Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Fantasy Football

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

It's fantasy football playoff season and we're talking about some of the greatest fantasy performers of all time. Our first dude is a versatile back from a football family. The next fantasy legend was so good he only had to go by his initials. Our third guy was a legend with not one, but two teams. We wrap it up by putting together the greatest fantasy team of all time. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If I had some bad games, man, ooh, if you looked at your Twitter mentions, oh, people were coming at you, man, fans were coming at you. And then that's when you, like, you go into defense mode, and you're like, yo, I'm just a team player. I don't care that, you know, I didn't have any catches. We won the game. Like, you think I really care about my camera? catches when we won the game. That's what it's all about. But then if you have a great fantasy day,

you know, you're like, I did it for my fans. I did it for you guys. I did it for your fantasy roster. So you guys always play the game as well. Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dude. It's fantasy playoff football time, ladies and gentlemen. So we're talking about some fantasy legends. Who are some of the best fantasy players of all time? First, a versatile back from an NFL family. This guy, like, he was born into this. A dude that only went by his initials. That's like Granc going by Gras. Yeah, that means you have to be a legend. You have to be a legend to have a nickname. Thank you. We get into another dude that rewrote the record books with not just one team, but two teams.

He was a pivotal part of their past game. He was great in the run game. And he didn't get hurt. He was healthy his whole career. And we wrap it up by drafting our all-time fantasy team. All time? All-time, baby. All-time.

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time of year, fantasy playoffs. And this is reality that we have going on today, Joel. So I know everyone out there has this fantasy mind of what goes on in the fantasy world of football, but this is reality. And we're going to be talking about the biggest and baddest fantasy players that have ever played the game of football. It's fantasy themed. We'll go over like horses, guys that if they played in this generation, guys that do play

in this generation, guys that played in older generations that would just fucking and light up the scoreboard. You know, it's been kind of fun because, you know, since we've retired, Rob, we've been in a fantasy team together. And it's actually my first fantasy league I've ever joined in my life, Jules. Yeah, we have the Nutt House Fantasy League. And let's go. I did a, and before someone corrects me, I was on air,

I did a fantasy draft. I just did not follow up and played in the actual league. It was just a draft to give an example to all the fans out there. on how to draft and who to draft and what guys are out there. So it's kind of explaining the game, but this is truly the first league that I participated in in my whole entire life, man. Yeah.

So this is really cool. All right. So Rob, so we actually play each other this week. Oh, we do? All right. We play each other. You're going down, boy.

You're going down. Guess what my record is right now? What? One in 12, motherfucker. I'm trying to get. And guess what it's going to be after this week? What? Two and 12.

You know, motherfucker. So, Rob, I like your team name, Rob. I'm going to start saying mother trucker instead of motherfucker. So I'm a mother trucker. Rob's rad team. You're going down, mother trucker. Rob, did you even name your

team? Are you talking? Rob, did you name the team? Is you my opponent? Are you talking? I'm just saying, I ain't letting you get in my head, boy. Rob's rad team? Yeah, Rob's rad team is one in 12. One and 12? No, I'm not doing any better. I actually didn't name my team. I'll give you my whole entire your strategy how I named the team, how I picked my team

as well once you asked that question. What was your strategy of making this team? All right. Well, my strategy was totally miss out on the Zoom call while everyone was picking. So I was automatically getting my team drafted by the computer system that Yahoo presented. Auto draft. So it was auto draft. And I was just getting the top player available on the board every single time I was up to draft.

And that's how you do it. You're guaranteed the top player that's available when you auto draft. So I don't see why people would draft. Well, how's that done this easy? I'm killing it. Killing it. You bet it, you know, against me every week, you would win. I'm one and twelve.

I'm one in twelve. Rob's rad team is radically shitty. I've been struggling, too, honestly. My fantasy team name is Ernest does football. I used to like those earnest movies. Ernest scared straight. Ernest does Halloween. The only thing I know that's close to Ernest is Ernie Adams.

Well, my old one used to be Ernie Adams family. And I can tell you this. got any earned in the name? Because Ernie Adams is the smartest, bestest genius of all times in the football world. So that means if you got earnest in your fantasy name, you should be

on defeat him. That's disrespectful to the Ernie Adams. And I've kind of tried on this, but my guys just haven't been working. I mean, I had Jordan loved Matt Calf. I did a trade for Med Capp. I had no running back at the beginning of season. So I had to make this crazy trade to get Josh Jacobs, did have Seek Juan was holding my

team together but then you know i've been scrapping at receiver with jalen reed he's been doing well hockinson you know i picked him up after you know he's been hurt and he's been gradually getting better but uh my my team i'll have a guy that performs and then one week guy was and it's tough you know i'm trying to put my players in the best position to win but you know rob it's it's been tough but i'm gonna take your team down this week because my whole team is getting healthy and i i can't even take i can't take the credit i got to take the credit of these guys right now well i'm not i'm each and ever oh first off you you better take me down because i have someone starting this week and they don't even have a game they're on by week well oh is that jamal williams yeah jamao mal williams so that's actually what happened

that's i've actually haven't you got to go make a change i have thursday i haven't looked at my team and don't make a fucking change i i this is why i'm one and 12 first off my projecting ranking my projecting score this week is 66 points and usually the average is about 100 to 120 and that's just how many guys I've been starting that actually weren't even playing that week. So that's terrible first off. And I kind of haven't looked at my fantasy team in about six to seven weeks. I just kind of forgot about it. But this is why I kind of just got pissed at fantasy is that. Philly's D. Got to put it in. Shut up, Jules. I'm talking, okay, about my fantasy team. It's not about your fantasy team. I'm talking about your fan. Oh, Justin Tucker's been killing you.

press I can get with my fantasy team because no one's been having any talk about him because I've been so terrible. But I dropped Joe Mixon this year because he was on a buy week. No, he wasn't on a buy. He got hurt for a little bit. And then all my other running backs were on a buy week. So I had to drop someone. So I was like, all right, I'll drop Joe Mixing real quick. So I drop him.

I get another pretty decent running back. Then I forget I dropped Joe Mixing. And then Joe Mixing's going off two, three weeks later. He was like, what, like two touchdowns? versus the Patriots when I was watching that game. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know I got Joe Mixen on my fantasy team. Let me go check how I'm doing because I kind of forgot. And then I go and look, and Joe Mixen is on the other team that I'm playing.

I'm like, what the F? How is he on that team? I forgot. I dropped him. And then Kyler beat me because Joe Mixon went off that game versus the Patriots. And he beat me by one point because of Joe Mixing. Oh, my God. And then since then I haven't looked at my team.

No. Well, it was a week before I lost by one point. See, I'm not a fantasy guy. I'm the reality guy, man. I get it done in real life. That's a bad beat. You know, I had a bad beat with a going against Sam. First off, I dropped Mike Evans. I thought his hamstring was a lot worse than what it is. And I fully fucked that up. And once again, Kyler, who's a little... You fucked it up just like how I fucked up to Joe Muson. What do they call it? He's a waiver wire guy. He just sits there and is...

Do we even work? He suspended. I can't. believe this guy work he i leave him for two weeks he's not joining the league next year i know we're gonna get him out i'm gonna come from out he's cut so i had a bad beat i was playing uh i was playing sam and my team was dominating saquan had his big day and and there's uh i had sam he i had um what's his name hubert on uh hubert on the panthers chuba hubbard i had chubba hubbard and i i had like 16 points to spare. And Lamar, and Sam had Lamar Jackson only left or something.

And like, I win with 16 points. And then Lamar had that late run thing, the late run touchdown and in garbage time. He ends up getting hell of points for that. And then Chuba Hubert fumbles. So he gets one point more than me because I got the three point deduction from it. I'm like, what the fuck? It was such a bad beat. Bad beat.

I can't even make it into playoffs, I don't think. It's okay. At least you'll have a win this week. Yeah. I'm hoping. You know, I'm hoping. I got a question. How often did fans bring up fantasy football to you, Jules, when you were playing?

Dude. Because we were in the era when, like, fantasy football started getting, like, huge, like, huge, huge. I'm talking, like, it was taking football to a whole other level. The ladies were starting to get involved and into football as well because of fantasy football. Kids, parents, everyone. Football was just becoming the nature of everyone's life because of fantasy football. And it started blowing up right when we started blowing up in the league as well. So how often that people bring it up to you?

Anytime I wasn't in a in Massachusetts and I went to a different city. So you go to like Miami or you go somewhere. Everyone always say, may I had you on PPR. Thanks, man. Thanks. You help me out, man, this year. So like you, I would hear it all the time. But it always be a PPR thing because I was a high catch guy.

So that's what I found out about that. So I would hear. Can you explain what PPR means? Points per game. Points per reception? Don't even know. You know, still getting used to this fantasy thing. What about you, Rob?

You had to hear it all the time. All the time, Joe, is especially after my second year in the league when I was just winning fantasy rosters left and right, baby. And people were making big money off of me. And my Venmo account was freaking filled up because people were like, I want my fantasy league. I think you deserve $10. Here you go. And I've heard.

Did you really give out your Venmo account? No, just people would, like, think it's me, which it was me, and they would just send it over to me as well. And your, my memo account would just be stacking up a little bit. But I'm sure how many fake Rob Grancowski Vamo accounts out there were getting donations to it as well. So whoever was running the fake ones, God bless you. You're welcome. I didn't have VINMO at that time in my life. What the phone was there?

It was something, man. Venmo was around in 2012. Like, that's when it just started as well. So I probably got like an extra $1,000. in my account just from random people sending me $10. That is fucking insane. Hey, thank you. You won me my fantasy league, even though there's 10 guys or eight guys on the roster

and it takes a whole team to win your fantasy. But hey, I appreciate it. But I was dominating, but also, if I had some bad games, man, if you looked at your Twitter mentions, oh, people were coming at you, man, fans were coming at you. And then that's when you, like, you go into defense mode and you're like,

yo, I'm just a team player. I don't care that. You know, I didn't have any catches. We won the game. Like, you think I really care about. my catches when we won the game that's what it's all about but then if you have a great fantasy day you know you're like yeah i did it for my fans i did it for you guys i did it for your fantasy roster so you guys always play the game as well which which what you're gonna take dude rob you must

have had like crazy what was rob's regular see what's his best fantasy year let's look at it i mean i know him back in my mind bro i mean it was it had to be the 2011 season it was the 2011 season when i broke all the tight end records. I was breaking records. 90 receptions. I led the league in touchdown receptions that year as well. I led the league in fantasy points. So, woo, I was on fire, baby.

That was a breakout year for me in real life and fantasy life, baby. I had, let me think, oh, I think I had 330.9 points that year. That's a lot. Is that right? That's a massive amount of points. 330. It is. 9.

90 receptions, 1,300 yards, 1327. seven, 17 touchdowns. Yeah, but actually it was 18 touchdowns because one of my touchdowns, I was lined up in the backfield because I can do it all, you know, on the football field. And I accidentally bubbled too much. I was behind Brady. So Brady threw it. I remember that.

I caught it. And I ran it in actually for the touchdown. And 13 touchdowns was held for the most ever touchdowns by a tight end by Vernon Davis. I had 13 at the moment. That was my 14th touchdown. The whole crowd was going crazy. I got a standing ovation. my second year in the league. I'm just 22 years old. Matt Light's busting my ball.

Sit down, young Buck. You know, you're not that great, you know, which I love Matt Light, which was great. And then later that game, I got the whole standing ovation for beating the most touchdowns ever by tight end in the history. And then later that game, I mean, later that day, it got ruled that it was a run. So the record went back down. So I was only tied with Vernon Davis at 13 tight ends. So I actually had one rushing touchdown that year as well.

So I had 18 total touchdowns. Get that right. man it's fantasy football rushing and receiving touchdowns count so that's 336 if it's rushing no i'm sure the rush a touchdown included it was uh was included with the point total i would say uh it was about three yards it was versus indianapolis colts yeah i remember three touchdown game that game actually had three reception and one one uh rushing touchdown so i'm one for one in my career in rushes jules i know you've had plenty of rushes or plenty of reverses behind the backfield and how many touchdowns you're one of my touchdowns i'm one for one of my

touchdowns you have rushing in your career uh i would say my best fantasy i don't know my rushing touchdown you don't know no i thought you would know your stats but your jewels i don't know i don't know my house i really don't know my stats well is your best fantasy year well i have it right in front of me so it says uh 2019 150 point four total ppr points 100 receptions 1117 yards and six touchdowns all right is that a lot of points so nah so you had 10 more receptions than me and only half the amount of points. Why is that, Jules? Because you why is that you score touchdowns. I convert third downs. And that's why we're a team. And that's why we're winners because we knew our role and we all did our role and we all shut up and we didn't

complain sometimes. Oh, I complain sometimes. I know, but it sounded good. It sounded good, okay? And I complained when Tom didn't throw me the ball in the red zone and it went to someone else. I was like, Tom, this is where I shine, brother, in the red zone. Like, yeah, don't throw it to me in the open field. I'm never going to complain that. No. I never complained ever at a time if we were with like within like the 20s. But when we got to the red zone and I was open and I felt like he could have thrown me the ball. Tom.

What? I would get back to the, I was open. I was open, Tom. And he'd be like, oh, whoa, shit. I never seen Greg Matt. Well, when you get to the red zone, you don't throw it to me. I'm going to get mad, brother. But the Hulk. That's when Bruce Banner, when he gets in, when he gets up into that, that 20 and in, like your rod turns into Hulk you fucking turn. Hey we got to start a

points per first down league. Hold on, hold on. PPL. I got one more story real quick too about fantasy football because it was becoming big. So we were at Mohegan's son. I'm not sure if you're on the trip or not. It was about to be before the playoffs. It was actually, yeah, I think yeah, it was my second year. And some, some chick comes up to me. She's like, oh my God, like, you know, like it was just, you know, we're young, so it was

coolest thing. She's like, oh my God, you're on my fantasy team. And I looked at her in front of everyone and I go, you want me to make your fantasy a reality? Yeah. And I said it, you know, in my ways at 22 years old, I was tipsy. And she's like, yeah, I do. And I had the whole room laughing, you know, and then from there, nothing actually happened. I just, just sounded really good to tell that story. And then I didn't, you know, me, I just started dancing too hard that I danced myself home and and nothing went on from there. It's, yeah. But it worked.

Was it? That was that? It worked. That pickup line worked. And that's all I cared about. That's when I knew I scored. I was, I already hit a home run.

The pickup line worked. Everyone laughed about it. So I was good. I didn't need to do anything from there. Oh my God. Yeah. Classic. Well,

let's jump in. Let's jump into our first, our first fantasy dude. Guy that kills it in fantasy. He sure does. Should we start with the AI reading? Yeah, the synopsis report. Synopsis is on this guy.

There we got. All right, this dude stands at 5 foot, 11 inches and weighing 200, 10 pounds. Jules, what are you? 510, 198. So that just puts in the perspective. This guy is beefy. He's thick. He's thick.

He's a versatile running back for the San Francisco 49ers. But he was drafted by the Carolina Panthers with the eighth overall pick in 2017. team known for his dual threat capabilities. He excels as both a runner and receiver becoming one of three players to record a thousand rushing and a thousand receiving yards in the same NFL season. Jules, can you name the other two players that did that? I'm just questioning you right now. Thousand yard receiving and a thousand yards rushing.

Go, only three players in history. This guy's one of them. Name the other two. Marshall Falk. Yes. And then. Who is the other one? Come on, you know who he is.

Roger Craig. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner, baby. Oh my God, let's go. All right. Thousand thousand club. He was named the 2000, 23 NFL offensive player of the year

and has been a key figure in the 49ers offense. He's the only figure in that offense right now. Well, I mean, actually, he's really not in the offense right now. Right now he's not. I mean, it kind of sucks. It sucks. It's great when he's in, you know, in the lineup. Yeah, he's not right now.

So it's kind of crappy for all the scenes. San Francisco 49er fan. He's originally from Castle Rock, Colorado. Dang, that's what makes him so strong. He's a rock. He's a rock. Yeah. And he's probably a high altitude.

Yeah. He grew up in high altitude. Dude, actually the high altitude, everyone that I know that train in the high altitude, they're absolute animals and never get tired. In blood. I'm jealous. Thin oxygen up there. I'm going to go train.

We did that in Montana a few times. We're hard to be. I never went to the Montana trips. All right. Back to the synopsis. He played college football at Stanford. where he won, actually, no, where he was a Heisman trophy finalist. Heisman trophy finalist. Guess who beat him that year?

Baker Mefield? No, Derek Henry. Derek Henry. Yes. He is a perennial first overall draft pick and fantasy football amassing 471.2 points in a single fantasy PPR season, second most of all time. Julian, who are we talking about? Christian McCaffrey. Mm-hmm. Absolute freak show on the field can do it all.

Thousand yard reception season, thousand yard rushing season, only been two other times. One of the other guys, possibly we should be talking about if he had a thousand yard receiving yards as well and thousand Russians, but we'll get to it.

We'll see who else we have later on. But this guy right here, absolute savage when the ball is in his hands. What I really love about him is that he kind of creates his own holes because he's so good. at cutting. That's what makes him stand out from any other player, any other running back that's in the game right now

or was in the game and that are legends because Christian McCaffrey's on his way to be a legend if he can just stay healthy and keep producing the way that he's producing. But he just can cut so quick and he's so elusive with the cut and makes it look so harmless and so easy. That kind of opens up holes for him.

And I actually talked about it on Fox. And that's what I said about him. I was like, hey, look at him go. when he came back this year for a couple of the games. When he cuts, he opens up and draws a lane and he goes right through the hole because of what he's doing. And then how he long after was like, really, he's really doing that actually. And we looked at some film

and he would be going this way and the way that he cut over to the left, there was all of a sudden a lane. Because of the way that he cut and the way that the defenders were moving and just how freaking gravity works when someone's going or what's it called when you're in motion going that way. inertia inertia yeah inertia inertia and then he would just cause him to have his own hole and he would just burst right through that hole then because he just has so much explosiveness and i believe that's what makes him such a great running back is that he can create his own lane i mean that explosiveness comes from his grandpa grandpa was like an olympic sprinter his mom's played at stanford soccer player dad's ed mcalfrey i mean i mean how many how many years that ed mcalfrey play in the honor i think I think he played 12 years in the league.

Won three Super Bowls. One with the Niners, two with the Broncos. I used to love Ed McCaffrey. He used to cut out his shoes. You know, he was like a grinder, receiver. And this guy, like, he was born into this. You know, he's got the gene makeup, which is crazy because his other brothers that played in the league.

I think he has one right now at the commanders. Wide receiver. Yeah, yeah. He had another one as well that's coaching now. I think they're, like, taller like, like, Ed. and and Christians like just a shit brick house like a ball of muscle just five foot to you see him he's like offseason training and stuff he does all like the track workouts and you see his explosive his explosiveness and his movement and like he works all that shit and he just looks like a sprinter

he does but he doesn't play like a sprinter he plays he's an elite football player because he has like you were saying he's got great vision you know he can recognize over pursuit put his foot in the ground, cut back, and then he has the explosiveness to cut through the traffic. He's also great out of the backfield. We always talk about how good he is as a receiver. I mean, and he's pretty much the focal point to the San Francisco 49ers. They go off of him because of his versatility, because of his effectiveness in the run game. Like, he's really great at that, but you can also line him up anywhere so you can play the

personnel game against defense. And, like, he's what makes him go. It's been tragedy, you know, tragic to see his year this year with his injuries and the Achilles and all that. And it's hurt the San Francisco 49ers. That tremendously. And then also talking about his family and just how legendary of athletes, his whole entire family is his mom also played at the University of Stanford and played soccer there. And that's probably what led him to go to the University of Stanford as well. Smart guy.

Yeah, I was just going to say that guy just doesn't have athletic ability. he's smart as well. I mean, I think Stanford's the Harvard of the West Coast. Isn't that correct? Yeah. That's what I've heard from others. I mean, I'm an East Coaster, so I only know about Harvard. I grew up right there. But I only learned about Stanford once I got into the PAC 10 when I went to the University of Arizona. But Stanford was a school I would never be going to do. Same with Harvard. I think that's bullshit. I think you could. I could if I really tried. But I wasn't really, I didn't really have school smarts. There's difference between school smarts and street smart stools. Yeah.

I didn't really care to know that I knew the whole entire dictionary or history book. Like it wasn't just my forte. But you just because you didn't care about it. That's right. Good point. Because if you cared about it. I mean, I've seen you practice.

I appreciate that. You study pretty hard. Thank you, man. Well, come into this. Rob will come with his little notepad and shit. Look at his voice apps. He's been taking notes for the guys that were doing. Like, when you care about something, you work hard.

he's had some crazy, crazy, crazy games. He was like the first player to go run for a touchdown, throw for a touchdown, and catch a touchdown since LT did it, which is crazy. He's just Mr. Versatile. I mean, he had the third most scrimmage yards in the single season in NFL history. I mean, the fantasy points this guy was throwing up,

he was winning fantasy games for individuals. you know, just by himself. A 471, in comparison to you had a 430. What do you have a 3.30? I mean, it's the second best season of all time that he had, you know, when he went, you know, for all those yards. What was it last year in San Francisco that year? There's the second best fantasy season in all of football after LT,

after his year in 2006. 2019. I mean, this guy is, like you said, he has great vision. He's super strong, so it's hard to take him down just one-on-one. I mean, a defensive tackle can take him down one-on-one. But when a linebacker or a safety comes at him, he can make a miss very easily. And also they just bounce right off of him, too,

if he has his balance on, if he's not, you know, coming off of, you know, one-foot step or somewhere getting hit. So it's very hard to tackle him. Great receiving back as well. I mean, like I said, he was strong. And no one can take him down one-on-one. A defensive tackle could,

but he would probably make a defense-tackle-de-tackle-miss if they were coming after him. Solid after the contact, obviously. That's what makes him strong. you know he's a strong player that's what makes that elite you know and he's a grinder no doubt about that loves to work out loves to have that yeah the offseason workouts he's been doing it looks like a fucking good god and he's just he makes sudden movements as well that sudden step very decisive that's what makes you a great running back that's what makes you great going through the holes and that's just what makes you a great football player is just being sudden and decisive and that's what he is

Rob. Yeah. So what if Brian Dayball was like your babysitter? Brian Daibow. Yeah. He was my babysitter. He was my coach for three years. He will he babysat me every freaking meeting and practice. What if he was your babysitter when you were like 11 or 12? How much smarter of a football player you think you'd be? Dude, I'd be a genius because Brian Daibble was a genius as well as engraving football into your body and love talking football. I would have been the smartest player probably in history if I, had Brian Daebel as my babysitter growing up. What if Kyle Shanahan was your babysitter? You'd probably be Christian McCaffrey.

Exactly. So smart. Well, that is why. So Brian Daible babysitting me if I was growing up is like, that's what I'm saying. Kyle Shanahan was. Yeah. Fricking CMC's babysitter growing up as a kid.

Well, because, you know, Ed McCaffrey played for the Broncos, won two Super Bowls at them. Mike Shanahan coach, son, Kyle Shanahan ball boy, probably hanging around with all the athletes and stuff. That's crazy. That is crazy. So he's got football in his blood. I mean, he's got specimen in his blood.

He's got football in his blood. I mean, he's had the hype his whole life. And he's always, he's always surpassed the hype. Also, you know, like, it's not just him. He has his brother who plays for the commanders. What's his name? He's got Luke, he's got Luke McCaffrey that plays with the commanders. I mean, how cool is it to have a brother in the national football league?

But, you know, you were the Christian. Christian one Christian type brother because you know and then you know the because I was the baller well there's there's superstars I know what you mean there's NFL players yes you know and then how do you think the your younger brother feels actually I love my younger brother he's great but like do they always like what do they think about like you're the gronk you're literally there's literally like little my daughter knows you as the gronk and like you're the youngest brother? Like how does that? Well first off you're the superstar brother how do you treat the younger well first off it wasn't even about that it was just super cool that even have a brother in the league and I actually

had three brothers in the league. Dan and Chris are my older brothers and I play with Dan in New England for like a couple games during that second year that I that I had the fantasy year as well my my best fantasy football season ever and actually actually best fantasy football season ever by a tight end as well so my brother Dan played with us a little bit. And then Chris actually played fullback. He played for the Broncos, the Chargers and also the Cowboys and Colts. You know, he played about

three and a half years. No, he was not on practice squad. So that's the only one I didn't play with Glenn, who's younger than me, four years younger than me. He was on the practice squad for us for one year. He started on the bills, actually. He got cut at the beginning of the year. I think after the first or second game that we picked

him up on the practice squad. And he was a kind of an all-purpose H-back. He was a, he was kind of an all-purpose H- You know, he could play fullback. He'd go go out in the slot, you know, position. And he was a great, you know, practice squad player for us. And it was actually ready at any time to get called up. But he was on the practice squad that year that we beat the Atlanta Falcons in the Super Bowl.

So he, my youngest brother has a ring. But, dude, let me tell you, it was the coolest experience having my brothers on the team and not just even having them on the team, just to have them in the NFL, man. It just makes you that much bigger of a fan of the NFL because you're just paying so much attention. and detail to what your brother's doing because you want him to be successful. You want him to have success. And you're going to tune into him because it just makes it that much more special to know that you know that person. And you just don't know him.

It's your freaking brother. It's your family member. So super cool, man. It's the best. It's the best. Do you remember, like, when you guys were kids dreaming about being in the NFL? And then do you ever remember a specific time? I wonder if they think about that as well.

You know what I mean? Because there's a time when you guys are all playing. football in the backyard where, you know, there's no rules. You're just tackling each other. But you're like, do you have, did you guys have that? 100% too. We always dreamed about making it to the NFL. And actually when you're in the backyard, you were never like your own person, you know,

you're never yourself. You're always that guy that you looked up to. So I loved Eric Mould's, bro. So like Eric Moll's wide receiver Buffalo Bills. So like every time I split out wide like in the backyard, like Eric Moll is coming at you, baby. I'm about to score. And then I catch you a big Eric Moll's.

I'm Eric Moles, here I come for you. You know, you're never yourself, you know, when growing up as a kid, you were always your hero, which was always cool. I mean, you guys are kind of the same. You had an Olympic, you had an Olympic grandfather that was like a bike suit. Yeah, he was a bicyclist. Yeah, that's what it was. He's right here. Yeah.

Oh, where? So he actually, just speaking about it because the Olympics were 100 years ago in Paris when he actually participated in that cycling, you know, year in the Olympics. that was 100 years ago because the Olympics were in Paris again this year, 2004. So it became a big story that my great-grandfather was in the Olympics in 1924 as a cyclist. He became and became, and he ended up in 45th place actually. And now I found out why. Because the French cheated. They made him change his bike.

They said his bike wasn't legal in 1924. The bike he's been training on. the bike he's been riding with. They made him switch out his bike, and the French gave him a bike to ride on in 1924 that he's never ridden on before in his life. Or honestly, he would have gotten fricking first place. They knew this world could not handle the Grancowski name

becoming that big time in 1924. So therefore, the French dethroned him. Put on. And gave him a bike that wasn't working. I swear the tires were flat. In French. The tires were flat. But, yeah.

Yeah, we go way back, just like the McAfrey family. Wow. Wow. So what is McCaffrey, Jules? Come on now. What, come on. Let's categorize him. Being around the Broncos organization as a kid,

you got the picture with Shannon Sharp, Uncle Shannon. I mean, that had to be so cool. Definitely. I mean, it was just in CMC's DNA just growing up, just the culture that was around him as well. His family, his dad was in the NFL. That, you know, Christian sitting on Shannon Sharp's, lap. I mean, he just saw it growing up. He saw what it took. And that's when

Christian McCaffrey kind of knew he was going to make it to the NFL because he was already so much better than, you know, everyone as well. And at seven years old, what do he do again that just kind of just blew up now that that's always talked about? Seven years old. Seven years old. What do you do? He freaking scored a touchdown. In the mascot game? In the mascot game. Like a little kid? As a little kid. He already knew he was going pro. He's around all pro players already yeah he's dominating on the field that's just a pop warner he scored a touchdown

on these guys yes and he pulled out a look at a little wait come on what do you do come on jules you know what he pulled the sharpie out and signed it come on the t o he did the t o before t o did the no is this is probably it is probably tio did it and then he did it no he did it it was uh what year is this and 2003 t o did it like way after 2000 no way really teo did it in like nal do it do it do it do it do it Oh, so he did the he did the T.O. After T.O. But all right. I mean, to do that as a seven-year-old kid, he still runs the same. You know what that makes you? Makes you a beast. Does anyone have that ball? Does anyone have the sign ball?

That was a quick signature, though. And then he just tossed it into the stands. Wow. He was eight. He was bred to do it. He was bred to do it. All right. All right. Time. So what kind of dude is Christian McCaffrey? I mean, after watching that clip, As a seven-year-old kid, I kind of already know what he is, man. There's no doubt about it in my mind. In his blood, he's gotten a pedigree, Heisman finalist, freaking all-time fantasy guy, top two.

I mean, he was supposed to do what he's doing. He's a fucking stud. He is a stud. Only a stud whips out that marker at seven years old. Seven years old doesn't T.O. And signs of football and just tosses it into the stands. Confidence, though. You see the confidence of the kid?

Knowing you're going to go pro. He didn't, even at that age. He wasn't John. He was like very professional of him. It was a professional freaking T.O. Celebration toss. On three, what is he? One, two, three.

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A little trivia. And who is next. But this dude is a former NFL running back who stood at 5 foot, 10 inches, and weighed 250 pounds. Stick, too. He played for the San Diego Chargers from 2001 to 2009 and the New York Jets from 2010 to 2011. He was born in Rose Bud, Texas.

Rose Bud, Texas. Where he attended Texas Christian University. TCU. Also known as. Marcus Canyon, the Frogs. DCU. He was selected by the San Diego Chargers with the fifth overall pick in 2001. He's running back to get dreaded high.

back then. Back then they were, man. Oh, back then running back was the dual position, man. Everyone wanted to be a running back. It was the golden charm boy to be a running back. Golden charm boy. Yeah. You know what I mean. I don't, but I like it. Lucky charms. But the golden lucky charms. Lucky charms. He notably set the record for most touchdowns in a single season with 31 and 2006. 31 touchdowns. Yes. That's a lot. That's about two per game. That's it's about 1.95 touchdowns per game. Because there's 16 games. 16 times 2 is 32 touchdowns,

but then he didn't have 32, we had 31. So it was kind of like he had 1.9 touchdowns a game. So what happened is one game, he only scored one touchdown. I think Ron could code. The same season in which he was named the league MVP was in 2006 when he had 31 touchdowns. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2017. And throughout his career,

he was a highly sought after player and fantasy leagues. He holds the record for points and a single fantasy PPR season with 481 points. Julian, who are we talking about, ladies and gentlemen? Ladanian Thomason.

And what do you think of when you hear of the name, the legend, Ladenian Thompson, Julie? What do I think of? I think of... Hold on, let me answer this question. I think of the San Diego Chargers and why they're still not in San Diego and why they are in Los Angeles sharing a stadium with the freaking whatever other team, but with the Rams when they can be in San Diego

Dale because when I think of LT, I think of San Diego and how he put that city on the map. Dude, he really did. I think of just swag. Swaggy. I think of his dark visor. I remember I was a little kid doing the touchdown dance. Like he's he scored so many touchdowns. It just seemed like he scored two or three touchdowns every game. Like, and he literally did. If you, everyone was an LT fan. I mean, how could you not be an LT fan? I mean, he was so elusive on the field.

Like, he, he was a guy that made you jump off of your seat. Even if you weren't a San Diego Chargers fan, even if your team was facing his team, it didn't matter. You appreciated who LT was out on the football field. And what's so great about him is that he was so good in the past. game as well. He never had a thousand yard rushing season and a thousand yards. Low key past game guy. Receiving, you know, season. But like you said, he was super low key

in that. And he had these two routes that kind of made him the player that he was in the receiving game. Yeah, you know, we all know as him as the rusher and how he made everyone miss. He had a solid, solid, stiff arm. You know, he always kept his feet moving as well after he got hit. So that's kind of what made him

break the tackle every single time is that when you keep your feet moving. Well, he was like, the guy that did that the best. But what made him super special in the receiving game was that he had this seam route out of the backfield. I know you've seen it before. We were watching it.

We were. Seven of them, eight of them. And somehow Drew Breeze and Phillip Rivers would find him every time going up that seam route. It was a mismatch every time he would go versus that linebacker or that safety that was supposed to be covering him. But then also right off of it, he had another route

that would branch off of the scene. He countered it. He countered it. And that's why it kept all these guys guessing. He was so quick, too, at planting his foot and breaking out of the seam that no one can get him on the angle route either. So it's kind of like you thought he was going to run up the seam, run up the hash, and boom, he was playing his foot and he would just angle right across the field.

And boom, the quarterback would just dump it to him. It was just an easy 10 to 15 yards or possibly a touchdown because every time LT touched the ball, it could possibly be a touchdown because he was that great. But that's what made him great in the passing game, I feel like, because of those two routes right there. 100%. He also had a fucking insane stiff arm. You saw him stiff arm very like a lot guys to the ground. You had a great stiff arm. Rob, what's the key to a great stiff arm? I wasn't a good step. I had short arms. I could never get my goddamn arm out there. I said I couldn't stiff arm. I've seen you stiff arm guys the ground. I've seen him stiff arm guys to the ground. How do you stiff arm a guy to the ground? Well, Joel being stiff is always great. I can tell you that, man. It works in all aspects of life, especially on the football field.

Oh, man. Oh, man. You want to be stiff two times in your life, and it's kind of contradicting itself, because one is you're marrying a woman. That's the night you want to be stiff on your wedding night. And the other time you want to be stiff is when 11 guys are chasing you,

which kind of contradicts about being stiff and when to be stiff. But the key to a great stiff arm is just feeling yourself, feeling strong at the moment, man. Just freaking feeling like no one can take you down. and having that right angle at the defender. I mean, if he's too close to you, you can't stiff arm. It has to be timed up perfectly. I've had a couple good stiff arms in my career,

but it's because it times up perfectly where you can just reach out and boom, you can hit the guy. If he's too close to you or too far away, you've got to be able to time it up perfectly. But LT was so special that he could time up that stiff arm at the perfect time every time so he could get the guy off of him so he couldn't tackle him. So that's what makes LT so great.

Timing. The timing. the stiff arm and the angle of it as well that's what makes a great stiff arm yeah i guess i didn't have good timing yeah yeah or short arms i don't think you've ever had a stiff arm did you i didn't really have any stiff arms i had one on maybe in buffalo yeah but it was more the guy was down i was stiff arm myself to propel myself but we're talking about a stiff arm but what i loved about him as well is that he's he's just his shivered man out on the field man he's shivered every defender and made him just fall straight on their face every game, at least one or two defenders every single game. He protects the ball

well. I don't, yeah, I don't, I never remember him fumbling. And another thing that I loved about him that you love too is that he love going airborne on the goal line. Dude, talk about that, Jules. And talk about as a fan, like how you just love to see that. Well, he used to do the jump man all the time. And, and I remember when we would, install. What is it? It would be like something jump. Like we would throw on footage of LT jumping because he knew the perfect timing on when to jump, how to jump, the angle to jump, the direction to jump, and he was explosive as fudge. So like it was just crazy. I'm hungry. It was he, I mean, we were watching all his highlights and we watched like this top 60 play.

He had like six, seven, eight of these kind of touchdowns. I mean, It wasn't like it was a one-time thing. There used to be a play where LT jump over fucking pile. It was fucking remarkable to watch. This guy was so good at scoring as well. I mean, obviously, he would get yards, first downs. He would move the ball. But this guy was also, obviously, what makes you the greatest fantasy football player

is that you've got to score points. You got to get in the end zone. Because you can have five carries for 50 yards, but that's still only like five points. One touchdowns, like whatever, seven points or however the scoring goes in fantasy. Every league's different. this guy has five four touchdown games and his career. I don't think that's ever been done by any other player,

but to have four touchdowns a game, I never even had a four touchdown game. You had four three touchdown games. I did have four three touchdown games. One of those. Have we ever had a game where we combined for four touchdowns in our career? I don't know. I don't think so.

That just shows how great LT was. Did you, did you have a, what? I had a two touchdown game. Vers two. A bunch of couple. I had two against Denver, one against Miami. Well, I can't recall these situations. Maybe if we did have one, if we did have a combined four touchdowns,

it only happened once. He had how many? Maybe twice in our career. And he had five, four touchdown games. So just imagine how many three touchdown games he had. Imagine how many two touchdown games he had as well. Three of them in one year. Oh my God, back to back.

Also, he has the most consecutive games with a touch. as well with 18 he's tied with Lenny Moore yeah you remember I remember watching ESPN they'd always have the LT update when we were kids you know you get the sports center it was kind of like when Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire were in that home run race they had always like with LT and he was on so many touchdowns they had that like LT fucking race thing for the record he he got it right it was crazy 31 touchdowns mm-hmm 31 touchdown you ever You ever meet LT?

I never met LT before, man. Actually, I know, I don't think I have, man. If I did, it was really quick in an event, but I don't think I did. Yeah, I never met him before. But I've only heard great things about him. And there's actually a key to his success. And you know about the key to his success because you worked with the guy that was the key to L.T. success.

Who is now the key to Tom Brady's success, or not now, but was the key to Tom Brady's success. He was the guy. guy, you know, that, that, you know, kept everyone healthy out on the field. You know who I'm talking about. Alex Guerrero. AG, baby. That was this is. Yes.

Before AG was known, he was working on guys. Before he ever even met Tom Brady, AG was doing his work, you know, that he was born to do. And he kept LT healthy throughout all of his years at LT. L.T. gave A.G. a shout out in his Hall of Fame speech. And LT, from what I recall, never suffered a serious injury in the game of football because of the work that AG does. So that just shows. Longevity.

Longevity. If you take care of your body, you know, if you get someone to, you got to, it's football. You're going to get bruises. You're going to have scar tissue build up. You got to get that worked out. And LT was one of the few that understood that. And he was lucky to have a guy like AG so LT can go throughout his whole career healthy. So shout out to AG for keeping one of the greatest running.

backs of all time healthy baby yeah i remember at a geo he just talked about him like l t mccardinal or who like who's the receiver keenan mcardale he did kean mcardell i know who had a long he's a long career and and had longevity as well dude you got to have the body guy and i mean L t he was fucking healthy running back he didn't miss relatively many games i mean i actually tackled him and i think i heard him i was actually going to bring that up, Jules, because I have a bone to pick with you because he played for the New York Jets his last two years. He was so, so on, on, you know, those last two years with the Jets. I mean, unbelievable. He still made plays. Still made plays, but that was the year that you were on defense playing whatever's position you played on defense. You were all over the place. No,

you were all purpose on defense. Oh, star. B. Oh, because you're a star, Joe. No, but I was. That's why. Yeah, no, you're not a nickel. You're freaking, you're a dime, if anything. Yeah, I actually did play dime. You're a dime and you're a star, my boy. okay nickel you know that's a guy like like amadola his head's getting too big from dancing with the star he's that I want to knock him down now he thinks he's a dime but he a nickel no he's a nickel his hat's getting big okay he's a nickel he's a dancing with the star uh he is you're right he's a true star actually but uh so you tackled him a few times what was that like and why did you do what you did to him bro why it's l t we love l t

Why did you do that? I tore his MCL and I think it was his last play. I think it was. Sad. It is sad, bro. It is sad. It's crazy. That was my first game.

I played DB. They put me in the meetings that week. I didn't think I was actually going to play that week. And then we were, I think we were winning a bunch at the end or we had a 10 point lead. So they wanted to see what I would look like. We had a cushion. And I went in and they gave a ball to L.

he opened up the hole I went to plug it and I went low on him because I'm fucking going head up with goddamn LT and I ended up taking his legs out I think it was his last play I felt terrible felt terrible I loved him as a kid I was my guy LT I think we talked about it once I've met LT like at a some some kind of function and LT was so loved and respected by not just the fans but everyone in the NFL all the players that everyone was sad even though we were facing the Jets teams on the Jets Like I was sad that LT went down and like other players were sad LT went done. Because he was such a legend. It's so cool that you tackled LT. Not so cool they got hurt in one of your tackles. I mean, but that was your first game. You were just learning how to tackle. Like you can't,

you can't blame you at all. It was a fair hit, fair play. But how cool like to say that you just even tackled LT, one of the greatest running backs. One of the best. Never thought about it. One of the most elusive running backs of all time too.

Like that's that should be in your resume that. you tackled LT, bro. And you're an offensive player. Like, that's why it should be in your resume. Because I tackle Shady McCoy too. Yeah. I tackled Shady McCoy too. He jumped over me one time too.

Fucking Shady. Yeah. Shady. I love Shady. He was that to tackle him again. He jumped over because I wouldn't get him low. Great locker room guy. Oh.

All right. Also, so we already know that L.T. All purpose player can do it all. But one thing we didn't talk about is just how good he was at throwing the ball as well. I mean, he has some passing stats that is probably a better. QBRs and some of these quarterbacks of this year in a game. Yeah, seven touchdown passes.

Eight for 12, 143 yards he has thrown for in his career. Seven touchdowns and he has 146.9 rating as a QBR. I mean, damn good rating. Sign them up right now. A lot of these teams are hurting for a quarterback. Damn good rating.

Well, Jules, he wasn't six for six like you. He doesn't have 100% completion percentage. You do. Yeah, I'm, And your and your rating was better too. Your rating was what like 150. I'm a math guy. So like 158.3 rating.

Am I right? Uh, also you had a hundred 28 yards you threw four and two touchdowns. Some say that is that perfect rating? You are a diamond and a star to me, baby. That would say that's a perfect rating. I don't know. I always knew you were a perfect, buddy.

Yeah, but you're one dude that is just perfect. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, he was also a monster in college. Oh, T-CU.

horn frogs oh he's horny he had a 400 yard game in college he just took that the he went the he took that the wrong direction didn't win the heisman how is that because Chris Winky Chris Winkie won the Hizman I don't even know Chris Winky is

I remember him I don't Florida State well I also didn't watch football like that growing up he played for the Carolina Panthers when he was like 30 he was like a rookie well what about his best game at TCU I mean it was ridiculous it was better than video game numbers. Yeah, he had 43 carries four and six yards and six touchdowns. Ridiculous. God. He should have been number one overall. Who was drafted number one overall that year?

In, in what, 2001 it was? Who was it? Because what? Michael Vick. All right, you can't, you can't argue that. Can't argue that. Yeah. All right. Maybe he shouldn't have been drafted number one then. Yeah, Vic. Vic was the man. What a class, though. Michael Vic is the running quarterback who started the running quarterback position, basically. And then you got L.T. who, who freaking innovated the game as well. All right. Joel. We've been talking about LT for a little bit. What type of guy is LT? I mean, he's had pedigree.

He had the best, almost the best single season, fantasy. He had the best single season in fantasy for a pro. He had a 400-yard game as a college kid. I mean, he was drafted four overall. Five, five touchdown games. This guy, he's got five of them.

So in five games, he scored 20 touchdowns. Put it that way. That's, yeah, a lot. It took me 16 games to score 18 touchdowns. Yeah. This guy's a full-blown on three. One, two, three. Stud.

Athleticism, football IQ, moves, balance. He's a stud. Always keeps his feet moving. Face mask. He just had that dark visor. That's a stud. He's a stud. He's a stud.

Send it off in the mail. USPS. Bye bye. Let's get on to the next dude. All right, next dude. Synopsis, here we go. What's AI have to say about this dude? I love dudes, man, especially the first dude and the second dude is always a nice dude.

Oh, this guy's got my heart. The third dude has your heart. This guy's got my heart. All right, here we go. This dude standing at 5 foot, 10 inches and weighing 206 pounds was a versatile NFL running back. He is born in New Orleans, Louisiana. Hey, Julian, where's the Super Bowl? this year. A little quick trivia. Okay.

Is it New Orleans or is it New Orleans? I think it's Nalins. That's Nalins? Combinedia? I think that's like the Frenchy way of saying or like the Nolins. We're going to Nilelands for the Super Bowl this year. We're going to be on TV for Fox doing the pregame show. Check us out at Nileans, baby. All right, back

to the synopsis. All right. Born in New Orleans, Louisiana. He would go out to play college four, at San Diego State, where he was a two-time All-American. He played for the Indianapolis coach, your favorite team, Julian, from 1994 to 1998, and the St. Louis Rams from 1999 to 2005. The greatest show on turf, he was sure part of. Actually, he was the show on turf, baby. He was drafted as a little trivia as the what,

just take a guess, one through four. Two, ding, ding, ding, you are correct. He was drafted as a second overall pick in 19. 1990 between 3 and 5. 4. 1994 NFL drop. That is correct. You're a genius, Jules. He was widely regarded. No wonder why you could play freaking defense and offense at the same time.

No way. He was widely regarded as one of the greatest running backs in NFL history. And in your mind, he was... I think he's the greatest of all time. There we go. He has your heart. He was known for his speed, power, and ability to excel both as a rusher and a receiver. He was named NFL MVP in 2000. Three offensive player of the year awards and a Super Bowl

championship. He was elected to Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2011, which was my fantasy football season that I dominated. So Marshall Falk and I, we have a connection. 2011. He went into the Hall of Fame 2011. I had my best fantasy football season, baby. Oh,

we're on the same page. So we're on to Marshall Falk. Oh, oops. Oops. Oops. I gave it away. I'm so sorry. Oh, he is still regarded as one of the best fantasy football running backs of all time, but fantasy football was even that big in the 90s and 2000s, but he still regarded as one of the best. That's how good he was, Jules.

We're on to Marshall Falk. Marshall Falk. First thing that comes to mind when I think about Marshall Falk. It's what, Jules, what comes to your mind? Greatest show on turf. He's the best running back of all time in your heart. You watch Marshall Falk. He reminds you of Barry Sanders,

and he also, like, he had the stop go. He was really good at cutting back. He had really great vision. He's bigger than what you thought. And then you throw in the past game where he is the original. I mean, there's Roger Craig and those old West Coast, but he was like the original fucking personnel problem guy where like he got thousand. I think he did the thousand thousand.

He did that one time, but he had a lot like 800, 900, 400, 400, 500, 500, 5. Like he was a pivotal part of their past game. he was great in the run game and he didn't get hurt he was healthy his whole career like he didn't miss games that's like unreal especially how he played I mean he missed a game here

or two but he didn't have any significant time message so like he's I think one of the he's probably because of that this is a newer style football of being someone that is using the past game it was super kind of like not knowing

when Roger Craig and those old 49ers and those bills teams, those running shoe teams and West Coast team, it wasn't like normal. After Marshall Falk, people were trying to make Marshall Falk. And then you get LTs and then you get the Christian McCaffreys. It is because Marshall Falk, man, took it to a whole other level. I mean, I think he just, you know, miss only, you were talking about how prolific of a player he was in sustainability.

I think he just missed only 16 games in his 12 years of playing. and at the running back position, getting what, what, 30 plus carries a game, getting tackled that many times and just to miss 16 games out of 12 seasons is just incredible. All those catches as well. Running full speed downhill, a linebacker running full speed at you and getting blown up and just still being able to be that sustainable and have that longevity is just out of control. And the synopsis, the AI also missed that he was a seven-time pro bowler. He was a three-time all-pro.

You know, he was rookie of the year in 1994 as well. well. So right when he got on the scene, he was producing, man. He was not a bus at all. Obviously, not a boss. We're talking about him as a great of all time, but he was producing right away. So he made that GM feel very good right from the beginning. Greatest show on turf. Obviously, that's what you think of him whenever you hear about him, which was one of the coolest, you know, names that you could be, you know, associated with in all of football. And what's great about Marshall Fogg and L.T. as well, is that these guys were the running backs when the running back position was the absolute cheat. Like everyone wanted to be a running back growing up.

Best player. Not really anymore, but this. Coming back. It's coming back. It is coming back. Look at all the great teams right now. Where these guys, where everyone growing up, even if you were a defense alignment, you still wanted to be a running back.

I was a tight end. I wanted to be a running back because of these guys, L.T. and Marshall Falk, baby. No, without a doubt. Isn't it crazy to think? He played with Peyton Manning. Hey, Manning? Yeah, he played...

Payton Manning. All this shit, too, though. Yeah. No, but he... No one remembers him. Everyone forgets about how good of a cult he was. He's got his jerseys in the rafters. He played four years there, and they retired his jersey.

He was rookie of the year. His first game on the scene goes for 134, three touchdown debut. Like, that's crazy. He just, he was a fucking machine. He hit you, like, he hit you with the run, run, long run, hit you at the backfield. Talk about seam route. We talked about seam route with LT. He ran seam routes.

He ran post. I saw him run a bang A, a post from the outside, which is a real receiver route. He used to run real receiver routes. Now, they always throw this, this running back can run routes like a receiver, which, you know. Which is rare. Like you can't, you can tell when it's a running back that split out. especially in this area. Even now,

a lot of guys, even the analysts will say this guy runs, he's got routes like a receiver. But no. No, that analyst is wrong. Yeah. Marshall Falk, though? He had routes like a receiver.

Yes, he did. He had routes like a receiver. If you can run a post route, split out wide and run a post route as a running back, that means you got routes like a wide receiver. That, I mean, in cuts, outcuts, option routes. The typical route for a running back right now,

five yard hits route. freaking uh we started one step turn around what's that called again real quick like the quick pass you just step one turn screen yeah a little screen rip screen to you they also a little under angles and the seams out of the backfield marshall fogg was running the whole entire freaking route tree route tree yes that's for sure i mean in two 1999 1300 yards rushing a thousand 48 receiving chris johnson broke his record in 2009 though 2500 yards man i've I forgot how good Chris Johnson was. Oh, Chris Johnson.

CJ 2K, baby. Yeah, he did. That was crazy that year. The three-year run in St. Louis with the greatest show on turf, 1999 through 2001. He had 59 touchdowns, 6,756 yards at offense. And he won MVP in 2000. And a Super Bowl. That is an elite three years spin.

Now, that's a show, if you ask me. I mean, Marshall Falk made playing on turf cool, even though playing on turf wasn't cool. Like, everyone wanted turf fields in high school because of Marshall Falk and the greatest show on turf. But you get so bruised and banged up playing on turf that it was the worst idea ever to even step on turf. And it was old turf. You know what's crazy? He was on old turf and he played that many games and didn't miss that many games. That is crazy. That is like, that's built differently.

You want to hear a little cool fun fact? John Payton was his running back coach at the San Diego State University when San Diego State. He was there playing running back. How does a guy? How's crazy. You know what? Know what it tells you?

There's a lot of unscouted guys in Louisiana if he's going to San Diego State. Well, talk about getting unscouted. He only had one offer. That's what I mean. Yeah, and it was to San Diego State. That's what I mean. You get, that's how much talent there is probably goes unseen in Louisiana. I mean, you went unseen and you were California.

We got a lot of big people. But you weren't that good in high school. I was pretty nice. But also his high school, they were kind of like a heavy passing offense as well. Like they didn't really. Okay. But he must have not been that great in high school, though, because if you're that great, you kind of like changed from going to a heavy passing offense.

Like, you know, let's hand the ball off. Like this guy's a hundred times better. But like he must have really burst onto the scene at San Diego State University. Like once he got in the college, kind of like you, Jules a little bit. Not everyone is a beast from the beginning. Late Blooms Day College. Yeah, maybe I'm telling you this. It's better to be a late bloomer than an early bloomer.

How about? I can tell you that right now. It sucks to be the greatest as a young buck, and then you don't make it. No, yeah. So late bloomers, I'm a late bloomer. I think you just bloomed. Yeah. He sold popcorn at the Superdome as a kid.

How crazy is that? That is pretty crazy. But that's a lot of stories. That just shows because that just shows us work ethic. as a kid that's installed into him and that's like that's what makes you great like I was a paper boy growing up and I took that route personal and I wanted

to make sure everyone had that paper on their front porch when they woke up in the morning with the coffee in their hand opening up the door like the hard work and dedication was just installing to you as a young kid and that's just like Marshall Fox selling popcorn at the Superdome he wanted the job and he wanted to get it done

you ever have any crazy jobs as a kid I was a paper boy I was also an umpire as a kid and uh I was a I cooked let me see your strike three let me see your strike three you out of here mother trucker because you used to ring these kids I used to do I used to umpire at college in Kent and I used to ring up these kids all the time how I'd change it up certain kid lefty I mean I got in a real you sounded like a like a true pro right there but that that's you you love like yeah you love the animated effects and you sounded like oh you got me there

shit i just struck out over here with that strike i would over here and ring these little kids up send them home yeah i got a real pickle ones doing what let's hear it i like pickles yeah especially angelica pickles rug rats do do do do do no she she was mean actually yeah that pickles of me. All right. All right. Back to your pickle. Oh, oh, Tommy Pickles, too. Tommy Pickles is my favorite. Oh, pickle like you're in baseball. Like you're getting a pickle. Oh, you're that type of pickle. Okay.

Literally. That was my favorite. You ever play running bases growing up? 100%. Yeah. It's all about being a pickle. Because kids love to play that game pickle. In this specific league, there was a rule where they couldn't, like, the catcher couldn't sit and fake throw the ball at first. so like they had to throw it back and the runner couldn't advance

to try to eliminate to try to eliminate pickle. So one time the kids are doing it and all of a sudden I tell the catcher I'm like kid throw it back to the pitcher he ain't going nowhere well he throws it back the kid takes off and I'm like oh fuck

and so all of a sudden they throw it and the kid it goes over the kid's second basement the kid gets all the way to third and all of a sudden the coach is yelling the catcher, why did you throw it back? And the kid looks at me and he goes, the ump told me to throw it back. So I'm sitting there. I got this coach over here. There's another coach over there. And I'm like, yeah, you got to go back to first. All of a sudden, this coach comes out. I was like,

what the hell is you talking about? He's on third. He's on. I was like, no, he's got to go back. I told the kid to throw it back. You know the rule. We can't do that. And I almost had to get suspended as umpire because this guy filed a report like oh this guy can't do it so i'm sitting there this little kid as soon as the pitcher comes back and i get under there and it's just me and him because you know you have relationship with the catcher when you're behind the plate i go bro didn't your friends ever teach you about snitches and the kid goes what i was like nothing strike But fucking old, yeah. Having a job as a kid, I mean, it teaches you a lot of values.

I mean, it sure does. You know, especially Marshall Falk selling popcorn at the Superdome. Popcorn, popcorn. Who wants some popcorn? All right. And then just a little scouting port that I have on Marshall Falk, just watching some of his film, highlight film, his top plays is that obviously he has a high football IQ

to be able to, you know, come out of the backfield and run all the routes and also to be able to be able to, to carry the ball and know how to hit the gaps. You got to know the whole game of football. When you're that versatile of a player, you've got to have a high football IQ, which a lot of football players obviously have a high football IQ, but he had it to a whole other level,

and he's so elusive on the field. He makes defenders miss. But the one thing I really loved about him was he had one of the best spin moves, man. Spin moves off the charts. He's just smooth with it, too. Remember when we were watching some research, and there was a clip of Mike Martz.

Remember we were talking? He was the head coach of the greatest show on turf. Yeah, I remember what did he say about him? What do you say? Well, Marshall was, you know, tell him, they have all these notes for installation.

And Marshall's got all these pens out and he's got very critique notes and using different colors for different positions, different players. And I guess Marshall looks back at the guy, the team and he goes, how the hell is no one else writing notes? Because look at all this information.

You know, that's the kind of guy he was. He was a smart, hardworking dude that, worked his balls off for everything he had. It wasn't like he was just that. I mean, he was that guy, but it's crazy. He, I mean, he rivaled. I used to love Barry Sanders. And then, you know, I just remember as a kid, this guy,

Marshall Falk was just so crazy elite. He reminded me a little bit of Barry Sanders with his cutting and his, he could drop his weight and stuff. He was taller. He wasn't as short as Barry, but like, he was kind of. Kind of like Barry Sanders, and then he was also a really good receiver. Yeah, he was like a little bit thicker than Barry Sanders, but also he can go out and run routes.

Yeah, it's crazy. That's why, like, I was thinking about it, and I was, we were watching all this research, and I'm sitting there, I'm like, dude, this is like probably one of the best, this is the best guy of all time. Look at these plays. He is. And just talking about his football. But it's crazy. Then you watch Jim Brown.

You watch Walter Pay. and I don't know if it's just because I just watched it. So many good running backs, bro. So many good. It's hard to decide and decipher like who's number one. But just talk about his football IQ. I mean, look at this quote from Sean Payton. He knew not only the offensive side of the football, but also the defensive protections.

And he knew the quarterback play as well and he studied it hard. That's just from Sean Payton. Michael Strahan said he was a coach out there. He's quoted saying that. So like, that just shows how smart of a player he was. And that's what took his game to a whole other level. as well. So just speaking of that, Jules, what type of guy is Marshall Falk? What kind of dude? What kind of dude is he?

What kind of dude is Marshall Falk? I mean, he hits a lot of things. These running backs are over talking about them. None of them are actually like freaks. Like none of them stand out to you like that. Like I would say like, look, Garrett Blunt was a freak because he like he was like six four. Derek Henry. Yeah, Derek Henry is a freak. Like these guys aren't freaks like that. I mean, they're not, no, but they had, it's, it's freaky that. It's freaky what they're doing, but they're not freaks in our type of categorize. It's pretty freaky how healthy he was for how much football he played. Yeah.

I mean, he's got some dog tendencies. He's clearly a freaking stud. But when I think of him, I think of him as an innovative guy. We're on the same page, brother. Same page. He pretty much. Because how smart he was. Smart and how he's changed the running back position to what it's become now.

Look at Sequel. Barkley out of the backfield. Look at, look at Christian McCaffrey out of the back field. You know, it's such a pivotal part of a lot of these offenses, a running back. They usually have a two-headed monster, you know, Detroit has, you know, Montgomery and Gibbs and Alger and, and, uh, Robinson and Atlanta, these two, this guy did all three downs and was just as good as all those guys and better at a lot of these, at everyone at both of them. Like, that's how good Marshall Falk was. He, he invented a position. He evolved the running back position.

That's why I think he's a whiz. Hey, I'm on the same page and just his football IQ and just the coaches and former players that just talk about how smart he was and how he knows everything that's going out, you know, going on on the football field. That takes your game to a whole nother level. I mean, you can be an freak of an athlete, you know,

but if you don't know what to do out on the football field, you're not a good football player. You can be less of an athlete, but you know what's going on with the game of football. And he wasn't less of an athlete. You can be that much better than the guy that's more athletic than you out on the football field. You're a better football player because of that. And what's also crazy is Marshall Falk had 760 receptions in his career for 600.

More than me. In 7875 yards, Julian, in the regular season. You had 620 receptions only for 6,822 yards. And he was a running back and he had more receptions in yards than you, which is, of control. I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying that's how good Marshall Falk was back in the day. And guess what? They didn't throw the ball as much either back in that era, you know, back in the late 90s, 2000. We'd also be so crazy not to mention one thing. Kevin Falk's his cousin. That's the, that would they just, they just, bloodline. They have some crazy running backs that know how to catch out of

the backfield in that bloodline. And run the ball as well. Well, I mean, K Falk, all of our past game was the K Falk. It was. And he was like one of the most elite punt And he was one of the smartest players on the football field as well. These folks. He knew what was going on. He knew what the linemen were doing, what the quarterback was doing. What the fuck? What the fuck?

How are you guys so smart? And good. Yeah. And freaking great teammates. Yeah. Great teammates. Well, what kind of dude is he, Jules? You ready?

On three. One. Two. Three. Whiz. Stamp it. Put it in the math. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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So, you know, our producers, Kyler and Jack and everyone helped us with some guys. Love our producers. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Kyle's Jack. Let's orchestrate a lineup. Jack, Kyler. This is a PPR lineup, I think.

We're going to quarterback, running back, running back, receiver, tight end. defense special team kickers. So we're going to go, okay, there's no, there's no flex. No, that's all right. All right, we did. We just added a flex. No, no, no, no flex. Do you know, brother.

All right. I'm taking you down this week in fantasy. You're going down. One and 12, going to be two and 12, baby. No shot. I'm not even taking Jamal Williams out of the freaking bye week either. I'm going to start him still. That's how confident I am.

Put a fork in them. Um, quarterback. Now is this all time seasons? Our quarterback, we gotta go with Peyton. We gotta go. I mean, do you go with Tom? I mean, it's obvious. We got to pick,

all right. Yeah, I know. We just love, we do love you. But sometimes I feel like we're just picking you too many times, Tom. Yeah, but it. But how you're the greatest. So it's not our fault, you know? I know, like,

I just don't want you to get sick of us talking about you, okay? Okay, Tom. We're picking Tom, fucking Brady. Yeah, Tom Brady. Let's go, baby. Running back. Running back.

Oh, well, obviously we're going with, yeah. No, no. L.T. had the greatest fantasy football season of all time. Oh, you get two. Okay, Marshall Falk and L.T. L.T. Let's go. Also, it's not per year.

It's like I just got confused. Yes, LT had that one season where it's the greatest of all time in fantasy, but this is overall. And both of those two are actually the greatest two of all time overall. also LT, Marshall Falk, our two running backs, baby. Receiver. Ooh, got to go Randy. Randy was probably nasty.

Oh, Randy, I mean, also Randy and then whatever. Jamar. Jamar Chase is, he had a fucking foreigner. He had that crazy game. I might go with Jamar right now. What about Jerry Rice, brother? Where's Jerry? Why is Jerry not on the list?

I mean, the guy played football for like 25 plus years. Randy Jerry. Randy Jerry. Definitely Jerry Moss, bro. Come on. Randy Jerry. Jerry Randy. Yeah.

Tight end. I mean, we got to go with you, Rob. All right, fine. We got to go with Rob. I'll accept that. Thanks. I mean, he had, was that the best fantasy year of all time?

Yes, yes. There you go. Special team's defense. Special teams defense was probably a Baltimore Ravens team. Wouldn't you say that? 85 bears. Yeah. Oh, the 85 bears would be a great thing.

Or Legion of Boom years. Or the Ravens. I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with. the Baltimore Ravens. I feel like they're just the most known fierce defense of all times. And special teams were always good. Yep. Let's go. Ravens. 2000 Ravens.

That's just an error, that whole error of that decade, the 2000 decade. Yeah. With the Ravens. Just Ray Lewis and freaking the safety. Ed Reed was Red Reed was there a whole time. So just the decade of the Ravens in the 2000s. And then kicker.

I mean, we got to go with probably Adam Venetary, correct? I mean, Steve was, yeah. I love Steve. I love, I love Gus Toski, bro. He was clutch. You know Gus Toski was clutch, bro. He came through big for us plenty of times.

Steve, yeah. He had like the best record of overall kicking percentage until he hurt his hip. And then his hip went and then he started missing a little member. And then we put him on an hour. And then he just golfers or. Yeah, not golfers, but kickers. He had a couple solid years after the hip. Yeah.

But that fucked him up a little. Yeah, a little. I mean, injuries. Those guys are super. That's why it makes me wonder about Justin Tucker. Does Justin Tucker have, you know, something going wrong? Because he's missing some stuff that we don't. There's got to be.

But the thing with Tucker is, bro, like people are acting like, like he can't like kick the ball that far anymore. Like he's just shanking him. Like, and it's bad. Like he's barely missing these. I know, but that's heady. That's head stuff. Like he's barely missing.

I'm talking like a foot to the left, a foot to the right. Like I'm thinking like how everyone's ripping on him. I'm like, wait, that was a very solid. I know I don't rip them I feel bad it's tough man because you know that's how that's how the football gods they humble you sometimes they do never get the football never get up here never have a big head in football because you like you said you'll oh football gods will come and just swipe you right out underneath your feet and just humble you the next week when was that's what I've learned when was you're learned about football in my life where is your humble experience I had one too all right I mean NFL humbled you well well it's here yours Well, mine was, I remember in 2015, we were balling. Remember, we started out 10 and oh, we just won our Super Bowl.

Yes. I was lighting it up. Like, I think it was week nine, and I had like 60 catches, seven touchdowns. I was like just fucking, we were on a roll. And like, I remember I bought a condo in Boston, and I was sitting there, and I was redoing it. I was sitting in there. Big shot. Yeah.

And it was empty. fully i was it was completely demoed like i was just sitting in there imagining what i was doing with and i was sitting there like man this is awesome i feel like football's real at an easy point you know and i remember the next week i broke my foot and like i remember specifically thinking when i broke my foot of that situation i was in the condo thinking man the football god's fucking sat me down and said shut the fuck up and it hurt me that's why and that's why i always got crazy at the end of wins and stuff like super like yo it's not over yet we got to wait to this this that because anytime i thought things were great i got slapped down 100% i learned my after my second year like um you know

when i when i injured my ankle going into the super bowl in 2000 whatever in that a fc championship game versus ravens and then that off season like i still thought i was unstoppable and invincible you know from the season so i i did terrible rehab i was still going out on on on my boot like I'm supposed to be on crutches and I'm freaking already walking on the boot drunk and all that stuff thinking I'm going to heal like totally you know normal and then like training camp comes and I became like I was the best tight end like ever and I like swear I became like the worst tight end ever when that training camp came because like I had to pretend I was healed even though my ankle was messed up still because I was just so young and dumb that I thought I was

going to heal no matter what and I was doing all the things that gronk was doing you know that what everyone loved rock for so at least everyone loved me for it but when it came down to that camp the following year bro i couldn't get open for nobody my ankle was messed up it wasn't firing my whole body wasn't firing that's when i learned like oh my gosh man like i thought i was the greatest thing you know yeah i kind of was but i'm going to get knocked out right after i get get up out of this chair i'm going someone's going to just come and hit me for saying that no just getting my head too big but i just showed right there that hey you got to put the work in and I thought just thought it was going to come down to me the football guys boom you got to put the

work in if you don't even when you get hurt you know when you get knocked down you got to put the work back in to come back up and that's when I truly learned like hey I got to truly start taking care of myself that was one of the times that my eyes were open like wow like wow I suck right now because I didn't really take care of myself like how I was supposed to and the football world just comes and smacks you right in the face just like that that's why I came over the term happily miserable because I had to be in a miserable mindset in order to be happy because if I was happy

then it would make me miserable if by something bad happening do that's science I 100% agree with you bro because when you're miserable you're trying to do everything right to get back to happy and when you're happy for too long you forget about it doing all the right things that got you to be happy so you got to become miserable

again you're a freaking genius Jules you are a geez that's some due knowledge right there that's dude on due knowledge Hopefully share that with the world, brother. We got it. Share it. I have. I made a T-shirt.

Right there. Read the whole. What's our team, Rob? All right. Quarterback position. We got the goat. We got the greatest. We got the quarterback that we actually made famous Julian.

Tom Brady, ladies and gentlemen. A lot of touchdowns for you. And then I running back, Laddian Tomlison and running back Marshall Falk, the two greatest fantasy football players of all time, wide receiver. We got the straight cash homie right there. Shout out. shirt, Jules. Shout out to Randy. Randy Moss. Love him. Baby. Also,

wide receiver Jerry Rice, who played like 50 years and this absolutely dominated every single year that he played. And then defense, special teams. We got the Baltimore Ravens decade of the 2000s because they were just absolute savages. They put the fear

in everyone that they were lining up against Ray Lewis. They were led by him who's one of the greatest linebackers, if not one of the greatest landbacker of all time. And then we're going with kicker, Stephen Gus Are we going Guskowski? Or we're going with Guskowski? No, we're going to go Vintyri.

We do got to go veter. We do. I love Guskowski, but yes, we do. We just got. And you forgot, you forgot tight end. We got to go you. You didn't want to read your name, but without a doubt, you got to go rob on fantasy. I was just being humble.

I didn't want to get humbled by the football gods. So I humbled myself and let you say my name, Jules. I really wish you're on that list, Jules. What the heck? Can we put slot receiver? Nah, we're good. We're good. No, you're being humble?

You don't want to get humble by the football gods? Well, I'm going to put you on their slot receiver. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're right. We know that fantasy football takes place during the regular season. Don't put them on. If it was the postseason, it'd be different. I just granch-plucked my water bottle.

I'm getting so excited about fantasy touchdowns. What's our, what? What's our team name? Oh, uh, dudes. Dudes, rad, team auto-draftees. Yeah, I like that, actually. dudes rad dude dude dude's rad team auto draftees no

dudes rad auto drafty dudes rad earns auto drafties yeah because remember erred if we have ernie in there oh yeah you got to be smart automatically a genius yeah earns auto drafty he's got football he's got the football guys in his side ernie well he probably he probably never happy he was always yeah you know he stays in that like calculation mindset where he's happy but like he's happy but like He's happy counting numbers. That's different than that. He can be like,

oh, man, I got fucking 60 catches in nine games. I'm fucking the best. And he never talked, so he was always, he was always humble, always thinking about the next thing. So he could never have a big head. Never.

Big head full of knowledge. That's all. But not a big head full of, you know, being cocky. Just a good guy. Good guy. Great library, too.

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