Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on the AFC

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

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Well, I'm excited for the Bengals and Joe Burrow. I want to see him dice it up. He kind of reminds me of Tom. Yeah. Does he not? Even the way he throws the ball sometimes, he looks like young athletic Tom. He's so over the top and he's, he's, is mechanical. We're right on the same page.

Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes talk about their favorite dudes. And today, we're going division by division to preview the AFC. We're talking. How great Tyler Warren is looking. The importance of starting fast.

And also, Joe Burrow looking like a young Tom Brady. And then we wrap it up by making some award predictions for the 2025 season and the chillest dude of the week presented by Cores Light. Dudes on Dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. I got to call Terry. Terry just text me. Uncle Terry.

Well, I didn't get to say hello to you at the seminar. We were busy. You were busy. I saw you one time and I meant to come sit, come over and say hi to you and check up on you, but I didn't make it. So I hope you're doing well. Tammy and I are in Hawaii with our friends and family for three weeks before we had to go back to work. So I hope you're doing well, buddy.

And I'll see you in three weeks or four weeks or whatever. Terry's a good guy, man. I love Uncle Terry. He really is, man. He checks on all the talent. He checks on all his coworkers. He's a great dude, man. And what was so awesome about Terry Bradshaw's, he goes on these like tours and he sings and cracks jokes.

And he's all over the country doing it. And he sells out, he talks about how he sells all the arenas that are 80,000 people. But I think it's more like 8,000 people, which is still pretty legit. And my dad went to the one in Buffalo two weekends ago. And he said Terry puts on a hell of his show. He's very entertaining. He took care of my dad as well. He takes care of his people and he cares about his people.

So Terry Bradshaw's an absolute man. he's a legend dude terry bradshaw sells out branson missouri every year that's like his main show well he's from around there how cool is it literally we're just we're doing our show i get a text message from uncle terry mm-hmm that's that's just so always checking up on his boys always It doesn't matter if it's the young bucks or if it's the guys that he played with from the freaking 50s or 60s or 70s. And he's just a good dude overall. He really is.

I love to hear because this guy has been through so much as well and nothing keeps him down. He just keeps going. He has a motor. He just fills up his gas tank with diesel every day. And he just goes until that tank's empty. And then the next day he fills it right back up and he just goes. So love him. Love his energy.

Love his energy. So let's jump into this. What do we got going? We're here with another dudes on dudes. We are back, Julian. We have a couple headlines out there that we're just going to, you know, scroll through real quick, give our two cents. And this has happened to me before.

Let's get on this, you know, when OBJ's friends or family or himself got duped by the fake Adam Shepter Twitter slash X account. And who has this not happened to before? Twitter is dangerous now these days because of this new AI stuff and these fake accounts that feel like it's the exact person that they're imitating. And his friends and family or whoever were texting them like, congratulations on retirement, but he never even retired because everyone was following for it on the fake account. It's happened to me before, but I never actually responded to the account. I did my research and I was like, holy shit, this new AI shit that's going on is dangerous because anyone can say anything and it looks so real that you can fall for it.

1,000%. What, uh, what did you get duped on? Do you remember? Nah, I don't really remember. It's, it's kind of driving me crazy right now because I know I got duped by it before and I'm so glad I didn't respond or anything, but I have gotten duped. It was about a year ago, but I can't remember exactly what it was. I got someone do me like maybe a few months ago

where like all of a sudden people from Boston were texting me like are you coming to coach are you coming back to coach? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh my gosh Julian. Are you kidding me with that one? Because four to five different people hit me up saying is Julian Edelman coaching for the New England Patriots? And then that's what I asked your assistant.

I call them up. I was like, yo, Sam, is Julian? coaching for the Patriots. He's like, not that I know of like, I think he like talked to a couple of the players, but everyone got dup by that. That's a good situation right there that you just brought up. I got dup. But bringing this back to OBJ, OBJ is 32. Is he on a team? No, he's not on a team right now. That could be a good situation though. He could like fall into a team that like is viable at the end. He's if he stays in shape, pick up a ring. He could. It would have to be the right situation. I would say that, you know, the team would probably have to have like a solid, you know, one, two,

and then it drops off from there. And he would come in as being like a, you know, a contender at number three who can make some big plays when needed. He's not going to be a number one guy, being a number two, not really, but to be a three and help out when a big plays needed there and there, I think he possibly has that in him still. So it needs to be a team, maybe like Pittsburgh or something. I mean, they got rid of George Pickens. You got D.K. Metcalf. You got a nice, you know, tight end combination as well.

Maybe you just bring an OBJ to complete it off with the targets for Aaron Rogers. That could be a situation right there. Yeah, I think he could be a situational player for sure. You put him in third down red area. If he's healthy, I mean, he didn't forget how to play football. Mm-mm. you know and he's he's he was elitely explosive as a younger guy so even if he's 85% of what he was that's still explosive he is explosive player he is and if he still keeps that explosiveness he's

got great hands he's got big great hands he could you know he could be a target in the red area where he you know he he's got those kind of longy arms you know what I mean where he could just PAP, beep. Well, did you see the other headline, Julian? Michael Phelps helping the Ravens players learn to swim. I don't really know how that's going to relate to, you know, being a football player. But the only thing I was possibly thinking is like you're activating your core while you're swimming. And it's a full body workout.

And swimming is really good for recovery as well. So if they learn how to swim, maybe that's just another tool on how to recover. But also Michael Phelps is from the Baltimore area. He's a Baltimore Ravens fan. So it kind of makes sense. Maybe some team camaraderie as well and bringing the team together. It's Phelps, one of the most decorated Olympics, Olympic gold medalists of all times for the United States of America's swim team. So it can bring the team together, especially with Phelps being there, showing them, you know, the winning ways and what it takes.

What do you think about that? Do you see that relating to football at all? or is it bringing the team together? No, I'm just, I just keep on looking at the pool and put in my head. What if like baby gronk, like grew up a swimmer? You'd be a fucking long ass swimmer.

Like, and then what, what would your best stroke be? Oh, my best stroke. Like, I can see you, like,

you're fucking long. I know that he's like long armed and short-legged, which makes him like super, like flipper. But like, I always remember tall, like you, I could just see you being a pool guy, like a water pole. I just, that's what I was thinking about. You know, I'm a breaststroke guy, Jules.

You know I am. Yeah. It's just the most simple, right to the point, you know, I got the big arms, you know, so big, nice breaststroke is right up my alley. And it's kind of like my stride. Like when I'm walking, I'm always like three feet ahead of, ahead of everybody because my stride is just so vicious. viciously long. So it's kind of like me in a swimming pool. If I got the right form down, I got the right technique, I got the power behind it. I would just have an advantage because my

stride would just be of the breaststroke would just be, whoop, gliding through the water and just floating. Big old mitts too, like flippers and his big old feet. You know, I saw this whole thing. I think the Ravens put out a social media thing. Like it was kind of a funny little piece of content where they like, hey, Michael Phelps, one in three Ravens don't know how to swim. And like, they basically asked them to come help them, which I think this is a win for everyone. It's a win for the Baltimore Ravens because they're getting to, you know, what's the one thing they've, they've been struggling with? Winning the big one. Winning the big one. Winning in the big one, winning in the playoffs. And to have someone who knows so much about winning, I mean, Michael

Phelps' most decorated freaking gold medalist, medallist guy in the history of all the Olympics. 23-time Olympic medalists. And that's a great point you're making. I think this is just a slam dunk for everyone. And I remember we used to have, you know, very successful people come in and talk to us just because you want to show younger players, older players, mix things up for, show what winning is in different facets, because it always comes back to the same. thing. Mm-hmm. Work.

Jokers are just working. You know what I mean? And the relentlessness of being obsessed with your preparation. So this is tight. You ever meet Phelps? I never met. I never met Phelps in my life. I feel like he would be a really cool dude to meet.

I feel like we would get along. But just never met him. And hopefully one day I get to. I mean, he's a 23-time Olympic medalist. And it would just be an honor and pleasure to meet such a champion in life. And Jules, that's a great point that you brought up, the Baltimore Ravens last year. I truly believe they were a way better team than the Buffalo Bills, and they blew them out in the regular season and showed that they were a better team. But they just couldn't close in the playoffs, just like any other year, besides the one year that they won the Super Bowl in, like, 2012, and Joe Flacko was the quarterback.

But recently, they've been having great teams and they just can't win the big game. So it does make sense to bring in Michael Phelps, who knows how to close and win on the big. moment on the biggest stage when it's time and when your numbers called. So let's see if this works out. We'll see in the end because the Ravens have a good team. And you know they're going to be back in the playoffs whenever Lamar Jackson's going to the quarterback. Oh, yeah.

It's just about for them to be, they just got to stay healthy and continue to improve their team weekly to get ready for the playoffs. That's, I mean, that's where they're at in their standard of play now. it's them the Kansas cities the Philadelphia's they're all just learning their team this first eight weeks just to get themselves ready stay healthy continue to improve their team to get themselves ready for that December January foot Hey hey jules what kind of dude do you think Michael Phelps is hurry you just quick answer and one at one point one one reason why he's that type of dude i think he's chill i mean i remember him smoking bongs and shit shit. I mean, I would love to hang out with him. He'd probably be so cool. I took a picture with

him and Steph Curry at the Espies once years ago. I forgot what year it was, but I just think he's he's a cool dude. He works his ass off. He probably smokes a little devil's lettuce every once in while. He's all about like his health and fitness with like these freaking what he's got, like a coal plunge. I think he owns like a coal plunge company, which I think looks badass. I looked into buying so shout out Michael Phelps or someone over. I would love to test out. Big Michael Phelps fan. I met like what kind of dude is he in dudes. Oh, is he a dog? Oh, geez. Is he a dude? Is he a, is he a, he's a freak. Okay. He's a fucking freak. He is a freak. You see those, bro, those traps? It's not that.

They said, uh, I got, I got, I got, I got cut out of it. I was in that picture. I was in that picture. Dang, look at Steph Curry right there, man. He looks like a kid kid. Like he's in high school in that picture. And he was draining threes on everybody in the NBA at that time. This is probably 2014, 15. Yeah, I got cut out of that picture. Thanks.

Thanks, Phelps. Sorry, Jules. Well, they are two legends. I would never cut you out of a pitcher. They're two like all-time grades. I get it. You're an all-time grade. You're a freaking playoff, Jules.

You're the greatest playoff player of all times. Oh, there it is. Did you cut me off or did they cut it off? Oh. Yeah, they cut it off. There you are, Jules. Look at you. Looking like a stud with that hair.

You got Michael Phelps hair. Just the three of us. You can do it if you try. Guess not. Three musketeers. All right, let's get into another. Let's get into another headline. How about this Travis Kelsey GQ stuff?

Travis Kelsey spoke on his 2024 production drop in a new GQ interview. He was honest, said his focus on football might have slipped a little in the last few years, got a little too caught up with acting and entertainment. What do you think about his honesty, Rob? You know, you got to appreciate the honesty. And I totally understand that. I mean, there's a couple times in my career where it was hard to say no to things. And that's how I got the confidence to say no to people because at one point, you know, while I was playing football, I noticed that I was doing too many things outside of the game of football. And it was hindering my play. It was hindering my workouts. It was hindering my practices. And I knew that I needed to cut

it back. So I totally understand. But when you commit to something, you've got to do it. And then, you know, you're just jammed up. So after I got jammed up with a lot of things, doing a lot of things off the field, whatever it is, appearances, going on a show. I knew, hey, it's time that I got to start saying no, you know, football is what matters most. Football is what's going to get me to the point that I want to get to, to where it's going to be available after the game of football. So I understand what Travis is saying. And I appreciate and we all appreciate his honesty.

And as you can tell from this offseason as well, it seems like it was all football. Yeah, he's dating the big. pop star in the world. So they're always going to be in the media if they're going out to dinner or whatever they're doing going out to lunch or the coffee shop. But that's nothing. Overall, it wasn't like he was out at parties, doing all that stuff. It seemed like he was actually truly focused.

And his word is his word. And he was actually living, you know, behind it. It's tough. I mean, he's like the most popular dude in the world. Mm-hmm. And out of football. He's probably the most, he's the most famous football player. right now. And it's crazy because it's never not been a quarterback.

Actually, nah, you think about it. Obj was pretty famous for not being a quarterback. But this is on different light. This is like when Tom was with Giselle back in the day when Giselle was like the big one, like the biggest pop or model in the world. This is like some crazy stuff. I don't know. With what he did the last couple years, he set himself up for when football's over. So he's probably realizing that it's closer to the end than it is the beginning. And he wants to really enjoy the last bit of football. That is well. And he's set up for after football as well. There's no doubt about that. He doesn't really need to do anything off the field. But if he didn't focus, like that's what I mean. If he didn't focus like he said a little too much on acting and entertainment,

entertainment's his podcast, this, that. I mean, maybe he wouldn't be where he's at right now. Mm-hmm. That's a good point as well. You know what I mean? So like everything happens. It happens for a reason. Yeah. I mean, you can't just do football your whole entire career either. I mean, 24-7, 365 days out of the year. Like, unless if you're an absolute maniac like Coach Belichick, he's the only one that sleeps and breathes football at all the times.

But like as a player. Well, not anymore. Well, at UNC he is, not during the summer. But, you know, once football season starts, he's in training camp, I'm sure it's just all football. And once the season has. But like, you got to be able to expand your brand. You have time.

You want to be able to, pursue other opportunities. You just know when it's time to stop pursuing those other opportunities and when you've got to just focus on football. And I think he realized that. And I think that's what he did this year because then he realized, all right, I've already done enough of those opportunities. It's all going to be there after I'm done playing football. And also, he's a tight end. So I want to shout out, Travis, for representing tight ends, baby and keep putting them on the map because Titans never got the love that they deserve throughout the decades. And now they're getting a lot of love through George Kittal, Travis Kelsey, Brock Bowers.

Brock Bowers. How about that makeover? Oh, that makeover. Guy looks like he's, he's 40 years, a 40 year old killer. Oh my God. This guy looks, now he looks like a fucking tight end. He does. He's perfect for the, uh, for the Raiders.

Bro, he looks like the Raiders tight end. He could have played for them in the freaking 1980s on. those teams. All he needs is a goatee. You got a skimball head. This dude, he's Mr. Clean with that thing. He's going to have a commercial suit just freaking clean. Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean. Looking like Mr. Mean. He's also Mr. Lean. And he's also a machine. There you go, Rob. Eminem's finest, right? Those that's Eminemesque lyrics. Lastly, you did GQ. Yeah, I did GQ back in the day. I did GQ. I did a thing with GQ.

I didn't have like a main spread. What was great was like GQ's like, all right, how can we fit Gronk into GQ? Because this guy just wears no shirt every day. He really doesn't wear anything designer. He wears his, you know, the shorts that the Patriots hand out. He's wearing just free gear. So how do we, because GQ, you got to have style. I didn't really have style.

But they managed to find a way for me to get on the cover, which was really cool. It was a great photo shoot. And shout out to GQ. you know, doing big things still. Shout out to GQ. Having Julian in it. Tom was on GQ. You know,

just shout out to GQ for representing athletes because it's more of a brand for, you know, like celebrities that are actors and models. But shout out to GQ for keeping the athletes going as well and putting us on the covers. Look at that, Jules. Look at me. Made a money.

$100 bill towel going across me. Abs were popping. The gronks spikes were in full effect. look at the Jack Diesel back in those days man looking turned up

turned up baby old Robbie G no old Robbie G we didn't chirp you for this did we nah you guys didn't chirp me for this but I got churped by coach Belchick before because we all thought he was to that he's cool fuck I was looking cool you can't chirp a cool guy Jules all right

but I got chirped by coach Belchick when I did the ESPN cover when I had the kitty cats on my shoulder. What, what Bill say? We're warming up in practice. I'm trying. He goes, oh, looking good with those kitty cats. It's all about the covers of ESPN and having cats as pets. It was right along those lines.

But I was like, coach, I'm going to dominate today. He's like, okay, fine. You're good to go then. The whole kitty cat. Look at the Rob. Mm-hmm. Look at the young grits. Man, those were the days.

Those were the days. Those were the fun days, Jules. They really were, ma'am. All right, well, we got to give a live show update, August 28th at the MGM Music Hall in Boston. Mark your calendars. Everyone go to Ticketmaster.com. There's barely any tickets left, by the way. So hurry up and sell us out.

We're not sold out yet, but we're close to it. Yeah, everyone's been talking about the merch in the comments. We heard you guys. The merchandise will be at the live show. So get a ticket and come join the show. It's going to be popping. It's going to be 8 p.m. at night. It's going to be fun.

I think I'm going to party that night, Jules, just because it's a night show. Oh, snap. Yeah, I have a party in a while. I think we need to throw it back. I think I should throw a couple drinks back, hang out with the crowd, pour some shots out, take some Kores Light and do some Stone Cold Steve Austin's, chugs like I'm in the ring with some fans. we'll see what happens, Jules. Night show, Robbie G might bring his best.

Oh my God, I can't wait. I really can't. All right, let's talk about some football now. Well, we're going to go around the league, division by division, to take a look at the big storylines of each division and what we expect from each division. We're going to pick a winner, you know, who a breakout player may be, who the stars are, all that good stuff. So let's get into it, Jules.

Let's start off with the old AFC. We're starting off with our conference first, the AFC East and who are you most excited for Jules and the AFC East? It can be a guy on the Patriots, not a problem. It could be our team. I'm excited to see these bills, man. Really? The bills.

They spent $1.8 billion this off season on like guys that they've drafted. They just signed cooks. I know they're on hard knocks, so I'm getting the hard knocks hype. But like this is the first time you get like an inside look. how they prepare and Josh Allen like he's a monster they've been spending money I like the Shakir kid

I like the Coleman guy they got offense aligned they got a defense that plays you know bend but don't break they try not to break but you know I I'm excited the Bosa storyline being over there I think like

they got to go get one they got to go they got to they got to do some they got to do some stuff yep can't argue what anything you just said there, Jules, and me who I'm most excited for, I can't go with the same team that you pick. I'll be obviously, I'll put some points on a different team, but can't go with Miami. I mean, they just keep going downhill.

They were exciting like two years ago when they were on fire. And they just can't find any more rhythm. So that's not Miami. Same with the Jets. It's the Jets. I mean, there's really no excitement there besides like fields, but like I don't know, like just doesn't do it for me or anyone else. So I'm going to go with our team, the New England Patriots. We got year one of the Brable era.

Drake May is now the guy. Josh McDaniels is back as the OC who won all the championships with us, one of the best offensive coordinator in the game. You got Stefan Diggs Edition, who's bringing that sparkle back on the field and off the field, just bringing excitement all over the place, which just kind of reminds us of us being wild off the field, which he has been a little bit, and also looking dominant out at practices versus Minnesota Vikings.

And then we also got some notable draft picks and left tackle Will Campbell that everyone's loving. And running back, Trayvion Henderson, that everyone is raving about in training camp this year. So I'm excited. Hit a monster game for the New England Patriots, baby. Let's go. Give us a hot take, AFC East. Go. So speaking, I think we might be getting Will Campbell on dudes on dudes.

Yeah, I think we shall. I think he's going to come on. I would love to have Will Campbell on dudes on dudes. Well, come on, baby. So I'm really excited to see them too, but I didn't want to be a homer. And I really am excited to see, like, can the bills make this jump? And really, like, them, the Ravens, Ken the Bagel, Bengals, like, I want to see what the big dogs, the big quarterbacks can do. Like, Drake's got to, my hot take.

What's my hot take? my hot take is that the Jets are going to be better than the dolphins. Oh, that's a hot take. Yeah, yeah, that could be a solid hot take because the dolphins have been better. Is that a, that's a hot take? I just think, I like Aaron Glenn. I thought they were buttoned up in their preseason game. Justin Fields looked all right.

The defense you know is going to be playing lights out. They got a lot of ball. They got a lot of good ball players on defense. And Aaron Glenn knows how to call defense. So it's going to be like sloppy. I think they're going to look a lot. like the Steelers look last year with Justin Fields. You know, it'll be like very run dominant type team that plays the defense,

gets a couple takeovers, you know, has a really good defense, just not turn the ball over on offense. Justin Fields make a big play here and there. Like, I don't know. I just, I thought they looked button up. They played hard every, even though it was like twos on twos, threes on threes, fours on fours, like the talent of. the teams, they still, I felt like executed better.

And that's a, that's in a testament to having a good camp, I think. I'm going to go to the New England Patriots making the playoffs a year one under the variable era. Robbie's going. They're going to, they're not going to win the division. I think the bills are definitely going to win the vision. It's going to be, uh, it's going to be a wild card. Whatever happened to manage the expectation.

The wild card. It's just the expectations to make the playoffs as a wild card. They got $60 million in salary cap room because still. So I think they're going to make plays to upgrade the team when they figure out what type of team that they have and where the weak spots are throughout the beginning of the season. And they're going to make trades, sign some guys that they need long term as well. Do you think there's going to be a big trade in this off season? Not off season, but beginning of the season or before to trade that line. I think they will make a trade to a position where they need to upgrade it.

They got $60 million. Why wouldn't you do that? Who? I don't know. What would you trade for? Like I said, we still learning our team right now? Still learn the team. Evaluate, you know, the team in the first couple weeks. Where's their weakest spot and what trade can help them to make their team a better team and a suitor to make the playoffs?

I agree with you, man. That'll be awesome. All right. Who's going to win this division? I think the bills, I think they're just, you know, bearing health. they're just a well-running machine right now. They know how to win football games. Josh Allen's comfortable when it's when it's uncomfortable.

They've got playmakers that have all been in the same scheme now for a couple years. Like they're outside guys, the Coleman, the Shakir. They've developed into really good football players that have come on a great page with, that have gotten on a good page with Josh Allen. And then Cooks, I think he's dynamic. He just got paid. You know, they got a good team. It's just about that defense.

When you got Josh Allen in that offense, and when Joe Brady's calling it right, we're running the football, we're saving Josh when we need them, that's when good things happen. And they've been doing, they've learned that formula. So hopefully we'll see. Let's move on to the next division. We'll be right back after this quick break. All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half-truth is a whole lie.

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town. in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve,

this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeland. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my mind. problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to heavyweight on the I-heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. But what they find is not what they expected. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years. Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who, they dare to betray?

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. All right. Let's move to the AFC South. AFC South. What are you excited for? All right.

I'm most excited to see the type of juice, the type of improvement. C.J. Stroud and D. Emiko Ryans can bring to the table. They had great rookie years. They're both going into their third year, head coached to Miko Ryans and quarterback CJ Straub. Here's the thing. They had great rookie years and they had pretty solid second years.

But you really didn't see that jump of improvement from their rookie year to their second year. But they had unbelievable rookie years. So it was kind of hard to make that jump. But there's still room for an improvement where they can make that jump. So can they do that this year going into year three in the weakest division in football and dominate this division and that make a true impact in the playoffs? So that's what I'm looking for. That's what I'm looking towards.

And that's what I'm excited about because if CJ Stroud does take it to another level, he's going to be one of the most exciting and vicious quarterbacks in the NFL this year. And I'm hoping to see that happen because I'm a fan of his. Who's the offensive coordinator? Offensive coordinator. Oh shit. Shout out to Nick Cayley. He was my tight end coach for a couple years here in New England.

And he FaceTime calling me out of the blue a couple weeks ago, man. And Nick Cayley brings the absolute juice to the table every single day on a daily basis. He loves the game of football. He's a smart coach, knows the offense inside and out, knows all the tricks and traits to being a great coach. So I'm excited about him. Actually, I'm more excited about Nick Cayley being the office according and seeing what he does with this offense with C.J. Stroud and the other guys. I got Nico Collins, who's one of my favorite receivers in the league. Big guy.

I love my big guys. You know, I just relate to them big time, big guys that can move and make big plays. And Nico Collins is one of them. So I'm looking out for Nick Cayley, big time. And I think he's going to strive and be excellent. I think that's a right fit for him as well to be. a first time offensive coordinator. I'm excited for Liam Cohen and Duvall.

Really? I feel like that's the least exciting situation there. No. They brought Travis Hunter's there. Okay. They got Brian Thomas Jr. There who had a really great rookie year. They have a paid quarterback.

They've got pretty good tight ends. Liam Cohen was, you know, Liam Cohen got Baker Mayfield back to Baker Mefield, you know, like, so like, this is a big year. I'm excited to see what they're going to do in Duval. They got to step it up. They got a lot of money over there, like invested in players. They've, they've, they went and had a huge draft by getting Travis Hunter, the most

exciting football player. I want to see him, you know, dialed in anything to make the quarterback. I want to see anything to see Trevor Lawrence succeed because that's what has to happen for them to do well. And this is like a winnable division. I'm excited to see what the Houston Texans do too, but I mean, let's go. Let's go, Duvall. You know, this is a competitive division where everyone has a shot because no one's really proved.

And then I'm even excited for the Texans because Cam Ward, he's having a quiet. No one's even talked about him. Number one pick overall. I was watching him go in college last year. It looked like a high school game on TV because I didn't really look at the team. So I thought it was high school playing, but it was just Cam Ward dominating. like a high school player. That's just how special he is that he tricked me when he was out there because he was just

that special. What's the over under for the Indianapolis Colts? The over under for the Colts, I would probably say eight, eight games. Yeah. Seven and a half? We're right on the same page. Is it a hot take to take the over? I think they're going to have, I think, I think Daniel Jones going to win that job.

I just think, I mean, they're going to want Richardson to, I mean, they drafted him third overall, you want him to play. But, you know, I mean, he's hurt right now again on a self-inflicted wound. I mean, it was a quick game play and, you know, that whole knowing the protection thing, he didn't get that thing schemed out. So like, I don't know. I think Daniel Jones, is he got another life? Daniel Jones got another life. Daniel Jones is a cat, bro. He got nine lives out here. Yeah, he is competitive. I mean, he does have nine lives, but. Is that a hot take?

No, I think that's not even a hot take, though. That's not even that hot. No, it wasn't. It was, it was my hot take would be, well, I think they're going to have nine wins. I think they're going to be competitive. That was the same take that you just took saying that they're going to win more than seven and a half games. And then you said it wasn't a hot take. And then you said they're going to win nine games for your hot take.

Like, like, Joel's like, you're just hot right now. Put it that way. you must be sweating right now that you just did back to back the same hot takes i kind of like that i kind of like that so that is your hot take that is a hot they're going to win i got a good hot take for you tyler warren is going to be a top i would say eight tight end this year top eight no they're not going to win nine games what am i what they're not going to win nine games well tyler warren i see top eight tight we're we're over the colts winning nine games who cares about the colts we never cared about them jules but tyler warren even though he's on the

the Coles is going to be a solid, solid play. I'm not being biased. I really like this kid. He just played the first 20 snaps for the Colts in preseason in the first quarter. And he had three catches, I would say, for about 50 yards. And it was three different tiers of catches. One, he did your type of route jewels where he goes into middle of the field for about five yards and comes out, plants and comes out, looks very athletic, looked like a slot receiver

at his size, 65, 256 pounds. And then he ran out route 12 yards, looked for. phenomenal and got a little bit physical after two where they couldn't take him out. And then he ran my play. The play action, Charles Barkley, where the linebacker step up, he found the hole and the quarterback hit him. He looked so solid. The game looks slow to him.

And he just looked like a professional tight end. He's going to be a great player. I learned about him when he was at Penn State last year. What I'm just curious is how he is going to be in the run game. Because just looking at him run those routes, it reminded me, most of myself and a big fan of this guy. I just want to see how he blocks as well. Hot take.

So hot take, Tyler Warren, top tight end, going to be all have over 1,000 yards this year. Hot take, we need to get Charles Barkley on the goddamn show. I love Charles Barkley. He's so funny. He is. And it was one of our great plays. Who are we taking to win this division?

Texans. All right, I'm going Texans too. Who's our other guy, the GM there? Um, Casario. Yeah, Casario. Nick Casario, you can't go against them. No, I'm not trying to go against them. It's just we got to get that offense line going.

All right. On to the next division. We just spent way too much time on the weakest division. Way too much. I can tell you that's the weakest division of football. And we're still talking about them, but we're telling everyone they're the NFC North. Let's go to them.

Let's go big boys. Big boy division. I'm most excited about this is obvious. But it's, it's Aaron Rogers at the quarterback position. I mean, the guy brings the juice. Ooh, that what you're most excited about? I mean, the guy brings entertainment to the game of football. You can hate them, you can love them.

It doesn't matter. He makes the game of football that much better. He makes the team that he's on that much more exciting. It's like Dion Sanders at Colorado. It's like Coach Belichick, you know, at UNC. It's like Aaron Rogers, going to the Pittsburgh Seals. You're going to tune in because of his play. He's still got it.

He's still one of the top quarterbacks in the league. I think he threw for more touchdowns or the exact same amount of touchdowns as MVP, Josh Al. last year and through for maybe even I think more yards than him as well so he's still there he still has game let's just see how he brings it together as a team i'm excited for the pittsburgh's tealers and aaron rogers well i'm excited for the bangles and joe burrow i want to see him dice it up i i watch him play i got watched that quarterback documentary and like he just he kind of reminds me of tom does he not like he really even the way he throws the ball sometimes he looks at he looks at he

looks like young athletic Tom. He's so over the top and he's his mechanical. Like, uh, and, and just his numbers were fascinating last year and they didn't make the playoffs. I'm excited to see since they played in the freaking preseason this year, which once again is kind of due to the health of their team in the past where they couldn't really play and which really did help them or the distractions of signing players didn't help them. They really have been kind of clean this off season. They played in the preseason game. Jamar Chase looked like a fucking monster. Joe Burrow looked like a just surgeon with that precision over there, hitting the fucking defense left and right. I know just going out how on the make going out in the preseason

and looking how you're supposed to fricking look. That's what he did. And that's what I wanted to see. And that's why I think they're going to win, you know, more than two games in September this year. And they have never done that with Joe Burrow. So like, I'm excited to see that. I'm excited to see them start fast. They need to start fast. Teddy Karras got them going. I'm excited. Reason why they didn't make the playoffs last year because of the opening game of the season, they lost to the New England Patriots who won like two games last year. And that was one of their losses and they missed the playoffs by one game. It's bad loss. That's why they got to start fast. They got to start fast. They got to win some games right off the bat. They need it for the moment.

So I'm excited to see the social study of, you know, the Bengals first time playing in preseason game. Hey, maybe a jumpstart to them. They go and play it. You know what I mean? Let's see it. That's a science project study right there. Cincinnati Bengals playing in preseason does that translate now to the opener. We will see.

Will that translate into the September football play? Is that our thesis? A thesis is if and what, correct, Jules? Yeah. So if the Bengals were to play in the preseason this year, would they perform better? Is it if and what? What's a thesis?

If and then? Is it if and then? Yes. If and then, I think it is. If the Bengals were to play and prepare this offseason with playing in the preseason game, such a run-on sentence, then they will win more than two games in September. There we go. There we go. Wait.

or a theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved. His central thesis is that psychological life is not part of the material world. Ladies and gentlemen, we're no teachers. We're no scientists. But I think we hit the thesis statement right on the point. I remember what my science project was, though. My science project was, does your heart rate get affected when you watch scary movies? or something.

I think that's a hypothesis. The hypothesis, yeah. Yeah. Well, Jo was, I was, hot take. I was watching the newest Halloween on a plane when it was around Halloween last

year and my heart race race was going so fast that I turned it off after 10 minutes because it was freaking scarier than scary. I had to turn it off. It was, it was vicious. So scary movies affect heart rate. Scary movies affect heart rate. Yes.

If you're a wussy like myself, yes. yes it does i'm terrified of movies too all right hot take jules the hot take come on what you got fast faster two minute drill aaron rogers hot take is the steelers don't make the playoffs my hot take is the steelers win the division oh we're going full of steelers matchup yeah yeah yeah we're budding heads right now baby i like the bengals aren't going to be as bad as last year it's a tough division the Browns are freaking the Steelers are going to probably split with the Browns

because the Browns have crazy defense and Miles Garrett's just a problem no matter what he can ruin anyone's day. I got a real hot take for you if the Steelers don't make the playoffs then I believe Mike Tomlin will not be the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore. Ooh, that's a hot take.

So I'm going off of your hot take but I think they'll win the division so I think he'll still be there. You think they're going to win the division? Why not? not hot take hot take jules Baltimore Ravens they've won it like last couple years maybe i'm kind of a homer i went to you know i went to school my senior year in Pittsburgh so i kind of got some i got a little bit of Steelers in me okay just a little bit i'm going with the

i'm going with who that's who i'm going with they're so good i can't even argue that they just got to stay healthy i can't even argue that all right let's go on the next division all right next AFC West, ooh, low-key, really hard division. Oh, man. The freaking division before as well was very tough. We went from the worst division to the two hardest divisions. Oh, man, I'm excited. I mean, you can't say you're excited for Mahomes because, like,

he's going to do the same thing he does every year. You're always going to be excited for Mahomes. I would say I'm excited for the Los Angeles Chargers. I mean, you got Harbaugh as a coach for his second year. he's kind of got the program going into the direction that he's going. You got Ladd McConkey. Love his play. Love what he did as a rookie.

I'm excited for the development of Justin Herbert to go to the next level in this offense. Yeah, I know they're a run first offense, but I want to see what he can do. The second step he can make, the next step he can make with this amazing head coach, Jim Harbaugh. Is that how you say their last name? It's a tough last. Harball.

Harball. It's a tough name to say, Joel. Harbaugh. Their football royalty kind of is, I feel. Yes. Oh, more than football royalty-ish. Because I think their dad was a really good coach. Like, they love football.

They're football family, bro. Football family for a life. I'm excited for, I want to see. Bo Nix in year two. Mm. Mm. Because if you look at his numbers,

year one with Sean Payton versus year one, Drew Brees with Sean Payton, they're very similar. I think they're very similar. I saw something out there. Now, Breeze took a jump. I think Bo Nix,

I haven't heard anything bad come out of their camp. Everyone just keeps on talking like, Bo Nix is taking a step. Bo Nix is taking a step. Sean Pateonix, is a great play caller. He knows how to protect young players on how and when he calls certain plays. He knows how to develop offensive line. They flipped that offensive line in a couple years. They got a really good offensive line. Who do they have at running back? Who do they have it running back?

But, you know, I'm excited to see Bo Nix in year two with Sean Payton because they got a really good football team. That's a really good division. This is going to be a blood bath. wait until Sean Peyton gets him like an Alvin Camaro type player at running back, like a guy that can come out of the backfield or a Sprole. He's missing a running back. I don't know who their running back room is, and I'm sorry if there's someone there that's pretty good. But like when Sean Payton's had elite running backs, think about it.

They've been elite. Darren Sproul is with Drew Brieze on the little Sproul's route. The option route was lethal. I remember him running for touchdowns for years. and then Alvin Kamara. It just brings a whole other dynamic into that offense. This hot take is just wild. This is why we love the game of football.

I mean, you got one division with just four legendary coaches. I mean, it's just insane. Four teams where the expectations are to have a winning season. I mean, four teams where they all want to win, they're doing everything to win. And that's why football is so great. And this division is definitely probably the hardest division in football or the second Hardish. There's absolutely no doubt about that. And I'm excited for Pete Carroll. I'm excited because Tom is the owner as well and part of the program. And just to see what they do. They got

Brock Bowers. They drafted that running back. Ashton Genty, who's just an absolute beast out of Boise State. So all four of these teams are exciting. Like they really truly are. So that's just why I love football. Because it's a battle. It's the best of the best going to and verse each other. And I still think Kansas City wins the division just because you can't go against them until they finally don't win the division. And I don't think this is a year. You just got Mahomes at the helm. And he just knows and knows how to figure it out to win. My hot take is Patrick, like, it sounds crazy to me, but like everyone like thinks that like they're not going to win. They know how to win, I think. You know what I mean? They, they know how to win. Even when they're not

playing they're like good they know how to win football games so my hot take is that i don't know if it's hot i don't know what do i have hot take is kansas city going to win the division 1,000 percent oh well then that's not a hot take if you said they weren't going to win then that's a hot take jules i don't like hot takes oh i got a hot take for you the oakland raiders aren't going to make the playoffs I'm not saying that. I stayed away from the Raiders. No, I just said it for you, okay? I didn't say it for me.

I just said that hot take for you. You can't say it for me. So Julian's hot take, without him saying it and me coming up with it for him, that Raiders aren't going to make the playoffs. That's not a hot take, though. He doesn't want to say it because he doesn't want to be on Tom's bad side. Stop.

I'm already on Tom's bad side. Well, then get even worse. I'm already in the doghouse. I don't even know why. Just stay in the case. age. Come on. I'm not even a paw out. All right, Jules. We just covered the ASC divisions.

A lot of great stuff. A lot of excitement. A lot of hot takes that we'll be wrong about, but we'll also be right about some of them. We'll see if it happens, what we're manifesting, what we're talking about once the season starts. But it's time. I know you hate hot takes. I love hot takes. It just spices it up a little bit. And I like spice.

I don't like to eat spice, but I like spice outside of eating it. We'll be right back after this quick break. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people. and that got the citizen investigator on national TV.

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I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I, uh, pointed the gun at him and said this isn't a joke.

And he got down. And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye.

Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to heavyweight on the I-heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents race to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. But what they find is not what they expected. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes.

They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years. caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang

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I'm tipsy right now. I'm going to make some crazy picks. Offensive player of the year. Oh, offensive player of the year. Here we go. So the list right now that's up here is Sequin, Barclay, Jamar Gibbs, Derek Henry, Jamar Chase, Bijon Robinson, and Justin Jefferson. Ooh.

Oh. Seekwon can't go back to back, can he? That's tough, man. That's tough to go back to back. I mean, especially at the running back position and just, how big of a beating you take with all those carries and just to, you know, have the same production as a year before. I mean, it's possible. It's possible.

Toreau Davis was doing that back in the day with the Denver Broncos. So, say, Quaun Barclay could do it, but I don't think it's going to happen. I'm going to go with this guy. He's just looking beastly right now in his first preseason game. He only played a couple snaps, a team that we were talking about that needs to get off on the right foot. So they are playing in the preseason. and I truly think it's going to work and help their team. I'm going to go with Jamar Chase, man.

Ooh, this guy's lethal right now. He is. He's like my favorite receiver. He's one of my favorite, too. This guy's beastly, man. He just looks stalky. He looks bold. He looks strong.

He's fast. He can plant, you know, and stop on a dime, which is impressive. He also has the jets to run by people. This guy, Jamar Chase, is going to take home offensive player of the year. the reason why is because they're going to finally start fast instead of waiting until the fourth game of the season. So he's going to have stats that are through the roof. Sorry, I got to go down. I got to go down.

My neck is getting a little tired. That is such a good. That's a freaking great pick. I love that because I love, I think, Jamar Chase is like my favorite football player to watch. I think. He's strong. Big dude. Strong dude.

He can run. He has every tool on the belt. He can run routes. Explosive. Explosive. Fast, quick, strong. You can make plays down the field. He can make screenplays taking into the house. He could take an under route to the house.

He could take an in-cut to the house. He could take a comeback to the house. He could take a hitch to the house. He could take a post over the top. He can do it all. What about screen pass? Oh, he's already housed those jail-bake screens all the time. I see those little blitz-zero-bleeders where they just give it to him

a couple of linemen come out there gone um that's a great pick i want to go i think it's going to go to a running back who's going to be that next running back there's always the next running back there's always someone that comes out of nowhere i know at the running back position like a bejean like i like bejean robinson i think he's so explosive and so like low to the earth fast he reminds me like ricky williams a young rickie williams but he could do more out of the backfield catching the ball. Like, that's what he kind of reminds me of. Like, and he's so explosive.

I don't think he's as big as Ricky. But I'm going to go with Beijon Robinson because I think they're going to lean on him a lot this year. Hopefully, they should. And with Pennix there, he'll be hitting him out of the backfield. I could just see him having a monster year. Third year, been in the league a couple years, right? two years. This is third year.

And he's prime for, he's prime for a big year. Let's go to defensive player of the year. The favorites right now. I've been waiting to talk about this guy. I'm going with Aidan Hutchinson. This is a no-brainer for me. I love his work ethic. He was having such a great year last year.

It's probably one of the reasons why the Detroit Lions didn't win the Super Bowl was because Aidan Hutchinson went down, one of their best players on defense, a workhorse gets to the quarterback. back does has a motor that doesn't stop always going full speed every single play but there was talks for him this just shows his work ethic that if they did make it to the super bowl he was possibly going to be back i didn't think there was any chance but just shows his work ethic that he was working so hard that they thought he could possibly do it i don't think he would have i don't think he would have been ready but just knowing that now he has the whole offseason to recover

and he's going to come back with some vengeance after that injury i don't think it's going to hinder him at all after breaking, I don't know, what was it, his fibula on bottom, you know, of his leg, which is a nasty, grueling injury. I felt bad for the guy because I really like him. You come back from those. It's easy. Yeah, you can. So I think it's going to be Aidan Hutchinson.

He's just going to have the extra spark and he's going to want to show his dominance and show that he's a young buck and that these injuries aren't going to, you know, hinder him at all. He's just going to keep going and keep motoring and show why he's such a. freaking beast. And he was on his way to be in contentions of defensive player the year last year. But that injury definitely ridiculed, not just him, but the Detroit Lions from winning and along with 14 other starters going down. So Aiden Hutchinson is my pick to be defensive player of the year. Defensive player of the year for me. The favorites are Aiden Hutchinson, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Micah Parsons, T.J. Watt, Will Anderson, Jr. out of Houston.

Is there no safeties? That there's no safety? They ain't got any safeties out there? When the heck is a safety going to be defensive player of the year? I don't think that really ever happened. Is there been a corner? Uh, yeah. Um, no. Yeah, Stefan Gilmore. But he won, yeah, he was defensive player of the year. I mean, yeah, go. Who were the last? What are the last? What are the last? Shout out. Shout out, Stefan Gilmore. Yeah, shout out, Gilly. What are the last eight DP? O-WIs. Stefan Gilmore, Aaron Donald, T.J. Watt, Nick Bosa.

Ooh. Miles Garrett. Patrick Sertan second. Cornerback last year. So look at this. Defense tackle corner. Defense tackle linebacker. Defense to end.

So it's a corner every few years. not going to be a corner this year. I put that down on the books. So it is going to be a pass rusher. I'm going with Dexter Lawrence, defensive player of the year, New York football giants. I want someone off the radar. This guy's a freaking monster. He plays in the freaking middle of the goddamn line and he still sacks the quarterbacks. He's a problem in the run game. And he's going to have Abdul Carter right next to him who's going to be getting all the DTs double teams double teams going freaking and then they're not going to give it to Abdul Carter because he's going to get offensive rookie of the year or rookie defensive player of the year so then he I mean I think they're

going to have a really good defense in in New York is this a hot take jules something you don't like I think you're throwing out a hot take without even knowing that you're throwing out a hot take his current Oh man, don't let me down, bud. His current odds are 5,000 plus 5,000. So you win, you bet a hundred bucks to get 5K. Making the butt right now. Putting my mortgage on it. Mm-hmm.

Well, we're adding a little, I'm joking. I am joking for everyone out there. I know you're joking. No, but people out there might do that. People might have to. Once you're going to put the nut house on that bat. And then once you win, it's going to be the nut house on steroids.

Freaking upgrade that place. Two times it. Let's go, Jules. I dare you to put your mortgage on it. But we're adding a little extra one in here. It's the newest award. It just started this year. All the Lyman, they always feel left out, which understandable.

They get more credit in everything that they do. And I'm glad that they came up with this award to, you know, yeah, to bring some awareness to what the offensive linemen do. and they came out with Protector of the Year Award. And we got some favorites. We got Lane Johnson, Trette Williams, Tristan Worf, Quinta Nelson, Joe All. Penezuel. Penezuel.

Penezuel. Penezou. Penezul. He's going to be Protector of the Year. He's one of the favorites. I love Pene. Dude, that's so, that's an insane story, by the way. He was a fucking rugby.

player. He's like an all, we're talking about him being protector of the goddamn ear. Wasn't he Pentee Soo? Or I'm thinking of the guy from the Philadelphia Eagles. The Pentee Soles Detroit. He's been like the flag carrier that offensive line. Mm-hmm. Athletic.

Big boy. I'm going Pene Suo. Big boy. Oh, okay. Milada. I like Milata too. Mala was a guy that played rugby over in Australia. He's an Australian. Then he came over.

He's the first Australian to win a Super Bowl. I'm pretty sure. Big, big name. I was just in Australia after they won the Super Bowl. Everyone talked about him. Jordan Marada. He from here.

He from here. I'm like, I know. I know. I like the accent, Rob. Penesu. Penesu.

Is this, that? It's Penesua. Suo. Athletic, big guy. Tosses defenders out of the way. When I like about him,

they can pull. They can pull very well. I like them because he's just, he, Polynesian, rogue. Oh, Polynesians, They're the best.

Polynesians don't even need a workout. They just so strong naturally. I don't know what they drink. I don't know what they eat, but they're just so strong. It's Kava, Rogue. Yeah,

that is what they have. You drink the Kava. It's that root juice. Yeah, the Kava makes them freaking their testosterone. They're the roof. Awesomeest people. They really are.

We used to have pig louows at my Pop Warner football games. Like the, we used to have like a big community of Tongans and Samoans. And there's usually, there's usually a, I don't know if there's a beef between them, ancient times there was. There's like some war stuff. But since all the, like, all the Pacific Islanders were all kind of tight in our area. So they were all like, it was all cool.

And so like we'd have, you get a plate of pig, macaroni salad and like fries for like five bucks. And like they'd be wrote, the, the, uh, Sam Alaparte, his dad would, his, his, he'd be roasting the pig over behind the snack shack. The shit was hell tight. So shout out to all my poles because they are part of me, rogue. I love them. And I got to play with, you didn't get to play with them. I got to play with like the Polly King, man, Polly God, Junior, say how.

And, you know, that's crazy. RIP, dog. But Protector of the Year for me, Peney Sue. All right. Protector of Year for me, I'm going with. my fellow buccaneers teammate tristan warf my favorite picture one of my favorite pictures of all time is when my hand is next next next to him and i have it on the ground in my tight end position and i'm a big dude six six 269 yeah yeah you know i range from 260 to 269 jewels i i heard

you can't get it by me oh robbie yeah yeah yeah i was just silly just throwing out little jokes out there i knew i couldn't get it by you uh but i got to buy all the list They didn't understand that, but I think they did. But Tristan Wharf, I put my hand down next to his and I look like a tiny guy. I look like you next to me, Jules. That's how I felt. Yeah, I'm sorry, but like that's just how it is. You're right.

You weren't that small. It's one of my fit. Yeah. When I'm next to Trish and Warf, this guy is not that big. He's not that big. Yes, he is. His quads are double my size. Like it's insane.

How many is he? And he's big. And I don't think he let up. up a sack last year or something. Like he's got some crazy stats. No, he's a monster. He is a monster. And Baker Mayfield's going to have another great year, which will give more attention

to Tristan Wharf. So I think he wins protector of the year. That's a good pick. It's exciting. I like doing these picks because then you get to follow those guys and like root for him. And also I saw, I saw Tristan Wharf this offseason. And he's a big dude.

He was gigantic. And he lost about 25 pounds. and looks so athletic. And it's like, it's not like 25 pounds, like where you're scared. Like, oh, is he going to get bullied? No, is he going to be too small? No, it's like he's perfect size now. And that means like losing that 25 pounds means he's going to have a bigger motor now to

just dominate defenders and be quicker. So for that reason, seeing that weight loss and seeing how good he looks, he's going to win protector of the year. And then our last, let's go to our last award then. Let's pick the AFC. champion, the team that will be representing the AFC in the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 60. Nine?

Nope. That's in nine more years. Is it Super Bowl 60? It's just Super Bowl 60 coming up. Oh my God. Bro. We're freaking old. I know, Jules.

How do I know that? Because it was a 10 year anniversary last year of us winning the Super Bowl versus Seattle Seahawks. So I knew it was Super Bowl 59. And then you add one more year to it. That equals Super Bowl 60. Man. Math magician.

Thank you. Dude, he, see, he does his math a little, little differently, but he always gets it fast. He always gets it fast.

I'm a different type of cat, Jules. I'm the gronster. I don't do normal things. We're going to do the first seed, the team that will have the best AFC record. record. Yes. And they're going to have a buy week. So that's a big advantage. Big advantage to have that by week. Who got it last year? The Buffalo Bills, right? No, the Kansas City Chiefs, silly. Did they? The Kansas City Chiefs. Wow. They're number one seed. Number one seed this year. Ooh. I'm going to with the bills. Oh, the bills. I was going to say, hurry up with your pick. Because I smell right now, Jews. I got some B.O. And I got a hop in the shower.

It's because the stinky pick you're about to put if you go gives my pick. Oh, that was pretty good. I'm going to go with the team that lost to the bills last year, but dominated the bills in the regular season. I'm going with the Baltimore Ravens. Even though, wait, that doesn't make sense because you just had the Steelers win the division. All right. And now you're going Baltimore.

Dude, go take a shower. I'm stinky right now. Like you said, it's going to be, I take that back. The Ravens aren't going to. be the one seat i got confused the one seed hmm let me think about it i think the bills have the easiest road to do well yeah yeah you know something about it i'm gonna go with the same pick as you julian the buffalo bills it's just because like process elimination yeah we i'm a patriot homer and i think they're going to be great but they're going to split with them at best and i'm going to sweep the buffalo

bills. It's just how it's going to go. And then, you know, Miami, what's going to happen over there? The Jets love Aaron Glenn, excited to watch them play, but I don't know, man. I don't like that Shakira has a high ankle sprain going into the regular season, but those things come up every, you know, as long as he got that now, not in the middle of the season, maybe it could be good. Like, and that's another thing. With all the injuries, like right now we're at the injury point of training camp. It's like after the first four first like three weeks of training camp the like numbers spike on injuries which we're we're seeing and a lot of people like the slater injury for the chargers like man we just signed this it's almost better to have the injury in preseason because it allows

your team to prepare for out the player like when i tour my ACL against detroit in the third preseason game it gave the it gave the the team you know two weeks to prepare not having me you know what I mean when we lost you in the middle of the season that that's like what the fuck we need you that's you know why that's why we didn't make the super bowl the year I blew out my knee and that's why we made the super bowl the year you blew out your knee julian because it was preseason and we got to prepare without you and then we knew what to do so thank you for doing it early on so I don't know where that even comes in play, but that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer. Coors Light.

Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes and always celebrate responsibly cold as the Rockies. They always are. Celebrate responsibly. Always cold as the Rockies. Thank you, Corr's Life for making me feel good. Well, let's get into the NFC next week and give our Super Bowl predictions. We're going soupy? We're going soupy.

Super Bowl predictions. I hate talking Super Bowl before the even the preseason is even done. Yeah, I agree, Jules. I agree. But we're going to do it. We'll do it. Well, for you guys,

the listener. So we either humiliate ourselves or make ourselves look like geniuses. And everyone will forget anyways. That's why they're not. They're going to be referencing this thing from all day long. Hey, shout out to, Bustin with the boys are on Hard Knocks. You see that?

Those guys are working. Shout out. Shout out to Buzz with the boys. They're going to be the crew to talk to from here on now. This is just their first year hitting the road. And like players coming to do interviews. It should be us. Yeah.

They're going to be the crew to talk to. Yeah, it should be us. You know, down the road. It should be us. You're right. Bussing with the boys suck. Not just kidding. I love them.

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