Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Draft Recap

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

We're recapping the 2025 NFL Draft! Rob & Jules break down the biggest stories from the draft in Green Bay. We dive into the Shedeur Sanders saga, Will Campbell and the Patriots draft as a whole, and which teams had the best drafts. In this week's Chillest Dude of the Week we hit The Chill Line to answer some voicemails. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I can't wait to see him get that O line going. That's the left tackle that you want. And which teams had our favorite draft? I truly believe they had probably the best draft in the NFL for what they needed. I like the Giants draft. And I give tips on how to be a great tight end. And repetition after repetition so he gets the feel of where he should be

with the quarterback. And then we wrap it up by hitting the chill line for the chillest dude of the week. You got to stick around to the end. Let's go. Dudes on dudes is a production of I-Heart Radio. What's going on, Robbie?

Hey, Jules. How you doing, buddy? I'm good. I'm good. I see that you have a little color. I have a little color. We both have a little color. It is springtime. Over here in Los Angeles, the flowers are starting to bloom. The leaves are starting to come over there. And where are you, Tampa? Yes, I'm in Tampa right now. How are those palm trees? The palm trees are always popping. The palm trees are always blossoming all over the place, especially in my backyard. I just have a wonderful backyard full of like 100 palm trees. It's like paradise back there. I love it so much. And I can get color at any time of the year here. It's so beautiful.

I love it, Jules. I love the sun. I'm a sun warrior for life. Welcome to the sun edition today because we're both tan, baby. We're both sun-kissed. Isn't that what the kids say? Your son kissed? Well, yeah, out here,

spring is coming, ripped up my hands from gardening, spent five hours clipping these goddamn, am agave plants with no gloves and learned that I should probably put gloves on if I'm clipping those. So I'm excited. It's a happy time of the year. You were in Vegas for Easter slash WWE WrestleMania.

How the hell was Granc Beach? Grank Beach was popping this year. I actually couldn't do Grank Beach at the Super Bowl because it would have been just too much on my plate. Obviously, Fox had the game. I was, you know, doing the pregame show, half time, post game, and a ton of other extra extra curricular, extra curricular. Extracurricular.

Extracurricular. Curricular. I'm saying it wrong, too. Yes. It's a tough word. If you're getting word advice for me, we're going to have a day. Yes, we are. Yes, we share our jewels, but we always have a day together.

and that's why we do dudes on dudes because we're always there to help each other out and we're always there to pick each other up and have a wonderful day at the same time no matter what the obstacles are. And all that stuff going on at the Super Bowl, grank beach would have been just too much to handle. So I moved grunk beach to WrestleMania this year.

And man, what a bright idea it was. What a turnout that we had. WrestleMania fans, they're delightful. Their passion is just to a whole other level. the energy that they bring, you know, I love it, you know, it fits my suit, fits who I am. And Grunk Beach was absolutely popping, even though I was about to fall asleep before the party started. Because I usually go to bed at 10 a.m. Eastern every night. The party didn't start till 11 p.m. West Coast time. So that was about 12.

They had to let Jesus resurrect or something, right? They let them the Easter egg hunts, Jesus resurrect. and then all that settled and the Grunk Beach started. Exactly what we did. I was actually an honorary Jew for the weekend too because we threw Grunk Beach on, you know, on Easter. So the guys that throw the party and organize it, they're actually Jewish.

So they made me an honorary Jew for just throwing Grunk Beach on the day that Jesus, you know, resurrected. this. So I appreciate you guys looking out for me. But we let him resurrect and then we threw Grunk Beach, baby, because that's what it's all about. And the people loved it. The people loved it. Hell yeah. I mean, people like, that is, when you entered the NFL, that was the first thing I thought of. I was like, WWE character, Robben, this guy, he's got a name. He's like, share. Everyone just calls him gronk he's got one name he's fucking larger than life he's dancing to lmf ao this guy is a wwee character and it's only suiting that you have grunk beach at russomania on easter in

Vegas i i'm sorry i couldn't make it it was tough uh i think i was coming back from tahoe i went to lake tahoe it's all good jules it's tough to make everything i don't you know make every single party. I can't make all year events as well. And you actually run yourself down and you get tired trying to make every party and every event. So totally understandable, totally acceptable. You can just show up to the next Grand Beach. But my question is how was Lake Tahoe since you were there over the weekend? How was that experience? Man, I went to Lake Tahoe. And I grew up going to Lake Tahoe as a kid, probably like once, maybe twice a year, if it was a good year. pretty expensive back then, still expensive.

And I forgot how beautiful that freaking place is, man. It was like unreal. It was 70 degrees. So there was still snow. We went to Diamond Peak. And then we went for one day, which was a place I used to go to when I was a child. And it was awesome having my dad skiing with my daughter. My brother was there.

My niece was there. It was just some great family time. Got to snowboard. sledding a day, but then we also, it was 70 degrees at the lake level. So we were riding bikes during the day around this beautiful crystal clear lake that I forgot how beautiful that place. I mean, it smells great. The pines are everywhere.

The stars glisten like, like their freaking lights right above your face. It was just such a cool place. Went to some local burger joints, had some good dinners. my mom cooked, my dad cooked. It was just a great getaway. And I forgot, I mean, Tahoe is just so damn beautiful. It is a cool place. All those mountain places are just, you're like reminded, like, how beautiful everything

in nature is. Like when you go to Montana and you're driving and you see that, like, that beautiful site and you're in Lake Tahoe, you see the mountains around this lake. And, like, I loved it. I had a great time. Well, that's great to hear about Lake Tahoe. But I want to hear about your golf game now, Jules. How's your golf game been?

Have you been driving the ball long? You know, I'm hit or miss. Why are you asking, Rob? You know, I saw you take some hacks over the weekend and I just love your form. It just has so much power behind it. The way that you hit the ball, it's a heck of a shot. You belong basically on the PGA tour. If you can control that, you know, drive every single time.

I can't get it in the slot every time. time according to Max Homa. But just overall, the way that you were driving, I mean, the ball was like screaming coming off that driver. It was like watching Happy Gilmore, the movie and just seeing the shots where the ball would just froom. It's kind of like a rocket just foaming into the air, you know, but it's not like the blooper drives.

It's the one that's just screaming and just elevating at a consistent pace, not a rocket, but like an airplane taking. off at full power, like jet taking off. And that's the type of swing and power that you have behind your drive tools. And I loved watching it. It's entertaining. Now, in a drive competition, I just got a question. If you have three balls, okay, would you rather have three balls right down the middle

at like 280 yards? and the competition is to drive it as far as you can against other humans or are you going to fucking just let it rip every single time and hope one of those jokers gets down the middle because if it does it's going to be screaming which one would you do well if it's a long drive competition I'd rather go for it thank you fuck it jules I don't care about the consistency of putting it down the middle three times at two times at two 290 yards. Yeah, you're going to get a little golf clap, but I don't want that little golf clap.

I'm coming off of WrestleMania. I want the fans screaming my name and going absolutely absurdly crazy for my type of hit, for my finishing move, for my finishing swing. It's the long drive competition. I'm going for it, even though if two of them are all the way to the left or the right, but the second you put it right down the middle, boy, just like you did, the crowd's going to erupt and go crazy. So I prefer that any day over consistency in a long drive competition. That's what you did, Jules. You hit it probably about 330 yards spanking right down the middle. You know, I just people in the long drive competition should know that too. All right. That's all I'm going to say. There's two people out there that will know who this is.

Maybe they'll comment in the section. Those two people that were talking, all that hat. Oh, I took them three balls and put it down the... It's a long drive contest. You're supposed to drive it as long, and as far as you can, it doesn't matter if it's down the middle on all three. There's no extra credit for freaking getting three down the middle.

Last I heard, it's the furthest one. So grip it and freaking rip it. All right. Those listeners. One of those guys that was talking, we won't say names. It's not an accuracy contest. It's a long drive contest. It's a distance contest, not accuracy, buddy.

Long drive. One of those, you know, one may be a goat that was talking about that. He's the goat. that's all I'll say and the other really good commentator a really good game caller former tight end

and it's probably I mean yeah that's all I'll say former tight end really good oh really good oh there's some good hints if you're to see

the drive contest you wouldn't think that the guy who won won because all the top But my connection sucks. Can you hear me? Hold on. Let me move spots. All right. All right. I can hear you loud and clear now. All right. This is way better in my family room. Sorry, folks. We had a little interruption on the play. We got blitz. We got sacked. My internet was not working well. But we adjust on the fly. Unlike the guy that Julian beat in the long drive competition, he couldn't adjust on the fly. He couldn't adjust his technique to be able to hit the ball long. He just thought it was all about accuracy, let alone he didn't know that it mattered how far the ball really went in the end. And that's why we're champions, Jules, because we know how to adjust just like I just adjusted.

I moved from my office to my family room because the internet sucked. You were chopping up every other word. So everyone out there, here's some advice, get some sound internet, pay for some top quality shit. unlike my cheap ass I got who knows one G right now but now I got 5 Gs in my family room we're back

let's hit it Jules well at least we got the Robbie G and we'll continue this how about this Wrexham team have you heard this news with Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhaney you're kind of talking to the wrong cat I'm going to have to be a

you know I'm going to have to be filled in more on what's going on with all this they buy a team what four or five years ago they do this reality TV show it's like a league six team and don't fact check me I'm just telling you the story and then

each year they've got promoted three years in a row first time ever that this has happened now they're in like the second best division behind the English Premier League how fucking crazy is that should we buy a fucking team

I mean I know Tom's got a team fucking JJ Watt has a team JJ Watt's got a team everyone's getting a fucking London team? How do we get one of these teams? I'm not really sure how to get that done, Jules. And I don't really know how the divisions work over there.

I don't really know how to lease work. I'll explain it in a nutshell. I'll explain it in a nutshell. So in soccer in Europe, you can get relegated if you're in the bottom third of your league or you can get promoted if you're in the top third of your league. I don't know that could be different in certain leagues. It could be only one. It could be two. But if you finish in a certain standing in your league at the top, they put you in a new division.

And then the shitty teams, they get relegated. So they get thrown out of the division and go to a lower division. This team started in like Division 4 and now they're all the way up to Division 2, which has never been done. This is a really old team that has a huge support in a small community out somewhere in the UK. and Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhane, he bought the team, put money in, created a reality TV show around it. Now they have like the number one jersey sales.

They're freaking sponsored by TikTok and all the teams in their divisions are sponsored by like local tire companies and shit. So like they've literally built this one program, which in Europe you can do all the way to the second league. And they can potentially go, to the English Premier League if they fucking win their division this year. That's what they did.

How fucking nuts is that? Tom owns a team. J.J. Watt owns a team. How come we don't own a team? You can't be that expensive. Well, maybe a flag football team, Jules. Should we own one of those? I mean, that's going to be up and coming.

Maybe we should make a flag football league like this where you get relegated and you can create a team, club team and that club team will have like divisions and will relegate and promote the teams. We'll do a flag football league. Is there already a flag football league? Worldly. Yeah. We're late to the party.

We're late. That's okay though. It's already started, which is a good thing. UK is Wales. Everything is clicking right now for Ryan Reynolds in the Wrexham FC soccer club. I mean, like you said, they were probably waiting for this day to happen with the team moving up in divisions. I totally understand what you're saying. That's kind of what they should do with the MLB

because the system is set up for it already. The bottom two teams in Major League Baseball should drop back down to AAA. And the two AAA teams, the top two, should go in to the MLB. And then it'll just give them that many more incentives to be forming the best team possible, you know, for baseball. So that's kind of just a creative idea that just came to me, because I like how they're doing that over in Europe and London. And just that team as well with TikTok that you said with everything that they're doing, everything is just spanking right on the money right now for them,

which is really cool to see. They're putting in obviously their work and due diligence, and it's popping off for them. So it's inspiring to where we want to buy a flag football team and possibly go on that page, which is cool. I got a question for you. Yeah, what's your question, Jules? All right, this whole relegation promotion thing.

What NFL team should get relegated and why is it the Jets? Well, first off, I like how you didn't even give me the option to relegate a team. I was thinking the Indianapolis Colts for a moment because the New York Jets didn't even matter at the time when we were playing. And they weren't even kind of, they weren't even competition, really. The coach were, you know. Right before you got there, they beat our ass in the, or no, they beat our ass in the playoffs that one year in 14. Yeah, they did.

They did. They were pretty, they had that, they had that, young in our career, they were decent. Yeah, they had, they had, uh, they had a really good defense. They had wrecks. I, I, you know, those were some battles. It's just, after that, it's been ever San Chito left. I mean, it's, it's been, uh, it's been, uh, It's been tough.

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You know what? I got to jump into this, Rob. Yes, let's hear it. I think a lot of people are given Coach Belichick and this whole interview thing with Jordan. I think they're given an unfair, an unfair reality of what's going on. Because she was jumping into that conversation during the interview, just like any PR person would jump in

when there's an unnecessary question that probably didn't go over in the pre-meeting, like the pre-production meeting. And so from what I've heard, Jordan is playing the bear's role, the Bears role of like handling all the football ops, handling a lot of his social, handling a lot of his PR.

And so like when you look at this situation and you say, oh, this is his girlfriend saying jumping in. I don't, I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working and that's her profession right now with Coach Belichick in the professional world. Now don't, don't, doesn't mean that they can't have a relationship and do the mermaid shit that they do. that's relationship time.

But when this whole interview thing happens, I think she's working and she probably went and said, hey, that's a question. No, we're not doing that. What do you, like, isn't, doesn't that always happen whenever you do an interview? Do you not have a representative,

uh, representative there? Mm-hmm. Yeah, she's becoming his representative on top of being a girlfriend. I mean, it's two for one. Uh,

in my eyes, uh, I see what's going on. And also, no one's really, put this hand in hand together. When your name is Jordan and you're on the University of North Carolina, Tar Heels campus, you're God.

You're untouchable. You're untouchable if your name is Jordan. If your name is Jordan on Chapel Hill, just shut the fuck up and let the shit go. Exactly. Rob, that was beautiful. That was poetry. That's all I got.

That's all I got. You know what? They're winning the Natty this year, potentially. I got them in the bowl. They better. I got North Carolina because of that whole situation. All right. Before we break down the Patriots draft,

we got to give a shout out to the Admiral. Joe Cardonia. Patriots released him yesterday, two-time Super Bowl champion, final member of the second dynasty, fifth round draft pick out of the Navy, out of the Navy, which he was like one of the first players that was able to go right away but served in the offseason in Newport Rhode Island. That's what people to understand. Joker was still on station, still serving. in offseason, Newport O'D Island.

You know, what a hell of a career. He is a patriot. He is what the Patriot way was. Unsung Hero, great locker room guy, always worked his dick off, knew when to be seen, knew when to be heard. You know, like that's kind of Joe. And he's someone you could always talk to. And like, he was just always even keel.

I you know and if he he you always hear the phrase foxhole guy he's a fucking foxhole guy you hit it you hit it spot on julian with um with the praise to joe cardona first off i just want to say thank you for your service joe not just you know to the new england patriots organization but serving our country uh you know while being on the new england patriots as well you were double duiting it, which has probably never been done before in the NFL from my understanding. Just appreciate everything you have done in the locker room on the field to help us win games and protecting our freedom.

Joe, you're the longest tenured patriot that was on the roster, but not anymore. And we appreciate it. You had 10 seasons with New England. four years at Navy. You just celebrated your 33rd birthday. You're a good dude. Just shout out to you, brother. Hell of a career.

Hopefully it continues somewhere else. I'm going to his wedding. Going to his wedding next week. You know, so I'll see him. It's going to be in Boston. Well, tell Joe, I say what's up. I think the invite got lost in the mail, but that's all right.

You don't want to invite the big grokster. The party might get turned up a little bit too much. I think I asked him why he didn't invite you. He said, I think Rob probably has a grunk beach that weekend. Well, that's a good possibility. But just give them a little shout out for me, Jules. I love Joe. I will.

I will. Tell him, what I will. I'll let him know. Let's shift over the Patriots draft, Robbie. Well, what do you think about the Patriots draft, Jules? Let's get right into it, man. I like it. Mm-hmm.

I like it a lot. You know, being in the media now, you know, you got your circles. You got your circles. and I call all these little circles, all my little sources everywhere that are still affiliated with teams, still in the mix, as they like to say. And I just asked some questions about certain guys.

I said, hey, is T-Rex arms going to be all right? And they all say, this kid's a fucking killer. And I'm talking about Campbell. Everyone talks about the short arms. after I saw his interview said he would fucking die for Drake May it gave it gave me low key some Logan Manking vibes it gave me some Logan fucking Mankin vibes where he's like just country and and you know and the last just super country guy

and the last undersized tackle that everyone thought we missed on was this guy named Matt Light from Purdue in the second round I believe who he was way too small to play tackle played for us for what 11 12 years three super bowl's fucking stud i'm i'm super excited about that pick i'll let you go to your one of your favorite picks who do you like yeah i really like campbell you know i think it wasn't just a position need i think i really love that that's the best part about this pick is that it was a position need for the new income patriots but also at the same time he was i believe that he was one of the best best available players in the draft too.

It wasn't like a far reach. Oh, we need an offensive tackle. Let's just draft the first guy that even though he's not deserving of a top 10 pick. He was deserving of a top 10 pick. So it goes hand in hand, wonderful pick. And what I'm really excited about, though, was their second round pick in the running back that they got out of Ohio State.

Travian Henderson, I think he can walk right into the Patriots organization and possibly be, you know, they're starting. running back from day one. And what I really like about this guy is that he's going to make Drake May feel really, really comfortable in the pocket, not just because he's going to get the run game going, but because he's one of the best past protecting backs to come out of college football in some time. So it's third down.

It's a crucial situation. You need to get the first down, you know, to keep your chances alive to win the game. And boom, here comes the linebacker blitzing, you know, right up the. A gap and boom, Travion Henderson picks him up. Drake May, don't got to worry about it. Gets the ball off to Stefan Diggs. First down, the chains are moving. That's why this was a huge pickup in my eyes.

I believe he has a first round grade as well, but they got him in the second round. So it was a steal. The Patriots, A to an A plus in the draft rankings, probably the best draft out of all the teams this year. Congratulations to Vrable in the front office in their first year doing it with the Patriots. Yeah, no, you can tell by their draft And you, in comparison to the last couple drafts that they've had That they wanted to make a statement for like certain guys

Like the Will Campbell's That's a statement He's like a he's a culture builder type guy After I don't even know him I haven't met him But just hearing the way he speaks Here seeing his demeanor That's a culture guy

That's a culture builder. The Trayvon Henderson, I mean, last time we played in a couple Super Bowls, we had running backs that had 13 plus catches, Shane Verene and White, sweet feet. Like, they got Stevenson for like the Benny law firm kind of guy, North-South runner, and then you get Henderson with Josh McDaniels, pairing him with Josh McDaniels. I see so many sprawl routes in my head right. now. The Sprole coming out of the backfield, cross up that linebacker, great matchups with the running back, which is really good for the quarterback. Because a lot of these young guys, they like that

all go. And so, hey, we'll give them the all go, but then we'll have the running back do his little thing. If you got a guy that can get open and blocked, that's huge. I love, I've heard some really good things about this Kyle Williams kid out of Washington State. You know, everyone I've asked about them. I haven't watched a lot of them, but they're all like, man, we liked them. We liked them a lot. Well, Julian, hold on for a second. When your 69th pick in the draft, you're always going to have good juju around you. You'll never be a bus. You know, a guy had, what, 18 touchdowns over 2,000 yards. I think over his last two seasons at Washington State, too. You know, he's kind of like a Steve, you know, Smith ability, you know.

I would say a little bit like that, you know. I mean, I just think it's a great pick overall. You gotta be tough to be Steve. Got to be tough. We've had him here in this nut house. You better be fucking, you better make people scared with your eyeballs if you're Steve Smith. Getting Steve Smith comparisons. That dude's intimidating.

But he's an awesome dude. I love that they got another center. You know, the Jared Wilson out of Georgia center. guard, you know, revamping this offensive line that was, it was like, I hate saying it, but they were terrible last year. They were bad, like in all statistical categories. Like, they need, they go out and they get the guy from the Jets, Moses, you draft, Will Campbell, you bring in Jared Wilson to be a part of that interior part of the line.

From what I hear, Scarnacio, is consulting over there. old Scar was in the building, breaking down this film, getting guys according and right for the system that he knows with Josh McDaniels. I don't know. This is what I have no sources, but that's what I heard. Also, what about the kicker from Miami? I think that's a great pickup. I'm actually surprised, like how people are surprised at the Patriots grab the kicker in the sixth round.

I mean, it's a six-round pick. Usually you cut a guy. I can't believe kickers don't go higher in the draft, especially, you know, when they're money. I mean, how many points does do a kick or produce throughout the season in just a single game? It's usually around probably average, what, one to two field goals, a game. That's plenty of points, you know, possibly game winning situations as well at end of the game. So picking up a kicker that's dedicated that you know that's going to produce, I think that's big. Yeah, second round pick, third round for a kicker, you know, is not really doable.

Grabbing a kicker in a sixth round is absolutely no risk. I think it's a wonderful pickup for the Patriots. Sebastian Janikowski won the first round. Yeah, yeah. That was the only kicker of all time that won the first round, correct? Did Ray Guy? I think Ray Guy did too. He's a punter.

I don't think we're going to see that happen again. I don't know, but hey, that was Al Davis. That's Al Davis. But with the kicker, like to your point, Rob, I agree with you a thousand percent. If you look at all these corner stone teams that have won Super Bowls, they all have a great kicker. When we were playing, we had Steve Giscowski. The team before us had Adam Venetary.

The Peyton Manning teams over there in Indy, when they had Fanderjack, they lost. When they got fucking Venetary, they won a Super Bowl. You look at the Chiefs right now, Buckhert or Buckhead or what is this, Buckhart? Buckner. Buckner is fucking, he's dialed. You look at the Raven.

just Tucker. Like, he's won them a lot of game. A lot of games. So, like, having a kicker, I remember just being in hearing the coaches and Scotty O'Brien, like, they would always talk about you need to have a guy that you know can make those kicks. 40, 50, and then he has to be 100% because that changes how you call.

whole plays that changes your demeanor for the offense that changes how you defend teams everything revolves around the special teams it's such a huge equalizer and having a great kicker makes that so I agree I just really love what the Patriots did throughout this whole draft too they drafted the player that they needed at that position and it wasn't just reaching out to grab a guy for that need at that position it was getting value as well with the pick for example you know Joe Cardona you Yeah, one of the longest 10-year Patriots, it was just time, I guess, for him to go. You got a new regime, you know, Vrable wants new players in there. He wants his own players.

And then they go out and they get a long snapper in Julian Ashby and the seventh round. Technically might not work out. It's a seventh round pick, but still, you know, for the value of a seventh round pick for a position that you need to fill, you know, it makes sense. You got the kicker as well in the sixth round. David Andrews got released this year. Absolute legend, a Patriots legend, another one. But it's a Vrabel regimen out once again. So it was just time, you know, for him to go.

And then they get a center slash guard in the third round with Jared Wilson that we were talking about out of Georgia, who ran a 4-8, 40-yard dash at 310 pounds. This guy fits the Patriots mold. Reminds me a Shaq Mason. Shaq Mason. Shaq Mason. That's kind of Shaq, isn't it? Yeah, definitely.

Shaq was just an athletic case. Remember Shaq was super. He was super athletic. So the line guys are starting to look like guys that I kind of can see, which last few years it wasn't looking like that other than David Andrews, but he was banged up with the shoulders. Rabel was really close to Lonnie Paxton, so you know he had to get a long snapper in the seventh name, Jules. Yeah. I don't think I'm fucking, don't think I don't know, Braves. I know you're shotgunning some beers with Lonnie Paxton over at the Red Bull fucking fridge in the locker room. We heard the stories, raves.

That's why you got old Jules in the seventh round, huh? We know those stories, bubs. What about these undrafted guys? Let's give some undrafted guys some love. They got some pretty solid, you know, solid undrafted players. You're talking about the Efton Chisholm. Chisholm. Yeah, he's got to be chiseled.

Eastern Washington. He's got to be chiseled. Eastern Washington. Blue football field. I know that. That's why I know about East Washington. They put that blue turf and they wanted the copy. Red.

Oh, the Red. You're thinking of Boise State. Has the blue turf, but they wanted to copy Boise State and they put that blue turf in. I remember everyone complaining about it for a little bit. But Afton Chisholm, he better be chiseled if your last name is Chisholm out of Eastern Washington. I mean, his senior year, he produced 120 receiving, you know, receptions over 1,300 yards and 13 TDs. you know that's second to cup in all time in receptions at easton washington old cooper cup cooper cup cooper cup a woman washington guy mm-hmm what's his speed let's look

them up what is what is his speed probably more quick i would say that's how you get a hundred quicker than that's how you get a hundred 20 receptions you got to be quicker you know than your your what do you run do you go to the combines uh four seven 40 he ran it's average That's what I ran. Yeah. It's probably really, really quick. Yeah, but you're another human. You have a whole other human on your body.

He's got to be really, really quick out of his breaks. I bet explosive, but, you know, just top-not speed just isn't there. You know, that's okay, though. You know, hey, that's what special teams are for, buddy. Now, running back, Lan Larson out of UC Davis, the agricultural school out of Sacramento. Wow. I almost went to UC Davis, Rob.

Really? To play football or baseball? My old high school head coach, Vel Scout, this big-ass Polish guy, Coach V, he took me and Tyrese Jacks to go see UC Davis because he graduated from there. It was Division I, AA, but that's what my remember, that's my memory of UC Davis. I don't remember. I remember it was beautiful, but, I heard what this guy's a bell cow, huh? Let's see him. Oh, he's a steer wrestler.

Oh, this has got special teams written all over it. He's strong. Obviously, he's fucking rassling. He's rassling them cows. Nah, these two dudes probably can freaking, they could probably compete for special teams. I mean, that's what you bring these guys in.

and to build depth. Build depth of your starters and compete on the special teams. That's how I made the damn team. Yeah, no doubt about that. I mean, they're long shots. They're dark horses to make the roster. But hey, guys, remember, there's the practice squad. I think there's, you know, up the 13, the 15 guys in the practice squad.

Now you can, you know, sit on that squad for a year to develop, go against the first team, defense of the New England Patriots, you know, practice your skills, learn the ins and outs of the NFL. just improve on a daily basis as an undrafted free agent. And then boom, you can become a special team star out of nowhere. You can start getting some reps with the third team and show your skills. And then all of a sudden, someone goes down and you get a call and you got to fill in at the game. And boom, that's your shot.

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You always get a shot, so just keep working at it. You know, and one thing for guys in the later rounds, undrafted guys, mistakes are going to be made. You just can't make the same mistake twice. Coaches will give you some, you know, they're expecting you to make mistakes. Don't make it twice. Know your shit.

Know your formations. know all your coaching points and think to yourself that they are going to call on you at all times because they can. I don't know how this is going to be, but I'm just saying be that prepared because you have to give it everything you have because once the vets come in and you'll have these little camps when the vets aren't there and you'll have the rookie camp and you'll have these reps, the reps are going to go down. and the only reps you're going to get are in special teams.

So you got to do really good on those things. Do all their techniques. Know the names, know the terms, know the formations, know what the other side of the ball has to do. So you know your responsibility. Know conceptually what's going on, not just what you're doing. And that's how you make the team. And you improve, like Gronk said, every day.

Don't make a mistake. Think you're getting cut every day. That's how fucking life and death of shit is. That's how life and death this shit is. I remember going to Brian Hoyer and Ornberger's room every night to go over my fucking formations, my play, my personnel groups, my concepts. And I didn't even sniff the field on offense, you know, but we did have, you have your little period at the end where the, you know, it's called, what is it?

What was it called? A makeup period or that one period where you go, you go, you know, you. you know, kind of younger guys on younger guys to give them their reps. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. It's just not clicking in my mind. Yeah, you know, but you got to take advantage of that. Any rep you get is being watched. This isn't college anymore.

They don't have a backup to the backup long snapper. There's not 120 guys on a fucking team. There's 53 and 15, maybe 16 practice squad guys. That gets small when you see it for the first time. A lot of great points, Julian. A lot of great points made right there. And talking about just going over your, you know, the personnel, the formations and all that as just a higher, you know, round draft pick. I would say you get a little bit more opportunity.

You know, you get a little bit more room for mistakes. But eventually if you make too many mistakes, they'll still put that undrafted free agent in front of you because you're making too many mistakes. As an undrafted free agent, you don't want to make a mistake twice like you. said as a first round second round you make it twice they're going to just keep getting on you they're going to start yelling at you more and more until you finally pick it up because like I said you're a higher draft pick you know they're invested more into you so you have a little bit more room for error but I'm not saying you want to make those errors I'm just saying if it happens but you got to hurry up and correct them and one way I corrected it was the formations I really didn't know the formations out on the

football field too well because there was just so many when I got to the new income patriots in college it was like I line up on the right, put my hand down, and sometimes in the slot, and I just go. There was like five formations. When I got, you know, with Brady and company and with Josh McDaniels, coach Belichick, let me tell you, there's about 50 different formations I had to learn. And I was all over the place lining in the wrong spot. Personal groups. Lining up in the wrong spot coming out of the huddle.

So therefore, I stayed after practice with my coach, my rookie year for about an hour. every single day with Coach Farrant's and we went over the formations just to make sure I knew where to line up the next day and I could do it quickly so I wasn't thinking because the second you're thinking you're beat because if you're thinking what you got to do you can't really react to the play and then the DB or linebacker gets up in your grill and just whoops your ass so don't be thinking out there on the field hurry up and get in that playbook and don't make those mistakes on a daily basis that you already made yeah and then also for like the you know the higher drafted guys.

I remember, like, there was higher drafted guys that knew they got more opportunity and took advantage of that and then didn't pan out. When you're a higher drafted guy, you want to make these fucking guys look like they were right for drafting you high.

You want to be a professional, you know, because you have some seventh round guy like me, like when I was a veteran and I earned where I was at, when I would see a high, highly drafted guy come in and think that way, it turned me off as a player and it made me know that he wasn't the guy. We didn't get the right guy. You know what I mean?

So like being a high drafted player, that's a huge accomplishment. That is great. But don't go out there thinking you get more opportunity because you're the higher drafted guy. The more mistakes you make, you're just making them look wrong for drafting you there. You know, so it's, it's, this is, this is a high stress environment.

This is pro football. That's what all these guys need to learn. Yeah, we, we like to do TikToks and have fun and shit. But when there's a hundred guys in the locker room and they cut that bitch down to 53, you know, I think, I'd rather be fucking fighting instead of TikToking and having all this fun and all this shit because that's what it is. These guys are going to be introduced to, you know, you can't redshirt. anymore. Tick-Tocing and Instagramming and all that good stuff. That's that's secondary. That's secondary. You're a football player right now. You're new. These little young guys, man,

you got to get in there and you got to fucking, you got to earn your stripes. You got to grind. It's exciting. This is an exciting period. This is where the team is made. Hey, we got the guys. There's going to be more free agencies and shit because all the other teams cut their guys. But, you know, this is when it starts the team. Put that phone down. Put the phone down. close your Netflix account and get to the grind. Football, football, football, playbook, playbook. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Get after it.

Nightclubs, going out, trying to pick up girls. Hey, that will come. Just do what you got to do to make the team. Make the team. Because the better you do on the field, all the other stuff comes. Exactly. Mm-hmm. The better you are as a player, your followers will get up.

the better you are as a player and the better your team does, the more money you'll make off the field. The better you are as a player and the better your team does, you'll put you in different circles. You'll probably get hotter chicks too. Ding, ding, ding, ding.

That was a knockout right there, Jules. Hit it right on the money. Just ball out and they will all come. You don't even have to try that. You don't even have to try. You make, keep the main thing, the main thing in all things. Just walk in and then you just say, hi, I'm Rob.

And oh, hi, Rob. Exactly. Hi, I'm Jules. Hi, Jules. You're so cute. I like your beard. Oh, you're so hairy. Oh, because you're a squirrel.

Oh, you're so furry. I just want to snuggle you, Jules. You just said your name only. But that's what happens when you win and ball out on the field. I don't even know what we just. Yeah, me neither. But what letter, what letter grave would you give the Patriots? I give them an A.

I mean, I truly believe they had probably the best draft in the NFL for what they needed and for the value of every pick. So hands down, I give them an A. I truly, like I said, that Henderson pick with the second round when they took him at running back, I was, I was really thrilled with that. I mean, great, great value, great job by everyone. And I think he's going to be a good guy. for offensive coroner, Josh McDaniels, to work with as well and develop them.

I'm excited with their draft. I'm not giving a letter grade. I mean, you can't trade the graft until like two years. You got to see, I got to see him take a pro snap. Got to see them be able to call a play in the huddle or take a play, digest a install day, you know, seeing something new for the first time, bringing it from the classroom to the drill to the grass, you know, all that stuff. You got to see that.

So, but, hey, they definitely filled some things. that they definitely need. And that's what you want. You want to fill holes with staple players that, what is this? Jules is more of a past fail kind of guy.

I love those past field classes. Did you ever have any pass field classes? I think gym class one time, one year it became a pass foul. But you're a pass foul guy and you're not giving out a grade for the Patriots draft. was it a pass or was it a fail then jules it's a pass it is a pass i understand why you're not giving

out grades because they haven't played a snap in football and i've always wondered that too because after the draft you know all those mock draft people like mel kuiper and all those guys he'd be like oh this this team got an a this team drafted uh i give them a c but how the heck would you possibly know that you know until they play a snap of football in the NFL like you were saying, Julian, but they're just giving the grades for what they think, you know, they need it and how they think they will be in the future for the team. I really want to see those grades and then watch the year, you know, pan out with all those rookie draft picks and then go back and grade the drafts. That's one thing that's never been done before that I've never seen on the

internet is those draft grades. I want to see them after the season. and where those rookie draft classes rank and then compare them to the grade that they got after, you know, the three days after the draft. That would be really cool to see and just see it on paper as well to, you know, compare it and see all these draft pundits, you know, how good they really are as well. Well, we should do that next year. We'll do that after the year. We'll do a, we'll grade the draft.

we'll grade the draft after the year and Rob, the reason why they let me fill you in a little secret the reason why they grade the draft so in comparison to their grades they grade them to how they project the guys but who's projecting the guys for which team and who's getting, you know what I mean?

There's a whole like, I don't get it. But that's why I want to compare it to once they play a whole season and then you know and then grade how the rookies all dead. It's really two seasons. And then, yeah, give it two seasons. It's really two seasons. Correct. The first year, you know, there's their rookies and they could look really good, but it's more of that, the biggest leap you get is that second year. It's your first time in the off-season program. It's your first time knowing what's going on in your schedule life of

where you are, where to go. It's your, you know, you have just more. comfortability to learn and blossom after your first year because you already know what it's about. Now you can work on you. And you have some tape to learn from what you need to work on. And Julian, we're talking about the draft and all right now. I just want to go back to a prior episode when we were talking when, remember I said that, you know, my mom saw me pissed off two times in my life and one of them was when I wasn't drafted in the first round of the draft in 2010.

Well, technically I kind of was drafted in the first round because from my sources, I'm pretty sure the Baltimore Ravens were going to pick me. I think it was around like the 25th pick that they had in the draft. And I'm not 100% accurate, but I've heard, you know, through the grapevine that they were going to grab me with the 25th pick. But then Denver and Josh McDaniels came scooping in and traded with the Baltimore Ravens. at the 25th pick, which put the Ravens back at the 43rd pick, and the Denver Broncos took Tim Tebow with Josh McDaniels as the head coach. So then I was not going to be drafted in the first round because of that.

I just got booted out of the first round because the Baltimore Ravens wanted me. And then the Ravens have the 43rd pick now. They felt like, hey, we were the only one's going to draft them. You know, in the first round, we could possibly get them in the second. now. That's why we traded out to Denver. While then the New England Patriots got, you know, a sniff of it. And they traded up one spot before the Baltimore Ravens, you know, at number 42 where I got drafted.

And on top of this, I also heard through a grapevine that if I didn't get drafted to the New England Patriots, Greg Olson, who was the tight end of the Chicago Bears at the time, was going to get traded that day for a draft pick for what I believe, from what I've heard, to the New England Patriots because the Patriots were looking for a tight end. So I'm just thanking the Lord right now that everything just played in my favor. And thank you to the Baltimore Ravens

for trading out to the Denver Broncos and not drafting me in the first round. But technically what I was getting to, Jules, is I am a first rounder, baby. All that, just to hear that. Well, you're a first rounder in my eyes, Rob. You are too, Julie.

to me. I appreciate that. So, Mr. Irrelevant, Kobe Minor. Kobe A. Miner. Didn't they, someone tweeted that? Who tweeted that? The Patriots. That's ours? We have them? We have Mr. Relevant?

Yeah. Oh, shit. That's tight. Yeah. Great draft. We have Mr. O. Patriots. Great drafts. It's crazy. Brock Purdy has made the Mr. Irlevant tag really a lot.

you know, cooler now. Like it used to be kind of like a make a wish for a guy. Now it's like, shit, you could be Brock Purdy, get paid $60 million maybe. Hey, Jules, I can also tell you this. It doesn't matter where you get drafted. It doesn't matter if you sign as an undrafted free agent.

It's all matters with what you do with your opportunity. Because every undrafted free agent is going to get a shot. They're going to be put in with the first team at some point or the second. team and it's going to say, hey, the ball is going to come to you. Let's see what you can, what you can do. Are you going to get open? Can you block this guy? And if you can't, well, then your opportunity is going to start closing as soon as possible. But if you can pick up the block, if you can make that catch, you know, when your number is called, well, then you're going to get another chance. And then you're going to get another chance. So if you showcase your skills,

no matter, you know, where you were picked up, if it was the seventh round, if it was the first round, If you were undrafted free agent, you're going to get an opportunity. It's what you do with that opportunity one given. So keep your hopes up, everyone. If you were disappointed, if you were drafting the seventh round, six round, fifth round, or didn't get drafted at all, you're still going to get that shot and go out there. You either prove them wrong or you prove them right and go prove them wrong.

Got it. Now that you're all in the same place, it doesn't matter where you're drafted now. It matters how you play. matters if you line up the right way. What matters if you, you know, you can do the little things, the daily life of a pro athlete. It's going to be hard, but you'll have an opportunity. Now, did you hear this story about Braves putting on the pads and working out Campbell? I heard a little bit of it. I heard that Vrable's put, he wanted to put the pads on to fill the kid.

What if Braves came and put his pads on and tried to cover you? And, you? in a workout. What would you do Braves? I would go full full speed, full out. Like, how can you not? I mean, this is the head coach of the New England Patriots coming to your workout just to see what you got. And that's a time where you just can't half ass it. And that's what he wants to see too. Are you scared that I'm in front of your face right now, that the head coach is in front of your face? Are you going to tense up or are you going to still be loose and you're going to punch the heck out of him? And that's what Will Campbell did. I heard that he punched him. them like an offensive lineman in that Vrable went flying backwards.

And I really think that's what made Vrable really fall in love with this guy. As Coach Scar said back in the day, a rat's ass doesn't matter about arm lath. It's all about what you can do with what you've been given, Jules. And that's Will Campbell for you. It doesn't matter if you got alligator arms. It's what he can do with them. And those alligators are fierce and they're deadly. And that's Will Campbell for you.

I think coach said he doesn't give a rat's ass about arm length. It's all about what you could do, what you've been given. But I love the character. That was a good one. Thanks, Jules. I knew I was, you know, somewhere in the ballpark. He's saying all the right things. I'm excited for the future we have in Foxborough.

And I think we've got a special season coming. I'm going to fight and die to protect Drake May. with everything I've got. I'd fight or die. That's the left tackle that you want. I mean, all he has to do now is show up and produce. I mean, everything's, you know, being said the right way. You know, the draft pick was great.

He's doing some great interviews. But what really truly matters is what you do when it comes down to the stretch and haul of it all, when it comes down to training camp, when it comes down to the regular season games in the playoffs, It's all about showing up and performing. So we love everything so far. And now it's just time to put him to work, develop him, get him, you know, ready to speed to be that, you know, every play, every down tackle. And to have that trust in Drake May as well that he can just drop back and just fire it in his backside, blind side protection is good to go.

So that's what really matters now, baby. He's a big boy. He's 6-6, 319. I mean, he's won every damn trophy there is. He's known as a nasty fucking player. I'm not worried. He must got big, big booty and big quads because he actually looks so slim.

I think he's all packing in his legs. And that's as an offense alignment, that's where you want to pack, you know, all your strength and power and explosiveness is in your legs. That's how you get the move guys. It's not about how strong you are up top. Yeah, you got to be strong up top. But if you got lower body strength,

I mean, you can push a car. You can haul a car. You can push a defender. It doesn't matter how big they are. So I think that's where he's packing his weight and powers right where you need to, right in those hips, glutes, and thighs. You know, that's an offensive lineman for you. You know, there's a quote that came out that he said,

You see that, Dad, they got a Bass Pro Shop right there. Easy Access. I'm going to be on my Matt Light timing hunting right behind the stadium. You know what that tells me? He's a games with names fan. He's watched it. So I'm a fan of him. And I can't wait to see him fucking get that old line going.

Okay? He's got to be regardless. He's first rounder. You're the guy now. You're the guy. Be the guy. We need it. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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given basis. So when people are surprised, oh, what happened to the quarterback market? Well, last year, there was six of them drafted in top 15. Not that many teams need quarterbacks this year. And it's some years, there's a couple offensive tackles drafted in the top, you know, 10 picks. And then other years, there's no offensive tackles, you know, drafted. It's all about the team's needs. It's all about the players that are best available to at whatever position it is going into the draft. So it's not just about, you know, quarterbacks. It's about these team needs and the best available player that is available at that given time in the draft.

Have we talked about the Shador and stuff yet? No, we haven't. But like I said, what do you think about that slide? Well, the Shador slide, well, this is what I got to say about a Shador. Like I was saying earlier, it doesn't matter, you know, where you truly get drafted. It just matters what you do with the opportunity when you get that opportunity. And he's going to have an abundance of opportunities, even though he was drafted in the fifth round. You got to prove it.

Nothing's given. You got to earn it. Even if you're a first rounder, yeah, they're going to give you a hundred bit, you know, a hundred more opportunities to develop. But with that being said as a fifth rounder and having such a big name still should door is going to get a plentiful amount of opportunities, you know, to showcase his skills. And it's what you do with it. It's how you ball out.

It's how you perform. It's how you get into the playbook and start learning the plays, getting on the same chemistry as the wide receivers as your offensive line, knowing the defenses, knowing the blitz packages that the defenses are going to present to you, knowing how to pick them up, getting the ball out fast. That's what you got to do. you know, no matter, you know, push the door, no matter where he was drafted. So it's all about him now and what he does with the situation.

It is. And I agree 100 million percent. I mean, it's definitely humbling. But, you know, hey, there's going to be an opportunity. You could either do one thing. You could either do two things. You can sulk from this whole thing and let it affect you. Or you can use it as a motivation and let it motivate you.

Regardless of what happened, why he's there, to Rob's point, he's going to have an opportunity. You know, and it's going to be a tougher opportunity. This is going to be, they drafted a guy in the third round. Okay, they're telling you that you're not the backup quarterback. So, you know, maybe this could be a turning point in his career that slingshots him into where he wants to go. It's the first case where I've actually seen a player drop. significantly in so many rounds as well. Yeah, we've seen quarterbacks that were supposed to be top 10 picks,

but then they only drop to like, you know, still in the first round, but just to the bottom of the first round. Or players that are supposed to be top 10 picks and they go in the second round. I just never seen a player actually drop, you know, from first round all the way to the fifth round like that. So that was a pretty crazy situation, definitely a humbling situation, which could be, you know, better off in the long run for Chador. as well. And it also gives you that much more motivation. I'm always talking about, you know,

how I was disappointed. I didn't go in the first round. But let me tell you, and also how I didn't go to the, you know, picked by the Buffalo Bills, my hometown. But let me tell you, I used that as motivation to the highest power, Julian. And that's what you got to do. Every time we played the Buffalo Bills, I remember that they didn't draft me. And what did I do to the Buffalo Bills, Jules? you killed them every single time every single time i was catching phase literally gave a people's elbow one time exactly that's how freaking that's how juiced up i was getting every single time i played the bills just to pay them back that people's elbow was just for the front office organization that was there when they passed on me in the draft julian so use that as motivation should do

and just do your thing do your thing out on the football field you know i was I like the Giants draft. Yeah, they got Abdul Carter. I think with the third pick in the draft, who's going to be a star? But was he serious? Was he serious asking for LT's number? Yeah, you were a high draft pick, but LT is an absolute legend, the best to do it, one of the best defenders of all time.

And let me tell you, brother, like, you've got to prove yourself just, that's crazy, just asking for LT's number. And I'm glad at LT shut him down like that. LT did the LT move, man. That was such an LT response. Go make your own freaking number, kid. What would Bill said to the kid if he asked for 56 at the New York football Giants? No, no, buddy.

Yeah, there's one LT and you're not LT. You're not even close to being LT. So how about you just get the. fuck out of my office and get in your playbook because you haven't done shit yet. And now you get number 62 for just being an asshole. You kind of went. That sounded Al Davis to me. You went a little Brooklyn accent.

All right. It wasn't bad. It was one of my better impersonations. You know, I'm not the impersonator, Julian, you are. But I gave it my best shot there. I mean, I feel like the words were on, but just the rhythm of it and how coach speaks wasn't exactly there, but I think the wording was good. What would you say?

I think he would laugh at it. I think he'd be like, look, can we, can we just, can we make a play before we, we try to ask for the greatest football player in the history of the game's number? Like, can we, can we fucking put on our goddamn jersey before? Can we know where to line up before we, like, he would say something like that. How about my boy? My rival, Arizona State running back, Cam Scatabo going in the fourth round to the New York Giants. Daibo and the Giants and company, they had a great draft man.

I think this guy is going to be a very valuable pick. He's kind of like a bowling ball, you know, as a running back, hard to take down, you know, blue-collar guy. even though he's a sun devil, I really like him. And I truly believe he was part of the reason why the Arizona State Sun Devils just turned it around their program just like that was because of Cam Scadabo. And if you watch the playoff game this year, he literally carried the whole entire Arizona State Sun Devils team basically to have a chance in that playoff game. They didn't win it.

But without him, they would have gotten blown out. But I really like this guy. how he runs with the ball. He has no fear. And I think he's going to be used in a lot of different ways with the brilliant mind that Daible has. I think he's going to get abused as well, used and abused because of the way that he runs. He's going to have to learn ways to protect himself and when to get down and when the plays over, you know, get down on some certain tackles. But he's going to do a good job and he's going to have a lot of, you know, uses for this offense. Yeah. And then the Jackson DART trade in the first

the trade back into the first pick I mean he kind of reminds me a little bit of a young Josh Allen I don't think he's as visually or as physically big as Josh but

you know he's gotten better every year in college he's got a I watched his Gruden thing those Gruden quarterback camps have been awesome to watch because you can get a real little tale of how these guys are going to be when they're in the locker room

or in a meeting how their demeanor is going to be are they wanting to learn are they making too much joke time out of shit are they trying to you know what I mean like you can see a lot of that stuff and you know he was a cool kid you know he's confident

he definitely needs to learn how to get down and protect himself he's very reckless with the football in his body very reckless with his body and he'll learn he'll get baptized in the national football league and be reminded that you can't do that and if he doesn't he'll be on the sideline

so in dayball you know day ball had to develop fucking Josh Josh Allen so it's a good guy to be developed by I hope I hope that the Giants give dayball day ball you know the time to do this because it wasn't his fault

for doing the things in the past that that team has done Let's move on to the next. Travis Hunter going to Jacksonville. Browns, Patriots, or Giants? Name one of those teams that he goes to. I don't think he's going to the Giants to the Browns. I don't think the Patriots are going to get him either. Well, then where is he going?

Who's next? Kansas City Chiefs? No. He's dropping him to the 30-first pick? I hope he doesn't go to the Jags either. I bet you the Jags pick him up though. No, no. I can't go to the Jags.

I can see him go to the Jags. No. I think Travis Hunter is going to Jags. It won't be fun, though, if he goes to Jacksonville. Does someone trade up for him? It needs to be a fun market for Travis Hunter. He needs to go to like a New York market, Patriots market, like something like that.

Even Cleveland's better than Jacksonville. Is he the most talented player in the draft? Of course, because he plays both ways. Well, it's going to be exciting. But he has to go to a market where it's exciting as well. The Jaguars isn't really an exciting market. Even when the Jaguars are good, it's still not that exciting. Jaguars haven't been exciting since Mark Brunel retired.

We basically called it. He's going to Jacksonville. I called it. Yeah, you did call it, Jules. And I was wrong, you know. I didn't see the fit, you know, going to the city of Jacksonville because Travis Hunter is an electric player. The organization of the Jacksonville Jaguars hasn't been electric in quite some time, like you said, since quarterback Mark Brunel. What kind of made it fit, you know, is that the new regimen for the Jacksonville Jaguars, I feel like, are trying to change that.

perspective of the Jacksonville Jaguars because they traded up for them, which made it more powerful. It was more impactful. That eighth grade GM was heartfelt about it. And the Jags feel like he's a new style of an NFL player so it can boom that organization. Hey, we're transcending now and we're going to be that team that's exciting and that's electrifying. And Travis Hunter is going to lead the way. So I may possibly be wrong with what I said earlier. And I am here to say I was wrong if it happens to be electrifying. You know, this James Gladstone introduction, holy shit. This guy should get a fucking Oscar. That was like the tone. I was just watching about cadence on public speaking and this guy hit everything to a whole how old is he's a young guy

32 years old the guy can speak that old gladstone i i tipped my gap to you as a uh like that was a fucking i felt like he's 34 he's 34 year old i felt like that was like we're about to start a movie or something i wanted to get i got my popcorn i was eating there watching this and that guy's storytelling and is everything. It was spectacular. And, you know, it's a good move for them. Like, exactly for the point of what we argued four weeks ago or whenever we dropped that,

there hasn't been any excitement in Jacksonville. They got Trevor Lawrence. They wanted him to be the exciting factor. He hasn't. You know, they brought in a bunch of free agents, the Kirk's, and all the other guys. They have Josh Allen on defense who's a really good football player. They got good players. but no one is making them exciting.

And this move shows and proves their fans, hey guys, we want some excitement too. So here, we're going to give you the most exciting football player in the draft. And I think that was a slam dunk move for them. And it shows where their mind's at. I think it was cool. They even added a swimming pool to their stadium like a couple years ago to try to make it exciting to get, you know,

fans to the games. I mean, if you ask me, I thought that was pretty cool. I would have definitely been the guy to be in that swimming pool while watching a football game, especially back in the day. Yeah, it looks really cool. So, hey,

I got a question. Because the Jacksonville Jaguars, they play over in London about two times a year. Do you think that Travis Hunter will be the best selling jersey in London, Jules? I don't know. Probably, right?

I would say so. Honestly, if they put them on. like kickoffs and kickoff returns because the fans in London they go so crazy over our special team plays because there's something being kicked so they're like reminded of soccer so if he like houses a kick in London oh yeah they'll fucking love him over there he'll be he'll be the lad over there mate good old day mate Travis hunter mate he my favorite player all right jules any final thoughts in the draft what do you got I

liked what the Rams did, collecting a first round draft pick next year in a quarterback fertile draft. Less need, man. They've hit on, like, this is like watching him, watching Howie Roseman jumping the first round and get the Alabama linebacker, watching Les Sneed trade out, like, those are the guys. I think that's the cream of the crop of the GMs watching these guys because less need,

anytime you hit on a Puka Nakua in the fifth, you hit a Kyron Williams in the fifth, after selling your soul to the devil for a Super Bowl, which they did, you have to hit on your draft picks, and they've been hitting on their draft picks. The versus kid last year, he's got like six and a half sacks.

They're hitting and building their team back up from the quarterback thing that they had to do to get their Super Bowl. They're building through the draft, which, and I love seeing that. I can't wait to see this, this Terrence Ferguson tight end, you know, with Matthew Stafford.

Matthew Stafford, Hicksby's been really good, but Hicksby's been kind of hurt. Anytime Sean McVeigh and Les Need draft running back in the fourth round, just take a look. Take a look at this guy's name because they know how to make their running backs go. Look at Kyra Williams,

fifth round draft pick. He's been bawling out. Now they get a nice, fresh set of line. legs. Anytime you had a big boy at the D-line level, that's depth. And then the receiver in the seventh, we'll see what's going on. But, you know, I liked that draft. I liked that they didn't like what they wanted in the first round and said, hey, we'll go, I think less need something said like we'll get our gratification next year or something for the first round thing. Let's jump

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It's heaven in that harmonica. And you know, we're Bruins. We're Bruins pod. We're Bruins pod. But our Bruins aren't in right now. Mm-mm. They trade nose face killer. I mean, I don't know what the fuck's going on over there.

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And the LA Kings are on all the time out here. So, you know, shout out to them and the harmonica ladies of the Korean Town Senior Senator, center for getting those harmonicas blasting to get them some goals. Go Kings, go. Go, kings, go. And hey, what about a shout out to our boy on the Dallas Stars? He's coming back for the playoffs. Not really sure how he's doing or how the Stars are doing, but I know they're in playoff contention.

you know who I'm talking about Tyler Sagan Tyler Sagan baby having a heck of a career down in Dallas that was our boy when we were you know up in Boston when he was on the brunes his first couple years when he was a young buck like 19 20 21 years old oh my god we were like 22 23 and then he got shipped down to the stars and he's having a heck of a career down now down there and Dallas is up three two right now on the avalanche and i'm pretty sure that Sagan was activated off of the injured list as well. And he's probably falling a kid. So congrats to all Segs.

I think he had a kid a couple months ago. Congrats, buddy. Boy, is he grown up? Have we all grown up? Time has changed. You got to grow up, Jules. If you don't grow up, man, life is going to be tough. You got to grow up.

Yeah. Now the other chill is due to the week is you callers, right? Guys, we love these awesome call-in. So let's hit the old chill line and see what you guys are up to. And again, that number is 5-6-1-203-5-7-8-9. Let's go. Hey, this is Stacy from Texas, and I love your podcast. And I was just wondering how you keep the same frame of mind when you're broadcasting from podcasting,

because do you ever slip and cut on air? So love your show. keep it up. Thanks a lot. It's a really great question because there's times when I'm in the pre-production meetings and we're going over the show and you drop an F and you're like, oh shit, I can't fucking can't say that. You know what I mean?

And so there is, it is putting on a different cap, your podcast cap and you're talking to the FCC cap. So yeah, it's definitely a different thing. but you just, we've been so trained through our life as pro athletes, kind of when we're addressing the media to kind of keep it semi clean that I have, I think I have slipped up on, on air and said something that I wasn't supposed to. When I'm broadcasting, Stacey, I feel like I'm on more pins and needles, you know.

I'm more aware of the situation that I'm on live TV. I'm more presented to not say something outrageous. because I know it's live and you can't take it back. And also, I want to be more prepared when I'm broadcasting. Because when you're podcasting, you know, it's not live. You can go over some notes right on the spot. Just broadcasting makes you want to be on the higher side of preparation. And that's the difference, I feel like.

I love that. Hey, Grunton, Jules. What's up? I was just wondering, I just got a big juicy bonus. at work and I was looking to take the wife on a vacation, you know, somewhere nice, somewhere good to treat ourselves. And I was wondering, what are your favorite vacation destinations? Let me know. Thanks, guys. I got them. It was just somewhere where I just was recently, too, in the last few weeks. And that's the Bahamas. I feel like it's an easy flight to NASA. You can get a direct from Florida or

from New York or wherever you're coming from, hopefully, so it makes it travel easy. But what's great about the Bahamas as well is it's not too far from the United States. And then they got crystal clear turquoise ocean water. And I'm a big fan of ocean water. I just love that salt water on my skin. It makes you blossom. It just makes you shine. It just takes away that inflammation from the muscles that I just love so much. It makes Ninkovich think that your own Botox. Yes. It makes Ninkovich think that he was commenting in our comment section saying gronks on Botox. It's because I was actually in the Bahamas in the state. sun on a daily basis and in the ocean and the turquoise water and it was just making me blossom.

So I would go to Bahamas, especially Bahamas, especially Bahamara, wonderful place, tons of activities, a water park, wonderful beaches. Good food. Really good food. Yes. If you can, if you love jet skiing, love boating, they got all that too that you can rent. And I'm telling you your wife, she, I mean, what wife doesn't love pictures. So it's a great spot to take pictures as well.

Yeah, you know, I think with this particular type of vacation, because it's from a work bonus, you got to go beach. You got to go beach. Now, regardless if it's in the Bahamas, you're going to go the Keys. Let me throw a little kicker out there if you want a little, I love the Bahamas, the Bahamian people. Is that all right to say? Is that what they say? Yeah, that's totally fine. Bohemian.

Dude, they're all so fucking cool. every time like they're really cool people that are chill Hawaii gives you that same kind of thing with the Hawaiian lifestyle I also like Cabo or Mexico because we're we're picking places with beautiful beaches but I like Mexico because I like the Mexican food I like the food in Cabo you know I like when you get the fresh guacamole

and you get the little street tacos and all the enchilada like I love all that shit but you're not going to go wrong with either of those, but definitely a beach vacation somewhere. Congrats on your bonus. Keep it going, Bubbs. And this is our last one. Let's get our last one.

Hey, this question is for drunk. You know, I'm an offensive coordinator at a high school level. And I'm thinking a lot of recently. I got a big tight end, very athletic like you. What does he have to do for me to get him open as much as you did in the play action game? You slip through. He's got a deep.

quarterback. I want to know what I can do to get him open. Well, the biggest thing, coach, is to get him to grind in the blocking game, to make him a great blocker. That's what I'm talking about, Julian. I love that harmonica. You got to bring it every single time we podcast. It just enlightens my mode. It just brightens my mind when I hear that's music to my ear. So keep doing that whenever. Oh, there we go, baby. I'm just tingling right now from my head to my toes, baby, and that's what I'm talking about. I feel like I can dance all night long and just tippy tap all over the place. Hit it one more time, Jules.

Oh, coach, that's the sound that you want to hear when your tight end releases and it's a play action out of the backfield and kaboom, the quarterback just dumped it right off to your tight end. So get him the block, get him to be nasty in the blocking game. So every single time that it's a play. action, the linebackers are scared of him and step up, you know, to, you know, to stop that run. And then, boom, he has to have a good feel about where to get open on the play action as well. It's going to be different every single time in the play action game on where to go to because it all depends on how hard the linebacker step up to the line of scrimmage when that play

action is going down and make sure your quarterback is selling it to in the backfield with the running back and repetition after repetition so he gets the feel of where he should be out with the quarterback out there. So make him a fierce blocker and then have him have that feel of where he should be on the field with linebackers stepping up to stop the run. I love it, Jules. Yeah, you got to get, you got a block.

The only reason Grunk got so open because guys were, they had to brace to hit him and he'd slip right by him because he was so, you know, he was such a force in the That's right, baby. That's right. And that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes.

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