Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Offseason Dudes

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

It's been a wild week around the NFL! Along with talking about some of the biggest stories around the league, Rob & Jules talk about their trip to Vancouver, March Madness, and Stefon Diggs to New England. We weigh in on rule change proposals and bust out a brand new segment. We wrap up by naming the Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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million milligrams of caffeine, I would skyrocket it to 2,400 milligrams and let that caffeine replace Johnson and Glenn. And now he can do the work of all three men through the power of coffee. You may have replaced Johnson and Glenn, but you also had a heart attack. Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk.

about their favorite dudes. Well, Jules, what are we talking about today? What about Stefan Diggs to New England? New England needs a guy. They need wide receivers. They need a number one. Well, what about our thoughts on the new and returning stars of Netflix quarterback series? I mean, ultimately, these shows all depend on the people that are participating in them.

Like, how much Joe Burrow are we going to get? Yeah, we need the real Joe Burrow. Losing my wallet in Vancouver and the kind of Canadians who returned it. And that's why we love our Canadians, eh? And we wrap it up by naming the chillest dude of the week, presented about Cores Light. You got to stick around to the end. Let's go.

Dudes on dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. What's been going on, Robert Toe? Jules, how you doing? Fresh off the weekend. Yes, we are, man. We were just together in Vancouver, Canada, man. We were doing a speaking gig up there. You went skiing and Whistler.

to, you know, hop on a jet and come back home because it was my brother's bachelor party. He's getting married next month. So, you know, I couldn't miss that, even though I wanted to go skiing with you, brother. But before we get into it, I got a little situation. I'm just wondering if this ever happened to you. So I woke up at like 6 a.m. this morning, feeling pretty good. You know, I had some spunk, you know, jumping out of bed. And then I was like, I got nothing to do. I'm going to go back to sleep. And I fell right back to sleep. And then I wake up like three hours later, man, thinking like, oh, I'm going to have so much more energy, you know, I just got nine hours of total sleep. Actually, it was nine and a half. And like, I feel heavy and like numb and slow.

And I go to work out and like everything feels like a thousand pounds while I'm working out. Like you ever get that where you get too much sleep that it actually kind of like reverses against you? Yeah. I mean, I do. But there's a couple other variables for your story, Rob. Okay. You flew from Tampa to Vancouver on Friday. Yes. Then Vancouver back to Tampa on Saturday. So you were in a plane for fucking 14 hours. You went to a bachelor party.

Now you could go ahead and get 50 hours of sleep after that weekend, regardless if you were a good boy or not. You are going to be tired on a Monday. So if that answers your question, that's how I feel. I didn't put those variables into play, Jules, so I appreciate you laying that out on the table. I mean, flying hurts you. You know, that especially you, you know, you're very tight. You know, you're a big ass dude.

I remember when we were flying together as a teammate, you know, like when you're up in those cabin pressures, like it dehydrates you. And you're, you're so fucking fine-tuned as an athlete. You're back and stuff. Like, Gronk would be doing fucking, like, core exercises on the plane and shit. because he has to keep his back tight. You know, so flying's tough on you, bro. It's tough on me. I mean, I'm fucking like a little kid, but I got to be sprawled out or my back.

I can't walk for two days if I, you know, my walk like if I'm in a plane. So how beautiful is Vancouver? I love Vancouver, man. It would be even more beautiful if the sunshine just a little bit more. But when we got there, obviously it was cloudy and rainy in about 50 degrees. But man, what a city. What I love about that city is just how clean it is and just how safe it is too. We were just walking around 10 p.m. at night, just cruising the city, walking by all the

hotspots, wishing we were still 22 years old saying, oh, Jules, you know, 15 years ago, we would be in that spot till 4 a.m. and then we just keep walking. Yeah, Jules, we would have been 15 years ago, but just keep on walking, buddy. We ain't, we ain't 22 years old no more. But if we were, we would have tore up that whole city and they wouldn't even know what hit him after we were done with it. 100% and city is very clean. The architectural, like, structures and buildings,

like all the condos, it's so beautiful. Like, you have the hills. It's like a big hill when you're walking in the city and then it's surrounded on water. It's almost like Manhattan where it's like an island because there's rivers on both sides and shit. And then in the background, you got mountains.

And I drove up to Whistler. And that was like one of the most beautiful drives I have ever seen in my life. There's waterfalls on the side of the road. I felt like I was like about to witness Vikings coming out of Scandinavia or something because you see the mountain range on water. And that's like ocean water. And I was like, oh my God, this is probably Viking town.

Like this is like what did it look like in the Vikings? I don't know why I had Vikings in my head, but I have Vikings in my head. It was like Whistler, unbelievable mountain actually lost my wallet. on the mountain, right? Canada being so clean and nice. I got my wallet back. They're sending it back right now. So shout out to Whistler for finding my wallet and all the the patrons that were skiing that day. Like, what a fucking nice town. And the email I got or the text message I got, I goes, because my wallet is usually just a rubber band with cash and my credit cards. and they go, Mr. Edelman, we have found your wallet.

They had three credit cards, an ID, a AAA card, and a handsome amount of cash. I was like, take that half of that, take that cash and send my stuff back. Thank you guys. Like, it was so, so awesome. I had such a great time in Canada this weekend. Like, when we were talking, those people, it was a cool crowd, too. What do you think? That's Canadians for.

you, A, always there to, you know, help out, support. They're nice and friendly, A. And I'm from Buffalo Jewel, so I know all about the Canadians, eh, okay? I always used to cross the border when I was 19 years old so I could go over there and drink because it's legal over, over on that side of the border, you know? So it was just super easy to go there and have a good time being 20 minutes away from there. So love Canadians, love any chance I get to go over there. and just hang out.

And that was my second time and Vancouver. Just a great spot, man. And I got a question for you, though, is that how was Whistler? I want to truly know how Whistler was because everyone talks about it in Vancouver. That's the best ski resort in the entire world. Well, they say it's top one or two. They say the ski resorts in Switzerland are number one. And then it goes Whistler at number two.

So how was it, Jules? I want to know in depth how nice Whistler was the ski on. Well, first off, like, just rehash that people are awesome. Got my wallet back, lost up the mountain. Two, huge mountain. Huge mountain. One day, not enough for that mountain. One day with a big house who has no clue about the mountain.

Also, like, not how you have to do it. You need to go with like a local that knows the whole mountain. Or you need to have a friend that is like Kurt. Kurt would pull out a map and stuff. he's a big, big map guy. So you need a map guy for how big that mountain is. The snow was pretty good. The visibility was tough.

I wish I got to go on a clear day. Like this was like a very spontaneous, let's rent a car and fucking go snowboarding. Like if I were to like do this again, I would probably plan out, which it is a redo mountain because it is that good of a mountain. But like I didn't, the visibility was tough in certain areas. The snow was awesome in certain areas. and then after the snow day like they what's it called the apris

what do they call it opera yeah they had the opera they were they were partying it it was beautiful like the little village the Olympic village that they had and the village community that they had was really nice they just had the Olympics there in 2010 so we walked by the Olympic sign and like you could just tell that the whole

city and stuff was awesome for like hosting and venueing like large amounts of fun it was like that it was beautiful um didn't really get to eat the food there's a lot of poutine a lot of poutine everywhere they love putin or poutine not a big poutine fan i'd rather just go with ketchup on my fries but yeah it was it was great the snow i didn't i thought the mountain would be higher though it's not that high of a mountain that was the one thing when i saw the elevation i think it's only like what is it like 5 000 feet high yeah that's not too high i mean we played at the mile high stadium in denver which is 5 000 the top of it is 7000 yeah that's not too high when you go to valence stuff you can get up to 11 000 feet possibly 12 000

feet in Breckenridge. And that's when you really feel it. That's when you're out of breath just skiing down the hill about one eighth of it. And you're breathing really deep and just walking up the stairs in your house, you feel it. And you're like, why am I taking such deep breath? It's because you're at an elevation of about 9,000, 10,000 feet. 5,000 feet. You're an athlete. You're really not going to feel it, Jules. Yeah. It's just kind of like when we go to Denver and we played the Broncos and we flew in the night before and then we played the next day. And you didn't really feel it too much at all. Uh, but like you got to hit eight. thousand, nine thousand, ten thousand feet to really, really, really feel that elevation. So it was probably

a good thing, though, that you're only seven thousand feet up because sometimes you can get that high. You got elevation sickness, which is no good. Yeah, that was like the only thing. Like I was just amazed like, man, I thought we'd be like way higher because it's a huge mountain. Um, but long beautiful runs. I mean, I shared chairlifts with a bunch of random people and everyone is just so nice there. a lot of international people. It's a little different feel than when, well, everyone's international technically. You're not in the nation.

But, you know, but from different countries, a lot of different countries. There's a lot. It's a very global skiing destination, which makes it fun. It was a fun. I had a blast.

I enjoyed Friday night in Vancouver with, with you speaking at the event for the unions. and then, you know, exploring Vancouver, hell of, I went to this place called Dynasty Dumpling House, phenomenal dumplings, a soup dumpling that will knock your socks off, good pan-fried dumplings. The Asian food there was pretty dialed. That's one thing I will say, which is pretty standard, I feel, in Pacific Northwest states or places. you know, or cities. Because Seattle has great Asian food.

San Francisco is not quite up there, but we have a huge Asian population. Like that Asian food up there was spectacular. And I'm very Asian picky when it comes to my dumpling. So I had a blast. I had a freaking blast. But the whole time, the one thing that pissed me off. Let's hear it. What pissed you off, Jules?

I'm sitting here trying to throw on the goddamn March Madness on my YouTube TV on a ski lift and you can't use YouTube TV in Canada. I'm like, what the heck? We got March Madness on. You all need to go global YouTube TV. What's you doing? You slacking YouTube. We are in a bracket, of course, over at the Nut House.

We have the Nut House bracket, which I believe I'm in second place. Ten points behind the leader, third. Let's take a little look at where I am. Where are you, Rob? Hey, can you tell me where I'm at too, Jules? I didn't really do so well in our fantasy football league with the Nut House. But I know I got off to a great start, you know, with my March Magnus bracket, but I don't really know where I'm at right now. I didn't check it in the last day or two.

Who's that? Who's in first place right now? Who is that? I could still win. Who's JV. Duncan? Freaking J. Defense alignment, right?

Defense of tackle? South Carolina guy? He's an SEC guy. He knows what's up. They got seven teams in the tournament in the sweet. Sweet 16 out of the SEC right now. That's pretty impressive. Is that the most teams from one conference in the suite 16 at one time?

I think it is. It's got to be. Dude, the SEC been coming out. They've been coming out to play this year. It's crazy how this NILs. Like, SEC never used to be a basketball conference. Now it is a basketball conference. They just big money conference.

I mean, they got money all over to place, Jules. The football program. They tied the number for most Sweet. teams. SEC is just absolutely dominant in all aspects of sports in the college ranks. So shout out to the SEC, I guess. They do got the best, you know, best conference in football and basketball now. So they're doing something right. SEC is doing something right. And I think that they got the right boosters behind them. I think that's what they're doing right, Jules. 1,000 percent, but the tournament is not over quite yet, Roberto. Let's pump the brakes.

Let's pump the brakes. Even though I do have Florida taking the whole thing. But let's not like fucking reverse jinx this thing. So my bracket gets busted and all the SEC teams fucking die. Well, you know who's going to bust open that SEC. Let's talk about them. Arizona Wildcast, baby, reaching the sweet 16. Their number four seed. I'm proud of them because this year wasn't their best year.

You know, they didn't have the best regular season, you know, with head coach Tommy Lloyd that they've had over the last couple years. But that's kind of why I like this team. They're kind of under the radar. They were supposed to, you know, possibly win the national championship last year or the year before that and then they lost, I think in the top 32.

They didn't really do so well. But, you know, they're in the Sweet 16. They're playing Duke this Thursday night, 9.30 p.m. at the Prudential Center in New Jersey. I might be, you know, I might be attending. I'm not sure. Yeah, Jules. We'll see. We'll see, man.

I love my wildcats. And you know I love my East Coast. So whenever there's something on the East Coast, Jules, I try to, you know, tend to get to it. So we will see if I make the game and support, you know, my, my Arizona Wildcats and coach Tommy Lloyd and Caleb Love looking great. Wildc playing together as a team. Like I said, under the radar this year, kind of at the number four C. That's really not under radar, but it's under the radar for them over the last few years.

I'm excited about this. They beat Oregon last two nights ago or last night, you know, they two nights ago, which was awesome. They beat your max school. Akron absolutely dominated them in the first round. So I'm excited, man. March Madness, I just got to, you know, next time pick a better bracket, you know, choose better situations so I can possibly win March Madness brackets. Well, you know who's not under the radar?

Who's that? The team they're about to play. Duke. Ah, they're not. Duke looks fucking unstoppable. Mm-hmm. They look, that Cooper flag guy. main product

he is a fucking stud absolute savage that whole team is good and there's who's the other kid but I was watching this I'll tell you right now I was watching that Arizona Oregon game it came down to free throws bro like Oregon they were like 30% on their free throws

or 40% on their free throws like that they had an opportunity I'm only a little mad because I had Oregon picked in that and it wasn't against you but I I thought, you know, maybe that the founder of Nike University would rally behind the sport that loves Nike the most. He's rallied plenty behind Oregon, Jules. He's rallied plenty.

He's donated plenty of money to that school. You know, that wasn't a factor that played in that game. Okay? It was just because the Arizona Wildcats were a better team. We made our free throws. We came through in the clutch and we beat them. You know, Ken State is in the elite. Elite 8 of the

NIT. Congratulations. We just beat Stanford. What's up? Stanford? Kent State, let's go. Beat a pack. What is Stanford in? ACC. That's an ACC team. So, you know, shout out. We just had Antonio Gates on who led Ken State to the NCAA Elite 8, not the NIT one.

But, hey, any time you beat a major university like Stanford in a tournament, To keep moving on, that's a good, that's a good. You're giving Stanford a little bit too much hype right now. I used to remember Stanford being pretty damn good. The last time they were good when they had the Lopez twins. That was probably when we were coming out. So it was, you know, recency bias maybe for you.

What are the NFL players typically doing in the month of March right now, Rob? All right. The month of March is kind of like, letting yourself go, you know, you let yourself free. You don't, you don't really think about football. You know, you still definitely got to train. So it's not like you're overtraining right now in March. I mean, typically for my sake and just seeing the guys that were always around me in March that I hung out with, you train, you know, about three, possibly four times a week still in March. But you're having a good time. You're going on those vacations. You're going to the beach. You're renting yachts. You're renting

Lamborghinis, you know, to drive around the city that, you know, you're vacationing on. You're, uh, you're going out late, you know, this is when you get all that, you know, all that formal out, you know, when you've been playing and all your friends been going out, your family's been going out, you've been hitting all the parties. This is when you get it out of your system. You go out late nights, you wake up, you train still because you're young enough. And, uh, you just let yourself be, Jules. How about you?

What do you think? That's, that's how I see it for players. Well, I was just thinking, you know, like for Rob, like this is his part of the offseason where it's like having fun because Rob played until February most of his career. So like this is like right after the season for Rob. But if in the regular like with most guys, they're already, they've been out for three, four months. So this is probably like tighten up stage. March is like, all right, we've had our fun. in February and January, and we've done all our trips. So we've got to start tightening up.

That's probably what it is for most of the league. For me, I was always training. I mean, I would have my fun on the weekends. But, like, I kept it, you know, especially even towards the older I got. Like, you never, like, when we were young, we would go out and have fun. But in March, like, I remember the cutoff was, like, St. Patty's, day like what was that the 15th like after that it was like we got to start getting ready for the season got to start i want because i wanted to turn heads when i went into camp i wanted to turn

heads the first day of of conditioning test so i would stop drinking like a month from when we had to report so that usually took place around like march 13th and then i would go zero dark 30 in train mode try to get up because you know you want to you want to turn heads and let let the organization know you know especially the situation i was in that i was working my time away from the organization even though you know i have my fun but yeah like that that's this is the time where guys could catch guys or where guys could you know put themselves in a hole that's the truth You know me though when I was going out you know after this season and March I was still working on my cardio because I was dancing on that dance for about two or three hours every single night. You know, I was doing my fast feed.

I was doing my high knees thinking I was actually busting some legit dance moves. But literally they were just called rock moves and just people loved it because I was just bringing the energy to the table. Not actual legit dance moves. But let me tell you, it worked on my cardio. It defined my, you know, little muscles kept me ripped. you know, kept me active. So as long as if you're going out, stay active on that dance floor, man. You'll stay in shape.

And it will translate onto the football field as well if you, if you bust enough moves while you're out there. If you bust enough moves, it'll translate. It's it for me. What we got Grunk Beach, WrestleMania after dark 2025? Yes, we do, baby. It's the first Brunk Beach.

Explain this. It is going down. Grunk Beach. This is the first time it's not affiliated. You know, with football, usually it's, you know, at the Super Bowl or it's at the NFL draft. You know, that was in Vegas a couple years ago. But this is the official after party of WrestleMania. It's going to be after dark.

It's going to be still at the pool. So it's going to be Grank Beach still. But, you know, nighttime Grank Beach. At April 20th, 2025, immediately following WrestleMania 41. I hosted WrestleMania before, so I'm a big wrestling fan. I grew up watching the WWE, the WWF, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Dwayne Johnson, all those guys. So big wrestling fans still am to this day. And it's all going down at Live Beach at Fountain Blue, Las Vegas, which is the official hotel of WrestleMania as well.

And tickets go on sale this Friday at 10 a.m. or 10 a.m. Pacific time. Or they can be preordered now at Grunk Beach. So get your tickets now. They're going to go fast. We got Flowrider actually performing. He's going to beat a headliner. We got Valentino Khan as the DJ and we got plenty of wrestlers that will be appearing as well at Grunk Beach. So it's going to be a first of its kind.

We're going to be bringing the energy. We're going to be bringing the excitement. We're going to have wrestlers there, DJs, performers, all that good stuff. But the main question is, Jules, are you going? I think I'll have to check it out. I've been to a Gronk Beach or two before. You know, I've got to check the schedule. It's a weekend.

Usually this is soccer time right now. I think I'll be coming back from Lake Tahoe. Spring break, I think, for the kids. Ends around that time. So we'll see. 420. We'll see. 420.

What a day. What a night. It's Easter Sunday as well. It's Easter Sunday, 420. Yeah, it's Easter Sunday as well. We day, Hitler's birthday. We got it all, WrestleMania, Gronk Beach, 420. That is the day. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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Chase signs a four-year deal. 161 large millions, large millions. 73.9 guaranteed. Higgins signs a four-year $1.15 million with 30 guaranteed rumors of a chase and Higgins or nothing packed between them. What do you think about this? I think it was the right move by the Cincinnati Bengals. You got Joe Burrow at the quarterback position. You want those weapons around him.

They're going to be thriving on the offensive side of the ball for quite some time now. I would put them in the top five in the league over the next five years on the offensive side of the ball they're going to be in. There's no question about that. Like they're all young. They're all in their prime and they're just going to get better every single year. They just need to get off to a fast start. They can't start, you know, have that slow start where they just go 0 and 3 versus

three teams that they should have beat, you know, that they should be beating. So they got to get off to a fast start so it doesn't affect them at end of the season like it did this year. But it was the right move, like I said, by Cincinnati. Congratulations to Chase. He bet on himself as well, not signing the contract off for last year. He's the highest paid player in the NFL, well-deserved. He's an absolute beast on the field. Yes, up, yeah, non-quarterback, highest paid, non-quarterback, absolutely beasts. And then they kept Higgins as well. Guy is probably the best number two in the league, if you put it, you know, if you put it that way, technically he is in number one. But you're a number one. But you're a

number two when you're behind Jemar Chase. I don't care what you say. You're always going to be number two with him in front. And it's just a great move. I'm looking forward to them, you know, watching them and seeing what they do. It's going to be spectacular. It's going to be fireworks.

Yeah. I don't know. Outrageous. I don't know. What do you mean? I don't know. You don't think it was the right move by the Bengals? You want to change and you want to start fast.

if you want to change, you got to change. They're going to have the same team and they're losing some of their defense. Their defense couldn't stop anyone last year. So, you know, you have one of the best quarterbacks in the league in Joe Burrow. You have probably top three, top two, maybe the best receiver in Jamar Chase.

I just thought that money could have went somewhere else to fill some of the holes for Higgins. that money that went to Higgins could fill some of the holes that they need on their team. Like they don't have anyone that protects them. I think Joe Burroughs is like one of the most hit quarterbacks

in the league. Their defense can't stop anyone. I mean, the records and the numbers that they had last year, that's fucking amazing. But they didn't make the playoffs. They're going to go in with the same team. Now you could say, oh, well, Philadelphia, Philadelphia paid,

you know, A.J. Brown. They paid DeVant Smith, Jalen Hertz, but they've also hit on the draft. You got to hit on the draft. They got to find players that can come in and perform that they can build their team around. Jalen Carter, Philadelphia drafts Jalen Carter. I know there was a lot of stuff that, like, he's slid and stuff, but they had the balls to take them. And now he's going to be there for probably eight years.

You know, like you got to hit on your players. DeGene, Philadelphia hit on DeGine as a, as a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, secondary weapon, a star, a nickel, a really good defensive player. They've hit on those guys. I just, I think that's too much offensive power. And we saw last year outscoring teams didn't win games for them. So I don't know. Fills the seats, Jules.

Keeping these guys under contract, Burrow. That's true. Chasen Higgins fills the seats. I mean, as an owner, there's some owners that really, you know, don't care about winning championship, Jules. as an owner though they care about filling the seats getting the fans in the stands and joe burrow jemar chase and higgins are going to fill those seats get the fans in the stand but you don't be spectacular to watch them are going to come to see jama james and joe burrow they're like the two most popular players

in the league now like i think we're i and i love higgins and higgins deserves the money but i'm just saying for the Bengals to have a successful season, like, this is the same team they had last year and they didn't make the playoffs. And their defense is probably going to be worse than last year because they're not going to get Hendrickson. What's his name just retired? Val points. You could have took that Higgins contract, maybe trade him, get a couple big players for your defense, maybe get a couple of offense alignment. Like, let's build the team. This looks like an unbelievable set of weapons. This is historic, yes.

But like, are they going to win games? They will win games. They're possibly going to, you know, maybe lose more games than they win, but they're going to be suspenseful. They're going to be fun to watch. But also, I think Joe Burroughs is good enough to do with just, with just Jamar Chase. That's the thing. That's how good Joe Burrow is.

He'll develop another guy. Jules, you just talked about the rumors, though, that Chase and Higgins, it was a nothing packed between that. them. It was all or nothing. It was either you sign both of them or both of them wanted out. So if you're the owner of the team, you're really going to let Jamar Chase and Hagan's walk away? Or are you going to sign both of them? If that's the case, what would you do? I'm pretty sure Jamar Chase is is going to break that pack because he just saw 73.9 guaranteed. Okay. And he saw 100 and a six and a one with a million on the damn check.

Okay. Like that I love packs and stuff. But. We clearly know that he wants that the cheddar, and he got the cheddar. I don't know. You see the post of them riding their Lambos, Higgins and Jamar, racing, having the funnest time ever, just rich as hell. Just cruising around Miami. I told you, players rent Lambos in March. That is pretty cool.

You think they just rented them or you think they bought them? They're rich enough to do whatever they want. I mean, they deserve the money. I'm just saying for the Bengals organization. Do you kind of feel where I'm coming from? I do. I do. It makes sense.

You got to have a complete team. You just can't have two positions filled and then just have average guys at the other positions and expect to win. You got to have quality starters. Everywhere. Yeah, everywhere at all positions in order to compete for a championship in order to compete for a Super Bowl. When's the last time we've seen a team other than Philadelphia who hits on all their draft picks and has Howie Roseman who freaking knows how to bring in talent and designs a really great,

no one's saying any of this about how the design of the team is for the Bengals. Like, when's the last time we've seen a team with two crazy great receivers, highest paid receivers, go out and win a Super Bowl? No. It's been a while. I don't know. We'll see. Time will tell.

And I'm excited. I'm going to watch. We're all going to watch. How many wins for the Bengals next year? I mean, we still got the draft. We got to see what they're going to pick up in the draft. They got a lot of holes to fill, bro. They have a lot of holes to fill.

Now, the one great thing is that the Steelers don't have a goddamn quarterback right now. So, you know, that's good. Browns in their division. But then you got Baltimore. You got Baltimore. And you got Baltimore. They're going to win it again. Yeah.

So, like, I mean, that's who you're playing against. You're playing against your division. tough. That's a tough. It'll be exciting. This is still exciting. It's still a win for the National Football League. Let's let's let's move on. Quarterback on Netflix is coming back. I'm excited for that. I'm excited for it as well. I've watched I never seen a quarterback episode by seeing the wide receiver episodes. You know, it's still a series produced by the Peyton Manning's productions, the Omaha productions. So it's just, you know, wide receivers. It was with Kiddle, Devante Adams, the guy from Minnesota again, what's it?

Justin Jefferson. Yeah, Justin Jefferson. My bad. And I watched the first three episodes of YVC here. I thought it was very well put together. The production was high quality. I appreciated how they just, you know, went inside their life. And it was real.

You know, I've been in those situations before, and it was all real. There was nothing that was fake about it. Everything that was shown is what really happens on a daily basis, you know, in an NFL players' life. So I enjoyed watching. If you're a football fan, then you're 100% got to tune in to quarterback. You know, it's a great, great, you know, it's a great show. It really is.

If you're, if you're a football fan. So this year is going to be Kurt Cousins again. So Kurt Cousins is going to go in again. Kurt Cousins was already on it. Yeah, he was in the first one. Made him, he was. How was he? He was great.

I mean, he works hard and he's, you know, he works his tail. off he loves football he loves his family and it was displayed on quarterback like that's that you you could tell you could tell that was his life i mean ultimately these shows all depend on the people that are participating in them like how much joe borough are we going to get are we going to get the real joe borough are we going to get yeah we need the real joe borough what i what i like about this group is that you got kirk cousins he's a family man he's a you know a veteran quarterback is high 30 so it's kind of like relates you know, a lot of different, you know, scenarios in life, a lot of different, you know, households. So you got the family household with Kirk Cousins. And then you got Jared Gough,

who's, he's in between, you know, he's what, 30 years old, you know, so he just got married to a Sports Illustrated supermodel who Camille's great friends with. So, you know, how is he dealing with the married life, you know, while playing out on the football field? So you get to see the mid-veteran guy, and that's Jared Gough. And then you get to see the young buck, Joe Burrow, you know, just dominating the NFL, mid-20s, just going out there. He's a single guy. I'm pretty sure he's single. I really don't know his personal life, but I'm just saying that, just to put

perspectives out there for these fans that are watching quarterbacks. So you get three different style quarterbacks, you know, all three different ages in their life. So that's cool to see, you know, you get to see how each of them gets to prepare, how the Young Buck prepares, how Kirk Cousins prepares, you know, how Joe Burrow prepares, all at different stages in their career. Yes, when Patrick did the first one, he won a Super Bowl. This is an interesting group because no one in this super,

no one in this group has won a Super Bowl. They're all going to be a first time Super Bowl winner if they go out and do it. I think it's also a cooler perspective to see, you know, how Kirk Cousins is going to deal with being in that situation he's in. Is he going to be a backup? Is he going to get traded? Are they starting the filming already? like I want to know that.

Jared Goff, I think there's great storylines with him on a sexy team, has built some merit with the Detroit fan base. He's got a lot of couple. He's got two good years under his belt with Detroit coming from a Super Bowl team in the L.A. Rams that he was kind of sent off. Then he's kind of on the up spring again, you know, going to have a new offense. coordinator. We'll see how he does without Ben Johnson. So I'm interested to see that storyline.

And then Joe Burrow, I mean, you put him on anything. He's just cool. You know, he's the young Gen Z quarterback. That's what he is. He's got, he's at the fashion shows. He's got some weird shit on. He's fashion forward. He's got hot babes around him. And he's cool under pressure. Like, I think he's going to be entertained. This will be a fun thing. I can't wait to watch. What about Stefan Diggs to New England? He's only five months out of ACL recovery. And how old is he? 31.

31, 32. So he turns 32 this year, already running full speed and cutting and changing directions according to sources. That's impressive. I think it was the right move for New England to bring a man. 31. I mean, New England needs a guy. They need wide receivers.

They need a number. one. Stefan Diggs might not be that number one, but he'll at least be a solid number two. And I'm sure he's got some big play making ability still left in the tank. You know, 31 years old coming off an ACL, but he's working every day at it. He's already ahead of schedule. He's running full speed. I like Stefan Diggs in New England, that situation. Because Stefan Diggs is still pissed off at the bills. So there's going to be hunger and there's going to be urgency and there's going to be a fire under his ass in the meeting room when he's in New England at practice, which they could use. They could use a little fire under their ass in that receiver room. And you know that Stefan

digs, yeah, he's got a lot of like, oh, you know, he's got a lot of the instances where he's got the mind games with the quarterback, but no one ever second guesses how hard he was. He's got. He's got. He works and the amount of work that he puts into his craft. So if you're getting a motivated Stefan Diggs, like that could be really beneficial to the young football players in that young football room that they call the receiver room in New England. They have a lot of young football players there. You know, it'd be really good for these younger guys to be able to see how a professional, you know, works daily, how professional prepares daily, how a professional takes care of

his body. And if Stefan Diggs is doing that, you got to bring them in because they need a little veteran, they need a little veteran leadership in that room. How does that work in free agency sometimes? This is, it's tough going into free agency with an injury at 31. He's a lighter guy though. You guys can recover so much quicker. Big guys, offensive linemen tight ends, man. We have so much more weight. So our joints are just taking that much more pressure every time that we land on them when we're running full speed. But he's a lighter guy. You know, those, you guys. You guys. that are light that are quick just recover so fast so I feel like that's why he's ahead of schedule and the ACL you know coming back from his ACL because he's light he's quick he's activated at all

times the way he just plays the game you know it's just you know very fluid so when you're a guy like that you recover quicker and uh you know so I believe he'll come back and and put up some you know numbers not not like number one numbers but I wouldn't how old was I when I tore me I was 31, 32. I came back at 32. I was at this same kind of age. Those first eight months in a recovery of the ACL at that age, it's a grind, man. So I know he's a competitor. Look at him. He's working it. He's in the weight room. He's squatting. Those are single-leg squats, trying to build up that quad muscle. See how he's low in his glute, trying to retrain it? I know where you're at, bubs. That's good. That's good.

Speaking of league news, it's almost league meetings time. And you know what that means, Jules. Rule change proposals. That's right. So we're going to look at some of the proposals and decide how we would vote. Let's check them out. Let's check them out. What do we got?

What are some of these league rule changes? All right, the Detroit Lions have proposed allowing wildcard teams to be higher seated than division winners. Hmm. Isn't that how the NBA does it? They kind of like recede. I think they do. Yeah. The Lions have also submitted a rule change seeking to eliminate automatic first downs when penalized for defensive holding and illegal contact. Hmm. That's not a, I think that's kind of, I agree with that too. I kind of like both. Well, Detroit did league the league with 11 holding calls in 2024.

So, I mean, he can't beat. you might as well change the rule. I think it's hard. I think you should be rewarded if you win your division. I know what you mean. So then you should be higher. It kind of goes, it kind of goes up and down,

you know. It's just because of the scenario like last year. It's not like this happens all the time, you know, you had the Minnesota Vikings. They would have been, you know, they should have been the number one seat or number two seed.

Instead they were like, what, the fifth or sixth seat? And then there was teams that won their division. And the Minnesota Vikings had like, what, what was a 14 and 3 record or 13 and 4? And then the teams that won their division at the number 4 seed and number 3 seed, they were like 10 and 8 or 10 and 7 or 11, 11 and 6. So it's rare that that situation happens where three teams like the Packers, you know, lions and Minnesota Vikings just dominate overall.

I kind of like how it's set up. I understand where they're coming from because of that situation, but this is football. Like, you got to earn it, you know. And you get rewarded for winning your division. Divisions change throughout the year, you know, you know, yeah, throughout the year, depending on the year that it is. And competition changes.

It's just such a turnover in the NFL. So I kind of like where it's at right now. I like where it's at right now. But then after the first round, Wildcar Week, and they should re-seed. Re-seed them after that? That's a good point. There you go.

Because if you're a, yeah, you got to win your division. If you win your division, you should host a game. Then after that, let's re-seed. I mean, but put it, what about this situation, though? This is why it could possibly make sense because like a scenario, like in 2011, the Seahawks, I'm pretty sure, they were seven and nine. They won their division, but they hosted the 11 and five saints. and that was the Beast Quake game

with Beast mode but like that scenario right there is kind of what the rule change is kind of proposing to eliminate is a team that wins their division only at seven and nine you know like like in that scenario what do you think? They still won their division. Mm-hmm.

They're a good point. They still won their division. And you know, I feel like every time I remember there was like a four or five year span, the AFC East. Remember they'd always have that when they were kind of down, they'd have those seven and nine teams or those eight and eight teams that were making the playoffs or they'd have a tie. So they'd, like, you know, if you win your division, I think

you got to keep your home game. Okay. So, I mean, that's the first, that's the first goal in every locker room. Okay. It's not to make the playoffs. It's to win the division. Yeah, but you're still going to go to the playoffs if you win your division. They're just saying receding it. So the team with the 11-5 record has a higher C, then the team that won the division, you know, at 7 and 9. I know, but that team that's 11 and 5 didn't win their division because maybe that year, that like every year is not going to be last year where there's four or three double-digit winning teams. in a division.

That happens once every five years, once every six years. The lion is trying to propose that. All right, you can't stop holding. You want to change a penalty. You're losing the playoffs. We want to be receding.

We can't do that. Detroit, let's just go. Let's go win the division. Let's go win the division. They won the division, though, didn't they? No. Yeah, they won. They were the number one seat last year.

But they proposed it. Yeah. And they proposed it because they actually played in that final game last year, the Minnesota Vikings versus the Detroit Lions. And whoever lost was the number five seed and whoever won was the number one seat. There was just too big of a gap, you know,

and that's, that situation, you know, for two teams that kind of both deserve to be number one. So I don't know. It's a good rule change, maybe. It is,

but I like where it's at. Keep the playoffs how it is, you know. I mean, how it is. There's already, everyone makes a damn playout. There's seven teams now,

right? seven on each. I remember that when that first came in, the seventh, you're like, oh, it's, you can win. The Green Bay Packers have proposed to prohibit any offense player from pushing a teammate

who is lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the snap immediately at the snap, the tush push. They want to eliminate the tush push. I think it's technically illegal to push people from behind. I thought it was illegal the whole time I was in the NFL. They rescinded it?

So was it, I swear it was illegal to push someone that, that was carrying the ball when we were playing, Julian. And then that rule got switched that you can push someone that's carrying the ball. And then that's how the tush push got created. I see. I don't know, man. I don't like, I don't like fundamentally that like, we're, making a rule because people can't stop it.

Mm-hmm. I don't like that. It's the game of football. It's called you line up your best 11 guys versus our best 11 guys. And you got to stop us moving this football from one point to another point. No matter what you got to do to do it, you just do it. And now they're trying to implement a rule to where it would stop them from their techniques. And their game plans and their creativity because they're successful.

I like the tush push. They got to come up with ways to stop it. Yeah, I think I like it too. If everyone could run it, then everyone would run it. But we saw Buffalo Bills try to run it like three times in a row and got stuff. There you go. Yeah, I mean. So it's part of execution.

They know how to execute the play. I don't think they should can the play because only one team knows how to run it right? I think the defenses need to get better. Let's move on. Philadelphia Eagles have proposed Grant both teams an opportunity to possess the ball regardless of the outcome of the first possession subject to a 15-minute overtime period in the regular season. Basically makes the regular season overtime rules the same as the postseason overtime rules.

Should it be implicated? Yeah. No, it should not be implemented. Why? I like the rules that they're different than, you know, than the postseason, you know, the regular season is the regular season. I mean, I feel like a lot of pro teams, pro leagues

have different sets of rules. It's like the NHL. You have a shootout, you know, once the old overtime's over. But when you get to the playoffs, there's no such thing as a shootout. It's whoever scores next, you know, it's sudden death. I like that it's two different scenarios because the regular season is the regular season. It needs to amp up and that amps it up to another level when you get to the playoffs.

So I like the differential, you know, and I don't think it should be implemented. I just don't. I like where it's at. See, I don't mind the regular season overtime rule. I just don't like that there's a different rule when the playoffs start. So I think the rule should be the same. Are we going to keep it this way? Are we going to go to the other way for all season long?

Because clearly the 49ers two years ago in the Super Bowl, you know what I mean? Like that whole thing, did they take the ball? Did they not take the ball? Were they thinking it was the regular season? Was it the unregular season? Which that shouldn't be a problem because we should have people that understand that.

but I think it'd be better for the player. I don't know. Because what? If you, what are they trying to say in the regular season, they want to end the games quicker? Is it a longer game in overtime in the postseason potentially? I think that's the play there is that in the regular season,

they don't want it to last the game of football last. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I just had to talk it out. It's hard to already play four quarters and not be beat up, you know, the following week. God forbid this happens on a Sunday when you have a Thursday night game next week.

That's a lot. You know what I mean? There you go. Yeah, you talked to me into it. There you go. No rule change. Keep it how it is. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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Some soul searching, if you will. We're breaking down what they should do to find success this year. Ooh, I like this. If you were Drake May, what would you do to make your craft better this year

knowing what you did last year in Drake May's shoes. Well, Drake May I already had, you know, an unbelievable rookie year with not such a great support staff around him, I would say from what the media has been saying. I still went out there dominated on the field, you know, as a young buck. And if I was Drake May, I would be around Josh McDaniels as much as possible. I would offer the carpool to work with him, Jules. Maybe offer the coaches kids flag football team, whatever it takes, I would be picking the brain of legendary offensive coordinator, Super Bowl winner, Josh McDaniels, as much as I can possibly do it. If it's sitting in the hot tub with him after practice in the cold tub having a beer,

whatever it is, I'd be picking his brain. What I would do? What would you do? I would do a lot of that stuff. I would, I would be very extremely close with Josh and be able to talk the language. you guys got to be able to finish each other's sentences by the time you know you guys are starting to call plays to other people so yeah knowing the offense inside and out film I would live in the film room okay I would live in the film room and watch players that succeeded in the system you're about to run so watch Tom Brady old film because that's the offense that you're going to run

to be able to break down all the you know the protections You could see conceptually what's going on. Knowing the offense is going to be number one. Because the faster you know the offense, the more you get to use your athleticism and your God-given talent. If you subconsciously know what's going on from the defense and your concepts

and knowing like the back of your hand, then you get to use your specialties. That's when your specialties get to come in. And he's an athletic guy, and he's really good with the ball in his hands and he could throw it. So that's when he can start to use that flare. Two, I would work, I would hire a coach,

a quarterback coach of some sort to work on my feet. There was too many times last year, Drake May was like falling away from his target. He made the throws, but sometimes the ball placement of the throw wasn't where it needed to be. And a lot of that has to do with your feet. When you get your feet cleaned up at the quarterback position, when you're on balance and you know to go nowhere to go at the ball that's when you get your most accurate throws that's what we always saw from tom that's what you see from the greats you know and then you know with his athleticism there'll be a time or two where he won't have his feet but he'll be

able to execute but when you have your feet that's when you're more accurate so knowing the offense and getting your feet dialed that creates accuracy so that's what i would do if you were dan Campbell, what would you do? Well, all my coordinators left me. So what I would do is I would take that coffee order, Jules. I would triple it up. I think it's about, what, 800 milligrams of caffeine? I would skyrocket it to 2,400 milligrams and let that caffeine replace Johnson and

Glenn. And now he can do the work of all three men through the power of coffee. You may have replaced. Johnson and Glenn, but you also had a heart attack. 2,400 milligrams of caffeine. Holy schnikes. He already has the most ridiculous coffee order in the morning, but God bless him, man.

He needs it. He's a guy that can handle it. What I would do if I was Dan Campbell, I would self-scout every single fourth down that we went for and the situation that we did it in where it was in the game, where it was on the field,

where our points were, where the other team's points were, and I'd really try to dial that in and become a better decision maker under those high pressure situations if I was Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell, the team isn't what you were when you first got there,

where you had to steal a possession or two because you didn't have the best offense or you didn't have the this or that. This is a winning organization that has, this is a organization that has a lot of fundamental players that can go out and win games. You need to start acting like that. You don't need to be the sneak attack guy anymore.

Okay, if you just run the game, the way you guys can run the game, by running the ball, play actioning with Jared Goff, and then methodically just killing teams down the field with your offensive line, getting a stop here or there on defense, I think that's what's going to do best. They need to change their overall,

I feel like Dan Campbell needs to change his overall thinking process. You got to have the chip on the edge, on the shoulder. We all have the chip on the shoulder, but you have to evolve as a coach, just like players have to evolve. okay not each team is the same team every year so the things that you did two years ago with your team you may not have to do this year with your team or the year you're going into every team is different he needs to learn his team and then so he can go in and have non-emotional decisions when it comes

to calling those fourth down plays well i still think he's going to need to triple up his caffeine order and coffee order duels he's definitely uh to be able to do that too i i i i I agree. I agree. All right. What if you're Aaron Rogers, what would you do? If I was Aaron Rogers, what would I do? Right now, as we're speaking, as he's still a free agent, he hasn't signed with a team, correct?

Yeah. I would sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're ready to go. And then I would do my darkness retreat inside one of the walk-in freezers of the Permani bros sandwich shop and become a pixberge in right on the spot and be welcomed by the city coming out frozen eating a permany sandwich i like that and me too thank you chills yeah it can also maybe freeze away all those negative jujus he has yeah that too that's where i was going the jet juju's. If I was Aaron Rogers, I wouldn't want to get in the same predicament as I got

into when I was with the jets where you get there kind of a little late, you don't really practice that much. And then all of a sudden, you know, the season comes out. And, you know, we're not looking like we need to be looking because we look like we're off, we're not on the same page. Okay. Wherever he's going to sign, I would sign as soon as possible so you can learn the players around the team that you're going to be playing with. You know, that I think, if you watch last year on the Jets, I think week eight on, Aaron Rogers played pretty damn good football.

And that's because he started to learn his players, I feel. That's what I feel. You know, I think time on task, he started learning his players, and they started to look like they were kind of on the same page more and more each week after eight. You know what I mean? So sign somewhere as soon as possible,

get in there and work with these young football players. They're going to have two really good receivers. and with the Steelers, you know, you're going to have two really good receivers, but those two really good receivers are only going to be really good if you guys know each other. So like, if you want to play,

I would sign with the Steelers right now. That's a good idea too, Jules. I like both of ours. I do too. Well, let's get into the chillest dude of the week brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes.

Celebrate. responsibly. Not a problem, Julian. Ooh, it sounds so good. I will do as told in this situation. Always refreshing. It is. It is.

Cold is the Rockies. Cold is the Rockies. The chillest dude of the week, or should I say, the grillest dude of the week, George Foreman. Just passed away at 76, just a few days ago. shout out to George for everything that he did, you know, for the boxing world, two-time heavyweight champ, won gold at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics, won the title at the age of 45, you know, and shout out to the George Foreman Grill sold over 100 million units worldwide.

That's just respect right there. shout out I mean if you were a college kid in the 2000s 2010s your parents sent you a George Forman grill and you used to put on those Costco frozen

quarter pound burgers on there solid rock frozen quarter pound burgers on there and you grill the shit out of them and that grease would slide down that plate. Then you'd throw a little cheese on there at the end. Shout out George Foreman.

What an awesome, awesome guy. I believe he has a son that has a gym in Boston, right? Yeah, I've been there a few times before. Actually, my brother Gore's always at everybody fights. He used to work out there.

We used to have a place in South Boston. So shout out to his gym, keeping everyone fit, keeping everyone healthy, showing techniques how to box, you know, how to fight. So just passing his legacy.

down to others. So, you know, you got to appreciate all the great things he's done out there. I remember on the infomercials, he just seemed, he looked like so nice. He was just a big teddy bear. Mm-hmm. They'd probably rip your head off. Oh. And a heartbeat. Oh. Well, shout out. Easily. Shout out to George Foreman, RIP. You'll always be remembered, not just for your unbelievable athletic career. But for also filling our college stomachs up with frozen burgers from your grill. And sometimes you would toss a hot dog or two on that grill as well.

Did you cut them? Would you cut them or would you just throw them? No. You just tossed it right on. There you go. Old school style. You know, cutting hot dogs. There's no correct way.

There's no correct way with George Farming grill. However you need to get it done. Whatever you need to get it done. And that's how versatile that bad boy was. and that was the chillest dude of the week brought to you by our favorite beer Coors Light get Coors Light delivered straight to your door at Coorslight.com slash dudes

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