Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - The David Andrews Episode

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

David Andrews is in studio! The long-time Patriots center, Georgia Bulldog, and Super Bowl Champ is with us from The DUNKIN' Nuthouse in Boston to talk ball. We talk being a one team guy, his favorite Gronk & Jules memories, and a whole lot more. David also picked a Dude he wanted to talk about: legendary Patriots Fullback James Develin. We find out what kind of dude David is using our patented Dude Questionnaire in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Like, laid down like this. And you just hear, no, you can't, Bill. I'm so love. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes, presented by Duncan. We are coming to you from the Duncan Nut House in Boston. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes

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Dudes on Dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. Today we are joined by our friend, an old teammate, two-time Super Bowl champ, Georgia Bulldog, Aaron Donald's dad. host of the QuickSnap podcast and the leader of the line of our line, David Andrews. Welcome to the show, bro.

That's sick. Thanks for having me, guys. What are you up to these days? Retirement life? A lot of retirement, a lot of dad life, which has been super cool. And then I got into golf and that's kind of been,

I do that a lot right now. Something to challenge me. I talk really bad to myself on the golf course, which I think is good for you. You know, you need some, you know. Kind of like happy Gilmore. Yeah, you know, I haven't found my happy place yet. Have you seen number two yet?

I did. You like it? You get the surgery? No, I need to get the surgery. I need about four more surgeries. But no, it was good. I mean, it was cheap laugh. Nothing, like dumb and dumber too.

You know, it is what it is. It's never the first. Yeah, you just hit it right on the money. A cheap laugh, but you got to appreciate a cheap laugh. I did. I did. I thought John Daly was hilarious. It was so good.

Very good. Yeah. So retired life. Yeah. You know, I haven't missed it. That's like the one question. I want, like, do you miss it yet? I don't know.

I haven't missed it at all. I mean, you know, you miss the guys and there's nothing that we were replaced putting your hands on a group. Like, I love the physicality of the game. Like, you know, those games we were in when you could feel a team break, like, that to me is the best feeling of the world. Like, you go out there and it's the middle of the fourth quarter. You're like, these guys are done.

They want nothing to do with us. Yeah. And so I miss, I'll miss that. But, you know, I just, I gave it all I had. and did everything I could to try to be as successful as I could and walked away with no regret. All three of us right here in this room, we're kind of on the lucky side of walking away from the game of football because we all have a championship and that's what everyone strives for him. And when you walk away from the game without a championship, you're always like,

what if I play another year? What if I go to a team that's a contender and win a championship? Because that's what it's all about. So we're lucky to have that. And on top of it, we kind of all walked away on our own terms as well. Yes, we were beat up. I mean, all of all three of us, we've had plenty of surgeries, but you just had a wonderful career with the New England Patriots.

I'm sure you could have went to another team as well. But you kind of walked away on your own terms, and that feels good. We're rare players to be able to do that. You know, the percentage of players to do that is very minimal. So it feels good. So you don't really miss the game as much because you know you gave it. You're all, like you said. And to walk away with your head high, your chest up, you know, being proud of yourself

is always a good feeling. So congratulations. Thank you. Undrafted Free Agent. We'll get into you more when we break you down. And another thing that we're all blessed on having with our retirement is having avenues to explore. Yeah. You're on QuickSnap podcast with Brian Hoyer.

How's that going? Working with Hoy Dog all day. Yeah, you know, Hoy's great. I had a great relationship with Hoy when he was here. Yeah. Obviously, the quarterback center. you know, I mean. Touches your balls every player. Yeah, you know, and me and Hoy, you know, he was here in 17, 18, obviously, when we were still successful. And then he kind of, you know, hung around for some of the bad years, unlike some people I know. Who? You know, 12 and 9, me and Slate, you know, we really stuck it out trying to fight the good fight. But, no, and so Hoy was there for some of that, which was funny to see, you know, just like his whole perspective because he was so. at different places.

But getting to work with him, I've always thought Hoy had a great knowledge of the game. And I think us being able to see the game very similar at times. And then, you know, I think I'm excited this year to talk about it because one, we did it last year. And it was kind of weird because I was still playing. Then I got hurt. And you know when you're hurt, you don't feel like you're a part of the team.

Yeah. But I'm obviously. Yeah, but I'm still part of the team. So you're like still in this like media, Stacey James, Bill Belichick trained media, you know? and you're like, you don't work for them no more. I know, but last year, last year. You're still trained though.

You take that way. No, last year I did, you know, so I'm like still in that mindset. And so like this year I think it's going to be cool to, you know, be able to talk without having that over your head, you know. And look, I mean, at the end of the day, I'm still a fan of the organization. Yeah. I'm still rooting for them. I'm still seeing everything. No matter what happens, glass half full, you know, but I think it will be interesting to, you know, having Josh back.

obviously we all played for Josh know that offense so you know you can kind of be able to see and give your your point of view I will say there's been some me and Hoy did a practice in stadium practice we like commentated it all and Josh's got some new wrinkles I think the year off

last year was really good for him I talked to him and he did a lot of things so I'm interested to kind of see you know especially what he does with Drake because of Drake's skill set you know he's got a little bit of both like can move can you know run throw So, you know, I'm very interested to see kind of what Josh throws in this year.

The offensive line always has a special relationship with the quarterback. Because you guys are always working together, going through blitz packages, all that good stuff. But there's even another level to the relationship with the center. Can you explain that quarterback, you know, center relationship and what it takes and how much you value it? Yeah. I don't know. I played center since sixth grade. And I only played O'Line since I started playing.

playing and then I started playing center and you know I uh I don't know I just I've always had a great relate like one of my best friends are still my high school quarterback like I've always had a great relationship with those guys one is an intimate relationship very indeed it's dudes on dudes yeah it's dudes on dudes especially when you guys don't have like football pants on or something you guys you can actually feel the because I was like a quarterback and the walk through you could feel lifting up a guy's ball sometimes when you put your hand under when there's no like jocks or anything. It's also dangerous game.

It's center if you're snapping without like some good compression. Yeah. You could rack yourself. I forgot. Yeah. And Jules was quarterback too. What was your relationship with the son? Jules.

Jules, I remember. A little frisky at that 16. 16. 16 we were, that Thursday night game, Jules was playing quarterback. And this dude, he took two snaps and tried to come tell me how to snap the football.

I was like, yo, yo. Yeah. Give me up up in the middle, Bub. Yeah. He was like, I was a little.

And I was like, Jules. Hey, in 2016, Jules was telling everyone how to do everything. But I don't know. On and off the field. Working with Tom, like, you know, he was so, he was so demanding. And it was great for me because when I came in, I got a lot of early experience. And, you know, he's on, I'm on day three install.

He's on day 10,000. So, like, he was making checks, Rita calls. I didn't even know what Rita was. And, like, that pushed me. And, I mean, you guys all know. Tom does like the way he pushes guys to get the best out of them and he's hard on you but at the end of the day he knows he's doing it because he wants the best for you and he cares for you and so that relationship with him and getting to work with him was just really special and he threw me all

i never forget in 2016 in pittsburgh we came up to the line and you know he was making all the my points it was only my second year and we get up to the line he's like what do you want to do here and i like panicked because i was like he never asked anybody you know he was in running the there. He wants to see what you got. Yeah. And I was like, what you're comfortable with probably. Yeah. And I was it like shook me because he'd never done that. And, you know, it ended up working out. I think we went to Gap versus versus a diamond front. And, you know, it ended up working out pretty good. But in coverage. Yeah, it was a, it was a great relate. There's nothing like

the quarterback center relationship because you're one giving him information. He's relaying information back to you. And then it's your job to relay it to everyone. communication. Yeah. So, you know, and then every now and then he'd be in the meeting room and he'd mess something up and I'd have to take the fall for it. He'd just be sitting in his, you know, we all sat in the regular chairs and he had his office chair and just be sitting there. He'd be like, what do we do here? And he wouldn't say anything and I'd have to take the fall for it.

But, you know, with a guy like that, you got to do that. What's an easier task in life? Communicating with Tom Brady or communicating with your wife? I'm better at communicating with Tom Brady. Yeah, she'll tell you that, too. Tom will yell at you more than your wife would yell at you as well. And louder too. Yeah.

And embarrass you in front of everyone. He does do that. He's got a good way of that. But like I'd rather that than my wife. Yeah. Now, what do you think about this Will Campbell pick? Have you watched him at all?

I have. You know, I, so obviously you guys know Dante and I love Dante. I still have a great relationship with Dante. And I think, and I look at a lot of the guys that we played with on the O line and guys even before me, you know you had me let's just go back to me like my ears me shack mason right smaller guy

shack was a smaller guy long arms though yeah long arms but no one thought he was gonna be like he never pass blocked yeah great career me undrafted not all the great size great career joe tunny never played tackle he played all five positions and then scar came in you're playing left guard turned into an all pro left guard so like all the famer all and then you go back to like light you got Dan Connolly, you've got Windell, you've got Neil, you got Neil, you got Steve Neil. And then obviously, the list goes on.

Yeah, you got, and then obviously you got the guys like a Logan Mancans who's like, everyone knew Logan was going to be. Calgary. Yeah. Now, but like What's the common denominator? There's one. What? Dante. Dante. And smart football players. But at the end of the day, this is what I think, right?

And then I look at like you, Jules, like, play quarterback, slate. Like, we just got football players. And that's the basis of it all. And I look at guys on our team. Like, you know, obviously, like, one thing I was impressed with you, Rob, I had no idea what you were like as a player coming here. I knew about your reputation.

That was all over everywhere. But I had no idea how smart of a football player you were in your understanding of the game. I just thought you ran routes, got open, and you got the ball. But like, when I got here and got to know you and watched how you did things, like, and I look at all the guys on those football teams. We just had football players. So I think at the basis of any NFL pick, yeah, everybody, there's fast and they're strong guys. There's guys who can jump.

But if you can't play football, that don't matter. None of that shit matters. So, you know, I look at Will and there's a lot of talk about it, but I think when I look at him, I think he's a football player. And I think he has football player qualities that you want. And to me, that's more important than height, jumping, and all that. Obviously, there are requirements for that stuff. But, you know, you've got to be a ballplayer.

And I think this kid's a ball player. Not only time will tell. And, you know, we'll see. I think fans have to manage expectations with what's going on here. Yeah, but I also like having Josh McDaniels there who can protect them. Josh is going to do things. Yeah. They can protect them with chips and all these and how they call the game and when they call

certain plays for certain matchups. I think that's going to be huge. people don't realize, you know, there's only one guy that's been around Dante Scarnacchio for like 20 years. And that was like Josh McDaniels. So if anyone's going to be able to not be Dante, but be able to know what to kind of say to these guys and develop them, hopefully it is Josh. Well, you know, even watching that stadium practice, I was saying me and Hoy did, like you could see the way Josh called games. Like, we didn't go out there in the first play of the game. We're on 64 protection.

No. And throw a seam. Let's get some. Let's get the quarterback confidence. We got everybody confident, right? Whether it was getting you the ball something quick, getting James White or the running back, getting you a little five-yard route and it turns into 12.

That is how you do things. And then you set things up to now, you know, all right, it's the middle of the third quarter. We've run, you know, 16-0, 15 times. Now we're hitting counter hot. What's 16-0? That was single-back power, I think. So single-back power to one side.

We've hit it a few times. Now let's give them the counter. So basically we're jabbing the whole time all game. You got to be patient with the jab. Jab. And then we hit the counter hot, counter hot. And it would be Gronk at 12 yards. The linebackers are at three yards because they've seen power.

And Gromk's now making seven savings. My favorite play ever. So Will Campbell's going to be a good player. You think he's got the tangible, intangibles. I think he's got the intangibles. Now, all the other stuff. What about another for Georgia guy? You know what I mean?

This Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson. I've heard a lot. Third round pet. Yeah, I've heard a lot about this kid. I don't know. him. You know, it's funny when...

Has he contacted you? No, I was up there and I did see him and I spoke to him and, you know, tried to encourage him. You know, so it's going to be interesting to see what they do. I haven't got a good feel of watching practice, hearing reports of what they're doing offensive line. You know, it seems like the center's kind of been a rotating position. It seems like the right side settled.

You're going to have big mic when you have. it right guard. Still there. Mogan Moses at right tackle. And then it kind of seems like center or left guard are kind of your two juggling spots. Will's going to play left tackle. You know,

what combination they're going to get to that. I think the one thing that, you know, worries me is obviously in training camp, you got guys getting banged up. There's going to be rotation. You need to get some rotation. But I felt like every training camp we went into,

you knew who our starting five was. Now, granted, maybe, you know, a tackle had to get a day off. or was banged up for two weeks. And then, you know, but you knew who the starting five was going into the season. And, but they're at ground zero right now. They are at ground zero.

You know what I mean? Like, they're trying to install a whole new identity of a team, a whole new identity of, like, the schemes. So, like, it's unfair for us to go in and guys that were playing in this same system on a freaking great football team to, like, say, like, well, it's going to, you know what I mean? because like we came in and it was a well-oiled machines already. There was, you know, there was four. There's interchangeable pieces, but it was. But they're still trying to find the nucleus of guys.

Yeah. And going back to your point, a Will Campbell can be a nucleus guy that they draft developed. Jared Wilson can be. Jared Wilson can be. I like the Trayvon Henderson kid. That could be a core guy. You got Drake made.

That's what you have to develop. And then it'll turn into potentially what we were like as a well, oil machine, but they got to have some years together. They got to figure out that starting lineup. They didn't have one. We had a starting lineup and we just interchange like when you came in, when Stork went out. When Stork came in, when other guy went out.

But there were still three or four guys that were there for. Well, and I think, you know, I look at our teams, right, we had a lot of drafted guys. However they get, undrafted, drafted. Like, that had been there. You know, when I got there, Tom had been there so long. Nate, Marcus, Seabas, Wendy, U, you two, you know, just offensively, that's what it was.

And then you had, you know, like a Rex Barka had come in for two or three years. And not that Rex was a great team, but he wasn't the nucleus guy. So, you know, I look at the team right now. It's very heavily free agent. And there's not a lot of those nucleus guys right now of the past six years. They got to get, they're at the point where they got to make them. Yeah. That's what I was talking about earlier on a couple other shows I bet on over the weeks is that, yes, they upgraded this team, you know,

Coach Vrable did a great job going to get the pieces, but he went to go get them in free agency. There's not a nucleus. No. Like we were talking about that, we had when we were there, and that's what continues, you know, the championship runs.

So it's kind of up in the air. Not yet, though. How this team is going to gel. Yeah. It could either be great, fantastic, because all the free agents that they signed come together, or it could be like in 2000, what was it, 13,

with the dream team, the Philadelphia Eagles. They signed all those all-stars. And then they went seven and nine that year and didn't even make the play. So it can go either way. But in the end, if you want to have a sustain success and have playoff runs year after year, you got to have that core group of guys, which we did, which you were one of them, David, Julian, yourself,

myself, obviously, Tom. And that's what kept that, you know, decades of runs of going to the playoffs and championships going. And I think as a young guy coming in, probably same for y'all because there was a different nucleus when y'all came versus you guys were on the outside of the nucleus. than when I came, you were the nucleus. But all I wanted to do as a young guy was be accepted into that nucleus. I feel like fucking Jimmy Neutron right now with all these new nucleus. I don't know who said it, but we're just so smart.

Holy shit, can we? We're so smart right now. But that's a special thing, I think, too, because it challenged me like, all right, like, what do I have to do to be in this group? Is it getting there at 5.30 a.m.? I'll be there. What was the moment where you're like, yes, I'm part of this group? They've accepted me.

When you're part of the nucleus. Part of the nucleus. I would say 2016. 2015, even though I started 11 games, I still felt like an outsider. I would say 2016 when I became the full-time starter and started just jelling with guys. You know, I just felt like 15. I felt like I was just a temporary piece. Yes.

You know, even though it was playing a lot, it didn't feel like I felt like any moment I could be sent home, you know. And really in 16, I felt like. all right like kind of took my role as trying to lead the offensive line and i think that was the year i really like from tom from everybody that i just felt like all right i'm one of these guys now you know and i think that's really special when a group of guys do that because then it challenges those young guys because i looked at you know all you guys what were you guys doing how were you doing stuff all right like i remember i used to get there at 530 because seabas told me to and like late in the year i was exhausted i'd put on film in uh the o line room

and let it run, pause it at like 35 plays, and go back to the sleep room because I was just beat and exhausted. I had sleep for 30 minutes. So if Seabas came in there, it looked like I had watched 35 plays on film, you know? So explain to us the dynamic of the lineman room then. Like when you first got there, explain who's the jokester, who's a serious guy, who's the asshole, was there an asshole, was there this guy? Yeah. How was coach scarring the whole thing? Explain the dynamic of them. So we had a big change from your one to year two for me yeah you know we drafted me shack mason trey jackson my rookie year still had guys like josh klein devie cam fleming josh klein uh flash yeah you had marcus canon

uh seabass and nate and wendy who were like your older statesman in the room uh seabas and windy were assholes to me uh you know seabas would just yell at me in his german accent all the time about like calling fronts and i'm like dude cause he front yeah i'm like i'm I'm like, dude, can you not see it? Like, I'm just figuring this out, you know? But, like, all that stuff, Wendy embarrassed me in front of the O-Line room one day, like pulled me up there and, like, asking me all the questions about a team we were going to play in the preseason.

And you know that first preseason game game, there's no preparation. No. No game planning. Yeah, there's no game planning. And so I had no idea. Was he doing it to make you better? Yes. Or was he doing it?

He was like a true asshole. No, he was, he was, it was an asshole move by him. But it was something like, oh, shit, like, this is real. Like, I got to figure this out. Like, I need to know all that. And I just, you know, in college, you don't, you just kind of go out there and play, you know. And I just had no idea the preparation it took to reach that level. And so what was Canon?

Canon was the good guy. Like Canon, I'll never forget. Marcus took me, him and Nate were both the good guys. You know, Nate was like- Jolly Green Giant. Yeah. And like Marcus took me one year, which was really cool. My rookie year, you know, you're stuck in the residence in.

You're like kind of like just alone. you know, whatever. Mark, you know, like the, I remember the O-Line would go do stuff and they didn't really invite the rookies, you know, but one year Marcus called me, they have the Patriot Alumni Fishing Tournament. So he's like, what are you doing this weekend? I was like, nothing. He's like, you want to go fishing?

And I was like, yeah, I'd love to, you know, like, he could have told me, like, do you want to go play croquet? I just wanted to be invited. Yeah. So he was like, pick me up. We go down to the Cape. We go out that night. He's like buying me drinks.

We had a long night. I could barely fish. Where'd you guys go? Some bar down on the Cape, Falmouth, I think. And, I mean, it was just like, I don't know, it was like a really cool moment for me as a young guy because I was like, this is awesome.

Because in college, we all did that, you know? Yeah. And it wasn't like that, you know, as much being a rookie. And all those guys like Nate, see, they all have kids and everything. Yeah. So, you know, that was really cool for me.

And then Nate was just like the loving granddad of the room, you know, like it's going to be okay. Like, you know, stay positive. Good-hearted person. He's one of the best people I've ever met. And the guy, didn't he keep the Donald duck that we put? I was not there for there. I think he kept that duck. I was like a couple years before I got there. And like he feeds it and it still comes to his house. And you see the big ass Nate soldier like feeding this little duck daily. I remember he had a pet duck that like he didn't, but he didn't like. He might did because he had a palm behind his house. Yeah, he had a pet duck.

So he, but yeah, I mean, it was really, and then the next year, you know, was really where it felt like there was a big turnover with like Joe Tuny and Ted Karras coming in. So, and that was kind of, and then it was kind of like, that's our offensive line. Nate, Joe, me, Shaq, Marcus. And then the rest was kind of history. We went on the run. Yeah. Before we get going on and moving on, can you give us your best Dante Scarineckia story?

Like, because we always, we don't understand Scara's. other position. Yeah. Because Scar was like the nicest human being to anyone he didn't coach. Apparently, I thought he was like the coolest dude ever. Me too. Skar would come up to me all the time. He would come up to me.

He'd be like, hey, gronk. He goes, I know you don't seem appreciated around here, but let me tell you, this, this organization, you're helping it move forward. And we love that. Keep it going. And I like walk away. I'm like, is Dante fucking with me? Like, he was like, because he's, I see him always just absolutely scolding his

lying man and then he just gives me a compliment in the hallway i'm like i'm like i love this guy but is is he messing with me so a couple things real quick so dante would yell at you for taking notes but you felt like you should take notes and so ted teddy teddy was always taking notes like teddy cares he's like always taking notes and so he's like yelling at ted one day ted's like writing stuff down you know and he's like hey ted why don't you write this down i fucking sucks or something like that that was in all time. It's like Ted was the best, dude. What Ted say?

I think he did write it down. Ted, Ted told me one day, like, he had all of Dante's sayings wrote down. And I need to get a photocopy of that. But that one was great. One year, 2019, you know, that was an up and down year. I was not playing. Marcus, we had a real, the old line room was a lot of turnover. It was just a thermal year.

and Dante was going through it. You could tell he was tired. You know, three straight Super Bowls. Like, he was just drained. So one day, he's, like, giving it to him pretty good. And like I said, there's a lot of new guys in the room. And he kind of, like, takes a deep breath, lays his glasses down on the desk. He goes, you know what?

I've said a lot of messed up things to you all over the year. And me and James Farrant, she's sitting next to each other. And James, like, tap him. He's like, dude, he's going to apologize to us. He's like, I've said a lot of crazy things to you all over the years. Fuck it. can't change it now and just went right back into it that was a great one that was a great one and then i used to always love the favorite thing dante used to do to me you know bill would like if rob if you

drop like a slant route right he'd be like i'd go get me and ernie could complete this route whatever it would be right the high school fox yeah yeah yeah you know all the stories of all the stories of bill me and arnie could punt the ball that far and dante would just be in the back of the room right like laid down like this and you just hear no you can't bill i used to love i used to love that because no one say anything you know we're all getting cussed out and like you know bill and ernie couldn't throw a five-yard out route but like you're not going to say that and then dante's just like no you can't bill i used to love when they do that he's kind of like the the uncle that always put his arm around you when things are going right that used to like beat his kids you know what i mean like but but love

kids, it was doing it for the right reason. No. I mean, I never. They were the, they were the sickest kids in the block. I'll never forget. I never forget, like, you know, we did the, what was, what did we call the meetings on the by week, not exit meetings, but like, remember they would like sometimes do like one-on-one meetings with your position coach. Oh, yeah, it was your positional coach before training, like after training camp or on a buy week. It's like your scouting or your self-scout. Self-scout. Yeah. So, you know, we're doing that and he calls me in. And, and he calls me in. I'm like, oh my God, he's about to have every penalty, every flag, whatever, every bad block.

Like, this is about to be 15 minutes of hell before I'm trying to cut loose for four days. And he calls me in and there's like a chair like very close, like how close they're sitting. And like, I'm like, oh, this is going to be so personal. And he's like, how you doing, man? And I was like, I'm good. He's like, how's your wife? Like, how's everything at home? And it really caught me off guard because we didn't talk one thing about football.

And I think that's the perfect example of Dante. Like he was so hard on us. He didn't need to sit down and have a one-on-one ass chewing with us. He needed to let us know. And it was like, hey, you're doing a good job. Keep going. Like, you know, enjoy this week or, you know, three days that Bill would give us. Enjoy that.

Let's come back. We got a strong push to make or whatever it was. And I don't know, just for him to like check in on me how I was doing, how things were at home. Because that can affect you. Like, if things aren't good at home in the NFL, like, you carry that shit in to work and it can affect you. So I don't know, I just think that was like the perfect example of what Dante was. He cared about us at a true level. You know, it's kind of like when your dad, like, you know, one day sits down with you and like opens a beer with you. And you're like, oh, wow.

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All right. Last one, one more thing, because you're great at storytelling. So we got kind of the dynamic of how the linemen are. How did the linemen celebrate in comparison to like when, like there's the lineman float when we were at parades. You guys, we always saw the gronk float. You see the receiver float. Like, how did the lineman take all the fun? And would you guys, like, were you guys, explain the lineman dynamic of how you saw? So was it 2016 when Bill like made the whole stink about like no drinking on the plane anymore? Remember that? Because there was something that happened in training camp. It was about every year.

Yeah. But like he was like we're cutting. No more boot. Like, you know, we're not doing all this. So the first year at the- Look at DA. That's a young DA with college in his face. Yeah, that was 18.

That was probably my favorite parade because I had one under my belt. And I knew what we were doing at that point. But 16, we get on the bus. Everyone's like, where's the beer? Like coming to me, I'm like, I didn't know we could, we could bring beers. Like, that's okay now. And so, you know, I had no idea. So at 18, I was stocked. I had stuff for mimosis for the wives. I had beers. I had fireball. I had it all. 18, we had a blast. That picture's from 18. And it was all of us sitting. We had one of the flatbeds. And we all sat on like they had the generators. And we all set on the generators together. And, you know, me, Shaq and Joe. And it was just. just like, I don't know, but at the time, we didn't think it would be the last one. Yeah. You know, you just, we took them for granted.

I think, I think, especially me because I came in, AFC Championship and then three straight, I was just like, no one's stopping us. We're just going to do this shit every year. We might not win, but we're going. That was my mindset as well every year. But that 18, we had, remember the Dilly Dilly Dilly commercials? Yeah. We had Dilly, the guy on the boat.

Oh, shit. float or whatever the flat bed so we get on there we're like oh my god we got the bud light float like there's got to be thousands of bud lights on this we get there they didn't have one beer they had the dilly dilly bud light guy not one beer the nights you know they used to have the nights they didn't have one bud light on the boat that one that one drove me insane but you don't really need to bring alcohol because you got to keep your head on a swivel i've never had to try to catch more things you got fans chucking freaking 15 beers at you at one time if you're not paying attention you get drilled right in the head which happened to me to you're

a couple times on that float in 2018. Yeah, and then I think we went to, we went to Mastros, like, opened the restaurant for the O-Line, and we had, like, lunch and Mastros, and then I think I ended up in Beju that night, and they handed me an Ace of Spades bottle. I was so drunk, I couldn't figure out how to open it, and I ripped the

cork off, and the cork was just stuck in this, like, I don't even thousands of dollar bottle of Ais of Spades, and everyone was just, like, I'll get it out with my pocket knife. They were like, I'll get it out with my pocket knife. They were like, please don't pull your pocket knife out. So, you know, it was, there's nothing like the parades, man.

That's probably the... I think my favorite part of winning is the ring ceremony, though. Parades are awesome, but the ring ceremonies when it's just us, nothing like it. Well, talking about the 2018 parade, what about the game when you were going up against... When you're going up against Aaron Donald? What was it like blocking him,

one of the greatest defense alignment to ever play? And you held your own. You were one of the reasons why we won that game because we took care of business in the trenches. Well, I'll never forget, you know, really, and to give someone else's flowers, Joe Tune deserves from that game because we had such a great game plan going in. You know,

we were really good at running the football that year, and that opened up our play actions to get guys like you two open, right? And a lot of times when you're running play actions, sometimes that creates one-on-one blocking and some bad advantages, especially as an O-Lyman because you want to try to be aggressive. Sell run. Yeah, sell the run because that can help you. But then, Aaron Donald's such a problem.

So we had it schemed up where Josh was doing it. so great about the formations where we were putting Aaron. You know, we didn't want him backside on some plays, which you would think, but that could cause some problems. You know, we wanted in front side. So Josh did a great job. And we had a lot of our plays where we weren't, and they, on their base defense, they ran like an underfront.

And so that would create one-on-ones on the back side. So Josh was like, we're not doing that. And I think we remember we came out and we found out they weren't matching the person group, it was matched off the running back. So last drive when we hit you, you know, for the scene, it was all who was at the running back. So if it was Rex in the game, they would put sub. We'd run the ball.

Then when Sony came in, it was B-Based. We'd start throwing the ball. So it was like an interesting adjustment we made during the game. But I remember one drive, it might have been the drive we went on to score on the Sony touchdown after your play. We called like a 435 lead. And we said we weren't going to call it because I put Joe Tuny one-on-one with Aaron Donald. And Josh came up to us at the O'Line.

He goes, look, I know we said we're not doing this, but we're going to do it because this is going to be a big play for us. We did it. I think that started the drive to you. And then, you know, we just started eating them alive that drive because we kind of got in a groove. And I just, I don't know, I look at that game and it was just up front. Everybody got their turn against Aaron. You know, it wasn't one guy. I didn't get confused.

I even got my turn one time. Did you? lined up everywhere. He was a detackly. He was a DM. When he lined up against me, I was like, oh shit, my turn. But I held my own. I had help. I think one of my favorite pictures on your big play, it's off five. It was a five-man front, so everyone's one-on-one. And I don't know, it's just, it's cool to see because it wasn't like, you know, one guy's getting double. We all had to hold up our weight against, you know, they had great dealined. And, you know, it's just, that's what we trained for that's what we did and and you know everyone pulled their weight that game uh and i i know

people talk about hate that i think that's probably one of my favorite super bowls just because it was such a grind and like we were every team was moving the ball but it was all about field position and different things so just no one was scoring no one was scoring but there was a lot of yards i mean how many yards do you have jules yeah 150 yeah 150 yards no touch that like that's a lot of yards to not score i feel like so So it was one of those games where it was just so interesting. But it was a lot of adjustments in game, which I didn't feel like we made in Atlanta. Like I don't think there was a lot of adjustments. We just weren't playing good.

So that part of it was really fun to me. Man, that's crazy. I mean, you're going to get to tell your kids. He's going to go down his probably top five player on defense of all time. My son started asking about like Tom and stuff, which is like, that's got to be fun. I took him to the statue. you and Tom was like can I hold you and my son was like no I was like I was like buddy you're gonna regret that one day you know like I'll Tom you can hold me you know but so that's really cool like because

he doesn't understand that yeah but like you know you have pictures with the greatest person to ever play this game I know so like I old boy he's four four he's getting he's getting two more years he'll know yeah he started he'll be regretting it like he was asking questions on who his jersey was why he was in there and then like we saw something the other day he's like that's Tom Brady I'm like All right. Good job. Here we go. TV. Hey, he's coming along, baby. Now it's time for Duncan dudes presented by Duncan. This is a segment where we determine which type of donut best represents our guest.

We know your son's probably a little munchkin. My son would eat about every one of these donuts. Give me those donuts. Before we get out of David's, dude, we have to find out what kind of donut David is. What's your favorite sweet flavor? Well, first off, it's not necessarily what type of donut you like. We're going to determine what type of donut you are. So which donut do you like?

What's your favorite, like sweet taste? Oh, man. Like. Are you a sweet guy? Rob. You're everything guy. I already know what I think he is. I do like cinnamon and stuff like that.

Like I love carrot cake. But you got to have the frosting matters on the carrot cake, correct? It does matter. And I want no fruit, no pineapple. No fruit. No pineapple. No pineapple. And my carrot cake.

I love like simple flavors. Like I'm a simple guy. I don't want something exotic. It's easy. I know what you are. I already know what you are too. I think you're old fashion. I love cake donuts. I think you're more of a glazed stick. A glazed stick. you know, I don't I don't hate the glazed And you stick it to the fenders I like the defense of line Y'all probably don't ever eat these But growing up I'd eat the glazed sticks From the gas station

Oh yeah Oh So you go to the gas station And get those glazed donuts Like going hunting in high school Yes Like a honey bun or a glazed donut stick And a chocolate milk

Oh then you like you like You like cinnamon roll We don't have one of those Yeah we got an old fashion right here If I was gonna go there You should take a nice bite of this old fashioned glaze. That might be the pumpkin. Old fashioned glaze. I agree. You're not you're not like a flashy player out in the field. You just get the job done.

It's not like, oh, there's David Andrews out there looking all swaggy, you know, but it's look at David Andrews. He's just just absolutely dominating the defenders, doing what he's told, and that's an old fashion for you. He's big ass towel on his back. Mm-hmm. Oh, my ass towel. Are you an old-fashioned drink guy as well? I'll just drink beer Craming ginger Yeah

All right, let's jump in Nice and simple Today We're letting David pick This episode's dude Who's the dude, Rob? Let's get the AI Where's the AI?

Oh, AI What's the AI? I don't know who's David Pick, let's see Let's see who we picks On every episode we do a synopsis AIS Is chat DBP? Yeah, nope

We don't know We don't know chat it is It could be one of the Just an AI out there It's chat jack. It's just out there, you know. But we do a little reveal of who we're going to be talking about, who we're going to be breaking down,

and the player that you picked today. So here we go. Standing 6'4-3 and weighing 255 pounds. Ooh, big guy. This undrafted fullback carved out a hard-nosed NFL career built on grit and versatility. He grew up in Pennsylvania, starred at Boyer Town High School,

where he earned all league honors as a linebacker and went on to play defense. defense align at Brown University. Smart guy. earning all Ivy League recognition. He was a smart guy. He was a smart guy. I shared a room with him my whole career.

Very, very smart. I don't think he ever made a mistake. Well, let's get back to this. In the pros, he switched to fullback, becoming a pro bowler and three-time Super Bowl champion. He is widely regarded as one of the premier fullbacks of all time. Ladies and gentlemen, James Devlin. Let's get on James Devlin.

We got to ask you why James Devlin. I pick James one because I think he did all the dirty work and didn't get a lot of the credit. And that's a fullback kind of like, and I feel like fullbacks, you know, no offense, Rob. I do think you were kind of an honorary offense alignment the way you blocked, but you also made a lot of big plays. Fullbacks don't make the place. And so you really are an honorary offense alignment. And this guy just how he approached. everything. I used to be my favorite

thing watching them work out. And then we became really close in 2019. What is it? Remember James Devinler? Just bring the smell of and salt. I need a little pick. I remember one day I was done with my workout. You know these are illegal now? They're not illegal. They just can't

be given to you by the team. Oh, that's strong. That's what James Devalon used to do in the area. I felt good, though. All day. Waking up my sinuses. Give you a little shot of life. But yeah, no, I mean, just the way. We're passing it on. James did everything.

Way he attacked the weight room. Way he attacked his career. And I didn't really know how he got there. When I got there and 15 didn't know him that well, he broke his ankle, remember, or leg in Carolina preseason three. So he was hurt all year.

I had surgery. So I just didn't know him. And then 2016, he was obviously back and I was watching him. And I'm just like, dude, this dude's a psychopath. And then he actually ended up being my neighbor, which was awesome.

And he had a family. I didn't have kids yet, but his boys, I love playing with his boys in the yard. And it was just like, I don't know, it was awesome to see him as like a dad and them wrestling and playing. And then in 2019, we both were hurt that year and we trained together. And that was probably the dumbest thing I ever decided to do. Why? This dude, the workouts this dude would come up with. So, like, you guys doing your own thing.

We train at like 5 a.m. We did crazy things. And but we both, like, couldn't, because I had the blood. blood clot so like my training was weird he had a neck thing so he couldn't lift heavy so we were just doing like weird workouts but like we do one in the morning and then after lunch or like break time before practice he's all getting ready he'd be like all right we're going to do a 30 minute shadow boxing lesson in the shower in the shower shower sauna sauna much to say whoa potty that would have been back but but he would be like we're going to do a 30 minute lesson in the shower and then we're

going to go around 30 hills. I'd be like, dude, I was dying trying to keep up with this guy. But it was super fun for me because I didn't have anything to challenge me that year. So, um, and just the way the dude cracked skulls. Like, there was nothing like it. Nothing. Just laid it on the line each week for us. And, uh, my favorite thing would be like if we, you know, we'd sometimes start in like 21 personnel and then we'd break to five wide and go to like 74. And like two times a year, like they wouldn't cover him or they'd, or they'd, you know, just like play off and he catch like an eight yard hitch route i used to love that love it that used to get me so fired up but uh he just he's everything you'd want a football player and everything more

importantly you want in a fullback and in a teammate yes 100 percent he was a great teammate and i had no idea how he got to the league until i got to know him yeah you know because you just you feel like when you come to the n nfl like it's like yeah everyone's drafted you know and that's not always the case. And so when I started to get to know him, learn, you know, went to Brown played D in there, then went to the arena league. I think you played in the UFL,

then Descensee, and then came to New England and then made a great career in New England. I mean, that's how, you know, talk about taking advantage of your opportunities. That was something I was trying to do, my rookie year. Like he lived it all, did it all. You know, and people like, oh, yeah,

you were undrafted. I'm like, yeah, it was not as much of a grind as like someone like this guy. AFL, UFL, like I went to the U.S. What was that for a year? And with the dying position at fullback as well. I shared a room with James Devlin

his whole entire career with New England. He was one of the most unselfish players I've ever been around. We shared a room with him. I mean, I was in the tight end room. Oh, he was a fullback, but he was in the tight end room. Didn't you live together?

No, no, we never lived together. But we were in the same meeting room from morning to night in every single meeting room. It would start off with the tight ends and we would go in the offensive room to be with, you know, the wide receivers, with the skill players, and then we would be together in the team room. It was James Devlin and I in every single room, his whole entire career. And he was the most unselfish player out there, one of the smartest players as well. I don't think he's rarely ever made a mistake in his career. He's never went to the wrong guy. And for example, if I went to the wrong guy,

if I went up to the second level and I took the wrong linebacker, he would make me, he would make me right and make me look good. And I always appreciated that. In the room as well, he never caused any controversy ever. Zero at all. One of the best teammates you can possibly have. And he also made me a better player as well. When you were talking about it, yeah, I blocked. But then I also, I got the credit for going out and making a big play. But where did I make all my money? I made all my money in the play action game. And that's when I got the most open because all the linebackers, would step up and then Tom would just dip it to me and then I would just make a couple guys miss and get 25 yards bam right off the bat like that why was I so open yes I was blocking you guys

were doing your job as well but when you have a fullback in the game as well that you got a you know you got to respect that you know he's going to bring the heat every single time he's in there and he's going to run full speed downhill and give it his all and lay his body on the line every time you respect that so every time they would say oh James Devlin's in. It's going to be a run, you know? Yeah, why wouldn't they run the ball? One of the best fullbacks in the league. And boom, we would play action off of that. But he would still go full speed downhill and it would get me open because the linebackers were nervous that he was in. So without James Devlin in, you know, it like it boosted my stats in the past game because of him and how hard

he went and how good he was at the full back position. I think, you know, as an O'Liamen, we ran a lot of inside lead plays with James, right? Like him mono-e-mono with the linebacker. and I used to always love, and it's not like you could, it's hard to explain, you guys will know what I mean, but like when you can fill people around you. Yeah. So we run, it'd be an agap to agap run. So a lot of times I'm at the opponent attack, you would feel like a good block, and then you could feel James going by you, and you knew the play was going to be a good play. The wind. Yeah, you knew the play was going to be a good play. You just felt him because you knew he was going to go stick that linebacker, and it was going to be a good play. And then honestly, I felt invincible

on the goal line with James Devlin. If we did our job, there was no worry about what was going to happen with James Devlin and the linebacker. Which, you know, that and that, to me, it's a missing part of the game in the NFL right now. And I do think you're seeing it come back a little bit. Like, they're maybe more tight-inish,

but like I think San Diego last year had like two dudes that were like 350. Baltimore. Seen Baltimore do it a little bit. Like, it's coming back that these fullbacks and they're, they're valuable in the run game because it creates mismatches. And I don't know, just you see a guy in a three-point stance in the backfield ready to go.

It's just like, it's go time now. And as offense alignment, I didn't mind sub runs, but if we were going to run the ball, I wanted to have a fullback because it creates, especially as an offense alignment, when you can put a off our defense and base defense, there's not much they can do. And there's not much they can do coverage-wise. there's not much they can do disguise-wise. So I think it helped out you guys too. 1,000%.

You know what I mean? You can't run all these substituted fronts with a fullback in the game. There's countless times where because we had such smart football players, James Devlin, where we would be in a two-tight, three-tight personnel, put him out wide, and it creates such crazy matchups for the two receivers on the field. So, I mean, he was just a smart football player that, everyone loved. He was never heard. He was always seen. And I remember when he moved on and he

retired, I told Yock. I said, hey, bro, go sit down and watch fucking James Devlin. I want you to watch every hit this guy does. He looks like he's concussioning himself every time he hits. And that's how it has to look if you want to be a fucking foolback in this league. I'm sorry. You can't have brain cells. You need to set the tempo for the fucking offense because when James Devlin got on that field, people knew it was serious time. Anyone can kind of go in and run full speed at a defender one time and then you walk away like, oh shit. I ain't ever doing that again. He was consistent on a daily basis. He never backed down no matter what. Even if he was feeling, even if he was feeling shitty that day. He was running full speed downhill and absolutely smacking whatever

linebacker was. He never backed down. And that's what made him such a great football player at that position is never, ever, ever backing down. You know what used to piss me all? So we used to do Halfline, right? Halfline was a war. They never put a foolback in half. And I would just be like, half line. Please let him get one rep and watch what happens right now. When we don't have to worry about this linebacker, watch what happens when James Devlin walks in there. All right, we got to wrap this and determine what kind of dude James Devlin is. But before that, last question, What kind of car is James Devlin? What kind of car?

You know, I'm not going to say he's like an old farm truck because I think he's a better athlete than that. But he's like a nice Ford F1. I'm a Ford guy, so I'm going to do this. Like a four-year-old F-150, 80,000 miles on it. Still in good shape. Like always dependable, but like not like flashy. Like not a truck.

you're like worried about taking in the mud, you know, can get dirty, but you can also take your girl out on a date, clean it up with. It's got a little bit of style to it. But like, also, you're not worried about if you go out in the woods with it. I might have to alter it a little bit. You're just saying he's an F-150. I think he might be like an F-350. That's a lineman, though. He's probably like an F-250. Yeah, F-250. We'll get me 250. He went 250 pounds. All right. That's a, that's a 250. That's 250. But not extended cab.

He's not that big. No, you can hook a trailer to it. But you can also take it out. That motherfucker could pull. Strong as can be. My favorite James Devlin story, and this is not football related, but this is just who he was. He was running the marathon after he retired.

And so we're talking, he was a huge dude. Y'all know how he squatted and weight lifted. We were like, James, are you training? And he's like, yeah, yeah. And we're like, what are you doing? You know, like, because all these people have all these crazy training. You know, right? It's like you run 5, 8, 12, whatever it is.

The day before you run like 19 miles. So we're like, you train. He's like, yeah, like, you know, I'm, I'm training a little bit, but I'm just still lifting. The dude we found out didn't train at all for the marathon. Didn't run at all and just went out there and crushed the marathon. And that's James, definitely. And just like, I can do it. Mind over matter.

Doesn't matter. I'm going to get the job done. All right. All right. I like that. And so that segue. he's perfect to what kind of dude is James Devlin. Now, David, we have five different categories. We have a stud, someone who's had the pedigree, who was always the guy, he's well-rounded. When you see

him, he looks like, damn, that guy's a fucking stud. You got a freak where you look at those kind of humans. You're like, they're not humans. They are just like, what the hell is that? That looks like an animal. A dog, someone who's relentless, mentally, physically tough, probably had to go the long road, a whiz, someone who's, you know, innovative, he's clutch, he may have revolutionized something in his type of the game, or the dude's dude, which is the guy who's a glue guy in the locker room. Everyone loves him in the locker room. Now, James Devlin is probably multiple of these. Yeah, I was about say, I think he's, but what's most fitting for James Depplin? There's three that I would be between the stud, uh, the dog, and the dude. Uh, because I thought he was a

great locker room guy. Like, he just, he was always there, dependable. He was all, he never got too high, too low. You know, so he's calm, cool, collective, positive attitude. Like, I think when you went and worked out in the weight room with James, you wanted to go harder, right? You wanted to train harder. You know, but I think I, you got to go, the position he played, how he played the position,

the way his career path went. You got to say, Doc. He's definitely. And now he's a stud. He's a 1,000 percent dog. He's a freak. Especially in the weight room. The stud is the guy who's drafted in the first round.

Yeah. The stud is the guy who was the five star. And I don't think he innovated the game. What I think he did is honored the game and played the game the right way by like the people that came before him. So like he wasn't innovative in that sense, but he honored those guys because the fullback had been around for a hundred years, right? Whatever. But like he honored those guys.

guys the way he played the game. He was an old school 1980, 70 fullback, but you know innovation wise, no, but he was a D-Lyman. Yeah. He went to Brown. He innovated. He's too smart to be a football player. No, he's a fucking dog. On three,

one, two, three. Dog. All right, the chillest dude the week. Let's get into it. The chillest do the week brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coorslight delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com. slash dudes.

And the chillest dude of the week is our friend recently New England Patriot retiree David Andrews. Let's get our notepads, Rob. So this is our segment where we determine what kind of dude you are.

David, have a beer, man. On us. You know, you can't drink on beer commercials. You can drink on podcast? Yeah. The Wild Wild West out here, buddy. Ain't no fun. Ain't no fun unless the homeboy gets some.

Cheers. Cheers, brother. Cheers. Now we have a series of questions that we have in our notebook that we like to ask. To figure out what type of dude you are. You get out what type of dude. All right. Some beer is pretty good podcast.

Let's start it off with an easy one. Do you wear flip-flops in the shower? No, bare foot. Oh, bare foot. Never had it. No sandals. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Besides time.

besides Tom. Yeah, besides Tom. That's a gimmy. Kenny Chesney. Kenny Chet? Kenny. No shoes. Kenny, no shoes.

No shirt. No problems. No problems. No shoes in the shower, doll. Okay. There we go. All right. All right.

It makes sense. What sports do you play in high school? I quit everything my freshman year, but I wrestled and played the cross my freshman year. But you played them your freshman year. Yeah. you quit them? Yeah, just football. Why?

I needed to work out. I always was a problem of gaining weight. Yeah. So I needed to work out and train and going from football straight into wrestling, straight into lacrosse. Like after wrestling, I'd lose a bunch of weight because of the conditioning and everything like that, that I knew lacrosse wasn't going to take me anywhere. I was a good wrestler.

I wasn't great. And I love football. and I wanted to put everything in football and see where it took me. Okay. Well, we know you're, you love physicality because the common denominator of all those sports is being physical. Yeah, and roughing up guys.

I quit baseball because I saw you could hit people on lacrosse. Okay. How many college offers did you get? Four. Four. Went to Georgia. What were the four schools? Vanderbilt,

Michigan, Duke, and Georgia. Man, usually when you only only, have four scholarships and you go to like the university of georgia it's like three mac programs and then you got lucky to get like that scholarship offer to georgia you had like four big time programs yeah i was like how did you have four big time programs but no whoa whoa whoa whoa he had two big time

programs we're not putting duke and vandy in the goddamn big time football program okay yeah but vandy vandy yes two two yeah michigan those are smart schools though i did when georgia georgia offered me four days after I got my first offer and I told my high school coach I don't want to talk to anyone else. Well, what would your college GPA? Because that might understand why you had the office in Duke and Vanderbilt.

High school, you're high school. I think I was like, yeah, your high school. I think I was like three, two. Three two college? High school. I think I was about three, three one in college. Three one smart. Why was Duke and Vanderbilt coming after?

What was your SAT? Yeah. I had a three. When I took the SAT, I only had to get, because of my GPA, 800 to get into Georgia. And my dad told me, if I didn't get above a thousand, I was going to have to take it again. So I made 1,200. So 1,200, was that out of the 1,600 or the 2,400? 16.

You didn't have the written. I did have the written. Oh, have the written. So he's a little younger. That was, that was, uh, the written was just kind of starting when I took it. So, like, they gave you both scores, written. So you could submit if your written score helped you. Yeah.

You could submit that or if it was better without the reading, you could submit that. Okay. A little fun fact, I had like 7.30 in the math section of the SAT, and then I had like 2.10 in the reading section. So my. Good with numbers. 7.30? Yeah. You had a 730?

Yeah, in the math portion. That's really, that's pretty good. Mm-hmm. What's that 800? Yeah, but then I only had like an 850 total. So it wasn't that good in the end. That was, like, I just had to get 800 with my GPA. Yeah.

All right. Mm-hmm. It was what Georgia told me. What's your go-to favorite ice cream flavor? I'm an ice cream guy. Ice cream guy. I wouldn't say cookies and cream because I don't like how soft the cookies are in it. If I was going to choose, though, like an Oreo blizzard when they're crunchy Oreos in it.

Crunchy. Likes a little grit in it. So like the Oreos put into the blizzard, like right on the spot. Yeah, because when you get like Oreo ice cream, you know, they're soft. It's saturated with fats. Like I like a crunchy. Guy knows his dairy. Or butter pecan, something like that.

Butter, that's, like, if I was going to go to like an ice cream stand, I'd probably get butterpacom. Okay, okay. How much can you bench? Hayday. Hayday. The most I did was 365 for three. 365 for three. How many surgeries have you had?

Three. Three surgery. Two shoulders and a pin in my thumb. Oh, have you ever been fined? Yeah. For what? And how much? I got, my worst year was 17.

17? I got four illegal cut blocks in like six weeks. Four illegal. So what did that come up to? It was like 40,000 at the end of the day. 40K, 17. And I tried to blame Dante in my appeals. Didn't work.

Merton Hanks got you. Blaming others. All right. Because I did. We played, remember we played the Saints? We ran a screen pass at halftime. And I got a holding penalty. And Dante's like, and I had just gotten fine the week before.

He's like, why didn't you cut? You dumb fuck. I told you to cut. And so then I just started cutting everybody and then started getting fine. And so when they had the appeal, my last one, they weren't very happy. I was like, look, my old line coach told me to cut. So that's why I cut. Okay.

I got it. Makes sense. What was your fastest 40 time? I think at ProDay, it was like 501. 501 quick for a big guy. All right, two more. You have any posters on your wall when you were a kid? I did.

Of who? Of what? I had Dion and Mike Allstott. Dion Sanders? Yeah. Dion and Mike Allstock. And Allstock. So one of the flashiest players?

and one of the most hard-nosed players to ever play the game. But he was also an Atlanta, Georgia guy. Yeah. And Dion was an Atlanta guy. Okay. So that's, I was a Dion guy too. I was a Dion guy too. Who wasn't a Dion guy?

I mean, Dion was prime time, baby. And final question. How do you eat your steak? In what sense? Like cook? All sense. All senses. I prefer grilled.

Grilled steak. Medium rare. Medium rare. Rib eye. marinated in a sauce from the south called dales. Whoa. Dale sauce. And do you eat the steak with utensils or just with your bare hands or depending on the setting?

I'll use utensils. Now, if it's a bone and ribby and there's still some meat on the bone. I'm going to chew the bone, yes. So you're using your hand. Yes. Now, if we're at a fancy restaurant still. I paid my money's green. Okay.

Money's green. money is green that's a good point my girls always like rob you're wearing shorts into this restaurant i said yeah they'll accept my money yeah they don't want my money somewhere else yeah i'll go to the steakhouse next you know next door if they don't want it Robbie let's uh let's go over okay what do you looks like my four-year-old trying to write his name over there man this is a tough one he does i mean his money's green he's an ice cream guy he has some five flat 40 five flat that's not bad yeah let's go there all right on three one two three dog we think we think your dog i mean undrafted free agent uh wasn't the smartest guy wasn't the

fastest guy uh wasn't the strongest guy uh wasn't the strongest guy i did 345 when i was in my heyday 355 maybe as a bench but loves ice cream we could have put you in the dude's dude category because everyone loved David Andrews, but he was the leader of the line. You know, he was the leader of men. And the way he got there to become a leader, being prepared for his opportunity, fucking going through a lot of adversity through his first few years with injury at the end, this, that. You could say you're a fucking dog.

I appreciate that. And dogs necessarily don't have the stats on the paper, like at the, you know, combine running the fastest 40, being the strongest guy. A dog gets the job done at all time. and is relentless and that's who you were, David, as a player. I think we had a lot of dogs on our teams. Had a lot of dogs. When I look at our teams, you know, like even, you know, you two are superstars, right?

But you did what the team needed. Like, why I respected guys like you so much is because you guys, you would go block safeties and you would do what you needed for our football team, even though that wasn't what's best for Julian. You rob all the blocks. I mean, 2018, we couldn't not have, Like when you left and I figured out what you did for our team. I mean, I knew, but when you weren't there and seeing that from the tight-in position,

I mean, unreal. So, you know, I just think I look at our football teams. It was easy to learn how to be a dog because that's what we were. That's what those guys were. This guy's a fucking Georgia dog. He's this dog. He's all dog. I do love my dogs.

We love you, bro. We appreciate you coming on dudes on dudes, man. We appreciate everything you did as a football player as well. champion for life and we're all champions and Super Bowl champions together forever. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Thanks for having me, boys. And that was the chillest dude of the week.

Thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit coreslight.com slash dues. And always remember celebrate responsibly. David, thank you so much. Everyone go check out the QuickSnap podcast. Wednesdays on NBC Sports Boston with David, Andrews and Brian. Hoyer they give some great insight i've watched a bunch of you guys on social media i love watching

you succeed check them out on instagram at bear underscore 60 60 and david andrews 61 on x anything else to plug no we got to get you on gronk's been on i know it's been a dude yes i got to get on that quick snap podcast but i don't live over here in my kitchen on the couch just answering all the questions having a good time. And Hoyer on the low, obviously, you know, because he was a quarterback, he has a lot of great insight on the game. Backup quarterback, too, so he sees it all. It's a rebeal.

You know, it's kind of like, I think the guys, like with McAfee, like, he was a punter. So he got to see everything from a distance, from a distance, but inside. Hoyer, he's the quarterback. You get to see everything in, but you're also not in it. Like, you're not like, you're not playing, but you have to be. prepared to play, but you get to, his mind is not like Tom's every week where he's worrying about everything. He's worrying about the quarterback and watching the team to communicate to Tom. O-line's such a bubble. Like the skill guys, you guys all do stuff to get. There was a lot of meetings where you guys had

where we were not in. Yeah. Stuff, you know, seven-on-sevents, whatever. Things on the bench, like we're down there at the very end sitting with ourselves, our little, you know, going back to Jimmy Neutron, our nucleus. And then you guys are like one big group. So it's like very, very interest because there's a lot of things he says that I don't remember because we were down here worried about what we were doing you know so that's been fun so but appreciate you guys having me no problem and that's been another episode of dudes on dudes thanks again to duncan and thanks again to david andrews subscribe on apple podcast Spotify amazon music or wherever you listen to podcasts comment a dude you want us to do and remember rate and review and call in and ask us a question on the chill line at

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