Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Ray Lewis, Jack Lambert, and James Harrison | Scariest Dudes

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

In honor of Halloween, this week, Gronk & Jules are getting on some of the NFL's scariest dudes of all time: Ray Lewis, Jack Lambert, and James Harrison. We’re talking what it’s like to get knocked out by Ray Lewis and his love for all things Gladiator. We decide if Jack Lambert is indeed the scariest looking NFL player of all time. We talk about what it’s like to witness James Harrison in the weight room. We wrap up the show by comparing NFL stars to classic horror movie villains.Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's just like, awesome. Well, welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grancowski, aka Harry. Harry. Where's your name again? Lloyd. Lloyd.

Lloyd. Happy Halloween. This is Dudes on Dudes. The show where your favorite dudes talk about their favorite dudes. On today's special Halloween episode, we are talking some of the scary. various dudes of all time. These guys are intimidating.

We're talking Ray Lewis. He set the stage for what Baltimore has become. Who else are we talking? Kent State Golden Flash, Jack Lambert. What if you were lined up and he looked at you with his no teeth? I'd probably be wide open because I'm going to run full freaking speed away from him. And fucking James Harrison. Two flashes.

You know, if I hit him hard, man, I'm going to tell you, he's going to pick me up and throw me to the next place. So I never wanted to trigger him. I always just try to get in his way. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. And then we wrap it up by comparing some of your NFL favorites to iconic horror villains. Four movie villains.

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Our first guest that we'll be talking about on the Halloween edition of dudes on dudes, scary motherfuckers, or mean scary guys. We'll start with former teammate of mine on Inside the NFL, Ray Lewis, scary, SOB. Let's see what AI has to say about them. All right, we got some dude synopsis here. Scariest dude, number one, is Ray Lewis. Let's see what AI has to say.

What's AI got to say? Ray Lewis is widely regarded. Ray Lewis is widely regarded as one of the greatest middle linebackers in NFL history, known for his intense playing style and leadership on the field. And off the field, he overcame personal challenges and became a motivational figure. Often speaking about discipline and perseverance. Lewis had significant impact on the Baltimore Ravens, leading them to two Super Bowl victories and earning the Super Bowl MVP in 2,000.

and one. Wow. Wow. I was 12 years old in 2001. Jules, how old were you about? 15, 14, 15. 15? Notably, he is the only player in NFL history with over 40 career sacks and 30 interceptions.

Instinctive. Additionally, he was a 12-time pro bowler and a two-time NFL defensive player of the year. Ray Lewis for you, ladies and gentlemen, brought to you by AI. I think AI is pretty right. I worked with Ray as soon as I retired on Inside the NFL. And in those pre-production meetings, he would speak. And I felt like I wanted to run through a goddamn brick wall every time he would speak. He sounded like a pastor with a mix of craziness and a mix of a gladiator quote.

Ray, don't think I don't know where your quotes come from. We went to Rome together, and I figured out that all of Ray's motivational quotes come from the movie The Gladiator. It was crazy. I remember playing him. He knocked me out of game first off. What game was that, and what year was that he knocked you out of the game? It was remember when Deion Branch came back for the first game back? So about, was it 2013?

Your fourth year or my third year? This was like 2012? 11 or 12. Yeah, it was 2011. What did Randy Lee? Branch came back on the team. On the team when we went to the Super Bowl. Or 11.

Yes, yes. 2010, my rookie year, Randy Moss was traded after the fourth game of the season. And then didn't we trade for? We traded back for Deion Branch, right, that year? So it was my rookie year. It was your rookie year. Yes, 2010, the same season that Randy Moss got traded. Yeah.

And he hit me on under in the red area. And I remember Helodinata, like picking me up and saying, hey, buddy, you're your side lines that way. That was at Gillette Stadium. At Gillette. Yes, and it was 2010. 2010. Yes, it was.

He lit me up. And then the year before, this is my second year in the league, year before in the playoffs, he scored on a scramble in the red area. Tom darted it to me. I caught it and I got a touchdown. And Ray was right behind me and he needed me so hard in my left butt cheek that like I got a crazy hematoma. And I looked like I had Jay. low booty on like my butt was just I had one big butt it was so fucking crazy if we would have

we got smoked that game but I wouldn't have been able to play the next week because I had like internal bleeding it was fucking nuts so that dude is scared the shit out of me what do you think about first off AI hit hit it hit it on point but they didn't you know talk about all his characteristics that he brings to the table as well yes great motivational speaker great player you know all the accolades two-time Super Bowl champion whatever 12-time pro bowler, but they didn't talk about the characteristics that makes him himself, vicious out in the field. Vicious.

Vicious. Intimidating. A hundred percent. I would put my hand down and I was already scared of Ray Lewis when he was lined up in front of me. I was, when you're scared of a player, you're kind of already beat as well. Just that's how intimidating he was just the nature of just the way he carried himself, the energy that he brought to the table.

You did not want to mess with Ray Lewis. No doubt, no ands, ifs, or butts about that. Now, he was not just scary, but he was also, like, one of the smartest football players you fucking played. Very intellectual. Like, I remember we'd be in a three-by-one, like a trips formation, and he'd be sitting there calling out, like, I watch this hook, watch this hook.

Like, he'd be calling our plays, and he would, I remember talking to him when we, work together and he would study all of our, our TV copies so he could hear Tom signals. He could hear all the line front signals. So anytime we would play the Ravens with Ray, we kind of knew that he knew everything. We had to change everything because he was such a smart, hardworking guy that did anything it took to fucking go out and win a game. If that meant sitting watching five hours of all the TV copies to just to get one little

signal from something, that's what Ray Lewis was doing. And he was just, he was fucking like, we look at middle linebackers now. Middle linebackers are 225, 230 pounds. Ray Lewis was sideline to sideline 250. 250, doing war dances before the game, getting the whole city of Baltimore, some light. I mean, he was their first, first pick of that franchise. Like, he set the stage for what Baltimore has become, you know, like what he said in his things, known for defense.

tough team. You know, it's carried out throughout, you know, Harba Harba Harborough inherited him, rose it to what it is now, but there are tough fucking team. And Ray Lewis was like the war daddy of the war dabbies. And he was the definition of a linebacker in the NFL in the, in the decade of the 2000 era. No doubt about that. You big, strong, intimidating fast, took no shit at all. No.

He was the defensive captain. He was the guy in the huddle that got everyone. you know, in the right spots where they needed to be. He was the one that was calling every single defensive player. He was the absolute definition of a Mike linebacker, of a middle linebacker. Mike linebacker is just a name for the middle linebacker for all you people out there. So Mike linebacker, middle linebacker, same exact thing, MLB, but he was the definition. He was the standard of strength, of speed, of agility, of a middle linebacker.

Instinctiveness. And how to instinctiveness, intellectual. just how smart he was, the ability to know what plays were being called, and how to fill a gap as well. That mother effort, that mother effort knew how to fill a gap and blow a gap up better than any linebacker in the history of the game. And he set the example to all young guys, all players, all defensive players in high school and college,

on how to play the linebacker position in the game of football. There's no doubt about that. that was mean, aggressive. What else is there, Julian? Fucking instinctive. Yes. Just all of it. And once again, I got to experience,

and I got to be on a team, you know, with Ray. And the way he motivated guys, like his stories and like how he would, you have to, like, he told me once we're doing inside the NFL, he goes, you got to win the crowd to win your freedom. I'm like, Ray, we're talking about football. We're not in a goddamn We're not at the Coliseum right now Okay, like I want to run through the wall

But we're not hitting nobody Just who he was, Jules Yes, I, it's crazy He was he would say something And I couldn't understand anything But I got the point Like he would say something I'm like

Fuck yeah I don't Let's let's have the best fucking show Let's have the show right Like that's how Ray was You know We went and did this convention over in Croatia together. And so I was like, Ray, let's, you want to go to Rome after with me?

And so me and Ray went to Rome and watch him go. We went to the Coliseum for a day. And it was like watching a kid walk into a candy shop when he saw that Coliseum. Like you could tell that it was like ingrained in him. He was like, this is where the men that. that I am used to perform in the day of age of them. He said something like that to me. I'm like, Ray.

What? In one of his past lies, I bet you he was a gladiator. Oh, 100%. Fighting in the Coliseum. 100%. Yes. He, he, I saw, he literally had a single tear when he walked and he saw just how grand and old and how he was, you could see him using his imagination for all the freaking

fans and stuff and guys ripping each other's goddamn heads off. And it like, he loved it. Wait a second. Do you think he was one of the gladiators back in the day? Or was he one of those lions? No, he was in the Coliseum. He was. What was he both?

He was Lionheart. Lionheart, but a gladiator? Yeah, Lionheart. Lionheart, like Van Dam. Can't disagree with that. You ever been covered by him? I've been covered by him a few times. I mean, obviously his.

game was stopping the run, but he was very smart in the zone coverage as well. Hell of picks. Yes, a lot of picks. I mean, what, he has, what, 30 interceptions and over 50 sacks? What was that? Yeah, only person ever do it. The only one to ever do it. And, you know, he's just very athletic for his size too, man.

His arms are just massive. It just looks like a guy out of like a magazine cover, you know, just straight off a magazine front page cover right off the stands and just put on the football field. A mannequin of a gladiator. He was a definition. of what a guy in Madden looks like, you know, when you're playing the game Madden, you know, he just got taken right out of the video game and put right on the field. But I got to clear up a little bit with Ray Lewis.

I mean, the guy, you know, back end of his career when we were facing him, so we didn't really get the true Ray Lewis, just like all of us in the NFL. He lit me up. Yeah, he definitely lit you up still. But when you're in your prime prime, you're moving people no matter what the situation is. You're moving people. You're blowing up the holes, all that. So we didn't, we didn't, I never got.

like leveled by Ray Lewis. I definitely felt his power. But here's a situation. I was running this thing goes viral all over Instagram all the time, where it's a clip of me running over Ray Lewis. But let me get this clear out there. I didn't really like technically run over Ray Lewis. I mean, I did in the clip and people just take it out of context because, you know, on the film directly, like with, you know, you just take that three seconds of a clip. And I am running. running over Ray Lewis. But here's the deal. Here's the situation. It was a passing play. And I was on a route. He was dropping back in the coverage. And I was debating. I had a, I had an in cut, 12-yard in-cut. And I was debating because he was dropping back, you know, doing his thing,

making it hard on myself because, you know, he's very smart of a player, knows how to drop back and get you confused of where he's going. So then it kind of throws you off your route. So I'm like, Do I go outside of him because he's dropping out of my zone, out of the area where I got to run the 12-yard income? Or is he going inside? And I should go inside or should I go outside of him? You know what I'm trying to say? So I'm debating and I'm kind of stiffed this game.

You know, I'm just running straight. And I'm debating. Should I go out? Should I go in? Should I go out? Should I go in? And I'm running full speed at him, debating. And then boom, I just clash right into him.

So he wasn't really paying attention to me. And he was looking back at the quarterback, but when I clashed right into him on the passing route, he went flying backwards and I ran him over. And then I like jumped up real quick and acted like I was wide open. So like I didn't really run him over. Did you get a catch? No, I didn't get a catch either.

So it was great coverage by him actually, like to the T if you ask me. But it's a clip where I'm like, no, it's like just taking out of context. I will tell you when I ran someone over. That's how scary of a guy he is is where Rob over here ran his ass over. Okay, I don't want to hear it, right? He got ran over. No, I didn't run him. He was dropping back in coverage and I just ran my route through him.

He's trying to justify running him over to not make Ray mad at him. I don't want Ray mad at me. I can tell you that right now. But I was just running my route and it went through him and he was, you know, he was on his heels backing up, backpedaling and using his space. Yeah, he did go flying. But it was not like a run player or anything. If that was a run play and I blocked him like that, well, then that's off to me.

I would still go running. I would still run to the other side. line because I'd still be scared of Ray Lewis. But I didn't technically run them over. It was just a little mishap. And Jules, I got a question. When he did that, you know, the war dance running out of the tunnel, the Baltimore fans going crazy. Did you ever watch one of those war dances?

Oh, every time. Or were you like looking the other way? Like, coach, no, no, Bill, check, I'm not, I'm not watching it. Why are you saying that? Yeah. Because that's what Bill used to say. Yeah. Don't be paying attention to what they're doing.

Just worry about what you're doing. But Ray Lewis is war dance. you had a peek. Dude, that's how- you had to. Coach Belichick would be a- on a Ravens weekend. You'd always be like, look,

we're gonna be going to Baltimore. You're gonna have Ray doing his goddamn fucking war dance. Like, just get your heads right. Get your heads right for the game. Don't, we're all, you know, he's gonna be doing that war dance. You know, he's referenced the war dance.

Wait, his war dance is called the squirrel dance. Ain't no squirrel doing that. Yeah, because, Jules, you're a squirrel. You ain't doing those type of dances. I never heard anyone even call it. No, that's a war dance. It was started by his friends in his hometown. They named it the squirrel dance because it had the whole town jumping. I get it now. I know, but the squirrel dance, you're the squirrel. Yeah, and I don't see a squirrel looking that scary. Oh, squirrels are furry and cute. Kind and snugly. No. Ray looks like he wants to bite your face off and do a war dance on your face

after it's been bid off. What about his visor? Fucking scary. This is oral overall. Ray Lewis is or I mean the visor, what the, you know, the little bands on his arms, all that. Just a scary player overall, scary. In that purple and black.

That's just a mean looking team. It is. All right. All right. Time. Let's determine what kind of duty is. All right. Ray Lewis.

What kind of dude is Ray Lewis? Is he a freak? Of course he's a freak. I mean, he definitely has a freak of nice. nature in him. I mean, he's gigantic. He's a definition of a middle linebacker. He's a whiz as well. He was so innovative for the sideline to sideline quarterback of the defense type linebacker. I don't, you know, I could be recency bias, but this is what we grew up on. He's a dude's dude as well. I mean, positive attitude, the motivational speaking, getting everyone

going, bringing everyone together. I mean, he's special, man. That's special just to have that, you know, in life is to just be able to. to motivate people and bring people together. And on top of it, just being that phenomenal of a football player, man. That's what really made him specialies. He had so many great characteristics that he brought to a team, not just being a good player. I think he's a dog. He's relentless.

He's motivated. He's physically and mentally tough. Dude, tore his tricep came back in a fucking like four weeks for the game. Like, he doesn't care if he has something hanging on by a thread. If it's a playoff game or if it's a, uh, AFC North. divisional game or if it's a game against us, you knew Ray Lewis was going to be out there doing his goddamn war dance before the game, getting the whole fucking crowd going crazy. You know, that's going to be what Ray does. And he's a fucking dog. He's a dog. He is a dog.

And any time you're a dog, you get the job done. And he got the job done every single time he hit the field. Let's go to our next guy. I never messing with Ray. Hell no. I'm going to be best friends with him. And he would love the shit out of you. He's the best teammate ever. We'll be right back after this. Quick break. All I know is what I've been told.

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It did look scary. Who looks scary. Who do we got? He looks like Halloween. We got Jack Lambert, ladies. OMG. Played for the Pittsburgh Steel. Jack Harold Lambert.

Jack Lambert, Golden Flash. What's the I got to say about old Jack? Start the clock now. All right. Hit that clock. Jack Lambert. Jack Lambert was an intimidating and fierce linebacker, known for his aggressive playing style and toothless snarl.

No teeth. Off the field, he was a private person who preferred a quiet life. often retreating to his farm. Lambert had a profound impact on the Pittsburgh Steelers, leading them to four Super Bowl victories in the 1970s. With our guy, Terry Bradshaw, the original TB12. Terry! Oh, good old Terry Bratshaw!

Uncle Terry. He was a nine-time pro bowler and an eight-time all-pro, earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in 1976. notably he recorded 28 career interceptions and was a key figure in the Steelers dominant defense. You want to know what I loved about Jack Lambert. It was he wasn't the traditional size of a linebacker, especially back in the heyday. He was once again, a guy from Ken State University. No flashes.

Was he drafted into the NFL? Yeah. He was drafted. He was a fourth rounder. I know that he had, you know, not the ideal. 46 overall. He didn't have the ideal size going into NFL as well. I think he was 6-4, about 200, 210 pounds coming out of Kent State.

And they wanted to put some bulk on him. So he didn't really play, you know, at the size of all these other linebackers. And in the NFL at the time, I think he played about at like, what, 220, 220, 2.30. So 6-4, a linebacker at 6-4, that's kind of unheard of. Usually they're shorter, more stocker, can fill the hole, can take on a lineman, can take on a full-back. can go side to side with the agility. But this guy, now he was different. What, you know, that kind of was an advantage for him, you know, watching tape on him.

I feel like he could see over the lineman because he was six, four. He could see what was developing in the backfield. And when you can have that type of advantage and you can see what's going on in the backfield, you can see that short running back where he's going, where he's angling, that's an advantage. And Jack Lambert, use that on the defensive side of the ball, making tackles. It was just ridiculous. watching him play. What if you were lined up at tight end and Jack's the middle linebacker right here and he looked at you and he with his no teeth and he said, hey, Gronk, I'm going to eat

your lunch. What would you do? I'd probably be wide open because I'm going to run full freaking speed away from him. I'm running full speed. But at the same time, those are the guys that are hard to get open versus because I'm 6'6. That's my advantage is my height. Yeah. And my size. but when you're 6-4, and yeah, he was smaller than everyone, but, dude. Long and lanky. Yeah, long and lanky. But he had that, like, hit stick. Like, it's kind of like a type of strength that is kind of not taught, that, like, some type of strength where you don't go in the weight room to get that.

That's that leverage strength. Yes, he's six-four, just, you know, skinnier, more athletic than these other linebackers and other players in the NFL. But he had that, you know, that pop. He had a pop in him. And when you have that pop and that toughness, I mean, it doesn't matter what size you are. You can knock down anyone, even if they're 50 pounds bigger than you. He's also like an intimidation factor. You've seen the Super Bowl against the Cowboys where the guy, the kicker missed the fucking kick on the Steelers.

And the cowboy guy was heckling him. And fucking Jack Lambert grabbed him by the back of his thing and threw his ass down and say, hey, boy, shut the fuck up. Like that, it is crazy. I think the rep was right there. too scared to throw a damn penalty. Like, that's how scary of a guy he was. I mean, he's just, he's not like a big guy. He was, he had a wide receiver built.

He had long, you know, skinny legs. Instinctive as fuck. Yes. I mean, you, you throw on his highlights. Yeah, he would blow up the one yard, or he'd blow up the goal line player, the short yardage play. But you saw him drop and he would always make these crazy. He had a lot of interceptions too, I think.

Like, he had a bunch. grew up a Browns fan, played for the Steelers. Big hitter. He was trash talker that backed it up. Probably one of the toughest guys on one of the toughest so-called defenses of all time. That steel curtain. You had mean Joe Green. You had all these Jack Hamm.

And then you have fucking Lambert over there who. A lot of these guys are scared of him. This guy had no front teeth. No front teeth. He looked like a hockey player. He was labeled as the scariest-looking player. in the NFL on top of being that scary on the field. He's also.

That's a double, double whammy. What about his nicknames? No, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Dracula and cleats. That's actually tight because he has their teeth. He kind of looks like a jackal lantern. He kind of looks like a jackalater. He does, you know, in some pictures, some way. And then that, look at the helmet that he's wearing the base mask.

Yeah, with the bar. You got the bar right down the middle. The neck roll. He always, you saw him with the patent, 1970. these freaking hand and arm pads. You just see a guy like him giving a freaking clothesline to a quarterback and like spitting on him afterwards. Like that's the kind of guy Jack Lambert was.

He's, what did it say, J.T. Thomas? He's so mean he hates himself. You got to play like that. What I love about Jack Lambert, too, is that he never, he had a quote before. It was something along the line of that. He just never used football as a popularity contest. you know, he looked at it as it was his job. Fucking.

And you got to appreciate those guys. You love those guys in the locker room because they were all business. And Jack was business at all times. And he didn't care about, you know, who was watching home, you know, how popular he was. He cared about getting the job fucking done. And that's what he did. Who's the modern day Jack Lambert? And that's a tough question because there's really no linebackers that are six four in the NFL.

Not any middles. No, no, especially not the middle line. Probably would have been. Some outside linebackers. It would have been like Erlacker back in the day. Oh, yeah. Erlacker's a good one. Because Erlacker was like a safety.

Yes. That turned into a safety. A good. Or a linebacker. Currently, I'm not really sure. Anyone really compares to Jack Lambert. It's different game. In the current NFL.

He also, like, I went to Kent. And I didn't even hear any, he stories about him, really. Like, he was, he's kind of like an off-the-radar type guy I heard. I heard he's like in some country. town probably in Ohio on his farm. I think he's got bomb shelters or anything. If anyone in the Jack Lambert camp hears this, can we get an update on him? We would love to as a former flash and a guy that went to the same university as him that likes him. We want to know if he's okay. I think he is okay. Like I said, like he just cared about doing his job. He didn't care about the

popularity. And he's kind of like that. When was the last time he was seen in the football world? I think it was when the original Steelers Stadium closed down before they were going to build their The new one, three rivers? Yeah. What was it? Three River Stadium, right? Didn't he go to that last game or something? Did he? Was that the last time he was seen? Yeah, 2000 was the last time he was seen in the football world. I wonder what he thinks about all this technology. He looks like a guy for fact that will fucking if you're on his phone if you're on a phone around him i i think he might shoot the phone yeah he's still using a pager no i don't even think he has a pager i think he's got landline just a pager he's got landline bro he's got cord still that with like a 30 foot cord so he could take a goddamn call away from

his wife like two rooms down and has to shut the door and use and put the cord under the door gap so he could have some some privacy that's the kind of guy he's just a That is the kind of guy he is. Like, I got, I got a question to us. Would you ever go off the grid? Would I ever go off the grid? Jack Lambert hasn't been seen for 24 years. Actually, I would, if I had enough means to go off the grid, I would love to go off the grid.

You got plenty of means. Nah, I got kid. You can't, like, you can't go off grid if you have a kid. Like, if it was just me and rock, I'd go off of the dusty trear, but I can't. Just a deserted island? I don't know. Infinity amounts of food and water. Some little town in Mexico.

Would you do it? Would you go off the grid? Can you see yourself going off the grid? I would love to go out. Like I said, if I... I wouldn't like that. Huh? We got dudes on dudes.

Yeah. Why would you go off the grid on me? Wouldn't it be cool to have a Mai Tai and like a little umbrella? Can we just do dudes on dudes off the grid? Wait. Well, we wouldn't be off the grid then. We'd be real dudes on dudes. How?

Just you and I. Dude on dude. Yeah. No. How do you think he'd play in today's football? I think he'd be pretty good. Yeah, he'd be really good, especially, you know, because it seemed like he was very athletic as well.

Cover. Yeah. Cover pretty well. So the way that, you know, we're throwing to football now in this era, I feel like he's a guy that can drop back in middle of the field and especially in zone coverages. I think he would have a couple interceptions a year, no doubt about that. And just his mentality that he brings in the run game,

I feel like some defenses are missing that type of mentality too. Like those guys that play willing. Yeah, the willing to go in and just take a full back, you know. Playing all down one on one, not just third downs. Heads up. All downs, you know, and just being able to just, you know, give up your body, sacrifice yourself. So those players, Ray Lewis, obviously, Jack Lambert, another one of those. So what about John Elway?

Remember when John Elway faced Jack Lambert? Yeah, didn't he? What happened? He said, just let me out of here. be an accountant. Yeah. You want to know why? You want to know what else happened?

He did say that after the game, but you want to know what else happened? What happened? He lined up under the right guard. That's how scared he was. He was that scared and nervous. I mean, that was a- He freaking went under the right guard. What year was that?

Imagine that. 83. So Lambert was still there. Lambert played what, 12 years? This was a young John Elway, probably young Buck out of Stanford. One for eight, 14 yards that game. One for eight.

We're talking to John Howay. 1,48, 14 yards. Jeez. When he faced the scariest defender. The steel curtain. He wasn't just hearing him. He had to steal. Yeah, he did.

Benjo Green, ham, L.C. Greenwood, all those boys. I mean, and he was the fucking flag carrier for that scary-ass defense. Time. What kind of dude is Jack Lambert?

Jack Lambert. A stud. He was a stud, but. Not Kent State. But not Ken State. And not when you're that scary. And when you're that scary, you're technically not a stud. He's got the athleticism.

He's got the football IQ. But he always had the is he too small in his category. So that takes him out of the stud. And that takes him out of the freak category as well. Yeah, but he could be a freak because he's like a regular lanky dude that played like he was 280. And he had a hit stick. He had a hit stick. and he had no teeth.

They had no teeth. He could be a whiz because he was so fucking intelligent. You know, he was calling out plays. And I was watching all his, you could tell he knew the game better than a lot of the other guys he was playing against was no one. Was he a dude's dude? I probably don't know. I heard a snake story where he almost killed a guy for putting a fake snake in his room. Like, I don't think he's a dude.

He's not a guy that you want to fuck with or pull a prank on. he might, you know, pull out his 20 to him and kill you. He looks like he writes manifestos. Yes, he's got a list. Yeah. He's got a list. Yeah. So, no, don't pull pranks on him.

You know what? I think he's a dog. He's just a dog. He is a dog. You know, he's relentless. He's motivated. He's physically and mentally tough. Has exceeded everything that everyone thought he couldn't do at the highest level.

Jack Lambert is a dude of a dog. And dogs don't care about getting the credit. No. They just want to feel the love. And they just want to do their job. And when they do their job, they feel the love. That's it. That was poetic.

That was fucking poetic, Rob. Where did you learn? I have a dog. That's why. I have a dog. He does not care about his popularity. He just cares about doing what he needs to do to protect myself, protect Camille, and protect the house.

And then he feels like he's a, accomplished. And then he snuggles into me and we share love. That's just dogs loving dogs. He's a dog stamp it. Dog. All right, let's get into our last Halloween edition of dudes on dudes guy that we are going to talk about. You know what? I'm looking at this and it's pretty gnarly. that every one of the scariest guys that we're going over is from the AFC fucking North. Another Kent State Golden Flash. Another man that scares the living shit out of you. He sure does.

His name is Debo, but his birth name is James Harrison. James Henry Harrison, Jr. Hank? I will not call him that to his face. He'll probably beat my face in. I've seen him doing that volleyball shit. What is up? Let's see what AI has to say. All right, ladies and gentlemen. AI for James Hank Harrison, Jr. Jr. The second, holy smokes. Oh, that's blank. AI was scared. AI is fucking scared. I'm scared. Did not want to get it wrong. Start the clock.

No. Now. James Harrison. James Harrison was a tenacious and a hard-hitting linebacker. Tenacious. Tenacious. Thank you, Jules. Got you.

I'm Harry. I didn't read any books growing up, okay? You know, and a hard-hitting linebacker. Known for his relentless work, ethic, and physical style of play. Off the field, he was dedicated and resilient, overcoming numerous setbacks to achieve success. Harrison had a significant impact on the Pittsburgh Steers on the Pittsburgh Steelers, helping them win two Super Bowls and earning the NFL

defensive player of the year award in 2008. Jesus. Notably, he set a then-Steeler's single-season record with 16 sacks in 2008 and is the only undrafted player to win defensive player of the year award. He was also a five-time pro-baller and twice named the Steelers MVP. He should have been a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, but San Antonio Holmes with that crazy toe tapping catch to end the game.

They should give out like two MVP's award, a defensive MVP if deserved and then an MVP award as well. Or an MVP award. And if it was a defensive guy, then if someone played on the offensive side, you know, on the offence side of the ball very well, they should also have the offense of MVP. You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying by that? Oh, Andy. Yeah. They can get a better sponsorship group out of the NFL too if they did that. You could have, you know, Chevy for, you know, the offense and Ford for the defense. We're not business guys. Debo.

Hey, Lloyd, you're smarter than I thought. Harry! Your hands are freezing. James Harrison, absolute scary motherfucker. Like, he's, look at him. You look at his pictures. It's like one degree outside. He's got his shirt off and his baggy ass sweats doing a pregame.

warm up looking like he wants to just, I fucking kill every single person on the other side of the team. Like, we played against him, and he's got a notion, and it's so fucking crazy that he didn't get drafted because he's about six feet tall, but he's also six feet wide. This guy is a fucking fridge. His arms are literally like 30 inches, big. I remember he came and played with us in 17. It literally, when he would walk in the locker room, it felt like the scene in Friday when Debo would roll, everyone would put their chains away.

And he was like a nice guy, but he just had that scary or. Nice guy. Great guy. Scary aura about him were like, no, hey, oh shit, what's up? No one wanted to joke with them because you didn't know if he was going to take it or if he could be joked with it. But he was honestly a great teammate for that one year.

and he's made so many incredible fucking plays in his career. Like it's insane. Have you seen him do the shock put? No, I never seen that. I guess he's a huge fucking shock putter. Like he's a fuck, I love him. I absolutely loved him. I remember when he played that game in 2008,

I was at Kent State, the Super Bowl, where he had that big 100-yard run in the Super Bowl. And I was just so excited to see a guy like him, you know, dominating the NFL from where I came from. He, I mean, it was, it's crazy. Was Prime's James Harrison faster than you? Yes. Was he?

Yes. I'm not going to say he wasn't. I had to think about that. And I was like, wait, if I am faster than him, I should not say I was faster than it. That's like, that's like me saying I'm stronger than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger than James Harrison. I don't think anyone is. But I'm going to talk a little football, you know, a little technician on the football field here. I mean, in the blocking aspect of the game.

And who you're going versus? What type of guy you're going versus? What type of player you're going versus? Who you're going versus? Because in the NFL, you scout the player you're going versus. You scout them. You see what type of player they are. You see how they react to, you know, the type of blocks that they're receiving and all that good stuff.

And what size he is, what height the defender is that you're going verse. You get in his chest. You throw your shoulder. There's so many different techniques depending on who you're going versus. And I love. blocking a guy that's like 6-5, my height, who stands up. Because then I can get in his chest, driving backwards, and a guy that doesn't have that mean look, that mean attitude, and a guy that's not going to get pissed off because I came

flying off the ball and absolutely drilled him and drove him back five yards and embarrassed him. That was the last thing I was trying to do with James Harrison. What were you trying to do, James? First off, with James, I knew I couldn't get into his chest. The guy is like a bowling ball. Like, you know that 28-pound bowling ball that everyone wants to throw down the freaking lane and just try to knock down all the pins and like you kind of like do it granny style and it's so heavy. You blow out your back.

Well, those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL, especially at my size, 6 foot six. You know, it's hard for me to get low. It's hard for me to move that type of guy because they have so much leverage. Built in pad level. Yes, exactly. That's what he has. And with a guy like that and how scary and intimidating he was and I seen it on film, you do not want to piss James Harrison.

Why? What did you see on film? Yes. What do you see on film? What do you see on film? I've seen them take defenders, offense alignment, toss them. I've seen them absolutely level defenders

and put him out of the game with a concussion. Dude, he knocked out Josh Cribs, one of his teammates from college. Literally, knocked his ass out. Therefore, when I'm blocking him, it's a guy that you just kind of want to get in his way. I'm not going to come off the ball and crush his skull. I'm not trying to do that because if I piss him off,

you know if I hit him hard and I trigger him man I'm going to tell you he's going to pick me up and throw me to the next play so I never wanted to trigger him I always just try to get in his way you know with my shoulder with my hands so then when the running back came around and you try to make a play you know just getting his way again you know so he can't make his strength I could feel his strength because if I started

going strength for strength that's when I lose yeah no doubt about it that's when I lose the block versus a guy like that in leverage so every time I just try to just kind of play patty cake you know try to let him absorb me. So if I did fly off the ball, he would fly off the ball too, then I would go backwards. And he would have that separation. So I just try to stick on him like a like a sponge, you know, and just always didn't let him out of my rear view mirror. Just always staying in front of them,

never trying to piss them off, never trying to give him a cheap shot. That was the way I blocked James Harrison. And it was a whole different style when you go versus a player like him. That's crazy. See, we're here talking about Rob like Rob's, Robb used to block. the biggest baddest dude on the defensive line. That's fucking nuts. You don't see, it's rarely seen, you know,

a matchup with the tight end and the nine technique fucking D-end or what, you know, the outside linebacker that's playing down. Like that doesn't, that's usually not the point of attack a lot of times. Is it?

Do you watch that film? Yeah, you always want to get the tackle on those guys. But when you have a tight end in that situation, that's willing to do it, willing to get dirty.

That's what expands your offense. That's what expands the run game. That's what expands. spans the play action game as well. And I kind of use that to my advantage. And that's actually what helped me get open plenty of time on the play actions when the linebacker step up because they thought, you know, I'm coming out the block. But James Harrison was a terrifying pocket pressure player.

Low. He got so low. He got so low. He's just like, like, yeah, he would have that shoulder dip and he would just get right by to offensive tackle, even though the offense of tackle is twice his size, kind of like looks like twice as height. But he would get right underneath him and he was so strong. He would just rip through right through his arm and then get to the, the quarterback and he was quick enough to take kind of an outside angle.

Run the hump. Yeah, run the hump and then bolt right to the quarterback. He also would have a great change up where he would just use his strength. He'd get right up in that chest of that guy who was about eight inches taller than him and push his ass right back into the pocket and blow up the quarterback. And that's the exact leverage I was talking about. And that's why I didn't go toe to toe with him right off the line because he would get that leverage and you'd push me back. So I would just try to stay on him and not let him get that force to, you know, to be able to push me back. So just being a smart player.

Have you seen his workout videos? His workout videos are freaking ridiculous. He has like 845s on each side when he's freaking benching like 500, like 55 pounds. You see it does. It's just ridiculous. His conditioning, he gets like a 30 pound or a 40 pound medicine ball and he plays volleyball with it where you have to catch it and throw it. I have seen that.

That's hard. People don't realize that's hard. That's heavy weight. and he does it for a long round. Like, it's so fun to watch his workouts because he does, like, some World Strongest Man shit all the time. We're, like, you'll have, like, a boulder.

He's pushing or he's fucking pulling a goddamn car or throwing fucking rocks that are, like, 900 pounds. Like, he's just a... He's a cool dude, man. And the one thing about it, the one thing, would you agree? Does his voice not match his body? I think it does match his body. It does?

Because I don't think it's like a low, scary voice. It's not as low as you expect. Yeah. So I don't think it, like you would think with that guy, he's like, hey, how are you doing? Yeah, you're expecting that low. No. It's kind of, it's not high though. No, it's not high.

It's kind of like James. I'm not saying you have a high voice. Which is kind of good because imagine if it was that low, it would be like even scary. Yeah. Like, I remember he, remember he gave, I got one of his shirts. Remember he had the Debo shirt in the locker? room. I still have the Debo's shirt somewhere here. He's, he's like, he can lift like, whatever, 600 pounds, bench, squat, that lift. But what I love about him is that he always posts his regimen of,

you know, recovering. Yeah. Of how he recovers off of those lifts, how he was recovering in the NFL. And he would put like 350 acupuncture needles in every day. Like every other day. And he posts about it. Like, you got to be a freak. You got to be intense in order to get 350 needles poked inside of your muscle tissue and just take it like an absolute champ. Like, that just shows. He just shows like he's dedicated.

Like he's doing whatever it takes to be at that level that he needs to be at. Who is the Mount Rushmore of strongest guys we played with, do you think? I would say Sebastian Volmer, left tackle. Was Vince Wolfork? He was super strong. He didn't really have to even, like, work out that much.

He would just walk in the weight room and toss up, like, 500 pounds of the bench. Yeah. Marcus Cannon. Cannon was the strongest guy I ever saw. In the squatting world. I've never, so strong. I remember Cannon would be squatting and there'd be 15 fucking 45. And the thing would be bouncing.

I swear, I think he had like 1245s on each side. Remember that? Yeah, the bar would be. And it would be bouncing. Like, it was a fucking cute tip with fucking rocks on. it. You're like, it was gnarly. That was a good imitation right there. And then Brandon Bolden for pound for pound.

Bolden didn't even work out. He was like, yeah, but he pound for pound when we do all those like, oh my gosh. I wasn't saying like that was a bad thing that would work out. He didn't need to work out. And I'm like, dude, how are you so strong and rip? He was like, yo, I carry my kids around. And I'm like, I'm like, dang, I got to start having kids. I got to start having kids and I still haven't started and this is eight years later. I would still be playing if I had 10 kids. He would always do those. Remember, we'd always have to do those explosion recordings for some certain things like the Kaiser's. And he would always be the absolute, he'd blow people out by a thousand points because he was just so explosive strong. I'd say that's probably our Mount Rushmore.

Yes. His last Kent State game, you know who he sacked five times? Miami of Ohio. Oh, Big Ben. His fucking teammate. Ben Rathesberger. No one's off limits. No one is off limits. We saw what he did to Josh Cribbs when he was in a Browns uniform.

We saw what he did to Ben Rathlisberger when he was in a Miami of Ohio uniform. Like he is fucking Freddie Kruger, bro. This is the perfect guy to have on the goddamn Halloween episode. You know, yeah, we're talking about his, you know, defensive skill set and all that. but what about every time he had an interception, he always almost like brought that ball back to the house. Obviously with one of the biggest Super Bowl plays in history, the 100-yard return versus Arizona Cardinals.

And if they scored right on that drive, they were saying the game was going to be over going into half because the Cardinals had that big of advantage and that much momentum going in. But he saved the Steelers that game with that interception to the house. It looked like he was about to be tackled eight different times. And he just kept going and kept going and kept going. He's kind of like a fullback mixed with a running back when he's running the ball.

Like Mike Allstate. Yes, exactly like him. He's Mike Allstott of the defensive side of the ball. Did he hear that he's, is he going to be fighting Ocho Cinco? He will be fighting Ocho Cinco. Yeah. Ocho Cinco. Ocho Sinko.

First, James Harrison. What are you thinking, Ocho Senko? What the Ocho? Fudge, are you thinking? I'll tell you right now, Ocho Sinko has got some balls. He does have some ball. He raced a horse. He's fought a couple times.

And he's lost all the fights, though. Has he? Yeah, he lost a fight. He bought one time. There's something to be said about a man that loses a fight and keeps coming back. Keeps coming back. Oh, Joe Zinko don't back down. He doesn't.

No, he doesn't. But what's he thinking? What is he thinking? It's UFC, right? MMA style. MMA style? Yeah. I mean, the only way you would have to fight James Harrison is if you go box him,

if he couldn't bring you down. Ocho Cinco is 6-1-190 pounds about, I would say. He's got it. He's probably like, yeah. He lost a Brian Maxwell in a boxing match. Did he? Yeah, it wasn't that pretty. I'm not saying they'd probably beat the shit out of me,

but I'm not fucking James Harris. Mm-hmm. James Harrison is a scary man. Should we go? We should go. I got a what-if scenario. Do you think we can beat James Harrison if we tag team versus him? You mean if we tag team?

team James Harrison. No, no, like you and I versus James Harrison. I don't, honestly, I really don't know. And I, I consider myself a tough guy. But, and I consider you a large, tough human as well. We would have to game plan. We'd have to, you have to game plan. Because you know, the Steelers do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. They do what they do. They do it very well, but they do what they do. They do what they do. And they don't adjust. They don't adjust. They don't adjust. You can do what they do. They do and they do. We'd have to game play a James Harrison for that fight.

Time. All right. But what kind of dude is James Harrison? I have two that I think he is. You know, I don't think he's a dude's dude. I played with him. And he was kind of a dude's dude, but I was too scared of him the whole time for him to me think that he was a dude's dude. The freak, he's, I mean, he's either a freak or dog to me.

You know, and I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak, that he was an undrafted freak, That's probably a stat that will never say again. And that's freaky. I mean, he is a freak for sure. I would not disagree with a freak. He has dog in him. There's no doubt about that. He's a relentless dog.

He's a dog that he's a pit bull. He's just never going to stop. It's the pit bull that's untrained. Yeah, that has a locked dog and just never letting go until that jaw finally gets tired after like 10 hours. You got to put him down. I think you got to put him down basically. You got to kill him to let him go. But he's also freak with the interception and the stride, his stride when he's running.

Yeah. It's ridiculous. I mean, it's freaky to have a stride like that at that size with that much mass and to be able to run like that, that's freaky. That's freaky tangibles. Dude, no one, five, okay, they say he's six foot. That dude's 511. He may be 5'10.

He bout my height and he's 260 and he runs just as fast as me. Okay, if you want to call that, not a freak, you're fucking crazy. Yeah, you are crazy then. He's a freak. He's a freak. James Harrison. Freak. Stamp it.

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We kind of did this with Transformers and on games with names where we compared Transformers to guys. Now let's do some horror villain comparisons to NFL guys. Jigsaw, the guy from Saw that's terrifying. He's pulling strings behind this. He's a mastermind. Mastermind. So that's kind of, it's got to be a coach.

But they're not as they're, we're talking like the intangibles of how they can, you know, display what's going on, not their characteristics. Like, Jigsaw was a killer. Like, we're not talking about him being an actual killer. We're talking about how they can, you know, set the whole scenario up. Yeah, like, saw the whole game plan. Yeah, so he saw. So basically the whole... He's the guy behind Saw.

All right. So the whole, what am I looking for? You're looking for a, what's so? Mastermind manipulator. Yes. Someone who... He's believing... He, like, Saw is getting yourself to believe that if you rip your eye if you rip your eye, ah, ha, ha, ha, you're going to live.

Belichick, no doubt about that. I was going to, there's other names. That's Bill. And you're going to die if you don't do that. Yeah. What it's like, I would say maybe like college coach, Nick Saban, one of those guys. Sabin, Sabin. Sabin's a Ging.

Andy Reed right now, current coach, Andy Reid. He's a mastermind. Yeah, but I don't, I don't see him making you go for your life. Yeah. I feel like. I feel like he gives you an option. After a while, like, he gives you an option. After a while in the room where you.

you had to, like, cut your arm off, Andy would jump out and say, here's a cheeseburger. Yeah. You know, like, he's like a nice guy. He is. Yes. He'll rip your face off. I've heard that and he practices hard and he's tough with his guys. But Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, I think.

All right. Jigsaw. Those two. Masterminds. Frankenstein, a monster in size and ability. Without a doubt, you got to be in this category. I, Jules, I was going to just say my name right away right off the bat. I am definitely Robbie Frankenstein here.

Bobby Munster. That's easy. You can go, who else, Trent Brown? Oh, Trump Brown, definitely. Trent Williams. He's from the Niners. Trent Williams, the offensive tackle? Yeah, he's huge.

He's Frankenstein? He's huge. Yeah, but he moves too good. He moves too good. He doesn't move like Frankenstein. He's huge. Did you do a Frankenstein? Did you do a Frankenstein celebration ones?

So the one in London actually was not a. Frankenstein celebration. A lot of people thought it was. What was that one? That was a changing of the guards. The Buckingham Palace. I was protecting it as one of the one of the guards and that's what they do when they walk back and forth. So I did that to you know give credit to to London all my all my fans. Good day, Mike. Good day, Mike. Good day. Good day. Mike. Good touchdowns. Mark. Grant. Good game. Good touchdowns. All right. I don't have a London accident. It's a it's a bloody chav. No, the time I did do the Frankenstein was actually when I was in Tampa when you didn't want to come down with a stool. I'm always going to remind you of that, okay?

You know? You know, I wanted you there. Humidity makes my skin break. It does. It does. Humidity does. I remember that one practice in Tampa one year when we were in the Patriots. It was a 9 a.m. practice.

And dude, I was tapping out. I wanted to cry. That was 2012. I wanted to cry. It was 2012. I was only like weird young bucks too. I wanted to cry. Oh, that was hot.

It was the worst practice of my life. Oh. Worst situation every week. I got off the plane that night before. It was the hardest practice, too, being in that. The worst is when you're running and your feet are so soaking, sloppy, wet. You could just feel the, it's like you go and you slide and you get a blister because your toes and your sock. It's like you jumped into a pool and then you went out to practice.

Literally. All right. So Frankenstein, Tampa Bay. All right. So it was weird destroying the lions. And I scored another touchdown from Blaine Gabbard, the first player, the second half. and I did the Frankenstein. Was it on Halloween?

Yes. No, it wasn't. It was in December. But I just did the Frankenstein just to do the Frankenstein. I fucking love it. Yeah, it was a problem moment because that was my only Frankenstein. I always wanted to do Frankenstein. And that was the first time I did Frankenstein.

It was the only time I did Frankenstein. So I'm just glad I got to do Franklinstein. I mean. Yeah, Robbie Frankenstein. You should definitely always do Frankenstein. I mean, I basically am Frankenstein. So I kind of am always doing it. What are you?

Big Daddy? Frankenstein? You've seen the movie break, we bad to remember. Oh, wait. The kids name's Julian. There I am. There's Frankenstein, Rob. I also dressed up as Frankenstein at a Halloween party for the New England Patriots for the kids, of course.

You know, it was a Halloween party for the kids. That's a good Frankenstein. They all came to Gillette Stadium. Oh, man. I was Frankenstein. I'm too short to be a Frankenstein. I'd be like Eddie Munster. I did the face painting.

I put the gloves on. That's what we should do. You should drop is Frankenstein. And I'll do little Eddie Munster with my little Widow's Peak, little vampire, like a little kid. Mike Myers, who will not die, invincible, brute. Got a knife in his hand. Jack Lambert. Jack Lambert looks like he's Mike Myers. I would go with a always comes back. Is that Myers? Mike Myers, right? He's always never dead. Always coming back. Still going. Still has movies. His comebacks are still going. Yes. That's fucking Tom Brady. Just what? Just a straight. Is that Tom Brady?

Is he coming back? Is he coming back? Is he the Michael Myers of Halloween? I'll tell you, One Mike that might want him. Mike McDaniels down in Miami. Oh, Mike McDaniels in Miami. He might, Mike won't. Mike Myers, Tom Brady.

Mm-hmm. All right. Freddie. That's a match. That's a match. But maybe not a match made in heaven, but it's a match. What about Freddie Kruger?

Oh, he's scared. So haunting your dreams slash nightmares. He haunts you. Yeah. He's not like, he's not like a killer. It's kind of nice a little bit in ways.

Yeah, but he just haunt you. It's not like he's, killing you, right? You don't kill people. I don't remember those movies. I honestly, I was a Halloween movies guy with Michael Myers. I got terrified of them. And they're still going. I actually was watching the last Michael Myers movie on a plane like a year and a half ago. It was the new latest Halloween that came out. And I swear to you, I was on a plane. And I was scared shitless and I turned it off after the first 30 minutes. And I never ever done that with any movie

in my life. I was that scared, dude. I swear to you, I was fucking that scared. Did you hit up the flight attendant and say, can I have a warm glass of milk, please? No, I just turned it off and just put on like a comedy to just try to get out of my mind. It was scary. So who's Freddie Kruger? Oh, oh, if we're talking on the defensive side of the ball, current players like Max Krosby. Crosby. Oh, Crosby.

Crosby could be. I think Lamar would haunt my dreams if I was a defensive coordinator. Lamar Jackson. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ. Is he going to run? Is he not going to run? What if he feels like he doesn't? want to run today and all the weapons everywhere.

Like, he's a, he's a nightmare. Pay and Manning. Hey, he haunt the defensive coordinators. Forever. Tom, he could be put in there, but he's also Mike Myers. Yeah, he's just Mike Myers. He just won't die. Yeah, just keeps going.

Mahomes, he, I mean, he's fucking terrifying to dream about if you're another team. And like, he's playing his worst football ever and he still wins. Big back in the day, being the first running quarterback to that ability. I mean, no one knew. how to stop that. Freddie Cougar can go anywhere. What about Penny Wise? Which one's Penny Wise? Penny Wise. I never even seen Penny Wise in my life. That's it, the clown. Never seen it in my life. Never even heard of the name Penny Wise before, but I've seen that clown phase before. He slumbers for decades before reawakening to renew his own terror. A book-ended Super Bowl career

of sorts. Back from the dead. Back from retirement. Biggest clown. I'd be like you on. You or I. Yeah. Yeah. But we're not clowns. Maybe like once every life. Slumbers for decades, but comes back for a reawakening. Oh, I mean, if we're talking like,

is J.G. Walking to come back and play? No, he's not coming back and play. He's not coming back. This is his first year out, right? No, second year out. Second year? Yes.

He still looks good. He does look good. He looks great, actually. He looks, he looks mammoth. Who's coming? What about Kurt Warner? Kurt Warner. Wasn't he in the NFL?

And then he went and played arena football. And then he came back to the NFL and just potted everyone's dreams for a couple years from there. Did he win a Super Bowl? Yeah, he won. Yeah. He won one. Greatest show on turf. Yeah.

With the St. Louis Rams. St. Louis Rams. Yeah. So, you know, Kurt Warner. I would say, yeah, almost did. But guess who beat him? Patriots. Brady.

Patriots. Bill Belchuk. Yeah, so that's a good category. In our last category, one that got me as a child. my I was terrified of this Chuckie Child's play I used to

I was like eight years old my brother scared me so bad once when I was a kid with the doll that he ordered that I was too scared to shower but with the I was too scared to shower

so my mom because my brother terrified me with this when I was like seven or six could have been 12 made my brother sit in the bathroom while I showered

because I thought something was going to come get me in the shower. So he had to sit on the toilet. My, my mom was sitting there. So you have to do this. You see what you did your little brother. I'm like, I can't do it. I can't do it, Mom. He's going to get me Chuckie. So who's the Chucky? I can't relate to that Chules. I'm sorry. I was never a doll guy either. I don't know. You have a sister, so you probably know a lot about dolls. Dude, that's not terrifying. I only, it wasn't tearing. I never really watched child play. Never. really watch any movies for Chuck. I probably seen

10 minutes worth and like it wasn't really my style. Watch the original Chuckie. I've seen, you know, clip it's of it. Watch the original Chuckie. Yeah, it's fucking terrifying. It is. It's terrifying. I mean, John Gruden looks like Chuckie. Yeah, he does. John Gruden is definitely a Chucky. He looks like him. He does that Chucky face. Have you seen him on it?

Have you seen him on Instagram lately? No, I haven't. I don't follow John Gruden. He had this. I didn't even know he was on Instagram. Dude, it's so good. He has this one where he's sitting there and he's like, got a coach's sweat from being on like a treadmill for like 10 minutes, you know, coaches get all sweaty. And he's like, yeah, I'm sweating right now.

I just got done watching Jaden Daniels film. Like he's, I'm like, what the fucking? I love Gruden, man. Gruden loves football. He loves football. It'll be interesting to see if he can get back in. It'll be interesting. Woodhead.

Kind of looks like, Chuckie. Oh, Woodhead. Yes. A little doll out there. Yes. Woodhead. Oh, for real. I hear you Danny Woodhead.

Oh man. He was like Chuckie though. He would trick you. You really want to practice today? Like he was the, he was the most negative positive guy of all the times. Like yo, like you really want to practice?

Like why are we playing football? Like when's the biweek? When is the biweek? We need to get on a vacation. I'm like, yo, it's the second week in training camp, Danny Woodhead. Get away from me. I'm trying to enjoy lunch and get ready for practice.

And you're trying to freaking convince me that I should not go out there. And then he goes out there. The most positive guy, let's go, guys, let's go. And he's running full speed every play. I'm like, what the few? You're just saying he didn't want to practice. This is what he would do.

He would come in and you guys. He'd come in and he guys. Is anyone else's hamstrings feel like they're about to blow up? Yeah. Like that's what he would say. You go, does anyone else think that their calf muscles about to fall off? And I, yeah. And we got to go do a double date right now?

Like, that's how he would do it. And I'd be like, and I'd be like, no. And he'd be like, yeah, but just think about it. Just think about your hamstring blowing up. And you sit there like, it's blowing up. And then you see Woodhead at practice. He'd be lighted it up.

You'd be fucking fine, full speed. Come on, Woody. He was great. Good luck. He's actually, he's qualifying. He's trying to qualify for golf again.

I mean, he's a fucking stud golfer. I hope he gets it this year. Yo, if he took that technique that he, you know, that he was doing with us in the facility, like,

oh, is your hamstring about the blow? If he goes up to a golfer, like, hey, are you feeling it today, man, I'm not really feeling.

He can, because golfing is all about mind games. It's about mental. You got to get up in the head. So he can get in the golfer's heads and he can just win just doing that technique, right? Let's go, Chuck. Get in the heads. Let's go. Let's go, Woody.

Let's go. Well, that was fun. Halloween edition of Dudes on Dude. That's been another episode of Dudes on Dudes. What could we do better next episode? What could we do better next episode? What could we do better next episode, Jules? I'm not sure.

So comment. Let us know. Let us know, please. We want to get better. We're coachable. Yes, we are coachable. You one thing about us. We were very coachable.

You told Rob Gruncowski, one thing once. It never happened again. It was a little different with me. I had to. It's a little defiant. But with Rob, very coachable. I'm very coachable as well. Yeah, but you stay coachable because of that.

Yeah, you stay coachable. You have to. If you don't listen the first time, they still have something to coach. That's what you were doing. You were staying coach me. I wanted them to coach me. Yeah, so you just did it wrong on purpose.

So they could coach you, even though you knew what to do, but you wanted to get really coached. So then if there was another scenario, another situation of, you know, of the type of route that you're running and where the guy is located, you knew what to do on every scenario.

That's how coachable. I love that. So give us a comment that you, what we could do better. subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your podcast, comment on a dude that you want us to do. Please rate and review as well. And remember to follow dudes on dudes on YouTube, Instagram, X, TikTok, and Snapchat.

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