself in the future. And little that I know I was ending up at Juko. Yeah. Didn't go to the U. And then Kent. It was kind of, it was close to you. It was close.

Close. There's Miami of Ohio. That was in your conference. It was close. It was close. It was close. It was close. It was close.

It was close. ended up at Kent. It was like that letter was like, all right, we can't do the U, but we can do the Kent, which is kind of near Miami, but the Miami,

Ohio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it would work. Or else you would never get the offer to go to Kent. And then you would still be in,

you would still be in junior college right now to this day. You manifest to go beat, fucking beat, you manifest to play against Troy Paul Malu. I've manifested to play against Miami of Ohio, baby. Miami, Ohio,

great school. My friend went there. And I visited him twice. And, tell you, we had a good time. And my jersey is up on the wall and it got stolen. It was right next to the big Ben's Jersey. I forgot the place we went to. Oh, man. Miami Ohio is cool. I never went there. It was a fun school. Sean McVeigh went to that. Loved it. Loved it. I played against Sean McVeigh when he went to Miami, Ohio. He's that young. Yeah. Are you that old? I'm that old. No, no,

he's that young. He's both. Because he's a head coach. I know, but he was a head coach 10 years ago. I think he got into the damn near 20s. What position did he play? He was a receiver slot. He had a catch against us. Yeah, just one, though. I don't really remember him. I'm trying to get you. But I'll tell you right now. I give a tea. He remember me.

That's what we're talking about. All right. I love you, big, babe. I love you. Time. What kind of dude is Ed Reed? Oh, man. Ed Reed.

I mean, definitely a wizard because you got to know the game of football, especially on the defensive side of the ball in order to bait your quarterback and throwing the ball so you can go make an interception. But he's absolute dog, too, when he made that interception. brought it to the house, stripping his lineman in college so he can go for an 80-yard touchdown. But returning as well as the most electric returns and most yardage return in the NFL history for a defense player. Black- When you're the superstar on defense and you're still playing in the kicking game, that's fucking dog.

That's when you know you're a legend. That's a dog. That's when you know you're a football player as well. Mental toughness, always motivated. You knew Ed Reed was motivated. Heart and soul of the you Well I mean there's so many hearts Oh yeah yeah there was

So many hearts But one of them One of the heart and souls of the you One of the heart and souls So dog Dog Dog stamp it Stamp it

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All right, let's go into our next. Bum, bum, bum, I'm sure we're going to go for more than 10 minutes. We've already went for more than 10 minutes. Who's our next guest, Tom? I mean, oh, wow. Who's our next guest, Julian? Our next guest is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. Now, let's see what AI has what to say about TB.

Two guys that know him pretty well. Let's see if AI knows them just as well. All right, start at the clock. Let's see. Let's see if AI is really living up to the standards these days. That's not everyone's saying. Same. Last two, AI. All right. Tom Brady is a legendary NFL quarterback. Well, they're already wrong because

he's not a legendary NFL quarterback. He was an NFL legendary quarterback. Or is he, does AI know he's, does Tom come back? Is it? AI. AI knows something that we don't know. Oh, my God. AI is living up to the standard. Dolphins. Oh, dolphins. Kyle Shannon-Han still wants him with the Niners, even though.

Miami a lot. Maybe AI is up to something right now. AI is up to something. What is AI say? He's a renowned for his record seven Super Bowl victories and five Super Bowl MVP awards. Wow. Off the field, he is known for his disciplined lifestyle. Very disciplined. TV12 method. Business ventures.com slash business ventures. A lot of business ventures owns teams. Lots of teams. Raiders potentially come up soon. And philanthropic efforts. A lot of giving back to the kids. Best buddies for a long time.

Yes. And what about the kids? He helped become superstars. Yeah. He helped us out too. We're part of that. That doesn't go in the philanthropy. That's not philanthropy, but we'll take that. That's his biggest philanthropy right there. It was. Definitely. Okay. Helping us kids out. He helped us. All right. A lot. All right. Now, including his work with the TB12 Foundation, which you just mentioned, Joel. And TB 12 Foundation. Brady's leadership. He's a leader.

Resilience. Guy's fucking resilient. And commitment. Come on, Jules. Is he committed? This guy is committed like no other. To excellence have made him an iconic figure. Is he iconic?

Fucking. He's got aura. The most iconic. The guy's got aura. iconic figure both in sports and infinity and beyond. It said in infinity and beyond. But I added that little bite of Buzz Lightyear, you know, spectacle aspect into it.

I like that. I like that. But I can't believe AI didn't. One thing that AI didn't get, this guy is his compartmentalization skill is fucking outrageous. That's what I, When anyone asked me, like, what is, he could literally have so many things going on in his life. But when it was time for work, he could blur all that out and think about what that work day was

and fucking get the most out of that work day every day. Which some would say that's like a serial killer or some kind of maniac mindset. I would say that's like the greatest of all time. Yes, Jules, that's a great point. I actually never thought of that. And that's 100% accurate. And that's actually contributes to why he was so great. Is that he could ignore the noise.

Whatever is going on out there, whatever the situation was. Make me better. It didn't matter. And he would, yeah, he would use that anyways. He would use it as fuel. It would be diesel fuel. It would be normal fuel. Race fuel.

Super. 10, oxygen fuel. it didn't matter. He would use it as fuel. Only a few fucking gas stations have that fuel. You fill up that engine and he had diesel engine. He had freaking premium engine. He had every engine in the book.

Jet engine. And that's what made him so great. And he used that fuel and he burned all that fuel too. This is probably terrible. There's so many, he burned so much fuel that he killed literally so much of the ozone layer that he's a fucking hazard to our environment because that's how much fuel he burns. with the motivation and his compartmentalization factors.

That's how much fuel he's burning. And that jet was full go every single time. You know when you get on a plane, you're like this freaking pilot better drive this plane or fly this plane as fast as possible. Well, drive it too, freaking on the runway to get to the runway to freaking take off ASAP. So fly it and drive it as fast as possible. That's this guy. And he's got headwind, so you're actually using more fuel.

Yeah. And the fuel never ran out. The guy has fucking airplanes that come out while you're flying. Have you seen that where they use the fucking piece and while they're flying in the air? Air Force One. He's got that on Unlimited. Yeah. And that is Alex.

Alex is the little airplane. Alex is the little airplane that connects. Oh, oh, man. He just has to. much fuel. Oh, I mean,

oh, that was so good. That was so good. There they are. Look at, there's Alex and Tom. Alex and Tom. Alex is fuel and Tom up.

Wow. Wow. And that's something to have, hey, that's a love thing out of Alex because he keeps him going. Keeps them going, man.

Well, let's get to some accolades. I mean, first he was, he was pick 199, six round in the 2000 draft. I mean, I'm sure everyone knows that

by now. He was with the Patriots from 2000 to 2019 and then with the Bucks 2000 to 2002. And actually I just got a quiz on him. How many years did he play in the NFL? And it was right before I talked to him two weeks ago on Fox. Kurt Meneffey asked me, we played a little live game. Hey, how well do you know your teammate Tom Brady goes? How many more years to Tom Brady play in the NFL than you? And I played 11 years. And I thought Tom Brady played 24 years. I actually got it wrong. He played 20, three years in the NFL. So shame on me, but it was better to be over on that than hit it right on the nose.

But that's how many years he played is that I just know it was so many. I couldn't even keep track anymore. He played 11 more years than me. He played 11 years more than you and 12 years more than me. That is fucking nirely. I played 12, I played 11 years in the NFL and he played more years in the NFL than I put in the NFL. he that without me does that make sense yeah yeah like if you i don't know what that's called but that that's a math term yeah that's called uh the whole that's called goat that's fucking goat

yeah that's called jet fuel Alex's jet fuel Alex's jet fuel yeah what was the first time you met tom the first time i met tom was actually what was pretty wild when i was at the university of Arizona, you know, I was doing my interview. I had a couple touchdowns that game. I was showing off my touchdown celebrations. And then the lady interviewing me, she's like, who do you see being your quarterback in the NFL? And obviously right on the spot, I go, Tom Brady would be the best quarterback to have in

the NFL and especially a great fit for me. And that was just the answer, you know, and then I did my touchdown dances and all that. And then what happens? I get drafted to the Patriots. and Tom Brady becomes my quarterback in the NFL. It was like I manifested it when I was in college. I manifested a lot of things. And if you ask Tom,

Tom's probably really big into manifesting as well. He manifested all his Super Bowl's because right after he won a Super Bowl, he would already have a clock counting down to the next Super Bowl. So he was manifesting like crazy. You just learned so much knowledge from him. And he's done so many things right to be able to get to the nature of where he is now. It wasn't like he just had the athletic ability. He showed up.

He did everything right. And he put the time in that you can never argue against him. Can't. You can't. We'll give you an option. So let's get, let's get back to what was I talking about again? I don't know.

I just got just, yeah, I got a little off. First time you met him. Oh, the first time I met him. It was in the training room. I was getting my ankles taped and he walked in.

So I was there already for the rookie camps, the rookie practices. And he just walks up to me. He goes, Hey, Rob, I'm, Tom Brady and I was like, oh, wow, this guy already knows my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so great as well is that he already knows all the rookies names,

all the guys that were drafted, what rounds they were drafted in, what type of player they already were. Because he wants to know, you know, their athletic ability, you know, what type of guy they are so he can understand them so he can be on the same page as them. So he can get the best out of them as well, like you said. And he could have that connections to help win games. So he can be on the same, you know, wavelength. them. So he already knew my name, came up to me. And I just thought it was the coolest thing, man. I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you. It was just super quick. When he left, what did you think in your head? Tom Brady knew my name. And that was the greatest honor to shake his hand while

getting my ankles taped. And then he goes, wins four Super Bowls with him. That's crazy. I had a similar story. Yeah. What was it like when you met him? What was that story? I was going from, like you said, we were already in there. When you're a rookie, you get in there before back in our day. You'd get in there before the vets reported. And so you'd be there for like three weeks. You'd rookie camp and learning installations and everything. And so I had a big book. We all had these books. It was like a five inch. Remember those old, the old binders? Before we had iPads, we used to have big old binders. I didn't like carrying them around. I left mine in my locker when I went home. Even though you were supposed to bring it home to study, I was like, I ain't carrying that binder.

I used to carry it. Yeah, you did. I do. I was trying to make a goddamn team. You had to. So I'm over here getting five minutes before the special teams meeting. It's true. And I'm running through and the vets came in and I saw the vets coming because I saw a well in the, in the cafeteria.

Didn't say a word to me. I was, but I wanted to. Big time you. Big time me a little bit. That's okay. He had a leather jacket on. You big time him now. He looks cool.

And I like when you guys big time each other. It's entertainment. me. All right, back to time, though. And so I knew they were in, but I was going to my meeting and he walks through the door, you know, the entrance of the locker room from the hall? He walks in there and he goes,

like, look at him, I dropped my book. I'm like, oh, shit, this dude is taller than I thought. And he goes, hey, I'm Tom. I go, Jules. He goes, I know. We have the same agent. Dragon's my agent, too, or something, something like that. And I was like, nice to meet you. And I felt the same way you felt like, damn, he knew my name.

That's fucking crazy. But he knew that, he knew everyone's name and he made everyone feel special. And that was part of his leadership skill, you know, like what made him such an unbelievable leader. From the meal ladies to, you know, the people in the equipment room, the training staff, like, it didn't matter what was going on, how the day went. He was always a pretty cool dude to everyone. And everyone was always watching.

him. You know what I mean? And that's when you're the quarterback of the team, everyone no matter what is going on in your life is watching that person and to see how they react to everything, the success, the failure, your eyes go to that guy. You know, and he was the perfect guy for us, especially when we're young knuckleheads to look at like, all right, this is how you have to do it. He gave you the example. And he was just a fucking, he gave us a blueprint on how to become. a reliable, talented, you know, player that you needed to be to help the team win games. He gave us the blueprint on how to become a star out there on the field.

He gave us the blueprint on how to make plays, how to go out there and have that mindset ready to go and also be mentally and physically ready at all times on the practice field and on the game field. There's no doubt about that. And he didn't just give you a blueprint. He showed you the way too. Showed you.

Yes, he showed you. Hey, this is where I want you on this route. This is when you need to look at me. This is where the ball is going to be. Trains you. Yes, he trained you to be like that. Like a little puppy. Oh, wait.

Oh, wait. Oh, you want to take a break? Hey, man, I'm telling you, your mind will let you go farther. Let's go. Four more routes. Let's go. You got to be able to be on the same page as me. You got to be right here.

Be more physical. Be more physical. You're bigger than everyone. Run his ass over and turn around and the ball will be there. I promise you. And if you don't hit that guy, not physical, guess what? The ball's not going to come to you.

He would just lay it out just like that. His leadership was just, what's that where? Where it's just. Brutally honest? Yes, brutally honest. And that's what made him so great too. So like with him, that's what he always harped to gronk. With me, I remember in those, because a lot of times we would get that coaching in the

off season when he, we'd go fly out somewhere we would throw together, you know, because there's times where you would do it. There was times where I would do it. he would always try to get his throws in with his guys. And for me, he'd always come up to me and go like, hey, I, I need you to be here. I need you to be like a boxer. You know, you can't be,

you can't just do what the thing shows you on the paper. You have to feel it out. You got to set things up with your jab and then you use your right. You know, it's like a boxer. You got to be more savvy in your route running. That's, I remember you saying that. And then he'd always say, like, you got to run like a fucking, you got to be able to run.

you got to be able to run all day and like you said when you were tired we would do those sets of routes he'd make you do three or four extra ones and he would say you'd line up and you would you think that the drill was done and he would say oh there's off sides on a penalty

on your teammates or there's a holding call or P.I or we got to redo it and he knew you were dog dead but he wanted to see he wanted to get everything out of you when you were on empty he wanted to see what kind of guy you were and he wanted to show you that's what expected in game time.

And a word that you could have used in there as well that kind of sums it up a little bit is he loved a decisive route run. Decisive. Decisive. He didn't care if the paper said run 10 yards and run out. He didn't care one bit. He cared about being decisive on the practice field and taking that decisiveness and bringing it to the game field.

He goes, hey, if you're going to run 12 yards, even though it's a 10 yard, route or if you're going to run eight yards and it's going to be a little short, just be decisive. Let me know when you're going to break out. Let me know when you're going to break down so I can get that ball out and I can read you. I don't need you to have 15 steps where you're slow. I think you're going to go to the left and then you go to the right. No, be decisive.

If you're decisive, I will find you and that ball will be out and it will be right on point. That's what he said. What's the biggest misconception of him, you think? The biggest misconception of Tom Brady. I think is that he's cool. Is that, yeah, he is cool. No, I think that's the biggest misconception. He's not that cool.

Depends. That's the misconception right there. Because he's cool when he's comfortable. He's cool, but no. If he's comfortable in the situation. I think he's not cool when he's comfortable. I think when he's around us, he's kind of like a dork. Yeah, a little bit.

And then when to everyone else, he's the coolest guy, which I still think he's the coolest guy ever. But then when you have him around, you're like, he's really kind of a, dork. There's some situations where, you know, if he, if he's comfortable, he's more himself. Yes. Yes. And he's more like, you know, like like dad joking. Like if he knows, like all the cameras are shut off. Like he can finally just have some time to beat Tom. Yeah. He's kind of dorky. Yeah. He's got dork. Okay. Okay. I like this. But you need a little dork in your,

in your, your quarterback. You do. Mostly all quarterbacks are a little dorky. And that's what makes some quarterbacks. I mean, not all of them, but I'm saying it's kind of like just a trait. What quarterbacks have. But a little bit, just a little bit in them. He is cool, but he's a little dorky. But you just said he's not cool. No, I said the biggest misconception. He's cool. He always keeps a chip on his shoulder. Always. Always. That's not a misconception. I think everyone knows that. That's work ethic. I know, but I'm just giving some facts about him.

What else is a misconception? That he's not clutch. No, that's not even a misconception. Everyone knows he's clutch. Yeah, that's... Yeah, I just wanted to try to throw you off, Jules. How about this guy also played baseball and got drafted? Yeah, by the Expos.

Montreal. Yeah, no wonder why he didn't go and play baseball. The Expos? I mean, they have a cool hat. they do got cool colors they're gone though they're not even there no more that's what I mean that's why he didn't want to go there he's like oh man my legacy I go there the team's gonna be gone

that means I'm gonna be gone I want to last forever I'll go to the New England Patriots instead yeah he was in high school when he got drafted he went to the same he went to the same high school he was going to the Patriots yeah he went to that I remember well we grew up in the same area so he went to the same high school as Lynn Swan Barry Bonds

there's like so many really good athletes to come out of that freaking school. Sarah, it's an all-boy school. What was the moment that Tom made you the most annoyed? Oh, my God. When I would return punts, like, I remember my rookie year. It was the freaking preseason game. It was my first punt return, and there was a repunt. And I ended up house in the second one, but the first one, I see Tom on the sideline. And he's got a little anxiety because it's his first game from his knee. So he's like, he was like coaching me up on how to return a punt.

He's like, just get up, just get up, you. I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at him, like, fuck this guy. This guy has never done this. He does not know what I'm feeling right now.

I was so annoyed with them. And then they repunted it, and I housed it, and I fucking slammed the ball against the thing. I was fired up, and I was like, I was so annoyed with them.

I was like, this guy, he's never felt what it feels when the guys are running full. This is new to me. I didn't ever felt it either at the time. So I was like, fuck this guy. Let me do what I got to do.

He doesn't know how to run. And I was so annoyed with him. I'll tell you mine. What was yours? When I was a rookie and I couldn't get outside of the defender on a flag route, which is flag route, which is a corner route. So you run about 10, 12 yards and you, you know, you give a little stick and you break it 45 degrees and run a corner route. And the defender was always outside of me sitting at like squatting at 10 yards. And he's always says, get outside.

If you have a flag route, corner route, you got to get outside of the defender or I will never throw you the freaking ball. So I was a rookie. I was kind of like clunky. So I wasn't really that athletic as a rookie. You know, I wasn't running routes. Tired.

We're double days and shit. Yeah, I was tired as well. I couldn't get outside. And in practice, I didn't get outside of the guy. He's like two, three yards outside of me too.

And I'm trying to fake him like I'm going inside and trying to get around them on the corner. And Brady just turns around in the meeting because it's on film. And he turns around. He goes, Gronk, I'm fucking done throwing you the ball. I told you 50 times to get outside.

You're not getting outside. And like I got all sad. And Al J Crumpler started patting my leg. And he's like, it's okay, grunk. He doesn't mean it. And I was like, yeah, he does. LG. He means it.

And let me tell you, this time you fucking throwing me the ball like a thousand times after. So I knew he was all bullshit, Tom telling me he was never going to throw me the ball again. I was literally like, but that fired me up. I was like, oh, all right. I'm going to show this guy. But that's the leadership. he had. He was brutally honest.

Brutally honest. And he would freaking get you to go to the next level, which was crazy, which was crazy. He was so good at it. But I was so annoyed because I couldn't get outside of the guy. I'm like, I want to be like, Tom, run the freaking route. I guarantee you can't get outside of the guy either. He's three yards outside of me.

And then if I got outside of him, it was basically like an out route I was running because I would have to flatten it so much. So I couldn't really run the corner route. Then you get the other responsibility to the other guy. But he just wanted to get a defender in practice is playing the play. Yeah. And And he knew the play. He just wanted to get the point across.

Yeah. Like, so it was just always in my memory. And every time I ran a route, it was kind of just like on autopilot just to get outside of the defender. So I was annoyed at that, you know, with that situation. But, you know, times have changed. I started running routes where I would go inside the guy. And then he would still throw me to ball as well later on because he's like, all right. He proved it enough that you can do it.

Well, then you guys started throwing the back shoulder shit. Yeah. And then we started doing all that. I also used to get really annoyed when in meeting rooms, if he liked you and this, I felt both of these. I felt when he liked a guy, he would like love them up and then there would be so, like, when, when Wes was there, I get so annoyed when I would do the exact same thing that West would do. And he, he wouldn't think it was good. And I would get so fucking annoyed with them.

But I remember when Wes left, then I was that guy, there was guys doing, trying to do what I would do and he wouldn't so like I would get annoyed with that so much when he would always bring up like babe just do it a little more like wessie he called him wessie when he called him wessie remember wessie I used to get so annoyed you want to know what I would get annoyed with him too is like we're in the off season we just ran 50 routes it's like you and i out there only we're dead tired it's 90 degrees outside middle of the summer and he'd be like one more just one more route because he's just throwing the ball his arm can throw 150 passes a day and we're running freaking 50 routes and he could be one more so then we would run run more we give it our on we're

about to throw up it's middle of the summer we probably are hungover he has no clue what that's like he used to he used to we didn't get to see him though yeah and then he became lame yeah he became lame for like a couple years now he back in the day i guess he wasn't lame if you're saying he's not lame he was lame okay say it jules no he was lame yeah Like when it came to that, it was lame. But we didn't get him when he was young. Yeah,

I know. He was already 33 when I first met him. And then I can tell you, I'm freaking lame at 33 years old. Exactly. Compared to when I was freaking 21 to 28 years old. You're right. Because when he was 23, 24,

he was the, you know, he was the best chugger on the team. He was. Like, he was a dude's dude. So back to the story, like, he'd be one more. And then you would, you would, run one more route and they'd be like one more and then you just be like tom i'm not

affin running one more i just ran 50 routes you know one more but one more you want to get better one more and then it'd be like 15 more routes and then finally it was the last one and it it was 50 and then you get to 75 he's like he just wanted 75 throws yeah he wanted 75 throws whatever tom says you do you got to you got you i remember those days man that's what made us great though. What was the moment that like you felt like you truly gained his trust and that he could rely on you even if you mess up again. He knows that you're still reliable. You know what I'm saying? What was that moment? What was that catch? What was that play if it was a practice or if it was a game? Well, because he loved he loved. He loved. You just were not playing when West was there. Okay, Jules?

No, but he you couldn't have Tom Brady's trust when you were on the bench. He didn't like bench players, okay. He didn't like it. It was when he left, he had no one, he had to trust me. He had to, all right. And then it was week, it was week one and 13 where we played Buffalo and we went out there

and we won. I had two touchdowns. And that's when I felt like, all right, because we had some we had some spurts where you know, Westwood, we get banged up and he wouldn't play. But he didn't like, trust me, trust me. Until you had

be the guy. Until you had to be the guy. Yes. And then he truly trusted you. And that's the situation, though. He doesn't really trust a guy that, you know, he's not able to throw to. He's just got to see it. 15 times a practice. You know, he has to see it. He has to do the repetitions with you in order to truly gain your trust. And it doesn't happen overnight. He gains your trust. And you gain his trust as well, you know, just over time, over time. I would say my situation was when we played the Chicago Bears, on the one on one panther route when i was going in the snow yeah versus bryan erlacker and he wanted the game i trust he wants to see me be physical that's what he always emphasized me be fucking physical gron you're 260 pounds you're going versus 180 pounds or linebackers that

you're still bigger than be physical and uh this was the play panther out one out run i run into the end zone kind of hit the guy with my shoulder and then turn around and the ball will be right there because when you're physical, you know, pushes the guy back a little bit when you use your shoulder, you turn around, then there's that little ounce of separation. And Tom can see that. He can see the field.

He can see all the separation in the world. He sees it. He can see every little detail that's going out on the field. And when he sees that little detail in that route, you know, with the physicality, he knows that you're going to be open. There's going to be a little window. I hit Brian Erlacker.

We practiced it. And that Friday, and he says, I want to see that in the game because I ran it great on Friday. So the game comes one-on-one versus, versus Brian Lerlacker, give him the shoulder, turn right around the balls right there, nice and low, where it's always supposed to be in the red zone. Boom, catch it.

And ever since then, I gained Tom Brady's trust right there and then on the spot, which was one of the greatest moments of my career. Yeah, I remember that. You know, you had to see it. That's what makes him, he's a dog, man. He's an assassin. He is an assassin. What's your favorite Tom memory?

My favorite Tom memory is, actually, this is one of my favorite, favorite memories of all the time, you know, when we were playing the Indianapolis Colts and I ran that five-yard out route, caught it versus Dequal Jackson. I did a little spin move. He kind of fell, did a little split. It was like very great route by me and great after the catch two. And then I'm running, you know, I'm going. There's a couple other guys and here comes Julian Adam in. Kaboom just absolutely levels Adams to safety, you know, gets them out of my way. I'm like, thanks, Jules for the block, you know. And then I'm running into the end. I jump over Butler.

Yeah. DB. Yeah, DB. What's his first name again? Darius. Yeah, Darius Butler, who was previously on the Patriots. And then he went to the Colts. And now he's doing a great job in the media.

He kills him. McAfee show. He's doing a great job. So shout out to Darius Butler. But I jumped over his ass. It made me look good. Flipped into the end zone. I looked like an athletic 180 pound wide receiver.

And then this was the moment. One of my favorite moments with him. Tom, loved the route, loved the catch, loved your block. He was so pumped up. He ran full speed from the 30-yard line and probably because I got him a touchdown on a play where it never should have been a touchdown. Yeah, yeah.

And he came running full speed and jumped on my back and went for a ride, man. He was like a pony on a horse, man. I brought him for a ride, man. I was carrying Tom Brady around in the freaking end zone. He was on my back. He was on my back. Put the pony on the horse's back. I was waiting for him to drop that quarter in so the ride can keep on going.

Yes. I didn't want him to get off. I was like, Tom Brady's on my back. Like, like, what else do I need in my life? Oh,

my God. Yeah, and it's one of my favorite pictures to sign to this day as well. I don't think he ever signed it. It costs like $5 billion to get him to sign a pitcher. So like, I always sign the pitcher of him on my back. And like,

I'm waiting for that pitcher to be worth a lot more money once he signs it a couple, you know, But he hasn't signed it yet. Man, that was a fucking fun play. That was a fun play. Thank you for that block. Oh, you level. Adams.

Adams. He's talking in the... He's a good safety too. We used to battle. He was with Denver a bunch. He battled us a lot, man. He brought it to and he wasn't scared. He was good.

Yeah, there is. There's a pitcher right there. There it is. There it is, man. He's going for a ride. I'm still waiting for those quarters, Tom. Oh, my God. There's Tim Wright right in the back too.

We won the Super Bowl this year, didn't we? Yeah, we were a Super Bowl this year. Yeah. I think it was. Who man was a tight end as well on the team. Tim Wright and Who man? I love who, man. What was your favorite memory, Jules?

My favorite memory was when we, it kind of, that 14, when he, we hit that route, he came up to me after. And he goes, that was a championship route, man. And like, it was nothing crazy. That's special. And he, you know, he goes, that was a championship play, man.

And then we didn't win the game yet. You're making me want a tear right now. Because him saying that's a championship route, that's a championship play. That means a lot. Yeah. And then afterwards, when he, we won, you know, like, that was his, that was Here we go. Hey, I'm Kelpen.

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And, you know, that all. that was just a fun memory. There's so, it's hard to fucking do one. All right. I mean, I'm going to start crying. I know,

me too. There's a lot of memories with Tom. It's just great to see him. He's doing so good in the broadcasting booth. I mean, if he just puts in 10% of the effort that he did with the game of football in his after career, in his post career after football,

he's going to have the whole world just. Which you know he is. To eat from. He's going to be successful. and anything that he does. And that's what he's going to do. He's actually going to go 100% all in with what he does. He's great in the booth, like I said.

And he's been improving so much every single week. And it just shows he is actually human. I mean, week one, he was good. He got the win, but he definitely could improve. And then all of a sudden, week two and three, you're like, what the heck? How did he just go from being like a rookie quarterback to a veteran quarterback in one week in the broadcast booth? So just shout out to him. I mean, he dedicates himself.

and he works on his craft like no one ever has before. And that's what makes him, you know, the greatest, the greatest at everything. He cares about making the people look right that give him opportunity. He does. That's, he cares about that. He takes it to heart. And he cares about showing the people that has passed on him that they've fucked up to. Yeah.

He loves that too. He likes that. So don't ever pass on Tom Brady. No, I won't. The only thing I'll pass on is that. I was kind of a little hesitant when I said he was lame, but he was pretty lame, except for when he wins a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay

and he gets hammered on a damn boat. Like, where was that fucking Tom around us? I was bullshit. I was waiting for that the whole entire time in New England. I was too. That's why I went to Tampa Bay. I went there for that moment. I didn't really want to play football again.

I just wanted that moment that I could actually get wasted. with Dom. But guess what? He was on a separate boat than me. I didn't even see him at the at that boat right. So guess what? I still never had a drink with Tom. It took me all the way until the roast to have a drink with Tom Brady. And that's why it was in the roast. I said, Tom, I never had a shot with you ever in my life for a drink. And he took a shot with me at the roast. So that was that was a cool moment. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's been 33 minutes. How long can we talk about this guy? I think maybe we should have him on again for another episode. literally, I got literally, I can talk about this guy all day long.

I can go literally two hours. The more we talk about them, the more stories that pop up in my head. Same. The more stories about him on the field, off the field, what it's like to be around him. We could talk literally for four hours straight, Jules. What kind of dude is Tom Brady? So what type of dude is Tom Brady, ladies and gentlemen? I think this is easy.

Freak, dog, whiz. I think this is easy. Dude, dude. I don't know. What are you? think? If it's easy, let's hear what it's easy. He's just a fucking dog. He is a dog. Mental, physical toughness, always motivated. He didn't have the pedigree. He was, he was, we saw the Brady six of the, the six guys before him taken in the draft. Like, he always had to go

the long road. He always had to work for everything. Even when he was at his top, they were always talking about someone else. He's a fucking dog. I wouldn't say freak, because a freak is like someone that has like the most athletic ability in the world and he didn't really have the most athletic ability but what's made him so great was that he didn't need the athletic ability because the dog was working harder than the athletic dog you know that wasn't the freak dog that really or the freaky person that wasn't really working i think he's got you know what i mean skillness he's got like like shooting like basically like it's kind of like an archer freak instincts he could throw yes he can like throw he can like throw

rocks really good. He could probably skip a rock really, really good. Yeah. He probably really good at pool. Yeah. Like ping pong. Ping pong. Well, I, I see it. Yeah, you always beat him. Never mind. He's not good at ping pong. Yeah, he gets really mad when he loses. See, that's a dog. That is a dog. That's a dog. He wants to go again, though. Wants to go again. He won't let you leave. He wants to go again. He won't let you fucking leave. I mean, we have even got to this guy's looks yet either. I mean, we can just say that he's a stud real quick just because of how good he looks. Yeah, I mean, he looks younger than when he got in the NFL.

Like his chin, jawline, freaking just facial. Beautiful blue eyes. He posts a picture the other day on Instagram. Like, he's got like a six pack now. Like his arms are jacked. I mean, he's doing two days. He is doing two days. He's doing two days right now.

He's got his body. He's still. So that's why maybe AI was fucking right. He's maybe AI. Is he coming back? Is he? Is Tom Brady? coming back. I don't know. He got six-pack. He got a little. His hair's looking as brown as ever.

He gave me the supplement. He saw my gray hair and he goes, babe. And he still play. Take this fucking Uisha. I think it's like Uisha, ooh or something. It's some Chinese medicine. And you put it in the shake. And I just had it. And my hair is already growing. Is it? Is my hair darker? That's why I don't have a hat on the show. I wanted to show off my hair because I had the Oisha product. It's like, ooh, I don't know how to pronounce it. It's Ushy, Ushy, ooh. Ushy, I got hair. I don't, it, whatever it is,

look at how good his hair looks. It's just good looking guy. Man, he's a dog. All right, he's a dog. He is a dog. It's official. Tom Brady is a dog. Man, we could talk about him forever. Forever. Standing at 6'4 3 and weighing 215 pounds.

This legendary quarterback was drafted first overall in 1970. Woo! We have a true throwback on our hands, ladies and gentlemen. 1970. Number one. I was negative. I was negative 19 years old in 1970.

I was negative 16. No, 26. No, I was negative 26 years old. No, you were born in 1986. 86.

Yeah, so 81986 minus 1970 is negative 16 years old. Yeah, I was just making, I want to see if your math was right. Well, thanks, Jules, for checking. on it and making me look like a superstar. All right. Well, this guy played 14 seasons in the NFL. 14. Oh, so you were negative 2 when he retired.

And I was negative 5. I was negative 5 when he retired. Man, so he's, this is old. We got an old buck on our hand. Who is this guy? Old, 1970s. He's there, all right?

I don't know who it is. Let's keep going. He was known for a strong arm and fearless style. Fearless. He let his team the four Super Bowl titles in six years earning two Super Bowl MVP's

with over 27,000 career passing yards and 212 touchdowns. A Louisiana native. He wore 12 his entire football career. Off the field, I think I know who this is now. I have a feeling. I'm looking at the pitcher so I know.

Well, I mean, I don't, you know, take shortcuts like that, but off the field, he's known for his charisma and humor, making him a beloved broadcaster and entertainer. Ladies and gentlemen, today's first 12 on 1212,

24 is who, Jules? Let's get on Terry Bradshaw. Let's roll, baby. Let's roll. Oh, Uncle Terry. All right, Julian. Uncle Terry. What's the first thing you think of when you hear Terry Bradshaw?

One word legend. Mm-hmm. I mean, I grew up. watching this guy every morning at 9 o'clock before the Niners games. Didn't really know his career. I mean, like, as a real football head until I got older, until we started like getting to research stuff, you always knew of who he was because he had four Super Bowls and he was part of the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is like a foundational organization for the

AFL, NFL, NFL. But then I got to, you know, then we got to work with him. And he's just like a fucking awesome dude. He's like just the best. He's such a good dude. And he, you know, he's been very. Such a big heart. Big heart.

And he's a superstar. And he makes you feel comfortable. Like in the world, when we jump into that world. of being, you know, in TV, Terry Bradshaw. I mean, he's, he's one of the reasons why Fox is what Fox is right now. He's a start. He's like, what is it? A parent founder?

He's a founder of the kickoff pregame show. He's a founder of the kickoff show. And him and how he's in there. Howie Long and Jimmy Johnson as well. Jimmy Johnson. And I think it started with James Brown. James Brown. James Brown, my guy.

Who went over to what, where's he at now? CBS. Let's not talk about because we have. Manifee now with us here at Fox. We got Kurt Menofi. It's a pleasure to have him. You know, I'm glad that switch happened. I don't know, J.B., but I can't imagine having anyone else besides Kurt Menofie.

Yeah, no. But back to Terry. He's just a, he's like a country dude. He has a story and a joke for anything. Do you remember the joke he got Brady on? Where he tells this long, he told this long story. He's got everyone. we're on this trip, a seminar,

and he's telling this story about a dog or something. And, like, he knows how to get the story going. I mean, it was a 15-minute, like, starting story or pitch. What do you call that? A 15-minute setup? Like, he was setting them up for 15 minutes. All for a five-second punchline. All for a five-s-step.

And you're, like, you're sitting there. Like, your jaw- We're all sitting there. Like, you're drooling, like, what's going to happen? next. He's that great of a storyteller. I forget the punchline, but all the other guys, Howie, Jimmy, Michael, they've heard that he tells this damn joke, but he's got, he's got Brady on the hook. Brady's sitting there shedding a tear. It's about some dog or something. This dog's dying or something. And I forget what the punchline is, but freaking Howie comes in and he goes,

oh, the old, yeah, that's a sad one. Like, everyone's in on the joke. Brady, who's the, like, Mr. Emotion is sitting there about to cry and then freaking Terry drops the fuck. And he drops a punchline, which I'm not doing any justice by not being able to tell the joke, but that's the kind of guy Terry is, man. He had the whole fucking casting crew involved in this thing to get Brady just to like let him know he's part of the team. How piss was Brady too? Oh, my God. He was.

Oh, he got him good. He's such a fun guy to work with because he's testing you always too, but he's always giving you little bits of advice. Yes, yes, yes. You hit it exactly right on. And Terry Bradshaw's for the people. He loves people. He loves entertaining people. He loves having conversation with people.

It doesn't matter if you're a kid, you know, if you're a middle-aged man, if it doesn't matter. Middle-aged woman, like older woman, older man. It doesn't matter. He loves conversation with people. He loves people. It doesn't matter what background you have. he's going to have a good time with you. And that's what makes Terry Terry as well.

It makes him a seven, you know. Greatest guy out there. He's testing you like you said, but at the same time, he's giving you career advice. And that's why I love working with him because he's always keeping you on your toes. And he makes me feel very comfortable at the desk. He really does. He kind of put me under his wing when I got there. I knew Terry from a couple times before from a few other appearances and we were hitting

it off. And the best was when I came in the Fox and my dad's a huge fan of him. And I just literally come right up to him. We already met a couple times already though, but it's my first time at Fox. I just never told him that my dad's a huge fan of him. And I walk up and you know how he's there, straight hands there. And I go, hey, Terry, my dad's the biggest fan. And everyone thought like I was going to come in as a big fan, you know, as the new young book, as a rookie.

And everyone just lost their mind. And I was like, oh. And Michael Strait, I was like, oh, it's his dad. That's the biggest fan, just to bust his chops as well. But Terry loved it. Everyone, my dad's age and above, even under, are huge fans of Terry. Everyone loves them. Not, you know, obviously because of his football skills and how much he did for the game of football for the NFL,

winning four Super Bowl championships in six years, but also his personality off the field as well, man. People love him. You know, he's just a guy that is down for anything. singing, dancing. Branson, what is it? Branson, Missouri.

Branson? I think he does a concert every year in Bronson. Branson, Branson, Missouri, the one from a, she's out of your league where they go on that vacation,

you know what I'm talking about? So I think he does, like he sings, he'll go do like shows. He's done stand up. He's done movies. His butt cheeks were in a fucking Ryan Reynolds movie.

He always, he talks about that. I mean, on the football field, though, I mean, everyone loves him off the football field. But, I mean, he played so long ago, 19, 17, 18, whatever, to 1984. Yeah. And it feels like he played in the 1800s, actually, because he played before we were even born.

But I, like you said, I didn't really know the game of Terry Bradshaw until I got a little bit older. Yeah. And I started working with him. And then I started going back and watching the history of football. And Terry Bradshaw, I mean, he's one of the leaders. And he's kind of like a co-finding. of bringing the NFL to a whole other level

and winning championships and creating the past game as well. I mean, the guy's got a strong arm. He's an exceptional leader. He's a gunslinger and he's resilient as well. I mean, he had one of the toughest coaches in the history of the NFL, you know, from what I'm reading and what I'm experiencing, watching documentaries about the Steelers and Terry.

This guy wanted to bench him. And he still went out and won Super Bowls. I mean, pretty incredible. I mean, he's clutched, mobile, his ability to extend plays too when we were watching his highlight. Tough as hell. Tough as nails, man.

I mean, the way those guys were getting hit back then, like he always tells me these stories about him when he breaks, he's breaking his back and stuff and guy, like he comes back two weeks later. And like those guys were on a whole different gridiron. Like, we're tough football guys. And yeah, the game's probably a little faster and bigger now. But I mean,

when you watch guys back in those days, play, it looks like it's illegal. Like forearms to the face, taking guys down by their face masks, fitting on a guy when he's down, fucking people's elbowing. The things that we got in trouble for were like legal in this time. And he played 14 years and had two back-to-back Super Bowl runs.

That's what people don't realize. He went back-to-back. They didn't win a couple and then he went back-to-back again, which is fucking crazy. the Pittsburgh Steelers are like one of the most popular organizations in football because of Terry Bradshaw and those teams like setting that stage or an early, early, early football, which isn't like early, early, early football, but like 70s football is early, early, early football, which I mean, I went to Kent State. So that's right. That's like two hours from Pittsburgh. And I just remember there was always so many fucking Pittsburgh steeleers. fans everywhere around there. There'd be a lot of Cleveland Browns fans, but

so many Pittsburgh Steelers fans everywhere. They travel, and it's because of Terry Bradshaw in those 1970 teams. Would you say he is the original TB12? Yeah, he is. I mean, I think Tom Brady wasn't a glee

in his mom and dad's eye yet when he was winning Super Bowls. When was Brady born? 75? It actually makes a it so fun being on the set with what makes it so fun you know working with terry though being on the set and now that tom brady is with fox as well is that i get the joke who my favorite tb12 is you know and it's whoever's treating me nicer at the time yeah so tom comes in you know i'm asking

him a question and he gives me props i look at terry i'm like terry tom's my my favorite tb12 right now and then terry gets all mad and upset and then he goes but grunk i love you and you're doing this great you're doing this great. And I look back up at Tom. I'm like, hey, the original TB12 is my favorite TB12, Tom. I'm sorry. I love just working it and playing. It just makes a lot of fun.

And that's why it's so fun working at Fox 2, just with the teammates that we have is just, you know, unbelievable. Have you heard that Tom Brady and alias story? I have actually. From Terry. Yeah. So Terry will. Let's hear it. It's unbelievable story.

It is surreal. In 1983, when he needed to, to get an elbow surgery. He didn't want it to be in the paper, so he used an alias name at the Louisiana hospital. You know what that name was? Tom freaking Brady. Tom Brady, you can't fucking write that.

And then the original TB12 basically faked, named the current TB 12? That's fucking gnarly. That's some psychic shit. Yeah, he was also, Terry Bradshaw was number one pick to live up the expectation from Louisiana Tech to be the number one pick, small country boy to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers

and win four Super Bowls, that's fucking crazy. Crazy. He was a flat out winner. And what I love about Terry 2 is nothing stopping that guy still to this day. I mean, whatever gets in his way, whatever gets in his path, he just keeps climbing over it and just keeps on going.

He's always ready to go 24-7. I'm 35 and I look at, at him sometimes throughout the full day at Fox. And I'm getting tired. And Terry never getting tired. Never. Always ready to go. Boom, boom, boom.

Always on point. Always giving a one liner. Always talking football. Always breaking down to play. He's just immaculate. And I love learning from him. And I love being under his wing. And I love working with him as well, man.

Is he immaculate? Like the reception? Ooh. And then also one, one on a serious note, I'm pretty sure Terry Broadshaw was like one of the first. NFL guys to talk about mental health back in those days, which, you know, it's talked about all the time now with football players and athletes, and it's pretty norm now. But it wasn't like that when we were playing.

Like people were, you know, there was a stigma or a perspective or a perception on guys that wanted help mentally or if you wanted to go talk to someone. And like to have a guy like Terry Bradshaw in the 70s who was a fucking icon, you know, talk about his mental health. That's a big part for why we are we're at right now in sport, you know, being okay to like talk about your mentals. You know, as what is it? Marshawn Lynch says you got to protect your chickens.

You know, Terry Bradshaw was protecting his chickens back in the day. Mm-hmm. I like it, Terry, man. I appreciate everything that you've done. But I got a question. Oh, real quick. If Terry's alias name was Tom Brady, what would your alias name be, Jules? Ooh.

I'll tell you mine right after. Mine's pretty good. And it's understandable. My alias, an alias name? I would go with... Would it be Danny Amandala? No, I think he would go with Francisco. Francisco Delaware.

Francisco Delaware? Yeah. But that's how you would call, like, the hotel and be like, what name would it be under? Francisco, Francisco Delaware. Yeah. Francisco Delaware. I'm not even going to ask you where that can.

What's yours? Mine's Bobby Whiskers. Because I got whiskers all over the place right here. Like my hair's growing in. I kind of shaved last night. Bobby Whiskers? That's a good fucking name. Bobby Whiskers goes really well.

And it works every time. That's like an Italian, like wise guy, like nickname. And Bobby Whiskers. My friend one time he came into my hotel room drunk and he got on the phone to call room service. And you know how they answer? And they say your name. They're like, hello, Mr. Whiskers.

How may I help you? And he pissed. jaw dropped. He goes, Mr. Whiskers, and he looks at him, he goes, you're freaking Mr. Whiskers? And then he gets back on the phone, yes, I'm Mr. Whiskers. I fucking gave me eight cheeseburgers, and he hung back up, and then eight cheeseburgers

came. Wait, so you actually use this in alias name? Yeah, all the time, actually. Bobby Whiskers. Oh, I can't wait, too. Time. What kind of dude is Terry Bradshaw? I mean, I feel like this one's pretty easy, you know.

I mean, he's obviously a dog when you play in those days. In the 70s, everyone had to be kind of dogish. I'm just going to put it out there. You had to be a dog to play in the fucking 70s. I mean, when you're getting your teeth. Mentally tough he was too. You're getting your teeth kicked in and then you're going to work at the gas station in the off season.

That's a dog. He's a great dude. He is. I mean, at work, he's a guy. He's a glue guy at work whenever we work with him nowadays. like he's always talking shop and he'll make his rounds to like everyone and you know want to go out to dinner have a good time with you have a drink with you he definitely we did big time we did go gambling once we played craps and he's never played craps before and and i'm i'm not joking

terry was rolling and he rolled for fucking 61 minutes 61 minutes we had to get it Why not add eight more minutes to that? I wish he would have. But I took it. Dude, I won so much money with Terry. And, like, I'm sitting there like, Terry, give me a fucking, a Tom Rat. And he's like, what's that?

And he's thrown. I'm like, it's a 44. Like, is that good? I'm like, 44. Yeah. He's like, did we win? I'm like, yeah, we won, Terry. Oh, Joel, you're getting to be excited right now.

I want to go to Vegas with you, brother. So he's definitely a dude's dude. He is a dude's dude. But I would stamp home as. a dog because of the era that he grew up in and just what he did too under his head coach wanting to bench him and him not, you know, nothing ever facing him. He's also what's done though.

Winning four Super Bowls in six years as well, which is pretty incredible. That's crazy. I mean, I mean, what are we going to do? Is he going to, what are we going to break him down as, Jules? On three, one, two, three, dog. Stamp it. All right, let's go. Let's get on to our next.

now it's time that we're going to get on a dude. And we're going to get on a dude that's a big name in this year's draft. And that's your only hint. Give me the AI. We haven't done this in a while. Give me the AI summary of this. Oh, no way. This draft pick.

Start the clock. The AI synopsis. 10 minutes. Ready, steady. Go. AI. Standing at 6'2 and weighing 223 pounds. This quarterback dude has made his mark and.

college football history. He grew up in West Columbia, Texas, and played high school football at Columbia High, where he earned first team all district honors. He is projected as the potential number one overall pick in the 2025 NFL draft after a standout season at Miami, where he won the Manning Award and ACC player of the year, as well as setting the NCAA Division I career touchdown record with 178. First off, I didn't know there was a Manning Award, so we should talk about that what the Manning Award is.

Yeah, me neither. So let's talk about that. Let's see what that award is. I kind of want to win the Manning Award. I love the Manning award. You have the Manning Award. You're on every commercial. Like post-retirement you have the Manning reward because he's there, the Mannings are on every commercial, now you're on. I out Manning the Manning's.

It should be the Grankowski Award. His rapid development, elite arm talent and clutch performances have elevated him from a zero star high school recruit, zero stars. Zero stars. I got to hear about his journey, man. I didn't know he was a zero star recruit. If you're a zero, that's bad. Yeah.

And this dude was a zero. You got to be the first pick. Yeah. About the hell of stars. All right. Bucket him from a zero star high school recruit to the draft's top quarterback's prospect. Let's get on to Cam Ward. Oh, old Cam Ward.

Award, man. All right, let's get back to that Manning Award real quick. What is the Manning Award? I never heard about it. What's the Manning Award? It's probably an elite award. It's got to be. College quarterback award, Peyton Manning Award.

Payton Manning did light it up in Tennessee. He did. He lit it up at Tennessee. I mean, all the mannings have lit it up in college and in the NFL, which is just incredible. So I understand why there's a manning award. Yeah, and this, and Cam Ward got it. Mm-hmm. Now, best quarterback in college football.

Without a doubt. It's my understanding. Oh, it's named after Archie. Yeah, it's named after Archie and the whole family. Makes sense because it started in 2004, and I think Peyton was still playing. So, like, you don't really get a Ward named after you until, like, you're totally done with your whole career.

But Cam Ward, this guy's a stud. Not like that. But this guy's made his own path. I mean, going from a zero star to what was the first school he went to, incarnate word. in Texas, FCS. Then he went to Washington State,

balled out, entered the draft, didn't like where he was potentially going to go, plays it smart, let's make $5 million bucks, Miami, and bets on himself.

And now he's going to be the first pick, and it's not even really close. I mean, he reminds me, I heard someone say it, I forgot who said it. He reminds me to Steve McNair,

and it's really cool that he's potentially going to be in Tennessee where Steve McNair balls. I mean, you look at his, he's always on balance when he's throwing. Like, he see his feet in his, he's always on balancing, he always has his feet with him when he's about to throw.

I like his arm. That's good quarterback mechanics. Good quarterback mechanics. He had that one where he rolls to his left and he flips his hips and he hits the guy in the back of the end zone, like across the field, not like way across the field, but over the field. But he flipped his hips like a shortstop and he slang that thing. Like I always see him with really good.

feet and he's pretty damn athletic. I think he's going to be a really good football player. I hope that he gets paired up with the play caller that adjust to his game because that's a huge part to the development of these young quarterbacks. It's the ecosystem that he gets in. So I hope Tennessee has this prepared because, I mean, he ran a four, four eight, six two, not a runner runner, but he has athleticism. You see him in the pocket. He's very elusive in the pocket. What do you think about this guy? Well, can you just go back reiterating when you said he went into the draft or to the combine and he didn't like where he was going to get drafted?

And then he went to the University of Miami. So that's something new that I just learned. You can still enter the draft, go to the combine. And if you don't like where you're going to be selected or projected, you can go back to college? Can you explain that to me? That's a rule now? Did he go to the combine? He went to the combine.

How did that happen? He initially entered his. name. He entered his name. Decided. All right. No, I'm not going to, I'm not going to draft. I'm going to transfer to Miami. Okay. Now, was that a, see, was that a, was that a negotiation ploy to get more money from a school? Like this, this is like, it's all about leverage. Lverage. It is. So he wanted to John L.A. in college. So he wanted to improve his draft stock and capitalize on NIL. So he decided to transfer to Miami from Washington State. I mean,

that's impressive. And if he was projected as a fifth rounder, I think it was. So his contract would have been like a three year, five million dollar deal. So he went back to college, made all that money, NIL money. And now he's projected probably to sign like a 30 to $40 million deal.

If he's the first pick of the draft, I mean, that's how you count on yourself. That's a guy that knows what he's doing because he's been counted out his whole entire life, being a zero star from the beginning coming out of high school. So he knew that he could just keep on capitalizing, keep on gaining, and keep on improving, you know, and that's why he went back to college to the University of

Miami. And here's my story about Cam Moore. I had no clue who Cam Ward was, you know, I don't follow college like that much. You know, you know all the big guys. I follow the University of Arizona. I watch a couple of games. Tough. We got to watch a lot of football. We've got to watch a lot pro football. We'll talk about that. Exactly, Jules. Exactly. I know the NFL, I know all the guys inside and out. But I just have this game on, you know, at my house. There's a football game on at my house. And I'm just peeking at it, doing some work, you know, on my computer. And that's why football is so great as well.

Because you can just put a game on in the background. And you can just, you know, do peaks and just get entertained real quick. Then go back to work, whatever you're doing, hanging out with your friends. It's a little situational stimuli. Like, oh, third and eight, cool. All right. No. Or fourth and goal.

Okay, I'll watch this. Oh, red area target. Oh, hell merry? Okay, I got to watch this. Hold on one second. He's airballed him out and a half. Oh, shit. Oh, he sucks.

Back to business. Hey, hey, man. Rolex situation. Oh, my God. Fucking mailman's always late. First and 10, I give no shit, you know, back to work. Let me get my work done. Fourth and goal.

Okay. Let's see what's going on. All right. So I'm just peeking at the game. And there's just quarterback that's just dominating. Like, his talent level is just that much higher than everyone out on the field. And I'm like, this guy. is special. Like this guy looks like an absolute animal, absolute beast. And it looks like it's high school

football because of how talented this guy was compared to everyone else out on the field. So I seen like a big run and I see another big run and I see some crazy pass. And then I didn't really look who was playing. So then he caught my attention that much. I'm like, all right, let me see what team, what team this is. Who's playing? And I look and it's the University of Miami. I think it was versus Virginia Tech. And I'm like, this is Division I football. This is the University of Miami. Well, Cam Ward was making it look so easy out there out on the football field that I

thought it was a high school game and some absolute five-star football player just absolutely dominating everybody else. That's how special he was. And I was just peeking at the screen. And that's when I fell in love with Cam Ward. And I was like, this dude is an absolute monster out there out in the field. And then I tuned in for rest of the game. And I'm pretty sure it was that Virginia Tech game.

It could have been another game, but they were down. He came back, threw a bomb, had like a 20-yard run touchdown, you know. And it was just incredible what he was doing out on the field. And then I looked him up right there on the spot. And he was a projected top five pick. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense now. But just that story alone, like to come from a zero star, to go to the school I don't even, never even heard of, to Washington State, playing a Pact 12 when it was the Pact 12,

then go to Miami, bet on himself for one more year. I mean, that's a great story. I can't wait to watch him, but I watch his film. And like how he even pats the ball, like Steve McNair. And like he's always on balance in the pocket, and he keeps his eyes down the field. I'm just so, I just hope that, you know, Tennessee can surround this kid and he has an actual shot, you know, you wouldn't want to see that go to waste.

But, I mean, yeah, he holds Miami single season records for yards, 4,300 plus yards, completion of 305, 39 TD passes, 67.2 completion percentage. I think that was 1.8% too low, Julian, if you can do that math. So he was a little down there. I might take him number two over. overall now, not number one overall. I think he, you know, he slid in the drafts, you know, his drafts not because of that. But has the most career division won touchdowns,

178. So that's combined passing and rushing, correct? It's got to be. I mean, yeah, for sure. The guy runs like a freak of nature. So he's running touchdowns all over the place. He never looked like he got caught from behind. No, he never did.

He doesn't look like he's a burner, but he's a, like Steve McNair. I don't think Steve McNair ran crazy fast, but you watch Steve, man. he was like, he reminds me of him. It's crazy. I think Dan Orlowski said something about it on one of his shows. And I was like, and I started watching, I'm like, this motherfucker really does look like Steve McNair.

And I loved Air McNair. He was so fun to watch. And McNair played for the Tennessee Titans. I know. Houston Oilers, right? Well, Houston Oilers and Tennessee Titans. Something like that, I think. I'm guaranteeing this guy is the number one pick in the draft.

Guarantee it? I'm guaranteeing it. All right. I'm taking it. I feel like he solidified it as well at his pro day. He absolutely dominated his pro day. And I think he should be the number one pick as well. I just love the way that he plays the game.

He can throw the ball, he can run the ball. Smart player too. Zero star recruit because he was in a wingtie offense. That's huge part of why he was zero star. That's all like counter shit. I played against that. Well, that's probably... 1998 Super Bowl game against Naperville Redskins.

We ain't never seen the wing tea before coming from the west coast of Redwood City went over to the parking lots of Disney World saw these kids running a wingtie in the walkthrough. We're like, what the fuck are we getting into? And yeah, it's a bunch of guys just running a bunch of different shit all the time. It's very tough.

And so it's hard for the quarterback to get any notice. He only averaged 12 pass attempts. Well, that's probably where he learned how to run the ball. That, exactly. Exactly. I mean, this is going to be fun. I'm excited to see and you don't hear anything bad about him. I haven't heard anything like he's not a problem to be around

like regardless of what you want to say about Shador Sanders, people talk about him for being there's something there. You know, of some kind of something. I haven't heard of any of those kind of stories with Cam Ward. I don't know if that's media shit or this or that. But like he's seems to be like a good like liked guy in the locker room. Well, I can tell you this. If you're a zero star, you got to be level headed and you got to be going in the right

direction. Because if you're a zero star and you're causing problems in life, you're never going to get any opportunities. You can be a five star and cause 500 problems in your life, but you're going to keep getting chances. But when you're a zero star, they're just going to overlook you if you have a background of bad behavior as well. So clearly, you know, the football gods are on his side because he seems like a great

dude, you know, and that's why you probably haven't heard anything, you know, intangible about them. So for all you young kids, if you think you're a zero star, you still have a shot because Cam Ward was a zero star. Now he's about to be the goddamn first pick of the national football league draft tonight. All right? Time! What kind of dude is Cam Ward? I don't know, Julian. I think you said it right at the beginning, right off the bat. No. No. It was 10 minutes ago or like 20 minutes ago. So I think I forgot. I got hit in the head a lot since I got drafted 15 years ago. And the second round, 40 second pick overall. I can remember that still.

I said he was a stud, but he's developed himself into his stud, but he wasn't always a stud. And a stud is always a stud. That's a good point. Mm-hmm. Okay. With zero stars ain't studs. You know what they are? Dogs? They're fucking dogs. Mm-hmm. Okay? And he's right up my alley.

I was a fucking zero star. Mm-hmm. I was a zero-star. That's why you ain't a stud. No. No. Maybe for breakfast, you can be a studly muffin, but that's all. Studley muffin?

You're a dog, Julian. You were a zero-star. You know what? And that's from the stories we've been talking. Loser, I was a four-star. I think I was a two-star. Yeah, you were, because if you get an offer, you're automatically a two-star.

If you go Division I. He didn't go division one. I went to Juco first. I had to go to Juco. Oh, so you were a zero star. Zero. You know that game? It's either a zero or a one.

You were a zero. Well, no, who wasn't a zero? Cam Ward. And we already just declared what he. He's officially on three, one, two, three. Dog. Dog. Yeah.

I mean, the story of him being zero star to what he is, gambling on himself to come back, transfer to Miami. It's honestly, these new stories, that are going to be developed with this new rule system, you're going to see a lot of this kind of story, I bet. Guys that start at a lower level school,

dips to another school, then goes to another school. I mean, that's what happens when you're a free agent every year. And you're not really going to see that guy that's Division 2, that's Dominion and get drafted really anymore because he's going to get scooped up in the transfer portal now and go Division 1, you know,

before his junior and senior year. So you're not really going to see that. Cinderella type player anymore, which is kind of disappointing a little bit. It was always so fun. It's kind of like March Madness. I mean, you got four number one seeds going at it for the final four. Why? Because they're powerhouses. Every single year, they're going to scoop the best players and pay them. It's not like you're going to get the 16th seed and just some random guy that developed late in college, you know, dominating, you know, on some no-name team. He's going to get scooped up from that no-name team and get paid and go to a powerhouse program.

Leave with the coach. You know, so you're not really going to see that anymore, even in the NFL. So it's basically going to be all Division I guys that are going to be drafted now. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be a select few division two, maybe one Division III guy drafted, but I'm sure they're all going to be from top schools now. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn.

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It's too great what kind of dudes Each guys are or dude Oh, well, I got really off track Because I thought it was to be silly I mean, we're silly while we're doing it Oh, well then we're both on the same page 100%. We both have our own goals

Yours is to rate dudes, mine's to be silly Sometimes you got a rated dude to be silly You're okay, well let me rate another dude Let's go. Who are we ready next, Jules? This is a German episode. The Germans are very serious. I'm sorry for joking around and trying to make people laugh and be silly.

It's a serious show now. Nine! That means no in German. This beer tastes like Sauerpatch Kids. It's not really sweet and tasty. It's like a wine. It's a hefen, I think. Well, it's very good.

There's got to be sugar in here or something. I'm telling you, it's really sweet. I think that's like a huge part of beer. It's delicious. Sugar. Pops. Is that what they do? That's how it makes the alcohol. Really?

Yeah. Really? Okay. I didn't know that. All right. Hops. Let's get on to Amin Rae St. Brown. What is the AI have to say about Amin Rae St. Brown?

Start the clock. Amman Ra St. Brown. A standout wide receiver for the Detroit Lions is known for his precise route running and reliable hands. Since his debut in 2021, he's clear. consistently shown his talent amassing 346 catches for 3,87 yards and 24 touchdowns. Man. He made a name for himself at USC before hitting the NFL. With German roots adding an interesting twist to his backstory, St. Brown carries a rich heritage.

Off the field, he's known for his genuine down-the-earth nature and commitment to giving back to the community. He's for the kids. He's a good guy. I watched him on receiver. Hard working guy. That's for sure. He's been working his butt off ever since he was a young buck doing all the ladder drills. His dad was there to train him.

That was Mr. Universe twice. How crazy is that? Twice? Whoa. There's like videos of Amal Ra and his brother who's also in the league. What's his name? Equidinius.

Yeah, I'm not reading that. That's so hard. Equanimius. You want to know what equaminius means? What is it? Well, there's like, sometimes I, like, just know things. Like, it's just wild. You're going to probably be mind-blown.

But equidemiis, there's things I can't say, but there's things I know. Equanimous. It's the Egyptian god of medicine. Oh, Emoeotep is the Egyptian god of medicine. Oh, my gosh. Okay, let me redo that one. Hold on. Hold on.

Do I know what equanimous? Aethop toppings? Emo hot tip? Yeah. Emohat tip? What does it mean? The Egyptian god of medicine. That's tough to say.

And I can't believe you knew that. I just know things like that. So Amirah is the Egyptian king of gods. A quamonis emotep is the Egyptian god of medicine. Osiris is Egyptian god of death. Hey, those are some badass names. His dad had a plan for these kids. He definitely had a plan.

And they're going out and they're executing. I'm such a fan of Almemarle, St. Brown. You want to know who he reminds me of? The way that he plays the game. the way that he runs his routes, bowl routes, in cuts, out routes, like you, Jules.

Like you? You guys are very similar, my man. We do have similar game, I feel. I mean, because he moves around a lot. He's great with the ball on his hands.

And most importantly, you both are boxer ripped. He's ripped. You're ripped. He's ripped. You guys have similar built. Same height, I think.

I'll tell you, 510. 5'10. What's this high? Oh, never mind. He's 6 foot. I'm sorry, Jules.

He's six foot. But you're both ripped central. He's fine. He's diesel. He's versatile. He makes big catches. And I'm excited for him in the Detroit Lions. I mean, he's going to be a cornerstone of this organization and where they're going in these next few years.

And hopefully it's to the top. I think it's time for Detroit to have their time. He has great yak ability. When he catches the ball, he makes guys miss. Always. He's strong runner. Strong lower body. He doesn't just help all the team.

He helps out Jared golf tremendously. as quarterbacks love players. Yack daddies. I mean, it just pets their stats big time. And I mean, he can track that ball. Yeah. He's good at tracking the ball. He tracks the ball.

He's really good at that. And I would say that might pertain to, you know, some training with his dad. Because when I was growing up, my dad would hit tennis balls at us, like really high. And we would have to track the ball. And then he would hit it like full speed at us too. So our reaction time would just improve week and week out as a kid. So he kind of had a similar, you know, style. growing up, brothers, obviously, to compete with.

And then also his dad, you know, putting him through drills and training right away as a kid. So being able to track a ball just goes way back to when you're a child. And he does a great job with it on the football field. 100% had crazy dad that made him do crazy drills. I'm on part of that club as well. I remember my dad when I was getting into the league to return punts. I never caught punts, really.

You know, I did a little in college, but I was a quarterback. And I would get on the press box at the high school and punt off the press box while I had those a pair of sunglasses that were taped with one eye closed. So I had to catch a punt off of my dad kicking it off the press box when my sister was throwing little like tennis balls at me. So distract me. Like, you know, having the crazy, he definitely had crazy dad

that made him do crazy drills. You can just tell. Well, we did too. We did too. That's why we really liked this guy. Love this guy. Tough guy. He plays with toughness.

It's tough. It's crazy when one of your guys on your offense, one of the toughest guys in your offense is your receiver. It's very rare. And he's like that. He brings the toughness of that team, him and Pentee Sewell and a lot of the guys, but he's one of those guys.

You watch him in the run game, his blocking and the run game is huge. He goes in, lays hat on the safeties, digs guys out for force. You can put him anywhere. He makes catches in every spot. He can run ball down. He runs good go routes, too.

I mean, he's not just a slot guy. He's a versatile guy, ball great in his hands, hard to bring down, way faster than you think. He's elitely quick. He's stronger than what you think. He's a fucking good football player. That's why he getting paid. Hell of money. He getting paid $30 million.

$30 million? I think he's got $30 million contract. Oh, gosh. That's more than you made your whole career. Damn near close. I feel bad for you, Jules. I hope this podcast helped you out. Hopefully the podcast will.

I'm at raw, man, man. man. I'm trying to make slot receiver you. You come join, dude. Yeah. Can you also tweet out, you know, this podcast because we're just trying to make some money. Jules made his whole career, made $30 million, you know, which. And now you made it in one year. So can you help us out? Can you help them out?

Can you tweet us here? Man, please. Please. Thank you. Thank you. Do you think our dads could beat up his dad? Maybe if it was two verse one. Two.

Yeah. I think that would be tough. Papa. dog, Papa Granc versus Papa St. Brown. That would be a fucking... Coming to an arena near you. That's a cage match. My dad just got a hip surgery,

so I think he'd be a little out right now, but he bites some kneecaps. He'd do some Dan Campbell shit. I think Amman has been throwing a couple T-Ds as well, which is pretty cool. I've been watching, you know, Detroit Lions. I'm a fan of the Lions, actually, especially with Coach Dan Campbell. They're just fun to watch, and he fits the system.

100%. And he's bringing, you know, that type of style to life that Dan Campbell wants. And that's why he's such a great mold there in that organization. And it's cool because they do all the trick plays. And he's so versatile that he can throw the ball as well and do what, you know, they're asking him to do. So obviously you've thrown a couple of passes in your career. How would you rate his passes that he has thrown, Jules?

How many touchdowns he's got? He's got through a tuti to, what was it, 2004, Week 4 against Seahawks, had a receiving touchdown and a throwing touchdown and a passing touchdown. He threw it back to Jared Gough. Yeah, he did. He threw it back to Jared Gough. It looked like a tight spiral.

He's so strong that you know he got tight. He probably got a strong ass on. And he laid it in perfectly. Yeah, he could throw the ball. He could throw the ball. One trade I would say that Dan Campbell, I've seen him talking about him in a press conference, is just how consistent he is with his routine.

And to be a great player in the NFL. You've got to have a great routine, especially as you get older, especially as the years continue to pack on you. You've got to have that routine to be, you know, consistent so you can go out there and do what you need to do out on the football field. When you're 20, 21, 22, I mean, there's a little routine, but not as big of a routine that you need to be when you want to consistently be on top of your game

when you start hitting your mid-20s to 30s. And Amman Ross St. Brown has a routine. He's going to play for a while. And he's a great player out there. And just huge props of him for what he's doing in Detroit. Real mature of him to realize the routine, too. It's such a young part of his career. Like, if you're, that's a mature mindset.

If you're, that's like a pro. When you get in a locker room, you have your time dialed out for what you have to do to get your work in to make you better each and every day. And you could just tell he's a product of that routine. Does the same shit. Probably does the catching drills before the game, which I think he does. He has the weight, the weight routine. I bet you he does a lot of prehab. I mean, he's definitely a routine guy.

But his mom's from Germany, right? He speaks German. He also speaks French. He speaks English. He's got a great podcast with his brother, 33rd team. After scoring his first touchdown in 2023, you remember the little hip thrust thing he did? No, I don't.

Can you show me? The key and pill? He's like, yeah. Oh, no, I remember. He said he would have been flagged if he gave one more pump like the key and pill. He knew. He's a smart guy.

He knew one more pump. He speaks like six languages. One more pump and he's done. Oh, here it is. One pump. Two pump. And he stopped. That's, that's discipline.

That is discipline. Dan Campbell wanted to see that third pump too. Did he? He did. No, he wanted a 15-yarder? No. He wanted to see in the locker room after the game. Yeah.

Yeah, right. Dick Kimble. Crazy. Well, Julius, have you ever been flagged for a celebration? I have not. Oh, I guess. Really? I got fine for throwing the ball in the stands.

Yeah, that's not a flag, though. Yeah. Did you get flagging? I got, I did one time. I actually rock spike the football really hard. And Coach ballpark always hard. Don't spike it near an opponent because if it hits anyone, it's a 15-yard penalty. Yeah.

And I literally spiked it. It was versus Jets. I think it was a Monday night game. or Sunday night football. It was my second year in the league when I was going off, scoring all those touchdowns. And I gronk spiked it. And no one was around the ball.

Literally went like 15 yards that way. And it hit the guy in the shoulder. And there was a flag thrown. And then all of a sudden he was like, oh, whatever, personal foul number 87 on the offense. Penalty will be added on to the kickoff. And I was sitting there like, how did I just get a penalty? Like, what did I just do?

And I watched a replay and they showed the ball. going like 15 yards all the way over to the left and hitting the Jets player in the shoulder. Yeah, it was the weakest penalty I've ever gotten. Because you're too jacked. You literally threw the ball so hard at the ground and went 15 yards the other way. It was like the same power as Mr. Olympian, Mr. St. Brown. Mr. St. Brown. What a badass to have sons in the NFL like that.

And he's more jacked than all of them. I don't think he was. Well, he was. He was. Yeah, he was. Those guys are pretty jacked And they're you know The apples don't fall too far from the tree

They're all jacked man They're all jacked Would you rather have a dad that's Mr. Universe Or an arm wrestling world champ Tyson Bayeat Remember the backup QB on the Bears His dad over the top Fucking

Sylvester Stallone Trying to win the goddamn sell I would say an arm wrestle champion dad Of the world Because it just kind of last longer You know, you'll always have that power as an arm wrestler. Even when you're like, even when you're like 65.

I know. But I feel like that doesn't last as long. I mean, you're still going to be jacked, but like as an arm wrestling champion. But you're the most jacked guy in the universe, Mr. universe.

He's the jackedest. You would be the ultimate dude, actually, if you're the most jacked as person in the world. Yeah, arm wrestle talent's cool. Ask Danny and Dola that. I mean,

he broke someone's arm doing it. Yeah. Yeah, he did. We won't get into that. Wasn't it after a party? I know at a party after the Super Bowl? Yeah, you can't talk about that. All right, we're done.

We can keep that in because. Well, it was arm wrestling. I would have my dad be Mr. Universe in the most jacked man in the whole. Got it. I think I'm going 1,000% Mr. Universe fucking boom, bling,

blong. I'm going straight Jack, homie. Could you show me that again, please? Boom. bling I just never seen you in that character, Jules. That was pretty impressive, might.

Was that your German in you that, you know, you flexing like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. She's a gentleman in me. Time.

Well, what kind of dude is Amon Rae St. Brown? Amon Rae St. Brown. What kind of guy is he? I mean, he's a dog. Yeah, he is a dog. He's a dude. Is he a dude's dude? He seems pretty cool.

Yeah, he is cool. He's smart as fuck. He knows 10 languages. He's also a stud. Second round guy. Went to USC. He grew up in... You grew up in Anahe.

You grew up in Sokown. You get to go to USC. You're a fucking stud. That's just... You're a stud. He's a freak. He's explosive as hell. I wouldn't put him in that freak category, though.

I think he's more impressive because he's not so big. And he's not a freak. Yeah, you got to be huge to be a freak. Yeah, you got to be huge. huge or some like, D.K. Matt Caff. Freak. Dog, he's definitely relentless. Oh, he is relentless. He's definitely. He's, so. He's motivated big time as well. Every day he's self-motivated. Yes, he is. He's a self-motivated guy. He is juice. He is juice. All right, on, on a count of three, you think he is. I'll tell you what I think he is. On three, one, two, three. Dog.

He's a dog. He's, he's definitely. Did you say dog? I said stud. You said stud? I thought I heard dog. I said stud just because he's very athletic. But he's got that toughness in him, that gritty. He does. He does have some serious toughness to him. He's tough. To a level that is putting the Detroit Lions on the map, helping put them on the map. It fits Dan Campbell's program.

He's one of the flag carriers of that team, and that team is full of dogs. You want to know why he might be a dog then? Why I might go with you? Because he knows all 16 wide receivers that were. drafted ahead of him and he recites them before every game. And that is dog energy right there. That's fucking, he's a, that's a dog. That's like my dog, Ralphie.

He's smaller. And he can recite every big dog that goes by him. And he attacks him every time. That's like the 16 wide receivers that were drafted ahead of him. They were all bigger and better than him they were saying. And he attacks him and recites them before every game. That's some dog energy right there. That's some crazy shit.

And you got a hat. Yeah, that's a dog. That's a stamp. You're right. He's a dog. Let's move on to our first guest. Who's that? Who catches 100 balls every fucking year?

Travis fucking Kelsey. This guy's a production machine. What is A. I have to say about Travis, Michael, Kelsey. Start the clock. Now, Travis Kelsey is widely regarded as one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history. Oh, yeah.

Known for his exceptional receiving. skills and athleticism. So far, I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. Off the field, he is seen as a charismatic and dedicated individual.

He often praised for his leadership and community involvement. Kelsey has made a significant impact on the Kansas City Chiefs, helping them secure multiple playoff appearances and a Super Bowl victory. And out AI, not, you know, right here.

Super Bowl victories. You got to make it Polaro. He got, he got three. Yeah, he's got three. He's in the category. Yeah, he's got three AI. I mean, what they say? Just Super Bowl victory?

I knew we were smarter than AI. They're not there yet. Yeah. Yeah, Super Bowl and a Super Bowl victory says. All right. He holds several notable records, including the most consecutive in overall seasons with a thousand receiving yards by a tight end.

Recently, Kelsey has been in the spotlight for dating Taylor Swift, co-hosting the popular podcast, New Heights with his brother, Jason Kelsey. Killer. And becoming the chief all-time leader in receptions, surpassing the legendary Tony Gonzalez. Oh, wow. And there's still a myth about Tony Gonzalez that has not been solved.

The urban legend. The urban legend. We're not going to talk about it. We're not talking about. We're just going to let that be. This is about Travis. This is about Travis. Tony, we know that, no matter what you are the number one type.

end of the world because of that myth. Good things coming three with you. Yes. Good thing coming through with Tony Gonzalez. Oh, man. Killer Trave, man. Killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, trap.

He's so slippery. He is slippery. That's a good way to put it. Slippery. Smooth. Flexible. Functionalable. He's got like a very reliable.

He's got a very, I remember us talking about it. He just has that basketball body where like he doesn't get hurt. Mm-hmm. He's always, he's elegantly running when he runs. He's faster than what you think. And he's stronger than what you think. And he's always in the right position. Always in the right position.

He knows how to find an open hole better than any tight end I have ever seen. Finding an open hole? Yeah, in the defense, Julian. Okay. The defense, okay? If it's zone, you can find, you know. The soft spot. Yeah.

that's soft spot. The soft spot of the zone. And just sit in it and sit in it. What about man? Man coverage? Oh, man. He's got great bow rounds. You see him?

He got the top of his route. He's so like, like savagy. Yeah, savvy. Savvy. Savvy. Savvy at the top of the route. Like he can go to boom, boom, like a basketball player dribbling when they're on the top one on one crossing over.

Like he's got that. And that's what truly gets them open as well. And that's what makes him a great player is because of knowledge in the zone game. The ability to find the open hole, they'll find where the grass is so he can sit there and Patrick Mahomes can just dump it right to him. And then also the ability to just be so savvy at top of the route

and have that crossover type of skills. And then come, boom, make the DB confused or to safety or the linebacker. That's rare a linebacker on him. To make them confused what way he's going and boom, he breaks out and he has that separation. He can get that separation because of it.

And when he has that separation, you have a quarterback like Patrick. Mahomes. He's going to find you every single time and put that ball on the money. Can you keep him separated? What's that from? That's a song. Can you keep them separated? Is that? Ooh, dang. Who sings that again? I know who that is. I don't know. I'm getting a tattoo now. I'm getting ink done. That's the same artist, right? I asked for 13, but they drew a 30 with offspring. Offspring. Yes. Yes. You got to keep them separated.

I think that's the same song too, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it is the offspring. Nah, that. Well, Travis Kelsey is like an offspring. He's different from every tight end. He's one of the best ever to play. That's being an offspring right there.

Now, do you guys? Not a traditional guy. I got to ask you some. Yeah. Ask me, Jules. Ask me and I'll answer. I'm not scared. You ever get sick of people comparing them to you?

You know, there's really like not a comparison. I mean, you can compare us, but we're two totally different players to tell you the truth. And like it all depends on what type of scheme you're in as well. Yeah. You know, like what they ask him to do with the Kansas City Chiefs, I could not replicate what he's doing with the Chiefs. If you ask him to do what I was doing with the New England Patriots,

I don't think he could replicate, he could do it. Like I could do what he's doing, but I wouldn't have been able to replicate what he's doing with the Chiefs at that level. Yeah. And they know how to use a skill set. We have two totally different skill sets by far. Like, by far. Like he's savvy at top of the route.

I was, I'm going to run and I'm just going to go to the corner. And I'm going to outrun the guy. I'm going to use my body. I'm going to be physical. And Tom just throw the ball up. And if the guy's on me, I'm bigger than him. I'm going to use my body, box them out and just go up and catch the freaking ball. All right?

Just throw me the ball. There was nothing more to it. This guy has like eight moves. He's like a wide receiver out there. So we're two totally different players. You can compare us because we both wear the number. 87. So that's that's in comparison right there. But if he fit, you know, if you brought him to knowing a pitch, I don't think he would be able to do what I was doing. He would be able to do it,

but not to the capable level that I was be able to do it at. So we're different players, man. Yeah. Totally different players. He has mastered his skill set as well, just like I mastered my skill set and what I brought to the table. But I mean, I'm not, you know, sick of it. I mean, he's a great player. I mean, he definitely belongs as. the best tight end in the NFL or debatable as being the best tight end in the NFL due to his stats and what he has done for the position. But, you know, it's just an honor, I guess. It's an honor to be in the same category.

Now, what if you guys were both in the same team? I think we would be perfect to be both on the same team. I mean, I feel like we kind of counter each other. There's no doubt about it. Just the way, you know, like I was saying, how we were different players, his aspect of the game, how he, you know, can line up anywhere, how he can motion to any, any, any, point on the field at any given time. I was kind of the guy like, Tom, though I really got a motion across the line of

scrimmage. Like, like sometimes I was in the huddle, like, I'm Tom. I know I got a motion here, but I'm just going to line up over there. Man, I'm like too big to be motioning. Travis is lighter, you know, you can motion him around, you know, set him up. Yeah. I had that happen before. I remember.

Yeah. You know, I got a lot of mass. So we would compliment each other, unbelievable. and I would say that we would have been the best duel. I would say one of the best duels to play if we play with each other. Don't you think so? Without a doubt. Yeah.

I mean, we kind of had that. Yeah, we did. I was actually going to say that, that we would have broke the records of me and the other guy about, I won't mention names. We broke basically every record in the book when it was him and I,

number 85. Yeah. It was, I think he had like two numbers. I think he was 81 at first. and then number 85. Yeah. So we broke every record in the book for being dual tight ends.

Like we had like what, 26 touchdowns at year and like, I don't know, 2400 yards just between tight ends. Travis Kelsey and I together would have definitely matched those numbers or produced even more. Then you at Slat receiver, then Randy Moss out wide? Just there's so much clutchness going on in that. Who would be our quarterback there? Mahomes or Brady? Or would we have them both and one would play? at one half.

I got to go Brady. We got to go Brady. I know. I agree. Because we don't know, I don't know how to play with, we don't know how to play that scramble drill, second play within a play. That was not like our fort day. So those guys learn that.

That scramble drill, like Travis is always open when there's that second play within the play that Patrick Mahomes creates. And they've got on such a wavelength where he's always in the open position. And he knows where to go. He reads and scans the field. better than anyone and he always finds open and Mahomes always delivers this to him so it'd be different it'd be very different yeah the second phase of a play he's got that down to a science on how to get open I mean that's due to Patrick Mahomes being able to scramble like that but Travis is also

one of the most clutch players in the history history there's no doubt about it when it comes to playoff performances or are tough got all the numbers game he has all the numbers he has all the catches when it's when it's that time to make a play. And he's swaggy as fuck. He is swaggy. He's smooth. But I swear it's due to the fact that he has that like basketball mentality, the basketball body.

Like yeah, like he's not Jack. He has another dad bod like Patrick Mahomes in a way, but a little bit skinny. A little bit more proportioned dad bot, I would say. But those guys, man, I'm telling you, they don't get hurt. They don't pull muscles. And it's because they're not tight. and he's not tight at all. And I swear that's what makes him the player that he is.

He's fluid. He's just a word that I'm looking for. He's fluid and pliable. Dude, he's, and people are worried about him right now. Why? I'm not worried because his productions a little bit down. Yeah,

he had a good game. But I'm not worried until, like, Travis is going to show up when the team needs him in December and January. That's like, that's when, that's when you need him. Okay, he got, he's 34 years old now.

He's chilling until that point. and he'll turn it on and these jokers will probably go out and win again because he's part of that formula Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid Travis Kelsey spags and Chris Jones and on top of it he kind of is a complete tight end he doesn't get the job done in the trenches you're not going to put him one on one with a freaking 280 pound defense event like you know coach balacheck love to do with me in practice and just you know get my brains you know just mushed every day versus Rob Nikovic and all the other guys. He just loved putting me versus every single practice and just loved watching me, just bang my head every day and then go out and do it in games. But it was fun. I loved it.

That's why I did it and never complained. But he gets the job done. You want to know how I describe blocking James Harrison? That's kind of what he does. He's kind of got it down to a science. He gets in the way. He gets in the way. And he knows where the play has to hit.

And he knows that's all you need to do. That's all you need to do. If you got that down to science, which he does, and I've seen him do it. It springs the running back still. The guy does not make to play. So he's got it down. And tell you the truth.

He's a superstar. You're a super superstar. He's dating Taylor fucking Swift. And they might have a kid. They should have a kid. They should. That would be a great kid. It would be a what would kid be performing?

Like, you know, having eight catches a game. And then like half time he's doing the halftime show in like 15. No, in like 24 years. Probably sooner. Taylor was on the scene when she was like 13. All right. So it would be like the new Ryan Williams. You know how he's 17 years old at Alabama?

So their kid would be like 14 in college. They just surpassed like middle school because he's so smart. And then he would go like do a duet with like he would go do something with Cuevo right after. Yeah. So and then it'll be in the league at 18 and then singing and performing at halftime. Top 10 hits and a TikTok song. Dang, they need to have a kid if that's the kid. They got to have a game.

And we'd be crazy not to talk about last year's AFC championship game. When all year, all year we kept on hearing people, not me, not me. Chiefs are done. They look old. They look slow. Where's Travis Kelsey? What are they doing red hot Baltimore? What are they doing red hot Baltimore?

He goes 11 catches on 11 targets in the AFC championship. when everyone knows they're throwing him the ball. That's a fucking, that's a killer. That's why they call him killer. Clutch. One of the most clutch players of all time. I said that already. How about when I first met him?

My really first time of truly meeting him, I'm like, truly, truly meet him. He came to Grank Beach, man. It was really cool. He was in Vegas. It was in Vegas. The draft was in Vegas. And he came up to Grunk Beach. You were there.

I was hammered, man. I was hammered, actually. It was one of the few times in the last few years where I was pretty hammed up. And I was, I'm awesome. I'm hands up, actually. You jumped on my back. I didn't even care who was on my back. I just started running around on stage, Jules, and you jumped on my back.

And all of a sudden, Killetraff shows up, and we're having a dance off on the stage. He can dance. And he can dance. And Rob could dance, but I can dance, like, kind of like, they're my own dance was, but he can, for real dance. Because, like, we said, he's fluid. He's fluid. I got too muscular, man. I just never worked out, like, the way I worked out, like, in high school and college.

Like, I should have been doing, like, more pliability stuff. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, because that was kind of my model. Like, that was kind of my persona being jazzed. Rob, you look like you were a senior in high school playing against fourth graders when you were playing. But imagine. You just fucking.

Imagine like if I was looser and I could dance better and still be playing football. You could dance. You dance your own style. You're good. You're right. I'm the best at dancing my style. Ain't no one can match me. Ain't nobody matching.

All right. Time. Let's drop in. what kind of dude is Travis Kelsey? I mean, like, you kind of just said it already. You hit it right off the bat without even thinking about it,

without even going over the categories. I mean, we got freak. I don't really think he's a freak. He's not a freak. Maybe somewhere else. He's freaking the sheets, maybe.

Yeah, freaking his sheets because, you know. But, kill a trap. Hey, hey, that's all. That's all I'm going to say. That's how far I'm only going to go.

But on the football field, like his physical attributes, no, really a freak like we said dad bob but fluid so like a freak is like dk mackaff like that dude's freaky yeah he's like cheetos for breakfast and he's got a 19 pack yeah exactly this guy a dog he's definitely a dog he's definitely motivated trap is a dog i think he's a dog he is he's a dude too too i bet i bet i bet he's so cool and in the locker room guy here he's a stud drink some beers with you he's a whiz he's he's that's because he knows how to get open i want to say he's like

a true whiz, but he's a whiz at his position, kind of just like myself. Tight ends don't know. We know the whole playbook, but we're not like the smartest, you know, we know what we just need to know. Rob, you didn't miss up much. Yeah, but like I said, we know what we need to know. Hey, so is he a stud?

Is he a stud? He is a stud. He is a stud. He's definitely a stud, but is he a dog. I think it's between stud and dog. I think because he went to Cincinnati and he was a fifth round draft pick or fourth round, third round draft pick. He had the troubles in college with the marijuana bullshit.

That's why he dropped to the third. I think that's like... Kind of being more of a dog. That's a dog. Because if you're getting in trouble for that stuff and you're still going out and performing, studs don't get in trouble for that. Studs don't get in trouble. Studs can get out of it.

You've got to be a stud on the field and off the field and order to be label of stud. Yeah. And like getting in trouble for that, It's kind of a weak thing But it's also a dog It's a dog You get in trouble

A dog goes in his cage And it comes back out That's a dog That's a dog He's a dog Stamped a dog Well that's been another episode Of dudes on dudes

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