Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Wild Cards

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

It's NFL Playoff season! In honor of last weekend’s Wild Card games, we're talking about some of the wildest dudes in NFL history. Gronk and Jules start the show by giving an update on the LA fires and the status of The Nuthouse. Our first dude loves futbol almost as much as football. The next dude is so iconic he only needed to go by his initials. Our third dude was a ballhawk that was always a threat on special teams. We wrap it up by ranking some of the LEAST wild dudes in NFL history. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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As you can see, we're not in our normal studio. The Nut House is okay as of now, though. Thank God. Ladies and gentlemen, the Nut House, once again, is okay for now, but it is in an evacuation zone. So we had to evacuate, and thankfully we and everyone on our team is safe and evacuated for now. Over 100,000 people have been displaced. Lives have been lost, and thousands of homes and structures have been destroyed because of this crazy fire. Our thoughts are with everyone across the region affected by these unprecedented white.

wildfires. This is a tragedy. And if you would like to, you know, help those impacted by the fires, we have a couple resources right here, a couple websites that you can donate to. The first one is the California Fire Foundation.org. That's cafirefoundation.org. We got the Los Angeles Foodbank.org. That URL is lafoodbank.org or, you know, the big organization that everyone knows of, the Red Cross. Cross organization and the URL for that is red cross.org. Please donate to one of those three, $5, $10, $15, $100, depending on how rich you are. Any cent helps. Anything will help and it all adds up in the end. And Jules, I know the Nut House, you know, which you're the owner of the Nut House. I live in the Nut House.

You live in the Nut House. I live in the Nut House. How have you been holding up, bro, throughout these tough times? Dude, it's been such a crazy week or five days, six days. I can't even tell you what day it is. I've been off the grid for four days getting my house prepped. I've kind of documented a lot of it. And I think we'll have some stuff going out on social, on all our platforms that show that.

The Nut House is in Brentwood, which, you know, the fires got to Mahaland and Mandaville, We are the next canyon. First off, you got to say that the first responders, man, these guys and women are freaking studs. What they've done out here. I'm just telling you guys, this is, everyone keeps on saying apocalyptic type shit. And it's that and more.

My daughter's house was in another area. We were evacuated in my area. We're across towns. All of a sudden, they had to evacuate with the sunset fire. then there's the hearse fire this was like the craziest thing no you didn't feel safe anywhere in the city when did you get the evacuation notice we got it a few days ago we didn't leave a few days ago we had we had to we had to get some stuff ready for that i felt like kevin mccalister getting my house ready for some goddamn burglars what did you do to protect your house i put i just tell you right now

there's there's a sprinkler hidden every square inch of my property i got sprinklers i got six sprinklers on the roof. I'm sprinkling in the back hill where the fire could come if it were to come. There's been ash everywhere. I've been breathing in this stuff. We've had masks, but not always. It's been crazy. I mean, I've been taking my little dirt bike up to the top of the hill every couple hours when I was still in the zone to see the fire. I mean, I could see the fire coming from a distance. Every couple days, it was a canyon closer, a canyon closer. You're seeing these planes, these big old 737s with the retarding in it, dropping. I mean, these are huge planes, fucking huge planes that are like, I'm not joking,

maybe 200 feet above these houses, just dropping. We got some footage of that. They coming right over the nut house, right over the nut house. I'm on the sprinklers, shirt off, got my mask on, water and everything. All of a sudden, I'm thinking I'm getting hitting with red shit. I'm getting red shit all over me almost. I mean, it's been that crazy. Jules, you're making it sound like a war zone, man.

It was a war zone. I'm glad you're safe, brother. I'm glad you're safe and you finally evacuated. I feel like you were the last one left on your street. Is that true? I was probably, yeah, we were the last. You know, if law enforcement are listening to this, I don't know what they're talking about.

We were the last. I'll tell you one thing, though, Rob. I've been in Boston for 13 years and that's my community. That's our community. We, you know, we grew up there pretty much as young adults. Yeah, it's a home. It'll be a home for life, basically. You know, I've been out of this California for so long. This is the first time I've really seen this area go through something.

I mean, we had the bombings in Boston where you saw our community come together, you know, at the marathon. There's been other things, you know, this is the first time I've seen like a tragic event come to this area that I've been living here full time now for 18 months. And I've been really impressed with the amount of help that people have been giving just a random people. I mean, you drive up San Vicente and there's a line of cars for all the people that lost their homes trying to get back into the palestates. And these people are all breaking bread, drinking coffee. No one's going completely crazy, even though they're going back to see if they can find one thing from their burnt down house. I've seen firefighters from everywhere. Vegas, Oregon.

I've seen them from northern California, Cal fire guys everywhere. There's Mexican firefighters that came in. I think we got like 50 or 60 guys from Mexico. We got guys from Canada. The amount of help that has been coming to the area and the people and how they've been treating each other, you know, it's been really comforting and it's been really cool.

I mean, this lady came from San Diego. I've been glued to the television when I've had reception because once I was in the nut house area, no power, no reception, been off grid. So, like, I take my little dirt bike and I would go to, like, where I get a little reception, throw on my YouTube TV and throw on the fire watch stuff, the footage, just from all the news outlets out here, which have been doing a great job covering to give us information on these fires. It's nuts, man.

It's honestly one of the craziest things I've seen, but the only comforting I have, I've seen from this. The thing that it comes to me is just like people are helping people. And that's, we're going to do a lot of that. As Americans, we'll get through this. Well, I appreciate you sharing your stories through these tough times, Jules. And I know if you've done a great, you know, a couple great things out there as well to help out these firefighters. We have no snacks here at this house.

Can you please explain why? What did you do with all those snacks, Julian? I mean, you're not worried about yourself, which is great. No. You know, you're worried about your house. That's the least thing. And you're more worried about the firefighters. I love that we can get some laughing out of this because we need it.

It's been so fucking crazy. Laughter always helps out no matter the circumstances. And it's not too, it's not, you know, too soon to laugh. No. It's been a couple days now. And it's not over either. It's not over either. But it's good to be here for a little relief, a little laughter.

Because I know you've been going through some tough times. And actually, as well, you've been telling me about how you've been breathing in so much smoke and how your lungs are possibly a little damage. So I wanted to help out as well, and I treated you the last two days to an IV vitamin bag. We've been taking NAD treatment. You can flush your toxins out. You've been breathing that air.

So I'm just trying to help out as well for you, Jules, because you saved the Nut House. That Nut House is not safe yet. Yes, but you have. God forbid. You have done everything so far. These goddamn Santa Ana Wins are coming off the goddamn mountains. But you have done everything so far.

If you even go close to your house, if a burglary guy is trying to come to your house, he's going to get soaked and he's going to run away as soon as possible. That's how many damn splinkers you got around and on top of your roof. You know, what you're saying, you know, there's a firehouse right down my street, and I was leaving for the day today earlier when I snuck in the evax zone, didn't sneak in, have a media badge, media guy. Literally had to show my Fox badge. So Fox, kudos to you, got me to my house.

Fox gets you in anyway. So I had a bunch of Amazon packages because I always like to get a bunch of snacks for the Nut House. And I'm talking our snack drawer is crazy. Every time you walk into the Nut House, I'm talking, like you got 15 options of snacks. People like to work with good food. Yes, they do.

You don't go hungry up in the House. No. So, you know, I was leaving. We got all this food and I took it all and I dropped it off the firehouse for the boys and the ladies that are fucking putting their lives on on risk for to save our houses to save our our our our community you know so that's a little that's a little thing that was just like a whatever you know but once again guys go to cafirefoundation dot org or la foodbate dot org or the red cross dot org because i'm telling you right now there

there are so many people that have nothing they've lost everything and everyone wants to sit here and say oh it's just a bunch of movie stars All these rich people, this. That's fucking bullshit, okay? That's fucking bullshit. There's a bunch of everyone out here that regardless of what you are or where you come from, there is people from all sorts of backgrounds that have absolutely nothing now from this fucking crazy fire. So if you guys can go out and please donate to help these people, go take a picture of your house.

Go where all your memories are made, your family's lives are made. made, your kids were raised. Just go take a look at that stuff and then pretend it's never there again because that's what happened to thousands of people out here. And I can't reiterate how this doesn't even look like reality. We didn't feel it was appropriate to deliver a dudes on dudes last week because of this. So this is our wild card weekend, dudes on dudes episode. We felt like it'd be really crazy if we didn't talk about the fires and just deliver it. So we wanted to have a segment to kind of talk about it, to give it a soft launch for this week's episode. Lastly, before, flying over LA, did you see it? I actually didn't see any of the

fires flying into L.A., but it was very foggy. It was very smoky out there. And you couldn't really see the transparency of visibility. You know, wasn't so great. I couldn't even see the mountains because it was so smoky. on the plane actually had their windows up and they were filming out the window too just to you know try to capture some of what was going on so you know you can send it to your friend you know back on the east coast just so they can see the realization of everything that is going on here in l.A but it's just amazing what the first responders have done here all the firefighters policemen keeping everyone safe keeping all the looters out of the houses as well and just thankful for all of them big time without them this would be out of hand

Have you ever seen the movie, This Is the End? Remember when you see all of Hollywood on fire in that movie? On Tuesday night of last week, it literally looked like that. There were fires in all directions. I can't describe it in any words because my vocabulary A sucks and B, I'm still hyped up from this shit. And the NAD got me feeling really good that you gave you. I can tell, man. I can tell.

So. You're rolling, baby. You rocking and rolling. So guys, we miss talking. We haven't been able to get in the nut. house. We miss talking to you guys. We miss communicating with you guys and we appreciate it if you guys

were to look into the organizations once again. C.A.firefoundation.org, L.A.foodbank.org and red cross dot org. And I want to share one last thing is something that I, whenever I sign an autograph, a lot of the times I'll put on this saying tough times don't last.

Tough people do. You've got to believe. And that's what I sincerely believe in my heart with the rebuild of everything that's going to have to happen in this community. These times are tough right now, but as long as we are tough, we'll get through them, and you always got to believe. I actually stole that quote from you. You used to say plenty of times in the locker room, Jules, and every time I go and visit

a kid at the Boston's Children Hospital, and I'm making a video for a kid as well. I always, you know, take that quote that you taught me back in the day, back in the heyday in the locker room. Hey, hey, kid, let me tell you, tough times don't last and tough people, but tough people do. and you're one of those kids that will be, you know, lasting because you're a tough kid. You're a tough SOB. So I appreciate that quote, Jules. You got to believe.

We'll see you guys soon. Keep sticking with us. We appreciate and love your support. All right. Let's get into the show. Wild card dudes. Wild card dudes. Let's go.

One of the wildest moments in the locker room is when we walked in and Matt Light put an actual live duck in Donald Thomas's locker from after practice. He opens up the locker. He's terrified. there's a f***in' live duck in there. That was like one of the wildest things I saw. What about when I showed you my mangina? That was usually at 7 o'clock every morning. That was wild.

But I thought that wasn't a wildcar moment because it was so consistent. It was predictable. Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Rob Grankowski. And I'm Julian Edelman. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. And since it's wildcard weekend, we're talking about some of the wildest dudes

in NFL history. Who are we talking about today, Rob? A pioneer in TD celebrations. How wild was it when he went to Dallas and did the Star thing? Maybe a guy that should have a freaking Sharpie deal. Signs the ball. After a touchdown takes out of his sock.

I got Jules' autograph, do-da, do-da. And a dude with one of the best nicknames ever. First off, the name change. You got to love it. He was one of the most entertaining players. He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone. and then we wrap it up by building a Mount Rushmore

of the least wildest dudes. Jules, I'd never seen you wrap it up, but you just did a great job wrapping it up. Good, good, good job, you wild dude. Let's go. Dudes on dudes is a production of I-Heart Radio. On today's episode, it's Wild Card Weekend, Rob. Sure is, man, that's wild.

We love wild things. Because it's Wild Car Weekend. We thought it'd be great to talk about, some dudes that are absolute wild cards. What's a wild dude? A wild dude is someone that's fun, spontaneous. You really don't know what they're going to do next. It can be good or bad.

Unpredictability, 100%. That's actually the best word to describe a wild card dude. But wild cards bring everything to life. They bring the energy, you know, to the stadium. They bring the energy to the locker room. And they bring the energy to the people that are just sitting at home and watching them on TV. Who's a wildest, dude you've met ever.

Are we talking football player? Anything. All right. Here's a guy. Richie incognito. He's wild. Wild card. I'm a Richie fan.

I mean, you know, guys wild. I met him at a party way back in my party days. That's wild card. He's a wild dude and I wildly loved him. Still will never forget a stupid fucking rookie fine. Yep.

That's a wild card type fine. All right. Who else is wild? Nico Cudavides. He's a wild card. Yes, he is. Love that. guy. He's a locker room guy and he's wild and he keeps that team together. No doubt about that.

Who else is there? Who's one of the wild? Oh, Rick Flair. I met Rick Flair when I was at the Monday night football game in Tampa this year when I was the, whoa, I was the captain of the crew of the fans. They called the fans a crew there and I was a captain. I was on the pirate ship, you know, waving that knife, just scaring everybody, not the knife, but the sword. I was scaring everybody. that was a pirate. I was a wild dude. That was a wild card having the bucks let me hold that sword and freaking go up and down with it, you know? So what's the difference between a buccaneer and a pirate?

They're kind of the same. I would say a pirate is more scary. A buccaneer is kind of like a good pirate. A pirate is someone that's vicious trying to take over anything in sight. So is a pirate like a wild card buccaneer? Yes. Yes, exactly, actually. That game, it was a first.

first time I've ever met Rick Flair. He was wooing all over the place, but he's a wild card. Tons of great stories that I cannot tell here on air. I would have to let Rick Flair tell those stories, but man, what a legend. I looked up to him growing up as a kid when he was in WWE and every other wild thing that he has done, but he's a wild card and I love it. I love this theme, the wild card. Let's jump into it. Why don't we? Well, hold on first. What's the wildest thing you've ever done in a locker room, Jules. Wildest thing I've ever done in a locker room? I don't, nothing, I...

I don't have any... Come on, Jules, you fought like 20 of your own teammates. Yeah, but that wasn't in the locker room. That was in the practice field. That kind of counts as in the locker room. I don't remember. I mean, you're right. I black out on my wild...

There's really no wild moments actually in the locker room. They're kind of more on the field. I think one of the wildest moments in the locker room is when we walked in and Matt Light put an actual live duck in Donald Thomas's locker from after practice. He opens up the locker. He's terrified. There's a fucking live duck in there because they call him the duck. That's a wild.

That was like one of the wildest things I saw. What about when I showed you my mangina? That was usually at 7 o'clock every morning. That was wild. But I thought that wasn't a wild car moment because it was so consistent. It was predictable. All right, I guess that wasn't a wildcar moment then. I guess I'm not wild.

I got to do something else. You did wildcar movements on the field. Yeah, yeah, I sure did. The ping pong games in the locker room were pretty wild. Those were wild. But they're kind of predictable. You know, we knew they were going to be intense games, competitive. See, we can't remember the wild car moments.

We need to get like Jim Whalen on here. He would be able to give all the wild moments. He remembers them all. And he says he's going to write a book about the Patriots one day. And he said he's going to dedicate him. a couple chapters to us. Love Jimbo. He's been there for a long time.

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This dude was born on January 9th, 1978, and stands at 6 foot 1 and weighs 192 pounds. He was drafted as a wide receiver in the second round of the 2000. and won NFL draft and played wide receiver for the Bengals, Patriots, Dolphins, and the Montreal. Aluettes. He was a four-time all-pro and the NFL receiving yards leader in 2006. Originally from Miami, he played college football for Santa Monica College and Oregon State University.

Off the field, he's known for flamboyant personality and antics, including a name change, reality TV appearances, and an active social media presence. Wow. Jules, who do you think we're talking about, buddy? Let's get on Chad Ocho Sinkgo. Ooh, and what's the first thing you think of, Jules, when you hear the name Chad Ocho Sinkgo Johnson?

The first thing I think of, one of the wildest card moments or wildest moves ever, it was we traded for Chad and we went into the, we were installing the offense. And during installation, Chad O'Shea, our coach, you know Chaddeo? Yes, he goes, All right, guys, we got everything. It's all good.

You know, just don't be seen. I'm going to let you out of meetings early. Don't be seen. We still have a team meeting. Don't be seen. We have a team meeting. So clear this up. You got a lot out of meetings early, but we have a team meeting still?

We still had a meeting after. So we had like an hour and a half for a meeting until the next meeting. But Chad had to get some shit done. All right. We got everything installed. We had a pretty smart room. And so he let us out early. well Chad thought it was smart

and this is Chad's like first couple weeks there he thought it was be smart to leave the facility and on the way out poke his head into Bill's office and asked if he wanted anything from Starbucks and so that's wild that is what do he think it meant to not be seen like to not go on Twitter to not post a picture online I think he was just new and he's still trying to be friendly

and the whole thing. But like it was a total accident. Total accident. And then, you know, the next time we had a receiver meeting in the room, O'Shea was like fucking, he got ripped a new asshole

because, you know, what are you doing, let guys out early, this, that, it just was a whole thing. Just a wild, like he didn't understand, but that's what I thought of, like, man, Chad's crazy.

The whole kiss the baby thing, the whole, it's real. He just, he just, goes off of what he feels. Off of his instincts. What do you think of when you think of Ocho? Well, first off, the name change.

You got to love it. He was one of the most entertaining players, you know, in our generation while we were growing up. Yeah, for sure. Cincinnati Bengals, that's for sure. I truly believe he's a Bengal for life. He played for a couple other teams after, but 100% bangle for life. He kind of put that wide receiver, you know, position on the map in that era that

continue the street going of, you know, of being kind of, you know, spontaneous, entertaining. Entertaining. A little bit of drama as well, but also so good at the game of football that he can pull it off and, you know, not be a problem child at all. In some cases, I would say possibly, but just overall he was so good at the game of football. He was so quick that he could pull off all that dancing that he was doing. He can pull off all that trash talk that he was doing.

He could pull off all those antics. off the field during the offseason that he was doing going you know playing soccer with the mls teams kicking extra points as well during the preseason games i mean this guy had talent and he had so much talent that he could be a wild card dude whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that he had and you got to appreciate that as well because it's just cool man to see just someone be themselves that's who he is you know it's not like he was doing it for a show which it was a show but he was truly doing it because that's just how he was born. And you got to respect that aspect of his game and of who he is.

He was like the first guy with a million followers on Twitter in the NFL, I think. Tom absolutely hated that he was on Twitter because he was Mr. Twitter. He had like three million followers. The second highest person was like 200,000 in the NFL. And this is in 2012. He got traded to the New England Patriots and he was always on Twitter still. And Tom and Coach Balliachuk were just always grilling. and I'm like, oh, get off freaking Twitter,

get off Twitter. It doesn't help you in the game of football. But it never really, like, really, I would say, what am I trying to say? Affected his game. Twitter was just, back then, they just acted like it did, you know? Yeah.

But we just did things differently in New England and he didn't, he didn't. He didn't comply to it. The funniest, the point is where I'm getting to is now Tom is Mr. Instagram and Mr. Twitter now. And so, like, or Mr. X. so that was the point I was getting to. Tom, Tommy's my track.

Well, another thing, it was always known that he loved McDonald's. What's your take on that? I mean... That's kind of freaky that you could just eat McDonald's and still do that. He ate McDonald's for most of his career and he also said it helped his body like callous for football. Yeah.

I guess, I mean, there's only one guy that could possibly do this. I mean, there's a lot of players that sometimes, you know, not sometimes eat fast food, but I'm talking like... Chad did it on a daily basis, breakfast, lunch, dinner. And I saw him. He went to that corner store right on Route 1 right next to Gillette Stadium. There's a McDonald's there.

Yeah, it's the half. It's half in the... McDonald's half-licker store thing. He would go there and he's always in the drive-thru. And I saw him one time he pulled up and he was eating the fish filet sandwich. I like the fish filet, though. What's your favorite thing at McDonald's? The coffee, bro.

You like the coffee there? They got legit coffee there. I don't really eat McDonald's. If I do, I get a double cheeseburger and I just take the patties off of the bread and I just eat the hamburger patties with the cheese on it and just smash them. I mean, I think it's safe to just eat the meat, you know. What about the McGrittle? Oh, breakfast. They got legit breakfast.

Sausageage and tea. The pancakes? Oh, the pancakes are on fire. So I'm a breakfast guy at McDonald's. Yeah. I'm not going to really eat, you know, their lunch or dinner. No Big Mac? No Big Mac.

Like, if I do get the Big Mac, like I said, I'm just eating the patties only. But it's just impressive, though. Chad ate that McDonald's every single day. Every single day. All the time. His body was just a machine. I mean, I guess if you get used to it, your mind is just going to know what to do with that type of, you know, nutrition. So hats off to Ocho Cinco.

He's crazy. He would like race animals. Didn't he race a horse? He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone. Chad is so, what? Do you think you can beat a horse in a race? No, no chance.

I mean, would you ever race a horse? no chance a horse and i have one thing in common jules and i'm not gonna tell you what it is i just use your wild imagination i i get i understand thank you i understand thank you well he raced a horse for a charity feed the children you know he had a hundred meter start and he beat the horse which you know props to him he's silly always just doing silly things man he did silly things but what people like when we were plan. He had elite feet. Like his footwork was quicker than anyone I knew. And we caught him on the tail end of his career and he still had some really insanely

quick feet, meaning he could get in and out of breaks for how tall he was at 6'1. He was a real, he was a skinnier guy. But usually when you're 6'1, it's harder for you to get in and out of breaks. But you watch his comebacks, his releases. like he was always the separation king at the top of route, at the beginning of route. He was an elite receiver. Now, with all the antics and stuff,

we all remember him that because that's probably because he didn't win. But he was a fucking elite receiver that had a lot of production for a long time in this league. He was so quick. He had the best releases in the game as well. And like you said, I think he was the quickest play. He had the quickest feat in the game of football. I was like,

pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, bum. He would go side to side with it as well. So I'm sure he's a great line dancer as well. He won dancing with the stars. Did he? Fourth? He came in fourth. All right.

There's one thing that's always certain, he said, and that's death, taxes, and 85 going to always be open. Always open. You got to love him for that. And he was always open. Besides when he got to New England, he was struggling a little bit there. Why do you think he struggled?

I just think he struggled because, you know, just a complicity of the of the playbook a little bit. I feel like he had the freelance to do whatever he wanted to do in Cincinnati. And then when he got to New England, it was more of a structure. Like, this is what you got to do. This is how you get open. It's not like you're going to be able to just freelance to play backyard football. I feel like he played backyard football a little bit more with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Tom wanted it like that, but possibly he wanted to do it like that. But he couldn't do it like that because Tom wanted it like that. I mean, it just didn't really work out to the T that. You know, we wanted it to. Obviously what Coach Belichick wanted it to and as teammates as well. But there's one thing, though, that we know. We got blessed with the presence of Chad Ochosenko for that whole entire year. And that's what is more important is just to be around a great dude and just to see, you know, how he carried himself to, just one of the greatest wide receivers of the game.

Do you have any stories about Chad? We went out to dinner, actually, during training camp. And he was just a great character, man. He always got the waitress wound up. up you know he got her wound up cracking jokes like you know where'd you guys go we went uh toby keith bar and grill right there at patriot place and he would be flirting and then the waitress would be flirting back with us and like you're just such an awe because we were such young bucks and just how he was so spontaneous and so quick with his game like his the way he would speak and talk and have game it was like his feet

were running his mouth like blah blah blah blah blah just that quick you know and then what's so great about it is like he would leave her hanging though because he would give like an outrageous tip to her and then like didn't leave his number or anything like he would get the you know he would get the waitress he just he's just he's just outgoing he just likes to just he likes to push people's buttons I think exactly give her an outrageous tip and then we all just leave and the wait wait where did he go like oh I didn't get his number anything but he would just bounce then chat was so fun it was fun also could kick he had a big soccer background and I think that's probably what helped him with such great feet, quick feet that he had.

I mean, I remember Cincinnati, their kicker got hurt. He kicked a field goal. He kicked a couple field goal. I think he kicked a 30-yarder. He played in soccer leagues. I think he tried to play in a professional league at one point. He tried out for the Kansas City MLS team during the 2011 NFL lockout. And while he was trying to do that, I was doing my wild, wild dude shit, jewels.

I was at the University of Arizona during that lockout. And I was at the pool parties dancing up on the stage and everything. everything at the pool parties. I was freaking pounding beers. And everyone was like, oh, you're going to be in big trouble by Coach Belichick after the lockout. But what did I do? I showed up and I was just as wild out on that football field and training camp, baby.

That was my favorite offseason was after my rookie year because we didn't have to go in at all. At all. And I got to be wild as possible because I had a little bit of money. I was 21 years old. And I was just running around college campuses just being an absolute wild maniac. It was the greatest offseason of my career. no doubt about that. What did you do during the lockout, Jules?

I just told you what I was doing. I actually took a couple classes at Kent. I was in L.A., trained out here. Didn't we have like a fucking, we had like a couple team practices at BC during the lockout? Remember that? When Brady called a couple? We did.

We had about three practices at B.C. That was really cool. That just shows the leadership of Tom, just how wild of a leader he was. Tom wasn't a wild car. He was a wild leader. And that just shows, you know, why he's, you know, one of the, actually the greatest player to play. Could Chad kick the field goal kick of destiny for that you do everywhere?

Yeah, 100%. So easy. Yeah. He kicked an extra point in a preseason game, which that's a lot harder than kicking the kick of destiny. I mean, I don't have a line. No one's snapping it. The ball's just sitting there on a tee for you. And it's easy.

Just a layup and freaking I miss twice. So Chad, Al Jocinco, I actually need you for the kick of destiny. I'm actually not doing it this year, but in the future, I'll possibly be doing it again. So I want Chad Ocho Cinco as my coach or my replacement for the kick of destiny. Now, how far is the kick of destiny? Ooh, 25 yards.

So it's 25 yards. I was kicking it on the 15-yard line. And so how far do you think they would have to handicap Chad's kick because he can kick it better? So we'd have to bring... I would say he would have to kick a 40-yarder. A 40? I think he got 40 easy, though.

I mean, but no, he does have 40 easy, but that's the point. I've missed the last two years, so we need someone to make it now. Okay, okay. And we want him to make it as well for the fans out there and for fan duel and for just the kick of destiny.

But what about his TD celebrations as well? He was one of the best in the game. He wore the gold jacket that said, Future Hall of Fame, 2000, with two question marks as a post touchdown celebration. How about the cheerleader proposal? I actually got to take some tips from you because I'm now dating the cheerleader. I've been Chad El-Jonko.

So you proposed in the first freaking four seconds you met her, which is pretty impressive. So call me up. I need some tips, brother. And then he was putting the football like a damn golf ball as well when he took the pieline. Did you do that ever? I never done that, man. My craziest TD celebration was just spiking the ball.

or actually when I was, you know, the one in London as well, when I did the booty shaking. Yeah. That was pretty impressive. And you did, though, the soldier. I did, yeah, the soldier of guarding the Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace, while. Yes. Yeah, now he, remember he didn't he, he took the camera once and was filming.

This was like the full generation of overly celebrated, crazy, get your popcorn ready celebrations by receipts. receivers. Remember like Joe Horn, he was taking cell phones out. You got Chad doing everything Chad's doing, T.O. and his celebrations. I mean, just this was like the era where they were getting fine. They were, they were getting penalized for it too. They didn't give a, they didn't care. But it was still fun. You know, that was the no fun league at the time. It was. I remember that. When everyone was translating NFL as to be the no fun league because they kept finding Ocho Sinkle and all the guys that were being entertaining, you know, to the, to the fans. James Harrison or Ocho Cinco, they're fighting here soon.

Super Bowl weekend, MMA style. Who are you going with? It's MMA style. I'm going with, obviously, James Harrison. The thing is that this is how crazy Chad is. Why the fuck are you fighting James Harrison who, I think he knocked him out of a game once. James Harrison is a freak of nature. going to get a hold of Ocho Cinco and just break him in half.

Does Ocho think that he's going to box him? Ocho Cinco is going to have, yeah. Boxing is different story. It's different. He can be quicker. This is M.M.A. now. This is M.A. style. Like, James can put his hands on him and do whatever he wants to do to him.

James plays volleyball with like 80-pound balls. Remember when he throws it over the thing? Yeah, he does. So you know he can catch motherfuckers. Yeah, Ocho Cinco is wild. He's wild. I love it, though. Keep being wild, Ocho.

Time. Let's go. What kind of dude is. Chad Ocho Sinko, ladies and gentlemen. What kind of dude is Chad Ocho? Come on now. I wouldn't really say freak. I mean, his feet were freaky, freaky feet.

Yes. Dude's dude. Yeah, he was, man. He was all about the guys. He was. He brought us out the dinner. Yeah, he always invited us in New England, invited everyone around.

He was a dude, no doubt about that. Whiz? I wouldn't really go that far because like I said, I think he struggled with our playbook a little bit. A little bit. So did I. I didn't even play. my rookie year because I didn't know our playbook.

It's very... It's a very tough playbook. He's got a dog in him too. I mean, he don't care. He'll freaking challenge anything, anyone to anything. I mean, race to horse, he'll box you. He doesn't care. But I think he's, I think he's a stud.

I think he's a stud as well. I feel like that's... The feet. You know, where we're gonna pinpoint him. He's doing off the field now. He's just, he's a lovable guy. But he was always always. he always had a, he's a stud to me.

He is a stud. I mean, just the way, you know, he presented himself on the field and off the field. That's when you know you're studly, you know? Yeah. And he was so fast and he was such a stud that he had to race a horse because horses are studs. So that makes Chad Ocho Cinco a stud.

A stud keeps the girl waiting at the bar. Yes. Like he did. Yes. Knows that, you know, he could have probably took the little, lady on a date, but just did it just to, I don't know. He's a stud. Just to be a stud.

On three, one, two, three, stud. Let's get on the next guy. All right, let's do it. Who do we got? All right. You ready? The synopsis of Wild Car number two. Oh, buddy.

Standing at six foot three inches and weighing 224 pounds. This dude was a prolific wide receiver in the NFL, playing for the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Buffalo Bills, and the Cincinnati Bengals. Drafted in the third round of the 1996 NFL draft by the 49ers, he is renowned for his exceptional hands and ability to make plays. He ranks third in NFL history in both receiving yards and touchdowns. He was a six-time Pro Bowl selection and was named to the 2000s all-decade team, born in Alexander City, Alabama, known for his flamboying touchdown celebrations.

he was often seen as a decisive figure off the field. He was elected to the ProHop Football Hall of Fame in 2018. Jules, what wild dude are we talking about right now, right here, as wild dude number two? Let's get on T.O. T. Man. Was a wild dude. What's the wildest thing that comes to your mind when you hear of Terrell Owens,

a K-A-T-O The first thing that comes to my mind He's him doing sit-ups in front of his house On a sit-up, like, bench With all the media outside of him Was it during his suspension? It was during his suspension When he got suspended by the Philadelphia Eagles

And he looked yoked He looked yoked And he looked yoked What I remember that press conference That he did outside of his home When he was doing his sit-ups And I'm telling you, I was at such

In shock of how yoked he was and how ripped that I truly didn't believe that I could play in the NFL from there because I thought that's what you had to look like in order to catch passes in the NFL. Just yeah, absolute specimen, absolute freak of nature he looked like. The guy didn't have an ounce of fat on him. And I was like, damn, I want to look like that one day, man. That guy is ripped. Great smile too.

Yeah, he's beautiful. He is. He is. Freaking T.O. man, I grew up watching him and I saw, I mean, I remember when it just changed overnight. You know, he struggled with drops early in his career. And then it was that wild card weekend or divisional round game against Green Bay for Steve Young almost fell in his drop and hit him down the middle of the field on a split, split safety seam. And Terrell caught a ball in between three guys got crunch, made the play, they won the game. And like, from there on out, he just took off.

Is that the play that he, you know, start crying right after he made the casual? That just shows that someone loves the game of football as well. To have that type of emotion after a play like that, and then you're crying right there and then on the field. He's emotional guy. That's when you know you love the game of football, though. When a play can make you cry.

He loved, you could tell he loved football. Mm-hmm. He liked playing football. I don't know, but he didn't love, you know, there's a lot of the team stuff where, you know, he Andy Reid is considered probably the most like he's a big player coach right we from what we hear I never player coach that takes no no shit and he had to get him out and and they traded them in the division to cowboys that's crazy to me that's a wild move I've heard though if you go in

if you go that is a wild move against like your rival that's like one of the oldest rivalries in goddamn football Philly fucking cowboys and he was still elite like that's how much that's how much wild of a dude you have to be. He was wild in all aspects. He was wild, you know, playing the game of football. He was wild off the field. He was wild with touchdown celebrations. But he was also wild with

what he was going through when playing in some of the games, like the broken leg or the broken ankle in the Super Bowl. That's crazy. He literally broke his ankle. Like, or twist there or whatever it was. It was basically broken. He played against the pads in Super Bowl 39. What? He

he had what, I think like nine receptions for 120 plus yards. Yeah. From what I recall, yes, New England won that Super Bowl baby 24, 21, but obviously Philadelphia Eagles, they got us back when they beat us in, what, 2017? That's because Julian wasn't playing. Jules, if you were playing, we would have won that game. Yeah, you had no problem on offense that year. And what's wild about it, too, is he signed a waiver to go against the doctor's orders

in order to play that game because the doctors were telling him, that he couldn't play because of how significant the injury was. But he was so wild, so ambitious and loved the game of football so much. And he was so wild in his rehab that he got himself to the point where he was able to play in that Super Bowl. And like I said, I'm going to say it again, nine receptions, 122 yards. What, two weeks after breaking your ankle or three weeks or whatever it was? No, it was actually, I think he broke it. It was week 15.

So he had about four or five weeks to recover. and playing the Super. That's fast, bro. You got to give him credit, man. He's like one of those ultra competitors where like it doesn't matter what's going on outside the game. Whenever you put him inside the lines,

he's going to ball. And when I watch his film, he's a, he's absolutely a freak out there with how big he was, with how he could catch the ball. He looked like a tight end in the middle of the field,

but he's fast, he was, you never saw anyone catch Tio from behind. Who did he remind you of? He reminds me of you. I agree with that, bro. What I loved about Tio on the field, especially his young days, bro, this guy was strong. Strong. Long legs, strong legs.

And the most important thing was he never got tired. To be that size, 6, 4, 220 plus pounds, and to never get tired, yapping his mouth, doing his antics, going for over 100 plus yards a game. You know what I think that's impressive. What's it because of? Because he was drafted in San Francisco, and he saw it how Jerry Rice was. And Jerry Rice was the most in shape mother in the history of the goddamn game. And I guarantee, regardless of how in shape T.O. was.

That's a good point. Jerry was Jerry still. And then once, you know, I remember the day on Jerry Rice Day that freaking T.O. caught 20 damn balls on Jerry Rice's last game as a nineer. But like having that horse, that rabbit horse of what Jerry Rice was helped make T.O. how crazy Tio was because in the back of his mind he's probably thinking man that's the greatest receiver I'm better than him but he he saw how Jerry prepared so he probably took a little bit of that that's a good point man well said and and what also made

Tio so great as a football player as well he was so explosive so explosive it didn't matter if it was coming you know right off the line into the route or after making the catch he would just explode right up the field and he was so strong because you could tell you was so strong because like you said, he reminded me of me. I would just say a little bit skinnier and at the wide receiver position. So he's kind of like A.J. Brown. Yes. He reminds me of A.J. Brown.

And anyone that tried tackling him, he would just throw the defender right off of him. T.O. broke tackles. He broke tackles like no other wide receiver broke tackles. That's why he kind of reminds me of myself. It looked like he was a mini-mee just running through the defense. And he was so physical as well at top of the route. That's what got him open plenty of times. On top of having a deep ball and running by a defender,

that's what made T.O. so great. Special. And special as well. And that's why he's a top five receiver of all time. All time. He has to. Five. I mean, you watch his film on like five different teams.

Even when he was old guy, he was still making crazy play. I mean, he played in a professional game, I think, like four years ago, about 50. Like, he's still a specimen. Yes, he's playing in basketball leagues, celebrity basketball games. doesn't get tired and he's always he's always ready to go man he's he's never sore i feel like every time i see him he's just full speed how wild was it when he went to fucking dallas and and did the star thing well what was wild well that was when he was on san francisco he did the star thing that amit smith came back and did the star thing he's so freaking wild that he went

back and did it again after scoring another touchdown asked how wild t o is and he had dallas absolutely hate him and then what was so wild in the end is he got traded the Dallas at, you know, some point in his career from Philadelphia Eagles. And then they fell in love with him in Dallas as well because he was such a baller and so wild out there on the field. And had a freaking like 50 wild TD celebrations as well in Dallas. What other TD? I remember him doing the popcorn in the face. Oh, wait up.

He tossed me a ball real quick. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. Here, here, Jules. Oh, Tony Romo. Dropping back. Oh, hits Tio. Touchdown, baby.

Oh. One of the most famous one that we saw even influenced Christian McCaffrey on one of our episodes. When he was seven years old. Seven years old takes out signs the ball after a touchdown takes out of his sock. How fucking crazy is it kind of like when you took out the easy button on your fucking out of your out of the thing. I got he influenced you. I got Jules his autograph. Dude I'm going right to eBay, baby.

I need some money in my bank. How much will I get, Jules? Probably 300 bucks. Did he influence you? to take out the easy button? Actually, that is exactly who influenced me because once I saw the easy button in my locker when Staples sent it to me,

I actually was like, oh, I'm going to hide this behind the goalposts. No, he hid something behind a goalpost. That was Joe Horn with the cell phone. Ocho, what? Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Put it this way.

I was inspired by T.O. and Chad Ocho single combined, and that's what made me do the easy button, you know, celebration in practice. Two wild cards. Because of those two guys. And a wild card. They inspired me to be freaking absolutely wild.

So here we go. Sign football right here. Inspired by T.O. And we'll be giving this football away, everyone. One lucky fan. Best comment section in something. We'll discover what it is.

But you got to do something really cool. What else do we got to miss anything else? Yeah. What I really love about Tio as well and what made him such a beast on the field and so hard to tackle is the way he ran. the way he just got his knees up in the air. He ran with high knees. When you run with high knees like that,

it's hard to take someone out and especially catch him from behind. And that's why he looked like, what are those gazelles out there? He looked like a gazelle when he was running. And kind of like a horse as well. And that's why no one can catch him. And that's why he was so great, so fast, so talented,

because of those high knees, that drive that he had. How old is T.L. right now? He's 50. He still looks great, man. He still looks like a professional athlete. I saw him like maybe a couple years ago somewhere. He was cool as fuck. He still looked like you could go out.

What a fuck El Dorado is his middle name? El Dorado. Torel. El Dorado. Oans. That is a sick guy. I would have gone as El Dorado. El Dorado Owens.

That would have been a badass football name. Eldorado. Imagine just putting Al Dorado on back of a jersey. name. Eldorado. Oh, everyone would have that jersey. Why don't you give me some way? No, no.

That song. What's the craziest injury that you played through? I would say, I basically did the same thing. When I basically snapped my ankle in half, aFC championship game versus Baltimore Ravens, I came back in that game about 15 minutes later and played about eight minutes

with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. So that was one of the craziest injuries I played through. Oh, also I broke six of my ribs when I was in Tampa. I got level going across the middle. Tom set me up once again. I think we've had. Are we talked about that, didn't we? I don't know.

I'm not sure. I feel like we talked about that already. And I broke six of my ribs. And then the x-ray machine showed that I didn't break any ribs. So I went back in the game like, oh, I can't, I got to go back. And I can't, you know, be a, be a sissy. The x-ray machine said I had no broken ribs. so I go back in the game, get two more catches.

I'm like, I'm hurting, bro. I'm hurting. Like, this is bad. So I take myself back out of the game. We go home and then I get an MRI and I have six broken ribs. Jesus. So I played through that. That was painful.

That was painful. What about him and Ocho having a TV show together? I remember it was hosted by like Kevin Frazier. And it was on like a network we really never heard of. But what would our show be called? name. That's the T-O-cho. That's pretty good name. How about the T-O-C-O-C-T-O-C-T-O? Gronky nuts. Gronky nuts. I like it. Gronk and Jules. Gronkin Jules. And then last, let us know what you guys

think our show should be. Also, we'd be crazy if we don't talk about when he started crying about Tony Romo and that's my quarterback. You know how many times I've used that in just like a jokingly term? I've heard you use it plenty of times. That's my quarterback, man. What about his shades, though? Those are some pretty awful shades. I liked them. I thought they were swaggy.

I was not a fan of him. T.O. was, I bet you he's just a misunderstood dude. He's got a lot of emotions in there. I wonder what his upbringing was because he would have those bursts. You know what I mean? But you knew he loved the game. Well, what kind of dude is Terrell Owens, Jules? I think it's easy for this one.

I mean, he's, you could put him in as a dog because he's a dog. He's definitely a stud. Whiz. He's, he could be a whiz. I mean, he definitely knows the game of football. He was all purpose on the field.

I mean, he could take handoffs as well. He could line up. He could do everything on the field. Yeah, he was an all purpose football player besides a running back. But I think it's one thing and one thing only. Yeah,

I agree with you. I mean, this guy had unparallel physical abilities. I mean, he was one of one. His instincts were through the roof. I, I got to go.

On three, let's see if we're saying it. One, two, three. Freak! Absolute freak of nature. I got another question real quick, Jules. Would you cry for Tom Brady? I did cry for Tom Brady, but it wasn't in the same context.

It was when I read about him leaving New England and without, you know, reading it from him, I read it on ESPN bottom ticker that Brady signed to Tampa Bay. And then, you know, I had a single tear run down my... My beard. I just saw him three days before, too, Jimmy fucking Fallon at the goddamn Syracuse game. The guy didn't hint anything to me.

I feel for you, Jules. Would you cry for him? I have. Are you going to cry right now? Yeah. Let's see if you could, can you cry on command? I was crying, just thinking about all our good times.

We don't think. Is that a grown cry? It's over. I see a tear. I'm trying. I see a tear. I'm trying to do us. I just tried.

I almost got a tear. I almost got a tear. Wow, I almost got a tear. That was pretty good. Hey, pretty good. I think I'm not lying. I almost got one. That's my time.

I'm actually feeling more emotional now. Where did you go to get the emotion? I just thought about all our Super Bowl wins and how much work we put in and how it's all over. So that's what you pulled from to get the tear. I need to, I'm working on my tears. I just did an audition where I had to have a sex scene with the guy over Zoom. Oh, I would be cheering. Let's just be saying I didn't get the fucking roll.

That's good. I'm glad you didn't, Jules. God. You would be the definition of dudes on dudes. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, Here We Go again.

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He was known for his exceptional speed and agility, highlighted by a 4-38 second 40-yard dash. In his career, he was named to three Pro Bowls and a first-team all-pro selection. Before his NFL career, he made a name for himself at West Virginia University. Let's get on Pac-Man Jones. Jules, what's the first thing you think of?

When you hear to name Adam Pac-Man, Jones. Well, first thing I think of is Bengal formation. All right. Remember we had a series of formations. It was an empty formation where the F moved. So Tiger, our reminder, was Kevin Falk. The F was always Kevin Falk. He was in the slot. Yes. Brown, he was always outside. So you always knew where everyone was. The F was on the outside of the formation. for Bengal, we learned Bengal that he was all the way inside the formation because Bengals always went to jail.

And I'm pretty sure Pac-Man went to a couple of those things and he had a couple of those antics were, he was part of our learning of a formation. Who came up with that creativity? Chatty-o. Chatty-io. You know he said, Bengals are always in jail. I wish he shared that knowledge with me.

I would have understood the playbook a lot easier. Well, on that side, you were always on the back side. So the Y and the X were always, they didn't move. It was always the front side of the formation that had to move on that series of formations. That's how crazy our fucking formation was. But that's the first thing I think of when I think of Pac-Man, because I remember when we were installing this formation, Chattie O brought up, you know, Pac-Man got caught up at the strip club again.

Those Bengals are always in jail. That's just how you guys remind it. And I could tell you this. If you're a Bengal and you're in jail, you're going to be a tough SOB, that's for sure. And that's the type of player that he was out on the football field. He was tough. He could tackle.

I mean, he wasn't the biggest DB, but let me tell you, he acted like he was the biggest DB. He played like a linebacker. He was like, how did you describe it earlier coming off of the edge? He knifed it. So what he didn't. He wasn't just one of those plastic knives. No.

He was a freaking, a steak knife. He was definitely like a steak knife. So I remember a lot of the coaching plans when we'd have Pac-Man. They would play them into the, boundary corner. He'd be a boundary corner. And a lot of times, they would play a cover two. And Pac-Man would be the last, or he would be the outside edge defender.

So, like, we'd always have to worry. It almost looked like it was a blitz because he was crunching so much and he was knifing so much. But it was just, he was such an instinctive, smart player that he knew because of formation that he could go in there. So you always had to be on your P's and Q's when you had Pac-Man in the boundary because he was so elite in the run game as a corner. Like he was an unbelievable punt returner.

I used to watch him all the time as a punt returner because I would always like to watch the best punt returners in the league to see how they were getting open. And he was just such a fast guy. He knew how to, he had great field awareness, great field vision. He put his foot in the ground and he would go and he could outrun people. He was elite speed. I mean, you don't go six overall from West Virginia, which, West Virginia had a lot of players at this time.

You got to tip your captain of West Virginia. Pat White, you know, McAfee went there. That era was special. They had a lot of good players. But he went six overall at 5'10. You know, that's crazy. It doesn't matter if you have elite speed or not.

So that tells you how good of a football player he was. What do you see? I mean, he was scrappy. Talked a lot of shit. Me and him almost fought on the field a couple times. I mean, he've almost fought freaking 50 different NFL players out on the football field because he would get under their skin. I respected it, though.

Yeah, yeah, you definitely had to respect him because that was him. It wasn't like it was just coming out of nowhere. It was him. You know, and you got to appreciate that. What I really loved about him, too, just his ball skills, man. Whenever he was around the ball, it would be tipped up in the area. He was bringing it down with it. He had wide receiver hands.

And you want to kind of know what he reminds me of because he had so many returns as a kickoff returner and punt returner, but also when he would return the ball on an interception is that he looked like a third down running back. He did. He did. He did. with that ball, man. I feel like he could have played the running back position because of just how

shifty he was and just how his hands were. They were very, you know, very, uh, what am I looking for? Consistent of being able to catch the ball. So he was a third down back playing corner. And you talk about him like he was a middle linebacker. Like, but really on top of it, he was a great cover guy. Great cover guy. You know, great ball skills, like I said.

And like, this guy. Wasn't scared to get down and dirty. Scott, yeah. I got a little story. My rookie year, I mean, it was Pac-Man Jones out there. Why? Going one-on-one versus whoever he was covering and West was in the slot. And we did a quick pass to West. So, you know, at the, you know, lined up inside at the tight end position? You know how I bolt out there and I got to go block the DB? And this is my first game I've ever played. And I saw it was Pac-Man. I was like, oh, shit, do I really want to block this guy? Like, I don't know what he's going to do to me. I mean, all these stories about Pac-Man out there talking shit coming after you, getting under your skin. That was in the scouting report.

It was. It really was. It was in back of my head. But I was like, I screw that. I got to show my abilities. I got to do me. So I kind of ran at Pac-Man,

broke down a little bit. Got right into his chest, boy. Drove him about three, four yards, right to the sideline. West ran right behind me, scored a touchdown, baby. And I just turned around like, yeah, that's right.

I just blocked Pac-Man Joe, motherfucker. Let's go to the strip club, baby. Jules, you're talking about how you're fought Pac-Man Jones on the field. Well, what does a DB have to do to make you want to fight him? What was he saying to you? Or what did he do to you? Come on, Joel.

He was calling me white boy or something. You ain't got shit, no speed. He was giving, I don't, I don't even remember, but. I mean, it was pretty easy to get under your skin back in the day. Okay, Jules, not really. But if you pissed me off, that means I was going to go 110% every fucking play. So a lot of guys wouldn't do it because I was going to keep. keep it going but i don't know i remember one time i took a ball and pacman thought i was going to go out of

bounds and i kind of trucked him and he looked up and he he got up and he started talking shit to me because i i had like 30 yards and he was coming right he like he didn't have any momentum so like that person's going to win and i lit him up and he he looked at me he said some shit i forgot what he said but he said fuck you you still ain't shit dog or something i was like fuck you pack man I didn't want to talk too much shit to Pac-Bank, because I heard about the guns and shit. I heard about the strip clubs and stuff. So, you know, I didn't know if he would take it off the field. So he was like, what's up, Pac-Man, what's the dog?

But I love Pac-Man. We've got to hang out a few times. He's a fun dude. Like, and he's grown up a lot. I think he's great on podcasts and shit. I saw, I watch him on McAfee. You know, he's done very well off the field. And in transforming his is kind of.

His image. Like, we, when we were all playing, Pac-Man was like, he was a dude that was, he got in trouble. He got suspended and shit. Now, like, it's been awesome to see him re-image himself and become, like, he's working for ESPN for a while. I mean, he's Disney Channel. He's one of the only dudes that had the borderline antics of getting arrested, going to the strip club, and being known for all of that. And he's still in the media.

And he's, he's killing it. he's still a guy that people look up to because that's how good of a football player he was. And he owned it as well. That's when you know you're a great, you know, football player and someone who you know who you are because you own it. And when you own something like that, it's not like you're going to get canceled or written off. You're going to find opportunities that present to you. And that's what Pacman Jones has done for his life. And that's why he's on the Pat McAfee show now.

And he's doing a great job. And I love the Pat McAfee show. Yeah. Just speaking of wild cards, that guy's a wild card in the best way possible. I mean, that guy comes up with freaking dilemmas and notions like no one else can possibly do. And I love it. What's the Mount Rush more of athletes turn podcasters? Mm.

All right. Well, I would say, obviously, let's start with that guy right there, Pat McAfee. I mean, he was one of the first. He actually stopped playing football. Two podcasts. So he can get into that world. Yeah, he got to do podcasts. We all thought he was crazy.

in the media. Yeah. And everyone thought he was crazy. He changed the game. He changed the game. Yes. He took a chance. He was the ultimate wild card for doing that.

Hey. And let me tell you, he changed the game for all these other players that are, you know, after they retire. Yeah. And trying to find a second life. So Pat McAfee, definitely number one. No doubt about that. Let's just say a bunch of names.

Shannon Sharp's got to be on there. Great podcaster. Shannon Sharp, no doubt about that. Obviously the Kelsey Brothers, they're doing a great job. Is that it? There's only four on Mount Rushmore? No. Well, it's not even do Mount Rushmore.

Let's just name a couple. All right. Let's just have a category. A category. Top 10, top eight, you know, whatever it is. Kelsey's are fun. Yes, they are. They do great job.

JJ Reddick did great, man. I like Jay, he's not podcasting anymore. I mean, he's not a podcasting. Smart guy. I mean, he was such a good podcaster. You got a head coaching job out of it. Yeah, that's for sure. Brandon Marshall's legit.

I think you've done some stuff. I am outside the NFL. He's a freaking. entrepreneur. I'm very proud of what he's done. Big Cat and PMT, they're former high school athletes. Yeah, they are, man. You're right. High school athletes. And Big Cat and PMT, they're like one of the originals as well. You know, to start podcasting. I mean, if you look at Big Cat with his shirt off, I mean, you're telling me, he's not an athlete. I think he's handsome for a big guy. He is. He's got like good eyebrows. He got a nice beard. He does. Like he tries to play the fat guy. Oh, I'm so

fat and ungood look he's actually a handsome dude if he lost 30 pounds he'd probably be in fucking gq he's like one of those chubby guys that you want to snuggle he is yeah like and it's comfortable he's very snuggled yeah and warm you don't even need to like pacman jones oh yeah pack man yeah we're back to pacman you know another thing about pacman that that's not really known out there i mean he's he's a stand-up dude he you know he may he may have his antics and shit but as a human being he's a great dude. Chris Henry lost his kids. Pac-Man's raising them. Pac-Man's providing

for them. Pac-Man's the mentor for him. You've seen Pac-Man Jones growing up over the last 20 years. I mean, he's not the guy he was when he was in the first got in league going to strip clubs and shit. Maybe he is, but he contains it a little. But he's a fucking stand-up dude. You got to tip your cap to him, man. Yeah, shout out to Pac-Man for taking

on that role and doing he's a good ass for his friend, you know, that, you know, that, you know, passed away. That was a sad story. But also Chris Henry Jr. Pacman raised him and he's committed to play football at the Ohio State University. Jeez. So that's a cool story right there. And obviously learning from Pac-Man Jones, one of the most athletic, you know, sensational cornerbacks that ever played the game. You know, make sure you check out Chris Henry Jr. when he's at the Ohio State University. He's going to be a heck of a player, I bet. And once again, a wild card is not just

like doing bad things. It's just unpredictable of good, bad, whatever. And Pac-Man is the wild card guy. You know, he does some great soup. Does great things, does some wild things that you're kind of unsure of. But then he always backs it up by doing another great thing as well, another good deeds. Who are some teammates that you consider family? Well, first off, you, Jules, man.

You're definitely part of the family. I mean, we're all family, our podcasting team. We're all family here. Another teammate, Dola. Dola is definitely a family member. Nico Kudavides. I mean, Matthew Slater. We don't hang out with him as much.

No, he's like the older brother that, you know, just looks down at our actions. And making sure that we're doing the right thing still. Always still. And if we're doing the wrong thing, he's going to give us a call and say, hey, buddy, what you doing? Clean it up. Yeah, clean it up. Clean it up.

Your act is getting a little out of control now. Tom's kind of like older, big brother, too. Tom's like, oh, yeah, older, older, older brother. Older, older brother. That's making sure we're on the right page. Who else we got? Chandler Jones, man. Chandler Jones was my brother, man. I love Chan. Chan was the, he was the black rank and I was the white Chan, man, when we were in New England.

That's what we called each other. Without a doubt. I love Chan. I always consider him one of my brothers, man, definitely. No doubt about that. Niko. Niko. Ninkovich.

He's like the brother that you like, everyone has a brother that you bully. Yeah. Yeah, we do bully him. Well, what kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? Let's get it. What kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? He's definitely. I bet you he's a dude's dude in a certain way.

I bet you anyone that play with him loves it. I bet you he was a great teammate actually because he had wonderful stories to get everyone going. Hey, when you make you ready in the club, you try to make everyone have fun. Yeah, that's the truth. You make it all the point. You're bringing the energy to the table.

That's all it matters. No matter how you do it, you know, with whatever antic you're doing, you're bringing the energy to the table and you're amping everyone up. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude. Yeah. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude.

He's also a stud. He can't forget he was drafted six overall. he's fucking four three guy five 10 he plays like a linebacker 10 total fucking kickoff return touchdowns like seven pick sixes this guy was elite with the ball of his hand thank god he played corner um i mean he was he wasn't a freak i mean because a freak is you know there's the statute i mean he was freaky speed he had he ran four five at 50 or at freaky abilities but it wasn't like he was a six foot six corner no yeah so he got freaky's he had common size so that you know on three we know it is. Yeah, we do know what it is. One, two, three, dog. He's got that dog mentality. He's motivated.

He's motivated. I mean, a... You bite him. He's coming right back at you. He's gonna bark. He's gonna be a pit bull. He's coming back to you as a pit bull. And he ain't gonna stop until the fight's over. No, he's not, man. He's definitely a dog. Fucking Pac-Man, we got to compete against him a lot. And he was always, you knew you had to bring your A game against Pac-Man. Jones. I was barking out. Yeah, too, during the games. Whether good or bad, he was barking. All right. Since this episode's all about wild dudes, we're going to assemble our top five list

of least wildest dudes in the NFL, the least wildest dudes in the NFL. I think this is a lot easier than wild dudes because it's rare to have like a wild, wild dude do all his antics and then stay in the NFL and get away with it all. That's tough to do, bro. Like, I'm in that category, I would say.

You're in that category a little bit. Like, it's harder to be a wild freaking dude and still have a career. It is. So like these guys are lame that we're about to talk about. I can tell you that. And we'll start it up with Kurt Cousins. Yeah, Kirk Cousins is definitely not.

Definitely, he, one of the least wild dudes in the league. No, yeah, I love Kurt. He's so fun. I mean, you love these guys. He's a dude. But they're just not wild. I mean, he's not wild. You know that they're going to be straight A students right from the get-go.

Tebow? Yeah, yeah, Tebow. We know Tebow's not wild. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, he's just in that weight room. Matthew Slater, love him, but just not that wild. He's not, no, straight laced. Straight laced.

But played like 20 years in the NFL. Oh. Kurt Warner, bagging groceries. Yeah, yeah. See, see, wild cars are bagging hos. Dan Orlowski. Oh, yeah. He's so unwild.

Yeah. It's funny. The wildest thing he did in his career was step out of the end zone. Yeah. His own end zone for safety. Also, I, I, I hear him talking about jacking off or something. Wasn't he talking like it's bad to masturbate?

This guy needs to lighten up. Lighten up, buddy. Loosen up, loosen up. Loose and up. He's too straight laced. Get a little wild. He's so straight laced. He ain't loosening up anything.

He ain't playing pocket pal. He ain't living. That's a pretty good list. That is a good list. Maybe one more. Who do you think, Rob? Maybe your boy, uh, you know, we play with him. You were always beefing with him.

That, that safety that we had? Oh, you mean the most. The most company guy there is in the history of company guys. Exactly. The one who may have been an offspring of the head coach. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Who you're talking about? You know. Devin McCordy?

Devin McCordy. Devin McCordy. First round pick in my draft. Stole the shine from me that year. You know what? Dev. Dev looked, he used to make fun of the wild cards. Yeah, he did.

He looked down. He was arrogant against the wild cards, which he needed that. needed that but you know loosen up a little bubs loosen up a little he he definitely despised our party oh he despised it but secretly loved it there was always the married men and then that would look at you but you know then they'd ask a couple questions when everyone wasn't looking like yo was it how was it was off the chain dude yeah you can remember it was you missed out on the fool driving boat it was yeah private jet it was gnarly.

The New York City trips. Oh, you stayed home. Well, that's been another episode of dudes on dudes. What could we have done better next episode, Rob? We could have been more wild, Jules. I think we could have. Let us know. Let us know in the comment section. Please. Subscribe on Apple

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