Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Josh McDaniels Best Patriots Stories

Episode Date: July 19, 2026

Josh McDaniels shares his best stories with the Patriots including coaching with Bill Belichick, developing Tom Brady, and his thoughts on QB Drake Maye.Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. But he's obviously got great size, really athletic. I don't know where he'll fit in the whole, like, you know, the style he'll play with. I'm interested to see how that develops. Like, is he going to be a little bit of a runner like Josh Allen was in Buffalo? I don't think he's quite as big as Josh is,

but, like, you know, guys like that have those kind of attributes, you can use them to run the football too. You know, and so I don't think we've seen all that yet in the preseason, but I'm interested to see when he plays if he becomes a little bit more of a dual-thread guy. Yeah. Or if he's just a pocket passer and a big tall, strong guy in the pocket. But the games I've seen, he's, you know, he's done a good job in.

You know, last night, you know, he played and he had that third and 14 on that first drive backed up, and he got that with his legs. Yep. Which, you know, was a cover five look, I think, two man or something. And he, you know, that was pretty cool to see. Yep. He's stepping up in the pocket, which is for a young guy, as you know, like, that's not always the easiest thing to get him to do. And I saw him multiple times last night move forward. The crunch. Yeah. On that crunch stock, You know, he stepped up. You know, there's a lot of times where a young quarterback

can't keep his eyes down field while he steps up. He takes off in one of those lanes. That's right. He delivered that football to Polk. It looked good. You know, he still needs to work his feet. He had too many throws where, you know,

he's like this and he's trying to do that. Yeah. You know, and he'll learn that. Hopefully he does, but that was his MO. His feet aren't. And I don't think he played from under center much. Yeah.

And you can tell, you know, when there's exchange issues, you know, usually that's just time on task. you know, and I doubt he didn't do that much in college from what I gather. So I think those are the kind of things that'll take some time for him to just acclimate because you can't be, you can't be thinking about how to get the ball from the center when you're dealing with backup center defenses and like where's the blitz coming from and what's my read and what coverage are they playing?

You can't be thinking about how to get the ball. That's a lot. I mean, Foxborough High, right? That's right, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's exactly right. One thing also pissed me off is the cleat thing.

He's wearing those slipper cleats. Oh, yeah. Like, dude, you're 2.30. You're 6'4. You can't be wearing DB 195 pound cleats. You break the foot with a guard get him and it just slipped off. It slipped off. I didn't like that.

That made me mad. You got to protect those things, especially your quarterback. You learn out of play with a heavy cleat. That's right. They always say you can't, you might as well start with Jacoby first because you can never pull the kid once you put them in. Yeah. You know, and so that's going to be.

be an interesting decision what they have going into week one. You know, and, you know, Gerard, he's a level-headed guy. He's very smart guy. Yep. And you listed all the characteristics he had. I mean, captain, this, that, he checks all the boxes. I'm excited for his opportunity. Next up, Josh McDaniels on developing Tom Brady with the Patriots. Developing young quarterbacks. Can you talk about that? You know, what's the process like? You were a huge part of help developing Tom Brady, right? That's when you first came in. 2000, 2001. You developed him and the other guys.

But developing a quarterback, what's that process like? And who also makes that decision? Is the head coach? Is the offensive coordinator? Is it, you know, the quarterback coach, or is it everyone's doing it their own? I think you have to have a plan. You know, and that obviously starts from the head coach, his perspective.

And you have to, you know, be able to agree on how you're going to kind of unveil that thing to the to the player and you know and ultimately bring him along you know you were a young player that needed to make progress every step of the way yeah and this is no different it's just there's so much notoriety and so much attention on the quarterback position so if they're not talking about your arm angle they're talking about your footwork if they're not talking about that they're talking about your eyes or your read or how you navigated the pocket and there's a lot of things that go into playing it well, but at the end of the day, I think you've got to take the player where he's at, you know, when he comes in, whether that was Castle or Garoppolo or Stidum or Brissette or Mac,

Aiden O'Connell. Like, you've got to take the player where he's at. They're all at different spots. They all have been taught different things. They've all, you know, digested different amounts of information. Some have played in different systems than yours. some have played and maybe some that were a little bit more like yours. And you just got to figure out, all right, what do they know?

And what do I, what am I going to try to, you know, push forward to get him to, to progress the quickest, you know? I think I can get this and this done in OTAs. Okay, great. Cadence, play calls, footwork. All right, good. And in training camp, you know, now I got to get him to see different coverages and understand defenses a little bit more. And protection. You know, protections.

you know, and then, you know, move forward, you know, ball security, and then the red zone's a different animal, and third down, and two-minute offense. So there's a lot of things that go into it, but I think it's just having a really good feel for, where's the player at? You know, you can't just keep throwing stuff at him. I always talk about it.

They have a bucket. You guys all had a bucket, and yours was a big bucket at the end. Like, you could handle whatever we gave you. Well, when you take a young quarterback, it's more like a cup, you know? you got to put some stuff in his cup. And when it gets to the top, you got to stop.

You know what I mean? And then make sure that he, you know, has this and he can do it well. And then, okay, so then when he's ready for more, then you get him a bigger cup. Yeah. And then hopefully he ends up with a bucket and you got a bunch of stuff in there that you can do well. But there's no shortcut. There's no shortcut to it. And I think knowing where the player's at is really important.

Yeah. Now, some, you know, a lot of people, been talking about, you know, the systems in the NFL. You got the West Coast system. Then you have like our system, the Charlie Weiss, Patriot system. And they say that the West Coast system is pretty much it protects the quarterback, the offense alignment help with the protections. Everyone, you know, everyone with the quarterback, you go where the ball is supposed to go. It's step system for the receivers. Is it harder to develop a quarterback? in our system, because that's what people are trying to say,

than it is in the West Coast system? I think it depends on the way you look at that. If the goal is just to restrict the volume of responsibility that you place on him right away, then it certainly could be. If at the end of the day, your goal is to have him understand how to handle all the problems and take care of those things that come up in the big games

in order for him to help you win them, then maybe it's worth it. That was always our mindset is basically what we're talking about here is who's going to do the stuff prior to the ball being snapped. All the quarterbacks have to do the same thing once the ball is in their hand. They got to understand what happened relative to the protection or the pressures.

They have to read the coverage. They have to identify. a guy that they think is open and make accurate throws and protect the ball. Like everybody does the same thing once the ball snap. Really what we're talking about is pre-snap responsibility. Pre-snap responsibility. That's it. And so I always looked at it like a mountain.

Like at the beginning, we're at the bottom. We're trying to climb it. And at the beginning, when you start talking to them about making the calls and setting the protections and dealing with the run game and all those things that we, you know, we taught our players how to do, you know, it's harder because it's foreign. It's not that they don't understand it. It's just different. Yeah.

And so at the beginning, they're at the bottom of the mountain. You look up and you're like, God, damn, that's a tall mountain. Yeah. You know, but I always felt like as we went through the first year, all right, you're getting up the mountain. You know it. I know it. We all know it. Yeah.

And then once you get to the top of the mountain, now there's nothing left to climb because you understand it. You understand how to manipulate the protection, how to solve your issues with blood zero and those kind of things. and just be able to do it at a high level. Yeah. You know, because I always thought like, okay, Tom, everybody knows Tom's won a lot. Well, Tom did it that way. Peyton did a lot, too.

You know, Peyton won a lot. He did it that way. You know, I know that Pat's some, you know, in some way, shape, or form able to handle some of those things as well. I just think having the quarterback never be responsible for any of that stuff, you know, there's some downside to it.

You know, other people might argue that that's not the case, but I would say that, you know, there's pros and cons to both. You know, I love the, I love the idea of having the quarterback able to understand it all. Yeah. I really do. I mean, I do too. That's the quarterback. It's why he gets paid all the goddamn money.

You know, fuck. $65 million nowadays. Yeah. Now, going back to, you know, the buckets and the cups. Yeah. When you were developing Tim Tebow, did you know that in that cup were like $1,500? circumcisions. Like, was that part of that? Was that part of like, was that in the scouting?

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All right. The question was how big was Tim Tebow's cup was where we wanted to ask. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. It's a holy water grail. No, no, no. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it.

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After we scored that touchdown, I remember that's when you came up to me. I did. I said, do you need any lead time for the double pass? And you said, what? And I said, do I have to tell you that it's coming? Meaning like, do you need to take your red gloves off or whatever, you know, your cutters or whatever they are? Like, what do you need to tell you that this is coming?

Like, fuck no. Five minutes in advance. You're like, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you said. Just throw it. Just call it whenever you want. I'm like, okay.

You know, so we, so we did. Yeah, that was the, the first touchdown was the one we actually did the Raven, Baltimore formation the first time. First time. We were down by 14. And then when we scored one, that's when we went with the double pass. The double pass. Speaking of double pass. Which we had actually called earlier in the season.

Against the Chiefs. Against the Chiefs. That's right. We just didn't throw it over there. We called it. And, you know. It was Dolah going to. throw it, wasn't it? Was it you or Dolah?

I don't remember. I watched this morning. It was going to be you. Okay. But Dolah was like saying he was made and made coverage. Like we couldn't do it. Dolores trying to call you off when you were in motion. Can we go into the second time I threw the football? Oh, 2019 in Philly? Yeah, we can do that. That was a great story.

So, Jules is told his side. I'm told my side plenty. I'd love to hear your side. I don't know if my memory's really fucked up. No, you got to. the night before the game. Yeah. This is the story. Yeah.

So we, well, this wasn't the same play. No, it was a different play. Throw it here, throw it back. It's set up the catch and run. And in the, we always did like a little ballroom, which always felt like you guys loved that. I loved it. Just to reiterate. It was almost like a very comforting feeling when you walked out of there.

Like, we all, we all got it. Yeah, we all got it. And it was loose. Yeah. And so. But it wasn't always loose. depending on like the games sometimes we go in there running hard and so no but that was that was but but i don't think we ever went in there like it wasn't like a big like it wasn't like a big like teaching

session at all it was i was i would call the play you guys would get on you would do it and walk through it and that was it but if you had like a new player coming in that had a big role that was different you know like if he was nervous and we were all kind of watching them too as well and julian julian well i'll tell me to sell two stores quickly. When he came back in 2018, 18, 18. Okay. So the walkthrough, because we played on a Thursday night,

so we didn't have practice. We didn't have any practice that week because it's just walkthroughs. I had no live. He does the hotel like walkthrough and he's soaked. Because he's like running routes in the ballroom.

But Tom's with me throwing him. Nobody else, and Tom always had like a little lacrosse ball and he would bounce it to you to like show you. And Julian is literally like, you could see everything. Like he was just drenched. And I remember the other guys were like looking at him like, what is going on with this guy? I'm like, yeah, he's a little, he's obsessive compulsive right now. I think he needs to play a game is what he needs to do. I need to play a game.

Oh my gosh. He dialed up a wheel for you on the first position. Hey, walk through like you play, baby. So, so anyway, the Philly. So the Philly game was the second throw. That night in the hotel, the night before the game, we walked through it. Tom dribble, bounces the ball to Julian.

Julian gets the ball, and then he looks, he looks, and throws it to Phil. Phil's just wandering up the field, trying to get at the defense to come this way. And Philly catches it, and I look at him, and I'm like, don't you fucking do that? Just throw the ball over there. Just throw the ball over there.

for the ball. And I think we actually did it again. Just so he, so he would like do it right. You know what I mean? And then we get in the game and he gets the ball and he looks down the field and Philly's open. And then he lets it go and I'm just like, and then he caught it. And I'm like, I don't know. Those are the ones as coaches where you're just like, that's a hell of a play. The thing is, if I would have flipped my hips guy, I was in my face.

I would have got, you got drilled. I got drilled. He got drilled. I come running off. When I come running off, you go, you're fucking dangerous, man. You are dangerous. I did it. You're dangerous. But that was all. I remember,

because you were the only one that threw a touchdown pass that game. Oh, yeah. So I remember, like, like, and then he would come in

the next day and he would put ice. He would have a shoulder wrapped in ice in the teaming room and he would sit in the front, you know, by, but like,

yeah, I got to, you know, I'd always come in like the last person to come in too. Always. And Brady would just be like.

I'm like, coach, you got the door, don't worry. Jim, you got that ice. Take care of that. Sometimes the trainees staff called me

I see in front of everyone. Looking like you just threw a complete game shut out. Yeah, literally. Like it's Randy Johnson after a nine inning. Oh, my, I will say, that pass, the your dangerous Maverick moment in Philly, put jewels at five of six, 141 yards, and two TDs as a passer.

There you go. What's his reading? Had to be exceptional. Had to be amazing. Yeah, we had the one in the Super Bowl to Dion. Oh, man. He was, close to it. He almost made that. He almost made

that catch. I shouldn't have thrown it. That was nuts. What you mean? Was he open? Yeah. He got him. He was like just by him. The guy did a good job of peeling on it. Yeah. But the rest of the defense was over there. That game was a blur. 158.3.

That's perfect. Is that perfect? That's perfect. Someone said that's pretty good. Not too shabby, bro. Someone said. The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you threw the double pass and scored. I've never heard that That stadium has been loud a number of times in our lives. Yeah. That was the loudest noise that I personally had heard, like, because it was almost like, you know, like, we came back once.

Now we're down two tests. And so they're like, oh, no, not again. Then we come back again. And to do it that way with you hitting, Dan, I mean, that was as noisy as I think I could ever remember. That was a fun, that was a fun play. But it wasn't over. So, before we do that, we let, we have players on. We like to walk through like a specific moment, generally from the big game.

We've heard Jules' perspective. We've heard Danny and Madole's perspective of that play. I love to hear your like beat-by-beat perspective of that double-pass play. So down seven, then they punted, got the ball back. I remember it was ready and I had already checked with Bill. You know, like we're good. He goes whenever, you know, whatever. you want to do it. I'm good. And, you know, because I always felt like whenever you're running

something, it's a little bit screwy. Yeah. You know, just, you better check with your big boss and make sure that you're, you're not doing it. He doesn't want you to, like, fake puns. And, you know, so he was, he already signed off whenever you want to do it. And I just didn't feel right about doing it, not like, I wanted to get a first down and then do it. Yeah. I didn't want to do it like the first play of the drive. I didn't want to do it on second and eight, like after the first play of the drive. I wanted to like, can we get a first down? And then once we get the first down, let's try it. You know what I mean? And so we did. We got a first down. And then I think it was right around midfield. And it was kind of the right time to do it. And Dean acquiesced. He brought the star

blitz off the side that we threw the ball to. He gave us, we didn't know we were going to get that, but it made the play better because we only had one guy out there that we needed to block. And it wasn't two. And so was that gronk out there? I think it was gronk out there. And then Danny did a good job of hesitating and going by. But, you know, after I asked him if he needed any lead time, he said no. Bill had already, you know, signed off on the whole thing.

And I just really wanted to get a first down. So it wasn't so like almost like desperate. Like we got to try this right off the bat. You know what I mean? It would be kind of. No, thirsty. Yeah, get a little, get a little bit of a momentum going in the drive and then give ourselves a chance to see if we could hit it.

And it was perfect because it was on our sideline. I love doing those things when they're on your sideline. So when you're seeing, when I'm going over emotion, what's going through your mind? It's not man. And then when I saw the guy start to creep in and he was going to blitz, I'm like, I don't know. We couldn't have drawn up a better, like, them playing. a better defense for the play.

It was really just going to matter whether the corner bit it or he didn't. And, you know, Danny did a good job of bluffing it and then went by. You mentioned, you know, when I do a play like that after first down and doing it on your own sideline, these little details, is that, like, to factor him with your play calling,

is that innate? Is that something with reps? Like, where do you pick up those little details when it comes into your craft of play calling? I think it's just probably experience, you know, I don't like, I think when you're coming off the sideline and like the defense is kind of ready for almost anything, you know, like, I don't think that's a great time to like spring your craziest play on them all the time. I think it's almost like you run a play, you run a second play. Oh, you got a first down. So they're kind of like, all right, they're just driving the ball. They're just trying to do the same stuff they've been doing, you know, throwing the ball here, dink and dunk, which is what I wanted them to be thinking. And they got. so we get a first down and we're into a drive. The defensive coordinator, he knows we're not going fast. He's into his drive now, you know what I mean?

Meaning. Meaning, Dean's, you know, you kind of get into a rhythm of the drive itself. Each drive is different. And so we first down play, huddle, second down play, first down, go back to the huddle. You know what I mean? So now Dean's in his rhythm too. And so, again, it just, I thought that was a better way to do it, honestly, than go out there and be desperate and try to hurry up and get to it.

And, you know, people don't realize these, you know, I don't know how it's in other places, but there's a department that studies and gives everyone around the league what they're doing to our coaches and they look at it. These guys study it so that, you know, you could always see when it's the best opportunity. he's probably seen this situation go down may not be this specific trick play but a different trick play

that a team off of a big play makes another big play feels desperate. So these guys, they're always watching the game. And that's how they get their experience not only through coaching it, but watching other coaches. The great coaches will use their experiences

and implicate it into their own. And I've made, I've called enough plays and made enough mistakes when I was younger, you know, to like, all right, well, that sucked. You know what I mean? Like that totally wasn't the right time to do that, you know, and you just, I think, learning through your failings as you're going is a helpful thing. So you have a little bit of wisdom, you know, after you've put enough pelts on the wall. You know, where now you kind of know, like, I remember not to do that because of this game,

and I tried it and it backfired, you know. And the other thing I would say about this is, and you would attest to this, we practiced those things and we didn't act like they were like so special that it was like impossible for us to succeed at them. I treated those things like almost like a play action pass. Yeah. Like a flea flicker or a double. Like if you rep it enough, what's the difference? Like other than the ball handling and like. But I trusted you enough and we'd rep it enough where I was like, I didn't call it.

and go like this. Yeah. Like, what's going to happen? I called it going, as long as the defense is going to give it to us, I've seen us execute this many times. Look at it.

He's got this smile like, yeah, tell him how many times I hit it in practice. I think I overthrew him three or four times. Shitty in practice. You wear her gloves too, right? Yeah,

because you always shits on quarterbacks when they wear their gloves. Yeah, but I'm not going to take my glove off. Well, that's why that's the thing is you take it off. Then these guys are Baltimore. or might have been perceptive enough to go.

100% here. He took his fucking glove on. This guy Michael Jackson. Next, Josh McDaniels details what it's like coaching under Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. You coached at Michigan State. You got just for one year. For one year with Sabin. Was that part of?

Right after I graduated. Yeah. From Carroll. And so did you think Nick gave you a recommendation of Bill? Sure. I don't, I mean, I can't. Yeah. Brian, so Brian was a second year GA.

I was a first year of GA. So he was a year older than me. Brian. Dayball. So when I got there, Brian was already in his second year. And so I was in my first year. So that was a huge experience for me. Because coming to New England with Bill, after being with Nick,

it didn't seem like such a, like a, oh my gosh. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I'd already like, all right, I know what this is like, you know, after having been with Nick. What are the similarities and differences? Nick is, Nick is not afraid to really detail it out.

You know what I mean? Like there would be like a cover one tip sheet for the DBs that was like this thick. That's just cover one defense. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, holy cow. You know, if we do this, do this, you know,

got this, you know. And he believed in preparation, preparation, preparation, preparation. It was relentless in that regard. Bill was very much the same, but less like he would try to simplify, I thought, you know, as much as he could, you know. And we might play cover one, but he's not going to overwhelm you with, you know, too much detail. But I mean, honestly, their personalities are a little different. Everybody thinks Bill is what you see in the media. And as you know, it's not like that, you know.

so it was fun. It was great for me to have a chance to be with Nick before going to Bill. Baptize you into it. No doubt. Yeah. We all forget. Anakin was a Jedi first.

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