Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Jason Kelce is In Studio!

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Jason Kelce is in studio! The Super Bowl champ and New Heights co-host joins Gronk & Jules in The Nuthouse San Francisco presented by Liquid I.V. We talk O-Line play, what it was like squaring off in the Super Bowl, and a whole lot more. We wrap it up by Dude Ranking Jason after putting him through our patented Dude Questionnaire. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's all, it's all corollive. I don't know if that's a word. Is that a word? I like it because we come up a word. We call out of time. You already agree. We're not a word guys. Do I understood what you meant to say?

There we go. Then what the fuck's the point? That's the whole point of communication. I love your, man. I mean, if you listen to me sometimes on TV, everyone's like, y'all Grant can't talk. He can't form sentences. But we totally understand what we're trying to say.

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Your mics don't look as good as these. They're nowhere near. Nowhere near. I think this is actually the exact same mic. That we use just the mic stand. I like this. It's like, it's very,

it's just a hydraulic mechanism? I, I like this. Oh, I'm like Elvis on it. Yeah, this is like a game. That means you can move around during the show and bring the mic with you. Perfect. Yeah.

Perfect. All right. Let's go, baby. Today we are joined by a future Hall of Famer, a Super Bowl champion, the pride of Northeast Ohio. Who else do we got, Gronk? Philly legend. And it was very rude that you're a Super Bowl champion because you beat our ass. We'll get to that later.

You guys had your fair share. He revolutionized the center position. And he's the star of. the new Heights podcast. Please welcome Jason Kelsey. Thanks for having me guys. This is awesome. Thanks for coming on, man. This is a huge honor. All mine.

When we hear the revolutionize the center position, I think of it in a multiple different kind of ways. Not just being an athletic center that pools, but alignment that retires that has the aura like you is insane. You know, part of it's, you know, I obviously had a lot of success playing, but I also timed up this whole like podcasting,

social media. Like before this, offense alignment were never in the media. And you couldn't do anything, right? Like the media wants to talk to the quarterback, the star players, receivers, the tight ends that are catching touchdowns, right? So I think it's very,

I'm very fortunate to play in the, like, era I did. You know what I mean? Like, are you guys, obviously you guys have Matt Light on here a bunch? that dude has a freaking great person. He would kill in today's. I think you guys would get along great, by the way. I can tell.

Yeah, for sure. I think all linemen, like honestly, Lyman are the most interesting people on the team, especially the offense alignment, but like you said, they're not in the media so they don't have the sexy view. But like we said, you've revolutionized this shit.

Because of the era we live in, you can fucking go on and show. And if a lineman was talked about, it was always like a, you know, big athletic. offensive tackle, either a left tackle or a right tackle. It was never a guard or a center. No. Definitely never a center. And now centers are talked about all the time. You brought so much awareness to that position. I mean, people can name off centers. I mean, like super fans.

Not not yeah, super fans can name off centers now. And back in the day, they were never talking centers. So man, congratulations on on the career. Also congratulations on everything post career as well. You are one of the hardest working like men, one of the hardest working. dude of all times you know post career in the show business what's a daily week look like for you right now the podcast one day a week every once in a while we'll try and knock out a few episodes like in the like batch him yeah batch him okay um and then i do ESPN Monday night football yeah um you're you're got a family you got kids i got kids i'm doing like other stuff on youtube it's weird like I'm less busy but I'm more inefficient busy you know what I mean like we can't say no yeah well

And part of me, like I like working. I like doing things. I like feeling like I'm accomplishing things. And the, it's just different where like when I played, I was always in South Philly at NovaCare and I was there longer, but everything happened to that specific spot. Whereas now I'm traveling to do this, traveling to do this. And everything's kind of decentralized. So it feels busier.

I'm sure. Does I feel the same for you guys? I don't know. I feel exact same. I say all the time, if I can work out of one city and if I'm doing everything, that I'm doing, I could triple the amount of work that I'm doing. It's just that I'm flying everywhere. That it seems like it's a lot more. And then also if you do one thing, it can be shown in many different places. So people think you're working overtime, but it's just repetitive of what

you did. Like a commercial, they see it all the time. Like, wow, he's shooting a commercial every single day. It's like, no, I shot that two years ago. Exactly. No, but it's, I say, you have to say yes, because when you play football, half of the things we've been asked, while we were playing, you say no because you have football to say no for. Yes. Now you don't have football to say no for anything. So you're like, they like, oh, we know you can do it. Yeah, all right.

All right, we'll do it. Yeah, you're right. Football was a built-in. Anytime training camp was coming up, it was the built-in, like, now can't do anything, man. I'm going to be for a month headquartered in like a very specific spot. We did Lehigh early on. And then it was South Philly.

But yeah, you're right. Football was a great excuse to say no. It was 1,000 percent. I missed that. And you had to say no. sometimes it was just too difficult to do something and then also play the game of football. Yeah. Yeah.

Big time. It sucked though when you did say yes and then it got in the way of football and you're like, fuck. Like what do I do? Like I'm going from practice to this appearance or this other meeting outside of football. And that's when you learn to say no, actually, is when you overbook your schedule while you're playing the game of football. No doubt.

You know, we have you in here and there's so much brotherly love. And I'm not just talking about Philly. You got a brother that plays in the league, Trav. Brank had a few brothers that played in the league. Who wins in a two-on-two death match? Between the gronkowski's and the Kelsey's? Two of the gronks, you get to pick the other gron. Or is it just you two?

Just us too. I wasn't sure. You guys have the numbers. You guys got the numbers. Yeah, we got the numbers. So it's two on two. But you guys get to pick one in which grunk would you pick? Which brother are you bringing?

So obviously I'm going to, I'm going to be the one of them. Yeah. And then the other brother I would pick is probably Chris G. He played in the NFL for about three and a half years. And he was a fullback. He played with me at the University of Arizona. Anybody that played fullback is a tough SOB. Exactly.

So I want nothing to do with fighting a fullback. I think the Gromks would probably get us. I'd be a braw. I think it would be a brawl. It would be one for the ages, for sure. Actually, we could probably raise a lot of money for charity. If we were ever going to braw, we would have to make it all go to charity. You can make a movie on this.

Yeah. You can make a movie. You can make a podcast. You make anything. No, what's the most Philly thing you've ever done in your life? Most Philly thing, I mean, the touristy things like cheese steaks and all that. This is a great question. Philly, most Philly thing I've ever done in my life.

Run those Rocky Stairs? No, I mean. With the cheese steak in your hand? Yeah. With a Super Bowl champion shirt on. Well, watching Rocky 4. Yeah, exactly. Rocky Ford.

God. While listening to Meek. Is Rocky 4 your favorite? You know, when it's, it is my favorite. It's hard. It's my favorite because when we were young, I thought that training montage was so awesome. Then as you get older and you start like realizing cinematography and all that, you look at the first one.

You're like, all right, that's a good one, that won the Oscar. But I like a four. I'm a four guy. Fucking Russia. We're taking rushing down. Four is like my guilty pleasure. Yeah. Like it's just like, oh, USA patriotism.

We're out in the snow grinding. That's where my beard came from. Seriously. You remember when Rocky's? He stopped cutting his hair. He put a picture of Drago and an Adrian up there and he just trained. So Ford Apollo. The movie where he faced Ivan Drago.

Ivan Drago. Face you. Yeah. Face me. Everyone called me Ivan Drago back in the day. Why do you find my hair, cut my hair and spike my hair. You have the facial features. Very chiseled.

Yeah, man. Yep. Is that your favorite? Are you four? I actually really never seen any of the Rockies ever in my life. I've seen clips and pieces. I've seen the Ivan Drago fight only, but I actually got it. You should watch it.

I need to watch them. I need to. I'm missing out. I like Rocky 3, Thunderlips and freaking Mr. T. Mr. T was awesome. Glover Lang. Gloverling. Yeah, I don't know why I've like started to fall.

Anyways, most Philly thing. I mean, it's probably the parade speech as much as like I don't want to like pump that moment. Like I do think you're just rubbing it in our face right now. No, I think it's that whole team and the way the whole vibe was that year. Like it was just perfectly embodied what Philly had been through that year. So I don't know that there's anything else that will ever be more Philly than that. Yeah. Well,

well, speaking of that speech, man, I just want to say that you're a wonderful talker, man. No, you really are. Why did you,

why did you know, like you're great on ESPN, you know, you're great on your podcast, you that speech that you gave. Like, that's hard to do in this day and era. People get,

you know, stage fright, you know, in front of people, you know, you give great speeches. You know, you great analysts.

Like, when did you know, hey, I can talk and I can break things down and I can do this. Like, was it while you were playing or was it more after your career? When would you say like you noticed you had that it? I don't know.

I don't know when I had that. I think I actually think I, the speech was so easy. Well, is it because you were hammered? That. Yeah. You had all the confidence. But also like when you live something, you're just talking about that. Like it, you just, it comes out of you.

You know what I mean? Like there's not like a, you're not put on a, like. It was authentic. Yeah, you know what I mean? It just feels like when you're, you're just rehearsing everything you've thought in the life you've lived. So it comes out very natural. That moment and then like when I retired of the two things that felt like I didn't really need to do much here.

I'm just exuding everything that's happened, almost just telling my story. The ESPN stuff is way harder. And it doesn't feel like it comes off as natural. I love it. It's cool. It is. But it's just not the same.

And like that stuff comes off. Because you got to be buttoned up. Yeah. Like on the podcast, we can just talk and you can cut. and this and that. On the others, you have something you prepared for

and you're trying to hit those beats. You know, you got to try to win, when you go in. When it's pre-planned, it's hard to come off the same way. It's fun. I'm trying to get better at it.

And the ESPN stuff is awesome. I'm with a lot of great guys. The podcast is easier because you just get to talk. Yeah. It doesn't feel like you're kind of doing like a rehearse thing. And the speech felt the same way

where it was like, I'm just kind of like going off the cuff here from like everything I've lived. And like, I'm telling Nick Fulza story. I'm telling Jeff Staling's story. I'm telling Doug Peterson. Like,

it's, he's kind of like went back and I couldn't sleep. You know, I mean, like you guys have all won. Like, the moment you win that first one, it's like you think about everything you did to get there

and everything it took to happen. And then you start thinking about all your other guys that it took to get there. And then for Philly, they've always been waiting for one. But just all kind of came together pretty easy. Explain the mummer. Yeah.

Offit. It's hard. So a mummer parade in Philadelphia. every New Year's Day, there's a mommers parade. And there's brigades, there's string bands, there's comics. There's different, like, types of mummer groups. What is a mummer? I thought you were a jing the whole time.

And they put the question, what the fuck's a mummer? I thought he's a genie. I don't know where. It dates back to, like, England back in the day. See, this is a lineman. He'll do you the actual dates. Never go ahead. And I think, like, people used to, like, dress in these, like, outlandish things.

Someone would dress like, like, in females' clothes. They go to, like, neighbor's houses. And then they get, like, free food and dress. drinks, and it was like a tradition there or something like that. Somehow Philly fell in love with this thing. And it's very Philly to fall in love with something that nobody else gives a crap about. Because then they get to claim it as their own, right? That's a Philly thing for sure.

And Philly, like with the Mummers, like there's like brigades in like two street. Like it's like the main street where all these guys are headquartered. And that's where you go after the parade. You hang out there. But it's, there's string bands. There's comics. There's all these things. you rehearse all year to do your bit and you try and win your category where you're like

playing music, doing some rehearse skit, whatever it is. But it's just a reason to get drunk and hang out with everybody pretty much. Did you compete in it? I've never done the actual parade. I think we got to get you over there. I know. I know. And that is the one thing.

I don't know why it hasn't happened during, as playing the reason it happens because we're always busy in New Year's day. But since I've been retired, I definitely have more time and I need to get there for sure. 1,000%. Yeah. You guys got to come. Dude,

come to the Mummer's prime, man. It's a good time. Julian's in. I'll look like a fucking lepercon. I'm like smaller than you guys. You guys look like giant and shit.

I was dressed as a genie. A little leopardcon out there running around and fucking tights and shit. Can I put a costume mind where I could just blend in and no one would know was Julian and I? Yeah, for sure. And we just run around and rage and it's built in for you to dress in a costume.

So it wouldn't even feel weird that you, they couldn't see your face. It's like me wearing a mask in the airport now. You do that? Yeah. Still? It just makes it so easy to carry over from COVID. Yeah.

The thing is I think it's always people wearing masks as well in the airport. The low-key like perks of COVID. Yeah. There's a lot of masks. It's the greatest thing. Jason. It's the best dude. You should start doing that.

If you're like, frog, I don't feel like doing with people in the bug. It's a good point. Just put a mask on in the hoodie, man. Everyone leaves you alone. Yeah, Rob, I'm telling you.

All the tricks. Robb walked through the airport with the mask on. Yeah. And he thinks no one recognizes that. Yeah. You're going from, you're in a Boston airport. where people are like, that's Kronkowski every time.

He's like, they don't even see me, bro. That's going to be terminally ill. I can't. I don't want to go hear him. I don't want to get sick. Look at him. He's limping as well. I like lean on my shoe face.

I limp across the airport. Like, yeah, no one knows who I am right now. But it's weird. Some people come up to me like, yo, you're grok. I can tell by your eyes. And I'm like, no, I'm not. There comes a hunchback of Notre Dame. You just reminded me of Robin Williams and Hook when he wanted to

to be the pirate when he first saw his kids. I don't know where I just got that. Dude, that's a great movie, though. Hook is awesome. One of my favorites. Robin Williams. I've never seen that one either. You've never seen Hook?

No. What is your favorite? What movie have you seen? What is your favorite? Happy Gilmore? Yeah. I was my favorite movie growing up. Happy Gilmore too.

Yeah. Yeah. Travis had a great role in it. Yeah, he did. He did great in that. He's what, the server? Yeah.

And then Bad Bunny just came and just tore him apart. What else? Oh, Mighty Ducks. Mighty Ducks. Dude, you're naming some bangers right now. These are like, I just saw Rip on Netflix.

A great movie. Rip is a really good movie. Yeah. Very, very solid. The twist of the end. Yes, the twist was really good,

man. There's a twist. There is, man. I don't know if it's like a, it's like a reveal. All right. You're kind of,

the whole movie you're up in limbo of like, all right. This is like Damon freaking the, the bad guy. Is this who, who's given the secrets away? And then you, it gets revealed at the end.

Okay. In typical Matt Damon in fashion, he's outsmarted at everybody. Matt Damon. That fucking Matt Damon. He's a Boston guy. Yes, yes. Dens of thieves.

One and two. Yeah. I love action movies. I've seen every action movie of all time. What's your, well, you haven't seen Rocky. It's not an action.

It's not an action. Yeah. What's your favorite? Four is an action movie, though. Rocky four is an action movie. Favorite action movie. I just saw Black Hawk down. Black Hawk down.

Very solid. Was Jake Hartnett back in the, what was his name? Yeah. Josh. Josh. Josh. Jake. Tell us your best

big Dom story. I got to meet him on the sideline. He's so, he's just he's cool. He's like the most interesting security guard of all time. For sure. The most interesting man with Dosaki, he's the most interesting man on the sidelines. Yes. Let's hear your best story. Best story. Best story of Dom.

And also, what does he actually do as well? Like we know he's security, but it seems like he's a lot more than security as well. That's just the title. He's like the team mascot. Yeah. Dom is the guy that like if you ever need anything anything you call him and either he will get it done or he has a guy that will get it done he's a guy's a guy's guy's guy's guy and like you can call i don't know

how his like kenyta his wife puts up with it you can call him at three in the morning any day he will pick up i don't know if he sleeps and like but he is always on call ready to help you out in any like capacity what's the wildest thing you asked him to help you with or like most random i've been probably one of more low-key clients. Okay, good. He probably loved you. He probably has clients to ask him for things. For things every single day.

Yeah, yeah, you know doubt. Instead of Uber Eats and yo, Dom, can you be my Uber Eats? Motherfucker. This guy that asks me for Uber Eats now to be his Uber Eats driver. I'm trying to think of the best Tom story. He hooked you up. What do you hook you up with again? When we remember an FEC championship game?

Yeah. He brought you to where. He brought me to the Angelo's. He also got you a favorite cheesecake. And I got a haircut on the top of Angelo's from Big Dom's guy. Needed a haircut. He ate a Philly cheesecake, a pizza, the top of fucking Angelo's. Angelos is the best.

It was phenomenal. Phenomenal. Yeah. And their cheese steaks or do you have a cheesecake? Cheese steak. Yeah. They have their chicken cutlet sandwiches, low key. Nobody really knows about it.

We would get them on a wait trips. Sometimes they don't even have them in store. They might have discontinued them. That's one thing Philly does really well. Sandwiches? sandwiches chicken cutlets oh my god like the long hots then they had this other one that had this like pepper jelly on top it was unreal so good anyways big dom big dom story big dom story fuck some it's it's hard to share some of them yeah we're not looking for the radio answer we're just looking for a pg version

right right right we'll take that we'll take that can't even share them that's great we would be We would be crazy to not bring up you beating our ass in the Super Bowl. What was that like? Yeah, what was that like? Well, it was a dream like, fuck. Sorry, yeah, whatever. So, beating you guys, everybody else, my mom tweeted, like, she put on her Facebook profile picture, not a picture of me celebrating and, like, winning. It was a picture of Tom on the floor upset that he lost.

I'm like, you're, like, are you happier that Tom Brady lost? Are you happier than your own son won a game? What's happening here? What do you have against Tom? You saw the old lady in the pizza commercial shit. He's got a hittable face, I guess. Yeah, I mean, you know, it was, we felt confident offensively. I think it was a game that, like, you guys have played so much, right?

The Patriots have won so many Super Bowls, the pinnacle dynasty of an era. We were like, dude, we're going to have to score a ton. We knew it going into the game. And you guys did. Well, Nick Fould was like, played the best game of his life. He really did, man. In the biggest moment possible. And like Tom played unbelievable.

You guys offender 4 over 500 yards. Set a record. Set an NFL record for the best Super Bowl performance, essentially. It looked like a seven-on-seven match. I was watching. I was watching it because I tore my ACL. It was crazy. Yeah.

We had to go for it on fourth down multiple times. It was that year for us just felt like it was like a year possessed with like the city. And like the, is there something magical about that? where, you know, we just kind of caught it at the right time. A lot of people ask, like, would you win that game of Carson playing? Like, dude, I don't know. Like, Carson was an MVP before, like, that entire year. But there was something that just, like, it's hard to even, like, explain how everything

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this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Man, you guys were going absolutely ham. I mean, the city of Philly was going ham. I mean, tearing down poles, all that good stuff. But you guys were taking shots at the Patriot way. Not necessarily you, but a lot of,

of your team. What was up with that man? What was up with that? And where was that information coming from? Where was it coming? Was it Chris Long? Was it Chris Long? We still want to know.

Because, yeah, Bunn was it? Blunt could have been a source, but Chris Long came out and said, hey, I have nothing to do with this information. Which one is it? You know, that, you know, my teammates are saying about the Patriot way. Chris and Lagart brought the Patriot way. If we're being honest, like both of those guys came in. And between those two, Malcolm, like, those are.

are the guys before the game that were telling us like, hey, it's, you know, you get, you don't let your emotions get too high. All of a sudden, you start getting too into it and then you get somewhere that you shouldn't be and you make uncharacteristic mistakes, right? They kind of like brought that to us for the game. So I think the Patriot way, I don't know. I, I don't know. There was definitely chatter. I don't know who brought it. I think there was Philly. We were probably feeling ourselves a little bit too much. A lot of alcohol involved. For sure.

I mean, you're just trying to make the people happy. Yeah, we get it. You guys were, when you win, you're so eluded, like, I had fun watching you guys. And I think, I don't know what the Patriot way, like, trying to remember, like, Lane Johnson said something. Yeah, he was taking shots. Because I remember you guys, like, two years later,

we're still using his bulletin board material. Hey, we say that winning is fun. And I'm like, dude, we should not have been saying none of this. this is going to backfire. And then you got freaking High Tower and Jamie Collins. In that time and moment, it's understandable.

The right tower. Freaking game. That, honestly, if High Tower is healthy. Terrifying. His calves are the size of my house. Yeah. He can drop into coverage

and play unbelievable there. And then he can run over a freaking running back. So it's like, what do you do you count him as a lineback or is he, D. Lyman when he walks up? How are we playing this? And then the game's like, matchups.

Bill would build that five-man front and just run the three man games. And I'm like, dude, I don't know what you want me to do. Throw the ball, please. Get the ball out. I don't, it's impossible. So, yeah. Those are fun battles. Now, you know what our show is, dudes on dudes.

We basically categorize what kind of dude the guy would be in a locker room. Okay. We have five different categories. We have a dudes, dude, which is like the glue guy, great in the locker room. Everyone loves him. He's got a leadership type quality, but he's a glue guy. Yes. You got a whiz.

He's like innovative. This guy, like, has a game that changed the world. You have a stud who's like the standard, and he's been the standard his whole life. He's been the guy, the first round pick, this guy, that, you know. You also have your freak who you look at him and that's just not a human. That's a freak. Then you have a dog. A dog is someone who's mentally just tough as nails, tough as nails, mentally physically tough.

So we want to run through some guys. Let's go. And you just tell us what you think he is, what they are, what they are. Jalen hurts. Jalen is a combination. I think he's probably somewhere in between dudes, dudes, stud, and freak. I think he can't be a dudes dude's dude because like dudes dudes dudes, it's hard when you're the star guy, the lead.

Like you've got to hold people accountable. Yeah, like it's a different, like, but he has that personality, stud, great player. And then he's like, I mean, he squats like 600 pounds. Yeah. He is a freak. So he's somewhere in that category. He's kind of a stud and freak.

Stut and freak. Studdy freak. Studdley freak. I like that. There we go. All right. Next. Andy Reed.

Andy Reed. He is, again, whiz, I would say whiz and dude's dude. And he's got a little dog in him. He does. He does. I heard he practices him hard.

He practices him hard. He is, I've heard stories, especially in his younger days, like putting guys up against a wall. He's lying in time. Yeah, man, he's, I think as he's in the 60s now, right? Yeah.

So he's, it's not the same level of physical, like, what's the word I'm looking for? Like intimidation. But I think when he was younger, that mustache, man, he would just give you these daggers and you'd be like, dude, I don't want to cross this. You just have a stare at. Yeah, exactly. And it's very whiz. It's very whiz to evolve.

For sure. You know what I mean? This guy understands the room. Yeah. All right. Another one. Rocky. Rocky?

Dog. Dog. I think it's a very simple. Yeah. All right. All right. Lane Johnson. He's got a freak.

Freak for sure. For sure. For a sure. For you. Athletic ability. Tighten. What is? Freak also dudes dude.

Like I don't know. Lane had the, I'm going to say it's a rare. I mean, he was that dude's do's ability to like nobody, everybody in the locker room feels like Lane, they can connect with him. Like he's going to. talk to you. He can mix in with any position group, anything like that. Yeah. He's a mayor.

He's been there forever now. For sure. Jesus Christ. What year is he on? Like year 18? So he came in two after me. He's now done two. So he just finished year 13. 13. Okay. It seems like he's been playing for like 20 years. Yeah. All the Super Bowls, all that good stuff. And he's another guy that's very popular for alignment. He's transformed the position big time. Yeah. I mean, I think you guys have done that. Yeah. It was your team. We have. We had a lot of good lines. As a group. Yeah.

It was like our line and then Dallas's line when it was like, when it was, oh my gosh. Travis Frederick. God damn. Dallas's line. Yeah, just Dallas's line.

Yeah, Dallas's line was incredible. Well, we'll just stick to the Philadelphia. Please. Yeah. All right. Last one before we.

One blank. It happens to us all the time. Don't worry. And then Cleveland, Cleveland Browns. Joe Thomas and like Alex Mac. Alex Mac. Yeah.

They did transcend that position for a little bit. Mitchell Schwartz. Just as a whole. But as the swag factor, though, like those, we knew those guys could play. But you guys, you guys had fun. You guys were known commodities. You guys were known. You guys made it cool.

Last one before we go and ask you our series of questions to determine what kind of dude you are. Oh, interesting. Your brother, Trave. Trave? Your little brother. Certainly a freak. He's a freak. Are we talking on the field?

Off the field. Stud. All of it. All of it. In every way you want to think about it. I mean, I just saw that golf shot he had yesterday. What a fucking shot. It doesn't surprise me.

Like two feet from the pit. The one hole where there's thousands of people watching in a grandstand, Trav lives up to the moment. Does not surprise me one bit. What a shot? Who's more athletic between you? Trave. Really?

What other sports did you play growing up? I played. We both played everything. We were multi-sport athletes. I played hockey and lacrosse in high school. Okay. Growing up, we played. All of it. So, you know, I think Trav by far the more better athlete.

I'm all about playing every single sport growing up as well. I hate like where you go to the schools. And they specialize in one sport. And it's like, yo, you're 14 years old. Yeah. How do you know you want to play that sport in the future? Like play every single sport. Unless if the kid, the 14 or 15 year old kids like, yo, I only want to play one sport. I hate when the coaches say, if you play other sports, you're not going to be able to play on this team. Because we're only focusing on one sport and we're focusing on your position. And that's how. it's going to be like that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. 100% agree. And you learn more

by playing all these sports. And you start taking what you learned in this sport and applying it to this one. Thank you, man. You become a much better overall athlete. Different parts of your brain, I believe. I agree. You know what I mean? Like when you're in basketball, you're using those cuts for when you're in football, the footwork and wrestling for, you know what I mean? It's all, it's all

core. I don't know if that's a word. It is. No, that was perfect. Is that a word? We love you because we come up a word. We call out of time. And you're already agreeing with us. That's a word. And I even know that's not a word, but I agree it's also a word. Yeah. Well, listen, do I understand what you meant to say? There we go.

Then what the fuck's the point? That's why we go. I love podcasts. I mean, if you listen to me sometimes on TV, you're like, yo, Grant can't talk. He can't form sentences. But we totally understand what we're trying to say. I'm like, thank you. That's all it matter.

That's it. You just justified my speaking by saying that. Thank you, bro. Thank you. All right. All right. Let's get our notebooks out, Robbie. Oh, let's do it.

Let's ask our series of patting questions. We got to figure out what type of dude you are. Please. I mean, we kind of already know by just talking to you, but we really want to dig deep, like deep as possible. Please. All right. Question one, quick hitters. Quick hitters.

All right. Did you take home from, did you take food home from the facility when you were playing? I probably did it a couple times, but it was not a common occurrence. It wasn't like Gronk who, if you went to his house, you saw the whole. No. at his fridge? No. Okay.

Yeah, one time I stole a blender. Stole a blender. I wanted to make a shit shakes at home. So I was like, I'm taking a blender. And I just took the blender. I mean, they had 15 blenders.

Well, if you announce it, you're not stealing it. Yeah. He gave it back. Right? They gave it to you. I still use it to.

They said it's old. It's all. Camille's always like, you got to buy a new blender. That's a good blender. What brand are we doing with? That's a long-lasting blender. It is,

man. It's commercial blender. There we go. It's, it's commercial. racial grade, obviously. I don't know the name of it. But we're not going to give them that much credit. Yeah. We don't need any free

advertising. No. No. We would never do that. Make sure I always get paid. All right. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Taylor Swift for sure. He's the easiest answer in my life. All right. What's your college GPA? You were smart.

So I, you probably gave no shits, but you're probably You still smart. I was under three. Under three. Under three? I think it was two something. Are you under three under your bell as well? C.

A. Soft, yeah. Hey, actually, me too. But not soft. We're talking about it. That's what we thrive. We're children watching this. We're growing.

That's not a stud. Not a stud. Um, next question. Also. About 2.8. We would say a DPA. 2.8, we'll say. We'll go with that.

We'll go with that. Yes, yes. First car you had. First car I had was a, well, I got my dad, like, passed down like a Dodge minivan caravan. Yeah. So we had a green, we had a green Dodge caravan minivan. Green. And then I heard a rattling in the engine one time when I had, we were going to a house party, had beers in the back.

And I hear this like, the, the, the, the, the, the, and I'm like, okay, maybe if I go faster, it'll spit whatever is out in the engine, right? You got it. So I just start flooring it. The way you think. And then it stopped. I was dude, it worked. What was it? And then I go to like turn at a roundabout.

The power steering was out. Oh my. Trying to get this. Driving a go car. We had blown like a belt had snapped off. We like hid the beers in a bush and then a cop helped push me into a gas station. Oh my God. So yeah. That was my first. So you're saying you like Bush. I think it actually

was Bush if I'm being out of free advertisement. Yeah, I'm not a free advertised. I was talking Bush beers. So, yeah, for sure. And do you know Spanish? The way you just rolled your tongue, I feel like you know Spanish. I can't. I can't even roll.

I can't even roll. No. All right. You ever get fined and if so, how much? I got fined by the, by the team. I don't know. Not even by the NFL. But I got fine by the NFL too.

Most of those got rescinded. I'm trying to think, like, I've gotten fine for being late, missing meetings. I know, not good. Meetings. I want to emphasize, not common. Not common. Problems. It just happened.

It just happened. It just happened. Like, a long time. One spot. You're late for one thing. And like, they got to keep you honest. Yeah. Got to keep.

Yeah. Most watch movie. You ever. Big Lobowski. Big Lobowski. The dude. I've seen that movie way too. many times.

Walter. The best. He's the best character. He's the best character. Never seen that movie either. It's. You got to check it out. That's a good one.

The first time you watch, we're gonna do a movie club with Rob. And we're gonna, we're gonna, I'm in on this. We gotta get a movie. I love movies too. I never really seen all the movies back in the day.

Like, you were too busy scoring touchdowns and shit. I'm playing all the sports. It's all right. Outside. All right. It's good. What's the most you've ever benched?

Three. 385. 385, no four? I never got the foot. I thought you would definitely be in four. I know. I mean, you're stronger below the belt.

I was a stronger squatter for sure. Squatter. He's a squatter. He's a squatter. Squatter. I mean, it's better to be stronger with the squats as an offense alignment than 1,000 percent. Because all the power comes from the hips and the glutes.

It's big old tree trunks. Yeah. And the calves. Last one for me, Rob. And then one more for you. All right. How many wings could you eat in a single sitting and how do you eat? beat them.

So I actually competed. You ever heard of Wing Bowl? No, I haven't. The Wing Bowl used to be, so Philadelphia for years because they never were in the Super Bowl, the local radio station called, just started doing this thing called Wing Bowl, which was iconic in Philadelphia. You guys would have loved it. Yeah.

Anyways, so there was like a whole, like, pageantry or whatever. You would go out there and there was two rounds. There was one round of 14 minutes, another round of 14 minutes, and then a final round of two minutes. And they would eliminate people in each round. So I went to Wing Bowl. I ate 65 wings in 14 minutes. I thought I killed it.

Like I'm like, I just dominated. How many minutes? 14 minutes. 8 65 wings. 65 wings. With blue cheese or ranch? Well,

you're just house. You're not, you're not. But if you do have a choice, blue cheese or ranch. Blue cheese. Okay, blue cheese.

Thank you. Come on. Thank you. 65 wings. And who would the winner get? Molly Skyler won with 365 wings. 365? Is Molly a woman?

is a beast. She is a woman. I, well, 365. Isn't how long? He's a professional leader. How is that possible? I mean, she ate. I don't know. I don't know. A good technique. That's right. Get a good technique. That's right. For him. All about form. That stomach just descends and then

freaking gets, I don't know. I practice. I couldn't do it. So you didn't practice. You probably practice. I practiced the day before, because the flats have a very specific. Yeah, you got a you got a cat, you got a garfield them. Which I don't like eating them that way. Normally I'm like this side, then that's it. I take my time with it. But for the speed eating, you got to freaking,

it's gone. It's like Garfield. Remember you take the fish and you just take the bones out? That's right. And then the drumstick, you're one bite here, one bite there. But anyways, I think that's close to probably the most I've eaten in this hitting. 65. That's a, that's a boatload. All right. We got one last one. One more. Last one. This is your, last one. How do you eat your steak? Mediumer. But it depends on where I'm at. And also, do you use tensils or just your hand? I use utensils. I have used.

If there are no utensils, I will use my hand. Okay. Bone in. I'm not too good to not use utensils. Okay. He will use utensil. He'll read the room. He'll read the room.

Medium rare. If I'm at like a, like a waffle house and I'm doing like a steak and eggs or an eye or a house, you're ordering steak at waffle house. I know. That's where you can always order steak at a waffle house if you're getting it with eggs. Yes. I'm a big steak and eggs guy. If I'm at a where I kind of question the quality of the steak, I will do

medium occasionally. Yeah. Yeah. Cook that bad boy. Yeah. Just make sure the bacteria is full. Give us a quick minute to just go over that we got real quick. All right.

Asshole? I got, oh, no. He's not an asshole, Joel. No, I didn't say it. What do you think? What do you think? Yeah. Or 65 wings.

That's a lot. He only had a 2.8. I mean, the dog would be. All right. All right. On three. One, two, three. Dog.

Oh, hold on. One, wait. I'm a Twitter. I'm a tweeter. I'm a Twitter. There we go. More like the officials this year. They were all over the place.

Yeah, they didn't really agree on every call. Yeah. Yeah. Can't read your hand. Oh, sorry, sorry. That's the problem. You wrote dude and it looked like dog. I know, I know.

All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. You're dude's dude. Yeah. I will take that all.

You're a glue guy, man. You bring people together. You got great personality. You're fun. Everyone wants to be around you. You know, you were the heart and soul of the offensive line for, you know, Philadelphia Eagles for so long.

You could hit multiple, all of them. I mean. And everyone can. But like, we're trying to find what most suits you out of all five. All good. Listen,

I'm very happy to be a dudes, dude. Come on now. Jason. Thanks for coming on, bro. Thank you, man. Thanks for having me. That's it.

That's all it. That's it. It was a pleasure. One hit quit. Oh, actually, no, before we go,

this is the question I wanted to ask because you got garage beer now. I do. You love drinking beers then because you're not going to associate yourself and start a company that you don't like and that you don't drink. So garage beer,

obviously, you're drinking. And I want to know back in your college heydays, how many beers you would put down on any given night and how many beers you put down on any given night now being, garage beers. It is now being, you know, 35 plus years old.

I, I think I drank 30 yesterday. Really? I called it. I told you. I told you, this guy is still in his college hay days with drinking beers.

And it won't affect them. You look great. I said he's still pounding 30 beers. You said you at three before you came on before this episode. I ran as some Australians over at Fisherman's War. I mean, you have an excuse. You have an excuse me to do it.

Why didn't you bring any garage beers for us? I would have one right now. I literally think we drank off. Oh, well, that's why. Ridiculous. So how many now? You did 30 yesterday? So how many did you do in college?

50? I mean, so we would. One given day? We would always just get a couple cases. I wasn't keeping track. Yeah. We would play this game.

Wayne Brewski. Do you remember Wayne Groskey, three-d hockey 98 and Nintendo 64? I do. I wasn't ahead, but we had friends that did. So two on two, we made this drinking. game around that and you would end up drinking about two beers a game the way the rules like sort of themselves we would go through two cases how how wait how many how many how long is the game

I mean not even not yeah so that's a lot of beers it's like I think it was three minutes a quarter so about nine to ten minutes running so how long do you piss for it wasn't running but when you drink 30 beers in a day like what is one of your pisses like four minutes long like you're like you're reading he did come out of you're doing it's usually a while pissing it's you're just have the camera up high and you're pissing the whole time. Usually sober for new heights, but I will sometimes. Yeah. Normally once you break that seal is when it starts, you know, being in.

He said usually sober for new heights. Usually. So sometimes he's not. That's correct. Why don't we ever get messed up for our show? You should try. You should try. You're right.

Yeah, we're not. We're still beginners. How many kids? How many beers have you put down? Probably about like 8, like 15 to 20 back in the day. Now my, I drink like four or five. I'm good and I'm super full and bloating. I feel like I can't move anymore.

You're just a tank. We're going to have to change this. We're going to have some garage beers. All right. You got to go back for the college. You still got it in you. I do. Oh, no,

I do. I just need someone. I need someone to bring it out. I haven't met anyone that brought it out. Jason. In a while. So he lived in college at UVA with his brothers. Yeah.

And they used to have, they spent their whole scholarship check, had zero money on a hot tub. The first day they got it. Made sense. And then there's a tree in the background. And the legend is, is there was 700 bras in the tree

because every time people were... 700 bras. They would just throw their bras in the tree. It was the grunk tree bra. Well, there was bras, but well, 700 sounds good. Thanks for going on. Yeah, thank you, man. A pleasure, dude.

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Yeah. Snow game's fine when you get tackle you slide like 20 feet. And you get an advantage on offense when there's snow on the ground because you know where we're going. They got to react to you. Yeah. No, you're right. What's cooler? A one-handed catch or toe tap, easy? Oh, a one-handed catch. A one-handed catch. That's a toe tap. Oh, there we go. That's what I like. Now we're talking. I agree. I think Brandon Lloyd's. had a sweet one like that once.

Brandon Lloyd had. Didn't he have, he had unreal catches. Yeah, he did, dude. Back in the Niners when he had that, O'Dolish.

He was so good. He was really good. He was so like, he was freaky, like he could bend in any direction. It was very fluid. Yeah, that's what I was looking for.

One physical signal you've learned not to ignore anymore. The alert signal when I was playing the game of football. When I ignored it, I always, you know, I went to,

wrong way. Wrong way. So I stopped ignoring the alert signal and I listened to the alert signal. One physical signal you've learned not to ignore anymore. Oh, dehydration. Oh, that's good. I'm not going to. If I'm feeling like irritable or something, I'm not going to ignore that.

Or nauseous. Yeah. Or your peas yellow or dark brown. Dark brown. Hey, when we were younger, it was so easy to ignore that signal. Yeah, we were young. Yeah, but we're not young anymore. You cannot ignore it.

Can't ignore it. What's the coolest non-TD stat? Yards or catches? Yeah, no. Yeah, yards. Yards or catches? No, yards. Or catches?

Yards. Yards. Sacks? Interceptions. Tackles. Interceptions or sacks would be in that category. Yardage. Yardage.

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