Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Mike Alstott and John Madden

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

We're back in Boston and we're talking about two absolute legends from the world of football! Rob talks about his wild weekend at The Indy 500. Jules breaks down his weekend at Patrick Mahomes' charity golf outing in Vegas. We get on what makes Mike Alstott such a legend. We talk John Madden's incredible impact on the world of football. We wrap up by reacting to some of your hottest takes in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They already have a movie coming out about John Madden. You got Nicholas Cage playing Madden, and I've seen some pictures of him. He kind of looks exactly like Madden. What do they do? Fill them up with pillows. Yeah. I mean, when I used to fill myself up with pillows, I'd be in one corner. My brother would be in the other corner.

We call it Zooms. And you just get as big as you possibly can stuff as many pillows as you can. And then you would run full speed at each other. Let me explain something to some people out there for all you people to think like, oh, I got a baby gronk in my house. Look at this kid's. His form of entertainment was running full speed into a wall with pillows. Okay.

Into another person, not a wall. Built different. Into another person. The former entertainment was playing hockey downstairs and fucking running into each other with fellows. Full contact. Okay. Back to Madden.

Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. And today we're talking about a couple of folk heroes from the world of football. What are we talking about today?

The legend of Mike Allstott. He is the first. the perfect four minute back. He can play in any era, any era. What made John Madden such a great broadcaster? I mean, John Madden set the standard. His name is synonymous with football. And also what it's like to be on the cover of Madden.

You're looking at your boy. You know, to be recognized like that, you know. It's an honor. EA Sports. It's in the game. And then we wrap it up by reacting to some of the hottest takes in this week's chillist due to the week presented by. by Coors Light.

Stick around to the very, very end. Let's go. Dudes on dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. We're here in Boston. We brought dudes on dudes back in Boston. We are back in Boston. And every time we come back to Boston, does it not feel like home?

It feels like home every single time, especially when, you know, the flowers are blossoming. The sun is out. It's 65 degrees. It's a beautiful spring day. You know, you see just people happy walking the streets. I feel like I belong, you know.

And that's the best feeling, you know, that's when you know it's a home is when you feel like you just belong here. And we both belong here in the city of Boston. It will be of home forever, Jules. And it's Memorial Day weekend as well. What does that mean? We want to recognize. How come you wait? First off, explain why you know what this means.

Yes. I know what Memorial Day weekend is because Bill, every single time a holiday comes up. He explains what the hospital. holiday means and what it represents, especially if it has something to do with the military. Yeah. So every single time Bill would call up the team meeting. We would usually have off Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday, which everyone loved. You have a four day weekend off of OTAs.

Shut up. We got a guy. Bill would bring you, you know, bring you up in the team meeting, bring the team together in the meeting, uh, the final team meeting of the day on Thursday before he lets everyone go for the whole, you know, four day weekend. And he would explain what Memorial Day weekend. is and what it represents. And remembering all of the veterans that have fallen and sacrificed their lives for our country

so we can have the freedom that we have to this day. And that's what we want to do right now before we get started is recognize and give tribute to all the fallen soldiers out there that have paid, you know, their duties and did the ultimate sacrifice for our families, our country, for their families, for our friends and putting it all on the line. So we thank them. We thank their families. And let's give them a quick, you know, five seconds of moment of silence right now,

Jules. Five moments. There we go. That was touching, Rob. I was touching, Rob. I learned from Coach Belichick. Yeah. But we're also a big military podcast.

You do a lot of, have you visited? Where have you gone? You've gone some crazy places. Yeah. Last year I did like a USO trip. Yeah, yeah. But it wasn't technically a true USO trip. I did it with Monster.

because Monster did so many U.S.O. trips. They always combined, but they kind of separated a little bit. So Monster just went off on their own and brought me to Poland last year. And I visited four different military bases, United States military bases. And it's just so cool and it's so touching because the people there get excited, you know, the troops there get excited because they do the same thing every single day. They grind. They, you know, shoot their tanks, you know, they're replicating, you know, a mission.

And it's kind of the same thing on a regular basis. So I got to show up, you know, it, you know, got to switch up their routine, you know, got to meet me. They got to show me all the tanks that they get to shoot. I got to shoot some tanks, shoot some guns. And it's rewarding to them. It's rewarding to me as well. And it puts a smile on their face, which is the most important thing.

And it gets their mind off of what's going on on a daily basis with all the war that's going on over there, you know, overseas and what they're preparing for. So whenever I have a chance, I get to, you know, I love to do things like that. Yeah, I went out and visited the USS George Washington and stayed a night over in Brazil when they were on a mission going around the whole continent, South America, while they were on their way up to, I can't give disclosed locations because, you know, I don't want to piss off cap. You know, he's from Alabama, Big Bamma, roll-tied guy.

Cap, I won't say. But who's cap? the captain of the ship oh okay captain captain okay i gotcha i catch but i will say like you said it it's it gives you a perspective when you go into their day-to-day life we stayed and we visited every part of the ship you know we visited the fire department we visited the mechanics we visited the guys that the pilots the people that got the food ready the like it's a whole community there's like four thousand people on this big ass ship and the craziest thing to me is that that the average age was like 19 years old. These are young people that are essentially joining the

military to allow us to do what we get to do. And that's talk stupid shit on this stupid camera in this dumb microphone. So like it's because of those people that fight for our freedom, that sacrifice their freedom so they can go out and fight for ours. That's class act. My grandpa served in the Navy. You have some family that served. So, you know, big military podcast. Shout out to all the fallen soldiers. That's what Memorial Day's for. And it's, it's kind of the kickoff to summer. You know, Memorial Day is the kickoff to summer. Not summer quite yet, June 21st, but it is the kickoff to summer. And it's also like when you expect to weather to be above 70 degrees every single day. And if it's not, say if it's like 50 and rainy here in the New England area,

you get pissed now it's fine that it's cold like in april beginning of may but once memorial day hits and that weather drops you get angry it needs to be 70 plus every day now and sunny and let me tell you it just feels better feels better it just pops up here when it's sunny because it's not sunny for about eight months around here seven months and when it is who it feels like florida during spring break it does it does that's why i love it up here at this time so so rob you were uh i would I watched on TV on Fox, the Indianapolis 500, one of, you know, our favorite race events. Mm-hmm. Right in Indianapolis, I think three million people go to that thing.

It's like the biggest sporting event in the United States of America, which people don't really realize if you're not a race guy. Well, it's actually the biggest sporting event in the whole entire world. Oh, shit. For one given day. There has never been a sporting event besides the Indy 500 where there's over 350,000 spectators. watching the race. And I would probably say over 400,000 people just around because then you got everyone that go and tailgate, you know, and they don't even have tickets.

So it's the biggest spectacle out there in the sporting event world. And it's phenomenal. It was my first time there for it. I'm telling you, it's amazing, Julian. Whenever you get a chance, you should go next year. And this year was the first time that Fox was airing the Indy 500. So I got to be a part of it because obviously I'm with Fox. they put me up to some duties.

I got to be the Grand Marshal of the Snake Pit. And I had absolutely no clue what I was getting into. They were like, hey, you want to go? You're going to be part of the snake pit. Then a week later, it's news all over the place that I'm the Grand Marshal of the snake pit. And everyone's hitting me up. They're like, bro, do you understand what you're getting into?

It's kind of like, what's that festival and like the Woodstock? It's kind of like Woodstock, but it's in middle of the lawn, you know, in between, you know, inside of the racetrack and there's going to be over 30,000 people there just going absolute bonkers and that's what it was. It was so much fun. Fox put me in a situation for me to thrive and succeed and I sure did, baby. I sure did. That's for sure. You know, that's good leadership by Fox. I mean, I saw the coverage. You were there. I saw Jeter was there. I saw A. Rod was there. Was Big Poppy there? No, Big Poppy wasn't there. Who else was there? Yes. Was Tom? Tom was there.

Tom was there. So Fox assigned us all to different duties. And clearly me being me, they signed me to the grand marshal of the snake pit, which made so much sense. Without a doubt. Yeah. And then you had stray hand there. Stray.

I mean, the guy can break down any situation at any given time, whatever it is. So they probably had him doing everything, breaking down the race because he has knowledge of everything. He can break down any situation. He can go from pop singer to scandal to. to NASCAR to indie to football to BTS like this guy knows everything. interviewing Bill Balochick. Interviewing Bill.

At his hottest moment last week. I mean, no one other. He can do it all. That's our guy. So not sure what his real duties were because I was busy being the Grand Mars of the Snake Pit when you're doing that, Jules. You don't really know what else is going on. But Tom was there as well.

I think he did a hot lap before the race. Not 100% sure. what Jeter's duties were. Yeah. But I heard him get announced. You got a big round of applause. Arod was there as well. I'm sure they were on TV breaking down some of the races and all that, you know,

talking to some of the drivers while I was doing my duties at the snake pit once again. I can't stop talking about it. You know, I was raging with the DJs, getting the crowd hyped. I was in the microphone, 30,000 people, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the snake pit. Everyone just erupted. It was, it was a cool. So everyone was erupting. What did they do when Tom's name was in?

I heard they booed them. They boot them. They boot them, which is, which is rude. Which is rude, but it's honestly predictable. Yeah, understand. Understandable. They couldn't beat them for freaking 30 years. Well, actually, that was one of my points I made when I was, you know, live in the snake pit.

I said, I feel like I'm at home right now because I've owned the Colts my whole entire career when I was on the Patriots. And when you own a team for so long, you feel like you're at home when you're in the city. And I hit them with that. But then I evened it out because I was like, well, the New York Knicks beat my Boston Celtics. And the Pacers are playing the New York Knicks right now. So go Pacers. So even it out. So they like me again.

I'm a genius. That's crowd work. That's how it would work a fucking crowd right there. And you know Robbie G knows how to work the crowd. No, but you remember we went to the Super Bowl and what was it, 11? We played an indie. Didn't we have, we had like a family event at the Indianapolis 500, which was fun. That was like our only taste of the Indy 500.

Awesome that you got to go. Talking about myself, what I did over the week. And I saw that you were Patrick Mahomes golf event. Yeah. Yes. What, what's the charity name? 15 for Mahomes. The home homies.

Mahomes. My homies. Yes. That's a really cool name. That's a pretty cool name. That is. It's clever. Mahomes.

I love, you know, when I'm talking to some. people sometimes and they're like, yo, yo, I'm a big fan of, instead of saying my homes, they say my homies. I've heard that before. I've heard that. I just started a laugh. I think it's really good. It's really clever.

And he should like amp up that nickname a little bit more. He should take it in. My homies is just great, you know, it really is. So how was that golf eventual? Spill the beans. Who was there? Who did you golf with? I heard Dola was there as well.

What was Dola doing there? I know he's a golfer as well. I know like he belongs there, but I'm saying, what was he? doing there was he having a good time spill all the beans jewels i don't know it was a standard event uh i saw kelsey trav was there he made an appearance patrick was there clearly i saw mr mahomes dapped him up i said hey man i'm with you over here uh i saw the fight against cruck or whatever that one dude and rocker um and then uh i wanted to see that fight go that i wanted to see i think he me too i think yeah well we let's not to get in that yeah that's but um also uh uh don't

Dola, you know, Dola was just dole around. AQ Shipley was there. He's awesome. Oh, Shipley. He's a man. I play with him for a year or two in Tampa. We found out like, I never really met him, but I watch him on the McAfee show. And I love his segments where they always breaking down the offensive line play and shit.

And it was cool to connect with him. He's who I talked to probably the most. We have the same birthday. Mm-hmm. Born in the same year, same birthday. So pretty crazy. Well, happy birthday month to, to you, Jules, to myself, and AQ Shipley, baby.

AQ Shipley. Awesome, dude. There was a bunch of dudes there. It was standard golf event. You know, a bunch of people with a lot of money, pay to play golf, and it was a scramble. Shadow Creek in Vegas, spectacular course. Like, everyone keeps on always saying Augusto. I don't know.

I heard that like a million times. Like, hey, doesn't this remind you kind of August? I'm not that smart, but I heard it like five times. people, they were, what is it called? Comparing. They were, that's a hard word. They were comparing to Augusta. But nothing like, you know, it was fun.

And it was for a great cause, 15th, 15 in my homies. I think he helps a bunch of kids that, you know, mentoring sports need sports equipment. Very awesome thing. And I know they raised a bunch of money. Always great to see that. Let's shift over to. Well, who did you golf with?

first. Who was in your foresome? I golfed with, uh, I golfed with this, these, uh, oil traders, you know, you know, money, big money. You know, the oil guys. All them, Texas guys, you know, they were talking about that oil. I had no clue. I said, hey, I'm a California tech guy. They said, um, yeah, buddy, you got to get into liquid gold. Mm-hmm. I said, what's the liquid gold? They said, that oil. I think oil is more than liquid gold. It's probably liquid platinum. Yeah, there we go. Now we're talking. Now we're talking. But yeah, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't, They were cool dudes. One of them was from New Hampshire.

They were all lived in Texas and they were all oil traders. It was a cool event. Great food. Well, talking about, you know, the golfing and the oil guys and being from Texas. One of my favorite shows right now is Landman with Billy Bob Thornton. Was he there? Did you get the golf with him? Didn't see Billy Bob Thorne.

Love Billy Bob Thorin and love his wife as well, while his ex-wife and Landman as well. You know, that's the same. same chick from varsity blues. Yeah, the one that put the whipped cream all over in her body as a bikini. Yeah, that was gnarly. Who doesn't know that? Well, if Billy Bob was there, I would have been infatuated to see what he would have been wearing because I've seen this guy doing the press tours.

You see, he looks like Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean. I've seen him with some hats and scarves and shit. And he plays like these like podunk dudes, but then he comes out when he does all this media and he's like super creative and like fucking pirity and shit like let's see look at this Billy Bob Thorne was there I love phloom right in jewels he's fucking Jack Sparrow he got a he on with the hat and all this shit dude but you got to be a cool dude to be dressing like that and he's a cool motherfucker and to be able to just change character like that at all times like the character that he has is landman does not represent him at all

the way that he is dressed there. That's when you know you are a legit actor as well. When you're the best of the best out there is when you can just be one guy one day, then just another guy, another gay. Before we get into our guys, we also should, you know, give a shout out to Jim Mersey. You know, he was a, I think he was one of the longest standing owners for the league, took it over from his dad when his dad passed. you know there's a lot of a beef between our organizations but you know we respect the hell out of

yes we do you know the colts and and and mr ursay he did a lot for this this league i remember him always being heavily involved in you know the lockout stuff and uh whenever you hear a colt player talk about jim ursay with whatever craziness you think it's all love it's all love i mean mackoffie went like an hour, two hours of his show just telling stories. That's how big of an impact he had on McAfee. I mean, he just seemed like a guy that people loved, the guitar collection. He had a he had a bunch of talents, weightlifter. So shout out to Jim Mersey. You know, we lost one. And he was a big key pivotal guy for our league into where it's going. So yes, rest in peace, Jim. Thank you for everything that you have done for the NFL. Thank you. Should we get into

some dudes. Yes, we shall. All right. Well, let's give us the AI summary. All right. Let's go. Our first dude. Standing six foot, one inch tall, weighing 248 pounds. This bruising fullback was selected 35th overall in the second round of the 1996 NFL draft.

He grew up in Hortiet, Illinois. Yeah. And starred at Purdue University. In the NFL, he was known for his punishing running style and versatility. He earned six Pro Bowl selections, a Super Bowl ring, and remains the all-time touchdown leader in Tampa Bay Buccaneers history. Let's get on Mike Allstop.

Oh my God. And Jules, what's the first thing that you think of when you hear the name Mike Allstop? For me? For me, though, real quick before you, like, I believe that he was bigger than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers organization. was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers organization at that time, you know, that era when I was growing up and watching him. And that's what, you know, the first thing that comes to my memory is that he's a Tampa Bay Buccaneer. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. How about you? For me, neckroll.

Mm-hmm. First thing. There we go. I like that. And then freaking boomer just going remember on all his highlights he go like this guy I mean just a bruiser and I just remember like he started out of his fullback and then he was getting tailback touches and he was producing crazy amounts of yards like the most north and south guy you can ever think of and if you were a white guy that was a lineman

you know what I mean white linemen that were like in high school I just always remember that they loved Mike Allstop because he was like the epiphany that maybe this is what it would look like if I got the ball. And you know what I mean? He gave so much hope to every freaking little white lineman that was like six foot 240 in high school that played fucking guard center or anything. Like, you know what? If I hit a gross spurt, I could potentially be Mike Allstate. That's the truth. Was he like a super superstar in college?

I know only about him when he was on Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but did he actually like get handoffs in college as well? Or did that start once he got into the NFL? I know because he was that beastly of a fullback. Like what was his style in college as well? Like what was his stats? All right. So he played a hundred.

Nope, that's his NFL stats. What was his college stats that got him drafted in the second round? Because being that beastly at the fullback position, he at least had to show some skill set that he could still run the ball as well, you know, at that fullback position. I mean, he had three yards. He had three seasons over all, 1200 yards.

He's got a fucking monster. That's why absolute savage in college as well. I never knew his college stats. 14 touchdowns back to back years. Over 1,000 yards. Three years. His junior year and senior year, 800 yards is a sophomore year. And as a freshman, he had like 200 yards.

So that's what got him drafted in the second round as well, because he was showing the ability that he could run the ball as well. his rookie year he had 65 catches. I mean, he was a great out of the backfield. He was a great out of the Tom Rathman-esque. Just overall, just a great back, including being a fall and a running back. He's a back.

Yeah, he's just a back. He could play in any era. Any era. He could play in any era. He could play right now. He'd be great right now. He would be. It would bring back that old school mentality.

Imagine him on the Baltimore Ravens right now with Lamar Jackson and Terry. And then he's the fullback. And then he else has the option handed off to him too. Yeah, they do. What's his name? Fullback Ravens, big boy.

He's the old defense alignment number, he's like 290 pounds. Ricard. Yeah. Ricard's a fucking monster too. He is. He's not a run. He can't run like all that.

He gets a couple here and there, the little laggles. Do you look at him? Just I'm going to get right into it. Do you look at him as the best fullback of all time? I think he's probably the best hybrid fullback of all time because you look at Neil uh that guy I mean he was the fullback for like

four rushing champs uh you know what I mean so Mike also that's the best fullback of all time as the complete running fullback the complete package I think he's the best running fullback yes of all time okay and I and I'm not trying to downplay his blocking because Warg done had some fucking yards with him as well but I'm just saying like Riggins was insane there was a bunch of guys that the fullback position. What he did is he revolutionized the fullback position. It used to be the fullback usually used to just get a concussion every day because he had to hit a linebacker 10 times in a row full speed or the detackle on a wham or a bet. You know what I mean? He's just getting concussions. He as in Mike Allsdot literally revolutionized it. We're like,

hey, maybe we should give this big ass dude the ball on a short yardage play. Started doing that. And then all of a sudden he starts running for fucking 55 yards jumping over dude blowing people up you know what I mean so it's hard to say he's the best of all time because the guys before it I don't think they got the opportunity like him which he earned that opportunity because he showed it in practice he showed that he had the speed and everything to be able to do it but he's definitely up there he's the best running fullback of all time I believe we'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go.

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Being more able to look to people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I love about Mike Allstate is that he just represents a football player as well. Let me see. This guy was a football player. Like if you had to describe a football player what a football player does, that's Mike Allstott. just the way he had no fear.

And I don't envy these fullbacks. I'm telling you that right now. I love blocking tools, but I love blocking a guy that's, you know, his hands down right in front of me right on the line of scrimmage. I'm talking,

these guys are tap, brother. I got two brothers that are full backs. No, I know. One played three years. The other one played about two years in the NFL. And the way that they just line up in the backfield, run five yards at a linebacker that has a full head of steam

running five yards as well and just has that big huge collision. It's like a car crash on a daily basis. I don't envy that. They're tapped to another level. They're special. It's wild that gene that they have that they want to do that. Like James Devlin, absolute savage as well. I just tried to call James.

We need them. Pick up, James. We're trying to call you. I'm trying to call him because he's a neck roll guy too. Neck roll. That's what you think of when you think of fullback neck roll. Daryl Johnson, don't forget him. So what people don't realize the fullback

throughout the week Wednesday Thursday which are the two hitting days we have these nine on seven practice drills where it's like you're it's just run game inside run game and I remember watching this

and every freaking play it's just Dante High Tower going full speed at James Devlin head to head combat every single play these dudes are fucking calcified their heads are cow that's what they do they hit they fucking

their bricks I wonder how he was in the weight room. Because I bet you he was just a fucking, like every foolback, they have dedicated weight room time. Well, you know, like whenever the foolback is in the weight room, it's like his weight room. You know, there's like a box of smelling salts. Their knees are wrapped. The elbows are wrapped. And I'm just talking off of like James Devlin and the guys that I play with.

But I can only imagine it's the same way everywhere. there's usually like a bottle of NO explode right before like right next to them so they could take a shot every time they're about to hit the squats like that's what the full back energy is i mean the guy trained by pushing a car 100 yards that's full back energy as well right there though uh a jeep oh there he is i remember that i fucking remember that and a jeep ain't easy to push man a jeep is an off-roading machine no like that thing you know it's technically a decent size car. So that's kind of describes Mike Allstott as well. He's like the off road Jeep, you know, that could also, you know, have some talent to maneuver on the highway and juke some dudes. And Allstop was the guy, like had the neck roll. He's a guy that looked like he could never juke a defender ever. Like he's just going to run over an opponent, which he did on a daily basis. But then all of a sudden and out of nowhere, this guy had footwork that looked like a running

back. And he would juke a safety, a defensive back. or a linebacker in the open field and go for an extra 15. It's like, oh, where did that footwork come from? Like, unbelievable that he had that in him. And that's what made him so great as a ball carrier as well. And then also what made him great, too, I feel like, yeah, he had those jukes. But when he was running over guys and blocking guys, this guy kept his feet moving. And they always emphasized that.

Great coaches, offensive line coaches, you know, tight end coaches when you're in the blocking game or when you're running at someone or when someone's trying to tackle. you keep your feet moving got it keep the high knees going and mike all stop was the perfect example of that if you watch his highlight film boom his feet were always rolling he never stopped him and that's what makes you great that momentum never stops and you just keep trucking over mofos and that's what he did you know what and hold on let me finish on mike i'll start real quick the greatest thing about him if you want to get the chills if you want to see what a true football player is you want to get amped up. You watch one of the greatest highlight films of all time, and that's Mike

Allstops. It is. It'll get the hair on the back. It'll get the hair on the back lifted. Now, I just had a thought in my head. If Mike Allstot was a car, I know what he reminds me of. He reminds me of the new escalade with the Z-O-6 engine in it where that thing, have you heard those fucking cars? It's the Corvette engine in the escalade. So it's got giddy up, but it's a big fucking piece of mass. And that's what he was. He was the escalade, the new escalade. We're fucking... It's a big piece of mass. It's a big car, but look at the horses under it.

Look at the engine. I think it's got a 6.3 supercharged Corvette engine. These things are fucking fast. My buddy got one. I don't even have a fucking escalator or anything. This isn't an ad or anything. This is just literally what I thought supercharged. Supercharged fucking 6.3.

That's Mike Allstate. Supercharged escalate. Maybe a little bit too fancy. No, no, no. Like you got to switch it up. Maybe I had some tires. to it or something that's still American. How about put some like, you know, like key the key to escalate a little bit, put some bruises

on it, some scars. Well, you just change the tires. You're not going to have rims on it. Once it gets dirty, never wash it either. Yeah. That would, uh, you know, represent a little bit more to the exact, you know, T. But okay, performance wise makes sense. I remember that game.

Go back. The two touchdowns in the division around versus the Niners in 2002, 17 carries 87 yards. 87 yards, two touchdowns, Bucks stomped the Niners, 31 to 6 en route to the NFC championship. Was that with Jeff Garcia? He'd have like only 87 yards, but you didn't see the third in four

or the third and two where he like just blew up four dudes and he'd have such great situational runs. Like he was, he is the perfect four minute back. Four minute being like the last four minute, it's a situation that we all play out in our head when you play football the last four minutes of the game how if you have a lead how do you sustain the time and take the time off the clock you have to have long sustaining drives but you also have to keep the clock running a guy like him would be a four minute fucking running backs wet dream and another trait that he had which

never's really been talked about because as a full back you usually don't have patience you're ready just to rip someone's head off and you're just to rip someone's head off and you're just ready to run with a full head of steam and just go take somebody out. And there's no patience. This guy had patience. Yeah, as a fullback. And that's rare because like I just said,

you're trying to run just full speed to just level someone. But with the ball in his hands, he let the play develop, you know, he was patience, you know, with the way that he ran. North and South.

He was patience. Good jump cut. Yes. Great jump. He was more north and south. But he just had that it feeling. for the game of football at the fullback position as well. You know what?

And people who don't realize that he was great out of the backfield catching the ball. I remember him watching him catch the ball a bunch too on those little wide routes. Him and Warg done on those double wide routes. Him and Warg done together were a great little combo. Warg done was one of my favorite little running backs too. And they, Ronde Barber on the other side, Derek Brooks. This was a fucking legendary team. John Lynch, shout out, fucking break your neck over the middle.

Like this was a, these teams. I'm glad Lynch didn't play when I was playing. Dude. So my rookie year. I would have been knocked out like four more times up that seam. And Tom wouldn't have cared. He would have still throwing me to ball. Like, oh, that's John Lynch.

I'll let Rob get, you know, leveled. John Lynch was, he used to murder people. Murder. I remember I did a thing with a, what's the sporting goods store out here? Models. I did a thing with Models. And on the clearance rack, it was like my rookie. year there is a bunch of John Lynch Patriots jerseys because he was on the team for like a camp

and so they probably ordered a bunch of jerseys I saw some can come pick it up and another thing that all start you know had in his tools is that which is actually the most important thing I feel like is leverage he knew that the game of football was dependent on leverage. Low man wins. He was the perfect size to get that leverage so he can blow up whatever defender he needed to or break a tackle And like to get low like that and underneath someone else's paths, he was the master at him. And that's kind of what made him. So like when you were in Tampa for that year, a couple years, did, was there like a All-Stat aura in there?

Could you know, did you know he was part of the organization? I mean, whenever he came around, you had that. He came around a lot? I'm not a lot. You know, Mike All-Stat. I know he's big in the community. Yeah. But, you know, he came around every once in a while.

but whenever he came around and I got to meet him, I was kind of in awe because like I said, Allstadt, one of the baddest ass football players to ever live. You know, you got to show respect to the ones that were before you as well. And he kind of is similar with the style I play, but I would say that he's even a notch above me.

And he did it at a higher level than me of that aggressiveness in playing the game of football, especially at the fullback position, which takes a lot more to do. but you feel that presence when he's around and you appreciate it and you're respected to the highest level now who's a mount rushmore of power runners let's get it give us a let's see what the power runners are because he i think he'd be in there riggins would be in there um who else can zonka larry zonka power runner wow what about the guy on the giants back in the day well when we

kids. Oh, love watching. Oh, Brandon Jacobs? Yeah, Brandon Jacobs, man. Or what about Peyton Hillis for that one year? Oh, Peyton Hillis. Yeah, he's definitely up there. He was on the cover of Madden for a year. I mean, Jim Brown was a fucking power runner. If you watch him, like he was the biggest, fastest man on the goddamn field. Like no one can, I remember him punishing people. Like Derek Henry. Derek Henry, definitely. Steve Ridley had it in him too. I loved when Rid was at full strength. That's what was it? his second year he went over 4,000 yards, but Red ran over a couple fools as well.

Remember the game in London? Yeah. At the time, the St. Louis Rams just put his freaking shoulder down. Just plastered the guy. Plastered him. Earl Campbell. He was a physical runner. You remember those forearm shots he would give,

guys trying to take him down. I would go Mount Rushmore of power runners. Ooh, this is going to be going hot in the comment. section probably um but you're you're putting running backs in there as well mike all thought was a full back but we're just going to combine them all because riggins wasn't just such a power of a powerhouse of a runner you got to go all right this i'm going to put i'll start one i'm going to john riggins to you there's only four spots you got two i'm definitely going to put mike austine up there that's let that you could take all stop yeah three i'm going to earl campbell i'm

fucking love Daryl Campbell as an lawyer earlier. I didn't love him. I just remember watching his highlights as a kid and he's blown full of it. I'm going to go with for the one year just overall. Oh, actually, no, nope, my mind just changed. Last one. I was going to give it to Payton, Hill.

It's just for the one or two years they had in Cleveland because it was absolutely absurd what he was doing. He was running on the Madden cover. That's how good of a year that he had. And he was running over our defense. Marshall Lynch. I'm going with Jerome Venice. The bus.

How can I not go with the bus? like that's all the guy did was run with power marshawn lynch was fucking powerful yeah fuck too especially late marshawn when he got a little bigger so many good ones it's hard to have a mount rushmore of power runners jewels who created this like this is stupid because they're all great what a rookie card on a on a heart what is it a harley that's when you know you're badass you're on the motorcycle looking like a stud you know filling out your chin just already eyeing down all the cheerleaders just you know during your photo shoot guy absolutely Lute stud. Those look like

22-inch arms too, dog. Those arm, and look at his forearms. I bet you he could hit a baseball. Looks like an actor there. He does. He looks like a beefy fucking Action Star. Looks like he blocks it in Top Gun. Yeah. You know what? He's a pilot. I don't, dude. He may be too big to be a pilot.

Definitely. Those little cockpits. Mm-hmm. Man. Love that he had frosted tips for a little while. Did he? I mean, that was fucking late late 90s, early 2000s. everyone did i mean erika iglesias brought that shit out remember that we all had this yeah the little spice tips actually i never mess with my hair ever before we's i wish i had spice tip i went to private school so we'd put like spray the shit in your hair and get in trouble mm-hmm all right what kind of dude is mike all stop i mean he's everything he's got dog tendencies he's definitely probably it was he

did he have dude dudes kind of vibes i mean when you're blocking your face off like that for your teammates You're always a dude, no matter what, no matter what. Whiz, he's kind of whiz. He innovated a fullback to be a tailback. There would be no Peyton Hillis if there was no fucking Mike Allstot. Freak of nature. He's definitely, I mean, he's absolute dog. He's also stud, though.

You see that? Yes. That rookie photo. That's exactly what I thought. I said, what kind of fucking guy has a rookie photo on a Harley with his goddamn forearms that are 18 inches? His biceps are 22. That's studly.

It really is. On three, one, two, three, stud. He really is. I mean, he, that's well-rounded. He's well-rounded. He was also the face of a team. There's no, like dogs aren't usually face. You can be a face of a team.

Face of a team that didn't even get much attention. But then went out and won a Super Bowl. Yes. Yeah, I mean, and he was a huge part of it. Can't forget Warren Sapp and the Derrick Brooks and that great defense, Dunday Barber Kiffin fucking calling Like they had some

Those were some great teams But everyone knew Mike Allstuff. You know, we were on the West Coast And that was like Tampa Bay Bucks Mike Allstop. Yes. All right. All right. Let's get in our next guy.

Let's do it. Got the AI summary right here in my hands Standing six feet, four inches tall and weighing around 250 pounds during his playing days. He grew up in Daily City, California. Shout out. And played college football at Cal Poly

San Lans. Lewis Obispo. Obispo. As an offensive tackle, he was drafted in the 21st round of the 1958 NFL draft by the Philadelphia. He goes, my mind was just blown because I just learned something, Julian. There was that many rounds in the NFL draft back then. They used to have a lot of rounds. Yeah.

How many rounds were there total? 30 rounds total? Yeah. That's absurd. That's absurd. I'm glad they knocked it down a little bit. That would be way too much if there was 30 rounds. It wouldn't even make sense.

It wouldn't even make sense. You better have large rosters. Oh, but was there less teams? Was there only like 10 teams? Is that why there was 30 rounds? They're just throwing out. It's like kind of getting drafted to go to the military. And if someone showed up, they showed up, then great.

Kind of. But if they didn't show up, well, he didn't show up. That's why we drafted 50 players to our team to share. If you got to go. That's when we know, they just didn't have it. You're going to draft 50 guys back then. The ones that don't show, we already know they don't have it. More like baseball, not military, but yeah, we'll take it.

And he went on to become one of the most successful head coach. coaches and NFL history, winning over 100 games and securing a Super Bowl title in 1977. After his playing and coaching days were over, his football intellect and natural charisma helped him become a legendary broadcaster, pitchman, video game pioneer, and cultural icon. Let's get on John Madden. John Madden. And Jules, what's the first thing that you think of when you hear the name John Madden? The turduckin. Oh, turduckin.

Who doesn't think of the turducken? This guy used to cut the damn turducken with his fingers, those big ass offensive line sausages that he had. He cut the turduckin on Thanksgiving, and he would reward the MVP of Thanksgiving Day with the turduckin turkey leg, chicken, whatever the thing is. Whatever leg it is, he would give it to him. We all know about it because of John Madden.

Thanksgiving, John Madden. Football when you watch it, John Madden. If you're a kid that's in his, 30s or lower or 40s, maybe even early 50s, taught you the game of football through his video game. John Madden is one of the most important names for the NFL. One of the most important names for the National Football League. I mean, you got kids out in Tokyo and Africa and India playing American football because of John Madden. Video game.

I don't know if that's actually true. I know it's the highest grossing American. it's a video game of all time. But, you know. It sounded good. It sounded good. That's all matters. That's all.

But, you know, he, Daily City, I love John Manon because he, he's a fellow college of San Mateo alum, go bulldogs, went to CSM, the same juco that I went to. He was born and raised in Daily City. So he had a huge Bay Area, Bay Area influence. And then he also coached the Raiders, legendary, got them their first, was it their first Super Bowl? got them their first Super Bowl with Al Davis with that cornerstone organization and the history of that organization to be the guy that brings them their first. I mean, he's just, he's an absolute legend. His name is synonymous with football. Here's a question for you being a California guy.

How did being a NorCal guy shape his approach to the game? That's a question I just do at you. I mean, it's not even just John Madden. How is just being a NorCal guy over? overall. I mean, John Madden set the standard, but like, how do that change the approach or how did he see it, you know, approaching the game, you know, just being from California? Well, if you look at him on and how he was on TV, very approachable, like, there's always the stories of how John Madden took the bus everywhere and was always big in the community that he was visiting, would be go up to people. He was like the most famous guy in football and he would go hang out at like the local restaurant. And I think maybe.

And that's what the NERCal-ness he has is being able to be a very intellectual dude, but be able to break it down to simple for everyone to understand. Kind of techie. Kind of techie. I mean, he's C++ and shit. There we go. That's the answer that we're looking for. And all of a sudden,

you know, you're, he's coding shit for you to understand. There it is. He's basically coding football for the regular viewer to understand. I mean, Daily City, the freaking cloudiest place in the world, but awesome, right by the SFO. Literally, it's the, it's like, that's why they're geniuses.

They don't go outside. They don't. It's cloudy. It's so cloudy. What's the point of going outside? There's no sun. You stay inside and you become a tech master. Tech master.

And that's kind of what he was. Well, in the Bay Area that you have this mountain range that is along the whole coast and it funnels all that fog right from both north and south, right into like daily city. And so Daily City always freaking foggy. Shout out Saromani. That's over there. Saramani was this mall where everyone would go get their Air Force ones. It was in Daily City.

Shout out. Is he the greatest broadcaster of all time? Greatest broadcaster of all the time. He was definitely one of the best broadcasters of all time. There's so many good broadcasters now, no doubt about it. I would say in that era and being that consistent for that long of a time, yes, you got to give it to him. I would say, right? Who would be up there in that competition?

There's a lot of great ones. I mean, I don't know. John Madden is the guy. But he is just the guy. And that's why he got the video game cover. Doink. Wap. Hey.

Wap. I like Wap. I want to say Wop. Wap. He used to go boom. Just the way that he broke down plays, too. Like you said, he invented the Telestrator. That's why he is who he is because you said it.

He made the game simple. And the game of football. is not simple. There's a lot going on, especially for you the quarterback. You got to know 15 things going on in a matter of a split two seconds. You got to know where the safeties are, who's blitzing off, what the defense alignment is doing, what your wide receivers are doing, what are the calls at the offense line position? And then when he broke it down, when John Madden broke it down on that little, you know, chalkboard or whatever he was doing. Yeah, he's the one who started that type of shit, too, to break it down with the fans. He made it simple for fans to understand the

game of football for people that don't play the game of football because it's hard to understand the game of football if you don't play it and if you can break it down easy it gets the fans more involved and that's also what made him so iconic is he got so many fans involved in understanding the game of football because he broke it down so easily and that's kind of how i am too i appreciate when it's simple joel's when when mcdainils was calling 50 calls at the line of scrimmage you got to do that when the blitzers i'm like no it's a lot for me you got to think i like one at six Simple. And McDaniels found that out too as my house of Corny. He's like, I'm just going to keep it simple for Grock. And that's when you thrive the most. So I appreciate John Madden for keeping it simple. You understand it and you can just go out there and do what you got to do. They call that kiss. Keep it simple, silly. My dad used to say stupid though. You ever meet John Madden. I didn't get to meet John men.

I never have either, but it feels like if we ever did meet him. Yeah, it's like you feel like you know, you're your good friend. You know what he also did? Like he brought in the telestrator. He brought in, you know, Madden. I remember hearing stories that they originally wanted to make it eight versus eight because they didn't have the technology to do 11 versus 11. And he was like, hard no.

If we're going to teach football, we're going to teach it correctly. He taught football. to the viewer. The Telestrator, what that did and what that showed was, that gave an inside look of how a coach coaches a player. You know, the great Telestrator coaches that we had. I had Scotty O'Brien where these guys would sit up there for 20 minutes and they'd be doing John Madden's shit.

All right, you guys, he'd draw like a butt here, a butt here. You've got to get up there going. These guys get on these Telestrators and they think they're fucking Picasso or something. And, you know, and it's, you know, but it brought the butt here. best out of them as well. It really did. It was a form of entertainment. And it was. And it made it broke it down simpler as well. And made it simple. And he was the first. John Madden was the first to show people. That's how we broke down film. That's how like probably in those days, they had overhead projectors where they would show. All right, guys, this is what we're doing.

And like that, that little thing right there is so huge. And now you look at like how they show games now. Everyone, every network is always trying to look for that new thing that's like, the telestrator with all the different camera angles the fucking camera that goes in behind and everything like all that stuff you could he's a pioneer a lot of that shit you know what i mean the madding game i mean i mean john madden so legendary they already have a movie coming out about john madden you got nicholas cage playing madden and i've seen some pictures of him he kind of looks exactly like madden i don't know how they do that nicholas cage is a skinnier guy and like what do they do fill them up with pillows yeah i mean when i'm body to fill myself

self up with pillows. I'd be in one corner. My brother would be in the other corner. We'd call it Zooms and you just get as big as you possibly can stuff as many pillows as you can. And then you would run full speed at each other and just crash right into each other. Kind of like Mark Allstop versus any linebacker and you would meet at the line of scrimmage. And then we would just go flying backwards. But our protection was the pillows. So that's what I guess Nicholas Cage is doing right now. Let me explain something to some people out there for all you people to think like, oh, I got a baby gronk in my house. Look at this kid's his form

of entertainment was running full speed into a wall with pillows, okay? Into another person, not a wall. Built different. Into another wall. You can't coach this shit. He literally, the former entertainment was playing hockey downstairs and

fucking running into each other with pillows. Full contact. Look at that looks like Madden. That's Nicholas Cage. Holy shit. Yeah. They got his titty. and everything. I'm going to be watching the movie.

You remember Matt he used to have man boobs. We all love Madden's man boobs. Would you have rather played for John Madden as, you know, with him being the head coach, or would you rather have been his broadcast partner? I'd rather play with him, played for him. I heard he was an awesome players coach. Yeah. I took a picture recently in a bathroom. I forgot where I was, and it was a quote of John Madden. He goes, guys what was it it i think it was like you can't break if you don't make a lot of rules guys can't break them it was something like along that line didn't i send it to you guys the fewer the fewer rules a coach has the fewer rules there are for players to break keeps it simple keeps it simple

because the rules that he has probably get fouled so well because there's not so many rules and i think he did only have three rules what were they they were simple beyond time pay attention this is like kindergarten i love it yeah i could have thrived i could have gotten an a you know playing for john madden back in the day and play hard when i tell you i like that so what if he doesn't tell you to play hard you don't have to play hard you're you're probably just playing your game but then like when he really needs like that team to step up his team step up to another level brings him in the huddle hey motherfuckers need you guys to play hard right now and whoop the motherfucking asses and then they go out there and play hard i bet you he had he probably had some great like pregame speeches i mean the guy knows

how to talk savvy savvy and it was like oh he's like entertaining talk like the booms and you know he would come up with names and he would like he analogized the regular man shit to like i really look up to people like John Madden that just have that wittiness to them. There's a lot of people like that. Greg Olson has a stray hand has it. You know, Terry Bradshaw has it. Like you put them in any situation and they can just be witty with whatever's going and figure out a way to explain what's going on or a way to ask a question of what's being

evaluated right there. John Madden had that. The words he would come up with, the way he would explain things, you got to be born with that trait. I mean, you can develop it a little bit. I got it in a way, like, but they have it to a whole nother level. And it's like, I envy it. I love it.

I love what they just do. And John Madden had that. And that's what made him so great as well. And that's what made him such a great speaker and a guy to explain the game and broadcaster and coach because you can relate to people when you can, you know, speak like that. And I, I love, I love people like that. And it's crazy.

He's one of the, he's the only, he's the only broadcast. to go on the four big networks, NBC, CBS, ABC, and then going to Fox. He did all four. He did the big four. That's when you know you're good. Hearing old stories from Shanks, one of our bosses at Fox, he used to say that like, John basically gave the template of how we're going to call the game. And it was basically like a play sheet of like how you would prepare for a game.

like the information groups, like building a scouting system. There's, he taught the people on like what information he wanted to see like what the coaches request for all the film guys for when they're breaking down an opponent. I heard like he was a huge part of all that. I could be completely wrong and may have just thought that through my brain. But I remember Shanks talking about a lot about Madden. No, definitely. He was one of the first guys that brought in the interviewing.

with the players night before whenever you hear like oh we're talking to this guy you know like that was john madden and that's a true inside perspective into the game is when you get inside the heads of the player and john madden started that like you said and that helps you out in the booth as well and it gives you know a better perspective to the fans it's in the game all right before we get on though and figure out what type of guy he is jules i got a question what was your best madden rating I don't know. Yeah, you do know. I really don't.

Come on. You don't know? I was in the 90s. I'll tell you mine. You were a 99 clubber. Yeah, I was a 99 clubber, baby. That's why I asked you that. So I can boost my ego up a little bit.

99 clubber a couple times as well. What was I? I don't think I really deserved it like one of the years, but I was a 99er a few times. My best. What was my best? 95. 95. That's not bad.

95 is really good overall. It must have been your speed that. knocked you down. Yeah. Your quickness is definitely a 99. Should be elite. What's your speed? What was your 40, by the way?

4-48. Oh, that's not bad, actually. 4-5-1. Yeah. But your quickness is just through the roof. Through the roof, Jules. 95 overall. That's not bad.

You run a cover? Mm-hmm. What year? 12? 11? You're on the cover of Madden? Yes. Yes.

You've been on so much cool shit. I forget half of it. Yes. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. It was really cool, man. I think it was 2017. You didn't get hurt after the curse was gone.

It was. It was gone. I forgot the guy before me broke it. Who was on it the year before me? Oh, I do remember that. But yeah, I was gronks biking on the cover. I mean, it was special, dude. It was really special to be on the cover of Madden.

So I just want to give a big shout up to John Madden for creating Madden and giving me the opportunity to be on the cover. And it was special, dude. It really was just. to, you know, it's an honor. Be in that category, you know, to be recognized like that.

You know, that was one of the coolest things that happened to me while I was playing, you know, in the NFL, it really was. Hell, yeah. I mean,

that's a huge honor. And I didn't know my score, but like, I remember back when we were playing, we all looked at our score. I knew I was on a high 90 of some sort, my best.

But, like, that was a huge thing in the locker room. I mean, you got guys that like, what the fuck, man? That's all they care about now. That's all they care about is their goddamn Madden rating. I mean, what was it? The New York Giants, they were, uh, or was it the Jets? They were cutting guys based on their Madden score.

I mean, that's what they said. Yeah. I mean, the grandson was running it. Yeah, I mean, that, that just shows how influential. Yeah, influential and how legit Madden is. Let's get into what kind of dude is John Madden? I think this one's easy. Easy.

I mean, he's definitely a stud drafted in the 20th round. Maybe a freak. We all see the man boobs. That's out of love. Definitely had some dog in him because I've seen a mother F some people. You see a mother F in the old footage. He used to yell.

And he used to remember he used to have all those great commercials. He used to have a lot of great commercials. He's definitely a dude. But I think it's easy what he is. It is. On three, one, two, three, whiz. Why do you think he's a whiz? He's a whiz.

I mean, like you said, he broadcasts for all, you know, four of the major stations. He was a head coach. He was a player in just the way he broke down games. You got to be a smart and intellectual guy in order to do that. And I would say that's his number one aspect of who he was was just his knowledge. And when you got that knowledge, you're a whiz. He literally got inside the game, as EA would say, because of John Madden. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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Let's go. Jules, Grunk, Sam from Northeast Ohio here. My hottest sports take is this. The Ken State Golden Flashes football program is a million times better than the Arizona Timed Kittens football program. past, present, and future. Hey, Grunk, the Wildcats,

more like the mild cats. You know what? I can't argue that. Who the fuck is this guy? I think that's a great take. I know you're not going to argue that. And I know you think that's freaking gonna be a good take.

I think that's one of the worst takes of all the time. You guys are having so much fun in Arizona. Can't even beat the Buffalo Bulls where I grew up right down the street. I think I was. I was over three years. When I, when my friend, when I got to Arizona, my friend, Pete Bittner was

offensive alignment and he won the Mac. Kent State was nowhere to be found. And that was in like, oh, wait, you got that James Stark as the running back. The only reason why I knew about Kent State was, well, once I got to meet you, you put Kent State on the map. And because that was just a team the Buffalo Bulls ran over. I got to give you credit. This guy fucking hot takes, pretty funny.

You know, a comedian thinks he's funny. peanut gallery, Arizona timid kittens. I mean, if you're talking about the sorority girls, then yes, he's right. He must have visited there and saw what it was all about and got caught up in that and forgot that. We have an all right football program. He's kind of right in that.

Our football program, very mild. I think this is what he's trying to explain. Let's hear it. What about our basketball program, though? What about ours? We've been to elite eight. I mean, we were in the sweet 16 the last four years. We went to Elite Eight.

in 2001, maybe three with Antonio Gates. But this is what he's trying to get to, Rob. This is what he's trying to get to. Okay. I know what you're going to say. Kent State. Oh, in the Mac. Have you been to Ken State?

Never have. All right. Northeast Ohio. We did. Great school. Great school. Love at Brick Street. Shout out to Brick Street.

You drink plenty of these Kores lights there. And I have my jersey hanging up next to Ben Ruffisberger. Miami of Ohio is in South Ohio. We're northeast Ohio. So you're right by a big-ass lake called Lake Uri. Okay. Well, Paul was like Erie too.

We just talked about Daily City being damn cloudy. Ken is probably cloudier. Okay. If Kent was in the beautiful desert with a lot of kittens running around like you talked about, I think that our team would be better. So that's what he's trying to say. With all your facilities,

the beauty of your campuses, the great weather that you have. He's basically saying you guys have a dog shit program because of that if you guys were to ever come and set foot in northeast Ohio, you guys would be 10 times worse than us. That's what he's saying. I got no more. Next call.

I didn't go to Arizona for the football program, buddy. Just put it that way. You like, we were three in ten the year I committed to Arizona. It offers Ohio State Clems. They were all top two. in the world in college football. I went to Arizona. Not because the football program was, you know,

ranked top 10 every year. Well, I went to Kent State because we invented the plasma TV. Well, we have a very good NASA program. We send a lot of rockets to space. We're top five in fashion programs. We have a top 25 business school that I was in. Then I dropped out because my brother was in it and it looked really hard. So I dropped out to marketing and science.

Well, you're not going to beat this one. Yeah. Kent State on my official visit told me, We have a top two tasting tap water in America. While talking about top two tasting things, I learned what jungle juice was because of the University of Arizona, and that's a top tasting drink. Can't beat that.

Next call. All right. I knew Arizona was better. This season, Drake May will be a top five MVP candidate. Oh, man, these are some hot takes. That last take was hot. This one's even hotter, I think. Pump the brakes.

Pump the brakes. Drake May is a great quarterback. Has a good team around him now. I can see him being a top five candidate for MVP in the future, maybe year three, four, five or something along those lines. But he's not going to be a top five candidate this year. I mean, Stefan Diggs is a great, you know, addition. We still don't know how he's going to be coming off the ACL surgery. Sure, it looks great. And all right now.

He had coming off the worst line last year, you know, new head coach with Vrable. Obviously, everything looks great. but to be a top five candidate in MVP, pumped the brakes too soon. A little too soon. He's well on his way becoming a good football player, a good quarterback.

You can't throw in great yet. No. You know, it's just, there's too many variables in this sport. Yes. For him to just have that crazy of a league. New offensive coordinator, so he's going to be juggling new protections,

new calls, new language, new players to get used to. Now you expect Drake to be a lot better this year because he's got a year under his belt. He knows the area. He knows the team. He's a little more comfortable. Now it's up to him to go out and he has to learn again.

He's got to learn a new system again. He's got to learn a new this again. He's got to learn his new players again. So this is all part of the process of building this kid. But let's pump the brakes. Let's just try to make the playoffs before we talk about MVP. Mm-hmm. Next question.

I think the addition of George Pickens to the Cowboys team is single-handedly the reason the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl this year. This guy has definitely drank way too many course lights. I mean, he's out of his mind. He's probably 25 beers deep. He's got to be. If just the addition of George Pickens, I mean, there's so many other things that the Cowboys had to address. And they had one of the worst off seasons of all time this year that they're saying, I mean, just because you add a, a talented player doesn't mean you're going to be that much better.

They had a great wide receiver group last year. And they didn't even make the playoffs. They got worse from the year before. But no, I don't think that makes them a Super Bowl team this year. Yeah, I think the best you've gotten out of Dak Prescott is when he's had a really good running back. And he could be a play action quarterback. I think George Pickens is going to help.

He's going to be help on the X. He's going to help C.D. Lamb, who can break the end. intermediate part of that coverage, and you got Pickens going down deep. He's going to be able to make 50-50 balls. He's going to be able to make those back-shoulder catches. But, you know, when they're trying to win a game, four-minute offense, they don't have Ezekiel Elliott. They don't have one of those guys that they can give the ball to with their new fresh

offensive. Ezekiel Elliott in his prime. In his prime. You know what I mean? But that's when these guys were really good when they had Zeke and they had who was the guy, Pollard, who was playing really well. When they've had a really good running back, that's when the Cowboys have been really good.

And that's when Dak has been really good. Amen to that, Jules. I like the addition. Jules Madden right now. Well, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, Dak will be able to, Dack's got the personality to be able to handle both pickings and CD, because those guys, you know, those are some, those guys want the ball.

Mm-hmm. You know, and it's tough for a quarterback, but I think if, They got to get a running back. So let's pump the brakes on the Super Bowl. Last one. Here we go. What's here? I love these hot takes.

Who did they don't beat damn saints? Aaron Rogers may not want to come down here. I don't want your ass anyway, pal. Whatever quarterback's starting for the saints throwing a thousand more yards than his ass. You can print that. All right. Well, first off, you said Aaron Rogers may not want to come down here while he doesn't. It's not maybe.

There's not even like our question. Is he going to possibly come down? He's not going to stay there. He's too old to live in Louisiana. And he's too old to play for the Saints. And your hot take, whatever quarterback is starting for the Saints, if Aaron Rogers does even play this year, if he does, he may retire. That's why he hasn't signed with a team. He's still contemplating.

I mean, some shit going on too. Good for him. I mean, the guy deserves it. He's in his 40s, played this long. That's the start of a player. He can do whatever he wants. Take however long you want to take. But if Aaron Rogers does sign with an NFL team, probably the Pittsburgh Steelers, preferably, I prefer that as well because they would make the NFL that.

that much better and it would make that fusion fun as well. He will not throw for a thousand yards less than New Orleans Saints quarterback. No, he's going to throw for more. Who's they drafted someone, right? Who is the Saints quarterback?

You don't even have a quarterback. That's why you're mad. Tyler Slong. The guy will be too busy playing with his dingling because that's his name. Kellyn Moore? Can you get him right? I mean, this

Look, you can say what you want to say about Aaron Rogers. He was looking pretty good at the back eight of last year when his Achilles started to feel good. You know, so I'm not saying any of those. No chance. No chance. And Rogers is going to throw for more yards than the New Orleans Saints quarterback. If he plays.

If he decides that he wants to play in the NFL. I think so. I think so, too. I think it's going to happen. He better. He better. He better. I like when Aaron's in.

Yeah, it makes it better. Even though he was, even though the Jets had the worst year, it made the Jets that much better to talk about. Talkable. And to watch the, even make it watchable. You would ever watch the Jets? No, it made it watchable. Oh, the Patriots are playing the Jets. It's Rogers quarterback.

Let's watch the Patriots with Jets. Aaron Rogers has that. He has that. It factored to bring in the fans, bringing the crowd, be talked about. And if imagine just him on the Steelers. I mean, Pittsburgh's going to be involved big time. Everyone, all the, guys are going to be on him in Pittsburgh. Everyone's going to be ecstatic there. The whole outside

world, too, is going to be watching. And every Pittsburgh fan's bitching a moan about it. Once Aaron Rogers goes there and they may start like two, three and oh, they're going to love them. If you win in Pittsburgh, they love you. It don't matter. Um, yeah. It doesn't matter what you do off the field in the locker room, what you're doing while you're taking a dump. If you win, you're loved in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh loves you. Yeah. That's, that's the goddamn truth. I kind of like any NFL city. Yeah, but that's like to another level. Yeah, Pittsburgh loves football, man.

Yeah. All the freaking Pittsburgh people went to Kent State. So I saw them all right. Oh, I was, I was, where was I? At the Indy 500 yesterday, some Pittsburgh fans, oh, go Steelers. I said, I'm made of more steel than your old city. And they loved that, you know, just the way I said it. And then they looked at me like, you're right.

He did dominate us. You were made of more steel. I was like, that's right, buddy. I got them. The most level. guy. Yeah. Goes and talk shit to steal.

Yep. Rob, you're right. You're right. Guy didn't argue anymore. Didn't argue. Told them I made of more steel than this whole city. And that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light.

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Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, here we go again. We'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends like Bill Nye, Lily Singh, and Pete Buttigieg, To talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future.

Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day. My fellow Americans, this is Liberation. Day. Stories that move markets. Chair Powell opened the door to this first interest rate cut. Impact politics, change businesses. This is a really stunning development for the AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County. Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls

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