Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Dudes on Wiz's: Mega Episode

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. Rob Gunkowski is somewhere relaxing on a beach, and we have something very special for you guys today. An all-wiz mega episode. And we're talking, the football mind. of Mike Brable. Bill always used to reference, like, you think you're smart. You're not no Frabble. Some hilarious Andy Reid stories.

It was 13 years old. He was just towering over everyone. Has anyone done more for football than John Madden? He said it. He made the game simple. And we're building the ultimate whiz in this week's chillest dude of the week presented by Coors' Like.

Stick around to the very end. Dude's on dudes. is a production of iHeart radio. Also, August 28th, 8 p.m. Mark your calendars. Live show in Boston. Let's go. Tickets are now available.

Yeah, they're almost out. Almost out. Ticketsmasters.com. Go get your tickets. Again, that is August 28th in Boston at the new MGM Music Hall at Fenway. Not like crazy new, but new to me. it's new to me it's i went to that thing with um adam

adam ray adam ray yeah that's a top notch venue i'm worried talking to the venue about being able to sneak around fenway too after or before or doing i mean you you you basically feel like you're in the movie the town should you come out in non masks i mean kind of tight kind of sick kind of tight i mean musula would love that missoula might come just to see us come out in those those masks and join us there's a lot of cool people we're talking to already, they're going to be there. Easy. Don't get me too excited right now. Don't get me too excited. We've got to get through this episode.

It's called Gronkin Jules present. Welcome to the Nut House. Cickets are almost there. Ticketmaster.com. Welcome to the Nutt House. It'll be a little hybrid action. Give me some fun. A lot of, a lot more audience interaction. Audience interaction is always fun. Fun night. It would be a great date night. Great fun night. Boys night. Girls night.

People night. I would say, you know, let's, you know, probably not for under 15. Yeah, that's probably right. 15. My 8-year-old niece is coming now. I would say PG-14, PG-15. PG-13 and a half. We're PG up there.

We're PG past 13, but not quite are. NC17. Something like that. It's going to be wild. A lot of exciting stuff planned ahead. Let's go. Click the link. Let's click it.

Ticketmaster.com. Ticketmaster.com. All right. Who's the next dude? You have your little AI ready. This guy? Hold on, Jules. Girlfriends text me.

You know, I got to answer. I want to be a good dude. He's a good dude. I'm a good dude. Say, tell Camille. I said hello. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

Guess what she's doing? What? So it's a 10 year anniversary for the Super Bowl that we won versus Seattle C. Oh, the, you know who we're doing right now next? Oh my gosh. Who are we doing next? We're doing Seattle. Wow.

And guess what Camille just texted me? Richard Sherbin. That she's literally crying right now while practicing because she misses dance so much because they're bringing back to cheerleaders do a half time dance routine that they did at the Super Bowl. Wow. Yes. Yeah, sorry Richard Sherman. You're not a back-to-back champ because of us. Sorry, boy. Are you mad about it? Is he mad? He's mad. He's mad. He's not mad, bro. Is he mad, bro? No, but is he mad, bro? What does AI say about our guy? Ellen Iverson, smart man. He can just read a freaking everything on the internet in a matter of 10

seconds. I always knew AI was the best of all time. He's the answer. He is the answer. Let's get on Richard Sherman. Wow. He was so good that. He was. He was so good that. He covers this whole page. He does. He's a Stanford guy. Richard Sherman is known for being a highly skilled and physical cornerback. Renowned. They use this word too much in AI.

Renowned. For his exceptional coverage skills, intelligence, and ability to read plays. Sherman was a key figure in the Seattle Seahawks Legion of Boom Defense. His lengthy frame and aggressive playing style made him a formidable opponent. in both man to man and zone coverage, right? Formidable, Jules. For dudes on dudes. I mean, if I say something wrong, correct me.

That's what a freaking good dude. That's what friends do, okay? But I don't know. I don't know how to read either. Sherman's leadership, trash talking. Trash talked? He definitely tried. You mad, bro?

An ability to make crucial plays in high pressure situations contributed. Made a lot of those. Yes, he did. Made a lot of those. We were just watching his highlight film, man. Woo. I forget how good he was. You forget.

His ball skills. Let me finish. I always just cutting me off. To make crucial plays in high pressure situations contributed to his reputation as one of the top cornerbacks of his era. I agree with AI. I agree with AI. Richard Sherman, we watched the highlights before we did this. And you forgot how many great plays he made.

Because that cast of characters, the Legion of Boom. He was a part of it. And there were so many good guys, but then we watched those highlights. His ball skills, he used to run routes for the receiver because he was so smart. Like, he's situationally one of the most intelligent corners. You could never throw a downfield ball against him. Like, that was like what I always remember. He always, he was a gambler because he'd always have those eyes in the backfield.

Like, he was one of those original guys where he'd play off and have his eyes in the backfield. And then he'd break on the guy. like Richard and then he'd always have the hands like he had unbelievable ball skills in order to finish the plays. You know, he just was a freaking stud. And he used to hit. What do you think? I would, if I was a young cornerback, I would give Richard Sherman a call and ask him

where he learned those ball skills. How does he track down a ball like that and make it, you know, and have an interception and make it look easier than a wide receiver. Well, he was a receiver in Stanford. Well, that answers my question. All you cornerbacks out there, they need to do more ball drills. Ball drills. I say all the time.

There would be literally like two or three more interceptions per game if these cornerbacks knew how to catch the ball. And Richard Sherman knew how to catch the ball. And that's why he made so many plays. And that's why he led the league in interceptions some years. So what year was that again? He definitely led the league, right? 2013.

Yes. They won the Super Bowl that year. Yeah, they did. And that's prior the reason why they won the Super Bowl. He was a literal genius of the game because he played wide receiver in college. He went to Stanford University. So obviously he's smart guy. Smart guy to go to Stanford.

All my friends that went to Stanford, Pac-10 guy as well. Shout out to the Pac-10. 4.2 GPA in high school. 4.2 GPA. Who is he cheating off? Come on. 4.2. I thought it only goes up to 4.0.

How do you get a 4.2? I think there's advanced classes that count as a 5.0. Makes no sense. I agree. I never knew about those ones. Advanced classes. Wasn't there either, Rob. That's why we have a podcast.

And that's why. That is why. Would you beat him in a math competition? I would. I'm that good at math. Come on. Give me a math problem right now. 46 times 20.

Oh my gosh. 920? Yep. Oh, Richard Sherman. Yeah, he would still be thinking. Richard Sherman would still be thinking. I don't. He'd be talking shit.

You'd be talking shit where I would have probably been thrown off my game and then he would And then he would have got, yeah. That's how smart he is, where he would have talked shit and been able to calculate multitask. And then do it. Like, that's kind of guy he was. I mean, we played against him the Super Bowl. And we jawed back and forth. And it's out of fun competition.

But you knew, like, when you were stepping in a game with Richard Sherman, you knew if you were going to be lazy or if your route wasn't there, he was going to cover you. And he was going to let you know that he covered you. Those are the fun guys. He was a freaking monster. Like, you watch just the interstate. exceptions he made is high pointing of ball skills that aFC championship game where he tipped it from crab tree in like the last like 30 seconds or 23 seconds 32 seconds one of the most impressive plays i've ever seen a cornerback make in a high pressure situation when that was for the

game that was for the game go to the super bowl that was a go to the super bowl he had a lot of those and what what made him so great made him stand out from any other cornerback was his height and his length he was six four he was kind of like randy mottie but as a cornerback. You know, and he had good hands, like, to combat. Great ball skills. But, like, to combat the quick guys to get him running side and side because he was so, you know, he's long. That's how you got to get those kind of corners.

You got to make him run side to side. He had such long, great arms where he could play at the line of scrimmage. He'd win at the line of scrimmage. He had football IQ. What about his physicality? Was there a play, I remember just watching him? I think Des Bryant broke off for, like, a 50-yarder. He was about to score.

And I'm pretty sure it was Descartes. Brian. Yeah. And he was in back of the end zone, you know, guarding his guy. You know, man, man them up. That's why the ball went there as Brian. They should have had him on does all game, actually. He came out of back of the end zone off of his guy and literally Des Bryant was one yard away from scoring. How to go in. Richard Sherman came out of nowhere and just laid the hit stick and made him fumble right on the one yard line. That just showed how physical and how much he just laid his body out on the line for the for the team. And, Also not to quit on a play.

Like the play could have been over. Des Bryant could have easily just gone in. And Richard said, you know, technically he won his play. His guy was guarded. His guy didn't catch the ball. But to come off his plaster and to make the hit at the end goal lines, it was like, you saw those plays all the time with Richard Sherman. He never gave up on plays.

He was smarter than you. He was longer than you. And he could talk better than you. And he had leadership. Like he was always vocal, very vocal. But the thing is he backed it up. every single time. He always said he's the best corner in the game,

which he was throughout that era, but he backed it up. And that's what you, that's what you, uh, Reeve was a little bit before him. He was like right at the end of Revis era, Revis Island era.

So Revis was in his own category. And then it was Richard Sherman, two totally different players. Two totally different skill sets. But, uh, Hey, Jules, you remember when you troll,

trolled them? I do. I do. Sherman. I do. You explain what happened and why you did it? The parade after we played him in 14, we won. Someone threw up a sign of like with the face after the interception.

And you know, you're just playing up to the parade having fun. I fucking threw it. I was hammered. Like it was all fun in games until someone gets hurt. But no one got hurt. No one got hurt. And you were hammered. So that's an excuse.

It was a parade. Anything goes. We just beat him in the Super Bowl. And Richard Sherman loves talking crap. but he can take it as well. I think he can. I know the guy now personally. I've talked to him a few times through Chris and Thompson because she does all the Amazon

and he's always been a really cool dude. He's doing a great job as analysts. I think so too. He's really good. A lot of insight to the game, especially at the corner position. He's not scared to be himself at all either. Never, never has been. And it was throughout his career.

You know, just with a guy like him, like you had to play hard the whole game. If you turned it off, he would smother you. He'd make that pick. If he saw Tom just slack a little bit in the pocket, he would be able to read them just like that. Because he played with his eyes in the backfield. He loved like he liked to play off that Seattle Six where it was like it was like a matched zone. So he could play off and he would see. He would read the quarterbacks and he'd come sloop on those seams and come steal them.

Last piece though, I play with Richard Sherman. My final year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Unfortunately, you know, he was at end of his career. He's a little wash like myself. He showed up. We had like eight corners down. We gave him a call. He showed up.

And I'm so glad he did, man. And I finally, you know, got to meet him in person and talked to him. He pulled his hamstring. I remember I had broken ribs. So we were reminiscing together about facing each other. And what a great guy he was, man. Great leader. Great guy to have in the locker room.

That's for sure. He's got tons of positive energy. He's a guy you love on your team, but you hate him. Yeah, exactly. He wasn't even playing. He went on the IR. And every time I walked in the locker, I'm like, I love Shermanator is on our team. Yeah.

That's how great he was, man. He just always chopping it up and always being a character. I love the guy. Whenever I see him too, great dude. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. What kind of dude? I mean, he was freaky.

He was like a random boss. Is he a stud dog? Whiz. He's kind of everything, man, because he went to Stanford. So he's a whiz. He was a dog with those hits. He was innovative as well. Because he, I think he hits that whiz.

category because his intellect was second to none. Like him and Revis are in that same category where they could run routes. Yeah, he was kind of a dog, though, too. He was a dog because he was relentless and motivated, always physically. We talk to you. I kind of want to go with Wiz, though, just because he went to Stanford. He went to Stanford. He was clutch.

The Wiz is always clutch. The Wiz is someone who innovates. They changed the position. The position used to be a guy that was probably no bigger than six foot, six foot one. I mean, those were huge corners back before him. He was six foot four. He evolved the position, especially in that Seattle system. He had him and Browner.

They love those tall corners, and he's a huge part of that, which that's how you take away those big receivers on the outside. You put a big guy like Sherman on him and they let them battle. And that's why the Legion of Boom was such a great defense as well. I would say that he was the leader of Legion of Boom. Over Chancellor? Yeah, over Chancellor. Chancellor was the guy that laid the Smackdown.

He smacked. He smacked. I think, you know, he was the wizard of the Legion of Boom. Same with Earl Thomas. He was a rocket, a torpedo. Torpedo. He laid the Smackdown on me a few times. But Richard Sherman was the wizard.

I feel like he got that, you know, secondary imposition. And also why he had so many interceptions and why he was such a great corner is because he knew how to play the game of football in zone coverage and man coverage because he was so freaking smart. He's a whiz. He is a whiz. He's a whiz kid. All right.

Let's get on to our next. Our next. Um, bomb bomb, bomb, put up the head shot. Ladies and gentlemen, our next tight end here on National Tidens Day,

who also started tight end you at Banderbilt University every year that I went one time because I failed after I went because it's the Harvard of the South. Hard, hard place. Yeah, it's a hard place. Very beautiful I heard. Never been. It is.

Greg Olson. Greg. O'Lson. Greg Olson. What is the, what does AI say about Greg Olson? All right. Greg Olson. Start the clock.

Greg Ocean. Oh, ocean. I like that. Yeah, well, his hair looks like an ocean. It's all over the place. It kind of looks like a hurricane. All right. All right.

Greg Olson is celebrated as one of the top tight ends in NFL history, known for his reliable hands. We were talking about that early. It's the most reliable hands in the NFL. This guy had hands. Yes, he does. And route running skills. Off the field, he has admired for his dedication to family and philanthropy, particularly through his heart test yard initiative.

Heart test yard initiative. Heart test. That's a handful. That's a hard test. That's a heart test. Heart test. Yeah. Oh, heart.

All right. Particularly through his heart test yard initiative, which supports families of children. with congenital heart congenital. Like we said, everyone, we don't have the best vocabulary. This is dudes on dudes. We're learning as we go. We're not perfect here, but we get numbers right, okay?

We get numbers right. AI's based saying he's for the kids. Yeah, we're for the kids. Yes. Olson made a significant impact on the Carolina Panthers, helping them reach Super Bowl 50 and becoming the first tight end in history to have three consecutive,

a thousand yard receiving seasons from 2014 to 2016. Wow. He holds the Panthers franchise records for most receiving yards. He's lucky I got hurt because I would have held that three 1,000 yard seasons in a row. But it's not about me. Why am I making about me? Tardins don't make it about yourself. Slot receivers do.

Yeah, slot receivers do. It's our little diva in us because we're not full diva, but we got a little diva. It's about Greg Olson here. He holds the Panthers franchise records for most receiving yards, receptions and 100-yard receiving games by a tight end. After retiring, Olson transitioned to a successful career in sports broadcasting. He's one of our teammates right now with the Fox team. He's really good.

Further showcasing his football acumen. He does have a lot of football acumen. I can tell you that. What is that like? Like knowledge. Knowledge. Another word for knowledge. Cinnamon for knowledge.

Not a synonymous. Synonymous, yeah. Cinnamon. Freaking cinnamon, right? Cinnamon. Yeah, cinnamon. I like cinnamon. He's tasty.

He's tasty. Yeah, okay. No, wow. This is bad, Joel. This is bad. This is dude's just being dudes out. This is what it's all about. Dudes just being dudes and just showing you who you are.

We're not perfect. It's cinnamon, bro. Yes. Cinnamon. That's same now for now on. Yeah. For now on. It is.

A. The English dictionary better change that word to this sentiment. Cinnamon. Cinnamon. Cinnamon. Now. Well, you want to know what acumen means? I kind of know that from back of my head.

I was reading a book the other day, I had the word. It's the ability to make good judgments and quick decisions. And that actually explains Greg Olson in his game. And that's why he had over a thousand yards in three seasons in a row because of his quick decisions. And when you're really quick at top of the route when you have a two-way go, like Greg Olson, his favorite route of all time,

he kind of runs kind of like diagonally to like the 10 yard mark where he has to go. And then the linebacker sitting there at a safety. And you've got to either split right like a bow or split in. What's the split in route where you like a middle read. No, no, not a middle read like kind of like a cross. No, no. You go and it's like a angle, an angle route. But it's at between a 10 yards and 12 yards.

You can either bow it or angle it like an angle at 10th. Middle read. Yeah. No, because it's not a middle read because you still a middle read is when it's double safety high and you can go in the middle. So he was so good at making that decision and being decisive of should he go out on the guy and the defender or should you go in. And that's where he made his bread.

and money. Bread and money. You just went full Will Ferrell in old school right there. Yes. Did you guys see that? That's his acumen. Did you guys see that? That's his acumen.

He literally just went. That's Greg L. He literally just went. He said, in old school at the fucking last thing where he competes the debate. Did you black out right there? I did black out. And like old school,

Will Ferrell was blacked out many times. Frank the fucking tank. No, Greg Olson, I mean, we threw on that film. And he's a lot more athletic than you remember. He wasn't like a guy that was going to kill you with his athleticism, but he had such great hands. Like he would go up and make those one-handers. He did a lot of one-hander catches.

He had great ball skills. And he was a very savvy guy as well. And he wasn't like he was small guy. He's 6-5, 255 out of the U. What's up with the U and the tight ends? Tighten you, man. Is that what? They were called Tighten U, man.

When I was a kid, Miami. Miami was probably, who's tied on you now? Iowa. Iowa's tight on you now, but the University of Miami, oh my gosh, they're producing tight ends left and right, man. Shocky. I love Miami. Olson, Bubba Franks,

Winslow. Oh my gosh. Joku is like the new school version of Titan U at the University of Miami. But man, who were they producing tight ends, man? University of Miami was, oh. They were on point. And he was, he was a track star in high school.

Yeah, he was. Javelin. Javelin. Maybe that's why he was so good at his hands because he was always using his hands and track. Throwing it? Yeah, just throwing like holding, you know, that javelin stick.

I've never met a javeliner. Yeah. I guess I have. Like, what do you do? How do you throw it? That's called a shake wake. Oh, shake weight. Oh, that's a shake weight.

Never threw a javeling before, you know? It's just like the spear. Oh. They throw it. Oh, all right. It's like a football try. Can he throw a football for it? Like being a gladiator and throwing that spear and just, boom, toss it 40 yards.

Exactly. Mm-hmm. That's been like in, so he did javelin. I mean, the first thing you think of, of Greg Olson, look at that. Oh, look at that. That's a good technique. What's good? He's young.

Look at that face. It's beautiful. He got that. He was defined in high school. I don't know what happened. Like, he's like one of the. those like tight ends with a dad body again. That's what made him last long. He lasted long. He lasted long. But he hit me up in high school. He hit me up during that that 3,000 yard or the 3,000 yard seasons.

He broke his foot. And I broke my foot. And I remember us communicating over the Jones fracture. That was the first time I ever got, you know, a call from him. And to watch him on TV, he's killing in the TV. He's really knowledgeable about the game. He, uh, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, fun. He's got that little dorkiness in him. He does. He's got that little dork like that. He plays it. He plays it off. He plays it off really well. He plays it. He's a fun guy to be around. He is. And he is who he is. Like he expresses who he is. It doesn't matter, man. That's why you love him. Man. That's what you love about people. He's not hiding himself at all. Never. No, never. And I trained with him actually. I remember what was really cool is that I was coming out of

the University of Arizona and we had the same agent, Drew Rosenhouse. And, Drew Rosenhouse had me called Greg Olson. He was the only player I called to ask about Drew Rosenhouse and also ask about the training process of training for the combine and all that. And I remember Greg Olson did give me some great advice, man. He said, hey, you're going to think all the little details are stupid, but make sure you do them all because those are actually the biggest things in the end. And I still remember that to this day that he goes,

do all the warmups, all the recovery things that you got to do after you trained all day. He says, just do all the details. of the little things and you will be fine. So thank you, Greg, for the advice, man. I remember talking to you on the phone and just the advice of going through the NFL process. He was the only player I talked to through that time. So good dude, man, good dude.

Wasn't, you know, looking out for himself, but he was looking out for me on that phone call, which was cool. You think he called Ledsoe after Brady replaced him? I'm in Rose mode. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hey, hey, Julian. I'm in roast mode.

Did he call Bletso? But, oh, because Bletso got replaced by time. There you go. Sorry. I'm a tight end. We're a little slow, okay? Tight ends are sometimes a little bit slower, but where personalities are just freaking awesome.

We are the coolest players on the field. They, I mean, we really are. Name a tight end that isn't cool. Exactly. you can't you're thinking about it that means they really are they really are you i know who's really cool dallas goddard i was hanging out with him at tight end you when i was actually smart enough to go because it's the hybrid of the south like we were talking about and like i was just hanging out with him i didn't even know who he was i like i know who delis gotter was but i helmet's it's hard

to know you had no clue what dallas got it ever looked like and like this dude had the hair flowing everything i was talking about him like this dude cool is shit and then like two days later I saw a picture of us online and it says like Dallas Godder and Rob Grancosky got it. I was like, oh my freaking God, I didn't even know that was Dallas got. Guys running 70-yard touchdowns.

I just thought he was coolest shit. And that's what tight ends are. And Greg Olson's the epitome of that. Just cool as shit. Yeah, he is coolest shit. Just cool as shit. Athletic. He had kind of that basketball stuff.

He wasn't a burner. He had great hands. He made big plays for his team. He went to a Super Bowl. He's got crazy stats. You know, he had the 3,000. yard seasons. What attribute the best attribute or characteristic that Greg Olson contained in his pocket,

his secret weapon was his route running skills? His route running. His route running skills, one of the best in the game at the tight end position. He'd like loo you. I always see him hitting that bow route. He'd marry his his routes together. Remember he was really good at that bow route? Remember of that cover four, I always see him hit in like the fringe shot where you're right, right outside the red area, the 20. And they'd always run that, they'd get cover four, and they'd run that post, and he'd run that bow route. And they'd hit him on that. I remember seeing that one, we installed something. We stole it from them because we were copying it. We liked the way they ran it. And he'd run that bow route and he caught it right on that one yard line.

He's really, I mean, he's a, he's an awesome guy. He doesn't, he doesn't care about his looks. He doesn't care about like what's going on out there. He just cares about being a good dude. Being a family man. And that's why I love him, man. I love being around him. He's always so positive.

And he can also, by the way, when I, when I train with him when I was young, too, the guy just never stopped talking. Never stopped talking. And it was always the best. It was always entertaining. That's why he's on TV. And literally from the first day, I mean, met him, I was like, this guy is going to be a commentator one day. He's going to be an announcer.

And then he actually landed perfectly in that spot after his football career. And when he signed with Fox, too, and I think it was like the first year he signed with Fox was like the first year I did when I first retired. I did a couple games as well. And I was literally just thinking my mind, just talking to him, this guy has landed in the perfect field for him. He's so good at it. So intelligent. Yeah, great storyteller. And he looks like Grizzly Adams a little bit. He's got an under he's got an under under under under what it he's got an under rated chin if grisly adams did have a beard yeah happy go more coming out number two's coming out soon yeah little mad at sandler for not hitting this up i know isn't you a new england guy now i don't samler new england

guy he's from new hampshire new england players but his family grew up in like i don't get it new york like and that's my favorite movie of all time yeah he is in it but we didn't get hit up we He didn't get hit up. I mean, I can't hate on Travis being in. I mean, Travis is freaking Travis. I mean,

he's top of his game. On the field, off the field, like, I'm just disappointed and Happy Gomor productions, I guess, or what is it?

Billy Madison. Billy Madison. Happy Madison. Happy Madison. Well, now we're giving him shout-outs and he didn't even want us

in his movie. I know. I know. We got no hate, Jules. No. We still love him and we're still going to watch

Happy Gilmore too. Oh, without a doubt. No doubt about it. And Happy Gilmore is still my favorite movie. I actually watched it about three weeks ago. It was on TV and I never turned it off. This is why I loved about Greg Olson too. You said he talked a lot.

He does talk a lot. And that kind of explains why he came out with a rap song. And it was good. It was really good. It was really awesome and explained a lot of details on how they lived life at the University of Miami, which was really cool. I was a big fan, no doubt about it. You were probably a big fan as well.

I never listened to it. I lied right there fully. But it was called the 7th floor. crew rap. Yes. And it was a legendary rap song by some of the Miami players in 2003. And they were just doing it, I think, as a joke from what I've heard Greg Olson say before, like just to have fun and it just blew up out of nowhere. But it kind of made, you know, the universe of Miami even more, you know, prominent in my mind, especially at the tight end position. One of his, I think what it was, his name was, uh, third leg Greg? Was his name third, third leg,

Greg? Well, scary weather was in it. Yeah. Scary weather. Yeah. Third leg, Greg, his name was. And John Beeson.

Oh, he was a beast, man. He was a beast, linebacker. That's fun. We got to listen to that. Yeah, we do. We'll put it out on Insta. We want to hear what you guys say in the...

So I'm in the floor. What would your rap name be? Kind of think. I've said it plenty of times before. It's kind of easy, basic. Robbie G, the one and only? Robin G. G.

Robbie G. The one and only? Yeah, Robert G, the one and only. Kind of a long name, though. So maybe that's not it. I think my name would be... Like, the Jewelster? No, it'd be...

The Squalster? Young Squirrel J. Young Squirrel J. I want a better name, though. Robert G., the one and only is too long. Come on, Jules. I just went three... Young, school J.

Yeah, that's quick and easy, right to the point. Young Big Peace? Yeah, young big piece. You just throw young in front of anything. It could be... Mr. Big Peace. Young Big Peace. Because I carry a massive gun with me.

I'm dangerous. It's loaded. Yeah, it's loaded. It's National Tide End Day. People want to rob me. All right. All right. Let's do.

We got a rap name, generator, to find the perfect rabnade for Rob. All right. What's your favorite TV character? Oh, we'll go with SpongeBob. SpongeBob. Oh, this is going to be a gangster name. Your real life first name. Robert.

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Because I have a French bulldog So you can't write French Bulldog And you can't write the name Ralphie You've got to let them know And Bulldog is pretty aggressive Because rappers like Bulldog So this is going to be aggressive name I like it.

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Oh, Junior. Junior. Junior. I had a dog. I had a dog named Junior. It was, um, what are those dogs? Uh, a pug. Pug. Pug named junior.

Let's see. Yeah. Bulldog gronk. I guess we're just sticking with the one and only. Robbie G. the one and only. I'm Robbie G. the one and only. If you don't know me, I'm sorry. If you want to, I don't want to say the rest because it's very, it's very, it's very, it's very inappropriate. That's why I stopped the first time.

Time's up. What kind of dude is Greg Olson? Okay. I mean, he's not, he's a freak, but he's not a freak. He's not a freak. He's kind of got that, you know. He's definitely a dude's dude. He is a dude's definitely maybe a whiz. He is a whiz as well, because that knowledge, that's why he's such a great commentator. And that was replaced by. He was a first round draft pick? Yeah, he was a first round draft pick to the Chicago Bears. Kind of a slow start. They traded him to the Panthers.

but, you know, everyone has a slow start when they get to the NFL. Not everyone, but a lot of guys do, but it's okay. He picked it up in Carolina. So what are the two that you were leaning on? I'm going to go with Wiz, dudes, dude, kind of a stud in a way, because he's a stud. He just owns whatever, you know. He just owns himself. He does.

Blonde hair, 6-5, blue eye. He is. Like, you see that javelin picture? He looks like you should be on a Wheaties box. I'm going to go with, I want to go with Wiz, though. We haven't had many whiz. and he's a whiz because of his knowledge and just a way he can explain anything,

break down anything, to be able to get open in many circumstances on the field. And he was a smart player. He was clutch. He was clutch for his team. He was clutch for his team. A second round pick in, I think, 2010, no, 2009. Same as much.

Some Bastian vomer. Sebastian Volma, aka Seabas. Seabass, kick his ass. Mm-hmm. Start the clock. What is AI? have to say about him. Bam,

bomb, Bum, A.I. Let's see if AI knows anything about it. Dalseldorf. Shaman people. Sebastian Vummer

was a prolific offensive tackle for the New England Patriots, known for his 6-8 frame and 320 pounds of strength.

Strength. You know? Very strong. It was very tall, very tall. It made me feel like a dwarf. Like a little boy.

Yeah, yeah. I was a little boy out there, actually. Over his career, he started 80 of his 88 games that he played, helping the Patriots win two Super Bowls, Super Bowl 49 and Super Bowl 51. Yeah.

Born in Dostledorf, Germany. Dostledorf. Dostledorf. Wormer didn't start playing football until he was 14. 14? 14. Four. Yeah.

One four. Nine. After retiring in 2016, he became a booming NFL broadcaster in Germany. often acting as a Patriots ambassador. Off the field, he's known for his down-the-earth personality and dedication to promoting football in his home country. And some fun facts real quick, Vomer was won a barbecue cook-off in his neighborhood.

What a fun fact that is. He wanted a barbecue cook-off in his neighborhood. AI, man. AI, where did you pull that from? Oh, my gosh. He's an avid beekeeper. Oh, my gosh. He's a beekeeper?

He ate all his honey. he ate all his honey That's why he's 6-8 That is why he's 6-A and Freaking tosses up weight like It's nothing Nothing Nothing that's where I was going

And he once accidentally Locked himself out of his own house While wearing only his underwear That's on AI What the heck? I think I love Sebastian Even more That's a Sebastian type move though

That's a C-Bass move right there Oh my God Seabass move right there He was so large But he was so large and so strong. He could have probably just lifted up his own house. Like, you know, Patrick and on SpongeBob, how he just lifts up the rock in his house and goes, and he should have just lifted up his house, like threw it up in the air real quick and then went under it.

And then he would have been fine. He lit, we all used to live next to each other in that street. Yeah, we did. He could definitely probably lift that house up. What was the name of that street again? What was it? Chey Lane. Shee Lane.

No, I was Shea Lane. I was in a passion with Shea Lane. And then you were Payson. but you were like half, half a mile, if that, away from us. Yeah, it was a bike ride away. Yeah, bike ride. Freaking Seabas, we were drafting the same draft. He was such a big dude.

And he was always really smart. Like, he always had really great questions to, like, Scarnicchio or Josh. I just remember him always being able to, like, hey, coach, but what if this happens on this and we're in this? you know, like he had a really outgoing thought process of the game for someone who never grew up around the game. Mm-hmm. Like that's-or- or really knew the game. Yeah.

He, like, how do he starts playing out 14. Yeah, you can start playing out 14, which is different than kids that start playing in 14 here, but it was so natural here. Also, when he was playing at 14, it wasn't like real football he was playing. Yeah. What league was at? It was like some type of club football. It wasn't the same rules.

wasn't the same schemes, none of that. I mean, there was some similarities of the league that he was playing in when he started playing football, but it was nothing like American football. I don't think so. So where he got to University of Houston, where he had a pretty solid career there. And then the way he got to the Patriots,

I'm pretty sure, like, the New England Patriots, they were looking for an offensive tackle at the time, you know, to start for them or just to back up. We needed someone, yeah. And I'm pretty sure he played in the East West game. East West, right. After being, you know, in college at the University of Houston. And that's when he really got scouted by the Patriots.

And I'm pretty sure the Patriots sent Dante Scarnacchio, one of the best offensive line coaches in the history of the game. No doubt about that. I mean, he's the reason to a lot of our success in New England. And what's wild is, like, he's tiny. like, you know, offensive line coaches are usually offensive linemen beforehand. Like Dante Scarnacki had demanded a room.

He was older, like 75, 70s, what, 5, 10, 180 pounds. And he just lined up his offensive lineman, like a drill sergeant and just control them, like, unbelievable. I remember the first air rookie camp, Scar yelling at C-Bass, saying, like, you guys, you fat pieces of shit,

better start running. Because while you guys are out here bouncing around, this league for five, six years, I'm going to have to work out Walmart because I'm going to get fired for not getting you to be able to play. It's like the first day of rookie OTAs. I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know if it was going to C-Bast, but I was like, that was my welcome to NFL moment. Like, holy shit.

And then they scouted Sebastian. They had a workout with him. I mean, I saw a clip of Dante. He did his pro day. He did his pro day. He put him through a workout. And he said that, you know, Sebastian was smart. He did everything that he was told.

He picked up on everything. He picked up on the schemes out of the way. It's just showing how smart he was. And they also talked about how Sebastian learned that English language. How was that, Rob? And that was just watching American flicks. She's American TV. American TV.

Man, I watched German TV and my eyes are going to space. Faster than Michael Strayhan went to space. This guy learned English. How'd you learn English? Oh, just learned it. Just growing up. Just did. I was around it a lot as a kid.

Being around my mom, my dad, my brothers, friends. Who was your first word? Mama. Mama. But it was Baba. Mama. I wonder what Sebastian's first word was because it's not Mama. That's English.

Yeah. What do you think it was? It's probably like, a omah oh ma omah omah's grandma and like

German you want to know what Bill Belichick once said too about Sebastian Vomer what do you say is that when

Sebastian would utter things underneath his breath wouldn't like German or something yeah in German yes

he knew that it was never good he knew it was never good that's a that's a great observation coach Belichick that's that's

called scouting right there. Sebastian was athletic, great side. Hey, I'm scouting Sebastian right now, okay? I know you're getting excited. He's athletic, great size. He was light on his feet. He has 36 to 38 inch arms, depending on the workout that he did that day.

He's thick everywhere, dude. I'm telling him, he's thick. His calves, his quads, forearms, biceps, triceps, abs. He's, like, he's thick. It's like he almost had a six-back, but he didn't because he was so big, but he dick like thick boy man but he wasn't like fat no he wasn't fat well now he's like a

bodybuilder he's shredded he looks so good right now he looks like a tight end he looks like if van damn was like six foot eight he's that ripped right now he's got good feet he always had good feet he was always on balance i was working out with him bryans yeah EPS yes EPS my uh going into my second year in the league during the lockout yeah NFL lockout we would always be working out I just remember him working out and like, I was just amazed how strong he was. He took a 140 pound dumbbell.

Just went right on the bench, grab the other one just like this, that easy and just started tossing it up for a set of 10. A 140 pound dumbbells for a set of 10. Like it was nothing. The Germans have particular beer that makes them very strong. Well, then let me keep drinking, Jules.

I want to be very strong like Sebastian. And if he was drinking beer to make him strong, I need another beer. Fill me up, please. I already had one. I want one more. I got you. While you fill me up,

how about the time when Coach Belichick put him out there and he told Sebastian Volmer, hey, if you catch his punt, we're done for the day. Everyone's off practice. Hey, that's, hey, that's- No meetings.

What happened? What did Sebastian do? He caught a punt. He caught a punt. He gave us training camp. That was early in our career. It was. That was my, I think, my rookie year

or my second year in the league. I think it was my second year. But that was great. See, Bass, thank you for coming through. I'll remember it, you know, for the rest of my life that you got me off meetings at night. Thank you. Amen, because those meetings are way too long. His first start in 2009 was that Tennessee Titans game where it snowed in, like, October 15th or something like that.

He was replacing Matt Light, who was starting. I think he got banged up. We didn't give up a sack. Like, it was his first game in, pressure was on, young football player from Germany and helps give up zero. Soxon, we blew out the Tennessee Titans that game. Like what, 59-0? It was 59-0. You know, I know why you guys, you know, won that game 59-0-0 and why Tom threw like eight touchdown passes in the first half?

Because he was very comfortable that Sebastian Bowmer was his left tackle. He was comfortable. He was comfortable. Just like we were all comfortable when Coach Belichick said, hey, Sebastian Boehmer, you catch this punt right here on this windy day at training camp when we've been running you guys for, 15 straight days into the ground, not a day off, full pads, twice a day. If you catch this punt, I'm going to give you guys meetings off tonight. But we will have practice tomorrow, but you guys will have meetings off tonight. And what do you do?

He caught the punt when he didn't have meetings. He caught the pun so I could go home and do this quicker. We got to give him a little bit more credit in his broadcasting career because he has made a name for himself in the country of Germany because he's bringing the game and a lot of awareness of American football. and bringing it over. And he's doing a great job to translate it. I see a lot of things.

He translates English to German. Translator. Yeah. Help people in that country understand the game. So he's doing a great job expanding and have an unbelievable role like that. Without a doubt, he's making the game bigger. He probably loves his home country. He does.

And he loves football. Mm-hmm. And it's great for him to be able to share the game that he's loved with the people that where he's from. That's like some beautiful stuff. It's beautiful like Europe. It is beautiful. Like Poland, actually.

Poland's beautiful. And that's why, you know, Sebastian's so beautiful as well because Poland's right near Germany. It might connect, but I don't think it does. I think they touch. They touch. That's why we just sympathize for each other. And we have so much connection because I'm a Polack.

He's German. And we just have that, you know, tightness. We feel each other. We understand each other. and he's just a good guy. I'm a good guy. I'm just going to keep drinking and just keep getting emotional because I'm blacked out.

It's a beer and a half, Jules. Time. All right. All right. What is he? You're ready? You're ready? I just broke out of it.

You're in it. I was in it. What kind of dude is Sebastian Vomer? Is he a stud? He, I mean, he is pretty studly. If you think about it, a guy that came from, he's probably one of the badass, dudes from his country never played our country's most famous sport most popular sport and comes in

and becomes a fucking damn good football player all right on on on three you say what he you think he is i'll say what i think he is all right one two three whiz yeah baby give me some give me some obviously probably we know him we played with them so we're going to be on the same page of what he is I mean, he's definitely a whiz. If you think about it, to be able to come out of high school from Germany to go to a university in America and play American football, learn the language through TV, be as smart as he was on the field. You never saw Emmy from Sebastian Vomer. Like, he's for sure a whiz. Clutch, catching the punt for us to get us the night off of meetings.

Like, he was the guy. He's a whiz, for sure. You said it all, Jules. You said it all. He's a whiz. Guy Smirreys can be picked up the schemes, one of the hardest blocking schemes in all football. Just like that.

I think he picked up English better than you and I speak it. No. He sure has. And if you ask him, he would agree to that as well. He definitely would. I love those two, but they cuckoo. That's what he would say. Is that very crazy?

I love him. I love him. Oh, we love you, C. Bass. First guy we'll be doing today in this Oklahoma, Alabama, rivalry. Is it really a rivalry? It's about to be. It's about to be. Because Oklahoma, what?

They just move into the SEC. Can you explain what's going down in college? Because I'm not truly up to date with all these new conferences, with teams moving from one conference to another. So can you just explain to everyone out there? because I thought Oklahoma was in the Big 12, but now you're saying they're in the SEC. Yeah. Can you update me, please, George?

Yeah, conference realignment this year because of the bracket. There's going to be a 16-game playoff and a lot of money. There's going to be a lot of money. So now UT, Texas is in the SEC, Oklahoma is in the SEC, which is outrageous, but also freaking cool because it's not a rivalry yet, but this could turn into a rivalry. Oklahoma versus Alabama is something we rarely see, but we're going to get to see now every year. So I think it's awesome.

The money's going to be big for these conferences, but the matchups, man, college football has been so exciting this year, watching Oregon get to play Ohio State. And these teams that you only got to see once every blue moon play each other in, like, bowl games that now, like, you're getting to see Powerhouse, top five programs play each other that you didn't get to see before. I think it's awesome. That is awesome.

Thank you for clarifying that. The University of Arizona is now in the Big 12. I feel like they replaced, you know, Oklahoma. I went to the University of Arizona. Here's a little fun fact. The University of Arizona wapped the University of Oklahoma last year in the Sun Bowl, giving us one of our best bowl wins of, you know, the history of the University of Arizona football. Hell, yeah.

Let's go Wildcats. Give it up to the Wildcats. Wildcats. Not doing so great this year. But, you know, how to bring up some positives since we're talking about Oklahoma and we beat Oklahoma last year. But let's get back to it. Let's talk about Kyler Murray,

the number one pick in the 2019 NFL draft. Ladies and gentlemen, here he is. Kyleor Murray. He's a good looking dude, man. Look at that headband. He's slick.

He's like... He's like an athlete. He's swaggy. Yeah, swaggy. That's it right there. He's like real swaggy. He's a swaggy captain. He is.

Yeah, he really is. Let's start the clock. What's A. I'm going to say about him? All right. What about that? We already start with AI. AI.

The AI description of Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is a dynamic NFL quarterback known for his elite dual threat ability, excelling both as a passer and a runner. With AI, so far, is totally spot on. Spot on. Drafted first overall by the Arizona Cardinals in 2019, he has earned a Pro Bowl selection and offensive rookie of the year honors. Wow.

Murray has thrown for over 13,000 yards and 84 touchdowns in his. first four seasons while also rushing for over 2,000 yards and 23 touchdown. Joker makes plays. That's dynamic right there. Joker makes plays. Before the NFL, he stared. Yeah, he starred. I was going to say stared.

It's starred. I've done that a few days. Yeah. Before the NFL, he starred at Oklahoma Jules. He probably was also staring at things as well in the fan, you know, in the, in the, you know, bleachers. and up in the stadium. Oklahoma. Yeah, they got some beautiful ladies I hear, so he was probably staring.

Yeah, that's just what I hear. All right, back, back to it. Before the NFL, he starred, starred at Oklahoma, where he won the Heisman trophy in 2018 and after transferring from Texas A&M. See, I didn't know that. Texas A&M. How long was he at Texas A&M for? I think two years.

You don't even know. Let's get back to AXA. 2015. Just one year, and then he transferred those. Oklahoma. Yeah. Off the field, Murray is known for his calm demeanor,

love for video games, and the rare distinction of being drafted in both the NFL and MLB. Fucking AI's got him like in video games. AIs on point. They are on point. AI is kind of a video game. So they definitely need to get that in.

Yeah, it's just crazy that even computers know that. All right. What team was he drafted by, Jules? What do you, Arizona Cardinals? No, no, no, in the MLB. Oh, in the MLB? By the MLB. Well, MLB team.

Nope. Was it? All right, I'll give you a clue. They're moving in the next year or two, to a different city. Oakland A's. Yes, Oakland A's. You're in Oakland. Yeah, Oakland A's.

Now my, I wasn't an A's fan, Rob. I wasn't an A's fan. You were a Giants fan. I was a Giants fan. I was a Giants fan. But the A's hat was always cool. And, I mean, I went to one A's game and I think there was 14 people there. Do I know what's crazy is there was 14 people there?

And they went to the playoffs. Yeah, they did go to the playoffs. Wait, this year? No, the year I win. I was like a little kid. But there was 14 people there like in the last three years at every game. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, we're going to, you know, go to Vegas, which makes sense. You know, you're getting 14 people a game.

You need to keep the organization going, the money flowing. It's a business. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, everyone starts complaining that they're moving. It's like, wait a second. Like, you're not even going to any of the games. Yeah, but Oakland, it's a tough thing in Oakland. You're from there, so let's hear it.

You know, the city doesn't want to, they don't want to do new stadium. And I feel bad for the people in Oakland because they've lost all their teams. Raiders aren't there no more. And the A's are leaving. They love their sports. It's unfortunate, but like you said, it's a business. You don't know what's going on? What?

Steph Curry stealing all the fandom. Well, they left too. They used to be in Oakland and then they went to San Francisco. So, like, everyone has left Oakland. I didn't know that. Yeah. Why did they switch? They switched probably what?

like five years ago? Really? What? Just like over the bridge? Yeah, literally. Like five miles away. Probably like three. Three miles away.

Dang, what's going on in Oakland? Marchand, come on. You got to run for governor in Oakland. We got to get, we need you, Marshawn.

Mayor would, Mayor. Mayor, Governor of a good. I'll take mayor. I don't think there's a governor of a city. No, there's a governor of a state.

Yeah, well, we need him to run for mayor of Oakland. And actually Marshall has a podcast with them. All right, back to Kyler Murray, ladies and gentlemen. All right,

here's some fun. facts. AI spitting out fun facts now. Kyler Murray is the first athlete to be drafting the first round of both the NFL and MLB. Stud. He has a deep love for video games and is an avid player of call of duty, often streaming on platforms

like Twitch. Diled. Kid is dialed. I've seen him shoot out a bunch of sweaty little tryhards. I've watched his Twitch stream. Kid is good. The kid is dialed. And he, I mean, he's accurate on the field. He's accurate on the

Is he like as good as like one of those like video gamer is like what is what's his name like ninja You know who ninja? Yeah, I know ninja. I know the phase plan guys. Is he like in that level? He competes. He plays with them and he any old zone, I think. Kyler Murray kind of plays his game like after a video game too. Like you know how Madden like the quarterback runs all over to place? That's like what Kyler Murray does. Maybe transfers. I mean, he is a video game player. So if you're like some like five foot 10 high school kid that had Madden, you look. You look. would put up all the stats. You'd make your guy still 510, but you'd put all your Madden guy stats up to 99 at 510. And that's what Kyler Murray looks like on the football field. Like 99 speed, 99 arm, 99 quickness. What about his elusiveness? When we were watching the film, you think he looks like Johnny Mansell. He does. He kind of looks like Mansell when he was in college at Texas A&M. They both started at Texas A&M. Is it a back thing? Yeah, they both like run kind of straight up. They're both the same

height and their feet both like pity patter like that. Yeah. But Kyler Murray is at another level of speed and elite quickness. And kind of like take Johnny Mansell, what he was doing in college, and then you, you throw them on the car nose and make them into Kyler Murray. And they kind of played a similar way. Similar. Similar.

Similar. I just think Kyler is in a whole other cat. Oh, no, 100%. The speed. But they have the same body type. They did. Same movement. The same wrong form.

The same sprint. It's written movement. I can see you were watching in the sauna. You're like, look it. It looks like Johnny Manzo. I'm like, kind of does look like Johnny Manzo. All right.

One more fun fact. Despite being one of the shortest starting quarterbacks in NFL history at 510. How tall are you, Jules? I'm 510. All right. So he's the same exact height as you. Can you imagine yourself behind, you know, the line of 510 throwing passes? You know, when you watch his film, he's got such great feet.

He'll take like a seven-step drop out of a freaking shotgun snap and dart it. Like he has really good. I couldn't imagine it. That's why he's a one-of-one. This guy's freaky. Because, like, he's 5-10. He doesn't play small. He can play within the pocket, but he changes the game.

He moves the pocket a lot. But sometimes he makes those big plays in the pocket because he has such an arm. I really think he's like a Madden player. He's almost unfair, like, when you played Golden Eye when you were a kid and someone would be odd job. Remember odd job? I do. He was tiny and he was kind of like wider.

Yeah. But he would just like crawl all over. getting the vents and you can never see him. And he had automatic headshot every time. Yeah, he did. He had a gun level was higher. So it was so much easier. He had the golden gun at all times because he was so accurate.

I'm telling you. Tyler Murray's hot job, bro. Unfair. Yeah. Kyler Murray, he's accurate on the move. He has exceptional vision. Even being at 510, just watching his film. I mean, he can make every throw in the game.

He can do the deep ball, you know, lead the wide receiver so he can get underneath it. So the receiver can turn his jets on. and go out and get the ball and outrun the defender. Also the back shoulder too. That's what I was really impressed with Kyler Murray was his back shoulder throws. I mean, half of the deep balls were back shoulder throws. The way, just how quick his feet are is just incredible. It's like, but, bo, boom, like even when he's dropped.

A little speeding his out. Even when he's backpiling in the pocket. But boom, boom. And right when he gets like his seventh step and he plants on his back foot, boom, the ball is out. Out. And he's reading the defenders like, no other and gets it out to the guy that he needs to get it out to. So he can do it all.

He can do it. all in the past game, then he can do it all in the run game. He anticipates really great also because of his height. Like you watch him and he'll throw before a guy's out of his break. Like it's a perfect throw. Wasn't he a He a Heisman? Yeah. Yeah, he won the He won the Heisman.

He won the He was in the Heisman. He dominated in college. When he was at Oklahoma, they didn't win it all, though. They weren't national champions. No, were they? But they were in the mix of it. They're in the mix. Mm-hmm.

Lincoln Riley, I believe. Right? Lincoln Riley over there. Are you a man of Kyler? I never met Kyler before, man. Never met him in my life. Not even betting. the same vicinity as him before.

Usually, like, with every athlete, met him real quick or been, like, at a party with them. I'm like, this is one guy. I just never seen. Maybe he's just so quick. I just never seen him when he was at the party. Maybe he don't go out. He's back at home gaming.

Yeah, he's playing those games. What is the call of duty? Call of duty. I mean, he's on Faze Clan. He joined Fays Clan, right? He partnered with Call of Duty. Yeah. He was on, like, Call of Duty, I think, Black Op 6 ad campaign.

I mean, I was a call of duty guy back in the day. I'm actually the guy. guy that loves to play Dalries, uh, zombies. Yeah. On Call of Duda, you ever play it? I mean, I played a little zombies. Del Reese. That was a while back. I used to run home my fourth year in the NFL and I used to run home right at 3.30 right when we got out of the meetings. I run home and I start playing zombies and we started at 345 and we would probably play until about 930 at night. And like you would get the level like 38 and it takes like three hours and then you'd get killed. And then you just get so mad. You would restart. And then you would have to get the level.

back to level 38 and it takes another, you know, three hours to do it, but you got to get past level 38 this time. So you're like automatically playing zombies, six, seven hours every night. I was like that with like when Fortnite first came out. I mean, we all liked a game. And it's a, it's a good outlet for an athlete because it keeps you out of trouble, honestly. If you go home and game, like, I know he gets a bad rap. And I thought it was kind of crazy that they had to put in his contract. Like he had to watch film and stuff. You don't want that from your, from your quarterback, but this is a new generation quarterback. You know what a guy does on his downtime if he gets all his work in is whatever.

That's like the least thing you got to worry about too. Like the guy's playing too many video games. Like let's put it in his contract that he has to study this much amount of film before he can leave the building or whatever it was because he's going to go home. Like imagine if the guy was going out, you know, getting in trouble out at the club to 3 a.m. Then that's a problem. I mean, he's going home to play video games.

And video games, like, when you get lost in video games, it's actually like one of the best feelings in the world. Like when I was playing zombies, I'm telling you, like nothing else mattered in my life. Like, if I had a bad game that week, it didn't matter. I had like 400 kills. I killed 400 zombies. I'm saving the world. Like, it didn't matter what football was going. It's an outlet for you to hang with the boys, talk with your friends, like not have to think about stuff.

It's a way for you to get lost. And I understand it. So LeBron just, when he came out, he's a top 100 Madden player? I guess so. I mean, that's his claim to fame of playing Madden. He doesn't need any claim to fame, but claim the fame of playing Madden. I don't know if he's really a top 100 player. He's never posted anything.

Usually if you're that good, you're always posting. So Rob, I think he's posting. Has he posted? He posts all the time. Is someone playing for him? I just feel like, I just feel like, I just feel like he's not a top 100. I bet you LeBron's dirty. Who wins LeBron?

I don't know. Who wins? I think Kyler Murray wins because Kyler Murray had a, you know, a cause in his contract that he has to study film before he can go home because he wanted to play video games that bad. So who wins in 2K, LeBron or Kyler? Kyler. So you think Kyler is beating LeBron hands down in all video games? When you're that good at Call of Duty. Exactly.

It transfers over to every video game. When you're good at one, when you're the best at one, you can play every other video game. Well, the thing is, LeBron is an R. He's my, he's like around my age. And we started with three buttons when you're on Sega or Nintendo. That's three buttons. Kyler Murray's like 22 or something. How old's Kyler?

28, 26. He started on like dreamcast. So he's been using all those little fingers on all those little computers. Like, and he's probably a keyboard guy. He's like, I bet you he's keyboard as fuck. Does he have a clutch gene? He does. He has that Hell Mary, right?

Yeah, he threw the Hell Mary to Dee Hop. Yeah. Does he have a playoff win? I think he has a clutch gene, but like. He doesn't have a playoff win. You can't have clutch gene in the NFL and T. Yeah, but he has like a clutch gene in regular season.

Like he makes plays. Yeah, he does. The clutch gene is him making plays at any given time. He does not have that clutch gene and getting that team to the next level. Yeah. I mean, you know how hard it is in the NFL to get that team to the next level.

It's hard to win. There's other great quarterbacks, other great teams out there. But he does have a clutch gene to make big plays. And you want to know something else. about the Arizona Cardinals. They're not a consistent team. They're not going to the playoffs.

He doesn't have a playoff win. But they're a team that can upset any other team, any given Sunday, I feel. Dangerous. They are the dangerous team. And it's because of Kyler Murray. If everyone plays well on their team and Kyler's got it going, they're hard to beat. Going through coaching change now, you know, you're trying to redo the roster, revamp the roster. It's tough.

They got some guys, Marvin Harrison, Jr. I love him. I mean, those two are going to be a duel for a while. I know, but they've been struggling to get him the ball. How about that? Hail Mary, the Hail Murray in 2020 COVID season. See what you did there? Hail Murray. Where he went back and he threw it and D. Hop came down in the, you got that picture of D. Hobbs big old hands snagging that football. What a create, it was voted the play of the year that year. Was in the ESPs or something? Like what? 11 seconds left, 43 yards, you know, the throw was. And, and, you know, the throw was. And, and, it was. And, it was voted. it was to what beat the bill they were down by how many they were down 2083 to nine in the third in the

third and they came back but getting back to last play what's what's the key to stop in a last play hail mary well first off it has to be a hell merry because if it's not and you put a guy like myself in then the miami miracle happens i mean open field tackle yeah open field tackle that's not a hell mary though so let's get back on the hell mary the key to defending a hell mary my quads were hurting that day, okay? They were tired. I had a couple catches that game. It was a bad year, okay. We won the Super Bowl that year. It's okay. Six foot six guy in

open field with 30. That's so hard. You can't do that. I wanted to the freaking tackle him, though. That would have been the highlight of my career. What do you think you had to do to tackle him? Not slip. I kind of slipped on my... As Scotty O'Brien would say, you got a scallop. Scallop and gather. Don't stop your feet. Keep your feet moving and then break. Well, I didn't do

any of that. Let's get back to the Hail Mary because I've defended one of them before. And the key to defending a last second play is first off, if you got to get like a wide receiver, the biggest guy on your team out there, that's athletic, kind of like a Randy Moss. You used to be Moss and then turned into Rob. Turn to myself. And you just got to go up there. You don't, you're not even trying to, you know, intercept the ball. You just want to get a hand on it. If you get a hand on it, the, you know, play is going to be completely over and you're trying to smack it down as well. You don't want to smack it up in the air because then it can go anywhere and then anyone can catch it at any given time.

you know just go up jump as high as you can kind of try to push another defender down because they're not really going to call flag on that play i mean it's kind of like the known rule on a hell mary and just swap that thing as you can kind of like you're swatting a fly out of the air like whoopi-oop-pio and then game's over game is i just got an epiphany of like rob playing beach volleyball and just slamming a ball down in someone's face you play bronch swiking i love beach volleyball You're probably nasty. You know, I got to play more beach volleyball. I don't play.

Me neither. I mean, I love it. I used to play. I mean, I played probably five times in my life. And I loved it every time. Beach volleyball is cool. But the thing about beach volleyball is like the competition is always real. Yeah.

Because it's not like you're going to go out there and it's going to be beginners, you know, playing beach volleyball. It's always people that are like legit volleyball players that legitimately play on a daily basis or they formerly played in college. You got to be ready. You got to practice. Like we should do one-on-on-one for. for a little bit.

You keep your head on a swivel. Or else you're going to get the ball spiked right off your face. Right on your nose. Straight. Meet the Falgers. No, what's that movie? Meet the parents. No, where that volleyball is going to become your best friend.

Oh, you're just going to spike off. Yeah, cast away. Cast away. Yeah, Cassaway. You and that volleyball. We should put you in the Olympics in four years, start training you for volleyball. Wow, I would do really good. Here in L.A.

Everyone else is already, everyone else is 6, 7, 6, 6, 8, and they're really good at volleyball. Well, why would I be on the team? Oh, I know why. I can stand on my third leg and then I'm seven two. And then I just put my hands over the nut. You'd be a great blocker. Yeah, great blocker. Time.

All right. Well, what kind of dude is, Kyler Murray? I mean, Jules, it's been 21 minutes. I know, but we still haven't gotten down to the point.

Is he a stud? You know, his athleticism, his football IQ's there. His pedigree of the game is there. Is he a freak? Which he kind of is a freak, just how fast he is and how elusive he is.

He's freaky. He's freaky, 100 million percent for especially his height and what he was gifted with. Dudes do you know, dudes do them. Didn't he, didn't he have to do a trip or something in LA recently?

Possibly. Yeah, a trip where I think, what, he invited like a ton of his teammates out. Yeah. Got a chef. Got some massages.

Rented a mansion in Bella. Rans some routes in the backyard. He's like the fresh prince of Bel Air. Team bonding. Team, that's how you, we never really did team bonding trips. No,

we didn't. We did here and there, Montana. We would do like random routes. We would do random route team trips. It was Tom just calling you up, hey, let's run some routes. It's the off season. Let's make sure we still got it and we can maintain.

And it would just be out of nowhere and we would do it wherever we are. Wherever. UCLA, the freaking grass field in the middle of the woods in freaking Massachusetts. The thing that pissed me off, though, like Tom would find like a 60 yard patch of grass that's like, oh, it's grass. We could just run routes here. And sometimes it'd be the most uneven. grass and you're over here like Tom we got we got a we got a sprint on this stuff we're like you know this is like put a a formula one car on a fucking gravel pit I mean what are we doing here yeah you know

or a monster truck in the grand canyon yeah he's not it doesn't belong it doesn't belong the grand canyon is going to eat up the monster truck it's the only time the monster truck loses but yeah team bought that that's real I like that I like hearing that so that that means he's kind of dude. Yeah, he is a dude, dude. All right, all right. Especially to all the video gamers, too. On a count of three, you say what you think he is, and I'll say what I think he is. All right. Ready? One, two, three. Whiz. What'd you say? I said freak. And you said whiz. I said whiz. But he can only be one. So he's not a freak or he is a whiz. I mean, he is a whiz. I mean, he's a dual sport athlete. So obviously you got to be super smart to know the inside and

out of both games and to be that good. I bet you he can write code. But that's freaky as well. That's freaky as well. Oh, right code. He plays video games on keyboard. He's a whiz. We're talking to athleticism though, athletic wise.

Yeah, he's a freak. He's a football player. But he's not like seven feet tall. Yeah, you're right. And everyone that's 510 is that fast and can move like that. At the quarterback position, he's elite. If I, like, if he was moving like that at my size, then that's freaky. Because of his athletic speed and his ability to throw, he's so innovative.

He's part of that whole innovative running quarterback that like everyone's trying to get now. Fine. You convinced me, Jules, let's try again now. You ready? One, two, three, whiz! There we go. He's a freak. No, you said whiz, didn't you? You said freak? You did? I screamed whiz so loud. I didn't hear you. So that means whiz wins. No, he's a whiz. He's a whiz. I got a mess with me like that. All right.

Who we got? AFC North. First guy we're going. Tough, tough division, tough defenses and we just owned them all. Because we're tough players. No,

we didn't own them. Troy Palo. Pallu. No. It was war. For the Steelers, we're going to go with Troy Palu Malu. Greatest hair.

Troy Palo Malu. Oh, my Tasmanian devil. What is, what is the synopsis? I got to say. Start the clock. On Troy Palomalu.

Troy Palomalalalu, a 510, 200 pounds, safety spent his entire NFL career with the Pittsburgh Steelers after being drafted 16th overall in the 2003 NFL draft. I was born in 1989, so I was 14 years old when he was drafted into the NFL. That's just a cool fun fact out there. So you were probably like 16, 17. Yeah. He was known for his explosive style, nose for the ball, uncanny instincts, and trademark flowing hair. He finished his career with 32 interceptions, 783, tachshunds.

and three defensive touchdowns. He was an eight-time pro-bowler, two-time Super Bowl champion, and won the NFL defensive player of the year in 2010. Wow. That was my rookie season. Solidifying his status as one of the most versatile and disruptive safeties in the game. He was named to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2020. Well, let me tell you this, Joe's.

Here's another fun fact. In 2010, when he was all pro safety, and I was a rookie, I scored three touchdown. touchdowns versus that defense. I remember that. I remember that. Versus and all pro safety, baby, that year in 2000. No, NFL defensive player of the year in 2010.

It necessarily wasn't on him. He wasn't covering me, but still he was still on the defensive side of the ball. And I forgot he was the defensive player of the year, too, in 2010. Maniac, love him. The Tasmanian devil. He really is. I mean,

I grew up in the Bay Area. So there was a lot of Polynesian people in my communities. like my high school football team was like probably 60% Polynesian either Samoan or Tongan or Hawaiian. Anytime there was like a like a Polynesian football player that was a stud, in our circles, they were like gods. Like it was when I was real young, it was junior seo. And then it became Troy Paul O'Malo who like he was like the god of all gods for all these dudes that like he was just a fucking maniac on field. He was like the nicest dude. He used to hit guys and do little prayers afterwards because he was so

nice sold. I just remember always loving this guy because of all the pollies in my neighborhood. Did he ever hit you and then like just kind of like prayed over you, Julian? Has that ever happened? You know, I remember I had to block him a couple times. And I did catch like a ghost route on him once, but then he like, he leveraged me out of bounds. He, he never blew me up or anything. He was one of those once again in that like cam chancellor uh category where he's like a polite competitor he never really talked shit he was he was kind of all about his business and like that's how i felt when i played against him those are the guys you don't want to tick off either never mean they're they're already so good and so fierce playing on the field but they're also so nice so imagine

you just tick them off you you bring them to that next level where they're not nice anymore imagine just their amplifying this there's amplifyingness there's that amplifyingness Amplifying this. There we go, baby. Just imagine how much more that would be, how much more those hits would hurt if you tick him off. What I love the bottom, he was a ball hog, bro, out on the field.

He was always around the ball, no matter what the situation was. He was a deep safety. And let me tell you, he was in the backfield more than he was back in his own backfield on the defense side of the ball, making sacks, making tackles for losses. And what I really loved the bottom two,

just knew how to jump this nap. Yeah. Better than anyone. He times snaps. There's probably like five, six plays of him jumping over the line of scrimmage on like a fourth and one and grabbing the quarterback and getting a head start for the QB sneak. Like he was just a guy that knew the football, always around the football, blew up screens. He was played in the box always. He was tough in the run game.

He was a great blitzer. I would say he's a top five, top three blitzer of all. It's blitzing safety of all time. Never, you know, rarely miss a tackle. Do you think he could have played receiver? Because just the way that he was such a ball hawk and the, you know, the ball skills that he possessed. Probably because, you know, he would have been a great slot, you know. He knows coverage.

And those guys, he's very instinctive with space in the field. He always made tough catches. It's different when the ball is coming to you. But, you know, who are the other top blitzers you think? Jamal Adams was a really good blitzer. You know, a more recent guy who. Recent. He was vicious.

He was strong. He was a bulldozer coming through the middle. He touched me out of the club a few times. Yeah, I saw that. I was right there. Remember that? Yeah. I mean, but you didn't back down, dude, and he was a young buck.

You were hurting. I remember you were hurting, but you still gave it to him. He could come in. He had a vicious shoulder out the play. He would. He would take himself out of the play. He would literally blow me up. Like, I'd go in to get the force.

He would blow me up. He would run for 15 right by him. You know what I mean? Well, that's what makes Troy Palomalu's so grue. is that he would make those guesses and he would blow up the play, but he's also making the play. Yeah. He's not missing. And if he does miss, he's forcing the play to go back inside or to go outside or wherever he needs it to go.

So then his teammates can make the play because of what he did to force that play to go where it was going. Just a wizard with the knowledge of the game. Unbelievable, dude, in coverage. These safeties, especially in this division, AFC North, they were like fun football players to watch. When you watched Troy Palomalu or like an Ed Reed or the, you know, these are the guys that we played against and that are from our generation. So we know these guys. But you could say that about like the Ronnie Lots of the back days, the Atwells, the lynches. When you always had great safety, like play, it was like fun guys to watch.

Interceptions, big hits, you know, fumble recoveries. He just did it all. And he was like a heartbeat. a lot of those great defenses Pittsburgh Steelers had. I went to high school actually my senior year in Pittsburgh. I'm all pro or all state,

whatever, defense events. So I get invited to this Pittsburgh gala for for a high school football athletes. And then who's there? Troy Palomalo, who's up on the stage? It's a dinner.

Everyone's recognized. And then Troy Palomalu gives a speech and unbelievable speech. What a guy. What a guy about faith, about doing the right thing, all the good stuff. gets a round of applause absolutely loved in Pittsburgh this guy and I loved them who didn't love

um no even when I was facing him I loved him I'm sitting there though I'm sitting there though just like looking at the best safety in the game one of the best safeties in the game and I'm in high school and I'm sitting there he's giving the speech round of applause and I just literally want to go up to him and tell him hey I'm rob grankowski I'll be seeing you in a couple years you wanted to say that I wanted to say that to him how does hair look it was good looks exactly how it was every single day that he was playing. He always, all the way to this day.

Great hair. Unbelievable. So just full circle moment. It was just unbelievable. I said it to a couple of buddies. I'm going to face Troy Palo Malo. And then four years later, I'm facing Troy Palo Malo, man.

So I just thought that was a cool moment. Just kind of put it in the perspective, kind of manifesting this guy who's a legend who's speaking to me when I was in high school that I'm going to go verse him one day. And it happened. And it was really cool because then I did go versum. Can you ask me what happened? on a play when I went versus him.

So what did you do in your rookie year when you played him? Oh, it was my, it was, well, I scored three touchdowns versus Steelers, my rookie year, but it wasn't versus Troy Palomalu. The play I'm talking about was my second year in the NFL.

I did an in-cut, caught the ball. Troy Palomalo went to tackle me. He jumped on my back, and I brought him for a ride for five freaking yards. Troy Palo Malo went for a ride. It was like the Tom Brady going for a ride. Oh, my.

Went that touchdown. But Troy Palomalo, trying to talk me. I got an extra five, six yards. And I'm still waiting for him to, you know, give me that change for the ride, you know, when you put the quarter in. Yeah, Tim. You're like, what do you like? The change where the, where the, where the, the horsey goes, getty up, giddy up, giddy up, gitty up, gitty up, gitty up, gitty up, gitty up, horsey. What do he say? Rock, he's back. He played hard. I don't think he said anything. He played really

hard. Maybe he, he, so he inspired you with that speech to manifest yourself to go while he was saying that speech, you're like, I'm going to go against him one day, hopefully. Not hopefully. I was going to go against him one day. Wow. Jules, I know you're a guy about looks and, you know, scruffing up your beard and making sure you got the right gel to put your hair exactly where it needs to be placed. But what do you think about the greatest hair in the game, Troy Palomalus?

I mean, he had best hair. Anyone that was on the head and shoulders, he'd been on head and shoulders commercials for probably about 15 years, I swear. I mean, him and Patrick Mahomes. But I got another question. Having hair like that, like Troy had hair, does that make you look stronger, faster, and bigger? It makes you look meaner.

It does. It makes you look like a fucking warrior, bro. I could just see him doing the goddamn Haka when I see that hair coming out of the back helmet. And talking about Polynesians as well, is it just me? But are all Polynesians just strong as heck right out of the wound? Like, they come out.

Like, they don't even have to work out. Like, they'll go up. They do work out. They do, but they don't even have to. And they'll just go up and they'll toss up 400 on the bench press like it's nothing. You can't move Polynesians, man. They're so strong and they're so, they got so much base to the ground. Yeah.

Like they're attached, like their legs are in the ground. It feels like when you try to block them. Via Vita Valle. He was fucking just massive. 360 pounds. You can't move that guy. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Massive. Yeah, no, they're just strong humans. Mm-hmm. I had Laird Hamilton when he talked about the Polynesians and stuff. He's Hawaiian and stuff. Like, they're just cool people. They're very, like, tradition and stuff about their traditions. Time.

Troy Palomalu. What kind of dude is Troy? Is he a stud of freak, dog, whiz, or dudes, dude? Oh, man. He can hit a couple of these. I mean, he's definitely a whiz. I mean, the knowledge of the game. He's also a dog.

In order to be in the backfield, basically half of the plays and make the plays and be able to time up the snap count and be able to jump the snap count. I mean, you've got to know the game to another level. And also to be able to have that coverage that he has, the range in zone, was just phenomenal. You got to be smart. Yeah, I agree with you. He's definitely a whiz to me as well. The amount of screenplays that he blew up, just instinctively reading the offense alignment, you know, like you watch his highlight film.

He blew up so many screens, pick screens. He also had great zone coverages, like you said. He just felt like he was everywhere on the field. And that's like very innovative. And he's like just a wizard with how he was around. I agree. Ready? One, two, three.

Whiz. Stamp. Stamp. Whiz. All right. It's out there. It's in the mailbox. There's a stamp like all over this piece of mail.

But it's well known that he's a whiz. Okay. Ink stamp. You can't get it off. It's like when it's on your skin. Yeah. Just under the shower. It's kind of like when you go to the bar.

Just washing it off like 50 times. Yeah, you come home and that ink. You're like, I don't want to show my mom. I was out. Yeah. and you're just under the sink for 10 minutes. And then you have red marks and she sees like, hey, what were you scrubbing on your palm?

Or what were you scrubbing on top? Or is that a hickie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. We'll be right back after this quick break. All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

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99 to 2005. The greatest show on turf, he was sure part of. Actually, he was the show on turf, baby. He was drafted as the little trivia as the what? Just take a guess. One through four. Two. Ding, ding, ding, you are correct.

He was drafted as a second overall pick in 1990 between three and five. Four. Ninety-94 NFL draft. That is correct. You're a genius, Jules. He was widely regarded. No wonder why you could play freaking defense and offense at the same time. No way.

He was widely regarded as one of the greatest running backs in NFL history. And in your mind, he was. I think he's the greatest of all time. There we go. He has your heart. He was known for his speed, power, and ability to excel both as a rusher and a receiver. He was named NFL MVP in 2000. Three offensive player of the year awards and a Super Bowl championship.

He was elected to the pro football Hall of Fame in 2011. which was my fantasy football season that I dominated. So Marshall Falk and I, we have a connection, 2011. He went into the Hall of Fame 2011. I had my best fantasy football season, baby. Oh, we're on the same page. So we're on to Marshall Falk. Oh, oops, oops, I gave it away.

I'm so sorry. Oh, he is still regarded as one of the best fantasy football running backs of all time, but fantasy football was even that big in the 90s and 2000s, but he still regarded it as one of the best. That's how good he was. Jules. We're on to Marshall Falk. Marshall Falk. First thing that comes to mind when I think about Marshall Falk.

It's what, Jules? What comes to your mind? I know he has your heart. I know he's your favorite running back of all time. I know you think he's the best running back of all time in your heart. I think you watch Marshall Falk. He reminds you of Barry Sanders. And he also like he had the stop go. He was really good at cutting back. He had really great vision. He's big. than what you thought. And then you throw in the past game

where he is the original. I mean, there's Roger Craig and those old West Coast, but he was like the original fucking personnel problem guy where like he got thousand, I think he did the thousand thousand. He did that one time, but he had a lot like

800, 900, 400, 500, 500, 500, 5. Like, he was a pivotal part of their past game. He was great in the run game. Like, and he didn't get hurt. He was health. his whole career. Like he didn't miss games. That's like unreal,

especially how he played. I mean, he missed a game here or two, but he didn't have any significant time message. So like, he's, I think one of the, he's probably,

because of that, this is a newer style football of being someone that is using the past game. It was super kind of like, not known when Roger Craig and those old 49ers and those bills teams, those running shoe teams

and West Coast teams, it wasn't like normal. After Marshall Falk, people were trying to make Marshall Falk. And then you get LTs and then you get the Christian McCaffreys. It is because Marshall Falk, man, took it to a whole other level. I mean, I think he just, you know, miss only, you were talking about how prolific of a player he was in sustainability. I think he just missed only 16 games in his 12 years of playing.

And at the running back position, getting what, what, 30 plus carries a game, getting tackled that many times and just to miss 16 games out of, 12 seasons is just incredible. All those catches as well. Running full speed downhill, a linebacker running full speed at you and getting blown up and just still being able to be that sustainable and have that long longevity is just out of control.

And the synopsis, the AI also missed that he was a seven-time pro bowler. He was a three-time all-pro. You know, he was rookie of the year in 1994 as well. So right when he got on the scene, he was producing, man. He was not a bust at all. Obviously not a bus. We're talking about him as a great fall time. but he was producing right away.

So he made that GM feel very good right from the beginning. Greatest show on turf. Obviously, that's what you think of him whenever you hear about him, which was one of the coolest, you know, names that you could be, you know, associated with in all of football. And what's great about Marshall Fogg and LT as well is that these guys were the running backs when the running back position was the absolute cheat. Like everyone wanted to be a running back growing up.

Best player. Not really anymore, but this. Coming back. It's coming back. It is coming back. Look at all the great tears right now. Where these guys, where everyone growing up, even if you were a defense alignment, you still wanted to be a running back.

I was a tight end. I wanted to be a running back because of these guys, L.T. and Marshall Falk, baby. No, without a doubt. Isn't it crazy to think? He played with Peyton Manning. Hey, Manning? Yeah, he played.

He'll pay you, man, all this shit too, though. Yeah. No, but he, no one remembers him. Everyone, everyone forgets about how good of a cult he was. He's got his, his jerseys in the rafters. He played four years there, and they retired his jersey. He was rookie of the year. His first game on the scene goes for 134, three touchdown debut.

Like, that's crazy. He just, he was a fucking machine. He hit you, like, he hits you with the run, run, long run, hit you out the backfield. talk about seam route. We talked about seam route with LT. He ran seam routes. He ran post. I saw him run a bang A, a post from the outside, which is a real receiver route.

He used to run real receiver routes. Now, they always throw this, this running back can run routes like a receiver, which, you know. Which is rare. Like you can't, you can tell when it's a running back that split out wide, especially in this era. Even now, no, a lot of guys, even the analysts will say this guy runs, he's got routes like a receiver. But no. Not true. No, that analyst is wrong.

Yeah. Marshall Falk, though? He had routes like a receiver. Yes, he did. He had routes like a receiver. If you can run a post route, split out wide and run a post route as a running back, that means you got routes like a wide receiver. That he, I mean, in cuts, outcuts, option routes.

The typical route for a running back right now, five yard hits route. Fricking, uh, you start at one step turn around. What's that called again real quick? Like the quick pass you just stepped one turn. Screen? Yeah, a little screen, rip screen to you. they also a little under angles and the seams out of the backfield

Marshall Falk was running the whole entire freaking route tree route tree yes that's for sure I mean in 1999 1,300 yards rushing 1,00048 receiving Chris Johnson broke his record in 2009 though

2,500 yards man I forgot how good Chris Johnson Oh Chris Johnson CJ 2K baby yeah he did that that was crazy that year The greatest show on turf year, 1999 to 2001. He had 59 touchdowns, six, or the greatest show on turf, had 59 touchdowns,

6,756 yards of offense. And he won the MVP in 2000. Who won the MVP? No, that's his stats. That's his stats. Oh, we do that. The three-year run in, the three-year run in St. Louis with the greatest show on turf, 1999 through 2001.

He had 59 touchdowns, 6,756 yards at offense, and he won MVP in 2000. And a Super Bowl. That is an elite three years. Now that's a show,

if you ask me. I mean, Marshall Falk made playing on turf cool, even though playing on turf wasn't cool. Like everyone wanted turf fields in high school because of Marshall Falk. Falk in the greatest show on turf.

But you get so bruised and banged up playing on turf that it was it was the worst idea ever to even step on. And it was old turf. You know what's crazy? He was on old turf and he didn't, he played that many games and didn't miss that many games. That is crazy. That is like, that's built differently.

You want to hear a little cool fun fact? John Payton was his running back coach at the San Diego State University when San Diego State. He was there playing running back. How does a guy create it? That's crazy. know what it tells you there's a lot of unscouted guys in Georgia if he went to san diego state or uh there's a lot of unscouted guys in louisiana if he's going to san diego still well talk

about getting uh unscouted he only had one offer that's what i mean yeah it was to san diego state that's what i mean you get yeah that that's how much talent there's probably goes unseen in louisiana i mean you went unseen and you're california we got a lot of big people it's a big but you weren't that good in high school i was pretty nice yeah but but But also his high school, they were kind of like a heavy passing offense as well. Like they didn't really. Okay. But he must have not been that great in high school, though, because if you're that great,

you kind of like changed from going to a heavy passing offense. Like, yeah, let's hand the ball off. Like this guy's a hundred times better. But like, he must have really burst onto the scene at San Diego State University. Like once he got in the college, kind of like you, Jules a little bit. Not everyone is a beast from the beginning. Late blooms, they call it. Yeah.

Late blooms. I'm telling you this. It's better to be a late late. bloomer than an early bloomer how about i can tell you that right now it sucks to be the greatest as a young buck and then you don't make it no yeah so late bloomers i'm a late bloomer i think you just bloomed yeah um he sold popcorn at the at the super dome as a kid how crazy is that that is pretty crazy but that's that's a lot of stories that just shows because that just shows his work ethic just as a kid that's installed into him and that's like that's what makes you great

great. Like I was a paper boy growing up and I took that route personal and I wanted to make sure everyone had that paper on their front porch when they woke up in the morning with the coffee in their hand opening up the door. Like the hard work and dedication was just installing to you as a young kid and that's just like Marshall Fox selling popcorn at the Superdome. He wanted to the job and he wanted to get it done. You ever have any crazy jobs as a kid? I was a paper boy. I was also an umpire as a kid and uh I was a I cooked. Let me see your strike three let me see your strike three you out of here mother trucker is you used to ring these kids i used to do i used to umpire at college in kent and i used to ring up these kids all the time how i'd change it up certain kid lefty i mean i got in a real you sound like a like a true pro right there but that's you you love like you love the animated effects and you sounded like, oh, you got me there. Shit, I just struck out over here with that strike guy. I would over here to ring these little kids up, send them home.

Oh, hey, it'll be, oh, be, don't be, don't be thinking that ain't a strike kid. Hold on, back to Marshall Falk. I mean, there's one. Yeah, I got a real pickle ones. Doing what? Let's hear it. I like pickles. Yeah.

Especially angelica pickles, Rugrats. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. No, she was mean, actually. Yeah, that Pickles was mean. All right. All right. Back to your pickle. Oh, oh, Tommy Pickles, too.

Tommy Pickles was my favorite. Oh, Pickle? Like, you're in baseball? Yeah. Yeah. You're getting a pickle. Oh, you're that type of pickle. Yeah.

Okay. Literally. So the, that was my favorite. You ever play running bases growing up? 100%. Yeah. It's all about being a pickle. Because kids love to play that game pickle.

In this specific league, there was a rule where they, they couldn't, like, the catcher couldn't sit and fake throw the ball at first. So, like, they had to throw it back and the runner couldn't advance to try to eliminate, to try to eliminate pickle. So one time the kids are doing it and all of a sudden, I tell the catcher, I'm like, kid, throw it back to the pitcher, he ain't going nowhere. Well, he throws it back.

The kid takes off. And I'm like, oh, fuck. And so all of a sudden, they throw it and the kid, it goes over the kid's second baseball, the kid gets all the way to third, and all of a sudden the coach is yelling at the catcher, why did you throw it back? And the kid looks at me, and he goes,

the ump told me to throw it back. And so I'm sitting there. I got this coach over here. There's another coach over there. And I'm like, yeah, you got to go back to first. All of a sudden, this coach comes out. I was like, what the hell is you talking about? He's on third.

He's on. I was like, nah, he's got to go back. I told the kid to throw him back. You know the rule. We can't do that. And I almost had to get suspended as an umpire because this guy filed a report like, oh, this guy can't do it. So I'm sitting there. This little kid, as soon as the pitcher comes back and I get under there and it's just me and him because you know you have a relationship with the catcher when you're behind the plate.

I go, bro, didn't your friends ever teach you about snitches? And the kid goes, what? I was like, nothing. Strike! A fucking old, yeah. Having a job as a kid, I mean, it teaches you a lot of values. I mean, it sure does. You know, especially Marshall Falk selling popcorn at the Superdome.

All right. And then just a little scouting port that I have on Marshall Falk, just watching some of his film, highlight film, his top plays is that obviously he has a high football IQ to be able to, you know, come out of the backfield and run all the routes and also to be able to carry the ball and know how to hit the gaps. You got to know the whole game of football.

When you're that versatile of a player, you got to have a high football IQ, which a lot of football players obviously have a high football IQ, but he had it to a whole other level, and he's so elusive on the field. He makes defenders miss. But the one thing I really loved about him was he had one of the best spin moves, man.

Spin move with the charts. He's just smooth with it too. Remember when we were watching some research, and there was a clip of Mike Martz. Remember he was the head coach of the greatest show on turf? Yeah, I remember. What did he say about him? What do you say?

Well, come on. Marshall was, you know. Tell him, Jules. They have all these notes for installation, and Marshall's got all these pens out, and he's got very critique notes and using different colors for different positions, different players.

And I guess Marshall looks back at the team, and he goes, how the hell is no one else writing notes? Because look at all this information. You know, that's the kind of guy he was. He was a smart, hardworking dude that worked his balls off for everything he had. It wasn't like he was just that. I mean, he was that guy.

but it's crazy. He, I mean, he rival, I used to love Barry Sanders. And then, you know, I, I just remember as a kid, this guy, Marshall Falk was just so crazy elite. He reminded me a little bit of Barry Sanders with his cutting and his,

he could drop his weight and stuff. He was taller. He wasn't as short as Barry, but like, he was kind of like Barry Sanders, and then he was also a really good receiver. Yeah, he was like a little bit thicker than Barry Sanders, but also he can go out and run routes.

Yeah. It's crazy. Which is nuts. That's why, like, I was thinking about it and I was, we were watching all this research. And I'm sitting there. I'm like, dude, this is like probably one of the best. This is the best guy of all time. Look at, look at these plays.

He is. And just talking about it. But it's crazy. Then you watch Jim Brown. You watch Walter Payton. I don't know if it's just because I just watched it. So many good running backs, bro. So many good.

But man. It's hard to decide. and decipher like who's number one. But just talk about his football IQ. I mean, look at this quote from Sean Payton. He knew not only the offensive side of the football, but also the defensive protections. And he knew the quarterback play as well,

and he studied it hard. That's just from Sean Payton. Michael Strahan said he was a coach out there. He's quoted saying that. So like, that just shows how smart of a player he was, and that's what took his game to a whole other level as well. So just speaking of that, Jules, what type of guy is Marshall Falk?

What kind of dude? What kind of dude is he? What kind of dude is Marshall Falk? I mean, he hits a lot of things. These running backs are over talking about them. None of them are actually like freaks. Like none of them stand out to you like that. Like I would say like, look, Garrett Blunt was a freak because he like he was like six four.

Derek Henry. Yeah, Derek Henry is a freak. Like these guys aren't freaks like that. I mean, they're not. No, but they had it's freaky that. It's freaky what they're doing, but they're not freaks. It's pretty freaky how healthy he was for how much football he played. I mean, he's got some dog tendencies.

He's clearly a freaking stud. But when I think of him, I think of him as an innovative guy. We're on the same page, brother. Same page. He pretty much. How smart he was. Smart and how he's changed the running back position to what it's become now. Look at Seekoine Barkley out of the backfield.

Look at Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield. you know, it's such a pivotal part of a lot of these offenses, a running back, they usually have a two-headed monster. You know, Detroit has, you know, Montgomery and Gibbs and Alger and and Robinson and Atlanta, these two. This guy did all three downs and was just as good as all those guys and better at a lot of these, and everyone at both of them. Like, that's how good Marshall Falk was.

He invented a position. He evolved the run. running back position. That's why I think he's a whiz. Hey, I'm on the same page and just his football IQ and just the coaches and former players that just talk about how smart he was and how he knows everything that's going out, you know, going on on the football field. That takes your game to a whole nother level. I mean, you can be an freak of an athlete, you know, but if you don't know what to do out on the football field, you're not a good football player. You can be less of an athlete, but you know how what's going on with the game. And he wasn't less of an athlete. You can be that much better

than the guy that's more athletic than you out on the football field. You're a better football player because of that. And what's also crazy is Marshall Falk had 760 receptions in his career for 600. More than me. In 7875 yards, Julian, in the regular season. You had 620 receptions only for 6,822 yards. And he was a running back and he had more receptions in yards than you, which is out of control. I'm not saying anything against you.

I'm just saying that's how good Marshall Falk was. back in the day. And guess what? They didn't throw the ball as much either back in that era, you know, back in the late 90s, 2000. We'd also be so crazy not to mention one thing. Kay Falk's cousin. Kevin Falk was his cousin. That makes sense. They're just running back. Huh? Kevin Fulks is cousin. That's the, that would they just, they've fought bloodline. They have some crazy running backs that know how to catch out of the backfield in that bloodline. And, and run the ball. as well. Well, I mean, K. Falk, all of our past game was the K Fault.

It was. And he was like one of the most elite punt returners. And he was one of the smartest players on the football field as well. These Falks. He knew what was going out. He knew what the linemen were doing, what the quarterback was doing? What the fuck? What the fuck? How are you guys so smart? And good. Yeah. And and freaking great teammates as well. Yeah. Great teammates. Well, what kind of dude is he, Jules? You ready? On three. One. Two, two, three. Whizz. Let's get on Mike Vrable. Mike Vrable, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear to name Mike Brable?

First thing that comes to my mind is just a tough guy. He's just a tough. How tough. Actually, the first thing comes to my mind is an asshole. Asshole. Because he just, I mean. A tough asshole. A tough asshole.

Okay, there we go. We never played with Vrabbs. but because of how legendary he was. We've only heard stories. The stories were always about like three people. Vrable, Brusky, and Izzo. And like Braves was always at the helm of these crazy stories that just floated around the Patriots locker room.

Busting balls. That comes to my head. Like I always, you always kind of remember hearing how Braves would get on to Brady and Brady would get on Braves and those wars at practice. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? A tough SOB, you know, a football player, a guy that has knowledge of the game as a player and as a coach. And he's from Ohio. And let me tell you, Ohio football is underrated.

And you learn a lot about, you know, football and who you are, you know, as a person as well. when you grow up in the state of Ohio. How do I know that? Because I played my senior year in Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh was a big rival. Just the state of Pennsylvania was a big rival to the state of Ohio. You got the Pittsburgh versus Ohio, you know, whatever that, you know, all-star game was. And just have, you know, just are tough people.

Tough players come out of, you know, come out of the state of Ohio and Pennsylvania. They're very similar. They're kind of underrated compared to, you know, you always hear about Florida, California. and you're Texas. Oh, that's where all the stars come from. All the tough guys come from, you know, the upper east, you know, in the U.S., like Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York. But he's a football guy, football legend.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Did you just try to throw New York football? Yeah, I threw New York in there. Did you just try to sneakily throw New York football in to tough guys? Yeah, because I'm from Buffalo. And I went to, you know, like I said, I went to Pittsburgh. I'll let that slide.

I'll let that slide. line your year but yeah buffalo they got some tough tough s obes here i'm telling you they got uh they got me they got my brother who played in the NFL my other brother who played in the NFL too and yeah yeah we're rolling baby we're rolling but freaking raves uh what what's what stands out to me when we were talking about him the other day though is how he was drafted in the third round to the Pittsburgh Steelers yeah told me that fact and it was kind of shocking to me because i I thought he was a New England Patriot from day one because of just all the stories that you heard about him, just the way that he played the game when he was in New England and what he did for, you know, the Patriots as well.

So I had absolutely no clue that he got drafted to the Steelers. Can you tell me how that happened as well, how he got to New England? Because you kind of were telling me a little bit. Well, he was a teamer. I mean, he played in Pittsburgh. I think he was drafted in 97, was a special teamer. And then I think once he became a free agent, Bill, like, really wanted him or something? Was that it?

Yeah, so. Why does Bill have, like, this nag of just finding these white dudes that just want to play football, just work hard, and they're not so good at the moment. And then he just blossoms them up. Versitial guys. I think there's a guy sitting next to me like that. I mean, me too, kind of. That's his project, Ninkovich.

Nickovic was a long snapper. Welker. Welker. In Miami? I mean, what was he? Just kind of a punt returner? Yeah, but I think he had 70 catches. He had a big year.

He had a big year at Miami. Not like a huge year like he had in New England for all this year. But he had a decent solid year in Miami. No, but yeah, Mike was the guy that Bill always used to reference. Like, you think you're smart. You're not no frable. Like, and that's when you know someone's a smart football player is when Bill's referencing him in motherfucking you. You know, like that, that, that's, that, that's when you know, like, that.

was always kind of like one thing that stuck out. And then just hearing from like Jimmy Whalen, the training staff on how Vrable was in the locker room, like hell core. It was like him and Willie Mack and Brew. Like there was like the holy trinity of guys that everyone had to walk through that kept everyone accountable. And I'm really, you know,

I'm pretty excited. I'm excited for this new generation of Patriots. Now with that said, I still think the whole Mayo situation that he got the short. end of the stick on this. And I feel terrible for him. And I think he's going to do well.

But like that really wasn't set up to to really succeed. Not at all. I think it was a little bit unfair. But shout out to Mayo because he's a great coach. He knows the game of football tremendously. And, you know, I just think that it wasn't set up properly for him. And I feel like he's going to have some success in the future, you know,

with another organization and possibly be another head coach down the road. road, you know, once he gets his foot back on the gas pedal. But Vrabel coming in now, like, all this stuff that you hear, keeping guys accountable, like, he's going to be the first doing it. And he can get away with saying things to guys the way he says it because he did it. He played it. And he's just as smart as the guys that coached him at it. So, like, when you have all those things,

And he's a burly motherfucker. Like, he's a big man. When you shake his hands, his hands wrapped to your wrist. He's got big ass hands. Man strength. Man strength. I still think he got four or six plays in him. You think he could play right now?

Four or six plays. Yeah, four to six plays. Like, you know that offensive package, the New England Patriots had for him. And talking about that offensive package, I think he had 10 catches his whole entire career for 10 touchdowns. What a fucking, what a ratio from catch to TD is 100%.

That's of all time. Insane. And that's just how smart of a player he was is that he knew how to get open on the offensive side of the ball and then on top of it on the defense side of the ball. I mean, just creative and just how good he was, just knowing the game. You know what makes me so sad, though? What's that? Because what makes you sad?

Now you're making me sad. No, it makes me sad because we always hear about the stories about Brady when he was like the young guy in the team and how Vrable and Bruske and all these guys used to like motherfucker him. And it was a complete. And picked on Tom. And picked on them. It was a completely different Tom that we played with.

So, like, we, and like, you couldn't, there was only a couple guys that really could jaw with Tom, but everyone was so scared to do it. And Tom would be hungry to jaw with people, like, talk shit. But, like, everyone was so scared to talk shit to Tom because he was already Tom by then. You know, like, it was always makes me, like, man, I wish we got to see them in those, those early stages where you were more kind of part of the boys instead of him being, like, like the older brother guy figure. You understand?

And Vrable was like that older brother figure to Tom. Yeah. And we didn't get to see any of that. We got to see the time where he was our older brother. And it would have been amazing to be a part of that crew. But we're just the second, you know, era of the New England pages. But there were so many times, like you said, in the training room and the coaches that were around Vrable, like, oh, you would have loved the guy so much. You would have loved to play with him.

Yeah. He gives it all. He gives it his all out on the field. I mean, he's a guy that you want to be friends with as well in the locker room because he's just fun to be around. But also at the same time, he's going to go all out for you out on the field. I mean, he was a grinder. I mean, gritty, great size as a player. And he was an inside, outside threat.

Versatility out there out in the field. And I think that's why Bill loved him so much because how versatile he was, a special teamer could play inside backer and outside backer. And when Bill gets a guy like that, he utilizes their skill. many different aspects of the game and he makes you a tremendous a player and he blossoms you like no other and that's why bill loves those type of guys when he can get him in free agency 1,000% think about it like he's played on every phase of the game at a high level in a important game he's been a teamer so like when he's addressing the team and he's watching fucking the film or having like a highlight thing that he's probably presenting the team he can

break down guy for guy because he's done it at the pro level on defense he knows everything about defense because he's you know he was he basically was in the school of doctorates on the defense through bellichick learning through him and then actually being on the field and experiencing it is another way he gets to coach guy and then in offense like yeah he was on a package or two but i remember going and going on the other side of the ball when i had to play corner like even being in those meeting rooms for the little amount of time that I was, it opened up my mind so differently on how I thought about offense when I went back to offense and how I was attacking the defense. He's done that on offense. So like he can break down the whole, the whole game

and he's a masculine figure that's going to make you do it right. And if you don't, he's going to motherfucker you get rid of you. He's going to make people accountable. That's how it was. The Patriot way that it was developed through these guys. I mean, just just talking about his knowledge of the game and just the mastermind he has within the rulebook of the NFL as well. Remember in the 2019 playoffs, Vrable intentionally took a 12 man on the field penalty just to keep Brady off of the field. I mean, he kind of outplayed Belichick in that situation because Belichick was the master of knowing the rules inside and out and using that to his advantage.

And this is a time when Vrable used it to his advantage and it was against the mastermind. Coach Balochek, so I learned that. Pretty incredible by him to do that. I learned about that little mastermind bullshit is when we went to the Kentucky Derby one year, and he fucking was, he was my handicapper for the horses, and I made like 20 grand. Like, Rable loves, like, that kind of shit. We were sitting there, and I have no clue on how to gamble these horses, and Raibs is over here, got his dip in.

I think he had a cigarette, maybe a shot or two in him. And he's fucking. A cigarette. Yeah, he was smoking sigs with a dip in. I'm not joking. I think I love this guy now. And we go and we go to the little thing where you have to put your shit in. And I'm like, Braves, what I do?

He's like, don't worry, Edelman. I got you. You know, he fucking puts him on there. We hit like a three thing parlay or something. He's just a smart guy. He's a smart guy that like can beat you up. What's the biggest thing in year one that he has to emphasize in New England? What do you think, Jules?

Well, you got to get some linemen. Mm-hmm. He got to get some linemen. It's a good point right there. They got a whole lot of money to spend. Now, knowing Mike through the years that I've known him, I'm sure he took this job knowing that he is going to be able to spend some money. He's in a great situation heading into his first year.

Obviously, he's got Drake May, who's an unbelievable quarterback. He's going to develop him to best of his potential, no doubt about that. Who's he bringing in an OC? I would say Josh McDaniel. I would love to see Josh McDaniels go there, but he has to go through the whole process. Maybe he has a guy or two out there that he's thinking about bringing in, but he's going through all that hiring process interviewing right now.

I think that would be great. But Josh McDaniels would be the best fit. Because Josh, Josh ain't going anywhere. He ain't. And he loves it there. I believe Josh is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league as well. I mean, he knows how to develop players. He helped develop Tom.

He developed you, develop me, put me in the right situations all the time. when I was in New England. He knows how to relate to guys as well, which is really good. I mean, you need that with these young bucks these days. I mean,

he made Mac Jones a pro bowler. Mm-hmm. And his rookie year. And then he left and then ain't no pro bowler from there on out. No, there hasn't been. Hasn't been. I'll contribute all that to,

to most of that to McDaniels. McDee's. Mick Dees. I like that name. I never heard that. I don't know. What about Vray ball? He took Ryan Tanyhill.

out of Miami. Everyone thought he was going to be out of the league, and he basically made him into a pro bowler. Yeah. Basically got the number one seat in the playoffs and almost made the Super Bowl, you know, a couple years with him too. So he knows how to develop quarterbacks. He knows how to get the best out of guys because he brings that type of energy, you know, on the field in the meeting rooms to get the best out of players. And that's why I hear about Vrable. And that's why people love playing for him out of the guys that I know in Tennessee. I think he just feels safe when you're around him.

I feel safe. I feel like whenever he was, whenever we hang out, we've gone out and done things together. I just feel safe. Mm-hmm. He's just burly. And he's also got the wit and like the strategy to like if something,

some shit were to happen in like a bar or something. Like he'd know an escape route, maybe take down like seven, eight people himself and then get us like, you just feel safe with a guy like Vrabel. He's the guy you want your daughter to marry. I don't know about that. Oh, all right.

All right. Well, I like when you're saying you feel safe around. I mean, you want your daughter to marry someone? She feels safe around. So you check me there, Jules. Nah. Man, I'm excited for them. I'm sad for Mayo. This is like a, this is really like one of those things where it's like a divorce. This is, I can't, New England keeps on putting me in these goddamn divorces. I feel like a kid that's had like five divorce parents. What can you explain? point more well when bill brady that divorce oh yeah now you know mayo freaking raves that divorce there's like fucking hell of because we're all like intertwined and it's kind of like incestual you're kind of like the red-headed stepchild that's just been there throughout the whole time that's just takes all the

beatings but in the end you're going to still be standing there make it tough it does make you tough makes you tough man that's why you're the toughest guy i know jules also I'd be crazy to say that, yeah, our last game with Tom Brady, Brable beat us. That's why Vrable's back. That's why he's back. If he didn't win that game. And I have his pleats over there.

If he didn't win that game, he might not be back. He might not be the head coach of the New England Patriots. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't. Because maybe he... He sent Tom Brady packing in his last game as a New England Patriot. That's probably his greatest. That's probably what he said. The first line in the...

the interview. Did he say that? No, I'm just saying I would, but hey, Mr. Kraft, who sent Tom packing? I bet you he said that. I did. Hire me now. Braves has no filter where he probably would say shit like that. He's the only player to have two touchdowns in a sack in a game, offense and defense. I mean, his versatility. Is there any other coach out there that you think could beat up, Ravel? I think a good fight would be Dan Campbell and him. Oh, it's a good point. But that's a good point. I'm taking Braves because Braves D-N. Campbell, he was a tight end.

Yeah. So what? What are you saying about tight ends, Jules? They're just not that tough. They're not as tough as D-Eads. I agree with you. You're a one of one,

bro. I agree with you. Tight-ins ain't as tough as D-Ns. D-Ns are beastly, man. D-Ns are huge. You got to be fearless. DeMiko Rions, he could be in there. They all say McDermin is like a wrestler.

It could be. Iowa wrests. But I think Braves is a wrestler too. And Braves used to go against fucking Steve Neal all the time, which Steve Neal was world champion. So Brabs already got a little in on that. So I think he's, I think Braves is taking, it's just weight, weight class on McDermott.

And he may have the skill technique, but Vrable would swallow him. Oh, shit. What kind of dude is Mike Vrable? I mean, he's stud. No doubt about it. His football IQ's up there, the pedigree. He's also a wizard.

He does look like Like he also has the best chin He does I mean he's got the best chin in football Other than like the coach coward Like he's being a stud having a nice chin's a stud 1,000% like he looks like the Ohio guy When you put Ohio guy in dictionary for like recruit

It's like big white guy Big chin looks like Mustafa from fucking Beauty and the Beast Yeah I never seen Beauty in the Beast Or is that one So I don't know. Gustav.

You know. Gustav. You know. Never seen it. Freak. I mean, he had like man strength. That's what everyone always talked about. His man strength.

Dog, he's definitely a dog. No doubt. He could be a wiz. I was thinking whiz. I was going to go with whiz. I mean, just how clutch he was in situations and just how knowledgeable he was in the defense side of the ball. I wouldn't go to a dude.

He's a dude's dude in Patriot world. like in bizarro world, which is not really like everywhere else where like being an asshole and bullying is like being positive there. So, you know, that's positive because it makes you accountable. So I wouldn't put him in the overall category of dudes do. I would go on three. What do you think? Let's go on three.

One, two, three. Wiz. Now we're going to answer some of the most requested questions. we get all the time about Coach Belichick. And we'll answer them once and for all. Let's do it. You remember the first time you met Coach Belichick? Not really.

They tell you the truth. Oh, actually, I do. Yeah, it just clicked, actually. It was at the Combine. Yeah, when I walked into the room, when you're doing the pre-draft visits at the Combine with the teams, and there was Coach Belichick when I walked in and interviewed with the Patriots. It was about a quick five minutes.

You know, the Bears was there. A couple other guys were there. Yeah, that's when I met him. You know, nothing, you know, spectacular that stood out, but I just remember going in there and just getting, you know, questions real quick at the combine. How about you? Do you remember the first time you met?

Coach Bell-check? I don't, I was like a seventh rounder, so like, it was kind of like just show up and here's your shit and your schedule, and you figure it out. And like, I remember the first time, like, we encountered each other was, like, on the practice field when I was catching punts with Kevin Fall. and he was teaching me how to catch a punt. He says, you catch a punt with your legs,

not your feet, your arms, Edelman. You got to get your feet right. So it gives you a two-way go. See, that is a great coaching tip. That is a great coaching tip because every fan out there is like, you got to catch the punt with your hands. That's what everyone's saying.

Use your hands, but really. You got to know where it is with your feet. Coach Belichick knows, you know, he's a step ahead of you and knows more. And he's telling Julian that you got to catch it with your feet. Yeah, obviously you use. your hands to catch it, but if you have your feet in place and under you, like you were just saying, it's going to make it a lot easier to catch the punt with your hands. Yeah. Yeah, great, great coaching

point right there, Jewel. I just learned something actually. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. And it's true. Like, it's true about receiving, you know, as well. Like, if you're going up and your feet aren't under you and you're all over the place and you're going up to make the catch, it makes it harder to catch the ball if your body's not lined up. The reason he was explaining the punt in the feet is because you have to read the tip. of the ball depending on what it is doing at the top of the arc of the punt now if the ball doesn't tip over with the right-footed punter it's gonna die and go right so you have to get your feet there so you get a two-way go so if you read it right with

your feet then your hands are gonna be there if the ball goes over if it instead of like if it tips over then it's gonna go far left and you play it on your right titty and it gives you two goes. So like that's what he was talking about because you're reading, it's like baseball you know, you're reading where the ball's going and so you don't do it with your arms, you do it your legs

because your legs are going to bring you to the area. Great points. When do you think you earned his trust? I would say I earned his trust my second year in the league in training camp when he gave me a parking spot.

up front. I was one of the training camp heroes or whatever was called training camp MVP's. I'm not exactly sure what it was called when he did it back in the day in order to earn the parking spot up front. And I got that my second year, you know, going into the season throughout training camp. And right when that happened, that's when I felt like I gained his trust. He believes in me. I got the parking spot up in front of the parking lot, you know. It was a privilege, you know, to earn that. And that's when, You know, it truly felt like I earned his trust as well, you know, to get that parking spot. Because parking spots were huge.

It was like walking like 50 feet less into the building, which that 50 foot extra sucked. It sucked. Cold days. Yeah, cold days blue. What do you think you earned his trust? Never did. Oh, that's a good answer. Nope.

We'll leave it right there, Joel. I know you gained his trust, but I like that first answer. He knows what I'm talking about. You know what I'm fucking talking about. I'm still mad about that shit. Why did you piss him off the most? You can't say never did that one either. I know you pissed him off plenty of times.

Oh, how about when you got in fights on the practice field? That pissed him off all the time. That pissed him off, but I don't think he got really mad at that. No, because he liked your aggressiveness. Yeah. And it's kind of like when a coach gets tossed in baseball, to get a little spark to the game to the guys.

Like I would get tossed in practice because it was a flat fucking practice. We needed a little spark. Mm-hmm. We needed a little spark. So he actually kind of liked that. I think once it was in, I think it was in like mini camps.

Remember we, remember when he fucking, we started doing those bout runs and he stopped, he stopped mini camp practice and we had to do like two bout runs in the middle of practice and then go up. up and do like NASCAR and I was like dying and I I was a little pissed at it I was because like

our load was getting high I remember you got mad at me for because I I kind of I kind of gave him a little lip I gave him a little lip on I was like we're trying to execute out here dude we're not getting anything done here fucking we can't even get lined up we got fucking guys don't know what we're doing just shut the fuck up that old man keep running what year was this was probably like 15. Remember when we started doing those bout? We did a bout run. We were, we started doing these bout runs to get our fucking load up or conditioning. And he decides in the middle of a practice. He blows the whistles, all right, we're going to do some conditioning. We had to do a full bout, which is three minute runs. You have to hit 785 yards in three minutes. You got to touch down back,

down back, down back, down back. You have three minutes of full running. And if you don't get 385, you don't, you don't pass. And we had to go do NASCAR after, which is no huddle. So, like, we were fucking trashed. This would make me want to run. Yeah. I'm like, dang, I'm not in shape anymore if that's what we were doing. When was the most human moment you had with him?

Oh, most human moment. Like, for me, his most human moment is when I remember when I got suspended. Like, he, and I got hurt. And he kind of, he could see that I was hurt. for letting the team down and he kind of had he kind of I don't remember how but he felt like he had my back

you know what I mean like that's a good feeling that you know what I mean I do and that was like the most human moment I had with him I would say he's computer when I when I tossed yeah when I when I threw that guy out of the club

when we played the cold Yeah. And then I went up to him on the sidelines. I didn't even say any words to him. I just started dancing in front of his face. And he loved it. Loved it. And if you're getting a fucking penalty,

like a personal foul penalty, he hated that shit. And I got a personal foul on it, too, and he loved it still. Now, that's a human moment right there. Because he just, you did your job too good. Yeah. And you can't get mad at a guy

for doing his job too good. You're right. That's a great play. I did it too good. You did your job so good where you drove the guy literally to the back of the end zone. Yeah, that's why he loved it. Personal foul for doing your job. Because coach is always in the film room, they'll say shit like that.

Like, this guy should be with the fucking cheerleaders with how he plays. You should block him into the cheerleach. Gronk literally blocked him into the cheerleaders. Mm-hmm. And got a 15-yard penalty on it. Oh, that was so funny. Love coach. What was the best advice he gave to you?

I mean, he always gave great advice. You know, thinking about it, to this day, I didn't truly understand it when I was 21, 22, 23 years old. But he always, you know, I always stuck back in, you know, in back of my head. But he always exemplified and made point that nothing good happens past 12 o'clock at night. That's true. he always reiterated it and now thinking about it to this day i use that line all the time i'm like why would i go out at night time nothing good happens past 1 a.m let's party during the day you know and it was a great point party during the day yeah can't get in trouble during the day i bet you he's

gonna use this he better use this to show all his fucking his unc team you know what i mean this is his right there. Get bears on there. Who's his guy? Chris, Matt? Before we get to the chillos due to the week, I just want to say, coach, happy birthday, man. I am forever indebted to you 100%. Thank you for everything that you have done for me in my playing career. Thank you for drafting me to the New England Patriots. It was the best fit for myself. It was the best fit for my family. It was the best career move that could have possibly ever happened to me in my whole entire lifetime. So, Bill, thank you very much and thank you for all the coaching points and getting me ready on a weekly basis. And thank you for all your, you know, clever jokes as well that made me giggle throughout my

career too. I'm just starting a tear, grung. Geez. Thanks. Happy birthday, coach. Happy birthday. Yeah. Thank you.

Appreciate everything. I'm indebted to you, too. I mean, we all are. We all. You discovered us and you let us be a part of, you know, you know, the game that we love and you got to teach us the game that we loved at a high rate, you know, and let us experience it with you.

It's been unbelievable to be part of his story. And, you know, it's happy birthday, big guy. Happy birthday, brother. And win some fucking games to make me look good because I always have your back.

And I want to see a picture of you posted on one of his IG accounts or social media accounts of him in his birthday suit. That would be pretty cool. Birthday soup bill. It's a birthday suit. Let's get into the chills due to the week brought to you by our favorite beer. Coors Light. Get Coors Light

delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly. I got to Jules. Blue 40s a hut. Jules wide open for a touchdown. grabs the Cori's light. He cracks it and he is as chill as

the Rocky Mountains. The chill is due to the week. obviously Bill Belichick Yes What kind of dude Is coach Belichick This is easy I don't even think that we have to go over the

You know Categories of what kind of dudes You know coach Bill Belichick is Kind of a dog Yeah he is I think we all Yeah he

I mean Yeah but that's just off the field Or maybe he has to be a whiz All right To get all that Yeah that's the way I was leaning towards obviously yeah bill's a fucking whiz no doubt about it not even it's not even a debate not he's definitely not a dude i'll tell you that right now and he ain't no stud i mean if he's a freak

he's a freak without anyone else knowing oh not us knowing yeah not us yeah i mean like you said he's a dog a dog he's a dog but he is but not a full hundred percent dog no but he's a whiz we love you coach your whiz whiz stamp it let's get on andy reed jules andy reed what's the first thing you think of when you hear the name andy read our hat on oh and we're gonna put a chief's hat i'm not putting it on i'm not going to put the chief's hat on either i'm gonna just show it hey everyone andy reed it's a kind of a cool hat i like the design the colors are cool i'll uh maybe uh it fell off i'm sorry I can't wear that hat. First thing you think of?

I'll just put it right there, Jules. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to keep this Patriots hat on jewels. I feel, yeah, there we go. I feel more comfortable in this one. First thing I think of when I think of Andy Reid. Yeah, let's hear it.

The State Farm commercial when he asked for the nuggets. You can eat those nuggies? No, but like, yeah, that's the first thing you think of is someone that, like, loves football and that is a players coach. You know, I've heard just through everyone that has played under them, they love playing for Coach Reed. And it seems, you know, he's an offensive guy. It's a fun environment, but I guess they really work their asses off too.

There's always talks about how tough their practices are, and it's evident through how his teams have always played. He's a really good coach. I mean, 300 wins. There's only three people that have that. You know, Halis, Shula, and Bill. Like, that's a lot of wins.

And he's been doing it for a long time. And it looks like he's not going to, he's not going to slow down if he doesn't want to. He's got his quarterback. He's not slowing down. I feel like he can coach easily for another 10 years for the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, they're going to be a combo for quite some time.

I can't see him retiring with, you know, Patrick Mahomes basically in his prime. And he's going to be in his prime for the next eight years minimum, I would say, especially with having coach Andy Reid right there by his side. I mean, this guy is a three-time Super Bowl champion. He's a one-time Super Bowl champ as an assistant. Packers.

With the Green Bay Packers, what year was at? 97. 97. I mean, 2002. 86. AP NFL coach of the year. Yeah, 97, he won the Super Bowl as the assistant. I mean, when he is, when, think about this.

This is how amazing Andy Reid really is. He's a winning this coach in Eagles history. But there's an asterisk there because he just, just never won a Super Bowl with the Eagles. Even though he got them to a Super Bowl, they just ended up losing. Four NFC championships in a row. I think what?

They lost to New England Patriots, correct? When he was the head coach, was that when T.O. was on the team with the ankle and he came back and did all that good stuff. I mean, he has 27 total playoff wins as well. And Coach Bill Belichick holds that record with 31 playoff wins. And I'm sure Andy Reid's probably going to surpass that either. It can't be this year because they had a bye week,

but probably this year over the next couple years, over the next couple years. I mean, he's, he's a special, special guy, man, unbelievable coach. And like I, like you said, players love playing for him, love his personality because he's like a players coach. I'm going to reiterate this, but players coach, like you said, but he gets after it on the practice field. Like there's no slack. And it's full speed.

Once you hit that field, it's full speed. And you're, you're getting after it and you're going. So you got to, you got to love coaches like that. that's how you have to practice as well because that's how we practice right when you hit the field it was full go if you want championship team if you want to sustain success you got to go out on the practice field and practice like it's game time

every single time you hit that field and that's what they do it just shows man you have to have you have to have the big three in order to win I mean Andy one of the greatest coaches of all time in Philadelphia

couldn't get it done because whatever it was either the GM or the quarterback. The head coach GM and the quarterback have to be on the same wavelength. And he's found that right now in Kansas City. And he's a huge part of that because of just... You watch him when he's... We were watching the film of just his miced-up stuff

and his ability to explain to players as a former player. You could tell he was a former player. on how to like use your pad level. Use, like, when you're telling a fundamental and you're, you're coaching a guy, hey, drop your fucking weight, you put your right arm. I don't think he swears, but drop your weight, put your arm here, use your level. Like, that's really good, that's really good coaching. Like, you watch his stuff.

He's a very intuitive coach, very fundamentally sound. He had a lot of, early on in his career, he had the clock ship, though. You know, I remember always, he always had clock stuff that he would, he would kind of fumble with overcoming his clock management was. I think they talked about that was the big knock on him for about his first 20 years of his head coaching career, right? About that, you know,

class management. I can tell you this, he's managing that clock better than ever now, you know, with the Kansas City Chiefs. And that goes into everyone having to be on the same page. Like, you have to have the quarterback to do that.

You have to the, you know, just makes things easier. He's at a level and he's evolved where he's, it's like how we were. They're playing. chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Like everyone keeps on saying, oh, they haven't

blown anyone out this year, but you watch them situationally and got to have its situations. His teams are always prepared. Third down, four point plays, red area, like not beating themselves. Special teams. Special teams. When it comes down to that. They got a great kid. Like, he's just

got it right now. And it seems like he'd be an awesome coach to play for. Yeah, awesome coach to play for. He's tough. And what I really liked about him when we were watching those NFL films type things and how he was talking to his players like it's not like he's screaming on his players like he gets their attention every time he talks uh his players were listening and it's like he's just telling you you know he's telling you in a way to where you want to use it you know for your benefit out on the field because every time he's coaching you he always has a great point

like you were talking about the pad level having your right hand down and get it inside or whatever it was that he was coaching you with just a way that he presented him and the way that he was telling you, like, it was always just like you have to listen and it just caught his attention, you know, every time he was talking to you, which was like really cool just to see that relationship between a coach and player. When I watched that, it reminded me a lot of how Skarnikio would coach the lineman, you know, he would tell him, like, beat for beat on what you had to do. You have to put your right foot here.

You put your right hand here instead of yelling at a guy saying, hey, we got to. do it better. Like a good coach explains like what you need to do to get better. And you were watching, Andy Reid does that. He's been around the game for so long. He learned under Homegren, who's, you know, one of the greats in this whole West Coast system, you know, from Bill Walsh disciple. Like I grew up watching these teams, these Niners teams, these Packers teams. And like to see him have his shot with his guys and his like version of it, I mean, it's remarkable. Yeah, and on top of that, I mean, I feel like any reader, like, really doesn't even have an ego. I feel like he's open-minded, you know, he's a great schemer. He's so experienced. He's a football lifer. He's a player's guy.

He's innovative with the play calls. He's just very personable as well. And if you have an ego, you're not going to be that personable. And that's why so many players can relate to him, you know, all linemen, quarterback's, tight ends, defense. it doesn't matter, special teams. And he's just got that West Coast gun offense as well that he has perfected, especially having Patrick Mahomes at the helm at the quarterback position. So Andy Reid, just a special coach and just unbelievable out there, man.

His coaching tree. You got McDermott, Harbaugh, Nagy, freaking Peterson, Spags, Leslie Frazier, Pat Schumer, Todd Bulls, Ron Rivera. I mean, he's got some good, you got a big. The list goes on and on, man. Mm-hmm. And I mean, I, freaking, any time I'm around Shady McCoy.

Mm-hmm. What does Shady always talk about? Oh, Andy Reid's weight. He always be talking how great Andy Reid is. And just over the years, man, I've, I've thought about it and he, he's a damn good coach.

Hey, how big was Andy Reid as a kid? I remember that punt pass, uh, the punt passing kick clip when he was 13 years old. He was just towering over everyone. It was at the LA, Coliseum and he just looked like a grown man compared to all the other 13 year old kids.

And I was a punt passing kick guy back in the day and I thought I was towering over kids. I mean, Andy Reed literally looked like four times bigger than the next biggest kid out there out in the field. So that just shows that he's a footballer, you know, for life because he was in punt pass and kick at 13 years old. That's incredible, man. I love that about him. You got to see that clip.

It's hilarious. What about the Hawaiian shirts that he always wears? I mean, it's, it's, he's just a cool dude. He is. He, he, he's happy with him. Mm-hmm. He's happy with his way. He's comfortable in his own skin.

He's comfortable in his own skin. He really is. And that's kind of part of being a great coach is being comfortable with who you are. That makes you a great player as well. You got to be satisfied with everything in your life with who you are. And then you can go out there and just dominate. And I feel like Andy reads in that position where he's so satisfied with who he is in his own skin. that he can go out there and just be himself at all times

and not even think about it. Do you think Belichick would ever dress up like Santa after when? I don't think so. I don't think so. Maybe the Grinch back in the days. You'd be like, no, no celebrating. Let's get the film now. Oh, man.

Man, it's important to have that humor in a locker room now. It is. Humor is great. We had other guys that did that, but it's cool, you know, to see, you know guys like him do that who do you think's better in the commercials Andy Reid or Saban oh you're bringing up Sabin now Sabin verb bro commercials all right I don't know I definitely got to go with Andy

read the chicken nugget in the state five commercials nuggies you're gonna eat those nuggies Andy Reid just has that personality as well for the commercials Nick Sabin's more of like you know no great coach but I mean he's kind of you know a little bit more stiff than Andy Reid I would say Yeah, but they use the stiffness. Yeah, they do. They use it to their advantage. But Andy Reid just overall, I think, I think wins that category.

What about top three reddest people to get on the sideline when it's cold? He's up there, right? Well, if you include. McDermott, if, Coughlin. I never, I never heard of this argument before. I mean, I just feel like. You know, like McDermott is red, dude. He's right.

He's right. Every time we play, I'm like, because it's always cold in Buffalo, but still. Cofflin, like, he looked like he was going to. He was. at all times he was just ready he was like a steam coming out of his head at all big red gets red too i think it's i think that's andy reed though he's always red fucking and that's why he it was great when he had you met at santa claus like it just fit him perfect i never met i never met him yeah we ever have man i think we we did a knit i haven't really met him either i bet he'd be

really cool really cool i'd love to like talk about our battles with him from his side like his perspective what he was thinking why he called that play yeah what he thought you were going to do and what type of coverage he called because of it and why he couldn't stop you going across the middle on a crossing route you would ask him that like hey and you why couldn't you stop me on the crossing route every time it was third and ten I knew it was coming to me

because I had you they had to put a lot more eyes over there no because you're just dominating jewels get out of here no one was covering you that's true um so on his interview with Jeffrey Lorry. They're at a steakhouse. And then the waiter comes in and says, we got a ribby,

a New York strip or a filet. Which one would you like? And Andy Reed says all three. Which is a pro move. Because what if you get it sliced and then you get to each? And he became the winning is football coach in Philly history.

In Philadelphia history, yes. I think that's what made Lorry pick him. A man that likes all three cut. is a man good in my business. What's your favorite cut? I'm a rib-eye guy. I like ribby, too, a little more fat. I like that marbalization, just crystallize in the steak,

and every bite just melts in your mouth. And that's why Andy Reid likes, too. Well, he likes all three. Well, I think he has like a... That's why I knew he liked that ribby as well. The ribby. He likes it all. Strip.

Mm-hmm. Man. I'm getting hungry. But what kind of dude is Andy Reed? Andy Reid's definitely a dude's dude. He is, but I want to give that to him fully because he is tough out there on the football field, on the practice field. He did run T.O. out the building. Mm-hmm.

He did. Which I think T.O. maybe ran himself out of the building. So he had no choice. Tio is nuts, man. He's definitely a wizard. I mean, the intellect, intellection of the game. He can be a freak. Because he's the only lineman that probably knows past game.

the way he does. He's studly for a coach, you know? Yeah. Dressing up his Santa Claus. I mean, Santa Claus is the biggest stud in the world. The guy brings Christmas presents to everyone. That's true. Every single year, you know, to every kid out there.

So, like, that's kind of like why Andy Reid does. He brings Christmas presents to his team, to his players, like all the time. Wins, playoffs, schemes, plays. Let's open you up on this play. Here. let's do a ring around the rosy everyone stop and then you go over here

you go over here we'll doll it up with this and then you get miraculously wide open Travis Kelsey exactly and just wide open no guys within five yards that's a gift right there on three what do you think he is one two three whiz

yeah this guy's a whiz no doubt I mean every time all offense alignment are basically whiz not all of them but like they could be freaks too They got, they are, they can be. But he's also a whiz because of, I mean, anytime we would play those guys, I remember Bill always saying, like,

watch for some gimmick thing here in the red area, this, that, because they were always adding to their tool belt. Like, they always had a new play on deck at all times. And I've heard that they have, like, those little powwows where they all get to, like, bring in a play on Tuesday and put, like, that's pretty whizzy. He's letting the kids be whiz. He's letting the whiz and the Riz go throughout the building.

He's a whiz. Could you beat Randy Moss in a 200? Now, we have this debate. Oh, I know. We have this debate. We argued this. I mean, look, in my prime... In Randy's prime.

I could have been 10 meters behind him in my prime. Cheers, brother. Slate. One for you, one for me, man. Who's the chillest due to the week? Our boy. the captain Matthew Slade. Appreciate you guys.

And what we're going to do is we're going to sit and ask Slate some questions and we're going to determine what kind of dude Slate is. Off of the questions that we're going to ask you. This is our very first time having a guest on the show. So we appreciate you coming here. Slate is the bad.

Being patient with us, just going along with us, your two favorite teammates that you've ever had in the locker room. And being another great teammate, once again, but this time in the Nut House locker room here at the dude's house. We appreciate you, man. And we want to figure out what kind of dude you are with the questions that we're going to ask you.

Let's see. All right. All right. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. First off, you got your notepad. Oh, yes, I do.

I'm taking notes. There we go. Yeah. And he's going to probably, you know, spit some facts out there that we should probably listen to in life as well because this is Slater. Let's start off. Let's start off with a hard one. What kind of dude do you think you are?

Ooh, that is tough. Because you want to be humble. Yeah. Or you don't. What kind of dude do you want to be? Yeah. I like to think the team dude. What was the description?

A dudes dude. I'd be a dudes dude. Bring the vibe up for everybody. Put that down, dudes, dude. I see that. Positive influence on the guy. Positive influence? I never really seen you as a negative influence.

Never. I appreciate that. Well, I mean, Jules did a lot of negative things when you were his roommate. So what were you doing inside that house? What was going on? Was he a negative influence behind the scenes? He made it out on skate. He was not your roommate.

Hey. We don't know. You would be on the giant. We got him to the giant. We got him to the whole thing. I'd be on the giant. You got him to the hall of him. I'm going to take all the credit.

You should. All right. So dude. All right. That's what he thinks. All right. Well, Slate, did you wear flip flops in the shower? You have to wear flip flops in the shower.

You have to. You have to. You have to. Well, why's that? Why do you have to? Because I've seen some of them feet in there. I got going there without them. Can't do it.

I got some bad feet. We're in a lot of routes. I see my own feet. Yeah, we've got to have it. All right, all right. So half two dudes. All right. Who's the most famous person in your phone?

Most famous person in my phone. Yeah, most famous. I mean, I would say one of you guys, but TV probably. TV. Oh, TV. All right. TV. Pretty famous.

T.B. I would say he's up. He's up there. He's, I mean, that's really, who's more famous in TB anyways?

He's got the most famous. I mean, this guy, this guy, yeah. We wish we had his number. Yeah.

You guys probably got all, all five of his cell phones. Ah, he's like, all five. All five. He got his new cell phones like socks. Go on that one.

That was good. That was good. So TB, okay. All right. What was your college GPA? 3.1? Oh,

three. Oh. Yeah. Low. low. Oh, well, was a little low.

Oh. Oh. I thought it was going to be way higher. Slacking a little bit. That's why you didn't make it into the Ivy League. Makes sense now. I was just, I'm disappointed with that one.

Your GPA in the special teams world, I would say at least at 3.8. I appreciate that. Extra curriculars. Too many curriculars. Too many video games. What video game did you play? Oh, we're playing NCAA football.

Okay, okay, I just making sure. So you were a crazy maniac in college. Yeah, we had an issue with the video game. Okay. We should play as a team. We played each other. had a pot circulating. Some of those guys may be watching.

They know who the best was. And it was me. Slate, you're the best one. I had a 3.1. I was playing 3.3. Slate. At least you're the best one. Who'd you play with?

What was your team on NC2A? I would go Ohio State. What year was this? Ted Ginn. Ted Ginn. Oh, Wyatt. Another special teamer. We go four wide, spread it out.

And then you had Troy Smith, running quarterback. See, I can still remember my roster. We were good. We had that thing rolling. He's hitting four verticals looking off. Get it up. Get it up.

Use your coming and drink out. Run with choice. Get the edge. I get it. All right. So NC2A played that. Okay. What was the song on your college highlight film?

Ooh. Hmm. I cannot recall. Ooh, you can't recall. I can't recall. Sounds about right. Play too much football. Yeah.

Yeah. I've been hitting the head. I can't hit in the head. No recall. Let me put that on the notes. That's not good. No, ooh,

that could hurt you. How many college offers did you get out of high school? Ooh. I'm going to say like 15 maybe. Ooh. What were you? A three star? I was a three star.

Oh, okay. I was not Rob coming out. 15. And funny enough, I had a four star. I had a 15. That's a big note.

I committed to go to Dartmouth out of high school. I was going to go the Ivy League route when I was taking my study seriously in high school. And, you know, I chose to stay at home and go to E.S.L.A. and play at home. Play D1, obviously. I mean, UCLA still. That was a great choice. UCLA. It worked out. It worked out. Right. Top five public university. Number one. Top five. Top five. All those cow bears out there. Berkeley. I mean, Berkeley. Oh, it's us. No. Look at the latest. Look at the latest rankings. Same division. Same conference. Number one.

Cal, you're number two. All right. Slate, let's get back into this. Determine what kind of guy you are. What was your first car? My first actual car was a Lexus GX 460. Fancy. And I got that my third year. I'm in the lead. Before that, I was right in my dad's car. First ever car. What was your first ever? It was my dad's Lexus. He loved me. He loved me. He left me. He loved me. He left me whipping around. Lexus family. Toyota makes a good product. They make a good product. Okay. What do you drive now? Right now, I'm in an Audi. I'm in an Audi. Electric E-Tron? Oh, E-Tron.

One of the people for the Earth. Yeah. I like that. See? Taking notes. Taking notes. It's really going to determine. No, no.

We're really going to determine what kind of duty is. All right. This is good. Wait, I got to put in parentheses, electric. Electric. Put that in parentheses. Slate, what was your first endorsement deal? My first endorsement deal, Rebock.

Rebop. Team Rebock. You told Nike to kick rocks. Before. Before Reebok. Cut me loose. Reebok cut me loose. They cut you loose?

They cut me loose after my third year. Well, I think they cut everyone loose. They went on to 10 pro bowls in Nike. Yeah, take that Reebok. Thanks, Reebok. Oh, oh. Yeah, never mind. You told Reebok to kick rocks.

Rebock kicked me the curb. But I think Reebok kicked everyone to the curb. They left NFL. Yeah, they did. Well, they had JJ. JJ was still wearing Reebok. JJ Watt. He was still wearing Reebok.

Was he wearing? He had his own line and shoot, which I probably would have chosen JJ over me as well. Oh, JJ. Okay. Rebock. Let me see that. Rebuck. All right.

Kind of like a throwback type of guy. The old pumps. You don't know all pump plates? I remember the pumps. I was being rebocs with pumps. That's why you were so fast. I don't know I feel you're pumping up those shoes. Good old Jim well and you walk in the training room.

Coach, I'm hurting. Just pump your shoes. Just pump them up. Get out of here. Pump those shoes. I need to stay out of there with Jimbo early. All right. What, um, what's a square.

root of 144. Oh, I know, but I can't give him the answer. 144. Can I phone a friend on this? That's easy, Slate. Come on, man. You're committed to the Dartmouth. It's all right. We got it. It's not. 72. You're just, you're just messing with us. 12. 12. 144. I don't know that. I thought we would have that. See, I'm not a math guy. Didn't know. Edit that out. Wait, you really? You really don't know that part out. You really don't know that. It's 12. Oh, okay. I was going to say it. Didn't know. It's DB 12. No. Fast. Not fast enough. Describe your locker.

Was it messy? It was messy. It was messy. Okay. Yeah, it was bad. Bad. When you're there for so long, it's hard. Yeah, I mean, I got all this stuff in there.

I got 16 years worth of the stuff. Stuff. So many. People send it in. Yeah. Bibles and stuff to slate. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. Jerseys, rovac, uniforms.

Xbox to Nike. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. 16. years in one spot. A lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff. All right. Um, I got one. If you weren't a pro athlete, who would you work for? Or what would you do? Well, you know, I've always had a passion for ministry. So I think, you know, my plan before I got drafted was become a youth pastor.

So that would have been the road I would have taken. Pastor. I'll put that down. That's PSA, T-O-R. As a pastor now. and a fight breaks out at practice, what do you do? Fellas, we got to, I'm going to do the same thing I did when Rob fought Michael Bennett at the end of the Seattle game. Explain that. Stop, fellas, stop. You know, like, I don't, you know, I don't want, I don't want guys fighting out there. But, you know, that's part of the deal sometimes.

It's football. Like, this is a gladiator sport, so it happens. All right. What's the most you've ever bench pressed? I don't know. you know I mean yeah you were you were

in that way now 375 375 that was that was that was that was maybe

pre the four shoulder surgery yeah yeah yeah so acted like he didn't know but knew mm-hmm

375 that explains a lot what type of guy he is a trickster all right trickster have you ever been fined and for how much

I have been fine. Ooh. From who? From the NFL or from coach? From the NFL. Oh. Face Mask, my rookie year, right? In the preseason.

I go my entire career. Don't get fined again. My last year I get fined twice for, you know, illegal crackback blocks because I'm trying to hustle and block for the returner. He didn't save it. No, I didn't save it. I went head hunting. Forearm shiverer up high.

No, James. I'm just kidding. James Strass. I'm just kidding. I was not head hunting. I'm just, that was no, illegal crackback blocks. So you're just running towards the other side. Yeah, just trying to finish my ball. Which is completely understandable for a guy that played in the era where it was okay to do that. That's right. It's hard for him to change his mindset in the latter part of his career. Yeah. Well, you change your mindset once you get fined. That's really saddles in. But I'm kind of taking it. He's kind of a dirty player. dude yeah face mask like he's freaking playing hard not he's masking playing hard whistle the whistle

rob getting find twice that's not that much yeah i know i'm just messing what's your fastest 40 time ooh i mean we all know how this goes right you're fast man i one time ran when i was training i ran yeah that's the one i ran uh four to eight four to eight oh who four and we can't argue that I got a second on it. What was your fastest 100 meter? What was your high school time? High school I ran 10-6-2. 10-6-2.

17. Now, how fast do you think you could have got that if you were training as a man? If you put the same amount of man hours that you put into your special teams. I don't like to talk about what I could have done and this, but... Are you breaking 10? When I ran in high school, I did not live weights. No squad. I didn't live any weights in high school.

Oh, you got so much faster. I was 17 in my senior year. So I think I could have, you know, I think I could have touched 10, 10, 3, 102. 10 3. I mean, I ran over 23 miles an hour with pads. With pads. Oh, my gosh. So fast.

Yeah. Was that your last year as well? Oh, I wouldn't run no 23 last year. Okay. And then last-18, 21-9. 21-8. 21-8? 20-8.

All right. I was like 15-6. It was bad. Yeah, right. You got up and boxed up. He had it. He had it. He had it.

Wait. Last. speed question. Could you beat Randy Moss in a 200? Now we had this debate. Oh, I know. We had this debate. We argued this. I mean, look, in my prime... In Randy's prime. I could have been 10 meters behind him in my prime.

Shadow Shea. Shadow Shea took sweet. I ain't going up against Randy Moss's speed, man. That's an all-time speed. All right. So he said, Randy... What was Randy's 40s? He ran like a 4-1, didn't he? No, he ran 4. No, he ran 4. I don't know if he ran, but he was... We used to mess with Randy.

He floats. He does float. It's crazy. Because Randy was, what, like 32, 33? We were spry. And Chad O'Shea used to mess with Randy all the time. Slay can beat you. Slay can beat you.

Randy didn't like that. He didn't like that. He didn't like that. But that was fun. He'd be like, oh, Chaddie of. Hell not, Chaddy, yo. Oh. All right.

When was the last time you're? cried. Oh. Besides when you heard you were coming out. Last time I cried. Last time you cried. You know what? I was at a, I was at a funeral for Don Hasselbeck. Don Hassel. A couple weeks ago. Funeral. Great man. Great mentor for my wife and I. And, yeah. Great football family. Yeah, they really are. They're great people. They're great people. They're great be back. Whenever I, whenever I see Hasselback, just always a great deal. Yeah. They're tremendous family. Really good on TV. too. Yeah, they are. Very knowledgeable.

Sharp guys. Sharp men. What's a first date with you look like? First date? First date? Yeah. I like to go somewhere quiet where we can actually, where we can talk. Walks and talks. Yeah. You know, you go to a movie, you're not really talking, you know,

dinners a toss up. You know, maybe you just go hang out at the park. My wife and I, our first date was a cheesecake factory. Oh, beautiful. With Gary Geith. Gary. He was third willing it. He was third willing it. But, you know, it gave us an opportunity to talk.

I mean, you got to talk on a day. You got to get to know one another. Now, oh, really important question to follow up on that. What cheesecake did you guys order? Oreo cheesecake. Of course. Come on. Oh, so good.

The best. Oreo. Quick story about Gary Guy in. When I was a rookie, he was the linebacker here for the Patriots. And he made me feel like I couldn't play, you know, at this level in the NFL because he jammed me on my very first route. And I didn't get off the line of scrimmage for about five seconds. And then he finally.

backed up and the ball was already thrown. I was one yard off the line of scrimmage when Tom threw that ball. So Gary, you made me feel really uncomfortable out there. I think it worked out all right. It did. You need that. You need that. You need that. You need that. You need that. It woke me up. That's right. I got a I got to really focus off this line of scrimmage. That's right. In the light of where we're at, some would call that an NFL baptism. Some would. We got to, we got to wrap this up. Okay. A little longer than we anticipated. What You didn't do with your four kids. What's that?

He said, we got to wrap it up. I said, what you didn't do with your four kids. It's getting a little out of control. Get them. Yes. There we go. The Bible says. That's what, okay.

That's what you shall do, right? That's it. What's doing my job? Just doing my job. I shall do my job eventually. What's the last book we read? Last book, the psychology of money. That's a lot to you.

It talks about, you know, how. our perspective sometimes shift once we start making money and how greed really plays a huge factor in a lot of people experiencing financial ruin. And I think, you know, that is very true, especially in America. So, that's it. I got to read that. But what is it called? The psychology of, wow. That's P-E-Y. Okay, just making sure. Wow, Slate. Two morning. I told you. Your last one. I told you Slice gonna be a great gas, man. He's gonna keep us, you know, straight edge.

Definitely. That's what he's doing. We're learning from him. That's what we do is. We're learning a lot from him. And we already knew a lot about him. We knew everything about him, but now we're learning more. Yeah.

Let you got one more question and I'll go one more question. All right. All right. This is a good one. Okay. Because we really haven't talked about this category with you. Yeah. How did you prepare your steak?

Yeah. Who? Were you like an absolute dog? animal out there, just a wild one, just eating it rare. Now, here's a, here's an inside track for you guys. If you ask 10 black folks how they prepare their state, seven of them are going to say, well done, okay? Are you in the three?

And I came up a well done guy. And then I started hanging out with my brothers from the other. And I realized that medium, maybe medium rare is the way to go. Slade. I'm a medium guy. Medium guy. Medium guy. Yeah.

Like the Loura. Converted me. And then lastly, how do you eat that steak? Depends on who's around. By yourself. I had to go hands. Oh.

You're going to my hands. Ain't going on it. Fork knife. No, no. You're by yourself. I like that. I mean, when you get down to the bone,

you got to go hands. You pick it up with your hand. You got to go hands when you eat the rest. And just eat what's left on that bone. Me and my sons. We're going. bone. My daughter and my wife around. I'm using, I got

to use the fork. You're respectful. You're teaching the boys that you got to get all the meat. You got to get all. No meat left behind. That meat close to the bone is some of the best meat on that on that state. Well, I think we got all our stuff. Let's one sec. Yeah, let's go

review this. Ernie, shall we go to the booth? We're going to the booth. I're going to the booth. We're going to the booth. We got to look this over. You see, yeah, he I think he's a dude's 3.1. I thought he was going to be happy. Me too.

So he's really not a whiz. 4-2, though, fast. Oh, yeah, that's freaky. That's freaky. Academic, read about money. Oh. And he likes his steak medium. And he also eats it with the hands when no one's around.

But preferably uses forking knife around. Okay. All right. You know that? I got you. Yes. Yes, definitely. Mm-hmm.

On three, what do we think he is? One, two, three. Whiz. Yeah, we think you're whiz. As we kept on saying throughout this interview, we kept on learning about new stuff. I learned that greed is the route to people losing their money. I learned that if you're six foot five and a dog, you could play special teams for 12 years. I learned so much about Osgood.

I mean, yes, I mean, I was a little disappointed with your GPA, but there's a lot of factors that are there to that. You were committed to Dartmouth because you were actually that smart. He got into Dartmouth. You were doing so many other things as well, like being an all-star in the video game world and being a brainiac there. And that was helping you out on the field. And you knew that was your real master of your life was football. I'm going to tell my wife that later. Still a 3.1, you got by and you didn't even care about what was going on in the school world.

And you still got a 3.1, but you were a master with a 4.0 on the field. And then video games that made a lot of money doing that to take care of your family. There it is. You know what? And also, you have to be a wizard. to be a teamer for 16 years in this fucking league. It's really, like, that's what people don't understand for you to constantly innovate yourself each year to bring value to a team where they're literally giving up a roster spot for you

to just play special teams. That's unheard of. 16 years. Pro bowler 13 years. All pro 11 years, whatever. That's, that's, that's a wizard. that's a wizard. It's like some Harry Potter shit, Slate.

I know you're religious and you don't read that stuff, but it's like Harry Potter's magic. I'll take it. I appreciate you. I appreciate you coming on the show, being our first guest here on dudes. We weren't really sure how I was going to go, but I can tell you this. You took it to a whole other level with us, man. We felt really comfortable with you. And not just on top of it that you're a whiz, man.

You're a dude's dude as well. You bring the team to get. You're a dude's dude. You're a dog. You're a stud. I appreciate it. On the field. But the main aspect of your life is that you are a wizard, man.

You are. That's why you are a whiz. Can I just say something? Yeah, go ahead. Let me just say one thing. I am very proud of it to you guys for how you've transitioned out of the game and how successful this next chapter is for both of you guys. Keep killing it.

Thanks, man. Thank you. I mean, I'm going to shed a single tier. Me too. I'll shed a tear. I feel like this is egg knock time back in 2010. You know something? Your stud is well now.

That was studly what you just said. I appreciate it. He was drafted in the 21st round of the 1958 NFL draft by the Philadelphia. It goes my mind was just blown because I just learned something, Julian. There was that many rounds in the NFL draft back then. They used to have a lot of round. Yeah. How many rounds were there total?

30 rounds total? Yeah. That's absurd. Let's get in our next guy. Let's do it. Got the AI summary right here in my hands, standing six feet, four inches tall and weighing around 250 pounds during his playing days. He grew up in Daily City, California, and played college football at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Obispo.

As an offensive tackle, he was drafted in the 21st round of the 1958 NFL draft by the Philadelphia. It goes, my mind was just blown because I just learned something, Julian. there was that many rounds in the NFL draft back then. The 21st round. Yeah. How many rounds were there total? 30 rounds total? Yeah.

That's absurd. That's absurd. I'm glad they knocked it down a little bit. That would be way too much if there was 30 rounds. It wouldn't even make sense. It wouldn't even make sense. You better have large rosters. Oh, but was there less teams?

Was there only like 10 teams? Is that why there was 30 rounds? They're just throwing out. It's like kind of getting drafted to go to the military. And if someone showed up, they showed up, then great. Kind of. But if they didn't show up, well, he didn't show up. That's why we drafted 50 players to our team this year.

If you got to go. That's when we know. They just didn't have it. You're going to draft 50 guys back then. The ones that don't show, we already know they don't have it. More like baseball, not military, but yeah, we'll take it. And he went on to become one of the most successful head coaches in NFL history, winning over 100 games and securing a Super Bowl title in 1977.

After his playing and coaching days were over, his football intellect and natural charisma helped him become a legendary broadcaster, pitchman, video game pioneer and cultural icon. Let's get on John Madden. John Madden. And Jules, what's the first thing that you think of when you're here to name John Madden? The turduckin.

Ooh, turduckin. Who doesn't think of the turduckin? This guy used to cut the damn turduckin with his fingers, those big ass offensive line sausages that he had. He cut the turduckin on Thanksgiving, and he would reward the MVP of Thanksgiving Day with the turduck and turkey leg, chicken, whatever the thing is. Whatever leg it is, he would give it to him.

We all know about it because of John Madden. Thanksgiving, John Madden. Football when you watch it, John Madden. If you're a kid that's in his 30s or lower or 40s, maybe even early 50s, taught you the game of football through his video game. John Madden is one of the most important names for the NFL. one of the most important names for the national football league. I mean, you got kids out in Tokyo and Africa and India playing American football because of John Madden.

Video game. I don't know if that's actually true. I know it's the highest grossing American video game of all time. But, you know. It sounded good. It sounded good. That's all matters. That's all.

But, you know, Daily City. I love John Manon because he's a fellow. College of San Mateo alum, go Bulldogs, went to CSM, the same juco that I went to. He was born and raised in Daily City. So he had a huge Bay Area influence. And then he also coached the Raiders, legendary, got them their first, was it their first Super Bowl? Got them their first Super Bowl with Al Davis with that cornerstone organization and the history of that organization to be the guy that brings them their first. I mean, he's just, he's an absolute legend.

His name is synonymous with football. Here's the question for you being a California guy. How did being a NorCal guy shape his approach to the game? That's a question I just do at you. I mean, it's not even just John Madden. How is just being a NorCal guy overall? I mean, John Madden set the standard, but like how do that change the approach or how did he see it, you know, approaching the game, you know, just being from California?

Well, if you look at him on and how he was on TV, very approachable. Like there's always the stories of how John Madden took the bus everywhere and was always big in the community that he was visiting. Would go up to people. He was like the most famous guy in football and he would go hang out at like the local restaurant. And I think maybe that's what the Nellar-Calness he has is being able to be a very intellectual dude, but be able to break it down to, simple for everyone to understand. Kind of techie. Kind of techie.

I mean, he's C++ and shit. There we go. That's the answer that we're looking for. All the techies are from California. He's coding shit for you to understand. There it is. He's basically coding football for the regular viewer to understand.

I mean, Daily City, the freaking cloudiest place in the world, but awesome right by the SFO. Literally, it's the, that's why they're geniuses. They don't go outside of all.

It's cloudy. It's so cloudy. What's the point of it? going outside. There's no sun. We'll stay inside and you become a tech master. And that's kind of what he was. Well, in the Bay Area that you have this mountain range that is along the whole coast and it funnels all that fog right from both north and south, right into like Daily City. And so Daily City always freaking foggy. Shout out Ceramani. That's over there. Saromani was this mall where everyone would go get their Air Force ones.

it was in Daily City. Shout out. Say in that era and being that consistent for that long of a time. Yes, you got to give it to him, I would say, right? Who would be up there in that competition? There's a lot of great ones. I mean, I don't know. John Madden is the guy.

But he is just the guy. And that's why he got the video game cover. Doink! Wap! Hey. Wap. I like Wop. I want to say Wap.

Wap. He used to go boom. Just the way that he broke down plays, too. Like you said. He invented the Telestrator. That's why he is who he is because you said it. He made the game simple. And the game of football is not simple.

There's a lot going on, especially for you the quarterback. You've got to know 15 things going on in a matter of a split two seconds. You got to know where the safeties are, who's blitzing off, what the defense alignment is doing, what your wide receivers are doing, what are the calls at the offense line position. And then when he broke it down, when John Madden broke it down on that little you know chalkboard or whatever he was doing yeah he's the one who started that type of shit too to break it down with the fans he made it simple for fans to understand the game of football for people

that don't play the game of football because it's hard to understand the game of football if you don't play it and if you can break it down easy it gets the fans more involved and that's also what made him so iconic is he got so many fans involved in understanding the game of football because he broke it down so easily and that's kind of how i am too i appreciate when it's simple, Joel. When McDaniels was calling 50 calls at the line of scrimmage, you got to do that when the blitzers. I'm like, no, it's a lot for me.

You got to think. I like one. It's simple. And McDaniels found that out, too, as my office of course. And he's like, I'm just going to keep it simple for Gronk. And that's when you thrive the most. So I appreciate John Madden for keeping it simple. You understand it and you can just go out there and do what you got to do.

They call that kiss. Keep it simple, silly. My dad used to say stupid, though. You ever meet John Madden? I didn't get to meet John Mann. I never have either, but it feels like if we ever did meet him. Yeah, it's like you feel like you know, you be your good friend. You know what he also did?

Like he brought in the telestrator. He brought in, you know, Madden. I remember hearing stories that they originally wanted to make it eight versus eight because they didn't have the technology to do 11 versus 11. He was like, hard no. If we're going to teach football, we're going to teach it correctly. He taught football. to the viewer.

The Telestrator, what that did and what that showed was, that gave an inside look of how a coach coaches a player. You know, the great Telestrator coaches that we had. I had Scotty O'Brien where these guys would sit up there for 20 minutes and they'd be doing John Madden's shit. All right, you guys, he'd draw like a butt here, a butt here. You've got to get up there and go. And these guys get on these Telestrators and they think they're fucking Picasso or something.

And, you know, and it's, you know, but it brought the best. out of them as well. It really did. It was a form of entertainment. And it was. And it made it broke it down simpler as well. And made it simple. And he was the first. John Madden was the first to show people. That's how we broke down film. That's how like probably in those days they had overhead projectors where they would show. All right, guys, this is what we're doing. And like that, that little thing right there is so huge. And now you look at like how they show games now. Everyone, every network is always trying to look for that new thing that's like the telestrator with all the different camera angles the fucking camera that goes in behind and everything like all that stuff you could he's a

pioneer a lot of that shit you know what i mean the madding game i mean i mean john madden so legendary they already have a movie coming out about john madden you got nicholas cage playing madden and i've seen some pictures of him he kind of looks exactly like madden i don't know how they do that nicholas cage is a skinnier guy and like what do they do fill them up with pillows yeah I mean, when I used to fill myself up with pillows, I'd be in one corner. My brother would be in the other corner. We call it Zooms. And you just get as big as you possibly can stuff as many pillows as you can.

And then you would run full speed at each other and just crash right into each other. Kind of like Mark Allstop versus any linebacker in you, we meet at the line of scrimmage. And then we would just go flying backwards. But our protection was the pillow. So that's what I guess Nicholas Cage is doing right now. Let me explain something to some people out there for all you people that think like, Oh, I got a baby gronk in my house. Look at this kid's.

His form of entertainment was running full speed into a wall with pillows, okay? Into another person, not a wall. Built different. Into another wall. You can't coach this shit. He literally, the former entertainment was playing hockey downstairs and fucking running into each other with pillows. Full contact.

Look at it. That looks like Madden. That's Nicholas Cage. Holy shit. Yeah. They got his titties and everything. I'm going to be watching the movie. You remember Matt he used to have man boobs.

We all love Madden's man boobs. Would you have rather played for John Madden as, you know, with him being the head coach? Or would you rather have been his broadcast partner? I'd rather play with him, played for him. I heard he was an awesome players coach. I took a picture recently in a bathroom. I forgot where I was. And it was a quote of John Madden.

He goes, guys, what was it? I think it was like you can't break. If you don't make a lot of rules, guys can't break them. It was something like along that line. Didn't I send it to you guys? The fewer rules the coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break. Keeps it simple. Keeps it simple.

The rules that he has probably get fouled so well because there's not so many rules. And I think he did only have three rules. What were they? They were simple. be on time pay attention this is like kindergarten I love it

I could have thrived I could have gotten an A you know playing for John Madden back in the day and play hard when I tell you I like that so what if he doesn't tell you to play hard

you don't have to play hard you're probably just playing your game but then like when he really needs like that team to step up his team step up to another level brings him in the huddle hey motherfuckers I need you guys to play hard right now

and whoop the motherfucker and asses. And then they go out there and play hard. I bet you he had, he probably had some great, like, pregame speeches. I mean, the guy knows how to talk. Savvy. Savvy. Clever. And it was always, like, oh, he's like entertaining talk. Like the booms and, you know, he would come up with names and he would, like, he analogized the regular man shit to, like, I really look up to people like John Madden that just have that wittiness to them. There's a lot of people like that. Greg Olson has or Strayhan has it. You know, Terry Bradshaw has it.

Like you put them in any situation and they can just be witty with whatever's going on and figure out a way to explain what's going on or a way to ask a question of what's being evaluated right there. John Madden had that. The words he would come up with, the way he would explain things, you got to be born with that trait. I mean, you can develop it a little bit. I got it in a way, like, but they have it to a whole nother level.

And it's like, I envy it. I love it. I love what they just do. And John Madden had that. And that's what made him so great as well. And that's what made him such a great speaker and a guy to explain the game and broadcaster and coach. Because you can relate to people when you can, you know, speak like that. And I, I love, I love people like that.

And it's crazy. He's one of the, he's the only broadcaster to go on the four big networks, NBC, CBS, ABC, and then go into Fox. He did all four. He did the big four. That's when you know you're good. Hearing old stories from Shanks, one of our bosses at Fox, he used to say that like John basically gave the template of how we're going to call the game. And it was basically like a play sheet of like how you would prepare for a game. Like the information groups, like building a scouting system. There's he taught the people on like what information he wanted to see like what the coaches request for all the film guys for when they're breaking down an opponent.

I heard like he was a huge part of all that. I could be completely wrong and may have just thought that through my my brain. But I remember Shank's talking about a lot about Madden. No, definitely. He was one of the first guys that brought in the interviewing with the players night before whenever you hear like, oh, we're talking to this guy. You know, like that was John Madden. And that's a true inside perspective into the game is when you get inside the heads of the player. And John Madden started that, like you said.

And that helps you out in the booth as well. And it gives, you know, a better perspective to the fans. EA Sports. It's in the game. All right. Before we get on, though, and figure out what type of guy he is, Jules, I got a question. What was your best Madden rating? I don't know.

Yeah, you do know. I really don't. Come on. You don't know? I was in the 90s. I'll tell you mine. You were a 99 club. Yeah, I was a 99 clubber, baby.

That's why I asked you that. So I can boost my ego up a little bit. 99 clubber a couple times as well. What was I? I don't think I really deserved it like one of the years, but I was a 99er a few times. My best. What was my best? 95.

95. That's not bad. 95 is really good overall. It must have been your speed that knocked you down. Yeah. Your quickness is definitely a 99. Should be elite. What's your speed?

What was your 40, by the way? 448. Oh, that's not bad, actually. 451. Yeah. But your quickness is just through the roof. Through the roof, Jules. 95 overall.

That's not bad. You're on the cover? Mm-hmm. What year? 12? 11? You were on the cover, Madden? Yes.

Yes, Jules. You've been on so much cool shit, I forget half of it. Yes. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. It was really cool, man. I think it was 2017. You didn't get hurt after the curse was gone.

It was. It was gone. I forgot. the guy before me broke it who was on it the year before me remember that but yeah i was gronx spiking on the cover i mean it was special dude it was really special to be on the cover of madden so i just want to give a big shout up to john madden for creating madden and giving me the opportunity to be on the cover and it was special dude it really was just just to you know it's an honor be in that category you know to be recognized like that

You know, that was one of the coolest things that happened to me while I was playing, you know, in the NFL. It really was. Hell, yeah. I mean, that's a huge honor. And I didn't know my score, but like I remember back when we were playing, we all looked at our score. I knew I was on a high 90 of some sort, my best. But like, that was a huge thing in the locker room. I mean, you got guys that like, what the fuck, man?

That's all they care about now. That's all they care about is their goddamn man rating. I mean, what was it? The New York Giants? They were, uh, or was it the Jets? They were cutting guys based on their Madden score. I mean, that's what they said. Yeah.

I mean, the grandson was running it. Yeah, I mean, that, that just shows how influential. Yeah, influential and how legit Madden is. Let's get into what kind of dude is John Madden? Like this one's easy. Easy. I mean, he's, he's definitely a stud drafted in the 20th round. Maybe a freak.

We all seen the man boobs. that's out of love. Definitely had some dog in them because I've seen a mother F some people. You see a mother F in the old footage is. He used to yell. And he used to remember he used to have all those great commercials. He used to have a lot of great commercials. He's definitely a dude.

But I think it's easy what he is. It is. On three, one, two, three, whiz. Why do you think he's a whiz? He's a whiz. I mean, like you said, he broadcasts for all, you know, four of the major stations. He was a head coach. He was a player.

And just the way he broke down games, you got to be a smart and intellectual guy in order to do that. And I would say that's his number one aspect of who he was, was just his knowledge. And when you got that knowledge, you're a whiz. He literally got inside the game, as EA would say, because of John Madden. Love some good whiz talk. That was awesome. If you had the whiz, you got that Riz, right? Right, Jackie?

Riverside. Jackie, there, you hear me? But let's get into the chillest dude of the week, brought to you by our. favorite beer Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly. Let me crack a beer. He tossed me one too. Toss me too. Oh, said dressing. That was good catch. Thank you. He's got hands. Oh, he forgot to do the thing. Oh, he's got hands but no brains. Ooh, gronk somewhere is probably just like, he heard that from somewhere like,

because he always loves that when we do that on this, on this show. And he ends up drinking the whole beer. He's like, man, I feel good. I should do this more often. We should drink him at the beginning of the show. That's what he says every time. Okay, so what are we doing? Because this is the mega episode about whizzes and we just listen to all the dude segments about whizzes,

we're going to build our ultimate whiz using the best traits of the whizzes that we just talked about. Is that track? Wait, say that again. So we're going to be built attributes from the whizzes we just talked about, which are Richard Sherman, Greg Olson, Sebastian Voller, Kyler Murray, John Madden, Troy Palomalu, Marshall Falk, Mike Rable, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, and Matthew Slater. We're going to find out who has, whose football IQ we're taking?

Who's X factor? Who's clutch? I see it now. I see it. All right, let's do it. First and foremost, it's a whiz segment. So whose football IQ are we taking? Or should we save that for the end?

Football IQ? I think you've got to save that for the end. Let's say that for the end. Let's start with athleticism. guys that we've considered whizzes. Yeah, that we've deemed whizzes on the show. They are part of Wiz Cannon now. I mean, shish.

Right now off top, from this list, two standout. Kyler Murray and Marshall Folk for straight athleticism. Slater? Slate is speed. Okay. Okay. Speed. I think you can include Sherman in this list.

Sherm's in there too. Yeah. Because he's got body. He's a big guy that can move. But for, I need Rob here to Rob. Rob. I think it's one of Sherman or Falk. I don't know, man.

Kyler Murray's pretty damn athletic. Shifty, dude, he's like drafted and play baseball. I mean, they're all great athletes. Outside of, you know, madden, and Belichick. I mean, Troy Paul Malu's crazy. Andy Reid could be the past kick and pun or whatever he did, past throw a punt. He won that. Yeah.

We know Belichick's not it. You know, he's not Bill. You know, it's not Bill. I mean, Greg Olson threw a javan in high school. Seabas is like German. That counts. He's just from another country and just picked up football. It's tough because they're all good athletes.

I'm going to Kyler Murray. Kyleor, boom. Okay, now X factor. Intangibles, which I personally think we don't include much as much as we should when we're talking about whizzes. Yeah, I know. Like that clutch factor, I think, is something we don't necessarily take into account and we're determining. X factor. I got one, I think.

I was looking at Troy Palomalo, too, man. Yeah. They had really great players on those Steelers defenses, but it was like, unvaried, like, what the hell is he going to do? Yeah. He's not supposed to be in the box versus, like, when he's supposed to be in cover two. And the place he's making, like, not just, you know, in the deep defensive back foot, but he's in the offensive backfield, he lives everywhere.

He's not supposed to jump over the center and make the tackle on the quarterback before he gets the ball. Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be Troy Paul. Okay, cool. That's a good one. Clutch. Who is clutch on here?

This is an opportunity to go coach. Nice opportunity for the players. Okay. Coaches are clutch, but... Greg Olson's never won one. Kyleen-N-1. Tyler Murray's never won-one. And everyone else is a Super Bowl.

Matthew Slater. Okay. Is probably the clutchiest special teams player of all time. When your team needed a play a down inside the 30, even routine, like Matthew Slater made that play.

Biggest games he played in those games. The Super Bowl MVP that I got against the Rams, I think he had a bunch of... He had, like, our punt team won that game. That was a punt best. that. You know, getting those guys to fair catch. But he also got leadership skills, too.

Can I throw out Mike Rable? I was thinking Braves, too. Three touchdowns in the Super Bowl, too. And he had, like, worthy sack. He had those sacks in the games in the Super Bowl, I remember. I mean, he took Ryan Tannahill to an AFC championship game. Not that's clutch, but Clutch. I mean, Bill's got six super, eight Super Bowl. I mean, Bill's pretty freaking clutch. That's pretty fucking clutch. A specific moment, not calling a timeout against Pete Carroll. I think that's football IQ. Yeah, but it's in that moment. That's poker right there, man. No one to hold him, no one to fold them.

I think ravellible. I think raves too. Vibes guy? Vibes guy. Greg Olson. Greg Olson. Yep. He's such a vibes guy.

He's such a vibe guy. He's such a vibe guy. Anytime I've been around him, dude is like, goes out of his way to make everyone comfortable, very knowledgeable about a little bit of everything. Not particularly great at driving the golf ball, though. I mean, he could drive the shit out of the ball, straight down the middle every time. So yeah, Greg Olson on vibes. Okay.

Innovativeness. Yeah. That's Andy Reed. With all his formations and his offense of stuff, like they did the ring around the rosy bullshit. Like, who does that? He's fun with it, but he also has purpose with it. So I think definitely. He's up there in age and he's been around the league forever and he's still pushing the

envelope and still like creating and being innovative in the game of football. So it's a great one. Leadership. Matthew Slater. Slater. Okay. I got an inside job on that, though. Best leader I've been around.

Frable. Yeah, Vrabe's already taken. You can double up. Yeah, but I'm going with Matthew Slater. We always joked when the sky was falling there in New England. There's one meme for Slate. It's the GIF, Jif, the Titanic captain just sitting in that goddamn, that thing about with the freaking water about to explode and goes down with the goddamn.

That's fucking Slate. He went down with the ship. That's leadership. It's leadership, bro. Vision. vision now that's where you go john madden yeah okay because he had the vision for this dumb little video game that he was seven on seven football that he's like hell no if we're gonna teach these people a game of football it's got to be 11 on 11 to even go down this route and for it to be how

as big as it's been communicating different cultures through football i mean that's john madden that was his vision and there's a lot of people behind that with trip and And all the people at you know all this, Jules. I don't know. I would say. I literally got forced fed or I got served a clip today with John Madden in like 2001 broadcasting a Patriots game.

And he's like, you're going to, you know, everyone's going to say some stuff, whatever. It's not, we're not there yet, but it's really early.

But I really think this Tom Brady, young Tom Brady guy plays a lot like Joe Montana. Now he's not Joe Montana. This is 2001, 2002. So, vision. Also invented the Telestrator.

Yeah. He visually changed the, the whole game. of how we watch it and interpret it. Okay, we got three more. Strength. Seabass. He was like six foot, seven, eight with a six-pack in three-fifteen.

And have you seen him lately on Instagram? That dude is a thirst trap. He stole it for me. He's all over like German NFL media stuff. He's killing it. And off the field after retirement, still incorporating Germany, the country he's from to the game he's loved and that he's adopted as his own. I mean, he's just expanding our game.

That's all he's doing. And he's strong as fuck. He was a strong human. Former strength now swag. Swag. Sherm. Sherman. Yeah.

You mad, bro? Yeah. I mean, you could go Kyler Murray here too. Kyler, yeah, but I mean, Rich is, Sherman was like his talk and everything. The way his body language was, his dreads coming out. He always had, he was just, he was a swaggy dude. Yeah.

How he played the game. How he talked to the media. He knew he was like when he lined up against a guy. He's like, I'm going to win this battle. It's really cool to have one of the swaggy dudes come from Stanford. Yeah. That's a swag in its own. He came from such a smart school.

The fact that he's even cool at all. But there's a lot of Stanford guys that are pretty cool. I mean, Andrew Luck isn't cool. No, that's what you think of. Yeah. Remember Toby? Gearhart? Gerhard?

Yeah, I was sick. Chris McCaffrey? McCaffrey? Yeah. He's swaggy, but he's swaggy because he's just white. Yeah, because he's a white athlete. He's good. Yeah.

I mean, I think I agree with Richard Sherman with you, But, I mean, Andy Reid has a different type of swag. He has large man swag. Yeah. The Hawaiian shirt. He got like Jimmy Buffett. That may be more aura than swag. And then football IQ.

I mean, it's got to be Bill. It's got to be Bill. I mean, come on. We did miss someone. We didn't include someone very. Marshall Falk. Yeah. He could be an innovativeness as well.

Yes. You could put him in vision. Vision. I mean, he's all of them. I mean, all these guys are fucking like all of them level, you know. Marshall Falk was a clutch. I mean, he was everything. Should we create a different attribute for Marshall Falk?

Yeah, there's just the category is Marshall Falk and he wins Marshall Falk. Running on turf? No. Evolving the game for running back. Well, him and Roger Craig before him out of the backfield, Tom Rahmonds guys. He was just, he was like the first time a receiver, like there was a receiver in the backfield. Yeah. I don't want to get into that because people will be like, it's a whole thing.

What about that? Yeah, but he was definitely like at the right era. That was number one offense for a long time. That offense was insane. Okay, to wrap it up, for the ultimate way is for athleticism, we've got Kyler Murray, for X Factor, we've got Choi Palomalo, for Clutch, we've got Mike Rabel. For vibes, Greg Olson, innovativeness, Andy Reid, leadership, Matt Slater, Vision, John Madden, Strength, Sebastian Volmer, Swag, Richard Sherman, football IQ, Bill Belichick, and for Marshall Falk,

we've got Marshall Falk. Do we agree with that? Sound off in the comments, if you disagree. Yeah, Rob said good. Rob agrees too. Yeah. Yeah, we texted him. Now he telekinesis me.

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