Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on the NFC & Pop Douglas

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Gronk & Jules are getting on the NFC this week! We're going division by division to dive into the biggest storylines, give our hot takes, and predict the winners of each. In The Chillest Dude of the Week, Gronk & Jules are making their picks for some season long awards and giving out their picks for who will win it all.  Pop Douglas joins the show! The Patriots Wide Receiver joins us to talk training camp, the 2025 season, and we find out what kind of Dude Pop is!  Catch the Dudes Live at GRONK & JULES PRESENT WELCOME TO THE NUTHOUSE! TONIGHT, August 28th at MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston. Tickets are moving fast!  Get Tickets Here!Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're here in the Dunkin' Nut House and Bulls. Austin. How cool is this? I mean, there's just graffiti of dunking all over the place. I'll tell you right now. There's donuts all over the place. There's Dunkin Coffee just energizing us throughout the whole day. Jules, how awesome is it to be here? It's pretty awesome. We also got a shout out the people behind the camera. The house has been getting so many compliments with all the insane artistry things going on. I mean, they redid a bunch of these paintings to look like you and I in these movie posters and this. It's just been a really fun experience. It's just been a really fun I feel pretty dunked up.

And, you know, there's dunking everywhere. We're getting tons of interviews, you know, throughout the whole week. Getting ready for the live show capturing tons of great content as well. And the coolest part of the house, I think, is just how many, just how just many games are set up around here. I'm an activity guy. Big activity guy. There's hockey puck shot. There's pop a shot.

There's swimming. If you like to swim. There's darts. Putting. There's spin the wheel. You ever play spin the bottle, but this is spin the wheel. As Terry Bradshaw said, he used to play with his aunt. Remember Terry said that on TV?

He goes, it's like playing spin the bottle of my hand. I don't recall him saying that. I think he said that. I didn't see that one. Then Michael looked at him and like, what the hell? And by the way, the live show is tonight, ladies and gentlemen. If you're in Boston, you better be at the time. the MGM, music call at 8 p.m. Sharp, get rowdy, get loud, ask us questions. It's going to be

a good old time. It's going to be insane. It's going to be fun. There's a lot of surprises. We've got a lot of, a lot of presents. I feel like Chris Kringle over here. And I feel like Pringle. Pringle and Kringle. Tasty. And you guys are going to want to bite me. Can't you see one. Pop me? You're going to keep going. It's time for donut dudes presented by Duncan. What's this, Julian? Donut dudes?

This is the segment where we determine on what kind of donut each dude is. Our guest represents. But today, I think we're going to see what represents us. So let's get the box of donuts. Let's get the box of Dunkins. So you and I are going to determine what type of donut we are? What type of Duncan donut we are? Yeah.

Well, I kind of already feel like I already know what type of donut I am. I mean, I need a donut. I need a donut that has a lot of different flavors for you, man, because you bring a lot of flavor to the table. I know one that's for you. What's that? I like the glaze stick for you. Yeah, the big hit glaze stick.

Yeah, I give you that one. It is. It's big. That's the gross. It's glazed up because I am tasty, but it's like I'm just like an original. It's not like I have tons of flavor. I'm just a glaze. It's a flavor.

I'm well put together. Look at that bad boy. And it's like it just looks great. Like it looks different and I look different. So thanks, thanks, Jules. What do we think I am? Mm, my way, I think it's a little, mine's a little different. Probably one that's a little underappreciated.

You're kind of like a little underappreciated, you know, not flashy. No, you're definitely, I said you're a variety of flavor. You need something with sprinkles on it then, a lot of color. Sprinkle? Sprinkles for sure. Yeah, but I'm kind of leaning maple. Maple. I'm leaning a little bit of maple.

Why maple? Why would you be a maple frosted donut? Because the maple doesn't get the respect. Oh. The respect. Oh, you're going that route. You know, maybe the maple's kind of doggie. Mm-hmm. You know, who eats the maple?

Mm-hmm. The weird guy. The weird guy. I'm the weird guy, maybe. No, you're not really a weird guy. No, you're a straight shooter. Weird guys are weird. And you're not weird.

Yeah. I like to eat the maple, but maybe I am just a chocolate sprinkle. You're not a French curle or maybe you're like the jelly donut, you know? Because everyone just thinks it's just a donut and then they take a point and they're like, who there's jelly inside. I like that. Yeah, they just thought you were a quarterback. Oh, you were a wide receiver as well, ladies and gentlemen.

Let's switch them over. I'm the jelly donut. But I'm going to go with the maple donut. You're the maple donut. I'll take underrated, but brings the heat to the table when needed. More than you think. Mm-hmm. All right.

Well, before we talk to Pop Douglas, we're going to run through our NFC predictions. Last week with the AFC predictions this week, we're going to. do the NFC predictions. This was one of my favorite episodes that we did last week. Yeah. The NFC predictions because it's just fun to predict and then see if you were right or wrong, you know, by end of the year. And if you were right, you brag about it.

If you were wrong, you don't even bring it up to anybody. Ever. I just think it's totally awesome. Fake news. So let's get into it. We are going to run through each division and we will say what we are most excited for. Give a hot take as well. Hot takes, hot takes, hot takes.

People love hot take guy. Yeah. I'm about clicks and hot takes get clicks. So I'm a hot take guy. Julian's not. He just wants to, you know, for real. And who's going to win it? Who's going to win the division as well?

So let's start off with the NFC East. You got the Giants, Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Washington Commanders. There's a strong division last year. The Cowboys disappointed. But what are we most excited for, Julian? I'm most excited to see Jaden Daniels in year two. Like he had statistically, the greatest rookie quarterback season in the history of the game,

took his team to the NFC championship, team that have four wins the year before. And how is he going to, like, how is he going to top that? Because we saw C.J. Stroud kind of, not necessarily take a step back, but it wasn't as a productive as year as C.J. Stroud's rookie year. Are we going to fall into that trap with Jaden Daniels? He just got Terry McLauram back, so that makes me excited.

But I'm really excited to see the progression, of Jaden Daniels with Cliff Kingsbury under Dan Quinn in the capital. I'm excited for Brian Daibow to have a bounce back year. They went 3 and 14 last year for the New York Giants. Daibol was my coach for three years in New England. We won a Super Bowl. I'm a big fan of his. So if he has a bounce back year, I will see that twinkle in his smile again.

I'll see that sparkle in his eyes again. And I'll be very excited for him. Not necessarily for the Giants, because they'd be. the Patriots twice and super but I'll be excited for Brian Dable. Yeah. Hot takes. I'll start it off. All right.

Let's hear your hot take. Even though you don't like hot takes, but you want to start it off, you must have a hot take. Let's hear. Cowboy finished last. Oh, that's not even a hot take.

That's a fact. Oh, that's a hot take right there saying that's a fact. All right, you got Cowboys finishing last. I mean, I can see it. I can see it. Why not?

I mean, tough division and giants are going to be hot this year. I don't know. I think the giants are going to be slept on. They have probably arguably one of the best offensive lines in the game. My hot take. Oh, man. It's hard because in this division, you kind of see what you're going to get, you know. It's hard to kind of pick a surprise here.

Oh, hot take. Hot take. One of the quarterbacks will be traded on the New York Giants roster. They got too many. I think didn't just want to happen? Did it just happen? No, no. Or no, didn't what's his name just get traded?

Pick it. Yeah, that's, that's, they're in the same situation. They got Russell Wilson. They got Dart. They got James Winston and they got DeVito. I mean, one of, like, I think, like, I think he just got cut. Oh, he got cut. All right.

They're going to go three. They can't go three. Not three. You can't go three vets. So I think James Winston may be traded throughout the season if another player goes down. I like that. I like that. Who's going to win it, Rob?

I'm going to go with the Philadelphia Eagles. They're too established. They got, you know, a core that is just. too unstoppable. Their defensive offensive offensive line, you know, that's where you win games is with the line, and they're just so established on both sides there, so just the Eagles are going to repeat. Yeah, I think the Eagles

are going to win it, but I don't think it's going to be easy for them. I think the departure of Kellyn Moore, I mean, how many offensive coordinators has Jaylen Hertz had? I'm not sure. And it's not stopping them. I know.

And they're returning, I heard you say, in one of your interviews, 21 of 22 starters. No, no, they had 21 or 22 starters in the Super Bowl last year. They were healthy. Yeah. Like, that's one of the main reasons to win a Super Bowl. And whatever they're doing is working

with the training staff. Howie Rose men. He's on the field. He's a monster. Let's move on. All right, let's go. NFC South, you got the Tampa Bay Bucks, Carolina Panthers. This is one of the weakest divisions in football. You got the New Orleans Saints. You got the Atlanta Falcons. Jules, what are you most

excited for on this one? I'm most excited. Well, I'm not excited for the Saints, that's for sure. I'm excited for Baker. I'm excited for the bucks. You know, like, they've kind of established something even when Tom and you left the organization. You guys left an imprint. They kept it going. And they're keeping it going. Can they keep it going? I think they're going to, but I'm excited to see how that goes. They added a receiver. What's his name? the first round pick I don't know his name we'll just call him first round pick

we're not supposed to know his name until he makes plays all right we got a first round pick receiver I think Godwin just got taken off the pup list that's good they got Evans they got players I'm a little curious about Tunsel but we'll see I'm excited for Pennix Jr

at the helm you know for the Atlanta Falcons let's see what he can do a lefty he beat out a veteran player in Kirk Cousins. So I'm excited to see what he can do and if he can get Atlanta over that hump of just being very average. And yeah, we'll see if that can happen. I mean, this is the vision to, you know, do it in, you know, as a first year starter. So we will see. What's your hot take here? Hot take. The hot take is Kurt Cousins plays. Starts. I like that hot take. for the Atlanta Falcons at some point this season.

Is it because of injury? I don't know. I don't know. He just starts. At some point. Does it have to be for the Falcons? I don't know. Okay.

I like that. I don't know. I don't know. That's a hot take. It's kind of a half take, but yeah. Eh, okay. What's your hot take, Rob? My hot take is New Orleans Saints are just going to be a quarterback mess the whole entire

season. I think that's a fact. Yep. And who's going to win it? I'm going to go with the Tampa Bay Bucks. They've two established. They got too many vets on the team that have been there. They got a core of players.

They got a nucleus. And when you have a nucleus, you're going to be good every single year. And they're going to win the division and go to the playoffs. You know we love Jimmy Neutron type guys. And if they have a nucleus, I'm going to go with your word on that organization. You played there. I'm going Tampa Bay Bucks as well. They do.

They got nucleus in the front office. They got nucleus on the field. Levante, David on defense. Jeez. Vita Via. And on the defensive line. the safety. Antoine Winfield Jr. Dad played for the Buffalo Bills. They're good. The nucleus is legit on defensive side and offensive side of the ball for Tampa.

That's why they're going to win. They're going to win. NFC North. This is the Green Bay Packers, the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, and those Chicago Bears. The thing that you are most excited for Roberto. I'm excited for this Ben Johnson guy. Oh, that's exciting. Yes. And he left, you know, a team in the same division to go be the head coach for the Chicago Bears. And he's an offensive genius. That's what they say. And I'm not excited to see what type of head coach he is. I'm just excited to see what he does for the offense for the Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams.

So let's see if he's really, really that good because Caleb Williams thrives this year, then that means Ben Johnson's a real deal. Real deal. I'm excited for that, too. I think what I'm most excited for, though, I'm excited for those Detroit Lions, man. We've been talking about the Detroit Lions for like the last three years of being one of the best teams. You know, they're the one seed last year? Yeah, they were the one seed last year.

You know, they'd lose both of their offense and defensive coordinators to getting head coaching jobs, Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson, who went over to Chicago. So how are they going to deal with that? We talk about Nuculus guys. It seems like their whole team's nuclear-less guys. You know, they've drafted a lot of their guys. They've brought guys in like Jared Gough that have re-sparked their career. They have an underdog mentality, even though they won the one seat last year.

A lot of people aren't talking about them this year. Yeah, I mean, they just had so many injuries. Like I said, a little bit earlier. Philadelphia Eagles had 21 of their 22 starters from beginning of the year. That's the main reason why you win Super Bowl. I mean, what, Lions have 14 starters out going into the playoffs? I are. Yeah, and I are.

you can't win no matter what, but just shows how good their coaching was that they still dominated throughout the whole season. And my hot take is that Minnesota is going to fall off this year. They fell off in the playoff last year and that's just going to continue. A quarterback that's just brand new. You can be high on him, but he's brand new. Never played a game in the NFL. Just they're going to fall off.

They're going to win like seven games this year. I mean, KOC got. He's great, but that's my hot take. That's a good hot take. It's just a hot take. I know. Well, my hot take is, what is my hot take? Let me think.

I just threw you off. You threw me off. Well, that's what a hot take is supposed to do. My hot take is Green Bay Packers aren't making the playoffs. What? Now I'm looking at you like you're an idiot. I like these hot takes. We got a young team.

We always talk, oh, they're so young. I don't know, man. They just, it doesn't seem like they, when they're, when they're, when they're clicking, It feels like backyard football to me sometimes. Even what you know what I mean? Like you don't really have consistent methodical long drives. I love Brandon Jacobs. I love the whole,

but I don't know, man. I know I love Golden. They drafted Golden in the first round who's going to be a really good receiver. But maybe they take a step back too, Green Bay Packers. We'll see. I know what you mean. If we're both right on their hot takes and Detroit and Chicago

will be going to the playoffs. Or only one. But I feel like if those two tank, Chicago's. What if they all just beat each other up? Then they're all bullies. They're bowling each other. That's a hot take.

Who's going to win it? Detroit Lions. They're too good. They got everyone coming back. Watch. Green Bay is going to end up winning the division. My hot take is they don't even make the fucking playoffs. I'm going with Detroit Lions as well.

I think they have just too many good players and they have experience on how to win now. Exactly. You know? NFC West, Robbie. We got the L.A. Rams. Yeah, we got the LA Rams. We got the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco, 49ers, big disappointment last year.

And then we got the Arizona Cardinals. Oh, am I already throwing out hot takes by saying big disappointments? Oh, yes, I am because that's what we do here. We're hot takers. What's our most exciting thing, though? Oh, the most exciting thing? I'm excited for in this division. Ooh, what we got?

I'm excited to see what Devante Adams can do with Matthew Stafford. I mean, who doesn't love a connection? That's what brings fans into the stadiums. And you got one of the best receivers in the game, Devante Adams and both vets and Matthew Stafford, for one of the best quarterbacks in the game as well. I want to see that connection and see what they can do. You know, hopefully Stafford's throwing. You got that disc, that disc thing's scary, no?

He should come hang out with us. You just got some surgery on your disc and your neck. I had three surgeries on my disc. He's a quarterback, though. Suck it out. Oh, my gosh. Robbie. I'm most excited for... Honestly, I'm just most... I'm most excited to see... I think this is like the most even division, low-key.

Nah. I think the Cardinals are going to be better than what people think. Gannon has used his whole draft to draft defensive guys. He's a really good defensive coach. And Kyler Murray always has that sneaky... He's sneaky good. Like, you could say what you want to say about Kylo. Murray. But the guy, I mean, they went like 9 and 0 three years ago with Cliff Kingsbury. They've had

winning football in Arizona. And I just think I like Gannon. I like the coach. I think I'm excited to see what the Cardinals do this year because I think this is a muddier division than what people think. San Francisco, I don't know who's going to play receiver for them. They have a lot of like question marks there. We don't know what their defense is going to do. They lost. Greenlawn, Hufanga. I know they brought in Salas, but we'll see. Seattle, like, I've been hearing nothing but great things out of their camp about Sam Darnold.

And McDonald's going to have that defense rock, and they got a lot of great players. They have insane corners. And then, L.A., you can never turn your back on Sean McVeigh, but if Matthew Stafford doesn't play, I mean, what, Jimmy G? Jimmy G. He's got that offense under the wrap right now. What do you mean? He does.

He's doing well in training camp. Who? courts are saying Jimmy G. I mean, he's got a lot of great players around him. He does. Great offense. I love Jimmy G. But Matthew Stafford's coming to play.

If you just need Jimmy G. for a game or two, that's fine. He can do that. But Matthew Stafford is going to be playing, dude. He's got to be playing. Like, bro, he's back flared up. He's 39. So what?

You can fix that back. You're the back expert. Hot take. Is it his arm? No, but that back is everything. But I think it's lower back. Yeah. If it was neck, then yes, it could affect his iron.

What about this? You've seen Tom's a little drill. He's got to be able to throw your hips through, though. Yeah. He's got to fix that back. Get the apple girl shot. Get some treatment around it. Loisten up all the muscles.

Do all the rehab and you'll be back. I wonder how he popped that disc. I know. He's at disc. He's at disc problems a lot of time. He's had a lot of back problems. Getting old. Well, I probably know a source of that will give out how he injured his back.

But we'll just keep it. there who say it for the hot take what's your hot take okay uh hot take hot take oh man uh hot take take oh the san francisco 49ers stay where they were last year bottom of the pack six seven maybe eight wins they didn't really do anything this offseason to upgrade they paid brock purdy they had to get rid of deebel samuels because the salary cap was just getting so out of control So my hot take is that they, you know, they look good on paper, but they don't perform that well. You know, this is fun. I don't know if that's a hot take.

Well, you know something? What you were most excited for was a freaking hot take. What? The Cardinals showing up. That's a hot take. That's not being excited for you. I'm just saying. Like, no one's ever excited for the Cardinals.

You put them in an excitement. Who in this division is good enough to just sweep the Cardinals? Who? The Rams. They split every year. They split last year. Go ahead. And that's all.

That's what I mean. It's a lot closer than you think. And they have good players. I mean, you see Marvin Harrison Jr. He looks like fucking jacked. I do like him. Maybe he's too Jack, though. I don't know.

Yeah, too Jack. It's rare. When you're too Jack, the only player that ever, ever like, like, I went against him saying he was too jack but what what is it when i go against someone and he he outperforms what i say like what like what am i trying to get to come on just outperforms but like okay it's dk mccath i said he's too jack to be good and he proved oh he proved me wrong proved you're he proved me wrong that's what i was going for dk mcalf truly proved me wrong i was like that dude is so jacked how are you going to be able to come in and out of breaks you know tightness and he truly proved me wrong

And I'm a huge fan of him now because of that. So, but is Marvin Harrison Jr. too jacked? His dad wasn't jacked. Dad, no, but he clearly got, didn't get his dad. Dad's like five me. But he's young to be that. He's young enough to be that jacked. Dude, he looks jacked.

But he's going to be great. I ain't going, I ain't going against him. He's going to be great. He's a good, yeah. Yeah. My hot take is, I think Seattle's making the playoffs. Is that a hot take? Is it?

I don't know. They almost made the playoffs last year. Did they? Well, Seattle makes a playoffs and my hot takes is going to stay perfect. Because that means Rams are making playoffs and San Fran's doesn't. Not three teams this year.

They beat up. And I'm excited for the Cardinals. I didn't say they were going to win the division. Oh, you're just excited for them. I'm excited for them. Oh, I'm not.

Who's going to win it? I like battling. Battling might be the funniest thing of all time. Like, that's why you always fought people on the field. I understand talking shit. Who me? People, yeah, because it got you going.

It was fun. Dang, I was an idiot. I never fought anyone. Well, I did a couple. You people elbowed someone out of the game. And it was fun. All right. Who's going to win?

I'm going with the Los Angeles Rams. Enough, enough said. I don't need to explain my decision. I'm going to Seattle Seahawks. Let's get into the Chills Do the Week, brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door.

Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly. Rob, what are we doing? You know, it may be preseason, but it's never too early for some trophy talk, baby. Give me that beer. What all these hot takes? I want my hot takes to even elevate even more.

So we're going to get a little tipsy for it. So we're going to make our picks for the rest of the big awards, who we think will win the NFC and who we think won it at all. Yeah, so let's get into it. Let's get into it. So last week we said the bills will win the, AFC and B AFC champions. I'm thinking, see, it's so hard. You know, that's why I hate making predictions early on in the fucking season. Like a week later, we don't even know how the

rosters are right now. They even cut down the goddamn fat. But what's also cool is that everyone forgets what your prediction is as well. Like for anyone who makes a prediction. Like, I don't care who you are. If you're Adam Chepner, everyone forgets what your prediction was. We all don't forget Peter Schragers because he's always right with his predictions. Damn, ass. Well, you got to be right in order to be remembered in prediction. My guy's been right a lot. But that's what's cool. So you can be wrong so much and everyone will forget.

But if you're right, so just always take your shot. Take your shot. Yeah. It's like Wayne Gretzky. You miss 100% of shots you don't take, unless if that was Michael Jordan. It was one of them. I think it was Wayne Gretzky, right? One of them.

The great one. They're both. I think it's pretty in there. Yeah, it was both of them. Michael Scott. Um, coach of the year. Who is it going to be? We got some favorites.

Mike Rable, Ben, Benjamin, huge Johnson. Jonathan, I have a huge cannon. Dave Canales and Sean Payton Faces. Sean Peyton Faces. Like the like Peyton, like Peyton, like Peyton. Yeah, like Peyton Manny. Exactly just like that. How do you know what I was thinking?

Good commercial. Yeah. I mean, they both played in Denver at one point. Yeah. Kind of. Marketing got me. Yeah, so I'm going to go with Sean Payton. You're going Sean Payton?

Yeah, I love that quarterback that they have. And Sean Payton's just been around, knows how to coach the game of football. He freaking went to the playoffs with $80 million off of the salary cap. I'm going with Sean Payton. That's a great pick. That's great pick. I'm going to go with Rabes. He's already been a coach of the year, too, I think, hasn't he?

So it'll be a two-time, like Kevin Stefanski, potentially. I mean, if the Patriots make the playoffs, he's going to be coach of the year. not if Sean Payton wins every game. But he, you know, good hot take. MVP. Oh, I was just on the Kay Adams show earlier. And I had to do some futures pick and who was going to be an MVP.

I said Joe Burrow. And why Joe Burrow? Well, I mean, possibly if you look at the stats last year, he should have won MVP. But you're not going to win MVP unless if you go to the playoffs at least. And if you're not going to go to playoffs and win MVP, you better have like 30 more touchdowns thrown than the next guy. So that's why he didn't get it last year.

But this year I feel like they'll have a fast start finally. I mean, that's what they're emphasizing. And if they do that and you got Jamar Chase who looks absolutely freaky and studly and dogly all combined. He might be the first one that could fit all three at once. Joe Burrow will win. Jaden Daniels. I'm going Jaden Daniels. I'm going with the dark horse.

Okay. He's going to be the future. this whole thing. He's one of the futures. Had the best rookie year of all time. Him and Cliff Kingsbury with a complete year under their belt, another offseason together. How many wrinkles are going to be in there? Terry McLaurin coming late to camp worries me a little. But once you have that chemistry that they've had, I mean, Terry McLaurin, what do you have 11 touchdowns last year? You get 11 touchdowns last year. I don't think they need to have, they don't even need to practice those two. So I'm going Jaden Daniels. I love this shit, man. Sipping my core's light, just throwing out hot. This is

what I live for. How freaking takes. Hot tape, baby. Hot takes, picks, all that good old stuff. This is fun. Now I know why analysts and these experts all do it. Yeah. So called worth I guess we're so called experts. We are experts. Yeah, we are experts. All right, NFC regular season champion. I'm going with the Detroit Lions. I love what the Lions are doing. Dan Campbell, Jared Goff. I'm just hoping that they stay held. this year and Aidan Hutchinson's an absolute savage. It was freaking crazy. This is how crazy is he thought

he was, if the Lions went to the Super Bowl, he thought he was going to play. They said he could have played. They said he could have played. They said he could have played. I love his mentality. I love where his head's at. I heard that he could have played. Yeah, and they could have made the Super Bowl and they didn't. But he could have played. I like that pick, Rob. I like that pick, but it's not going to stand a chance against the

Philadelphia Eagles and my pick. What are you kidding me, bro? Oh shit. The Eagles? are in the NFC as well? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Damn, they are. The Eagles, bro.

I don't know. Howie Roseman, he does so many gymnastics with the salary cap and free agent. I just like what they got. They have so many good football players. They've so, the line is a little beat up,

though, from what I heard, right? Didn't they, they lost Jurgensen? I mean, I respect the Eagles to the max, and I wouldn't surprise me at all. If they won't it all again, I'll be like, kudos to them. But this,

is just my preseason pick. I mean, it's not a bad pick. Lions are fucking good. And if the Lions don't win, everyone is going to forget about this pick. All right. Yeah. What is this?

To Lions win, I'm telling you, we're pulling this episode back up. So who's playing for all the Marbles? Well, last week, we know, we both said the Buffalo Bills

will be winning the AFC. Or, no, we said the Buffalo Bills will be the one seat actually last week. Yeah. Well, let's just say the bills are making it all the way.

Yeah. Let's just say that, right? Yeah, bills for me as well. but so I got bills versus lions and you got bills versus eagles. I'm going to pick the lions winning at all. You know, you know,

that's going to be tough for, you know, my hometown team, you know, the fans, they're going to be like, yeah, he's picking against us.

Well, I'm just psychic and I just know what's up. Like, it's not like it's anything against the bills. It's just, I think the lions are going to win it all this year. I mean, if they stay healthy,

they got a great team and they got Dan Campbell, who's a maniac and I love maniacs. Not so fast. New offense and new defensive coordinator over there, Robbie. I'm going to tell you right now, the Buffalo Bills, they're finally going to get it done. They're going to go out and win the Super Bowl this year. They have the offensive nucleus guys. I like the Coleman receiver, the Shakir Kid, Cooks, and then they have this guy named

Josh Allen. I don't know. You ever heard of him? He's a monster. As you think he's a nucleus guy, Josh Allen? Oh, he's the proton. Oh, I like that. You just took this Jimmy Neutron talk to a whole other level.

He's a proton. You need other ones to magnitude. I forget that. What about a neutron? Do you want neutrons? He's an Ionic bond or something, bro. He's ioning bonds. But let me say this.

Also, the bills, they got Milano back on defense. Oh, he's good. They got, they got Bosa. They got Bosa, who's been beat up a couple years. That has to prove something that he can still play. Yes. They brought Bosa over there for January to make sacks. so I'm hoping he stays healthy.

I think they have a good shot. They didn't play very well in the preseason, but they didn't play anyone. They had great practices in those joint practices I've heard. So I'm excited to see what these Buffalo bills do, and I think they're going to go out with the Super Bowl. Maybe we can have the Bions win, lions and Bills combined. That would be a Bion.

You're laughing at my Bions. I can tell you some history that I know, Julian. Back in World War II, they combined the Steelers. with oh, what team was it again? I know they got combined. Howie Roseman.

Oh, with the Eagles. I think they were called like the, the Stiegel's. Stegals. Yeah. So maybe if World War Four happens, three.

Three. We have to go for a third. Oh, three. I mean, I feel like this world's on his way sometimes. Hope not. But hope not that the best. The bills and Detroit are going to come by since they're both bordering with Canada. They'll be like, oh, that's easy.

We can have a strong border. Let's create the buy-ins and win the Super Bowl. Whoa, what if the Bills and the Lions play in the Super Bowl? Then that would be like a Canadian-ish-type Super Bowl. Yeah. And then we can expand. Because they both touch that border. And then we can expand.

The choice is the only place where Canada is south of it. And Roger Goodell's brain will go off with an idea. Oh my gosh. Now we can have a team in Canada and a salary cap can keep going up. and then we'll go to the Europe. Yeah. The Europe. And then Australia.

And then Asia. And then Japan. And then the finally, Antarctica. Antarctica. The ice bowl. And that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer. Coorslight.

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Today we are joined by third year receiver here in New England from St. Augustine, Florida. Underdog went to Liberty College. 1-A, now known as FCC. FCC. Yes, and then... FBS. FBS. No, no, they're FCS.

FCS. and then they joined FBS his freshman year. Right. And it's an independent school. Independent school. Where is number three? We have Pop Douglas. Pop, welcome to the show.

How is camp going thus far? You popping out there or what? I appreciate y'all have me, man. It's been a blessing. It's been a blessing, you know, to be out there, you know, with the guys, man. Love the energy, man. The locker room, man. We bond together is different.

And, man, I can't wait to hit the, you know, first week with these guys. Mm-hmm. Now, what's the excitement going on this season? Man. Where is it? Like with Drake, with the office and line, or just as a whole, with Vrable being there now? Does it feel different from the last two years? Yeah, I say as a whole, man, you know, very, brave is a very, you know, players coach, you know.

Be on the field with us, man, playing on defense, you know. He knows it all. So it's like, man, he has the group, like, trust in the process, you know. I feel like we all, like, behind them and, you know, ready to go to war for him. Mm-hmm. How's Coach Braves? Man, good. Man, he, like I say, good guy, definitely in tune to what we're doing on, I mean, in, you know, in season and, you know, out, you know, not in season out, but, you know, with, with us in life.

Awesome. Yeah. We're talking a lot about Coach Braves on all our episodes with all the players, but I feel like, yeah, he's going to make a difference for you as well. but the coach, I feel like that's going to make the biggest difference that's the first year coach is offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. What do you see Josh brings to the table, you know, this year than what you were seeing the last two years? And he was also in Billy O's offense. Yeah, so tell us the differences of these three different offenses.

I mean, Billy O's offense is kind of very similar to McDaniel's offense. It was. So what do you see different with McDaniels, though? I mean, because he's a genius. He knows his exes and owes like no other offensive coordinator out there. And that Billy O and McDaniels were Julian and I's offensive coordinator when we were at New England. So what do you see? I think with, you know, Coach McDaniels, he really harps on details.

You know, and he doesn't, I don't care how good you are or no matter what, like these details need to be details. And as you train to keep doing that and you start to do it, you know, you get on coach good. side, you know, and he, you feel me? And he's that, he's that guy, you know, he's that guy who, who's going to call it up. And you've seen him, you know, with you guys, and you, you know, you bought. So we just want to, you know, do what y'all did and hopefully, you know. Consistency as well. He really loved consistency.

You know, you can do it once, but if you can't do it again, then he's not going to call the play. Right. He calls that play a couple times for you and you can knock it off, you know, and you can ace it in practice. He's going to be so confident to call that play when it comes game time as well. There's no doubt about that. How's Todd Downing as a coach?

O-TD. That, man, he's a receiver coach. No, receiver coach. You know, he was a quarterback coach and he sees, you know, what the quarterback can see. You know, say if we run a route, he'll tell us, like, when you do this, man, the quarterback sees this. And we don't think like that, you know, as we're running our routes. But, you know, as he tells us that we're like, oh, you're right. Like, say if we got a out route and we red zone and we got a, you know, why would I go past the linebacker and get out of the QB vision?

So it's like stuff like that that, you know, TD help us see, you know, maybe somebody else wants to see. So, you know, and like I say, he's that guy who cares for you on the field and off the field. All right, let's get out of football talk for a little bit. You can get back to a joint. What do you like to do on your days off? Like, you get a day off, man, you know, do you like to just chill? Are you a video game guy or you just hanging with the fans? You got kids.

What's going on with you, ma'am? I ain't got no kids. All right. Yeah, I'm on the game. You know, I love to play, like, all my friends so I can talk. What game? NCAA, Madden, 2K. I like a sport game.

FIFA? I play Fortnite, too. Fortnite? Yeah. MLB. I got into MLB. MLB. Yeah, it's tough.

The game's tough. I'm not going to lie to y'all of the game. It's tough. Who's your favorite batter or the bat with? Oh, I don't know. I ain't going to. You just pick a team. You don't even know who to play.

I just go to like one of the best teams. Yeah. Who's your Madden team? Patriots. Patriots, are you throwing to yourself at least 30 times a game? Definitely. That's what I used to do. I ain't a lie.

Yeah, I do. Did you ever play with Julian on Madden back in the day? Yes. I did though, but it'd be crazy though. Like I said, like I'm sitting here right now, I used to play with a game with you, boy. That's dope. That is dope. That's cool.

Take us inside the receiver's room. What's the dynamic in that room? Who's the vocal guy? Who's the jokester? Who's the veteran? Let's educate some of these people on who's in this room. Man, we got so many different personalities, but it all comes together on the field. I'll say, Steph, you know, that's the vet, you know, and he doesn't seem it all.

So he definitely, he don't let nothing slide, you know. That's what we needed in that room. We needed somebody who's not going to let you slack and don't let you do nothing. And also, that's Mac Hollins, too. Matt Hollins, that's a different breed. I ain't gonna lie. When he's on the field, he taught smack when he can back it up. Like, you know, that's what we need to on the field.

Man, he might be somebody who break the DB down just by saying something. You know, some people probably don't got the mental. Booty, y'all see him from, you know, that when he was our rookie year and, you know, he had to sit out, then not look at his ears. He's bawling. He bought in and he's trusting the process. I feel like that was one person I would say that I've seen grown from our rookie year and up. And you got the new K-dub. K-dub, he different, man.

I don't see him ball. And I watched his film and I was like, oh, yeah, we can use him. Every aspect we can use him. But his personality off the field even better. Cheers. That's my boy. Oh, cheers. Yeah, cold. He cold, man. And he bring that, he pushed me. You know, on the field, he helped me not get complacent. Not saying that I would, but he, I see him work. I'm working. He see me work. I know he's working. So it's like, the better I am, the better he going to be. The better he is, the better I'm going to be. So I feel like both of us, we're just pushing each other because he can ball.

Who's taller? Chis or Julian? I don't know, boy. Julian, what are you? A 5'10. Oh, he might be, yeah. He might be 15. Oh, they say my butt, who's more chiseled?

Chis or Jules? Sorry, Jules. Yeah, Jules are skinny right now. He just had neck surgery. He hasn't been able to work out. Next surgery. Y, Jules, these young bucks are more chiseled than you, man. I can't call you boxer rip anymore, man.

What are you going to do? You got, I got to get, you know, I just had a neck surgery. I'll give you some slack. some slack right now, but by end of this season, you better be more chiseled than chisle. I'll be not fat. Or else, I'm coming back at you. I got you. I got to pass right now, but, but what about me?

Do I got to get Jack too? He do. What are you? Fast, though. Yeah, you got him. Looking kind of skinny. Yeah, I am. Is Tyler Warren more jack than me?

I haven't seen him. Yeah, good. Like that. From Penn State? Can't compare me right now. Yeah. He's pretty jacked, isn't he? Yeah.

Yeah. What's the chemistry like, you know, with Drake May? because year one, you know, you're figuring each other out. What's it like going into year two? Because when I was with Tom, my rookie year, man, I was all over the place. There was chemistry, but there really wasn't. And then finally, I got up to his level going into year two. And, boom, we just hit it off.

So what do you see different from this year, you know, going into your second year with him? Confidence. You know, I don't feel like nobody can take that field without that confidence. And I feel like as I've seen him grow, he's been, you know, getting playing faster. you know, playing faster and more calm. He back there, you know, sitting back there, oh, my bad. Sitting back there and, you know, throwing dots. And that's what we need from him.

And just to be, you know, calm back there and, you know, deliver the ball and, you know, call the right, you know, right things. But he's been doing this thing and becoming a leader. He's been a great leader, you know, for everybody, not just offense, but office and defense. And I feel like he got the guys that we're going to fight for him too. Mm-hmm. Throwing dots. I haven't heard that in a while. I like that. That means you're throwing some freaking bullets if you're saying throwing dots.

Yeah. He's hitting it right on then. I like that. So you're going into your third year. Would you have 64 catches last year? 68? It's 60-something. 60-something. Yeah. You know, you know those guys? Nah, that's why I know. But you had a good year. I feel like he truly doesn't know how many yards. You know how many yards you had? 600-something. 600 something. I like that.

I like that. He just knows. I know like the beginning number. Yeah. So who, you've had a lot of production for your, you know, for your first year with the rookie quarterback. That's good production. What are some of the goals that you want to go into year three, second year in a new system with Josh McDaniels, second year with Jake May. What are some of like individual goals for you?

Be consistent, you know. For like every game, just go out there and, you know, just do my part. and not try to do like extra parts, just do my part. And when the ball come out of way, come out of way, make a play. You know, as I carry that ball, I'm carrying the whole New England. So I feel like, you know, there's a lot of weight on my back, so I got to go. Who told you that one when you're carrying the ball? You're carrying all the hopes and dreams of the whole organization.

Yeah, I know about that. Who told you that? Bill. Bill. Oh, Bill? Oh, I forgot. You were on their bill. Three.

He's got three. Oh, my bad. I forgot. I was like, is Rabel using that line? I knew guys, too. so yeah you you were what bill is last year that is correct oh man i i didn't i didn't really put that together holy crap yeah bill that was one of bill's favorite loves i'm gonna use that for the rest of my life too yeah like even when i'm on air like you know before the you know on the fox you know pregame kickoff show i'm like

fox the whole organization of fox is on my shoulders right now like i got to come through with some great analyzing that yeah analysis yeah analysis analysis analysis analyzing sounds who's gronc terms Who are some guys that you looked up to when you wanted to become a receiver in college when you were younger football player? Who are some of the guys you mauled your game after? Tave on Austin. A beast. Before every game, I used to, you know, put that one video. It started to do, nah, nah, nah, nah, I swear.

Every, man, I used to go to the game. I swear, I'm out there thinking. Tavon Austin trying to get too jiggy. Coach just telling me, go for a week. And, man, I feel like that was one guy who really, who I used to watch before every game and go out there and play. You ever meet him? No. You haven't met him yet?

No. Well, we have a good year. You're going to go meet him probably. Then you get to. That'd be a blessing. He'll be a honor to meet you now. That's a blessing. Yeah.

That's what's up. You're going to have a breakout year. I'm feeling it. I appreciate that. What are you doing different from last year to this year? Or you're just growing just because you're just growing? Yeah, I think I'm growing. You know, that first year you're really learning.

That second year, you know, a lot of, a lot, everybody really, like, focused on you, like, man, he has to do this, have to do that. And then, you know, I'm, everybody's expectations different than probably mine. You know, I'm, you know, every year just trying to get better. Every year trying to get better. So, you know, like this year, man, I'm working. Like, you know, off-season, that's been my. I've been harping on it. Like, this year has to be better than the last.

And I feel like as I, you know, what I do off the field is going to show on the field. So I just got to go on. Like what's consist of work? What do you mean you're working? How do you work differently this year than you did last year? I'll say, like, mentally too. Like mentally, you know, get my mental better as of, I wouldn't say that I have, like, not mental problems, but like just for me to. Julian does.

I had them, but I got out of that era. Actually, I still got some mental problems as well. It's a red flag if you don't have mental problems. You'll see. After about year six, seven, eight, you're going to start giving us a call. Y'all, I'm going mentally crazy. Just call Julian and I. We'll get you through it.

I'm going to just how y'all, if I, you know, get something like this, have you all my podcast. All I tell you right now, you do well on the field, and this kind of stuff comes. you got to keep the main thing, the main thing. Facts, there we go. That's the truth right there. That's true. But that worked. So, like, what did you do in your off season?

Did you look at all your, like, I look at every target of my, that I was targeted, every catch I had, every, you know, ball that I didn't do well. Did I look at all my run blocks? Did I look at other receivers around the league and see how they got open? Did I look at a guy that, you know, what are some of the things that made you think that you were working hard? I say working on the things that was probably what probably I struggled with, you know, in the previous year. When I watch film, I do like to go, you know, watch and see what I've done, you know, and what can I get better at?

So it's probably little things. So I actually, for this year, I went back to my rookie year to go watch my rookie year and see, like, before, you know, Josh, before we even, like, got together, my watch this. and try to remember the plays. Like, just to, I just remember that the plays used to be the same. And when we got to camp, they was low-key the same, but it's just different terminology. So I was like, man, this is going to be great. So I was really just more locked in, you know, choosing whether to go somewhere or, man, just chilling the house and, you know, vibe and, you know, rest my body.

And I felt like that's been really been taking me a long way. I tell you, just from someone who's been in this offense and who's had to grind, the number one thing for me was the better I knew my playbook, the better I knew my concepts, the better I knew my formations, my personnel groups, the better I knew the coverages, the better I knew the tendencies of the defense, the better I knew what they did in every situation. Then then I got to use my superpower. And I had a, you know, everyone's got a superpower. Your superpower is quickness. You know, your superpower's explosionness. So the more cerebral you get, that's when you get to use your superpower. You look at Gronk.

He didn't even know the damn playbook the first year. And then, you know, and he still was unfair. And then he learned the playbook. And then it became unfair. And then it became super unfair. You know what I mean? Because that's the ultimate difference once you get to this level. Everyone's fucking good.

The guys that separate each other are the guys. that really study the game and understand the game and understand the rhyme or reason. Why are we doing this? Why am I running this read route with this in cut right here? Oh, we're high-low and this guy. Oh, so you know what I mean? So like that's the stuff that always made. I don't know if I can speak for you, but for- You can speak for me, no doubt about that. And I always said as well, if you're thinking you're beat. So if you're thinking about what type of route you're running, you're thinking about your release, while you're beat right off the line of scrimmage already.

That defender is just going to get right up in your grill because you're a second behind. And when you're a second or even a half second or one-tenth of a second behind, the guys are so good in front of you as well, boom, they have the advantage and you're never going to get open then. So if you're thinking, you're beat, know your playbook and you just go out there and do what you've got to do

and study them throughout the week. So when you see the coverage, you're not even thinking about you. I got this. I know what to do. when y'all um new y'all gain your confidence like like win like your game or year or uh that's a good question i've talked about it plenty of times before but there's always this one route it was called panther route and it was get big in the end zone you know and tom's coming to me and we're in the red zone and it's step one yard into the end zone box out the linebacker and get big like you don't try to do

anything fancy gronk that's what coach bellich billy oh always took to me Tom. Just get fucking big. That's what you are. You're trying to be faster. You're trying to be quicker. Well, guess what? You're not. Yeah, yeah. You know, you guys, they're hurting my ego. Then finally, you get rid of the fucking ego. All right, I'm going to get big. And then I showed it

in practice, you know, it was like what, week eight or nine, my rookie year. You know, I got big. Boom. Tom put it where he needed to put it. I made the catch because I got big. Box out the linebacker. Game comes versus Chicago Bears rookie year. It's snowing all over to play, snow game. We're

dominating. I'm going versus an all pro. Erlacker. Hall of Famer, Brian Erlacker, guys, 260 pounds. One-on-one, third and 12. We're in the red zone. Grock, this is the play. Tom looks at me. Hey, it's Panther. You know, get fucking big, he says in the hollow. Get big. Do it like you did on

Friday. Well, finally have some confidence in you, because I was all over the place, man. I was making some great plays, but then running some wrong routes, thinking I should do things my way. And I'm like, all right, I get it. They want it done how they see it, which is right, which I thought my it was right. No, it's not. I get big versus Erlacker. Tom puts it right there. Catch it. Do a little

dance. Fucking gronk spike it. Snowflakes all over the place. And from there on out, they had the confidence in me. So that was a great, great freaking feeling, man. That's tough, man. For me, I would say my first game, I got confidence when we played against Philadelphia, housed a pun. I had an opening kickoff tackle on kickoff team. But it's not like, the confidence stayed there. I had to continually earn my confidence. And I earned my confidence through my preparation. So like anytime I felt like,

if any time I felt the funk and that I need to gain confidence, I would just go do something productive to my game. I go catch 1,500 balls. I go, you know, do some kind of footwork drill, work the top of my routes, go walk through by myself, so I know the fucking NASCAR terms.

Like it's nothing. You know, that's how I gained confidence. It was always through preparation. But once I knew I could play the game was that first game. Once we got there, you know, I was like, I could play this game. But then I had to continually, because there's ebbs and flows. You know, everyone goes through the highs of the highs. And everyone looks like a jackass on film, too.

You know, so it's like you got to continue to gain that confidence through the grind. Right. You know, that was for me. One more quick question. Who's someone on the Patriots that we should keep an eye on? Ooh. When my air, I mean, I remember Danny Woodhead came in. I'm thinking pop.

And we had a... I'm calling pop. I mean, I am too. I was hoping he said his own name. Yeah, not a fact. Let's just say Pop Douglas. We're going to keep an eye on you. I just need y'all to get you out popcorn ready.

There we go. That's what I'm talking about. That's the answer we're looking for. Get the popcorn ready. Jack, Kyler, you guys cooking it up. I love it. All right. This is part of the show where we take our patented questions for the system.

for the system of what kind of dude you are. We have these series of questions that we got patented by our patent lawyers. Yeah, we're only allowed to ask you these questions. Yeah, they're quick hitters. There are a series of questions to determine on what kind of dude you are in the locker room according. And there are five different categories of what type of dude you can be. And we're going to put you in one of the categories. You can be multiple categories, but what represents you the most?

We got whiz, we got being a dude's dude, which is basically being a locker room guy. you got stud you got freak and you got dog and you got dog so we're going to figure out what one you are let's start it off with something easy yeah easy cheesy um who's your favorite non football athlete uh brun brun lebron james lb james lb jay lbj that that's a that's a freak yeah got to go brown so you're a freak already i can tell oh oh man what's start recruiting were you coming out of high school zero zero star oh yeah you went to liberty yeah don't worry julian was too i went to kent don't worry um that was a four star oh i know dude i was a beast uh frickin i was the size back to the question i was the

question we know what any stars you are dude i love we know how you fucking stars you are i love we're all the same level we're all in the nfl right now dog it doesn't matter what you were in high school about where you are now in the NFL. But I was a four. All right. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Probably Stefan. Stefan Diggs.

Yeah. He's still, he's young. He's young. Stefan Diggs. Yeah. All right. What do you got, Rob? All right.

Oh, what's your fastest 40 time? 4-3. 4-3? Where was that? The combine? Hand-time. Can I take the hand-time? If we go laser, 4-44-4.

4-44? Dude, that's a big difference. Jay Z. That's a big one. 4349 on the laser. 4.4. I mean, not laser on the hand time. Yeah, 439 and then 444.

I'm going to count the head time. Was that what, at the Combine or your pro day? No. Or just in your backyard? Combine. Combine. All right. 4-4-4.

College GPA. You're not going to talk about it? No, I was like a 3.2. 3.2? Smart kid. Yeah, smart guy. Yeah, smart athlete over here. Yeah, we like that.

Student athlete. Oh, yeah. Liberty. I don't play. I don't play. Yeah, that is a smart school. Yeah, they don't play no game. I didn't get into there.

I was trying. Yeah, you're a full star. They weren't, you weren't even looking at it. Yeah. Oh, man. Whose posters or poster did you have on your wall growing up as a kid? I used to have the, I didn't have nobody poster. I had, like, the camps, like the games.

Like, when, if I go to a Florida game, they give you, like, the poster. Yeah. They got the schedule on that. Yeah. I used to put them up on my, uh, and make it look like I got like recruit. Yeah. I did that too. Yeah.

All the letters. All those letters that were sent to your email? Yeah, I had letters. Yeah. But they never offered me though. Yeah. No, they were never offered letters. They were just like, hey, we're looking at you or they was something about the school.

And I just posted up on my wall. And then you got offered probably the next day. No. No. I was just some of them, but not all of them. I just thought it was cool to have, like, the ladders. But what was your, what was the school that you would, like, make sure that schedule was up there? It was Florida.

You love Florida, huh? He loved Florida. Yeah. We play with a lot of Florida Gators. Yeah. You're cooler than all of them. Appreciate that, you know. Yeah, my cousin was Brandon James.

He played for Florida. So that's why I was really into, you know, the gators. Into the gators. All right. All right. Jules. A couple more questions. A couple more questions.

We almost know what type of dude you are, but we're not there yet. Do you know what type of dude you are? Yeah. What are you? What are you think? Oh, shit. Okay. Come on.

We're trying to figure it out. I'm not. My bad. Thanks. You're back. That was a question. That's a new one. That's a new patented question.

What type of dude do you think you are? So. All right. What was the song on your high school highlight tape? Didn't have a song. No song. You didn't need one. It was on like Max.

I mean, Huddle. Yeah. Huddle. Yeah. We had my, Yeah, I had the huddle. Instrumentals? Yes, definitely instrumentals.

But it was like, I couldn't even tell you what the instrumental was. Highlights were so good, didn't even need a song. No, it's the second guy from a newer, like a younger generation. I think that they don't, we used to make our own highlight films to send them out. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you put like your own song on. A infringement of songs.

Yeah, we'd infringe the hell out of songs. Yeah, so you can't put a song on anymore, or else you got to pay. How do you mean how we make it? How did I make the video like? You would, so you would download the film onto your computer, and then you would rip the film and put it on a DVD. Y'all had to work hard. Yeah. Yeah, I had to work hard.

We thought the guys before us had to work hard when they used to have to cut their own film. When they remember, that's how it was. That's crazy. All right, two more questions. If you were a car, what kind of car would you be? Oh, this is a good one. Car. I'm like a Uris right now.

Uris? Yeah. What's a Uris? I've heard of it. Is it the three-wheeler? No, the Uris, what that is? The LAMBOR, Lamborghini. Oh, the truck.

I don't know, SUV. Yeah, a little SUV? Yeah, yeah, Uris. Those things are compact. They're very fast. Yes. Built for all weather. All-wheel drive.

Mm-hmm. Got one. Dang. Speed on it. Turbo. Then the last question. how do you eat your steak Pop

Medium well Medium Well With utensils Bare hands It depends If there's no more Forts and spoons

Yeah And what if there's like Some meat left On the bone Like you got a rab With a bone You're just picking up That bone

With your hand Yes That's good That's good Give us a couple Second Here pop We got to go over

Uh Don't think like Where we're we're just having a meeting over here. I just wait up here. No worry, Julian is a little weird. What are we got? Yeah, it's weird, but just pretend it's not.

Went to Liberty. We ran 439 asteris hand time. 4.5 flat. No, no. He was 448. 4444-4-4. That's a good JZ song, 4-444-4. GPA was 3-2, smart guy.

He's a smart guy. And then he's got like one of the facts. He thinks he's one of the fastest SUVs on the market right now. That's right. And all terrain. All terrain, but also speed go that. But that time doesn't match up with that car. It does a little bit.

All right. Maybe some days he has turbo boots. Yeah. Don't forget the turbo. Yeah. Yeah. All right. On three, one, two, three.

Pop Dog. Yeah. Not Pop Dog. pup dog. You have a lot of dog tendencies. You have the dog in you, but you're still a puppy. You need to see one more year of it. We need to see one more year of it.

And then we're going to have you come back on and we'll determine on what kind of real, like the dude you really are. But everything, you come from Liberty, FBS, S-E-S. You were a zero-star. Zero-star. You had 60-something catches last year in a year where there wasn't a lot of production from the receiver room. So you have production. You got that in you. We just got to pull that puppy out of you.

And after this year, I think we can officially stamp the dog on you. And you were a Florida Gator fan. Those were dogs. They were dogs. We played a lot of them. Yep, we did. And you look, that era just watching them. Your era watching that, you know, program, freaking absolute dog, savages.

But y'all call me like, pup, dog, because of my height. No. No. I swear, y'all be attacking you. I'm only like two inches tall on you, bro. You're not that short. Just because you're young. That's how they're young.

You're a puppy. That's how they do you in the locker room. You're young. Somebody will be an inch taller. Yeah. You'd be like, little. Nah. No, we would never do you wrong like that.

You just tell them I'm in the same locker room you're in, buddy. That's right. And I came from Liberty. Where'd you go? Oh, you went to Alabama? Come on, man. Come on. Come on.

So we got Pup Dog by Pop. Pop, anything you want to plug? Mm-hmm. Yeah, Instagram. What is it? You know, Pop Shot of three. Pop Shot? Yeah.

Yeah, and I'm also, I'm also coming out with this thing. thing called pop quiz Pop quiz Yeah man I went into Boston You know Asked the people A couple questions

You know about the Patriots And so it's gonna be It's gonna be nice Where do we find pop quiz I'm gonna be posted on Instagram It's gonna be soon I'm gonna let everybody know When it when it come out

But it's gonna be good So you're gonna go on the street To regular people And pop them with a quick quiz Pop them with a quiz That's gonna be fine Can you like preview it a little bit? Can you just ask Julian and I one quick question?

Yeah, real quick. If we know the answer. Come on. Let's hear it. Pop quiz. Let's see. Um. Pop quiz.

Pop quiz. Because there's only one game that somebody did this. Okay. What Super Bowl? Who was the person who scored the game winner in Super Bowl? James White. Correct. Wait.

Wait, wait. Who was the person who scored the game winner in the Super Bowl? James White. of the Patriots era. Yeah. There's plenty of Super Bowls. You got a... The game winner, though.

The game winner. The game winner. Is he the only one to ever score the game winner? Yeah, in overtime. I think so. Holy shit. See, I'm learning. I don't even know that.

Came down and cracked them. Got to get the play started. Come on one more. Come on one more. I want to win. I want to win. I want to win. Let's see.

It's round y'all era. This is not fair. Okay, let's see. We should get the pop quiz. Facts. who, who, name three players

who wore at number 12. Oh. Tom Brady. Yeah, I don't know that too, though. In Patriots?

Yeah. Grogan? Does Stephen Grogan wear it? No, no, I don't know. Oh, you don't know? Oh, you don't know? No. Is it three Patriots or is it just three 12s?

I would think, yeah, I would know. Three Patriot 12s. Well, for like half the goddamn. So you're pop quizing us, so you can get some information. That one. Yeah.

Pop. I think the guy that wore 12 that we played with played for like half the din, the team's existence. So time when he was 20, time when he was 30, and time when he was 40. That's a good one. Yeah. That was good. Them are three different people.

Those are three different people. But somebody actually answered it. Who? Somebody don't know. And they knew? Yeah, they knew it. All right. They knew it.

Wow. I can't wait to see this. That's a fun concept. up. Mm-hmm. Pop quiz on Pop's Instagram, which is... Pop shot of three. Pop shot O three.

Pop shot three? Shada. Pop shot of three. Yep. Go check them out. Thank you for coming on, bro. Thank you, I appreciate you. It's been a pleasure.

And we're going to be rooting for you, man. We want to see you do well. Man, I appreciate so. Dominate out there this season, man. Stay healthy. Go from little pup dog to freaking full grown dog. No, to Pop dog. Pop dog to full grown.

No, pup dog to pop dog. Change the you for a nose. People's heads off. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that's been another episode of dudes on dude. Thanks again to Duncan. And thank you again to Pop Douglas.

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