Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Highlight Reels: Bill Parcells Stories

Episode Date: December 28, 2025

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Yeah, they always had drills. Like on how to carry the ball? I don't know if they did it. We used to do that. Bill would show those plays and say, look, asshole. Like, you're not. Look, asshole. We're not doing this.

No one. No one does. Hey, if you're going to do this, it better be the last play of the game. And we need, you know what I mean? It's just fucking funny. Oh my gosh. I would hate to be in the film room with Bill after if I had done that lateral. Oh, my God.

No, it was crazy, though. Crazy, man. And this game was crazy too. Insane. That set up, Kishan's other touchdown. The end around, as we mentioned earlier. Is it F reverse? Are you on that play?

It was Bunch right, Tost 38, Gator. Z reverse left. The same fucking play? Yeah. That's incredible. So we would change. Formationally, depending on personal, yeah. They started getting all that zip, zoom, snug bullshit later on.

That shit, I had all that shit with gruden punk ass. Zip is just basically, yeah, Taylor Zita got to come in to block. Yeah, or come half zip down. Because we would do that too. We would go bunch right, we would go bunch right zip tossed 38 gates. So I would come and zip down and then come back around. Yeah. What's Gruden like as a coach?

Let's get through this. Anyways, before the half, we get up 17-0-0 here. There's a little scuffle, a little scuffle before the half. You like to see that in playoff football. Jumbo Elliott and old Kevin Hardy. They were getting into it. Jumbo was big, man. I don't know what type of office in line, me you play with,

but he might have been one of the big. He couldn't walk through the door, man. He was one of them type of dudes. All-time name, too. So big. Yeah, we had a couple. We didn't, I had one really big. Trent.

Yeah, Trent Brown. Trent Brown was a large human. I think he was like six, nine. But Jumbo was a large. human but ripped up. He had the little, you know how we used to have, we had the V back in the day. Yeah. That's what he had as a line.

And he had the V. That's like crazy. We had a Nate Soulder. Yeah, I know Nate. Nate was really, like, he was 315 pounds of the six pack. Yeah, this is how Jumbo was. Yeah, you know what I mean? So there's just like Jumble was cool, too. Big bone men. Jumbo was cool. That was one of my coolest

offensive lines I had. Heck yes. No, it's so funny, man. I, before you mentioned the halftime, before the half, Jimmy Smith scored, I believe. Yes, 52-yard bomb. Six seconds left. Right as the half was exposed.

So I was supposed to go in the game. Oh. Be the safety. Be the safety. Wow. Barcells and Belichick got into it. And it was the craziest shit we ever, I ever seen on the sideline between two coaches ever, because Belichick didn't want to put me in.

Parcells wanted to put me in. Belichick said, no. And they went right up the rail. Bomb, touchdown. And then Parcellus just lit his ass up. Oh, my gosh. How was that relationship? At that time, I thought it was fine.

And it's great now. They like boys and shit. Now, but at that time, I thought it was fine. I don't know the difference, right? He came back the next year. But that thing, my eyeballs, I was like, because I was standing there, ready to go in. Yeah, he knows the situation.

You know, and he's like, no. and Parcell's told him at this time Parcell said something to the effect of you think you know every fucking thing that's your fucking genius huh you think you know everything that's why you fucking got fired from Cleveland yeah that that'll get it

the fumes going shots fired I was like this oh shit so when the situation came up again I went in and got the interception Yo. That was the craziest thing. But I've seen Bill do that to the coaches before.

Parcell's a type of coach that goes for neck. Oh, my God. He's going to go for kill shot. Man. Just to try to light that fire in your ass. Kill shot. I watched Bill get at Charlie Weiss what time because you know how you do the cards?

Yeah. The cards wasn't in sync. It was like all messed up. And at this time, Krispy Kreme. Krispy cream donuts had just became a big thing came to the East Coast of New York So we used to make all the younger guys go pick them up Friday Friday practice

Yeah, whatever yeah pick them up put them out And Charlie would come to the players lounge And get some. We know Charlie liked some donuts He had messed up the cards one time And Bill said I bet you if those These fucking cards A crispy cream donuts you'd have got that right

Jesus We was like Oh shit Next up Tylaw compares the coaching styles of Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, and Pete Carroll. What was the similarities and differences between him and Parcells and Pete Carroll? And was to you, and then you went to the Jets and you went to the Chiefs. How was his ship?

How was that? Man, I'll tell you what, you know, come in and get dragged. What made him different? What made Parcells different is, you know. Belichita. Well, I'm going to start with Parseltz, because he's drafting me. So Parcells was the master manipulator when it comes to the mind. And like he'll make you so pissed off psychologically.

He'll, you'll run to run through a wall. You want to prove to him that. Bill Sims used to tell me crazy stories about that. He told me, he told me I was going to be the first, first round of NFL history where you get cut in training camp. That's the part of it. He's like, what the father is that law? You're going to be the, he caught me to the side.

He's like, listen, right now you're working on being the first, first rounder in the history of the NFL to get cut in the middle of training camp. I'm sitting there like and my stupid ass you know at the time you know just being me from Aliquibout I'm like well do what you got to do you know come on

I'm whoop all that head do what you got to do stupid you know what I mean but that's just that's what I was you know what I mean and then eventually you know he was like man he was the best

but he always rolled me and it was one particular game where now I established myself as kind of physical and aggressive and he was like you know what you got everybody scared of you out there all right but this week

this guy's gonna kick your ass so he was talking about Michael Irvin we was going down to play the Dallas Cowboys and Michael Irvin I think he had just hit you know and like said

Annius Williams one of the greatest you know what I mean look up to Nia's trained with him but he gave Nia's to business you know what I mean it was like nine catches

or something like 200 some yards and shit I'm like damn so Parcells challenged me saying if he do that to Nias Williams because he said you're damn sure know A Nia's Williams

You know, that's what Parcellus told me. He's going to kick your ass, but guess what? I'm putting you on them. You know, you think you're good. So, man, when I out there end up having two picks, you know, I think the defense player the week, all that stuff. But I wasn't even thinking about playing, you know, Michael and the challenge of him. I was sitting there thinking I got to prove Parcell's wrong for fucking with me.

You know, I'm going to show you that I'm not the one. And I had to take it out on Michael at the time, you know what I mean? But that's how my mentality was. but Belichick, you know, that's how he got the best out of you. Belichick, he's going to sit you down because he was my DB coach, which I loved, by the way, because you had to do the least amount of studying when he's your coach because he doesn't did it all.

Everything that he says is going to happen is going to happen. It's going to be one or two things. And what I really fell in love with the way he coached, he was my DB coach. We were playing the Saints. He said, look, if they line up in this formation, tie it in here, guy on the, top of the numbers. If he's lined up on the top of the numbers, he's going to do a curl.

And my thing was, I didn't want to be on the wrong end of highlights. What if you run a curl and go? He's not going to do it. If he run a curl and go, it's on me. So I said, shit, seen the formation is coming. Bam. Sure enough. He did exactly that. Came in, jumped in front of it, picked, and it was like, shit. So now, when we're moving, Belichick had you in such a great position mentally that you went into the game so confident and saying that if anything happens put it on him but guarantee this is going to happen and that's how he was as a coach so when he left and came back we thinking like that's our boy man me and lawyer called him illegally i might add you know at the time because we ain't supposed to you know contact him and stuff like that but that

was our guy that was our coach so when he came back man we were so happy and then when bill walking the Bill and we're trying to go do like the group hug type of he's a head coach now I'm like oh Bill doesn't got a new chuck and got brand new and shit but you got brand it ain't the same but now you had to realize and it took us a minute that he's not our coach anymore he's our coach and he has to sit there and you know treat everything and conduct itself in a certain way but what he does from a game plan perspective I've never been with another coach or another organization that is that prepared at all times. And he made you feel comfortable.

Even his adjustments, this is what we're going to do. Bam, you just got to be smart. In training camp, we will see shit that we ain't seen in eight weeks. We're going back to some training camp. You got to like, what? We ain't played that since training camp. But for this particular game, or are we going at halftime? He comes back.

This is what it is. So I think that separates Bill from everyone else. is his adjustments and how he looks at the game. You know what I mean? From offense defensively, he used to have to leave to help Charlie White's. He would leave our defense to me. We'd been there by our damn self. Ain't nobody getting coached because he was just telling the offense

what the other defense is doing. He had to leave the meeting so many times just to go up there and help the offense by looking at the defense. He was that much of a genius when it comes to a football mind. Pete Carroll? I like Pete. Pete gave me the bag. He puts for me to get the bag.

But he was a DB guy. But I think his personality didn't mesh well with a lot of other guys. Because we all interviewed. I interviewed because ain't anybody knows going to hire Belichick. I was like, man, I like Pete. So when they came down, Bobby Greer and all that gym, you know, scrap, I was like, man. We went to the playoffs. I felt somewhat responsible because I gave up the touchdown.

You know what I mean? I did. I gave up a touchdown. I was sick to who. I think it's one of the best ever when it comes to me, you know, matching up. That damn Jimmy Smith was an animal, bro. I just want to put that out there. So, but Pete Carroll, man, the happy-go-lucky guy that just didn't sit well with the rest of the guys.

Because no matter what, come on, guys, don't you feel it? Don't you feel it? That rah-rah. Yeah, you know, he was raw-wrat like that. You know what I like it? You're coming from Parcells to tell you about to get cut in the first fucking train, yeah, exactly. This guy's smacking him. his gums saying it's going to be a great day.

Yeah, exactly. It was a totally different energy, you know what I mean? And then you get back to Bill. He's in that similar similar, more similar to parcels. You know, and Bill, don't me wrong, he wanted, outside of business, me and Bill ain't never had a problem outside of contract and business. You know what

I mean? But you got to understand we're all independent contracts. You know that. At the end of the day, we're on the team. But when we're talking about this and we have discrepancies about this, he has to work for himself in the organization. You have to work for yourself as an individual, you know, as a eight, because, hey, it's short-lived, you know what I mean, but, and just that I'm about that.

He'll get personal. He's going to drink with you. He's going to have a beer with you. He's going to laugh, have a good time. And that's, you know, I mean, Bill's a computer where, like, if he's doing work, he's just thinking about work. And the one thing that he was always, that I always liked with Bill, he was honest with you. Right.

Which he would try to be a little overly honest just to prove his point on certain things. things. Look, I'm not going to pay you fucking $10 million. I don't mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. $12 million. You're fucking $33. Yeah, yeah. You know, you're not going to be able to walk in three years. Yeah, yeah. He will tell you that. He would tell you that. Yeah. But what you said about him preparing a team and saying it's going to be on me if it doesn't go this way. There are countless times where, you know, remember he'd have those team meetings because it was probably the same. and he'd give you the keys.

Look, fellas, we just need to do this, this, this. And if we do that, this is going to happen. Right. We'd sit there, be listening to this shit. And then you'd watch that on a Monday when you're watching film, everything that he said happened. Right. And exactly to how he said.

Exactly. He took that, he made it easier to do your job because he did all the hard work. A lot of guys don't want to study that film. So you basically got a coach as a walking cheat sheet. You know what I mean? You can go ask him anything out of the blue. He's going to already know what it is. I'm sitting there like, it's at a point where like, how do you know all that?

You watched us. You hear offensive guys asking him stuff. And I'm like, how do you got time to do all this shit and know all this? He's a, he's a 100% of cheat sheet, but he's an asshole cheat sheet. But I loved him. Next, Phil Sims on his experience playing for Coach Parcells. You know, Parcells, that was his thing. He could connect with the player.

Oh. He knew how to get the best out of his player. Like, he probably did this, that to Phil, and treated Phil the way he treated him because that's what fires up Phil. Phil likes to be pissed off. He plays well pissed off. I don't know about that. You know what I mean? And that's, and that's what, you know, Parcell's tried to do.

I saw a lot of that stuff, too, you know, from Belichick with certain people, you know? It's just they do whatever it takes to push the button to get the best out of you. Push them buttons. He was great. Yeah. So you trade some, you trade. But he would,

Bill, here's what Parcells would do. I watched him during the week. You know, he would walk around the locker room and get a guy and go, all right, now listen,

here's what I need for me this week. You know, you gotta come on in. And he would work the room like, you know, he had a restaurant. He would hit everybody

individually just for 30 seconds and maybe say something. You know, now you've got to play better. I don't want to take your ass out, you know, but he was very, if you want honesty,

he was honest. Well, he's looking at every piece of the machine to make sure it. I mean, it's a big blue wrecking crew. Every piece has got to be working. But he worked everybody. Yeah. It was an unbelievable thing. It's the best skill I think a coach can have.

Absolutely. It's to be able to do this to players to be tough on them and still, what's the word? Not alienate them. No. And all that. They just knew this is what it is. And he's doing, you want honesty? I'll play.

I just want you to be honest. Do you really? Do you really want them? Yeah. Bill was honest. I saw him do this. I hate to tell these stories. We're in training camp and we're doing an inside run thing.

And we have a guard. I'm not going to say his game. He goes, I'll call him Billy. Billy, I got the plane ticket in my drawer. Don't make me give it to you. Come on. I got to see it. Come on.

I got the damn plane ticket in the drawer. And I'd just go, wow, that was really, like, that was rough. Yeah. He just, and he would give the guy two or three days and almost always one morning we show, where's so-and-so? Oh, they let him go. But he would warn him if you don't pick it up. Oh, no, he never bluffed. Wow.

But I heard him do that quite a few times. Yeah. But he was warning the guy, you know, that if you don't practice better, then it's just not going to work here. The plane ticket in the drawer. Yeah, I got the, I mean, I can see it like a show. My ex-girlfriend did the same thing to me. Did you? No.

Now we got Gishon Johnson on Bill Parcell's unique leadership style. Parcells comes in day one. Is it just completely different? Oh my God. He fired the dude at the front gate that was a security guard named Harry. Harry had been like the security guard for like however many years, older guy. Bill got rid of him immediately.

And so one of our linebackers named Bobby Houston was, was a starting linebacker, and started for the Jets, I don't know, four or five years in a row. Solid linebacker, like really good. He told him if he wasn't at off-season conditioning, he was going to get rid of him.

Dude didn't come to off-season condition. Never played again in the National Football League. Cutting. Never played again in the National Football League. So he- Mafia. Those coaches are Mafias. He started, he started the OTAs. It used to be getting,

you had to get 40 days over like, I want to say maybe a two and a half month period of time. You had to get 40 days in. And it was like you go a week, maybe two weeks you're off. Then you come back a week, maybe off a week, you know, that sort of deal. And so when he came, obviously I was one of the targets, right? Oh, he was one of the targets. So he calls my agent, do, do this, that.

And so I'm like, let's pan, I'm fucking with all that. shit, man, you know. So now my agent go, well, he said if you don't come, da-da-da. I said, man, well, shit, man, I want to be at home. My family, I can do the same thing here. He goes, you tell him, this is how he talks. He goes, you tell him. If he's not here on this such and such date, it'd be the worst mistake he ever made.

So I go, I go, right? So now at this point, I'm probably a little overweight. You know, I'm probably a little overweight. and I'm probably 2-25-ish somewhere in there. He goes, I sit down in his room, I go in there, I'm in his room. He's got a dark room. He's got one little light on, like Mafia, like you just said. He's sitting there and we're talking.

He goes, how much did you weigh? I said, shit, I think I'm about 225-ish. He goes, what was that guy in the Rose Bowl? So I think I was probably 2-10, maybe. he goes, that's the guy I want. I said, okay, cool, no problem. So now I go home, I come back, go through the whole off-season condition,

I'm 208, right? So I'm looking crazy to him. I'm fucking, you know. So now all of a sudden, that's all I need it. I'm a made man now. For the rest of my life, he got me for the rest of my life. Because I did everything he asked me to. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah. Yeah. He asked me to do something for him. I did it like that. And now you could say, you could say one bad word about me in front of him. You're going to catch hell. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

And so that's how I changed like that. And he's a, he, after my second year, after my first year with him in 97, although I'm on a rookie contract, he tried to rip my contract up. But the management council with the NFL wouldn't allow. it. We did the deal. He was getting ready to make me at that time in 97. I hadn't even done shit. I had been fucking 65 catchers. He was going to make me one of the highest pay receivers in the NFL at the time. We did the deal and everything. They sent it to management council. The management council didn't want to set a precedent. So they didn't approve it. That's how our

trust and our loyalty became a bond like it is now. Wow. Yeah. So you gained Parcell's trust through cutting your weight. Yeah. And then from that day on, because you did with you. Even at this day, I just talked to him another day. He goes,

what's the number? I said, shit, man. I don't know. I'm probably 235 or something. I just slid it down a little bit. He goes, yeah, you look good, but I don't know if you're 235. It looks like you got walnuts of your cheeks.

I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm like, I'm good. Coach, I really, you know. He's, well, you're doing good, son. You just keep doing what you're doing, man. I'm proud of you. Because that's my guy. Yeah.

That's kind of, you know, when I say it all the time, you know, when you're around a guy for a long time that changes you, like I was around Belichick, it becomes like a fatherly figure to you. Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new episode and every Sunday for another games with names highlight. A new year doesn't ask us to become someone new. It invites us back home to ourselves.

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