Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Freaks: Mega Episode

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

It's all about Freaks this week! We've compiled every Freak featured on the show thus far into one special Mega Episode. From dudes that can play both ways to dudes that are reinventing the hurdle game, we're talking about some all-time Freaks. We wrap up by naming our Freak of the Year in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Got the Heisman. I mean, put Colorado on the map along with Dion. You name it. He's done it. Heisman trophy winner played both ways. Almost 100 receptions in college his junior year for over. over a thousand yards. Where do you think he's going?

I think he's going to the New England Patriots. I think they need help on both sides of the ball, so why not draft the two-way player? You know, they don't need a quarterback. No. They need a receiver, and if it doesn't work out at receiver, he can play defensive back. If it doesn't work out on defense, he can play a receiver.

It's a win-win situation. That's a good situation to be. Yeah, wow, this is incredible. Man, it'll be, that'd be, that would great. Will he play both ways? Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grankowski.

And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. Today, we got a freaks mega cut. Freaks mega cut? All the freaks in one episode. All the freaks in one episode. What are we going to talk about today? Our favorite Randy Moss stories. When some reporter came up to him and said,

Randy, what do you think about getting fine? He said, straight cash, homie. What makes Josh Allen so elite? It's just truly showing how much knowledge. he has of the game and he takes it to a new level every year and he took it to even another level this year. Travis Hunter playing both ways in the NFL? Well, I don't think anyone's played like this. He's averaging 114 plays per game. That's gnarly. And for the chillest dude of the week presented by Cors Light, we name our freak of the year. Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production

of I Heart Radio. Great being back in the Nuthouse, isn't it? Yeah, Julian. That's why I brought a Nut house present here. I was actually in San Diego. I was at, you know, some Indian gaming convention, which was a great time. Love the Indians. Love what they do, you know, to bring entertainment to us. And I was walking by a booth. And they were like, can I take a picture? And like, they had these vacuums in the booth. And I was like, give me a vacuum. And I'll take a picture with you. And they're like, deal. So they gave me that vacuum that I wanted. And then I was like, how am I going to bring this vacuum home? And I was like, oh, great idea. That's going to be my present. the nut house. I haven't been to the nut house in a while. So, Jules, I donated a vacuum to the

nut house today when I arrived. It's a self-driving vacuums. Yes. It just operates on its own. So I feel good about myself that I contributed to the nut house. Well, I put together a little list of things that ever since Rob started coming to the house, we have a lot of one beverages, whether it's protein shakes, free, some kind of sport drink, something. There's always a massive amount of boxes of sport drinks coming to the house because of Rob. Well, isn't that a positive? That's a positive.

All right. Few. I felt like you were talking about it like it was a negative. I mean, we need protein. We need to stay hydrated. He's brought a speaker. He brought a couple backpacks. The robot cleaner, we got that tequila a few times.

I'm not talking like one bottle of tequila. I'm talking, it's like massive, huge bottles of tequila that he gets at like these events that are for like big parties. He just comes here. And he's like, uh, here, guys, take this. So we have like 20 of those. A bunch of clothes and merchandise from a bunch of different brands that send to the Nut House for Rob.

Body wash and shampoo. Um, always has deodorant sent to the house. That was from the, um, L.A. Ball. L.A. Granc L.A. Ball. Gronk L.A. bull. And dog shit.

Yeah, it was the art of sports. The dog stuff here, too. So I want to officially give Rob the new name Roberto Claus. Thank you. I'm always bearing gifts when he comes. You couldn't give me that name because that name has already been established. And you know the guy that already established that name. Nate Rutashel, my childhood friend who lived with me in Foxborough, Massachusetts.

I don't know Nate Rutgersboro. know Nate Dogg. Yeah, Nate Dogg. He actually gave me that name before because of how many presents I I always brought home from the facility. Dinners, plates, silverware, blenders. And he's like, you Roberto Claus now. And I was like, yeah, that's right. Yeah, he said that before. So Nate Dog, shout out. Yeah. I'll take it though. I appreciate that. And by the way, if you go to Rob's house back in Foxborough, so all you'll see is the to go boxes from the Patriots facility. you'll see like lunch meat in these to go boxes you'll see fruit in these to go boxes rob would leave the facility with like four bags like he just left Costco

with just hot food to bring to his fucking house and it wasn't just for me it was for everyone that was staying at the house too and like i made it like feel like like it was a jester like that costing me money too i'm like yo i brought home meals for you like they're going to take it out on my paycheck, so you better appreciate me even more. There'd be like one or two nights a week where there'd be a specialty thing in there, where they'd throw in some cheddar, you have flays and shit. This is just so great to be back in the nut house together. It is.

I love it. I'm so glad it didn't burn down, Jules, because we would be in a bad situation. But I would have, you know, supported you and I would have showed up with a bag of goodies still. Yeah. He probably would have showed up with the house. Yeah. Rob would have just had some company. Some company would have sent Rob a fucking portable house for us to shoot in.

Yes, I would have. And just all it would have had a note is say, please tag us. Well, that's Roberto Claus for you. Roberto Claus. Please tag us. I get it. Oh, you're crazy. Thanks for bearing with us guys through the remote with these remote episodes.

We want to be in the studio and we'll get there. But the remote is working and it's still fun to. It is, man. And, you know, I get to hang out on the East Coast because I'm an East Coast guy, you know. So it's hard to be out on the West Coast all year long. But, you know, it's good for us because we still get to hang out. Yeah. And it's like-

It's hanging out in 2025. A marriage relationship, too. We'll never get sick of each other. And sometimes it's good to be long distance. And then when we see each other again, it's like an explosion. Yeah. Yeah. The nut house explodes.

A little ration time. Oh, man. Let's get in the chillest due to the week brought to you by our. our favorite beer Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes. And remember, celebrate responsibly.

Come on, Joel. Give me that Coorslight. Oh, Roberto. We recovered. Cold as the Rockies. Thank you, Coors Light, for refreshing me. And we're naming our freak

of the year. Jules, who is it? Travis Hunter. Oh, makes sense. Makes sense. Why wouldn't it? This guy has won the best award for offense player, defense player, best receiver, best corner.

He's got the Heisman. I mean, he put Colorado on the map along with Dion. You name it. He's done it. Heisman trophy winner played both ways. Almost 100 receptions in college, his junior year for over 1,000 yards. 15 touchdowns.

I only had a total of 15 touchdowns in my career in college. I think it was six my, freshman year and then 10 my sophomore year oh no i had modem 15 i had 16 baby that's right but he had 15 in one year three interceptions playing defense and played a total of over 1,400 snaps this guy's incredible he is the chillest dude you know of the week and he's the freak of the year freak of the week where do you think he's going a freak of the year i think he's going to the new and Patriots. I think they need help on both sides of the ball, so why not draft the two-way player?

You know, they don't need a quarterback. No. They need a receiver, and if it doesn't work out at receiver, he can play defensive back. If it doesn't work out on defense, he can play a receiver. It's a win-win situation. That's a good situation. Yeah, wow, this is incredible. Man, it'll be, that'd be, that'd create. Well, he'd play both ways.

I think so. I'll answer that. I think so, but just a package on and whatever one that he's not playing full-time. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's going to play full-time both ways. No. I just don't think a team's going to invest a lot of money into him to do that when you could get more out of them with, you know, playing on one side and then giving a package on the other. We've already gone over that a million times.

You ready? You ready? Browns, Patriots, or Giants. Go, name one of those teams that he goes to. You only get to pick one because he only can go to one. the Giants to the Browns, I don't think the Patriots are going to get him either. Well, then where is he going? Like, where is he going?

Like, who's next? Kansas City Chiefs? No. He's dropping the top 10 to the 31st pick. I hope he doesn't go to the Jags. But no, I don't, I don't hope he goes to the Jaggs either. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. No, they can't go to the Jags.

I can see him go to the Jags. No. It won't be fun, though, if he goes to Jacksonville. Like, it's kind of like, you. You know, a career killer. Someone trade up for him? Like, it needs to be fun. Like, it needs to be a fun market for Travis Hunter.

I don't think people are going to trade up for a non-quarterback. Like he needs to go to like a New York market, Patriot market, like something like that. Even Cleveland's better than Jacksonville. Is he the most talented player in the draft? Of course, because he plays both ways. So that's talent. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's going to be exciting. It will be. But he has to go to a market where it's exciting as well. Like I said, the Jaguars isn't really an exciting market. Even when the Jaguars are good, it's still not that exciting. Like, it's just not a market that's exciting, I guess. Jaguars haven't been excited since Mark Brunel retired. You want to know what was excited, though?

You want to know what was exciting, though, is when I went to the players championship in Jacksonville a couple weeks ago. That was exciting, man. I took a hack with my six iron on the 17th hole, which they call it the Green Island. Great shot. 5,000 fans around me. They were cheering and then the ball landed right in front of the island, but still a great shot.

You know, I was proud of myself. So that's the coolest thing about Jacksonville is the Players Championship at the TPC course. Right, TPC? TPC. And Travis Hunter probably could put it on that island. And that's the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light.

Get Coorslight delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes. celebrate responsibly folks. Yes. Shout out Travis Hunter for being the chillers dude of the week and also the freak of the year. Brought to you by Cores Light. Let's get into these freaks. Freaks. And we're going to start with a former player, a guy that everyone knows, a Hall of Fameer out there.

Guy that we played with. A guy that we play with on New England. On New England. About two years for you. Two years for me. A quarter season for myself. My rookie year. One and a quarter for me.

But everyone knows who he is. Randy freaking Moss. Please pull the pitcher out. Randy Moss was an absolute dominant force on the football field. I didn't want to put him in the category right away. You can't. I don't want to describe the category. We're not starting to clock yet, are we?

But the guy had personality. Everyone loves him to this day. He's a great TV. He's awesome on TV. TV analysts now. Awesome on TV. He's mossing people still to this day. You got moths. What is segment? You got moths. And, uh... You know who this is, Rob? You know, you know the shots from? No, what's the shot from? This shot is from when he was leaving the player's parking lot, I believe.

I think on a Tuesday after he got fined for mooning Green Bay. Remember he got fined for mooning Green Bay? And this is like right immediately after when some reporter came up to him and said, Randy, what do you think about getting fine? And he said, straight cash, homie. That's what Randy is. and that quote is still used to this day. Straight cash, homie. Straight cash, homie. Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say straight cash, homie. Always.

Every single time. That's going to live on forever. How many years ago is that? That was a long time ago. 20? No, it wasn't 20. How was in high school, man, when that happened? He was on the Minnesota Vikings, right?

Yeah, he was on the Vikings at that time. So that was like, what? 05, 05? Maybe 0.4? I think we need to start this. 20 years ago. Do we start the clock now? Rob's got a little research that he's done.

Now, Rob, how did you get this research? I just typed in the player's name on co-pilot and what type of, you know, football player they are or a person they are, and it just popped up. And, you know, you got to work smarter, not harder, Jules. You got to work smarter. That's what's all about? It is.

So let's, what did a co-pilot say? And this will also help out my reading skills. See, dudes on dudes, I mean, we're not the smartest dudes, Julian. No. But we're also not the biggest idiots. Yeah, no. We have common sense. Yeah. And we're here, you know, doing this show as well to help us out in life as well.

I would say we're idiots. I would say we're idiots. We're not dumb. Yes, yes. We are idiots in a good way, though. Yeah. Yeah. We're not like IQ going to like knock you off the charts. But, you know, like we're also not going to spend, you know, like all your money. If you have like $2, you're going to spend 50. That's like common sense. Yeah, exactly. There you go. You hit it right on the nose. And our reading skills, I won't say are, you know. No, our reading skills are terrible. Everyone knows. So this is going to help my reading skills. It's going to help my creativity doing this show as well. And that's why I wanted to do it.

I feel like it's going to help us out on Fox, you know, just being able to talk. So we're building muscles. And we're also going to invest in the video because we're going to use their AI. Let's go. So here we go. Or no. We got Randy Moss, right? Yeah, Randy Moss.

All right. What is Randy Moss? Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver known for his exceptional speed, leaping ability and playmaking skills. his deep threat capability made him a constant challenge for defenders as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches. Moss was renowned. Renowned, right? Yeah, renowned for his ability to make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him a reputation as one of the most talented and dangerous receivers in the NFL.

Over his career, he was selected to multiple Pro Bowls. was a key figure in the 2007 New England Patriots record setting offense. He was. He was. Start the clock. Start the clock. We got 10 minutes, which each player that we will be talking about. First of it, that's pretty damn good by co-pilot.

Yeah, co-pilot hit right on the money. And Rob, I think he knocked it out the park. I was a co-pilot reading that. No, I think you were the actual pilot. Yeah, I was. I was the actual pilot reading it. No co-pilot. You were there, but.

but you weren't there. I was a pilot. I was co-pilot by just sitting there. You were the passenger. I was a passenger. Yes, you were. I was a passenger. But who,

no who was the ride. It was freaking good. It was freaky. Yeah. Which was also Randy's nickname. It was Randy's nickname. It was the freak. Randy went to,

what do you go? He went to Marshall. There's so many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State. Then he went to Notre Dame. Did you ever hear those? I never heard any of those stories. But he ended up at Marshall University. Where is Marshall anyways?

West Virginia. It's in West Virginia. Yeah. And you know he's from Rand West Virginia? Like Randy Moss is from Rand West Virginia. He used to say that all the time in practice. Hey, Rand you. Rand you, remember you would always say that?

Like him and like who else was from there? White chocolate was from there. Oh, who's white chocolate? I eat white chocolate. Who's white chocolate? Jason Williams. Oh, yeah. They were teammates, right?

They were teammates in high school. Dude, he always loves to fish too. That was the one thing. you always knew about moss. In the off-season, you were never... He was like a farm boy. Yeah. Yeah.

He loved outdoors. You love fishing? I don't... You know, I was traumatized at a young age. My brother made me hold, like, two catfish when I was, like, six years old, and he told me they could sting you, and they had big old tentacles. And it fucking traumatized me, so... Not a big fisher. I was, like, the kid wakeboarding.

My brother was, like, the fisher. You fish? No, I always got seasick every time we took that boat out. Yeah. You know, and they're like a mile off of shore. I was always throwing up and like really dizzy. So I never became a big fisherman. I mean, I had a pond behind my house growing up.

So I'd get like those sunny fish. Like that was cool. But never really a big fisherman. I eat fish though. What's your favorite fish? Black and salmon. Black and salmon? Yeah, with some good spices on it.

I like a halibut. Nice light fish. Yeah. All right. Back to Randy. Back to Randy. He was what? Hall of Fame.

What year was that? He went to the Hall of Fame. Football Hall of Fame, that is. what was it? Like 2018. 2018 it was? We won in a Super Bowl. He was a 21st overall pick,

and he had a lot of the, there was a lot of like turbulence in his early career, you know, in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy, you know, misunderstood. You know, he kind of,

what would you say when he was in the locker room? Like he was always a very caring dude, but he always had his guard up. He always had his guard up. but like on the low he would always give you love like for me when I was a I was a rookie receiver I used to have to go out and buy all the receivers like lunch whenever we would have a way trips remember before the travel the rookie goes and grabs you know something from bar louis or you go somewhere you know Jimmy Johns or something and you get the order and Randy would always make me do it but I was a seventh rounder so I didn't I wasn't paid by any means and guys would be giving you crazy orders Randy would always throw me like three 400 bucks he'd pay for it and make me do it make me do it go get it. So like he was always, he was just always quite, like, he would kind of get on me in front of people, but then when there was no one around, he'd always love me up and like, you know, like he, I think he was just putting that on there to make me, you know, make me accountable. Yeah, for the,

you know, quarter career, you know, quarter year I play with Randy. I thought he was a great teammate, man. And like you said, I feel like he was misunderstood in the public eye a little bit. He didn't really care about, you know, the glam and all that. He, like, he just, he just rubbed it off his shoulders like, like it was nothing. Like it was water, man. But he cared about being a good guy and he never thought he was too big for anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best wide receiver

in the game at the time, maybe of all time. And he cared about, you know, being relatable to the young bucks. He did. He made me feel very warm and welcome. What did he do? To the New England Patriots when I was there. What do he did to make you feel warm and welcome? So Moss always

loved, you know, kicking it back, having a conversation with myself when I was a rookie. I was struggling. I was in the playbook like crazy, struggling a little bit, but he just loved how I played the game. And he always imitated me because I was big, I was goofy, you know, and he liked that kind of stuff, you know, and every time I had a catch or, you know, had a touchdown, I'd be like myself, you know, I'd be giggling like this. He'd be like, dude, bro, you're always giggling. You're always having a good time, gronk. Like, it's coolest shit, man, cool as shit how you are, man. And I'd be like, it made me feel warm and welcome to be my

myself on the Patriots. And I'd be like, I always did that on the field after a catch. I get up. Like, I don't know. That was just me. I was getting hyped. And Moss was like, man, I like how you do this. Man, I like like that cool shit how you do that.

Like, I'm going to do that after I score a touchdown. I was like, for real? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that. So what happened? Game, I think game number two. Buffalo. Vers Buffalo. He scored like, you know, 40-yard or post right down the middle.

Like, you know, like Randy Moss does because fastest wide receiver I probably ever seen. play the game, freakish, you know, stride. It looked like he was going slow. He looked like, but he was just always passing people. And he was just gliding. It was like a jet ski on water, like on like flat service, just gliding across the water. Yes. And it didn't look like he was going 70.

No. But he was going 70, maybe 80. On water, which is fast. Yes. So we get to the game. He scores that touchdown and he starts doing this. Like he's like, yeah. He's being gronk in the end zone.

And I'm 21 years old. and this is Randy freaking Moss imitating me after one of his touchdowns. I thought it was the coolest thing. I actually never even shared that story with anyone.

I'm not even, I'm talking like I never shared that story with a friend, a family member. It's just kind of known within the team, you know, within the team and the organization.

So that's one of the coolest stories of all time, you know, about Randy Moss that I have personally. And he just made me feel welcome to the team. And he just made me feel like myself because he just loved how I was and how I played the game.

And it was a special moment, that's for sure. He fucked with dudes that worked hard. He did. I remember on Tuesdays he would come in and do these workouts where he would do like side step-ups, these like step-ups, quick feet. And so I would jump in with them every once in a while. And he'd do all these medicine ball things

where like he'd have like one leg on a medicine ball and do like a push-up and, you know, it was working your core. And so I would always see him do shit. and then I would go do it. You know, I want to do anything, anything Randy did. But, like, if he saw you working, he never really busted your balls. That's the kind of guy, you know, but if you weren't, if you were, you know, if you were talking

and you were a guy that wasn't heard or something, like any other patriot, any of the Patriot, like, guys, you know, you're going to hear shit. You want to know, you want to also know why I would say Randy was misunderstood a little bit because he was real. Yeah. And when people are real, people don't like that, man. Because real things can sound like assholy. Yeah, exactly.

It sounds assholy. Like, if he didn't want your freaking food, he's not going to eat your food. Like, he just didn't want it, you know? If he didn't like you, he didn't like you. Like, it's just real shit. And then that's what makes people misunderstood. I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had. What was the screenshot of his?

Well, he had three catches, like 146 yards, was it? 163 yards on three catches. Oh, and three touchdowns. All his catches were. over 50 yards. It was when he was with the Minnesota Vikings. Thanksgiving Day. He ate the turkey after the game as well.

Yeah. It was just Moss being Moss. Well, Randy was so special that we actually had a play named after him. Moss. Yeah. Moss. Haas Moss Moss. It was the Moss signal. That was the signal because it was all goes.

It was a go on the left. It was a seam on the left. It was a seam on the right. And every time Brady did that, I got excited because I was always a slack guy going down the field. So Moss, every time I saw that play, I thought of Moss and just felt like I had to turn the burners on as well. Rob, you had how many, what was your biggest touchdown season? I had 17 touchdowns in 2012, but 18 because one of them counted as a rush. 18 touchdowns?

He had 23 touchdowns. How fucking nuts is that? Freaking nuts. I don't think anyone's ever going to touch that. I don't know with the 18. I don't think anyone's going to touch it still. No way. Because guys aren't playing as many games.

Like they don't play the whole season. Yeah. I mean, that was a freaky year. I think just because Moss was just so dominant, 23 touchdowns. Because when you have 23 touchdowns, Moss was only one who can get away from double coverage and then run away from it because he was so fast and freaky.

Ain't no one ever going to touch that 23 touchdown record. I mean, I was pretty close that one year when I had 17. And then actually, he was at practice, one of my best training camps of all time when we were in West Virginia. Moss came, whatever, at that dump place. At Greenboro. It's great for football. Coaches loved it because all you did was focus on football. We couldn't go to the casino, though. It was fucking bullshit.

Good thing. We would have lost all our money or won a lot more money and then had it could have retired in training camp. But Moss was there when we were facing the Saints in practice and I was dominant, man. This was a year. I was on fire, unstoppable. It was actually the year we won the Super Bowl versus Atlanta when I was on. unstoppable. It was just unfortunate that I got lit up up the middle of that year. But I had like four touchdowns in a row versus Saints in seven on seven and Moss was right there. And I was like, Moss, I'm coming for you. Man, that touchdown record is mine. Go, Gronk. You got it, boy. You're the only one, Gronk. You're the only one that can beat my touchdown record. Gronk. You got this boy. I want to

see you do. I go, Moss, I am going to do it, buddy. I'm on coming for it. 23, no problem. I mean, it was kind of realization at that time. I was dreaming big, but it was just so cool to have Moss right there. Hell yeah. Talking shit to Randy Moss, I'm going to beat his touchdown record in middle of practice. It was one of the coolest moments I've ever had in practice. Moss, you're the man. And the freakiest catch I've ever seen Moss make that I will still remember for,

I will remember for the rest of my life. The Revis? It was the, what, second game? It was the second game of the season. Of the season. That was my first start. It was. So when he did the imitation of me,

it was actually the first game of the season. I think we played, no, this was, was that, that was, I don't think you were there yet. No,

I was there. So we played the, we played Cincinnati, my very first game. Yeah. Then we went to the Jets. We lost. Most freakiest catch I've ever seen.

We lost the game. Yeah, we lost the game. Brady just tossed it up there. He let the play develop. No one was open. So he tossed it up, one-on-one coverage.

Moss versus, Dorel Rivas, the best cornerback in the game. Moss put his hand up in the air and just snagged it, one hand or right in the end zone, about three yards in. It was freaky because he extended all the way. It wasn't like it was close to his body. No.

Made that extension. But it was effortless, too. Effortless. It looked like he barely did it, though. When he was going, he was just like, ooh. And then, oh, and then we played the Buffalo Bills, the third game.

And that's when he did the imitation. That imitation, or the, the fan? He was imitating me. Oh, no, of myself. The Grand Giggles. And then we played the Miami Dolphins, the fourth game of the season. And then after that game, he wasn't there. He wasn't there anymore.

It was sad. It was. You want to know something, Jules? Oh, I remember it, man. I remember it. We were partying, man, when he got traded. Were we? It was Monday night.

And you know us. We were young bucks, man. We went to Foxwoods, the casino. And we woke up. Was it a Monday night game? No. No. No.

It was a Monday night. It was a Monday night game? It was a Monday night game. So did we have a buy week at? I think we had a buy week or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night because it was industry night at Foxwoods. And you know us, we're in the industry

of partying at that time. We were maniacs. We were maniacs. This is dudes and dudes, bad. We're just having a conversation, you know. We're just telling our stories, just living up, you know, what we did in the past.

And I remember, remember we were together man and you were you were pretty hungover i remember and then i was hungover too and we turned on the tv we didn't know anything what was going on and we turned on the tv espn and randy moss there it was breaking news traded to the minnesota vikings and literally we were like heartbroken we were hungover and heartbroken it was probably the worst situation you could be in yeah yeah but we always climb out of those holes. That was, but, uh, I remember, talk about, talk about the Sunday scleries. Yeah, that was, that was the Tuesday morning scleries right there.

Yeah, you wake up, you don't, oh, fuck, we got practice. That was, that was, one of the examples of, of my early times in my career that I was starting to learn that the NFL was a business. Oh, yeah. Because as a rookie, you don't know that it's a business, you know, you're going to make the team, you think you're playing forever. can't trade rainy man no one's trading rainy you can't trade randy maus she's the greatest of all time and it was really cool though because he did that press conference i think the week before like he wants

a new deal he had his headphones around his neck he kind of he kind of went off like the patrons ain't giving me my new contract and i thought that was really cool because that's the randy moss i knew like going off just just being a real dude yeah he knows and i love that shit i love when players act up man and I thought it was the coolest thing so it was sad to see him go but it was also sad because that was part of the reason I feel like he went you know bill is takes no shit he does he doesn't but that's when you're reckon you realize that this is definitely a business all right so some final thoughts Randy moss what kind of dude is Randy Moss then yeah what kind of dude is he I would say so we have a stud at like athleticism football IQ the pedigree we have the freak unparalleled

physical ability, one of one, pretty much a mutant. That sounds pretty close. We have a dog who's relentless, motivated, physical and mental toughness. We got the whiz dude who's intellect, innovative, very clutch. And we got a dude's dude. Positive attitude, locker room guy, calm, cool, collect, glue guy. He's like a glue guy, dude's dude. And let me tell you, every dude that we're going to be talking about,

hit all of them. They hit them all. Their attributes are all five of them, but we're trying to find the one that exemplifies them the most. And with Randy Moss, it's easy. I feel like this is a no-brainer. No-brainer.

No-brainer. It's already in his nickname. The freak. The freak. I mean, he was, I remember, he's just so fast. He was so he could jump. He could catch the ball. The intricacies of the game were like that were,

you would try to. coached the guys like late hands and stacking the receiver like those are the things that like we would try to coach he just did it naturally that's like how he like he just knew how to judge a ball and high point balls like he we literally have segments named after him going up and and just mossing dude and the way he like the ability he had to just leap when he was running full speed that's crazy is what made him so great because he can have a defender on him because defenders were just as fast as them. Some of them were. Some of the D.Bs were. Don't let Randy here.

Hey, man, get on a 200 slate. All right. Slate, you know, remember he used to challenge Slate all the time? He did. But every once in a while, there was a guy that, you know, it was kind of covering him. But what did he do? He just leaped right over him like a frog and made the catch. And that's what made him so freaky. It's so crazy to think, like, when you're running full speed and you got to track a ball,

your eyes are bouncing. like that's like some of the first things you see like when from your like offseason training and you jump into like you know start competing against guys the first thing that you always have to dial in is the bouncy eyes my eyes would bounce and I'm going like a guy to go full speed and be able to concentrate and then like effortlessly like a ballerina jump off one leg go back mossa dude over two like that's that's a freak he's a freak I remember of Jules, like you used to always brag to me. Moss would do it, so I'm doing it. So like, right after the games, like when you landed from a way game, he would go right to the

weight room to get his workout in. Yeah. And you bet Moss was doing it. I'm going to do it, you know? Like you copied everything he did. Hey, man. But I don't blame you, man. He's the greatest of all time. I would copy him, Tom, anyone who was around. I'm copying Wes. I'm copy. It's a copycat League. All right. You loved your dudes. You loved hanging on your dudes. You loved hanging on your dudes. That was one dude you wanted the dude on. You become a creature of the dudes you hang around. That's the truth. You know, you become

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All right. Freak of Nature. No doubt about it. He's a freak, dude. No question. Let's get on Vince Will Fork. Big Dog. Vince Wellfor. Big V.

Oh, my God. I wonder why was something. Thanksgiving to block. Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday, I bet. Start the clock. What's a I got to say? Vince Wellfork standing at six foot two and weighing around 325 pounds played as a dominant nose tackle in the NFL.

325? Primarily, I think he was like 315. at one point, 360. Primarily played for the New England Patriots and later for the Houston Texans. Growing up in Boytown Beach, Florida. I think so, Boyton. Boyton Beach, Florida.

Well Fork was a track and field standout before switching to football at the University of Miami. Selected 21st overall in the 2004 draft. He was known for his strength, size, and ability to stuff the run. Often drawing double teams and anchoring defenses with his power and scale. Over his career, Wolf Fork recorded 560 tackles, 16 sacks and three interceptions, earning two Super Bowl championships, five Pro Bowl selections and a reputation as one of the best defensive tackles of his era.

Known for his charisma and a love for a barbecue, he has remained a beloved figure off the field where his big personality and big hits made him a fan favorite. That's a lot by AI. The long synopsis. That's the longest one we had so far, but Vince deserves it. Heck yeah. 100% deserves it. He's the biggest guy so far we've been talking about. He's about 365 pounds.

I think they got it wrong there. This guy can eat you up, man. He's lost a lot of weight now. He sure has. He looks really good, man. He does. Really good. It looks good on him.

It's just sad that, you know, he's not coming back, though. I know. Because every good player, you always have that imagination that they're going to come back. He never, he always thought V could. I think V can still play. You just have that thought about him. What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about Big V? The barbecues, you know.

He came out with his own barbecue sauce. I'm pretty sure Mr. Kraft used to have that team get together, team bonding at his house in the Cape. After you made the team, it was right at the end of August. What holiday is at right at the end of August? Labor Day? Yeah, Labor Day. Yep. And it was Labor Day week and we would all go up there and there'd be ribs or be, you know, steaks.

And here comes Big V coming through and he bring his own barbecue sauce every single year. And I wouldn't eat those ribs or a soreloin or, you know, the burger meat until that barbecue sauce got there. And once Big V showed up, hey, Big V passed that sauce over, buddy. Oh, my. Yeah, he loved it too, man. He loved being known about that sauce. And he just loved just the atmosphere around a cookout. I was fortunate enough to get invited to one of his cookouts.

He smoked some ribs. He was in some big ass overalls with no shirt smoking ribs. He just looks at it. home when he's on a barbecue. He looks like that's he's at home. The first I remember when I was a rookie, he's comfortable. That that's just comfort zone for him. It is. I remember my rookie year. My welcome to the NFL moment was like I was rolling in like my, uh, my Toyota rental and I park in the way back of the players lot. And all of a sudden there's this fucking huge semi. A fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in the front and takes like two damn spots, backs in.

Bebebebe. Backs in. This big-ass-orange semi-truck. It's fucking Vince's daily driver. Vince had like a huge semi-truck daily driver.

He gets out of that thing and it looks just like him in front of the barbecue. Just a comfort zone for him. Just a big-ass dude getting out of a big-ass truck. Big V was just fucking so cool. That was like my first welcome

to NFL. I was like, holy shit. I didn't even know you can buy semi-trucks. Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my welcome to the NFL. dosage of a hit. When training camp rookie year, you know the WAM block. What's the WAM block?

Explain where they let go, the guy let's the just defense to tackle free. So then he thinks he's going to go get a sack. And then the WAM black is when I come across the line of scrimmage at the tight end position when I'm off the ball. And I'm the one that goes and I wham the defense of tackle and try to block them. It's like a trap for the tight end. There you go. Exactly. And we're trapping the defense of tackle.

So he knows it's coming. I mean, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running. Nine on seven. They know the fucking script. Well, well before me. Yeah, it is. It was a nine on seven. So, yeah, the defense does know the script.

So they can look really good in the run game throughout that whole period. And I think they also told them this play was coming, being specifically knowing I'm on a black vans. And they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the play is called. I'm in full paths. You know, I'm like a WAM block. I got to show my tough. toughness. I got to show my keeps. I got to get the respect of my fellow teammates,

especially the veterans. Wait, wait, whoa, let me pay the picture also. Rob's a rookie here. V was like the big dog on campus. In practice, no one really gets close to him because you don't want to piss him off when you're new. It's like, holy shit, is that a, that is a large human being. He's like so big. I think there's like something that orbits him, like on how round he is. Like that's, you didn't want to get in his way. You didn't want to piss him off because he was very intimidating. Get back to your story. So the play, you know, gets on its way. I do my little two, you know, two side steps, you know, on the motion. I'm running full speed right at Vince Wilford. This guy peeks over to his left. He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face,

knowing I was coming. He put his shoulder down. I'm going full speed at him. And he gets that leverage and just tease off on me. I went flying backwards, five, to six yards. I didn't even land on my back. He sent me flying in the air where I landed on my feet still. Oh my God. Yeah, and that hit hurt like a mother effort. But what's cool is I gained the respect of my teammates.

And my coach at that time, tight end coach in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the play. Brian Farrants. Brian Farrants. He's now at Iowa with his dad doing, you know, doing his thing, doing a good job. He goes, yo, what were you thinking trying to block Vince Wolfwood? He goes, you're never going to do that again.

I go, thank you. Thank you. I go, I'll never do it again. And ever since that day, you know, we had about five more of those calls. And I just go up to him, I hug him. I didn't need to try to block him. It was just only going to get me hurt from there on. Yeah, I just give him a hug like Vince.

No, no, no, it's the way I'm black man. I know you're going to beat me. Like, there's no reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown backwards again. Oh, my God. I'm going to break a rib. He's so strong. And I know you love your ribs. then you're going to, you know.

He'll probably eat them. Yeah. Enjoy them after with your barbecue sauce, buddy. Oh, my. That had to be so terrifying. It was. Well, at that time, it wasn't. Because he's an intimidating guy when you joined the team, too.

It was terrifying after that because I was trying to, you know, gainer my keeps, man. Like, I was trying to prove myself. So I didn't care who was in my way. And then I learned I do care who's in my way. Yeah, when it comes down to the NFL, you got to, that's when you learn on when to, you know, take your shots at someone. one not to one to block someone hard one to kind of like just brother-in-law box someone out as well instead of trying to hit him full speed and you hit them full speed heads up they you know

they're way bigger than you this is when you start learning the ins and outs and that's one ins and now I learned big time freaking V and he was so quick too like that's what people don't realize like they just surprisingly quick because of how big he was yeah and his feet he had fast feet man he was kind of like a running back that pitter patters like boom whoa whoa big burp right there, Jules. Wow. It's the barbecue I ate from five years ago with Big Vance. It's still coming out. We ate that much.

I tasted that barbecue sauce right there. That was good. But his feet were surprisingly click. He was like a bum, boom, boom. He was a rabbit out there. I remember always going in the weight room and you go over by like the kettlebells and like the arm bars and stuff.

And there'd always be a shock put there. Remember him? You ever see him shock put? I never have. Oh my God. He can fucking shock. He was a fucking track star. I think he had like the state record.

He had insane strength too. I remember like he wouldn't go in the, weight room to just like warm up, you know, do 315, like five. He would just go in the weight room just to, you know, maintain his strength. And he would just walk in. And I remember him just throwing up like 425 pounds in the bench and just tossing it up, then racking it and be like, I'm done for today. Yeah.

Like he didn't even need to work on his strength that much because he was just that strong naturally. And like it was to a whole other level. Yeah, I remember seeing him in the weight room to him. he the like Marcus canton when he would work out the weights would bend he was just so strong and he had always great movement like he was very he was very skillful like fluid fluid like when you watch big v throw football he looks like he spins a ball really well you see him hit a golf ball he fucking has an unbelievable golf swing i mean the guy is so athletic he used

to return punts in high school like i remember you know bill always every training camp when it's getting to like day nine, 10, guys who are worn down, beat up, mentally, physically, emotionally exhausted. He always have a big lineman come in and try to catch a pun. And if you caught punch, you'd have the night off. He threw V up there and it looked too fucking easy. I think he won and snagged that thing. He was, he was so athletic.

He could have played fullback. I swear he could play running back and it gets, gain some yards before going down. Tight end, he could definitely play. I heard him talking about this too as well. He could play defensive end, obviously, anywhere on the defensive line. And he, like you said, quarterback as well. He had an arm. He loved being, you know, before practice was going on, you know, before we really got into it,

he'd be chucking the ball, you know, to his fellow defensive players. Yeah. Having a good old time. He was just so disruptive as well. And he was kind of like the two gap God when he was, you know, on that defensive line. And to be able to take two gaps, you know how much to freeze that linebacker? That's a linebacker's best friend right there. Vince Woll for it.

100%. I mean, Gerard Mayo, Dante Hightower, Jamie Kahn, they all love them. They all do. Guys like,

they love guys that take double teams that lets you get to that fucking boom. Got him. Big V just said, Big V has so many stats. He had so much production for the amount of stats he had

because he had such hidden things that made plays go. It was unblockable. And you take two double teams. They can never get the guy to the second level. like he just was fucking a monster. And we wanted to talk about him on this show specifically because.

Because what is he known for on Thanksgiving, Jules? He's the one that created the butt fumble. The freaking. The but the forceer, the generator of the butt fumble. Versed the New York Jets. Mark Sanchez. Oh my God. And he did that before.

Like it's where he gets so much penetration. He drives his guy back so far that it hit the quarterback with the guy that he was driving back's butt that made him fumble the football and Steve Gregory scoop score in his home area of New Jersey, which was just a fucking crazy game. That comes to my mind when I think of Vince of some of his crazy story. But also, remember when we were in Buffalo and he read out, the receiver's screen. Hold on.

What was he rewarded with, though, after the turkey on the post game? He had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg. He was rewarded with a turkey leg during the post game for his contribution to the butt fumble. And he ate that thing.

He ate it all. Not surprised. So what was it that you're talking about in Buffalo? Remember in Buffalo where they had that receiver screen and V read it? And he was full speed. And a receiver was full speed, not seeing him. And it looked like, it looked like if a semi- I hit like one of those little smart cars.

Oh my gosh. This is the receiver. Like he was up. He was up and then pjump. Like your finger just got bent backwards in a matter of a split second. Boom. That looked like the receiver right there. Boom.

It's not even that. It's not even the mass. Imagine if he like fell on you going that fast. He squished you like a bug. Like a fucking bug. I bet you got his way out of the air and it just explodes everywhere. That's kind of what happened to the bills wide receiver. And you always.

He flasked. They're flattened them. No, it was, that's a terrifying hit. That's like, that was a terrifying hit. There's a lot of big hits that you see. You're like, all right, you can, you can withstand that. But when it's straight physics, when you got mass times velocity, you get force. You get fucking force. And that's what big V was. I don't know if that's right for you, physics people get us in there. But then also, what about, what about his interceptions? We're talking big plays here. I mean, he had that, that pick versus Philip Rivers at home in Gillette Stadium when he was was that another screen or he was just I think he was

it. No, it got tipped or something. Yeah. Did he tip it? Did he tip it? Yeah, he tipped it to himself. He showed great ball skills right there. And then you saw your fast feet. Yes. And then he started just you know, trucking down the field like a rabbit with his fast feet. He looked nimble and he looked agile and just rumbling down the field. I don't think anyone in the world that watched that play, anyone in the world didn't want that big man to score when a big man has that look

because the ball looked like a fucking like a paper towel in his armpit a loaf of breath I mean it looks Pumpernickel Pumpernickle It looks so small And he's like running it

And like everyone is just sitting there like Look at the big big go Reminds you remember Conley also did that And they kickoff for turn Oh yeah Against Packers That was cool

I love when big men get to run the ball. Or score a touchdown. Score a tug in the red zone. Eight Soldier. Everyone loves it, man. Yeah. A soldier had that one. The Lions are doing it a lot.

Lions are doing it. And we're speaking of Thanksgiving, you know, teams, lions in there. You know, don't not expect a trick play to a lineman this Thanksgiving from the Detroit Lions. Oh, I mean, or a fake punt. You're going to, there's going to be something like that. We talked about on this show a few weeks back, tight-in university day or happy tight end day. What is called? National tight end day. National tight end day. There's got to be a national big guy touchdown day or a big guy catch day. It just needs to be national big. And like,

it's a rule in the NFL book that you have to at least run one tackled eligible play. One tackle eligible. The guy has to be over 275 pounds, 285 pounds has to touch a football on one specific day, National Big Fat Guy Day. I like that. That's what I think we... I like that. Who's going to start it? I think we need Big V.

Yeah. Big V. Come on. Let's go. You remember in the butt fumble game? I remember watching the next day in meetings. Bill rewinded it like four or five times. Barely said anything.

And then like got up and talked and he said, the Jets got exactly what they deserve. Like did something like one of those? You know what I mean? Do you remember that? I actually was hurt that year, Jules. So I was at home just watching it from my couch, just enjoying my Thanksgiving. And I just remember that play happening.

I was shocked. Because we were already dominating them. Dominating. Dominating them. It wasn't even a close game at all. And just when that happened, I was giggling to myself. Like, what a play. I never seen anything like that.

And I was screaming too because Gregory just scooped it. Like it just didn't happen. A butt fumble. And directly into his hands. No, directly on the ground and directly in the Gregory's hand. Yeah. But it went to the end zone of the Patriots as well. We got six points out of it.

It's like, that doesn't happen usually. Usually like a play like that, you know, usually someone just gets on it. It's a fumble recovery. It went to the house. We scored on it.

Now, how do you think Sanchez or San Chito feels about that? I mean, Sanchez is a good dude. He's a goofy dude. So I think he kind of likes it. I think he does like it. Yeah.

Yeah, he does own it for sure. I heard him referencing. He'll giggle about it. it for sure it's kind of like the Miami miracle I own that play yeah you got like the butt fumble with Sanchez I mean it's okay I mean it happens it's kind of like the 2004 or 2002 uh frosh off championship between the Bay division ocean division you know I gave this interception away and they won it on it it's kind of like you own it now fucking m a I'll never

own it it's bullshit it's okay jewels one day you'll own it you'll get over it it's okay man We're here for it. Just be thankful for other things and then you'll get over that. You know what I'm also thankful for? What are you thankful for? That we were a part of probably two of the craziest play calls in the history of football. One, the butt fumble. Yes.

What's more embarrassing, the butt fumble? Or do you remember when the Colts had that stupid punt formation that they tried on? That was what? What was the down in distance? What was the fourth and two? And they were trying to get us on a trick punt play. I think it was like more than four. It was weird formation.

they had like everyone spread out wide and then the center. What's the down in distance? And then there was a running back behind the center or something. And then they hiked it. And everyone was in like in shock. Like what the heck is possibly going on? And that's the only reason I bring this up is because the same shock factor that we had that like did that. But just make that fumble.

And then we scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same shock factor we had when they did this punt formation thing. Did he really hike the ball? I'm not a math guy, but three on one. I'm looking at the Colts sideline right here after the play. Are you fucking serious? What is this? Like, this is National Football League.

And they're only down by six in the third quarter. I don't know. That's the Colts for you. That was worse so than the bufffumble. Yeah, because the butt fumble was made through force in gravity. Exactly. The butt fumble was made by Vince. in that fucking 300 in 25 pound frame,

25 pound frame, taking his matchup and driving them into the fucking, I'm flabbergasted. I didn't realize we were going to get into that play. I think they rose the banner that year. That's why I never lost it. Was that the banner year or they rose the banner? Still never lost to the Colt.

Did we ever lose to the Colts? I did in 2009. That was 2009. In a fourth and two. It wasn't there. Yes. It doesn't count. How about the big boy on body issues? I mean, he's, he's not like, it looks like muscle.

It is muscle. That's why I love the ESPN, the body issue, because they, they featured everyone. Yeah, it's cool to see. And they were just showing how. Are you on it? The statue, yes, how the statue of the body. Oh, yeah.

Representing all different types of athletes. You know, from a guy that played tackle to a wide receiver, to myself, right there. Young, grunk. You want to know the running joke? about me on being on the body issue cover what was that the circle was really small that they needed to use what circle to cover me up yeah you know what didn't they tell you was going to be a small set like there's not going to be a lot of people there there really wasn't there's probably like five five to six how many people were on your set i feel like there's 30 in mind really 30 they all wanted

to see you jules your good looking guy no i got a wonderful body now how did the how did the uh the football stay on. It's a good question. I was kind of adjusting in it before every shot and then I kind of adjusted it. So I kind of found that niche. Did you have to take a Viagra to keep that thing staked up so you could just post it on there? No, no, it was actually one of the worst performance looking days of my life. It was kind of chilling there. I felt like a frozen raisin. Yeah. And I was just giggling at myself every time I look back at the pictures. I know because it was bad. Yeah, it was bad.

It was bad. I was embarrassed just looking at it myself. It was crazy because like you would see like a picture after, you know, you'd go with the photographer and your wiener would be out. And you'd see the picture. And then all of a sudden they'd be like, oh, don't worry. We could just cut that thing. Yeah.

But you're sitting there worrying because you're like, you're going to go tell everyone, you know. And then that person that's reviewing the photo too is. I requested 93 degrees in the shoot set. It was 60. 10 minutes. What kind of dude is Vince Will Fork? Stud, a freak, a dog, a dude, or a whiz.

I mean, he's a wist. He has a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the game of football. I mean, he was a smart player. That's why he knew that big play that he made when we were talking about it versus the Buffalo Bills. and he absolutely dominated the receiver on that screen across the middle because he saw that play coming. He sniffed it out.

Like he was a wizard out there. That's how he made majority of his play. Same with his interceptions. He knew the screen was coming. He backed off. He knew that when he got dropped, he wasn't going to just go to the quarterback and get a free sack. He knew, ooh, there must be a different type of play coming.

Oh, it's going to be a screen or it's a gimmick or something. I mean, he was smart, bro. He was very smart on that football field. I'm telling you. I mean, yeah, he was a freak for his size. I mean, 360, just the way that he could move. athletic ability. Kind of a dude's dude as well with his barbecues, man,

inviting the guys over and having that barbecue sauce for everyone. He was also a fucking dog. Yeah, he was a dog. He was grimy in there. Oh, yeah. When you're the guy taking the double team the whole time, and you know you have to go against 600 pounds every fucking play. Because he's taking double teams every play, 600 pounds.

And he would take those double teams and kind of just eat those double teams up. He really would and just let that linebacker just free. to go in and make the place. And he's a fucking stud. He is. He is. I mean, he can shoot a basketball.

I mean, he's an insane thrower of the football. You watch his golf swing. You're like, holy fuck. I think he's scratch golf. This is a true tough one, man. This is really tough to really categorize

and pinpoint Vince Wolfork to just one category. Man. It's going to be tough. On three, what do you expect one? Oh, man. Hold on. Let me keep thinking about this, man.

Ooh. All right. All right. One. Two, three, freak. Oh, man. Oh, man. I know, man.

He is a freak though. But he's so smart, man. I'm telling you. He's a smart football player. Yeah, but that goes into his freakiness where you think a guy that looks like him isn't that smart. He's great. He's great in commercials too. Like you see him in that stove commercials now, like grilling and all that.

He's on TV. But you also, you're sitting there like, look at this large guy. Got to be smart. Look at this large guy. You're right. Like we said, we're kind of. categorizing freaks as you're just looking at someone. You're like, how can they possibly do that being that size?

Also, also like beat. Can we say he's a wizard though? Can you agree with that? I'm 100%. I mean, I always remember Bill talking about how smarty is of a football player instinctive. So I do agree he is a freak of nature. I mean,

obviously to be that size to move, you know, to move that well on the football field, take on double teams and just squash them, just the way he tackled guys too. they would go right down. There was no mistackles by Vince Wolfwork when he got your hands on you.

No. He drape you down and he swallow you. All right. We'll try again. Let's do it again. One, two, three. Freak! Stamp it.

Let's move on to our next guest. So, oh, Dix and Inertial Wave are collaborating with Rob. What is that? A text? Am I accepting this collaboration? Oh, Dick's Sporting.

good. Yeah, Dick's sporting good. It says Dixon and there should wave like, this is getting raunchy. But it kind of goes with Shannon Sharp and his Instagram live. So make sure those Instagram lives are turned off right now, ladies and gentlemen.

Because we don't know what may happen. Start the clock. What's A.I. got to say about O' Shannon. Oh, Shannon. Oh, Shannon Sharp. Shannon Sharp is renowned as one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history, known for his exceptional athleticism and

competitive spirit. Off the field, he is admired for his care. Off the field, he is admired for his charismatic personality and dedication to community service. That was community service on that Instagram life. It made a lot of people happy. A lot of people happy. A lot of people got happy. Yeah, they sure did. And entertainment too. Entertainment. A. That's community service. That's serving the community. Yes, it sure is. All right. They're getting a little out of hand now. Chart made a significant impact on the Denver Broncos and Baltimore Ravens, winning three Super Bowl titles and becoming a key player in their offenses. He was the first tight end to surpass 10,000 receiving yards.

I don't even have 10,000 receiving yards. He's a monster. And this was back in the day. Back in the day. That's basically. And held the records for most receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns by a tight end at the time of his retirement. Sharp's post-retirement career as a sports analyst has farther solidified his influence in the

football world. And he's not just an analyst in the football world either. He's an analyst in all of sports, which he is like, he's, he is broadened his, his fan base big time by, you know, breaking down basketball. Basketball. Breaking down, Rick, what badminton if he had to. Dude. Like, this guy can do it all in the broadcasting world.

When he went up with Skip, him and Skip, like, he could battle him. He could talk. I mean, there's no, that's, he's famous for a reason, not just his podcast, Uncle Shea Shea, and everything that he's got going. This guy's like, you could tell he's a fucking smart guy. He looks like he can still play. He sure does. He looks like a linebacker now as well.

He looks like he's jacked. He can go out there and just level fools and just get right back up. He is jacked. And I think he posted an Instagram within the year of him benching still. And I think it was like 385. It was around there. Don't quote me the exact way, but it was right around there. And he put it up like five times as well.

Jesus. He's huge. Jacked. I watched a lot of the films and the miced up and stuff. Yeah. He could talk some shit too. He's one of the- Sharia can talk some shit.

He is the biggest shit-talking tight end in NFL history. Without a doubt. No doubt about that. How about when he came to Foxborough, one of the old stadium, back in the day, obviously, he was playing in the 90s, and he picked up the phone, the red phone. And now no one picks up the red phone. No one picks up the phone.

You get, you get your ass-busted if you pick up that phone. Hey, hey, someone called the president. Where, what did he say exactly? We just, uh, someone called the president. We're killing the Patriots, sending the troops. Man, something like that. It was right along those lines. Right, right.

Yeah, we are killing the Patriots. Send it. Someone call the president. We are killing the Patriots. And this is back before, like, talking to the cam. Like, now we see players always talking to the camera on the sideline or before a game, pregame, post game. Like, Shan Sharp was an innovator of a lot of that.

Like, when you'd see the guys warming up and the warmups and stuff, he'd always engage the camera, like, and let you know he's about to run up all over your ass in the game that week and start talking to the fans. He's fucking crazy. He is crazy. He has wide receiver bill because I think he was drafted as a wide receiver as well. Was he? Yeah, he was.

And then he put on some weight. Obviously, you got to put on weight if you're drafted as a wide receiver. Went to the tight end position. But that kind of explains why he was such a great route runner because he was a receiver coming into the NFL. And that kind of explains why he's so jacked as well because he had that skinny frame. And then he had to hit the weights hard. There's no doubt about it. He has like this downhill speed.

Like when he gets going, he catches that ball. He's gone. Gone. Right when he catches, he's gone, man. He was athletic as hell. He's a freak. Run by, yeah, he is a freak. He's no doubt about that.

He's a low-key kind of a freak. I don't even think we got to debate at the end. I think he's a freak no matter what. Well, we know he's a freaking them. Yeah, it is. I mean, that Instagram live, back to Instagram live real quick. You think it was set up. I mean, I mean, to get into Instagram live, you have to open up your phone.

Your face has to be recognized. You got to put your password. And then you've got to hit Instagram. Then you've got to hit, like, the story button. And then you've got to move over to the right. and hit Instagram live. And then when you hit that, it says, are you sure you want to go live?

And then you got to hit yes. I mean, I still think it's an accident. Is it an inside job? It's an accident. It was an accident? Was it a girl? Or was he live before? I don't know the story that well.

Was he live before and accidentally put his phone down? I'm not sure. But I mean, it was entertainment. I mean, I didn't listen. He was getting the job done. I didn't listen either. What a hell of a career? One, what do you won?

Three Super Bowls, two at the Broncos and John L.A. in that late Bronco surge of John's career. And then he went to the Ravens and was part of that founding block of foundation for that organization. Him and Ray Lewis, like Ray was the guy that had the team. And it was always,

they always had like quarterbacks that weren't necessarily like big name quarterbacks. It was more of playing to the defense. And, you know, the guy on the offense that was always represented with Shannon Sharp. That's what I remember as a kid when you watch the Ravens. It was Shannon Sharps team on the offense.

And that's crazy. The crazy thing about Shannon is his brother Sterling and the amount of respect he had for his brother who he had like a, what do you? He played, how many years? He played seven years in the league, got cut with the neck injury, got cut short with the neck injury. He was like tearing up everything was all pro five times, led the NFL in receptions a few, three years. And it was really cool to hear when Shannon got inducted to the Hall of Fame. that he would be the only guy up there in the Hall of Fame that had a brother that was better than him. He said something along those lines.

I'm paraphrasing. So you have to give a shout out to Sterling. And he was really good on TV back in the two. Well, shout out to Sterling as well, because actually I didn't know any of this has ever occurred. I didn't know that Shannon had a brother. He was a monster. That played in the NFL. Thank you for the facts, Jules.

Thank you for the knowledge. We're always here to learn. That was pretty cool that you know more about a tight end than, then, you know, I know about a tight end. So that was cool. It's pretty cool to hear the brother brother. It is. Like, he had an older brother.

Like, do you have any of those stories where your older brother, like, punked you into? Of course. That's why I also think it was really cool that you shared that story because I got three older brothers and one younger brother played on their teams growing up, played same football teams in high school and college and didn't remember Dan was on our team. Yeah. The New England Patriots for a little bit.

Yeah, big piece. he does have a big piece. And it's dark as well. Yeah. So it's like a double whammy big piece. Double whammy big piece. Yeah, it's tan, I guess. I don't know.

That's what I've heard. That's what his wife told me. You're his brother. You've definitely seen his dick. No, no, he's never shown me. I was making fun of him one time and then his wife came in like, well, he has a bigger and darker dick than you. And I was like, well, I know that, but I'm going to keep making fun of him.

like i already know that that's why i am making fun of them so i can make myself go but okay back to shannon sharp who has a sharp piece cool why are we all jules why are we talking about this stuff i don't know yeah i mean this is dude talk though this is dudes on dudes like this is so great because whenever we get off you know subject and topic and everything we can always just blame it on the name of the show it's dudes just being dudes and no lie that's what dudes do man dudes talk about it's weird. Why do dudes talk about piece sizes so much, like when it's just the dudes like on the couch watching the game? I don't think-

Why is that? I don't know. It always comes back to that. It's weird. Mono e. Mono. Mm-hmm. Fourth leg.

The greatest trash talker of all time. I was watching him on the whatever NFL, one of those NFL shows, top 100 shows, wherever. I had the NFL channel on. And someone told Shannon Sharp before, don't quote me exactly. It's just along these lines. They said, hey, Shannon. you want to be famous, you want to be well known, then don't block. And Shannon Sharp took that to heart.

And he went out there and goes, I'm going to go out there and catch passes. I'm going to go out there and I'm going to be well known. I'm going to be famous. And I'm going to catch past, the score, touchdowns, and get first downs. And that's sure what he did. But he wasn't that bad of a blocker either. He went out there. He got it done.

He's kind of one of the first tight ends revolutionized, the tight end position as well. And to open up in offense at the tight end position. and he's kind of more of a H-back titan as well, kind of shorter, more stalkier, and he got the job done. He runs like a deer. He was, I mean, he didn't have all those stats for not being great. I mean, he's a monster.

Did you ever watch that Kat Williams interview? Nah, I haven't, but I didn't either, but I just remember the hype of that whole thing. That's what happened, what Kat Williams went on like a three-hour rant. I feel like Shannon would be a great time to hang out with, like back in the day when he was your team, and you went out to the club with him.

He would be a freaking great thing. He would go up and talk to any girl, I bet. He just talks trash 24-7. He would go up. He'd be in the club talking to like eight girls at once talking garbage about his teammates are hyping you up like, he'd be hyping you up. He'd be hyping you up.

You see my boy over there? You see my boy over there? You see that touchdown he had? He needs a girl like you tonight. He needs a back massage. He needs some relaxation. We need him ready for next week. Can you please go over there and just sit on his lap?

I'm telling you a good-looking guy. I've seen him. He's seen him in the shower, too, before I'm telling him. He's looking at him right over there. Yeah, ultimate hype guy, but I bet you'd be like that. But you probably hate playing against him. Like, we never played against him. You probably hate playing against Shannon Sharp.

Just because of A, his production, how good he was. And B, he let you know how good he was. Most ripped tight end of all time, too. He's got, he's up there. No, up there. He is the most ripped. Look at him. He's fucking Jack. Jack. Biceps freaking sticking out. He loved that Hennessy. I see, I've seen him drinking Hennessy. Is it a bunch, right? There's always pictures.

I swear he'll be working out. I don't know what it is, but this guy, I don't know how he can drink that alcohol and look that great. God touched him. Because he, he's fucking a monster in a great way. Who were some of the best trash talkers you played against? Oh, Troussox. He was great. T. Sizzle? Yeah, T. Cizzle. Come through that same route. Yeah, he does. T. Cissel was great, man. He was a scary player as well. He was massive. T. Cisillel loved the talk to talk talk garbage. What did he say to you? I mean, it was so long ago.

Yeah. Yeah, it was so long ago. You like, fuck you, grown? Yeah. Like, just shit like that. I'm like, I'm going to kill you. He loved. He loved the talk, like, over the line and over me and just direct. it right to Brady. Did he always, always, man. He was just directing it right to Tom every single game and then I'd be in front of him. You ain't touching Tom.

I'm here. I'm chipping your ass. You ain't getting to him. Yeah. But I would never talk garbage back really to him because he was scary too. Yeah, he was scary. Yeah. T.

Shizzle. I don't know. Bart Scott said, fuck you to Billy O's. Remember that in the playoff game? Yeah. Bart Scott. I remember when Bart Scott went up, right? He was three inches from Billy O'Brien's face and said,

fuck you, white boy. And Billy O's T-Kettle, he goes, Fuck you, Bart! I love him, Billy O' yells, man. I always got me excited and always got me going. Oh, they beat our ass that game. That was when we were 14 and 2. Yeah, they did.

They beat our ass in that division game. Fucking Jets. We should have never lost Africa. What was it? What was Bart Scott's thing? Can't wait. Can't wait. Can't wait.

to lose the next game. Ten minutes is up. All right. What kind of dude is Shannon Sharp? I mean, freak. Absolute freak. He's a freak. He's a freak in the wake room.

Freak on the field. Freak in the sheets. Just freak on the undisputed show. Freak on serious radio when he was on. He's been a freak his whole life. He's freaky. He's freaky, freaky, freaky, freaky. He's also, he can be dog.

Oh, a little bit. But he's more of a freak. He's a freak. He's freaky Friday. Stamp. He's a freaky Friday. Freaky Friday. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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Known for his incredible arm strength, agility, and leadership, leading his team to multiple Super Bowl victories. Few. Not a couple, a few. What, three Super Bowls, been to how many? Four Super Bowl, he's been to him? Yeah, he's been a four. Three-time champion. Jesus.

Off the field, he has admired for his humility. Community involvement. and philanthropic efforts, particularly through his 15 and the Mahomes Foundation. He's a guy for the kids. Loves the kids, just like myself. I have the Grank Nation Youth Foundation. We're for the kids.

That's why I love Patrick even more now. He's for the kids. When you're for the kids, you're a good dude. When you're for the kids, you're a good dude. Mahomes, combination of talent, work ethic, and character has made him one of the most respected and influential. figures in the NFL today. Wow.

Tell you the truth, I don't think AI actually got it right. I mean, if AI got it right, it would have been a page of like, they didn't even say anything about his arm angle thing. Like everyone talks, every human talks about this fucking arm angle. He can throw the ball sideways. He can throw it, you know, over the shoulder. Behind the back. We see the behind the back this year?

He can throw it with his eyes closed. No lookers. I mean, Patrick Levan, home. Mahomes the second. He's, he's, why are you laughing? Patrick LeVon. I love how you're just saying his middle name as well.

I like Patrick LeVon Mahomes a second. It's, it's a good sound. No, I got a story with him. So back when you were balling in 2017 Super Bowl against Philadelphia, Minnesota, I had to torn ACL. And so I proceed to go out.

And it's me, Cliff Kingsbury. his agent, Eric, and Jacqueline, who was working with Cliff, who Mahomes' marketing lady, and this rookie, Patrick Mahomes. And we were all at this table at some party or some, I don't even know, club. And Mahomes was just like the coolest little dude, chugging beers. We were sitting back chugging beers. I didn't even really know he was because they still had Alex Smith.

This was the year that he sat behind him, right? And no one knew who he was. And he was just, you could tell he was one of the dudes that you wanted to hang around. He's a, he's a fucking just good ass kid. He was like a little puppy there, man. He was just, yo, let's take a shot. You want to know. And it's so crazy to see where his story's gone.

I mean, he's a fucking, he's a legend. He's an absolute legend. He is a legend. I don't have a story like that. I just met him one time really quick. It was on the set of a subway commercial. and I was shooting and then he was right after me. And I mean, good thing.

I didn't have a foot long, you know, in my hand when I met him. That would have been a little awkward. But when I went up to him, we kind of, I just got outside. You got with your pants. How would you know that, Jules? I showered with you for 10, 9 years.

Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Oh, yeah, forgot. His brother's bigger, though. Yeah, he has a monster piece. Dan G. should represent subway. Back to Mahomes.

All right. So I just, you know, I was coming out of my trail. I just finished my set. Then he was coming on the set. He was coming out of his trailer. And then we just walked by each other.

I just met him super quick for about 30 seconds. We just said, what's up? I don't have a cool story like you, Jules, but he just seems like the ultimate dude, like a great guy, great teammate,

person that, you know, that will never, you know, any, like, will ever get too big time for anyone. Like,

fame will never change this guy. I feel like. Just the way he acts, the way he carries himself, which is great. And I feel like that's why he's loved by America. The chiefs might not be loved by America, but there's no one that says, hey, you know, I don't like Patrick Mahomes. I mean, if they don't like Patrick Mahomes, it's because he is facing their team, you know, that week currently and beating their ass.

That is right. But overall, man, everyone loves Patrick Mahomes. They love his game. They love his personality. They love what he represents. And he's just the man, dude. just the way he plays the game as well. He's not scared.

He has no fear out there on the field. I mean, he doesn't care if he's going to get hit by a linebacker, hit by D-Lyman. Just his game just brings a whole new perspective to the fans in the NFL. Definitely. And like you said, his success hasn't changed him at all. You can tell how he handles himself in front of the media that he's such a team guy. Like when you watch him, he never points Fing. He only points thumbs.

You know what I mean? He never says anything. He always puts it on himself. And that's what a lead. That's someone who we played with that did. That's what Tom did. Exactly. You know what I mean?

That's why he, you know, he's in that, he's doing what Tom shit. I literally think Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady have the most similar careers out of like any other quarterbacks. I mean, they both sat behind another quarterback when they got into the league, which I think a lot of first rounders

should be doing this. that. I mean, look how much, you know, mature Patrick Mahomes was, you know, going in when he first started because he sat behind Alex Smith. He got to learn. And then when it was his term up. Yes, Jane Daniels. Yes, Jaden Daniels is the only one that I would say. Yeah, he's right. He's NFL ready. But why you got to like, there's an exception. But a majority, I mean, majority of the time, it's better for a player, you know, first round quarterback to sit. You know, obviously Tom sat behind Drew Blatzzo, Patrick Mahom sat behind. Alex Smith. and then it was when it was their opportunity,

they were ready to go and they took full advantage and then they became the starter from there on out. Didn't Josh Allen sit behind wasn't Fitzpatrick there for a little bit early on? He didn't come out. We're not talking about Josh Allen right now.

I forget. You're getting off track. But he like always though. He used to you getting off track. But you always get right back on track. That's why I love you. He's, you just need someone there

just whipping your ass at all times. I need it. Need it. Need it. I need it too. And it really is. He's really revolutionized the quarterback position. You could put him in that same category as like Steph Curry, who's changed the position.

Now, Tom, he's just a sit in the quarterback, sit in a pocket type spot type quarterback. The best one to do that. The best one to do that. This is the first time where you've seen like the real, real athletic quarterback guy that changes launch angles, guy that makes plays with like second plays within the plays really succeed and do what he's done. And it's made like, you see the kid at Nebraska? What's his name? Dylan Rayola?

I mean, you have now young kids trying to look identical to what Patrick Mahomes is doing. And you see a lot of that. You saw a lot of that with Aaron Rogers and his play, how people emulated, how he plays. You know, you look at how Jordan Love throws and all these younger quarterbacks, the Zach Willisans, their little jump passes where they try to get that ground force production. Mahomes is also doing that. Now people are looking at Mahomes.

He's that next generation where everyone of these little kids is really emulating, which is very parallel to what Steph Curry did the NBA. And what also the factor is with Steph Curry now is too is that he can hit a three-pointer with a seven-footer in front of his face with the best guard guarding him.

While he can hit the three-pointer off of one foot falling backwards on a fadeaway, that's kind of like Mahomes on the field as an NFL quarterback. He's doing no look passes. He's falling backwards getting hit. He's still throwing it on target. What else? He's throwing it underhand to the guy.

So him and Steph Curry are very similar in the way that they can just release that ball and still get it to exactly where they needed to go and swish every shot still. It's unbelievable. Rob, what a fucking, what that was a fucking three point. That was a half court three point. That was a three point. From downtown, I'm heating up. That was a three-pointer take. I got a scouting report for

freaking Patrick Mahal's as well. I wrote a scouting report. He's crafty. He has great ability to extend plays. And that's actually what makes Patrick Mahomes possibly, possibly better than the goat in the end. That's the only thing that I would say could possibly make him better than Tom Brady in the end is that he can extend plays to a whole another degree. But he's never going to be better than Tom. Even if he is, I'll never say that because I love Tom. Also, I'm just saying the way he can extend plays, that's what makes the Kansas City Chief so good. He's about to be sacked and he just rolls out, spins off a defender and then he throws

to Travis Kelsey or Tyreek Hill when he had him or a no name seventh rounder like you, Julian. Once again, making that seventh rounder famous like Tom did with you. Yeah. Yeah. Like making Travis Kelsey famous like Tom Brady made you know myself famous you know throwing the boss to me. That's what that's what that's why these quarterbacks are great because they're making us famous as well. Making us money.

So what were you going to say? What were you going to say? I don't know. Good. I forgot what I was going to say. It's also pretty cool that he has like in our situation. We never really had an offensive minded head coach and we never really got to see the tandem of head coach with offensive. or with quarterback.

You know, like, I think his relationship with Andy Reid is something really special as well. I think they can, they can, they can finish each other's sentences. Now, Brady and Belichick can do that too, but I think when they finish each other's sentences, there's like a twinkle in their eye, you know, like, it's kind of like,

it's like, I'm the one who finish the sentence. Yeah, yeah. You see? No, but it just, it's, I think, I think, you know, for as much as the public is getting sick of the Kansas City Chiefs, it's guys like Patrick Mahomes. They got some really cool dudes at the top of that organization.

Even Trive, man, he's a really cool dude. Definitely. Like, where you don't mind rooting for them. You know, they're great. And I'm rooting for the greatness to see it. I mean, not crazy. Back to the scouting report. I had a couple more, you know, X factors on that scouting report.

He has awesome vision, obviously. He's creative. of he's unflappable. You know what that is, Jules? What is that? You know, like, he just can't be tackled. He can't be stopped. Slippery.

Yeah, he's slippery. There it is. He's slippery. Slipri and what? Shout out Bon Jovi. Kind of like Kamara, as a quarterback. Kamara's slippery when he goes through that, then he goes through that hole, like no one can get him and he just falls off of every

tackle. Twinkle tone. He makes off-schedged plays as well, which that's why the Kansas City Chiefs are so great, and they have a chance in every game, because of those off-scheduled plays. When you're supposed to be sacked, it turns into a 30-yard bomb. He's even keel. He's never too high and he's never too low.

No. Which that's how you need to be in the NFL because the NFL has so many highs and so many lows. And if you can stay in the middle, that's a talent right there itself. Even when he's doing the whole, the one thing that it fucking cracks me up, what he does is when there's a penalty or something and he'll stick his little head in the, uh, The referee fucking the huddle. It's like, oh, he does that little, that little fucking head wave. Oh, it's on them.

It's on them. I get so mad when he does that. I don't know why. I know. It's not on them. But he's kind of like, he's influencing the refs. He's calm cool. It's on us.

It's on us. It's on us. It's on us. Like calm cool thing that you were saying. Go ahead. And most importantly, he's durable. Durable. And if he's hurt, he still goes out there and he performs.

He what? In the playoffs, he had like the high ankle spray. Dude, he just came right back out and just kept throwing bombs still. So a Super Bowl. That's what makes a quarterback, a quarterback is when you're injured, you know, an elite quarterback and elite quarterback is when you're beat up still, you're still going out there. And that's why this guy reminds me of Tom a lot. Yeah.

A lot. Because Tom, hey, he would go out there no matter what the situation was. However he was banged up, he would still perform and go out there and play too. So many injuries, no one knows about that Tom played through because that's how good he was. And that's what Patrick Mahomes does. He adjusts his game when he's hurt. Remember like with that High ankle sprain

What was that? That was their last two Super Bowls ago? It was the first one where you had the high ankle frame. Two Super Bowls ago. And I was sitting there like this could be really bad. And he had that really big run. He had a really big third down run that was like that sealed the game I think.

I'm coming off of memory. And I was sitting there like, man, that's what competitors do. They don't talk. You know, he didn't make. it loud about his ankle, but when it was freaking nut cutting time, the due went out and he was an

assassin made the play. He always makes the play when his team needs him to make the play and that's why he's considered the best quarterback in the league right now. I mean, he's clutching big moments. There's no doubt about that. I mean, I don't think if the Kansas City Chiefs didn't have Mahomes, they want to have, you know, one in these situations that they've

been winning in. I mean, the guy comes through every single time they need a big play and when the game is close, he manages to score or put them, you know, the offense in field goal position so them Bucker can just go out there and just kick a 70-yarder right through the middle and, and just win the game every time. It's crazy.

It's crazy. It's a lot of, their team is like very similar to ours. Very similar in all, in all ways, if you really think about it. Great kicker. Yes. Best quarterback in the league. And then a lot of great, best tight end in the league. Yes.

And, you know, Travis kind of having, he's getting a lot of. of the eyes right now his production's down. But then they always have some other guy. You know what I mean? Some other guy as well. The defense is strong. Chris Jones on the defense aside is kind of like Devin McCordy and Dante Hightower.

Like they're very, very similar. And then obviously coach Belichick, coach Andy Reid, very similar coaches. And you want to know where they're very similar as well from what I've heard. Practice is they practice hard. Practice hard. They practice hard. And in New England, we practice hard. It made games easier.

If you were recovered for the game. If you were recovered for the game. I already made the game suck if you weren't recovered for the game. There was one time where he didn't come in clutch. When was that, Jules? Was that when there was a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay that you were playing in? Yeah, but, you know, it was just an overall domination of the whole team. Yeah.

They were missing those linemen. Yeah, they were missing the linemen. lineman and we just dominated, you know, a whole entire game. We dominated the offensive side of the ball. We had a great game plan going in. Everyone, we had a script of like 80 plays and literally we ran like all 80 of those

plays to the exact T that we wanted to. It went literally from practice and translated right into the game. We were just checking mark, checking off like every play that we ran that we'd go to the next and every play was working. And on top of our defense was ready. We even got blown out

versus them in the regular season. I think that was our last regular season lost, too. And before we went on that, you know, eight-game winning streak. But, yeah, the defense, we, we just scouted them like, like, it was nothing, dude. We were on Mahomes big time, but it really wasn't Mahomes' fault. Yeah. It was just a domination just overall as our team dominated their whole team in every aspect of the game. So Mahomes really didn't have a chance to, you know, perform like Mahomes.

Yeah. Yeah. that's that that was a that was a great game that really was and then on top of it man what about the freaking um a fc championship game that's another time buffalo you know no when we face mohomes and a fc championship game man i mean i mean the best a fc championship game of all time i believe and it was our time to shine as well and it was always you know a doubt hey can the new lincoln patriots go on the road and win a super bowl we never did before we never done that before and that solidified us to be

the dynasty of all dynasties because we went into arrowhead, 2018, the chiefs were the number one Cs. Sexy team. They were electric. And let me tell you, Mahomes didn't disappoint in this game. No, he did. The reason why Mahomes lost is because he didn't have a chance in the playoffs, in the, not the playoffs, in the overtime, but touched the ball because we got the ball first and we went right down the field and scored. And guess what? I watched that game. just now in Dallas with my nephew.

He put the game on the last five minutes of the game. Let me tell you my blood was my heart was racing. My blood pressure was up because it was one of the best games I've ever seen. I haven't ever rewatched it either. In Jules, man, you came through in the clutch, boy. So did you? No. Yeah, I did too.

But no, let me tell you, third and ten. We did that a lot. The game's over. We're down by four? Oh, Rob, you know, just chip blocking the DN, giving Tom extra time, Tony Romo in the booth. Now, expect Julian Adelman to go up, you know, like he's running under, then to go up like he's going deep and then the run across or Tom Brady will hit him.

It's third and ten. That's going to be the play. Boom, what happened? You go right across the middle on an over route. Boom, first down. Third and ten again, Tony Romo. Expect Julian across the middle. Tom Brady's going to hit him.

Expect gronk to chip. Give Tom more time. Boom. hit Julian up the frickin middle once again for another first down and then Tony Romo again well this time gronk is spread out wide let's see what he can do it's third and time it's third and it was pretty on it guess what he just has to go to gronk it's one-on-one coverage he's not going to look anywhere else what happens wop fade route first and ten baby let's go baby you came through clutch so much you had a heck of a playoff run that that year as well that was a fun year

and that was kind of the passion of the torch for for tom to to mom Holmes, you know, it was kind of like, for at least that matchup. Tom played him again in New England, uh, in, uh, Tampa. But like that was like a different one because that was like, that was the road to the AFC championship was always through us. And it went to them, Tom had to say right before he left the conference, say, buddy, there was a hell of a run. You'll always, I'll hold my beer.

You'll always remember me. you always remember you didn't win when I was here and as soon as Tom left that little motherfucker he's been winning the balls ever since so Patrick Mahomes What kind of time? We went way over it's Patrick Mahomes Oh my gosh we're at 20 minutes

Yeah oh my gosh it felt like 10 minutes The guy's guy has won as a starter from the very beginning He's a fucking guys no losing seasons He's on pace to be We're only supposed to talk about him for 10 minutes But it's been like 20 minutes but we could talk about Mahomes for the next two hours if we really wanted to.

There's so many crucial situations. I want to have a beer with him again. So many situations he's been in where he has come back and just made magic happen. He should be right here one day and we should have a beer with him. That's the kind of guy he is. Yeah. But we got to get to this.

What kind of dude, you know, is Patrick Mahomes? I kind of feel like we kind of went over it and already hit it. But is he a stud? Is he a freak? Is he a dog? Is he a whiz? Is he a dudes dude? I mean, I feel like he represents and, uh,

He can hit him all. All these categories, but what is he? What one does he most exemplify? I think two right now that are coming to, three are coming to me right now. Freak, dog, and dudes dude. Freak dog and dudes do. I mean, the guy's a wizard, though. And he's a wizard and he's wizard.

Basically recreated the offense because of him. He basically recreated how you draft a quarterback. But what I mean, really thinking I'm definitely going to go with one of the three that, you know, you hit. Maybe Patrick Mahomes deserves two of them because he's just that good. But we can't do that. We can't break the form for no one. And it was so great.

He is a freak and he's a freak with a dad bod. But that's the advantage is that a quarterback, here's my big take on quarterbacks is if you're jacked, you're going to only have like three years in the NFL. If you're coming out in your jacked coming out of college. I'm not even going to bring up any names, but. I can name so many that these quarterbacks are jacked. They can bench so much that your arm's going to fall off because you're too tight after after three years.

That's why this guy's so great because he has a dad bod. And when you have a dad bod, you're a looser than freaking. He's a fucking dog too. A loose cannon. Yeah. He is a dog. He is a dog.

But he's a freak dog. Yeah, he is. So can he be a freak, freaky dog? You know what? Or is he just a whiz? He just clutch. He's more than a whiz, though. Wizz is like someone that's really smart

that keeps them in the league longer because they're not a freak. So you can't give him like a whiz. You can't give him a whiz. But I think he's a dog. He is a dog. Because the mental, physical toughness, always motivated, relentless.

There are so many freaking, there's so many third downs that we don't even talk about that he converted when it was, his team needed it. that like made a drive more or that took an offense off the field or kept an offense off. There's so many of those situations that he's a fucking dog. He's an assassin.

He will murder your team. All right, Jules. Like I said, we can talk about him for the next three hours. We got to put him in the category of a freak or a dog. What is he? Or you got three seconds to decide. Freak. He's a freak.

He's a freak of nature. There's only one, Patrick. He's a freak. I know that the little kid out in Nebraska. He got the shades, the hair cut, the same damn walking, clapping stuff. There's only one of those. He's inspiring. He is, man.

He's a freak. Freak of nature. All right. Stamp it. All right. After the next. Start the time. All right, here we go.

Here's the synopsis. I can give you a clue. He wears number 12. Oh, good clue. Yeah. All right. At 6 foot 1, 185 pounds. He's one of college football's most electrifying talents.

Oh, our first college football player, Jules. All right. Now are we talking. I was waiting for this day. I was waiting for this day. I was too. You know, this is a Christmas present. Early Christmas present here we got for all the college football fans out there.

Eight crazy nights. Initially, a top five recruit committed to a Power 5 school. He made ways by committing to an HBCU program. Now playing in the Big 12. He's making highlights on both sides of the ball. Weekend and week. week out. A Florida native, he was a two-sport athlete, excellent in both football and basketball in high school. Off the field, he's a gamer and content creator with a massive social media

following. Jules, who is our first college player wearing number 12? Let's get on Travis Hunter. Ooh, man. All right. All right. I like this, man. I'm excited too, man. Not just because we have our first college football player, but we have the biggest college football player in all of college, possibly a Heisman trophy winner. He's a two-way player, one of the best wide receivers in the game, but also one of the best defensive backs in the game. When was the last time we've even seen a player play both ways, not just in the NFL ranks, but we're talking just even in the college ranks, Jewel.

Well, I don't think anyone's played like this. I don't think he's, I don't think he's averaging 114 players. plays per game. That's that's fucking gnarly. I remember when we played the game you didn't play in that 16 Super Bowl when we, we had three receivers. We had a hundred and like two plays and we were fucking exhausted. Gassed. Exhausted. And this guy plays 114 plays a hundred fourteen plays average a game, which is that's that's that's crazy to me. But also he's like he's like that first he's like we're starting to get a lot of these new guys these are the first generation guys of going from like one school to another school i mean i believe he committed to florida state and then

dion didn't get the job and then he went to jackson state and then from jackson state went to the big 12 to colorado with coach prime like this is this new generation of like a free agent type player and i don't blame him why wouldn't you go with one of the most electrifying athletes that did it where you want to go in the National Football League with Dion Sanders, who's going to help you develop to what you ultimately want to do and become a pro. I mean, it's been so impressive to watch this kid play. Well, Sadden, you can't blame the kid at all going where Dion Sanders goes because it's all about relationships in life.

If you have a good relationship, why would you want to break that relationship? You know, relationships go far. If it's a long-distance relationship, or if it's a relationship, you can go somewhere with someone. So you've got to give him much respect that he's loyal, Dion and Travis Hunter are loyal to each other and each other's family. And you got to appreciate that because you don't see loyalty, you know, like that anymore in the United States. All this social media, everyone's usually out there for themselves.

But to see that loyalty is something special. And that's why it's working. And that's why he's, you know, Dion's creating a powerhouse just within Travis Hunter and then also a powerhouse of a program at Colorado. Because they're loyal to each other there. And I like that, man. I like it a lot. Now, what do you think he's better at? Receiver or DB?

Oh, man, that's a tough question. And what's he going to do? There's another question as well. What's he going to do when he gets to the NFL? He's going to play both. He's going to pick a wide receiver. He's going to pick a corner. I mean, we can all throw our perspectives in.

But, I mean, it's always obviously up to what he wants to do and what's best for the team or whatever way he wants to go, whatever, which way and direction. But in college, I would say his first couple years, he was a better quarterback. A better cornerback. He was making play. his interceptions.

You know, he kind of, you know, was doing well at the wide receiver position running by guys. But lately now, since Colorado has taken off, their top 20 now, they're winning games. And I would say that has to do with Travis Hunter stepping it up at the wide receiver position. And from what I'm seeing, he is a better wide receiver now than he is a cornerback, you know, this year, his third year in the college ranks. I thought he was a better cornerback his first two years than being a wide receiver. but what he's doing now is special at that wide ride receiver position he's starting to understand it more i feel like you know he's running routes now he's not just more athletic than the other guy he's going up there he's pinpointing the ball

jumping over two guys strong hands that's exactly what you need at the next level as well and it's just fun to see him go man and you want to know what makes him so fast you want to know what makes him so fast is he got skinny calves man As Dion Sanders always said, you never seen a racehorse with calves. Mm-hmm. You never seen a race horse with calves. I remember Dion said that one somewhere. I could be fully wrong, but I feel like that's, I had big calves, so I wasn't a fast, fast guy. Look on my legs, man.

Change the direction calves. I got way too big of legs, man. No, the thighs are, the thigh, it's not the thigh. You look at his thighs, he's got big thighs. But when you have those little bird calves that come up to here, you know what I'm talking about that little, it's like a little bird calf. Like you think I could. That's a speed guy. You think if I get liposuction in my calves,

I can make it back to the NFL? No, but if you get a calf implant, you'd look really cool. That was a good answer, Joel. I like that. Way better. Is you going to win the Heisman? I mean, you got to play out the whole year

to see if he should win the Heisman or not. And I truly don't even know anyone else that's in Heisman contention. Yeah. That's half of it, right? Media. Yeah, half of it is media. I think he should because it's unbelievable

what he's doing on both sides of the ball. And what's so great about him as a defensive back, too, he's always around the ball. I mean, he's making interceptions off tiff balls. He's making interceptions because he's going to go make the play and go and deserve that interception. But when you fall into an interception, that's just because you're always around the ball. And you have that knack of just always wanting to be around the football. That's just a smart player right there, man. He's a really, he's an exceptional zone corner. I haven't seen a lot of man. And I haven't watched a whole, whole lot. I mean, I watched a lot of his highlights.

for this and I've seen all his highlights. But like his instinct to jump off of his zone to track another zone and reading the quarterback is really good. Like he's always like a trap zone defender. Like he'll keep his eyes in the backfield. Trap meaning he's got the flat. There's a guy inside of him and there's a two deep safety. Like he'll keep his eyes on that backfield and he's breaking on the ball before the receiver is because he knows, you know, probably the receiver's responsibility, which I remember when I played defense,

it made me a better receiver, you know, when they brought me into those meetings. That's what I did want to ask you as well. What was it like playing defense and offense? Actually, you did it in the NFL ranks as well. That was what year 2011? So you can explain more of what Travis Hunter is doing than anyone else.

Well, as a player, it made me a better, it made me a better receiver. Because once I stepped into all the defensive back meetings, I was learning what they were protecting. I was learning their techniques. I was learning on certain things what they would try to do with safeties. That's really what mattered. The corners could lie.

But if the safeties were out of position, that's when you would pay. The leverage that the defensive back always had to keep because he was protected with certain help. on certain sides. Like, that taught me as a receiver, like, in my route running, that if I do this to this guy, I know he's protecting this, which I see it in his game when he's playing defense,

when he's jumping all over these receivers, leaving his zone. So it's really hard mentally. Like, that's what I'm interested to see how he does in the NFL, because once you get to the league, you know, there's no, you know, Rice Academy, uh, agricultural school. where you could just go and glove up their best receiver who's, you know, he's good in college

while having to study, you know, the game plan for offense, which, you know, in an NFC championship, I played like 25 plays on offense. I played 25 plays on defense. I played all the special teams, something along those lines. Could be off a couple plays here or there. But it was so hard for me in the prep week to get all my mind ready for what, my offensive needs were, and then also for what my defensive needs and my responsibilities were. It was a lot mentally.

And then, you know, in practice, you're going the whole time. And in NFL, it's 17-game season. So, you know, it's been really impressive to watch him doing college. I don't know what he's going to do in a pro. I'm probably pretty sure. If I was him, I'd go defense because those corners get paid a lot of money. And then they'd probably give you a package on offense. Here are their red area package or a third-down package or a third-down package.

or you know a gimmick package where we need to get like some spark you get them in like a slip screen or he can catch the ball down the sideline. That's well said though. I believe that he could possibly play both ways in the NFL but not full time both ways. Like you said, have a package for him on offense in the red zone or or third down or whatever it is or whatever best suits his skill set at the wide receiver position and then use him full time on the defensive side of the ball. But I would say it's up to Travis Hunter obviously what he's.

wants to do in the NFL. I mean, coming out of high school, I was an all state defense event. I only had eight catches as a tight end, you know, coming out, coming out, you know, going into the college ranks. But the whole time I knew I wanted to play to tight end position. But if you were a fan out there, you'd be like, wait, wait a second, you were all state. D.N. Why are you going, you know, to college for tight end? Because I knew that best suited me. I knew that I had the best chance of making it to the NFL because I felt like I was a tight end. and I felt like I could grow at that position and be the best out there. So it's all up to him.

It's all up to his mindset what he thinks best suits him. And only Travis Hunter can determine what side of the ball he wants to play. But he's so good. In my eyes, though, it'd be really, really tough to play a full NFL game on both sides. But he's so good. He's good at both positions where he could be in packages on both sides of the ball. He could be an impactful player on both sides of the ball. He may, yeah.

Probably special team or two. Oh, he returned kicks. He's also. making $3 million a year right now in college, so he ain't no rush. Man, what would you do with that money if you had that in college, Jules? $3 million, bro, I would probably have, at that time of my life, I'd have the sickest, like, surround sound, big screen TV, I'd have the dopest, like, Xbox stuff. I'd have a gamer chair.

Because when you're in college, that's what you did. You play video game. I'd have a sick poker. We used to play a lot of poker in college. I'd buy, like, a sick custom poker table for, like, a poker night. All right. Now we're talking. Obviously, you're going to, I mean, we, you roll up to Georgia's fucking student parking lot.

You see nothing but Lamborghini. So I think I'd have to join the club, get a Lambo or something. I mean, you're a college kid. You got no fucking fears of anything. I call those Lambo shitboxes. Well, you want to know why because I can't fit it. My knees are going through the windshield. I would have a freaking F-150 Raptor or something.

I know what you would do. I would have the Lambo. I would have the Lambo of the. you know, four trucks. I don't really like them either, but I just probably, I just can't feel it. I don't get a Lambo.

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Would you just buy an Olympic-sized pool and make it a hot tub? There we go. There you go. You're hitting me right on the money, Jules. Also, no, I was a big Halo player, man. I love video games. And Halo was our game in the house that we lived in. We played four-way players on that, what was it, Xbox 360.

And we had the four worst gaming chairs of all time. Oh, yeah. They were falling apart, like two wheels on the chair. But it was squeaking, ruining the floor every single time we were playing. But we didn't care as long as we got our Halo in. and Halo like gave you that excitement, gave you that juice as well before going out. So it was always a pregame game to play as well

before hitting the town on a Friday night. But I would have had the, I would have had the best possible video game set up that you could possibly have if I was making that type of money in college, man, big time. Time. Let's do it. It's time.

What kind of dude is Travis Hunter? Man. He seems like a great team guy. He is a great team guy. team guys seems he doesn't seem selfish he seems like he gets along with everyone he has a great attitude so he could be a dude he could definitely be a dude you know especially to the video gamers out there yeah i mean always streaming with everyone always letting everyone have the inside of what's going on in his life which is really cool man and what's different about this era compared to our

era is if you were a streamer or if you were big on social media at our time like it would be frowned upon like like coaches would use that against you if you mess up on the field but that's what this new generation, these new millennials are all about. Hey, let's vlog. Let's blog. Let's play video games. Let's, what is it, Twitch? And let everyone see our video game streaming going on. And that's totally normal. And that's how it should be. Because if you take

care of business on the field, you can do whatever you want outside of football on your own time. But our era, it was always frowned upon because there was no such thing as social media. Like, it was just starting to become big. So they would use every excuse if you messed up on the field. Oh, he's on Twitter. Oh, he's on Twitter. or he's doing that video game. But it's cool that guys like him are just so good at what he does on the field. And it makes it totally normal that he's still a streamer. And he's kicking ass at that too.

So that's really cool. You know, so at Colorado, they have the L or the D. They don't give a C. They don't give the captain logo. They give a leader or a dog. And he got the dog symbol. So he could be a dog. Because as D.N says, every dog ain't a leader.

And every leader ain't a dog. Ooh. I like it. That's real, too. That's real. I honestly don't see, I see him as a dog. Like we always say, guys are multiple things, but the one thing that sticks out to me, I want to see if it sticks out to you on three.

One, two, three, three. Stamp it. Why is he a stud? I would say he's a stub because he's playing 144 plays a game. Well, that's freaky. Yeah, actually. all right all right you're right that's freaky you're right yeah he's a stud on the field because he he's a stud on the field because he's a freak yeah let's change it jules let's change one two three freak yes he's i mean it's pretty it's pretty insane it's pretty insane it's pretty insane to have

114 plays a game i hope he continues to have the success and by the time we drop this maybe they'll be in the play yeah he's 100% of freak when you play 114 plays a game. You're just absolutely freak of nature and he's making plays on both sides of the ball. I mean, yeah, that's studly but that's more of like, whoa. That's like, whoa. That's some freakish material right there. No ands, ifs or

butts about it. He's got some weird, crazy like numbers, uh, records were like he's got over a 500 yards. He's got like four interceptions, this, that. He's done it like three times and one person's ever done it. It was like Champ Bailey. like 25 years ago. So like this guy's in a,

he's in a category of his own. And to be that well conditioned. That's what it is. You're a freak. You're a freak. You're an absolute freak. If you're that welly conditioned.

Welly conditioned. Welly conditioned. The most welly conditioned player in all football. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Right now. What comes to your mind? Josh Allen.

Rob Gunkowski version of quarterback. Oh, I like that one, brother. Beast mode. Like he's beast moment. Big Josh Allen fan. Big Josh Allen fan. We always used to call you beast mode. And he gets into this beast mode where he takes over games with his size, his speed, his arm.

You know, we all thought this year was a rebuild year for the Buffalo Bills. They are representing the AFC East in the championship game. Hold on. Before you keep going, there's no such thing. It's like Tom Brady being in New York. England. There's no such thing as a rebuild year when you have Tom Brady at the quarterback position. And now that's the same thing with Josh Allen. There is no such thing as a rebuild year because Josh Allen is at the quarterback home. And when he's at the quarterback home, he's always

going to find a way to win the games. And also they got head coach Sean McDermott as well. Tough guy. And he's there as well. There's no such thing as a rebuilding year in Buffalo anymore. They're always going to be contenders with those two. This could be one of his most impressive years. It is because it's actually a year. where they didn't, you know, they were saying, ah, there's not enough talent around him. He doesn't really have a wide receiver. He makes talent.

Yeah, exactly. He makes talent. And they got, they traded their star receiver digs over to Houston and just look how much Josh Allen is thriving this year. It's just truly showing how much knowledge he has of the game and how much intellectual he brings to the game as well and to that offense and just how skilled he really is.

This is the year that he has taken it to a whole other. He takes it to a level, new level every year and he took it to even another. level this year, Jules. He's impressive. Have you ever met him? I met him real quick at Titan U in Nashville, the Titan University. He went? Yeah, he went and he was the quarterback and let me tell you, it was amazing because I, you know, I always kind of dreamed about playing for the Buffalo bills because I'm a kid. It's like you dreaming for the San Francisco 49ers. You, you thought it, you probably still think like, how cool would that be if you come with it? I almost went. Exactly. I almost went to Buffalo as well, but it just never really worked out. And we were talking.

Could have been a hassle. We were talking at Titan U. And he was throwing me, some passes up the scene, man. And he was just laying that ball right in. He got a zinger. And then he was trying to recruit me. He's like, come on, come out of retirement, come to Buffalo, you know. Look, we would do big things. And I'm like, we would do big things and all that. But it just just never happened, man.

I just was not, you know. All these quarterbacks trying to steal you. Yeah, they are. They are. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. Hey, Jesus. Just in the end, it just, you know, I was just done with football. It just wasn't there anymore.

But I would have loved to play, you know, with Josh Allen Buffalo for at least one year. That's what was intriguing me when I was even talking to the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Joe's so a couple big time quarterbacks have recruited me. Yeah. Have any recruited you before? Not really. I don't think so. Why not?

Probably an asshole. No, actually, I don't know. You probably told them they sucked when you saw them. You suck. I know how you get sometimes, Jules. You're just so intense and you're so competitive and I love it so much. Oh, yeah. Well, Brady did try to recruit me to Tampa.

That doesn't count. But he's been your quarterback your whole career. No, I came to him. Yeah, but you know what I mean. Came to him? There's definitely been quarterbacks that try to recruit you to other places. Yeah, but it's different. You were like a, you're a phenomenon.

You're like John Travolta in that movie where he gets struck by lightning and all of a sudden he can speak fucking Portuguese and Spanish. That's you. I'm like just to. Oh, yeah. Oh, brigado. Yo, wakeo, football, American. Oh, there you go.

See, you're like that. I am. So wait, let's get it. How much did Dave Ball help Josh Allen as a quarterback you think? Actually, when I was reading a synopsis, I was already thinking that in my head. That is truly when Josh Allen started breaking out as a quarterback that he is now. Daible brings the best out of players. You know, Daible as a head coach, they're struggling over there in New York, you know.

But put all that aside because being a head coach is totally different than being a position coach and being an offense according to because you're truly working with that guy every single day, just like Daibu worked with me every single day. And he brings the best out of you. He knows how to motivate you. And I feel like Josh Allen was struggling his first couple years in Buffalo. And he just needed that guy to be around him to build up his confidence and to show him, you know, the ins and outs of the quarterback position.

And I truly believe that Daible was the guy that got Josh Allen over to hump to be the quarterback that he is now. And now Josh Allen, since he was coached on him, gave him all that confidence. Daibald doesn't need to be there anymore because now he has it and it's established into him. And it's in him now. So he can be that guy that Buffalo needs. He's the Buffalo Savior. They call him the Winter General, I think, over there. Because it's a good name.

It's cold. It's the Winter Soldier. The General Soldier, Winter Soldier, Winter General, all those names. They love Josh Allen. They don't call him JA 17, do they? Nah, they don't call him J.A. Come on. You can't do that. Winter Soldier is pretty cool, though.

Does he a bill for life? I think he's a bill for, he's a bill for life. If anything, if he's not, he'll go to like another team at end of his career. That's the only way that he would leave Buffalo. Like, you're talking like 10 years from now, like one or two years left. They draft the quarterback first round. They're grooming him for a little bit. And then Josh Allen leaves just to go try somewhere else out, like maybe California or something.

That's the only way these type of quarterbacks leave their franchise. It's just at end of their career. But Daibo did an excellent job with him. I feel like that's when he started thriving. Josh Allen always had that mentality to be great. He just needed a pulled out of him. And I believe, I mean, I wasn't there, but I believe Daible did because he was my coach

and he helped pull it out of me for years. So that's why I feel like I may be wrong, but I feel like I'm right in this situation. And Daible helped him out tremendously. Yeah. He reminds me, and his story reminds me a lot of Ben Rothlessberger. Ben went to Miami of Ohio and came into the league. Not a big name guy, but lit it up.

And he's just a faster, like Big Ben when he was young, was like manhandling guys. He was a large human being. And that's what I feel to a whole other level because Josh can jump over you and he's got a lot more speed. But Big Ben was like that and won two Super Bowl. So hopefully Josh Allen can, you know, get over this hump and do something.

You know, hopefully he, he can catch those demons in the back of his head about Patrick Mahomes because Patrick owns him. Patrick owns him in the postseason. But I mean, it doesn't, I wouldn't really say own because Josh Allen showed out for all those games as well. I mean, they both threw for over 300 yards in the 13 second game. Yeah, but the 13 second game wasn't on Josh Allen. Josh Allen went down and scored and gave him only 13 seconds left. That was on the Bill's defense.

McDermott? That was on the coach and staff there or whoever. was it wasn't on Josh Allen. He just went, were they winning at that time? Yeah, they were. Just a tie game. I think they were winning. They were winning.

And then the, and then it went in the overtime or something to kick the field goal. But whatever, the 13 seconds, I can't really recall everything that happened. Josh Allen absolutely balled out over 300 yards, three TD, zero interceptions. So Patrick Mahomes really doesn't own Josh Allen. It's more like Patrick Mahomes just owns the bills and the whole entire league still. quarterback you're the face of the team you win it's your it's your praise you lose it's your praise what kind of dude is josh allen what kind of dude is josh allen i mean this dude he he's kind of freaky i mean the way he hurt a stud a linebacker uh when he was playing the minnesota vikis can't be a

stud yeah yeah you're not a stud if you're in juko that's a good point you know you can kind of become a stud but you're not fully you're been a stud you kind of been a stud you're whole entire life your whole life you got stub sperm yeah he's freaky a little bit he's Definitely a dude's dude. Oh, he really is. When we were at Titan University, he was cool with everyone, man. Everyone that I talked to in Buffalo, I can tell you, every single person loves Josh Allen. Everyone that has ever interacted with him, anyone that's ever done a deal with him, he is beloved in Buffalo.

All right, on three, what do you think he is? One, two, three, freak. All right, next, who we got, Jules? We've already talked about him a little bit. One of the greatest running backs of all time played for. The other team that played on Thanksgiving, not America's team. It could be America's team now. It could be.

It could be America's team now. Yes. Up near Canada, it could be Canada's team. It could be America's upper states team. Yeah, Midwest, those type of states. Let's get on Barry Sanders. Yeah, let's go. Let's go.

Let's see what AI has to say about him. Barry Sanders at 5 foot 8 and weighing 200 pounds played as a running back for the Detroit Lions. Halen from Wichita, Kansas. Sanders burst onto the scene at Oklahoma State University, where he set multiple records and won the Heisman trophy in 1988. Drafted third overall in 1989, he became known for his electrifying, agility, elusive footwork, and explosive speed, making him one of the most thrilling players in the league's history. He surprised many by retiring at the age of 31 in 1999. Is it that big of a surprise? I mean, I retired when I was 29 years old.

Like, he was in his 30s, but he must have been that good still. It surprised everybody. I mean, to put in perspective, he won offensive player of the year 97. He retired two years later. Over his career, he amassed 15,269 rushing yards and 99 touchdowns, earning 10 Pro Bowl selections. The 1997 MVP award and a place in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Jesus. What is the first thing that you think of when you hear to name Barry Sanders, Jules?

My childhood. if you made a crazy like cut back play or you made someone juke out of you juke someone out of their jock or something it was just like you were doing a berry play like that's Barry Sanders made Detroit relevant and like only went to the playoffs like twice or three times in his career instantly think of the plays where like he has four guys draping on them and then he juke's like two guys and then a guy thinks he's down and thinks the plays over and he's still running on other side Barry Sanders was so electric. I think Barry Sanders would like he would be even crazier in this generation.

That's how good he was. What do you think of when you think about Barry Sanders? I think about Ford, Ford vehicles. I really do, man. And he was all the vehicles combined in one. I mean, that's actually not bad. Yeah, he was, he wasn't the size of an expedition, but he played like he was an expedition. He was like an explorer that had like a V8 engine. from one of the cars that they you know from the Ford Mustang yeah and he had like monster truck

tires like the big wheels like from a Ford Raptor F-150 so this guy basically could do it all out of the backfield I mean he could you know catch a ball obviously he could run he was so elusive he made guys fall face first you know it's so imagine that being a defender you're a professional defender as a lineback or a safety and you go to tackle somebody and you totally miss and fall directly your face. That's what Barry Sanders did to these folks, you know? I just want to, I want you to describe Barry Sanders as like a Ford model make color interior, exterior, interior, engine, like Barry Sanders. What color car is he? Barry Sanders would be the grayish color. Why gray? It's like a bullet, like a silver bullet. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, silver bullet, but like loved by everyone,

you know. Gray's loved by everyone. It really is. You can't hate on gray. What about what's the interior? The interior? It'd have to be something flashy. Why flashy? Because he was flashing on the field. So like a red leather? He was bling.

No, it would be, it wouldn't be red. It would be blue. A blue leather. A Detroit Lions color blue leather. Gray and blue. Do we got a sunroof? No sunroof. It's a coop.

Because we're dirty. We get down the business. We don't need a sunroof. V8? Is it like a Shelby G? And then we got Ford Raptor tires, but we also have, they're also on like 22-inch rims. So we can be, you know, we're on a little. over a folk when we need to and we can just make a fuck miss when we needed to.

Any race stripes? Just just one, just one solid one that goes across. What colors that race drive? That's black. What's the license plate number? 2020 because he has 2020 vision as well out on the football field. This joker did have great fucking vision. He probably had most elite vision in the history of the game.

I want to see this car. We're going to have to make this car up. Lion Prince. Lion Prince. Oklahoma. Oklahoma State mascot. What is that? The guns?

Yeah. Cowboys. Cowboy guns. This car's badass. And I'm not even a car guy. And I just built my first car ever. He spec. Yeah, $320,000 right there.

Could that car win the Daytona 500? 100%? It was winning the Daytona 500 year and year out. Every time? Every single time. But he didn't win a Super Bowl. What if he's just the fastest car on the block? But someone always...

You got me here. Then the Emmysmith car comes and they win the Super Bowl. Yeah, he never won a Super Bowl. So, oh, man, you're right. He's not winning the Daytona 500. He's getting second, third place every single time. Or he's probably crashing. Like, he's winning the race by like three laps.

He just had a bad, he had a, it wasn't him that lost the race. He had a bad, you know, when you go in for the pit stop, he had a bad crew around him. Every time it took like, how long does it take in a pit stop usually? And in NASCAR. I mean, we're talking standard, probably 38 seconds. Yeah, okay. Well, it took his team like a minute 20 every single time.

Minute 20? He just had a bad, you know. Back pit crew. Bad pick group, bad team around him. His measurables. This guy ran 4-3 or 44-inch vert. So you know Barry Sanders is dunking at 5-8 and 27 reps at the bench. One of the funniest quotes that I always think of what I think of Barry Sanders,

I watched a documentary with his dad. They asked him, Mr. Sanders, who do you think the best running backs of all the time? He goes, yeah, Jim Brown, myself, and then my son. He would never give his son the number two spot behind Jim Brown. That's crazy. His dad was so tough on him. I love it. So I knew about that, actually.

You told me that before we were going to talk about Barry Sanders. So what did I do? I went and called your dad. What he said? Frank Adelman. Frank Nuts. The Nut House Papa. Frank himself.

He ranked his top three slot receivers, number one. This is why I love Frank. And this is when you know he truly loves you, Jules, because you're number one. And I don't argue with that. I don't argue with that. You know, Frank's on top of his game. Number two, Wes Welker and number three, Dola. I don't know where he got Dola from at number three.

But you got to admit, he's loyal. He's loyal to his son and he's loyal to his son's friends. Mm-hmm. Oh, he also ranked his top three tight ends as well. Yeah, he ranked his top tight ends. Yeah. You know, he goes, number three, Mark Bavaro, monster. I would say Mark Bavaro from just stories I've heard from.

players that played against him that he was the strongest tight end ever in history. I've heard that too. Yes. Like he would take defensive as a linebackers and just lock him up right in the spot and not let him move. He was just that strong. His grip was through the roof, they said. And I'm talking like players that played against him were freaks of nature.

And they said Mike Bavar would dominate every single time. So what if you guys grabbed each other who would? Mike Bavar would win. I don't know. He's stronger than me, okay? I don't think so. And then number two on my dad's list was Kelsey, and then one, of course, was Gronk. And I love you, Frank Nuts.

You got a wonderful dad. Great dad. I like Adel Nutt House Papa, though. Edel Nutt House Papa. I like it. All right, what was Barry Sanders best turkey days? He had 10 games on Turkey Day. Seven and three record.

Mm-hmm. Winning record. Barry Sanders loved Thanksgiving. Second all time in Russian yards. Behind who. Behind him and Smith. Behind Emmett Smith. Behind Emmett Smith.

Smith. It's 210 carries on Thanksgiving Day for 931 yards. He just couldn't break that thousand yard mark on Thanksgiving. That's tough. He should have came back just for that record. Just for that. Just to say he had over 1,000 yards on Thanksgiving. We're talking about moments in his career, but him retiring at such a young age, and he was like, I think he was a season away from being the all-time leader at his retiring date. He was like, if he would have played that last season, he would have beat the record. And he just walked away. He didn't really care about the record. He just wanted to win. I think he got beat down from losing.

He doesn't say that in any of his documentaries or all the, you know, you watch his interviews. But, I mean, if you go out for a long time and you're dominating and you're losing every year, that's got to take a toll. It shows the kind of player he was. You know, he loved football as a game, not for an individual statistic. I mean, there's always stories of Jerry Jones two, three years later going to him and say, hey, man, you sure you don't want to come play for the Cowboys or something? I've heard that a couple times too.

As a player, you want to always tough it out. You never want to show that you're weak. The second you show that you're weak, you've kind of beat in the NFL. You've got to always have that standard set, that bar set that nothing's going to take you down. And the second that you let that go and you let things take you down, you're not going to be able to perform. You're going to get outworked. You're going to get ran over. The other guy is going to beat the crap out of you.

So that mindset always has to be there. And if you get beat down, even though you look like the best player on the field, it's going to come back and haunt you in the end. I've been through that situation before. I bet you've been through it at end of your career as well, where you just kept taking beatings, injuries. You're trying to play through a knee, a forearm, whatever it is. And then finally you're like, man, I can't take this no more.

And I feel like that's kind of what happened to Barry Sanders. I mean, yeah, he was the greatest of all time, one of them. He looked unbelievable out there on the field, but he was always losing, always taking a. beating. You just don't know what these NFL guys are going through at all times. You really don't. He still hasn't let anyone know why he retired. Like he kind of has. I mean, he was 1,400 yards away from the all-time rushing record that Emmett Smith went to then beat three or four years later, a couple years later. He did talk about it a little bit when he retired that the passion

wasn't there for him anymore. If you don't have that passion, which can attribute to just always getting beat down, not winning, there's no reason to be out there on the football field. It's not good for the fans, it's not good for yourself, it's not good for the organization. He's just kind of basically said there was nothing left to really play for. And he didn't really see the Detroit Lions being a Super Bowl contender either. Yeah. And if they were, if the Lions were truly going to be a Super Bowl contender, I feel like that would have gave him the passion, the influence that he needed to go back out there. And because that's all he truly doesn't have is a Super Bowl ring. Yeah, do you remember when the passion left for you? I do. I mean, I was beat down. It was my last year. I mean, we won

the Super Bowl when I was on the New England Patriots when we beat the Rams. And I went into the playoffs knowing that I was going to retire, dude. I mean, this is the year, the pounding on my body, all the injuries were flaring up. I was running slow, especially the passion definitely decreases for the game of football when you start losing your skill set. Yeah. Because it's not as fun anymore when you can't just run by someone or just throw someone around.

It's not fun when you're the one getting thrown around. And the guy's on you like white on rice when you're trying to run. a route. So it was like that year, but I was just putting the team first and I knew, you know, I could come through in the times that I needed to come through for the team. And we ended up winning to the Super Bowl, so it couldn't have worked out any better. But winning that Super Bowl, it was just kind of a relief that the game was over. Yeah. But I got that passion back when I took a year off.

And then it kind of started fading away again, you know, my second year in Tampa. You know, that's when I knew that it was probably, you know, time to hang it up again. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's kind of how mine went down as well. When I was in practice and guys that I should be dominating were coming close to covering me. I was like, yeah. It's, I have to work way too hard and it hurts way too much. Yep.

You're not, you're not doing it. We weren't winning at that time. It sucks. So I could, you know, it's hard to be in pain while you're losing and have to go perform. That's why I'm thankful for all the good times when we're in our meeting. at 20s, Jules. Yeah. Like when everything was just always feeling like,

like just always feeling good. Yeah, you're just activated from head to toe. Just your running form was just always on point. It was like it was easy. You were just felt like you were going through the motions, even though you were going full speed and running by people, man. Those were the days. Thankful for those days as a player.

Just young, dumb and full of comes. Yes, yes. The best, the best days for sure. You wake up and you can sprint 30 hundreds and. Without even warming up. Without even warming up. Mm-hmm. He'll bop someone in their one-on-ones, take it to team,

come lay the wood on force down in the box, safety. What about Barry Sanders in college, too, man? He was one of the best college football players to ever live as well. Dude, he was fucking unreal. He won the Heismid. Most Russian yards in his season, over 2,600 yards, I mean. And his dad hated Oklahoma State because he was an Oklahoma Sooner's fan. I'm so infatuated with that story.

That's why he'll never put his son in front of him as a running back in the NFL. I bet it's crazy. But I think that's what drove Barry. You know, he wanted his dad's satisfaction. Maybe his dad knew that. Dad's always know us the best. The greatest fine fuel in the tedious things, man. The tedious things?

What's that word I'm looking for? Tidious. The tedious. The tedious. But I like tedious things. You know, I just like what I said. That's why. was on my mind. I like not going to say the word, you know, the first part of it only because

tedious. We're appropriate show, but tit. Tidious is always on my mind for some reason. Tidious, though, is what the word I was really going for. Tidious. Tidious. So the greatest do find, you know, that motivation. For example, say if you just said something that I didn't like in the locker room that day, and I would just go out in the field and I would be like, F this guy, Jules. I, I'm going to make sure I'm open every single freaking play so he doesn't get a pass. So I can go back in the locker room and be like, great day today. You had jewels. You had zero catches.

I had 10. Just because you said something that was effed up to me in the morning that that's what I'm talking about. Just finding those tedious moments makes people great. Just finding that motivation for absolutely no reason that shouldn't even be motivation just so you can go out there and just drive yourself to another level. It's like coach saying something to you three days ago in a meeting that you don't like and you're going to go out there and prove the one that he was wrong. Barry, Barry Sanders was tedious.

Yes, he was. Hopefully we think he was. I never met Barry before. I never talked to him about this, but we're going, I mean, he's the greatest of all time. He had to find motivation somehow every, every single time. One of the great showdowns on Monday night football that I still remember was the Barry versus Emmett game. We haven't done it on games and names.

need to do it on games or names, but it was week four in the 94 season, Monday night football, Cowboys hosted the Lions, and Detroit went up into Cowboy Land, Jerry World, old Jerry World at that time, and won 2017 in overtime. Emmett, what a fucking duel. Listen to these stat lines between the two best running backs in the league in the primes of their career. Emmett Smith, 29 carries, 143 yards in a tug. Barry had to out duel him with 40 carries. 194 yards and one touchdown, epic battle between these freaking running backs.

That was like a playoff game intensity. The closest you could get to playoff intensity, and it was because it was Emmett Smith versus fucking Barry Sanders. It was such a crazy match. You remember that game? Mm-hmm. They were just... I know.

I remember that game a little bit, because I was... A little bit older than me. This was in 94. This was my first year of football. Yeah, I don't remember. This was my first... I was five years old. I was eight years old.

Like, what? made the Detroit Lions like not good during that era because they had Barry Sanders. What made them not good? Bad offensive line, bad coaching. I like more too. Not a good defense at all. Did they have more? What was it? Herman Moore. What was the reason why they weren't good, Jules? You need a quarterback. No quarterback? No quarterback. And they went through a lot of coaches, I think. And they got through a lot of coaches. I don't know. He deserved better. He deserved. I mean, he deserved better. He's one the one guys that deserve better. We're thankful for Barry.

100%. Everyone's thankful for Barry. Fucking Thanksgiving episode. He truly deserved better. So who's on the Mount Rushmore running back? Four, four running backs, top four of all time. Oh, man. I mean, you got to put those two in that category.

Jim Brown's got to be in there. Jim Brown, then I'm going to go with Adrian Peterson as my fourth. What about Walter Payton? I know, but. He's a little before your time. He is before my time. Yes. I don't really know too much about Walter Payton.

And Marchon Lynch is out there. Marchon Lynch. I mean, but is he great all the time? No, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not on Mount Rushmore. Now Mount Rushmore. He's one of the greatest known running backs of all time. I always remember the best personalities of all time too. Do you remember Bill always talking about Jim Brown and how like dominant he was?

If we'd be talking, he'd hear us talking in the locker about something. He goes, well, you guys didn't see Jim Brown. He was fucking dominant. Like, he was just a man child. All old timers love Jim Brown. Like that's their guy. We didn't get to watch him in the flesh. So, like, you don't get to appreciate him.

But you got to put him on there. I think Barry's on there. Tomlinson. LT. LT. I mean, it's hard to do a Mount Rushmore of running back. Marshall Falk. Oh, man.

Marshall Falk was so good. I'm going to go this. My Mount Rushmore. I'm going to go Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Marshall Falk. Marshall Falk being

the fourth because he's like the tweener, the new generation running back where this guy could catch 100 fucking balls and rush for a thousand yards in the same season, which I think he did. There was Bo Jackson, Thurmond Thomas. He didn't have enough. Thurman Thomas was a monster.

Burrell Campbell. Eric Dickerson, Slate would be mad at us. Slate's dad blocked for him. Galsayers. He didn't have a long career, though. There's so many. Man, it's tough to do a Mount Rushmore. Oh yeah.

Barry was behind. Thurman Thomas at Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had some running backs. How about that running back room in college? Thurman Thomas, fucking Barry Sanders. They win the Natty that year? How you not win the national championship with those two guys? The saddest stat of Barry's career, though, is that he only played in six playoff games. It is sad.

That's crazy. Everyone loves Barry Sanders. Everyone wanted to see his career just keep on going. Ten minutes. What kind of dude is Barry Sanders? Freak. No one is ever like you, when you watch a move, no one's ever moved like Barry Sanders. Just so elusive.

It's like a slinky out there. He's like a little slinky down the stairs just boom, boom. And the slinky is just turning and flipping which way and direction. Always on. Always on. And then always lands right back on, you know, in position right on its feet at the bottom of the stairs. That's Barry Sanders for you. I mean, that's some freaky ability right there.

I bet you he was a crazy positive dude, dude's dude. I'm sure he was. In the locker room, I bet you was super, he was probably like sweet feet. Super quiet, James White, quiet, just professional. But he's also a fucking dog where he didn't have, I mean, he didn't have an offensive line for like half his career and he still had the numbers he had. On three, you state yours. One, two, three.

Dog. He's a freak, man. Got to go freak. You got to go freak. His physical ability of just being able to bend the way he bends and just a vision that he has one-on-one instinct. He was not getting tackled. People were falling headfirst into the ground, like I said earlier.

You just never seen it. He was making people look silly. Like, they didn't belong out there. It was like Pop Warner when the guy is just that much better than everyone else and just running around the field. And they could be all 11 guys in the field in front of him and he can make all 11 missed. That's freaky instincts right there. But when you see Barry Sanders in clothes, or do you look at him like, man, that guy's

freak? No, you don't. but we're categorizing freak in that way only then, is as if how you see someone. He is a one of one. Exactly. One of ones are freaks. He was just a freak at a lower level of physical stature.

He reminds me a little race cars on the electric tracks where he could just start, stop, start, stop, hell of fast. All right, Stanford, he's a freak. He's a freak. Let's go. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This dude standing at six foot and weighing 234 pounds is a dynamic running back drafted as the second overall pick in 2018. Oh, I know. To a team that almost ruined his career and that he was smart enough to leave

and that team was dumb enough to let him leave. Is that an AI? It says it. No, it doesn't. It says it. Oh, wow. That was not me. You cannot blame that on me.

It's what AI is saying. Geez, AI knows everything. They do. He quickly established himself as a dynamic player known for his explosive speed and versatility, amassing over 2,000 yards from scrimmage in his rookie season and winning offensive rookie of the year. Throughout his six-year career, he has earned three Pro Bowls.

born in the Bronx. He mainly grew up in Pennsylvania, playing high school football there and then committing to Penn State, where he was a two-time Big Ten offensive player of the year and was fourth in the highest men voting in 2017. He considers himself the goat

of Connect Ford. Oh. Of Connect Four. With Christian McCaffrey being the only person who has beaten him. Connect Four. Let's get into Quadzilla

Say quad Barclay Saquad Barclay Say quad Barclay Say quad Well that's the first thing I think of Is it's quads It's how big and beastly

And filling they are And just Just how massive And just explosive those quads are And how he can stop on anyone And probably kill him if If he did If he was in WWE

Hold on where's my hat using WWE they probably wouldn't allow him because you know those leg drops they do? He would do the sock quad Barkley leg drop and it would be called the sock quad boom and he would drop his quad and boom the wrestler would be dead right on the spot. Yeah I...

What's the first thing you think of, Jules? The first thing I think of is, man, I can't believe I'm putting on a Philadelphia hat when it's sacred to and Berkeley. You're right. Hold on. I can't put the Philly hat on. I can't. I did really quick and then it bounced off my head.

Woo! I mean, whatever. No. But the thing is, you always thought he would be a giant for the rest of his life. And boy, was that one giant loss. To lose Sequod Barkley. I mean, and to see him go out and do what he's doing this year

with a really good football team, I mean, this is what you want for a guy like Seyquan Barkley because he's just a good-ass dude. I mean, you look in the last game of the year or in the playoffs, the four-minute situation, and breaks a big run, stops down. The whole team's like, why didn't you score? And he's over here as long as we win.

Like, that's the kind of guy, Seyquan is. I've had some team player. I've got to hang out with them at a whole bunch of cool things. That actually makes it even more surprising and more hurtful to the Giants fan base that he was such a team player as well. And they still let him go. Still let him go. I mean, who's calling the shots over there?

I think I really don't want to blame Dable because I love Dable and is like one of my favorite coaches of all time. But like he's the head coach, but like the head coach doesn't call the shots about who comes in and out as the players. I think you got to put it on the GM, correct? And kind of the owner as well, because the owner said he's going to not be able to sleep at night if Sequan Barkley goes to the Philadelphia Eagles. And then he goes to the Philadelphia Eagles.

Well, so you could have easily stepped in and offered about two, three million dollars more just to keep, you know, Sequan Barkley. the New York Giants. So let me tell you for a second, this is, this is my problem. He left because there was an argument over like $500,000 or a million dollars. A million bucks. A million bucks. What, 12, what is he getting paid? 12 million dollars? Or whatever, 13 million dollars, whatever it is. And the Giants offered him one less million dollars. Well, I can tell you this, he's still underpaid by at least $10 million. He is. And there was an argument about not paying him because of a million. million dollars with the Giants organization.

You got to really put it into perspective. Just think about that. Yeah. He's literally catapulted this Philadelphia team. He's that good of a football player. He's had that. He had a magical year. He went over 2,000 yards,

regardless of how many games, whatever, to go out there and put that performance on that he did this year coming from the rival team. This is like a, it's like a Disney movie if they go and win the Super Bowl. If they win the Super Bowl, I think Disney's probably gonna, there's a court Warner movie.

So Disney will make a freaking this movie I feel. Yeah. And it just shows, movie, it's a movie. It shows how great of a player he really was because when he was with the Giants, he really had absolutely zero help. He had no line. There really wasn't any skill players around him.

He had no really, no quarterback. And he still bald. He hurt his knee and then he came back and took him a year to get right. And then he had a really good year last year. Like still bald. I'm talking. ball and now that it just shows if you really want to thrive if you really want to have the best year ever it does take a team effort but you just got to find that situation he found that

situation in philly and now his talents are even thriving to a whole other level because he has such a beastly line in front of him and he's got great coaching around him he's got great players as well at the skill at the skill position around him that's why he went for over 2,000 yards you know this season and just a regular season he's just a phenomenal athlete that should be is one of the athletes that you only see once per decade, once per every, you know, 20 years, generational player, big time. Yeah. You ever, uh, you ever hang out with him?

I never hung out with Saquan Barkley. I never have. I kind of want to, I just really want to see his quads in person. Bro. I just want to look. I hope he has like short shorts on like he's in the 80s so I can just stare at him. I went to the, I went to the, I went to the Met Gala. Mm-hmm.

And we, we ended up, it was me, him, and open. B. J. We were all hanging out because we were, you know, the athletes there and we had a great time. But I saw he was wearing a skirt. I would too if I had those quads in that. I was like, holy shit. I had nightmares. His quads were so goddamn big. And I saw the whole thing in like a skirt. A kilt. A kilt. Regardless. It was like it looked like a skirt. But it was crazy. We had such a fun time. He's an awesome dude. And that's why I love seeing him. this success. I remember we went, we got, we were, we were having some adult beverages. And me and Odell, we've been in a league for a while by that time. And we, we want to want to go

to McDonald's real quick. And he was like such a young kid like, hey, man, I don't eat McDonald's. You guys eat McDonald's? I was like, dude. He's one of those guys, just McDonald's to the face and just he wouldn't know. He didn't want it. Oh, oh, all right. He didn't want me. He didn't want it. All right. All right. He was disciplined. That's what makes them great. Discipline. Discipline makes you great. Cheebergs. And also what makes you great is just the way that he plays a game. He's powerful.

He has great pad level as well. It's like he's like the perfect running back because like he's got size. He's not like his skin. He's thick, but he's also really shifting. You know how hard that is to find a running back like that thick and shifty? I mean, he's got great downfield vision as well. And as you can see this year, I mean, right when he breaks through the hole, he already knows he's going to the house.

You could just tell because of that vision. He can see the whole entire field. The cut back lanes that he creates, you know, are impressive. I mean, he's just an overall all around great running back first, second, third down as well. Great work ethic, like you said, kind of, you just know he is great work ethic by the workouts that you see that are on the internet. Also the discipline, not eating McDonald's at 2 a.m. Even being tipsy and even what influences like you to try to get him to eat McDonald's, I would have fell for it in a quick second. Not even a nugget.

Not even a Mick Flurry. You kidding me? how can you not even have a spoonful of a McFlurry at 2am? But what's most impressive about him and what really, you know, gets this offense to a whole nother level for the Philadelphia Eagles is his big play ability.

When you got big playability players on your team, that's why you're in championship games. Yeah, and he's got, he'll be remembered, he'll be remembered for as long as football is going because we all see these historic plays and these historical shots. him doing a back reverse

freaking lunge hurdle back reverse hurdle lunge thing over another human being that's a tall guy that's going to be remembered and it's going to be played forever like just like when we see the immaculate reception

with Franco Harris or you know one of the crazy hits by freaking the Odell Beckham catch you know all these crazy that's going to be remembered forever

and you want to know it's crazy he's like you play Madden like it's a video game like it's like exaggerated how talented these players. No not for not for Sequin. Exactly. And like these moves that sometimes you can do when you hit all the buttons like the guy does a move

that you never seen before and you're like, ah, that's unrealistic. Sequan Barclay did such an unrealistic hurdle 360 180 jump and landed it that Madden didn't even have that in the game and that Madden had to add that play add that move or whatever it's called. What is that called that?

That's just athleticism. That athleticism or that button. So now you can be able to use that and hurdle over someone while 3-6ing in the air on Madden. I mean, I hope so. I think Madden added it. They should just call it the button mash where you just mash all the buttons and it does a Saquan Barkley backflip jump thing over a hurdle. There we go.

He's a button masher. Button masher and mashers defenders as well. Now, what do you think about? what do you think about him sitting for Eric Dickerson's record? He needed what a hundred and something? I think it just shows what you were talking about earlier, just how big of a team player he was. He was looking at the big pitcher and that's Super Bowl.

Yeah, he could have gotten the record, but what if he just got hurt getting the record and then he wasn't there throughout the playoffs and look at the damage he already did in the playoffs? The reason why they won that game versus Los Angeles Rams was because he was playing in the game and he rushed for two touchdowns, both of them over 50 yards.

And I think he went for like a hundred, almost over 200 yards as well, rushing. So it just shows what type of team player he is and just overall, just the goal and mindset of winning it all. And that's what it's all about. This is only good if they win the Super Bowl. It is. If they don't win the Super Bowl, this is a.

But this is crazy. I agree. But he can also break the all-time record, including playoffs and regular season, which I think he will break that. I think he's about a hundred, 100-something yards away. What kind of dude is Seyquod, Berkeley?

Oh. What kind of dude? Oh, man. I mean, grew up. What kind of dude is he? He grew up around like... Grew up in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania.

Great football there. Great football. You know that. Great hope. You know, born in the Bronx. So, tough. New York. Tough.

I think he went to Penn State. I think he has a lot of boxing in his background as well. A lot of boxing in his background. From what I recall reading... He's definitely got... He's a dog. Mm-hmm. He is a dog, but he kind of is a freak as well.

Because, like you said, when he was wearing that kilt, you were like, whoa. Like that's what we talk about. When you see a freak, it's because of their physical nature. He's definitely a stud. And you were like, that's some physical nature that blew your mind. It was, it was mind blowing. It was kind of like the first time when I saw Dante Hightower's calves. Oh, freaky.

You got some big ass cat. Imagine if you combine, if you combine, if you, made one leg and you had Dante Hightower's calves and Saquan Barkley's quad. You would get like someone, I think that person... It would be like the Hawk actually. I think that person could do...

He could do a tug of war with a fucking like whatever the best super diesel truck there is. He can probably with that leg... An F-350. Definitely. Actually, screw it. An 18-wheeler. You could probably take down an 18-wheeler.

He's definitely a dude as well, Because of how big of a team player he is. The team player, I mean, to go and be the most hated guy for a team and then join that team and then become such a big leader that it's apparent. And be beloved. You know, we are all looking at a whole locker room and fan base. But I'm, that that story that you told me about when he was in the kill that's just sticking to my head. So I know what I'm going with. One, two, three, freak.

Yeah, man. You see those legs. person of 230 pounds is not supposed to do jump flips back hurdles over men that are trying to kill you. Only when you got quads like that, though, dudes. Quadzilla. University of Alabama. Another Alabama. Road tide, crimson tide.

Currently plays for the Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore freaking Ravens. Is currently in talks of winning the MVP. Probably offensive player of the year. They don't give that to running backs. is currently going to be on the best rushing team statistically, right? Statistically.

In NFL history with Lamar Jackson. Are they on pace? They got to be on pace. Derek freaking. Number 22. Henry. The Baltimore Ravens. Let's get to the synopsis.

A.I. Derek Henry, standing at 6'4 3 inches and weighing 247 pounds is a dominant NFL running back. renowned for his rare combination of size, speed, and power, making him one of the most feared rushers in the league. He has amassed over 10,000 rushing yards and 98 touchdowns in his career, earning multiple Pro Bowl selections and the 2020 NFL Offensive Player of the Year Award. In high school, Derek set the national record for career rushing yards

when astonishing 12,12,1224 yards at U. U. Lee High School in Florida averaging 250 yards per game. See, I've got to read really fast because he has so many stats, I want to make sure we get through it. At the University of Alabama, Henry won the Heisman Trophy and set both the single season and career rushing records. I mean, this guy breaks every record at whatever level he's at. I wonder what the Pop Warner stats were. Jesus.

We can't get there because it's just, we'll take way too long. AI's got it all, though. Yeah, while he spent most of his career with the Tennessee Titans setting the single season rushing records, record with 2027 yards in 2020. He is currently, he beat Chris Johnson 2K with that number right there. Jesus. He is currently setting impressive records with the Baltimore Ravens, including the team's franchise record, and most Russian touchdowns in a single season already,

and it's only like not even halfway through, you know, this season. Henry is celebrated for his work ethic and humble personality off the field, where he is involved in charity work and is regarded as a role model. Start that clock. Start the clock. First off, I want to get to this right off the point. His nickname is King Henry. There's a guy in basketball that we all know him as is King James.

Who is the ultimate king, Jules? King Henry or King James. Let's hear your thoughts. King Henry or King James? LeBron is a generational guy, but if you talk about King Henry, he's a generational guy. This guy, 247 pounds running away from people.

That is such a hard question. I didn't even know you're going to ask me that. I'm going, I'm a football guy. I got to go King Henry. It sounds better. Is there, was there a King James back in the day? It's probably King James back in the day, isn't it? Is that why it's King?

I just put that together. They both have kind of kingy names. They got both kingy names for them. I like King Henry. I'm going King Henry. Just on name because it sounds, but there's a King James back there. I'm going with Derek Henry. All right.

I like that pick. And what's incredible about, you know, Derek Henry is, you know, you said that size is just impressive and how he can move, what, 247 pounds. But I swear, he looks huge. He looks massive. He's 247, but I swear he plays and looks bigger than he even is. 100%. It's like he's 6.3, 247.

It's like, no, no, no. He's like 6.6, 280 running the ball. That's what it looks like. I remember when we played against him, I walked by him after the game. Like, who the fuck is his defensive end? Oh, my God. That's Henry? That's Jesus.

He's so big. I wouldn't want to tackle him No one wants to tackle him I mean screw at the end of the game I'm not tackling him in the beginning of the game Might get a concussion getting one of the knee drives He looks like a goddamn semi truck that's on Fucking Noss

He is a semi truck On Noss Yes That's race fuel That's what he is he's a semi truck Like when he sees that hole open Like he hits that button He presses NOS

Fing Fierious. Go baby, go. And then he just flies right through the hole. I think he was what? So far, he clicked in as the second fastest player as a ball carrier in the NFL this year. Recorded. Recorded. Second fastest player.

I mean, freaking ridiculous being that size. What I love about him too, man, he's a true role model, man. He never gets in trouble. Never. Never on the field. Never off the field. Is he in trouble? He doesn't smoke.

He doesn't drink. He eats completely. clean. He's basically on the Tom Brady diet. I think he's a vegan. I think he's vegan. He might be vegan. I'm not, I'm not sure about that. He could possibly could be. I mean, no gluten, you know, he cuts the sugar down. It's all real sugar and fruits and all that good stuff. He takes care of his body, does the cryotanks, sonas. He actually goes to the same treatment guy that I see as well. My friend Bobo, who's out of Nashville, he gets those vitamin bags and hydration bags to make sure that he's always good to go, you know, on top of his games. He's always burning fuel, so he's got to always make sure

the vitamins and fuel are always coming in. He's just doing everything right. And that's what I love about him. He's a great example to the young generation. Have you seen his offseason workouts on YouTube? Yeah, and I've actually worked out with him before. One time in Dallas, Texas. Yes, let me tell you, man, this guy don't get tired. He don't get tired. What'd you guys do for a workout? And like, I was with my brother, my two brothers, and like we were just looking at his arms. And like, His arm was bigger than all three of our arms combined. That's why I don't understand how he doesn't weigh like 280 pounds. Like I weigh 260 and he's 12 pounds less than me and I'm like,

but your arms are three times the size of mine. Like I don't like I think he's tricking everyone. I think he really is 280. But you know in Pop Warner when they don't let you play because you're overweight. Yeah. And weigh in. I don't think the NFL would let him play if he weighs in at 280 at the running back position. So I think he literally is 280 because he's that big.

But they just list him as 247, so he's actually qualified to play in the other south. Dude. Yeah. So you're working out with what year was this? This was, I think last year, a year and a half ago. Two years ago. The first thing you look at you say, damn, his arm's so big. And you're Rob Grunkowski.

It's the first thing I said. I was memorized. And what's another thing about him too? Like he's having this career year with the Baltimore Ravens. It looks like he hasn't aged. Yeah, he hasn't aged. because like I said, he does everything right. And when you do everything right and take care of your body like that,

you don't age. He hasn't lost a step and he's just getting faster and faster, bigger and bigger. He has that motivation still. Like he's 30 years old as a running back. He's taking so many shots to the body. And I feel like, I just feel it. Like he has a chip because, like, I feel like the Tennessee Titans, you know, kind of didn't give him that respect that he deserved last year, you know?

Like, they were like, oh, we got to change up our offense. All we do is give the ball to Derek Henry. Like they let Derek Henry walk, one of their best generational, generational talents on the offense side of the ball in the history of the Titans. And they let them walk that easily. That kind of shows a little disrespect. I mean, it might have not been disrespect,

but it just shows like they didn't really trust in him or thought his career was going down. So I think he's on a rampage to show the Titans. Hey, look what you're missing out on. You thought, oh, we got to switch up the offense because we're handing me the ball too much. Well, that's all the Tennessee Titans had was handing the ball to him. Well, it's not just the Tennessee Titans that are part of his fuel. Everyone else could have signed him.

Everyone else could assign him too. They all thought he was done. Dallas Cowboys need a running back. They could assign him. Oh, man, we don't even got to get into that. I mean, I'm spending the news for the last month with Jerry Johns. But this is, you know, this is some like Tom Brady type stuff. know, because at 31 at a running back, he's doing things that don't, that's not normal.

This is not normal. And that's why this is so freaky. He doesn't eat sugars. He doesn't do it. He takes care of his body. He doesn't eat any fried foods. He works out like crazy. The only thing he fries is defenses.

He fries defenses. Well, when you were talking about chips, I was like, man, you know, he's a big chip on his shoulder. He probably doesn't have any chips. He probably doesn't. I was thinking that because those are fried. Oh, man. He's not, he's not falling in into our.

Tostitos commercials. No. He sees the commercials like, oh, those are good commercials, Jules and Grank, but I ain't eating those. No, he won't eat those. He didn't need to do that. Maybe kale chips.

Yeah, he probably does kale. He does some kale chips. 247 pounds. 99-yard touchdown. That is, that's crazy. I remember watching that play. And what everyone always says with Derek Henry, when you're playing against him,

I remember Bill always talking about it. You cannot let this man get going. Keep his feet moving. You got to have pressure in the middle of pocket. If you let the train go, You ain't getting on it. And that's exactly what that 99-yard touchdown was, where he stiffed-armed the dude, still gets to speed, gives a little backwards stiff arm, still gets to high speed.

It's something like you said, you marvel at when you see a person that does things that have never been done before like that. It's kind of like myself a little bit, and that's why I love the way he plays. I mean, I love all big men out there, whatever position. Do you love big men, too? Yeah, I love big men. It's dudes on dudes here. Of course, I love big men.

I like big guys. Yeah, big sweaty men as well. And guys sweating because he's always running for 200 plus yards every single game. Every game. He's on pace for like damn. He's on pace to beat the record this year. He has some of the greatest stiff arms in the game. You do too.

You're stiff arm. I had a couple, but not as many as Derek County because he has touched the ball like a hundred thousand more times than myself. And he's still going. That's crazy. And he's still going. It's like, you know, he's 21 years. old out there. The amount of times he's touched a ball and he hasn't had

like knock on wood. He just has, he can last. Where does he rank in all time running backs? Oh, man. He's got to be up there. He's got a 2,000 yard season. He's got to be up there. The reason why he doesn't maybe get the respect

that he should of being like an all time great running back is because he's not a traditional running back like those other greats. They're all more like pity pattern, make five guys miss, and then shoot up. Jim Brown wasn't. He's kind of Jim Brownie. Yeah, but he's just so...

Jim Brown was so much bigger and athletic than everyone. He used to swat those guys around. Derek Honey's games a little bit different. When he sees that hole, he just hits that Noss, like you said, and just goes right through it and runs over everyone. No one. In his way. It's just incredible how he can do that.

Who is he like a Dickerson? Dickerson in a way? Dickerson in a way. High knees, straight up a little bit. I think he could possibly end up being one of the greatest. top three greatest running backs to ever play. All time. All time.

Because if he continues this path for another four or five more years, which he has not shown any decline. Any decline at all, any at all. He hasn't slowed down one single bit. He only gets better. And he's a different style of a running back. And he's going against littler defenses right now. Yes, he is.

His defenses are all built up for the past, a bunch of receivers. I love his game because he's a big man. I love big men, man's. Yeah. Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Emmett Smith, Adrian Peterson, Derek Henry. I mean, he's this generation is great right now. Why not?

He's our generation's great. The last great running back after this. McCoy's in there, Shady's in there. But like, I'm talking generational. If he wins a championship, he's up there. If he wins a Super Bowl this year. If he wins a Super Bowl. I mean, it's so crazy that on this episode, we've talked about Madden characters.

Like, you have your two, like, complete opposite Madden characters. You have, like, when you make the funny little guy on your Madden, that's, like, 99 everything, and then you get your, like, your funny big guy, it's like six foot four running back, like Derek Henry that can outrun people. It's crazy. These guys, he's a freak. You don't see guys that big, run that fast, and take that much pounding and get up and do it over. and over and over. And I feel like we see a 50 plus run every year, every like three times a year

with this guy. 50 plus run. Wait, three times a year. More like every other week he has a 50 plus year. Is it not crazy? Yeah, it's crazy. He's got a huge chest as well. Like, like his irons are massive, but like I swear his chest, it looks like the rock. You know, when the rock has a shirt off and the chest goes like, boom. Like, it's that massive. He's jacked. He looks. He looks. exact same as he did, you know, in high school. He has the same frame, but like every year he just got bigger and wider and wider. Like he looked like he was six to three already in high school and just can run all day. But he's just growing and growing and growing and growing every single year.

Vernon Davis, he was saying like, he was like that as a kid and he kept on getting bigger and bigger and his speed never got slower and slower. Like that's like anomaly shit. I mean, he could be the. greatest running back in high school's history. Freshman year, 2,400 yards, 26 TDs. Sophomore year, 2,700 yards, 38 TDs, a little dip in the junior air with 2,600 yards and freaking 34 T's. Just to top it off, a senior year, let me just put the cherry on the old top. Let's go 4,200 yards and 55. What though? Who is he playing? Who is he playing 55 TDs? Because I ain't touch.

High school in Florida. They got some legit. They got legit. They do. Do they have record? I didn't know they put things on records in high school. That is fucking crazy. 12,000 yards in four years.

This guy's been a freak since high school. 150 touchdowns in four years. Do the math. He's a Hall of Famer at the high school lover. Hall of famer at the college level. And a Hall of Famer at the NFL level. First ballot. without a doubt.

It's crazy. Time. What kind of dude is Derek Henry? He's a freak. I don't even got to negotiate this. I mean, he's a freak. He's a dog. He is a dog. He's a freak.

But he's an absolute freak of nature. Heck of a player. No one can tackle him. The guy was born to run. Let's get on Michael Strayhan. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's do it. Michael Strayhan. Let's see what the synopsis is about Michael.

No, Michael Strayhan. German episode. Why is he there? Why is Michael Strayhan on the German episode? Why? I'm still confused. What's the A.I have to say about it? Let's start the clock.

Let's see how smart AI is why he is on this episode. I don't think AI would even know. I don't know. Why would he? All right. Michael Strayhan was a dominant defense event for the New York Giants, known for his impressive career stats, including 141.5 sacks and seven Pro Bowl selections.

Holy moly. a hundred and forty one and a half sacks. Oh, nine! Well, born in Houston, Texas, he spent a significant part of his childhood in Germany due to his father's military service.

There you go. That explains it right there. AI is smart. AI does have the answers. AI smart. After retiring from football, Strahan transitioned after retiring for football, Strayhand transition to a successful media career,

becoming a co-host on Good Morning America and an analyst on Fox NFL Sunday. I mean, he replaced Regis. Off the field, he's known for his charismatic personality and dedication to his family. AI is full of shit. Why would you say that? Didn't mention one thing about his gap.

Oh, yeah, you're right. His teeth. He's like, he's like known world. That gap has literally been in space. Man, Michael's Strayhand. cool. I mean, he really has been a freaking inspiration for athletes post-care post-like football career. Well, oh, hold on. I'm going to stop you right there. He's been an inspiration since the beginning of time, man, with what he's been through, growing up,

all the way through his college days, then getting to the NFL and fighting all odds, and then having that post-career inspiration. What is? He's an Army, They call it, right, when his dad was in the Army, he lived in Germany. I guess his uncle played in the NFL, Art Strait. And I think he lived with Uncle. So he popped him from Germany.

Then he went to Texas Southern. Texas Southern. Didn't play any high school. He played high school. I mean, it's literally the story of Fresh Prince. Listen to this. Except Philadelphia and Germany. The high school he went to, two people.

What do you mean? Two people. There's two people in his high school, in his class. How do you have two people in Germany? Did you go to high school in Germany? No, he went to the high school in Texas somewhere. I just know the continued joke, week in and week out, with Jay Glazer and Michael Shahan,

is that Michael finished in top of his class. Because there's only two people. Even I could finish in top of my class when there's just two people. That's what you call a Valid Victorian. If we were in a class of two, who would finish first. Depends what subject. We're talking about math. Oh, I'm number one there.

Reading. Number one. I can read. I just can't project that. Cooking class. Oh, I'm a cooker. I'm a cooker. I used to sing growing up.

I'm a cooker. And I had no clue of what I was really saying. And my brothers would be laughing at me, but I was like eight years old. I remember I'm cooking. I'm hooking. And they all know what. What were you cooking at eight years old? Eggs.

Eggs, just breakfast sandwiches. Stuff like that. Very easy. You think Michael Strehend would eat your eggs? He would eat my eggs. Yes, he would. And then he would eat me on the field because he was a beast. He was an absolute monster.

When you put on his film, you forget how big he is because he's leaned out so much now. And, like, he was, like, freakishly big. I mean, he had 22 and a half sacks in the season. That's a sack record holder, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Brett Far from Brett fell down. But I mean, regardless, that's what

quarterbacks do all the time now. You know what I mean? So everyone gives him crap on it. I mean, he was going to get to tackle regardless. His power, his speed to power move was insane. He was just so strong and long. And you could tell he worked his dick off.

To end the career the way he did, beat the Patriots, undefeated season in the Super Bowl, New York, Boston, then jump over and instantly sit on like Regis and Kelly. I mean, the guy has lived just a storybook, storybook type life. And he's overcome shit too.

Yes, he has overcome stuff. I mean, obviously not really playing football in high school. I don't know where he played at. And then I think some other high school around there just took him in, like, oh, you're in our district. It's like a story like that. I'm not exactly 100% sure. And then he went, whatever college he went to.

Texas Southern. I don't even think he, like, really. enrolled. It was like, hey, come play football here. And he just showed up and he was on the team. Like that's kind of his story. Like for real. And then what? He was drafted second round, I think, uh, by the New York Giants. Yeah, what pick overall? He was the 40th overall pick second round 1993. That's mind blowing right there. 1993. It was the year he was drafted. Let me tell you, he does not seem that old at all. I feel like he's like, you know, 39, 40 years old to this day. He's still, and he's like 502.

Looks young. He's got the TV shit going. He does. It just, it doesn't, you don't age. You want to know what I really love about him is that he has no fear in anything he does. And that's what makes him so great on the field. No fear against who he was, against his opponent. It didn't matter who he's going against.

He was going to bullrush him. He was going to do a move to get around him, swim around him, or absolutely take that tackle. I mean, I've seen some of his highlights. And he's just like, I'm going to get him. Keep tossing you, buddy. Like, you know what I mean? He gave you no care. And let you know.

He would tell you. He loved talking trash out on the field. He had a motor of a mouth. He had a motor of an engine as a football player. No fear at all. And they had no fear in his after career. Goes on TV. And he's just ready to go.

He doesn't care, you know, what's thrown at him. He's just going to go with it full speed at all time. He works his tail off. And he's a really nice guy. Like, you know, we work with them. and you could just tell it doesn't matter how big he is in the world. And he treats everyone like so nicely. Treats everyone the same.

Treats everyone with respect. It doesn't matter what position you are in life. He's long with everyone. What your job title is. And I just love his story from A to Z. When he first got in the NFL too, I don't even think he really registered a sack until like his fourth, fifth year in the NFL. Maybe a couple sacks.

But I know he didn't really turn onto the scene until, about year four or five. When you watch him and if you had to block him, what would you do? I would have been the guy to just chip him. I would have just wanted to coach, man. This guy has a motor. He's huge, which he's a big guy already.

I mean, I'm next to him on the desk, the Fox pregame show. But when I watch highlights of him, I'm like, man, he's like three times the size that, you know,

that he is right now when he was playing. And he's big right now. And he's big right now. But his arms were massive. and like he played like a guy that was like stockier and already had leverage because he was he was huge huge he's like six five and he would get that leverage because he can play low i got a math question for you yeah let's hear i love math between his NFL career and his media career how many hours do you think michael strahan has been on tv oh my gosh that's a math question that's over my head jules how many hours has michael strayhan been on

TV. That's a fucking question. Well, and well, here's the tricky part in a game while you're playing the NFL, you're not on the TV, the whole game. No, but. Yeah. So, maybe like four minutes a game. No. I would just say, because you're on the TV longer than four minutes because he got you on the sideline.

Yeah. He was always, and he was getting so many sacks that they would keep the camera on him. I would say about a million minutes. A million minutes? A million minutes. How many years is that? A million minutes. Can we ask Chat GBT, GBT or something?

A million. What does AI say? Minutes. I mean, I said a million minutes. That's a million minutes. What else do we need to know? A million minutes is a million minutes. I'm telling you, I'm a math magician.

That's what it equals. What about his get-off? Let's talk about his get-off real quick. I mean, that's what made him a special player. The ability of him to just burst right off the line and get to the quarterback and mess up the top of the tackle in a split second is what made him the great player that he is. And then he had a get-off in his post-career.

He had to get-off while he was playing full. football. I mean, this guy is legendary. He's a role model in the community. Great dad. Great dad. Great family man. Great teammate to have. Great teammate. And it's a guy I feel like you would want on your team and not a guy you want to be playing against. Oh, yeah. You definitely don't want to play against him because he's going to whip your ass and you'll let you know he's whipping your ass. You think Brett Fier? In like a funny way. Exactly. Exactly. He does do that. Yeah. He does do that. He does that to me. He does that to me. He's very witty. He does that to me. He's very witty. I knows what you're doing to me on Fox Sundays.

You're coming at me, but you're so witty. You're pretending you're not. I got your game down, buddy. Oh, but hey, I got a question. You think Brett Fire was just scared of him, so he kind of let him have that sack? 100%. Who's not?

Oh, hold on, hold on. My shorts. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Joel. My shorts are just really short. Yeah, there we go. There we go. And I look better now.

I look more professional. Yeah, 100% Brett Far was, I mean, did you see straight hand he looks huge who wouldn't be scared of him huge Brett far I mean I would be scared of him I was in the pocket and he got a free release at you like he beat his defender pretty easy on that play

he's the pro typical defensive end that you want on your team size speed get off power leg strength good in the run and pass obviously could he cover did he ever drop I saw I saw I saw like one fumble return for a touchdown. Also, crazy fun fact about stray. Tallest guy ever to be in space.

Six five. Six five. I'm taller in him. So if I go to space, I'll be the tallest guy, Jules. Are you going to go to space? I'm always spacing out. So yeah, I'm the tallest guy ever to go to space, Jules. So was he like weightless and everything? He got to do the whole, that's pretty crazy. Good thing he lost that playing week, because I don't think he would have been. been allowed up because he was really big back then. Like he would have been way too big for the spacecraft or whatever. Imagine his spacesuit. It's probably huge.

They probably had to get extra fabric. Man, would you go to space? I would love, uh, I'd let him do it a few more times. I would go to space. We should do a show in space. If you go to space, I'll go to space. But like, I agree. Let's like, let's like have like, let me get it.

Like 20 more people go on like the mission. Yeah. And then we would go like once we know it's really safe because we don't want this show to die. All our fans love this show, man. We can't. We don't think that they're, we don't think, but you never know. We can't have the show, like, just disappear like that.

No. No. It's on space. It could be called. Dudes on space. Dudes on dudes in space. Dudes on dudes. Space on dudes.

Spacey on dudes. Kevin Spacey on dudes. Space dudes. Oh, man. Space dudes on dudes. Space dudes on dudes. Mm-hmm. All right.

Time. What kind of dude is Michael Stubes? hand. He's a whiz, man. I think he's a wiz. He has a lot of innovation, which he has. He innovated the position, the defensive end position. He also innovated, you know, a career after football. It kind of gave birth to you. He kind of gave birth to myself. He gave birth to many others out there because as a football player, as an NFL player, people think, you know, a pro-typical thing out there that people think is, hey, that person can just play football. That person's just an athlete. While he's the one that kind of broke that mold for

us athletes and then having a better career after football and he had an unbelievable career Hall of Fame career and then having an extra Hall of Fame career, you know, post football, got to give it to him. You got to be a wizard. You got to have that innovation and he sure does. But he's like definitely a dude's dude because anytime you're at Fox, like he's always a fun dude to be around at work. Yeah, he is a real fun dude to be around work.

He's so witty man and he's on at all times. And if you watch his highlights as well on the football field, you know what I mean? he's just talking garbage at all times. He's always on. It's something that I admire, man. I know. That's always on at that size too. Because people that size, man, it takes more to always be on. You're that size. Exactly. I'm that size. And he's always on. He has a gift, man. He was born with a gift. There's no doubt about it. And he was a freak of nature on the field too. So he's also a stud. This is tough. He is a stud, man. He's a stud off the field. He's a stud on the field. I I mean, and he's a dog too because he don't give up.

I mean, he looks so long. He kind of looks like Derek Henry out there. Yeah, he's a big version of Derek Henry. Oh, yeah. Good point. He's also a dog, though. What you want to go with, though? What summarizes him best?

All right. On three, you say what you say? I'll say what I say what I say. One, two, three. Stud. Come on, Joel. We got to, you know, be more on the same page. You know?

Freak, you think he's a, why? Is he a freak? I mean, I mean, he used to take freaking 330 pound off the tackles and just throw him to the ground right out of his way and then get to the quarterback and drop him right to his knees. And it's pretty freaky that big ass D.N football player is sitting at the table talking to like housewives all around the world and they love them. That is. That is freaky. That is freaky. And it's freaky how he can talk 24-7.

as well. And he's always on. He can come up with an answer and a solution for anything that's thrown his way. And he can do interviews. He really good at interviews. He's all purpose, man. He's freak. Stamping it. He's a freak.

He is. Freak. All right, let's get into our last Halloween edition of dudes on dudes. Guy that we were going to talk about. You know what? I'm looking at this. And it's pretty gnarly. That every one of the scariest guys that we're going over is from the AFC fucking North.

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He'll probably beat my face in. I've seen him doing that volleyball shit. What is up? Let's see what AI has to say. All right, ladies. A.I. for James Hank Harrison, Jr. The second.

Holy shit. smokes. Oh, it's blank. AI was scared. A.I. I'm scared. Did not want to get it wrong. Start the clock. Now. Now. James Harrison. James Harrison was a tenacious and a hard hitting linebacker. Tenacious.

Tenacious. Thank you, Jules. Gotcha. I'm hairy. I didn't read any books growing up, okay? You know, and a hard hitting in a in in backer. Known for his relentless work, ethic, and physical style of play. Off the field, he was dedicated. and resilient, overcoming numerous setbacks to achieve success. Harrison had a significant impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers, helping them win two Super Bowls

and earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in 2008. Notably, he set a then-Steeler's single-season record with 16 sacks in 2008 and is the only undrafted player to win Defensive Player of the Year award. He was also a five-time pro-baller and twice named the Steelers MVP. He should have been a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, but San Antonio Holmes with that crazy catch, toe-tapping catch to end the game. They should give out like two MVP's award, a defensive MVP if deserved, and then an MVP award as well. Or an MVP award, and if it was a defensive guy, then if someone played on the offensive side, you know, on the offence side of the ball very well,

they should also have the offense of MVP. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying by that? Oh, Andy. Yeah. They can get a better sponsorship group out of the NFL too if they did that. You could have, you know, Chevy for, you know, the offense and Ford for the defense. We're not business guys.

Debo. Hey, Lloyd, you're smarter than I thought. Harry! Your hands are freezing. James Harrison. absolute scary motherfucker. Like he's, look at him, you look at his pictures. It's like one degree outside.

He's got his shirt off and his baggy ass sweats doing a pregame warmup, looking like he wants to just, I fucking kill every single person on the other side of the team. Like, we played against him and he's got a notion. And it's so fucking crazy that he didn't get drafted because he's about six. Six feet tall, but he's also six feet wide. This guy is a fucking fridge. His arms are literally like 30 inches big. I remember he came and played with us in 17.

It literally, when he would walk in the locker room, it felt like the scene in Friday when Debo would roll. Everyone would put their chains away. And he was like a nice guy, but he just had that scary oil. Nice guy. Great guy. Scary aura about him were like, no, hey, oh shit, what's up? No one wanted to joke with them because you didn't know if he was going to take it or if he could be joked with it.

But he was honestly a great teammate for that one year. And he's made so many incredible fucking plays in his career. Like, it's insane. Have you seen him do the shock put? No, I never seen that. I guess he's a huge fucking shock putter. Like, he's a fuck. I love him.

I absolutely loved him. I remember when he played that game in 2008, I was at Kent State, The Super Bowl where he had that big 100-yard run in the Super Bowl. And I was just so excited to see a guy like him, you know, dominating the NFL from where I came from. I mean, it's crazy. Was Prime's James Harrison faster than you? Yes. Was he?

Yes. I'm not going to say he wasn't. I had to think about that. And I was like, wait, if I am faster than him, I should not say I was faster than it. That's like me saying I'm stronger than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger than James Harrison. I don't think anyone is. But I'm going to talk a little football, you know, a little technician on the football field here. I mean, in the blocking aspect of the game.

And who you're going versus, what type of guy you're going versus, what type of player you're going versus, who you're going versus. Because in the NFL, you scout the player you're going versus. You scout them. You see what type of player they are. You see how they react to, you know, the type of block. that they're receiving and all that good stuff. And what size he is, what height the defender is that you're going versed. You get in his chest.

You throw your shoulder. There's so many different techniques depending on who you're going versus. And I love blocking a guy that's like 6'5, my height, who stands up. Because then I can get in his chest, driving backwards. And a guy that doesn't have that mean look, that mean attitude. And a guy that's not going to get pissed off because I came flying off the ball and absolutely drilled him and drove him back. yards and embarrass him.

That was the last thing I was trying to do with James Harrison. What were you trying to do, James? First off, with James, I knew I couldn't get into his chest. The guy is like a bowling ball. Like, you know that 28-pound bowling ball that everyone wants to throw down the freaking lane and just trying to knock down all the pins and like you kind of like do it granny style. It's so heavy.

You blow out your back. Well, those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL, especially at my size, six foot six, you know. It's hard for me to get low. It's hard for me to move. that type of guy because they have so much leverage. Built in pad level. Yes, exactly.

That's what he has. And with a guy like that and how scary and intimidating he was, and I've seen it on film, you do not want to piss James Harrison off. Why? What did you see on film? Yes. What do you see on film?

What do you see on film? I've seen him take defenders, offense alignment, toss him. I've seen him absolutely level defenders and put him out of the game with a concussion. Dude, he knocked out Josh Crimes, one of his teammates from college. Literally, knocked his ass. So therefore, when I'm blocking him, it's a guy that you just kind of want to get in his way.

I'm not going to come off the ball and crush his skull. I'm not trying to do that because if I piss him off, you know, if I hit him hard and I trigger him, man, I'm going to tell you he's going to pick me up and throw me to next play. So I never wanted to trigger him. I always just try to get in his way, you know, with my shoulder, with my hands. So then when the running back came around and you try to make a play, you know, just getting his way again, you know, so he can't make the play. I could feel his strength. I could feel his strength because then if I start going strength for strength, that's when I lose. No doubt about it.

That's when I lose the block versus a guy like that in leverage. So every time I just tried to just kind of play patty kick, you know, try to let him absorb me. So if I did fly off the ball, he would fly off the ball too, then I would go backwards and he would have that separation. And the guy that passed. So I just try to stick on him like a like a sponge, you know, and just always didn't let him out of my rear view mirror, just always staying in front of them,

never trying to piss them off, never trying to give him a cheap shot. That was the way I blocked James Harrison. And it was a whole different style when you go versus a player like him. That's crazy. See, we're here talking about Rob, like, Rob used to block the biggest, baddest dude on the defensive line. That's fucking nuts. You don't see, it's rarely seen, you know, a matchup with the tight end and the nine technique fucking D-end or what, you know, the outside linebacker that's playing down. Like, that doesn't, that's usually not the point of attack a lot of times.

Is it? Do you watch that film? Yeah, you always want to get the tackle. on those guys. But when you have a tight end in that situation, that's willing to do it, willing to get dirty. That's what expands your offense. That's what expands the run game. That's what expands the play action game as well. And I kind of use that to my advantage. And that's actually what helped me get open plenty of time on the play actions when the linebacker step up because they thought, you know, I'm coming out the block. But James Harrison was a terrifying pocket pressure

player. Low. He got so low. He's just like, like, yeah, he would have that shoulder dip and he would just get right by to offensive tackle, even though the offensive tackle is twice his size, kind of like it looks like twice as height, but he would get right underneath him and he was so strong, he would just rip through, right through his arm, and then get to the quarterback. And he was quick enough to take kind of an outside angle. Run the hump. Yeah, run the hump and then bolt right to the quarterback. He also would have a great change up where he would just use his strength.

He'd get right up in that chest of that guy who was about eight inches taller than him and push his ass right back into the pocket and blow up the quarterback. And that's the exact leverage I was talking about. And that's why I didn't go toe to toe with him right off the line because he would get that leverage and you'd push me back. So I would just try to stay on him and not let him get that force to be able to push me back. So just being a smart player. Have you seen his workout videos? His workout videos are freaking ridiculous.

He has like 845s on each side when he's freaking benching like 500, like 55 pounds. You see it does. It's just ridiculous. His conditioning, he gets like a 30 pounds. or a 40 pound medicine ball and he plays volleyball with it where you have to catch it and throw it. I have seen that. That's hard. People don't realize that's hard.

That's heavy weight and he does it for a long round. Like it's so fun to watch his workouts because he does like some world strongest man shit all the time. We're like you'll have like a boulder. He's pushing or he's fucking pulling a goddamn car or throwing fucking rocks that are like 900 pound. Like he's just a he's a cool dude. Dude, man. The one thing about it, the one thing would you agree, does his voice not match his body?

I think it does match his body. It does? Because I don't think it's like a low, scary voice. It's not as low as you expect. Yeah, so I don't think it, like, you would think with that guy, he's like, hey, how are you doing? Yeah, you're expecting that low. No.

It's kind of, it's not high, though. No, it's not high. It's kind of like James. I'm not saying you have a high voice. Which is kind of good, because imagine if it was that low, it would be like, even scarier. Yeah.

I remember he, remember he gave, I got one of his shirts. Remember he had the Debo shirt in the locker room? I still have the Debo shirt somewhere here. He's like, he can lift like whatever, 600 pounds,

Ben, squat, that lift. But what I love about him is that he always posts his regimen of, you know, recovering, of how he recovers off of those lifts, how he was recovering in the NFL. And he would put like 350 acupuncture needles.

Every day. Like every other day. And he posts about it. Like you got to be a freak. You got to be intense in order to get 350 needles poked inside of your muscle tissue and just take it like an absolute champ. Like that just shows. He just shows like he's dedicated.

Like he's doing whatever it takes to be at that level that he needs to be at. Who is the Mount Rose? Rushmore of strongest guys we played with, you think? I would say Sebastian Volmer. Volmer. Left tackle. Was Vince Wolfork? He was super strong.

He didn't really have to even, like, work out that much. He would just walk in the weight room and toss up, like, 500 pounds of the bench. Yeah. Marcus Cannon was the strongest guy I ever saw. In the squatting world. I've never, so strong. I remember Cannon would be squatting and there'd be 15 fucking 45. And the thing would be bouncing.

I swear, I think he had like 12, 4. 45s on each side. Remember that? Yeah, the bar would be bouncing. It would be bouncing like it was a fucking cute tip with fucking rocks on it. It was gnarly. That was a good imitation right there.

And then Brandon Bolden for pound for pound. Bolden didn't even work out. He was like, but he pound for pound when we do all those like. Oh my gosh. I wasn't saying like that was a bad thing that would work out. He didn't need to work out. And I'm like, dude, how are you so strong and ripped?

He was like, kids around. And I'm like, I'm like, dang, I got to start having kids. I got to start having kids. And I still haven't started. And this is eight years later. I would still be playing if I had 10 kids. He would always do those. Remember, we'd always have to do those explosion recordings for some certain things, like the Kaiser's. And he would always be the absolute, he'd blow people out by a thousand points because he was just so explosive strong. I'd say that's probably our Mount Rushmore. Yes. His last Kent State, game. You know who he sacked five times? Miami of Ohio. Oh, Big Ben. His fucking teammate.

Ben Ruffisberger. No one's off limits. No one is off limits. We saw what he did to Josh Crubbs when he was in a Browns uniform. We saw what he did to Ben Rathesberger when he was in a Miami of Ohio uniform. Like he is fucking Freddie Kruger, bro. This is a, I mean, this is the perfect guy to have on the goddamn Halloween episode. You know, yeah, we're talking about his you know, defensive skill set and all that. But what about every time he had an interception? He always almost like brought that ball back to the house. Obviously with one of the biggest Super Bowl plays in history,

the 100-yard return versus Arizona Cardinals. And if they scored right on that drive, they were saying the game was going to be over going into half because the Cardinals had that big of an advantage and that much momentum going in. But he saved the Steelers that game with that interception to the house. It looked like he was about to be tackled eight different times. And he just kept going and kept going.

going and kept going. He's kind of like a fullback mixed with a running back when he's running the ball. It's like Mike Allstott. Yes, exactly like him. He's Mike Allstott of the defensive side of the ball. Did he hear that he's, is he going to be fighting Ocho Cinco? He will be fighting Ocho Cinco. Yeah, Ocho Cinco. First, James Harrison. What, what are you thinking, Ocho Cinco? Are you thinking? I'll tell you right now. Ojo Cinco. He's got some ball. He does have some ball. He raced a horse.

He's fought a couple times. And he's lost all the fights, though. Has he? Yeah, he lost a fight. He bought one time. There's something to be said about a man that loses a fight and keeps coming back. He keeps coming back. Oh, Joe Zinko don't back down.

He doesn't. No, he doesn't. But what's he thinking? What is he thinking? It's UFC, right? MMA style. MMA style? Yeah.

I mean, the only way you'd have to fight James Harrison is if you go boxing. him if he couldn't bring you down. Ocho Cinco is 6-1-190 pounds about, I would say. He's probably like, yeah. He lost a Brian Maxwell in a boxing match. Did he? Yeah, it wasn't that pretty. I'm not saying they probably beat the shit out of me, but I'm not fucking James Harris.

James Harrison is a scary man. Should we go? We should go. I got a what-if scenario. Do you think we can beat James Harrison if we tag team versus him? you mean if we tag team james harrison no no like you and i versus james harrison uh i don't honestly i really don't know and i i consider myself a tough guy and but and i consider you a large tough human as well we would have to game plan we'd have to

you have to game plan because you know the steelers do what they do they do they do they do what they do they do what they do they do they do it very well but they do what they do what they do they do what they do do and they don't adjust. They don't adjust. They do what they do and they do. We'd have to game play James Harrison for that fight. Time. All right. But what kind of dude is James Harrison? Okay, I have, I have two that I think he is. You know, I don't think he's a dude's dude. No one's, I played with him. And he was kind of a dude's dude, but I was too scared of him the whole time for him to me think that he was a dude's dude. The freak, he's, I mean, he's either a freak dog to me. You know, and I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak, that he was an

undrafted freak. That's probably a stat that we'll never say again. And that's freaky. I mean, he is a freak for sure. I would not disagree with a freak. He has dog in him. There's no doubt about that. He's a relentless dog. He's a pit bull. He just never going to stop. It's the pit bull that's untrained. Yeah, that has a locked dog and just never letting go until that jaw finally gets tired after like 10 hours. You got to put him down, I think you got to put him down, basically. You got to kill him to let him go. But he's also a freak with the interception and the stride, his stride when he's running

is ridiculous. I mean, it's freaky to have a stride like that at that size with that much mass and to be able to run like that, that's freaky. That's freaky tangibles. Dude, no one, five, okay, they say he's six foot. That dude's 511. He may be 5'10. He bout my height and he's 260 and he runs just as fast as me.

Okay, if you want to call that, not a freak, you're fucking crazy. Yeah, you are crazy then. He's a freak. Freak. He's a freak. He's a freak. Stamp it. Drafted in the third round of the 1996 NFL draft by the 49ers.

He is renowned for his exceptional hands and ability to make plays. He ranks third in NFL history in both receiving yards and touchdowns. He was a six-time Pro Bowl selection and was named to the 2000s all-decade team, born in Alexander City, Alabama, known for his flamboying touchdown celebrations. He was often seen as a decisive figure off the field. He was elected to the ProHop Football Hall of Fame in 2018. Jules, what wild dude are we talking about right now, right here,

as wild dude number two? Let's get on, T.O. T.O. Man. Was a wild dude. What's the wild dude? this thing that comes to your mind when you hear of Terrell Owens, a.k.a. T.O. The first thing that comes to my mind is him doing sit-ups in front of his house

on a sit-up, like, bench with all the media outside of him. Was it during his suspension? It was during his suspension when he got suspended by the Philadelphia Eagle. And he looked yoked. He looked yoked. And he looked yoked. What I remember that press conference that he did outside of his home when he was doing his sit-ups. And I'm telling you, I was, I was at such in shock of how yoked he was and how ripped that I truly didn't believe that I could play in the NFL from there because I thought that's what you had to look like in order to catch passes in the NFL. Just yeah, absolute specimen, absolute freak of nature he looked like. The guy didn't have an ounce of fat on him. And I was like, damn, I want to look like that one day, man.

That guy is ripped. Great smile too. Yeah, he's beautiful. He is. He is. Freaking T.O. Man, he, I grew up watching him and I saw. I mean, I remember when it just changed overnight.

You know, he struggled with drops early in his career. And then it was that wild card weekend or divisional round game against Green Bay or Steve Young almost fell in his drop and hit him down the middle of the field on a split, split safety seam. And Terrell caught a ball in between three guys got crunch, made the play. They won the game. and like from there on out he just took off. Is that the play that he, you know, started crying

right after he made the casual? That just shows that someone loves the game of football as well. To have that type of emotion after a play like that and then you're crying right there and then on the field. He's emotional guy. That's when you know you love the game of football, though. When a play can make you cry. You could tell he loved, he loved football.

He liked playing football. I don't know, but he didn't love, you know, there's a lot of the team stuff where, you know, he, Andy Reed is considered probably the most, like, he's a big player coach, right? From what we hear, I've never played with. Player coach that takes no, no shit. And he had to get him out. And they traded them in the division to Cowboys.

That's crazy to me. That's a wild move. I've heard, though, that. If you go in division against, like, your rival, that's like one of the oldest rivalries in goddamn football, Philly fucking Cowboys. And he was still. elite.

Like, that's how wild of a dude you have to be. He was wild in all aspects. He was wild, you know, playing the game of football. He was wild off the field. He was wild with touchdown celebrations, but he was also wild with what he was going through when playing

in some of the games, like the broken leg or the broken ankle in the Super Bowl. That's crazy. He broke, he literally broke his ankle, like, or twist there or whatever it was. It was basically broken. He played against the Pats and Super Bowl 39, what? He had, what, I think, like, nine receptions for 120 plus yards.

Yeah. From what I recall, yes, New England won that Super Bowl baby, 24, 21, but obviously Philadelphia Eagles, they got us back when they beat us in, what, 2017. That's because Julian wasn't playing. Jules, if you were playing, we would have won that game. Yeah, you had no problem on offense that year. And what's wild about it, too, is he signed a waiver to go against the doctor's order. in order to play that game because the doctors were telling him that he couldn't play

because of how significant the injury was. But he was so wild, so ambitious and loved the game of football so much. And he was so wild in his rehab that he got himself to the point where he was able to play in that Super Bowl. And like I said, I'm going to say it again, nine receptions, 122 yards. What, two weeks after breaking your ankle or three weeks or whatever it was? I don't know. It was actually, I think he broke it.

It was week 15. It was week 15. So he had about four or five weeks to recover and play in the Super Bowl. That's fast, bro. You got to give him credit, man. He's like one of those ultra competitors where like it doesn't matter what's going on outside the game.

Whenever you put him inside the lines, he's going to ball. And when I watch his film, he's a, he's absolutely a freak out there with how big he was, with how he could catch the ball. He looked like a tight end. the middle of the field, but he's fast, he was, you know, you never saw anyone catch Tio from behind. Who did he remind you of? He reminds me of you. I agree with that, bro. What I loved about Tio on the field, especially his young days, bro, this guy was strong. Strong. Long legs, strong legs.

And the most important thing was he never got tired. To be that size, six four, two hundred 20 plus pounds and to never get tired, yapping his mouth, doing his antics, going for over a hundred, 100 plus yards a game. You know what I think that's because of? What's it because of? Because he was drafted in San Francisco and he saw it how Jerry Rice was. And Jerry Rice was the most in shape mother in the history of the goddamn game. And I guarantee, regardless of how in shape T.O. was.

That's a good point. Jerry was Jerry still. And then once, you know, I remember the day on Jerry Rice Day that freaking T.O. caught 20 damn balls on Jerry Rice's last game as a Niner. But like having that horse, that rabbit horse of what Jerry Rice was. was helped make T.O. How crazy T.O. was because in the back of his mind, he's probably thinking, man, that's the greatest receiver. I'm better than him. But he saw how Jerry prepared. So he probably took a

little bit of that. That's a good point, man. Well said. And what also made Tio so great as a football player as well, he was so explosive. So explosive. It didn't matter if it was coming, you know, right off the line into the route or after making the catch, he would just explode right up the field. And he was so strong because you could tell you was so strong because like you said, he reminded me of me. I would just say a little bit skinnier and at the wide receiver position. So he's kind of like A.J. Brown. Yes. He reminds me of A.J. Brown. And anyone that tried tackling him, he would just throw the defender right off of him. T.O. broke tackles. He broke tackles. Like no other wide receiver broke tackles. That's why he kind of reminds me of myself. It looked like he was a

mini me just running through the defense. and he was so physical as well at top of the route. That's what got him open plenty of times. On top of having a deep ball and running by a defender, that's what made T.O. so great. Special. And special as well. And that's why he's a top five receiver of all time.

All time. What'd you say? He has to be. I mean, you watch his film on like five different teams, even when he was old guy, he was still making crazy play. I mean, he played in a professional game, I think, like four years ago, about 50. Like, he's still a specimen.

Yes, he's playing in basketball. leagues, celebrity basketball games, doesn't get tired. And he's always, he's always ready to go, man. He's never sore. I feel like every time I see him, he's just full speed. How wild was it when he went to fucking Dallas and did the star thing? Well, what was wild? Well, that was when he was on San Francisco. He did the star thing that Emmett Smith came back and did the star thing. He's so freaking wild that he went back and did it again after scoring another touchdown. Ask how wild T.O. was in. He had Dallas absolutely hate him. and then what was so wild in the end

is he got traded to Dallas at you know some point in his career from Philadelphia Eagles and then they fell in love with him in Dallas as well because he was such a baller and so wild out there on the field and had a freaking like 50 wild TD celebrations as well in Dallas. What other TD?

I remember him doing the popcorn in the face. Oh wait up. He tossed me a ball real quick. Yeah. Yeah I got you here. Here, Jules. Oh, Tony Romo. dropping back. Oh, hits Tio. Touchdown, baby.

One of the most famous one that we saw even influenced Christian McCaffrey on one of our episodes. When he was seven years old. Seven years old takes out, signs the ball after a touchdown takes out of his sock. How fucking crazy is it. It's kind of like when you took out the easy button on your fucking out of the thing. I got, he influenced you? I got Jules his autograph. Dude, I'm going right to eBay, baby.

I need some money in my bank. How much will I get, Jules? Probably $300. Did he influence you to take out the easy button? Because actually, that is exactly who influenced me. Because once I saw the easy button in my locker when Staples sent it to me, I actually was like, oh, I'm going to hide this behind the goalposts. No, he hid something behind a goalpost.

That was Joe Horn with the cell phone. Ocho, what? Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Put it this way. I was inspired by T.O. and Chad Ocho. There you. Combined.

And that's what made me do the easy button, you know, celebration and practice. Two wild cards. Because of those two guys. And inspired me to be freaking absolutely wild. So here we go. Sign football right here. Inspired by T.O. And we'll be giving this football away, everyone.

One lucky fan. Best comment section in something. We'll discover what it is. But you got to do something really cool. What else do we got to? Do we miss anything else? Yeah. What I really love about Tio as well?

what made him such a beast on the field and so hard to tackle is the way he ran and the way he just got his knees up in the air. He ran with high knees. When you run with high knees like that, it's hard to take someone out and especially catch him from behind. And that's why he looked like, what are those gazelles out there? Yeah. He looked like a gazelle when he was running and kind of like a horse as well. And that's why no one can catch him. And that's why he was so great, so fast, so talented, because of those high knees that that, that, that, that, that, that arrive that he has. How old is T.L. right now? He's 50.

He still looks great, man. He still looks like a professional athlete. If you see, I saw him like maybe a couple years ago somewhere. He was cool as fuck. And he still looked like he could go out. What a fuck El Dorado is his middle name? El Dorado? Terrell. Alderado

Owens. That is a sick guy. I would have gone as Eldorado. El Dorado Owens? That would have been a badass football name. I'm back of a jersey name. El Dorado. Oh, everyone would have that jersey.

Why don't you give me some way? You know that song. What's the craziest injury that you played through? I would say, I basically did the same thing. When I basically snapped my ankle in half, aFC championship games for Baltimore Ravens, I came back in that game about 15 minutes later and played, you know, about eight minutes with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter.

So that was one of the craziest injuries I played through. Oh, also I broke six of my ribs when I was in Tampa. I got level going across the middle. Tom set me up once again. I think we've, we've talked about that, didn't we? I don't know. I'm not sure. You know, we talked about that already.

And I broke six of my ribs. And then the x-ray machine showed that I didn't break any ribs. So I went back in the game like, oh, I got to go back. and I can't, you know, be a sissy. The x-ray machine said I had no broken ribs. So I go back in the game, get two more catches. I'm like, I'm hurting, bro. I'm hurting.

Like, this is bad. So I take myself back out of the game. We go home and then I get an MRI and I have six broken ribs. Jesus. So I played through that. That was painful. That was painful. What about him and Ocho having a TV show together?

I remember it was hosted by like Kevin Frazier. And, uh, It was on like a network we really never heard of. But what would our show be called name? That's the T-O-Co. That's pretty good name. How about the T-O-C-O-C-T-O-C-C-O? Gronky-Nuts.

Gronky nuts. Yeah. I like it. Gronkin Jules. Gronkin Jules. And then last, let us know what you guys think our show should be. Also, we'd be crazy if we don't talk about when he started crying about Tony Romo and that's my quarterback. You know how many times I've used it?

that in just like a jokingly term. I've heard you use it plenty of times in the locker room. What about his shades though? Those are some pretty awful shades. I liked them. I thought they were swaggy. I was not a fan of them. T.O. was, I bet you he's just a misunderstood dude.

He's got a lot of emotions in there. I wonder what his upbringing was because he would have those bursts. You know what I mean? But you knew he loved the game. Well, what kind of dude is Terrell Owens, Jules? I think it's easy for this one. I mean, he's, you could put him in as a dog because he's a dog.

He's definitely a stud. Whiz, he's, could be a whiz. I mean, he definitely knows, knows the game of football. He was all purpose on the field.

I mean, he could take handoffs as well. He could line up. He could do everything on the field. Yeah, he was an all-purpose football player besides a running back. But I think it's one thing and one thing only. Yeah,

I agree with you. I mean, this guy had unparallelial physical abilities. I mean, He was one of one. His instincts were through the roof. I got to go with... One, two, three.

Freak! Absolute freak of nature. I got another question real quick, Jules. Would you cry for Tom Brady? I did cry for Tom Brady, but it wasn't in the same context. It was when I read about him leaving New England and without, you know, reading it from him,

I read it on ESPN bottom ticker that Brady signed a tape. Tampa Bay and then, you know, I had a single tear run down my, my beard. I just saw him three days before, too, with Jimmy fucking Fallon at the goddamn Syracuse game. The guy didn't hint anything to me. I feel for you, Jules. Would you cry for him? I have. Are you going to cry right now?

Yeah. Let's see if you could, can you cry on command? I was crying, just thinking about all our good times. I think is that a grown cry? It's over. I see a tear. I'm trying. I see a tear.

I'm trying. I see a tear. I just tried. I almost got a tear. I almost got a tear. Wow, I almost got a tear. That was pretty good.

Hey, pretty good. I think, I'm not lying. I almost got one. That's my time. I'm actually feeling more emotional now. Where did you go to get the emotion?

I just thought about all our Super Bowl wins and how much work we put in and how it's all over. So that's what you pulled from to get the, tear. I need to, I'm working on my tears. I just did an audition where I had to have a sex scene with the guy over Zoom. Oh, I would be cheering. Let's just be saying. Let's just, it's safe to say I didn't get the fucking roll. That's good. I'm glad you didn't, Jules. God. You would be the definition of dudes on dudes. Well, that's been another episode of dudes on dudes. Subscribe on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Amazon, music, wherever you listen to your podcasts. Comment on a dude you want us to do.

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