Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Joe Burrow & Jayden Daniels

Episode Date: March 7, 2026

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You got to put them up. One of the greatest pocket passers in the game right now. 10 minutes. Joe, Joey B. Fucking cool. What is AI have to say about Joey B? What's AI say about Joe Burrow standing at 6'4 and weighing 250 pounds?

215. No, my bad. 215 pounds. Holy fuck. Was drafted number one overall in 2020. In just five seasons, he's made his mark as one of the league's premier young quarterbacks with three

trips to the playoffs and a Super Bowl appearance. Raised in Ohio, his college football journey took him from Ohio State to LSU, where he won the Heisman trophy in a national championship, having one of the greatest seasons in college football history. Actually, that's the first time I've ever heard about Joe Barrow or seen him play or just learned anything about him was the national championship game when he was at LSU. And I literally was sitting there like, this guy is Tom Brady of college football. And just the first game I've seen him play, actually in the first.

half just watching him go. But like back to this. He's not only recognized as an emerging face in the league, but also for his charitable work throughout his home state of Ohio. Jules, what is the first thing you think of when you hear the name Joe Burrow? Joe cool. First thing comes, Mike, kids cool. We all, I think we were all watching those, those national championship year games and in like the meal rooms before games with all our teammates. You know, remember watching those? And, And like, you'd watch these LSU teams. And yeah, they had a lot of great players, but he was just dicing the fools. I think he beat like every record you could beat, passing, throwing, yards, this, that, and college.

So when he came in, it was like, who's this kid going to beat? Like, he had a stand. He played himself into some craziness, like this guy, who is this kid? Then he came in, he played. He went to the damn Super Bowl, the Cincinnati Bengals, like two years into his career, which was crazy. like he's just he's backed shit up he's always been the guy and he's backed it up i think he's just a calm cool collect guy man i love his game i love watching him play climbs the pocket like as a receiver these are the kind of quarterbacks you want that you dream of yeah because he's gonna sit in that

pocket he's gonna find you he's gonna deliver the ball you know i don't want guys that are running because you get the ball i love the way he just slides up in that pocket every time he's just got such great pocket presence and that's why i love them so much when i watch them national championship game because that's what he was showing and that's what tom does as well one of the best pocket passers in history actually probably the best and that's what makes him the greatest quarterback for all time it's not like he was running around yeah because he was such a great pocket presence and he would slide right up and he just kept delivering that ball right on the money and he was he was reading the whole entire field and every guy was covered but he stayed so cool within

the national championship game and then all of a sudden he just looked to his left boom and just dish it off to the running back, he would get 10. And he would just always know who to go to, find the guy that's open, never force the ball. And if he does force the ball, he's going to force it in a pocket to where only his receiver can get it and not the defenders. And that's what makes his guy so great at the quarterback position. No ands ifs or busts a butts about it, Jules.

I know. And that's like when you say pocket presence, when you watch a guy like who has good pocket presence, for example, Brady. It's when he can step up or slide to the right while he's keeping his eyes down the field to buy himself a half a second to deliver the football. Like it's not like it's rad athletic, but it's like a sixth sense where you know where to go to stay in the pocket. So the guy running the hump goes over you, you know, the pocket pressure, the guard comes

this way, you step this way, you go to your left a little. And it's like a sixth sense. And you see that with Joe Burrow. There are so many third downs where he steps up, knows where his last read is, finds that in-cut, delivers a good ball. You know, I'm really sad about their team right now because they're really good. I feel like they're better than what they're doing, but he's a stud. And when you have a quarterback like that, I can step up in the pocket and stay in the pocket as well, you know, extend the time in the pocket because he just got great pocket present. This is when you actually, as a receiver, you cannot cut your routes short.

No. You have to get all your depth that you need to get. Say you got a 12-yard end cut. You have to get the 12 yards because it's all about timing with this guy. And this timing goes from practice to a game. Because when you have a pocket presence quarterback, it's not streetball. It's real football. And it's the hardest football to defend when you got a quarterback like this.

So get your depth in the receiving game if you're a wide receiver or a tight end and do all the little details that you need to do because that ball is going to come eventually. You don't know when, but it's going to come. And if you're the fifth read, always be ready for it. if all four reeds are covered, it's going to the fifth read every single time. Depth in spacing is only really important on zone. Man coverage, you can break your depth. Yeah, man coverage.

What do you think about when you hear he's a coach's son? What does that mean to you? Coach's son means kind of like a coach's pet, but like I don't see that with Joey B. Yeah. Like that's kind of what he's a son. He's a son of a coach. Is he? Yeah, I think his dad's, his dad's a big coach in Ohio.

It's literal. He's a coach's son. But you're talking about him being with the Bengals. Like he's a coach's son. No, no. He's literally a son of a coach. All right. Well, then.

So like in the scouting report, if he's a son of the coach, is that a good thing? Or is that a bet? That means he's smart. Loves ball, round ball. Group round ball. You know, it exists in the family. You know, it's a trait that that's a pass down. I mean, it's good to know that family members, the tradition of football exists in the family.

Yeah. That means you got toughness. That means you got grit. And if one family member in the, decade and then there's another family member that means that's a football family and that's who you want on your team yeah there's no doubt about that I agree like if I have a kid I mean they hear gronk is you know a little mini gronk is on their team that you want that same with jewels all we got little julian edelman coming if you have a boy but uh eventually on a football team maybe your daughter

will be the first kicker maybe playing football never know yeah you never know she plays soccer right now so hopefully she is the first but they're going to be like we got an outlman on our team this is amazing Like it's just passed down. Like it's just the tradition of just football now, just passed down. Football knowledge. You got to get her flag. You ever meet Joe? Joe cool.

I have. We did a nerve shoot together. Nerve shoot. Yeah. Our Super Bowl week before he was about to get drafted. There's him, McCaffrey, Adams from the jets at the time, the safety we talked about earlier. And we did this content. He was a cool kid.

He just got a, he's got a comfort. look about him. He's just confident. You know, it's not cocky. It's just like, we had him do a scene where he had to throw a football, like one of those little nerve footballs. And then dude, like, threw it over the house and, like, walked off. And it was just like, yeah, he's, that's pretty fucking cool. He's just not even trying to be cool, but he is. He's, uh, just comes naturally. Just comes natural. You ever meet him? Yes, one time. It was actually this year. So, but we got to go way back a little bit like when Malcolm Brown was drafted to the Patriots like whatever how many years ago that was yeah what 2015 or first round pick de tackle out of Texas I got a text message

at night the night of the draft and it was like hey Rob it's Malcolm Brown like pleasure to be on your team I can't wait to get back to work in the football field um you know and just an honor to be your teammate it was something along those lines and I wrote back like man you know great to have you on and then eventually that night called the number, and it was not Malcolm Brown. So I got duped. It was just a random fan, and they duped me to answer back

in saying it was Malcolm Brown. So my phone number got passed around somehow, some way, and I got duped. Like, I got got got. As Marchant Lynch would say on his podcast, I got got, all right? I got got. So now, fast forward,

I ain't ever going to let that shit happen to me ever again. I ain't answering random numbers. Like, if someone has my number, it's because I know they have my numbers, That's my official rule from here on out. After I retired with Tampa Bay Buccaneers, my second stint in the NFL, they're like, everyone's still trying to get me to play, you know, I'll ask me questions in the media when I had to do some media rounds.

You like, yo, who is the quarterback that you would love to play with, you know, to this day and era, like playing right now. And it can't be Brady. Obviously, I'm like, obviously I'm not going to pick Brady. I'm like Joe Burrow, but he, because he reminds me of Brady and I just love the way that he presents himself in the pocket. Went everywhere. Went everywhere.

And I retired that. year. And then I get a text message. Yo, Granc, what's up, man? I saw, I saw you talking about me in the media. It's Joe Burrow. Like, I would love for you if you came to the Cincinnati Bengals. I was like, I was like, I ain't getting God again. I'm like, I ain't getting God again. Like, this is nuts. Like, I ain't falling for this shit. Like, I ain't going to answer. I thought it was cool as shit that. I was like, this would be cool as hell. If this is Joe Burrow trying to recruit me to go to the Bengals, but also at the same time, he's got to know I'm tapped

out. He doesn't not want me on that team. But he thinks he does because of my history. And I'm tapped out and I know I'm not playing football anymore. You don't want me, Jules. Yeah. So I'm, I'm going to tell you that just, you know, myself. Nah, I mean, you do, but you do. I would have still been good. You still would have been.

But even when you're covered, you're not covered. I'm at the white party this year. Shout out to Michael Rubin having the white party. And I go up to him. I walk right by. I'm like, oh, what up, Joe. You know, nice to meet you. It was the first time I've ever met him.

And then like within like 10 seconds, he's like, Like, you like something along the line like, you know, you never responded to me. And like, I knew exactly what he was talking about. And I was like, no freaking way that that was actually you, bro. He's like, yeah, I texted you like after you said like that you wanted to play with me in the media. I wanted you to come to Cincinnati. And I was like, bro, I never thought in a million years that was you, bro. I was like, I'm sorry.

I apologize, man, because I love Joe Brown. Yeah. And I because of Malcolm Brown text message because someone got me. So I was just at that time, I was like, bro, I'm sorry, bro. I love your game. And I was like, you don't want me. You didn't want me anyway. So it was a good thing I didn't answer.

I turned into that. So in that situation, just take a guess. Just go with your heart. And if you truly believe who's texting you at that moment. You should have pha-time. If you don't know the number. Time. What kind of dude is Joe Burrow?

That's easy, man. I mean, obviously, he's kind of a dude's dude for sure. He is a guy in the locker room. He is too cool. You can't be a dude's due when you're too cool. Not when you're too cool. He's got some dog in him. He does.

He's got some whizzen him, but I think he's just a stud. He is a stud. 100% that's what I was going with. I'm not even going to argue with that. The dog that I saw in him was after national championship game when he smoked that cigar and just sat there and, like, did those interviews or whatever and took a couple of pictures with the cigar in his mouth. That was dog-like for sure.

But it's also he's steadily enough to do it. Yeah, with his hair, he's like back and everything. He had the little Jerry. He's got the little, he's got the Superman curl. He's got the Superman little swoop. Hey, right now with the Bross and tips. I mean, are you jealous of his Superman hair look? Hell yeah.

I think you are, Jules. Hell yeah. You kind of got that going a little bit. No, but not to his level. No, he's like, he's like a textured hair. I got this straight-ass tear wear. Joe Burrow, he's too cool. He's definitely stamp it.

Stunt. And Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear the name Jaden Daniels? First thing I think about when I think of Jaden Daniels is calm, cool, and collect. I mean, he's doing things right now that no rookie quarterback has ever done. He's doing things that veteran quarterbacks don't do. That's a good point. I mean, it's been unreal. to watch him play.

Like, in crucial situations, everyone thinks he's a, you know, a running guy, but he's delivered crazy situational, like, drives where he capitalized on a third down or, you know, he capitalized on a fourth down, throwing the football. I mean, he's dissecting, man. I'm so, it's been so impressive to watch. I'm at a loss of words because these last couple years, we've seen quarterbacks come out and play very strong rookie years. You know, C.J. Stroud last year.

And then Jaden, like, that was like the best rookie season all time for a quarterback. Then Jayden Daniels comes here into the league. And he's got two playoff wins. And this was a joke of a franchise. A joke. They only won four games last year. I mean, it is unreal. You got to tip your cap to Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury.

Cliff's fucking developing this kid. I watched his stats. I watched his film from, you know, we were watching this film in college, and you could see he was a gifted guy, but you watched it in the league, and now he's like, he's progressing through these,

his progressions, and he's delivering the ball over the middle of the field. You watch his highlight film in college. I mean, he's throwing him a leak neighbor, Brian Thomas, and he's throwing all these go routes, which he's putting him right where they have to be. I've been watching him dissect defenses.

I mean, it's so impressive. What do you think? The Washington Commanders, first year ownership, first year head coach, first year offensive coordinator, first year, everything else that they got going on in the first year. And the most important piece, rookie quarterback, Jaden Daniels. Without a doubt. Put it that way. This guy's special.

There's never a stage that's too big for him yet, even just as a rookie. And I would date back to that is because you've got to have experience in order to be able to handle a stage that big. And he was handling that stage when he was at LSU. I mean, you're in front of 80,000 people a week when you're 100,000 people a week when you're in the SEC. And on top of it, he's so experienced.

He played about what, four or five years in college. He's 25 years old. He's 25 years old. He's just like Bo Nicks. Those guys stepped in and they handled every situation that was thrown at them because they played so much football already in college. So to all your quarterbacks out there, staying in college for four or five years is fine. You're still going to get a chance at the NFL and it actually might make you better,

you know, your first, you know, year or two in the NFL because you're developed already. You already seen so many situations. You already seen so much good football, you know, coming at you. So Jaden Daniels is one of those guys that represents that that you can be totally ready even after a five year, even after staying for five years in college, which is, which is amazing. Without a done. But, yeah, he's the most important people. to this new Washington commanders, this new style of everything that they represent. His offensive coordinator, obviously, Cliff Kingsbury, I think has helped him out tremendously as well.

He's like a quarterback whisperer. He knows how to relate to the young bucks. He had, what, he had Patrick Mahomes in college. He, uh, in Arizona, Kyler Murray, he dealt with as well and helped develop him. And he's doing, he's very successful as a quarterback. I heard Cliff and I, what was it? There was some miced-up stuff or there was an interview with some of the players. Cliffs over here talking about Instagram models with some of these guys.

Like, they just have such a connection. That's how you relate to these young bucks. I mean, they got connection right now. It's been so fun to watch. I don't know anything about this. I don't know anything about those Instagram models. I swear. All right.

Well, these guys over here was talking about it. I don't either. But Cliff can click on my Explorer page. It's all Frenches. Yeah, smart instincts. He's a dynamic threat as well. Yeah, everyone's like, hey, get down. because he's skinny, man.

Those linebackers get a hold of them. They could do some damage to him, but he's just got to get down. I mean, yeah, I know you're a young buck. He's a young buck still, so you can take a couple hits, but he's slippery enough, like you said that he can maybe do a guy or two and void it.

You got to, I mean, he's got consistency as well. That's what makes a great quarterback. Is this guy has consistency as just a rookie? Yeah. You know, that's incredible. I mean, he gets through his reads quickly as well.

I like the day has big hands. He got big. hands? Yeah. Did they say he had huge hands or was that Pennix? That might have been Pennix. Penning looks like a guy that would have big hands. Jaden Daniels looks like, you know, he's so skinny. He might just have average hands. I love how he is at the podium too. He's just calm all over the place. He's calm under pressure. He's calm at the podium. He's calm after, you know, when he's doing interviews after the game. He's just calm at all time. And I swear, you got to have that personality like that to be a

quarterback in the NFL. It's kind of like being a golfer a little bit. You just got to be calm the whole entire, you know, day because there's going to be ups, there's going to be downs. And then if you're just in the middle, you're just always ready to go at any given time. So Tom was always calm? He was in pressurized situations. But like, there's got to be a time where he,

you got to pick it up. You got to pick it up. But Jaden's calm at all times, I feel like. It just goes with him. It does. And his leadership is just a rookie. He's incredible. I would say his days at LSU have gotten him that skill set to have that leadership.

And also he bounced around a little bit in college. So do you think guys that bounce around like that in college, does that help their leadership? And that helps their knowledge of the game because they're learning so many different systems and you've got to become a leader instantly when you get to a new school? Well, I think that the experience of having to gain the respect of a new team multiple times puts him in a great position to go. And if he's balling great, do the same thing in the league.

And that's what we're seeing. I mean, he's gotten the respect of his team at Arizona State, LSU. And now you can see that the team is rallying behind him. I mean, Terry McLaurin is happy. He's been, you know, he's been playing with no quarterbacks, his whole career, finally as a quarterback. And look at, you know, the damage he's done this year. I just think it's, I mean, he's just, he's unreal.

And he, and what's cool is that the Washington commanders surrounded him with the pieces to succeed as well. They went out. They got veteran running back, Austin Eccler, who's a beast at running the ball. Great out of the back field. Great out of the back field on third downs in passing situations. They got a hold on to the ball. Zach hurts, a veteran tight end who's very consistent, you know, out there out in the field, who he's been feeding throughout the playoffs as well.

Then you got superstar wide receiver McLaureen, who's been there for a while and needed the quarterback. So it was a win-win situation for them as well. And then you got him with one of the best, you know, new head coaches in the game as well. Dan Quinn. And I believe Dan Quinn is the reason now, if you look at it, why the Cowboys were 12 and 5 over the last couple years. I mean, without him being with the Dallas Cowboys,

they absolutely tanked this year on the defensive side of the ball. And even Michael Parsons even brought up that they missed Dan Quinn throughout this season as well. So Dan Quinn, you got to give kudos to him for developing, you know, helping with the development of Jaden Daniels, but also boosting that defense and just the team overall, the morale, you know, for the Washington commanders. Now I see why the Cowboys were that good over the last couple of years. And Dan Quinn, and this is, we're talking about Jaden Daniels,

but Dan Quinn, this is a tip of the cap for the defensive coaches that get a bad rap when you're looking at this. Oh, like, we got a new young quarterback. Let's surround them with the quarterback guru or something like, like Dan Quinn, he's a defensive guy. He's developing Jane Daniels. Now, I know Cliff Kingsbury is a huge part of that, but, you know, this is big for defensive coaches.

It takes everyone. It takes everyone, man. You got to have that head coach all in to develop him too. No doubt about that. Remember that Hal Mary, though, against Chicago? Do you think that changed their season this year? When Jane and Danos was the second pick overall, Hell married, the first pick overall, Cald Williams? I mean.

Was that the game changing event, game changing play of their season, you think? I think that's one of those moments where you got like a destiny team. It's a destiny team moment. when you look back on it, that one play is going to be signatureed on all the highlights and all everything because, you know, they needed that to win that game. And that's a huge part of the reason why they're in the playoffs. You know, that's how, that's why the NFL is best. Every game counts.

You know, we're going to look back. And all those games that, you know, the Cincinnati Bengals lost because of a play or, you know, the Chicago Bears lost because of, you know, a bad play here or there. You know, this team right here, the Washington commanders, they've had those plays. And that's why they're in the position that they're in. And it's been remarkable because you're doing it with a young guy that's never done it. And he looks like he can, I mean, I usually am so pessimistic, like deep down inside with, like, young quarterbacks in the playoffs. Like, he looks good.

He looks good. He looks like a savvy vet like he's been playing for like five years in the NFL. It throws the game down. Like even when, because you, when you watch him on the sidelines and he makes everyone miss and he gets out right away and he protects himself, but he gets out, like, he's always, like, he's always a step ahead of the defender. And then even when they're blitzing him, like, he sits there and they're so scared to fully go at him because they can make them, they got made miss earlier in that game.

So there's a bit of hesitation. And then he's delivering the football on these blitz zeros. He's defeated blitz zero a whole lot of bunch of this. year. Like, more than a lot of these quarterbacks in crucial situation, got to have its situations. It's been crazy. And when you can beat Blitz Zero as a quarterback, especially when you're that young, you're going to be set up for rest of your career. And then they're going to stop pressure. And then the run game just opens up that much more. And it's wild that that the game is that slow for him, that he can beat Blitz Zero and put the ball where he needs

to put it in like a split second, which is just incredible. I got a question for you, Jules. Who is a better passer right now? Jaden Daniels or Lamar Jackson? Ooh. Don't be scared. Ooh. Don't be scared. I mean, the kids are scared to answer.

I'll tell you right now. Jules are scared to answer. But you said it on the Blitz Zero point. Lamar's last two seasons have ended on Blitz Zero. You'll put your money on Lamar Jackson or Jaden Daniels to handle that Blitz Zero. From what I've seen, I'm going with Jane Daniels. Oh, you heard it here first, folks. You heard it here first?

I'm going, Jaden Daniels. I think he's good. Who's got better legs? Lamar Jackson or Jad and Daniels? Lamar. There we go. That makes up for it. Okay.

Lamar's a beast. Jaden Daniels or Michael, or Michael Vick. Legs. Legs, Vic. Yeah, I agree. Vic, I agree. Wow. Jaden Daniels, a beast.

Well, what kind of dude is this guy? We've been raving about him. You know, we've been going off about his skill set. He's great pastor, dual threat, can run the ball. He's skinny. Heisman has NIL deals. His ASU teammates told him he sucked when he left and he didn't care. He didn't even listen to him.

Did they? Yeah, they said you suck, clean out your locker, get out of here. Did they really? Yeah. Video surface of them cleaning out his locker room and his teammates on IG telling me and he sucks after he left ASU. I mean, that's ASU for you. I would, you know, that's the scum devils for you.

They would do that type of stuff. I mean, I don't know why I'm saying that about them. Oh, I know why because I went to the University of Arizona. Wildcats, bear down, baby. But what kind of dude is Jaden Daniels? Is he a whiz? He's definitely a whiz. He's a whiz.

Yeah, he is, but he's kind of a dog, but like, but not, not really because he's too, like, he's too, like, he's too, like, skinny maybe to be a dog. Mm. Like, he's not, like, cussing people out, running guys over. He's a freak, too, because he's really fast. And he, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, he is. Yeah, he is. He's freaky.

Yeah. Because you're skinny and, like, you get really freaky when you're skinny. He's also, like, as an athlete. I think he's a stud. He might be a stud. I mean, his athleticism, football IQ. Just the way he handles himself on three. On three, who do you think?

One, two, three, stud. And it's because he's just been, I mean, he's won the Heisman. He's gone here. He was supposed to do what he's doing right now. That's what studs do. They do what you're supposed to do. At the podium. sounds the way we all think he should sound probably.

I mean, the post game interviews on the field, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, it's like he didn't even win the game because he's just so calm. Like, it's not like he's, you know, overly like celebrating, excessive celebration. Like, he's just like, he gives the praise to everyone too. Yeah. And yeah, he does. I mean, hey, man. He gives the praise to his teammates.

The linemen did a great job. The coaches did great. The, you know, wide receivers. It's incredible, man. It's like he's a 10-year vet. He's got pedig. agree. He's got that football IQ. He's a stud. He's a lovely stud. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no grip. A new podcast tackling

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