Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Shannon Sharpe & Chad Ochocinco

Episode Date: February 21, 2026

We're covering legendary tight end, Shannon Sharpe, and legendary receiver, Chad Ochocinco! Gronk and Julian Edelman discuss what made Shannon and Chad so great and some of their favorite stories.Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, well, hold on. Let me check my. Are you off? I have a text message, though. This starts with Dix and inertia wave. What? Yeah. Dixen inertia wave? Yeah.

What is that? That's the first four words. So, oh, Dix and inertia wave are collaborating with Rob. What is that? A tech? Am I accepting this collaboration? Oh, Dick's sporting good. Yeah, Dick's sporting good.

Oh, Jesus. But it says Dix and inertia wave, like, this is getting raunchy. But it kind of goes with Shannon Sharp. And his Instagram Live. So make sure those Instagram lives are turned off right now, ladies and gentlemen, because we don't know what may happen. Start the clock. What's AI I got to say about O'Shannon.

Oh, Shannon Sharp. Shannon Sharp is renowned as one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history, known for his exceptional athleticism and competitive spirit. Off the field, he is admired for his character. Off the field, he is admired for his charismatic personality and dedication to community service. That was community service on that Instagram life. It made a lot of people happy. A lot of people happy.

A lot of people got happy. Yeah, they sure did. And entertainment too. Entertainment. Hey, that's community service. That's serving the community. Yes, it sure is. All right.

They're getting a little out of hand now. A.I. Chart made a significant impact on the Denver Broncos and Baltimore Ravens, winning three Super Bowl titles and becoming a key player in their offenses. He was the first tight end to surpass 10,000 receiving. yards. I don't even have 10,000 receiving yards. He's a monster. And this was back in the day. Back in the day. That's basically.

And held the records for most receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns by a tight end at the time of his retirement. Sharp's post-retirement career as a sports analyst has farther solidified his influence in the football world. And he's not just an analyst

in the football world either. He's an analyst in all of sports, which he is like, he is broadened his fan-based, time by, you know, breaking down basketball. Basketball. Breaking down, Rick, what, badminton if he had to. Dude.

This guy can do it all in the broadcasting world. He went up with Skip, him and Skip. Like, he could battle him. He could talk. I mean, there's no, that's, he's famous for a reason, not just his podcast, Uncle Shay, Shay, and everything that he's got going. This guy's like, he, you could tell he's a, fucking smart guy.

He looks like he can still play. He sure does. He looks like a linebacker now as well. He looks like he's jacked. He can go out there and just level fools and just get right back up. He is jacked. And I think he posted an Instagram within the year of him benching still. And I think it was like 385.

It was around there. Don't quote me the exact way. But it was right around there. And he put it up like five times as well. Jesus. He's huge. Jack. I watched a lot of the film.

and the miced-up and stuff. Yeah. He could talk some shit, too. He's one of the- Sharm could talk some shit. He is the biggest shit-talking, tight end in NFL history. Without a doubt.

About a bet. No doubt about that. How about when he came to Foxboro, one of the old stadium, back in the day, obviously, he was playing in the 90s, and he picked up the phone, the red phone.

No one picks up the red phone. No one picks up the phone. You get, you get your ass-busted, if you pick up that phone. He put, hey, Hey, someone called the president. Where, what did he say exactly? We just,

someone called the president. We're killing the Patriots, sending the troops. Man, something like that. It was right along those lines. Right, right. Yeah, we are killing the Patriots. Someone call the president. We are killing the Patriots.

And this is back before, like, talking to the cam. Like now we see players always talking to the camera on the sideline or before a game, pregame, post game. like Shannon Sharp was an innovator of a lot of that. Like when you'd see the guys warming up and the warmups and stuff, he'd always engage the camera, like, and let you know he's about to run up all over your ass in the game that week

and start talking to the fans. He's fucking crazy. He is crazy. I mean, he has wide receiver bill because I think he was drafted as a wide receiver as well. Was he? Yeah, he was. And then he put on some weight.

Obviously, you got to put on weight if you're drafted as a wide receiver. Went to the tight end position. but that kind of explains why he was such a great route runner because he was a receiver coming into the NFL. And that kind of explains why he's so jacked as well because he had that skinny frame and then he had to hit the weights hard. There's no doubt about it.

He has like this downhill speed. Like when he gets going, he catches that ball, he's gone. Gone when he catches, he's gone. He was at letting his hell. He's a freak. Run by, yeah, he is a freak. There's no doubt about that. He's low-key kind of a freak.

I don't even think we got a debate at the end. I think he's a freak no matter what. Well, we know he's a freaking them. Yeah, it is. I mean, that Instagram live, back to the Instagram live real quick. You think it was set up. I mean, I mean, to get into Instagram live, you have to open up your phone. Your face has to be recognized.

You got to put your password and then you got to hit Instagram. Then you got to hit like the story button. Then you got to move over to the right and hit Instagram Live. And then when you hit that, it says, are you sure you want to go live? And then you got to hit yes. I mean, I still think it's an accident. Is it inside job? It's an accident.

It was an accident. Was it a girl? Or was he live before? I don't know the story that well. And accidentally put his phone down. I'm not sure. But I mean, it was entertainment. I mean, I didn't listen.

He was getting the job done. I didn't listen either. What a hell of a career. One, what did he won? Three Super Bowls, two at the Broncos and John Elway in that late Bronco surge of John's career. And then he went to the Ravens and was part of that founding block of foundation for that organization. Him and Ray Lewis, like Ray was the guy that. the team and it was like always they always had like quarterbacks that weren't necessarily like

big name quarterbacks it was more of playing to the defense and you know the guy in the offense that was always represented with shannon sharp that's what i remember as a kid when you watch the ravens it was shannon sharp's team on the offense and that's that's crazy the crazy thing about shannon is his brother sterling and in the amount of respect he had for his brother who he had like a what he played how many years he played seven years in the league got with the neck injury, got cut short with the neck injury, was like, tearing up everything, was all pro five times, led the NFL in receptions, a few, three years. And it was really cool to hear when Shannon got inducted to the Hall of Fame that he would be the only guy up there in the

Hall of Fame that had a brother that was better than him. He said something along those lines. I'm paraphrasing. So you have to give a shout out to Sterling. And he was really good on TV back in the two. I remember a shout out to Sterling as well. because actually I didn't know any of this has ever occurred. I didn't know that Shannon had a brother. He was a monster package. That played in the NFL that thank you for the facts, jewels, thank you for the knowledge.

We're always here to learn. That was pretty cool that you know more about a tight end than, you know, I know about a tight end. So that was cool. It's pretty cool to hear the brother brother. It is. Like he had an older brother. Like, do you have any of those stories where your older brother,

like punked you into? Of course. That's why I also think it was really cool that you shared that story because I got three older brothers and one younger brother played on their teams growing up, played same football teams in high school and college. And didn't remember Dan was on our team. Yeah.

The New England Patriots for a little bit. Yeah, big piece. He does have a big piece. It's dark as well. Yeah. So it's like a double whammy big piece. Double whammy big piece. Yeah, it's tan, I guess.

I don't know. That's what I've heard. That's what his wife told me. Here is brother. You've definitely seen his dick. No, no, he's never shown me. No. I was making fun of him one time and then his wife came in like, well, he has a bigger and darker

dick than you. And I was like, well, I know that, but I'm going to keep making fun of him. Like, I already know that. That's why I am making fun of him so I can make myself go. Okay, back to Shannon Sharp, who has a sharp piece. Cool. Why are we all, Jules, why are we talking about this stuff? I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, this is dude talk, though. This is dudes on dudes. Like, this is so great. Because whenever we get off, you know, subject and topic and everything, we can always just blame it on the name of the show. It's, dude's just being dudes. And no lie, that's what dudes do, man.

Dudes talk about, it's weird. Why do dudes talk about piece sizes so much, like, when it's just the dudes, like, on the couch, watching the game? I don't think. Why is that? I don't know. It always comes back to that. It's weird.

Mono e. Mono. Mm-hmm. Fourth leg. The greatest trash talker of all time. I was watching him on the whatever NFL, one of those NFL shows, top 100 shows, wherever I had the NFL channel on. And someone told Shannon Sharp before,

don't quote me exactly, it's just along these lines. They said, hey, Shannon, you want to be famous, you want to be well known, then don't block. And Shannon Sharp took that to heart. And he went out there and goes, I'm going to go out there and catch passes. I'm going to go out there and I'm going to be well known. I'm going to be famous.

And I'm going to catch passes, score, touchdowns, and get first downs. and that's sure what he did. But he wasn't that bad of a blocker either. He went out there, he got it done. He's kind of one of the first tight ends to revolutionize the tight end position as well and to open up in offense at the tight end position. And he's kind of more of a hback titan as well, kind of shorter, more stockier. And he got the job done.

He could run. He runs like a deer. He was, I mean, he didn't have all those stats for not being great. I mean, he's a monster. Did you ever watch that Kat Williams interview? No, I haven't, but I didn't either, but I just remember the hype of that whole thing. That's what, that's what happened, what Kat Williams went on like a three-hour rant? I feel like Shannon would be a great time to hang out with, like back in the day when he was your teammate and you went out to the club with him.

He would be a freaking great thing. He would go up and talk to any girl, I bet. He just talks trash 24-7. He would go up. He'd be in the club talking to like eight girls at once talking garbage about his teammates are hyping you up like. He'd probably hype you up. He'd be hyping you up. You're hyping you up.

Yo, you see my boy over there? You see my boy over there? You see that touchdown he had? You see that? He needs a girl like you tonight. He needs a back massage. He needs some relaxation. We need him ready for next week.

Can you please go over there and just sit on his lap? I'm telling him a good looking guy. I see, I've seen him in the shower too before I'm telling he's looking at him. He's looking at him right over there. Yeah, ultimate hype guy, but I bet you'd be like that. But you probably hate playing against him. Like, we never played against him. you probably hate playing against Shannon Sharp just because of A, his production, how good he was,

and B, he let you know how good he was. Most ripped tight end of all time, too. He's got, he's up there. Oh, up there. He is the most ripped. Look at him. He's fucking jack. Jack, biceps freaking sticking out.

He loved at Hennessy. I see, I've seen him drinking Hennessy. Is it a bunch, right? There's always pictures. I swear he'll be working out. I don't know what it is, but this guy, I don't know how he can drink that alcohol and look that great. God touched him because he, he's fucking a monster in a great way.

Who were some of the best trash talkers you played against? Oh, Troutesoggs. He was great. T. Cizzle? Yeah, T. Cissel. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does.

T Cizzle was great, man. He was a scary player as well. He was massive. T. Cissel loved to talk garbage. What did he say to you? I mean, it was so long ago. Yeah. Yeah, it was so long ago.

You like, fuck you, grown? Yeah. Like, just shit like that. I'm like, I'm gonna kill you. No, no, he loved. He loved the talk like over the line and over me and just direct it right to Brady. Did he? Always, always, man.

He was just directing it right to Tom every single game. And then I'd be in front of him. You ain't touching Tom. I'm here. I'm chipping your ass. You ain't getting to him. Yeah. But I would never talk garbage back really to him because he was scary too.

Yeah, he was scary. Yeah. T-sizzle. I don't know. Bart Scott said, fuck you to Billy O's. Remember that in the playoff game? Yeah,

Bart Scott. Bart Scott. I remember when Bart Scott went up, right? He was three inches from Billy O'Brien's face and said, fuck you, White boy. And Billy O's T-Kettle, he goes,

Fuck you, Bart! I love him, Billy O yells, man. I always got me excited and always got me going. Oh, they beat our ass that game. That was when we were 14 and 2. Yeah, they did. They beat our ass in that division game.

Fucking Jets. We should have never lost that freaking. What was it? What was the Bart Scott's thing? Can't wait. Can't wait. Can't wait to lose the next game. Ten minutes is up.

All right. What kind of dude is Shannon Sharp? I mean, freak. Absolutely freak. He's a freak in the weight room. Freak on the field. Freaking the sheets. Just freak on the undisputed show.

Freak on serious radio when he was on. He's been a freak his whole life. He's freaky. He's freaky. freaky, freaky. He's also, he can be dog. Oh, a little bit. But he's more of a freak.

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Ooh, and what's the first thing you think of, Jules, when you hear the name Chad Ocho Sinkgo Johnson? The first thing I think of, one of the wildest card moments or wildest moves ever, it was we drafted or we traded for Chad, and we went into the, we were installing the offense. And during installation, Chad O'Shea, our coach, you know Chattieo? Yes, he goes, all right, guys, we got everything.

It's all good. You know, just don't be seen. I'm going to let you out of meetings early. Don't be seen. We still have a team meeting. Don't be seen. We have a team meeting. So clear this up.

You got a lot out of meetings early, but we have a team meeting still? We still had a meeting after. We had like an hour and a half for a meeting until the next meeting. But Chad had to get some shit done. All right. We got everything installed. We had a pretty smart room. And so he let us out early.

Well, Chad thought it was smart. And this is Chad's like first couple weeks there. He thought it would be smart to leave the facility and on the way out, poke his head into Bill's office and asked if he wanted anything from Starbucks. And so. That's wild. That is. what did he think it meant to not be seen?

Like to not go on Twitter? To not post a picture online. I think he was just new and he's still trying to be friendly in the whole thing. But like it was a total accident. Total accident. And then, you know, the next time we had a receiver meeting in the room, O'Shea was like fucking, he got ripped a new asshole because, you know, what are you doing, let guys out early, this, that.

It just was a whole thing. just a wild, like he didn't, he didn't understand, but that's what I thought of, like, man, Chad's crazy. The whole kiss the baby thing, the whole, it's real. He just, he just goes off of what he feels. Off of his instincts. What do you think of when you think of Ocho? Well, first off, the name change. You got to love it.

He was one of the most entertaining players, you know, in our generation while we were growing up. Yeah, for sure. Cincinnati Bengals, that's for sure. I truly believe he's a Bengal for life. He played for a couple other teams after, but 100. percent bangled for life. He kind of put that wide receiver, you know, position on the map in that era that continued the street going, uh, of, you know, of being kind of, you know, spontaneous, entertaining. Entertaining. A little bit of drama as well, but also so good at the game of football

that he can pull it off and, you know, not be a problem child at all. In some cases, I would say possibly, but just overall he was so good at the game of football. He was so, quick that he could pull off all that dancing that he was doing. He can pull off all that trash talk that he was doing. He could pull off all those antics off the field during the offseason that he was doing going, you know, playing soccer with the MLS teams, kicking extra points as well during the preseason games. I mean, this guy had talent and he had so much talent that he could be a wild card dude whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that he had. And you got to appreciate that as well because it's just cool, man, to see just someone

him be themselves. That's who he is, you know. It's not like he was doing it for a show, which it was a show, but he was truly doing it because that's just how he was born. And you got to respect that aspect of his game and of who he is. He was like the first guy with a million followers on Twitter

in the NFL, I think. Tom absolutely hated that he was on Twitter because he was Mr. Twitter. He had like 3 million followers. The second highest person was like 200,000 in the NFL. And this is in 2012. He got traded to the new Patriots and he's always on Twitter still

and Tom and Coach Balochek where just always grilling him like oh get off freaking Twitter get off Twitter doesn't help you in the game of football but it never really like really I would say what am I trying to say affected his game. Twitter was just

back then they just acted like it did you know. Yeah but we just did things differently in New England and he didn't he didn't comply to it. The funniest point is where I'm getting to is now Tom is Mr. Instagram and Mr. Twitter now. And so like, or Mr. X.

So that was the point I was getting to. Tom is Mr. X. Well, another thing, it was always known that he loved McDonald's. Mm-hmm. What's your take on that? I mean, that's kind of freaky that you could just eat McDonald's and still do that. He had McDonald's for most of his career and he also said it helped his body like callous for football. Yeah.

I guess. I mean, there's only one guy that could possibly do this. there's a lot of players that sometimes, you know, not sometimes eat fast food, but I'm talking like Chad did it on a daily basis, breakfast, lunch, dinner. And I saw him. He went to that corner store right on Route 1 right next to Gillette's Stadium. There's a McDonald's there. Yeah, it's the half. It's half in the, uh, McDonald's half liquor store thing. He would go there and he's always in the drive-thru. And I saw him one time he pulled up and he was eating the, uh, the fish filet sandwich. I like the fish fillet though. What's your favorite thing at McDonald's? Uh, the coffee,

bro. You like the coffee there? They got legit coffee there. I don't really eat McDonald's. If I do, I get a double cheeseburger and I just take the patties off of the bread and I just eat the hamburger patties with the cheese on me and just smash them. I mean, I think it's safe to just eat the meat, you know. What about the McGrittle?

Oh, breakfast. They got legit breakfast. Sausage and tea. The pancakes? Oh, the pancakes are on fire. So I'm a breakfast guy at McDonald's. Yeah. I'm not going to really eat, you know, their lunch or dinner.

No Big Mac? No Big Mac. Mac. Like if I do get the Big Mac, like I said, I'm just eating the patties only. But it's just impressive, though, Chad ate that McDonald's every single day. Every single day. His body was just a machine. I mean, I guess if you get used to it, your mind is just going to know what to do with that type of, you know, nutrition. So hats off to Ocho Cinco. He's crazy. He would like race animal. Didn't he race a horse? He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone. Chad is so, what? Do you think you can beat a horse in a race? No, no chance.

I mean, would you ever race a horse? No chance. A horse and I have one thing in common, Jules, and I'm not going to tell you what it is. Just use your wild imagination. I get I understand. Thank you. I understand.

Thank you. Well, he raced a horse for a charity. Feed the children. He had a hundred meter start, and he beat the horse, which, you know, props to him. He's silly. Always just doing silly things, man. He did silly things.

But people like, when we were playing, he had elite feet. Like his footwork was quicker than anyone I knew. And we caught him on the tail end of his career and he still had some really insanely quick feet. Meaning he could get in and out of breaks for how tall he was at 6'1. He was a real, he was a skinnier guy. But usually when you're 6'1, it's harder for you to get in and out of breaks. But you watch his comebacks, his, his releases, like he was always the separation king at the top of route, at the beginning

of route. He was an elite receiver. Now, with all the antics and stuff, we all remember him that because that's probably because he didn't win. But he was a fucking elite receiver that had a lot of production for a long time in this league. He was so quick. He had the best releases in the game as well.

And like you said, I think he was the quickest play. He had the quickest feet in the game of football. It was like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, bum. He would go side to side with it as well. So I'm sure he's a great line dancer as well. He won dancing with the stars. Did he? Fourth?

Came in fourth. All right. There's one thing that's always certain, he said, and that's death, taxes, and 85 going to always be open. Always open. You got to love him for that. And he was always open. Besides when he got to New England,

he was struggling a little bit there. Why do you think he struggled? I just think he struggled because, you know, just a complicity of the of the playbook a little bit. I feel like he had the freelance to do whatever he wanted to do in Cincinnati. And then when he got to New England, it was more of a structure. Like, this is what you got to do. This is how you get open.

It's not like you're going to be able to just freelance to play backyard football. I feel like he played backyard football a little bit more with the Cincinnati Bengals. Tom wanted it like that, but possibly he wanted to do it like that. But he couldn't do it like that because Tom wanted it like that. I mean, it just didn't really work out to the T that. You know, we wanted it to. Obviously what Coach Belichick wanted it to and as teammates as well. But there's one thing, though, that we know.

We got blessed with the presence of Chad Ocho Cinco for that whole entire year. And that's what is more important is just to be around a great dude and just to see, you know, how he carried himself to, just one of the greatest wide receivers of the game. Do you have any stories about Chad? We went out to dinner, actually, during training camp. And he was just a great character, man. He always got the waitress wound up. up you know he got her wound up cracking jokes like you know where'd you guys go we went uh toby keith bar and grill right there at patriot place and he would be flirting and then the waitress would be flirting

back with us and like you're just such an awe because we were such young bucks and just how he was so spontaneous and so quick with his game like his the way he would speak and talk and have game it was like his feet were running his mouth like blah blah blah boom just that quick you know and then what's so great about it is like he would leave her hanging though because he would give like an outrageous tip to her and then like didn't leave his number or anything like he would get the you know he would get the waitress going he just he just he's just outgoing he just likes to just he likes to push people's buttons i think exactly give her an outrageous tip and then we all just leave and the wait wait where did he go like oh i didn't get his number

or anything but he would just bounce then chad was so fun it was fun also could kick he had a big soccer background and i think that's probably what helped him with such great feet quick feet that he had. I mean, I remember Cincinnati, their kicker got hurt. He kicked a field goal. He kicked a couple field goal. I think he kicked a 30-yarder. He played in soccer leagues. I think he tried to play in a professional league at one point. He tried out for the Kansas City MLS team during the 2011 NFL lockout. And while he was trying to do that, I was doing my wild, wild dude shit, jewels. I was at the University of Arizona during that lockout. And I was at the pool parties dancing up on the stage and everything at the pool parties.

I was freaking pounding beers and everyone was like, oh, you're going to be in big trouble by Coach Belichick after the lockout. But what did I do? I showed up and I was just as wild out on that football field and training camp, baby. That was my favorite offseason was after my rookie year because we didn't have to go in at all. At all. And I got to be wild as possible because I had a little bit of money. I was 21 years old and I was just running around college campuses just being an absolute wild maniac.

It was the greatest offseason of my career, no doubt about that. What did you do during the lockout, Jules? I just told you what I was doing. I actually took a couple classes at Kent. I was in L.A., trained out here. Didn't we have like a fucking, we had like a couple team practices at B.C. During the lockout, remember that? When Brady called a couple.

We did. We had about three practices at B.C. That was really cool. That just shows the leadership of time, just how wild of a leader he was Tom wasn't a wild car. He was a wild leader. And that just shows, you know, why he's, you know, one of the, actually the greatest player to play.

Could Chad kick the field goal kick of Destiny for that you do everywhere? Yeah, 100%. So easy. Yeah. He kicked an extra point in a preseason game, which that's a lot harder than kicking the kick of destiny. I mean, I don't have a line. No one snapping it.

The ball's just sitting there on a tee for you. And it's easy. Just a layup. And freaking, I miss twice. So Chad Ocho Cinco, I actually need you for the kick of destiny. I'm actually not doing it this year, but in the future, I'll possibly be doing it again. So I want Chad Ocho Cinco as my coach or my replacement for the kick of destiny. Now, how far is the kick of destiny?

Oh, 25 yards. So it's 25 yards. I was kicking it on the 15 yard line. And so how far do you think they would have to handicap? Chad's kick because he can kick it better. So we'd have to bring. I would say he would have to kick a 40 yarder. A 40?

I think he got 40 easy though. I mean, but no, he does have 40 easy, but that's the point. I've missed the last two years. So we need someone to make it now. Okay. And we want him to make it as well for the fans out there and for fan duel and for just the kick of destiny. But what about his T.D. celebrations as well.

He was one of the best in the game. He wore the gold jacket that said, future Hall of Fame 2000 with two question marks as a post touchdown celebration. How about the cheerleader proposal? I actually got to take some tips from you because I'm now dating the cheerleader. I've been Chad El-Jocenko. So you proposed in the first freaking four seconds you met her, which is pretty impressive. So call me up.

I need some tips, brother. And then he was putting the football like a damn golf ball as well when he took some pie. Did you do that ever? I never done that, man. My craziest TD celebration was just spiking the ball. or actually when I was, you know, the one in London as well, when I did the booty shaking. Yeah. That was pretty impressive.

And you did, though, the soldier. I did, yeah, the soldier of guarding the Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace, walk. Yes. Yeah, now he, remember he, didn't he, he took the camera once and was filming. This was like the full generation of overly celebrated, crazy, get your popcorn ready celebrations by receipts. I remember like Joe Horn, he was taking cell phones out. You got Chad doing everything Chad's doing.

T.O. and his celebrations. I mean, just this was like the era where they were getting fine. They were, they were getting penalized for it too. They didn't give a, they didn't care. But it was still fun. You know, that was the no fun league at the time. It was. I remember that when everyone was translating NFL as to be the no fun league.

Because they kept finding Ocho Cinco and all the other. guys that were being entertaining, you know, to the, to the fans. James Harrison or Ocho Cinco, they're fighting here soon. Super Bowl weekend, MMA style. Who are you going with? It's MMA style. I'm going with, obviously, James Harrison. The thing is that this is how crazy Chad is.

Why the fuck are you fighting James Harrison, who I think he knocked him out of a game once. James Harrison is a freak of nature. going to get a hold of Ocho Cinco and just break them in half. Does Ocho think that he's going to box him? Ocho Cinco is going to have, yeah. Boxing is different stories. He can be, he can be quicker. This is M.M.A. now. This is M.M.A. style.

Like, James can put his hands on him and do whatever he wants to do to him. James plays volleyball with like 80-pound balls. Remember when he throws it over the thing? Yeah, he does. So you know he can catch motherfuckers. Yeah, Ocho Cinco is wild. He's wild. I love it, though. Keep being wild, Ocho.

Time. Let's go. What kind of dude is. Chad Ocho Sinko, ladies and gentlemen. What kind of dude is Chad Ocho? Come on now. I wouldn't really say freak. I mean, his feet were freaky, freaky feet.

Yes. Dudes dude. Yeah, he was, man. He was all about the guys. He was. Brought us out the dinner. Yeah, he always invited us in New England, invited everyone around.

He was a dude, no doubt about that. Whiz? I wouldn't really go that far because like I said, I think he struggled with our playbook a little bit. A little bit. So did I. I didn't even play. my rookie year because I didn't know our playbook.

It's very... It's tough. It's a very tough playbook. He's got a dog in him too. I mean, he don't care. He'll freaking challenge anything, anyone to anything. I mean, race to horse, he'll box you. He doesn't care.

But I think he's, I think he's a stud. I think he's a stud as well. I feel like that's... The feet. You know, we're going to pinpoint him. He's doing off the field now. He's just, he's a lovable guy. But he was always...

he always had a, he's a stud to me. Mm-hmm. He is a stud. I mean, just the way, you know, he presented himself on the field and off the field. That's when you know you're studly, you know? Yeah. He was so fast and he was such a stud that he had to race a horse. Because horses are studs.

So that makes Chad Ocho Cinco a stud. A stud keeps the girl waiting at the bar. Yes. Like he did. Yes. Knows that, you know, he could have probably took the little, lady on a date. But just did it just to, I don't know.

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