Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Kyle Van Noy on his TWO TOUCHDOWN Game | 2012 Poinsettia Bowl | BYU vs. SDSU

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Kyle Van Noy is in studio! Our friend and former teammate is here to relive one of the greatest individual performances in bowl game history, The 2012 Poinsettia Bowl between BYU and San Diego State. We're also talking Patriots days, BYU Mt. Rushmore, and a whole lot more.  (0:00) We kick things off. (1:11) Kyle joins us on the couch. (1:00:12) We go back to 2012. (1:17:11) We break down these teams. (1:26:18) We dive into the game. (1:43:25) We score it. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Old Mountain West foes face off in a game named after a flower. But Kyle Van Nuoy was the one deserving a boke. This is the 2012 point seven bowl. Welcome to games with names. I'm Julian. They're Jack and Kyler, and we're on a mission to finding the greatest game of all time.

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And if you haven't already, drop a like and a subscribe to Games with Names. Let's go! Games with Names! is a production of iHeart radio what what i'm excited to see you i haven't seen you in five years it's kind of like you're an adult now am i an adult yeah what do you mean i was an adult when you know you weren't no the hell you weren't we could call anyone from the training room and ask him if you were an adult and i guarantee you they'd be like no what do you mean you know what i mean

you should you should do that by the way you got rub down twice a day Yeah. Every day. That's a professional taking care of your body. What did Bill preach the most? Now the question. What would Bill preach the most? Now the question is,

nothing is more important than the health of this football team. And I took that to heart. Did you tip them at the end of the year? Did you get them anything? Always. So I could call the Dolan brothers who. I used to pay Dolans. You did.

Are you sure? Oh. It's a team. We can call them. It's on the team. Oh, you just wrote it on the, like, the team sheet? Okay. I give like 10 grand every year or whatever.

You didn't like specify who it went to. It just went to everyone. No, actually I would. And then I would tip my ball boys. Yeah, you better. They were there every day with the jugs. Every day. No, no jugs.

No jugs. The ball. The tennis ball. Excuse me. Yeah, I remember that. I liked, and then I always have like a trainer combine to see who could throw because I used to have double jays. You weren't around with double jays.

He's the one who got ax. axed. Yeah. And then we had Bobby Balls and then we had Jimmy Neutron. So I always had to find the guy that could throw because I liked throwing. I liked catching a guy that could throw the ball because it's not as predictable. Did you ever have, what's the dude's name that took over in the equipment staff? He's no longer there. New. New, yeah. New couldn't throw. But he would do tennis balls for me every once in a while early when I was in that stage of finding someone after double J's. New tried. He had a great attitude, great effort. But some guys just can't throw. Yeah. He was too stressed out for everything else. My guy. I love, yeah. I mean, I remember New was there since he was like

13. Oh, wow. Like, and you know his grandpa was Murph. The old, the old guy. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's awesome. So we had two old guys that would clean up after us. Like they were like the janitors, like straight, like Irish old Boston guy. There's one guy named Murph. and there was one guy named George. And they didn't like each other. And they were like 85 years old. There was like four times where we had to like, Randy would have to,

Randy Moss broke them up from fighting once. And like these guys are like old like sailors and shit. I mean, it was fucking crazy. You weren't around with George's left by then, but you remember Murph. I got there the year, whoever the guy made the mistake of like with the ball. I got there right after

2016 when Tom was gone for the first four games and then I was traded that year, like week five or whatever it was. Yeah. Let's get into that way to. Let's start this podcast. We'll get into that. We'll get into that. All right. Welcome to games with names. Today we are looking at the 2012 point-settable BYU versus San Diego State with Kyle Van Noy. in one sentence, Kai, why this game? This is the game that put me on the map, Jules.

This is where it was like, I'm, I'm ready. I'm him. Himmy. Himmethy. You're Himmethy. Himithy Shalomey? Yes, sir. Hey, he's crushing, by the way.

He is. Are you a ballet guy? I do. Oh, you're in L.A. now, so you better be careful. No, I love, well, ballet for a receiver. Is this the greatest game of all time? Yes, my greatest game of all time. Well, all right, perfect.

I can't wait to get into it. But back to the ballet. Okay. When I was a young football player, there was like lore that Jerry Rice used to do ballet for his flexibility and his route running. And so, and then I've, over my years, I've met a lot of ballerina,

like ballet people and shit. And I know a couple ballerinas. And like, my respect for, their athleticism and like their foot dexterity and their ankle and their feet strength because I had four feet surgeries. I always consulted with ballerinas because I wanted to strengthen my feet. Remember I had feet problem? So like I've always been die hard with the ballerina community.

Let's go. Name a ballerina. We're not going to go down. We're not going to go down that road. So how are we doing, bro? Doing bless, man. I'm doing good. I think it's been what, five years since I've seen you four?

Four or five years. It's been, since we probably played against each other. Yeah. I mean, you're an A-list celebrity now. Yeah. We got a good podcast here in the Dut House.

All right, Bubbs? You're doing good, man. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. Yeah. You know,

I'm so proud of you because, you know, we were talking earlier when you came in, you were in like your third year in league, kind of in like a crossroads of your career. getting traded to the Patriots. And then I remember, you know, I've been on TV now for four years, five years,

and just talking about you and seeing, you know, you play the game that you've always played with your versatility, your mind, being in the right spot at the right time, being a good teammate, covering for other guys when they're out of position, which got to go down and watch the same shit when we watched this 2012 point Settable. it's been fun to watch you, man.

And you're still in it. And I have so much respect. 35 free age you right now looking to play again. Yeah. Let's get it. One more. One more. Yeah, I need it.

Last year didn't go how I wanted. But thank you. Introduction. Awesome. When I had the, when I was coming here, it was like flashbacks of all the stories that I have with you. One comes to mind that I've never,

I don't think I've ever talked about it. you probably remember it or you don't because you know you can be forgetful sometimes but it was it was i just got on the team it had been like three weeks probably since i've been on the team i still don't know everybody's name you know i don't know the inner workings like you know who you know i i was still laid back chill didn't really come out of my show yet and i'm covering james white because during seven on seven remember it was either a zone day or a man to man day. And then it would go into practice.

And practice was like a man to man day. And Jules, I know he'll probably deny this, but he did it on purpose. I had James White man to man and I wasn't looking. And this dude comes and clocks me, cheap shots me. Bro, bro. Right. Straight bow. Like, like, I couldn't.

I was one of those where I like didn't see you. And it was like, when you're on the ground. Everyone's like. Was that your first? first day there. It was, it had to be like the first week. It was the first week. We're weak or two. And I had a shallow cross. Hold on. Let me finish. Let me finish. And I'm like, the trainers come over and they're like, I'm like, they're like, how are you doing? You know, the sound like you're trying, I'm trying to breathe. And so I got lift my ass up and go on the sideline. And I'm like, who the, who the fuck was that, you know? And everybody's like pointing at jewels and jewels just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, well, I can't do anything to jewels because it was like if I'm touching a golden child, you know, right in the first week or two, you know, that isn't going to go well.

But I never got you back. And so when we played you in 2020, it was all I could think about when I was on Miami. But during the game, I was like, I got to get jewels back. because I broke my hand like a week before we played you and I didn't even care. I was like, I need to get jewels back to get back and I never did. And I'm still like pissed off about it that I never got you. And you know what? Who else is Steve Billichick, who's now the D.C. at North Carolina.

I know everybody probably knows that, but just want to make reference. He called me in the last year in the summertime. time. He was with Jamie Collins because they're coaching together. And he reminded me of this play. You know, Kyle, that was just a little baptism of the Patriot Way. Oh, well, yeah. Okay. That is actual part of the route design. If I have the shallow cross and I am one yard to the line of scrimmage, I am allowed to pick you. You weren't. And that was what exactly what I was doing because what is practice execution? become.

Here he goes. It becomes game reality. That stupid-ass yellow shirt you always wore too. I'm just saying, you know, Kent State, a guy like you who came from BYU would understand why I wore that and the representation of that yellow shirt. The representation of that yellow shirt was the chip on my shoulder to allow guys from Alabama, from Florida, from Florida State, from Rutgers. That you guys could go wherever you want.

on. I went to Kest State and I'm at that same fucking level. Talk to him. How you doing? I'm good. But here's the rebuttal to that. I want to say you tried to do that on purpose because I've been waiting to get all these stories out

because there's one that comes. I can't wait until he comes on your pod. I don't think he's been on yet. Stefan Gilmore. Yep. I've been waiting to tell this story. One of my favorites. Jules was pissed. I don't care what he says. He can try to say whatever. He was pissed that there was

another golden child that Bill loved, but it was on defense paid Steph a shit ton of money. Well deserve. He was the best corner in the game at that time. Well deserve. But I know Jules was trying to get a little contract extension in there and was a little mad about it. So it was during OTAs and Jules trying to show him the Patriot way, I guess. all of a sudden, it's, it's quiet, but then all of a sudden, no one's saying anything. You just hear, it's jewels and Steph in the corner throwing each other, like left and right, throwing haymakers at each other because they were getting a little fight. I don't know who won.

It was a first day of pads. It was it? It was a first day of pads, one of ones. I don't know who won, but I took a dread out. You did? I got a dread. You don't remember I taped it? I don't, no, no, no, I didn't.

That's hilarious you did that. But it just made me laugh because it was jewels. Yeah, right here. I mean, if you look at that photo, who do you think had the upper hand? Well, no one. I'm just saying. No one, but what I respect about this fight, Jules, is no one from either side jumped in. It was like mono e mono.

And I love that. And see, at the end, you know, they guys coming in late. but everybody was so tired already. Nobody had time to run. There's your boy new in there. Who can't throw? Shout out new. Yeah.

But that was a great. I thought it was evenly matched. I thought it was a good fight. I don't know who won, but. I mean, from the looks of it. Oh, of course you're going to say,

I mean, yeah. We don't have video evidence. I think we do. I think there is practice video evidence. But I am excited to hear step side of the story to this whenever it gets told. I know exactly.

So we're playing one on, we're doing one on. one's in the red area. From your point of view, might be a little biased. And we got two routes. This guy's playing three yards outside. He knows that I'm in the slot

that I got to run the goddamn flag route. So he's sitting there grabbing on the shoulder first day. We all know this is first day of pads with Gilly when he was in Buffalo holding all day long getting routed up on the post corner at least twice here for like two, three years. We come over a little, you know,

maybe there's a little, something built up. And, you know, I had to let them know this how we practice. But did he put the straps on you? Okay. Well, shout out to Gilly. He just retired. I'll give him that.

He just retired to. Shout out, what a hell of a career. We had Brandon Boulder on the show, and he speculated that Jules sometimes would fight on purpose to get a break from practice. Yeah. Did you get kicked out of this? Yes.

Yeah, you both did. Yeah, smart. You probably retired already. We both go and I think we were in the locker. And we're just sitting there in our lockers. Me mugging each other. No, no, no. I think it was like, you good?

He's like, yeah, I'm good. I'm like, all right. It was just like, it was over. He's all all done. Nice. That's funny. Man. So, uh,

explain to us how it was getting traded from Detroit at that time was Detroit that we all remember. Yeah. It wasn't the Detroit of today where they're, you know, a pretty good organization. Explain to us how, was going from Detroit to you come to our team. We're one of the hottest teams in the league

at that time. It was going from like rags to riches. Rags to riches. It really was for me. From a place where, you know, a coach, I'll never forget it. I had my position coach tell me to my face for the two years that I was there. I think you're a really good football player. Like I think you're going to be really successful in this league. I just don't think that. know where to put you. And I was like, damn, like you drafted me second round pick. You got me looking out like I'm a slap dick player. Like, you know, I personally lost confidence, I would say, and myself during that time. It was kind of a depressing situation for me just because, you know, you put so much effort and energy, had a great successful college career. Then you get drafted to a place

where, you know, they were growing with Jim Caldwell, who, you know, I still feel like they did dirty in the NFL. He went to the playoffs two out of his three years and got fired and never got a chance again. I think that's crazy, but that's how it works. And he really loved me because they drafted my teammate the year before Ziggy Ansah. He went top three pick. I think he went two overall. And they all, and the GM, Martin Mayhew, who I believe works for the commanders, I still text them every year, like, appreciate you, always picking of me. And he's, you know, we still have a good relationship, which is awesome. And he watched so much film on Ziggy that I kept coming up on the film. So he kind of fell in love with me the year before. And he said,

if I ever got a chance, like, I'm going to pick you. Well, fast forward. We were supposed to go to a three, four defense because they traded for Helodi Nata. So it was going to be me on one side, Ziggy on one side, rushing, and Helodi in the middle. And then everything else was going to figure out. Well, they were super successful in year one. We went to the playoffs, ended up losing to the bullshit call down in Dallas with the face guarding. We were up 17.0 came back and beat us. That sucked.

But it was a great opportunity because it got to play a little bit. bit in that game. And so it was just a rough injuries, you know, a coach telling me, we don't know where to put you. They didn't know where to put me at inside linebacker who I was behind Steven Tolik, who played 10 years in the league, very successful in DeAndre Levy, all pro, beard man, awesome football player. And then rushing wise, I was behind Ziggy, Jonathan Jones, and a couple other guys on the edge and just never worked out for me and then getting traded,

I was like, I was actually pissed because I was finally starting off the ball and I was playing good. I felt like I was trending upward and to the point where I was playing good enough to get traded. And Bill, you know, it was crazy.

I got traded, ended up flying in late that night, 12, had to get up at 5, of course the first person in the building was tom you know the the famous story i've told all the time is you know both took a piss and we're like washing our hands not saying anything because it's like 5 30 in the morning you're not trying to talk to nobody yet and you know after it gets done obviously you know washes hands wipes hands on the towels or whatever and then you know hi my name is tom brady and i'm like yeah no shit like we all know who you are but like it grew my respect for him

just because it was like, wow, this dude took his time out of his day in the morning where it's quiet. No one's around to introduce himself to me. Like, hey, just showing you his character and who he is as a person. It meant a lot to me. And then I didn't talk to Bill until practice. Like I got thrown right into Brian Flores's meeting. I had to meet with him early to get the defense because. It was like a Wednesday practice.

Like I got thrown into the wolves. Like I had been there because it was a machine at that point. Like it was like you're coming on to the ride. And then when I started to figure out, everybody was like, why did we just trade for this dude, you know? And then that week, Jamie Collins gets traded and everybody's like hated me

because everybody was boys with Jamie Collins. I still tell this, you know, dev all them, you know, those are like brothers now but they were all pissed at me hi didn't talk to anyone for like two weeks high towered because everybody was all you know this dude got our boy traded in all reality they had a pick you know they traded chanler jones

they had to trade jamey and then they ended up uh giving money to hi he was a franchise so you had to make a decision at that time the cap wasn't what it is now where you have houston who just gave two edges you know 30% of their cap So that wasn't happening during that time. So everybody hated me. Like this dude got her boy traded. And I was like, I don't care.

Like I don't know anybody. Who cares? Like it's a brand new fresh start for me. And the first practice went actually really well. But it's funny. The first practice, they throw me out there. And of course, it was seven on seven man drill. And it was like a setup because they wanted to see if I wanted to,

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Brady throws a bullet. And I'm like, I'm there, whatever. And I was like, this dude, like, gives me a nod. Like, yeah, I was like, oh, so this morning was a second. up. Like you just introduced yourself so you could pick on me later. So I was like, fuck you then. Man. But that was like my first practice and I still haven't talking to Bill. And it wasn't until like halfway through the practice, they do like the special teams in the middle of the practice. And it was punt. And he was all Van Nuoy come over here and I ran over there like a slap dick to him. And I was like,

hey coach you know how you doing and he was like hey bro like you know i always get my guys and was spinning his whistle and when he said that he didn't know what i was going through didn't know what i just went through so to have a coach who's the greatest defensive coach greatest coach ever to say that to you the confidence that gave me was like oh i'm i'm ready i got this um this dude already believes in me doesn't know me, you know, just knows me from college tape and all that. And after practice, you do the, what is it? With the, yeah, basic. Yeah, basic. There we go. Basic. Basic. And it was against Jimmy G. And I had a pick. And, you know, I picked off Jimmy and threw it back to him. And they were like, oh, he's got some shit to him. And so I was kind of

like my welcome to the Patriots moment. And then another one came from Chul's with in the same week. I think it was that day. Yeah. And because I remember Bill getting mad because he was probably trying to evaluate see what you could do going into that week's game. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That's what he would always do when he traded for a player. Like I remember when we traded for a Keeb, like I'd have to stay after and run routes against a Keeb because A, they were trying to get him in shape. B, they were trying to see what he could do. Yeah. You know, so like it was always that kind of shit. But who was like the guy you latched on? Who was one of the first dudes to like welcome you in?

to like you you boyed up with. That's a great question. I don't think it. It was brother slate. Yeah. Well, it eventually came to brother slate. I think everybody does, right? That's like the chaplain.

That was the chaplain, the team therapist, the coach. He was everything all in one. Love Slate. I think it was Hightower. And I say that to say because I didn't want to disappoint him. because of the situation that happened with his brother tweet with Jamie Collins. And I just didn't want to be the problem. Like, hey, like, you know, I want to learn the defense as fast as possible.

So I don't have to lean on you. Don't have to talk to you. I can line up. You can line up and we can just play and feed off each other. And so I think it was during that time where we became. close was we were playing video games and we ended up four night shout out fortnight yeah so fortnight time yeah it was and that's when we just became really close and we played fortnight all the time and i think that's why our communication became elite it was like i didn't have to think what he was doing

he didn't have to think what i was doing because we already knew it was like we had a built-in chemistry that just happened really quick and then it just took off from there for the four years that we were together. Yeah, you guys probably, you know, Paradise Valley, drop in. Tilted towers. Yeah, we were tilted towers, bro. You guys, I know there's corner. You guys are clear corners together.

You guys are going to be better on the field. Yeah. So what was High like in the room? Quiet. Quiet. Yeah, he was quiet. He wasn't a morning person. Neither was I.

High was, I think he was just built to play football. If there is a, when I think of a football player who, like, I don't think I that, I think later in his career, he started like working out more, but like being able to just show up and just the injuries he had over his career to show up and just play football and play smash mouth football. Because at that time, we played even front. So it was two, three texts from tackles and then wide nines. And then me and him would take turns on playing. nose guard. But I was like, hey, like, you know, I'll cover the running back of you. If you smash the center. So it was just like we called a ball and chain. And he would just torpedo his ass in there and blow shit up. And oh my gosh. Nine on seven drills used to be

yeah. Nine on seven. Especially when you guys were young. Oh, the, um, I always talk about the half half line. Half line. Oh my gosh. Because you're playing the studs versus studs. Shack. And, Tooney. Those are the guards I had to go to. Talk to us how good tuning is because I mean this guy wherever he goes he wins. Hall of Famer. I think he's he's like the most

underrated O-Lyman probably of this generation. I mean he's the most successful one. Everywhere he goes he turns that O-line into a top 10 O-Line. What makes him so good? I think it's

being technically sound I think it's obviously being smart. He's not overly physical, but it's just his technique is so good. Smart and very smart. His past pro, he's strong. He's strong. And then he's so smart that he can help other people

where like, like, hey, hey, you take them, you take them during the play and then pop out to a tackle that might be losing and then nick them just in time to get the ball out. I just think there's stuff that he does that goes unnoticed, obviously a lot of the O-Lyman and the league go unnoticed, but he does the little intricacy things of being an O-Lyman,

so elite to where, like, you got to have him on your O-line. Yeah, he's a monster. And he can play any position. Any position. Literally. He got let out to dry in that Kansas City game playing left tackle. I mean, we did it to him too, though, in New England. He played left tackle for us for a couple.

Yeah. But when you get him paid that much money, hey. And you're playing in important games every game of your career. Yeah. That's the cool thing. I mean, he got four Super Bowls. He's got four Super Bowls. And he's on the buildup with Chicago.

Yeah. And they look pretty solid. Yeah. Now, you got to play with two pretty cool defensive coaches, B-Flow, Maddie P. Give me something about these two. Hmm. Totally different. 1,000%.

Like totally different mindset. Maddie P. Awesome, what he's doing with Ohio State. I mean, it's good to see him get back, get back to what he's doing, which is being that scientist in the lab that he can be. Do you think Sunny Stiles is going to be, I think he's going to be good because he had Maddie P. And if he can. All of them.

Reese. Yeah. I think Reese is the one, though, out of all of them, just because. The safety? No, he's the outside. Yeah. Yeah. Downs.

Yeah. Downs is good too. And I think Downs is good because he can play multiple positions, kind of like what the safety is going with the Derwin. I don't think he's athletic is like maybe he is. I haven't watched enough film on him. But you have the Derwin James, the Kyle Hamilton, the Eman Worry types that are coming into the league that are playing like safety linebacker. It's like a rover position. That's what Sonny Stiles kind of is because he was a former safety, six foot four. Yeah. You know, He can run.

He can run. Yeah. But they all have to be better football players, I think, just because Maddie P threw in complex things, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, no. I think that's what makes Maddie P. so special in his defense is so special is because the complex, the, I don't even want,

I don't even know how to say the word, but multiplicity of things. I don't know if that's a word. The simple complexity. Yeah, we're over here trying to act smart. Yeah, we're acting smart. But anyways, you could run cover one in five different ways. And what I loved about being in New England is Bill and Maddie P would give you the reins to call it. Like I was able to have the trust.

And it was awesome because I was able to have it so fast to the point where we had to switch calls because, you know, I can talk a little slow sometimes. and so I couldn't get one of it was diamond red one rat double or something like that and I couldn't say it fast at that time because I was new it was confusing I think there was more to that fucking one rat you got to somewhere in the middle of field dublins we're doubling your ass in the red zone anyways um what was funny about it is like they dev you know being the OG kind of the dick in the back would be like man get somebody else with the green dot he can't even talk, you know. Dev's such an asshole.

Jason's so nice. I don't know how they're twins. What's funny is like Maddie P was like we'll just call it BYU. So I wonder if they're calling at Ohio State BYU.Y. And then I struggle with another one. So they called it Reno because I'm from

Reno. So we had two play calls BYU and Reno. So I hope he kept that in there for me. But that's that's a good coach right there adjusting to the player. getting the best out of the player to make him play his fastest. Now, the flow comes in.

How's he different? Aggressive, blitzing. He blitzed. Dr. Blitz. The house. I want to say he created like this. Obviously, everyone ran cover zero, but it's just that. Everyone with the line of scrimmage?

Yeah, everyone at the line of scrimmage. You know where that came from? Who did it come from? Rex Ryan used to do that a bunch when we used to play him. And then we started doing it, like, few years later. And I'm sure it was before that. But for me, I remember Rex and we used to

struggle because we didn't know how to block it. We didn't know who was coming. And that's why we invented the protection where we'd have three, it'd be a sub-package and we'd have the Rex call where Tom would thumb down, bring a receiver in. We would pretend like we were coming in to go

out to a pass and we blocked that safety. We have fully protected. Only have two men's out, two guys out. Because if you have only two guys out, middle of the fields, why don't? You know what I mean? And you got the brusky. The brusky. You know what I mean?

So a lot of that stuff was when we used to battle that and then Bill started bringing in a bunch of guys that were able to do that. Yeah. And it evolved even more because now it's not just like fire zone on the back end or man to man. It's like you can play cover two out of it. You can play all, you know, kind of quarters out of it. He's kind of created into the new monster that it is now. And so it's been interesting watching him. He's successful with the Vikings doing really well with them.

So just two different animals, that's for sure. And I'm happy that they're both successful. Heck, yeah. Now, how was it going against Brady every day? How much better did that make you a better football player? I gave him so much credit of how it made me it. I call it just made me a man in NFL. Like, it really did.

you had to be on your shit every single day. And whatever he was working on, like if you weren't on it, he's going after you. And then he's not stopping. Like he's going to really, you know, I was kind of the guinea pig during the week when you guys were putting in your new plays

because you guys ran a lot of empty. And you were a new player though that didn't know our plays. No. You know what I mean? So sometimes when you're going against the one defense, yeah, We've been going against these motherfuckers his training can. They know our seven plays that we love to run.

So I was a guinea pig in empty sets with James White. James White could run the whole tree. He could run, you know, the slant and go. He could run, you know, a 15-yard comeback. He got my, he practically broke my ankles on one of those. And I'm like, damn, Josh McDaniels, can you relax with these? But it was just, you had to be on point every single day, not only for Tom, but you didn't want to get on the low light film.

I mean, those low lights were crazy. What's a low light film? I don't know. You tell me. Nah, it's just. So the low light film is after practice or before the day, coach would have the whole team in, and he would show examples of guys doing good things that coach has talked about. And then there's examples of guys not doing.

the things that coaches specifically talked about in a specific meeting. And so, you know, it was a, it was a way of getting guys to be accountable. It embarrassed guys to let their teammates down in front of all their other teammates. And it was like, it was a terrible thing. Yeah. We all were terrified of the fucking lowlights. But everybody could get it. That's what I was on it.

Everybody could get it. How often did you show up? Not that much. Yeah, not much. I felt like I just tried to do my job. Who is one that you remember that got called a lot? Called a lot? I don't know.

I don't want to throw anybody out of the bus. Is there a specific low light that you remember? There's a couple. There's a couple. This is good. I love this shit. It was one of the, I think it was Ryan. Sorry, Ryan.

I think he shanked a punt. and he would get, he would go, he would lose his mind over the specialist, like special teams. If there was like a bad snap, a bad hold, a bad kick, he's like, you're thinking about it right now. Me and Ernie. Yep, yep, yeah, exactly. This is what I was going to say, me, if we wanted a 10 yard punt, me and Ernie would go out there and kick the damn ball. And then you would hear a scar in the back like, no, you. wouldn't.

Because I sat in the back. So I would always hear a scar who would be like laying down trying to stay awake. He'd say like, no, you couldn't. You know, all that is hilarious. Another one, my all-time favorite. It was gronk when he got three penalties because it was the same year. It was the same year that, 7-11. Chris Hogan. Chris Hogan had three penalties and he ripped Hogan. Like, if you ever get three

penalties like, oh, cut your ass that, like going that crazy. And I was like, damn, I don't ever want to get three penalties. So Gronk had that game against Buffalo where he got kicked out because he gave Trey White a concussion. Who I ended up being, I ended up being teammates with Trey White. And and I asked him about. He's like, man, my head's too hurt from that. But I'll never forget because I was so excited to see if he was going to get Gronk that day. Because I don't think I ever saw a gron get it.

I think it was more earlier in his career that he was on the low light. So I'm like in the back like, oh, today's the day. We're going to find out who's worth three penalties today. So go through the film and he gets to the where he gets to the, where he gets. kicked out and, you know, talks about him getting fined, I guess, for it or I don't know. Conduct detrimental. Correct. And I think Tom actually got it to that game for getting into it with Josh on the sideline that game.

I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. But after he like kind of goes over it real quick. And as soon as the meeting, I stand up, I was like, we know who's worth three penalties now. Oh. And Cronk was like, he was like sweating bullets the whole meeting. And he was like, well, at least I'm worth three penalties, I guess.

Oh, that was funny. There's some good ones in there. I mean, okay. Did you ever hear of the story how when they got Junior Seyal? Have you ever heard this? Which one? Maddie P. tell it where they had a, like, re-signed them and he was surfing and, like, like Tonga or something like that.

He was in Hawaii. Hawaii surfing. With a broken arm. Yes. So you've heard this. I don't remember, but go ahead. Okay. Love this story.

And this is true because this is from verbatim. I'll never forget it. It's like ingrained in my head because when we had pads on, we had to do those stupid tackling drills sometimes. Every day. You would be exhausted. And they would tell this story to you that they had junior. your South say I'll fly in fly in and he hadn't played football.

I don't know how long. And probably like a year. Yeah. In a while. And I guess he, they made him like suit up. And once. Getting back to Kyle when you come back and you join the team after practice,

they'll make you do shit. They want to see where you're at. And so he has, they make him get his full pads on. Junior sale. Junior Seyau, the leading tackler. Buddy, buddy. Yeah, buddy, buddy. Buddy.

And the National Football League. History. History ever. And they have him doing tackling drills. And I guess he got so mad that he kept saying, running back. And it was like, just whacked him, whoever running back,

I don't know who they said the running back was. I'm sure he'll tell you when this probably gets clipped. But it was junior sale just, I guess cracking him. And then he kept saying to Bill and Maddie P. Like are you good, buddy? Like are you happy with what I'm doing, buddy? And kept saying again, again, again, again, until finally like the kid,

whoever was the running back tapped out. And so that was forever ingrained because when we had to do these stupid tackling drills, he was, Bill, you know, he gets all excited about. He was like, I had junior say out doing this, you know. Love it. What things you're going to get out of them? this. Crazy. We'll be right back after this quick break. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart. IAR Radio. Canada's number one streaming

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Clearly I was the idiot. Thank God he didn't listen to me, right? Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, it's, I heard another story of that too, though. Yeah. I heard they brought them back one time. And Maddie P. asked him to get into tackling drills. And I think Jr. said, buddy, go look at my like, whatever number amount of tackles.

He goes, that's my tackling drills. It didn't do it. Now, do you, um, can we get that? this off our chest and can you just admit that Bill favored the defense? No. No. I'm not going to admit that because that's bullshit. Okay. If you want, okay, I love this. Wednesday test questions. You talk about this, but I don't even, I don't even care. Are they going to be in that they potentially could be on third down. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, Kyle, is this team red or blue? Okay, anyways, you can say whatever you want, but his...

High Tower, do they like to run the foot? He used to say that. Did he not used to say that? His... High Tower, he used... Do they like to run or pass? He did not say that. He did not say that.

I don't remember those, but I just know his golden childs were on offense. No fucking way. Whatever Jules says, I promise you, whatever he says, he was a golden child. Gronk was a golden child Slate was a golden child Patrick Chung was a golden child and Devin High were golden childs and you could probably

say Tom was a golden child for the most part but he was able to treat you guys so differently in a good way right it was like it was like he knew how to get under all y'all's skin who you easy

Who, Bill? Yes. Oh, yeah, Bill, yeah. But you guys were his golden child. But he used to get on us harder than a lot of guys. He would get on Tom hard. Really hard. I was, like, shocked the first time I heard it.

I was like, damn. Yeah. I was like, I got to get my issue right with him talking. Not, he wasn't talking crazy, but just what he was saying to Tom, I was like, oh, I can't, like, you got to be on point here. you yeah maybe sometimes it's probably really different in other places but i don't know any different yeah i know a lot it was it was you think you think they're saying it you think you're going to tell lamar jackson what to do i don't know you tell me you play with him i know but i'm just saying you're

gonna try to critique how he plays the game like it's kind of hard because it's not the stand in the pocket, scan every play, right? That's not what he does. He can do that. He's done, I think Lamar is the most, I think he's like what Alan Iverson is to basketball, what Lamar is to football. Like he's changed the culture in that aspect. I think he, you now, if you play quarterback, you want a guy like Lamar Jackson.

And it wasn't, it's not necessarily Pat Mahomes personally. I think that's what people have now said. But I think everyone, you talk to anyone, it's Lamar Jackson. Like, that's what people want. That's what I believe. Is that what you believe? I do. How was he as, how was it playing with him?

I love, I mean, I think he's, I think he's unreal. Like, I, I think Lamar is just different. Is he going to win a Super Bowl? I mean, that's so everyone can ask that and I just think you need, you know better than I do. You need a complete team top to bottom and you need depth. You need health. You need health. It's a little bit of luck with that regards.

You just, a lot of things need to bounce your way. Yeah, but the most important guy can't be on like, can't be, you can't be like putting yourself in danger a lot. No. And I think he's gotten better over the time. I know he doesn't like to slide. that's just how he grew up playing football and I think he's progressed now I think as you get a little bit older

and age like he has you have to start thinking about different things I still think he can move the same I think when people say he slowed down I was like oh you need to come to practice because he's jukeing the shit out of people and running away from people easy I don't think I've ever seen him sprint

and he's that fast and I just think he's so good and you know I I really I really hope there's not a person I want to have win more a Super Bowl than him I would say him and Khalil Mack I love Kay Mack I think he's well deserved I think he's top three superstar I've ever been around that is just humble hungry still I think he's well deserved of a What makes him so good? He's not just a smart football player. Like he's just rugged. Like the dude can play the run elite level.

He can rush the passer at elite level. It's just brute force. Like there's just, it's just an unstoppable mentality where you're just, it's a force that is like you ain't going to stop him. If he's rushing you, he's going to get there at some point because it's kind of like Marshawn Lynch,

you know, how his mentality running the football, like over and over and over, that same mentality. I think over and over with K. Mack, you know, bull rushing, good luck. How was Herbert? I love Jay Herb. I think. Is he elite? Yes. I wanted to say something crazy, but I won't.

What are you going to say? If you whispered, no, no, I know. I know. They're going to still hear. I will say, like, he has reminded me of Tom. just like the like his mechanics and all that like there's some of the resemblance of that i don't like ever comparing people but like buddy's got a cannon buddy works extremely hard like i will say i was very impressed with his work ethic um i've been very impressed with his i was always

impressed with yours i'm impressed with ntonio brown as crazy as he is. He used to work hard. Like, my gosh. Number one, I tell people to this day, number one hardest worker like I've ever seen in practice. Like it was like savant level. It was very impressive. But I put you in that core category, him, Tom, Matthew Stafford, Calvin Johnson. Slate. Slate, but not as much. But worked his ass off sprinting. I mean, he ran more sprints than anyone I've ever seen.

He would do drills like individual for his 17 plays a game. And he work them like their last drill every time. But that's why he's going to be a Hall of Fame. Oh, yeah. That's what he's different. What about Derek Henry? That guy's a fucking monster.

Yeah. He works hard. He does. But it's like, I'm not saying he doesn't work hard, but there's just like the, there's just, just when you've seen as many players have I've seen over the last 12 years,

there's a category up here where there's just people that are different. And I'd put him in there because not only if his, you know, on the field, but his work, like his weight room. In season, shit. Yeah, in season weight room is like, oh, like, that's why he's doing what he's doing. Now, you heard these rumors about, you know, how a horrible. You play with Coach Harbaugh? How the, you know, practicing them too hard guys are like kind of turned off of it.

Rumors. They're not rumors. We saw Zay talk about it. Oh, Zaze? Yeah, Zay Flowers talked about it on a podcast with. What do you think about that? Renet and Jarvis. They're doing pretty good.

What do I think about it? I mean, it's right in line with being hard practices. Like, that's no, I mean, I've, I've been raised. Are those the hardest practices you were ever a part of? It's hard to say because I was probably saying the same thing with Bill's training camps. Those were hard. I mean, 9 a.m. and you're smacking and half line, you're calling Jesus a couple times. Like, am I really about this? And I would say Harbaugh's training camps are, they take years off. Yeah, they take years off your life, but I'm so used to it now. So I'm like a hard person to say.

It is way different than the McVeigh tree. I've been in that tree. Brandon Staley was coached when I was with the Chargers. I actually loved it. I really believe in it because it's like the three day, three day on, one day off. You don't do that in the NFL. Like, you're always practicing three days and then you play a game, you know? So why would we do anything different? Why would I practice you six days in a row? Like, and I understand you need to build callous. I understand that. I'm talking about like, I understand. I've been in TV for five years. The first two months of the season, we talk about the offensive. line play every fucking year.

You know what? You know, they just can't get them blocked. The defense is so much bad. No, it's because they don't practice at high. They don't have enough padded practices anymore. So these guys can't pass each other off and learn how to fucking work with each other. You're turning into that guy, huh? I'm just saying.

You're turning into that guy. Bro, I played in double days, right? I mean, here we go. No, but like going from double days too. Double days. No, they didn't have double days. I did in college.

Yeah, college. NFL is completely different. But like to where we're at right now, three on, I mean, I just think the level of play, the level of execution is going to go down. You can do it both ways. You can. That's all I'm saying. Like Akeeb Talib said on the arena, he's played with McVeigh and he's played with Bill. And he was saying the same thing.

You can get to it in multiple ways. You can get to it multiple ways. Would you say when the Rams. won their Super Bowl, they were soft. No. Probably not. Can't say that. They won the Super Bowl. Any team that wins the Super Bowl to me, you're tough.

Yeah. You're going through a gauntlet. You're not going through soft teams, especially in the playoffs. Like, is that when they had Todd Hurley? No. No, they had Sony, yeah. Shout out. Sony. Shout out. Sony. They had Sony. You had

Aaron, Vaughn, Leonard, Floyd, I believe. They were good. O'Dell was probably going to be MVP. Cooper Cup was a Kuper king or something. Yeah. Yeah. So they were Well, it was the triple crown, but he also had, he led in Yak, too. So it was the quad. I just think they're there, you can do both and still be tough. I think there's other issues in the NFL, like personally, since I've been in, I think the teaching has gone down personally. This is what I think. There's less time of it. It doesn't matter. You can

still become a good teacher. They're still good teachers. You don't hear the Eagles coach complain about it, the line coach. You don't hear the new Falcons O line coach, who's one of the tops. I believe he was with the Falcons and now I can't think of his name. He's actually with the Baltimore Ravens now. A lot of good coaches. Kyle Shanahan. I've heard that from a couple guys in the league. I won't say their name, but they have said coaching has been. Yeah, the teaching is not what it should be. Like, I really believe the teaching. And that's why I think more, and I'm not trying to say, oh, like, sign me, but I think that's why veterans are so special and should be special in the NFL, kind of like what basketball does in some organizations. You have Kevin

Love, who's still playing for the Utah Jazz that's given so many guys over there. And I don't want to, like, contrast, there are two different things. But it, it, it, does help to have OGs in your building to help young guys not only be professionals but to be like to help teach. Like they see it from an on-field perspective. The same thing happens in the NBA with those guys that are still playing the Eudonis Haslums of the world that are able to teach while still playing. That's why I think it was such a great move for the Raiders to bring in Kurt Cousins for if they do draft Bernan. They're gone.

They're gone. Or they are, whatever. Yeah. Because I just remember telling, like, I just remember the value I used to see our backup quarterbacks get from watching Tom execute a system, from watching Tom, ask questions to Josh, watching Tom on how he watched film. Yeah. Watching Tom on how he talked to the guys.

Yeah. So when Tom wasn't there for those four, Jimmy G came in and everyone was saying, oh, well, I mean, that's a lot of value to seeing something ran the way it's supposed to be ran. I think Kirk Cousins can do that for Fernando. Well, look at the crew he had. You have Jacoby Berset, who's still a quarterback in the league. Jimmy Grappelow is still a quarterback in the league, both successful, whatever. You can say whatever you want about them, but they're successful.

They played 10 years in the league. They're success. So to your point, that's why I think the teaching aspect is you, and these, to improve. And I think it's hard because of now the turnover so much faster. They want youth in their salary cap how it's being used all to the quarterback. They want to get cheaper in places. Totally understand all that. But I just think the value of the coaches being teachers should go up. What's the best coaching, teaching that you ever got? It's not from me that I got. It's listening to Scar. Scar is the best teacher

I've ever watched by far not even close I tell this like just listening to him how he was able to I mean he took guys that had no business and got them prepared and ready to play if they needed

I mean Trent Brown became the highest paid tackle at one point after you know being duped from the Niners as kind of not you know wasted whatever and got him to believe in himself, got him to believe in the group he was with to play at, I think he played at an all pro level in 2018

and then got picked up by the, you know, paid by the Raiders at that point. And now he's still in the league. And I'm sure he remembers all the SCAR teachings. But it's just, I think him and Bill, I mean, Bill's an amazing teacher of being able to take something so simple and break it down to,

whoever needed to hear it, however you need to hear, whether you're a visual learner, walking and talking, however you were trying to learn, I think that's what separated Bill. But I think another thing that separates Bill than anyone else is his critical thinking in-game, like his in-game adjustments. Like, I can't believe how some teams don't do end-game adjustments, like on the sideline where teams are like attacking a certain thing and you're you're you won't adjust and it's like it drives me it drives me nuts. Steelers still they do what they do.

Do what we do. Steelers. I mean, they're still going to put, are we changing it up a little? Got to, right? They got to do that. I mean, Graham, Graham's a good coach. PG. Yeah, PG's a solid coach.

He's been successful. Is he with the Steelers? No. He's a Steelers, D.C. They're going to be good. Multiple. Yeah, PG's going to be great over there. He's got a lot of talent.

Probably the most talent he's had since New England. You could probably argue. He's got a lot of ballers over there. They got to get going. They're getting kind of old over there. He said this week they're sticking with the three, four, though. They should. They have three, four bodies.

Cam Hayward. They just picked up Sebastian Joseph Day. They got the Yaya Harmon, T.J. Watt. They still got her big. They still have High Smith, Alex Queen. Jalen Ramsey, Assange. You think the Steelers can make a run? I mean, is Aaron going back there?

I don't know. I'm not sure. They need a quarterback. They don't have one. And maybe Will Howard's the guy. I don't know. I don't know. But if he was the guy, they probably would have, you know.

Gave the keys already. Maybe. I don't know. Who do you think they draft? Not sure. The drafts. What are they like number 28? Probably like 22.

They made the play. playoffs over us. I know, but like it's, it's outrageous. Now we got to talk about this 2018 AFC championship game. Let's get into a timer. Arrowhead had games. What, uh, what's the first thing you think about when you think about that game? I think about the play I had that doesn't, that goes unnoticed. It was a screenplay to DJ Williams on the side. And it was B and I think three blockers and I split two. I remember that. And knocked him out of bounds. And it it was a huge play. You can't have a fuck a buck, right?

Ha ha ha. And then I remember how the heaters went out in the game. Heaters went out. And I remember how I remember how you had the same play like three times in a row, third and ten. And then I remember

the interception that didn't count. I had my, the heater wasn't working. So I was balled up in a, in a cocoon with my jacket on. I wasn't even watching the game. I was just like,

somebody tapped me and tell me when we're going back. So the crowd's going crazy. I get tapped. I'm like, what the hell happened? And I guess there was a pick. And then all of a sudden they were like the laundry. Thank you, D. Ford. Dude. Was it? It was D.

Ford. Yeah. Yeah. I forget. Someone came up to me. I was slamming my shit all pissed off. What the fuck? Think about the offseason. Shit's going to so. Fuck this. Fuck you guys.

And some guy came up to me. He goes, you guys are going to have a hell of off season. So I thought we fully lost a game. Yeah. And then I go, what? There's a flag.

I went and ran him down. I was like, there's a flag. There's a flag. Oh, I thought that was like the funnest win. That was great. Oh, yeah.

That's an all timer. Just because. That was better than the Super Bowl. Because we had like no one gave, it's a chance going in there winning. Well, against the Rams? No, against the chiefs. They were on fire.

They were on fire. Sammy Walkins, Tyreek Hill, Williams. You guys shut them up in the first half. Yeah, do say. Except, except, wait, late, didn't they score like right before the half or no? Nothing, nothing, no. Nothing. Nothing, bro. We was going crazy. You guys were, you guys were holding them. Yeah, we were going crazy. And then all of a sudden, they, Andy Reed, he'd give them enough time.

He's like, I got them. Andy Reed. We got to put some shine on Kyle that game, bro. 10 tackles, two sacks, two TFLs, and two QB hits, man. It's going crazy. The playoffs stats are up there. Elite, yes. That year was elite.

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Clearly, I was the idiot. Thank God he didn't listen to me, right? Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, man. Let's go back into time to win your game that we are discussing the points set of bull. Let's see you. Let's go. It happened on December 20th, 2012.

Let's go over some pop culture. See what was going on in the world. Number one movie was The Hobbit. Number one song, locked out of heaven by Bruno Mars. My mom loves Bruno Mars. Popping around in theater, Django, awesome movie.

Lincoln, too long. I got to go back and watch it, but Daniel Day Lewis, right? Got out, bro. Yeah, Lincoln was good. Skyfall was good. All three of those are great. movies. I know, but I got to go watch

him. I got to rewatch the Oh, you were such a gangnam style guy. Oh, for sure. No shot. I didn't. I wasn't. Hey. My kid loves that. My little girls, nine years old now. Game themselves still around? It was more like two years ago when they used to love it in the car rides.

That's true. It's still popping. They hit a billion views. AP was the MVP. Gosh, that was the last time anyone not a quarterback, right? Mansell was going crazy. Johnny. He was my draft class.

Story about Johnny. He was, I was the year, I think I was the last year, they did the rookie symposium. Oh. I was the one that was getting entertained by Warren Sapp and Chris Carter talking about a fall guy. I was there. And I'm looking.

They don't do those anymore? No, hell not. I loved it, though. Yeah, it's good. It was great, but they hell know they don't do it no more. But I think they do it with their own respective teams. No, every team has to do it like we do like rookie suck. Yeah.

And so I'll never forget like I'm listening to this. And I'm like, I'm looking at like whatever the team person is. I can't remember what their job was. The ops guy that was there. And he's like looking and he's like scratching his head. Like what they just went off the rails. And they were talking about like, you ever get busted? you got your boy in the back, you know, just tell him to do it.

And I'm like, I'm like, look, you know, like, oh, this is crazy. And while we were there, the rumor was Johnny Mansell wasn't there. And he showed up late. And I think you get like a big fine because it was like mandatory that you had to go. He was just chilling in the hallway. Like, nothing happened. Like, all right, I'm here, you know. But, yeah, John football, he's good people.

You would imagine if he just had a fall guy. It'd be alright. That's some wise words he missed. I mean, I think he tried to have them. We, I mean, geez. Yeah, I was the fall guy. That was crazy, bro. I'll never forget that.

That was insane watching just Sapp and Chris Carter. They talked for like 30 minutes about this too. I think Carter was talking out mine. But he actually gave us some good shit. I remember I'm talking about it Ricky's rookie symposium. life's about choices, decisions, and consequences. You make so there's a choice, you decide what to make, and there's going to be a consequence or something like that.

Yeah. Do the other guy that spoke something herring, he played for the Celtics, his stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the white boy. Yes, who had like the drug. Oh, my God, he told his story. I was locked in. It was so powerful. Remember the Francisi guy?

we used to talk, come in, talk to us about gambling, the Max Gangster, who's like one of the Goodfellow dudes. Yeah. I mean, look, there's a lot of shit that happens with our league and a lot of people say they could do more. But look, I think that they try to get better. Okay, this is good conversation because I do think they can do one thing better. And I do think it's the mental health aspect of it. You know, we had a fallen brother in the NFL Rondell Moore. Don't know him.

But condolences to his family. A.J. Green had a really good point where he said that if you get a season-ending injury, it should be mandatory that you should be meeting with somebody like a therapist. I do think it should be outside of the building because, you know, I independent. just kind of like a neuro doctor from a concussion purpose. I think it should be the same thing. They should give you like five to ten therapists. You can, you know, you can pick which one you can see,

but it should be mandatory for anybody that's injured personally, I think. I mean, it's a valid point. I mean, psychologically, that's one of the hardest things you deal with as an athlete is when you can't go out and do what you think you're here to do. And you get isolated too. Very isolated. And it's not anyone's fault. It's just it is what it is.

Yeah, it is what it is. The train moves on. You're sitting back at the train stop watching it go. Yeah. Or you're just trying to learn how to walk again. Yeah. God. Man.

Yeah. What was life like for you? 2012 in college. VYU. Big man on campus. Big man on campus or what? I was during that time we didn't really have a. I was.

I was. I was, though. Let's go. At that point, we didn't have a we didn't have a quarterback that was getting marketed. I was marketed like a quarterback. They put me on billboards. Like, I did commercials.

NIL? I mean, off the books. Oh. Yeah. You know, those conversations are, you know, they are what they are. They were great. A lot of money at BYU.

They are. You see what they're doing now. Yeah. I'm not surprised. Are they going to make it to the... I think, you know, they have a chance to get into... They missed. They should have been in the playoffs last year.

Kalani Sataki is doing a great job with them now. Sataki. God he didn't leave. Me too. He was definitely gone. That's for sure. I know that. He was definitely going to Penn State.

Like, I know that. But... Money talks. Hey, things happen. Go, baby. Yeah, especially, you know. Are you a movie guy? The crumble.

The crumble cookies. Am I a movie gate? Yeah. I love movie TV shows. Yes. What's your shows right now? My shows right now. The neighbors and friends that came back.

Everyone's watching that. The Pit on HBO. Great show. People are starting like that. The Seven Kingdoms. That was good. Was it the prequel? Yeah.

Prequel. I'm trying to think. I have a list. I'm on my phone. I love that. I'm a huge. Veteran, married man, professional athlete. You got a lot of series?

I got a ton. Because that's what you're watching, probably when you're getting your body work or you're traveling. Ooh, I got a whole list. I'll just shout out a couple of ones that I've liked over the years. Ray Donovan. House of Cards. The Shy. Top Boy, shameless succession, billions, Barry, money heist.

Are you going to get into TV or something? something you watch a lot of shows. Ozark, the boys, I keep going, The Punisher, Taboo with Tom Hardy, City on a Hill. That's also Boston, too. High Town Vikings of Vahala, hunters, Reacher, Fraudda, gentlemen.

That's a good one. Bosch, Bosch, Boss, Lachey, Boss, Tulsa King, and Mayor of Kingstown. Those are just a couple. I got more. I can scroll. That's what I do. That's a ball nowhere. That's a ball knower. That's a movie knower. The TV shows, more TV shows, yeah.

Which is the new movie? Yeah, fair. When are we going to see you at a movie? Ooh. It's gotten cut out of the shack. I got questions, too. Like, we're the thirst trap photos too. That's what I'm saying.

We've got to bring them back in the rotation, man. I see you got a couple fellow friends in a thirst trap scene now, too. I mean, we were once a young guy. Okay. A, one thing I always respect is, you you're always you've always been like very private and respectful of your love life like you've always kept it you know i've always respected how you move that way yeah i'm not saying you're like a like a bad person or anything it's just what like in regards the relationships it's not my business

but like knowing you and being friends with you of like how you're handsome guy young guy you know you're how you move respect Thanks, Bo. Thanks. I appreciate that. Just trying to move the right way. Yeah. And a nine-year-old daughter. Yeah, I was going to say, how's being a dad of a nine-year-old daughter? It's insane. It's a fun. This is... What's she into? She loves horses. Nice. Like, what I can't say the word. I can't say the word like the... Cantor. Is it the question? Yeah, question.

Questioner. She should get tickets for it at the, when the Olympics did a question. We should probably... Do she do? Is she? like country, like my mentor's daughter is a barrel. She's like a top. She just goes, I mean, she loves them. We're not like, I'm not a horse guy. I can tell. You know what I mean?

So, you know, we do, we do the horses. She loves, she plays soccer. She plays tennis. Nice. She loves going. She loves the water sports. You know, she's really big into the lake right now. We, I showed her, you know, we've been going on lake life for five years, you know.

So she loves going to the lake, going on the two. getting on the kneeboard, doing the skis. You know, she's just, it's a, it's a fun age because they can now, you could show them like movies and they understand the humor. Yeah. You watch Home Alone and like some guy gets kicked in the nuts. She's dying laughing now. Like, you know what she understands that?

You watch that when they're like five. They're like, what's going on? You know what I mean? So it's just, it's, it's a fun. It's a fun age. And like, honestly, nothing quite gives you the sport. that you used to get when you would go, like for me, when I would go and I would train in the off season

to try to get something better. I'd run en route like a thousand times, this one, just the top of a route. And then when I would see it translate and progress on the field in a game, that, like, that satisfaction, euphoric feeling that you got from seeing your work pay off, I only get that now from watching my kid.

like that euphoric feeling watching her hit the piano at the teacher you know grinding through it learning things doing things that are hard for her watching her on the soccer field watching her practice watching her on the tennis court like that's the shit that gets me like i just want a super bowl is when you know she's hitting the forehand right yeah no i feel you so like it's a fun age because they still love you i know it's going to get crazy here in a few years you know and you know things change. Mm-hmm. I think you're going to be great.

You're going to be good. I will be straight. You got a kid, right? I do. I have two. Two. I have a six-year-old son, Trey. And my daughter, who's for Monet.

Monet. Trey and Monet. Mm-hmm. What kind of stuff are they into, Kyle? Yeah. Great question. Thanks. I didn't mean to cut you off.

My bad. No, no. Trey's into everything. He's a very smart kid. Very artistic. He does flag football, baseball, coaches pitch right now, getting him into golf. Yeah, tennis. He plays everything basketball. He like... I like it. The true rich people sport. Yeah, for sure. I didn't get to play those growing up. I didn't either. So we're throwing them in there. We need it. I need

those tennis lessons. My parents mean, I'm better than what my parent, like they made it. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I get it. And you know, another thing that I'm starting to do that I didn't do, which I wish I would have done was I always wish I would have played a sport that was solo. Oh yeah. Like, or do something activity wise. Like,

I'm going to get him in my next thing that he's going to get into is jujitsu. I hope I said that right. just to learn, you know, the respect, you know, the mentality, be a warrior, you know, a warrior, but a gardener type of deal, like that mindset where you can, you know, protect yourself, protect others, but you're learning it into in a controlled environment where you're learning peace within type of deal. So I think that's something I wish I learned that I want him to learn, whether that's jihitsu or boxing one of the two. I love the we're team sport guys Yeah You know what I mean Which football is the ultimate team sport

11 guys got to do the right thing But golf is the best sport But the individual sports That's a different psyche Yes You know that's why I like her doing tennis Because there ain't no one to blame but yourself Nope

You're you The light is on you There's, you know what I mean You can't have a bad day In those sports golf tennis in all these individual sports, that's a different psychological mindset for these guys and women than when you're in a team sport.

Now, you know, you got to be mentally tough in both of them, but it's just different. For sure. You know what I mean? But I will say to throw your hat in the ring, you're probably one of the best ping-bong players I've seen. No, I was Amandola. No, I know, but you guys were always going at it in the corner,

versus each other, but that's that solo. That's the solo mission y'all was on in the... I'll give that to Dolah. He's a sheriff. He's a sheriff. Dang, you're just bowing the knee? You know, he beats my ass and ping pong. Dang. He taught me how to play ping pong.

He did. Yeah. Oh, nice. Like, he used to beat me with like an iPhone. He'd have his iPhone. Does I even play ping pong play? Dola Supreme over here. And it was different when you get those like the crazy paddles where there's spinning shit.

You know? I mean, it's like tennis. I love Dola. I want you to bring, you need to dive into your story with Dola. Which one? You Dola and Paul Pierce. We already hit that 15 times in the show.

Okay, okay. Statute of limitations is that. Okay, fair. You can't even go hoodslide anymore. Let's jump into this game, though. We hit the San Diego State Aztex real quick. The Ponsetable, which Kent State. almost went to the point set of bowl in 2006 when I was there.

Man, imagine that. But we lost, I think we signed it before the last week. We were six and five, and they thought we were going to be seven and five. And they pulled it from us when we lost in the last week. Dang. You was playing quarterback, too. Yeah. Did you throw a pick or something?

What happened? No, we played ball state with Nate Davis. He was a quarterback that got drafted in the third round of the Niners. And we were in what, into Indiana or something like that. And it just was a weird Saturday. Oh, that sucks. I hate those. I've had one of those.

You have those weird Saturdays where like... I had that against Oregon State. Be Cook's, cookie. It was Cooks, Marcus Wheaton, and a backup quarterback, Dan Katz or something like that. Not Dan Katz from Barstool, but he ain't playing no quarterback. But this dude came out.

12 for 12 beat our, they beat our ass. It's just, it was crazy. Man. All right, Jack, get in this. Oh, man. Let's get into these Aztecs real quick. Ryan Katz. Second year of the Rocky Long era. You know anything about Mountain West football. You know Rocky Long, winning his head coach at New Mexico, came over to San Diego State, coming off at eight and five season. This year, they were Mountain West co-champs, started off two and three, a little struggle, but ripped off seven

in a row, beat number 19, Boise State on the road. This is a power run team. don't like to throw the ball. They'll ground and pound it. Got Adam Wayma and then Adam Wayma. That guy was a beast, Walter Casey. Wayma had almost 1,500 yards. KZ 822.

These guys were balling out. Gavin Escobar, remember him? Yeah. Tide in, good tight in. But put up 32 points a game with a run attack like that. So they were pretty... I think this coach was at Michigan

at one point too. Was he? I believe so. Rocky Long's been around. And then he and Brocko Mendenhall coached together. Yeah, Bryce Butler. good friend of mine, good golfer. He's like a content creator, golfer.

Is he? Yeah. I like you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this team was a solid Mountain West team. And then getting into these BYU Cougars baby.

Your favorite player, Daniel Sorensen. Oh, bro. How about that? His favorite player right there. What do you mean? Safety from Kansas City. Oh, is that the white boy? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. He was easy. I forgot about that one. Dig him out. Easy. I was just saying that's one of your favorite players. I respect. I mean,

he used to, we used to battle each other, man. Man, these Cougars were eight and five. Bronco Mendenhall era. Put up 28 points a game on offense, but no disrespect to the offense

and what Riley Nelson and Cody Hoffman did. But this defense was insane. Unbelievable. Allowing just 14 points a game, third in the nation. This is post-Mountain West era. So second year's an independent for BYU. I mean, we got to put some love on Kyle this year.

I mean, this game was insane. But this season, 13 sacks, 22 tackles for losses, six force bumbles, two picks. This team was insane. Didn't even make All-American, bro. How was that possible? How was that possible? I didn't play in the, that year was Jarvis Jones, mentor. I think it was Mosley and somebody else.

but I don't care. I should have been one of them. That's all I know. You and Ziggiazza were insane, bro. Yeah. We were number two in the country and defense. I played a game this year, Jules. We held Boise Seat to zero points and still lost.

We threw a pick six to the nose tackle. I think I remember that. Bro. That was crazy. I forgot about that game. My gosh. This was freshman Taysam Hill, too. Yeah, young buck.

What do you remember about this team? I remember we were really. good. We were rugged on defense. We were tough. I remember the San Diego State game, Moema was like the person to stop. I mean, ran for 1,500 yards essentially that year. We knew it was going to be a defensive game. So it was just like, all right, you know, if, you know, we might have to score to win this game. And that was kind of the mentality going into it and I happened to score twice that game. You did? I did. I went crazy. This is like, honestly, I thought I was going to go to the NFL

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Now, what's one thing that people don't know about BYU, the best part of it? One thing?

Because, I mean, like, what do you? There's like almost like, You guys, it's kind of like in its own little world over there. Yeah, they call it the bubble. It's like in its own little bubble. I don't think people realize how smart people are there. Like a lot of people get jobs from BYU all over the country. I saw recently a video of someone talking about.

I remember I graduated a history major. Yes, sir. I am a college graduate. it. History major. I know what histories? American history? It was English history.

No, it was all of it. World history. But I couldn't tell you anything. World history. I wanted to catch myself before you went down that road. Like, wins World War II. You know World War II. I believe it was 1939.

Yeah, to 45. Okay. Let's go. Let's go. All right. We'll stop there. That was the history corner. We'll stop there.

But I was in history class and I won't forget this one. This one was crazy. They picked a kid like the CIA came and like grabbed a kid out of my class. Never saw him again. I think they were recruiting this kid. I think he spoke because a lot of people serve LDS missions. And so I think this kid. spoke like five different languages and they just like basically you got the job and I picked them

out of class. Wow. Never saw them again. I just think there's a really a lot of smart humans there. I mean, they're hardworking. I think a lot of jobs, salesmen like door to door sales, they do a really good job of that because they take two year missions and they knock on doors for two years. I don't think it's two years anymore. I think it's one year. You can kind of pick how long you go now, but I didn't serve one. Other factors are in there. But I respect those that choose to do it. I really think it's unbelievable. I mean, my brother did it. He went on a Spanish speaking. My mom did it. Went Spanish speaking to Dominican Republic. My dad did it. He went to the Philippines. I have all my cousins went Spanish speaking so like you know my family I'm adopted so my whole family's white so you got like five people that can speak Spanish to each other at the dinner table you're like bro just speak English bro yeah but yeah they're all it's great it was an awesome experience I like I said when you asked and I wasn't humble about I really did get treated like a a superstar there

I couldn't go to class because people would bug me. I got like the Jimmer for debt treatment or I got to just go to an advisor every day and do my work there and would sign autographs basically like every day like Jimmer did. Yeah. Yeah. It was a cool experience, very humbling. And I learned how to be a professional. Like I learned how to move like a professional.

That's why I felt like when I got in the league, a lot of guys with it when I was a rookie would be like, bro, you seem like you've been in league seven years. And I'm like, I'm a rookie. And they'd be like, oh, you just not like you take care of your body. Like you're very well spoken. You know how to like maneuver. Like it's very impressive. And so I think that's why a guy, too I still talk to this day, Calvin Johnson,

me and him just got along because really well right at the beginning just because I felt like we had a, um, just like he thought I was like a mature rookie for my age and could handle the just talking shit with them. And, you know, he still makes fun of how I run. He'll, like, text me, yeah? He'll text me like, bro, pump your arms. And just mess with me still to this day. But just I owe a lot to that place of just becoming a young man.

Mount Rushmore, BYU people. Oh, man. Good question. Bring them. All time, all time. Hell no. Andy Rito. Brigham's not on there.

Andy, pump, past kick guy. He's not in there. Steve Young. Steve's on there. Jimmer Fredette's on there for sure. He's a really good question.

Who else is on there? Who else we got? I'd probably put Robbie Bosco on there. Yeah. And then I'm going to put him on there just because I like his. story so much is McMahon. Yes. Just because he's so different.

He did things his way there. He probably was drinking beer. It was a legend. I feel like I've heard. Yeah. Like he's just a cool dude. I've met him a couple times and he just did everything his way and he did it in the league his way. Like he's just a cool cat.

Dang. Shout out McMahon. Yeah. I would say those four. Let's get in this game lead up. I'm just laughing at the fact. You I had Austin Colley on yours this morning. You got crack me up. No, no shame. You told, remember we talked about this. You told me when we first men talked about it, how he would change his gloves.

A thousand times. Like a million times during the game. Dude, he had. I love you. I love you. My guy had trainers rolling out his palms before he went out to go. And then he would like take the gloves off. And he's like, hey, can you roll out my hands?

feel a little stiff. He had like some OCD shit going. I was sitting there like, Colley, let's fucking go. Got to make sure the answer, right? He was so, and he would do the glove thing. You know, you.

Well, how can you make fun of OCD when you're like one of the most OCD? Was I? Bro. How? Your warm up had to be the same. Your massages every single day had to be like the same amount.

Um, your dip. That's a whole different story. Like you, we could go down the list of the, oh, the yellow shirt. Oh, my gosh. That yellow shirt's probably. It's in this room. Can't just smell it? Back there somewhere.

That yellow shirt gets treated better than a lot of people. It's right there, buddy. Oh, there it is. Let me see this thing. Oh, my gosh. Look at this thing, bro. Oh. This is so gross.

Hey, you know what's cool, though? Is you still got it. This is dope. Hell yeah, bro. That's where I came from. You always used to say, you're like, Popeye said, I am what I am. Yeah.

I am what I am. In college, we did great. We're good. It's gritty. In college, we did gray shirts. So I know the feeling. Yeah. I respect it.

You guys did gray shirts in games, too. Yeah. That was first. That was a fresh look. Caleb Williams like. Yeah, Caleb does that. Here for a little bit. Game lead up. What do we got? All right. Let's get into this thing.

We got the 9 and 3 entering this game, San Diego State Aztex. 7 and 5, BYU. BYU coming off a late season lost to San Jose State uncharacteristic. And we got James Lark making his second career starting this one. Fifth year senior. So the defense is going to have to do their, they're going to have to work it out for him, maybe. And San Diego State, seven games. win streak. We mentioned that earlier leading

into this one. This was Rocky Long, Bronco Mendon Hall. Menon Hall had been his D.C. at New Mexico. They'd work together, Oregon State. So this was a little pupil-versed the master kind of game. Two guys that know each other very well. BYU enters this thing, 5-0 in their last 5 against San Diego.

What was in the swag bag? Oh, got to ask that. Price. Trash. Trash. No PlayStation sidekick? Yeah. This was like the old San Diego stadium. Qual-Con. Yeah. I played there.

Be too. Shout out. The Chargers, baby. Branc had his 69-yard touchdown there. So what stands out to this game other than your two touchdowns, sack, interception, and... I'm block. Block punt. Honestly,

I like blacked out this game. Yeah, I blacked out this game. What made you so prepared for this game? Why do you think you played so well? Was it your week of prep? Did you know going into this thing? you were going to have something? Did you do something superstitious? This is good. All right. We'll get in the nitty gritty. So I thought I was playing so good that year that I was like, I'm going to the league, you know, and about a month prior to this, because this was like right at the week after was finals. And so

I had my advisor say, hey, look, like you're failing a bunch of your classes. I was like, oh, shit. Like, it looks like I'm going to the league then. he was like, listen, like, I think you should just try the last month, like, just in case you want to come back, want to finish, like, whatever. And I was like, you know what, I'll try this next month. So I, like, really tried at school. The week before was finals, I had to get like three, I had to get an over an 80 on one test, over 75, and like another 85 in one test to like pass the class. So I found out what, I'm not going to lie, like what Adderall was that week. And I studied my ass off all week. Like, I was prepared like the first time ever past all three of my finals got.

The one I had to get an 85. I got an 88. And I've never been more excited in my life to where the advisors, when we got the tests, where I got all jumping like, oh, you know. So like, that was dope. So then I just slept that whole next week because I had been up for like three days straight studying and taking tests. But I just like slept during that whole time and then went stupid. And I think just. See kids? No, no, yeah. You get good grades?

You play good football. That's right. The grade part for sure. The other stuff, please don't do. Do the satisfaction of going out there and achieving your goal. in the academics. It allows you to play free. Yes.

Yep. And it was, I think, just after the game, like being able to celebrate that experience with my parents. I mean, the sack fumble in the end zone, that's second to the left picture. Yeah, or second from the left picture. I watched that. That was like the, that was probably the one play.

Yeah, Tud. And just remembering Ziggy on the. pile with me and my teammates all geeked. And then just the experience after was pretty crazy. It was like the first, it was like Twitter was just starting at the time what X is was starting to. So like trending after that and like being on Sports Center, my name was number one trending on like the top 10 of Twitter. And then just being having two plays on the top 10 from that night and just, you know, agents start hitting you up after that process. And just that whole experience was pretty crazy after.

Now, were you excited to be playing against San Diego State in the poinsettable or what was, no. We were pissed because our defense was number two in the country. And, you know, it was like disappointing to make it, you know, being on a team that should, it should have been in those top bull games. We just had, we, you know, Taseom Hill, who's played in the NFL. while he got hurt that year in the fourth quarter of a dumb football game and somebody went low at his knee and blew his knee out. And so that was kind of, then after that, I was like trying to

find a quarterback. I think we played with four different quarterbacks that season. So it was just kind of crazy. I mean, we lost the game with not giving up a defensive touchdown. So it was just like one of those seasons where it is what it is. And, you know, we were kind of pissed off. And, you know, we played like it. We played really, really well the whole game. Now, who was the quarterback looking at when he threw you the pick six? I don't know because I slipped. That was great.

I slipped. You were like right there. It was just one of those games, Jules. And you had some good yak. Yeah. Yeah, we got busy. We got busy a little bit. I got five tutties in the league.

So I get busy when I get the ball, bro. I've seen it. Yeah. Who's the coolest quarterback you picked off? As Calvin Johnson was saying, bro. Because I say, I didn't know that's what it was, but I just been thinking about it after you told me it is. You need to move me out.

I need to pump my arms more. Who's the coolest quarterback you picked off in the league? Picked off? I haven't picked off very many cool quarterbacks. But Jared Gough. Jared Gough. Jared Gough. Yeah.

That's a good quarterback. Yeah, Jared Gough. But it was early in his, It was when he was in St. Louis. So they were bad. It's early. Jeff Fisher. Yeah.

I know I got a pick six off Josh Rosen. Appreciate it. Joseph Rosen. Yeah. Thanks, Josh. Favorite quarterback you sacked. Oh, Josh Allen.

Patrick Mahomes. Is he hard? No. Josh Allen. Like, is he like a head? Because I remember watching Big Ben. I just think it's a rivalry over the years, right?

Like when you play in the league and he might not think I'm a rival, whatever, but like playing in New England and seeing his development where he sucked ass at the beginning. But you saw talent and then Dayball got there. And then 2019 when we were playing for the division game at home, and you were kind of like, ah, shit, he's figuring out the checkdown. And you just saw the progression with Dayball. And then to see where he's at now, like he's really, really good. good. And then Patrick Mahomes, that game in the AFC championship, getting him twice was pretty sick. And then, yeah, I've missed, I missed Tom, though. That's the one that got away.

The one that got away. When he was in Tampa, I was playing, I shouldn't have, I probably shouldn't have played that game. I had a bruise. I, like, strained something. I, like, my adductor, mangus or whatever. and thugged it out. And there's a play where he sidesteps me. And I'm like on one leg and I like die. Did you say anything?

No, no, no, no. But what was weird about that? And I don't know if you ever, if you ever talk to him. But like that game was so the, it was so intense. Like it felt like a playoff game. But then after the game, I don't know if he said this. it was me and hi were right next to him and he was like I think he said that wasn't as much fun as I thought it was gonna be like I think he enjoyed beating us but I think it was like the big brother

kind of relationship that we had like it wasn't as fun as he thought now I didn't think it was that fun either because it's like that's like your brother on the other side like yeah you want to beat this is you playing against Tampa yeah yeah when we were in the England. They should have went for it on fourth down. Yeah. You're talking about with the field goal. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, look at, Foles is still kicking. He's a baller. I just think

with the rain, it's impressive what he's doing. I just think with the rain, it was just, you know, it is what it is. You know if you missed it, Matt Jones would have gotten the radio bullshit and then whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Tough game. Yeah, yeah. Jack, put a bow on this and it's greater.

Man, 23 to 6, BYU gets the win. All-timer. Kyle was named defensive MVP. Cody Hoffman, offensive MVP, he balled out in this game. Re- Kyle stat line. Just give us full stat lines. We got to read the sat line. Eight total tackles, two touchdowns, one formal recovery, one interception, one and a half sacks, three and a half tackles for losses and a punt block. That's a fucking a lead. That is a game, baby.

We went crazy. I think I'm the only player in college football history to have, I think three seasons or back to back seasons with every stat you could get on defense. Every stat. Every stat. I think pump block all of the stats you can get back to back seasons. I think you might have to check me with that. You played one year with Ninkovich, right?

That's a Nikovich stat right there. Right there. That stat that you just brought up. No way you're going to put me in that category. Nikovich used to come up. Niko is the worst when it comes to that. you know, fumble recoverings in the third quarter, I have the most all time of that. That's a sweet stat though.

She's fucking around. But I'm kind of like, you're comparing me to Nico. This is like, get out of here. Negative Nancy Niko. Was this your best individual performance of all time in college or all time? Probably all time, maybe. In high school, I went crazy one game. I think I had like.

four or five touchdowns in one game. How'd you guys celebrate in San Diego? It's funny you bring this up. I took Ziggy Ansah to Jack in the Box for the first time. He had never been. Two tacos? Yep. Dip him in Ranch, Jumbo Jack?

We didn't go that crazy. I love. Yeah. The egg rolls. I love Jack in the box. It's been so long. I know. Me too.

It was like the real. It was cool. Jack was cool because they served everything at all times. all the time. They didn't have the... Curly fries went crazy. Curly fries and Oreo shake? Oreo shake.

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I mean, that's a neat go comment right there. You were just ever, ever, yeah. High school, I mean, you went stupid in high school. You played every position. I was a quarterback in high school. I know. And at Ken State. I don't know. I had some like some good running throwing games where I'd throw for like 250 yards run for like 150 yards. What about when I was like a little kid.

I scored seven or six touchdowns. I bet they couldn't catch you. What about the league? What's like the game that comes to mind? Would it be the MVP game or do you think there's more? See, I don't know. I've had really good games, but I always had I had really good moments. you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I had a good, like, that Super Bowl MVP game,

I was probably like 99 for 100 on like all my assignments. Like, it was almost a perfect assignment game. There was one where a ball was kind of tipped and I, I didn't catch, like, it was tipped and I didn't catch it. You cared about grades? No, but it was like one of those things were like, you know, when you say, like, after a really good game,

oh, I could have had that one block. Yeah. There's always one. There's always like one rep. No matter how good your stats were, there's always something. Always. And that was like a close to a really good game, even though there was no touchdown.

The Super Bowl in Seattle against Seattle was awesome. That was a really cool game. I don't know. I had some monster college games against Akron when I was at Kent, where I threw for like 305, three touchdowns, ran for a touchdown. It was like the first time we got the wagon wheel in years. like that, you know what I mean?

But fucking, it's always fun. Let's name this thing. What do you want to name this? We got some names, the point set a bull. The point set a ball. The Kyle Van Nuoy game. The double tutty game. The I blacked out game.

The Smackdown in San Diego or something else. I got to call it. Whatever you want. Shit, I'm going to put my name on. at jewels. Come on, man, yeah. Vanoy. It's fitting. Two-doy game. I was going to, I was trying to get like a two touchdown.

That was good. I like that. Didn't work. Not bad. Not bad. You try. I'm going to get put on flobation again. Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. The stakes of this 2012 point set of bowl game between San Diego State and Brigham Young University. What is it? One out of five? One out of ten. One out of ten. one out of ten.

Encouraged. Oh, then it's, I'm, I'm, I want to put the stakes are like six point three. You know, that's a veteran score. That's a great score. That's a great. I got to go six one. Look, these are great. Yeah.

It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, I never went to a bowl game. So I wish I got to grade a fucking bowl game. I also went six one on the same freaking ball state. The star power of this game, whoever was at the game was, you know, uh, yeah. I'm going to say 3.2. 3.2? Yeah. Nah, you're in there.

I'll give it a 5-0. Oh, look at you. That's nice of you. 5-0. 5-0. 4-8. 4-2. I had 3-1.

Sorry, I was a little low on that one. The gameplay. What was this bowl game sponsored by? San Diego County Credit Union. That counts. You got out a point out. Shout out. Shout out.

The gameplay of this game. Oh. It's back and forth. Yeah. I'm going to say game play. till the fourth quarter was, I would say an eight. I like that. I mean,

I made the National Football League as a special team player. This fucking punter put 17 punts inside the negative two yard line. It looked like, the, the way this guy punted, I got a heart on. It was fucking, it was elite. And then you had too many fair catches, though. Too many fair catches. Actually, JD Falsive didn't,

No, but I'm saying the punt, and you guys did the plus 50 points so good where you had your heels on the back and the guy caught it on the one like twice or three times. And then I like defensive games, those kind of games. I'm going to go with a 8.1. Riley Stevenson, Seamus McMurrow, baby. Punters, 14 total punts. But the gunner, too. I don't know who the gunner was. There was a gunner that got like three inside the fives.

That punter, did he get drafted? He had to have after that. I think so. I think you got to look. You know, crazy. How many times were you like the Patriot player of the week? I don't even know. You know, remember when Bill got that?

It's my, it's one thing that I never got that I'm like still bitter about. I got my, I didn't get it that often. No, I know. Not many people did. He would give it to like random people all the time. Not saying they weren't deserving. Yeah. But I always was butt hurt.

I never got one. I used to wear black jersey with my first, like, two years, though. I get black jersey. Okay. First couple years. I mean, you saw me at a different time. I was there for eight years before you. Or like five, six.

When were you there? 12? 2009. Oh, shit. I got there in 2009. I played like a full career before you guys. 16. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You're old, bro. It was nuts. And it was like a different team when I got there. Yeah. We didn't have. Jamie Hyg, Grung. No.

Hernandez. You were playing defense. That's how I know it was bad. It was bad. Locking up in Quang Bolden. All right. Let's wrap this up. The name of the game, the Kyle Van Nuoy game,

one to 10 decimals encouraged. Oh, I'm going with 9.8, baby. Got a shout out my name. I'll give him 8.7 shout out Grunk. Yeah, I scored this before I knew what we were naming it. Oh, man. Out of three. Dang.

I had a four point. I was like up that. What is this? what is it what's the what's the number where is it rank it is a 5.7 where is it on the list this is going to second slide 5.71 this is oh this is low we're getting this is going to be our new 133rd game just ahead of the mo lewis got it so here oh I'm sorry I got to go one more side oh okay good we're not last no it's just out of the mo lewis game week 2 2001 jets versus a Patriots where Drew Bledso famously got hurt.

And then just a head behind. Wait, wait, what's that Patriots Bills game, 2011? Who was that? Patriots Bill's 2011. Right there, 134. No, that game was 16, 2011. Oh, that's a dinosaur for light game with Matt Leigh. Oh, my God.

Yeah, when you clinched the division. We clinched division. We went to, uh, and we got snowed in at Buffalo. That had to be fun. It was, and then we got, there wasn't any hotel. space in Buffalo because there was a hockey tournament. So we had to bus to Rochester, New York. The whole team went to fucking Rochester, New York, dinosaur barbecue.

First time I ever saw coaches drink or anything. It was like one of those things. It was like my third or third year. Y'all had to go crazy. Tom was in there chugging beers. I mean, it was the coolest thing ever. That's our most few episode by far. That's our most viewed episode.

That is? Yeah, 1.5 mil with Matt Lake. Jesus. There you go. You can see the top of games if you want. The 2008 AFC championship game is second for us. Yeah. Great one.

It's a little Patriot heavy, but those are elite games. Yeah. In the history of games. 28 to 3 is the best game. Glad I was a part of it. Unreal. Unreal experience. Kyle, we miss anything from this game?

No, no, we didn't. No, we got everything. Man, so we got the Kyle. Van, the Kyle Van Nuoy, Vailer Foundation. What is that? Valor. We're not reader guys. Yeah. Words or readers. We found that out really quickly. So my wife and I,

I'm adopted. My wife's dad and brother are adopted as well. So we work with foster care kids. June 9th is our golf tournament this year. All the pros. Where? Black Desert down in St. George, Utah. Oh, my. It's awesome. PGA course. I'll be waiting for a invite. Yeah. You're always invited.

But all the proceeds go to the holidays for kids that are struggling in the process. Whatever you, whether it's Hanukkah, Christmas, whatever it is. We just try to set them up for success during the holidays. Have awesome, awesome party at Real Salt Lake, their facilities. And we get to tour the facility and then do. you know, face painting the whole thing and have about 20 families. Sounds so fun for these kids. It's so fun for the kids.

And yeah, we'll be in there for that. Amazing. And also, Netflix is a joke. What is that? Yes. That's a golf tournament coming up. Sure would. May 4th.

I think I'm playing in that. Me too. I think I might be playing in that. I'm a beat your ass. You probably will. You probably will. Elite eats. You're a big eater.

What is this? Elite eats is back. I used to do a YouTube show. I was like one of the first players to do one back in the day when it was not allowed to do, especially with Bill. But who was the first? I don't know. I'm not sure.

Was it you with your, was it? Smoothie time. Smoothie time. I thought you were going to say, I thought you were going to plug your burger one. Burger time, but it wasn't the first.

It was after smoothie time. Smoothie time was crazy. And then we did smoothie tie with Shane, Marine. Good guy. He's a scout now. He's killing it. Killing it. But this elite eats YouTube.

I saw you. You go try awesome food. Yeah. Only elite food. And, you know, bringing it back. Our first episode is going to be with Fred Warner. That's my little brother. Love Fred Warner.

Hall of Fame or two. Excited. I'm going to do a bunch of others. And I'm excited to bring it back. And hopefully we'll start getting into different lanes. you know, comedy lane, actors, actresses, you know, want them to show off where they like to go eat, what they think elite food is, and get to chop it up just for like 20 minutes, half an hour, plug the restaurant, plug whatever they're doing and, you know, make it easy, fun, chop it up kind of like this.

Well, I'll wait for my invite on that too. Yeah, you did. You want to get into it now or wait. Yeah, we'll get it later. Substack. Substack. What is that? Oh, yes.

A new platform that's coming. coming out. I've really been diving into LinkedIn and substack. LinkedIn. I was able to visit their headquarters. Me and Mendoza were the first ones to interview at their headquarters and where we've kind of been like the ones that have been able to be while we're currently playing, being able to talk about our situations on the field and able to put it in business terms. So it's kind of opened up a lot a lot of doors that way. Substacks the same thing. Long form.

Love substack. We created this one more shot mentality. I feel like I've always had one more shot since I've been at birth, since being adopted. That's kind of been my mentality all the way through life. That's why I've been, that's why I've made it 12 years in the NFL. And then, you know, with whatever it is you got going on, whether it's on the field or off the field, it's just having that one more shot mentality

that you never know when it's going to come, but you always got to prepare for it. And I just do long form writing topics on it to be able to share my wealth and knowledge to the world. Amazing. He's such a veteran now. You know, that's such, he's just, you're just a wily old vet.

You know, you're great with the community. You're exploring different verticals of life. Yeah. You're still in the league. 12 in About to be 13 About to be 13 Bro, it's been great catching up

Yeah, been amazing I can't wait to keep watching you go Yeah Till next time, bubs Let's get it bubs Today's topic is What does an NFL Offseason look like for a player

I'll give you an abridged version So Usually you have time off after you are eliminated till about Coachella weekend. Okay, sir. The first Coachella, April 14th.

That's usually your like report date. I always remember that because I never went because it was our first week back. I was just going to say did you ever get to go to one? Never went because you know Coachella would have been too fun. Dude, hologram. You wanted to go in turning heads day one. Okay.

So you couldn't do that. At least I couldn't. So with that in your mind, you have to report the 14th. So when it was St. Patty's Day, that would be always like my last time. I get to go have fun. And then I would train like a month before.

Well, I'd be training before then, but I would tighten it up a month before we report. Then you report. And for the first six weeks, you have off-season program, which is training. So you get to the facility. There would be three different times you could go. There's run groups.

You have three different. run groups. And you'll run with the team for like the first three weeks. And then you lift right after the running are like forms of conditioning, change of direction work, the stuff that you saw Trey Hendrickson doing, pushing sleds, kind of getting you introduced into football movement. Three weeks of that. And then after that, you do that.

You have three weeks of phase two is four weeks or something where you do the same thing. you have those two, three groups, you can go run and after that you do your lift. And then after the run on field after week three, you can have like an hour coaching segment or period. Whatever time it is, it could be off. But like, so you'd start to install

certain things of the offense, the fundamental basics of the offense. So for receivers, I was a receiver, we would do started installing route trees. And, you know, you'd work 15 minutes with the receivers. Then you'd work 15 minutes with the skill group where the, you know, the tight ends, receivers, running backs, and the quarterback would come. And we would all call a play.

And we would work seven, eight plays. And you'd do it on air. And then you'd bring in the offensive line for the last 15 minutes. And you would do some kind of conditioning with that. So you do like a no huddle condition, but you're getting in reps. So that would be another four, six weeks. That's phase two of the offseason program. After that is done, you're introduced to organized team activities,

which you have like 15 of those so they can spread them out Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, or, you know, they'd give you a break usually, but you'd have three a week for like four weeks. And then you have your mandatory mini camp. Now when you're in the organized team activities, you have your lifts and you're in probably, what, seven o'clock till probably two o'clock. Not even. It could be even shorter than that because there's just like one install meeting that you have that's added into the organized team activities. So you do everything that you did before. Now you have like kind of like when you come to work, you meet with the coaches more in the OTAs, you start installing offense defense in certain phases of the special teams and special teams. So like, you know, one week,

you would do, you know, say the first week of organized team activities, I always remember we would always start in the red area. So as an offense, we would start our red area install the first day and they'd always say so you don't get the leg, the receiver's legs tired right away because you're not used to the running. It's less space. So we do the red area and then there would be kickoff for that week and kickoff return. So for that week, those three PRAs, those three OTAs, you always see the schedule of the OTAs on NFL network, Fox, you know, ESPN, you always see when they're meeting those three days. That's how they

do it. So then the next week, you'll, or it could be day two of that week, you go into the field and do first and second down. Oh, geez. All right. You already have red area in. Then you install first and second down on the field. Not in the red area because those are different strategies. Not backed up.

Those are different strategies. So usually, you know, the 20 up. So you can open up the playbook, start to incorporate some of the run and then bring in the play action. So you're working those. Then day three, you know, you can get into third down or, you know, you could just do those two. and then the following week, you could introduce third down,

certain situations, backed up, certain situations, two minute, four minute. Those different types, that's how those OTAs are. So then as soon as those 13, 15, whatever, how many OTAs they have are finished, you always hear about the mandatory minicamp. What's a time between those two? They could be in between them.

Oh, mandatory minicamp. mandatory manate camps up to the coaching staff on when they want to have it. Okay. So usually for us, we would do all our OTAs. And then we'd have a mini-camp week. And then we'd have maybe two more OTAs after that. Okay. But that would be like the infamous.

Like if we have a good last day, we'd cut you short and you guys only have to run. You know what I mean? Yeah. One of those team morale. If a lineman catches a pun. Yeah. That's training camp. But so like then O, mini camps is basically OTAs.

you're doing all that install, but you're doing a lot more of it, and it's mandatory. So, you know, you're introducing the NFL workday to these guys through OTAs, mini camps. And then after that's done, usually first week of June, second week of June, then you're off for six weeks until training camp. Now, in that time we are off, you get your traveling. You can do that before the Coachella date or, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You have those two months, three months after the season.

Those are usually the travel days, times guys are traveling, getting married, trying to have kids. Like those are the designated times. Trying to have kids or trying to have the kids come out. Try to have kids come out. Come out. Yeah. Hey, both. Both.

Yeah. But, like, that's why you always see guys at wedding. You know what I mean? Because that's the time off. And then once you get back, you're in. That's the real deal. We'll be right back after this quick break. Pride is like love.

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So those four to six weeks that you have after mini camp OTAs until training camp, it's the athlete's responsibility to stay in shape because you just had seven, eight weeks of offseason program into organized team activities into mini camps to get you the foundation to go into training camp. But a lot of guys fuck up and they go out and they take that time and, you know, go party this, that, and don't keep up with their running and then they come out of shape. So like that is the responsibility period. Now, you know, you're going to go out after the OTAs are done,

but, you know, you still got to get your work in. Oh, yeah. And, you know, that's where, you know, a lot of the haze made. Well, all you guys are partying, you're getting after it. Like, wouldn't work. I used to, don't get me wrong, I used to go out and have a good time. For sure. But the older I got, the less you did it.

Because you saw how, A, fragile the time was, because we were playing in so many late seasons, you know, either AFC championship Super Bowl, AFC championship Super Bowl, AFC championship Super Bowl, whatever it was, you knew how valuable that time was, A, to reboot your battery, B, bring something new, evolve your game, and see, heal up and get ready for the foundation

that you have to go into a real season with. So like, this is the time where, you know, some of those no-name guys that you may not know of because it was their rookie year and they were developing a role, they can take a step into becoming someone, you know, because you have the familiarity of the off season. If you're going into year two, year three, you know how to train your body to get the best results by that time.

You've had the data through two years or a year of doing it. Or if you're a rookie, you get in an actual time to think about football and not, you know, rookie season trying to get your times right, this, that. You get into a real NFL offseason. So, I mean, this is a huge part of being a professional athlete. You got to live, breathe, drink the game, you know. and, you know, everyone always talks about, like, well, when did you in, you know, Tom or or Gronk or any of the guys, when you have your own sessions, that would always be in that six

week off session. In June. In June. July 4th, we went a couple times to Montana. You know, like those times, those were the times where we would get together or, you know, rewind before, you know, like in that March time, I remember Tom, we used to throw a lot in those March times to get his arm going for the year.

I mean, there was a couple times in February, like he didn't stop. And so like, if I saw that from him as a young football player, I never really stopped. You guys were thrown in late February? I think there was March, March. He was always doing something. I figured.

You know, he had Alex on his arm always. It may have been in Costa Rica, it may have been somewhere else, but he was, you know, Tom was the ultimate, like, professional athlete body guy. Because he would play in the off-season. You know, you see, like,

the messies and those guys, like, Ronaldo, how he's always, like, lifting and his family time is predicated around his body, like, you know, I mean. I mean, that's why he's still playing at a high level. Honestly, like, was, because Tom would, he would play me entire off-season

before it even started, right? Like day by day kind? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like verbatim what it was, but he had his family time, but I can assure you when he was with his family doing his family things, you know, he's working. Now these pictures you see, these are all like prehab, intrinsic type things to get you faster, quicker, more explosive.

You see A, B on the Bozio ball flipped up inside down. A lot of guys will do that for ankles. You know, you strengthen your ankles. AB was a fiend. Like, E.B. was really good at all this offseason shit. Like, he was obsessed with it. And that's why he, like, you could say what you want. That dude used to work his tails off at, like, all this little shit.

You know, he had a lot of body guys. He'd always be working on his hands. He'd be working on his feet. He'd be, he'd have these little toe things in. Oh, shit. Like, that's how serious guys get. You know, OBJ doing beach workouts. That's really good for stability.

and your knees, your ankles, also works on your explosiveness. You look down here, you know, you got field work with probably a speed coach. You know, there's a lot of change of direction training where you're trying to make your body as efficient as possible. Like, because we are, if you're playing at this level, you're already like the most explosive, crazy athlete.

But you'd be surprised on how many guys don't do it correctly and are just so athletically can do it. And when you train yourself to get the technique right on when to explode, some guys just naturally do it, but you could train those things and get even more explosive. How many years in were you like,

oh, I got this off-season thing down? Never. You know, I mean, you just always change and doing new things. Got to evolve. You know, the very beginning part of the off-season for me, I would sit and watch all my film.

Every play I played in. From the whole season. whole season. Self scout practice. I just want to watch. And then I would, you know, you talk with your coaches, hey, what do you think I need to bring to this table when you have your exit meeting or whatever? You know what I mean? Even a little after that, I mean, I was there for a while. So I had a relationship with chatty-o and I would talk, you know, we would be in communication. But, you know, you get a figure, I, you know, and then then you also have other, you know, adversities. You know, sometimes you don't have an off-season because you're repairing.

a knee. You rehabbing groins. You're, you know, so like there's a lot. The off season always changes. You just got to go with the right mindset that you can't just waste your fucking time and like think that you're going to get better

doing nothing and like go travel the world. Like, yeah, go travel. Go do what you want. But remember, we're put on this fucking earth to play football at a very high level. And if you're not doing something, I guarantee there's fucking 20 other kids. that are trying to get your job that are

because I was that kid. I remember one off season I went and trained with Jerry's trainer, Jerry Rice's trainer and Jerry Jr. For like a few days, we went to foothill. And like,

Jerry used to run. I mean, I think I did pretty well on the workout. It wasn't crazy, but like, just like, you know, his warm up was 800s. Just, that was the warmup,

down back eight times. On the field? On a field. Wow. Just let the, and then we were doing like track workouts where we were doing like, I want to say 300s on the track.

Then we did some tire jump stuff. Then we ran routes after. It was like, you know, it was, that's, it was cool shit. How much,

how insane was it watching Jerry Rice run routes? He didn't, it was Jerry Jr. Okay. And Jerry's trainer. Okay, I didn't, Jerry wasn't out there.

I saw Jerry recently on, on social running up the chasing a dog or so. I'm like, this motherfucker's still running. Jerry never get caught from behind. Jerry, never get caught from behind. What a piece. What is,

I was trying to, man, now I'm thinking exit interview like, Jules, I know we're wrapping this up, but like pretend I'm you, you just balled out, had a great season. He caught,

we'll say you caught 90-something balls, I don't know. You go in, your Chetio right now, like, and I say, Chettyo, like, what do I need to work on me off season? What would he say?

Well, even if you bawled out, you know, you still had maybe a couple drops you still had you missed a couple no matter what there's always something to work on. Oh yeah.

He's not just me. Yeah, you're great. Simons. Certain routes that you may have went too quick on. You know, so it'd be stuff chatty would,

you know, hey look, great year. Fucking awesome. You know, but we could do this. I mean, they'd pull up.

up the numbers. Nice. Okay. So he was right. Yeah. It ain't come into this with no fucking with no nothing. Have fun see you next year. Yeah. None of that beat. Well, yeah, the off season. That's where this is I, this is the, I I miss the off

season almost as much as I miss playing. Wow. Because that was your alone time. That was your alone time to get yourself and I used to take it serious. I would go into I would go into fucking April 14th in shape. Like a lot of motherfuckers would come in out of shape and stuff.

I went in because I remember early in my career, I had to turn heads day one in order for the coaches to recognize me. I was just terrified. And I kept that. And I, you know, I mean, older you get, you couldn't run as much. But, you know, that time you have to yourself to work on it. And then when you get to see it against other people,

and you saw the work you put in was there and you see the progress that I loved that you got Houges coming in who was all young bringing in his energy and that was always a cool thing too

because you would go do your work and then you would see how the other guys were working measuring stick measuring stick you know and then you know a young Hogan came in and he was Hogan was like a gazelle workout warrior guy And I was always the rabbit It was me and Slate and Ebner

You know in the offseason Rex Rex Burkett He was always pretty you know In sexy recalette Brandon Bolden You know And I remember the first you know Offseason when Oggs came

And this guy was flying He you know he He signed him to a decent little contract And you know This was like his first big opportunity So he came in with the bang And it helped us all Because you know you got to bring up your game

even more. That rising tide lifting them boats. He got them long legs and we're doing them fucking bouts guy. Bout runs. You got to run three minutes and you got to get 780 yards. Jeez. Do you those right away? Nah, it's like a condition, one of the conditionings, but like

those, we're sprinters. Yeah. So those are hard for us. Because you got to stay an average like 16 miles an hour to get that. God. So and when you turn and stop and turn around, it's not like you're just going in a circle. You got to fucking rev down, rev back,

up, you know, and there'd be guys crying, me included on some of these, my back, my back. Oh, gosh. Last one, last one. I think I know the answer to this one. What was the longest amount of time you went in the offseason without doing something football related? Like, you know, by the end, I didn't even take time off.

I was just going to say, I didn't think it'd be. Really. Yeah. And it wasn't like super hard work, but it was like, like, Like, you know, I would go to exos just to catch balls or just to get my body moving. Penny in the jar, something every day. You know, you're just some kind of, like, some kind of, what is it? I forgot what is called?

Active Recovery. Okay. And I mean, where you're doing some kind of pool work, you're doing some kind of bike work, just to keep the legs moving. not working them, but keeping them, keeping them going. Because the older I got, like, when I was younger, I would go out, after like my first year, my second year, go out and it was like a tour to see all your friends

who were in like regular corporate life. You know what I mean? They're all like working and stuff. And you don't, you're doing your own time. You're doing your own stuff. So there's a lot of free time. It's your first time, not in college or anything. so like, you know, you go out and you get hammered

and you get so out of shape, it'd take you so long to get back in shape that I hate, I never wanted to do that again. I feel that better to keep up and catch up. Oh, what a game. Oh, Kyle. That's cool seeing you guys catch up. And we haven't seen each other in a long time.

It's always nice when someone can corroborate or, you know, poke some holes and do the stories that you tell often here. That was the first day, first off. It wasn't week three. it was day number one. I specifically remember. And I lit his ass up on a rub.

Okay. Legal. So what you're supposed to do in that route. Because he was going to try to get James in the backfield. Said, let me get this. My do. What my duty? You're supposed to do, baby?

Within a yard. He's such, but he's such an instinctive football player. I mean, you watch him from this point said a bowl game. That's how he played in the league. Literally. He's in different spots. That's how we used them. it was cool to see how much, you know,

it's cool to see how little someone, how it's cool to see how little something that came out of bill meant to guys. Oh, it's insane. That's that kind of aura he had. And it's also a pretty telling of what an insanely good coach, Scar is that he was an offensive line coach. And when you said Best Scott, Scar immediately,

guy was on the other side of the bike That's incredible It's so cool that he said that Because I always talk about Remember The difference between a good coach And a bad coach And I gave that specific example

Where literally You can hear how Scar would say Hey you put your left hand Under his chest plate You drop your weight You give that one cat Like is he had all of all the techniques And what you do to win

I know instead of just saying We got to do better Yeah Oh more faster Yeah like That's what separates the good from the great man that's incredible. Scar,

put him in the Hall of Fame. Put him in the Hall of Fame. He's definitely. And he's done so much for the sport of football. People don't realize he started at UOP. University of Pacific, which had an insane, if you look at those, I think there's some like insane coaches

that came out of there. Gruden came out of there. I want to say, who else came out of? Did Walt? No. Pacific? Yeah, University.

Pete Carroll was a Pacific guy. Pete Carroll. There's got to be some good ones. UOP. Who else? Scott Boris went there. Jamie Lee Curtis, Pete Carroll. Dave Bruback, they got a big jazz school

at the University of Pacific. Who else? Gruden was it? Tom Flores. Not who went there, who coached there. Oh. While Jack's looking up, they're using the new show of the rooster

with Steve Carroll. With Steve Carrell. It's like supposed to be at a New England college. They film a lot of it there. And I was shocked because it looks very New England. They make it look at all. UOP.

Yeah. So Chuck Shelton, Walt, Walt Harris, Bob Cope, Bob Toledo, Chester Cetus, Homer Smith,

Doug Scoville, Don Kempor. Now we're back in the 60s head coaches for the university. Gruden there? Maybe he was in a non-head coach. Yeah. What coaches coached at?

There's like, there was like a huge group of guys that have coached there, I want to say. More am I tripping? No, you're not. I'm just trying to find the exact list. Pete Carroll, Tom Flores, John Gruden, Huge Jackson, Bruce Cossett, Buddy Ryan, and Mike Martz.

Pretty darn good for a school of the size of Pacific. Dante Scarnicchio, Brad Seeley, Ed Donnell, Greg Robinson, Ron Turner. Pete Carroll was just a student there, just a play there didn't coach there. John Gruden was there in 89.

Mid-80s, grad assistant, Hugh Jackson was there, late 80s. Tom Flores. Derek Eckerson was late 70s, assistant Bob Toledo head coach, later UCLA head coach. Yeah. Jim Moore was an assistant in the 60s,

senior, not junior. Greg Olson played there. Greg Robinson. Defensive coordinator for Broncos during two Super Bowl wins. Go Tigers. Look at that. You'll be.

I know some guys that were on the jazz department, University of Pacific. Fun fact. It has a good jazz department? Yeah, because Dave Brubach went there. And I think since then it's kind of become a jazz school. I didn't even know what UOP was. It's in Stockton, right? Yeah.

It's that area for sure. They had UC Davis over there. That was always an agriculture school, like all the farmers and stuff, I think, farm tech. history of me and you do a whole episode on the history of coaching it Pacific you know Sacramento they say it's Sacramento and Stockton it's like they might have some stuff around both yeah sack uh three things before we wrap with the show one we got to get Stefan Gilmore on the show you got to get Gilly and now he's retired so and I've been talking with gilly yeah when he's in town he should get him he's been he just moves different yeah two is we've

pronouncing point ceta wrong it's point sietta no what is it point cedia point cedia who's been pronouncing i've been pronouncing it wrong oh you guys have been i said i've been i saidie all the time i thought i was always saying point ceda yeah yeah whatever point ceda i always thought um mischievous mischievous i always pronounced it mischievous but it's i guess it's mischievous oh that's a that's a tomato tomato i don't think it is mischievous yeah how do you see it's all day i know that's what i always said but then What's that place called in the south of France? Is it con or can?

I think it's can. Tim had a film that was in there. What was it? Say it? Can. What will Johnny Drama say? That's what you got to think. People who want to sound like they're saying it French.

Yeah. Can. Yeah. Can. I have one more thing. What do you have? Gone forever. B.

You. Soking. We didn't ask them about that. Yeah. I was, I was being a gentleman. I couldn't get too Mormon on it. He is a Mormon.

Right. I think. But I don't know how like, I don't, you know, I don't want to get into it. But Jim McMahon being in his Mount Rushmore is a little. That was pretty good. Winking a nod. That was pretty good. I mean.

Is Jim McMahon Mormon? No. No. That was the thing. He was like an Irish guy out there. Irish Catholic guy. Yeah, McMahon. Yeah.

From, uh, where's he from again? I should know this. I want to say like somewhere in the Northeast. Yeah, Jersey. He's a Jersey guy. Oh, my God. God. Out there, man.

He looks like a jersey. So cool. Dude. All time, man. Just absolutely slanging that thing. Jimmer, I like the Jimmer mention. I wanted to ask him

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Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty.

Yeah. pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it

one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. How about the jimmer treatment? Vanuyn. We're not even going to class? Unbelievable.

Too big? His advisor said he was failing, so maybe he didn't have to go. You actually were supposed to go. You don't get the jimmer. You didn't have that treatment. You need to go. Oh, that was hilarious. So he said, yeah, so you're like the big guy, the big man on campus?

Yeah, I was. Dude, damn right. So I forgot about that, that we traded Jamie when he got there. Yeah, that must have been tough. And everyone was like, damn, this guy. It was like a holy shit moment. Now, I, Jules, not to, I mean, I know. Not to pry here, but like, was Jamie Collins that well loved in the locker room like

I mean, we won a Super Bowl and like, he came in with High and, and McCordie. They all came in like kind of near those same time. McCordy was like the first with the 10 and then I think Hi and Jamie were both 12. Yeah. You know what I mean? No, no, that makes sense. You build a lot of sweat equity with a lot of guys, you know, so I could see that scenario being very well true. No, I'm with him.

That's more on the defense. Yeah. I was more in the offense. We were still like, Jamie, where where the fuck is he going? But, you know, Jamie outplayed the contract. You know what I mean? And he wanted to get paid. Insane athlete.

I remember exactly where I was when Jamie Collins got traded. The Cleveland, right? Yeah. We were hanging at your house and Marty Bennett was there. And the reason why I remember is because he was eating pizza backwards. And I'll never fucking forget it. He would only eat the crust. And he said his wife would eat the middle of the pizza.

I just, I can never, I think about that often. It's a good team player. That's a good team player. That's a good husband. That's my, that's my Roman Empire. That's a little Marty Bennett eats his pizza. I miss Marty. You know what I did? He's like, he's gonna be on the show. You know what I was?

He's not been on. His brother, but not him. Marty ain't never been on. Oh, crazy, right? Gotta get Marty being here. I thought he was already on. We've talked to, he's been in games we've covered. I mean, of multiple teams. What about, hey, here's a question I had during the show.

We don't have to name names here. We're talking about guys, you buddy. lead up with who big bro, who'd you click with. And of course, Slate came up. Did Slate have any ops? What do you mean? Like, on the team. Like, was there anyone that, like, Slate just never got on there?

Oh, opponent, like, an op. Yeah, your opposition. Yeah, you guys are onk, bro. Like, where there are any of those, like, these guys, Slate and him got beef, never worked out. I don't know if Slate, Slate doesn't, I don't think, hated anyone. I was going to say, because he's the nicest guy ever. If there was, like, a guy that came on that was,

maybe a knucklehead, you know, he would frown upon knuckleheadery. You know what I mean? I'm with that. But like the guy that was knucklehead would even act straighter around Slate. Right.

That's the value of Slate. That's the standard. Yeah. So like, Slate was kind of like the team chaplain. Oh, yeah. Even though we had guys

and we had chaplains and fathers and rabbi. all had, you know, in the team coaches. Yeah. Team rabbi. Yeah. That was Julian.

Rabbi Hamilton, dog. Shout out. All right. Let's wrap this. That was awesome. I loved Kyle. He was the man. Also the year 13 loading.

Let's go. Cietta bowl. Wincedia. Pincetia. Went left and now it's back. Oh yeah. Yeah. A little hiatus.

Let's go. We need it. That's one of those classic bowl games, man. You don't name it after some corporate fond. You name it after a flower. After a commodity. It went away because San Diego wanted to focus on the holiday bowl, which also had... Yeah, I forgot about the holiday bowl.

Yeah. You got your roses. You got your cotton. You got your oranges. Yeah, but... There's the orange and tangerine bowl. Tangerine, yes. You know, I'll tell you right now.

Clementine. They have no team is in San Diego no more. I know. RIP, man. So they... Hey, put some respect on the Aztec's name. So they got a... But still, I mean, like, pro teams...

That's right. That brings in revenue. They're probably like, damn. We need to get that revenue back. let's get two bowl games out here I miss Qualcomm, dude Is Qualcomm still there? They need to put it in a state

They don't play anything. San Diego needs to have a team, man. They really do. I don't know if it's still standing. I want to say no. I thought, I just remember the Chargers fans. They love it. Demolished.

2020, 2020, 21. What they put there? Because the new one, the Snap Dragon, I don't know if it's on the same side or not. Snapcrock. I'm on. I was the one of they were having like heat strokes out there

because there's like absolutely no coverage. I'm on. Google aerial view. Oh, adjacent. It looks like here. It was built adjacent to where it's a empty parking lot. It's now the orange lot for the Snapdragon Stadium. What's the Snapdragon? That's the corporate sponsor.

Snapdragon is Where the San Diego State. What do they do they're in Snapchat? San Diego State plays there? There's also San Diego FC. There's an MLS team. Okay, that's cool. Oh, Qualcomm Snapchat Processors, high performance ARM-based systems on chip, SOCs, powering smartphones, tablets, windows, laptops,

integrating CPU, GPU, and AI capabilities. The MLS, is it growing? Oh my God. Yeah. Talking about Major League Soccer? Yeah. I mean, there's talk of Namar joining Cincinnati. Yikes.

That'd be insane if you got Namar to Cincinnati. Can you imagine NamUs sitting down at a skyline chili? Unbelievable. Or Gold Star. Or Gold Star. Namar. Which are you? Yeah.

Gold Star guy. You're a skyline guy. I mean, he does kind of strike me as a gold star guy. Yeah, we saw Namar yesterday in Kentucky. He was over,

just over the bridge. Yeah, he's over there hanging out. He probably had like a horse ranch or something. Oh my gosh. That would be something. 2026, man. That's out.

Shout out. Never thought I'd see it. Man, that was a fun episode. Go down that memory lane. Thanks again to Kyle Vanoy. Check him out on all those things he's got going. He got bunch of things in the bio.

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