Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - The Matthew Slater Episode

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Matthew Slater is in studio! That's right, we have our first guest in the history of Dudes on Dudes! And who better than the 3x Super Bowl Champion, Patriot great, and Special Teams legend? Slate joins us in the Boston studio to talk some dudes, ball, and ultimately find out just what kind of Dude he is using our patented system of questions. We also talk about Slater's Dude: special teams ace Kassim Osgood. It all culminates in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light where we find out what kind of Dude Matthew Slater is. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think most guys have more of an impact at receiver than I did. Miami, Miami, 2011. 80 yarder, 66-yarders. Tom would have never threw for over 500 yards that game. I contributed. I contributed 46. Why do we all remember? Slate's only catchlop to the T. Stock.

That was the year Westwell grew up, the 99 yard. That's right. I had the little, you know, the little 10 yard out for the touchdown. I jumped off sides on a two point conversion. Yes, that's right too. We try to forget that way. Yeah, we did. We brought it up. And that was the last of it. But we were all so pumped when you caught that past. And I appreciate that. Fellows. Welcome to dudes on dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. Today, we're joined by our pal, the captain, the man on a mission on and off the field, Matthew Slater. Fellas, appreciate you having me.

What are we talking about today? Well, what it's like to live with you, Julian? The fact that you and I used to live together is proof that we were slaught. No furniture. One of my favorite dudes of all times. He beat double teams by just bullying people, and he played with an edge. This guy's an animal. and a whole lot of special teams talk.

You are the kicking game. You're the punk game. You're the gunner game. And then we wrap it up by finding out what kind of dude Matthew Slater is in this week's chillest dude of the week presented by Chorus Light. Gotta stick around to the end. Dudes on dudes is a production of I Heart Radio. Jewish worries, chicken little sky is falling at all times, happily miserable with me.

And that's why we love you. loves God, knows everything will be right because of his faith. And Rob's just a golden retriever. He's just happy to happy. Rob stays. Just happy to be there, even if it's going terrible or if it's going great. Rob's default setting is optimism. He's going to always be optimistic.

Even if it's going terrible, I'll be, well, tomorrow can only get better, you know. You got to always have a down practice every once in a while to understand what's going on. You got to have a down episode every once in a world too. Makes you appreciate the good one. Yeah, it really does. You can't have the greatest day all the time, you know? You can't. You can't.

But it makes every other day blossom. It makes every other day better. Now, we just warmed up. And this is a very special episode. Special, special in many occasions, literally and physically and literatively. All three, the trifecta in a good way, not in the way that we all think about. Today we are joined by our good friend, our old teammate, and the man that we love to call the captain.

Our leader. Ten time pro bowler. Five time all pro. Member of the Patriots All Dynasty team. Leader just not on the field, but off the field as well. And three-time Super Bowl champion. And one of the greatest special teamers of all time. According to Bill Belichick, the great.

greatest, the greatest special teamer of all time. And on top of according to Bill Pelichick, he's greater than his dad as well. Oh, I'll take that. Matthew Slater. Welcome to the show. It's great to be here. What is life looking like these days? I'm in full dad mode right now.

Full dad mode. I'm enjoying my time at home in a transition season of life, looking to go back to school, actually, hoping to get my NBA. soon. So been applying to schools. I feel like a teenager again. It's like doing these essays and looking into school. But I'm excited. I'm enjoying this transition and looking forward to the next chapter. Yeah, that sounds exciting. Well, can you explain to me real quick what it's like to be a dad? Because Julian, you're a dad, Matthew. How many kids do you have now? I have four. So what's that like? Because my brothers, all have kids to it. It looks like the best feeling. Can you explain to me? Because I might have to get into it right away. It is. There's no joy like

baby for them. They're talking a baby for, oh, I mean, all the dads around here, they're all happy dads. Well, Rob,

there's no feeling like it. I mean, the joy you get when you're with your children, it's just undescriable. And, you know, I have four kids,

so it's chaos at all times, especially with three sons. But, you know, you talk about how parents are meant to instruct and teach their kids. I learn more from my kids

every day by just watching them and observing them and watching them grow up, then they could probably ever learn from me. So it's been a blessing to be a dad. Man, like, what do you learn? What is one thing that you remember you learn from your kids? This is really good.

Man, you know what? Honesty and transparency. Honesty and transparency. If I ever try to, if I ever try to just, you know, skirt the line of truth, my kids would call me out quick. Yeah. Well, you didn't say that yesterday or mommy said this. Yeah.

So they hold you, they hold your feet. to the fire every day. So you're teaching them accountability, you're in full daddy daycare. So from the looks of it, it's going pretty good, even though you were a little late to this because your three-year-old lost your keys. So we know how we know how what kind of dad is. It's survival. It's survival. It's a survival, especially with that three-year-old. That's tough. That's awesome. Now, let's jump into football. What's your first memory of New England? Wow. You know, I think I go back to 2008 when I got drafted by the team, the first phone call I got from Coach Belichick. And the way my college career had gone, I played a little bit of offense, a little bit of defense, but had mostly played in the kicking game.

And I'll never forget, he calls me. And he's like, look, when you talk to the media, you know, let's not talk about what position you're going to play. I'm bringing you here to help us in the kicking game. And we'll figure out where you're going to play. So I always referenced that conversation with him because he said the expectation for me. It was very clear what my role was going to be, what was expected of me when I got here. And, you know, it was a unique time to come to the team. They were undefeated in 2007.

So, you know, sit in that first team meeting. Bill was like, look, we just went undefeated last year. We don't need any of you guys. So it was humbling. It was humbling. You know, you're just like, all right, I got to come in here. I got to work and put my head down. And I'm going to have to earn everything that comes my way.

So what's it like to like exceed coach Balchak's expectations, but also deliver exactly what he told you you were going to be? Like literally, he said, we need you in the kicking game. And you came through like no other. You are the kicking game. You are the kicking game. You're the punter game. You're the gunner game.

You're everything with the special teams. And he told you that from the beginning. And you took it to a whole not. another level. What's it like to deliver for someone that drafted you and promised you that you're going to, you know, be in that role and just exceed it? You know, it meant a lot, Rob. I mean, I think some people criticized the pick when they drafted me in the fifth round because it's like you're drafting a special teams player this high. And, you know, there were a lot of questions about whether or not my dad had connections in New England and that's how I ended up here, which was not

the case at all. So I definitely wanted to show people that coach made the right decision and placing his faith in me. It meant a lot to me to be able to play for him for 16 years and hopefully do a good job. I assume I did a good job because he kept me around all that time. But yeah, it certainly meant a lot. I think, you know, we grew up in an era where you wanted to please your coach. Like it meant everything as a football player to go out there and get that a boy a good job from your coach. And, you know, I really appreciate Bill for giving me the opportunity that he did. Here's a deep question that you just brought up because you said you stuck around for 16 seasons. You know, Julian, in free agency, you almost left that one time. Myself, I got traded and

I told coach, no, no, coach, I'm retiring. Like, and was there ever a time in your career where you and coach were kind of budding heads, you were a free agent and you almost left, but you knew your heart was here just like Julie and I knew our heart was here as well here in New England. Look at this question. Was there a time? Who is this guy? Who fuck? You're not? He's a football question. Like, I'll tell you my time. He traded me. I said, no coach. I'm a new, I'm a, I'm a patriot, man. I'm going down as a patriot this year. You're not, you're not sending me to Detroit. You almost went to the Giants. I always went to the Giants. Thank God you didn't go to the Giants. And I remember the Niners. And I remember the Detroit. And I think for me, I think we all have at least one

moment in time. It happens to every single NFL player at one point in their career. No question. It's just part of the business, right? So I think for me, you know, in 2017, I got hurt in training camp and I missed some time over the course of the year. My contract was up at the end of the year. And, you know, the negotiations weren't going great. What year is this? This is going into 2018. I know, but what year is it in your career? So this is year 11. Ooh. No respect and it's year 11. You think you've done your best for the team. So, you know, I told my agent at that point, once I saw how negotiations were going,

I said, hey, we're going to have to look to get out of here. And I went down to Pittsburgh, took a visit there. We talked about games and really enjoyed Pittsburgh, really enjoyed my time there. And when I was in the airport on the way back, I got a call from Bill. Happens the same way. And he's like, what's going on? I thought we were good. I thought we were on the same page.

I was like, well, coach, we're not on the same page. And thankfully, we were able to work through it and, you know, ended up coming back, obviously, and finishing my career there. And that next year we won the Super Bowl. So I'm glad I didn't leave. But, you know, it's a reminder that this game is a business. And we've all experienced the business side of it. And, you know, I didn't take it personally at all. But I also understood that I had a responsibility to my family and myself to do what was best for us.

Well, that was 2017 going into the year 2018. That was the same exact year that I was traded going into 2018 season. And then I came back for one more year in New England. And we won the Super Bowl. So thank you, Slater, for saying, thank you to myself. Thank you for staying, you know, the years before that as well. If we didn't stick together, we would have never won that last Super Bowl. Yeah.

We talk about this business side. You know, that's all the scary stuff. the fun stuff that kept us all in the locker room was the team stuff. Let's jump into that. Who was the funniest guy in the locker room? Oh, my gosh. I mean, there were so many guys of great personalities over the years, the two of you being right up near the top.

But I think the guy that we laughed the most probably at more than with was Nico. We had a lot of good laughs at Rob's expense. But he was like our little. little brother, like the team's official little brother. We all love Rob, but I think about Rob. I think about Gerard. He was a lot of fun. And then the McCordies were great. Funny. Low-key funny. Jeff was hilarious. A-hole funny. That's that New York in them. Yeah. That's that New York in. Yeah. I always coming to at the office of guys. Right? But it was, I mean, man, we had so many great guys on that team over those years. It was a lot of fun. You know, one of my favorite

was Ventral. The suburban poet. Rusty. Benson. Runckey Benson. He was hilarious. Oh my gosh. I always, I have to give Ornberger his, flowers. Oh, yeah. Ornberger is, yes, 100% the funniest guy. And then we can't forget about light, the godfather. Oh my gosh. And this guy got into digital videos back before there was even digital video stuff, making funny videos to give to the team. Remember when he did the Harry Carrie thing? I mean, it was unbelievable. You know, light, I mean, we've all. We've always heard the stories about light as a prankster. He had Mike Wojick, our old string coach, not talking to me for two or three months because I helped him with a prank one time. He stole Harold Nash's car,

and then I vouched that there was somebody in the parking lot that I saw taking it. So he would looped me into that. And then Rich, I mean, the fact that Rich was on IR and Bill brought him down to the Super Bowl in Indianapolis just to entertain the table. team. Yeah. And I think we all got a taste of that when he was on games. He's the best storyteller I've ever been around. He's just so funny.

You can't be around Rich without laughing. That is one thing about Coach Belichick as well is that even if a player was on IR but he was a great locker room guy or he was like a bubble guy. Coach Belichick always knew to keep that one or two guys around in the locker room that gelled the whole entire team. And Rich Unberger being one of those guys. Oh my gosh. Making it anyone laugh at any time, no matter what he's.

doing if he's just showering, if he's getting ready for practice, if he's in the training room getting taped up. Just the way he talks is just hilarious. But Coach Belcher, you got to give him credit in that category for just having that guy in the locker room. He's had a guy. Keep that team gelled together. Oh, for sure. Another one, Nico Kudavides. Oh, Nicko. Oh, classic. Oh, man. We had some characters, man. We really did. Which, you know, goes into another question. Who were the slapies? Mm-hmm. Of the locker room. Oh, we had a lot of slapies. I mean, a lot of slapies. And I put, we were, I'll put in our category, we were slapies.

No doubt. Me and Slay, you were never a slap. You were never a sloppy. You were never a sloppy. No, you came in a man. No, you came. You had a touchdowns a rookie year. I was a slappy.

My first half of my rookie year. No. I was a slap in training camp. Yeah. All right, two days. I want to be a sloppy. I know you wanted to be a slap. The fact that you can go up.

The fact that you and I used to live together is proved that we were slapping. No furniture. And this is before. J.E. 11. This is just Jules. This was not Hall of Fame. Julian. It wasn't Hall of Fame. Put some respect out of his name. Yeah. That's when we really

that's when we really loved this guy when he wasn't J.E. 11. He started changing in hair. He didn't have a podcast. Yeah. Like it's, you know, he changed it up. You know, the J.E. 11 came about making fun of Tom. Did it really? Is that what he started?

I started it by making a J.E. Because remember Tom used to wear his TV 12? I one day just made a GE 11 just to make fun of them and then started selling it. And here we are. And here we are. And here we are. And now we're at the dad. I mean,

Tom is out of the game. He was one of the first ones to kind of like, you know, make a brand with the symbol as well. And who doesn't have that now? Any top player in the NFL has a brand. So if you really look at it, Tom kind of created that, you know, with the TV12 symbol. So he was a genius. He's always ahead of the game. And Jules.

years ahead. Hey, great job making fun of them. You got on. Yeah, hey. Turn it into a business. All right. Who was the guy Slate that, you know, took you under your wing? I mean, other coaching staff, of course, Scotty O'Brien taught you a lot, but who was that player that took you under the wing and taught you

what to do out there on the field in the special team's world? Yeah. I mean, look, I was really fortunate to come to the team at a very special time where that kind of, that old guard was still around, and those guys was so much experience, championship experience. So just being able to follow around Larry Izzo, my rookie year was huge.

Huge. I mean, Larry was like the godfather of special teams in New England, had had so much success, had a tremendous career. So I watched him. I followed him around like a puppy dog. All right, Larry's in the cold tub. I'm in the cold tub. Larry's watching film.

I got to go watch film. And he was a great mentor. Another guy, I knew not a special teamer, but Benjamin Watson was someone who really show me how to be a man, show me how to be a pro. He's just one of the best men I've ever known. And then a blast from the past, Sam Aiken. Sam Aiken. Shout out Sammy Aiken. He had the sickest car, too, took me and that thing to hug my back. He'd take me to Providence. He was a, you know, he was a special teams captain after Larry. And Sam was great about just making me feel like, you know, hey, you belong here. Like, you're one of us, you know, show me how to be a pro. So tremendous mentors

early on in my career. Sam was the same way for me as well. He was just a good dude. And he was a ball. Like he was a strong receiver too. He was like 220. He was one of the bigger guys. He was big.

Big arms. Yeah. All right. Before we jump in to the dude that you picked, we got to have one. What is the one gronk story that sticks out? One gronk story that no one, like just a gronk. Hey, you can even go back to your college days. Oh, that's a college as well.

Oh, yeah. We battle. Oh, I remember our defense's a coordinator. I like this. That's why I'm leaving him this way. Dwayne Walker. We're getting ready to play these guys. What did you were?

49 in college? 48. 48. That was my high school number. And everyone knew who 48 was. You know, this guy, Dwayne Walker, butchering my man's name. They got this Grotikowski out there. Like, we got an account for this guy.

I like that. I mean, and Gronk was obviously dominant in college. 18 years old I was facing him. He was a man child. But I mean, look, I think one of the stories, and I don't know if I've ever told you this, Rob, so the weekend that Rob got drafted, I was down in New York with Kevin O'Connell. KOC and Ryan Wendell. Kevin was with us, my rookie year, ended up at the jet, so we were visiting him.

And we're walking the streets in New York, and we see Grunk. Now, obviously, you know, we don't know what's going to happen. I was already drafted. No, you weren't drafted yet. So he already knew who I was. You weren't drafted yet. Yeah. And we're like, oh, yeah, that's that tight end from Arizona.

I think he's supposed to be pretty good. Yeah. You know, fast forward, we draft him. And he turned out to be pretty do-dun. Hey, what was I doing on the streets? What was I doing at that time? Probably just doing some grunks, though. Just having a good time, enjoying life.

But, yeah, man, that was a pretty full-circle moment. All right, that's really cool. And before we get started, well, I got to obviously ask you a question about Jules then. What was he like as a roommate? And how many years were you guys roommates as well? I think it's been documented a million times. I mean, I know it's probably around like seven. Oh, four years.

And I'll say this about, you know, because we've laughed a lot about us being roommates and made jokes. But honestly, like, I think. You still don't. It's a great example of two guys being able to find common ground. I'm like Jules and I are different people, different interests, but our relationship's always been built on respect and, you know, respecting the other guy and really, you know, our friendship goes back to that. So I know for me, if we don't spend those four years together, my career

probably doesn't go the way that it went. Same for me. And I tried to, you know, be a positive influence on him as well. Sprintingling that holy water on me. Yeah. And before we get started, another question just popped to my mind. Do you like, this humble Jules more now that he's retired, giving credit to everyone else. Or do you like that Jules that always had a chip on his shoulder every time he stepped in that locker room, just attacking whoever he can attack,

going after whoever he needs to go after. Yeah, kind of, I appreciate. Who do you like more? Because I love this, Joel. But also, I do miss it. I'm like, come on, Jules. Everyone's, I try to get out of him. He's like, no.

Look, what do you say? I appreciate it. But honestly, he brought an edge to our football team that we needed. I mean, it made people uncomfortable. It made people better. I still think about conditioning with him. And now if I wasn't ready to go, he was going to embarrass me. He pushed everybody around him to be better.

I remember him yelling at guys. We almost got in fights on the sidelines. But it made me better. It made our team better. So I kind of missed that guy. I'm not going to lie. I'm not, I kind of miss that guy. That's a great answer.

Around this time of the year, I can, I, an asshole in this that pops into my head is usually, you know, veterans are coming off the field from their conditioning or something. You go in, you see the new draft picks. And I would always yell in there. You guys, do you guys bring these guys in to take my fucking job? I go in a cafeteria. Is this guy taking my job? But that was the same thing that I heard from Bruske. That's right.

And Kevin Fault. Right. You know, it was a standard where, like, you better bring your A game because it made them work harder. And you wanted to get the best out of them because it was going to get the best out of you. That's right. Absolutely. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go.

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Here we go. This is what we do, Sla. Every guy that we're talking about, I do a little AI synopsis on him. I read off what AI says about the guy just to get a quick summary so we understand who we're talking about. So let's get on to it. AI world.

All right. Here we go. Standing at six foot five inches tall and weighing 220 pounds. This former NFL wide receiver and special teams ace carved out a 12-year. professional career after entering the league as an undrafted free agent in 2003. Despite going undrafted, he earned three Pro Bowl selections and was named first team all pro in 2007, solidifying his reputation as one of the best special team teamers of his era. Let's get on, Kasim Osgood.

Oh, look at that Mohawk. There it is. Oh, is he one of the first ones, you know, start that trend of one of those wild haircuts, dyeing the mohawk, shaving the sides as an NFL player. I think that photo sums it up. Now, you know, for me, when I came into the league, and I think for all of us, it was very important that you learned from other players, guys that had come before you that had had success in the league. Captain answer already. Just feel captain.

And I, you know, Scott O'Brien came to the team my second year. and my rookie year wasn't great and Scott really challenged me to find ways to make myself better and there were two guys that he used to call the name of all the time Brendan I am Mandejo and then Qasim Osgood

and he would say he would look at me and say you ain't know I was good and I was like yeah I know I'm not Osgood he's been a three Pro Bowls this guy's an animal but we would sit there in the offseason and we would study Qasim

and I'm a big believer and taken from other guys' games. Like, hey, if this guy does this well, has a lot of success, let me try to incorporate it. The problem was, QSIMM is 6-5-220. Big boy. I'm six feet 205. Fast, though.

So I'm thinking, I'm looking at Scott. I'm saying, Scott, I can't play like this guy. This guy's an animal out there. But what I learned from Qasim, and, you know, when people think about Gunner play, there are a lot of ways to play Gunner. A lot of the guys that you see now are finesse players. They win with speed.

They use their hands. They use quickness and counter moves. Because Sim just beat people up. I mean, he was the one who initiated contact. He beat double teams by just bullying people. And he played with an edge. I mean, this guy played with an edge. Like, you see that hair right there.

You see that. That's a guy who's got an edge. You got edge. So the one thing I took from his game, was, you know, when you come out here, you should be the hammer, not the nail, and you got to play with an edge. Like, there's got to be something, there's got to be some kind of dog in you that pushes you to go out here and find a way to beat double teams consistently. So, I mean, look, I never was able to be as physical as a guy like that, but I tried to incorporate more

physicality into my game after watching him. And, you know, he's one of the OGs. So salute Qasim. Kassim. Kassim? I think I think I I said Qasim, right? Cassim. I'm sorry. We have to go to him for. Cassim, Qasim. We need.

Official. I like both of them. He was Oz good. He was Oz good. Well, I can tell you this. You can go back to Scotty O'Brien and you can tell him that, yeah, you're not as good as as Oz good because you're Oz great. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Rod with the three. Now, have you met him? You know, we've met in passing. In passing? You know, as when he was with Jacksonville. in the lines and the 49ers, I introduced myself, you know, as he was whining his career down,

and I was kind of getting mine going. But we've never had a chance to really sit down and have a conversation. But, man, if I could, I would say thank you. Because he, like, he was one of the guys that paved the way. I think, you know, you think about Tasker, obviously the Godfather, but there were guys that came after him that continued to shine a light on the importance of the third phase of the game. And Kassim was one of those guys that did that. And, you know, I think the value he brought to his team showed teams like the Patriots, hey, it helps to have a guy like this.

And then on top of the value as well, he was such a great special team. And Slate, you were such a great special teamer, but you helped contribute to our team in so many other ways in the locker room, off the field as well. But I'm the scout team. You would be a defender going against us, guarding me, guarding Julian. And then you would also be a wide receiver in the scout team. You'd be taking first team rep sometime. So you were just an overall just teammate, team player at all times. Was Qasim, was he also an impact in the receiving game, you know, out on the football field? I don't know too much about him.

I mean, this is great that you're talking about him because I'm learning about him. What else did he do besides special teams? Yeah, you know what? He did have some impact as a receiver. I think most guys have more of an impact at receiver than I did. Miami. Miami. Miami.

Miami. I got the one. I got the one. 80 yarder, 66, yarder. Tom would have never threw for over 500 yards that game. I contributed. I contributed.

I contributed 42. 46. Why do we all remember Slate's only catch-lop? I appreciate that. Stock. That was the year. That was the year. That's right.

I had the little, you know, the little 10 yard out for the touchdown. I jumped off sides on a two-point conversion. Yes. That's right, too. We tried to forget that way.

Yeah, we did. We brought it up. And that was the last of it. But we were all so pumped when you caught that. And I appreciate that, fellas. But no, he did have some, a little bit of success as a receiver. And I think, like most of us, there was always the desire to contribute as much as you can. Like, look, the reality is when I came in the league, yeah, I wanted to make the team and I wanted to do it however I could.

But you always want to improve. You always want to contribute more. And I know he felt the same. You know, as I recall, toward the end of his tenure in San Diego, there was more of a desire for him to play receiver. And that may have led to his departure when he headed to Jacksonville. I don't want to miss speak, but I think that factored into it. So he did some things as a receiver.

Cal Poly. Yeah, Cal Poly and then went to San Diego State. So, you know, I know he, I don't want to speak for him, but I know he wanted to play probably more receiver. We all didn't want to play more receiver, but you got to do what you're good at, and he was pretty doggone good at covering kicks. We want to resign you here, but you're not going to play receiver, just special teams. Me not wanting to put in me not wanting to be put in a corner as Patrick Swayze said in dirty dancing.

Nobody puts baby in a corner. Well, there it is. Osgood said that when leaving. So I didn't miss beat. That factored in him. They did. He wanted to play some wide receiver. For Jacksonville.

He said everyone's always trying to amp up the game. You know, get some glory. I mean, that's who you are as a competitor, you know? Absolutely. It doesn't always work out. Did it work out in this case when he went to Jacksonville? Did he make an impact? Not quite the way he thought it was.

All right. That's okay. Did you see him at a Pro Bowl? I didn't. I didn't. You know, because there's only one Pro Bowl spot we were competing for towards the end there of his career. So we never crossed past at a Pro Bowl.

Did you go to the Pro Bowl in Hawaii? I did. Ooh, can you give us a little? That was fun. Yeah, what was it like? You know, that's what we all remember. I actually never been to a pro bowl. I've been inducted into pro bowls, but I never played one.

I never played in one. So explain to us what it's like, Slate. I mean, I'll say this. The Hawaii Pro Bowl was really special for me because I got to go as a kid with my dad. Oh, yeah. I remember getting the experience there. And I never dreamed that I have an opportunity to do it as a pro. But Hawaii, the people of Hawaii are so nice.

They're so kind. It's paradise. The food is fantastic. we were still playing real football at the time. So there was contact. There was tackling their pads, helmets. Now they're running around. Was there kickoffs too?

Like live kickoffs? They were doing that? My first Pro Bowl, there were live kickoffs. Live, you know, running down next to. Breaking wedges. Yeah, it was kind of wild. Hey, man. That is wild.

Holy, holy man. We were covering full kickoffs. Yeah. But it was a lot of fun. I'll tell you that. It was a lot of fun. Man, the Pro Bowl. We got to get the Pro Bowl back to Hawaii.

I agree. Look at Slate. There's a little. Full head of hair. Full head of hair. Did you approve of that picture with those? That was before we were married. I feel.

Now we're talking. So you were a dog back in the day. That's just a photo op. That's the photo op right there. All right. All right. Now, who's the best special teamer in the league right now? I mean, look, I have the extreme body.

but to me it's Brendan Schooler. Schooler. So I'm out of waiting. I mean, that's not being biased. He went to the Pro Bowl. He was all pro. He voted by everyone in the league. That makes sense.

It speaks for itself. And to me, there's really no weakness in this game. When you look at him, you know, we talk about, we always talk about covering kicks and making plays impacting coverage. But in the return game is very rare that the guy he's blocking will even be close to the football. Wow. I mean, he's a dominant player in the return game. What about punt?

School, I love. punt return is you get blocker in punt return he's a great blocker in punt return he's a great blocker in punt he's a great and that's the thing position flexibility he can play in the vice but he also plays in the box he can also rush punts I mean he can do a lot he's he's a freaky athlete he really is so I mean I love him there are a lot of guys in the league oh the vice the vice the vice the vice we need context yeah we need context on the vice the vice go ahead slate the vice so when you go out there the two guys on the perimeter of the punt team or the gunners. When you go across from them on the punt

return team, the two guys that go out to double team the gunner, that's the vice. So it'll be a corner and a safety body type usually that double that gunner, the good ones anyway. If you're getting singled, you're probably not doing a great job. Or they're kicking away. Right. So the vice players, you know, you see a lot of, we put our best athletes out there. We put the McCordy's out there for years. We put a keep to leave out there. Chung. Chung was out there. I mean, we put a lot of good players out there.

It made life difficult for posing gunners. What was it like, you know, you were all pro special teamer and then schooler, all pro special teamer, but you were the one coaching him last year, you know, in New England. What was the one piece of advice that you were giving schooler and that you would give to other special teamers as well? Being an all pro and then coaching, you know, the special team teamers now. Man, I feel, Rob, I really feel fortunate. to have played with Brendan and then had the opportunity to coach him. Our relationship is a special one because, you know, I'm much older than him,

but for whatever reason we clicked. And, you know, our friendship is one that I really, really value. But I think to me, I saw early on, like, hey, this kid's got it. And to really take it to the next level, he's got to have an understanding that it's got to be day after day after day. You guys know this. Nobody shows up in the game and just makes plays. Like, what did coach always say? Practice execution becomes game reality.

So once he had that register for him and it registered early on, you really saw him elevate and elevate and keep getting better. And, you know, we used to say to our guys, like, hey, look, it's not my accident that Brendan is having the success that he's having. Look at how he practices. He's practicing harder than everybody on our football team. He's running full speed. Guys are complaining because he's going too hard.

Like, that's how you need to work to have success. And he understands that. Well, wait, we got to get back to Osgood, first off. He's an actor? He's an actor. Yes. Jericho, we were soldiers, road rules. I've read this about him.

He's, should we say, aspiring actor? I don't know that I've seen any of those. We Were Soldiers is a big one. Jay Glazer introduced the two. Okay. with what? Michael Clark, Duncan?

Green Mile. Wow. RIP. So you act? I don't act. I'm not as talented as brother Osgood. I don't have that. Have you ever act?

I've never acted. Not even in like a Patriot schedule release video. Oh, I did one of those. I knew you were an actor. I knew you were, buddy. You're an actor.

They find a way to get you in those skinny. They get you. What was it like? Just shiny? It was a, we did a retirement house theme one year. Right. Right after McCordy had retired.

Yeah. So Ernie was there. I dropped DMAG off at the house. Ivan was there. They'd do a good job with those. Those are fun. They had with the Prezon this year. Did they have the Prez on this year?

They did. Great. That's hilarious. Broke down every week. Time. Kassim Osgood. Now we got to see what kind of dude is he? Yeah, we'll figure out.

What kind of dude is Osgood? What kind of dude is Ozgood? Is he a stud? Is he a stud? a guy that was born with athleticism. Football IQ through the roof, well-rounded. Oh, he's the guy? Or is he a freak, unparalleled physical ability of one-of-one?

Or is he a dog, relentless, motivated, physically and mentally tough? Is he a whiz? He's got intellect, innovative. He's clutch. He's a whiz. He's very wizardy. Or is he a dude's dude, positive attitude to bring the locker room together, a guy that's calm, cool, and collected,

or just a guy that is in there to make the locker room better. Well, what do you think he is? What kind of dude is he? I'm going right off top. Dole. He's dog. He's dog. I mean, when I tell you this guy, he's the bully guys.

He was a bully out there, man. It was like he enjoyed imposing his will on smaller corners and safeties, straight dog. So just to describe. as good as a whole. You're saying he wasn't really one of the gifted athletic guys out there. He made it because he was just an absolute savage on the football field. And he wanted it more. And he was willing to take on any one at any time. He's six five to 20. So he was gifted as well in that category. He got some stud in him too. He did. Okay. But, but he's probably a hybrid stud

dog. I haven't seen very many six foot five. You're not allowed to have two categories. Slay. It's just one. I'm staying with dog. I'm staying with dog. I agree. You know, usually special teamers. Teamers are dogs or of some sort, especially a guy like his story, undrafted guy, to go and become a 12-year pro with nothing but really special teams on his resume. I know we talk about receiver and that's why he signed to San Diego, but he's known as a teamer.

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Robo double fish. One for me. One for you. One for you, brother. One for you, brother. One for you, brother. Colorado, dude, love the cores lights. He started to be drinking one on his fishing ball, right?

He probably is. He probably is. Cheers, brother. Slate. There it is. One for you. One for me, man. He makes a chill is.

Dude of the week. Our boy, the captain. Matthew Slade. Appreciate you guys. And what we're going to do is we're going to sit and ask Slate some questions. And we're going to determine what kind of dude Slate is. Off of the questions that we're going to ask you. This is our very first time having a guest on the show.

So we appreciate you coming here. Slate is a bad. Being patient with us, just going along with us, your two favorite teammates that you've ever had in the locker room. And being another great teammate once again. but this time in the Nut House locker room here at the dude's house. We appreciate you, man. We want to figure out what kind of dude you are with the questions that we're going to ask you. Let's see.

All right. All right. Let's do this. Let's do this. First off, you got your notepad. Oh, yes, I do. I'm taking notes. There we go.

Yeah. He's going to probably, you know, spit some facts out there that we should probably listen to in life as well because this is Slater. Let's start off. Let's start off with a hard one. What kind of dude do you think you are? Oh, that is tough. Because you want to be humble.

Yeah. Or you don't. What kind of dude do you want to be? Yeah. I like to think the team dude. What was the description? A dudes dude. I like to be a dudes dude.

Bring the vibe up for everybody. Put that down, dudes, dude. I see that. Positive influence on the guy. Positive influence? I never really seen you as a negative influence. Never. Appreciate that, right?

Well, I mean, Jules did a lot of negative things when you were his roommate. So what were you doing inside that house? What was going on? Was he a negative influence? He made it out on skates. He was not your roommate. We don't know. You would be on the giant.

We got him to the whole thing. We got him to the hall of him. I'd be on the giants. You got him to the hall of him. I'm going to take all the credit. You should. All right. So dude.

All right. That's what he thinks. All right. Well, Slake, did you wear flip flops in the shower? You have to wear flip flops in the shower. You have to. You have to. You have to.

Well, why's that? Why do you have to? Because I've seen some of them feet in there. I can't go in there without them. Can't do it. I got some bad feet. Ran a lot of routes. See my own feet.

Yeah, we've got to have it. All right, all right. So half two dudes. All right. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Most famous person in my phone. Yeah, most famous. I mean, I would say one of you guys, but TV probably.

TB. Oh, TV. Pretty famous. TV's. I would say he's up. He's up there. He's, he's, he's more famous in TB anyways.

He's like the most famous. I mean, this guy, this guy, yeah. We wish we had his number. No, you guys, you guys probably get all, all five of his cell phone. Ah, ha, ha, sling, bringing the, he. All five.

All five. He got his new cell phones like socks. Yeah, come on. That was good. That was good. So TB, okay. All right. What was your college GPA?

3.1? Ooh, three. Oh, whoa. Low low. Oh, man. Oh, that's a lot. I thought it was going to be way higher. Slacking a little bit.

That's why you didn't make it into the Ivy League. Makes sense now. I was just, I'm disappointed with that one. But your GPA in the special teams world, I would say at least at 3.8. I appreciate that. Extracurriculars.

Too many curriculars. Too many video games. What video game did you play? Oh, we're playing NCAA football. Okay, okay, I just making sure. So you were a crazy maniac in college. Yeah, we had an issue with the video game. Okay.

We used to play as a team. We played each other. had a pot circulating. Some of those guys may be watching. They know who the best was. And it was me. Slate, you're the best one. That's why I had a 3.1

because I was play 3.8. At least you're the best one. Did you play? Who'd you play with? What was your team on NC2A? I would go Ohio State. What year was this? Ted again.

Ted again. We go. Another special teamer. We go four wide, spread it out. And then you had Troy Smith, running quarterback. See, I can still remember my roster. We were good.

We had that thing rolling. He's hitting four verticals looking off safety. Get it up. Get it up. User coming in and drink out. Run with choice. Get the edge. I get it. All right.

So NC2A played that. Okay, what was the song on your college highlight film? Ooh. Hmm. I cannot recall. Ooh, you can't recall. I can't recall. Sounds about right.

Play too much football. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been hitting the head. I've been hitting the head. You can't remember. Let me put that on the notes.

That's not good. That's not good. Oh, that could hurt you. How many college offers did you get out of high school? Ooh. I'm going to say like 15 maybe. Ooh. What were you a three star?

I was a three star. Oh, okay. I was not Rob coming out. 15. Funny enough, I was just a four star. I had a 15. That's a big number. I committed to go to Dartmouth out of high school.

I was going to go the Ivy League route when I was taking my studies seriously in high school. And, you know, I chose to stay at home and go to ECHLA and play at home, play D1, obviously. So, I mean, UCLA still. That was a great choice. UCLA, it worked out. It worked out. Right. Top five public university. Number one. Top five. Number one. Top five. All those cow bears out there. Berkeley. I mean, Berkeley. Oh, it's us. No, about Arizona. Look at the latest. Look at the latest ranking. Same division. Same conference. Number one. You know, you're number two. All right, Slate, let's get back into this, determine what kind of guy you are.

What was your first car? My first actual car was a Lexus GX, 460. Fancy. And I got that in my third year, then leave. Third year, you go. Before that, I was riding my dad's car. First ever car. What was your first ever?

It was my dad's Lexus. He loved me. He loved me working around. Lexus family. Toyota makes a good product. They make a good product. Okay, what do you drive now? Right now, I'm in an Audi.

Outy. Electric E-Tron? Ooh, E-Tron. One of the people for the Earth. Yeah. I like that. You see? Taking notes.

Taking notes. It's really going to determine. No, no. I'm really going to determine what kind of duty is. All right. This is good. Wait a note. I got to put in parentheses, electric.

Electric. Put that in parentheses. Slate. What was your first endorsement deal? My first endorsement deal. Rebot. Rebo. Team Reebok.

You told Nike to kick rocks. Before Reebok cut me loose. Reebok cut me loose. They cut you loose? They cut me loose after my third year. Well, I think they cut everyone loose. They went on to 10 Pro Bowls in Nike. Yeah, take that Reebok.

Thanks, Reebok. Oh, oh. Yeah, never mind. You told Reebok to kick rocks. Rickok kicked me in the curb. But I think Reebok kicked everyone to the curb. They left the NFL. Yeah, they did.

Well, they had JJ. JJ was still wearing Reebok. Jay Watt. He was still wearing Reebok. Was he wearing? He had his own line and shoot. which I probably would have chosen JJ over me. Oh, JJ.

Rebock. Let me see that. Rebock. All right. Kind of like a throwback type of guy. The old pumps. You don't know a pump place? I remember the pumps.

I was being rebocs with pumps. That's why you were so fast. I don't know. I feel you're pumping up those shoes. Good old Jim well and you walk in the training room. Coach, I'm hurting. Just pump your shoes. Get out of here.

Pump those shoes. I need to stay out of there with Jimbo early. All right. What's a square root of 144? Oh, I know, but I can't give him the answer. 144. Can I phone a friend on this? That's easy, Slate.

Come on, man. You're committed to the Dartmouth. It's all right. We got it. It's a night. 72. You're just messing with us. 12.

144. I don't know that. I thought we would have that. See, I'm not a math guy. Didn't know. Edit that out. Wait, you really? Wait, you really don't know that?

That's 12. Oh. Okay, I was going to say. They didn't know. It's DB 12. No. Fast. Not fast enough.

Describe your locker. Was it messy? It was messy. It was messy. It was messy. It was messy. Yeah, it was bad. Ben.

When you're there for so long, it's hard. Yeah, I mean, I got all this stuff in there. I got 16 years worth of the stuff. So many. People send it in. Yeah. Bibles and stuff to slate. I mean, trophies, game balls, jerseys,

jerseys, rovac, uniform. Xbox to Nike. to this. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff.

All right. I got one. If you weren't a pro athlete, who would you work for? Or what would you do? Well, you know, I've always had a passion for ministry. So I think, you know, my plan before I got drafted was become a youth pastor. So that would have been the road I would have taken. Pastor.

Put that down. That's PSA T-O-R. As a pastor now and a fight breaks out at practice, what do you do? Fellas, we got to, I'm going to do the same thing I did when Rob fought Michael Bennett at the end of the Seattle game. Explain that. Stop, fellas. Stop. You know, like, I don't, you know, I don't want, I don't want guys fighting out there.

But, you know, that's part of the deal sometimes. It's football. Like, this is a gladiator sport. So it happens. All right. What's the most you've ever been? bench pressed. I don't know.

You know. Yeah, you were in that room a lot. 375? 375. Oh, that was three. That was maybe pre the four shoulder surgeries.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So acted like he didn't know, but knew. Mm-hmm. 375. That explains a lot what type of guy he is.

Oh, man. A trickster. All right. Trickster. Have you ever been fined and for how much? I have been fine. Ooh. From who?

From the NFL or from coach? From the NFL. Oh. Face Mask, my rookie year, right? In the preseason. I go my entire career. Don't get fined again. My last year I get fined twice for, you know, illegal crackback blocks because I'm

trying to hustle and block for the returner. He didn't save it. No, I didn't save it. I went head hunting. forearm shiverer up high no James thrash I'm just kidding James Strass I'm just kidding that I was not headhunting I'm just that was no illegal crackback blocks so you're just running towards the other side of my bottom just trying to finish my ball which is completely understandable for a guy that played in the era where it was okay to do that that's right it's hard for him to change his mindset in the latter part of his career yeah well you change your mindset once you get fined that's a really really really settles in. Yeah. But I'm kind of taking it.

He's kind of a dirty player, dude. Yeah. Face masks? Like he's freaking. Playing hard. Nah. He's masking? Playing hard, whistle the whistle.

Rob. Getting fine twice. That's not that much. Yeah, I know. I'm just messing. What's your fastest 40 time? Ooh.

I mean, we all know how this goes, right? You're fast. Man, I one time ran when I was training and I ran this. Yeah, that's the one we ran. I ran, uh,

428. 428. Oh, woo. And I was training. And I was trying. I had a second on it. What was your fastest 100 meter? What was your high school time?

High school I ran 10-6-2. 10-6-2. 17. Now, how fast do you think you could have got that if you were training as a man? If you put the same amount of man hours that you put into your special teams? I don't like to talk about what I could have done and this, but when I ran in high school, I did not live weights. No, I didn't live any way. weights in high school. Oh, you could have been so much faster. I was 17 in my senior year.

So I think I could have, you know, I think I could have touched 10, 10, 3, 10 2. 10 3. I mean, I ran over 23 miles an hour with pads. With pads. Oh, my gosh. So fast. Yeah. Was that your last year as well? Oh, I wouldn't run no 23 last year. Okay. And then last 218, 21, 9. 218. 21, 8. 20. I was like 15, 6. It was bad. It was bad. Right. You got up and box up. Oh, no, he had it. He got up and go. Wait, last speed question.

Could you beat Randy Moss in a 200? Now, we had this debate. Oh, I know. We had this debate. We argued this. I mean, look, in my prime... In Randy's prime. I could have been 10 meters behind him in my prime.

Shadow Shea. I ain't going up against Randy Moss's speed, man. That's an all-time speed. All right. So he said, what was Randy's 40s? He ran like a 4-1. Didn't he? No, he ran for two.

I don't know if he ran, but he was fast. We used to mess with Randy. He floats. He does float. It's crazy. Because Randy was, what, like 32, 33? We were spry. And Chad O'Shea used to mess with Randy all the time.

Slate can beat you. Slay can beat you. Randy didn't like that. He didn't like that. He didn't like that. But that was fun. He'd be like, oh, Chaddieo. Hell no, Chaddieo.

All right. When was the last time you cried? Oh. Besides when you heard you were coming out of this episode. Last time I cried. You know what? I was at a funeral for Don Hasselbeck. Don Hassel.

A couple weeks ago. Funeral. Great man. Great mentor for my wife and I. And yeah. Great football family. Yeah, they really are. They're great people.

They're great be backs. Whenever I see Hasselback, just always a great mentor. Always. They're tremendous family. Really good on TV, too. Yeah, they are. Very knowledgeable. Sharp guys.

Sharp men. What's a first date with you look like? First date? First date? Yeah. I like to go somewhere quiet where we can actually, where we can talk. Walks and talks. Yeah.

You know, you go to a movie. You're not really talking, you know, dinner's a toss up. You know, maybe you just go hang out at the park or my wife and I, our first date was a cheesecake factory. Oh, beautiful. with Gary Guyton. Gary started willing it. He was third willing it. But, you know, it gave us an opportunity to talk.

I mean, you got to talk on a day. You got to get to know one another. Now, really important question to follow up on that. What cheesecake did you guys order? Oreo cheesecake. Of course. Come on. Oh, so good.

The best. Oreo. Quick story about Gary Guy and he was, when I was a rookie, he was the linebacker here for Patriots. And he made me feel like I couldn't play, you know, at this level in the NFL because he jammed me on my very first route. And I didn't get off the line of scrimmage for about five seconds. And then he finally backed up and the ball was already thrown.

I was one yard off the line of scrimmage when Tom threw that ball. So Gary, you made me feel really uncomfortable out there. I think it worked out all right. It did, it did. You need that. You need that. You need that. You need that.

You need that. It woke me up. That's right. I got a really focus off this line of scrimmage. That's right. In the light of where we're at, some would call that an NFL baptism. Some would. we got to wrap this up

Okay, a little longer than we. What you didn't do with your four kids? What's that? He said, we got to wrap it up. I said, what you didn't do with your four kids. It's getting a little out of control. It's fruitful multiple. Get them.

Yes, there we go. The Bible says. Yes. That's what. That's what. And that's why I'm asking you questions about it at the beginning. I shall do my job eventually. What's the last book we read?

Last book, the psychology of money. That's a lot to you. It talks about how our perspectives sometimes shift once we start making money and how greed really plays a huge factor in a lot of people experiencing financial ruin. And I think, you know, that is very true, especially in America. I got to read that. But what is it called? The psychology of money. Wow.

That's P-E-Y? Okay. Just making sure. Wow, Slate. Two more. I told you. I told you Slate's going to be a great gas, man. He's going to keep us, you know, straight edge.

Definitely. That's what he's doing. We're learning from him. That's what we do. We're learning a lot from him. And we already knew a lot about him. We knew everything about him, but now we're learning more. Yeah.

You got one more question and I'll go one more question. All right. All right. This is a good one. Okay. Because we really haven't talked about this category with you. Yeah. How did you prepare your standards?

Yeah. Who? Were you like an absolute dog animal out there? Just a wild one. I'm going rare. Now here's a here's an inside track for you guys. If you ask 10 black folks how they prepare their estate, seven of them are going to say, well done.

Okay. Are you in the three? And I came up a well done guy. And then I started hanging out with my brothers from the other. And I realized that medium. Maybe medium rare is the way to go. Slade. I'm a medium guy.

Medium guy. Medium guy. Yeah. Converted me. And then lastly, how do you eat that steak? Depends on who's around. By yourself. I had to go hands.

Ain't going on it. Fork knife. No, no. You're by yourself. I like that. I mean, when you get down to the bone, you got to go hand. You pick it up with your hand. You got to go hands when you eat the rest.

Right. And just me and my sons. On that bone. Me and my sons, we're going bone. Okay. My daughter and my wife are around. I'm using, I got to use the fork. You're respectful.

You're teaching the boys that you got to get all the meat. You got to get all. No meat left behind. That meat close to the bone is some of the best meat on that, on that state. Well, I think we got all our stuff. Let's one sec. Yeah, let's go review this. Ernie.

Shall we go to the booth? We're going to the booth. We're going to the booth. We're going to the booth. We got to look. Look this over. So you see, yeah, he thinks he's a dude's 3.1. I thought he was going to be.

Yeah, me too. So he's really not a whiz. For two, though, fast. Oh, that's freaky. That's freaky. Academic read about money. Oh. Acadette.

And he likes his steak medium. And he also eats it with the hands when no one's around. But preferably uses forking knife around. Okay. All right. You know what I got the same page? Yes. Yes, definitely.

Mm-hmm. on three what do we think he is one two three whiz yeah we we we think you're whiz as as we we kept on saying throughout this interview we kept on learning about new stuff i i i learned that greed is the route to people losing their money i i learned that if you're six foot five and a dog you could play special teams for 12 years i learned so much about osgood i mean yes i mean i was a little disappointed with your GPA but there's a lot of factors that are there's You were committed to Dartmouth because you were actually that smart. He got into Dartmouth.

You were doing so many other things as well, like being an all-star in the video game world and being a brainiac there. And that was helping you out on the field. And you knew that was your real master of your life was football. I'm going to tell my wife that later. Still at 3.1, you got by and you didn't even care about what was going on in the school world. You still got a 3.1, but you were a master with a 4.0 on the field and then video games that made a lot of money doing that to take care of your family.

There it is. You know what? And also, you have to be a wizard to be a teamer for 16 years in this fucking league. It's really like that's what people don't understand for you to constantly innovate yourself each year to bring value to a team where they're literally giving up a roster spot for you to just play special teams. That's unheard of. 16 years. Pro bowler 13 years. all pro 11 years, whatever.

He's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's like some Harry Potter shit, Slate. I know you're religious and you don't read that stuff, but it's like Harry Potter's magic. I'll take you. I appreciate you. Yeah, Slate, we appreciate you coming on the show being our first guest here on dudes on dudes. We weren't really sure how I was going to go, but I can tell you this. You took it, you know, to a whole other level with us, man. We felt really comfortable with you.

And not just on top of it that you're a whiz man, you're a dude's dude as well. You bring the team together. You're a dude. You're a dog. You're a stud. I appreciate it. On the field. But the main aspect of your life is that you are a wizard, man.

You are. That's why you are a whiz. Can I just say something? Yeah, go ahead. Let me just say one thing. I am very proud of it to you guys for how you've transitioned out of the game and how successful this next chapter is for both you guys. keep killing it. Thanks, man.

Thank you. I mean, I'm going to shed a single tear. Me too. I'll shed a tear. I feel like this is egg knock time back in 2010. You know something? Your stud is well now. That was studdly what you just said.

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