Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Jeff Ross on The Roast of Tom Brady
Episode Date: May 5, 2026Jeff Ross is in studio! The Roast Master General is with us to break down one of the greatest roasts of all time: The Roast of Tom Brady. We also preview the upcoming Kevin Hart Roast, Jeff's favorite... roast moments, who Jeff wants to roast next, and a whole lot more. (00:00) We kick it off. (01:50) Jeff joins us on the couch. (31:10) We go back to May of 2024. (37:48) We look at Tom Brady and the roasters. (47:27) We get into the roast. (1:09:17) We score it. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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May 5th, 2024, the Kia Forum, Los Angeles, California.
After five long years, we all gathered under one roof.
To roast a goat live on Netflix.
This is the roast of a bar.
Tom Brady.
Welcome to Games with Names.
I'm Julian.
They're Jack and Kyler,
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to finding the greatest game of all time.
And on today's episode,
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Welcome to games with names.
Today we are looking at the roast of Tom Brady.
The roast of Tom Brady.
It is a game, folks, with the Grand Marshal Roast Master of All Time.
Jeff Ross.
Jeff, in one sentence, why did you pick this roast?
Well, I've done a lot of roast.
And it's always hard.
hard for me to say what my favorite is.
Like children.
And it's,
I don't have that problem.
And I always, like Tom Brady, when people go, what's your favorite roast?
I always go the next one.
When they ask them about rings, Super Bowl rings, he always says the next one's my favorite.
I'm like that with roast.
So the next one's my favorite, Kevin Hart, I guess.
Oh.
But having to pick one for this show for games with names.
I picked the Tom Rose because a lot of reasons and we'll go through them over the show.
But the main reason is it brought comedy back.
It ended the woke period in America.
I think it recalibrated people's senses of humor.
Jokes that weren't okay are okay again.
It's okay to laugh.
Everyone got the stick out of their ass.
Everybody's laughing.
And Tom Brady should have gotten the freaking Nobel Peace Prize for
for taking those hits for three hours
so we could all forget our own problems.
1,000% I think we should send them over to Iran.
Maybe you get a little peace talk going.
Yeah, I like that idea.
Roasting heels.
Roasting, it really does.
Look what it did for you guys.
You, gronk, the coach, the owner,
everybody was in the same room.
All the ice melted.
Everybody hugged.
Everybody did a shot.
Everybody partied together.
now you guys are doing freaking Dunkin' Donuts commercials together and whatever else.
I think it's off on the roast.
1,000%.
I mean, it was like a therapy session through comedy.
Yeah.
You know, it allowed us all to kind of air our grievances of what we all thought about
everyone, not really thought, but like air the grievances of the awkward shit that
was in the room.
Brutal honesty.
I mean, that's the, communication is the, is for great for relations.
Right. So why wouldn't it be great for these relationships?
And that's the locker room, Jeff.
Yeah.
Oh.
And that's what the locker room is.
So it was really fun for the athletes to get involved because there's no hiding in the locker room.
There is zero hiding in the locker room.
I'm so glad you said this, because by coincidence, I was on the phone with Tom Brady this morning.
I told him I was coming here.
And we were reminiscing about his roast.
and he's like, the thing that I missed the most was the locker room talk, the smack talk,
all the shit we would say out loud that you couldn't say in real life.
You can say in the locker room and you can say it on that roast.
So I think it hits a nerve with you athletes.
Yeah.
Like it's like it's like an unleashes something.
Well, and it unleashes what we're used to.
It's that safe space that we all crave.
just because
once you're in there
doesn't matter if you're Tom Brady
or you're number 53 on the team
if your fucking fly is down
or you got some toilet paper hanging out
your back fucking you're getting let known
you're getting fucking made fun of
and everyone is laughing and making fun of you for it
and no one gets hurt over it
it's
especially for me I can't let the jokes
hurt like I'd be a hip
I mean, they hurt, but you can't get offended.
No, no, like when, yeah, we'll talk about that.
But talking about locker room, were you ever in a locker room?
Did you play any sports?
I played football in high school.
I was a center for the Jonathan Dayton Regional High School Bulldogs.
I was a punt center and a center.
Center.
I still have a pretty good snap.
Do you?
Fun snap.
Punt snap?
Yeah.
Long snapper.
Long snapper.
Long snapper.
Now, when did you know?
Long snapper was also my porn.
name in college.
He's always on.
He's always on.
Now, when you,
how did you go from being a Super Bowl champion
and dressing like a tennis coach?
You know, you want to know why I'm dressed like this?
Because immediately after this,
I'm going to look at schools for my daughter.
Oh, okay.
So I hadn't to like clean it up and it's going to be a tight window.
So I got to go immediately after this,
which, you know,
you got any good questions for me to ask these people?
Yeah.
how's the football program
for a little girl
but we'll take it
that would be funny
if all your questions
were about football
so what kind of grass do we had
do we have
Bermuda or Kentucky Blue
do you run a 4-3 or a 3-4
yeah
no so yeah
I'm going to to
interview some schools
and so I had to dress appropriately
okay
but now what's your sports fandom
what does that mean
so who do you follow
Well, I grew up in New Jersey.
So New York teams were always big in my life.
I also was a big wrestling fan as a kid, the old school wrestlers.
And now that I live in L.A. and Otani's here.
I can't help but root for the Dodgers when I go.
But the more that I become a citizen of the world,
I'll go to a soccer game in Manchester, England,
and I got a route for them because the owners,
in my box or I was in Dubai watching basketball with the guy who runs sports in Dubai.
So I got a root for them.
Jeff Ross doesn't have rich friends.
Don't worry.
I mean, is that a flex right there?
Oh, no.
I was in Manchester with the owner.
I was in Saudi with another guy.
I love that the owner was in your box, not the other way around.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
I didn't realize I was name dropping like that.
I guess I'm just saying like I root for I always root for the home team.
I always root for a good game.
I mean, it seems like since this roast, a lot of the comedy space has been ending up at these events.
Yeah.
Like you see, I think we got Netflix festival coming next week here in L.A.
Yeah.
The Masters had a bunch of comics at the Masters for the first time ever, which is crazy.
You're seeing Super Bowl events where like the comedy space is blowing up.
What do you think about it?
I mean, I think the more stressed the world is, the more comedy rises above and sort of takes care of everybody.
It's like the medicine that everybody can afford.
It's really good for your mental health.
Really good if you're stressed out to laugh.
You don't even realize it's happening.
No.
And it just releases that endorphin of like.
Yeah.
And I think the greatest roast of all time, Tom Brady, I think that was that was the injection of all that.
That was the kick off of all that.
Yeah.
Now, what are you doing right now?
You have the one-man show.
Yeah.
And can you explain that?
You take a banana on the road?
The grandpa, right?
It's called Take a banana for the ride.
It just dropped on Netflix.
By the way, you don't have to use a banana, Julian.
You can use an eggplant, carrot, anything you want.
Okay.
And it's a very personal show.
It's got some...
I actually opened with a clip from the Tom Brady roast.
A clit or a clip?
A clip.
I heard Clint.
You have to clean it up.
You can't be 30.
Save it for the roast.
And it's about some of the people who made me who I am.
When I lost three buddies, Gilbert Godfried, Bob Sagin and Norm McDonald, all within
eight months in the end of the pandemic.
And that made me look back at my life and go, how was I dealing with loss?
And when I was a young man, my grandfather, my parents died.
My parents died when I was young.
And I learned a lot about how to bounce back.
You know, I learned early on as human beings were made to mourn and move on.
You can't mourn forever or a part of you dies, and that's not fair.
And I give that to people.
I explain that to people.
And it helps them get through whatever they're going through.
And it's full of fucking great jokes.
And it's basically a 90-minute comedy special that I shot at the Niederlander
theater on Broadway. I did eight shows a week.
At the end, my dog, my German Shepherd comes out,
jumps on the couch and howls with me. The whole audience
howls with us. It's a very cathartic experience.
And Netflix has been super supportive.
It's kind of cool to have my life story as a Netflix special.
Now, how is that crowd when you're doing a Broadway crowd
compared to when you're doing a crowd at the store or the last?
Is it a different crowd?
Yeah.
It's a great question, Julian, because I didn't know what to expect.
So I'm Broadway.
The comedy store, boom, the second you walk out, they're ready for it.
Ready.
But Broadway, they would, they're so much more judgmental.
And the expectations are so high that I'll be walking up on stage.
They stop clapping before I even get up there.
They're like, prove, prove your worth this applause.
but then when you get them by the end,
before you even say good night,
they leap to their feet,
give you a standing ovation.
I got standing oz every night.
So once you win them over,
they're the best crowd on Broadway.
And the tickets are expensive.
It's not like a comedy club ticket.
It's like a Broadway show.
So it's longer.
It's more of a meal.
It's a very emotional show.
I talk about,
this is my grandfather's ring.
You'll love this.
This is a steel bolt from a Nazi submarine
from World War II.
my pop jack was a shipbuilder stationed in baltimore the u.s navy captured one nazi uboat the whole war
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his whole life, he would tap it on stuff for good luck.
And he gave it to me, said, when I'm done with it, you wear it.
I was with him right at the end of his life.
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greatest generation energy, I tap it on something and I think about my pop jack.
Sometimes I think about this chicken Denver.
I finger bang one time, but mostly I think about my pop jack.
They would have liked each other.
So Pop Jack in the Navy.
World War II.
I had a grandfather served on the USS Arizona.
Wow.
Grandpa.
That's pretty cool.
John Harry Edelman.
The rest of this submarine, where this bolt is from, since it's the only one the U.S. ever captured, it's on display at a museum in Chicago.
So I went there right as I was developing, take a banana for the ride.
And I went there and I took the tour.
And I found a bunch of matches for this bolt all over that submarine.
So it's kind of cool to see that.
That's insane.
So he was telling the truth.
It wasn't bullshit.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
Yeah.
There's a lot of deep, deep stuff in the show.
And it's cathartic.
Like at first I was like, how am I going to do this every night?
It's too emotional digging up these memories, digging up my, I read my parents' love letters and stuff.
And when I first tried to do the show, I would leave like all fucked up.
Like I couldn't handle what emotionally.
I get stomach aches.
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what if I make it just a little,
a little sillier.
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and leave it there and go out to dinner with my friends or whatever.
So I was able to leave the emotions in the theater.
So I had like a real acting breakthrough that way.
Yeah.
It's kind of like the uniform.
Yeah.
You can only wear it in between the lines.
Yes.
Yes.
I love that.
Once you leave, you still got mail and family and other shit you have to deal with.
Yes.
But when you come back to that stadium, you got put that armor on.
Wow.
So that was my, that was my armor.
That's awesome.
That was my protection.
That sounds like such an awesome experience.
Just fucking, let's just do Broadway for eight weeks, eight shows a week.
I always wanted to be a working New York Broadway actor.
Why?
I grew up in New York.
You know, when my mom was sick, my mom had leukemia,
and I was like 12, 13, 14, my sister's a year younger than me.
My dad would take us on the weekends to visit her.
It was far into New York from Jersey.
And to cheer us up, he would take us to, like, the Carnegie Deli at a Broadway show.
But all the Broadway shows were about orphans, Annie, Oliver, you know,
and, like, she was dying.
But I love those shows, like the Spectre.
a musical, a great story.
And I always wanted to do that kind of show.
But because I'm not a singer and a dancer,
you know, I had a final way for me to do it.
I saw Jackie Mason.
I saw Billy Crystal do one person shows.
And it inspired me to do that someday.
So now I always wanted that Broadway acting street cred of doing eight shows a week.
And you got it now.
I got it now.
Forever.
You've done a lot of shit, man.
and you've pioneered a bunch of stuff.
We're here to talk about the roast, the Brady roast,
but you also have Kevin Hart's roast coming up.
Yep.
I believe at the end of this week.
Yes.
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Mother's Day.
Motherfuckus Day.
Motherfuckus Day.
Now, why do we pick Mother's Day and how excited are you for this?
You think Kevin was like telling his wife, honey,
can we make Mother's Day all about me this year?
I'm sure that would well.
Yeah, well, a little bit.
be there. It's happened. You know why? Because it has happened to land on Mother's Day. It's the last day of
Netflix as a joke festival. And it's kind of the finale of the festival. The send off. Yeah.
Are you except, so what do we, what do we expect with this? Is it going to, is it going to top the Brady roast?
I think there's a chance of might, Julian. And I know that's a bold statement. We haven't is this,
this will be the next roast after, right? Yeah. So I mean, that's always hard. It's like,
My thinking was...
It's like Jack trying to follow me in a drive.
Here's why I think it tops...
About a hundred yards back.
Here's why I think it tops the Brady Roast.
The Brady Roast was so huge.
2.4 billion viewing minutes.
Emmy nominated.
Won the DGA Award.
The Roast used to be a joke.
Right?
They were like a cultural moment that happened
every couple years.
But it never made it to the Emmys.
we were up against the Oscars,
the Super Bowl halftime show,
the Grammys, and the Tonys.
Those are the biggest brands in television.
Now the roast live is up against the other big,
we lost to the Oscars.
And I'm like, wow, we are no longer a B show.
The roasts are an A show.
It's the format that is the star.
Once Tom did it, now people want to see a roast.
Yeah.
It doesn't even matter who we fucking roast.
People want to see it.
Yeah.
So I think, and Kevin knows how to market.
He's a really good producer.
So I think there's a chance.
And his takes different.
Now, with you guys, it was, it was gronk.
It was you.
It was craft.
Belichick came out like Darth Vader.
Like, it was like fun.
This is going to be more of a murderer's row of comics.
Philly comics, comics that know Kevin, that know shit about him.
The way you knew shit about Tom, these comics know stuff about Kevin.
He's giving breaks to his opening acts, like stuff like that.
It's going to be pretty vicious.
I mean, I can't wait.
And nothing's off limits.
It's going to be wild.
How about that, though?
I mean, Emmy nominated with the Oscars.
You guys, you guys also did this on a streamer.
So everyone probably, you guys are the bad boys.
Yeah.
You guys are the bad boys.
of TV right now. No commercials, no censorship, no bleeping. You can go as long as you want.
Which is, it's live. That's a completely new format, by the way. Every other Comedy Central
roast tape. Another pioneer. No, we would tape it and cut out the jokes that didn't work. Now the
jokes that didn't work are fucking all over the internet. That's great. It's like, it's the most
cutthroat thing ever. No chill. Like you couldn't, I remember, I remember getting Tom into this thing and
and then, you know, then he retired and unretired.
And then we wanted to wait for the festival.
And then I had to, like, make the call and go,
um,
they want to do it live.
And I just kind of like said it in between two other sentences about nothing.
So it's live.
It's on Sunday.
He's like,
what?
What?
No editing?
Like,
that's,
that's tough.
I got to give him credit, man.
No.
It took a lot of balls for him to do that,
especially,
you know, where he was at.
There was a lot of material, let's just say.
There was a lot of fun material that was current at the time.
But here's another reason why it was great for him
and why it was the greatest roast of all time.
Made him look normal.
He humanized him.
All those jokes about Giselle, deflateateate,
whatever else.
He's never going to hear that again.
Ever.
It's over.
It's hacky.
It's done.
So it solved that problem.
If that was a perceived problem, then that's over with.
Now it's just a recycled joke.
Right.
Buddy, we saw the roast.
Get some new material.
Get some new material, guy.
Yeah.
There's probably plenty of that.
No.
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Now we got, we, we have to go over some of the old roasts.
I mean, you had Charlie Sheen on.
What, what's one thought of the Charlie Sheen roast?
The Charlie Sheen roast is one of my favorites because Charlie and I had been on the road together.
He was, I didn't know him, but he was like flaming out on the road.
He was like going through some shit.
And he, he had a show that he was doing.
And he was like, the hell was it called?
Three and a half men.
No, it had some crazy name.
Was torpedo of truth tour?
Oh, right?
It was like winning and tiger blood.
That was right after the Brian Wilson shit.
I'm winning.
Yeah, 2011.
My violent torpedo of truth slash defeat is not an option.
Tor.
He was bombing.
A little wordy.
Every time you have a slash and a title.
So he's like, Jeff, you know, a couple people mentioned me to him.
So he called me one night.
And he said, can you get on a plane tomorrow morning and show up at my show in Atlantic
city and just come out and roast me when I start bombing.
I go, okay, I need a hazmat suit at a podium.
And when I make like there's a bomb scare.
And I come out, I wrote some jokes on the plane.
I did like five, six minutes and it went really well.
He says, can you do tomorrow in Philly?
Then I do that.
He's like, can you do Detroit next weekend?
So we wind up doing eight shows.
So every city, I had more and more Charlie Sheen jokes.
because it was like, you know,
there was a lot of material then too.
And he was like, everybody, you know,
everybody was accusing him
of being a crackhead and all this.
I was like, his life was bad.
Oh, yeah.
I said, Charlie, if you're,
if you're winning,
something's wrong with the scoreboard.
A lot of jokes.
Oh, timer.
Yeah, there was a lot of good jokes.
But then when we finally got,
so after a few of those,
I was like, why don't we just do this on Comedy Central?
And he's like, great.
And we did it on Comedy Central.
and Mike Tyson was on it and it was like a pretty broie roast.
And I realized I was going to be sitting between Charlie Sheen,
who was like this infamous character now and Mike Tyson.
So I dress like Gaddafi.
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like his government crumbled in Libya.
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So I was just like, let me just come out as Gaddafi.
I looked just like him.
So that was one of my.
If that was a...
You love a good costume.
Oh, yeah.
I got a good surprise coming for next week.
We have a good surprise?
Yeah.
What about Alec Baldwin?
How was that a roast?
Alec Baldwin was a good one.
That was like the last one before the pandemic, I think.
And he was a good sport.
And Alec Baldwin roast now would be a lot better for reasons that you can Google.
but I remember it being fine.
You know what?
It got super real.
Like the comics were funny.
Robert De Niro was there.
Ken Jong was there.
Caitlin Jenner was there.
So there was a lot of fun celebrity jokes.
But the highlight for me was his daughter.
His daughter roasted him.
So imagine your worst nightmare.
His like somewhat estranged daughter,
his daughter with Kim,
Basinger. And the voicemail.
Yeah. And she killed it.
And I said, I asked him after, he's my neighbor in New York. And he said, that roast was,
was great. But my daughter, that's the one that stung.
What about David Hasselhoff?
Hasselhoff was fun because I didn't want to do it. So when you don't care, I was like,
you know, sometimes like I'm on in these meetings, you know, I'm going, don't you want to do
David Hasselhoff? I'll tell you. I'm in the development of these roast. So every week we
have calls going who should we get sometimes the calls are incoming you know people want to be
roasted not always the person you want so then they go all right we're locking in david haslehoff
and i'm like you know i guess it's better than not having a roast so i call my buddy i mentioned it to
john mayor who's a good buddy of mine and he's like dude don't stress it he goes sometimes i don't
want to play the hits, but you got to kind of do with the audience.
And the audience is going to love seeing you rip into David Haslow.
So we got Seth McFarland to emce it.
And the jokes can be when you don't really, look, David Hasol, a very nice guy,
but he wasn't my favorite actor.
I wasn't like a super fan.
Yeah.
So it allowed me to go in hard.
Deep.
Yes.
Yeah.
You know, he had that show about a Knight Rider.
I go, what's the odds of an alcoholic would create a show about a car that drives itself?
Seth McFarlane told me that was his favorite joke.
I came out in like a fucking speedo or something, if I recall.
Oh, yeah, with the leather jacket?
Yeah.
Oh, there it is.
Yeah.
Oh, see the white.
So my...
Did you have your appendix taken out?
No.
What that is is my jokes.
I go, you guys want to hear some dick jokes?
And I reach into my crotch and I pulled out.
I pulled out my jokes.
Dude, I remember when...
Oh, my God.
Another great roast, Bieber, almost started crying.
That was a big roast.
Back in the day, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was huge.
You know what?
That was an incoming call.
Really?
Very rare.
Big star.
Incoming call.
Oh, my God.
I trust like the Pope.
Was it an all-timer?
Yeah.
Incoming call.
What was your favorite about that one?
Bieber and his manager at the time, Scooter Braun,
they were like, we have this massive album coming out.
Like he hadn't really had a hit in a while.
He was going through some like young guy shit with like crashing a Ferrari and doing like some
immature shit.
But he had this grown up album in the chamber.
So they were like, how do we put all the past behind us?
And kind of just reset our.
life and a roast.
So it was their idea.
So that was big.
That was big because Kevin Hart hosted it.
I talked to Pete Davidson yesterday.
He's like, he's like, I can't believe it's been over a decade since that Bieber roast.
It's crazy.
And I saw Justin at the fanatics football event.
And Justin, every time he sees me, he hugs me and says that roast saved my career.
Thank you.
Man.
How he's taking over Coachella, man.
How he's Justin Chella.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, who's someone in history that may not be alive that you would love to roast?
Oh, my God.
Dude, Stevie Wonder would be my top of my list.
The Netflix roast of Stevie Wonder, you got to hear it to believe it.
No one would see that coming.
Oh, man.
Are you a Stevie Wonder?
you wonder sight,
truther?
You think he can see?
Stephen A is.
Listen to me.
This is compelling.
Listen to me.
I've roasted every type of person.
In my Netflix special that's out now,
I roast a guy with no hands.
He lost him at a fire.
Like, I can roast anyone, right?
I said to the guy like,
and give it up for his wife,
poor woman's never been finger bang.
My second finger bang joke of the night.
Nice.
Two for two.
So I can roast anyone.
But I've never roasted a blind person.
And Stevie's like a hero to mind.
The way he talks about life and civil rights and I've seen him talk about comedy, he's funny.
So to me, for whatever reason, Stevie Wonder would be a good one.
Stevie Wonder.
What a cool.
It's a great answer.
Great pull.
Yeah.
Wow.
This guy just has, you just have things floating in your brain all day.
Yeah.
I can't help it.
Well, especially right.
now you're catching me a week before the Tom Brady roast.
So like, I'm in full roast mode.
I'm not calling anybody back.
I'm not thinking about it.
I'm just in this right now.
Like, I got all my jokes with me.
Like, I'm like, this is like, you heard of method acting?
This is like method roasting.
I have to fucking tie myself to a chair and watch all Kevin Hart's shitty fucking movies.
I got to read all these fucking interviews that he does and he's on Instagram.
working out, you know, it's like, he's like, arm day, leg day.
I'm like, when is script day?
These movies are terrible.
Oh, no.
Night school, watching night school unreason.
Kevin hasn't had to hit movies since 2019.
Usually we try to roast someone at the height of their fame, but height isn't really Kevin's thing.
A little preview.
Let's go, baby.
It's a little taste.
Kevin Hartflies private.
What a waste of leg room.
What's your favorite roast?
set of all time.
Mine? Or anyone's?
Anyone's. Oh, wow.
Who had the best roast set?
This is definitely something for your fans to Google, but look up to Gilbert Godfrey
roasts. He roasted Roseanne. He roasted Hugh Hefner.
Like Gilbert Godfrey's roast sets are like blazing. See, heads going up.
Like Gilbert's roasts were.
he didn't have I have friends like I'm in show business
Gilbert didn't care who he offended
you couldn't fire him you couldn't
he didn't care like I have to hold back sometimes
I'm like oh I talked time into this maybe I shouldn't say this joke
like I have to like have a conscience
Gilbert didn't give a fuck
It's like a suicide bomber
Yeah
I don't care about life
Right right he's just going
just ready to go into it.
So Gilbert's one of my favorites.
I love Anthony Jezelneck on the Trump roast.
I love Lisa Lampinelli on the Flava Flav roast.
Classic.
My roast of Emmett Smith and Shaq on YouTube is pretty great.
I was watching that this week. Unbelievable.
The Shaq Knuckles joke, unreal.
I just did Shaq podcast and we broke down that one because, like, you can't even do those jokes.
any more.
No.
Jack,
your knuckles
looked scraped.
Did you walk
here?
I mean,
he had this
brand new championship
ring on,
so he held it up
and then I landed the joke.
It also helps
when you're,
when there's 2,000 people
and you're the only
white dude in the room.
I definitely had an angle
that no one else had.
All right.
I love Norm McDonald's set,
too.
Oh, yeah.
Norm McDonald's set at the Bob Sagat Rose
is great.
That one is special.
Norm pretended to be reading the newspaper the entire roast.
So he wasn't paying attention.
And then when he went up,
he brought up like a farmer's almanac and did like the corniest,
most benign,
softest jokes ever.
And it almost was like flip, right?
It was like a jujitsu of the brain,
like anti-roasting.
And it murdered.
Yeah.
God.
It's so crazy.
It's like it's almost.
The roast is kind of like Vine and TikTok.
Oh,
because back in the day,
all TikTok is is Vine.
Vine was cool for a moment.
And then it disappeared.
And then it came back as TikTok.
You guys disappeared for like five years.
Then you come back with the streamers.
Now you're TikTok.
The roast brand is just on a whole other level.
It just seems like it's like reinvented itself to a higher level.
Because there was a thousand of these roasts that I used to watch all the time as a kid.
And now it's like you guys have hit levels
Like TikTok
Do you remember what you were watching as a kid?
Yeah, I remember watching the Bieber shit
I remember watching Hasselhoff.
I always, I mean, I loved Comedy Central
Because South Park, I'd watch you guys
So like I remember watching all them
I remember when you came up on stage in New York
And I was doing like a at the private
At Zero Bond I was just messing around
And you came up with some broads
And I roasted you guys.
Yeah, we got roasted.
That was like the first time
we ever met. I think it was a, we were day drinking in the city and I, we would go to zero bond and I'm
cool with a guy there that introduces me to Jeff. Jeff is like smoking a blunt indoors. Nice.
And like, he's like, hey, I like your shit. Come check us out or something like that. So I go down,
I bring the group and we just get roasted for like 30 minutes straight. It was so fun. It was so fun.
And then it says a lot. It says a lot about somebody that can get roasted.
It says a lot.
You got to be able to laugh for yourself.
You got to be.
I mean, otherwise life is long.
Way too long.
Way too long.
Now, let's go back.
This is a segment.
We go back into time we talk about pop culture around the game or the roast.
This roast took place on May 5th, 2024, not too long ago.
Which fun fact.
When this episode comes out, it's May 5th, 2026, to your anniversary.
Let's go.
Your anniversary.
Wow.
Wow.
Number one movie was Fall Guy.
Gossling.
Fortnite by Taylor Swift.
I remember that with Little Lil, my nine-year-old.
Challengers, Dune, 2, Kung Fu Panda, all were out in the box office.
So I think what we can gather from this so far is that the roast was the coolest fucking thing of the year.
By a mile.
Who cares about fucking the Fall Guy and Challenger's Dune Part 2, Kung Fu Panda 4?
Well, you probably like Kung Fu.
I mean, you do Kung Fu, don't you?
Yeah, but I didn't get to Panda 4.
Aren't you a black belt?
I am, but I stopped after David Carradine fucking died.
I didn't watch Kung Fu Panda 4 because I'm a black belt.
Now, who would be a better...
You could become a great football player watching cartoons about football.
It inspired me.
Okay.
All right.
That and the Ninja Turtles.
hilarious.
Now, Kendrick Lamar, Drake, who's better for the roast?
Oh, my God.
Man, you know what?
I'll just say this.
I write to Drake every few months.
And he's always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he never does it.
Drake would be the biggest roast ever.
Oh, man, he's huge.
And he's funny.
Very funny.
And the shit that Kendrick said about him, that's like bullshit.
There's so much more to roast about Drake.
It's like half white, half Jewish.
He's like a child star.
His music is like for chicks.
Like there's this so much with Drake that would be so funny.
about Kendrick.
I don't know if Kendrick's got that kind of personality.
What do you think?
I don't think so.
He's too serious.
Yeah, he might,
you might get in a beef.
You know,
Kendrick's like a rapper,
but Drake is like an entertainer.
Yeah.
That's why I like Drake.
Now,
would Drake get mad hearing that,
or does he understand that?
I say it as a compliment.
Yeah.
Drake's got a good sense of humor too.
Drake,
even with all...
Drake is funny.
I love...
Even with all the beefs,
and by the way,
Drake's a humor.
huge roast fan and my bumping mic show on Netflix.
He always tells me how much he loves it.
He loves Sarah Somerman. He loves comedy.
I just think Drake would be a great roast because I think his rebuttal would be seething.
He would end all the bullshit with Kendrick.
And we'd do it in Toronto where he's at home and...
I think we need to get this going.
Oh, let's do it.
Iceman.
Iceman's coming out, May 15th. Let's go.
Drake roast would be so big.
Now, what were you doing in 2024?
other than this roast?
I was doing the early versions of my one-man show,
Take a Banana for the ride.
I was touring it.
Three days after the roast,
I had one at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery.
There's a theater there,
and Kevin Hart gave me so much shit about it.
He's like, that proves your career is dead.
We saw Samarrell there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was working on Take a Banana for the ride.
So since this roast,
that show went from a cemetery to Broadway to Netflix.
Let's go.
How about trajectory.
Geez, man.
Anything you do, Jeff, looks like it's just up and to the right.
And that whole year, the whole two years,
Kevin also said I look sicker and sicker every time he looks at me.
That was one of his roast jokes on me.
And it made me paranoid.
So I went to get a colonoscopy.
And I had saved my life.
You liked it.
I loved it.
Diddy was there.
I don't remember everything.
But I never got to.
bill.
But I'm just telling
if I didn't go get a
colonoscopy, I'd be dead right now.
So shout out to the co-oscopies.
And shout up to Kevin Hart for saving
my life. The joke.
Roasting saves lives.
Roasting saves lives.
See, there you go.
It does.
Let's go, Jackie.
What's the lead up to this roast?
No, I'm just glad.
That's fucking sake, Jeff.
I love these stats, guys.
All right, we got to lead this thing up.
It started, Jeff, you were hounding Tom
for like years and years leading up
to this because it was the retirement in
2022 of February. Then he unretires
in March 22, but then in May
2022, it kind of gets out that
he's, Tom's rumored to be the next roastee
on the Netflix roast. Then February
2023 says
he's retired for good. Wow.
And the whole time, you guys were like
dude. Take us through that planning, Jeff. Take us through
the planning. Talk about holding on
to a whale, man. I got to give
myself some credit on this one. We got a big one.
All right.
Here's what happened.
I don't know how much of this people know,
but you guys are,
you guys will get it with Tom.
What was that last Super Bowly one?
Tampa.
What year?
2021.
Okay.
So I'm looking at my Instagram.
You can see who looks at your Instagram stories.
Super Bowl Sunday.
Hours before the game.
I notice he's,
I'm making football jokes and he's looking at it.
So I clocked that.
I go, okay, Tom Brady loves Rose.
And that's what he does to chill before a big game.
Right?
He's just laughing.
Stress relief.
I clocked that.
Doom scrolling?
No, I don't know.
I made a joke about him and gronk or something and he caught it.
And I happened to see that he caught it.
I was like, Super Bowl Sunday.
This guy's playing a Super Bowl.
He's looking at my shit.
I go, if he wins,
I'm going to write him.
That means he's probably going to retire.
And I'm,
he would be the greatest roast of all.
You're a great way,
Buffalo.
And he wins.
So I write to him,
right back,
he writes me back right away.
Let's fucking go.
I didn't know he wanted to like end woke,
fucking,
the,
wokeness.
Like,
I,
I just hit the right guy.
And I never do this,
by the way.
like sell the roast to people.
I've never done this before, but come over here.
I swear I've never done this before.
How many times you hear of that.
So he's like, so he's like in.
And he's like my partner.
Bring in Casey Patterson. We make up a pitch.
We all pitch it to Netflix.
Then he unretire.
He'd go into a divorce.
We announced the roast.
Then we're like, oh, you know what?
Can we hold on to him for another.
of months and do it at the festival because that way the comics everyone's in town anyway and we can
really do something special and Netflix is like we want to get into the live business can you talk
him in doing it live I go no but I could just tell him we're doing a live if I have to ask him
I think if we're just doing it that's what it is he'll understand that that's going to be good
for him and that it's going to be bigger better it has for forgiveness than probably it's not even that
It's like he understands big and winning.
And that's the winning.
That's the most courageous way to do it.
And it also, like the numbers were insane.
So it took a few years.
And then when was the actual date?
24.
May 5th.
May 5th.
2024.
So this was a two year,
two,
over two year adventure.
This was a two year adventure.
Shout out to Instagram stories.
Three years.
That Instagram story feature, man.
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Fucking Instagram.
I should go back and find out what the joke was that I clocked and he was laughing at.
I mean,
that should be in a comedy hall of fame.
Legit.
And when I knew he was really in,
he sent me one of those like iPhone videos to use the pitch at Netflix.
I was like,
here he is.
He's on the pitch.
So it worked out.
It tells you something about him though.
He,
you know,
he may have read the room.
Because you look at Tom Brady, I mean, look at him.
He doesn't look human.
This guy's beautiful.
He's fucking got seven Super Bowls.
But in reality, he's really one of the guys.
And this is the perfect thing to make him feel like one of the other guys.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
Keep us on the lead up, Jack.
All right.
Well, of course, we got a profile.
We profile the teams on this one.
Today we're doing the roasty Tom Brady.
He was 46 at the time of this.
I mean, as we know, played up until he's 45.
seven times Super Bowl champ, five times Super Bowl MVP, three-time NFL.
Who got six two in there?
Six-four, six chin, chisel jaw, all that.
We know this guy.
Most comeback player, I mean, NFL comeback player 2009, most wins by a quarterback,
251, all the accolades, the goat, the goat for a reason.
And around this time, he was retired for good.
He said him for good.
No coming back, no Instagram beach videos, nothing for good.
I think it helped him so much.
Oh, it's huge.
Which makes me go, how do we get LeBron when LeBron retires?
I mean, LeBron, see, because you got Great White Buffalo,
LeBron is already slated to do it.
I feel.
Yeah, I mean.
Because LeBron will do it if, you know what I mean?
I think he's going to do it.
We have to make the roast, the thing that the ghosts do when they retire.
1,000 percent, because it humifies them.
is that a word?
Humanizes.
Humifies.
It's not a word guy.
You're doing great.
And then you, of course, we got to talk about the rosters.
You're a freaking English teacher.
But my math is way worse than his.
He's really good at math.
Oh, man.
We got to talk.
We mentioned earlier.
Tons of teammates in this one.
You had Jules.
You had Grong.
You had Randy Moss.
You had Drew Bledsoe.
The guy Tom Brady replaced.
Of course, you had Peyton Manning out there.
He introduced Brady in this one.
and then comics, of course, a murderer's row.
Jeff, Will Ferrell has Ron Burgundy,
Nikki Glazer, Andrew Schultz, Seguer,
Tony Hinchcliffe, Sam J.
And we had some special appearances,
some big name celebs,
Affleck, Kim Kardashian got up there.
And then, of course, the crowd.
I mean, we could do a whole episode
on just who was in the crowd.
This was A-List, baby.
This was A-List. This was very A-List.
Now, what goes into building the dais?
You know, you try to get the friends.
You try to get friends.
Comfort.
Yeah, make him comfortable.
And we did the best we could.
Because he didn't know the comics.
He asked for Nikki.
Oh.
Which people don't know.
I didn't know that.
Of course, she was already on my list.
But when he asked, I called Tom myself very early on.
And we just talked.
And I pitched some people and he pitched some people.
And I still have this piece of paper with names.
And a lot of surprises because I'd pitch certain people.
you'd think were obvious and you'd like, no, yeah.
And some of them, it was, it was interesting.
Is there someone you wanted that didn't do it?
Someone I want.
In the dais?
Nothing jumps out at me.
I thought Bledsoe was important to tell the story, like to bring him early on.
Because I like this to be like chronological.
I like to take you through the honoree's life.
And Drew kind of kicks off his professional career.
and then Belichick kind of capped it at the end towards the end
but no I don't think there's anybody we didn't get that we really needed
I think it felt pretty complete once you had Belichick and craft
and you guys you and Grongk
now who made the decision on which Patriots go up
because a lot of people with you know if there was one thing
Rabel and Matt Light should have probably went up
well we put everybody through a cognitive test
And Gronk made it?
And Gronk failed, but we thought we could write funny jokes about him.
Grank told me the other day that he's like now goes through airports
and people don't even remember him as a football player.
He's like, I'm a comedy star now.
Old ladies think I'm like a sitcom actor.
That was you, bro.
Well, he's on animal control, too.
Right after this, I was in Brazil.
Yeah.
and people would come up to me
and the majority of people
would come up to me because of the roast.
They didn't know,
they thought I was a comic.
Right.
Like, no,
I don't do comedy,
football player.
Right,
right.
Well,
you had your helmet off,
you're telling jokes,
your comic.
It was crazy.
That's how big it was.
Like,
internationally.
I love that.
I really love that.
Who took the most convincing
to get Belichick?
Yeah.
That was hard.
Yeah.
How did that go down?
my partner Casey did the dealings with him.
But the big pitch was that it would,
he'd be able to, Bill himself would be able to show a side
that no one knows about.
The human being, the sense of humor,
the cutting ruthlessness that you don't see
because he's always like no comment, blah, blah, blah.
You know, so suddenly he's commenting.
Which we all saw that every day in the locker room.
Right.
So that's the freaking leader.
That's what you want to see.
Now that he's, you know, at legend status, why not show everybody how you do it?
Without a doubt.
It was brutal truth.
Belichick was a tough one to get there.
I can't.
I mean.
And Peyton was tough to get there.
Peyton almost left because it was going on so long.
Wait.
That's the time.
He was so long.
The show was like three hours and six minutes.
And that's because Kevin was riffing so.
much in between acts and Peyton was backstage like shortening his scripts threatening the
leave I mean he also roasted ghost like Kim Kardashian did her thing and then sat in the
audience for another two and a half hours that's a good sport Peyton's like I don't want
to get roasted I'll come out and I'll leave nah you know come on Omaha this ain't a
Bush's baked bean commercial come on dog I've been was hilarious and I do love
of him at a comedy show, but I always want the people to stick around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Come on, man.
Now, can you explain to everyone your role behind the scenes as an executive producer?
Because I remember when I originally said, I don't want to do it.
I'm too scared.
You called and like did some convincing.
And then we would talk in with a creative room.
And we basically would lay out everything that I,
I thought was funny.
Then you guys would formulate it and turn it into like some cool joke.
I had some jokes.
You guys had,
explain that process of what you did behind the scenes for the roast.
It's a lot.
I'm in the middle of it now.
You know,
sometimes it's comedians like Andrew Schultz, Tony,
Hinchcliffe, Sam J.
That have that edge.
And for them,
you know,
it's about giving them the platform to do what they do.
do. Other people like Tom and Bert, Kreischer and Tom Segora, they're not really known for that
type of comedy. So I'm like, come up with something different that no one else is doing so you don't
sound like everyone else and it's unique to you guys. So you have to come up with ideas.
Ron Burgundy, you know, you kind of get that. That's him doing his character and you put writers
on it. In that case, he probably hired his own writers, if I recall. But the players,
you, gronk, Bledsoe.
Drew, Drew came in with fucking pages of,
like he'd been waiting for this call for 20 years.
For three, more like 25 years, motherfucker.
Drew Bledsoe, he was, I've never seen anybody.
Like, he was so gung-ho.
Like, he was bloodthirsty for this.
He did great, too.
Yeah.
We had him on the show the next day.
He was just like so just vived out.
he was so happy.
Dude, after the roast, he came with me in the comics to the comedy store and got drunk with us till three in the morning.
Fuck, yeah.
He, you know, he's the best.
But what we do is, like in your case, Gronk's case, it's like an interview.
Like, what, you know, what's your relationship with Tom, like, you know, what would you want to get off your chest?
What's something you always wanted to say to him?
And we're taking notes so that the jokes we write.
for you. Authentic.
Are only you could tell, Julian.
I don't want jokes that my,
I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't give you
my leftover jokes.
It would be like,
be tough.
It would probably work, but it wouldn't be memorable.
Yeah.
You'd get the laugh, but you wouldn't have people
stopping you in the street in Brazil going,
you're a comedian.
Because they're tailor-made like a suit to you.
And if I recall, you had like your friends
helping you too.
you were coming in with ideas.
So when I clock that,
I go,
this guy's going to be good
because he cares.
He's competitive.
And once the other teammates
started coming in,
Randy Moss,
Bronx,
you were the first one we booked.
We couldn't get anybody at first.
You were the first,
that's an exclusive.
Nobody wanted to do this fucking thing.
We were all terrified.
I was like,
I'm not doing.
I turned it down.
I was like,
no fucking way.
Yeah,
you were going to get canceled.
So I called you.
You were like,
you were like,
I don't want to fucking get in the middle of this.
but I was like, no, man, you could really score.
This guy can sell a ketchup stick to a woman in white.
I tell you right now, this fucking guy.
This fucking guy.
Was I right?
Was I right?
He was fucking right.
He was fucking right.
And also the cool thing with Jeff, and I will say as a non-comic doing this,
he helped make it so comfortable for us.
Like, we've already explained to our audience, you know,
a few nights before the roast or like a week before.
before the roast, you had me come to the comedy store and do my three days before the roast.
Three days before the roast to do my set, to try to learn the crowd and feel those, those, those,
those, those, that energy for the first time I've ever felt. And it was great for me because it was like,
as of athlete, we are creatures of habit and we always wanted a rep. Like our whole thing was we would
install the play. We'd walk through the play. Then we would go to a drill for the play. Then we would run
the play. Like there was so many things before you got to run the play. So the, the preparation that
you helped me out with and the comfort that you gave me to go out there and embarrass myself
was awesome. Like I, I, thank you. You're welcome. You did not embarrass yourself. Well, thank
God we had, I think 15, 16 frat dudes. It's funny. Like, remember they're all frat kids? You know,
it's like practice, whether it's a roast or running a play. It's really. It's really. It's
really important to run the plays. And for me, like, tonight I'll go to the comedy store
and I'll run the plays. Those are my plays. Because it's not the jokes. Anyone can write jokes.
It's the moments. Like, I want, like, which one is a question? Which one is a, do I say to Kevin?
Which one do I say about Kevin? Now, like, now once I pick my material, I'm nuanced,
I'm just tweaking it just a little bit.
Timing.
Right.
Timing of like, I remember there was like three things that we wrote.
It was just like, I say it something.
And the crowd erupts and you got to let them die before you can deliver the, like the delivery of everything.
You need that rep.
The variables of the crowd.
The variables of the room.
All those things matter.
And when you get that rep, even if it's only one rep, I would have fucking.
probably like not sold the joke if I didn't do it the first time.
Because you went to the comedy club, it demystifies the whole thing.
And it was harder in the comedy store.
Of course.
Because everyone's on you.
And no one cares about Tom Brady's not sitting there.
No.
The stakes are, we're just two guys reading off our phones.
Yeah.
I was like shaking during this.
Right.
I remember you were shaking.
And the flashcards.
It was kind of beautiful to see like a Super Bowl champ nervous in my arena.
But by getting, like, dusting it off and working it out a little bit,
it's why you killed so hard.
Because now you're not telling jokes.
You're just saying the jokes.
You know them so well.
You know what's funny about them.
Yeah.
Because you've done it.
You've heard them get laughs.
That's got to boost your confidence.
Yeah, it was confidence.
The mystery is gone.
you know that they get laughs.
What is it?
From strangers.
Yeah, from strangers.
So then you go do it at the forum in front of 10, 12, 15,000 people with Tom Brady sitting there.
It was fun.
Now, was that moment when Tom came up to you and pretended like he was mad about the RKK drop?
Was that a moment?
Was that scripted or not scripted?
I don't know.
You tell me.
You tell me.
You're the EP.
Not scripted.
Not scripted.
That was good.
Not scripted.
You know, we all were talking about it.
Was it scripted?
Was it not scripted?
When did you know Mr. Kraft was going to be there that day?
Late edition.
Yeah.
I knew the joke was pushing it, but I also knew it might be worth it.
So sometimes you kind of pick your moments.
I like to be edgy.
I like to scratch the skin, but not break it.
And I thought that joke would scratch, not break.
Robert Kraft loved it.
Loved it.
Loved it.
I've seen him three times since he loved it.
Tom was trying to become an owner.
He needed Kraft's help, so he was protected his fucking guy.
I don't know.
You're talking about.
I respect that.
I respect that.
Some motive.
I respect that.
Oh, for sure.
It's like when a lawyer objects on behalf of a client, even when they know it's bullshit.
So I got to give Tom credit for sticking up for this guy right there.
but everybody's like,
the reason people think it was scripted
is because I didn't panic.
Like,
this guy knows,
he's a pro.
Like if I,
if flappable.
If,
if I didn't know Tom really well,
he was my partner on the show,
that would have been a Will Smith moment there, right?
Like you think,
you see Tom Brady coming at you.
You think you're about to get smacked.
I mean,
he's already been through it.
Don't forget,
Kevin Hart just destroyed him.
Now,
was Will Smith before this or after this?
before. Okay, so it could have happened.
Yeah. At that point,
Will Smith doing something like that is like not even imaginable.
Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. So now,
no, Tom was cool. Tom was, I mean, I think that was all real.
Now. Of all the things to offend him, one joke about Robert Kraft.
All that, all that shit about his life and family and guy loves football.
The whole world's calling him a cheater, but don't fucking fuck with Robert.
It all worked out, man.
It all worked out.
The Raiders now.
Now, Nikki Glazer.
She had, like, after this, it felt like she just went up.
I thought she had the most to gain out of this whole thing.
And she fucking murdered it.
And the work she put in.
Golden Globes.
I saw her last night, you know, she really, really murdered this one.
That's her work ethic.
But I got to tell you something about Nikki.
Yeah.
this catapulted her and she admits that but she'd been doing these roasts and roast battles
and the historical roast that i do on netflix for a dozen years already so she put her time
into the roast world like this was her thing so it's not like you and gronk where you figured
it out for the one night and killed it like she'd been really working towards this
moment. You got to give her a huge amount of applause for that.
Success is when preparation meets opportunity. There you go. That's what she did.
That opportunity was right there for her. Eat up.
What's your most underrated moment from this roast? Okay. The thing that people don't talk about enough.
And one of the reasons it's the greatest roast of all time, one of the reasons we're talking about it,
that bottom middle picture.
Tom Brady's rebuttal.
We don't talk about the rebuttals enough.
First of all,
he had to follow three hours.
Of getting his teeth kicked in.
Three hours and six minutes.
So that means he came up like five minutes to the three hour mark.
Oh.
So he hasn't peed.
He's sitting there.
He can't call anybody.
He can't completely.
to his manager, what did you get? He's got to process it all live across the world, right?
They're watching this shit in Brazil, right? Everywhere. Everyone he's ever met watching it.
And he goes up, cool as can be, and fucking kills. And he's like cocky. And he's like talking about the flake gate, talking about.
He's never heard him talk about. Right. So it's not his comfort zone.
So I thought his rebuttal is what capted this thing.
1,000%
We talk about the shots and craft.
You can see if Belichick doing shots.
We talk about, you know, the players rising to the occasion.
We talk about Nikki Glazer.
We talk about the surprise appearances.
But Tom's rebuttal, that's one for the books.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Man.
Tom and late game situation is always great.
Unreal.
I mean, just to put a bow on this bad boy.
The roast literally became a cultural phenomenon.
Jules getting recognized out in Brazil.
Unbelievable.
Streamed 1.6 billion minutes viewed in that first week.
Two-thirds of Netflix's viewership that week.
Became the most streamed Netflix live event ever.
Tom would be inducted in the Patriots Hall of Fame,
June 2024.
So right after this,
this was kind of the ice spray.
We had a roast too.
The roast made that event so much better because that could be all of.
Because of the roast, we were all, like,
you know how your method right now?
You're just roasting?
Yeah.
After the roast, we all thought we were roasters for at least six months.
Yeah.
We were such dicks to each other.
Just assholes.
So at the Patriots event, you were roasting each other?
All day.
The whole thing.
Everyone was just roasted everyone.
What was great about that, the Tom Brady getting inducted in the Patriots Hall of Fame,
Bill Burr went up and instead of like roasting Tom, he roasted like everyone else.
And it was kind of like a nice, like, oh, that's cool.
I love that.
That was cool.
And then, of course, the roast would be nominated for an Emmy, like we talked about earlier.
Unbelievable.
The aftermath.
The roast became a cultural phenomenon.
was screamed billions of minutes.
The roast became the most streamed live event ever.
The one stat that's not on here?
You ready for this one?
This is a fucking mind fuck.
For me, as a comic,
the highest rated comedy special ever,
bigger than anything.
Wow.
Wow.
The highest rated comedy special in history.
That's incredible.
And what metric?
IMDB or just,
Oh, just watching?
It got Super Bowl halftime numbers.
So I don't care if you're, and I, you know, all my guys, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, you know, this was bigger.
This was bigger.
Wow.
Chappelle was pissed when I told him that.
Chappelle was in the green room, right?
He was so cool.
He's my guy.
Fucking Jeff's got a lot of friends.
A lot of cool friends.
That's how I do this.
You know, you got to be able to bring people.
together and nobody wants to go unless they feel wanted.
You got to make people feel like wanted.
1,000% we all felt wanted that night.
Yes.
By old Jeff.
Now, before we go in to grading the roast.
I love how you guys are doing this, by the way.
This is so delightful for me.
Bill Simmons used to say that I was the Michael Jordan of roasting, and he would always
compare the roast of sporting events.
So the fact that you're doing this for us is so cool.
Oh yeah.
Well, I mean, it is a sport.
Well, this show is just a rip off of your watchables, but for sports.
It's blood sport.
Great movie.
Yeah.
Our last question before we score.
Yeah.
What does comedy mean to you?
Life.
It's my life.
I don't have kids.
It's my life.
The comics are my kids.
This roast is, this Kevin Hart roast is my baby.
It's like, this is, this is my mission, my calling, my purpose.
So in the comedy world, I came from your ball sack.
When I started doing these roasts, nobody cared, you know, 30 years ago.
No one cared about any of their shit.
It was like, hey, I'm going to do a roast.
They were like, is that a lost art, like jousting or calligraphy?
Like something no one did anymore?
They would mock me.
And I was like, it's fun, it's cool, you write jokes.
Like, it's better than just doing the same fucking bullshit act you're always doing.
Like, like, I finished my Broadway show and I had no, like, new act.
And I was like, feeling a little, like, creatively, like, kind of like grinding, grinding my wheels.
And I was like, and when Kevin said, all right, let's do a roast, I was like, now I have something to write.
My purpose comes popping back in.
So, yeah, I love.
You can't, you can't look at it.
And I know this applies to football.
I have a big neon light in my house that says,
enjoy the process.
It's practice.
Finding the right cleats.
Getting your moves right.
Learning your play.
It's not just the game.
I like, I got a fitting from my costume after this.
I'm going to go to the comedy store, try out my jokes.
And I'm going to call Tony Hinchcliff back and go over his shit.
You know what I mean?
then I got seven other things with set and marketing and whatever with my partners.
The process is so fun.
I grew up in the catering business, weddings, bar mitzvahs.
This is so like that.
Who's going to sit where?
What are they going to wear?
What are we going to, is there booze?
Are we eating?
Is there a party?
Who's going to be there?
Who's the surprise guest?
Like all of it.
I love the process of putting these shows together.
that's something I tell young people all the time.
They go, what's one bit of advice?
I got you to where you want,
where you are.
I always say, you have to learn to love to learn.
And it's the preparation that you do throughout the week.
Sunday's the easiest part.
That's the easiest.
The hard part is Monday through Saturday.
Reading this fucking binder you don't want to read because you just want to think about
any rest of your bruce.
brain and you got to read you know today i had to like adjust some scripts and send it in and i was just
like this is busy work but i go this is the important part it's like now i really know it learning
it's like anything else you want to you want to know your plays so that if you have to improvise
off them you you can so the thing is this is something that athletes are always told when you know
conceptually what's going on mentally then you
you get to use your superpower, your quickness, your size, whatever it is.
Everyone has a superpower in the National Football League.
But you can't use it unless you know all the shit.
Right.
You know what I mean?
It's just, that's how it goes.
So you subconsciously are doing things because you've already seen them through your preparation.
So then it becomes like deja vu.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Nothing's going to throw you because you've seen it all.
You've seen it all.
And you prepared for all of it.
That's why it was good you went to the club.
That's why we went to the club.
You try out your jokes.
That's why Jeff got me into the goddamn club doing over here 15.
I did 12 minutes.
That was awesome.
I got to say, like Jeff, being part and getting to be in Jules's corner and write those jokes and work with you.
And you were so gracious with your time and so kind and helpful.
And it was the coolest thing, man.
As one of the highlights of my life, man, getting to learn from the master.
You just think about me as the thing about me as the,
producer. Sometimes people go, well, you want people a bomb, right? Sometimes so that we have something
to make fun of. No. When I'm, it's like a caterer. I want everyone who comes to my party to have the
best time. Like Jeff treated our set as if it was his own. Like, it was just, it was so incredible. I need the
people I book to kill. I need the people I book to kill. Because if you bomb, the next roast is much
harder to book.
Yeah.
So if I'm,
if,
if,
if Julian Edelman
comes to
the Tom Brady
roast and
eat shit,
who am I getting
for the next roast?
They'll go,
I'm not going to
bomb like Julian Edelman.
No,
if Edelman kills,
I go,
I took a fucking
football player
and made him
into a comedian.
You think I can't do that.
We did that for
Martha Stewart.
We did that for a lot of people.
Rush.
I mean,
Jeff Ross is basically like
Corey close right now.
Recruiting.
Recruiting.
It's so much easier
to recruit after an Addy.
Oh, yeah.
They just got my day.
He just had her on the pod.
He's just the head coach of USCIL.
All right, let's name the game.
What happens here?
So we name the game.
We have a specific name
that we come up with or something that you can come up with.
It's usually how people will remember this thing.
Usually like the macular reception or like, you know.
The colloquial term.
And then we grade the score of it to see where it lands on the list of greatest games of all time.
These are some of the names that we came up with.
If you have a specific name,
since you are a great creative mind,
you can use that.
We came up with the roast of Tom Brady.
Very original.
The greatest of all roasts.
Great.
The groat.
Greatest roast of all time.
Or something that you.
I came out with the groat originally.
I like the groat.
So I like the groat.
Let's go with the groat.
Score the game.
Is this the greatest roast of all time?
Let's score it.
Decimals are always encourage.
The stakes of this 2024
For roast, I think six years hasn't been, it hadn't been done yet.
It hadn't been done for six years.
What is the stakes of this specific roast?
My career is part of.
Put that 10 to 10.
My career was writing on this.
Yes.
Because I'm the roast master.
No roast in five years.
All through the pandemic.
Plus, it was like other cultures.
So zero to 10. Put a number on it.
Desmals encouraged.
Whatever the highest is.
10.
For me personally and for Roast fans, this is a 10.
Because if this didn't go well, if it was a bomb ratings-wise or creatively,
roast goes away again for five years.
Or they try to bring it back softer.
You go, that was too much.
Let's do the Jonas Brothers roast.
I like it.
For me, I'm going to go nine.
Nine.
Because if I didn't do this, my everything and entertainment probably would have been fucked up for life.
But I still have three Super Bowls, so it can't be a 10.
9-1.
6.9.
And then we had done this with Drew Bledsoe the day right after.
And he did it with an 8.0.
Okay.
The star power of this roast.
A lot of celebrities there, zero to 10 decimals encouraged.
Well, you got Kim Kardashian and Ben Affleck and Will Ferrell.
Right out of, without even me thinking about it, right?
So, and Tom Brady.
So Kevin Hart.
So the star power is...
Do we have any singers?
We had almost all the audience wasn't loaded too.
Yeah, I know.
There had to be like...
And the forum, the forums are fucking star on its own.
I went to the forum the other day to see Springsteen.
Whoa.
And it's gotten to a point now because I'm producing the roast there
and I've opened for Chappelle and John Mayer there.
I don't even think I need a ticket to walk into the forum.
I feel like I could just go there any time.
But because the roast,
doesn't travel, it's only been at the forum.
They have a certain pride.
The people who work there have a lot of pride in the roast.
So the forum is a good.
I think the forum is a star.
Heck yeah.
So you got to grade at zero to ten.
Yeah, 10.
10.
Star, I mean, there's a lot of stars there.
We did 9-5 before.
I'm probably going to go 9-5.
9-5.
Keep it the same.
I'm in the 9.9. 9.9.
Out of 9.9. Drew-Bletso had an 8.0.
Feels like sour graves, but okay.
the gameplay of the roast, how it went.
You know, it was a little long.
It was long.
But it didn't feel long.
Didn't feel long.
So let's not say it went long.
Let's say it went into OT.
Went into OT.
O.T. Game.
That's a...
And the reason it went long is because Kevin was improvising between roasters.
And he was so funny.
And I think that is the reason we're roasting him this time.
He was so ruthless to me and Tom.
and everyone that he's now,
we're going to get our revenge on him.
So I think the gameplay should be a high score.
I don't think you could have better gameplay than this.
Zero to 10 decimal.
Everyone killed.
I'm going to go 10.
That Kevin Falk statement.
Kevin Hart.
That Kevin Hart statement was so true.
As soon as Kevin went out there and did his bit to start,
it relieved so many of us
because he was so mean
he was so mean
but it was also being a good teammate
because pre-show
he knew we were all nervous about our jokes
because we're not in that space
so he went out there and he kind of like
opened the door throughout a jihitsu joke right away
so I'm cool I can talk about it too
he threw out of this joke
and it was like being a good teammate low key
he set the tone a host
a host of a rose hasn't set the tone
He set the tone.
I'm going to go with a gameplay 9.3.
I was 8.9.
I had a 4.5.
It's a sports show.
It's a sports show.
So that's where I met.
2.5.
Drew's got 8.5.
What's Drew's problem?
Why?
It's the best day of his life.
Golly.
Come on, Drew.
What was the joke about him?
Yeah, it was like something about sour grapes for his winery.
The name of the roast.
The name of the game.
name, the groat.
We grade the name here at the Nudhouse.
I don't think it's the.
I think it's just broat, groat.
Just groat.
Like Facebook, drop the the the.
Drop the the the.
Also the cultural relevance too is how we, like the X factor.
How often do you think about it?
Where is it, where is its place in history?
Zero to 10.
Decimals encouraged.
I mean, you talk about the world or in my own personal?
You can do your own personal.
Your own perspective.
I think about it every day.
So 10.
If I don't, then everywhere I go, people mention it.
Yeah.
I think about it a lot.
So I'm going to go 9.1.
These are all extremely high scores.
I'm from a 5.5.
But you know what?
We did it the day after, right?
So we didn't quite understand what it was going to be.
And this is two years exactly later.
I think all of our scores are going to go up.
You had what?
I had an 8.
Drew had a 5.
Drew, because our grapes again, brother.
Okay.
So that puts us at.
8.
Here's an exclusive.
I'm only going to tell you guys.
Drew Bledsoe will not be at the Kevin Hartrust.
Damn it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We just couldn't find a connection between him and Kevin.
So this is our new 29th game.
It's just behind Super Bowl 36 Patriots versus Rams and just ahead of the immaculate reception.
Oh, my God.
It feels a little hot.
Yes.
Top 30.
Greatest game in all time.
Take that.
It used to be our 1003rd game, just behind a week, a couple of week, regular season games.
So, oh, you can see it.
I mean, it's like wine.
Ages.
Ages like fine.
Wiles, baby.
Shout out your blitz.
I'm glad we were in front of the Dolph Ziegler, whatever the hell that one was.
We did that with Walter Hover.
Harbor title match.
It might have been our deepest cut we've ever done on the show.
That was a good one, though.
That was a good one.
That was O'Shea Jackson Jr.
Paul Walter Hauser.
Paul Walter Hauser.
Paul Walter Hauser.
Got out.
Shout out.
Jeff,
we miss anything from this roast?
You know what?
One of my other favorite moments was, was Kraft.
Making that he was funny.
Talking about his ring and Putin.
So we got to give Kraft some credit for coming out of his comfort zone.
And Rich Eisen introducing Kevin at the top.
Got to give him a shout out.
How about that?
Oh, Rich.
I really wanted Rich in there because my argument,
was if Rich was involved, the NFL
might not come for us.
They wouldn't want to embarrass Rich.
And Rich was a good sport.
He's been my friend a long time.
And him kicking it off,
instant football cred.
So smart.
And the Jets fan,
Perfecto would have been.
And the Jets fan defective.
A lot of dot connecting with you, man.
You're a smart guy.
Yeah, thank you.
Very smart.
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Real inside joke about his grandpa always talking about that.
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Jeff,
thank you so much for coming to do the show.
Guys.
You made me feel like a freaking rock star.
Thank you.
Get out of here.
I love breaking down the roast like this.
That was so fun.
That was fun.
Man.
It's crazy how long Jeff's been doing those roasts.
Oh, gee.
Those roasts.
Those roasts with the mostis, bro.
The roasts with the most.
The roast master general.
He earned that title.
He climbed the ranks.
I mean, it was so surreal to,
I remember watching those.
What were they on VH1 or MTV?
Comedy Central.
One of the Viacom.
One of the Viacom family.
And to be a.
part of it and be in it and
it was just, it was incredible
and it felt like it sparked comedy
back. How, like, Kevin
Hart killed it to open that thing. Well, they're
going to be roasting him in like seven days.
Seven days. Yeah. It'll be fucking
it's going to be incredible. I just, I
that's still like a pinch me mom. I know
it happened, but like getting to work with Jeff
on like, and help you guys.
And Jeff was such a like we, you know, we
talked about it. He was such a
huge part for me individually.
I'm an athlete. I don't
a talk in front of people. And this, that was, you know, talk about stepping outside of your comfort
zone. Oh my God. Which, you know, everyone hates doing. But some of the coolest shit I've ever done
I've had to step out. You body it, dude? No. All the best stuff is out of your comfort zone.
All the best stuff is out of your comfort zone. You know, I'm feeling a little uncomfortable right now.
I'm feeling thirsty. Why is that? I'm thirsty. Can I? Can I? I think it's time to rehydrate. Can you
toss me something over there.
We got you.
Oh.
This is the sugar-free cherry.
Oh.
That was my bad.
Guy is whipping these things.
Whipping liquid IV packets.
Let's go, baby.
Oh, blooper.
Oh, low bullet.
Let me complete one.
Come on.
I got to get my completion rate up.
Here we go.
Got it right in the pocket.
Let's go.
Ring two for five.
Not bad.
You know, drink up and lock in because it's time for everyone's favorite game.
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I mean, you'll need a liquid IV to get started.
That's right.
Come on.
I'm nervous already.
Let's go.
Guy got you kicking us off?
You can go.
All right.
Dules, what's worse?
A selfish star or a bad teammate?
who tries too hard.
Selfish star. Selfish star.
Yeah. Bad teammate that tries too hard,
you never get mad at a guy for trying to be in the system.
I was going to say, look at Rudy. Rudy Roodiger, baby.
You know, and honestly, there's been guys like that,
and sometimes guys would get mad, including myself,
but it puts a fire under your ass.
Yep.
You know, when your best players are a problem,
That's not a recipe for any good dish.
Woken like a true ball number.
So I would say a guy trying too hard.
No, I thought a selfish player's worse.
Oh, yeah, selfishness.
I rather have.
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Is the clutch gene real or something made up?
Clutch gene is a thousand percent real.
I think, I think there was studies in Russia and Germany that actually found an actual DNA.
Genetic.
No, I made that all right.
I was going to say, is that peer reviews?
Is that peer review?
I try to find the clutch.
Bro, the worst part is I was about to Google that study.
Drago gets it?
No, I, it is.
I think it has something to do with the ability to compartmentalize.
You know, compartmentalizing the situation of,
how big it is.
You know, guys that can really just like,
hey, man, we just did this situation all week in practice.
It doesn't matter that we're in front of millions across TV,
100,000 in person and playing against another opponent.
Like, you got to be able to manipulate your mind that it's still the same game.
So I think, I think it is a gene.
Tom has it too.
Believe that.
What is the biggest misconception,
fans have of the NFL.
That everyone's rich.
Facts.
You know, there's a lot of, I would say,
there's probably,
I would say probably 70%,
65% of the locker room
is scratching and gnawn for a spot,
renting their house with teammates,
trying to figure out if they're going to make the team
or if they're on the team,
they're on the practice squad,
guys that are trying to get their shot.
there's a lot of those guys.
You know, so, you know, not everyone's what we say, you know,
or what we think of when we write these shows, ballers, this, that,
you know, there's a lot of guys, not, I wouldn't say struggling,
but if you think about it, they've put all their eggs in one basket for athletics.
So, you know, if they make 200 grand being on practice squad for one year,
what do they have after when they don't make it?
They have $122,000 because they got taxed.
They're on that threshold, you know, and they're living.
It's just, it's, I think that people need to realize that not everyone's a baller.
There are certainly guys that make a boatload of money.
And even the lower class guys are making good money, but they're not rich.
The average career length of the NFL is three and a half years.
your rookie league minimum for rookie in 2026 is 885.
So if you say times three,
you've made $300 like $3 million.
But you spent your-
Times three?
Yeah.
So let's say your career is three years.
So it's 24.
So you're making $25.
After taxes,
that's $1.2.
Yes.
And then you put all of your training in your career
into that, the eggs in the basket.
That's only three years of your career.
What does that look like?
You know, where other people get in their college
degree you multiply it by 30 years of their career.
But each year they're gaining towards their human capital that they can use for their life.
You know, so, you know, it's one of those things where, yeah, the guys are, everyone's compensated
better than 99% of the world.
But not everyone's rich.
When you factor in length of career, it definitely changes it over the course of your entire, like,
working years.
There's ain't nobody making, I mean, there's only a handful of guys that go on making the same kind of money afterwards.
Yeah.
You know, we all know them.
When you get a second contract.
Huh?
When you get second contract, that's when you get to be.
Yeah, that's real money.
Then you start, like, taking the private jet to the games.
Like, most guys take their own, don't they?
No, that's another misconception.
The crazy thing is, not a lot of guys, not a lot of NFL guys, when I was playing, there was, like, you had, like, the top 15% were,
private jet guys.
Yeah.
You know,
you could jump on with them.
But the crazy thing is when you would...
15% feels high.
Not even, probably.
Not even, actually.
But,
you know,
you go in and we rented a plane once,
like five of us for a trip.
And you're talking to the plane people
and they're like,
it's so crazy,
you know,
you guys don't really fly that private
that as much as the other leagues.
You know,
you got no name guys.
baseball and basketball, fly private all the time.
I go, the little contracts are a lot different there, buddy.
And there's more players too.
He's trying to call you some broke boys. Come on.
What's more important? A great QB or a great coach?
Oh, I think they're intertwined.
I think all great coaches have great QBs.
All great QBs have great coaches.
It's kind of the same, right?
It's kind of the same.
You know, you need to have them both.
Speaking of airplanes, what's the most you've ever peed on an airplane?
I'm a peer.
Yeah.
I'll see a guy.
I'll see guy.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I do the Boston, L.A. all the time.
And I've gotten up because I, you know, being an athlete before you would travel on a game day,
you're drinking a lot of water because of the hydration factor.
You get dehydrated in the air pressure.
We would take liquid IVs all the time.
I don't know if they were around, but form of liquid IVs.
But the dehydration is so much that I overfill my body with water.
You know, overfill.
And I naturally drink a lot of water.
And if I'm not working the water through sweat out of my body, I have to pee.
So I've done six to Boston.
I've done a sixer.
Those aren't rookie numbers, folks.
That's a, yeah.
That's like every, that's like every.
it's like every it's like
twice an hour
damn near
now six is maybe a record
I've done I've done six
I've done more than six on that same plate
yeah I drink a ton of water too
and I also like the excuse to just get up
and move around yeah
same same same you'll stand in the bathroom for a minute
stare in the mirror
JetBlue has the pantry
you can go like snack of water on your own
or like get some pop chips I feel that
yeah not anymore
no more RFB pop chips
I've been flown Jet Blue in a minute
yeah
gone? Yeah, the pop chips are gone. Do they go cheese it? They went, they were
whole grain cheese it for a while. I like cheese it. Now they're
I think whole grain goldfish. Oh, all right. Plantain chips. Biscop. I like
this coffee. The Biscop. I like the Biscop. You only get it on the plane.
Only. Only on the plane.
Biskof and ginger ale baby. It's basically like a fancy gram cracker. Yes. Yeah. Do you
know you can get, I think it's called Speculous or Speculos where it's
the batter of Biscophe but in a jar like Nitella.
I have seen that.
It's so fucking good.
Whoa.
It's like a European thing.
Whoa.
I've seen that in like little ice cream shops.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh,
I'd like to get on that.
So six?
I've had quite a few.
I think I'm probably in the three to four range.
Yeah.
But I will say this is terrible for the body.
If I know I don't have an aisle seat, which is a rarity, got to go aisle.
You'll Scott Hanson it.
I'll scott hanson it.
Yeah.
Like I purposely don't drink much.
Eat an olive of four.
I'm too.
I'm too.
Can I.
You got it.
You just get a body. Get up, buddy.
I got to go T.T.
But what's the biggest mistake rookies make?
Honestly, you want to know why we pee so much
is because we don't have liquid IV in there.
The liquid IV is what retains the water in your body.
Keep your eye.
So that if you, that's the problem.
We're drinking too much water and it doesn't hold in.
That's, that's an actual truth.
We'll go on next.
No, that's good. That's a good note.
What's the biggest mistake rookies make?
I think it's a lot of the time is it's practice habits.
you know, great NFL teams know how to practice right.
Practicing right is like a thud tag off fast.
There's contact, but no one is ever on the ground.
And myself included as a rookie, you're in the middle of trying to make a team.
You're going hard all the times.
It leaves yourself, you go out of control sometimes and you fall on the ground.
You're leaving yourself vulnerable or hurting someone else.
you know, the best teams know how to practice right.
And I think that's one of the big adjustments
when you're a young football player
learning how to practice in the league.
You know, I remember vividly coaches just putting that on
the first two weeks of any kind of like OTA
or something where there's helmets, no pads,
or even when you get in the pads,
you know, there's example after example.
We can't be on the ground.
That's we're going to, someone's knees going to go out.
This is not how you practice.
It needs to, you know what I mean?
So practice habits.
That's big.
Okay.
Last one.
Jules, who was your favorite teammate to rib on or make fun of?
Ninkovich.
Amazing.
Easy.
I knew that was going to say.
It's so, so easy.
Niko.
What made him such a good target?
He just, he's funny.
And like,
I don't know.
I don't know why.
You need a little level of like being flustered by
to like make you antagonized to do more.
But he's a good sport too.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You can take it but it's a little bit flustered.
Yeah.
He's also, I feel like a guy that has like some
somewhat outlandish takes.
Super outlandish.
Like he stands by though.
Yeah. Super outland.
Like yeah right, Ninkovich.
Shut up.
I wish I could give some of the takes,
but I can't.
I can't because it would,
it would look bad on him.
that leaves you open to being a target, brother.
Fucking love them, though.
Take it. I love it. You got to love him. We love Niko.
Friend of the pod. Friend of the program.
Man, I'm tired after that and thirsty.
Oh, man. I need to get a little. Let's get a little IV here real quick.
Oh, man, I need that.
That ring pop hit.
That hit. Such a good flavor.
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