Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on George Kittle, Richard Sherman, and Howie Long

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

This week we're heading west to talk about some dudes that made their name balling out in the Pacific Time Zone. We're talking what makes George Kittle so tough to stop and his love for pro wrestling. We break down how Richard Sherman backed up the trash talk. We dive in on what a beast Howie Long was on and off the field. We wrap it up by cutting some wrestling promos. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name of it. Five, six white people pushed me in the car. I'm going, what about that?

Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. And all of a sudden, Howie came in, didn't say a word. Pulled out a tin, put it right on my thing, put one finger and just slit it to me and give me a head nod. and just walked by.

That was the first interaction I ever had with him. It couldn't have been any more Howie Long. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. That's Grong. And that's the flying squirrel jewels. Hey, this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. And boy, do we have some dudes for you today, ladies and gentlemen? Who the hell do we got today?

I'm excited. I'm a little biased, so I'm going to go with a tight end. First off, we got George Kittle. I bet you guys have come out to the weight. song when he goes into the weight room. Like he probably puts on one song, like a wrestling song. Who's next, Rob?

Richard Sherman. Legion of Boom guy. The Sherman Ada. That AFC championship game where he tipped it from Crabtree in the last like 30 seconds. One of the most impressive plays I've ever seen cornerback made.

That was for the game. I was to go to the Super Bowl. And then who do we cap it off with? I want to go back in history, Rob. Howie Long, ladies and gentlemen. I think our dad got so turned on from Howie Long. Hits.

They made us. We were created. I can't wait. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes really are. Let's get to do it, Grom. Let's go. Let's go.

Dudes on Dudes is a production of IHeart Radio. Let's get on George Kittle. Rob, what do you got? What's AI saying? Let's see what AI has today for me. George Kittle. Here we go. AI.

George Kittle is known for being an exceptional tight end with a combination of dynamic receiving skills and strong blocking ability. He excels in both the passing game and the run game, using his athleticism, speed, and physicality to make plays and create opportunities. Kittle is also recognized for his toughness and versatility, making him a key weapon in the San Francisco 49ers offense. His ability to gain yards after the catch and his effectiveness as a blocker make him one of the most well-rounded and impactful tight ends in the NFL.

Let's start the clock. We already should have. We're two minutes in. Yeah, dude. Kiddle, he's like the first of this whole Iowa fucking craze tight ends, isn't he? Who else was in there? Not necessarily.

I'm going to kind of throw myself into that category. You want to know why? You went to Iowa? No, I didn't go to Iowa, but you want to know why? Why? My first two years in the NFL? Yeah. My tight end coach?

Who? Was Brian Farrant. Brian Farrant's offensive coordinator. Yes. for the Iowa Hawkeyes. I remember Brian Ference. He would always put you up on that board. He was a fun coach.

I love Brian Farrantz. I'll still remember to this day some of the lessons he taught me. And first off, he taught me how to block. He's the one who helped make me the blocker of who I was in the NFL. Which is very much what Kittle is. Exactly. And that's why Kittle is an all-around tight end because they emphasize blocking first,

no doubt about it. And on top of it, Brian Farrantz many times, always told me, Just keep being you, man. You're awesome guy. Keep being you. It's going to get you the places that you would never imagine. So thank you, Coach Farrantz.

I'll still remember that to this day. What I loved about Coach Ference, he says, when you're nervous, you're ready. And I was nervous coming into this podcast world. And I thought about him again. I thought about him every single game I had. And I was nervous. You're nervous. You're ready.

Thank you, Coach Farrants. You know what? And it's crazy. What Coach Farrant basically said to you is probably everything that, like kiddle is kind of shoots out on the field. You know, selfless guy, be yourself, which he's a very charismatic dude. When you think of, like, he's a funny dude. He's the guy who started tight end you, which is this huge event,

which you get to go to all the time. Like he's a character not just off the field, but he's got that fun, like little kid, like Rob kind of energy, like gronk energy when he's playing because you guys both. Like when you guys both play, it looks like you guys are having the funnest time ever. You know, like you guys like blocking. He loves blocking.

Kittle gets open a lot because of how hard he blocks. It's the truth, man. And if you're a good blocker in the NFL at the tight end position, you're going to be able to get those easy passes thrown your way. Like, that's the reward for blocking in the NFL. Is the play action passes when the linebacker step up, the quarterback just dumps it to you after the fake handoff to the running back. And boom, you catch it, you know, eight yards down the field.

And boom, then you just make the safety miss. You can have a 20-yard gain. off of a little play action pass and just keep the chains moving. But here's the question. Miami University was tight on you back in the day when I was high school. Is Iowa? Who they had the freaking Greg Olson, Jeremy, Shockey, Kellynne Winslow, Winslow Jr.

Yeah, Winslow Jr. What did he say? I'm a soldier. Yeah. I'm a soldier. And he's like that because you want to know why he said it? Because he absolutely leveled like five guys on one play. Yeah.

And then they asked him about that play. And then he goes, I'm a soldier. he's not taking any shit. He's in war. But they had a couple other guys as well that was going to league that they were sending the backups were getting drafted. Greg Olson. Greg Olson.

I thought I said Greg Olson. You know what? They had a- Never forget Greg Olson. You can't. But that was the tight end you when we were growing up. That was. Tide in you now really has to be Iowa.

And it's because of the start of this whole thing with Kittle. I mean, Kettle, fifth round draft pick, which is makes it even more impressive. He's a fifth round guy. He wasn't the biggest dude. He wasn't the strongest dude, but he always fucking blocks his nuts off. He's willing to give his body up. He makes big time plays for his team when they needed on a crucial third down. He makes red area blocks where he's taking his fucking defensive end and driving him in the end zone.

Like, he's the guy that you always want to play with. He's that that's the kind of, and he's always fun. You could tell he's positive. And he comes from like a lore of family from Iowa. Wait, what do you mean, Jules, you can tell he is positive? Like that's just a well-known fact that he is a positive guy. Whenever you're around George Kittle, like your aura just lifts up. He's just always looking for the best thing out of anything that happens, you know?

Yeah. He's very optimistic. He's like optimistic, positive thinker. You know, and honestly, that's the kind of vibes that you gave off when we were in the locker room. There's guys that are hardos. There's guys that are asshole. Like I was a guy that was like, I had to be in a certain mindset to- Asshole.

Yeah, I had to be an asshole, not an asshole, but like I, but you weren't. You weren't an asshole, but you were like, okay, I made it, I made guys a hard. I was hard. No, but you weren't that. Oh, just a tad bit because you were, like you said, you were making them accountable. And that's what the technique you used to make them accountable. And that's because I worked so hard and it took me a long place to get to where I got. So like, that's what I was like.

Then there was guys like kiddle and yourself that like, you guys work insanely hard. You do great in the classroom, but you do it with like a. smile on your face and you're always happy. Like there's different guys in the locker room. And you and that's what I feel when I think of like George Kittle. Like guys is just like a positive great dude to have around, especially with, you know, their locker room. They got so many different charismatic characters there. Like it's just a great piece. I think he's a freaking baller. And going back to Iowa and about tight and being tight end you, they also had T.J. Hawkinson come out of Iowa. One of the highest paid tight ends in the game. Noah fans.

Fant, Font, how do you say his last name, Faint? I don't know. Fon. Noah Fon. Seattle, he's boss. Yes, yes. He's a great player. He's huge, man. That dude's huge. You got Sam LaPorteur, the best rookie last year, went to the Pro Bowl, over 800 yards. I'm sure he's going to have over a thousand yards and 10 plus TDs this year as well. Give the University of Iowa for this decade, you know,

to be known as tight on you. For sure, for sure. The story about his dad, writing him letters before every game. That's pretty hard hitting. Did your pops ever write you anything? No, my pops never wrote me anything like that, but he always motivated me, uh, especially growing up. He always told me, hey, if you want to be better than everyone else, if you want to get to the next level, you got to outwork everyone. My dad's been selling fitness equipment for over 30 years now. So he put a weight room in the basement and said, hey, hey, you want to make it to the pros, buddy. You want to make it, you want to be able to dunk. You want to be able to block. You want to be able to toss guys around.

Well, get your ass in the, weight room and get stronger now. You know, he wasn't a hard ass about it, but he always let us that way. Hey, get in the basement now. You want to be strong? Get in the basement. You want to whoop some ass. Get in the basement.

You got to have that. He's got that same, you know, it may be different because he's getting letters and you're eating weights. You know, it's still that dad kind of love. Like, I had mine in a different way. You always know and hear about him and his relationship with his family. He seems like just a fun dude off off the field, too. He is a fun.

Have you ever hung out with him? You ever hung out with him at Titan U. and I just met him a couple other times just really quick. And he's always fun, just so positive. And what I love about him, though, is that we are very similar. That's for sure. We have similar game.

He's an all around tight end. And he's the best all around tight end in the game right now. Blocker. Yes, blocker. Yes. In the receiving game, what I really love about him is he's a W. WWE fan, bro.

And he's the ultimate. WWE fan. Pretty sure he's done a couple things with WWE. I think with WrestleMania. I think his favorite wrestler is like Luca Hana, Luca Hana. He has that vibe to go into wrestling after he's done playing. He always be cutting WWE promos. He's always upbeat. I mean, he's good at those. He's got great energy. I mean, in order to start national tight end day, he started tight end you while playing. he's got a lot of juice. And that's why people love him. That's why his teammates love him.

I mean, I'm sure how many guys do you think he has picked up on his team that are down? Yeah. Don't feel like playing. But there he is. He's there every day. Hey, guys, let's go. Let's go. Let's have fun.

Let's go make some plays. Let's go make some plays. Let's go do this. Let's go do that. You know, it's just aura is to pick guys up around him. That's a guy you want in your locker. That's a guy you want on your team, especially at the tight end position. The best position in the game.

I mean, not bias, you know. I mean, he was a standout on the TV show receiver. I mean, that's how big of an aura he has for a tight end. Like, he went under receiver and pretty much dominated that show. Yep. Not saying, like, statistically this, that, but like his story was like so fun watching on that, him and his family and he's got a crazy sneaker collection. He's a monster.

He is a monster. And it's just, he's like a guy that you want to work out with. When you're working out, sometimes you go into the workout and you're like, I got to work out. He's like a James Devlin in the weight room. Yeah, he is. But then you just start working out with him and boom, automatically the switch is switched. Music's loud.

It's like turning the lights on. You just, when you're around him, you hit that switch up and boom, the lights are on. I bet you he has to come out to the wait room song when he goes into the weight room. Like he probably puts on one song, like a wrestling song, like a stone cold. And like that's how I bet he starts his fucking workout because he's so like that. What I don't like about him though is he broke my receiving record while Travis Kelsey did. to that year, but George Kittle broke my receiving record. Yeah, I had 1,300, 27 yards that one year. And, uh, yeah, he broke that. And plus he had a 200 plus yard game, which is incredible.

As a tight end of 200 plus yards, but that's 10 minutes. We got to determine. Oh my gosh. Absolute monster. So where do we put them then? Uh, what kind of dude is he? What kind of dude is he? A freak, a dog, a whiz, or a dude's dude. I mean, he's kind of a dude's dude. I think so. He's a stud, but like, he's so positive. Like, people don't, bro, you understand either. He's a freak, bro. This guy is so strong. Pound for pound for pound in the way for him. He might be the strongest guy on the team. Yeah, he's got that weird leverage strength. I think he dull, like that lifts like 500 plus pounds. From what I hear, I never worked out with him, but he's mentally, he's got dog in him, but I, I'm leaning towards

dudes, dude. He is a dudes, dude. I got to go with that because he's a locker room guy. Locker room guy. Positive energy. Come cool, collect always. I've never seen a bad miced up on him. No, I never have, man. I've yelled at referees and I've sworn, like, he's just like always like. I actually envy his energy. I want his energy.

Oh, wait, time out. Wow, we forgot his pitcher as well. Jules, I blame that on you. I blame that on you, Jules, because you were the veteran with the pitchers on the very first show. That's my bad. And that was my first time I needed to be reminded. The pitcher is so kid. You forgot.

There he is, everyone. There he is. That picture just exemplifies him. That explains him totally tongue out, having a good old time smiling with his tongue out. You know how, you know how hard that is to do? Wrestling hair. It's all greasy. Hasn't showered in a week.

Just has dudes all over him from the last practice. Swaggy sneaker. Yeah. I mean, that. Oh, man. George Kittle. He's a dude's dude. He's a dude.

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All right. Who's the next dude? You have your little AI ready. This guy? Hold on, Jules. Girlfriends text me. You know, I got to answer. I want to be a good dude. He's a good dude. He's a good dude. Say, tell me. I said hello. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Guess what she's doing? What? So it's a 10-year anniversary for the Super Bowl that we won versus Seattle Cilogs. And you know who we're doing right now next? Oh my gosh. Who are we doing next?

We're doing Seattle. Wow. And guess what Camille just texted me? Richard Sherman. That she's literally crying right now while practicing because she misses dance so much because they're bringing back to cheerleaders do a half-time dance routine that they did at the Super Bowl. Wow. Yes.

Yeah. Sorry, Richard Sherman. You're not a back-to-back champ because of us. Sorry, boy. Are you mad about it? Is he mad? He's mad, bro. He's mad, bro.

Is he mad, bro? No, but is he mad, bro? What does AI say about our guy? Ellen Iverson, smart man. He can just read a freaking everything on the internet in a matter of 10 seconds. I always knew AI was the best of all time. He's the answer. He is the answer.

Let's get on Richard Sherman. Wow. He was so good that he covers his whole page. He does. He's a Stanford guy. Richard Sherman is known for being a highly skilled, and physical cornerback. Renowned.

They used this word too much in AI. Renowned. Renowned. For his exceptional coverage skills, intelligence, and ability to read plays. Sherman was a key figure in the Seattle Seahawks

Legion of Boom defense. His lengthy frame and aggressive playing style made him a formidable opponent in both man to man and zone coverage, right? Formidable, Jules. For dudes on dudes.

I mean, if I say something wrong, correct me. That's what a freaking good dude. That's what friends do, Okay, but I don't know. I don't know how to All right. Read either.

Sherman's leadership. Trash talking. Trash talked? He definitely tried. Yeah. You mad, bro? An ability to make crucial plays in high pressure situations contributed.

Made a lot of those. Yes, he did. Made a lot of those. We were just watching his highlight film, man. Woo. He's, I forget how good he was. You forget.

His ball skills. Let me finish. I always just cutting me off. To make crucial plays and high pressure situations contributed to his reputation. as one of the top cornerbacks of his era. I agree with AI. I agree with AI.

Richard Sherman, we watched the highlights before we did this, and you forgot how many great plays he made because that cast of characters, the Legion of Boom. He was a part of it, and there were so many good guys, but then we watched those highlights. His ball skills, he used to run routes for the receiver because he was so smart. Like he's situationally one of the most intelligent corners.

You could never throw a downfield ball against him. Like that was like what I always remember. He always, he was a gambler because he'd always have those eyes in the backfield. Like he was one of those original guys where he'd play off and have his eyes in the backfield. And then he'd break on the guy. Like Richard, and then he'd always have the hands. Like he had unbelievable ball skills in order to finish the plays. And you know, he just was a freaky,

stud and he used to hit. What do you think? If I was a young cornerback, I would give Richard Sherman a call and ask him where he learned those ball skills. How does he track down a ball like that and make it, you know, and have an interception and make it look easier than a wide receiver.

Well, he was a receiver in Stanford. Well, that answers my question. All you cornerbacks out there, they need to do more ball drills. Ball drills. I say all the time. There would be literally like two or three more interceptions per game.

if these cornerbacks knew how to catch the ball. And Richard Sherman knew how to catch the ball. And that's why he made so many plays. And that's why he led the league in interception some years. So what year was that again? He definitely led the league, right? 2013. Yes.

They won the Super Bowl that year. Yeah, they did. And that's part of the reason why they won the Super Bowl. He was a literal genius of the game because he played wide receiver in college. He went to Stanford University. So obviously he's smart. Smart guy. You got to be a smart guy to go to Stanford.

All my friends that went to Stanford. Pack 10 guy as well. Shout out to the Pac 10. 4.2 GPA in high school. 4.2 GPA. Who is he cheating off? Come on. 4.2.

I thought it only goes up to 4.0. How do you get a 4.2? I think there's advanced classes that count as a 5.0. Makes no sense. I agree. I never knew about those ones. Advanced classes? Wasn't there either, Rob.

That's why we have a podcast. And that's why. That is why. Would you beat them in a math competition? I would. I'm that good at math. Come on. Give me a math problem right now.

46 times 20. Oh my gosh. 920? Yep. Oh, Richard Sherman. Yeah, he would still be thinking. Richard Sherman would still be thinking. I don't know.

He'd be talking shit. He'd be talking shit where I would have probably been thrown off my game and then he would have thrown out the answer. Yeah. That's how smart he is where he would have talked shit and been able to calculate multitask and then do it. Like, that's kind of guy who was. I mean, we played against some of the Super Bowl.

And we jawed back and forth. And it's out of fun competition, but you knew, like, when you were stepping in a game with Richard Sherman, you knew if you were going to be lazy or if your route wasn't there, he was going to cover you and he was going to let you know that he covered you. Those are the fun guys. He was a freaking monster. Like, you watch just the interceptions he made,

his high pointing of ball skills, that aFC championship game where he tipped it from Crabtree in, like, the last, like, 30 seconds or 23 seconds. seconds, 32 seconds. One of the most impressive plays I've ever seen a cornerback make. In a high pressure situation when his team needed it. That was for the game. That was to go to the Super Bowl. That was a go to the Super Bowl. He had a lot of those. And what made him so great, made him stand out from any other cornerback was his height and his length. He was six four. He was kind of like Randy Moss, but as a cornerback. You know, and he had good hands like to combat

great ball skills, but like to combat the quick guys to get him running side and side because he was so, you know, he's long. That's how you got to get those kind of corners. You got to make him run side to side. He had such long, great arms where he could play at the line of scrimmage. He'd win at the line of scrimmage. He had football IQ. What about his physicality?

Was there a play I remember just watching him? I think Des Bryant broke off for like a 50-yard. 50-yarder he was about to score. And I'm pretty sure it was Des Bryant. Yeah. And he was in back of the end zone, you know, guarding his guy. You know, man them up. That's why the ball went to Des Bryant.

They should have had him on Des Allgame, actually. He came out of back of the end zone off of his guy, and literally Des Bryant was one yard away from scoring. About to go in. Richard Sherman came out of nowhere and just laid the hit stick and made him fumble right on the one yard line. That just showed how physical and how much he just laid his body out on the line for the team. And also not to quit on a play.

Like the play could have been over. Des Bryant could have easily just gone in. And Richard said, you know, technically he won his play. His guy was guarded. His guy didn't catch the ball. But to come off his plaster and to make the hit at the end goal lines, it was like, you saw those plays all the time with Richard Sherman.

He never gave up on plays. He was smarter than you. He was longer than you. And he could talk better than you. And he had leadership. Like he was always vocal, very vocal. But the thing is, he backed it up every single time. He always said he's the best corner in the game, which he was throughout that era.

But he backed it up. And that's what you overreed. That's what you, uh, uh, Reve was a little bit before him. He was like right at the end of Revis era, Revis Island era. Yeah. So Revis was in his own category. And then it was Richard Sherman, two totally different players. Two totally different skill sets.

But, uh, hey, Jules, you remember when you troll, troll them? I do. Sherman. I do. I do. Can you explain what happened and why you did it? The parade after we, we played him in 14. We won.

Someone threw up a sign of like, with the face after the interception. And you know, you're just playing up to the parade, having fun. I fucking threw it. I was hammered. Like it was all fun in games until someone gets hurt. But no one got hurt. No one got hurt.

And you were hammered. So that's an excuse. It was a parade. Anything goes. We just beat him in the Super Bowl. And Richard Sherman loves talking crap. But he can take it as well. I think he can.

I know the guy now personally. I've talked to him a few times through Chris and Thompson because she does all the Amazon. And he's always been a really. He's doing a great job as analysts. I think so too. He's really good. A lot of insight to the game, especially at the corner position. He's not scared to be himself at all either.

Never, never has been. And it was throughout his career. You know, just with a guy like him, like you had to play hard the whole game. If you turned it off, he would smother you. He'd make that pick. If he saw Tom just slack a little bit in the pocket, he would be able to read them just like that. Because he played with his eyes in the backfield. He liked to play off.

that Seattle 6 were, it was like, it was like a matched zone so he could play off and he would see, he would read the quarterbacks and he'd come sloop on those seams and come steal them. Last piece, though, I play with Richard Sherman, my final year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Unfortunately, you know, he was at end of his career. He's a little washed like myself. He showed up. We had like eight corners down. We gave him a call.

He showed up. And I'm so glad he did, man. And I finally, you know, got to meet him in person and talk to him. He pulled his hamstring. I remember I had broken ribs. So we were reminiscing together about facing each other. And what a great guy he was, man. Great leader.

Great guy to have in the locker room. That's for sure. He's got tons of positive energy. He's a guy you love on your team, but you hate him. Yeah, exactly. He wasn't even playing. He went on the IR. And every time I walked in the locker room, I'm like, I love Shermanator is on our team.

Yeah. That's how great he was, man. He just always chopping it up and always being a character. I love the guy. I see him too. Great dude. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. What kind of dude? What kind of dude? I mean, he was, he was freaky. He was like a random boss. Is he a stud dog? Whiz? I mean, he's kind of everything, man, because he went to Stanford. So he's a whiz. He was a dog with those hits. He was

innovative as well. Because he, I think he hits that whiz category because his intellect was second to none. Like him and Revis are in that same category where they could run routes. Yeah, he was kind of a dog though, too. He was. He was. a dog because he was relentless and motivated always physically we talk to you i want to i kind of want to go with whiz though just because he went to stanford he went to stanford he was clutch the whiz is always clutched the whiz is someone who innovates they changed the position the position used to be a guy that was probably no bigger than six foot six fit one i mean those were huge corners back before him he was six foot four he evolved the position especially in that seattle system he had him and browner

They love those tall corners, and he's a huge part of that, which that's how you take away those big receivers on the outside. You put a big guy like Sherman on him and they let them battle. And that's why the Legion of Boom was such a great defense as well. I would say that he was the leader of Legion of Boom. Over Chancellor? Yeah, over Chancellor. Chancellor was the guy that laid the Smackdown. He smacked.

He smacked. I think, you know, he was the wizard of the Legion of Boom. Same with Earl Thomas. He was a rocket, a torpedo. Torpedo. He laid the smackdown. He laid the smackdown on me a few times. But Richard Sherman was the wizard.

I feel like he got that, you know, secondary imposition. And also why he had so many interceptions and why he was such a great corner is because he knew how to play the game of football in zone coverage and man coverage because he was so freaking smart. He's a whiz. He is a whiz. He's a whiz kid. Oh my gosh.

I didn't wear any of my merch, Jules. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I wanted to wear this Buccaneers hat, man. That's a good hat, too. See, dudes forget a lot of things, man. That's why we always love to have a bro next to each other to remind each other. And we forgot the picture as well, once again.

So get his pitcher up here. Oh, my God. No, Sherm's on here. Oh, I thought that was, I thought that was George Kittle still. No. All right. All right. Shirms up there.

See? Dudes on dudes, man. I think, dude, I think defenders. Just browing out too much. Hey, we're getting things. Don't you think defensive guys with dreads are like, does that not like, that looks like the predator to me, man. Like they're searching destroy. They never intimidated me.

Intimination. It never intimidated me. But I always, I'm sure. I'm sure, Jules, it never intimidates you. I just not. But you're bringing it up. You're bringing it up. But it always, I always thought it looked fucking sick.

It does look sick. You look good. You look good. Let's get on to our next guy. He's got some skinny legs. I think that's what made him so athletic. Those people with skinny legs, those corners are just so fast, and they never get tired. That's why I always got tired and was like, no, Jules, you run this route.

Like the ball's going to you, my legs like way too thick. He would do that. And by the way, man, I would take it too. As a bro, you know, as a friend, like, how am I looking? You're looking jacked. Like, I worked out this morning for this episode, man. Look at that. But you never not look jacked.

I know how Camille never not dancing. You're never not jacking. Look at that. Look at that, baby. Should I show you a six-pack right now? I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. Put your dong away.

As a dude, you got a flex. God. I'm looking at that, baby. How? He still got it. I'm just being a dude, okay? That's all. Sit down, you big old dude.

Trying to be like Dola. Dola is ripped, man. Dola is like playing Patrick Swayze right now on Dancing on Stars. Let's go vote for him. He's more ripped than you. Yeah, he probably's cutter. Oh. He's cutter.

Oh, you said that way. Let's get on to our next contestant. Who is our next guy? Absolutely. Legend. Absolute legend. We'll start the clock in five seconds after I say who he is. He's just a man's man, our new teammate, someone that we've all looked up to.

You're right. He's not a dude. He's a man. You can't call him dude. So this is dudes on man. Yeah, this is dudes on man. Howie Long. Howie Long.

Howie Long. What is the Howie Long, AI say? Howie Long. has a huge slum. Whoa. What the heck? What the heck? Hey, I.

I inappropriate. Inappropriate. How long we'd be like, geez, geez, you guys are just characters. He would. Yeah, you guys are just characters. Always just, you know, just chopping it up. He always, he always says, just keep being you, bud. Yeah.

He would love that line. He would. He would. He would. He would. He would. He would. Even if he has a small one, he would be like, thank you.

Yeah, I don't know if he does. You don't got a last day long. He's got a hammer. Yeah, he's how he long, bro. He's a talk about. He's a man. He got a chin. He's a freaking man.

He produced two huge NFL sons. Huge. Huge. Like first round O. Lyman, first round, first top 10 pick, Chris Long, D. Lyman, Kyle Long, O. Lyman. Kyle Long played baseball. It's just a fucking, they just have champion, they have champion sperm.

All right. Let me get to AI. They have champions. He does have championships. Howie Long was a dominant defense event in the NFL, known for his powerful past rushing ability and strong run defense. He played primarily for the Oakland Raiders. Who was his second team? I thought he was an Oakland Raiders.

L.A. Rators. L.A. Rators. Wait, then that's still the same team. AI. That's really weird. Fucking AI. They're not there yet. Two different cities.

He might as well have played for the freaking Las Vegas Raiders at this point. I mean, he was associated with them. He can still, he looks like he still play. He should be the Raiders owner, not Tom. Just kidding, Tom. Yeah. We need you as a Raiders owner because then you'll be like really rich and then you can get a yacht and Julie and I can come on it.

Yeah. Yeah. And then you can give us like cushy like scouting jobs like a million dollars a year. Yeah. We love you, Tom. Yeah, we love you. I was not the owner. You're the owner, Tom.

We need you, buddy. We hang out with you more. So we need you to be the owner. And maybe if we need a job in the future. That's what dudes and dudes do. If you're a bro, like, one dude always gives a job to their, like, bro. That's called, that's a triple D. That's called daydreaming d.

All right. A dude daydream. We're back. We're back. We're back. AI. Where he earned eight pro bowl selections and was named to the NFL's all-decade team of the 1980s. 80s.

80s decade. When I was born in 89, so. 86. Wow. He probably sacked a guy and got our mother's price. from such a big hit. That was awful. Awful take.

But knowing Howie, probably not. Howie is a stand-up guy. Yeah, knowing howie, you're right. He definitely would. He goes, yeah. They, they just, our parents just got so just turned down from his sack. From his sack in the 80s.

That's why we were born. It's a bone-crushing sack. Yeah. Because my dad's a big fan. My big fan of Hollywood. What dad is not a fan of Howie Long? I think our parents, our dads got so turned on from Howie Long's hits that we were created. They made us.

Very well could be. This is when how he was bowling. Long was known for his athleticism, intensity, and versatility, which allowed him to excel both in rushing the passer, defending against the run. His impact on the game and his leadership on and off the field solidified his reputation as one of the premier defensive players. of his era. I mean, we threw on the highlights. He's just nasty.

He's like the guy you send in. He's like a bomb squad guy. You know, you send Howie it, but he doesn't wear armor. He just goes in and does it with, like, his teeth. You know, like, you send him in there, and he'll do it, like some shit that no one wants to do. He'll get the job done.

He's so intense. He was like, and you could see it when he played. He was so powerful. He knew the game of football. he was a really smart football player. He looked apart of a Raider with the bull ring. He was like one of the original dudes that wore the bull ring. Like that was like hard nose.

Any kid in Pop Warner when I was a kid that wore a bull ring was like, that did eat cement. And that's what fucking how he, I think I literally saw him at Fox once in between games that you guys were doing. I saw him take a teaspoon of cement with his coffee. Like that's how manly he is. This guy, if you're going in a back alley, and you're about to brawl,

you're about to take on 10 other mother efforts. Yeah. And you're by yourself and you had to choose one other guy to go in that back alley. You bring Howie Long with you. And then guess what? You would just sit back because he would take on all 10 of those guys and fucking whoop all their asses for you. But then I think afterwards he would sit them down and tell them where they need to work on

their fighting skills. And like he would sit there after. like, you know, giving him like a rag for the nose that he just broke from some dude. Like, he would sit there and he'd be like, yeah, buddy, like, yeah, you got to be smarter than that. You can't go against, you know, while like looking at his surroundings. I remember the first day I met him on Fox. You know, he saw, we had a dinner than like the Friday before and it's my first show and I'm a little nervous. And so I had a dip in at the dinner. And I thought no one saw. I had a little baby dip in. Two days later, we had our first live show and how he was in there. And we had a little

He had a production meeting where we were with the big show, the other show. And all of a sudden, Howie came in, didn't say a word, pulled out a tin, put it right on my thing, put one finger and just slit it to me and give me a head nod and just walked by. That was the first interaction I ever had with him. It couldn't have been any more Howie Longed. He might be one of the greatest guys I've ever met. And I don't think it's talked about enough is that he might be the best role model, you know, out there in NFL history. I mean, the guy's up there. The guy's been through it all.

He grew up in Charlestown, Massachusetts. He's an orphan. Yes. So you know, he's a fucking orphan. He's like, he's like the movies. He's got that, you know, that Boston Hardo in him. Hardo. He takes no shit at all.

But let me tell you. Then he goes to Philly at Philo Nova. Yeah. And gets a little that more East Coast assy assholesess. All American man. He has great kids. Great kids. They grew up to be first round NFL players.

Do you remember Chris? I remember Chris, man. Great guy. Love them in the locker room. Loved him in the locker room. He's always be holding court in his little section with Nikovic. Like him and Chris, like him and Niko would be sitting there. Niko would just be sitting there like marveling at Chris because Chris was like so paid and had a sleeve and he was a white dude that had swag. Nico would just do anything. You remember those? Nico copied everything Chris Long did. He was Chris Long's shadow. Everything. Because like by that age, you know, Nico has been like in, instant.

institutionalized by the Patriots where like any outsider, he's like, oh my God, this is what it's like. If you had a problem or situation in life and you needed an answer, you would hit up Howie Long. 100%. The guy's been through everything from A through Z in life. Just a great role model overall, very positive guy. Yeah. When it comes to crunch time, he's right there on your side. It's taken me under his wing at Fox.

His knowledge for the game of football is through the roof. if you have any questions, he's there to give you answers. And then he doesn't care if you give him the credit or not. And he's fucking great looking, too. Look at how Jackty is in that goddamn movie. Still looks the freaking same as he did when he was playing. I want to say he's got top, top three chins all time. Top three chins.

Cowards won, Coach Coward, Howie. Brady's got a nice chin. But this is like, man, like Brady's like pretty chin. I never looked at. This is like when you used to draw. like old action heroes. I never looked at chin. I never looked at chin.

You know how they, they were just big grown men with huge chin like the cartoon. I don't look at chins. Look at the, like that's just a man. Yeah, that's a man chin.

You're right. And he had the best flat top ever. He still has it. What about that neck roll that he played with? Does that neck roll make you more badass? It kind of reminds me of James Devlin. Like he was more badass when he had the neck roll on.

Neck rolls definitely give you two points on hardassness. Two points for sure. Who else do we have? Eric Dickerson had a good chin. The all-chin team? No, not the chin. He had a neck roll. What about Brian Bosworth?

Oh, what about his neck roll? That was pretty badass. Tom Rathman. What about Mike Allstott? Fucking gnarly. Ultimate neck roll. Ultimate player.

What about Kent State going flashed jack Lambert? Ooh. I think he's a bunker guy. I think he's in a bunker right now. I don't even know what Kent State is. No, I've tried to get in contact. What's Kent State? They call it, some would call it the Harvard of the Midwest.

I don't know if you ever heard of it. But yeah, neck rolls, how he longs. He's a huge part of that, like, old school guy that had neck roll, made you look tough. And he's Hollywood. He's been in movies. Like, his story about, like, he stopped doing movies because it just was too much. He told me that. He's like, yeah, you know, I had to get, I just needed more time with my family.

They kept on sending me scripts. I was like, man, how? Howie's so cool. He's like, fuck them. Fuck that. He's a great family man. And that's why I said, if you have any questions about life, you ask Howie Long. And he has to right answer every time.

He really does in any situation. What kind of dude is Howie Long? Well, he's a loyal dude as well. I mean, he's the first one. He started the Fox gig with Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson. He's been there for 31 years now. Yeah. Yeah, the Fox pregame show.

And it's just an honor to be just to be a part of it. A little ounce of it just to be with those guys. I mean, it's incredible. What they have done. They transcended post career after NFL. 100%. They've given an example of how if you want to get into this industry, how you got to do it. You know, it would not just they're on camera chemistry, but the way they freaking prepare,

I get to be a fly in the wall watching them in between shows, watching you get ready. and those guys are just, he's just a stud. And exactly what I just said, he's a stud. He's a freak. Yes, he's a freak of nature. He's got the dog in him. He's definitely a dudes dude. He is a dude's dude.

But when... Locker room guy, he's a wizard as well. I mean, this guy literally is all five categories. And that's why he's so successful in life. What do they do with the Kentucky Derby racehorse come? What do they do? They stud them out. They stud them out.

That's what fucking Howie Long is. He's a stud. Like he, when you look at a racehorse. And it was a proven stud, too, because he produced two first rounders. Two first rounders. Like, when you look at a stud, a horse, how is the human version of a racehorse? A.I. even knew he had a huge slong. Did you hear me read it at the beginning?

Howie Long has a huge slong. They didn't really say that? Yeah, really said that. That's crazy. I think he could, I think he literally could probably win the Kentucky Derby. He could. because that's how manly of a man he is. When you call his son and talked him on the phone, Chris,

what did he say about how he said he's a fucking stud. So he's a stud. Stud. No doubt about a stamp it. Stunt. Stam stud. Stud muff. Our first stud.

Oh, Tony Gonzalez was a stud. Was Tony a stud too? Yeah. Different type of stud. Different stud. This was like a badass stud. Tony's like a smooth stud.

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