Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on NHL: Brad Marchand and Tyler Seguin

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

The Cup is in the building! In honor of the Stanley Cup Final, we're talking about two of Rob & Jules' NHL bros on today's show. We get into the legend of Brad Marchand in Boston and what it means to be a great pest. Then, we get on what makes Tyler Seguin so cool and so elite. We Dude Rank all of the major trophies in this week's Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. And did we mention The Stanley Cup pays us a visit?!Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Crazy. Just kidding. We are joined here by the Stanley Cup here in the Nut House, Boston Edition, a little special NHL edition dudes on dudes. We, this is, I mean, we got people in here with loves. There's six people with AK-47s outside garden this thing. This is like having royalty in the Nut House. It's crazy. For you guys who are on, on their audio. We have Sir Stanley Cup just sitting right here in the Nut House here in Boston. I mean, we got a special day today. Me and Jack Hughes, you don't talk on dudes on dudes. So just shout out dudes on dudes fans. But I'm, I'm speechless. I don't have anything else to say. I'm speechless. Yeah. Royalty is in the building. You know what the best thing about it is?

Lay it on me. There's freaking countless dudes names on this. Every trophy needs to be like that. I look at this. I see just a group of studs. I see a bunch of dudes, dudes. I see a bunch of dudes. I see some dogs, couple freaks. I saw a whiz on there too earlier. There's some whizzes. And remember guys, the Stanley Cup starts June 4th on TNT. Man, that coverage has been great. Yeah, they're awesome.

This is funny. I can't wait to see him in little Brad Mershawne's little fucking fuse. Yeah, Marcy's in it. Merchie's nose face killer. Marcy got to take him that one more time. Oilers versus the Panthers. Connor McDavid. Conor McDavid.

McJewis, get it done. And your boy from the Four Nations? Matthew Kachuk. Kachuk. Four nations. Dude, there's a lot. There's a lot going into this. Are we rooting for Marshie?

I got to root for Marsche. I got to root for Mershey. I know this. Everyone's like, oh, McChisysys needs one, this, that. Nah, dog. I'm going a little nose face killer. A little pest dog.

All day, that little ball of eight. Let's go. A little dude that I used to dab up on the side of the Celtics games. You know, hey, what's up? What's up, dog? Let's get into the show here. All right, let's get into the show. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes.

I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grunkowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. It's Stanley Cup playoff time. So we're talking about two of our favorite NHL dudes, Tyler Sagan and Brad Marchand. What are we going to talk about with them? How weird it is to see Marshaun in a Panthers jersey? The Panthers might go out win this thing.

He might help him repeat this year. Tyler Sagan and some of the stories from our old Boston days. We were having too much fun. I think Coach Belich had. him traded because he was influenced us. And what if we played hockey? You have to be playing since you were a kid because it takes that much skill to be able to compete at that high of a level. And then we wrap it up with dude ranking of all the major trophies on this week's chillest dude of the week presented by Coors Light.

That's a good one. You don't want to miss it. Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. NBA NHL season right now popping right now this is like the prime time

for those sports it really is throughout the regular season I really don't watch the NBA I really don't watch the NHL I played hockey growing up I love hockey crazy slap shot I played basketball growing up

yeah I had actually one time I scored 11 goals in one game and it was because of my wrist shot I could like I was the only one that was able to at that age it was like 10 years old. I was the only one able to lift the puck up. So I just lifted it up and the goal he couldn't stop it because he's never seen it before. So I had like 11 goals in one game before. We were down 10-1 and we ended up tying 12 to 12 and then we lost 13 to 12. It was a house hockey league

in Buffalo. So saying you scored 11 goals is like anyone from Buffalo that was legit. If they played in the, I'm the only one that was good, that good and actually played house hockey because my parents were like, no, it costs too much money. There's too many kids in our family. We can't afford you to play hockey. How is expensive? You're playing house and you're only getting driven five miles down the road and you're only playing that ice rink because we can't afford and we can't get you to the other

arena. So I was playing house hockey, which I love so much. I got a couple of Super Sunday victories as well. But the NHL in the NBA, when it hits playoff time, I become the biggest fan. It just ramps up to a whole other level. They play so much harder. It's kind of like regular season football, but just for the playoffs in the NBA and the NHL.

And I understand why they can't play that hard throughout the regular season. They got 82 games. That's a lot for what, hockey, 82 games for hockey. How many for NBA 82 as well? It's 82 for both. I mean, that's crazy.

Think about NHL and NBA. They both start with N. They both. are basically the same start time. They both end with the regular season at basically the same time. Playoffs all line at the same time. And the Stanley Cup and NBA championship finals

are basically at the same time as well. And they both just cruise in regular season and they both ramp it up at playoff time. So they're very similar, but totally different games. My favorite similarity that you just came up with on that. Yeah. Was that they both start with N.

Thanks, J-L. That was... N-H-L and B-A. I mean, fuck. I'm a genius. I didn't think about it. I'm a genius. Like the last episode we did, I think last week, Rob likes to kiss. Keep it simple.

Yes. You know, it's just keeping it fucking simple. Yeah, I agree with you. When the playoffs come for these two sports, and I put baseball on that because they have such long seasons. It's super hard to stay mentally invested all year long because if you miss one game, it doesn't matter. They got like three more coming right next day, you know? And also, you don't see this very much in football because you can't, the only difference is in football when you go half speed, you get hurt. That's why football is always balls to the walls. I mean, there's a little,

like there's probably 10% 15% difference from regular season to post season. But when you look at these sports, I mean, the competitive stamina that you have to have to be a professional basketball player or professional hockey guy, like these hockey guys, I've gone out with them before games. They'll drink like 16 pints of beer. And then they get up like five hours early before the game, go hit the ice and like nothing ever happened. There's something in the fucking Canadian or hockey playing

blood. They're built different. They are built so different. And then basketball dudes like this basketball in the playoffs is the funnest basketball to watch because of the physicality. I feel like the refs have swallowed the whistle a little and it's been really fun

to watch and it looks, I mean, SGA just won MVP. It's the first time like this is a guy with that midrange. It's kind of looking like you know, 15 20 year basketball, ish, ish. I don't want the basketball heads to get all that. I want KG. KG might see this and fucking yell at me or beat me up. He's going out. He's attacking everyone that has a hot take about the NBA. I hope he does. I hope he does. I'm your security. I'll protect you. Paul. Paul, I'm a joke. This is a joke you two over there. I see you guys. I'm watching your

fucking show. I love it. I love it. I love it. They're the past. Kevin Garnett is. I love him. Paul P. together. They have a great. That show is awesome. But getting. back into basketball and hockey. SGA just won MVP. Now, how many consecutive international guys is this? My favorite player has been winning like the last three out of the four. He just lost. He took second place. Nicole Jokic. This is the seventh year in a row that an international player came into this country and was voted the most valuable player. Now, what do you think Naismith saying there up in heaven. What do you think Naismus saying? The guy who invented this fucking place, he's probably buried in

Springfield Mass where the Hall of Fame is. Right down the goddamn road. Let's just take an hour trip. Go see it. I don't know. It's crazy to me. Where's our Americans? We need you, aunt. We need you. Okay. This is bigger than you. It's not like you can't. We need you. All the kids in the schoolyard's. Jason Tate him. We need you. that's my basketball player man but he may also be saying hey look how much my game has grown you know it's just not in america anymore look at it's european we got australia players coming over we got players from china coming over yalming yamang that's who i was getting to love them guy was so massive that he just had to retire because his body just couldn't handle how massive he was

so massive six nine yeah seven nine yeah seven nine Six-nine. Seven, like four. I know six-nine is always in your mind, Jules. That's like my height. He's like seven, nine, seven, ten. Seven, six. Yeah, he made Shaq look tiny, young.

I know. But the game has just grown internationally so big. And that's why these players are getting, you know, broke off, you know, I mean, SG is about to be paid $72 million a year after winning MVP. And if he signs the max deal with Oklahoma City, I mean, $72 million a year, the game has grown. And also, maybe this is why.

international players may be winning it because they got a different style of play that they bring over to america bring to the NBA and we really americans don't know how to defend it like the euro step you know that type of change i feel like hasn't maybe that maybe i don't know the european guys are playing more physical basketball now because everyone in the three everyone in america shooting the three now at the a u's and shit they don't play real basketball when when you know when jokic and fucking luca we're playing pro basketball at 15, they were playing organized team basketball, and now they're even more physical a little bit. You know what this makes me think of?

What's that? 2025 Olympics. Is this what going to happen to the National Football League when our fucking top 10 flag football players from the NFL go out and fucking dominate the world? We're going to start getting Chinese people, Japanese people, more German people. We got a few Germans in there. You start getting more international people involved in football because we're naturally going to draw eyes. everyone loves flag football.

Yes. It's the fastest growing sport for females and it's a huge growing sport worldwide. Once they see how dominant America is with guys that don't even play the sport, it's going to draw their eyes to the National Football League.

And maybe. And maybe we'll get an MVP from a different country. Yeah, but not, it's going to take at least a decade because it's going to put them on a high alert, like all these motherfucking Americans they're whipping our ass.

It's from any other country in this world besides, America. It's every country combined. Ah, the motherfucking American. This guy not even a real quarterback in the NFL and he's whipping our ass. He's throwing five touchdowns on our against our Olympic flag football team. They absolutely dominated. And then they're going to be like, oh shit.

Like how about we start having camps, football camps and Germany? How about Australia put some football camps on the Chinese? They're going to have, instead of sending their guys to military, they're going to be sending them to flag football camps just so they can compete with us Americans, you know, at the Olympics, you know, because 2028, we're going to dominate. We're going to dominate the Olympics at flag football. 100 million percent we are. I got a question.

Name another person out there in this world that can guard Tyreek Hill, that can guard Justin Jefferson. That's outside of the NFL. Or what about a receiver trying to open up Patrick Serfant? Exactly. I don't know the rules. So everyone's been saying this. The rules, it's five on five, 70 yards by 25 yards.

field two, all right, two 20 minute a half. But I don't understand like the physicality aspect because you might, we might get a lot of penalties because I don't know if you can hand check at the line of scrimmage like these guys, you know what I mean? What can you do? We got to learn the rules before we start talking hell of shit about this. Right. There should at least be a lot of, allowed somewhat of contact at the line of scrimmage because

that's all about the game of football to get open. You got to have a release. If there's no such thing as, you know, a release at the line of scrimmage, it takes away from the game of football, you know, if you can't be physical as a. defensive back right at the beginning. So there has to be some physicality allowed, probably within a yard or two of the line of scurbage. But after that, then yeah, you probably can't have too much physicality. But I love the, you know, the game of flag football. Being able to grab the flag, absolute dominates two hand touch because it's a skill to grab the flag as well. And you can juke.

You can show your quickness as well. Can't flag guard them. Yeah. No, you can't flag guard because that's cheating. Like it's, it's really easy to protect your flag. But as a runner, in space, this is where you would elevate jewels. You would absolutely dominate it in your prime. Would you've played in your prime? I mean, I'm not even in my prime and I want to play. Yeah. I feel like I would be used in the red zone. This is where like my red zone skills would come. The easy button would just come out. Because whoever is guarding me from another country, I'm huge in whatever country I go to. I don't even need to be able to run.

I can run half speed and whoever is a quarterback if it's apparently Tom like I saw an article the other day Tom Brady is coming back at 50 years old because he's going to be 50 when the Olympic start if it's Tom as a quarterback which I can see him playing quarterback there's a rusher you got to be able to move there's a rusher yes uh yeah he can't move he's out no just kidding he can maybe juke and jag a little bit out quick but I don't know I don't know the rules he can just toss it up and I don't even have to jump I'll just be that much bigger than the defender guiding me and I'll just grab the ball for a touchdown. So I could be used within the 10 yard lines, but the guys that are receivers out there right now,

they're the ones that are going to be used in the field and just be going deep and doing all the ink cuts and all that good stuff. That's not me anymore. You know, we could get a similar output. I mean, all these basketball guys, to bring it back to the international MVP's, this is all coming a few decades after the dream team and how the impact of making the dream team for the NBA with Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Chuck,

Barkley, all the greats, you know what I mean? When they went and traveled, I don't even think they called a timeout. Their dominance, their pure dominance was so crazy that probably some little Giannis or something, those kids, their parents saw these guys like, damn, we got to get these guys in this sport, you know? So hopefully flag football

does the same to American football for the international to grow our game internationally. I think it's fucking, it's awesome. I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited. And our game is the most excited. been for the living in years. And our game is grown at a tremendous rate overseas.

It is. People overseas love our game. If I, you know, sometimes take a little vacation, it's not like I can walk around and everyone knows me like in America, but like there every once in a while, like one out of 15 dudes come up to me and they're like, they speak in their different language and they're like, oh, my God, Grunco, love football. And I'm like, wow, you're the first guy, man. I love to take a picture with someone international.

So our game is growing at a great rate, you know, all the way from Brazil to Europe. in London, even to Australia, there's going to be a game there next year, not this year coming up, but the year after. And I was just in Australia. And I can walk around totally easy, but there are fans out there that recognize me. And they love the sport. And they say, oh, my gosh, all my friends are starting to know the game of football. We all love it.

I try to introduce them to it. And they love it once I do. So the game is growing at a high rate. But having the Olympics and flag football, it's going to grow even at a faster rate. It's crazy. Mexico, Mexico, like any, if I'm in another country, it could be in Europe. Europe, someone from Mexico will come up to me every time. It'll be like a red-headed Mexican dude. Hey, are you, Julian Urban? We're in, we're in freaking Spain? Where are we at right now?

Yeah. We were in like Germany or something. Every time. It's crazy. I was in like, where was I, Israel here, frigging Amsterdam, a Mexico city person, always traveling. It's always finding me out there. Or Germans. Germans love football or Mexico? They do. They do. Well, we. And Brazil a little bit. Well, we played in Mexico like 10 years ago in Mexico City. So it started expanding the game in Mexico. Well, what's cool is actually I have a Tostitos commercial in Mexico that I never even seen before. Like that's the coolest thing about, I would say about all out of all my commercials I have is I have a Mexican Tostitos commercial where I speak Spanish, the whole entire commercial.

And who's also in it is the Diane girl. the MVP 7-on-7 flag football superstar Diana. She's in the commercial as well. Shout out. Yeah, shout out to Diana. Shout out to Dositos. Shout out to Mexico for just letting me be a part of your culture and shooting a commercial in Mexico.

Let's go over some of the new rules, the rules that were at the league meetings that were talked about. Tush push. Still in effect? Well, I'm glad it's still in effect. Me too. I was actually just in Orlando at a convention. and I was hired by a Brazilian company, Mignau.

And it was all Brazilian people. And they would love football. They did too. There was, literally, there was Colombians, that part of the commercial. There was a couple Americans. And it's a technology company. They do all the technology behind AI. They all knew football to the T.

And Jet just shows how much it's expanding. And they go, what do you think about the tush push? I said, if the tush push got banned, Brazil will go bankrupt. up you get it i had them all laughing the tush pushes in brazil we need that tush push to survive jules we need that to to always be there in brazil and the way i said it um it was good it was they liked it you didn't get it you know because they got a lot of tush out there in brazil exactly it's it's it's a great country yeah but then i told them what and then i explained really why i was like, okay, the game of football is, hey, there's rules. There's illegal, you know, formations.

And if you're doing it right, and if it's a legal formation and it's your best 11 guys versus their best 11, the goal is to come up with it with a situation, a formation to move the ball forward and gain yards. And it's your best 11 versus their best 11. And the tush push is totally legal. And that's what you're supposed to do. It's kind of like Jim Kelly with the two men. in a offense when he created that in Buffalo. And no one could stop it. And everyone was flipping out. Muddle huddle.

Yeah. And no one could stop it. Well, eventually someone's going to be able to stop it. The defenses are going to adjust. The defenses are going to be able to figure it out and practice it. Well, that's the same thing with the tush push. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they figured it out. They stopped the tush push on their, uh, when it was, uh, what, on the Philadelphia

Eagles were going in on the two yard line and they stopped it. Well, teams are eventually going to. to stop it. You don't have to ban it. Teams are going to figure it out. Like I said, just like they figured out the two minute drill with Jim Kelly. And it's the best 11 versus their best 11. So I don't believe it should have ever been banned. And I'm glad it wasn't. No, definitely not. Now wait. So Eagles, Ravens, Patriots, Browns, Lions, Jags, Dolphins, Saints, Jets, Titans. All voted against banning it. They said no. Voted four. We want to. Yeah. And you needed 24 votes, I believe, in order to it and there's only 22 votes to ban it.

And those are the teams that didn't ban it. So that's why the tush push is still alive. And we're going to still see it. And Brazil is still going to be booming their economy. Booming. Yes. If you want to stop the tush push, just don't let the team get in third and one. Yeah.

There you go. Just win first and second down. And then, all right. Like we're changing strategy of game because we can't stop something. I'm telling you right now, there's, there's 32 fat dudes that have been studying, like all the defensive coordinators, and I'm sure there's probably a couple cute ones now and hot ones,

but my defensive coordinator, my head is a fat guy. They're studying right now what they have to do for the last five months if they're on that schedule on how to stop that. I guarantee it, just like the Wildcat was a trend.

Now, this has been going for a couple years, but there is a way to stop it, and you can't just vote something when that one team can do good and not everyone else can do. And there's another good point. There is the Wildcat. Everyone was figuring out how to stop.

that. It's like the two minute drill with Jim Kelly. Everyone was figuring out how to stop that. While they're going to, well, they're going to eventually figure out how to stop the tush push. And then it won't even be a thing anymore. Well, it'll be a QB sneak. I mean, they didn't stop Tom Brady from doing QB sneaks. And I think he has the most QB sneaks in the history of the game or something. That guy was a QB sneaker. He sure was. I mean, he has like over a thousand yards rushing. I think they were all off QB sneaking. Let's get into something that's, that's actually really relevant and really important. A new award alert. Oh, awards.

I love awards. You got a lot of them. The NFL introduces the Protector of the Year award given to the league's best offense alignment. A panel of former offense alignment grades will name the winner. Whitworth said it's time the men who lead, protect, and never ask for credit are recognized as back. bone of this game. I agree a million percent. This is this is this is fucking crazy that they ain't got a we just come up. We got to get a better name. I mean, protector of the year. What's a better name than that? I mean, the name describes it perfect. Well, that would be the only way that it would be a better

award is if you named one of the best protectors or the best coach of the protectors. The scarnecule award. Hog of the year. Hog of the year. Mm-hmm. Because Lyman are hogs. They're huge. They're massive. They're grizzly bears. They protect you. I like that one. Or it could have been just like Lyman of the year. That sounds good. People are like what like what's getting protected. People don't use the word protecting with the knowledge in terms of football. You never really hear all that guy. You got to protect the quarterback. Yeah. You hear it once in a while like that but he's blocking for his quarterback is the more typical term yeah blocker of the year blocker in the comment section let us know let us go we need to get in we need we need a better

name we're gonna uh campaign for it i mean when's this award getting presented though when's the first one is it going to be at the 2025 NFL honors 2026 NFL honors actually yeah next year is that the year of the year of the year you know what i can't wait to see the big old lineman in a fucking suit picking up the award. Big old lineman suits. It's just, it's it. You see him? Maybe have a Carhart jacket on or something.

Maybe some fucking boots. Is there over, under that the guy who takes this award, I think 50% chance that he's wearing cowboy boots? He. Or some kind of boot. Around 50%. Around 50.

Yeah. Just a lineman, just built in the fields of just of a country man. Yeah. Billing stats of hey. Just super country strong. Just super, super country strong.

Yeah. Those are the best linemen. They are. Just country strong. And Whitworth is completely right. It's about time we recognize the guys that don't want to be recognized. It's kind of like, nah,

fuck that. You don't want to be recognized? We're recognizing you. You know, it's going to be awesome. I can't wait to see. That's going to be a fun award. Let's get into,

let's get into our guys. Who do we got this week? Some hockey dudes, man. We're switching it up a little bit. You know, we've been on football for a while, but NHL playoffs, I played hockey growing up. Let's get into that NHL world, man. We're big Boston Bruins fans while we played here with the New England Patriots. And actually, not going to lie, my favorite team, my number one team that's ahead of everyone,

just never really talk about it because they haven't made the playoffs in over a decade. I am a Buffalo Sabres fan. I mean, I grew up in Buffalo. The bills were cool. I was a little bit of Bill's fan growing up, but I was a major Buffalo Sabres fan growing up. Oh, I'm going to go with Dominic Hasick. Dominic Hackelly.

One of the greatest goaltenders of all time. He was from a Czech Republic. Just phenomenal. Do you ever meet one of those guys? My favorite part about him was just his mask. He just didn't wear that typical goalie helmet. He wore like an actual player helmet, like a face mask. I mean, the guy was just,

just an absolute beast in the net. More flexible than you can be possibly flexible. More blocker gloves saves than ever. He led the Buffalo Sabres as a whole when I was a kid. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, Here We Go again.

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Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get out to our first hockey dude. Let's see who we got. My favorite guy was Gordon Bombay. Gordon Bombay was the muddy ducks. Yeah, but he was minors.

Oh, he did? He played minor league hockey? All right, let's go. Let's get on to our first guy. Standing at five feet, nine inches and weighing 176 pounds. This left winger was selected 71st overall in the 2006 NHL draft, known for his fierce competitiveness and scoring touch. He's a Stanley Cup champion and a multi-time all-star handling from Hammond's planes,

Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia. honed his skills in the queue. Since his NHL debut in 2009, he has earned a reputation of being a gritty, hard-nosed, and often-hated agitator on the ice, even earning himself the nickname, The Little Ball of Hate. Little Ball of Hate. This kind of reminds me of another guy, I know.

Now in his 17th NHL season, 17. He is currently on the quest for another Stanley Cup. Let's get on. Brad Marchion. Ooh, merchie. Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you think of Brad? Marshawn.

Bloody fucking face. Okay. I don't know. Nose face killer. There we go. Now we're talking. That's the first thing that comes. Like, I just remember he got jacked up in the face once.

I forgot it was an important game too. And he was just a fucking a savage out there. He's always been, I don't think he's 5-9. He's got to be probably 5-8-5-7 too. He's like a smaller dude. I don't know, maybe he could be 5-9. But just a fucking competitor, someone that is always overachieved.

Just a guy, like, I love his story. He was kind of, he came in, became a captain, and so fucking, we watched a lot of them because they were fucking bawling out during our career here. So we went to his games and shit and watched this guy, and he had an energy about him where, like, he was like the smallest guy in the ice, but he didn't play like the smallest guy in the ice.

He played like the biggest guy in the ice. Sure it does. Wasn't afraid of anything. Would fuck with anyone. No fear. Zero fear. And he made big plays when his team needed it. Like that's what you always remember about merchie, little nose face killer.

Like he just makes these, like, what the fuck? Where did that come from? Oh, shit. And he was always really, he must have watched a lot of mighty ducks too as a kid because his breakaways, I see him do all this crazy. Like he did the fake thing always and then he taps it this way and then hits him. like he was really good at the triple deak there he is nose face killer you got it you got it you guys where is the nova scotia is in canada it's canada you got good salmon mm-hmm salmon yeah i always

always see nova scotia why would you say that because they always say nova scotia fresh salmon mm-hmm i mean i feel like you can't even you know get salmon there because all the water is just covered with ice no but that's the most fresh ice that's the most fresh place to get it okay they go under that ice and it's just fucking beautiful just freezing water Frozen salmon. Is that why it's so good? It probably stays fresher. Yeah.

So when you get it there, it's so cold, the water's so cold. By the time they send it here, I mean, it's still fresh. It's thawed. And then you just eat it and it's delicious. Delicious. What's the first thing you think of when you talk about Brad Mershon? You know, just one of the Boston Bruins, all times greats. I mean, he really is.

And just a story behind, you know, the backbone of his career is that I remember here. I mean, I think he got called up. When did he get called up into the NHL? I know he was drafts in 2009, but there was always a guy that they were talking about, hey, the Boston Bruins, they got this unbelievable player in the farm leagues. His name is Brad Marchand. And they just haven't called them up yet. They're waiting for the right opportunity.

I think I was a real year or so because we're big, big hockey fan, obviously. Like I was talking about Buffalo Sabers fan. So I was fully into who was on the Boston Bruins at the time. And everyone was talking about this guy when he was playing for the Providence. his Bruins. And then finally he got called up. And he showcased his skills right from the beginning. He became a superstar just like that overnight when he got called up to the

NHL. And whoever had that progression and thought in the mind of let him keep playing in the minor leagues. And we're going to call him up at the right time. They did it the right way because he was super ready. And right when he hit the ice, you know, with the big, you know, with the big, with the big dogs, he was ready to go. And at that time, it was probably such a young buck.

you kind of want someone to develop a little bit more because these players sometimes 18 years old, they get drafted that and can go right into the NHO. Imagine that being 18 years old and playing in the NFL. I don't think that's really possible because you got to really grow into your body because with these guys, they have so much skill, so much skill that it doesn't matter if there's a grown man in front of you with grown man strength. You can get around them and not even be touched by that grown man because you have that much skill.

And that's what this guy possesses. he possesses skill. Yeah. And on top of his skill, he has the mindset of being a big dog, like a pit bull out there on the ice, just messing with anyone else that's in his way and never backing down. And that's what a pit bull is. And when you've got a skill set like that, man, you're going to be feared out there on the ice. People hated playing for something.

He's a guy that you want on your team from what I hear and from what I see when I watch. He's always picking fights. He's always going after, you know, their star, player or whoever it is on the other side of the ice and he's great for the NHL to watch but he's a guy that you want on your team 1,000% on his debut six points in his first six games was that 2009 was his debut you're right what do you think of these hockey guys nicknames uh his was like the fabulous phenomenal I mean why don't we have nicknames like that the gronk is even that cool of a name anymore the squirrel is up there you know but the nose face fucking killer you kidding

I mean, the grunk is like, it's cool, but not the nose face killer. It's like, it's like Prince. You're like one name. Yeah. You're like a symbol. Okay. You're just grunk. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. Well, what about the great one? That's a great name. That's a great one. What is another one? Mr. hockey, who's that? Gordy howl the super.

Oh, I know Super Mario. I mean, Super Mario. I mean, that just makes sense. Mario Lemieux, who didn't watch him growing up as a kid, especially if you played hockey. Super Mario is so good, though, because of the game, the Nintendo game Mario at the time. Well, the best.

Yeah, that's the best nickname, actually. Super Mario. You kidding me? And then the hockey guys always add a why. Yeah. To like their guy, like, I remember being around. They like, hey, merchie, a merchie, a merchie, a murchy. Amerchie.

A, a 30. A, a 30. Hey, a, a, a lucci. What would I be then? A gronky. I like that. Yeah. I like that.

Hey, I'm sorry. Sorry. I fucking love the hockey guys. I'd be Julesy. Julesy. Hey, Julesy. Hey, Julesy. I can tell you this.

I've been in all locker rooms. I played basically every single sport growing up besides like soccer and like volleyball. But great locker room we have in football. But I'm telling you, the closest locker room out there in sports I feel like is the hockey locker room. They're all super, super close, super tight with each other. You know, they're there with each other on a daily basis. You shower with each other. You take the towel.

You wrap it up. You spank it across each other's bombs and hockey. You know, you, you, you, you, you, you, cross swords in hockey while you're taking peas in the locker room like everyone's close you rip on each other too you praise each other you give each other credit but the hockey locker room is just another level of of having that niche of being tight you know with your fellow teammates 1,000% and uh he's like the ultimate love the guy on your team hate the guy if he's not on your team like kind of like a draymond greenish you know i mean he if this guy's not on your team

you fucking hate him. He was so good at getting under his opponent's skin and just throw him off their game. I'll pass. You're right. I call it a pest. They call it the pest. Like Sean Avery was a pest. But he was a very skilled pest.

He wasn't like he wasn't a slap dick. And I'm not saying Sean Avery was. But I'm not saying like a lot of times the, like the pest is a guy that's not going to go out and fucking produce and get you points. This guy like he's a skilled pest that, you know. And it's so sad about his story. You know, for me at least, I don't know how the hockey world works, but gets named captain. Then he gets fucking traded to the Panthers. Look, the Panthers might go out win this thing this year, which is going to be a cool for him.

But like that whole thing, that was like some lawyer Malloy shit to me, you know. Lawyer Malloy was a captain, got traded. That's crazy, huh? It is crazy. But you got to look at the big pitcher now. I mean, absolute legend. He's going to be forever in Boston. They're going to, you know, put him in the Boston Brooms Hall of Fame.

He's probably going to retire as a broom. but the Bruins weren't making the playoffs. Yeah. All right. That's the first thing. I think he's going on a new contract possibly as well. You know, the Bruins sometimes you need to restart. And if you see a player that maybe he wanted to go to another program as well because he saw what a Bruins position are.

And he got traded to a team that needed his help right on the spot. And he could possibly go win another championship. So it is sad. It does hurt. It does. But he is in a good place right now. He's vying for another championship with the Florida Panthers. He might help him repeat this year.

He did plenty enough for the city of Boston. This is just the business world of sports. And I understand it because I've seen a lot of crazy stuff in the football world. But you really don't see that crazy of stuff in the hockey road as you do in the football world with trade. So this one was just a little shocking because of that reason. Because he was so loved. Yeah, so loved here, big time.

But it is. a business. Pro sports are a business. Now who's on a Mount Rushmore of sports pests. Okay. We'll throw merchie on there because five nine. He's not afraid to cheap shot, chirp and taught. Dremont green is one. Dremont, oh, Dremont green by far. Dramon, I, you know what? Yeah. Dremont talked all that shit this year about, but he, whenever his team needed him, he made a defensive play, bro. That dude's fucking good. He talks hell as shit. He knows his role. But he back. it up. And he gets up under these dudes' skins, bro. He gets in guys' minds. Like, they hate playing them. They know that's part of his game. I think he's, he's definitely on that. He has,

he has juice. Richard Sherman's on there. Sure. Yeah. Shirm for like two, three years. He was a past. I mean, the year when he said you mad pro to Brady, like when he was on the Legion of Boom, that was his role. He was a really great football player. And the prime prime. But prime prime, sure, he did not care about fucking let you know what he was doing or getting. under your skin or talking shit. We talked, we literally, I think I talked to him more than I talk to anyone that Super Bowl. Me and him were talking every fucking play. Every play.

He had a bad shoulder. We were, every play, me and him were talking. How was the date? You guys talking that much? It was, it was a. How was your Super Bowl date, Richard Sherman? It was a fucking good day. It was great because he dumped him in the end.

Happy ending. Oh, man. Cortland Finnegan. He used to fight. Remember that little, the corner for, he used to get in fights. Got in that fight. with Andre Johnson right at the line of scrimmins. They fucking, that was a...

Basically, it was like a hockey fight. They just dropped their gloves right in the spot and just started going after it. Bill Lambier. What about Ron Artax? We're on our test. We're on our test. Oh.

John McEnroe. You got to throw a little tennis in there. Him versus the referees. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. You know, those individual sports, that's being out there by yourself. Mm-hmm.

Like, you got to, you got to, like, create some juice. And he created some juice. Mm-hmm. Heinz Ward. Heinz was. He was pesty. Yeah, he was. He was really pesty.

He was pesty. I put Dole in there. Dole was pesty. I was a little pesty. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're definitely in there.

I mean, you went shut the hell up and practice sometimes against some of the guys, you know, on our defense. That was great though. We loved it. We love the pestiness. You love to be on the guys, you know, team that are pesty. You want them. It brings juice out of everyone.

They have more juice at all times than anyone else. And I'm jealous of that. I love having juice at all times. So much juice. where you're just buying to get into a fight every single day. Chung was pesty. Yeah, Chung was,

but there were some days he was a little non-pesty. No, but when he was compete, like, because that was, in practice, in games, yeah,

he was, like, if he was turning it on, because you know he'd turn it on. When he turned it on, super. Super pesty. Mm-hmm.

And we can't forget about Bramashon suspensions. I mean, I think the guy lost one point four right around there, million dollars throughout his career, and fines, suspensions, whatever it was. That just shows how pest domestic he was and didn't care.

He lost, I mean, he missed eight games. He passed. He's the most suspended guy in the history of the game, eight suspensions, not eight games. So those are more more games probably in there. I sorry. I sorry. Uh, lost 1.4. Wow.

Let's get on to what kind of dude Brad Marchon is. Let's do it. Our first hockey guy. What kind of dude is our first hockey guy? Is he our first hockey guy? The nose face killer. No. given just went out there was himself i met him one time with john dully he invited us to be on the

sidelines of the basketball yeah front row he knows face killer was there i was there uh he was cool dude i mean that was really the only time i really got to meet him he was a young buck i was a young buck wasn't you know anything crazy we just watched the game said what up which was really cool but uh what what kind of dude is he i mean this you know he's definitely got some whiz to him because he's he's got a lot a savviness on that. You could tell he's a dude's dude. He doesn't really have freaky tendencies, maybe the nose.

That's freakish. Stud, you would say he's a stud, but his story leaves him to, I think, only one. Ready? One, two, three, dog. He's definitely a dog. I mean, he, to grind his way from where he was,

as a third rounder, to become an instant contributor. Sensation. Instant. To becoming a captain and now playing his 17th year about to go potentially get another Stanley. Like that's a fucking dog. He's a dog. He's like a pit bull but like a mini pit bull.

Yeah. Yeah. But just ready to just be the aggressor at any time. Let's go. Next guy. Let's go. Standing at 6 foot 1 and weighing 200 pounds. The skill center was selected second overall in the 2010 and a 10th.

HL draft. He's a Stanley Cup champion, earned all-star honors, and consistently ranks among the league's top scorers. Raised in Ontario, he played for the Plymouth Wallers in the OHL. Throughout his NHL career, he has been recognized for his elite shooting ability, speed and playmaking, making him a consistent threat on the ice. He's also a tattoo lover getting his first tattoo at the age of 16. Let's get on, Tyler Sagan.

Sagi. Oh, Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear the name Tyler Sagan? I'll go first with that one. I think of I know the guy. Like I know the guy from the very beginning when he was on the Boston Bruins, absolute stud right away, dominating on the ice, dominating off the ice. And then he got traded to the Dallas Stires after two or three years, has a Stanley Cup from his rookie year.

But I know the guy. That's what I think in my mind. I know that guy every time I hear his name. you know that guy i know the guy i hung out with the guy i hung out with him you know segie saggy segie was like the heartthrob of boston when he was here he literally like it was fucking crazy we used to go out together all three of us we'd go to like the local place there's a lot more there's like 10 of us usually but all like the core core but like there is a lot of ties star three and this guy was like he i mean look at him he looks like fucking

the kid from blank check. Like, right? And when he's a little kid, he's a good looking kid. I mean, 19 years old, 16, 17 years old.

He was young. Rolling around in a fucking Maserati with like 35 million in his bank account. He was just the heart throb of fucking Boston when he was here. He was such a cool dude. Like I said, the Canadian dudes are all like genuinely just nice. Like, Hey, man,

how you doing? You know, like they're just nice dudes. And, you know, he's got a huge stick. huge hockey stick no i'm talking about you know you got a good stick really no like slap shot yeah yeah i mean i mean huge guys in the nchel clearly he's got a great slap shot yeah look it

preston and him and he's got a bank account like this guy too way more than one million dollars yeah well shout out to uh million dollars so just had a kid man it's so crazy to watch his transformation both him and marchy you know we saw him as a kid and now he's a full good grown man like in his 16th, 17th year, 15th year, like with a kid and shit. He literally looks like, like he could probably could have taken that girl down in blank check at that age. He seriously. He could have easily.

You would go to the game and there'd be like little girls with like, I love you, Tyler. Like he was like the heartthrob of Boston. What about the one sign? I think it was when he played for the Dallas stars. It was I, one of the most best signs in the history of signs. We sucked your hockey stick in high school. Do you remember us? Oh, my gosh.

Look at his smile. That is that. That's a sign. He definitely remembered him. He did. He did. He just got energy. He's got that big energy.

Yeah. Big stick energy. He's got big stick energy. No, he was a chick. Yeah, you know, I'm so impressed. Bigger stick than Zaday and Chara? I mean, I don't know. I mean, he's six nine.

That stick's got to be huge. That's a, I mean, probably. Big a stick on the ice. I don't know. Sege, he's pretty big. Stick fast. I mean, the guy was like 19 years old just running around the city of Boston. Like how much trouble would we have gotten in if we were playing like in the NFL at 19 years old?

19. 19. And we're like we're a star. Yeah. We are superstars already. Because in Boston, they love this hockey. They love the hockey. And he was like the young gun that was the guy.

And they won the cup. We were at those games. We drank out of the cup. I already didn't drink out of the cup. Thority showed me the cup. Shout out my guy, Thorntie. He's over in Tampa Bay, right? He's in Florida Panthers.

He brought merchie over. He's the GM, I think. I mean, that was probably the relationship right there. Definitely. Yeah, they definitely talked before the trade happened. I mean, one million for you. Man, now he's in Dallas. I mean, it's good to see someone, you know,

you've been there for a long time. See the transformation of someone growing as well. It's great to finally see you growing up, Julian. It took you to like 35 years old, 36 or however old you are now. You might be in your 40s now. We don't know your age. Like I asked you your age and you said, I don't know. So you're probably in 40s then. That's what people say. But like it's great to see Sagan has a kid now. One of the best NHL players out there. They're vying for a Stanley Cup, another one. And you know, on the Dallas Stars. I mean, paid down there. Ooh, whoa. I'm mature. When did you feel like

you matured? Oh, like 22 years. years old after uh after partying with lmf a oh after partying with w i felt like i made it so then i'm assured yeah maybe more like 32 32 years old so how are the stars perceived in dallas well they love it out there yeah i got two brothers that live in dallas i can tell you this i mean it's the dallas cowboys in dallas 100%. i mean here in new england it's the patriots but it's also all three, the Celtics, and it's also the Bruins. Like down there, it's the cowboy,

and Red Sox and also the Red Sox. Down there, it's the Cowboys. And then it's like, yeah, you know, we're Dallas Stars fans. I mean, they're hot. They're vying for the championship. We're fans, but still all truly about the Cowboys at that time. Like here, Boston Bruins fans,

they're in the Stanley Cup finals. They're not talking Patriots at the Stanley Cup game. I mean, I feel like in Dallas, it's just how it is. It's just the atmosphere, just how it is down there. Dallas. How about him coming back and getting a hat trick versus the Bruins his first time playing him? That that's like the ultimate. That's like a huge F you to whoever traded him in the organization. They're probably still not even they're probably not there for trading him.

Whoever traded Saigon like him like the guy would have been a superstar still like even to the highest level actually to the highest power because he's in a market where hockey is truly loved by everyone. Yeah. You know, I I mean, they had to get them out of here. We were, he was having, we were having too much fun. Yeah, I think, I think coach Belichick had him traded because he was influenced us. He, we had so much fun with this kid. Like, they said, we got to get him out for all the sports.

That's how, but like, it wasn't like it was a malicious or he just liked to have a good time. Yeah. Boy, did he? Mm-hmm. Big tattoo guy. I remember when he had zero tats. Remember, he didn't have tattoos at the beginning. beginning. Now he's tat madat. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. You're like rapping now,

Jules. Maybe that's your next career. No. Tap madat, the Jules E coming to you into a former CIT. Revealed his nickname in Boston was Dumbo because of his ears. He had large ears. I never heard of that nickname when we were hanging. Maybe he was trunk too. What kind of guy is saying? What kind of dude is he? I already know. I already know what's in my mind. I mean, he could be freaky. I mean, well, first off, now that we're talking NHL guys, we were talking NBA guys a little

bit before, in order to make it to the NHL and to the NBA, it's totally different than the NFL. You have to be playing since you were a kid because it takes that much skill to be able to compete at that high of a level. In the NBA, you got to have that much skill to be able to handle that ball in your hand. to be able to dribble it, pass it, shoot it. It takes so much skill. To be able to be in the NHL, take so much skill to be able to stick handle,

to be able to pass, to be able to shoot, to be able to time up a one-timer, to be able to wrist shot, the slap shot. In football, you can just be raw and you can develop what a football player takes.

Yeah. If you can run full speed at someone, it doesn't take, you know, a genius to be a football player then or a skill set to have to be a football player. You can just go out, there put pads on and go run full speed and and knock a linebacker out and then you're a fullback. You know?

And that's why you see so many players that come from the, that come from the basketball world that are able to start playing football in just college or in the NFL like Antonio Gates. You got Jimmy Graham's and you got a lot of other players as well that rarely played football and then make it to the NFL. But in the hockey world, you can't start playing hockey when you're just in high school. or college only. No.

Because it takes so much damn skill. These guys have so much freaking skill. It's wild. I'm talking hand-eye coordination through the roof in the NHL and NBA. And that's why you see these players, you've got to start at a young age. You got to start at three, four years old to build that type of skill. So it's developed by the time you get to the NHL. Well, you know, looking at the pictures of Tyler when he was three, four years old,

did the guy look like pressing from blink check. So he's clearly been a well-rounded man, kid. hockey player since the very freaking beginning. You know, he's got some dog in him. He's got some dog in him, but that's not the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of Segin. He's definitely a dude's dude. But he's not a dude's dude when you see him on the ice. I think it's, he's whiz.

Yeah, he's a whiz. He's got a freaky thing. But I think it's really one. It is really one. On three, one, two, three, stud. Yeah, he's a stud. You know, this guy, he came. in at 17, 18, and lived up to the hype. Like he was the top, whatever, he was second draft pick

overall. This, he was a heartthrob still playing. He's got longevity. And when you watch Tyler on the field or on the ice, he was like the fastest, like he just, he was fast, explosive made plays. He was a stud. Well, rounded stud off the ice on the ice. Well round. Stud driving the Maserati. Yeah. The stud. We'll be right back after this quick. break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends

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and the Larry O'Brien trophy being handed out soon. We're going to dude rank the major trophies. Ooh, dude rank. Cheers to dude ranking the trophies. Always celebrate responsibly. All right. Well, let's start. The Larry O'Brien trophy is the NBA championship trophy.

It travels in a special Louis Vuitton case. Of course, because NBA players, they love their designer, you know, gear. They love their designer outfits. They love their designer shoes. And the Larry O'Brien trophy needs to be in a designer case. So there's no doubt about it. And it was made by Tiffany and co. It's 25.5 inch.

And 30 pounds. I can do my curls with the Larry O'Brien trophy because I curl about 30 pounds. So yeah, I'm weak now, Jules. I know. No, you're not. I know. You don't even try. I would do about 100 reps. It's built in Cranston, Rhode Island. Oh, it was made by Tiffany and co. I mean, it's beautiful. It's, it's got the ball going into the net. It is pretty heavy. I've held it before. It came to the net house before. What kind of dude is Larry O'Brien? Yeah, what kind of dude is to Larry O'Brien trophy? I mean, it's not the smoothest looking trophy. It's kind of got some speed bumps to it, you know? It's not like all one that, like, you know what I mean? Like it starts the bomb and like it's just all one together. Like, you know, you know what I'm trying to say? I think it's a studly trophy.

It's pretty, you know, like, hey. Because it like a ball is going in the net. That's what you have to do in the sport to win. And like I was just talking about, actually. plays into the favor of being a stud because like I said it's not like a normal trophy where it like a trophy's like its base and the midsection are all

one like this has curves to it like the basketball yeah like the basketball is being held by like a little like what would you call that? I think it's floating on air and it's just that's what it looks like so it's getting held by the midsection. That's a stud. It's curvy. It's got to the World Cup. What kind of dude is the World Cup?

Oh 18 karat gold. 18-carat gold, 14.5 inches tall, smallest of the major trophies, estimated worth 20 fucking million dollars. Holy shit. Features two players holding it up, winning teams, names inscribed on bottom. So it's $20 million worth of gold, or is it $20 million worth of value with sterling silver is Delary O'Brien? The World Cup is just straight 18 carrots of gold. Like that's what you kind of expect from international soccer guys. They love that like flashy shit and hella. You know, they got the haircuts. They got the. I mean, my favorite part about the World Cup is that the World Cup parties in Buenos Aires,

Buenos Aires, Argentina. And I never been to that part of the world. What is that? South America. Yeah, it's Argentina. I've never been, I've never been to South America. I want to go to Brazil. I want to go to Argentina.

I want to jealous of the World Cup. It gets a party in Buenos Aires. It gets a hang out, gets lifted up by two hands. So it's supported well. It'll never get broken or dented like the Lombardi trophy because of some guy that I know through a knuckleball to some other idiot who decided to bunt that knuckleball. He's a freak. If it's for 20 million, it's a freak. That is.

That is freaky. $20 million? Just a trophy? She, that's freaky. That's freaky. $20 million. All right. What's the next trophy?

All right. we're going with the World Series trophy, aka the Commissioner's trophy, also made by Tiffany and Coat and Cranston, Rhode Island. And it has 30 flags to represent each team. So what kind of dude is the World Series trophy? This is one

trophy I never like seen. Actually, I have when I been to a Boston Red Sox game. I've seen the trophies in the case. I never actually felt this trophy. It feels like it's not that stable because of the 30 flags. Like good thing I didn't bunt

freaking with this trophy because I feel like the flags of just freaking just gotten rocked and falling off. It just feels like those flags could be sharp. Like that that's like a child hazard. So it's giving me dog vibes. Because like it like if you were to drop that and it would hit your leg, it could like slice a leg with one of those flies. It's a great point. You know what I mean? Those are those look sharp to me.

Yeah. That's great. analogy right there, Jules. And then we'll go to the last. All right, we'll do that. It's a dog. Yeah, it's a dog. The World Series trophy's a dog.

Don't mess. They're going to bite your leg off. It'll rip you up. Yeah. And then the last, the Lombardi, what kind of dude is the Lombardi trophy, made by Tiffany and Coe in Cranston, Rhode Island, 22 inches tall,

sterling silver first awarded in Super Bowl 1. And it features a beautiful football on the top. On top of a silver thing it's a good way to put it and I can tell you this it's not a great baseball bat actually it's a wonderful baseball bat because it looks like a torpedo bat

I'm batting a thousand and things like the torpedo you just put the big ass sweet spot in one area it's a torpedo bat what kind of I think it's just classy I think it's just shiny shiny

I think it's just it's it's respected I think what do you think stud or is it it's not a whiz it's a dudes dude because everyone can kiss it and you can get everyone's fingerprints on it i just i was thinking dudes dude because the trophy allowed us to play baseball with it and you got to be a dudes dude to be able to switch sports like that and and not complain and the trophy didn't complain one single bit when i was at bat so it is a dudes dude it's very studly because it's switched sports as well and got a base hit you know with that point i like the dudes

dude it is it's a dude's dude and then the last but not the least well well well i mean i'm already going to tell you this the stanley cup is a dude's dudes by far so should we switch up the lombardi trophy because the stanley cup everyone drinks out of it it's handed all over to place everyone gets a a night out with the stanley club the lombardy though we almost in the water yeah so okay we're bented we can stick with it then we can stick with it's a dude's dude you can have two trophies as dudes dudes dudes you can drink out of it. It's 35.25 inches tall, 34 pounds, 34 and a half pounds. I mean, what's really cool about it is, yeah, you get to bring it everywhere. You get to bring it everywhere. Every guy gets it for one day. Walls a party has lots of rules and superstitions and it has its own keeper at all

times. Yeah. That's that's like it has its own policeman, its own guard. It's a dude's a dude's dude. Because everyone gets to hang out of it. Everyone gets to hang out of it. You can eat a meal out of it. if you want to. He's a dudes dude for sure. Super dudes, dude. Well, that's the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors delivered straight to your door.

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