Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Lawrence Guy Shares Patriots Stories and Breaks Down 2018 Divisional Round vs. Titans

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

Lawrence Guy is in studio! The Super Bowl winning D lineman is with us to chop it up about an all-time Patriots playoff performance, that's right we're getting into the 2018 AFC Divisional Round game against the Tennessee Titans. We also get into what it's like anchoring a defensive line, his best Bill Belichick stories, and a whole lot more.  (00:00) We kick things off. (49:00) We go back to 2018. (1:12:12) We check out these rosters. (1:24:15) We dive into the game. (1:38:03) We score it. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and to subscribe to Games with Names. Let's get into it. Let's go. Games with Names, a production of IHeart Radio. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the 2017 AFC divisional round Titans versus the Patriots with the one and only,

the journeymen, but who retired a patriot, Lawrence Guy. Lawrence, L.G. In one sentence. Why did you pick this game? Why? Because this is a, when you have Derek Henry as one of your top running backs in the NFL and has been there for years, and I'm a, uh, we all know, I'm not a pass rusher.

I wish I was, but I got paid a lot differently. I'm a run stopper. And when you pick this game, you'll see we held them all the way down to those rushing yards. And all of a sudden, you'll see me disappear. And when you see me not in the game, that means I did my job. What is that job? Stop the run. Stop the, the, uh,

Run. L.G. Is this the greatest game of all time? No, the greatest game all time. It's got to be the Super Bowl games. But this is one of them. This is one of them. Let's be honest.

Like, we stopped the running into Super Bowl, too. I mean, which one? 18? 18, 19? 18. I mean, we stopped a whole lot of everything in that 18 Super Bowl. Yeah. The other year, like, we just, I wasn't, I had a bicep, you know.

some stuff. Yeah, we were, the other one, we were, yeah, you know, 17 after this. Yeah, you know. This was different. But this was a great game, foundational game. Yes. I'm excited to get the inside look of it. Now, what are you up to these days, LG? I got new twins. Twins. New twins. New twins. Identical? No. Paternal. No, that makes six for me. Six. This guy's got a basketball team. Bill of Rivers numbers, maybe. Let's go. Hey, six under nine. I'll off my hair because of them. Not genetics. You didn't have the hair when I was playing with you. I had some.

Okay. You did have a little. Yeah. You know, I had a little peach fudge right here. That's why I cut it. Look at like Uncle Phil. You know what they say?

They said, hey, look, I got a little beard right here. They tried to grow a little hair right there. I had a little hair right here. Did that just pop into my head, Uncle Phil? A hundred percent. We all used to call you Uncle Phil. I forgot about that. No.

That's popping in your head. You just made it up right now. Did I make that up? You made up right now. I just felt like it was there. I felt like this is how it was in the training room with you. What are you talking about? You went in there this randomly saying.

I was like, hey, I was like, what did he say? Did let it be? They're like, Joe's just on. And like, yes, he is. Oh, my God. So you have twins. You have six kids. You're enjoying retirement.

Are you watching ball these days? Of course. You got to watch it. You got to watch who's developing in the league. And on top of that, how the league is expanding in the way they are globally and how they are with talent. Like back in the day, you could have a handful of people that were really good on the team. Now you've got like a bunch. It's just coming.

Diamond dozen. Like people at 6, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6,000, running 4 or 4s, ain't no 540s anymore. Ain't no 640s anymore. People are moving. It's more physical. Let me phrase that. And ain't more physical because they soften the game up. Yeah.

But there's freak animals out in this game. And it's surprising to see how they. they're moving and performing. And when you see those hard hitting teams, it kind of pops out a lot. You know, that's what the generation before ours was saying about us. And the generation before that was saying about the,

I mean, it's just evolution. The athlete is better. I'm watching this World Cup right now, and these guys are all fucking monsters. Messi's 39 years old, still running 28 miles an hour. What is going on?

What are they feeding these people? Must be those IV treatments they be doing. Regardless. Who in the NFL right now in the league? What defensive run-stopping linemen have you fell in love with? Oh, God. You know what? I'll be honest with you.

Like Vita Vaya has been one of those cats that... Just by mass? He just... By mass ability. He has that helloity field to him. Oh, I love him. Because it's like a Giseld is running around. This is what people don't understand.

When you get a person that's 350, 360, that... That's athletic. On a slim day. Oh, my God. It's impressive. It's like the old school BJ Raji. It was very impressive how he was doing it. Shout out Rombrace, same draft class.

It's just impressive. And he's moving. I'll never forget. I think it was last year or the year before just doing a preseason game. And all of a sudden he had gloves on and they just pissed him off. He took the gloves off and ran the center all the way back. I said, like, this is what happened when you piss off a big guy. Yeah.

Like, he's just going to sit there and assure you. I know he's going through his own contract situation, but it's worth it. That's not, no longer, it's a run-solver. He could pass rush. He could do everything. I saw my man dropping coverage. Yeah. I don't know if he's going to get an interception, but still impressive you could do that.

Who's that big white boy on Denver? What's his name? Oh, God. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do. What's his name? Do, do, do, hold on. We got him.

I know exactly. 99. Because they got Cooper in. What's his name on the edge? Yeah, DJ Jones, Zach Allen. Zach Allen. Zach Allen. BC guy, BC guy.

BC guy. Another BC guy. What's up with BC? Limeon, lokey, lineman, you. A little bit. I mean, what's your thoughts on the whole Miles Garrett going to L.A. and potentially getting the big dog out of retirement.

Bro. See, what do you do? And this is my thought process behind it. One, Miles Gary just went to a way better situation. way better I was in Ohio girlfriends in the city everything contending team oh god he's going love it about to have Olympic kids no no other buddy I feel for you went from L.A. to to Ohio I got to feel bad for verse but he's going to be rich he's going to be rich he's going to be very rich he's going to be

miserable he's still young I mean yeah our guy miles been he's been in jail for a minute so he's going to come out he's going to have a great time he's going to dominate but the thing is what do you do Do you ask Arandall to come out of his retirement the first couple of weeks, or do you see how the season is going? Because you still got to develop around Miles Garrett and see who's going to compliment him on the field. Because we all know that you got a pass trust, you've got to figure something else to lock it down. And when you look at the Rams last Super Bowl with Aaron Donald when he won it,

look at the first half. He didn't play the way he was used to. He was like, look, I'm going to play super fundamental football. I'm going to lock it down to make sure they ain't going to run. They ain't going to do this. They ain't going to create the gap. then all of a sudden in the second half he turned that thing on. They're like, what is this?

It's like he was just waiting and buying this time. So do you do the same thing? Wait that six months. I mean, six weeks to see how the team's developing. Then, hey, we're going to get you out of here possibly. We're winning or are we losing because you don't want to bring them back. And then you're losing. Now six weeks into it, you got a good record if you're winning.

You can have a good record. You can have a good record. Then you put them both together. It's like when they did him and Sue, you put them both together. It's just going to be disruptive. Now, think about it. They got a team to win. Yeah, right now.

We got to ramp somebody up. You got to ramp them up. How hard is it? How old is it Aaron Donald right now? What is he? 36? No, like 34? Yeah, I think it's 33.

35. 35? 35 in May. Yeah. He's still in shape, right? He could be. Football shape is different. That's what I mean.

Football shape is different. But he's Aaron Donald. He's a generation of player. Yeah. He's going to swim move everybody for sure. There's only been, what, three people that have you seen in the last 15 years that could swim a double team and be fast enough to get into the backfield? Yeah.

Like, let's be honest. Him, JJ, like, those are the two people who are doing, Clowny was doing it for a while. Like, if you were doing it, or swimming the double team, like, Jerry McCoy didn't really swim double teams like that. No. Like, they're over here doing stuff that is very different.

But can he swim double teams two years out, off the couch, retirement life. 100%. I mean, he is that good. He's got to get something behind him. Like, hey, understand what's going to happen. We got one person over here that's capable of doing it, and we have another person.

Your job is to protect them. Because both those, who's the other D-N on the Rams? He's very good as well. He had 11 sacks last year, I believe. Young? Kobe Turner. Turner? And then, yeah, Byron Young.

Byron Young. Young had 11. How many have, how many sacks do you have last year? 12. 12. I thought he had 11. Yeah. He's going to have more production

because the whole line's going to be sliding to fucking miles. Correct. Then if you put Aaron Donald back in there in like, say, week eight, week nine, then you're putting in a whole other animal there. Like, who do you block?

You got to block somebody. That's, I mean, I would definitely. And that's during the time when the league kind of switches over to that more running style. You get into those later weeks. Yeah.

Early weeks, everybody's trying to pass in the ball around figuring out there. We've got to see what they are. Yeah. Like what I say, you started filming the first three games? Not really because they're going to throw stuff out there. But after those three games, we got all this film to look at. Now we can get their characterizations of what's going on. Definitely.

Then we're like, okay, bring them back. Do this. Who are you going to slide to? Who are you going to rush? Are you going to run the ball? And not that many good running backs nowadays? Shula, can he handle all this talent? 100%.

I mean, how can you not? Not, right? If you got that name. If you're trading people in and you're bringing it in, of course you do. You know what you're getting into. Man, so Rams are they your pick? Yeah. Right now.

Right now the Rams are everything. They've done everything. You see what they did in the draft. They're telling you right now. They're shooting for the stars right now. They're like, look, we need to get them in. And if you get that, like, no, we've seen some stuff, though. We've seen teams not make it.

Like I was in... 07? I was in Green Bay. I got drafted the Green Bay. What? They were undefeated set for the last game. When they sat, that would have been 11-12. Yeah.

So the lockout year. They sat the half the team, we lost it in that last game, went to the to the buy week, going into the playoff, play the Giants, and lost. Yeah. Going in a half-time, they threw a hell marry. 15-1. crazy that year. Yeah, they were through a hell Mary going in a high time and made it.

We were like, oh, we lost it. Also, those Philadelphia teams back with Donovic McNabb, T.O. Where they went to four, they went to four NFC championships, right? Like, they were a super team. But McNabb was

like... He was a beast. And he was big and fast and it could throw the ball. And he had so much talent. They had the, who was the running back? What's his name? I used to loved that team. They had two running backs, a little jitterbug one. Brian Westbrook. Brian Restbrook. Remember Brian Westbrook? I loved Brian Westbrook. They had Curse on defense. They had a good corner too. I forgot that. A curse was, was everything back then.

Dude, he was a freak. He was a monster. I mean, it had Sproles too. Sproles. Now, what are your thoughts on the Patriots moves this offseason? I think they needed a wide receiver. And they think they needed too and they did that. They needed to draft or nothing lineman. You got Moses on your right tackle. He's getting older, but he can help develop.

I feel like that attitude he brings into that system when he came in last year kind of what helped the young guys. Campbell's is, it's a long season. So he, like they got him in the Super Bowl.

Like, it's a long season. People don't realize he had, he was coming off a month injury going into the playoffs as a, as a, as a Bambi. He's a, he's a baby.

And you had another. the rookie right there. Like he ain't never, he's never experienced playoff speed, let alone, you know, so like, then he comes back and his first game's back, he's in the goddamn playoffs. But these guys are going to tee off on them every time. Nobody talked about

that, though. No one talks about that. Think about that. Nobody talks about. But that's great experience if you use it right. Yeah, because you got, you get preseason speed. Yeah. You got a regular season speed. Yeah. Then you got playoff speed. And I never get and you got training camp speed. Those, those, those playoffs speeds get faster and faster, too.

Oh my God, it's amazing because as a Dean Lyman, you'd be telling young guys coming in, they'd be like, hey, this is training camp speed. Like, what does that mean? I said, if you have a good relationship with the guy next to you, you ain't going to go full force, you're going to calm it down this work technique. I said, but when you get into the preseason, it's going to kick up a little bit. I said, now if you're in the preseason in the second quarter and the third fourth quarter, it's going to kick up a little bit more.

I said, try to make teams. Trying to make teams. And once you get to regular season, you're like, what was all this during training camp? I was holding it because I can't burn myself out. Then everybody's all tired during the December. Oh, gee, your brother-in-law in it, huh? Oh, 100%. That's what they call that right there.

Defend that for us. Yeah, all listeners, they call that the old brother-in-law. When you sit back right before the rep, you look at the other guy at the eyes, hey, buddy, you know, hey, let's take it out right here. I put my hand in the girl. But they have to do an acting job. So they're actually acting like they're going hard, but they're not. is fucking the biggest bullshit brother-in-law.

Me, Marcus Cannon and Shaq Mason had a full understanding. Oh, Shagdad. Go on, Shaq. Into the 18 season. It was, I was like, hey, bro. I'm like, I know it's a double team. I can read it. They're like, yeah.

I said, let's not do this this year. I'm off bicep surgery. He got the neck. I'm like, okay, we didn't make it look good. Then I'm like, hey, bro, how many reps you got? They're like, oh, I got 15. and I said, I got a half because Bill wants to be this way.

Let's just make this look good. I said, a couple hard steps. If you win, you win. If you don't, cool. But Jane going to blow me off the ball. And I'm not trying to super pass rush because I'm not a pass rush. We got you.

We had a full conversation. It's like the planning of a WWB match backstage with the rest of the rest of it. Full. Yeah, full. Which is complete opposite of how we were at the skill group. You had to go.

Like we're one-on-one. fucking Braveheart. We got guys with fucking flags and shit. Our coaches are fighting. Like, it's literally Braveheart. We got to do release drills. Guys are getting hemmed up. You're getting an elbow here.

There could be a pre-practice fight. I mean, it's fucking, it's bullshit. The only time we had to go full speed was half-line. Half-line was 9-on-7. Texas drill, 9-on-7 and goal line. That's the

only time we had to really go. Now, I'm not saying that. Now, granted, the linemen, we hit every day. They hit every day. And also, they note, like, there's a way to practice in the national football league. Correct. So, like, if you got some wild-ass kid on the D-line, offense line, and guys are on the fucking ground, that is how guys get hurt. And that's what we don't want, especially in practice prepping for a game.

So, like, it's not, they're not necessarily always. brother-in-law, but they know the burst. They call it thud. You guys, you hit and you go and once it gets to a place where someone can get hurt, we choke it down. Yeah. So that's what it is. You never dump somebody in practice. Can't dump someone. You don't run them back.

Can't cut someone. Like you'll see on a quick game protection sometimes, you'll see the O-Liman. They love it because they'll go, hey, I'm cut. They just say cut. And like, one of these guys will fucking knock the ball. ball down, the offensive coach, and we'll start yelling at the defensive coach.

What the fuck is that? We can't cut him. This guy's bitching at this guy. Fucking Tom's getting mad. The equipment kids getting yelled at because the ball got spiked over there. I mean, it's... So 19 bills are a defensive coordinator.

Let's just be real. He was. And I'll never forget in that meeting. Lawrence, what are you doing? He cut me. What do you mean? He cut me. He said...

LG, there ain't no fucking way. You got cut five times in a row. I said he did. He said it. Look. He put his hand out. He cut me. He went to the offense and I stopped doing the fucking cuts and block him.

In every single practice, I said, he cut me, bro. He said, you got to just fucking around and being tired, huh? We got to hit the hill? No, he just cut me. I don't know what to tell you. I said, it's a protection. And he swear to God, he said, the next person that gets cut and bashed that damn ball down. He said, I'm going to sit you on the lap.

And that's exactly what happened. As soon as you cut me, technically we have to weigh about three seconds because that's how long it takes you get off the ground. You can just go back. We're counting Mississippi's here in the goddamn fucking in a pro football practice. Three Mississippi people are getting up.

It goes, what the fuck are? Two. All right, we can go pursuit. And then we're smacking balls. And we got linemen fighting, you know. The intercacies. Those little in-law, like those little in-laws of sport practice. Nobody talks about, but it's hilarious.

I can't believe you remember that. Or the cut thing. The cut thing was great. This guy's over here saying, ball gets knocked down. Josh is yelling at fucking Flo, and Flo's yelling at Bill. Bill's yelling at this. Bill's laughing, twirling his thing, like, ah. He loves it because you know, the knee brace thing for us, right?

Yeah. We had to wear knee braces. Always. And somehow, someone. way, I thought in my mind, I could put black tape on. Oh, no. And I was like, I'm going to put black tape on. So I'm pulling black tape on. And I'm like, okay, we

run out. He started to walk through early. I have this roll of black tape going down my leg. They're looking at me just like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, bro, it's my knee breaks. It's the roll of tape is on your leg still. I'm like, are we really practicing

today, though? Like, are we really going to do this? And this is not a chill day? guy who hasn't been around comes in thinks you got a fucking pieces of a piece of tape. We had to stop practice so Lawrence guy can go get his fucking his goddamn braces on. Get the knee braces out. If you go look. And you do this with receivers if the knee pad wasn't over the knee. Oh my gosh.

Or thigh pads if you didn't have your thigh pads in which let me tell you something right now. Someone hits your goddamn knee or thigh with these little fucking pads. It ain't doing shit. It ain't doing anything. You know what I mean? But that was like his thing. He loved, like he'd send LG. You don't got any pads, your knee pads to I kill back in.

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This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be, and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it'll be hilarious too, because you know those little, them in the red protector pads? Yeah. Well, those were my pads on my legs. And I was like, they don't do nothing. And I remember we was talking to something.

I was like, look, if we all don't go out with knee pat or knee braces and we just wear these, we should be good. He can't send us all back in. Oh. Oh, no, no. He's like, Brandon, don't get there a goddamn knee braces. And we're all sitting there. He's like, what are we going to do? He's like, we're going to do Texas now.

I'm like, bro, over to some knee things. Then he put the don joids on us in like 20. I died on this horse. I said, look, I'm not wearing these don joids. Like, I can't perform any big on knee. Don joys are like the actual custom brace. They're like $1,000. dollar braces.

Great for protection, but it's very hard for these guys to move in them. And I told them. I said, look, I said, and I was arguing with him. It was me and David Andrews. I'm like, look, I said, D. Lyman, what about athleticism, right? And that's what we are hard on. Dean Limeon more athletic than offensive lineman.

I said, this kills my mobility and moving. He said, I understand that, but it's going to protect your ACL. I said, well, if my ACL goes in practice, we ain't practicing, right? And people are on the ground. He said, but what happens to something that's happening? I was like, that's this way of football. Then all of a sudden, those gray daddy sweatpants came on. I was like, look, for two years, you go look at training,

he kept on wearing sweatpants. I didn't have to lose weight. I took off the pants. I said, look, I'd rather sit here in a hundred degree weather and sweatpants and wear these knee braces. It was just the sweatpants and that's it. And every single time, Bill twirling, a little whistle at me, looking, looking at, Mo's just our trainer.

I was like, you think he has his pads on? And Mo be like, don't go over there. I feel like, I don't got him. I said, I'm not going to put them on, bro. And I threw him in a... I got four of him in a place to throw him in a trash can. So what did he do? He'd send you in every time.

After the great daddy went on, he left me alone. He knew it. We all knew it. Nobody else could do it, though. It was just mean sweatpants. He was like, well, it is what it is. Fucking defense is to do whatever they want. I get bitched that for wearing a red glove.

Because you could see a holding. This guy ain't even wearing goddamn knee braces. Let's just be honest. The red gloves kind of saved you in the AAC championship. For holding in the red? No, not for that ball that hit the ground. Oh, yeah, they did. The ball to hit the ground.

No, they touched the glove. Yeah, yeah, we know. Are you talking about AFC championship? AAC championship. I didn't touch it. We threw a pick the next play. We didn't touch it. We didn't.

I wish we did. We didn't pick the next play. We threw a pick the very next play. No, we did. Yeah, we did. Two plays later. There we go. That's not the next place.

Two plays later. Thanks. But you guys understand. A pick is way better than being in our red zone. This is true. And I remember seeing that clip. No, they had a return back to like where it happened.

So I'm just telling you. It was so much better than that. It doesn't matter. Everyone brings up that. Oh, you touched. It doesn't matter. We threw a fucking pick two plays later.

It matters for defense because it's a momentum. You're like, bro. You're like, okay, we're good. Oh, no, it definitely matters for defense.

Because I've never that year I tore Patelow. But I'm talking about like from the other side. The other side didn't matter for you. It doesn't matter for us though. No, it definitely matters for you guys. I'm like, that's passionate my homes. I'm like, bro, this is already hard. I tore Patela that game.

You guys weren't like, bro. You guys were holding them too. You guys were owning them in the first. If you have any look at that game, like I hurt my knee because Dante High Tower threw his guy into my leg as I'm trying to throw a guy to the ground. Lake throws. You know how that goes. And I was like, oh, you got me, bro.

You know what's wrong? I said, you got me. I was like, is this payback from concussing you a couple years ago? You're like, no, no, no. I said, it's payback. I knew it. It's all in your eyes. You were going to do this to me.

And all of a sudden, all that being said, they're on their red zone. I couldn't plant technically on my leg. And all of a sudden, I misread it, put my leg down, the offensive line, and threw me five yards to the side. Touchdown. We get the ball back. touched them over time. I said, well, I said,

if I were to stop them that point, we would have bled the clock how we could never would have done it. I put that play, me getting my ass, what a reason why we won that play? What do we call that? We call that, what's the must score situation?

Let them score? Is it Rolex? If one is Rolex, one is Highway, there's so many of them. I'm saying we call them Rolex. We call it on offense. The offensive side of it be Rolex. I think that's the same thing for us.

Times more important than points. Just let them go. That's for us. It would be to not score. For them, we got to pull them into the end zone. Let them score. Whatever cause,

you got to pull them in. What's the biggest situational football fact thing you learned at the Patriots? Because you've been on a bunch of different teams. When you came there, what was something that's like,

man, that's different? Cuatro. Casual situation. It was just one. Quattro. Like, look, either game is it three point play or a six point play you got to figure that out and then like if we

could prevent the six point play take the three point play what's a three point play and what's the six point play three point play is field goals hit point point touchdown you got to figure it out where you got to go and like this these are situations and I could have said that all that wrong but these is a situation where if we're in it in a field going range do not let them get into a position to get a touchdown keep them in this field going range we'd rather give up three point points than six points. So how does Quatro bring it come in this?

Shit, I don't know. So Quatro, you guys are you're calling a different defense? No, that's just the terminology where we at. Oh, Quattro's where we're at. On, like, look, 3.6 point.

Don't give up a penalty. Don't jump off size. Don't hold. Don't do anything. Just keep them in field, go range. We don't want the six points. And that's what one knows is like we don't want the six point at all.

We just want them three points. points because we had faith that the offense would go down. We had a kicker. We could kick the field goal and we had a quarterback that could get it in. It's the same thing. Like, hey, if we look at the clock, we're down by a touchdown or we're down by three points and give it the time to ball in two minutes. Do whatever it takes to give him in two minutes because we have either timeouts

or burn and he's a situational football so we understand how to get there and get it back. Or one of those, like, look, how many seconds we got on the clock? If we stopped them on a fourth down, if four for one, we get that stop, we had to make sure that there was 40 seconds left on the clock. Because we have faith that we could get down there, kick a field goal, or score touchdown. So everyone on defense is aware of that market. Everybody, because you start yelling on the sideline.

You mean to tell me J.C. Jackson knew everything. I don't know, man. And they'd be yelling on his sidewise. I think you just guys, yeah, you cover him. that too that too you got to say that too but it's one of those situations

like on offense you understood like look if we score fast enough and we get out of bounds it's the same thing we'll give them opportunity yeah the same thing like hey understand we have we have to play sideline football

or we letting them go in it's just all these factors and that Dean lineman we don't have to learn a lot let's just be honest our menus like this and it came to one year that me and Bill was talking.

He said, how do you feel about the plays? I was like, they're showing them down a little bit more because it was just too much going on for the group that we had. But once you understand the knowledge in the situation was going on, who's running the ball, who's the quarterback, who's their kicker, can he make the field goal ranges,

can we mess them up doing this, can we protect our kicker on the field goals, which was very easy? And can we get Tom with enough time on a clock to make sure we did we did it so we try to get no penalty we try to do no mental error he tried to do nothing that'll hurt the team and then as we said before most people ain't worth three penalties no we found out the hard way who who just came on and said uh gronksworth it had him and kyle it was it was kyle it was kyle it was kyle said gronk is

worth three penalties yeah oh my god he's right he's right you i i saw when he sat in. I was just like, he's right. But the meeting itself, I'm like, Hogan was balling that year before. And he came to the bottom and the total.

And he ain't worth three penalties. Then Bronkin three, I'm like, I'm like, he's worth three. Then all of a sudden, we hear, hey,

don't go out doing nothing crazy. And Grant goes swimming with sharks. And I'm just like, I said, look, and I never forget when the D-Ly line. I was like,

what's going on? on. Explain that. I don't think we've heard that story. I don't think we have either. So Bill, every time going into the off season, going to Memorial Day,

going to the off season, nothing good happens after midnight. Nothing good happens in the off season because it's just so much time on people's hands. They don't know what to do. Let's not go and do something crazy. Let's not do something crazy, guys. This is when everyone gets in trouble.

Then pulls out the whole rack. Rapsticks, rap sheets, articles. Look, this guy, he's talking about an extension. He just got a DUI. How do you think that extension looks now? And if you look in the bottom of the paragraph, of course, they say his salary and the years he plays for on his team. You know what I mean?

And look at his slab dick on a comment on him. Look, then all of a sudden we get back and I'll never forget this because I'm out there. I think this had to be the 18th season. I'm out there. I just have bicep surgery. I'm going a spinner shark fishing, catch and release.

I got in the water with a giant grouper at this cot. I'm like, look, my bicep surgery held up. I'm only eight weeks out. And I'm like, well, I'm not going to post this because I'm going to get in trouble. Yeah. And all of a sudden, I'm like, is grots swimming with sharks?

then he's just like Sharkweed What are we doing here guys? And I was like, look And I never forget We had a young guy He said, I said look We are treated the same

But we are not all the same I said just keep it like that But we all get treated the same We're not all the same That's a different caliber of person He could do what the hell he wants to do I mean we probably had 15 touchdowns that year Oh, dominated that year.

Dominated. It was hilarious. The grong, man. The grong get to do what the grong want to do. I'm right, baby. Hey, that was like the time I was telling somebody, you brought your daughter in for treatment, and you guys were in the hot tub together. And you guys were like, oh, yeah. So we're going, I'm going there for a lot to them getting treatment.

And I'm like, whose daughter's over there in the hot tub? I was like, it's June. I said, we could bring our kids. I said, what do you mean? He said, that's jewels. I said, you don't got to say nothing more. I get it. Two years later, I'm like, who's this?

I said, that's my son. He's going to hang out over here. Can you guys babysit on him? We can put some blueie on here. They're like, really? I said, look, I'm just following my leader's lead right now. My leader said I could bring my child in here. You guys can't tell me shit.

And they're like, what? I just made the all decade team. I said, I said, I ain't on his caliber, but ain't nobody else as good as me right now. on this defense line. So it is what it is. There's the perks, baby. Hey, we try to keep it like Google.

You go to Google. You want to stay at the work. We bring our family at the work. If I'm getting my goddamn ankles worked on, my little baby girl's going to be in the cold punch in the hot tub. And playing with the balls. And Whalen's going to be chasing her ass around.

You want to know why? Because I think I was making $10 million that year. So I think it's a big investment. What are you going to do? We didn't have child care. We've seen the report guards. We've seen the report guards. They got child care now.

I know. It's too late. Wayland was my child care. Jim Wayland and the traders were by child care. Don't worry. No, I appreciate them. They were always the best.

Lily still talks about that. It's great. The bozio balls. And she goes, when are we going to play with the big balls again? I'm like, we're good. And Lillin there getting tort all shots and everything. Yeah.

Hey, those are the memories. You got a dude in fucking jockstrap. Lily's played on a bozeo ball. Just another day at work. It's just another day at work. Oh, that's awesome. That's one. When you're walking there,

like, hey, bro, put a towel on. Like, well, I'm bringing kids in here. Well, put the fucking towel on, bro. Like, all right. Oh, my God. It's like the first time people see women reporters in the locker room. They don't know to act.

Yeah. I said, like, just get dressed normally. They're a professional, bro. They're like, what you mean? I said, I hear you. Just get dressed normally. It is what it is. I'm not watching those sometimes.

There's a bird watching out there by them reporters. Don't get it twisted. And it's an old dude. I said, why are you standing right there? I don't know. Who is? Hey, what about when Jonathan used to come on? Jonathan go to the scale.

Butt naked. He walked from the locker room butt naked to the scale. I would see Jonathan Kraft. craft. Why are we parading these? He's a bad at. He would be up there in a suit. Right. I'd see him doing 15 pull-ups in a suit. Wow. He'd have like a 15-minute break from a meeting or something. He'd go into our weight room. He'd do like hitting it in. Then he'd go back to his meeting and he'd come out. He'd be in the sauna butt naked and shit. Hey, RKK and his Spanish walking in a wall. I'm like, look, it was a locker room fill.

And they used to use it. They used to use it. And it's only owners in the NFL that would interact with their players that way and people don't get it like other owners don't interact with players like they they come they show that he's in the meet archie k's in the meeting johnson was walking talking they'll have a full conversation with you and be normal and it's it's weird right yeah there's other teams he say well we get these perks and i said but you don't interact with your owners and when you do interact them is one or two things you just got a shit ton of money or they drafted you and then like we wanted you and they're trying to hype you up i only seen that a couple of times but like RK and Jonathan will talk, have a full conversation.

It was awesome, but it would be funny. Oh, bro. It's like you're at the YMC, not the YMCA, you're at the country club or something. Yeah, bro. And they're asking, so when a rookie comes in, they see it for the first time or a veteran comes in, they say, who is that?

I go, that's your boss. I said, that's your boss, but next is weighing in. That's the lower right corner. Lower right corner, baby, LRC. LRC. Is you going to put a towel on? Yeah, when he gets back to his locker room. Like, what I said it is what it is, bro.

Hey, it is what it is. It's a perfect segue into, you've been on a bunch of teams. I want to hear your biggest takeaways, rapid, quick fire on your teams. Ready? Oh, that's fine. Packers. Green Bay was awesome. Family oriented.

Like, a beer, cheese, and wine and brats is what they know about there. Brots. I would love to go there. The rumors are true. I love that. And they tell you this immediately. Once you get in there, you, you, You either going to have a heavy bill, or are you going to get engaged or marry and find somebody?

I don't get it. Got to fly people in. I, yeah, yeah, yeah, they tell you. The Colts. Colts. Colts was unique. I had, I had Bruce. I didn't have Chuck.

Yeah. So Coles is unique. I had, uh, Frini. I had masses. Corey Ridding. I had all those great players all in one. And Corey Ridding really helped. me out in a way of honing like look you here we're going to do this he sat there he didn't

care about with the position he's like it is what it is and that asked about that fit i never thought i'm going to leave in uh indiana this when chuck came back was daniel mirra there when you were there i don't think so no he used to play on my kent state team then no he was there maybe it would have been it would have been like nine 10 it's like three yeah i had adam had all them it's just one of those situations. Well, I thought I was going to stay there. I was like, that was a dope team. I was playing good. I was on the light side too. And I was like,

okay, Chuck came in, fired to every, but the whole second straight on the D-line got fired. Me, Drake Nevis. Drac Nevis was their third round pay, I want to say, in that lockout, gone. I was like, okay. I said, goodbye. All right, so. Then came back and they got fired again.

Okay. You didn't get see Jim Merset naked in the locker room? No, no. Oh, man. Of all the other owners, I thought he might, he might be that guy. Playing the guitar. Jim, The way to get in the building, there's a main building here,

and this is the bubble. Jim will pull up that Rolls Royce right there. Smell like pure cigars right in the middle of the walkway. You have to go in there. That's baller. And I was this. He said, you can do whatever he wants.

But every Christmas, you got a cool-ass Christmas gift. That's what I heard. And you get a pecan pie because that's his favorite pie. No, man. That's nice. We got speakers. The year after that,

they got Xbox ones. and every single team I ever been on. After that, I said, are we getting something for Christmas? I'm like, no, they pay your salary. I'm like, man. I said, Ersie was so cool. Did you get a movie pass.

That's right. The Patriots. We did get a movie pass. You get the movie pass. Yeah, we got three movies, though. So we got Packers, family-oriented. We have Colts are just Chuck is our initial takeaway. Chargers.

I don't understand why I went to the Chargers. I'll be honest with you. San Diego Chargers. I don't understand. You know one, guess who was the defensive coordinator? Who? John Pagano. Oh.

I said, like, if you don't like me, your brother don't like me, you don't like me. Why the fuck am I here? Yeah. Then I remember Tom, the GM, he's one that brought me in. I was like, okay. And I was just like, look, I don't know how long I won't be here because he clearly don't like me, but we had a great room right there. We had Corey Legent, Kenner Reyes, Sean Lissmore with me,

we had real good guys, young guys, so we was able to develop in that whole year together. But the unique thing about that was, when you think about the Chargers, you think about Philip Rivers and how a great guy he was, all the stories are real. Everything, it is what it is.

He, you know I was Catholic. He texted me personally, hey, we got mass at this time. I'll see you there. This is what Roman is. I'm like, just get on the team. Like, someone in it, some of know how Tom does it.

Like, hey, I want to introduce myself. This is who are. This is our family aspect of it. Facility of it was trash. Like, hot tubs are green. People were getting, like, staff. Like, what's so weird? We had a tent as a, as a,

a cafeteria. It was like Mercer waiting to happen. They literally had a tent in a pool. Oh. Like the tent, like, once season's over, the tent's gone. They catered it. And funny story, I went to a training camp,

somebody got a cramp in the middle of that pool. and we're like, oh shit, he's going to drive. Yeah, he might. And he's over there holding himself going on the water. And we're like, bro, you almost drowning in the pool. I said, I don't know how it's going to be. But again, I don't know why I was there. And when I was doing it, I'm like that.

I don't feel fucking for you guys to have green pool in a goddamn tent. Okay, you got 75 and sunny every fucking day. No, it's beautiful. It's way better to go out in December to that green tent and that green water than it is when you're walking into fucking Foxborough and it's pitch black and it's two degrees and you leave the facility it's pitch black and it's about negative two degrees.

Yeah, it's my... Quality of life is probably insane. San Diego needs a team. But they should. They hydro seeded their grass though. How about that? What's that? Hydrocy.

Everybody knows hydro seed in there's right? They put the little liquid in the water and they just spray it to... That's how they did it because the city took care of the field. So the shit was that. But the weather is great. Weather is insane. Oh, my God.

You put... I remember playing on that feeling. I thought the field was decent in 13. No, the field is good, but the stadium practice. Oh, my God, it was. That's why they're out. That's why they're in Los Angeles. Honestly, we went and checked out.

I went and checked out a training camp practice last year. And the facility that they're at now right by the, it was the El Segundo is spectacular. They have a fucking Soho house or something in the facility. Whoa. It's incredible. I was just thinking like, man, day to day life come to this every day would be so like. No, you didn't get that. You got darkness.

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On the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts I got our little lady When I open up The gate opens up She's over here Jules

How's your day? I loved her Hey I mean over there Hocking the horn It was Mary I believe her name was I'm like Mary I'm like We got to go

I said I can't be late to this meeting Oh Mary All right What about Baltimore Loved it there Jonathan, Joe, ruin his name, JJ,

with the outside linebacker for the Baltimore Raven that was in San Diego, put his stamp on my name when they called him about me in Baltimore. And when I went up there, and I was like, Clarence Brooks and, like, Don Johnson for the charges, those were one of the best coaches I've had. They're honest.

They're like, look, this is what's going on behind the scenes. I'm never going to sugarcoat this. I'm going to tell you how. is telling you in the room, I ain't going to lie to you. And when I went in there, got off the flight, Elvis Dumaville's there. We're doing scout team. He looked at me.

He said, I don't think you got it. And Clarence was like, he just got off a flight, bro. You're like, what are you doing? And from there, he was just, they just developed, right? Yeah. When they said, hey, black and blue conference, that is a black and blue conference for that reason.

Hey, we had Holodynada, we had Steve Smith, Senior. We're tough. We have Yonda. We had Terrell. We had... Who's the... Aiken?

Remember, what's his name for, Gino? So he just left him with any that year. He got there. He was a beast, too. He was, he was killed.

All these people was there, and when you realize they teach you how to be a real deline man. When I say that, there's, there's this

bluff stuff out there. Then they're like, hey, I'm trying to rock you. Yeah. And that's exactly what it is. And I can tell you the day it happened, we're playing a game. And we're about to play Pittsburgh.

Are we just finished playing in Pittsburgh? And CB looked at it and said, you guys are acting too soft for me. He said, let me show you how it is. And he put a film up a hello to Nata going and hitting big Ben and the chin with his elbow. And I'm talking about full force,

365 elbow shot straight to the chin. He said he wasn't trying to hurt him. He was trying to send him a message. And I was like, I get you. So they developed the alignment and it got me to where I was for the physicality level of the league what I needed to be.

They didn't care if it was the first round draft pick of the last draft pick. We all know politics. But they're like, if we're going to play and we got a chance to win, we're going to play the best people. And that's what they were doing. And I got to learn from that aspect of it.

And again, I was going to leave. When I got my contract from New England, I sent it there. I said, hey, you guys match it. I'll stay. And they were like, no, we're good. I said, fuck y'all then, I'm gone. Our ball's going to do good in Giants?

I think he is. I think it's the right coast for that atmosphere. New York is hard to play in, how to coach in. John is that person. And I think that team wants to win and they're going to practice hard. And that's the difference is when you get a team that doesn't really want to do that physicality

and practice, and that's what made New England so special. They do a lot of physicality. Perfect transition into the Patriots. See? and that's the difference. And John's going to do good there. And when we got to New England, I'll tell you this, New England.

I went there, when I got there, we're doing OTAs and off-season workout. I'm like, all we're doing is running. And in Baltimore, we're already hitting. We got suspended for putting full paths on people, for shadow walking. And I was like, okay, we're doing a passing camp. And I'm never used to a passing camp.

I'm over there talking to Devon McCordy. like, this ain't nothing. I could run all day. I could do this. And he was like, okay. And he's like, man, we must be solved. Then all of a sudden we put pads on, I said, what the hell are we doing here? I'm like, we're doing seven on a half line, nine on seven.

We're doing live fucking goal line. I said, this is ridiculous. One on ones. I said, this shit is hard. I tore bicep going into the third precinct. game. I had no idea it was torn.

I just woke up and this shit was hurting. And I was like it is what it is. I'm like, bro. But when I got there

and I tell people that build the team, the guys, the people in the building will push you to a point where you need to be

and if you cannot reach that point and continue to climb, you fold and you see so many people retire and because it's too hard. But they're like, look,

we're going to get You get you, just like the military, it'll get you to your breaking point. Once you reach that breaking point, we're going to surpass it. And you're going to be the best version of yourself. If you can mentally do it and you can swallow your pride, you'll become the best player you could be. And that's what happened in New England. It was a special moment that I realized that I understood that. Like I tore bicep, we're doing 9-0-7.

I end up from a fire technique all the way down to Allen Branch out of nose and bills. Like, Lawrence, what the fuck are you? doing over here next a big branch. Then you're over here under the FI-Tec. I said my bicep gone. He said, you chose to come out here. I said, you're right. And right there, I chose to be on this field.

That means no matter what happens, I have no excuse. I got to go out there and perform because that tape in the sky, the eye in the sky, don't ever lie. Don't ever lie. And he's not going to say, oh, he had a bad game because of his shoulder or ankle because of his leg. none of that shit. When you put it on tape, it's on tape. And he's like, he harped on it.

If you put it on tape, it is there. It's going to stay in the archives forever. Forever. And then lastly, quick, we got to move on, the Bengals, quick. I sucked. All right, let's go back in time to January 13th, 2018. And this is a segment where we like to go over what was going on in pop culture, the other life. number one movie

Jamanji Welcome to the jungle actually fire I love that the first one the remake I was real hungry for the old Jamongy and they

got Robin Williams Rod yeah remake was good it was fucking Jack Black right yeah I love that group

I love that group number one song perfect by Ed Sheerin and Beyonce Paddington 2 pitch perfect three Molly's game we're all in the box office

the Tidepod challenge never forget hit the internet and I I think Gronk had to give a PSA on not to eating tidepods because kids were dying. Great time for that. I think we showed that.

We showed it in the meeting room. He said, I know we're giving out these tie pods, but we got to inform you guys to watch this video. And I was just like, I bet one of y'all dumbasses would do it. And it's probably on defense. They do look so delicious, though, don't they?

Jesus. Oh, God. Robbie G., letting them know. Eagle, look, you. Don't, guys, don't eat these. That's a face of a. serious man telling you not to eat a tripod. It's a phrase of a man that probably ate a tie pod.

Take it from me. I hope you so. Oh my God. Super Bowl champions, Philly, MVP, Tom. NC2A champion Bama. Was that the last Bama one? That was the one where they... Was it their last one? Yeah.

Baker Mayfield wins a Heisman. Cleveland Browns go 0 and 16. First team to go winless since the Detroit Lions in 2000. in 2008. DeMarcus Cousins has 44 points, 24 rebounds, 10 assists, in 132-128 double overtime win against the Bulls. How crazy. Insane stat line.

Insane stat line. Buggy, shout out, Boogie Cousins. Hey, the Cleveland Brown is the reason why the whole charges, coach staff got fired. They were going to go to same 016.16. They beat them that one year. Yeah. They're 1 in 15.

Yeah, we was us in Baltimore. and that, and we're getting spanked by the Cleveland Browns. A block of Philgo going into house, having me run it back, boom. And I never run the sideline trail sucks. I was like, we're going to be the only team to lose to the fucking Cleveland Browns. We suck. And I was like, if we lose, we do. We definitely suck ass.

But they fired everybody on the charges stuff. They're like, you guys are this bad. You lost to the Cleveland Brown. Wow. Remember they were locking up the old coolers? Oh, yeah. That was the best. Remember and then Baker came in and broke the coolers out, right?

Baker, remember that Bud Light thing? Full circle, yeah. Unleashed the cruise out. It was each, each, they couldn't open the cooler until a win. That was some insane technology. In the same time, they hit the button. Chains fell off. Oh, man.

Baker Mayfield is my favorite quarterback. I love Bigger. Oh, I like that. How the buck's going to be this year? They're going to be, if they forgot this Vita V-D-V-A-Suh, that'll be good. No, I want to let you know why he's my favorite quarterback. Lay it on, slate on us. He threw me an interest.

deception. Did he? That's true. Oh, yeah. That's right. We're playing them in New England. Oh, yeah. I jumped a snap because I looked at him.

I looked at Bill and look, it is what it is. I'm going to do it. And I jumped it. And they're like, okay. And I looked them in the eyes. I was like, he's going to throw me the fucking ball. And he's like, and I just caught on the side of my head. Like, this motherfucker threw me the ball.

I said, hell yeah. Let's go. I said, you forever be my favorite. quarterback. I forgot about that. Right now I remember it. Oh, went to the sideline, people like me. I never seen you get off the ball that fast.

They said, because I wasn't allowed to. I said, but you get me on the edge, on the pass. I'm going to jump to snap. I don't got to fucking hold the double teams up for you guys no more. God, how good did that feel? Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. You know how hard is the two got a double team?

Like, it's difficult. I got no clue. I'm like, look, that's like every time we play Houston and we had to imitate JJ Watt, I was the first person on a scout team. I said, I could do it. And I was like, what you know? I know every one of y'all calls. I'm not going to jump everything, swim, spin.

I'm not going to do everything I can to fuck with you guys. And then, like, you're serious? I'm like, yep, it is what it is. Makes it harder and practice, make it easier in the game against JJ. 100%. Are you a movie guy? I am a movie guy. What's your favorite movie?

Oh, God. So as a kid, I was forced to watch Pope Fiction on a re-won. There's constantly going. Forced. How did that happen? My brother was, he's like six years old. me. So that's all we watched. He's got good taste. I like this. Back in the day, I'm doing this because you had to, I mean, you had to rewind it on VHS. Oh, yeah.

Didn't intervene. Be kind and rewind. Yeah, didn't you had to get the little thing just in case it messed up. We had a, we had a, we had a rewinder. Oh, because you're rich. Nah. That's cool. The movie buff household. Just movie buff household. Yeah, we had a friend that worked at a old rental place. No, it was, it was like an off-brand rental. Oh, God. We had a pencil. Yeah. The pencil will do, too. You a Blockbuster guy? Yeah, we just knocked them out, you know, until they tried to hear you with those late feet. Oh, the worst. What's a, what's a fun memory or moment that should be made into a movie when you were in New England?

Oh, my funniest one was you, and you don't even know it. So the funniest, so I did a elf on a shelf in New England. Classic. Right? And I hit it all. around the building. And Jules is being Jules one day. And I was like, I'm going to put him in front of his locker.

So I hit it on the side of the fucking locker just sitting there. And he's sitting there like, the hell is that? He's trying to change. And I got this elf looking at my junk. And I'm like, that he don't know it's me. I'm like, okay. So the next day, I move it above this locker. He said, what the hell?

I'm trying to get my treatment, come in. He's still looking at my junk. And I'm like, yeah. Then I moved it because we had a little lip, and I put it behind him. I said, for a week straight, I'm just moving around his fucking locker. And they all, how often people knew of me? Because I'll go in there with a big ass ladder and start pulling it up. There's moving this shit around.

We got ladders out. And all of a sudden, I just did it. Then I had multiple ones because Marky Cannon stole my elf and held it for hostage. Jesus. And the elf game took it. But now I have multiples around the locker that is sitting there, just looking at jewelry. He started to comment on his shit. Only Jewish guy in the team

must have the Elven Shelf right on his father. How about a bench on the bench? Yeah, you got to mention on the bench. Hey, I should have. And the only thing that stopped me from getting binoculars because they didn't want to stay up out of binoculars in there. They just wouldn't stay on the L.

I like for this movie, we get the IP for Elf on the show. And he's a bird watching a claymation. Yeah, he's like a toy story. Hey, that shit was hilarious. Fucking, all he does is just look at you. I never knew that was you. Hey, well, I was like, what are we doing?

Starting for life seeing Marcus Cannon, John. Holy smokes. Oh, my God. I am telling you. It was hilarious because I did weird and stuff like that in the locker room. What's the weirdest thing you did? The elf was the weirdest thing. I love that.

I love the wildfaction. The other thing I did, you know, we bought fermented shark one year and we opened it up in the in the training room. What? Femented shark. What? We bought it. They tried it and then we opened that bitch up in the training room.

And all of a sudden, I cleared out the training room. I cleared out the media. And they all said, thank you. And we were over to taking shots of fermented. I had some landing vodka with this fermented short because it's supposed to be a traditional drink. And I was like, bro, this is what it is. Whoa.

That must have been on a Friday. I think it was on Thursday or Friday. It had to be because that's when all you guys would go. Some SeaWorld type shit. Oh, no. It was a random thing. Random? Because you never.

So I used to do the best in the training. them also. So if you could do 50 push-ups consecutively, I get the money up, I got one year. I got a guy $15,000 worth of bets going just for a Christmas bonus. Not in the building. The bets were

made out of the building. Okay, side bets out of the time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. What he said. I don't play no more. So we got that. I had the hot chip challenge. I had the hot gummy bird. Oh, God, that thing's killed people. The guy's over here fucking choking on chips.

challenge with Epic too. Oh, I don't remember those. Which one? Hot gummy bear. Yeah, they were doing a bunch of this hot shit all the time. Then I did how many, we did how many cookies you can eat, how many Oreos you can eat in a minute. Can you hold a push up? Can you hold this?

Oh, bro. I was just trying to get the guys to interns money. And I was just like, this is on top of the Christmas gear. This is all for the training staff. I was just competing. All for the insert, only the intern. So seasonal interns, all them, I made sure. They're making like $10.

Yeah. So I bought this. Literally all year. It's a full resume builder. I bought them all gifts for a training camp. So all of them get gifts for training camp I gave it to them. I love this. Because between me and him and Slate in the training room,

it's got to be a handful. Oh my God. I'd never forget they looked at me. They said, look, Jules is left. Can you not act up to today? I said, I'm not doing nothing. What was I doing in the training room? The same thing I was doing.

I hate it. You know? I do more orthotics. I thought the orthotic guy because they blitzed my feet. It was like. First, hey, first time in the building, they say, we got this guy that does orthotics. You know, I'm like, okay, cool. He does, he does fake legs and everything.

Engelberg? Yeah. I blistered my foot. I threw that bitch right out of him. I said, you fucking thawtics suck. He ain't no, Dr. Sholes. Come on. This is how you're coming in?

I said, yeah, this is how I'm coming in. Throwing orthotics. Hey, they looked at me, again, between me, him and Slate, Slate was the nice one. They're like, your personality on top of it. jewels of personality. We get jewels. He said, we didn't know we was inheriting you. I said, I'm good, bro. Biden's through years of being there. I said, honest. I said, like, this sucks. And they're like, well, I said,

then I told one guy, I said, look, you're not capable of stretching me. And he was like, what do you mean? I said, you're not physically capable stretching me. Too small? Way too small. He's like, I got you. Started breaking on his sweat. You know, I'm like, me, my leg is heavy. I heard. And it's just going on. I was like, I told you wasn't capable of touching me, bro. And they was like, you're fucked up. I'm not mean.

I was just trying to be honest with them. You know, you told you. You only have a handful of people that actually work on you, right? Yeah. And if you get Jimbo to work on you, it's amazing. He worked on me probably three times. Come on, I ain't letting Jimbo. I don't even like Jimbo out of his sights.

Nah, Jimbo, I hear petting cats and shit like this. I need to fucking, you need to be wrestling a dinosaur with me. Ressle of a dinosaur. I know they remember that term. Okay. I'll be out here if I get playing this with this shit. Come on. We need to get some.

We got muscle. You got a breakthrough. I hear you. So it took special. I know. Let's jump into this freaking game. Got me thinking about it. I get through these training camp stories all day.

The training was wild. Oh, my gosh. We break down this. Let's get into these Tennessee Titans 9 and 7. Second and finally year of the Mike Malarkey era. Mike Malarkey. We're talking coaches, though. Dick Leboe on the defensive side.

Legend in the old AFC North Pittsburgh. Dick Leboe. Shout out. This was also his final year in the league. We retired him after this one. First playoff. Legend, though. For the Pittsburgh Steelers. Legend. No shade of Dick Leboe. Shout out. First playoff birth since 08. And this is the first year of the post,

Jason McCordiaira. That's right. Crazy. Oh, wow. He's been there since 08. 09. Yeah. Insane. Good rookie class here. You got Corey Davis a Mac Daddy. Remember him out of Western Michigan? Wide receiver. A Dori Jackson. Johnu Smith. Some other dudes on this squad. First record. Corey Davis.

Cory Davis first rounder, man. I always thought he was going to like really pop off. I know he had some decent years there, but. Yeah, I mean, Macion. That's pretty cool for the Mac. Big time. Mac, Macon, you, Skymore, all those guys. Wesley Woodyard, we used to play against each other

when he went to Kentucky. I played him at Kentucky. That's right. He was on this squad. He had Matt Castle on this one. He was here for a long time. Brandon Wheaton. Eric Decker.

Delaney Walker was used this year. Taylor LeWine, one of the Bustin with the boys was down there. Kevin Byard, current Patriot, led the league interceptions this year, Ball Hawk back there with eight. Let it this year, last year, too. Yep, crazy, man. 2025, 2025, 2017.

Big gap there, but still getting those picks. Logan Ryan down there. Logan. He signed his big deal there. Yep. Yeah. So, yeah, this was a solid little Titans team. Yeah.

This was Marriottia. Maryode year. Pre-vrable. Yeah, pretty solid little Titans team. But you've got to talk about the backfield, too. DeMarco Murray and King Henry. I mean, that's a good backfield. King Henry.

Young King Henry. Young King. Still didn't understand his body. No. We'll be right back after this quick break. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello.

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This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be, and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you remember about this Titans team? Got Derek Henry. I forgot DeMarco was even there. I'd be honest with you. I just remember going into the game and they were like, if we let Derek get past the first level,

the second level cannot tackle him. I said, this is what it is. And as Bill said, this is all on hands. on deck guy. Everybody got to wrap up. There ain't no shoulder tackling, no arm tackling. Stop his feet. You got to stop his feet. And if you grab him, the first person there, hold him, second person, grab the feet, dump them. And if we get him stop, it would get him flustered.

If we get him flustered, it will stop their running game because it ran through him. And again, he was young too. Young. Sprite. I mean, I got him in later years too. I'm like, you ain't that young anymore. You're hitting. And then he was like a DB's night. mirror. Yeah. He was just showing DVs. And also, you know, paired with Marcus Marriota who he would take the ball on you too. Yeah. But then again, like we knew what we were getting into. Like passing,

like, okay, it was a run team with a little bit of passing. And they had the biggest, be honest, the biggest person they talk about other than that, what was, um, Taylor. The way he won the, the little hand, fucking jerk that he was doing all the time, they were never, like, at least three people jump off sides. Yeah. I don't, I think we had a training camp practice with them. Was it this year or the following year?

It was the following year when Vrable got there. Okay, yeah, because that was the whole own thing. They was like, look, this is their best offensive line, man. And if you see me, I don't like playing the right side on the line because I suck on the right side of the line. I'm way better on the left.

And they all knew that. And I think this game, they say, hey, we got to put you on the right side. I'm like, I don't want to be on the right. I said, I've run any position you want. me do on a lot. But it was just one of those things is we could stop Luan, stop Henry. I still don't remember DeMarco being there.

It was a while ago. But it was like if we could troll the run game, they cannot beat us with their arm. And not the biggest thing we kept saying, if we control the run game, they cannot beat us with their arm. What were some of the, your favorite O-Lyman to battle? Oh, geez. So when I got to do Machi Yonana, and when we got to play, him with the Ravens was amazing

because that was my one-on-one person in practice when I was Baltimore. The pounce sheets were amazing. Luan was great because he's a talker and I'm a talker. What's so Luan saying during the game? We know he's a talker. He's great on the podcast.

So with me, I was solid. He didn't really say much to me, but I can never forget that in that 19 playoff. He looked at me and said, you're giving up on me. And I was like, you're running away. You're like, don't give up on me, 93. I was like, fuck you, bro.

And he knew it too. And I was like, bro, this is some shit. Oh, I was calling it out. He knew he had us. I was like, man, they knew it. And exactly, if I went to the left, they moved to the right. And then I started to realize who they were picking on. I was like, well, we're going to run to the weak side.

They're going to do this. It was a game. God. I can't think of everybody on top of my head right now. Villanueva was a good person to go against. Like I said, to pounce you for great people to go and get. God. Who was the left guard for the Pittsburgh Steelers?

What was his name? Black dude. Is he a big black dude? For Foster. Foster. Loved it. Yeah, Roman Foster? Yeah.

Roman Foster? They always had big, just like, mean-looking linemen. the Steelers. Steelers could be the coolest looking like team when you see them off the bus. 100%. Because they're always fucking the all black unies, the yellow and black, they get off the bus and they were always large.

Always. Their whole team is always like they love big guys that can hold on the offensive line, right? That's what I always heard Bill was saying. I don't even know. I just, Bill would always be saying these guys are just fucking large and like to hold. They coach them to holders. You know,

what I never forget the ref told me. He said, he said, I see him holding you, but you got to make an attempt to get off. I said, I can't. I said,

this man's hands are strong. I'm struggling. And they're like, it is what it is. But like that whole Pittsburgh offensive line during that era, it was just a fun game. And everybody knew,

if you didn't know, Big Ben's tail of his past his ankle will always be up. And if it was down, I was like, look. So I won game, I remember the first year of playing them,

I ignored everything. Yeah. There was no, I'm reading the play, none of this. I was like, all they're going to do is get in my way and hold me. I just looked through the line and looked at his ankle the whole time. And my coach is like, what are you looking at? I said, this ankle. He said, you understand what the play was?

I'm like, no. I said, I ignored all that shit. I said, all we got to do is stop lay vion and stop this person and we're solid. That's in the bucket of a football player being a football player. Yeah. You know, because you have to explain your shit what you're doing to coaches. They're going to sit and act. Like, how the fuck did you get a jump on this when you didn't have nothing?

You know, just a football player being a football player coach. He's like, hey. It'd be hilarious too because I had a whole cheat sheet of everything I needed, all the signals, all the things. What were your cheat sheet for these Tennessee Titans? I don't remember that much. I never stopping to run. My whole focus was I could read doubles, right? So I could read the eyes of all the offensive linemen.

I could read the formation, any motion. And if you motion a certain player or Zia X, only two, three plays must happen out of that motion. Because the issue is you go back and on iPad, you could just put in plays and put in this motion or that motion. Then when you put in those motions, you can read what play is coming. And all of a sudden, you're like, okay, this is going to be a pass, but it's going to be this play, where they line up on there on the hashes,

all they in between the numbers, where it's this offense alignment. It's his foot back. It's his foot up. It's his arm up. Is he on his hip? Is he light on his hand? It's his hand slightly above his pad. It's a running back even behind.

It's a tiny little bit off the ball. It's the tight hand down and left hands down. So when I looked at this game, that's all we, that's how I looked at. I'm like, I'm going to read the snap before the snap. Yeah. And then I can reach your call. ABC, your backside. Duke's double single, your front side.

Triple your front side. That means triple double teams coming from the, the, either the, the, the, tackle to tie in, B, guard, tackle, A, it's going to be center guard, that's backside, front side. So you start realizing all that. Then you start hearing the mic point. And where's the mic? The mic's over here. Is Patrick Chung behind me?

Because then he was playing linebacker. I'm like, is he behind me? They're going to make him to do it. Then I looked at the eyes of the tackle. Was that dollar or dime? Because he played, he'd be the safety coming in the box. It was both, but it'll be more nickel sometimes. And I never forget the day

And I wasn't paying attention In meetings That's a big nickel Yeah I wasn't paying attention in meetings And we was doing it And I don't know what game it was And I always remember

them saying Hey 23 is the mic And I'm like What's that? And I look behind me I'm like Oh shit I'm gonna have a long goddamn day

He ain't He ain't gonna take off This devil like I need This double Like I need this double Taking off But all that being said I could read all of it

Yeah Then the tackle Always stares at you Yeah. Then you be sitting there. This is when I'd be talking, but like, I know you're doubleting me, bro. Hey, don't try to fuck me up right now.

Please don't try to do it. And they're like, what? Middle of the game. Game is serious. Don't try to fuck me up, bro. And then just be looking at me, and our goals are playing to the tackle. And at that time, no way is really doing it that much.

Yeah. And I said, I'm like, I just tee off on them. I'm like, hey, bro, I told you not try to fuck me up. I saw it in your eyes. but this game that was important. You got a tee off on the wand? I did. We went to our training camp practice.

Bill looked at me and said, what the hell you do? I said, I threw the Juan to the fucking ground, jumped to his time and didn't do that thing. He's going to be coming at you when he hears this. Hey, like, I never forget. I'm going to play him in the preseason game. I'm like, I'm going to stun in.

I'm going to try to throw him to the ground. I'm going to get my ass y'all at. And it's going to be what it is. And all of a sudden, I'm going to scream that. And my coach was like, what the hell is? you doing, I'll like send the message that I don't have to sit here and be on this edge. You learn that in Baltimore.

Don't right. That's it. Let's go. Set the message. You got to send the message. And hey, from there, I'm like, cool. Then again, I think that following year, he was in the playoff and talking. They beat our ass.

They fucking send us home. Jackie, jump into these packs. Let's get into these 13 and three Patriots. Lost that first game to Kansas City. Remember that one? Jules, of course, unfortunately, got hurt. in the preseason up there in Detroit. You did.

That freaking turf, man. Fucking Detroit. This was the 18th year of the Belichick area. He got Josh McDaniels O.C., Maddie P.D.C. Coming off the 28 to 3 Super Bowl year win. I mean, yeah, this was a heck of a squad 13 and three. Play the game in Mexico City. Play the game down in Estadio, Estada, 9,000 feet.

Insane. Could you feel it? I was over there sucking oxygen. And I thought I was sucking oxygen. And just going in there breathing. And Moses looked at me and said, I think you're out of shape. I can't breathe. He said, no, you're out of shape.

We got to do some more wind sprints. I'm like bullshit. I said, I am not out of shape. It is hard to breathe. It's the last year I really did oxygen. Yeah. Like, 9,000 feet. People don't realize, like, mile high, you feel little.

And that's at 5,000 feet. This is 9,000 feet as Texas. And we stayed there for a week. No, didn't you go to, we went to, Colorado. Yeah, Colorado. Yeah, of California. Yeah, for a week.

We're sitting there. Trying to get used to it, right? Yeah. Bullshit. Ain't nobody getting used to it. Olive Brand smoking black and miles out on a patio in Mexico. And I'm like, you want to join? I'm like, I can't breathe already.

I don't know how you doing it. Shout out of Alain Brains, bro. I said, hey, he was the real one for that one. Maybe he'd be on his big-ass skateboard. Going through the locker room. He's fucking 355-pound man on a skateboard. Oh, man. I'm over here trying to get tequila.

I'm over there trying to pay people to go give me tequila with a little worm in it and I'm like, can't give me some tequila guys? And I was like, what? And I think that's why he said he was out of shape. I'm over there, like, I was trying to get some tequila, bro. It's a worm, maybe. What do you remember about this Patriots team?

Oh, my God. This one right here. Like when you see all these guys on the team. Those are Lawrence's first year on the Patriots too. Everybody was built differently. Like, it was legit built differently because you guys just came off that Falcon win, right? you had Rex Burkhead on there.

James, James Delvin, let's just be real. Like, probably one of the hardest fullbacks I ever hit in practice, hit in the game. It was it. Jack Mason, Ted Curris, David Andrews, Tune, like Marcus Cannon. Then when you go down to,

we have Brandon Cooks, got Kenny Britt with it, Dorisette, Hogan, you were there for that short period of time, Slate, Duane, Dolan, Gron, Dola. Like, we had so many people there. And let's not forget, I think, I got hurt that year also. Cannon got hurt.

You got hurt. Kyle took over as middle lineback. Atlantic was just not going. And Atlanta Roberts was known for one thing. He might not be the fastest person. Take your head off. He'll take your head off. So those double teams came off fast.

That's what I said. It was different when I heard that. He comes downhill and he's not that big. But he just hit. And so there's heavy hitters. And Brandon Spikes used to be like that. That's what they compared him to. He's a hitter, but this different athlete.

But he wasn't as big as Spikes, and this guy could lay the wood. Oh, my God. He's still in the league. Yeah. That's crazy to think. What is? He's only probably 2.30. But he gets hit.

But he hits. The problem was he set the message. He sent messages. But when you look at this team, you're not looking at a team that was sitting there. You look at a team that Matt Patricia knew it was this last year. Josh knew he was last year. They was doing stuff. We're watching the bad boys of the choice.

No, Josh was still there next year. Oh, yeah, that's right. No, no. He was supposed to leave. He was, oh, he was about to leave to indie. That was the whole anything. They put that rule in. Oh, shit.

You forgot that? Hey, we, hey, end of the season, Matt was like, Josh, what do we do? How do we do this? Do we go meet with Bill? Meet with this. And Josh is like, yeah, yeah, go meet with Bill. And all of a sudden, he never loved.

Yeah. But it was unique a year. Bad Boys of Detroit, well, we're watching this doing our, again, you guys were practicing, doing a walkthroughs.

In our little, a film room, we did a walkthrough room, we were watching the Bad Boys of Detroit. It was like, this is how we got to play because they're trying to be back more physicality in.

And when I got there, I never forget, Ivan, but like, we finally got a real D-Lyman in here. And again, coming from Baltimore, if he was a,

buy a pile, I put you over the pile. Yeah. And it didn't matter what it was. You go over the pile. I'm only hit you. If I can get away with it, I'm just going to set messages. And I can never forget, I've been like, this is what we need here? And then I never forget.

I tip the guy in Miami right over the pile, hit Patrick Chung on the thing. And he said he ripped his testicles off. They're like, they're gone. They're gone. I'm like, what? They're gone. What's a moment in New England that gives you PTSD? Oh, man.

I don't have many. Yeah, I don't have many. It was what it was. Like, if Tom get yelled at, you can get y'all at, you can get y'all at? It is what it is. And I just kind of just lived with it. And by that time, I got in in year seven. So by that time, I already understood the league.

So it's like, look, what happens, happens. If I'm going to mess up, I'm going to mess up, explain myself on it. But if I'm going to mess up, I won't do it fast and physical. And that was one thing that they never really harped on me about. I was just talking to Dietrich Wise a while ago about that. He said, the coaches talked to you differently. I was like, yeah, because I understood when I messed up, I wasn't going to say, I didn't mess up.

I said, I messed up, but hey, I hit him in the nuts, though. Yeah. And they were like, yeah, that's what it was. And that's what they showed it. Like, look, it was a solid play. It's just what it was. You had to swallow all your pride. I'm like, you're going to get yelled at.

You're going to get cussed at. You're going to mess up. They're going to blame you. This whole year in a team, I swear to God, me and Gilly were getting yelled at left and right. Like, we didn't know what we were doing. I'm like, you just paid Gilly all this damn money. I said, if he ain't shit, I ain't shit. Because you only gave me a little check.

But it was one of those things that it is, happens and I never forget again we're playing Tampa Bill made have put a fucking what's it six seven studs on and I can't play in those high ass cleats thicker cleats with softer grass and I hate them I only like modes and he'll have you got to play in them and by God I just did what I wanted to do that whole game and every single time I tripped and I was and I never forget

I went into Brandon Daley's office and he'll say like you're playing like a robot. He said, but that game you didn't, keep that up. If you're going to get yelled at, at least get yelled at doing what the fuck you want to do.

Instead of getting yelled at doing something they want you to do. And I was like, I appreciate that. Then I got a cortisone shot on my shoulder and it changed everything. Hell yeah.

I said, what is this? That's why Brennan Dailey's got six rings, baby. Six rings. Yeah. How about? Shut up. Daily.

Shout out. Daily was amazing. He was amazing. He was cool. Hey, what was it, Coney. Eili?

My guy. Hey, we came in the same time I got blisters on my feet because of the grass and the stupid ethotics I put little pads on my feet with a little second skin

every single game was what it was he didn't practice because he had blisters on his heels right and then he's like wasn't practicing BD had these little ass

fucking shorts probably up to here and like who's your daddy shorts and we're in the meeting and we have rows we're both sitting in the front row he's close to the BD Biddy's over there talking to him.

He put his leg up on top of that desk. Boom. Now you see all of them just like, he said, hey, bro, you don't got hard. And I'm just like, I don't got hard. Just me and him and him. He said he don't got heart.

I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, oh shit. I left to meet him. They're like, what I said, bro. I said, I don't know what the fuck out of his witness. Fucking Bidi's balls hanging out. They're sitting there. They're like, yeah, no tan.

No one has in this sitting in there. I'm like, bro. I said, this is how you get down here? That's brutal. This balls in the face. Some people here don't go. And the desk is high. It's like the size of the thing right here.

His leg is up there. No wonder, you didn't get that coaching point. Oh, my God. It didn't. What is a coaching point that sticks out from New England? Oh, man. The best.

coaching point was, and I tell people there, you know, it's so, so, it's such and so little, too, do not clap after the play. If you clap, you're fucked up. And now you let everybody know you messed up. Let them figure that out. And I was like, what? You said, if you clap, it means you messed up. Like that.

Let them figure out. Bill used to say it all the time. Brand did you say it all the time. Flow used to say, do not clap. So if I mess up, you'll see me. You'll never, you'll see any of my film. I'll never clap. You'll see people clapping.

And I'm like, I did that right. Y'all did it wrong. And they got to figure that out. Who was wrong on that? So I'm like, you got to do your job. I'm not going to clap. And that's what they said, do not clap after the play. Because as soon as you do it, that team knows you messed up.

And we know you messed up. Let only us know you messed up because we know what's going on. Let them figure it out. We got a new stunt. And I used to mess up on a couple of stunts. and we made into a brand new stunt because me and Malcolm Brown could not get this stunt correctly

and all of a sudden it came the stunt. And they were like the reason why. Well, the coaches don't, they didn't want the other coaches to see in film study what the scheme was. That's what he's saying. They said don't clap.

So when they're watching the film and they see you in this gap, they could think that that's the play instead of where the real play is. The number of got to study it. Body language. body language. These guys.

Everything's a trap to stop a trap or this or this. All right, we get it. Let's move on to the fucking lead up in this game. Let's run into his lead up. Don't clap. The Titans batting the guys.

No claps, no claps. We'll be right back after this quick break. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello. My gosh. Watch all your favorite podcasts from start to finish right inside the free I-Hare Radio app.

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I'm Rebecca Nagel. Gohyn, Taoadon, Jalike Yat, Lai, citizen of Cherokee Nation. Are you guys big chiefs fans? Hell yeah. This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be, and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Titans back in the playoffs, fifth seed, lost three or four in their last four in the regular season.

So kind of hit a skid there. But in the wild card round, huge win over Kansas City, down 21-3. come back and win that thing, 22, 21. Insane comeback. But as Lawrence mentioned earlier, they did lose DeMarco Murray in that one, so got banged up. He was not in this game, so that was a loss.

And that's, that hurt them. That was Alex Smith. Yes, this was pre-Patrick's rookie year. Yeah, this was Alex Smith. Kelsey was with Alex Smith, but yeah, no Pat. And so on the start was on team. Yeah, he was drafted this year. Right.

So this was the Alex, miss last game as a chief against as a yeah as a chief wow oh crazy to think you think about that you know and then it goes on to what they become it's kind of one of those like yeah i don't i don't see pat losing a 21 point leaded arrowhead you never know no i mean early young pat i mean even though young pat that we all saw was like MVP this is true nominal this is true the pads came in here number one seed first round by seven and one since week nine on their by week i mean you guys feel like you're at this point of the year like yeah about this point in year we were rolling I did, there's only a handful of things

that could have stopped us and that was just us. Again, we now we knew Matt, Patricia was gone. We're like, he's gone. Like, we were going, we're playing. Everybody was as healthy as they could be at New England standards. Can you play? Yeah, okay, cool, you're healthy.

But we were rolling. Like, we were stopping them, stopping to run, playing. Explain that to the listener, though. Like, explain the, like, the routine of what, When you're seven and one going into the playoffs, you're on role, everything up going to work is kind of fun. You go into work excited because you're seeing shit. Explain that to like what it means to be on a role. Oh, it's a momentum of that feeling and it's like, look, ain't nobody better in us right now.

We're going to go in here. And it's not just on Sunday. It's like it's during the week of practice. Because that comes down to scout team. Like, hey, give me the look that I need. because if you give me the look I need, we're going to fuck them up. You give me everything we need.

We're going to dominate every aspect of the game. And it was so precise and like, hey, your foot got to be bad. Hey, this got to be here. He ain't going to call that. Don't freelance. Don't do this. Just follow it.

And all we did was watch film. By the time we got home, there was no film to watch. You're just watching cutups. And by that time, I figured out the iPads and everything. We're just throwing cutups. And then I'm over.

here in my D-line room like, hey, this is the hand signal for this. Hey, this is a call for this. This is a snap count. This is that. And what is rolling. And by that week, everybody's identity was sealed and sewn. And what I mean by identity, everybody has a role in the game. And you understood that role.

And the whole thing is what Bill says, do not change your identity in big games. Say, who you are. If you don't spin, don't spin. If you don't jump over people. Don't jump over. Brandon Cucks will learn that one in the Super Bowl. You don't jump over people. Don't try to jump over people.

Just play your game. And if we do that, we can win. And we will just go in. I mean, because you got to think about it. 13 and 3. This is a fucking crazy great year. Yeah. You know, you're on a really good team.

And a lot of people don't realize, you know, when you go to work in the NFL. Like, when you were going to work with these last eight, these last two months of work, like everything was had a purpose and everyone was fueling off it everyone saw you know the results and all the work that you had been putting in since about week 12 and those last eight like that's when you're getting in a tip top shape seven and one got a winning street going everything's kind of running at the right level great work practices guys are getting healthy like this is like

the time when you go into this part of the season especially off a buy have an extra week to prepare like these this is a great football team going into this battle in Tennessee just so happens to be one of the first blockades and you know if you if you're going somewhere or not by that time yeah you knew you're going to the playoffs you didn't have a shot in my NFL said by these these entities last after November and December you know it's you guys can win this you know you're not it ain't knows you could hype the team up all you want to you have identity like hey we have a shot or we don't got a shot. And coming into this game, you had to stop the run to get through this blockade.

That was the first mission for this 2017 playoff Patriot team. And, you know, they just came out with a win in the first year of our weekend. This is the best team you've played so far. And the game goes. Let's break down this game. Starts out slow night game, Jolette, playoff game. Romo and Nance on the call. This is big time, baby. Three straight punts. A little slow start, but Tennessee opens a scoring 11 play, 95-yard drive, ends in a Corey Davis touchdown. We're down 7-0-0 going into the second

quarter here. Not great, but proceed to rattle off. How many straight? 35. 35 straight. James White Yeah, back-to-back to the offense. Yeah, yeah. That's it does. The defense stopped them three times. So after the first quarter,

right, after the first quarter, how are we feeling at 7-0, you guys, or it's 7-0 Tennessee. You want to know what happened when they ran that 9 to 5 yards We're on the field And we're all of like Yeah we can't win the game

If we keep doing this shit So we literally sat down And we started changing stuff up And like we gotta play better We got to do this better What did you change? The mentality Okay

It's just mentality And when people say they change There's only something Play as you could call What we had Oki front and someone We only had a certain amount of calls We had to change

The mentality understanding that they got a good drive. Do your fundamental. Play your solid ball. Move her adjustment. Change around. Play better. Pay and placement.

Read the call better. Do what you have to do. And that's the, so this is the best thing about defense. When people are like, oh, defense is very simple. And that's your safety. Then it gets a little hard.

But once you get towards that front seven, it's very simple. And with certain teams, they say, get ball, see ball, get ball. If you don't see that ball, you don't get the ball, it's a run. Us was like, look, play fundamental, strike hard, set the message, understand they're going to have big plays.

Don't let it do it again. And that's what it's the mentality. Like, look, we got to knock it out. You got to play this. You got to do a little bit extra. They'll sit on the sideline. Hey, he's struggling. Help out.

All right, cool. Hey, I have a weakness here. Don't worry. We got somebody coming down. Again, we had different linebacker coordinator. them because we had somebody injured. Those small adjustments that you have, it changes everything of like telling a three technique

to widening out a tad bit changes the blocking scheme for everybody. Yeah. A slightly move over. Blocking scheme changed. That's how simple it is when you go to the offensive defense line that you could literally say one word and it could mess everybody up. Well, when did you feel the momentum shifted?

because after the first quarter, it's 7-0. And then all of a sudden, defense is playing hot. Eight sacks. You got playoff Dolo with 11 catches. You got Gronk being Gronk scoring touchdowns. Deion Lewis shifted. You got Hogan making. Like, the offense turns it on.

When did you feel the moment? Like, was that a feeding? You feed off the offense and then, or are they feeding off of you guys? When did the momentum flip in this game? Because you guys go 35 straight points. Games, fuck, you guys are running on the clock? out after the second quarter damn near. What was the time of possession?

TOP in this. It was a little closer than I thought it was, but it was 32 to 27. What was it in the second quarter? Can you pull it up? Let me do a little advanced analytics here. You think about that because it comes down to if we could stop them and Tom

holds up, Tom will hold the ball for like 10 minutes. When you get a 10 minute drive, it's hard to tell yourself, hey, we can't do this. 10 minute drive, even if it's only three points is a win for the defense. No, that's, that's, that's, that's big, people don't realize. Great memory from LG here.

They only had it for, the defense is sitting there like, oh, shit, we got, we got, we got, we got some time. We're good. Yeah, we had it for, even if it's only three points. If you can only get a field goal. That's why I see all these goddamn analytics and everyone going for it on forward. I'm like, what the hell, man, defense going on? Yeah, they have for 547 compared to our, um, our 941.

So it was, no big that is. Pretty big. Yeah. You make a stop. Tom holds the ball. We make it stop. They score a touchdown. We get the ball back.

They score another touchdown. You run in there like they haven't scored, scored, scored. That right there itself stops everything. Yeah. And when I mean it stops everything, it stops everything. Time and possession is life for us. So it flips to 21 to seven at halftime. Now it is chilling.

What's BB say a half? Remember? Keep the foot on the gas. They're about to break. They're about the break. I'm just telling you, fellas, you keep the foot on the gas. We got them, boys. They're going to break.

And then as far as momentum goes in time of possession, you feel like they're pressing a little bit, going for it on fourth and one at the end of the half on the New England 42, big stop from the defense. Huge. Almost sneak three points in. Steve-on misses it, a 53-yarder. Gino over here with two sacks.

Insane. Elite. That's how everybody was rolling. Yeah. You know, I'm big on field goals because I did field goal protection. That's right. And it was everything. So when they miss.

If I don't, if my memory is correct on that, I won. I don't, is that, it could have been the one I probably messed up on that field goal. Something like that occurred, maybe. Because I remember after this season, I switched up how I protected the field goal because Tune had a leg injury at that time. Look, fellas. You know, we do all the right situations. situational stuff.

We get the ball down. We clock it. It doesn't matter if we don't make the kick. And it was huge. Remember he something he would say all the time. So I saw the uppercut in people. Oh my God. So if you go watch it,

like I drop my right arm or I drop my left arm. All that means is as soon as you come across, I'm literally just throwing an uppercut. And I only got called once on it. And they looked at me and I never forget Bill. Like, what were you doing? I said, like, I bet he won't come off that edge again. I just literally uppercut it every single person.

Like, what the fuck are you doing? It is, let me be. And I, I just jumped over the defensive lineman in Kansas City. Oh, yeah. You guys get eight saxes game. What was working? Oh, God, everything was working. By that time, they're flusher.

You can't run the ball. We knew they couldn't pass the ball. You stopped the run. You win the game. You played from ahead. They got to throw. Adam Butler, people don't get him the credit that he deserves.

Adam Butler is one of the weapon that he just could turn his shoulders and get through the line. Slippery. Beast. But he did it for everybody. And he's great at Fortnite. He's really good at Fortnite.

Remember he was really good at like, Adam, where we drop him, Mueller? Shout out. He's still in the league, I think. Yeah, he's with the Raiders. They did give him a contract. No stranger to the battle bus. But again, he wants you to get a sack.

He doesn't care about himself. That's a good team guy. Yeah. And that's what happened. He's over there running. When I mean, we had this calls to this run plays, the quarterback is that they're just doing stuff. I'm like, you guys did this running plays. It was just always something going on.

And like I said, that show, like, but Gino getting in two sacks just shows you. Geno. It's running because Marriota. Like, I don't know how you got to feel about Marriota. Yeah. My point. So we knew he stopped the run. He ain't going to beat up with his arm.

And Bill will tell you this all the time. If it's not a great quarterback or the quarterback don't have confidence, make them beat us with their arm. Because we got the staff and we got the packages to stop them. And that's just how it goes. And we can see by the third downs right there. It's crazy. Like the third downs they had and the fourth downs they had.

It's just what it is. And it goes over that. And there's no turnovers. Zero turnovers. Which is also. Except the fourth down. The one fourth down, that's one turnover. We got to give some love to the defense,

especially in this third quarter. Three plays on the first drive for negative two yards. These are Tennessee's drives. Three plays on the second drive minus seven yards. Three plays on the third drive of the quarter for negative six yards. I mean, that's an insane drive chart. By the time I start sitting on the sideline looking at people like this, they're like, what you're doing?

I said, my time is done. And I said, it's all your time. And I had to sit there. I was like, I did my job. He said, what you doing? field goal. I said, we don't got to do

field goal block, I'm going to be their own field goal and it's impressive because it showed us like this game was these running backs I think DeMarco Morrie

not being there hurt them a lot and that's why I don't remember him being there it hurt them a lot because he was having a good season

if we stopped the run we could do anything because who do we play next Jacksonville and we can stop Derek carrying their runoff and how many yards he's had

Jacksonville had no shot. And we knew they didn't have no shot. And I could tell you the turning point in that game, is Lina Fernette came in the huddle, tried to dab people up as we were losing. And during TV timeout, we all pushed him out the huddle, and it changed him.

It snapped, boom. I said, oh, he messed up. Yeah. I said, you don't dab off people. What are we doing, bro? We're in a playoff. He's over there like, yeah. We're like, bro, we're losing right now.

It changed everything. But all we have to do is get past this team. we get past this team Jacksonville can't stop us it was a close game that can't stop us what's your favorite moment from this game sitting on the sideline

watching you guys work I'll just be real with you sitting on the side of watching you guys work means I did my job it means I did my job if I'm on the field a lot being the runoffrey either did your job or you really didn't do your job

one of those two things happened and it's just watching it and it was such a good game to be a part of off. It was fun. It was exciting. We played as a unit. We did it. Like, my job ain't sparse and lies. You get all this. I did the dirty work. Yeah. So when you're doing the dirty work, that team win of holding people to low yardage, it's probably the best filling in the world. Because you ain't going to get that thing. The only person is going to give you your cookies and your

flowers is built. Yeah. Bill. I'm like, oh, look, you guys did a good job. Everybody else is like, what did you guys do? Like, I have two people. people up at one time and this person got a tackle for loss. Well, I got a tackle for here. Like a good game with like, hey, we got four or five tackles, you know, maybe one for no game when there. It was just our job. At 47 yards of rushing.

That was my good job. It's impressive. Hell, Derek Henry to 12 carries on 28 yards. Jesus. I mean, 2.3 yards. Wow. So there's huge aftermath to this game. Jack, break it down.

There's a lot of aftermath to this game. The Patriots, as we said, would advance to their seventh straight AFC championship. game win that close one against the jaggs 24 to 20 shout out stephan gilmore for the little tip there um then fall of philie a huge game dole up massive game playoff dola um follow the eagles in the super bowl unfortunately 41 33 uh mattie p would leave for the Detroit job uh Tennessee on the other end would bring in mike vrable right in 2018 is he uh their head coach started his tenure there in 2018 2019 another run baby back to the super bowl this time beat the Rams 13 to 3.

That was a fun season. Lawrence gets his first Super Bowl ring. That was a tough season. Dules win Super Bowl MVP. But it was fun. That was an old school season. Remember we skipped minicamp? We were doing like old school days and stuff like that.

Yeah, we talked to. Remember when I told you Bill did a time lapse about how teams used to prepare in like 1920 or something? What part of the year was this? It was a offseason? It was a minicamp day. Oh, minicam. So in the spring? It was the funest season ever.

And people don't get it. We lost all those three games, I believe, the first four weeks. We lost 18. We were one in three. Yeah. We lost to Jacksonville. And we lost to, um. I was on a vacation.

I was, I think we lost to Miami, right? Miami was, that was the miracle year for Miami. Yeah, beat Miami the, that was in the later. So it was Texans, one, beat the Texans, lost to the Jags, lost to the Lions. Yeah. The one and two started one and two. We lost all the shitty teams.

Yeah. They didn't, they had. We just lost it the shitty teams. And it got to a point, well, how fun this was. Because I remember we were the Flows first year as coordinator. And we went to. Dr. Blitz. This attack.

So what is attacking one gap? Bill was like, you're either front side or backside. Everyone, this guy thinks he's Rex Ryan. Everyone's the line of scrimmage. Hey, it was amazing for me. Remember? I loved it. Bring everyone in line of scrimmage.

We used to deal with that back in, like, 2011 with the Jets. Rex Ryan used to do a lot of that shit. loved it. Loved it. He would always get the time. Can you, before we move on, can you guys break down this old school day? I've heard this in legends.

It sounds insane. What Bill did? It was old school day. We literally watched films. They only had like three plays. They had projector films. And then you went into the cafeteria and there was hot dogs, coffee,

and cigarettes. Yeah. Like guys, coaches were literally smoking in, in the facility. And then like some dumb ass guys were smoking cigarettes. They got the black. miles on the practice feels smoking cigarettes yeah there was only water they had oranges like it was

and then it was just like he wanted to show us what it was like for these guys that had second jobs playing in the national football that's insane it was fun though that's so we did like all their warmups and shit we did everything we practiced in like their uniforms and stuff it was it was fucking it was forward passes we'll be right back after this quick break You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello. My gosh.

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and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. No, it was, it was fun. And that we did, we did the, um, the charade thing too when we pretended to be other people. Yeah. We did like acting thing that year. We did a whole bunch of stuff.

We again, we sucked the first couple of games. So funny. Um, but it was a blast that year. And people don't talk about it. It's probably the, the funniest year of being on that team of what they did with Bill. Bill has made it. Because Jack, Jack was doing all this stuff. organizing.

Kobe came in that year. Oh, we heard about that. We did everything to the point. It was unique. I don't know about everybody else, but it's fun winning on a way trips, you know,

because you come back. 18. We're over there whooping ass, drinking the keel on a flight, having a good old time, and it was just one of those things. It was like, hey, there was nobody that could stop us.

This was a year, like, we're winning. No matter what happens, we're going to win. And we just knew it. Yeah. Yeah, but it started out chunky. Yeah, we were two and two.

Because we, Wilson, blitz and everything. Yeah. We had to learn our team, and it was a new team. It was, it was, what? I think I was top three for tackles for loss in the NFL going in in a week seven. We'll just moving. We were definitely. Then we went back to that tilt front for defense.

For offense, we didn't, it was a struggle to learn where we were, because we were holding on by, we were all getting starting to get old. Yes. You guys were old. Yeah, we were. 32 then. Still got the job done, though. Still got the job done.

I was my late 20s. I was good. It's prying. Young Buck, LG. That's prime. All right. All right. Let's name the game and score the game.

We came up with a group of names. If you have a specific name, we'll go with that name. But listen to ours first. We have the eight sack game. We have the divisional round beat down. And then we have the Tennessee torching. The divisional round beat down. Trouncing.

No, torching is good, too, though. I like them both. Torchion is great. Torching down. really good. The beat down is it sounds like, hey, you can make a whole song on that. Divisional round beat down. Yeah. I like that. I like that. Let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. The decimals are encouraged. The stakes of this divisional round game. Zero to 10 decimals encourage LG. I want to go home. Eight. Eight.

I like it. That's a pro score. Pro score. I'm going to go 7.9. What are we doing? Pisa challenges? I mean, did you not hear me say three times decimals and courage? 8.3, we're all in the same bar. Desmals and courage.

Oh, look, I was closing. Yeah, we're all in the same ballpark. Somebody got to fail. All right. The star power of this game. I mean, on our side, a lot of stars. John Brady, Jamie and the Donald's guy. What's the say on your side?

On our side, a lot of stars. So we're doing, we're including all teams. Everything. Everything. I mean, we've had even guys in the crowd. Crowd. Jim Nansen in the booth, Tony Romo in the booth. I mean, you have a good crowd.

But look, 9.5. Wow. 9.5. I mean, 9.5. You have the goat out there. You do have the go. I'm a goal. Tony in a booth. Shout out, Tony. 8.4. I don't know, Jim.

8.4. I went with a, 8.2. We're all in the same ballpark. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Look at us, guys. Same. Same. Same. Let's go. Game play of the game.

tight, couple three and outs to start the game, defensive battle for a little bit then the defense eight sack daddy's offense goes 35 unanswered. It's a routing. The gameplay of this game zero to ten decimals encouraged. I'm getting a rhythm going on up.

8.5. I like it. 8.5. I'm getting a little rhythm how it's going to be scored. I'm going to go with an 8.1. Price is right. I want with a 7-5.

A little low for me, but we're in the same ballpark. And finally. And then finally, the division round beat down. Say that a thousand times. The name of the game, we score the name of the game, 0 to 10 decimals encouraged. I'll get that a 9.2. Nice. Pro score, pro score.

It is a good sound. I'm going to go with 8.9. 8.9. Let me see what I did before we did this. 6.1. little low, but all right, I guess I'll stick with it. Pretty good. What's the grand total? Let's see our grand total here.

8.22. 822. Where's that go? Or that takes us. It's pretty high. Top 50. Yeah, that puts us at, let me see here. 2015, Ford. Yeah, we're, that's our new 40th,

I believe. Just between the, the homestead Miami Speedway race and that's when he, He did. Eastern Conference semifinals, Pistons Nets.

And then also right below the Iron Man match. The Miracle Miami and the divisional round. See, it's a divisional round. That's the divisional round area. Yep. Yeah. Pretty solid.

Top 50. Top 50. Let's go. Do we ever talk about how that play happened in the Miracle Miami? Did anybody ever talk about that? We had Brandon Bolden talk about it. We had BB Hulk smash in here.

Yeah. Talk about it. And then we also had Gronk talk about it. Yeah. Let's get your side. Which years? So Devin McCordy never been off that play, ever.

Bill pulls him out and puts Gronk in. And everybody's sitting on the sideline, like, why? It's like, gronks only in there for a jump ball. There ain't no way the ball's going that far. Who was the quarterback? Who was the quarterback at that time? Tana Hill. There's no way he's throwing a ball.

And I think they were under 20 or something. Was it Tana? No, it wasn't Tana Hill. I think it was. Tentahill already and what's the call? Let me double check. here. Who was it?

No. It wasn't Tana Hill. Are you sure it wasn't? Was he gone by then? He was gone. It was Anahill. Tadahill. Yeah.

He had a shoulder or something that year? No, but regardless. He ain't throwing 89 yards. He turned out. And all of a sudden, Bill goes to the sideline and says, hey, Grant, go in there and take that out. And Flo's like, you'll see people on the sign. Like, what's going on?

And they did that in a miracle of Miami bullshit. and what's sitting there? You said it. And I'm like, what the fuck is it? This is the bad part about it. By the time it gets done, I'm still sitting on the sideline, like, they got to kick a fill goal. But they changed the rules. You didn't have a kick of a full goal.

I'm like, look. And Joe Judge is like, nah, bro, they changed the rules. You don't got to do it because in my head process, I was like, block it. I'm going to jump to snap and fuck up the center. And at least if I can't block it, I'm going to make them do it. We don't got to do it. He's like, nah, go into the locker room.

when we're sitting there and Float comes in the next day, like if nobody's going to take responsibility of what occurred that day, I'll do it. That's a coach's fault. And we went in that medium room and Bill lit us all up on those low lights and it was your guys' fault because we shouldn't have been in this situation. Look at this, play, this play.

And we're just going back and forth. And nobody wants to bring up why was Grunk in the game. I am, hey, you said it. It didn't look good either. It was so size 18 feet. It means, it looks so unathletic. I mean, usually a tackle and drill is like 20 yards by 20 yards. That's 52 and a third or 53 to third.

It made no sense. Yeah, yeah. But field tackle for Grancowski against a running back is very tough when you have no help. And don't forget, I think two people just gave up on the play. Like, they just stopped running. We don't know. We know. We're here to shine the brightness of the good day.

We remember how that season ended. That's all that matters. It was the calcification that that team needed before it went on its run. Spark to win a Super Bowl in 28. I don't remember that ceremony that much either. I was drunk by the time. That was the best kind. Those are the best kind.

We had a coach peon, RKK's bathroom like Daddy Daycare. Everywhere and I had to help this coach. I ain't going to mention them out of help this coach. I'm drunk. I'm helping his coach up to RK's house. We're in there. And the way his house is set up, the bathroom's right here, his living room is right here,

the former with a white furniture. And I'm a name of the head security guy, he walked in the bathroom. He said, he fucking peed everywhere. Oh, my God. And I'm laughing. And this person's wife is like, it's not funny. I'm like, it is.

Like, he daddy day cared this shit. Those are the funnest parties because we know semi how all the guys are in the locker room, right? You know, like when we're all having fun but this is when everyone in the building you see the equipment staff hammered. Everybody.

You see the coaches hammered. You see everyone is having a good time and it's like the first time that you see everyone in the organization together having a great time. Super Bowl parties are the best. It's so great. I yanked up T.I.

I also junk, drunk, I yanked up his little ass and take a photo. And it's in his body guard Looked out him. It was like Oh my God I ain't gonna mess with him. He bigger than me. Man. Oh God.

The good days. It was great. Trip Brown got me from the bar. Who? Tripp Brown had to physically get me from the bar from taking shots. Freaking old, big old trend. And I said thank you as you walked me to my wife.

I was like, thank you. I didn't really want to take that shot, but I was in it. Oh my God. Man, we miss anything from this game, LG? No. I said this was the definition of a game. When it comes down to playing complimentary football, we did it.

The offense held true, the defense held true. It didn't start good, but it ain't it fantastically. And everybody knows that feeling when you went on a playoff game, you know what's next. Oh, my God, it's the best feeling in the world because you've got to get through one team and go to the Super Bowl. Doesn't matter how the outcome was because we know how that game went. But it was a fantastic game, and it shows.

It doesn't matter how good you're running back is and how good your runoffice is. If you play sound defense, it's going to get shut down. So fun hearing and learning about these types of games. You know, the important games to the big guys. Like, this isn't like a flashy game that everyone remembers. But, like, to, like, the real football heads, the guys that really know ball.

Stopping Derek Henry in that offense and the rush attack that they have and playing the game we had. The complimentary football, super, super fun. Everyone, go check out the Lawrence Guy Foundation. Anything else you plugging? Hey, Lawrence Guy Femarine Foundation, it's the best thing I could do.

You know, once we leave the game, people kind of forget to stop their foundation work. And my biggest thing when I started my one, like, it got to continue. Got to continue. Because what we do off the field is bigger than what we do on the field because most of the time you're going to be remembered by a glimpse of what you do and how you are. You're going to be remembered more about who you are as a person, what you're doing the community out there because you're going to make sure that everybody succeeds and grows.

I think that's the biggest part of it. And that's when you go down to the locker room and locker room guys, they were like, this is what this person did to me. He helped me grow, and that's why I continue to do my foundation, because when I did for the next play, I wanted to do for the next family. The Lawrence Guy Family Foundation. Let's go. Are we dropping gyms on my words?

I just got told that a couple days ago. I mean, before we let you go, before we let you go, I ask one last question. What does football mean to you? Football is everything. Football is an opportunity to get out your service. circumstance. Football's opportunity to build a brotherhood is the biggest fraternity in the world. The growth that you have on the field, off the field, the growth that you have as an

individual to confidence level. And I tell this to everybody when I still get the call from young guys, everybody in my locker room is going to do the same thing. This is our outlet. We could talk to each other. We could express each other's emotions. We could live and beyond that. And football becomes more of a family. I just had them a quarter. the twins at my house, they're the godfathers and the wife's of the godmother's, my two twins. It's one of those things that it's bigger than the game what people think about it is. Yeah, the game stops once you put the pads down, but it doesn't stop when you build that brotherhood.

It continues to go. You're not how many times you talk to somebody, but once you see them, it all comes back. And that's what football means. Football means everything because it's an aspect to show each other the true individual emotion of each other. That's beautiful. Hell of an answer. You know, one thing, though, I understand Jason being a godfather.

Dev, I don't know. You know, that was kind of an A-hole. Just saying, Jason, Jason, my guy. Dave, I don't know, bro. Hey, he's my teammate. I'm like, I'm like, hey, Jay. I looked at Dev one day. He was like, what you got? I said, I got moonshine cherries.

He said, what are these? I said, you want to try some? You're like, hey, Dewey, you don't want no part of this? I'm like, hey, Deb, you don't want no part of this, bro. I got these moon signs, cherries. Hey, it was everything. And we do, every year we link up. The families come down in Florida.

We go up there to New Jersey. That's awesome. It's something. But he is exactly what he. I saw him at the Jack Wilde practice and I saw the head to start moving. I said, he's being an asshole right now. Hey. This is what he is.

It's just what he is. So many got to be that. Hey. So many guys. a serious one, something got to be the assholes, someone got to be the jokers. It got to be there and somebody got to be the shit talker. That's why they couldn't get enough with us in the training room.

These are him or me. And you get all those characteristics with Jason and death. 100%. They're amazing. What it takes. LG, thanks for coming on, bro. Appreciate you having me. That was awesome.

That was awesome. All LG. He got, he got stories. We got LG here for part too easy. We just got to do it. Storytime with LG. Story time with LG sign me up any day of the week. Because he's got some stories that I forgot about and that he was telling me

it might have to be after hours. Bro, it sounds like that D-Line room was on X-Games mode at all times. What was going on over there? Guys, I mean, this just tells you the complexity. Yeah, I mean, it's the locker room is a wild ecosystem, man. What a chip challenge, hot gummy bear challenge. No, LGO is a challenge guy. He's a challenge guy.

But he would always do it to like the equipment peeps or the physical, the PT. You know, he was pretty good with all those guys. I like that. Like he's coming off like he was like he could be assholy, but like he was very endearing to those people as well. I like that. You know what I mean? Like he did that stuff. Like a lot of those guys, the guys that were like the biggest assholes kind of, they would take care of.

It's out of love. You know, it was more of like a show. Honestly. It keeps it fun. Keeps these days fun. It was, and it's just kind of what we all saw from the generation before. Yeah, dude. We learned from the best.

My man's like T.J. laughing out the way he's hosting challenges. They're just trying to be like, you know, I don't know. I love it. LG, come on back whenever, dog. LG. That was awesome. Congratulations on twins. Twins, Basil, Twins.

Unbelievable. What is that from Austin Powers? Austin Powers. Oh my God. Bro, Mike Myers said they're making a fourth. He was on some pod the other day. he said it no way

crazy right how cool I would love to see you awesome powers rocks squeeze me squeeze me oh behave oh yeah

suck it to me baby that's due for a rewatch with his legs and suck it to me do for a rewatch do for a rewatch

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