Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Patriots: Mega Episode

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

We're heading home for a very special Patriots MEGA episode. We've compiled every New England Patriot featured on the show thus far into one special episode. From the GOAT to legends whose stays were a little shorter, we're talking plenty of Pats dudes. We kick off the show with a New England edition of The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years, until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. and to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting.

Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Leveh, Rufus Wainwright, Mavis Staples, really too many to name, and there's still so much more to come in this new season. Listen to Nora Jones is playing along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Whenever I got through the window, I tried to pick him up and his body was stiff. I'm Ben Westoff, and this is The Peacemaker, a true crime podcast about a string of mysterious suicides at a Missouri university, and the fraternity brother tied to them all. Brandon Grossheim. The lawsuit says Grossheim was one of the last people to see each victim before their deaths. Was he profoundly unlucky, or was something much darker at play?

Listen to The Peacemaker podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. Five, six white people. me in the car. I'm going, what about that? Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is receive the package. Don't have to open it.

Just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. You know the shade is always

Shadiest right here. Season 6 of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Jazele Brian and Robin Dixon is here dropping every Monday. As two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac were giving you all the laughs, drama, and reality news you can handle.

And you know we don't hold back, so come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday. Listen to reasonably shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes.

I'm Julie Edelman. Rob Grin-Kalice. is playing with Ralphie somewhere, and we're still recovering from the season, but we have something very special for you today. A Patriot mega cut. We put together all the Patriot dudes we've done and conveniently put them in one place right here. Let's get into it, but before we do that, let's get into the chillest dude of the week brought to you by our favorite beer Coors Light.

Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com. slash dudes, celebrate responsibly. This week's chillest dude of the week is you, Patriots Nation. We got a lot to look forward to. Mike Vrable is back. Josh McDaniels is back. Year 2 of Drake May, the draft, New Jersey's Foxborough Forever.

That was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes. Celebrate responsibly. All right. Enjoy three hours of dudes on Patriots. Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. And we're going to start with a former player, a guy that everyone knows,

a Hall of Fame are out there. Guy that we played with. A guy that we play with on New England. On New England. About two years for you. Two years for me. A quarter season for myself, my rookie year. One and a quarter for me.

But everyone knows who he is. Randy. freaking Moss. Please pull the pitcher out. Randy Moss was an absolute dominant force on the football field. I didn't want to put him in the category right away. You can't.

I don't want to describe the category. We're not starting to fuck yet, either, are we? But the guy had personality. Everyone loves him to this day. He's a great TV. He's awesome on TV. TV analyst now.

Awesome on TV. He's mossing people still to this day. You got moths. With his segment. got Moss. You know who this is, Rob? You know what the shot's from? No, what's the shot from? This shot is from when he was leaving the player's parking lot, I believe. I think on a Tuesday after he got fined for mooning Green Bay. Remember he got fined for mooning Green Bay? And this is like right immediately after when some reporter came up to him and said, Randy, what do you think about getting

fine? And he said, straight cash, homie. That's what Randy is. And that quote is still used to this straight cash, homie. Straight cash, homie. Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say straight cash, homie. Always. Every single time. That's going to live on forever. How many years ago is that? That was a long

time ago. 20? No, it wasn't 20. I was in high school, man, when that happened. He was on the Minnesota Vikings, right? Yeah, he was on the Vikings at that time. So that was like, what? 05? Maybe 0.4?

I think we need to start this. 20 years ago. Do we start the clock now? Rob's got a little research that he's done. now Rob how did you get this research? I just typed in the player's name on co-pilot and what type of you know football player they are

or a person they are and it just popped up and you know you gotta work smarter, not harder, Jules. You gotta work smarter. That's what's all about? It is. So let's, what did a co-pilot say? And this will also help out my reading skills. See dudes on dudes, I mean, we're not the smartest dudes, Julian.

No. But we're also not the biggest idiots. I mean, we have common sense. Yeah. And we're here, you know, doing this. show as well to help us out in life as well. I would say we're idiots. I would say we're idiots. We're not dumb. Yes, yes. We are idiots in a good way though. Yeah. We're not like IQ going to like knock you off the charts. But you know, like we're also not going to spend, you know, like all your money.

If you have like $2, you're going to spend 50. That's like common sense. Yeah, exactly. There you go. You hit it right on the nose. And our reading skills, I wouldn't say are, you know. No, my reading skills are terrible. Everyone knows. So this is going to help my reading skills. It's going to help my creativity doing this show as well. And that's why I wanted to do it. I feel like it's going to help us out on Fox, you know, just being able to talk. So we're building muscles.

And we're also going to invest in Nivita because we're going to use their AI. Let's go. So here we go. Or no. We got Randy Moss, right? Yeah, Randy Moss. All right. What is Randy Moss?

Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver known for his exceptional speed, leaping ability, and playmaking skills. His deep threat capability made him a constant challenge for defenders as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches. Moss was renowned. Renowned, right? Yeah, renowned for his ability to make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him a reputation as one of the most talented and dangerous receivers in the NFL.

Over his career, he was selected to multiple Pro Bowls and was a key figure in the 2007 New England Patriots record setting offense. He was. He was. Start the clock. Start the clock. We got 10 minutes, which each player that we will be talking about. First of that's pretty damn good by co-pilot. Yeah, co-pilot

hit right on the money. And Rob, I think you knocked it out the park. I was a co-pilot reading that. No, I think you were the actual pilot. Yeah, I was. I was. Yeah, the actual pilot I had no co-pilot. You were there, but you weren't there. I was a piloting it by just sitting there. You were the passenger.

I was a passenger. Yes, you were. I was a passenger. But who, no, who was the ride. It was freaking good. It was freaky. Yeah.

Which was also Randy's nickname. It was Randy's nickname. It was the freak. Randy went to, where do you go? He went to Marshall. There's so many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State. Then he went to Notre Dame.

Did you ever hear those? I never heard any of those stories. But he ended up at Marshall University. Where is Marshall anyways? West Virginia. It's in West Virginia. Yeah. And you know he's from Rand West Virginia?

Like Randy Moss is from Rand West Virginia. He used to say that all the time in practice. Hey, Randu, Randu, remember you would always say that? Like him and like who else was from there? White chocolate was from there. Oh, who's white chocolate? I eat white chocolate. Who's white chocolate?

Jason Williams. Oh, yeah. They were teammates, right? They were teammates in high school. Dude, he always loves to fish too. That was the one thing you always knew about Moss. In the off season, you were never... He was like a farm boy.

Yeah. Yeah. He loved outdoors. You love fishing? I don't... You know, I was traumatized at a young age. My brother made me hold like two catfish when I was like six years old and he told me they could sting you and they had big old tentacles and it fucking traumatized me. So not a big fisher.

I was like the kid wakeboarding. My brother was like the fisher. You fish? No, I always got seasick every time we took that boat out. Yeah. You know, and like a mile off of shore. I was always throwing up and like really dizzy. So I never became a big fisherman.

I mean, I had a pond behind my house growing up. So I'd get like those sunny fish. Like that was cool, but never really a big fisherman. I eat fish though. What's your favorite fish? Black and salmon.

Like and salmon? Yeah, with some good spices on it. I like a halibut. Nice light fish. Yeah. All right. Back to Randy.

Back to Randy. It was what? Hall of Fame. What year was that? He went to the Hall of Fame. Football Hall of Fame, that is. What was it? Like 2000.

2018. 2018 it was. We won in a Super Bowl. He was a 21st overall pick, and he had a lot of the, there was a lot of, like, turbulence in his early career, you know,

in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy, you know, misunderstood. You know, he kind of, what would you say when he was in the locker room?

Like, he was always a very caring dude, but he always had his guard up. He always had his guard up. But, like, on the low, he would always give you love. Like for me, when I was a rookie receiver, I used to have to go out and buy all the receivers,

like lunch whenever we would have a wait trip. Remember before the travel, the rookie goes and grabs, you know, something from Bar-Louie or you go somewhere, you know, Jimmy Johns or something, and you get the order. And Randy would always make me do it. But I was a seventh rounder, so I wasn't paid by any means. And guys would be giving you crazy orders. Randy would always throw me like three, 400 bucks. He'd pay for it and make me go get it.

So, like, he was always, he was just always quite, like, he would kind of get on me in front of people. But then when there was no one around, he'd always love me up. And, like, you know, like, he, I think he was just putting that on there to make me, you know, make me accountable. Yeah. For the, you know, quarter career, you know, quarter year I play with Randy. I thought he was a great teammate, man. And like you said, I feel like he was misunderstood in the public eye a little bit. He didn't really care about, you know, the glam and all that.

Like, he just, he just rubbed it off his shoulders. Like it was nothing. Like it was water, man. But he cared about being a good guy. And he never thought he was too big for anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best wide receiver in the game at the time, maybe of all time. And he cared about, you know, being relatable to the young bucks. He did.

He made me feel very warm and welcome. What do you do to the New England Patriots when I was there? What do you do to make you feel warm and welcome? So Moss always loved, you know, kicking it back, having a conversation with myself when I was a rookie. I was struggling. I was in the playbook like crazy, struggling a little bit, but he just loved how I played the game.

And he always imitated me because I was big. I was goofy, you know, and he liked that kind of stuff, you know, and every time I had a catch or, you know, had a touchdown, I'd be like myself,

you know, I'd be giggling like this. He'd be like, dude, bro, you're always giggling. You're always having a good time, Gronk. Like,

cool as shit, man. Cool as shit, how you are, man. And I'd be like, it made me feel warm and welcome to be myself on the page.

and I'd be like, I always did that on the field after a catch. I get up. Like, I don't know. That was just me. I was getting hyped. And Moss was like, man, I like how you do this. Man, I like, like that cool shit how you do that. Like, I'm going to do that after I score a touchdown.

I was like, for real? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that. So what happened? Game, I think game number two. Buffalo. Vers Buffalo. He scored like, you know, 40-yard or post right down the middle. Like, you know, like Randy Moss does because fastest wide receiver I probably ever seen

play the game, freakish, you know, stride. It looked like he was going slow. He looked like, but he was just always passing people. And he was just gliding. It was like a jet ski on water, like on like flat service, just gliding across the water. Yes. And it didn't look like he was going 70. No.

But he was going 70, maybe 80. On water, which is fast. Yes. So we get to the game. He scores that touchdown and he starts doing this. Like he's like, yeah, he's being grok in the end zone. And I'm 21 years old. and this is Randy

Frickin Moss imitating me after one of his touchdowns. I thought it was the coolest thing. I actually never even shared that story with anyone. I'm not even, I'm talking like I never shared that story

with a friend, a family member. It's just kind of known within the team, you know, within the team and the organization. So that's one of the coolest stories of all time,

you know, about Randy Moss that I have personally. And he just made me feel welcome to the team. And he just made me feel like myself because he just loved how I was and how I played the game. And it was a special moment, that's for sure. He fucked with dudes that worked hard.

He did. I remember on Tuesdays he would come in and do these workouts where he would do like side step-ups, these like step-ups, quick feet. And so I would jump in with them every once in a while. And he'd do all these medicine ball things where like he'd have like one leg on a medicine ball and do like a push-up and, you know,

it was working your core. And so I would always see him do shit. and then I would go do it. You know, I want to do anything, anything Randy did. But, like, if he saw you working, he never really busted your balls. That's the kind of guy, you know, but if you weren't, if you were, you know, if you were talking and you were a guy that wasn't heard or something, like any other Patriot, any of the Patriot, like, guys, you know, you're going to hear shit.

You want to know, you want to also know why I would say Randy was misunderstood a little bit because he was real. Yeah. And when people are real, people don't like that, man. Because real things can sound like assholy. Yeah, exactly. It sounds assholy. Like, if he didn't want your freaking food, he's not going to eat your food.

Like, he just didn't want it, you know? If he didn't like you, he didn't like you. Like, it's just real shit. And then that's what makes people misunderstood. I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had. What was the screenshot of his? Well, he had three catches, like 146 yards, was it? 163 yards on three catches.

Oh, and three touchdowns. All his catches were. over 50 yards. It was when he was with the Minnesota Vikings. Thanksgiving Day. He ate the turkey after the game as well. Yeah. It was just Moss being Moss. Well, Randy was so special that we actually had a play named after him. Moss. Yeah. Moss. Haoss. Haoss Moss. It was the Moss signal, which was the most. That was the signal because it was all goes. It was a go on the left. It was a seam on the left. It was a seam on the right. And every time Brady did that, I got excited because I was always a slack guy going down the field.

So Moss, every time I saw that play, I thought of Moss and just felt like I had to turn the burners on as well. Rob, you had how many, what was your biggest touchdown season? I had 17 touchdowns in 2012, but 18 because one of them counted as a rush. 18 touchdowns? He had 23 touchdowns.

How fucking nuts is that? I don't think anyone's ever going to touch that. I don't know with the 18. I don't think anyone's going to touch it still. You still? Because guys aren't playing as many games. Like they don't play the whole season. Yeah.

I mean, that's not the reason why. I think just because Moss was just so dominant, 23 touchdowns because when you have 23 touchdowns, Moss was only one who can get away from double coverage and then run away from it because he was so fast and freaky. Ain't no one ever going to touch that 23 touchdown record. I mean,

I was pretty close that one year when I had 17. And then actually he was at practice, one of my best training camps of all time when we were in, West Virginia. Moss came, whatever, at that dump place. At Greenboro. It's great for football. Coaches loved it because all you did was focus on football.

We couldn't go to the casino, though. It was fucking bullshit. Good thing. We would have lost all our money or won a lot more money and then could have retired in training camp. But Moss was there when we were facing the Saints in practice and I was dominant, man. This was a year.

I was on fire, unstoppable. It was actually the year we won the Super Bowl versus Atlanta when I was unstoppable. It was just unfortunate that I got lit up up the middle of that year, but I had like four touchdowns in a row versus Saints in seven on seven and Moss was right there. And I was like, Moss, I'm coming for you, man. That touchdown record is mine. Go, Gronk, you got it, boy. You're the only one, Gronk. You're the only one that can beat my touchdown record. Grank, you got this boy. I want to see you do. I go, Moss, I am going to do it, buddy. I'm on coming for it. 23, no problem. I mean, it was kind of realization at that time.

I was dreaming big, but it was just so cool to have Moss right there. Hell yeah. Talking shit to Randy Moss. I'm going to beat his touchdown record in middle of practice. It was one of the coolest moments I've ever had in practice at Moss. You're a man. And the freakiest catch I've ever seen Moss make that I will still remember for, I will remember for the rest of my life.

The Revis. It's the Revis catch. It was the, what, second game? It was the second game of the season. Of the season. That was my first start. It was. So when he did the invitation of me,

it was actually the first game of the season. I think we played, no. This was, was that, that was, I don't think you were there yet. No, I was there. So we played the, we played Cincinnati my very first game. Yeah. Then we went to the Jets. We lost.

Most freakiest catch I've ever seen. We lost the game. Yeah, we lost the game. Brady just tossed it up there. He let the play develop. No one was open. So he tossed it up one-on-one coverage. Moss versus Dural Revis, the best cornerback in the game.

Moss put his hand up in the, air and just snagged it one hand or right in the end zone about three yards in it was freaky because he extended all the way it wasn't like it was like close to his body he made that extension you know it was effortless too effortless it looked like he barely did it that when he was going he was just like and then oh and then we played the buffalo bills the third game and that's when he did the imitation that imitating or the fan he was imitating me of no of myself the grand giggles and then we played the Miami Dolphins, the fourth game of the season. And then after that game, he wasn't there.

He wasn't there anymore. It was sad. It was. You want to know something, Jules? Oh, I remember it, man. I remember it. We were, we were partying, man, when he got traded. Were we?

It was Monday night. And you know us, we were young bucks, man. We went to Foxwoods, the casino. And we woke up. Was it a Monday night game? No, no, it was a Monday. Is that a Monday night game? It was a Monday night game.

So did we have a buy week at? I think we had a buy week or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night because it was industry night at Foxwoods. And you know us, we're in the industry of partying at that time. We were maniacs. We were maniacs. This is dudes and dudes, bad. We're just having a good conversation, you know.

We're just telling our stories, just living up, you know, what we did in the past. And I remember we were together, man. and you were, you were pretty hungover, I remember. And then I was hungover too. And we turned on the TV. We didn't know anything, what was going on. And we turned on the TV, ESPN, and Randy Moss, there it was, breaking news, traded to the Minnesota Vikings. And literally, we were like heartbroken.

We were hungover and heartbroken. It was probably the worst situation you could be in. Yeah. Yeah. But we always climb out of those holes. That was. But I remember. Talk about the Sunday.

scary's. Yeah, that was, that was the Tuesday morning scaries right there. You wake up, you don't, oh, fuck. We got practice. That was, that was, one of the examples of, of my early times in my career that I was starting to learn that the NFL was a business. Oh, yeah. Because as a rookie, you don't know that it's a business, you know, you're going to make the team, you think you're playing forever. You can't trade Rainy, no one's trading Randy Moss. You can't trade Randy Moss. She's the greatest of all time. and it was really cool though because he did that press conference i think the week before like he wants a new deal he had his headphones around his neck he kind of he kind of went off like the patrons

ain't giving me my new contract and i thought that was really cool because that's the randy moss i knew like going off just just being a real dude yeah he knows and i love that shit i love when players act up man and i thought it was the coolest thing so it was sad to see him go but it was also sad because that was part of the reason I feel like he went. You know, Bill takes no shit. He doesn't. But that's when you're wrecking, you realize that this is definitely a business.

All right. So some final thoughts. Randy Moss. What kind of dude is Randy Moss then? Yeah. What kind of dude is he? I would say. So we have a stud at like athleticism,

football IQ, the pedigree. We have the freak, unparalleled physical ability, one of one, pretty much a mutant. That sounds pretty clear. We have a dog who's relentless, motivated, physical and mental toughness. We got the whiz dude who's intellect, innovative, very clutch. And we got a dude's dude.

Positive attitude, locker room guy, calm, cool, collect, glue guy. He's like a glue guy, dudes dude. And let me tell you, every dude that we're going to be talking about, hit all of them. They hit them all. Their attributes are all five of them. but we're trying to find the one that exemplifies them the most. And with Randy Moss, it's easy.

I feel like this is a no-brainer. No-brainer. No-brainer. It's already in his nickname. The freak. The freak. I mean, he was, I remember, he's just so fast. He was so he could jump.

He, he could catch the ball. The intricacies of the game were like, that were, you would try to coach the guys, like, late hands and stacking the receiver. or like those are the things that like we would try to coach he just did it naturally that's like how he like he just knew how to judge a ball and high point balls like he we literally have segments named after him going up and and just mossing dudes and the way he like the ability he had to just leap when he was running full speed that's crazy is what made him so great because he can have a defender on him because defenders were just as fast as them yeah some of them were some of them were some of the dbs

Don't let Randy here. Hey, man, get on a 200 slate. All right. Slate, remember he used to challenge Slate all the time? He did. But every once in a while, there was a guy that, you know, it was kind of covering him. But what did he do?

He just leaped right over him like a frog and made the catch. And that's what made him so freaky. It's so crazy to think, like, when you're running full speed and you got to track a ball, your eyes are bouncing. Like, that's like some of the first things you see, like when from your, like, off-season training and you jump into like, you know, start competing against guys.

The first thing that you always have to dial in is the bouncy eyes. My eyes would bounce and I'm going like a guy to go full speed and be able to concentrate and then like effortlessly like a ballerina jump off one leg, go back. Moss a dude over two. Like that's that's a freak. He's a freak. I remember, Jules, like you used to have always brag and me. Moss would do it.

So I'm doing it. So like right after the games, like when you landed from my. away game. He would go right to the weight room to get his workout in. Yeah. And you big Moss is doing it. I'm going to do it. You know, like you copied everything he did. Hey, man. But I don't blame you, man. He's the greatest of all time. I would copy him, Tom, anyone who was around. I'm copying, Wes. I'm copy. It's a copy cat lead. All right. You loved your dudes. I loved hanging on your dudes. Well, you become one dude you wanted the dude on. You become a creature of the dudes you hang around. That's the truth.

You know, you become a dude of the dudes. That's why I'm, that's why I'm a podcast, you know, because I've been hanging out with you, Jules, and you have your podcast. So, now it's just dudes rubbing off on dudes. So we did Randy Moss. All right, freak of nature. Freak.

No doubt about it. He's a freak, dude. No question. All right, let's go on to our next. Bomb, bum, bum, I'm sure we're going to go for more than 10 minutes. We've already went for more than 10 minutes. Who's our next guest, Tom? I mean, oh, wow.

Oh, who's our next guest, Julian? Our next guest is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. Now, let's see what AI has what to say about TB. Two guys that know him pretty well. Let's see if AI knows him just as well. All right, start the clock. Let's see. Let's see if AI is really living up to the standards these days.

That's everyone's saying. Last two, AI. All right. Tom Brady is a legendary NFL quarterback. Well, they're already wrong because he's not a legendary NFL quarterback. He was an NFL legendary quarterback. Or is he, does AI know he's, does he come back? AI, well, AI knows something that we don't know.

Oh, my God. AI is living up to the standard. Dolphins. A lot of dolphins. Kyle Shannon's still wants him with the Niners, even though Brock Perry is legit. Maybe AI's up to something right now. AI is up to something. Yeah, it is.

What is AI saying? he's a renowned for his record seven Super Bowl victories and five Super Bowl MVP awards. Wow. Off the field, he is known for his disciplined lifestyle. Very disciplined. TB12 method. Business ventures. com slash business ventures.

A lot of business ventures owns teams, lots of teams, Raiders potentially coming up soon. And philanthropic efforts. A lot of giving back to the kids. Best buddies for a long. time. Yes. And and what about the kids? He helped become superstars. Yeah, he helped us out too. We're part of that. That doesn't go in the philanthropy. That's not philanthropy, but no, that's his biggest philanthropy right there. It was. Definitely. Okay. Helping us kids out. He helped us. All right. All right. Um, including his work with the TB12 Foundation,

which you just mentioned, Joe. And TB12 Foundation. Brady's leadership. He's a leader. Resilience. Guy's fucking resilient. And commitment. Come on, Jules. Is he committed?

This guy is committed like no other. To excellence have made him an iconic figure. Is he iconic? Fucking. He's got a aura. The most iconic. Guys got aura. Iconic figure both in sports and infinity and beyond.

It said it infinity beyond. Oh, it says ambiore. but I added that little bite a buzz light year you know spectacle aspect into it I like that I like that but I can't believe AI didn't one thing that AI didn't get this guy is a his compartmental his compartmentalization skill is fucking outrageous that's what I anyone asked me like what is he could literally have so many things going around going on going on and in his life. But when it was time for work,

he could blur all that out and think about what that work day was and fucking get the most out of that work day every day, which some would say that's like a serial killer or some kind of maniac mindset. I would say that's like the greatest of all time. Yes, Jules, that's a great point. I actually never thought of that. And that's 100% accurate.

And that's actually contributes to why he, was so great is that he could ignore the noise. Whatever is going on out there, whatever the situation was. Make me better. It didn't matter. And he would, yeah, he would use that anyways. He was used it as fuel. It would be diesel fuel.

It would be normal fuel. Race fuel. Super S-101. Oxrated fuel. It didn't matter. S-101. He would use it as fuel. Only a few fucking gas stations have that fuel.

He would fill up that engine. And he had diesel engine. He had freaking premium engine. He had every engine in the, the book, jet engine. And that's what made him so great. And he used that fuel and he burned all that fuel too. This is probably terrible.

There's so many, he burned so much fuel that he killed literally so much of the ozone layer that he's a fucking hazard to our environment because that's how much fuel he burns. With the motivation and his compartmentalization factors. That's how much fuel he's burning. And that, and that jet was full go every single time. You know when you get on a plane, you're like this freaking pilot better drive this plane or fly this plane as fast as possible. I'll drive it too, freaking on the runway to get to the runway to freaking take off ASAP. So fly it and drive it as fast as possible.

That's this guy. And he's got headwind, so you're actually using more fuel. Yeah. And the fuel never ran out. The guy has fucking airplanes that come out while you're flying. Have you seen that where they use the fucking. in peace and while they're flying in the air. And they connect it.

Yeah. One plane to the other. Unlimited. Yeah. That's, and that is Alex. Alex is the little airplane. Alex is the little airplane that connects.

Yeah. Oh, oh, man. Oh, he just has so much fuel. Oh. I mean,

oh, that was so good. That was so good. There they are. Look at. There's Alex and Tom. Alex and Tom. Alex is fueling time up.

Wow. Hey. Wow. And that's something to have. Hey, that's a love thing out of Alex because he keeps him going. It keeps him going, man. Well, let's get to some accolades.

I mean, first he was, he was pick 199, six round in the 2000 draft. I mean, I'm sure everyone knows that by now. He was with the Patriots from 2000 to 2019. And then with the bucks,

2000 to 22. And actually I just got a quiz. on him. How many years did he play in the NFL? And it was right before I talked to him two weeks ago on Fox. Kurt Meneffey asked me, we played a little live game. Hey, how well do you know your teammate Tom Brady? goes, how many more years did Tom Brady play in the NFL than you? And I played 11 years. And I thought Tom Brady played 24 years. I actually got it wrong. He played 23 years in the NFL. So shame on me. But it was better to be over on that than hit it right on the nose. But that's how many years he played is that I just know it was so many I couldn't even keep track anymore he played 11

years more years than he played 11 years more than you and uh 12 years more than me that is fucking early I played 12 I played 11 years in the NFL and he played more years in the NFL than I put in the NFL he that without me does that make sense yeah yeah like if you I don't know what that's called but that that's a math term yeah that's that's It's called the hole. That's called goat. That's fucking goat. Yeah, that's called jet fuel.

Alex's jet fuel. Alex's jet fuel. Yeah. What was the first time you met Tom? The first time I met Tom was actually what was pretty wild when I was at the University of Arizona. You know, I was doing my interview. I had a couple touchdowns at game. I was showing off my touchdown celebrations.

And then the lady interviewing me, she's like, who do you see being your quarterback in the NFL? And obviously right on the spot, I go, Tom Brady would be the best quarterback to have in the NFL and especially a great fit for me. And that was just the answer, you know. And then I did my touchdown dances and all that. And then what happens? I get drafted to the Patriots and Tom Brady becomes my quarterback in the NFL. It was like I manifested it when I was in college.

I manifested a lot of things. And if you ask Tom, Tom's probably really big into manifesting it as well. He manifested all his Super Bowl. right after he won a Super Bowl, he would already have a clock counting down to the next Super Bowl. So he was manifesting like crazy. You just learned so much knowledge from him. And he's done so many things right to be able to get to, you know, nature of where he is now. It wasn't like he just had the athletic ability.

He showed up. He did everything right. And he put the time in that you can never argue against him. Can't. You can't. Not one bit. So let's get. Let's get back to what was I talking about again?

I don't know. I just got this. Yeah, I got a little off. First time you met him. Oh, the first time I met him. It was in the training room. I was getting my ankles taped and he walked in. So I was there already for the rookie camps, the rookie practices.

And he just walks up to me. He goes, hey, Rob, I'm Tom Brady. And I was like, oh, wow, this guy already knows my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so great as well is that he already knows all the the rookie's names, all the guys that were drafted, what rounds they were drafted in, what type of player they already were. because he wants to know, you know, their athletic ability, you know, what type of guy they are so he can understand them so he can be on the same page as them. Get the best out of them. So he can get the best out of them as well, like you said. And he could have that connections to help win games. So he can be on the same, you know, wavelength as them. So he already knew my name, came up to me. And I just thought it was the coolest thing, man. I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you. It was just super quick. When he left, what did you think in your head?

Tom Brady knew my name. And that was the greatest honor to shake his hand while. getting my ankles taped. And then he goes, wins four Super Bowls with them. That's crazy. I had a similar story. Yeah. What was it like when you met him?

What was that story? I was going from, like you said, we were already in there. When you're a rookie, you get in there before, back in our day, you'd get in there before the vets reported.

And so you'd be there for like three weeks. Did rookie camp and learning installations of everything. And so I had a big book. We all had these books. It was like a five-inch, remember those old old binders? Before we had iPads, we used to have big old binders.

I didn't like carrying them around. I left mine in my locker when I went home. Yeah. Even though you were supposed to bring it home to study, I was like, I ain't carrying that binder. I used to carry it. Yeah, you did. I do.

I was trying to make a goddamn team. You had to. So I'm over here getting five minutes before the special teams meeting. It's true. And I'm running through and the vets came in. And I saw the vets come in because I saw a well. in the cafeteria. Didn't say a word to me.

I was, but I wanted to... Big time you. Big time me a little bit. That's okay. He had a leather jacket on. You big time him now. He looks cool. And I like when you guys big time each other.

It's entertainment for me. All right, back to time though. And so I knew they were in, but I was going to my meeting and he walks through the door. You know the entrance of the locker room from the hall? He walks in there and he goes, like look at him. I dropped my book. I'm like, oh shit.

This dude is taller than I thought. and he goes, hey, I'm Tom. I go, Jules. He goes, I know, we have the same agent. Dragon's my agent, too, or something, something like that. And I was like, nice to meet you. And I felt the same way you felt like, damn, he knew my name. That's fucking crazy.

But he knew that, he knew everyone's name, and he made everyone feel special. And that, that was part of his leadership skill, you know, like what made him such an unbelievable leader. from the meal ladies to, you know, the people in the equipment room, the training staff. Like, it didn't matter what was going on, how the day went. He was always a pretty cool dude to everyone. And everyone was always watching him. You know what I mean? And that's when you're the quarterback of the team, everyone, no matter what is going on in your life,

is watching that person and to see how they react to everything, the success, the failure, your eyes go. to that guy, you know, and he was the perfect guy for us, especially when we're young knuckleheads to look at like, all right, this is how you have to do it. He gave you the example. And, and he was just a fucking, he gave us a blueprint on how to become a reliable, talented, you know, player that you needed to be to help the team win games. He gave us the blueprint on how to become a star out there on the field. He gave us the blueprint on how to make plays, how to go out there and have that mindset ready to go and also be mentally, mentally and physically ready at all times on the practice field and on the game field. There's no doubt about that. And he didn't just give you a blueprint. He

showed you the way too. Showed you. Yes, he showed you. Hey, this is where I want you on this route. This is when you need to look at me. This is where the ball is going to be. Train you. Yes, he trained you to be like that. Oh, a little puppy. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Oh, you want to take you. a break? Hey, man, I'm telling you, your mind will let you go farther. Let's go. Four more routes. Let's go. You got to be able to be on the same page as me. You got to be right here. Be more physical. Be more

physical. You're bigger than everyone. Run his ass over and turn around and the ball will be there. I promise you. And if you don't hit that guy, if you're not physical, guess what? The ball's not going to come to you. He would just lay it out just like that. His leadership was just what's that where it was just

brutally honest? Yes, brutally honest. And that's what made him so great to. So like with him, that's what he always harp to gronk. With me, I remember in those, because a lot of times we would get that coach in the offseason when we'd go fly out somewhere we would throw together, you know, because there's times where you would do it. There was times where I would do it. He would always try to get his throws in with his guys.

And for me, he'd always come up to me and like, hey, I need you to be here. I need you to be like a boxer. You know, you can't be. You can't just do what the thing shows you on the paper. You have to feel it out. You got to set things up with your jab and then you use your right. You know, it's like a boxer. You got to be more savvy in your route running.

That's, I remember you saying that. And then he'd always say, like, you got to run like a fucking, you got to be able to run. You got to be able to run all day. And like you said, when you were tired, we would do those sets of routes. He'd make you do three or four extra ones. And he would say, you'd line up and you would, you'd think that the drill was done. and he would say, oh, there's off sides on a penalty on your teammates or there was a holding call or P.I. or we got to redo it.

And he knew you were dog dead, but he wanted to see, he wanted to get everything out of you. When you were on empty, he wanted to see what kind of guy you were. And he wanted to show you that's what he expected in game time. And a word that you could have used in there as well that kind of sums it up a little bit is he loved a decisive route run. Decisive. Decisive. He didn't care if the paper said run 10 yards and run out. He didn't care one bit.

He cared about being decisive on the practice field and taking that decisiveness and bringing it to the game field. He goes, hey, if you're going to run 12 yards, even though it's a 10 yard route or if you're going to run 8 yards and it's going to be a little short, just be decisive. Let me know when you're going to break out. Let me know when you're going to break down so I can get that ball out and I can read you. I don't need you to have 15 steps where you're slow. I think you're going to go to the left and then you go to the right. Decisive.

Be decisive. If you're decisive, I will find you and that ball will be out and it will be right on point. That's what he said. What's the biggest misconception of him, you think? The biggest misconception of Tom Brady.

I think he's that he's cool. Yeah, he is cool. No, I think that's the biggest misconception. He's not that cool. Depends. That's the misconception right there. Because he's cool when he's comfortable. He's cool.

But no, I think he's comfortable in the situation. I think he's not cool when he's comfortable. I think when he's around us, he's kind of like a dork. Yeah, a little bit. And then when to everyone else, he's the coolest guy, which I still think he's the coolest guy ever. But then when you have him around, you're like, he's really kind of a dork.

There's some situations where, you know, if he's comfortable, he's more himself. Yes. Yes. And he's more like, you know, like dad joking. If he knows all the cameras are shut off, like he can finally just have some time to beat Tom. Yeah, he's kind of dorky. Okay.

Okay. I like this. You need a little dork in your quarterback. You do. Mostly all quarterbacks are a little dorky. And that's what makes some quarterbacks. I mean, not all of them, but I'm saying it's kind of like just a trait. What quarterbacks have.

But a little bit, just a little bit in them. He is cool. But he's a little dorky. But you just said he's not cool. No, I said the biggest misconception. He's cool. He always keeps a chip on his shoulder. Always.

That's not a misconception. I think everyone knows that. That's work ethic. I know, but I'm just giving some facts about him. What else is a misconception? That he's not clutch. No, that's not even a misconception.

Everyone knows he's clutch. Yeah, that's, that's. I just wanted to try to throw you off, Jules. How about this guy also played baseball and got drafted? Yeah, by the Expos. Montreal. Yeah, no wonder why he didn't go and play baseball. The Expos?

I mean, they have a cool hat. They do got cool colors. They're gone, though. They're not even there no more. That's what I mean. That's why he didn't want to go there. He's like, oh, man, my legacy, I go there. The team's going to be gone.

That means I'm going to be gone. I want to last forever. I'll go to the New England Patriots instead. Yeah, he was in high school. when he got drafted. He went to the same high school. He was going to the Patriots. Yeah.

He went to that. I remember, well, we grew up in the same area. So he went to the same high school as Lynn Swan, Barry Bonds. There's like so many

really good athletes that come out of that freaking school. Sarah, it's an all-boy school. What was the moment that Tom made you the most annoyed? Oh my God. When I would return punts,

like I remember my rookie year. It was the freaking preseason game. it was my first punt return and there was a repunt and I ended up house in the second one but the first one I see Tom on the sideline and he's got a little anxiety because it's his first game from his knee

so he's like he was like coaching me up on how to return a punt he's like just get up there I'm looking at him like fuck this guy this guy's never done this he does not know what I'm feeling right now I was so annoyed with them and then they repunted it

and I housed it And I fucking slammed the ball against the thing. I was fired up and I was like, I was so annoyed with them. I was like, this guy is, he's never felt what it feels when the guys are running full. This is new to me. I didn't ever felt it either at the time. So I was like, fuck this guy. Let me do what I got to do.

He doesn't know how to run. And I was so annoyed with him. I'll tell you mine. What was yours? When I was a rookie and I couldn't get outside of the defender on a flag route, which is flag route, which is a corner route. So you run about 10, 12 yards. you, you know, you give a little stick and you break it 45 degrees and run a corner route.

And the defender was always outside of me sitting at like squatting at 10 yards. And he's always says, get outside. If you have a flag route, corner route, you got to get outside of the defender or else I will never throw you the freaking ball. So I was a rookie. I was kind of like clunky. So I wasn't really that athletic as a rookie. You know, I wasn't running route. Tired. Right.

Double days and shit. Yeah, I was tired as well. I couldn't get outside. And in practice, I didn't get outside of the guy. He's like two, three yards outside of me too. And I'm trying to fake him like I'm going inside and trying to get around them on the corner. And Brady just turns around in the meeting because it's on film. And he turns around.

He goes, Gronk, I'm fucking done throwing you the ball. I told you 50 times to get outside. You're not getting outside. And like, I got all sad. And Al J. Crumpler started patting my leg. And he's like, it's okay, grunk. He doesn't mean it.

And I was like, yeah, he does. LG. He means it, man. He means it. And let me tell you, this time, you fucking throwing me the ball like a thousand times after. So I knew he was all bullshit, Tom telling me he was never going to throw me the ball again. I was literally like, but that fired me up. I was like, oh, all right, I'm going to show this guy.

But that's the leadership he had. He was brutally honest. Brutely honest. And he would freaking get you to go to the next level, which was crazy, which was crazy. He was so good at it. But I was so annoyed because I couldn't get outside of the guy. I'm like, I want to be like, Tom, run the freaking route. I guarantee you can't get outside of the guy either.

He's three yards outside of me. And then if I got outside of him, it was basically like an out route I was running because I would have to flatten it so much. So I couldn't really run the corner route. Then you get in the other responsibility, the other guy. But he just wanted to get a defender in practice

is playing the play. Yeah. And he knew the play. He just wanted to get the point across. Yeah. Like, so it was just always in my memory. And every time I ran a route,

it was kind of just like on autopilot just to get outside of the defender. So I was annoyed at that, you know, with that situation. But, you know, times have changed. I started running routes where I would go inside the guy and then he would still throw him in a ball as well later on because he's like, all right.

He proved it enough that you can do it. Well, then you guys start throwing the back shoulder shit. Yeah, then we started doing all that. I also used to get really annoyed when in meeting rooms, if he liked you and this, I felt both of these. I felt when he liked a guy, he would like love them up. And then there would be so, like, when West was there, I get so annoyed when I would do the exact same thing that Wes would do.

And he wouldn't think it was good. And I would get so fucking annoyed with them. But I remember when Wes left, then I was that guy. There was guys doing trying to do what I would do. And he wouldn't. So like, I would get annoyed with that so much when he would always bring up like,

babe, just do it a little more like Wesie. He called him Wesie. When he called him Wesie, remember Wesie? I used to get so much. annoyed. You want to know what I would get annoyed with him too is like we're in the off season we just ran 50 routes it's like you and I out there only we're dead tired it's 90 degrees

outside middle of the summer and he'd be like one more just one more route because he's just throwing the ball his arm can throw 150 passes a day and we're running the freaking 50 routes and he'd be one more so then we would run run more we'd give it our on we're about to throw up it's middle of the summer we probably are hungover he has no clue what that's like because he used to he used to We didn't get to see him, though. And then he became lame. Yeah, he became lame for like a couple years. Nah, he, back in the day.

I guess he wasn't lame. If you're saying he's not lame, he was lame, okay? Say it, Jules. No, he was lame. Like, when it came to that, it was lame. But we didn't get him when he was young. Yeah, I know.

He was already 33 when I first met him. And I can tell you, I'm freaking lame at 33 years old. Exactly. Compared to when I was freaking. 21 to 28 years old. You're right. Because when he was 23, 24, he was the, you know,

he was the best chugger on the team. He was. Like, he was a dude's dude. So back to the story, like, he'd be one more. And then you would run one more route and they'd be like, one more. And then you'd just be like,

Tom, I'm not effing running one more. I just ran 50 routes. You know, one more, but one more. You want to get better? One more. And then it'd be like 15 more routes. And then finally it was the last one. And it was 50 and then you get to 7.

He's like, he just wanted 75 throws. Yeah. He wanted 75 throws. Whatever time says you do. You got to. You got to. I remember those days, man. That's what made us great, though.

What was the moment that like you felt like you truly gained his trust and that he could rely on you. Even if you mess up again, he knows that you're still reliable. You know what I'm saying? What was that moment? What was that catch? What was that play? If it was a practice or if it was. He was going to West left.

Well, because he loved, he loved. You just were not playing when West was there. Okay, Jules? No, but he- You couldn't have Tom Brady's trust when you were on the bench. Yeah, when you were on the bench. He was when West left. He didn't like bench players, okay?

He didn't like it. It was when he left. He had no one, he had to trust me. He had to, all right. And then it was week, it was week one and 13 where we played Buffalo and we went out there. And we won. I had two touchdowns.

And, and that's when I felt like, all right, because we had some, we had some spurts where, you know, West would we get banged up and he wouldn't play. But he didn't like, trust me,

trust me. Until you had to be the guy. Until you had to be the guy. Yes. And then he truly trusted you. And that's the situation, though. He doesn't really trust a guy that, you know,

he's not able to throw to. He's just got to see it. 15 times, a practice. You know, he has to see it. He has to do the repetitions with you in order to truly,

gain your trust and it doesn't happen overnight. No, he gains your trust. And you gain his trust as well, you know, just over time, over time. I would say mine situation was when we played the Chicago Bears on the one on one panther route when I was going. Was in the snow? Yeah, versus Brian Urlacker. And he wanted to gain my trust.

He wants to see me be physical. That's what he always emphasized to me. Be fucking physical, gron. You're 260 pounds. You're going versus 180 pounders. or linebackers that you're still bigger. Be physical. And this was the play panther out one out run.

I run into the end zone, kind of hit the guy with my shoulder, then turn around and the ball will be right there. Because when you're physical, you know, pushes the guy back a little bit when you use your shoulder, you turn around, then there's that little ounce of separation.

And Tom can see that. He can see the field. He can see all the separation in the world. He sees it. He sees it. He can see every little detail that's going out on the field. And when he sees that little detail in that route,

you know, with the physical. He knows that you're going to be open. There's going to be a little window. I hit Brian Erlacker. We practiced it in that Friday. He says, I want to see that in the game because I ran it great on Friday. So the game comes when I won versus Brian and Lerlacker.

Give him the shoulder, turn right around the balls right there, nice and low, where it's always supposed to be in the red zone. Boom, catch it. And ever since then, I gained Tom Brady's trust right there and then on the spot, which was one of the greatest moments of my career. Yeah, I remember that. You know, he had to see it. That's what makes him.

He's a dog, man. He's an assassin. He is an assassin. What's your favorite Tom memory? My favorite Tom memory is, actually, this is one of my favorite memories of all time, you know, when we were playing the Indianapolis Colton, I ran that five-yard out route, caught it versus Dequal Jackson. I did a little spin move.

He kind of fell, did a little split. It was like very great route by me and great after the catch two. And then I'm running. you know, I'm going. There's a couple other guys. And here comes Julian Adam in. Kaboom! Just absolutely levels Adams.

The safety, you know, gets them out of my way. I'm like, thanks, Jules, for the block, you know. And then I'm running into the end zone. I jump over Butler. Yeah. D.B. Yeah, D.B. What's his first name again?

Darius. Yeah, Darius. Butler, who was previously on the Patriots. And then he went to the Colts. And now he's doing a great job in the media. He kills him. Macafee show. He's doing a great job.

So shout out to Darius Butler, but I jumped over his ass. It made me look good. Flipped into the end zone. I looked like an athletic 180 pound wide receiver. And then this was the moment, one of my favorite moments with him. Tom loved the route, loved the catch, loved your block. He was so pumped up. He ran full speed from the 30-yard line and probably because I got him a touchdown on a play

where it never should have been a touchdown. And he came running full speed and jumped on my back. and went for a ride, man. He was, I was like a pony on a horse, man. I brought him for a ride, man. I was carrying Tom Brady around in the freaking end zone. He was on my back. He was on my back.

Put the pony on the horse's back. I was waiting for him to drop that quarter in so the ride can keep on going. Yes. I didn't want him to get off. I was like, Tom Brady's on my back. Like, what else do I need in my life? Oh, my God. Yeah.

And it's one of my favorite pictures to sign to this day as well. I don't think he ever signed it. It costs like $5 billion to get him to sign a pitcher. So like I always sign the pitcher of him on my back. And like I'm waiting for that picture to be worth a lot more money once he signs it a couple, you know. But he hasn't signed it yet. Man, that was a fucking fun play. That was a fun play.

Thank you for that black. Oh, you level. Adams. Adams. He's talking in the. He's a good safety too. We used to battle. He was with Denver.

A bunch. He battled us a lot, man. He brought it. He brought it to and he wasn't scared. He was good. Yeah. There it is. There's a pitcher right there. Oh, wait. It's signed. There it is, man. He's going for a ride. I'm still waiting for those quarters, Tom. Oh my gosh. There's Tim Wright right in the back too. We won the Super Bowl this year. Didn't we?

Yeah, we were a Super Bowl this year. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was. Who Man was a tight end as well on the team. Tim Wright and Who Man? I love Who Man. Now, what was your favorite memory? Joel. My favorite memory was when we it kind of

that 14 when he uh we hit that route he came up to me afterwards and he and he goes that was a championship route man and like it was nothing crazy that's that's special and he when he

you know he goes that was a championship play man and then we didn't win the game yet. You're making me want a tear right now him saying that's a championship route, that's a championship play, that means a lot. Yeah. And then afterwards when he,

we won, you know, like that was his, that was when he got four. And I just remember, you know, there were so many memories of him, like you said,

how he's having the ticker of the Super Bowl location and the whole story where I said, man, I'm going to help you try to get to Joe. And because I, we were both Bay Area fans, love Joe Montana.

And I told me, was the greatest quarterback of all time and, you know, that all, that was just a fun memory. There's so, it's, it's hard to fucking do one. All right. I mean, I'm going to start crying. I know, me too. There's a lot of memories with Tom. It's just great to see him.

He's doing so good in the broadcasting booth. I mean, if he just puts in 10% of the effort that he did with the game of football in his after career, in his post career after football, he's going to have the whole world. Which he know he is. To eat from. He's going to be successful in anything that he does. And that's what he's going to do. He's actually going to go 100% all in with what he does.

He's great in the booth, like I said. And he's been improving so much every single week. And it just shows he is actually human. I mean, week one, he was good. He got the win, but he definitely could improve. And then all of a sudden, week two and three, you're like, what the heck? How did he just go from being like a rookie quarterback to a veteran quarterback in one week in the broadcast booth? So just shout out to him.

I mean, he dedicates himself and he works on his craft. Like no one ever has before. And that's what makes him, you know, the greatest, the greatest at everything. He cares about making the people look right that give him opportunity. He does. He cares about that he takes it to heart. And he cares about showing the people that has passed on him that they've fucked up too. Yeah.

He loves that. He likes that. So don't ever pass on Tom. Brady. No, I won't. The only thing I'll pass on is that I was kind of a little hesitant when I said he was lame, but he was pretty lame, except for when he wins a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay and he gets hammered on a damn boat. Like, where was that fucking Tom around us? I was bullshit. I was waiting for that the whole entire time in New England. I was too. That's why I went to Tampa Bay. I went there for that moment. I didn't really want to play football

again. I just wanted that moment that I could actually get wasted with Dom. But guess what? He was on a separate boat than me. I didn't even see him at the at that boat break. So guess what? I still never had a drink with Tom. It took me all the way until the roast to have a drink with Tom Brady. And that's why it was in the roast. I said Tom, I never had a shot with you ever in my life for a drink. And he took a shot with me at the roast. So that was that was a cool moment. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's been 33 minutes. How long can talk about this guy. I think maybe we should have him on again for another episode. Because literally, I got literally I can talk about this guy all day long. I can go literally two hours. The more we talk about him, the more stories that pop up in my head.

Same. The more stories about him on the field, off the field, what it's like to be around him. We could talk literally for four hours straight, Jules. What kind of dude is Tom Brady? Well, what type of dude is Tom Brady, ladies and gentlemen? I think he is done. I think this is easy. freak dog whiz I think this is easy dude dude I don't know what do you think

if it's easy let's hear let's hear why it's easy he's just a fucking dog he is a dog mental physical toughness always motivated he didn't have the pedigree he was he was

we saw the Brady six of the six guys before him taken in the draft like he always had to go the long road he always had to work for everything even when he was at his top

they were always talking about someone else. He's a fucking dog. I wouldn't say freak because a freak is like someone that has like the most athletic ability in the world. And he didn't really have the most athletic ability. But what's made him so great was that he didn't need the athletic ability because the dog was working harder than the athletic dog, you know, that wasn't the freak dog that really,

or the freaky person that wasn't really working. I think he's got freak skillness. He's got like, like shooting like, like, basically like it's kind of like an archer. Freak instincts. He could throw. Yes. He can like throw rocks really good.

He could probably skip a rock really, really, really good. He probably really good at pool. Yeah. Like ping pong. Ping pong. Well, I see it. Yeah, you always beat him. Never mind.

He's not good at ping pong. Yeah, he gets really mad when he loses. See, that's a dog. That is a dog. That's a dog. He wants to go again, though. He wants to go again. He won't let you leave.

He won't let you leave. He won't let you fucking leave. I mean, we haven't even got to this guy's looks yet either. I mean, we can just say that he's a stud real quick just because of how good he looks. Yeah, I mean, he looks younger than when he got in the NFL. Like his chin, jawline, freaking just facial. Beautiful blue eyes. He posted a picture the other day on Instagram. Like, he's got like a six pack now. Like his arms are jacked. Like, I mean, he's doing two days. He is doing two days. He's doing two days right now. He's got his body. He's still. So that's why maybe AI was fucking right.

He's maybe AI. Is he coming back? Is Tom Brady coming back? I don't know. He got six-pack. He got a little. His hair's looking as brown as ever. He gave me the supplement.

He saw my gray hair and he goes, babe. And he still played. Take this fucking Uisha. I think it's like Uisha, ooh or something. It's some Chinese medicine. And you put it in the shake. And my hair is already growing. Is it, is my hair darker?

That's why I don't have a hat on the show. I wanted to show off my hair because I hair darker. Oisha product. It's like, ooh, I don't know how to pronounce it. Uiash. It's Ushy, ooh.

Oshy, I got hair. I don't, whatever it is, look at how good his hair looks. It's just good looking guy. Man, he's a dog. All right, he's a dog. He is a dog.

It's official. Tom Brady is a dog. Man, we can talk about him forever. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Kelpen. And on my new. podcast, here we go again. We'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep

repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, Are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lili Singh, and Bill Nye.

When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday. A shutdown means we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market. What does a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples?

and so they sort of become outsides indicators of inflation. What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to message that Musk is coming back. He's putting politics aside. He's left the White House. And what can the PCE tell you that the CPI can't? CPI tries to measure out-of-pocket costs that consumers are paying for things, whereas the PCE index that the Fed targets is a little bit broader of a measure

Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's what I've been told. And that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved. Until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincyxie. killed her, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people,

and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her. or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said it.

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said this isn't a joke. And he got down. And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time.

Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenna World. Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video, and The Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. I'm Molly Lambert, host of Heidi World The Heidi Fly Story, and I'll be your tour guide on a wild ride through adult films. We get paid more than the men. We call the shots.

In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our life. In the 1990s, actress Jenna Jameson crossed over into mainstream culture, redefined stardom, then left it all behind. I'm a powerful woman. I think that's intimidating to a man. With a cast of hundreds of actors and comedians playing key figures, we'll take a look at how adult films became legal in the 70s,

hugely profitable in the 80s and 90s, and fell off a financial cliff in the 2000. Listen to Geno World on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What dude do we have this moment? Here we go. AIS summary. Oh, we have a coach here, Jules. Coach.

This NFL coach and former player stands at 6 foot, 4 inches tall. That's 2 inches shorter than me. And weighs 261 pounds. That is 8 pounds less than me, Jules. A versatile. 8 pounds, that's me. He's 261. It's 261 plus 8.

It's 269. Yes, I'm 269. So I'm 8 pounds more than this coach. A versatile linebacker who played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, New England Patriots, and Kansas City Chiefs. Wow. Can you guess who this is yet, Joe? I know who it is.

After being drafted in the third round in 1997. 97. He's so old. I was like, eight years old then. I was like 11. He won three Super Bowls with the Patriots. And in first team, all pro honors in 2007,

known for his tough physical play and leadership on the field. Well, that kind of translates to why he's a coach now. And while also moonlighting as a goal line tight end. Gold line tight end. More touchdowns than me, I think. In the Super Bowl. All right. But not overall.

Growing up in Akron, Ohio. Oh, Jules. He has some roots with you, man. You guys are Ohio guys. He played college football at the Ohio State University. After retiring as a player, he transitioned to coaching, serving as a head coach in the NFL for six seasons before taking on his current role as a head coach of the New England Patriots.

There we go, ladies and gentlemen. And this dude? Let's get on Mike Rable. Mike Rable, ladies and gentlemen. Hit the clock. Hey, Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear to name Mike Brable? First thing that comes to my mind is just a tough guy. He's just a tough.

How tough? Actually, the first thing comes to my mind is an asshole. Asshole. Because he just, I mean. A tough asshole. A tough asshole. Okay, there we go. We never played with Brabs, but because of how legendary he was.

We've only heard stories. The stories were always. about like three people. Vrable, Brusky, and Izzo. And like, Vrabs was always at the helm of these crazy stories that just floated around the Patriots locker room. Busting balls. That comes to my head.

Like, I always, you always kind of remember hearing how Braves would get on to Brady and Brady would get on Braves and those wars at practice. what's the first thing that comes to your mind? A tough SOB, you know, a football player. A guy that has knowledge of the game as a player and as a coach. And he's from Ohio. And let me tell you, Ohio football is underrated. And you learn a lot about, you know, football and who you are, you know, as a person as well,

when you grow up in the state of Ohio. How do I know that? Because I played my senior year in Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh was a big rival. just the state of Pennsylvania was a big rival to the state of Ohio. You got the Pittsburgh versus Ohio, you know, whatever that, you know, all-star games. There's an all-star game, yeah. And just have, you know, just are tough people.

Tough players come out of, you know, come out of the state of Ohio and Pennsylvania. They're very similar. They're kind of underrated compared to, you know, you always hear about Florida, California, Texas, all that's where all the stars come from. But all the tough guys come from, you know, the Upper East, you know, in the U.S. like Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York. But he's a football guy. Football legend.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Did you just try to throw New York football? Yeah, I threw New York in there. Did you just try to sneakily throw New York football in to tough guys? Yeah, because I'm from Buffalo. And I went to, you know, like I said, I went to Pittsburgh. I'll let that slide.

I'll let that slide. I'll let that slide. But, yeah, Buffalo, they got some tough ass OBs here. I'm telling you, they got me, they got my brother. who played in the NFL, my other brother who played in the NFL too. And yeah, yeah, we're rolling, baby. We're rolling.

Freaking raves. What stands out to me when we were talking about him the other day, though, is how he was drafted in the third round to the Pittsburgh Steelers and you told me that fact. And it was kind of shocking to me because I thought he was a New England patriot

from day one because of just all the stories that you heard about him, just the way that he played the game when he was in New England and what he did for, you know, the Patriots as well. So I had absolutely no clue that he got drafted to the Steelers. Can you tell me how that happened as well, how he got to New England? Because you kind of were telling me a little bit. Well, he was a teamer.

I mean, he played at Pittsburgh. I think he was drafted in 97 was a special teamer. And then I think once he became a free agent, Bill like really wanted him or something. Was that it? Yeah, so. Why does Bill have like this nag of just finding these white dudes that just want to play football, just work hard, and they're not so good at the moment. And then he just blossomed from up.

Versatile guys. I think there's a guy sitting next to me like that. I mean, me too, kind of. That's his project. Nikovic was a long snapper. Welker. Welker. In Miami?

I mean, what was he just kind of a punt returner? Yeah, but I think he had 70 catches. He had a big year. He had a big year at Miami. Not like a huge year like he had in. New England for all these years. But he had a decent solid year in Miami. No, but yeah, Mike was the guy that Bill always used to reference.

Like, you think you're smart. You're not no frable. Like, and that's when you know someone's a smart football player is when Bill's referencing him in motherfucking you. Mm-hmm. You know, like that was always kind of like one thing that stuck out. And then just hearing from like Jimmy Whalen, the training staff on how, Rable was in the locker room

like hell core he was like him and Willie Mac and brew like he there was like the holy Trinity of guys that everyone had to walk through that kept everyone accountable and I'm really you know I'm pretty excited I'm excited for this this new generation of Patriots now

with that said I still think the whole Mayo situation that he got the short end of the stick on this and I feel terrible for him and I think he's going to do well. But like, that really wasn't set up to to really succeed. Not at all. I think it was a little bit unfair. But shout out to Mayo because he's a great

coach. He knows the game of football tremendously. And, you know, I just think that it wasn't set up properly for him. And I feel like he's going to have some success in the future, you know, with another organization and possibly be another head coach down the road, you know, once he gets his foot back on the gas pedal. But Vrable coming in now, like, all this stuff that you hear keeping guys accountable like he's going to be the first doing it and he can he can get away with saying things to guys

the way he says it because he did it he played it and he's just as smarter as the guys that coached him at it so like when you have all those things and he's a burly motherfucker like he's a big man when you shake his hands his hands

wrapped to your wrist. He's got big ass hands. Man strength. Man strength. I still think he got four or six plays in him. You think he could play right now? Four or six plays. Yeah, four to six plays. Like you know that offensive package the New England Patriots had for him. And talking about that offensive package, I think he had 10 catches his whole entire career for 10 touchdowns. What a fucking, what's a ratio

from catch to TD is 100%. That's of all time. Insane. And that's just how smart of a player he was is that he knew how to get open on the offensive. side of the ball and then on top of it on the defense side of the ball. I mean, just creative and just how good he was, just knowing the game. You know what makes me so sad though? What's

sad? What makes you sad? Now you're making me sad. No, it makes me sad because we always hear about the stories about Brady when he was like the young guy in the team and how Vrable and all these guys used to like motherfuck him and it was a completely... And picked on Tom. It was a completely

different Tom that we played with. So like we were... And like you couldn't, there was only a couple guys that really could jaw with Tom, but everyone was so scared to do it. And Tom would be hungry to jaw with people, like talk shit. But like everyone was so scared to talk shit to Tom because he was already Tom by then.

You know, like it was always makes me like, man, I wish we got to see him in those early stages where you were more kind of part of the boys instead of him being like the older brother, uh, guy figure. You understand? And Brable was like that, older brother figure to Tom.

Yeah. And we didn't get to see any of that. We got to see the time where he was our older brother. And it would have been amazing to be a part of that crew. But we're just the second, you know, era of the New England Pages. But there were so many times, like you said, in the training room and the coaches that were around for able, like, oh, you would have loved the guy so much. You would have loved to play with him. Yeah.

He gives it all. He gives it his all out on the field. I mean, he's a guy that you want to be friends with as well in the locker room because he's just fun to be around. But also at the same time, he's going to go. all out for you out on the field. I mean, he was a grinder. I mean, gritty, great size as a player. And he was an inside, outside threat as a player out there out in the field. And I think that's why Bill loved him so much because how versatile he was, a special teamer could play inside backer

and outside backer. And when Bill gets a guy like that, he utilizes their skill in so many different aspects of the game. And he makes you a tremendous a player. And he blossoms you like no other. and that's why Bill loves those type of guys when he can get them in free agency. 1,000% think about it. Like, he's played on every phase of the game at a high level in an important game. He's been a teamer.

So like when he's addressing the team and he's watching fucking the film or having like a highlight thing that he's probably presenting the team, he can break down guy for guy because he's done it at the pro level. On defense, he knows everything about defense because he's, you know,

he was, he basically was in the school of doctorates on the defense through Belichick, learning through him and then actually being on the field and experiencing it is another way he gets to coach guy. And then in offense, like, yeah, he was on a package or two. But I remember going and going on the other side of the ball when I had to play corner. Like even being in those meeting rooms for the little amount of time that I was, it opened up my mind so differently on how I thought about offense when I went back to offense and how I was attacking the defense.

He's done that on offense. So, like, he can break down the whole, the whole game. And he's a masculine figure that's going to make you do it right. And if you don't, he's going to motherfucker you get rid of you. He's going to make people accountable. That's how it was. The Patriot way that it was developed through these guys. I mean, and just talking about his knowledge of the game and just the mastermind he has

within the rulebook of the NFL as well. Remembering the 2019 play. else. Rable intentionally took a 12 man on the field penalty just to keep Brady off of the field. I mean, he kind of outplayed Belichick in that situation because Belichick was the master of knowing the rules inside and out and using that to his advantage. And this is a time when Rable used it to his advantage and it was against the mastermind coach Belichick.

So I learned that. Pretty incredible by him to do that. I learned about that little mastermind bullshit is when we went to the Kentucky Derby one year and he fucking was he was my handicapper for the horses and I made like 20 grand like Rable loves like that kind of shit we were sitting there and I'm

I have no clue on how to gamble these horses and Raibs is over here got his dip in I think he had a cigarette maybe a shot or two in him and he's fucking yeah he was smoking sings with a dip in I'm not joking sings with a dip I love this guy now and

we go and we go to the little thing where you have to put your shit in and I'm like Braves, what I do? He's like, don't worry, Edelman. I got you. He fucking puts him on there. We hit a like a three thing parlay or something. He's just a smart guy. He's a smart guy that like can beat you up. What's the biggest thing in year one that he has to emphasize in New England? What do you think, Jules? Well, he got to get some linemen. Mm-hmm. He got to get some linemen. It's a good point right there. He got a, they got a whole lot of money to spend. Now, knowing Mike, through the years that

known him. I'm sure he took this job knowing that he is going to be able to spend some money. He's in a great situation heading into his first year. Obviously, he's got Drake May, who's an unbelievable quarterback. He's going to develop him to best of his potential, no doubt about that. Who's he bringing in an O.C.? I would say Josh McDaniels. I would love to see Josh McDaniels go there, but he has to go through the whole process. Maybe he has a guy or two out there that he's thinking about bringing in, but he's going through

all that hiring process interview. I think that would be great. But Josh McDaniels would be the best fit. Josh, Josh ain't going anywhere. He ain't. He ain't. And he loves it there.

I believe Josh is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league as well. I mean, he knows how to develop players. He helped develop me. He developed you, develop me, put me in the right situations all the time when I was in New England. He knows how to relate to guys as well,

which is really good. I mean, you need that, you know, with these young bucks these days. I mean, he made Mac Jones a pro bowler. Mm-hmm. And his rookie year.

And then he left and then ain't no pro-baller from there on out. No, there hasn't been. Hasn't been. I'll contribute all that to most of that to McDaniels. McDees. McDees. I like that name. I never heard that.

I don't know. What about Vray ball? He took Ryan Tanyhill out of Miami. Everyone thought he was going to be out of the league. And he basically made him into a pro-bowler. Yeah. Basically got the number one seat in the playoffs and almost made the Super Bowl, you know, a couple years with him too.

So he knows how to develop quarterbacks. He knows how to get the best out of guys because he brings that type of energy, you know, on the field in the meeting rooms to get the best out of players. And that's why I hear about Vrable. And that's why people love playing for him out of the guys that I know in Tennessee. I think he just feels safe when you're around him. I feel safe. I feel like whenever he was, whenever we hang out, we've gone out and done things together.

I just feel safe. Mm-hmm. He's just burly. And he's also got the wit and like the strategy to like if something, some shit were to happen in like a bar or something. Like he'd know an escape route, maybe take down like seven, eight people himself and then get us like he just feels safe with a guy like Vrabel. He's the guy you want your daughter to marry. I don't know about that. Oh, all right.

All right. Well, I like when you're saying you feel safe around. I mean, you want your daughter to marry someone that? She feels safe around. So you check me there. Man, I'm excited for them. I'm sad for Mayo. This is like a, this is really like one of those things where it's like a divorce.

This is, I can't, New England keeps on putting me in these goddamn divorces. I feel like a kid that's had like five divorce parents. What can you explain more? Well, when Bill, Brady, that divorce. Oh, yeah. Now, you know, Mayo freaking Braves, that divorce. There's like fucking hell of, because we're all like intertwined and it's kind of like incestual. You're kind of like the red-headed stepchild that's just been there throughout the whole time.

That's just takes all the beatings. But in the end, you're going to still be standing there. Make it tough. It does make you tough. Makes you tough. Man. And that's why you're the toughest guy I know, Jules. Also, I'd be crazy to say that, yeah, our last game with Tom Brady,

Brable beat us. That's why variable's back. That's why he's back. If he didn't win that game... If he didn't win that game, he might not be back. He might not be the head coach of the New England Patriots. And maybe he wouldn't. Because maybe he...

He sent Tom Brady packing in his last game as a New England Patriot. That's probably his greatest... That's probably what he said. The first line in the interview. Did he say that? No, I'm just saying I would. But hey, Mr. Kraft, who sent Tom packing? I bet you he said.

Did hire me. Hire me now. Braves has no filter where he probably would say shit like that. He's the only player to have two touchdowns in a sack in a game, offense and defense. I mean, his versatility. Is there any other coach out there that you think could beat up Rable?

I think a good fight would be Dan Campbell and him. Oh, it's a good point. But I'm taking Braves because Braves D-N. Campbell, he was a tight end. Yeah. So what? What are you saying about tight ends,

Jules? They're just not that tough. They're not as tough as D-E-S. I agree with you. You're one of one, I agree with you. Tight-ins ain't as tough as D-Ns. And D-Ns are beastly, man.

D-Ns are huge. You got to be fearless as a DEM. DEMC-O-Ryan's, he could be in there. They all say McDermann is like a wrestler. It could be. Iowa wrest. But I think Braves is a wrestler, too. And Braves used to go against

fucking Steve Neal all the time, which Steve Neal was world champion. So Vraib's already got a little in on that. So I think he's, I think Vraibs is taking, it's just weight, weight class on McDermott. He may have the skill technique, but Vrable would swallow him. Oh, shit. What kind of dude is Mike Vrable?

I mean, he's stud, no doubt about it. Football IQ's up there, the pedigree. He's also a wizard. He does look like. Like, basically played every position. He also has the best chin. He does. I mean, he's got the best chin in football, other than like the coach coward.

Like he's taking that. Having a nice chin's a stud. 1,000% like he looks like the Ohio guy. When you put Ohio guy in dictionary for like recruit, it's like big white guy, big chin, looks like Mustafa from fucking Beauty and the Beast. Yeah. I never seen Beauty in the Beast.

Or is that one? So I don't know. Gustav. You know. Gustav or something. Yeah. Never seen it. Freak.

I mean, he had like man strength. That's what everyone always. talked about his man strength. Dog, he's definitely a dog. No doubt. He could be a locker room guy. I was thinking whiz. I was going to go with whiz. I mean, just how clutch he was in

situations and just how knowledgeable he was in the defense side of the ball. He's a dude's a dude's dude in patriot world. Like in bizarro world, which is not really like everywhere else where like being an asshole and bullying is like being positive there.

So, you know what I mean? That's positive because it makes you accountable. So I wouldn't put him in the overall category of dudes do. I would go on three. What do you think? One. Let's go on three. One, two, three.

Whiz! He's definitely a whiz. I mean, special teamer knows that game inside and out. Defense, I mean, clearly played defense was one of the best out there, one of the toughest. And then I knew what to do on the offense side of the ball, too, scoring touchdowns. He's a whiz. And then also. Oh, whiz.

The fucking Bella checking the Bella check. Mm-hmm. With the timeouts. With the 12 men on the field. To keep Brady off the field. You know? So. Wizard.

He's a whiz. Next. Our next guest, though, I think we should go over to the Alabama side. Yeah, we're fair. We're fair. We're very fair. This guy, though, was never fair on a goal line play. Or he was never fair on a second in 10 in the Super Bowl or second in goal in the Super Bowl

where he had to make a life-changing play to create and tackle Marshawn Lynch. This guy had the hugest calves I've ever seen. Next guest, Dante Hightower, Danta, I mean Dante High Tower. Dante High Tower. Julian, even I know it's Dante. I'll get into it after AI. And what's AI have to say about Dante? Because we know him.

Is the AI synopsis? Obviously, I'm improving my speaking skills because I couldn't say synopsis on our very first episode, Julian, and now I can't. So this is what's so great about dudes on dudes is that we're getting smarter as well, being complete dudes overall. Synopsis. Synopsis. All right, here we go.

Synopsis on Dante High Tower. He's a former NFL linebacker. Dante Hightower is a former NFL linebacker known for his leadership and versatility on the field. A two-time pro bowler, High Tower played his entire nine-year NFL career with the New England Patriots, the same amount of years I play with the New England Patriots. nine. Helping the team win three Super Bowl titles, just like myself, helping the New England Patriots win three Super Bowl titles.

I love this guy already. Prior to his NFL career, he was a standout at the University of Alabama, where he was a key figure and winning two BCS National Championships. Jesus. This freaking guy is a winner. That's all I know. Five championships at the highest level. Two in college, three in the NFL over what?

Over a 13, 14 year period? That guy wins. Ridiculous. Winner. winner chicken dinner that's for sure born and raised in Lewisburg Tennessee oh the vall's must not

like him I know that's crazy I don't want you to go to Tennessee wow maybe he didn't want to go to Mayo's footsteps oh shots shots fired all right High Tower was known for his high football

IQ and relentless work ethic after we're hiring in 2022. High Tower joined the Patriots coaching staff while also pursuing business ventures, spending time with his family and engaging in charitable work, earning admiration for his calm and thoughtful demeanor off the field. Oh, that's my guy. He is calm and does have that demeanor of being relaxed,

but he will rip your freaking head off. Face off. He'll bring your arm off. What's the first thing that comes in mind when you think about, I'm scared of Dante High Tower, but the first thing that comes in mind right now is I'm looking at the picture of him in high school and he looks exactly like Matthew Slater, but with big ears like Alf ears. So if you can put that up, please and show everyone. He was Matthew Slater in high school with Alf ears. I just looking at the picture.

Pretty pretty close. Slate dog. Shots fired. Chum, pium, phew. More shots fired at former teammates. Pium, pium. We love shooting shots at our former teammates. Please shoot them back.

We appreciate that. Pchum Pchum. Nico, Nico. There's one guy who can't handle our shots fired at him. It's Ninkovic. This is about Dante. Oh, this is about, yeah, but Dante Hightower was such a better linebacker than Ninkerva. He can handle our fire.

Yeah. He can handle our shots. There's both linebackers, but all right, back to Dante. All right, here's my story. This guy I was scared of, actually. He was, what, first round pick, New England Patriot. He's like top 15 or so. And when you have a linebacker, that's 25th.

Six, what is he? Six, four. 6-3, you know. 260. Huge. And can move like he's a little guy. I'm scared of those guys. You want to know why?

Because they got that leverage. He's not a little guy. You're just massive. No, I'm scared of those. He's fucking huge. I don't know why I said a little guy. He's 6-3. I'm scared of those big guys that are in the frame of 6-1 to 6-4 and are wide as well, like you just

said, because they got that leverage and they can get. underneath me and then that's when I lose and I don't like that jewel see I got to outsmart these guys so with Dante I had to you know try to outsmart him on the football field when going versus him in practice and that was just to not get touched by him you know try to run away from him because he was always going to win versus me in camp I was a rookie I was coming off that ankle injury I wasn't a rookie he was a rookie I was coming off that ankle injury when uh you know that guy in Baltimore and broke my ankle pollard yeah very very Patriot killer.

So I didn't really heal that well that whole year. I was at South Padre Island, spring break, my cast and everything, came back every time my ankle was good. It really wasn't, you know. But don't tell Bill. Don't listen to that, okay? You've done things like that, too, Joel. So that's going to make me feel better just saying that.

But I can't get open. I'm not doing this well in training camp. My back's going to go out of me because I'm compensating. I'm just making excuses right now while I don't the, you know, dominated me when he was a rookie. But this guy, when they're that wide, they're built that strong. You could just tell he had that presence of, yo, I ain't going to move that guy. No one's really going to move that guy being 6-3, 260 pounds. And I accidentally, like, caught, caught him one time running a route. I tried going around him and, like, we caught like shoulders

or something. It can't exactly pinpoint what it was. And like, it was kind of like a cheap shot on him. But it was totally accidental. And I could, yeah, it wasn't a chip. It was like he was at the linebacker position kind of stepping up for the run and kind of ran into show. I think I kind of facemasked him or something and then yanked it a little bit. He turned around and he was furious. He was vicious.

What was his face like? Oh man. He took it to a whole other level the next play versus me and I literally learned I will never piss off Dante High Tower ever again. You got to piss her. You mustn't just tell him crazy because I've never really seen him pissed off.

Yeah. He was mad, man. He was mad. You guys are freak. You can't really block him in the run game. You can't really stop him in the past game either if he's rushing at you because he can move so well and he can get around you or he can bull rush you. So the guy, man, freak of an athlete, no doubt about that. And I swear, if you go to a barbecue with him, he'll eat like 15 pounds of like ribby steak and brisket and burgers.

When did you see him? Whatever at those team outings that we have. And like it turns in the muscle. It's straight muscle. Yeah. Like you know how the Wolverine. character or whatever and like the hawk like they just you know in those movies like whatever they do they just you know turn into the creature that they are like that's what he did when he ate

that food he just turned into Dante high tower dude well i mean his nickname was zeus which is like huge huge Greek i remember like really he was a rookie and i was already telling him that he's going to sign a hundred million dollar deal at the middle linebacker position did you yeah how'd you know because i was facing versus him i'm like this guy freaking good He's good. He can move, cover. He can, you know, stop the run. He can do it all. I mean, and he's scary. He looks like the predator out there because he has dreads.

Like early in his creed in, but when he got dreads and you're that big and wide, Dante looks like he has two houses for calves. His calves are so damn big. He has the largest cat. I used to tell him that every day I walk by. When he'd be in his sandals, we'd be walking by each other in the hallway. I see his cat. I'm like, bro, can you fucking ease up on the calf raises? Jesus Christ.

It wasn't the calf raises. It was the brisket. It was probably the brisket. That was just go right to his calves. Right to his calf. Right to his calf. And Dante was a smart-ass football player. Smart.

Very smart football player. And I remember going to his house once. And I walked over there. And he, like you said, he's just like a, he's a quiet. He's kind of quiet, but he's vicious. And I go to his house and I'm like, is that a fucking video? game station with keyboard and mouse. Dante Hightower's a keyboard guy in the video games.

I go, what the fuck is this, bro? He goes, what, bro? Whatever, you know, he's like a whiz. He's a fucking whiz. This guy, he's insane on Call of Duty, too. Don't let him, don't let him trick you and think he's not. He's a fucking gamer. He used to, he was really good.

Well, that's why he's a football coach now for the New England Patriots. Football coach. Because you got to be smart. You got to be a whiz in order to be a coach. How do you think he's doing in coaching? I feel like he's doing fine. How you think they're feeling over there? I feel like Dante's always feeling good, man.

He's never down. He's never out. He's an even keel guy. He is, man. He really is. He's the guy that had the ultimate pass from Bill Belichick. He always had. That's how scary he was that.

Coach was even scared of him. I don't think coach is scared of him, but coach loved him. He wasn't scared of him, man. He loved him because he was a well-built football player, and he played the game how it should be played. Bill always loved the defensive guys. Yeah, he did. We're offense.

That's why we never got loved, Jules. Who else had the Bill pass? Basically, on the defense side of the ball. Oh, Mayo had that pass. He could do whatever he wanted to do. And Bill, that's fine, you know. Devin Belichick McCordy. I mean, that's one of his sons.

I think that's his actual middle name now. Who else was another one? In past, we mean, like, you know, if they didn't want to practice or if, like, their, you know, hamstring was a little sore. They'd be like, oh, coach, I can't. I can't go to a coach, but no problem. Pass. Just hang out in the training room and get it rubbed on, you know?

No, I was thinking more of the past. You know how Bill's been over here testing the guys around his show? Like, hey, who's this guy? Who's that guy? Well, for the offense, he'd be like, hey, Rob, what's the exotic front of the defense that you expect to see on third and two? And Rob's sitting there, like, going through the, oh. What the phone?

Hey, Devin. What color is the offense that we're playing if they're at home? Green. Yes, good job, Kevin. Like, that's the pass we're talking about. Or, like, whenever he'd give a question to, like, the defensive line, like, do these guys like to run the ball or pass the ball? They got Derek Henry. I'm like, coach, I'm on offense.

I think they like to run the ball. God. Hey, Edelman, what is that? This is a punter. What school did he go? I mean, that's the past we're talking about. And Dante got that build of Dante. And it was deserving. Dante was, he was one of the alphas.

He sat in the Teddy Bruske locker when you walked into the, I think it was either the Teddy Bruske or the Willie Mac locker. They'd always put those two guys in because when you had to walk in the locker room, he had to walk by those guys. He was one of those guys. I mean, he was a great teammate. Where would you rank him as an all-time, you know, Patriot player? on the defensive side of the ball.

I mean, he's got to be up there. I mean, we wouldn't add the Super Bowl if you didn't make that second down, that second down goal line play. That's very true what you said. We would have never won that Super Bowl. That Malcolm Butler catch would have never happened because Marshaun Lynch would have scored already.

And everyone talks about, hey, why didn't Marshaun Lynch get, you know, the handoff? Or why didn't they hand off the ball? Well, it was a play prior to that, wasn't it? Yeah. Wasn't it the exact play before? Well, Marshaun Lynch did have the ball. And what happened?

One-on-one with Dante Hightower, and you never seen. seen Marshawn Lynn. Never. Go down ever. One-on-one. One-on-one. And literally, Dante Hightower is the only guy that can, you know, possibly do that. And he knocked him right down, and he stopped him in order to... The next play. In order to get to the next play, that Malcolm Buller had that interception. So they already gave it to Marshaun Lynch to have that chance to score. So without Dante Hightower, we would have never had that, you know, first Super Bowl in New England, no doubt about him. And then another big play that he has had,

you know, in his career, was that strip sack in the game that unfortunately I didn't play in because my back got blown out when I went up to seam because Tom threw me up to seam earlier that year. And then I got leveled and lost a long in them back. And I still came back to next year. But yeah, and that Super Bowl versus Atlanta, that strip sack man. So just continue the domination of the comeback. That was an incredible play. He comes through in the clutch at all times.

I still, who blew your back out? Earl Thomas. We're not going that deep about who blew my back out, Joe. It was a dude, though. It was a dude. His name was Earl Thomas. The dude, the torpedo. Yeah, a torpedo.

What was a big play that you can recall? The guy always had a big play when the team needed it. I mean, you go back into college and the national championship, you had a strip sack. That's the kind of player Dante was. Fucking, when your team needed a big play, a big moment, he was super versatile. I remember him. He'd be middle linebacker, and we put him at defensive end something. times because he can rush a passer.

Like, he just was big time player to make midtime plays that is a huge contribution. Why, I have three Super Bowl rings. You have four. There's a huge part of it. I mean, we wouldn't have been there without them. You know, I'd always call him. If you see how his name's spelled, it's don't A with apostrophe. And so I used to call him Donta.

Very technical, that is. I used to call him A Danta in that locker. He go, Jules, don't you fucking call me Danta. I go, why not, Danta? He goes, because if you fucking call me all these white people out here in Boston, they're going to be calling me Danta. Don't you fucking call me Danta. My name is Dante.

I'm like, all right, Danta. Jules. Jules, even I knew it was Dante. I know. I knew it was Dante. You must have had a bad day. I knew it was Dante. I knew.

I just wanted to call him Dantah to make fun of him. Time. Well, what kind of dude is he? What kind of dude is he? What kind of dude is Dante? I mean, Dante. Now you're getting me on that freaking wrong. I'm telling you.

Don't whatever you do, if you see Dante, do not call him Dante. He'll get really mad at you. And he'll blame it on me. He'll fucking blame it on me. Don't call him Dante. What kind of dude is Dante? I mean, he looks like a goddamn stud. He does look like a stud.

He's a freak, too. I mean, he's got house for calves. I feel like he's, he hits all five categories. He's a dude's as well. He really is. Yeah. He hits him all. On three, let's see which one.

On three. Hold on, I got to think about it real quick. All right. I'm going to go. Yeah, because he's all five, so let me try to pinpoint it down the one. On three. One, two, three. Wizz!

I think he's a stud. I think he's a whiz. That's why he's a coach now. He is a coach. Yeah. And he knew the game of football, like no other. I mean, he's got a national championship. He has a stud.

He has five, you know, championships. Yeah, like you just said. And like he was a first. round linebacker. He had a lot of hype coming in, and he backed up all the hype. He did. He like, you know what I mean? He's a freak, too. I mean, he made big plays in big situations. He's got a pedigree. He's got football IQ. And he looks like a Greek God. But making big plays in a big game is a whiz, Jules, because he knew when to make that play, to turn it around for the team. Does that make sense?

Yeah. He is like a, but I would say, though, we're trying to categorize it into what, like, he most represents. A whiz is a guy that doesn't have the freak abilities. And they get through because they're so smart. And they're not getting through because they're a freak or a stud. So that's how you become a true whiz. So therefore, he was getting through as a freak and a stud and a dog.

So he can't technically be a whiz. because being a whiz didn't really lead him to where he needs to be. Maybe now as a coach. Going back to that, I'm going to have to categorize him as a stud or a freak. So let's go back at it again and try again. Ready? One, two, three. Stod.

Stamp it. He's for sure a stud. 100%. If you saw his cash, you just, it would scream stud. Let's get on Vince Will Fork. Big dog Vince Welford. Big V. Oh, my God.

I wonder why was something. Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday, I bet. Start the clock. What's a yeah, I got to say. Vince Welfork, standing at 6'2 and weighing around 325 pounds, played as a dominant nose tackle in the NFL. 325?

Primarily, I think he was like 350 at one point, 360. Primarily played for the New England Patriots and later for the Houston Texans, growing up in Boytown Beach, Florida. I think so, Boyton. Boytown Beach, Florida. Well Fork was a track and field standout before switching to football at the University of Miami.

Selected 21st overall in the 2004 draft. He was known for his strength, size, and ability to stuff the run, often drawing double teams and anchoring defenses with his power and scale. Over his career, Wolf Fork recorded 560 tackle, 16 sacks, and three interceptions,

earning two Super Bowl, championships five Pro Bowl selections and a reputation as one of the best defense tackles of his era known for his charisma and a love for a barbecue he has remained a beloved figure off the field where his big personality and big hits made him a fan favorite that's a lot by a guy the long synopsis that's the longest one we had so far but Vince deserves it heck yeah 100% deserves it he's the biggest guy so far we've been talking about he's about 365 pounds I think they got it got it wrong there this guy can eat you up, man. He's lost a lot of weight now. He sure has. He looks really good, man.

He does. Really good. It looks good on him. It's just sad that, you know, he's not coming back, though. I know. Because every good player, you always have that imagination that they're going to come back. He never, he always thought V could, I think V could still play. You just have that thought about him. What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about Big V? The barbecues, you know, he came out with his own barbecue sauce. I'm pretty sure Mr. Kraft used to have that team get together, team bonding. at his house in the Cape after you made the team. It was right at the end of August.

What holiday is at right at the end of August? Labor Day. Yeah, Labor Day. Yep. And it was Labor Day week and we would all go up there and there'd be ribs or be, you know, steaks. And then here comes Big V coming through and he'd bring his own barbecue sauce every single year.

And I wouldn't eat those ribs or a sorn line or, you know, the burger meat until that barbecue sauce got there. And once Big V showed up, hey, Big V, passed that sauce over, buddy. Yeah, he loved it too, man. He loved being known about that sauce. And he just loved just the atmosphere around a cookout. I was fortunate enough to get invited to one of his cookouts. He smoked some ribs.

He was in and some big ass overalls with no shirt smoking ribs. He just looks at home when he's on a barbecue. He looks like that's at home. The first, I remember when I was a rookie, he's comfortable. That's just comfort zone for him. It is. I remember my rookie year. My welcome to the NFL moment was like, I was rolling in like my Toyota rental and I park

in the way back of the players lot. And all of a sudden there's this fucking huge semi. A fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in the front and takes like two damn spots, backs in. Backs in this big ass orange semi truck. It's fucking Vince's daily driver. Vince had like a huge. My truck daily driver.

He gets out of the thing and it looked just like him in front of the barbecue. Just a comfort zone for him. Just a big ass dude getting out of a big ass truck. Big V was just fucking so cool. That was like my first welcome to NFL. I was like, holy shit. I didn't even know you can buy semi-trucks. Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me my welcome to the NFL dosage of a hit.

When training camp rookie year. You know the WAM Block. What's the WAM Block? Explain it. Where they let go, the guy. I let's the just defense of tackle free. So then he thinks he's going to go get a sack. And then the way on black is when I come across the line of scrimmage at the

tight end position when I'm off the ball. And I'm the one that goes and I wham the defense of tackle and try to block them. It's like a trap for the tight end. There you go. Exactly. And we're trapping the defense of tackle. So he knows it's coming. I mean, this is a specialty play that the New England Patriots been running.

Nine on seven. They know the fucking script. Well, well before me. Yeah. It is. It was a nine. seven. So, yeah, the defense does notice grips so they can look really good in the run game throughout that whole period. And I think they also told them this play was coming,

uh, being specifically knowing I'm on a black vans and they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So the play is called. I'm in full paths. You know, I'm like a wamblock. I got to show my toughness. I got to show my keeps. I got to get the respect of my fellow teammates, especially the veterans. Wait, whoa, wait, whoa. Let me paint the picture also. Rob's a rookie here. He was like the big dog on campus. In practice, no one really gets close to him because you don't want to piss him off when you're new. It's like, holy shit, is that a, that is a large human being.

He's like so big. I think there's like something that orbits him, like on how round he is. Like that's, you didn't want to get in his way. You didn't want to piss him off because he was very intimidated. Get back to your story. So the play, you know, gets on its way. I do my little two, you know, two sidesteps, you know, on the motion. I'm running full speed right at Vince Welfort.

This guy peeks over to his left. He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face knowing I was coming. He put his shoulder down. I'm going full speed at him. And he gets that leverage and just tease off on me. I went flying backwards five to six yards. I didn't even land on my back.

He sent me flying in the air where I landed on my feet still. Oh my God. Yeah. And that hit hurt like a mother effort. But what's cool is I gained the respect of my teammates. And my coach at that time, tight end coach in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the players. Brian Farrants. Brian Farrantz.

He's now at Iowa with his dad doing, you know, doing his thing, doing a good job. He goes, yo, what were you thinking trying to block Vince Wolfwork? He goes, you're never going to do that again. I go, thank you. Thank you. I'll never do it again. And ever since that day, you know, we had to. about five more of those calls and I just go up to him I hug him. I didn't need to try to block him.

It was just only going to get me hurt from there on. Yeah, I just give him a hug like Vince. No, no, no. It's the way I'm black man. I know you're going to beat me. Like there's no reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown backwards again. Oh my God. I'm going to break a rib. He's so he's so strong. I know you love your ribs and you're going to, you know. He'll probably eat them. Yeah. Enjoy them after with your barbecue sauce, buddy. Oh my. That had to be so terrifying. It was. Well, at that time, it wasn't. Because he's an intimidating guy when you joined the team, too. It was terrifying after that because I was trying to, you know, gainer my keeps, man. Like, I was trying to prove myself. So I didn't care who was in my way. And then I learned I do care who's in my way. Yeah. When it comes down to the NFL. You got to, that's when you learn on when to, you know, take your shots at someone, one not to, one to block someone hard, when to kind of like just.

Brother-in-law box someone out as well instead of trying to hit him full speed. You hit him full speed. You hit him full speed. heads up. They, you know, they're way bigger than you. This is when you start learning the ins and outs. And that's one ins and out. I learned big time. Freaking V. And he was so quick, too. Like, that's what people don't realize. Like they just think. Surprisingly quick because of how big he was. Yeah. And his feet, he had fast feet, man. He was kind of like a running back. That pitter patter. He's like, boom, whoa. Whoa. Big burp right there, Jules. Wow. This is the barbecue I ate from five years ago with Big Vince. It's still coming out. We ate that much. I tasted that barbecue sauce right there. That was good.

feet were surprisingly click. He was like a bum, boom, boom. He was a rabbit out there. I remember always going in the weight room and you go over by like the kettlebells and like the arm bars and stuff. And there'd always be a shock put there. Remember him? Do you ever see him shock put? I never have. Oh my God. He can fucking shock. He was a fucking track star. I think he had like the state record. He had insane strength too. I remember like he wouldn't go in the weight room to just like warm up. No. You know, do three 15 like five. He would just go in the weight room just to, you know, maintain his strength and he would just walk in and I remember him just throwing up like 425 pounds in the bench and just tossing it up then racking it and be like I'm done for today yeah like he didn't

even need a work on his strength that much because he was just that strong naturally and like it was to a whole another level yeah I remember seeing him in the weight room to him he the like Marcus Cannon when he would work out the weights would bend he was just so strong and he he had always great movement. Like he was very, he was very skillful, like fluid. Fluid. Like, when you watch big V throw football, he looks like he spins a ball really well. You see him hit a golf ball. He fucking has an unbelievable golf swing. I mean, the guy is so athletic. He used to return punts in high school. Like, I remember, you know, Bill always, every training camp when it's getting to like day nine, 10, guys who are worn down, beat up,

mentally, physically, emotionally exhausted. He always have a big, lineman come in and try to catch a pun. And if you caught punch, you'd have the night off. He threw V up there and it looked too fucking easy. I think he won and snag that thing. He was so athletic. He could have played fullback. I swear he could play Ryan back and it gets,

gain some yards before going down. Tight end, he could definitely play. I heard him talking about this too as well. He could play defensive end, obviously, anywhere on the defensive line. And he, like you said, quarterback as well. He had an arm. He loved being, you know, before practice was going on, you know, before we really got into it, he'd be chucking the ball, you know, to his fellow

defensive players, just having a good old time. He was just so disruptive as well. And he was kind of like the two-gap God when he was, you know, on that defensive line. And to be able to take two gaps, you know how much to freeze that linebacker? That's a linebacker's best friend right there, Vince Wolfork. One hundred percent. I mean, Jared Mayo, Dante Hightower, Jamie, they all love them. They all do. Guys like, they love guys. They love guys. that take double teams lets you get to that fucking boom, kind of.

Big V just said, Big V has so many stats. He had so much production for the amount of stats he had because he had such hidden things that made plays go. It was unblockable. And you take two double teams

they can never get the guy to the second level. Like he just was fucking a monster. And we wanted to talk about him on this show specifically because, because what? What is he known for on Thanksgiving, Jules? He's the one that created the butt fumble. The freaking.

The forceer, the generator of the butt fumble. Vers the New York Jets. Mark Sanchez. Oh my God. And he did that before. Like it's where he gets so much penetration. He drives his guy back so far that it hit the quarterback with the guy that he was driving backs but that made him fumble the football and Steve Gregory scoop score in his home area

of New Jersey, which was just a fucking crazy game. That comes to my mind when I think of Vince of some of his crazy story. But also remember when we were in Buffalo and he read out the receiver's screen? What was he rewarded with though after the Buffalo? Well, he had the turkey on the post game. He had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg. He's rewarded with a turkey leg during the post. game for his contribution to the butt fumble. And he ate that thing. He ate it all. Not surprised.

So what was it that you're talking about in Buffalo? Remember in Buffalo where they had that receiver screen and V read it? And he was full speed. And a receiver was full speed not seeing him. And it looked like if a semi hit like one of those little smart cars. Oh my gosh. This is the receiver. Like he was up.

He was up. And then your finger just got bent backwards in a matter of a split second. Boom. That looked like the receiver right there. Boop. It's not even that. It's not even the mass. Imagine if he, like, fell on you to go in that fast. Oh, he squished you like a bug.

Like a fucking bug. I bet you got his wind. It's a fly out of the air and it just explodes everywhere. That's kind of what happened to the bill's wide receiver. And you always. He flattened them. No, it was, it was, that's a terrifying hit. Like, that's like, that was a terrifying hit.

There's a lot of big hits that you see. You're like, all right, you can withstand that. But when it's straight. When you got mass times velocity, you get force. You get fucking force. And that's what big V was. I don't know if that's right for you. Physics people get us in there.

But then also. What about his interceptions? We're talking big plays here. I mean, he had that pick versus Philip Rivers at home in Gillette Stadium. Was that another screen or he was just? I think he was a, no, it got tipped or something to him. Did he tip it? Did he tip it?

Yeah, he tipped it. to himself. He showed great ball skills right there. And then you saw your fast feet. Yes. And then he started just, you know, trucking down the field like a rabbit with his fast feet. He looked nimble and he looked agile and just rumbling down the field. I don't think anyone in the world that watched that play, anyone in the world didn't want that big man to score. When a big man has that look because the ball looked like a fucking like a paper talent is in his arm A loaf of breath. A loaf of breath.

I mean, it looks... Pumper nickel. Pumper nickel. It looks so small and he's like running it. And like everyone is just sitting there like, look at the big big go. Reminds you remember Comley also did that on the kickoff return. Oh yeah.

Against Packers. That was cool too. I love when big men get to run the ball. Or score a touchdown. Score in the red zone. Eight Soldier. Everyone loves it, man. Yeah.

The Soldier had that one. The Lions are doing it a lot. Lions are doing it. And we're speaking of it. of Thanksgiving, you know, teams, lions in there, you know, don't not expect a trick play to align in this Thanksgiving from the Detroit Lions. Oh, I mean, more a fake punt, you're going to, there's going to be something like that. We talked about on this show a few weeks back, tight end university day or happy tight end day.

What is called? National tight end day. National tight end day. There's got to be a national big guy touchdown day or a big guy catch day. It just needs to be national big. And like, it's a rule in the NFL book that you have to at least run one tackle eligible play. One tackle eligible. The guy has to be over 275 pounds, 285 pounds, has to touch a football on one specific day, national big fat guy day.

I like that. That's what I think we. I like that. Who's going to start it? I think we need Big V. Yeah, big V. Come on. Let's go.

You remember in the butt fumble game? I remember watching it the next day in meetings. Bill rewinded it like four or five times, barely said anything. And then like got up and talked and he said, the Jets got exactly what they deserve. Like did something like one of those? You know what I mean? Do you remember that? I actually was hurt that year, Jules.

So I was at home just watching it from my couch just enjoying my Thanksgiving. And I just remember that play happening. I was shocked. Because we were already dominating them. Dominating them. It wasn't even a close game at all. And just when that happened, I was giggling to myself. Like, what a play.

I never seen anything like that. And I was screaming too because Gregory just scooped it. Like it just didn't happen. A butt fumble. And directly into his hands. No, directly on the ground and directly in the Gregory's hand. Yeah. But it went to the end zone of the Patriots as well.

We got six points out of it. It's like, that doesn't happen usually. Usually like a play like that, you know. Usually someone just gets on it, it's a fumble recovery. It went to the house. We scored on it. How do you think Sanchez or San Chito feels about that? I mean, Sanchez is a good dude.

He's a goofy dude. He's a goofy. So I think he kind of likes it now. I think he does like it. Yeah, he does own it for sure. I heard him referencing it. He'll giggle about it for sure. It's kind of like the Miami miracle.

I own that play. Yeah. It's kind of like the butt fumble with Sanchez. I mean, it's okay. I mean, it happens. It's kind of like the. 2004 or 2002 Frassoff

championship between the Bay Division Ocean Division. You know, I gave this interception away and they won it on it. It's kind of like you own it now. Fucking M.A. I'll never own it. It's bullshit. It's okay, Jules. One day you'll own it. You'll get over it. It's okay, man. We're here for it. Just be thankful for other things

and then you'll get over that. You know what I'm also thankful for? What are you thankful for? That we were a part of probably two of the craziest play calls in the the history of football. One, the butt fumble. Yes. What's more embarrassing, the butt fumble?

Or do you remember when the Colts had that stupid punt formation that they tried on? That was sad. What was the down in distance? What was the fourth and two? And they were trying to get us on a trick. I think it was like more than four. It was weird formation. They had like everyone spread out wide.

And then the center. What's the down in distance? And then there was a running back behind the center or something. And then they hiked it. And everyone was in like. And shock. Like, what the heck is possibly going on? That has, and that's the only reason I bring this up is because the same shock factor that we had that, like, did that butt just make that fumble?

And then we scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same shock factor we had when they did this punt formation thing. Did he really hike the ball? I'm not a math guy, but three on one. I'm looking at the Colt sideline right here after the play. Are you fucking serious? What is this? Like, this is national football league.

And they're only down by six in the third quarter. I don't know. That's the cults for you. That was, that was worse so than the buff. Yeah, because the butt fumble was made through force in, in gravity.

Exactly. The butt fumble was made by Vince in that fucking 300 in 25 pound frame, 25 pound frame, taking his matchup and driving them into the, fucking I'm flabbergasted. I didn't realize we were going to get into that play. I think they rose the banner that year. That's why I never lost it.

Was that the banner year or they rose the banner? Still never lost to the Colt. Did we ever lose to the Colts? I did in 2009. That was 2009. In a fourth and two. It doesn't count. How about the big boy on body issues?

I mean, he's not like, it looks like muscle. It is muscle. That's why I love the ESPN the body issue because they, they featured everyone. Yeah. And they were just showing how... Are you on it? The statue, yes, how the statue of the body representing all different types of athletes.

From a guy that played tackle to a wide receiver, to myself, right there. Young, grunk. You want to know the running joke was about me? I'm being on the body issue cover. What? Was that the circle? It was really small that they needed to use. What circle?

To cover me up. Yeah. You know what? Didn't they tell you it was going to be a small set? Like there's not going to be a lot of people there? There really wasn't. There was probably like five, five to six. How many people were on your step?

I feel like there's 30 in mind. Really? They all wanted to see you, Jules. You're a good looking guy. You got a wonderful body. Now, how did the, how did the football stay on? It's a good question. I was kind of adjusting in it before every shot.

And then I kind of adjusted it. So I kind of found that niche. Did you have to take a Viagra to keep that thing staked up so you could just post it on there? No, no, it was actually one of the worst performance looking days of my life. It was kind of chilly in there. I felt like a frozen raisin.

Yeah. And I was just giggling at myself every time I look back at the pictures. I know because it was bad. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. I was embarrassed just looking at it myself. It was crazy because, like, you would see like a picture after,

you know, you'd go at the photographer and your wiener would be out and you'd see the picture and then all of a sudden they'd be like oh don't worry we could just cut that thing but you're sitting there worrying

because you're like you're going to go tell everyone you know and then that person that's reviewing I requested 93 degrees in the shoot set it was 60 10 minutes

what kind of dude is Vince Will Fork stud a freak a dog a dude's dude or a whiz I mean, he's a waste.

He has a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the game of football. I mean, he was a smart player. That's why he knew that big play that he made when we were talking about it versus the Buffalo Bills. And he absolutely dominated the receiver on that screen across the middle because he saw that play coming. He sniffed it out. Like he was a wizard out there. That's how he made majority of his play.

Same with his interceptions. He knew the screen was coming. He backed off. He knew that when he got dropped, he wasn't going to just go to the quarterback and get a free sack. He knew, ooh, there might be. Must be a different type of play coming out. It's going to be a screen or it's a gimmick or something. I mean, he was smart, bro.

He was very smart on that football field. I'm telling you. I mean, yeah, he was a freak for his size. I mean, 360. Just the way that he could move is athletic ability. Kind of a dude's dude as well with his barbecues, man. Inviting the guys over and having that barbecue sauce for everyone. He was also a fucking dog.

Yeah, he was a dog. Because he was grimy in there. Oh, yeah. When you're the guy taking the double team the whole time and you know, you have to go against 600 pounds every fucking play. Because he's taking double teams every play, 600 pounds. And he would take those double teams and kind of just eat those double teams up. He really would and just let that linebacker just free to go in and make the place.

And he's a fucking stud. Is athleticism? He is, man. I mean, he could shoot a basketball. I mean, he's an insane thrower of the football. You watch his golf swing. You're like, holy fuck. I think he's scratch golf.

This is a true tough one, man. This is really tough to really cat. categorize and pinpoint Vince Wolfork to just one category. It's going to be tough. On three, what do you expect one? Oh, man. Hold on. Let me keep thinking about this, man.

Oh, all right. All right. One, two, three. Freak. Oh, man. Oh, man. I know, man. He is a freak, though.

But he's so smart, man. I'm telling you. He's a smart football player. Yeah, but that goes into his freakiness where you think a guy that looks like him isn't that smart. He's great. He's great in commercials too. Like you see him in that stove commercials now, like grilling and all that.

He's on TV. But you also, you're sitting there like, look at this large guy. Gotta be smart. Look at this large guy. You're right. Like we said, we're categorizing freaks as you're just looking at someone. You're like, how can they possibly do that being that size? Also, also like feet.

Can we say he, yeah, he's a wizard though? Can you agree with that? I'm 100%. I mean, I always remember Bill talking about how smart. is a football player instinctive. So I do agree he is a freak of nature. I mean, obviously to be that size to move, you know, to move that well on the football field,

take on double teams and just squash them, just the way he tackled guys too. They would go right down. There was no mistackles by Vince Wolfwork when he got your hands on you. No. He drape you down and he swallow you. All right.

We'll try again. Let's do it again. One, two, three. Freak! Stamp it. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines

and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to. answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lili Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start

weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to here we go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday. A shutdown means we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market. What Does a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples, and so they sort of become outsize

indicators of inflation. What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to message that Musk is coming back. He's putting politics aside. He's left the White House. And what can the PCE tell you that the CPI can't? CPI tries to measure out-of-pocket costs. that consumers are paying for things, whereas the PCE index that the Fed targets is a little bit

broader of a measure. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's what I've been told. And that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker. a journalist and a handful of girls,

came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer,

and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that you all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. You know, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. You know the shade is always Shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Jazele Bryant. and Robin Dixon is here dropping every Monday. As two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac were giving you all the laughs, drama, and reality news you can handle. And you know we don't hold back.

So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday. I was going through a walk in my neighborhood. Out of the blue, I see this huge sign next to somebody's house. Okay. The sign says, my neighbor is a Karen. Oh, what? No way!

I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know. You are lying. You, my guess, y'all. They had some time on their hands. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Michael Lewis here. my book The Big Short tells the story of the build-up and burst of the U.S. housing market back in 2008.

It follows a few unlikely but lucky people who saw the real estate market for the black hole it would become and eventually made billions of dollars from that perception. It was like feeding the monster, said Eisman. We fed the monster until it blew up. The monster was exploding. Yet on the streets of Manhattan, there was no sign anything important had just happened. Now, 15 years after the Big Short's original release, and a decade after it became an Academy award-winning movie, I've recorded an audiobook edition for the very first time.

The Big Short Story, what it means when people start betting against the market, and who really pays for an unchecked financial system, is as relevant today as it's ever been, offering invaluable insight into the current economy and also today's politics. Get the big short now at pushkin.fm slash audiobooks Or wherever audiobooks are sold I'm feeling pretty good off one beer Are you? Actually like seventh, eighth of a beer

Math guy Not one beer yet. Math guy. Who's our next guy? Isn't this a guy the next guy? Isn't it the guy that we play with? Who do we got? Oh, we got number 76.

Bye Michael. Bye, you freak. We got... Oh, I don't want him to see me. Like, don't show that like that is through a picture. I don't want to come after me. He's a freak. Yeah, he's a freak.

But, all right, all right. Back to Sebastian. I'm going to hire Sebastian to be my body guy. A second round pick. And I think 2010, no, 2009. Same as much. Some bastion. Vommer.

Sebastian Volima, aka Seabass. Seabass. Kick his ass. Mm-hmm. Start the clock. What does AI have to say about him? Bomb, bum, bum. AI. Let's see if AI knows anything about it.

Dalsendorf. Shaman people. Sebastian Vummer was a prolific offensive tackle for the New England Patriots, known for his 6-8 frame and 320 pounds of strength. Strength. Very strong. Very tall. Very tall. It made me feel like a dwarf. Like a little boy.

Yeah, yeah. I was a little boy out there, actually. Over his career, he started 80 of his 80. games that he played, helping the Patriots win two Super Bowls. Super Bowl 49 and Super Bowl 51. Yeah. Born in Dostledorf, Germany. Dostledorf? Dostledorf.

Wommer didn't start playing football until he was 14. 14? 14? 4. Yeah, one four. Nine! After retiring in 2016, he became a booming NFL broadcaster in Germany, often acting as a.

the Patriots ambassador off the field. He's known for his down-the-earth personality and dedication to promoting football in his home country. And some fun facts real quick, Vomer was won a barbecue cookoff in his neighborhood. What a fun fact that is. He won a barbecue cookoff in his neighborhood. AI, man. AI, man. Hey, I.

Where did you pull out from? Oh, my gosh. He's an avid beekeeper. Oh, my gosh. He's a beekeeper? He ate all his honey. He ate all his honey. That's why he's 6-8.

That is why he's 6-A and freaking tosses up weight like it's nothing. Nothing. Nothing. That's where I was going. And he once accidentally locked himself out of his own house while wearing only his underwear. That's on AI? What the heck? I think I love Sebastian even more.

That's a Sebastian-type move, though. That's a C-Bass move right there. Oh, my God. C-Bast. Oh, my God. He was so large. But he was so large and so strong. He could have probably just lifted up.

his own house like you know Patrick and uh on SpongeBob how he just lifts up the rock in his house and goes and he should just lift it up his house like threw it up in the air real quick and then went under it and then he would have been fine he lit we all used to live next to each other in that street yeah we did he could definitely probably lift that house up what was the name of that street again what was it Shay lane Shay lane she lane no I was Shay lane uh I was a bashing was Shea Lane and then you were pacing, but you were like half, half a mile, if that away from us. Yeah, it was a bike ride away. Yeah, bike ride.

Freaking Seabas. We were drafting the same draft. He was such a big dude. And he was always really smart. Like, he always had really great questions to like Scarnicchio or Josh. I just remember him always being able to like, hey, coach, but what if this happens on this and we're in this? You know, like he had a really outgoing thought process of the game for someone who never grew up around the game. Mm-hmm.

Like that's-hmm. Or really knew the game. Yeah. He starts playing out 14. Yeah, you can start playing out 14, which is different than kids that start playing in 14 here. But it was so natural here. Also, when he was playing at 14, it wasn't like real football he was playing. Yeah.

What league was that? It was like some type of club football. It wasn't the same rule as what? wasn't the same schemes, none of that. I mean, there was some similarities of the league that he was playing in when he started playing football, but it was nothing like American football. I don't think so. So where he got to University of Houston,

where he had a pretty solid career there. And then the way he got to the Patriots, I'm pretty sure, like, the New England Patriots, they were looking for an offensive tackle at the time, you know, to start for them or just to back up. We needed someone, yeah. And, yeah, and I'm pretty sure he played in the East West game. East West, right.

After being, you know, in college at the University of Houston. And that's when he really got scouted by the Patriots. And I'm pretty sure the Patriots Santante Scarnacchio, one of the best offensive line coaches in the history of the game. No doubt about that. I mean, he's the reason to a lot of our success in New England. And what's wild is, like, he's tiny. Like, you know, offensive line coaches are usually

Offense Alignment beforehand. Like Dante Scarnacki had demanded a room. He was older, like 75, 70, what, 5, 10, 180 pounds. And he just lined up his offensive lineman, like a drill sergeant and just control them, like, unbelievable. I remember the first air rookie camp,

Scar yelling at Seabass, saying something like, you guys, you fat pieces of shit, better start running. Because while you guys are out here bouncing around, this league for five, six years, I'm going to have to work out Walmart because I'm going to get fired for not getting you to be able to play. It's like the first day of rookie OTAs.

I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know if it was going to Seabast, but I was like, that was my welcome to NFL moment. Like, holy shit. And then they scouted Sebastian. They had a workout with him. I mean, I saw a clip of Dante. He did his pro day. He did his pro day.

and he put him through a workout. And he said that, you know, Sebastian was smart. He did everything that he was told. He picked up on everything. He picked up on the schemes right away. It's just showing how smart he was. And they also talked about how Sebastian learned that English language. How was that, Rob?

And that was just watching American flicks. She's American TV. American TV. Man, I watched German TV and my eyes are going to space. Faster than Michael Strayhan went to space. This guy learned English. How'd you learn English? Oh, just learned it.

Growing up, just did. I was around it a lot as a kid. Being around my mom, my dad, my brother, friends. Who was your first word? Mama. Mama. But it was Baba. Mama.

I wonder what Sebastian's first word was, because it's not Mama. That's English. Yeah. What do you think it was? It's probably like, oh my omah

oh my omah's grandma and like German you want to know what Bill Belichick once said too about

Sebastian Vomer what do you say is that when Sebastian would utter things underneath his breath wouldn't like German or something

yeah in German yes he knew that it was never good he knew it was never good that's a great

observation coach Belichick that's that's That's called scouting right there. Sebastian was athletic. Great side. Hey, I'm scouting Sebastian right now, okay? I know you're getting excited.

He's athletic, great size. He was light on his feet. He has 36 to 38 inch arms, depending on the workout that he did that day. He's thick everywhere, dude. I'm telling him, he's thick. His calves, his quads, forearms, biceps, triceps, abs. He's, like, he's thick. It's like he almost had a six-pack, but he didn't because he was so big.

but he dick like thick boy man but he wasn't like fat no he wasn't fat now he's like a bodybuilder he's shredded he looks so good right now he looks like a tight end he looks like if van dam was like six foot eight he's that ripped right now he's got good feet he always had good feet he was always on balance i was working out with him bryans yeah EPS yes EPS my uh going into my second year in the league during the lockout yeah NFL lockout we would always be working out there I just remember him working out and like, I was just amazed how strong he was. He took a hundred and forty pound dumbbell. Just went right on the bench, grab the other one, just like this, that easy,

and just started tossing it up for a set of 10, 140 pound dumbbells for a set of 10. Like it was nothing. The Germans have particular beer that makes them very strong. Well, then let me keep drinking, Jules. I want to be very strong like Sebastian. And if he was drinking beer to make him strong, I need another beer. Fill me up, please.

I already had one. I want one more. I got you. While you fill me up, how about the time when Coach Belichick put him out there and he's told Sebastian Volmer, hey, if you catch his punt, we're done for the day. Everyone's off practice. Hey, that's, hey, that's, no meetings. What happened? What happened? What did Sebastian do? He caught a punt. He got a punt. He gave us training camp. That was early in our career.

It was. That was my, I think, my rookie year or my second year in the league. I think it was my second year. But that was great. See, Thank you for coming through. I'll remember it, you know, for the rest of my life that you got me off meetings at night. Thank you. Amen, because those meetings are way too long. His first start in 2009 was that Tennessee Titans game where it snowed in like October 15th or something like that. He was replacing Matt Light, who was starting.

I think he got banged up. We didn't give up a sack. Like it was his first game in, pressure was on, young football player from Germany and helps give up zero sack. and we blew out the Tennessee Titans that. Like what, 59-0-0? It was 59-0. You know, I know why you guys, you know, won that game 59-0-0 and why Tom threw like eight touchdown passes in the first

quarter? Because he was very comfortable that Sebastian Bowmer was his left tackle. He was comfortable. Just like we were all comfortable when Coach Belichick said, hey, Sebastian Volmer, do you catch this punt right here on this windy day at training camp when we've been running you guys for 50s? 15 straight days into the ground, not a day off, full pads, twice a day.

If you catch this punt, I'm going to give you guys meetings off tonight. But we will have practice tomorrow, but you guys will have meetings off tonight. And what do you do? He caught the punt when he didn't have meetings. He caught the punt so I could go home and do this quicker. We got to give him a little bit more credit in his broadcasting career because he has made a name for himself in the country of Germany because he's bringing the game and a lot of awareness of American football

and bringing it over. And he's doing a great job to translate it. I see a lot of things. He translates English to German. Translator. Yeah. Help people in that country understand the game. So he's doing a great job expanding

and having an unbelievable role like that. Without a doubt, he's making the game bigger. He probably loves his home country. He does. And he loves football. Mm-hmm. And it's great for him to be able to share the game that he's loved with the people where he's from.

That's like some beautiful stuff. It's beautiful like Europe. It is beautiful. Like Poland, actually. Poland's beautiful. And that's why, you know, Sebastian's so beautiful as well.

Because Poland's right near Germany. It might connect, but I don't think it does. I think they touch. They touch. That's why we just, just sympathize for each other. And we have so much connection

because I'm a Polack. He's German. And we just have that, you know, tightness. We feel each other. We understand each other. and he's just a good guy. I'm a good guy. I'm just going to keep drinking and just keep getting emotional

because I'm blacked out. It's a beer and a half, Jules. Time. All right. All right. What is he? You ready? You're ready?

I just broke out of us. You're in it. I was in it. What kind of dude is Sebastian Bowmer? Is he a stud? He, I mean, he is pretty studly. If you think about it, a guy that came from, he's probably one of the badass.

dudes from his country, never played our country's most famous sport, most popular sport, and comes in and becomes a fucking damn good football player. All right. On three, you say what he, you think he is, I'll say what I think he is. All right. One, two, three. Whiz. Yeah, baby.

Give me some. Give me some. Obviously, we probably, we know him. We played with them. So we're going to be on the same page of what he is. I mean, he's definitely a whiz. If you think about it to be able to come out of high school from Germany to go to a university in America and play American football,

learn the language through TV, be as smart as he was on the field. You never saw Emmy from Sebastian Vomer. Like he's for sure whiz. Clutch, catching the punt for us to get us the night off of meetings. like he was the guy. He's a whiz, for sure. You said it all, Jules. You said it all.

He's a whiz. Guy Smirters can be picked up the schemes, one of the hardest blocking schemes in all football. Just like that. I think he picked up English better than you and I speak it. No. He sure has. And if you ask him, he would agree to that as well.

He definitely would. I love those two, but they cuckoo. That's what he would say. Is everybody crazy? I love him. I love him. We love you, C-Bast. All right, let's get into our last

Halloween edition of Dudes on Dudes. Guy that we are going to talk about. You know what? I'm looking at this, and it's pretty gnarly. That every one of the scariest guy, that we're going over is from the AFC fucking north. Another Kent State Golden Flash. Another man that scares the living shit out of you.

He sure does. His name is Debo, but his birth name is James Harrison. James Henry Harrison, Jr. Oh, Hank, I will not call him that to his face. he'll probably beat my face in. I've seen him doing that volleyball shit. What is, uh, let's see what AI has to say. All right, ladies.

AI for James Hank Harrison, Jr. The second. Holy smokes. Oh, that's blank. AI was scared. AI is fucking scared. I'm scared. They're not want to get it wrong.

Start the clock. Now, now. Now. James Harrison. James Harrison was a tenacious and a hard-hitting linebacker. Tenacious. Tenacious. Thank you, Jules. Got you.

Hey, I'm Harry. I didn't read any books growing up, okay? You know, and a hard hitting ninebacker. Known for his relentless work ethic and physical style of play. Off the field, he was dedicated and resilient, overcoming numerous setbacks to achieve success. Harrison had a significant impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers, on the Pittsburgh Steelers, helping them win two Super Bowls and earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award in 2008.

Jesus. Notably, he set a then-Steeler's single-season record with 16 sacks in 2008 and is the only undrafted player to win defensive player of their year award. He was also a five-time pro-baller and twice named the Steelers MVP. He should have been a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, but San Antonio Holmes with that cat, toe-tapping catch to end the game. They should give out like two MVP's award. a defensive MVP, if deserved, and then an MVP award as well.

Or an MVP award. And if it was a defensive guy, then if someone played on the offensive side, you know, on the offens side of the ball very well, they should also have the offense of MVP. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying by that? Oh, Andy. Yeah. They can get a better sponsorship group out of the NFL too if they did that.

You could have, you know, Chevy for, you know, the offense and Ford for the defense. We're not business guys. Debo. Hey Lloyd, you're smarter than I thought. Harry! Your hands are freezing. James Harrison, absolute scary motherfucker.

Like, he's, look at him, you look at his pictures. It's like one degree outside. He's got his shirt off and his baggy ass sweats doing a pregame warmup, looking like he wants to just, I fucking kill every single person on the other side of the team.

Like, we played against him, and he's got a notion. And it's so fucking crazy that he didn't get drafted because he's about six feet tall, but he's also six feet wide. This guy is a fucking fridge. His arms are literally like 30 inches big. I remember he came and played with us in 17. It literally, when he would walk in the locker room, It felt like the scene in Friday when Debo would roll, everyone would put their chains away.

And he was like a nice guy, but he just had that scary or. Nice guy. Great guy. Scary aura about him were like, no, hey, oh shit, what's up? No one wanted to joke with them because you didn't know if he was going to take it or if he could be joked with it. But he was honestly a great teammate for that one year. And he's made so many incredible fucking plays in his career. Like, it's insane. Have you seen him do the shock put?

No, I never seen that. I guess he's a huge fucking shock putter. Like, he's a fuck, I love him. I absolutely loved him. I remember when he played that game in 2008, I was at Kent State, the Super Bowl, where he had that big 100-yard run in the Super Bowl. And I was just so excited to see a guy like him,

you know, dominating the NFL from where I came from. I mean, it was, it's crazy. Was Prime's James Harrison faster than you? Yes. Was he? Yes. I'm not going to say he wasn't. I had to think about that and I was like, wait, if I am faster than him, I should not say I was faster.

That's like me saying I'm stronger than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger than James Harrison. I don't think anyone is. But I'm going to talk a little football, you know, a little technician on the football field here. I mean, in the blocking aspect of the game. And who you're going versus, what type of guy you're going versus, what type of player you're going versus. who you're going versus because in the NFL, you scout the player you're going versus. You scout them.

You see what type of player they are. You see how they react to, you know, the type of blocks that they're receiving and all that good stuff. And what size he is, what height the defender is that you're going versus. You get in his chest. You throw your shoulder. There's so many different techniques depending on who you're going versus. And I love blocking a guy that's like 6'5, my height, who stands up.

Because then I can get in his chest, driving backwards, and a guy that doesn't have that mean look, that mean attitude, and a guy that's not going to get pissed off because I came flying off the ball and absolutely drilled him and drove him back five yards and embarrass him. That was the last thing I was trying to do with James Harrison. What were you trying to do, James? First off, with James, I knew I couldn't get into his chest. The guy is like a bowling ball.

Like, you know that 28-pound bowling ball that everyone wants to throw down the freaking lane and just trying to knock down all the pins? And, like, you kind of like do it grand. Any style and it's so heavy, you blow out your back. Well, those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL, especially at my size, six-foot-six. You know, it's hard for me to get low. It's hard for me to move that type of guy because they have so much leverage. Built-in pad level.

Yes, exactly. That's what he has. And with a guy like that and how scary and intimidating he was, and I've seen it on film, you do not want to piss James Harrison off. Why? What did you see on film? Yes. What do you see on film?

What do you see on film? I've seen him take defenders, offense alignment, tough. Awesome. I seen him absolutely level defenders and put him out of the game with a concussion. Dude, he knocked out Josh Kribs, one of his teammates from college. Literally knocked his ass out. Therefore, when I'm blocking him, it's a guy that you just kind of want to get in his way. I'm not going to come off the ball and crush his skull. I'm not trying to do that because if I piss him off, you know, if I hit him hard and I trigger him,

man, I'm going to tell you he's going to pick me up and throw me to the next play. So I never wanted to trigger him. I always just try to get in his way, you know, with my shoulder, with my hands. so then when the running back came around and you try to make a play, you know, just getting his way again, you know, so he can't make the play. I could feel his strength. Because if I started going strength for strength,

that's when I lose. Yeah. No doubt about it, that's when I lose the block versus a guy like that in leverage. So every time I just tried to just kind of play paddy cake, you know, try to let him absorb me. So if I did fly off the ball, he would fly off the ball too, then I would go backwards and he would have that separation. And the guy would pass.

So I just try to stick on him like a sponge, you know, and just always didn't let them out of my rearview mirror, just always staying in front of them, never trying to piss them off, never trying to give them a cheap shot. That was the way I blocked James Harrison, and it was a whole different style when you go versus a player like him.

That's crazy, see, we're here talking about, like Rob's, Robb used to block the biggest, baddest dude on the defensive line. That's fucking, you know, it's rarely seen, you know, matchup with the tight end and the nine. technique fucking D-end or what you know the outside linebacker that's playing down like that doesn't that's usually not the point of attack a lot of times is it you watch that film yeah you always want to get the tackle on those guys but when you have a tight end in that situation that's willing to do it

willing to get dirty that's what expands your offense yeah expands the run game that's what expands the play action game as well and i kind of use that to my advantage and that's actually what helped me get open plenty of time on the play actions when the linebacker step up because they thought You know, I'm coming out the block. But James Harrison was a terrifying pocket pressure player. Low. He got so low. He got so low. He's just like, like, yeah, he would have that shoulder dip,

and he would just get right by to offensive tackle. Even though the offensive tackle is twice his size, kind of like, it looks like twice as height, but he would get right underneath him and he was so strong. He would just rip through, right through his arm and then get to the quarterback. And he was quick enough to take kind of an outside angle. Run the hump. Yeah, run the hump and then bolt right to the quarterback. He also would have a great change up where he would just.

use his strength. He'd get right up in that chest of that guy who was about eight inches taller than him and push his ass right back into the pocket and blow up the quarterback. And that's the exact leverage I was talking about. And that's why I didn't go toe to toe with him right off the line because he would get that leverage and you'd push me back. So I would just try to stay on him and not let him get that force to, you know, to be able to push me back. So just being a smart player. Have you seen his workout videos? His workout videos are freaking ridiculous. He has like 845s on each side when he's freaking benching like 500 like 55 pounds you see it does it's just ridiculous his conditioning he gets like a a 30 pound or a 40 pound medicine ball and he plays

volleyball with it where you have to catch it I have seen that that that's hard people don't realize that's hard that's heavy weight and he does it for a long round like it's so fun to watch his workouts because he does like some world strongest man shit all the time We're like, you'll have like a boulder he's pushing or he's fucking pulling a goddamn car or throwing fucking rocks that are like 900 pounds. Like he's just a, he's a cool dude, man. And the one thing about it, the one thing would you agree, does his voice not match his body?

I think it does match his body. It does? Because I don't think it's like a low, scary voice. It's not as low as you expect. Yeah. So I don't think it, like you would think with that guy, he's like, hey, how you doing? Yeah, you're expecting that low.

No. It's kind of, it's not high, though. No, it's not high. It's kind of like James. I'm not saying you have a high. Which is kind of good, because imagine if it was that low, it would be like even scarier. Yeah. Like, I remember he, remember he gave, I got one of his shirts.

Remember he had the Debo shirt in the locker room? I still have the Debo's shirt somewhere here. He's like, he can lift like, whatever, 600 pounds, bent. squat, that lift. But what I love about him is that he always posts his regimen of, you know, recovering. Yeah. Of how he recovers off of those lifts, how he was recovering in the NFL. And he would put like 350 acupuncture needles.

And every day. Like every other day. And he posts about it. Like, you got to be a freak. You got to be intense in order to get 350 needles poked inside of your muscle tissue and just take it like an absolute champ. Like, that just shows. He,

that just shows. Like, he's dedicated. Like, he's doing whatever it takes to, to be at that level that he needs to be at. Who is the Mount Rushmore of strongest guys we played with, you think?

I would say Sebastian Vollmer, left tackle, was Vince Wolfork. He was super strong. He didn't really have to even, like, work out that much. He would just walk in the weight room

and toss up, like 500 pounds of the bench. Yeah. Marcus Cannon. Cannon was the strongest guy. I ever saw. In the squatting world. Oh, my gosh.

So strong. I remember Kenna would be squatting and there'd be 15 fucking 45. And the thing would be bouncing. I swear, I think he had like 1245s on each side. Remember that? Yeah, the bar would be bouncing. Like it was a fucking Q-tip with fucking rocks on it. Mm-hmm.

It was gnarly. That was a good imitation right there. And then Brandon Bolden for pound for, pound. Bolden didn't even work out. He was like, but he pound for pound when we do all those like, gosh. I wasn't saying like that was a bad thing that would work out. He didn't need to work out. Then I'm like, dude, how are you so strong and ripped? He was like, yeah, I carry my kids around. And I'm like, I'm like, dang, I got to start having kids. I got to start having kids. And I still haven't started. And this

is eight years later. I would still be playing if I had 10 kids. You would always do those. Remember, we'd always have to do those explosion recordings for some certain things. Like, like the Kaisers, and he would always be the absolute, he'd blow people out by a thousand points because he was just so explosive strong. I'd say that's probably our Mount Rushmore. Yes. His last Kent State game,

you know who he sacked five times? Miami of Ohio. Oh, Big Ben. His fucking teammate. Ben Rothesburg. No one's off limits. No one is off limits. We saw what he did to Josh Cribbs when he was in a Browns uniform.

We saw what he did to Ben Lerathlet. Berger when he was in a Miami of Ohio uniform. Like he is fucking Freddie Kruger, bro. This is, I mean, this is the perfect guy to have on the goddamn Halloween episode. You know, yeah, we're talking about his, you know, defensive skill set and all that. But what about every time he had an interception? He always almost like brought that ball back to the house. Always.

Obviously with one of the biggest Super Bowl plays in history, the 100 yard return versus Arizona Cardinals. And if they scored right on that drive, they were saying the game was going to be over going into half because the carnos had that big of an advantage and that much momentum going in. But he saved the Steelers that game with that interception to the house. It looked like he was about to be tackled eight different times. And he just kept going and kept going and kept going. He's kind of like a fullback mixed with a running back when he's running the ball.

Like Mike Allostat. Yes, exactly like him. He's Mike Allstott of the defensive side of the ball. Did he hear that he's, is he going to be fighting Nocho Cinco? He will be fighting Nocho. Yeah, Ocho Cinco. Ocho Cinco. First James Harrison.

What are you thinking, Ocho Cinco? What the? Fudge, are you thinking? I'll tell you right now, Ocho Cinco's got some ball. He does have some ball. He raced a horse. He's fought a couple times. And he's lost all the fights, though.

Has he? Yeah, he lost a fight. He fought one time. There's something to be said about a man that loses a fight and keeps coming back. He keeps coming back. Ocho Cinco don't back down. He doesn't. No, he doesn't.

But what's he thinking? What is he thinking? I don't, is it, it's UFC, right? MMA style. MMA style? Yeah. I mean, the only way you'd have to fight James Harrison is if you go box him if he couldn't bring you down.

Ocho Cinco is 6-1-190 pounds about, I would say. He's got it? He's probably like, yeah. He lost a Brian Maxwell in a boxing match? Did he? Yeah, it wasn't that pretty. I'm not saying he'd probably beat the shit out of me, but I'm not fucking James Harris. Mm-hmm.

James Harrison is a scary man. Should we go? We should go. I got a what-if scenario. Do you think we can beat James Harrison if we tag team versus him? You mean if we tag team James Harrison? No, no, like you and I versus James Harrison. I don't, honestly, I really don't know.

I consider myself a tough guy. And I consider you a large, tough guy. human as well. We would have to game plan. You have to game plan because you know the Steelers do do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. We'd have to game plan for that fight. Time. All right. But what kind of dude is James Harrison? Okay. I have I have two that I think he is. You know, I don't think he's a dude's. No one's, I played with him. And he was kind of, kind of a dude's dude, but I was too scared of him the whole time for him to me think that he was a

dude's, uh, the freak. He's, I mean, he's either a freak or dog to me. You know, and I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak that he was an undrafted freak, that's probably a stat that will never say again. And the, that's freaky. I mean, he is a freak for sure. I would not disagree with a freak. He has dog in him. There's no doubt about that. He's a relentless dog. He's a dog that he's a pit bull. He just never going to stop. It's the pit bull. that's untrained, yeah, that has the locked dog and just never letting go until that jaw finally gets tired after like 10 hours. You got to put him down. I think you got to put him down basically.

You got to kill him to let him go. But he's also a freak with the interception and the stride, his stride when he's running is ridiculous. I mean, it's freaky to have a stride like that at that size with that much mass and to be able to run like that, that's freaky. That's freaky tangibles. Dude, no one, five, they say he's six foot. That dude's 511. he may be 510 he bout my height and he's 260 and he runs just as fast as me okay if you want to call that not a freak you're fucking crazy yeah you are crazy then he's a freak he's a freak he's a freak

he's a freak stamp it what does a i have to say this dude was born on january ninth 178 and stands at 6 foot 1 and weighs 192 pounds. He was drafted as a wide receiver in the second round of the 2001 NFL draft and played wide receiver for the Bengals, Patriots, Dolphins, and the Montreal. Aluettes. He was a four-time all-pro and the NFL receiving yards leader in 2006. Originally from Miami, he played college football for Santa Monica College and Oregon State University. off the field he's known for flamboyant personality and antics,

including a name change, reality TV appearances, and an active social media presence. Wow. Jules, who do you think we're talking about, buddy? Let's get on Chad Ocho Sinko. Ooh, and what's the first thing you think of, Jules, when you hear the name Chad Ocho Sinko Johnson? The first thing I think of,

one of the wildest card moments or wildest moves ever was we drafted or we traded for Chad. and we went into the, we were installing the offense. And during installation, Chatt O'Shea, our coach, you know Chattieo. Yes, he goes, all right, guys, we got everything. It's all good. You know, just don't be seen. I'm going to let you out of meetings early.

Don't be seen. We still have a team meeting. Don't be seen. We have a team meeting. So clear this up. You got a lot out of meetings early, but we have a team meeting still? We still had a meeting after. So we had like an hour and a half for a meeting until the next meeting.

But Chad had to get some shit done. All right. We got everything installed. We had a pretty smart room. And so he let us out early. Well, Chad thought it was smart. And this is Chad's like first couple weeks there. He thought it was be smart to leave the facility.

And on the way out, poke his head into Bill's office and asked if he wanted anything from Starbucks. And so that's wild. That is... What did he think it meant to not be seen? Like, to not go on Twitter? To not post a picture online. I think he was just new and he's still trying to be friendly in the whole thing. But...

Like, it was a total accident. Total accident. And then, you know, the next time we had a receiver meeting in the room, O'Shea was like fucking, he got ripped a new asshole because, you know, what are you doing, let guys out early, this, that? It just was a whole thing. just a wild, like he didn't, he didn't understand, but that's what I thought of like, man, Chad's crazy.

The whole kiss the baby thing, the whole, it's real. He just, he just goes off of what he feels. Off of his instincts. What do you think of when you think of Ocho? Well, first off, the name change. You got to love it. He was one of the most entertaining players, you know, in our generation while we were growing up.

Yeah, for sure. Cincinnati Bengals, that's for sure. I truly believe he's a Bengal for life. He played for a couple other teams after, but 100% bangle for life. He kind of put that wide receiver, you know, position on the map in that era that continued the street going of, you know, of being kind of, you know, spontaneous, entertaining. Entertaining.

A little bit of drama as well, but also so good at the game of football that he can pull it off and, you know, not be a problem child at all. In some cases, I would say possibly, but just overall he was so good at the game of football. so quick that he could pull off all that dancing that he was doing. He can pull off all that trash talk that he was doing. He could pull off all those antics off the field during the offseason that he was doing, going, you know, playing soccer with the MLS teams, kicking extra points as well during the preseason games. I mean, this guy had talent and he had so much talent that he could be a wild card dude whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that he had. And you got to

appreciate that as well because it's just cool, man, to see. see just someone be themselves. That's who he is. It's not like he was doing it for a show, which it was a show, but he was truly doing it because that's just how he was born. And you got to respect that aspect of his game and of who he is. He was like the first guy with a million followers on Twitter in the NFL, I think. Tom absolutely hated that he was on Twitter because he was Mr. Twitter. He had like three million followers. The second highest person was like 200,000 in NFL. And this is in 2012. He got traded to the New England Patriots

and he was always on Twitter still and Tom and Coach Balichick where just always grilling him like, oh, get off freaking Twitter, get off Twitter. It doesn't help you in the game of football. But it never really, like really, I would say, what am I trying to say? Affected his game.

Twitter was just back then, they just acted like it did. Yeah. But we just did things differently in New England and he didn't, he didn't comply to it. The funniest, I'm the point. is where I'm getting to is now Tom is Mr. Instagram and Mr. Twitter now. And so like, or Mr. X. So that was the point I was getting to. Tom is Mr. X.

Well, another thing, it was always known that he loved McDonald's. Mm-hmm. What's your take on that? I mean, that's kind of freaky that you could just eat McDonald's and still do that. McDonald's for most of his career. And he also said it helped his body like callous for football. Yeah. I guess.

I mean, there's only one guy. that could possibly do this. I mean, there's a lot of players that sometimes, you know, not sometimes eat fast food, but I'm talking like, Chad did it on a daily basis, breakfast, lunch, dinner. And I saw him. He went to that corner store right on Route 1 right next to Gillette's Stadium. There's a McDonald's there.

Yeah, it's the half-eathe. It's half in the... McDonald's half-licker store thing. He would go there and he's always in the drive-thru. And I saw him one time he pulled up and he was eating the fish-fil-a sandwich. I like the fish-fil-a, though. What's your favorite thing at McDonald's? Uh, the coffee, bro.

You like the coffee there? They got legit coffee there. I don't really eat McDonald's. I, if I do, I get a double cheeseburger and I just take the, um, the patties off of the bread. And I just eat the hamburger patties with the cheese on and just smash them. I mean, I think it's safe to just eat the meat, you know. What about the McGrittle? Oh, breakfast.

They got legit breakfast. Sausage and tea. The pancakes. Oh, the pancakes are on fire. So I'm a breakfast guy at McDonald's. Yeah. I'm not going to really eat, you know. know their lunch or dinner.

No Big Mac? No Big Mac. Like if I do get the Big Mac, like I said, I'm just eating the patties only. But it's just impressive, though. Chad ate that McDonald's every single day. Every single day. All the time. His body was just a machine.

I mean, I guess if you get used to it, your mind is just going to know what to do with that type of, you know, nutrition. So hats off to Ocho Cinco. He's crazy. He would like race animals. Didn't he race a horse? He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone. Chad is so.

Do you think you can beat a horse in a race? No, no chance. I mean, would you ever race a horse? No chance. A horse and I have one thing in common, Jules. And I'm not going to tell you what it is. Just use your wild imagination. I get, I understand.

Thank you. I understand. Thank you. Well, he raced a horse for a charity. Feed the children. You know, he had a hundred meter start and he beat the horse, which, you know, props to him. He's silly.

Always just doing silly things, man. He did silly things, but people like, when we were playing, he had elite feet. Like his footwork was quicker than anyone I knew. And we caught him on the tail end of his career, and he still had some really insanely quick feet, meaning he could get in and out of breaks for how tall he was at 6'1. He was a real, he was a skinnier guy.

But usually when you're 6'1, it's harder for you to get in and out of breaks, but you watch his comebacks, his releases, like he was always the separation king at the top of route, at the beginning of route. He was an elite receiver.

Now, with all the antics and stuff, we all remember him that because that's probably because he didn't win, but he was a fucking elite receiver that had a lot of production for a long time in this league. He was so quick. He had the best releases in the game. as well. And like you said, I think he was the quickest play. He had the quickest feet in the game of football.

It was like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, bum. He would go side to side with it as well. So I'm sure he's a great line dancer as well. He won dancing with the stars. Did he? Fourth. He came in fourth. All right.

There's one thing that's always certain, he said, and that's death, taxes, and 85 going to always be open. Always open. You got to love him for that. And he was always open. Besides when he got to New England, he was, he was struggling a little bit there. Why do you think he struggled? I just think he struggled because, you know, just a complicity of the playbook a little bit.

I feel like he had the freelance to do whatever he wanted to do in Cincinnati. And then when he got to New England, it was more of a structure. Like, this is what you got to do. This is how you get open. It's not like you're going to be able to just freelance to play backyard football. I feel like he played backyard football a little bit more with the Cincinnati Bengals. Tom wanted it like that, but possibly he wanted to do it like that. But he couldn't do it like that because Tom wanted it.

like that. I mean, it just didn't really work out to the T that, you know, we wanted it to. Obviously what what Coach Belichick wanted it to and as teammates as well. But there's one thing, though, that we know. We got blessed with the presence of Chad, Ocho Cinco for that whole entire year. And that's what is more important is just to be around a great dude and just to see, you know, how he carried himself to, just one of the greatest wide receivers of the game. Do you have any stories about Chad? We went out to dinner, actually, during training camp.

And he was just a great character, man. He always got the waitress wound up, you know. He got her wound up, cracking jokes, like, you know. Where'd you guys go? We went Toby Keith Bar and Grill right there at Patriot Place. And he would be flirting. And then the waitress would be flirting back with us. And like, you're just such an awe because we were such young bucks and just how he was so spontaneous and so quick with his game.

Like his way he would speak and talk and have game, it was like his feet were running his mouth. like, blah, blah, boom, just that quick, you know? And then what's so great about it is like he would leave her hanging, though, because he would give like an outrageous tip to her and then, like, didn't leave his number or anything. Like, he would get the, you know, he would get the waitress, he would get, he just outgoing. He just likes to, he likes to push people's buttons, I think. Exactly. Give her an outrageous tip and then we all just leave.

And the wait, wait, where did he go? Like, oh, I didn't get his number or anything. But he would just bounce on. Chad was so fun. It was fun. Also could kick. He had a big. soccer background and I think that's probably what helped him with such great feet, quick feet that he had.

I mean, I remember Cincinnati, their kicker got hurt. He kicked a field goal. He kicked a couple field goal. I think he kicked a 30-yarder. He played in soccer leagues. I think he tried to play in a professional league at one point. He tried out for the Kansas City MLS team during the 2011 NFL lockout. And while he was trying to do that, I was doing my wild, wild dude shit, Jules. I was at the University of Arizona during that lockout. And I was at the pool parties dancing up on the on the stage and everything at the pool parties i was freaking pounding beers and everyone was like oh you're going to be in big trouble by coach bell check after the lockout but what did i do i showed up and i was just as wild out on that football field and

training camp baby that was that was my favorite off season was after my rookie year because we didn't have to go in at all at all and i got to be wild as possible because i had a little bit of money i was 21 years old and i was just running around college campuses just being an absolute wild maniac. It was the greatest offseason of my career, no doubt about that. What did you do during the lockout, Jules? I just told you what I was doing. I actually took a couple classes at Kent. I was in L.A., trained out here. Didn't we have like a fucking, we had like a couple team practices at B.C. during the lockout, remember that? When Brady called a couple. We did. We had about three practices at B.C.

That was really cool. That just shows the leadership of Tom, just how wild of a leader he was. Tom wasn't a wild car. He was a wild leader. And that just shows, you know, why he's, you know, one of the, actually the greatest player to play. Could Chad kick the field goal kick of Destiny for that you do everywhere? Yeah, 100%. So easy.

Yeah. He kicked an extra point in a preseason game, which that's a lot harder than kicking the kick of destiny. I mean, I don't have a line. No one's snapping it. The ball's just sitting there on a tee for you. And it's easy. Just a layup.

And freaking, I missed. twice. So Chad Ocho Sinko, I actually need you for the kick of destiny. I'm actually not doing it this year, but in the future, I'll possibly be doing it again. So I want Chad Ocho Cinco as my coach or my replacement for the kick of destiny.

Now, how far is the kick of destiny? Oh, 25 yards. So it's 25 yards. I was kicking it on the 15-yard line. And so how far do you think they would have to handicap

Chad's kick because he can kick it better. So we'd have to bring... I would say he would have to kick a 40-yarder. A 40? I think he got 40 easy, though. I mean, but no, he does have 40 easy, but that's the point. I've missed the last two years. So we need someone to make it now. Okay, okay.

And we want him to make it as well for the fans out there and for fan duel and for just the kick of destiny. But what about his TD celebrations as well? He was one of the best in the game. He wore the gold jacket that said Future Hall of Fame 2000 with two question marks as a post touchdown celebration. How about the cheerleader proposal? I actually got to take some tips from you because I'm now dating the cheerleader. I've been Chad Ocho Cinco.

So you proposed in the first freaking four seconds you met her, which is pretty impressive. So call me up. I need some tips, brother. And then he was putting the football like a damn golf ball as well when he took some pie. Did you do that ever? I never done that, man. My craziest TD celebration was just. just spiking the ball.

Or actually when I was, you know, the one in London as well, when I did the booty shaking. Yeah. That was pretty impressive. Then you did the soldier. I did, yeah, the soldier of guarding the Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace walk. Yes.

Yeah. Now, he, remember he didn't he, he took the camera once and was filming. This was like the full generation of overly celebrated, crazy, get your popcorn ready, celebrations by receivers. Remember like Joe Horn, he was taking cell phones out. You got Chad doing everything Chad's doing. T.O. and his celebrations.

I mean, just, this was like the era where they were getting fine. They were getting penalized for it too. They didn't give a, they didn't care. But it was still fun. You know, that was the No Fun League at the time. It was. I remember that when everyone was

translating NFL as to be the No Fun league because they kept finding Ocho Sinko and all the other guys that were being entertaining, you know, to the, to the fans. James Harrison or Ocho Sinko. They're fighting here soon. Super Bowl weekend, MMA style. Who are you going with? It's MMA style.

I'm going with obviously James Harrison. The thing is that this is how crazy Chad is. Why the fuck are you fighting James Harrison who I think he knocked him out of a game once? James Harrison is. is a freak of nature. He's just going to get a hold of Ocho Cinco and just break him in half. Does Ocho think that he's going to box him? Ocho Cinco is going to have, yeah.

Boxing is different stories. He can be, he can be quicker. This is M. M.A. now. This is M.M.A. style. Like, James can put his hands on him and do whatever he wants to do to him. James plays volleyball with like 80-pound balls.

Remember when he throws it over the thing? Yeah, he does. So you know he can catch motherfuckers. Yeah, Ocho Sinko is wild. He's wild. I love it, though. Keep being wild, Ocho. Time.

Let's go. What kind of dude is Chad Ocho Sinko, ladies and gentlemen. What kind of dude is Chad Ocho? Come on now. I wouldn't really say freak. I mean, his feet were freaky, freaky feet. Yes. Dude's dude.

Yeah, he was, man. He was all about the guys. He was. He brought us out the dinner. Yeah, he always invited us. When he was in New England, invited everyone around. He was a dude, no doubt about that. Whiz?

I wouldn't really go that far because like I said, I think he struggled with the, with our playbook a little bit. So did I. I didn't even play my rookie year because I didn't know our playbook. It's very. It's a very tough playbook. He's got a dog in him too. I mean, he don't care.

He'll freaking challenge anything, anyone to anything. I mean, race to horse, he'll box you. He doesn't care. But I think he's, I think he's a stud. I think he's a stud as well. I feel like that's, you know, field goal. Look how he's doing off the field now.

He's just, he's a lovable guy. but he was always he always had a he's a stud to me he is a stud i mean just the way you know he presented himself on the field and off the field that's when you know you're studly you know yeah he was so fast and he was such a stud that he had to race a horse because horses are studs so that makes chat ochosinko a stud a stud keeps the girl waiting at at at the bar yes like like he did yes knows that you know He could have probably took the little lady on a date. But just did it just to, I don't know. He's a stud.

Just to be a stud. On three, one, two, three, stud. Well, that's been another episode of Dudes on Dude. Subscribe on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Amazon music, wherever you listen to podcasts. Comment a dude you want us to do. And remember, rate and review, leave a five-star review on Spotify while you're there.

Remember to follow dudes on dudes on YouTube, Instagram, X to, talk in Snapchat. We'll see you guys next week. Dudes on Dudes is a production of IHeartRadio. For more podcasts from IHeartRadio, Visit the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors for the next era of gaming.

smooth high quality streaming with Intel Wi-Fi 6E and maximize game performance with enhanced overclocking. Win the tech search. Power up at Lenovo.com. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years, until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and people.

small town. Listen to Graves County on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Leve, Rufus Wainwright, Mavis Staples, really too many to name. And there's still so much more to come in this new season.

Listen to Nora Jones is playing along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Whenever I got through the window, I tried to pick him up and his body was stiff. I'm Ben Westoff, and this is The Peacemaker, a true crime podcast about a string of mysterious suicides at a Missouri university, and the fraternity brother tied to them all. Brandon Grossheim. The lawsuit says Grossheim was one of the last people to see each victim before their deaths. Was he profoundly unlucky? Or was something much darker at play? Listen to the Peacemaker podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer, chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers, including

clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you. A hundred percent of women go through menopause. Even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it? Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Pointer on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.