Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - NFL Coaches Stories

Episode Date: April 5, 2026

Cam Jordan, Rich Ohrnberger, Keyshawn Johnson and Jay Glazer tell stories about legendary coaches including Bill Parcells, Sean Payton, and Dante ScarnecchiaSupport the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Quick pivot. I mean, you actually won. There's no point you're all about what could have happened. Sean Payton, come on, man. Sean is awesome. Are you surprised that he's doing what he's doing in Denver? Having success? Yeah.

No, he's a winner. Yeah. Bro, like, again, the arrogance of winning. Like, you don't know if you can lose if you never lose. Yeah. That's like saying, you know, every year for the last, like, two years, three years now, you've looked at the Kansas City Chiefs and you hear media talk about, Oh, they don't look as strong as they did in 20.

Oh, they're back to back football champions. Until they lose this thing, they've won this thing in their minds. When you don't know how to lose, then you don't worry about losing. Other teams are like, we got to find a way to win. And they're like, yeah, so we're going to win. Just don't trick it off. Just make less mistakes. Yeah.

This is how we win. This is how we've won. This is how we'll continue winning. Yeah. Sean Payton was great because that's exactly what he put on the board every week. He said, hey, these are the three things that we need to win. Keys. Three key points would be force fumble here.

This guy, they think he's all world. We're going to take that away from him. We're going to make them beat them any other way. And don't have this many penalties. And that's how we win. And sure enough, we'd come in and he'd like, this is how we won the game. Boom, boom, boom. Or like, well, we lost because out of these three key points,

we took X away, we had more turnovers. We lost the penalty game. These penalties led to 90-something yards. You know what 97-7 yards equals? Ended up being seven points. know how much we lost by four you know like he's methodology wins and he's a big he's a big numbers guy big stats guy like you percentage wise this is where you come out with all that and when you have success that way you fully buy in good coaches know how to simplify complex matter for because

you know we are football guys we're not fucking rocket scientists so if you have a bunch of complex like shit. You're trying to explain that to... Some of your best players are single-minded, like single-focused, single-mindly-focused people. Like, man, go quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, drop me the coverage.

Huh? Play man. Yeah. You know what I mean? You simplify it. If you get guys on the same page, that's half the battle. That's it. Yeah.

That's half the battle. Drew Restore, anything? How was Drew? Drew is amazing, dude. Great leader? Just like, the things that you think, quarterback, do, that's what he did. You know, like, he's the first one in, first one out.

Absolutely. He always takes care of his body. His body, he's got his body work. Absolutely. He's, even when he's not in, he's still doing all the checks, for sure. Even when he's not throwing because he's older or whatever it is, he's still making all the checks. He's with the towel.

He's out there, that press cotton. You know what I'm saying? Hip, twist. Got him. Got him. He's calling things back. Even if he completes during practice, he's like, complete no deep ball to Mike Thomas or Trey Kwan or whoever it is at the time, Big Cook, Jared Cook, right?

And he's like, I didn't like that. He'd be like, bro, what is he looking at? You know, he's visualizing his success. But just the way that he took to the game, like, you admired it. He had the same routine. He never got a routine. You knew what he was going to eat, you know, before game day. Hotel one time tried to give him mac and cheese or whatever, like chili mac, I think, was his big thing.

And they were like, oh, we caught the, the breeze chili mac, whatever it was, right? beef noodles, weak marineria, and that was it, right? But they put hell of cheese on there. And Drew doesn't, didn't eat cheese at the time

or whatever it was. And he was like, now I can't eat that. Like, real specifically, like, no, I thank you for everything, but like, I can't eat that.

I don't do this. And by the time he sat down, cheese was gone, name was gone, fresh, noodles was out. And I said, okay,

the Drew Bree's way. Yeah. The DB9. No, TB-12. Yeah. This is a DB-9 method right there. Yeah, he may not even eat gluten anymore,

but at the time he was eating noodles noodles, you know? Like that was the thing. He'd have a bowl and like everybody knew about it. Wow. I was like, dang, I got to get there. But I'm a fat kid, but I'm a fat kid. But you're not a fat kid because that's a lineman. Offens line.

No, no, that's an obese kid. So you're a fat kid, but the offensive lineman is an obese kid. Yeah, morbidly discussing individuals. I like big guys. Next up, we got Rich Ornberger in the infamous story of Matt Light's mouse prank on Dante Scarnicchio. What's something that stands out with? Matt Light that you remember. Matt light. Oh, man. In a meeting. Matt one time, he put a, I don't even know what to call it, a microchip or he switched out

the mouse on Dante Scarnikia's computer. He told that story. Oh, he told it on the, okay. So I won't repeat the story. Well, I'll give you the briefest version. So basically this, this little mouse, it messes with the cursor on the screen. So it'll work. It'll work. for about five minutes, but at some point you can have it on a timer. It's going to go away from where you're trying to point to. So Dante, for, I'm not kidding, the better part of like 10 weeks of a season

thought that the IT guys in New England were complete idiots. He was like, I mean, they come in and they're over here, circle jerking around the computer and nothing's getting fixed. I can't fucking teach. If I can't click on the right, I'm trying.

And then they would walk in and be like, Dante, what are you trying to click? I'm trying to click on cut up number two, you know, and he's giving them the business. And then they try it with the mouse. But Matt, when Dante would leave to get the IT guys, pull it out, he would switch it back out. And nobody would see him do it. So then the IT guys would come in and be like, yeah, Dante, like the mouse works. Like, everything's cool. And so Dante thought he was going nuts or he thought they were lying to him. It was like this, it went on so much longer than was fair. Like Dante Scarnet.

was losing his fucking mind that year and it was all Matt Light. It was all his fault. It was incredible. I still don't know if Dante knows what happened that year. I don't think he knows. It was incredible. Yeah. But then Dante was the ringleader. He had to try to find a way to rein in all of this. Like in, I mean, to this point in my life, I don't know if I saw a more cohesive unit on any football field than the New England Patriots offensive line when he was at the head of the class because Dante, he just found a way to connect with everybody. He was an amazing teacher. He'd slow it down for some. He'd speed it up for others. He spent the time after practice. There are so many coaches, assistant coaches, who are in a rush to get off the field.

He really spent the time with us. And I benefited greatly because my whole life, I feel like every single situation I've ever walked into, I'm an unfinished product, like by leaps and bounds, like, I look around me. I'm like, why is everybody so much better than me? And like, I need, needed help and Dante gave me help. I love that man. He taught me hard lessons. He taught me the right lessons. He, he was an incredible coach. Incredible teacher too. I saw that when we, when he was gone. You know, I remember I didn't realize it until he was gone because I remember when he would, he would yell at these linemen. He would yell at you guys. Oh my God. And I want to get into your welcome to the NFL moment with Dante Scarnacchio after this. But he would yell at guys in front of the,

in the offensive meeting, but he would yell, he would, he would call him a fat fuck or a fat piece of shit, but then he would follow it up with the technique that you had to do. So he'd go,

you fat fuck, put your right foot, drop it right here, and you put your left hand right there instead of a coach that's just yelling, like, come on guys, we gotta do it better than that.

Like he would give you play for play what you needed to do to get it right. And that's what I saw he was such a fucking great coach. One, thousand percent. You know what I mean?

It wasn't just like, hey, you screwed it up. No. Do better. It was like, this would be a Dante line. He would be like, hey, ass eyes. What the fuck were we doing in the meeting room the entire time before we took the goddamn field? And you'd be like, I'm not sure there was so much. And he would be like, we were working on, you know,

whatever we called it there. You know, if the Mike Backer is mugged up in the A gap and he bails, you got a pop if you're the center and look out to the fucking right because Sam's screaming off the edge and you're like, okay, I'm sorry. But like, you're hearing all this. And like, meanwhile, internally, you're doing all this stuff I was just doing. And like, on the outside, you're just like, you got it, Dante. Yes, sir. And don't call me, sir, motherfucker. That just means fuck you. And you're just like, okay, now another thing to remember, I can't call him, sir. It was, like, it was intense. It was intense. But it was incredible because you learned you learned really quick who was going to survive and who wasn't there were guys who

could handle the pressure and that's all it was it was just a pressure test if you can't handle a five foot six uh assisting coach who you know i mean like he wouldn't be able to knock you over if he tried shouting in your face at practice how the hell are you going to be able to handle the Cincinnati Bengals or the Seattle Seahawks or the Dallas Cowboys like you better be able to handle this. Otherwise, you're not going to do any of that. Next up, Jay Glazer talks about the exclusive NFL coaches parties. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week

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Okay, so that's the 18th annual Jay Glazer, Mike Tomlin, day drink a day. 18th annual. I never really talked about this. Hi, man. Right. And what we started doing years ago, so when you become a head coach in the NFL, I've helped a lot of guys.

You're in a club. But also, you have no idea what's about to come across your desk. So you know how fucked up everybody is in your locker room, okay? For the most part, somewhat. But when you're an assistant coach, you don't know. And all of a sudden, this stuff comes across your desk. You can have five psychology and psychiatry degrees. It will not prepare you because you find out how, listen, you can't be on this level and not be fucked up, right?

You got to be crazy to be great. And now you're dealing with the craziness of these players, front office, coaches, scouts, wives, Travel. Everything. Everything. Everything's on the head coach's table. And all of a sudden it's like, boom, this is on you. So we started doing this just to teach these cats, hey, this is about to come across your desk and be ready.

But also, I want to connect everybody. Wait a minute. So they can lean into each other. Jay, are you basically saying, you know how we have the rookie symposium? Pretty much. Yeah. The NFL puts on. Pretty much.

You made the coaches symposium by Jay Glazer for these coaches to. And my tomlin. To show them how to deal with the. responsibilities of a head coach. Pretty much. And also, we should call this something. We call it the annual jigs.

Mike Tom and Day Drink a day. We need T-shirts or something. And we were thinking about that. Sean McVeigh, John Lynch are on the board. Are like the special teams coaches, the fall guys there, you know, like, hey.

No, because it's only head coaches. Oh, it's totally. Yeah. It's still, if the owners, owners, presidents, head coaches, something.

Do they hit up like one of the, hey, yo, I'm over at this hotel. Give us that bottle of a whiskey I told you about. But even like, They come over and they look into the party like, man, that's where all the big dogs are. Because Andy Rie goes, why don't I never get invited?

He's beer bonging something. Hey, get out of yours. O-C. But it's so, it's less information's power, but also like these guys a lot of times don't know. Again, it's like hard to ask an assistant coach for advice. I think now more than ever, you need help, you need communications, you need a team. So if you don't know what you're doing, you can't ask your offense coordinator, how do I handle this? You can ask another head coach.

So that was part of the thing, too. I want to bond guys together so they can lean on each other and go, hey, man, how would you handle this? How have you handled that? And it's been fantastic. And it's, again, we've done it for 18 years. He gets some really cool relationships. But also, like, I have a different relationship than all the other guys.

Always have. Now, who's the coolest hang of the coaches? They're all great. It's all the shit that we say over there. But the shit we say over there is a good insider. Is hilarious. So, like, so Sean McVeigh last year gets up and says to Nick Siriani straight out. Nick,

I think I speak on behalf of all of us. We all have a problem with your in-game etiquette. Right straight to it, right? And we start laughing. Nick's like, what are you talking about? I got fine a quarter million dollars for what happened to me last year. And Sean Payton says, what are we talking about? I got fined eight million.

Fuck out of here. So the shit we say. But like Andy Reid this year is like, why don't want to not get invited? I said, because you don't drink. He goes, well, that's not fair to me. I said, it's a fair point. Okay. But it's such a cool fraternity that we've built up over there.

You don't. All you got tells us Andy, we got those chickens. He's great. You got those chicken nuggets. It's a really cool man, ma'am. Andy's so cool. Remember we went to the practice at Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's the best one. That was the first time I really met him outside the game. Really? Yeah, and I fucking, like, he pulled me in and poked me, you know, like, he was fucking cool. He's everybody's favorite uncle. It's like, you don't want to disappoint him. Yeah.

Now, who's got the ox cord out of the coaches? Who's, who's playing the music? I think it's, that's a good question. No, because we're out of place. so it's their music. So every hotel. By the way, Kevin O'Connell, he is our, we gave him a board position to.

He's our secretary of stuff. Secretary, he's got to get the shit. He's got a secretary of stuff. Because he's not in the Super Bowl club. He's the secretary of stuff. So like Siriani technically got more pool than KOC. No, no, he's not in the board. He's not a board.

He's not in the board. But Lynch is on the board and he's the only GM that really comes. Because he's there. He's just different. But yeah, we created boards just because it's whole thing's fucking silly and stupid. It's like, well, as Tomlin says, he's like, dude, it's like we started the fraternity from old school.

Yeah. Guys are like, he's like, I'm at, like, at pro days and guys are like, hey, when is it? What day? Where are we going? He's like, what the fuck have we started? Yeah. Like, we're just being us. You're my boy, blue.

Fucking Tomlin comes in. Mike T's the coolest. Mike T. Who's the new coach this year? This is what I think. Mike Tomlin jumps out of a van with a mask on, pulls in fucking Kellyn Moore, looks at his wife and says, tell anyone about this, I'll fucking kill you. She's, oh, I'm back by nine.

Throws him in the van, they run off, they're going to coach's camp. I mean, is this, is Kellan Moore in it now? Was he there? He was there? Yeah. Now, he's fucking better be there. He's quiet, huh?

He's quiet. The new guys are there quiet? Yeah. That's just how it goes, huh? Yeah, yeah. New guys are quiet. Yeah, Ben Johns was there. Kellen was there.

Who else? Like, who was there? Braves. Was Vrabs there? Was Vrabs there? Now, now how's Vrabs? in the circle of coaches. Well, it used to be hilarious because it was Vrable,

Billy O'Brien, Doug Marone, and those guys were like, even though there's three of them, they were like the two old guys from the Muppets, right? They were classic. It's great, it's such a great time. But Mike T's kind of the, he's the godfather of Dahl.

Everybody kind of wants to be around Mike T. He's, he's, he's dynamic, dude. And he is, look, I've been friends with him since he was a debut coach. What's his name, George Lucas? Who's the guy from an American, American Hustle? They look like Omar Epps. No, he's. He's Frank Lucas.

Oh, Frank Lucas. You know what I'm talking about? That's how I see coach T.U. Absolutely. Like, OG in the back. Like, he's kind of like pulling the streams. No doubt. But I've been friends of that dude since he was Ronde and Lynch's DB coach when he just replaced him.

Right. But he replaced him. Yeah. And I'll never forget. He goes in there. And they're like, man, this guy will never replace her. We don't care who this is. It was like a weekend.

And they're like, oh, my God, this guy's great. He's unbelievable. This guy's unbelievable. I'll see you guys switched up pretty fast, but he is. And, you know, I think nowadays, too, coaching's changed, right? You come from a certain old school background, right? But I think nowadays,

because everybody's so freaking hurt these days, Twitter is just ruining people. Look, I grew up in a Jersey shoe, I got my ass kicked in a Jersey Shore growing up. It sucked for a month. And now we're getting our asses kicked a thousand times a second on Twitter, you know? And guys are just so beat up all the time. You can't beat up on these guys anymore.

So I think, but no, I think they get beaten down so easily. They're so beaten down already. They need somebody to love them up. That's why MIT works. That's why Dan Campbell works. That's why Dimeecoe-Rynes works. That's why, you know, Sean McVeigh works. Like Raheem Morris, that's why these guys, I think it's changing where you used to be able to just beat guys down.

I tell you, the interesting thing for me came about eight years ago. I was coaching a fighter. And I get, you see me how I do it. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong? right and Randy Gator who's my partner and all and says you can't do this with guys anymore which what do you mean he said you have to decide if you could change or not but you can't tell guys what you don't want from them anymore because what are you talking about i said brandy this guy fucking dropping his hands i got to tell them don't drop your hands he said no only tell them what you

want you can only tell them keep your hands up or else they think you're they can't deal with you're getting on them and they don't have it to for somebody else who they look up to to get down on them so much it was that was an eye-opener for me And I realize the same thing in the league. Yeah. Dang, that's a really great point. I mean, that's evolution. The coaches that can evolve to the players are the coaches that last,

coaches that, you know, stick to their way. I think that's what's happening with Belichick, too. I'm not getting down that road. I'm not going down that road. He knows why. We don't talk about him anymore on this podcast. It's my first part. We don't even, we don't even say his name.

Oh, this is the first episode. The world is a little bit. We just started it. He's like Voldemort? Yes. We just started it right now. Alex Folda board. You can't talk about him?

This is a Mike Rable podcast. That's hilarious. It's a Mike Vee, baby. In Braves, we trust. Any coaches beef in there? You see any guys? We try to fuck with guys. Silly looks.

Yeah, we try to get things going, but it's... Anyone like at one table, you know, over there? No, they're all in the same thing. We try to... No, no, no. Never, never. We never had any... The fucking holy pet was bullshit, bro.

That four-minute offense was dog shit, man. No. Well, you're two points. fucking offense suck too. Kyle Shanahan's funny as shit. He'll kind of get that guys a little bit. Just funny. Like somebody will ask him something like, hey, what are you guys doing here? We're like, what the fuck are you doing there? It's like he'll just kind of

Kyle's funny as shit. Because Kyle's also, he's had so many of those guys with him and he's such a ballbuster. But he's actually Kyle's one of the funnest guys there. It's totally different than with the world. Now, Kishon Johnson on Bill Parcell's unique leadership style. What was Kishon Johnson like in 1999,

rookie year? No, not 99. Rooker year, third year. 96. 96. What was I like? First playoff game. Shit, I was him.

I mean, what would you be? Himmathy. 99. Shit, I was living in New York. I was coming off, well, it depends on what, no, 98, 90. So I was coming off my first Pro Bowl. My second Pro Bowl. I was coming off my second Pro Bowl.

Shit, I was toast to the town. Where in New York were you living? So I was living in Long Island because we were in. Long Island practicing. So I was living in Long Island, but I also had a apartment on Park Avenue as well. So, hey, when you're the number one pick, you know, you got two homes. Park Avenue, baby. Yeah, and I had just, that's just, that's just a Saturdays. I was kind of married, but, you know, I was married at the time. Early married. I was kind of married. I hate to say it, but, you know, probably probably, probably love my kids, great kids, the whole deal got a good deal out of that.

Probably should have been married. They probably got married a little, too early, you know. 22 with a lot of money. Yeah, living in New York, probably a little too early. That's what I was doing. I was in the middle of pop culture, like you said, middle of everything that was going on, the East Coast, West Coast, rap wars.

I was in, you know, seeing people that was out there, not to be named, but having some fun. New York in that time had to be really fun. That scene had to be crazy. That's insane. I love New York. New York's fun city. Same, bro.

But see, we was good, though then. Good to the point. point where they have been so bad that everything was a plus from there anyway, right? I mean, like, you think about it. I was one in 15 as a rookie. Prior to that, they were two and 14. That's how they got me. Yeah.

Then we went one and 15. Bill came and the next year we was an AFC championship game. So it's kind of like same tier. Yeah, one year. What was the difference? Coaching. Dude, if you knew the fucking coaches, Richie Cotite I had, like it was, you'd literally jump off a building.

Yeah. I mean, it was the worst, because I was coming from USC. And so coming from USC, toast to the town program, Rose Bulls, Cotton, like we was the shit, winning, like we was winning.

And I go to a program, or head coach was a guy named Richie Cotide. How he got the job? I have no idea because he just got fired from Philadelphia because he was bad. You get fired because you're bad. Chet's like to do that.

They hire fire coaches. Literally. Literally. This is not the first time. And they hires Richie Cotite. The funniest thing ever, though, is I'm just watching the culture of the building. So we had practice one day. And our head coach, you know how they have a couple fields. A field over here, field over here, field over here.

He's off to one of the far fields while we're practicing. He's got the brick cell phone. He's just chilling while we're practicing. On his phone, smoking his cigar, there's no, I don't know who the hell he's talking to. But this was a everyday occurrence. This was something that was going on. Crazy, right? That's crazy. It was the wildest thing I ever seen, man. I was just like, this ain't, uh-uh. This is not what you expect when you get to the NFL. My rookie year, literally we did whatever we wanted to do when we wanted to do it, how we wanted to do it. You know what I'm saying?

And we won at 15. And we won in 15. And so at that point for me, I really didn't care at 1 and 50. I was like, these dudes going to get fired anyway. So we're actually playing the New England Patriots. One game is T&T at night. And I, along with a couple other veteran players, we go to the Foxy Lady in Providence, Rhode Island. Legendary spot. Providence, right? Per that establishment. But we're staying there.

We go there on a Saturday. I think it was a Saturday because we're playing on Sunday night. Saturday we go there and we leave after bed check. But we walk right out the front fucking door. Oh, my God. We don't go to side doors. We don't do anything. So now we are sitting at the Foxy Lady.

Obviously, there's no clocks. It's like Vegas. And we're just being young kids that don't know any better or whatever. We go back. The bus is getting ready to get ready for the game. Oh, wow. We get back to the hotel. We don't missed a pregame meal.

the early meeting. It was a meeting. We'd have missed all that, right? So we go back in. They come to my room. I'm trying to get dressed today. They come to my room. Like what?

I was like, man, I was near sleep. And I ain't, y'all, you know, I overslept. You overslept this long as I said, yeah, man, shit, I was tired, whatever, you know, the whole deal. And they're like, no, the security said he's seen y'all leave and da-da-da. And so it was like a whole day was getting ready to send me back. But then I'm like, if y'all send me back and it didn't go the way y'all say it went, y'all going to be in trouble, not me. And then they said, hey, okay, he could stay and I played, I wanted to plan a New England game that night.

I did, okay. It was in 96. Check it out. That was what it is. Coach Purcell's first game. No, I wouldn't do that with you. No. Okay.

No, no. No, no. No. No. No. No. So, okay. So.

Because I knew. Okay. So. Got it. Got, got. Got you. Got you got to fire. They're about to fire.

Parsels comes in day one. Is it just completely different? Oh, my God. He fired the dude at the front gate that was a security guard name Harry. Harry had been like the security guard for like however many years, older guy, Bill got rid of him immediately. And so one of our linebackers named Bobby Houston was a starting linebacker.

I started for the Jets, I don't know, four or five years in a row. Solid linebacker, like really good. He told him if he wasn't at offseason conditioning, he was going to get rid of him. Dude didn't come to offseason condition. Never played again in the national football league. Cut him. Never played again in the national football league.

Football League. So he started, he started the OTAs. It used to be getting, you had to get 40 days over like a, I want to say maybe a two and a half month period of time. You had to get 40 days in. And it was like you go a week, maybe two weeks you're off, then you come back a week, maybe off a week, you know, that sort of deal. And so when he came, obviously, I was one of the targets.

Right? Oh, he was one of the targets. So he calls my agent. Da-da-da-da-da-da. You need to do this, that. And so I'm like, my husband, fuck it with all that shit, man. You know, so now my agent go,

well, he said, if you don't come, da-da-da. I said, man, what shit? Man, I want to be at home. My family. I can do the same thing here. He goes, you tell him. This is how he talks. He goes, you tell him.

If he's not here on this such-and-such-and-such-date date, it'd be the worst mistake he ever made. So I go, I go, right? So now at this point, I'm probably a little overweight. You know, I'm probably a little overweight. I'm probably 225-ish somewhere in there. He goes, I sit down in his room. I go in there.

I'm in his room. He's got a dark room. He's got one little light on, like mafia, like you just said. He's sitting there and we're talking. He goes, how much did you weigh? I said, shit, I think I'm about 225-ish. He goes, what was that guy in the Rose Bowl? So I think I was probably 2.10 maybe.

He goes, that's the guy I want. I said, okay, cool, no problem. So now I go home, I come back, go through the whole off-season condition. I'm 208, right? So I'm looking crazy to him. I'm fucking, you know. So now all of a sudden, that's all I needed. I'm a made man now

for the rest of my life he got me for the rest of my life because I did everything he asked me to you see what I'm saying? Yeah. He asked me to do something for him. I did it like that. And now you could say you could say one bad word about me

in front of him, you're going to catch hell. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so that's how I changed like that. And he's after my second year, after my first year with him at 97, although I'm on a rookie contract, he tried to rip my contract up, but the management council with the NFL wouldn't allow it.

We did the deal. He was getting ready to make me at that time in 97. I hadn't even done shit. I had fucking 65 catchers. He was going to make me one of the highest pay receivers in the NFL at the time. We did the deal and everything. They sent it to the management council.

The management council didn't want to set a precedent so they didn't approve it. That's how our. trust in our loyalty became a bond like it is now. Wow. Yeah. So you gained Parcell's trust through cutting your weight. Yeah. And then from that day on, because you did with you. Even in this day, I just talked to him another day. He goes, what's the number? I said, shit, man, I don't know. I'm probably 235 or something. You know, I just slid it down a little bit. He goes, yeah, you look good, but I don't know if you're 235. It looks like got walnuts of your cheeks. I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm like, I'm

good coach i really you know he's well you're doing good son you just keep doing what you're doing man i'm proud of you because that's my guy yeah that's that's kind you know when i say it all the time you know when you're around a guy for a long time that changes you like i was around belichick it becomes like a fatherly figure yeah oh yeah 100% thanks for listening remember to tune in every tuesday for a brand new episode and every sunday for another games with names highlight Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series.

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