Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - The Patrick Chung Episode

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Patrick Chung is in studio! The 3x Super Bowl Champion and 11 year vet is with us from The DUNKIN' Nuthouse in Boston. We get into battling with Rob & Jules in practice, Oregon football, and a whole lot more. Patrick also picked a Dude he wanted to talk about: Hall of Famer, Brian Dawkins. We find out what kind of dude Patrick is using our patented Dude Questionnaire in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to the show, everyone. This is Dudes on Dudes. And today we're joined by our good friend, my Krypton Knight on the practice field and a good teammate of ours. Jamaican born, three-time Super Bowl champion, former Patriots team captain, and Oregon, Duck, who I used to face off against back in the day. We go way back. Our friend, our family member, Patrick Chung, ladies and gentlemen, how you doing today? I'm doing good, man.

How are you guys doing? Good to see you guys. Good to see you, bro. The dreads are banging. The dreads are banging. Yeah, come on, bring us through those dreads. I mean, you didn't have those wild playing, but. Yeah, he did.

He had them in the very beginning. There were many dreads at the time. Those are many dreads. I remember when they were little ones. Those are the real little tutsy rolls. Yeah, yeah. Can you like nine years? Let me see that Tutsi roll.

You said don't say any dumb shit. Was that dumb? That was kind of funny. I like that one. That's what we're talking about. That's pretty good. Before we get tired, though, let me tell you. I've kind of been slow a little bit today.

But whenever I'm slow, it's been like my whole career with you, Patrick Chung. When I see Patrick Chung walk in that room, when I see Patrick Chung line up against me, it doesn't matter how slow I'm feeling. It doesn't matter how beat up I am. You always brought the juices, you know, through my body. Like you're whatever juice you had, my body would juice up and I would be going against you. And I knew I had a juice up because you always brought it to the table. So I appreciate that.

I just wanted to say that. And it's still to this day, we haven't gone against each other in five years. And the moment I saw you, I said, oh shit, it's Patrick Cuck. Let me get on my A game because he's going to be bringing it against me. And he might jam me right when he sits down on the podcast show. I got to be ready at all the time. Yeah, we used to do that all the time, bro. It was always little gronk, big chung.

We always had $100 bets. Interception was two points. Touchdown was two points. In completion was one point. A catch was one point. And whoever had the most points at the end of the day got 100. Never paid each other. But we, you know, competing, like you said, like I just, ah, I just hated you sometimes

because he'd moths me. I'd be like, fuck you dick. Sorry. I can curse, right? You shithed you. And then I just, maybe we just go back and forth. So I feel you, man. You made me better, too, bro.

For real. I love what I made. I loved when I made a nice catcher. Like, that's right, bitch. That's right. And I would tell all the other defenders,

because it would get everyone going because it would get you mad, but then what would get you more mad is I would just walk up to like Dron or like McCord. I think that's my bitch today. And they're all like, oh. You know I hate that word. You know I hate that word too. What is it like trying to cover Gron?

Because you battled with him daily and me. We used to fight at least once again. Yeah, you guys always fought. We fought a lot. Oh, me and you? Yeah, we guys would really fight. You guys would really fight and we never actually really fought. We, no, we never have.

He would try to set the tone for the period for the defense aside. I would try to. And then, you know, we would never brother-in-law when we were going for the force. He knew I was coming in for him. Exactly. He knew I'd come in for him. And I knew that he knew I was coming in for him. So I had to get him hit.

Yeah. And in practice sometimes, you know, give me like a little, uh, and I'm like, Jules, stop it. You're like, it's all good, bubs. It's all the next player, I'm like, Jules, you would have stopped this shit right now. And we'd argue like brothers and then go in the locker room and just laugh about it. Yeah, and laugh about it. But going against this guy, not to blow your horn here, you know, that's not take it. No, that sounds very suspect. Come on. Yeah, it's fine. But you're got, you're going to blow my horn. Yeah, but the dude is big. He's tall. He's strong. He's strong.

He has his range and he can catch. Trust me, right, it's hard to defend that. When you know someone's quick, you adjust your, how you cover. Someone's just big and slow, you adjust your cover. Now you have someone that's big, athletic, can catch, and has the range. Then you have a problem. Or Arizona will be playing. I've got to tell you people this story.

Coach says, coach near Oregon, goes, hey, you got to cover wrong. I'm like, all right. Like, I didn't know he were at that time. Yeah, no one really. Yeah, I'm a scene. I'm like, all right, I'll cover him. This was my breakout game. Yeah, dead ass.

I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'll cover him. He's like, all right, well, no one else can cover him. I'm going to say, I'll cover him. So first series, get a pick six on Grom. I'm like, cake walk. You don't know why? Because I did a whip route. Yeah.

You don't have me do a whip route. Exactly. And you see. Hey, the rest of the game, I think it was like 18, 20 catches on me, bro. I was like, holy crap. Who is this guy? Who is this guy? But for your take, man, I was on fire that game.

There's games where I'm on fire and it's like no one can stop me. I don't care who it was. And you got me at my best, no lie, when we came to Oregon. And it was one of the craziest games because we were down 35 to 3. And then we came back and it was 42. We made it 45 to 42. And my brother was on the team as well at the fullback position. He had a couple catches up to seem as well.

Those play actions where he runs at the linebacker and then he just slips him and goes right up the middle. And Willie Tuatama hit him. for a couple. We came back 45, 42. We were driving fourth quarter with about... Willie T. Yeah, Willie T. baby, with about four minutes left. Fourth and three.

And a running back rolls out. You guys forgot about him. Willie T. lofted over to him. And it went right through his hands. And we all just got deflated right there on the spot. It would have been one of the craziest comebacks in college football history. It would have been. It would have been.

But you guys won. But let me tell you, man, that was my favorite place to play. It was like playing in Buffalo. You know, you feel like everyone's on top of you. It's a true football atmosphere. There's no like sweets or anything really. It's loud. It's a small stadium.

It's a bowl. They're on top of you. I walked away from that game. I was like, yeah, we lost, but that was one of the coolest games I've ever played in because of the atmosphere.

The comeback and just my brother balling out and myself as well that game. So we go way back. Way back. Our introduction to each other was in the PAC 12 or Pac 10 at the time. Don't ever say Pac- Well, yeah. Well, it's not even, it's not even existed anymore. Yeah, gone. Yeah. Fuck. The pack 10. I had 12 catches, 143 yards, one TD. And I'm pretty sure you got

drafted to the Patriots that year, second round. I was like, dang. He was the first pick. We were drafted. We were the same. Yeah, yeah. We were the same draft. There's a bunch of us. Me, you, Hoyer, Darius Butler, Ron Brace, Sebastian. Who we had another lineman. Rich Ormberger? Mm-hmm. Rich Ormberger. But they're, um, Busy. Bussy, yep, we had a good little class. We had a good class.

Myro Piro. Myro, Pyro. He was good. He was good. When he was out there on the film, Miro Piro. You got an Orrberger story? So many.

But all I know is the man was great at like 19 years old. Full head. But he was so funny. He was like one of those people that wasn't trying to be funny, but he was just like hilarious. Just look at him. He just had some slick comment to him. just boom.

1,000% Yeah, bro. But he was witty as hell. Can you settle this for us? I keep on telling people that coach was super biased and super favorable to the defensive side.

He's a defensive coach. So he knows. I mean, he's harder. He's harder on the defense. Hey, Patrick, we're playing like the Tennessee Titans with Derek Henry. Is this a run team or a past team?

Run team, coach. All right, grunk. How about what coverage did the offensive coordinator do when he was an offensive assistant at UOP? That's fair. That's fair. He won that one. You know what the fuck? That's how the question you should be.

It doesn't matter to cover. Just throw me the ball. And then I would say something like that. That's fair, bro. You're right. He hits you with that. You're like, you wake up in the morning like, God damn. You're asking me this right now at like 7.30.

Like, come on, coach. Come on, coach. My body still hurts. from the last game. I know. I can't think. You can't. When your body's hurting like that,

you can't think. You ask you a question on the spot. You're like, oh, give you brex this, puts in a dark room or ask me these questions right now. I want to go to sleep. You remember the rookie dinner?

Yes. Why would you remember the rookie dinner? Because I had to pay the most of it. One, and two, Tom comes in. We're at... Capital Grill. Bro, Tom comes in. I want to say you ordered

like three bottles of wine. They were like 700 bucks a piece of some crazy thing like that. I think he got like a $15,000, like a $10,000. Came in and just, I think he just took a sip or two and then just left. And me and there, I remember this, me and Darius Butler were sitting down. Someone ordered Louis 13. Both second rounders, so they had to pay the most. We had to pay the most.

And they left. And I remember looking at Darius and I'm like, fuck it. My name is what just get drunk. And we just drank everything, like, whatever. We had no cars. Everyone was driving. So it was like. But you got really fuss with that dinner.

Because you were first pick in the second round, so it's not, you had to pay for it. I want to say I paid 25 grand. But you weren't even a first rounder. That first rounder should have been paying that. Well, back then, yeah. But it was the first pick. Yeah, I'm the first pick. That's messed up though.

Yeah, I know. What did you pay? I paid like three grand. Mm-hmm. He didn't pay no fucking three grand. Yeah. 1,000 percent. I had to pay at least three grand.

How much was the dinner total? My signing bonus was 40 grand. I gave you literally like, like one-twentieth of my fucking my money. Well, thanks for the percentage. I appreciate it. Jesus. I remember we did ours when I was a rookie McCordy held.

I couldn't even make it. I was pissed off. And then I had to send McCordy a check to a dinner that I didn't even make. Like I had family in town and they like, they made it like, oh, rookie dinner like two days before. I was like, I already have something scheduled that day. So I couldn't even make it. I sent him since I was the second guy drafted.

I was like $8,000 I had to send over to McCordy. I got away kind of, you know, with an easy pass. Yeah, I'm doing fine. I had no complaints. No complaints. I was like, all right. McCordy had to pay like, what? I was like, oh, okay, $8,000.

Oh, bro, yeah. I'll pay it a lot of money. Now, Chung, what's the biggest thing you took from Coach Belichick as a defensive coach? Or as a coach in general? Priorities. Priorities. I would say that. Like, you have to put things that are important first.

Because there's going to be distractions. There's going to be girls. to be, you know, like, you know, my life, the court and all these things. There's going to be distractions and all those things, but you got to put certain priorities first, football or off the field, because you know I love Bill. We've talked about things off the field that have helped me as a man as far as putting priorities first and, you know, not dealing with all the nonsense. You know, that's what I learned most. He's teaching us to be good football players, professionals, have accountability, and all those things. But at the same time, he's, you

He does teach us how to be men outside of football if you can carry those things over when you leave the building. So that's what I got from him the most. And he's people think he's an asshole, which he was an asshole. But he's also a great asshole. Yeah, he's a great person. You learn so much from. You learn so much from him. All you got to do is listen.

I think he's honest. Yeah, he's very honest. And people don't like honesty nowadays. People don't like honest stuff. I would say, I would say the point where he just crossed the line was like when he was an asshole for like an unnecessary thing. thing like all right veterans you have curfew and you got to stay in the hotel and you're like yo i live like i live closer to this stadium and i'm like so proven like can i just stay at home nope and it's like you're like okay that's just unnecessary you love that like you love all the other

moments of him being actual coach being like the asshole coach because you learn so much from it it was just when he just took it up and that's for for no reason you're like what the fuck that is prove a point that yeah prove a point like when you cuss tom brady out that day i was like it's just Tom fucking Brady You know but You know You gotta make an example So the practice squad guys are like

Hey he doesn't care He just wants to win You know He wants to bring the best out of you What was that Brady cuss out? Oh he was just like a practice Like the guy's wide open Yeah

I can't even find You know how he talks Yeah he can't even find The opening guy And blah blah blah Yeah that was it And that was like I'm like

You did a rookie skit Where you did Bill with us right Oh yeah Let them have it I remember you. Because I think I was like B-Flow or something. Or because someone was Scotty O. Someone was B-Flow.

Ryan Allen. Well, that wasn't our class. Oh, talking about when we were doing skits. Oh, okay. And then,

then Ormberger made fun of a Matt Light's Soby commercial where he was in like a fucking all-white. I don't remember that. I don't know that one. I know. Jules has a pretty good memory with all this. Somewhat. Somewhat.

Somewhat. No, you really do. Yeah. But the coach is like. it we make fun of them. Like undercover, they like it. Secretly.

They like it. It bonds everyone together. For real. Yeah. And everyone's fair game. Everyone's fair game. Well, you got to be smart when you're taking the shots at coaches. You got to make sure you got the right person doing it.

Exactly. Rookie doing it. You're up at four in the morning writing skits. Yeah. If you can convince a rookie to do it, you're fucking him over. And you love it even more. And all the other rookies are going to blame him too. You got to take us through the DB room.

What was it like with the McCordy's, all the DBs that you played with, harm? Like, explain to us who was the asshole, the jokester, the serious guy, this, whatever. Just go through and give us the DB room. First of all, we get a smart room because obviously, you know, Dev, Jason, Duran, everybody, Jay Jones, everybody. Jay Jones. So the jokester, Devin. Devin. I was going to say he's an asshole

but go ahead Yeah, yeah, no What type of jokes? Joky asshole, huh? All right. Asshole jokes. It's a real subliminal, like real like low key

just like taking a jab but kind of funny. He's definitely a jab guy. Yeah. Jay Jones was quiet. Quiet. He's quiet. Jay Jones is quiet.

Rarely talks, but he knows what he's talking about talks because the corner's over here and safety's over here but we're still talking. Out there like preparing for his flight test and shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And then, um, Jason was quiet too, but he was like a more leader kind of saying things, but he was like some slick ass shit too because obviously they're twins. But Devin was just, you couldn't stop him sometimes, couldn't stop him. Devin Belichick. Yeah, and then Steve's behind us. Steve's behind us, so that's pretty much Belichick behind me.

And I'm me, you know me, I'm always like just, I can turn it on, but most times I'm like, I just want to go to sleep. So I'd just be sitting here because I know all the defense. I know the linebackers are doing. I know what the defense are doing. I know what everyone's doing, corners are doing. And I'm just like, hey, Pat, what's this coverage? I'm like, sorry, what's this coverage?

I'm like, that's probably how it was in the meeting room too, fucking shit. I'm like, hey, one rat juggle. Yeah, right. I said, cool. So I was like the chill one that knew everything. No, no, for real. You were like that. Yo, 10 minutes before practice.

And he was like one of the hardest conditioners too. 10 minutes before practice. I'm like, I'm looking at Chung. I'm like, oh, yeah, he ain't covering me today. This dude's sleeping in his locker right now. literally we get up to the line of scrimmage and you're still like kind of like daisy and like sleepy and all of a sudden boom i'm like you look to cut it off the lines i'm like what the fuck dude i just saw you sleep yeah i just saw you sleep you just come out of nowhere you can turn it up at

any time you're you weren't fooling me with those fucking smoke screens that's why i just came in hard every single time every time every time you'd come and hit me one of these and i'm like where the fuck is he about to go right now I'm like, God damn it, you just woke me. It's one-on-ones too. Hey, first of all, let's talk about one-on-ones. What? That is a tackling drill for the defense.

Quarterback just sits back there and go like this. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I mean, it's true. It's, I mean, it's a, you should win every time as a receiver on one-on-one. Every time. I mean, 90% of the time. Every time. If I'm here and the ball's here and you catch it, that's really just the release.

It's for the release. Or top of the route, too. And the top of the route. Yeah, that's it. But if you win the release, that's how you had to beat Patrick Chung. You had to beat him at the release because all he was going to try to do is be physical with you and then competitive. And then you could get him with the stems. But if you got past him on the release, which was a tough task because, like Rob said, he was explosive, he was patient and he would fucking hit you.

You know, he wasn't, he was never scared. Like, it's always harder for a safety to cover a receiver. Okay. It was hard for, that's like, if you saw a safety on you, you're like, all right, this is, easy. But with Chung, you had to like really bring your game because he was going to, even if he knew he was going to lose, he was going to do something to fucking annoy the fuck out of you. And it was always going to be something contested. And the quarterback's going to go like this, shit. Yeah. And then go somewhere else. But you help me with that. You and Welker, because

yeah, it was me and you our rookie year. They put your receiver after practice. I didn't know a play receiver. This guy's fucking jamming me on my shit. And I'm like, it was just me and him. Yeah. And one-on-one's after practice. just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, over and over and over. So I learned to cover receivers. Like, they put me on T.Y. Hilton one day. I'm like, hey, I'll have help over the top. I'm like, I'm going to let this man have it at the line.

Because I know I have a little help over the top. Smart football player. Yeah, so it's like boom, boom, boom, boom. And then, so now I learned quickness from you and Welker, and you made me better. You guys both made me. What about my quickness? Yeah.

Yeah, but that's why I was able to help it do the best I can against you on the line because I went against him for so long. Then I went against Walker for so long. So I learned the corner way of doing things. But then now you got this big ass dude. I still have the corner things, but I can't be a corner because you can just move. You just put your hand on me and move. So I got to be like now I'm like in with hybrid.

And I got to be like corner safety type person. So you guys really made my career, honestly, between YouTube and Bill and Scotio. Scottio. I love Scottio. Special teams coordinator. This is National Football League. You will get baptized. What was your favorite on-field moment in your career?

On the field? Mm-hmm. Like winning in a Super Bowl, jamming Julian, fighting Julian. Never jamming me. Jamming me at the line. On the field? That's- Making Bill proud. Bro, we've had so many moments, bro.

How am I going to answer that? Is there one that stands out? The parade. The first thing that you remember. Yeah. I would say the first parade. The first parade. That's kind of my mouth got that pick.

And like we're, it was like we were low. and then all of a sudden it was what the hell just happened and then the parade people throwing nips at us thank you boom thank you beer thank you

left hand right hand boom thank you it was just my first experience first time yeah like that was the best party that was fun bro party to look too hard I've ever been involved in it was that parade oh my god it was the best it was like you party with a million people

and not one person can get to you because you're on the duck boat, just chilling up high. Oh, man, the nips, though, were great. Bro, they were coming hot, too, bro. You had a hot on a swivel. Oh, yeah. You had to get drilled. Yeah, you might.

If you did, you didn't even give a shit either. Yeah, just boom. Just take another nip to the face. Yeah, right. Not myself. Oh, those are good times. Those are great times. Now, you went to Oregon.

You talked about playing against Rob in the Pact 10. I always remember when you first got to the Pats. You always had the most exclusive Nike shit. because you went to Oregon. I was so like jelly, peanut butter and jelly, because I went to Kent State. We were a new balance team and shit. And can you explain the relationship

of being an Oregon duck and having swaggy, Nike shit all the time and like what it's like being a duck having 47 different uniforms for like only three games? It spoiled us. I'll say that. We call him Uncle Phil.

Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince? No, yeah, yeah, both. Yeah, both. We call Uncle Phil. I mean, we'd have a jersey. bro. The captains before on Fridays, we'd pick, you want these bottoms, these tops, these helmets. So it was kind of, it spoiled us, bro, honestly, bro. It was the most Nike thing you ever got.

Well, you know how much Nike stuff? I have a Nike tattoo on my, how many Nike things I've gotten, bro. Yeah. And, you know, but... How many shoes did you have in college? Not a lot, bro. But, you know, I wear the same thing. I wear vans and the same shit every day. But I have a bunch of Nike shoes. You know me, bro. Just give me a grill and some meat. and I'm fine.

All right. And call today. Yeah. Well, I had a lot of shoes that still send me shoes and a very big advantage for us. Okay. This will answer the question we're looking for. So when we would go up to the equipment, you know, manager and be like,

yo, I need a shirt. Like they were always so stint. Oh, I just gave you one like three days ago. That's at the University of Arizona. We don't have Uncle Phil. You know, handing us out clothing just like that. When you guys ask for something, you know, from the equipment, you know, staff at Oregon, Was it even a question about giving it to you or were they just handing it right over?

Depending who you are, I would say 85% of the players going there. Yes, you'll get it. Yep. I want this color. Walk on. I want this color. I want this color. I want this.

Yeah. Okay. And walk on. Yeah. Favorite combo for the uniforms? All black. All black. All black.

It was fly. Every time. You guys look so good. All black every time. Everyone was jealous. The diamond. Everyone looked to you guys, you know, as the uniform kings. Not the highlight.

That's a selling point. Yeah. What about the highlighters? Those are kind of neon-y. The all-y-yellow ones? Yeah, those are nice, too. I like the all-black, night time, all-black, foggy in Oregon. People smoking weed because there's all hippies out there.

Yeah. I remember, I could smell that shit on the, we're in the huddle one time. Eugene. Eugene. Can I say this? Can I say this? Yeah, yeah. We're in the huddle one time.

You know Walter Thurman. Yeah. So we're in the huddle one time. And this is Oregon now. Hippies everywhere. And you can just smell weed everywhere. We're in the huddle. And Walt goes, you smell that?

Yeah. I meant we're on the field. If you smell that, I'm like, smells like that good. Smells like that good. Who was it? You're in the huddle? No, it was a student section.

It was a student section. Your student section was lit when we were playing there. Yeah. Mount Way. Yeah, you're right. Last one, before we move into, who's the Mount Rushmore of Oregon Ducks in the history? Are we talking about going on?

and having success in the NFL as well or just all the success in college. I would say, whatever you think the Mount Rushmore, we don't. From what I've seen and played with. Oregon Ducks. Mount Rushmore.

What I've seen and play with, not what. And the law wants me to say. Whatever you think. Hello. T'nata. Hello. Obviously.

Oh, my gosh. For a guy, he went to Oregon. Remember I blocked him and I was screaming. I was jumping up and down like, like, can I blocked? Nah, it was in the UFC championship game. I blocked him.

I blocked them. Well, what was he even doing lining up against me? The guy was 360 power. I was shitting my pants. Yeah, keep going. Alodinada. There's so many good players. There's so many good players.

That's hard, man. That's a tough question. I'm going to say this. Marcus Marriota was almost unstoppable in Oregon. Just for Oregon. Heisman, right? Yeah, we're not talking about anything. I'm talking about Oregon, right?

Marcus Marriota had a really good game last year when he filled in for panic or, or, uh, uh, uh, For Washington. Jonathan Stewart. Oh, running back. Jonathan Stewart. What about Blunt? Blumpy up there? Ligarice up there.

Kenyon Barner is up there. For Oregon, dude has all the records. He's in all of him already. I play with Barner in Tampa for a year. Yeah, he was there for like two years. Yeah, yeah. Last one. I'm trying to think, I mean, Lageret's up there, Kenyons up there.

Like, even like Lyman, like Max Unger's. up there too. Like, he was good too. Yeah, a great career in the NFL. Yes, what I'm saying. I can't pick the four. But those are my- really good linemen at Oregon.

Yeah, those are my top three, bro. I like you. I like you. Good, yeah. Okay. Jonathan Stewart, though, was... The dude was... Did you play with him?

Yeah. Was he a little bit before? 5-10, 235, ran 4-3-4, benched, squatted, and power clean more than all our linemen and jumped 40 in.

inches and he was just unbelievable wow it was unbelievable worked out did uh they had like a power lifting thing at oregon went there won that it was like ridiculous bro wow you got to watch you love you love to appreciate those guys because a lot of time those guys don't transfer to the football field at all they're just so powerful in the weight room and you know they can run so fast but like they try to catch a football or try to run a route or run with the ball and you're like what the heck like that dude don't look like a football player. Like that's impressive to have those type of stats in the weight room and be that fast, quick and strong and then transfer it to the football field.

And that's what makes a lethal, lethal football player, especially at the running back position. Correct, correct. Mm-hmm. All right. All right. So now it's the Duncan donut dude. I can't stand to you guys. We're going to figure out if you're jelly, if you're cream cheese topping, if you're powdered

donut, if your chocolate glaze, Boston cream, a French curler. But this is the. episode where we determine what type of donut you are. So what kind of donut is Patrick Chung? That's the question here. Jules, come on, kick it off. Let you guys answer first.

Let you guys answer first. But if I'm just take a look. This is the first time I'm looking at all these donuts and looking at you. Patrick. I'm trying to figure it out. Patrick is like almost. I can't believe. I think he's like a sprinkled chocolate glazed.

This is fun. This is fun. This is fun. This is fun. This is fun with you right off. Sprinkle chocolate. Yeah, come on. Well, he's Jamaican, so multicultural, you know.

You got the white cake for his mother's side or his dad. You got the chocolate for his mom who just so happens to be like a world famous singer. You got a little sprinkle bedazzle because it's like, it's like when you line up against him in one-on-ones, you just know there's going to be a flash of something. And that's what the sprinkles represent. I think you're like a chocolate glazed cake sprinkle. Cake-cake. This guy. like this guy.

What do you think, Rob? Maybe the French coroller because like the French curler is kind of like a sleepy donut and you're always sleeping in meetings you're sleeping out at the practice field at first but then all of a sudden you have a taste of that French coroller and you're like,

damn, that's a good donut that wakes you right up and then all of a sudden you get woken up in the meeting and you would know the answer. So that's kind of like how I'm translating that donut. What do you think you are, Chung? I don't know. I kind of like those answers, but I just like the,

I think I'm just a regular glaze, bro. You're not regular glaze. Hey, I'm a sweet guy, real plain, but still, I taste good. And that is the Duncan dude's Duncan program by Duncan. All right, let's get into Patrick's guy. All right. We're just going to leave it right there. Yeah, you taste good.

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he was. And today that you're our guests, you know, and we're thankful for it. You picked who we're going to be talking about and we do an AI synopsis about the guy. So I'm going to hit it off with the AI synopsis. Here we go. Oh, yeah.

Standing at six feet and weighing 209 pounds, this hard-hitting safety was selected 61st overall in the second round of the 1996 NFL draft. From Jacksonville, Florida, he started three seasons at Clemson University. Over a dominant 16-season NFL career, he was a first team all-pro selection four times and is a member of the 2018 Pro Football Hall of Fame class. Also, he is the only player in NFL history to record a sack, interception, Fumble recovery and touchdown reception and a single game. Ladies and gentlemen, let's get on Brian Dawkins. Brian Dawkins. What is the first thing that you think of when you hear of the name, Brian Dawkins,

and why did you pick Brian Dawkins, Patrick Chung? Football player. Football player. He can cover. He can tackle. He's stuff. He can play a linebacker. He can play in the slot.

He can. But at the same time, He's very reserved and peaceful. You know, I don't like to talk too much. Rastaman. Yeah, I don't like to talk too much. Like you fight Chung, but he was like, pick you up after he whipped your ass. Yeah, and that's pretty much what I'm with him.

So pretty much the same size, almost the same pick, just kind of everything, you know. Like he's just, he can blitz, he can tackle, he can hit linemen, put him down, put tight ends down. And, you know, just a very reserved person that can tap into his. is Wolverine. And, you know, that's why I kind of describe myself like him, just kind of a, just football player. I wasn't the fastest, the quickest or anything. It's just, I just loved football.

I just played hard. You told me I can't do this shit. I'm going to show you I can do this shit. And if I can't do it, at least I'm going to show you that I can. There's no giving up. So I didn't, there's no giving up with Brian Dawkins. You ever meet him? I met him one time.

I was on a visit in Denver. And he was at the table. is eating his lunch. And I sat and I talked to him and we talked for a little bit. And he was the same thing I'm saying. Very calm, very reserved and very like educated, intellectual and talking to him about how,

you know, how football should be outside of the field. But then sometimes I watch football. I'm like, this guy is trying to kill people. Like who is this person? Like you said, I'm sleeping and I just wake up.

And then I just want to go kill somebody. You got that hits. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Active. Yeah, so that's why I would describe myself like that. You know, just kind of, yeah, he had a good game. Like, that's what boosted my career is that one game in Miami.

Yeah. Same thing that happened to him. What, you explained that? Oh, when I had two block field goals, a block field goal, block punt, pick six in one game. And I don't know how many tackles were. Against Miami on the road. On the road. That's what people were like, who is this guy?

And that was my rookie year. And I remember that. That is your rookie year. I remember as well, Coach Belichick called us all out and why he took us and why everyone else skipped on us. You remember that? No. Yeah, it was the team meeting right before.

He was like, I remember he gron. He went by, I remember coming me. Yeah, they didn't want you. You had a visit to Miami. They passed on you. We grabbed you. I wanted you here. And he went on about every single starter on our team and explained why he wanted him, why he

wanted you, why you're here. and why everyone else passed on you and like it made you feel good I remember that it was right before that game I just seen he's done that multiple times he's done a few and that was when Miami was pretty good this that's when they had the Ronnie Brown year

two years before they were like Chad Henney Brandon Marshall yeah Brandon Marshall they were a good football team who was that slot receiver had the dress Javon Best Devon Best

Yep they had a good team that year Did you watch a lot of Brian Dawkins highlights growing up? I did, actually. Yeah? Yeah, I did. That's the one person I did. And so my mom always is messing me because her last name is George, Sophia George. So when I was growing up, my favorite player was Eddie George on the Oilers.

And she was always telling me, that's your uncle. Because, you know, my family is just a total clown. I'm a total smart ass. So for the whole time, like, this is my favorite player. Favorite player is like, that's not your uncle, bro. I'm like, what? I've been watching this man forever. Right?

So my whole time growing up, I was an oily fan. Yeah. I was an oilie fan, Eddie George fan, and then switch to Brian Dawkins, just the way he carries himself. And, like, you know, I just liked him. I liked him a lot. He's one of the hardest hitters.

I got lit up in 2009 when we went out and played Denver. Remember that? He's one of, he hit me so hard. I saw like a star for two weeks. And, like, he, like, was so polite about it, too, when he hit me. Like, he lifted me up. Like, it's kind of like I was saying with you, like, he asked if I was all right.

He's like, you need to play a young fellow or something like that. Like he was just like, it's like you said, in between like some of these guys, like the Brian Dawkins, the Troy Palomalus, who do prayers every four, every play. When they are in play, they're not like prayer type guys. They're like just straight want to kill you guys. But also pray that you don't get hurt when they hit you hard. you know yes yes those were the scariest guys to go over us and like it was kind of like a trick that they would use it was a tactic because they would absolutely level you and they'd be like hey oh my gosh

I'm so sorry because what usually when you get leveled like that you freaking get all amped up then be in the adrenaline starts flowing because you got to protect yourself and you're like I'm gonna get that bastard back yep but he gets up and he comes you oh my gosh I'm so sorry and you walk away you're like oh my gosh you was so sorry I don't want to hit him back you're so right it's so true next time he fucking like you up again. And I'll let you up again. And I've done that so many times. And it's okay. It was an accident again. And I'm like this, I wish you just talked shit to me. Like, so I can go after him and get pissed off. But, man, bro, when you're talking about crack blocks, yeah, there's

sometimes receivers come in, I'll grab them. And, you know, receivers don't like get rolled up. Yeah. I don't want to see him what he hurt. Yeah. So I'll, like, grab him. I'll pull them towards him. Hey, hey, hey, watch your leg. Because the play's going to be over. Yeah. Oh, thanks you, man. And the next time, I'm like, ha ha, sco, shit, shit, so, boom. Eat this, bro. And now it's like, hey, we're just friends at last play. Like, no, we're not friends anymore.

I just don't want you to get hurt. Call it a day. So you're right, bro. It's a total mind fuck. It really is. Yeah, totally. Where does he get his nickname, the Weapon X? It's Wolverine, I think, right?

Was it Wolverine? Yeah, he has Wolverine's action figures in his locker room. That's what it is. Yeah. Where's that rank among cool-ass nicknames? That's up there. Weapon X. Weapon X.

That might be the best one. That's had separate Weapon X locker. Wait, nameplate and all. When I hit the field, I'm not Brian Dawkins. I'm Weapon X. Inscribed on his 2017 Super Bowl ring instead of his name. This guy, bro, his, the Weapon X locker was to the right of his locker. I remember.

He just sits right here and he had his own locker. Bipolar. Two different personalities. Jekyll and Hyde right there? That's crazy. That's lethal. That's lethal. That is lethal.

That is. So we're talking about BD, obviously. There's plenty of other hard hitting safeties in the game. Let's get your ranking of the top, you know, three or five safeties that you would say are the hardest hitters in the game. Mount Rushmore of hardest hitting safety. We're not talking about the best players. We're just talking about a wide receiver lines up out wide and he's going to run a shitty route because he knows he doesn't want to run towards that safety. and he doesn't want the ball because he's going to get absolutely smacked.

I'm going to go with one right off the beginning because he went to the University of Arizona. I know him well. Chuck Cecil. He was an absolute menace out on the field. Really? Chuck Cecil? I don't know that is. You don't know Chuck Cecil?

Oh my gosh. One of the hardest hitting safeties in the game. They started making the rules change because of him. Really? Yeah. He was back there. He was, I don't know Zach years that he played.

But I still, he's coaches at the University of Arizona now. And I meet him. I mean, when I dab him up, I'm like, bro, like, what the fuck, dude? Like, guy is a brick wall. Really? Holy shit. I'm like, I would never want to get hit by you.

And now I understood why those players all got knocked out. And whenever he level him, yeah, he probably missed plenty of times because you're just running full speed. Oh, yeah, but yeah. Once he hits you, that's it. Game over. So who's your Mount Rush for? That dude, Landry, they used to play.

Big dude from Washington, number 30. Yeah, he's going to knock me out of the Jets. Yes, so sorry for that, Julian, but he'll let you have it. Dude, his arms were bigger than my thighs. Yes, the dude's a savage, bro. He got popped a couple times. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. If you know what you mean. He got a couple eight games as bad friends. But, hey, you freaking huge. He made the wood. Yeah, he did. I'm trying to think, I know he don't. So, damn, I named one you don't like that Landry knocked you out.

I don't, I don't dislike. He hits hard. It's hard. It's fine. No, you respect it. I think there's a guy that he'd harder. T.J. is a hard hitter too, and that kind of hurts you a little bit. So I got to say that.

Fuck me up. I know. Fuck me up. I know. T.J. Ward. He hurt my. TJ Ward. He'll miss or he was fearless.

TJ Ward. The common denominator about all these safeties, they were so fearless. They didn't give all that's what I'm saying. F about their body. You had to be like that. Sean Taylor. Sean Taylor. Oh, remember when he laid out the punter?

He is in the Pro Bowl? Oh my God. The punter, because I was from Buffalo. And obviously Buffalo sucked for so many years. The punter was the most favorite player on the roster of the Buffalo Bills. He goes to freaking the Pro Bowl. Mormon was his name? Morton.

Morton. I forgot. Brian Mormon. It was on the sideline, right? Yeah, it was on the sideline. Brian Mormon. And he got absolutely leveled by Sean Taylor. It was the biggest hit I've ever seen in Pro Bowl history.

He got up like a man, though. He did. And he patted Sean Taylor on the back after it was like, bro. They'd be fighting. What the heck? Last guy. All right. Keep it going.

Isn't it Devin McCordy? I need to try laughing at that one. Deb didn't hit. That's, he covered. He covered. You know what, though? You know what I'm going to say this? Devin would tackle in the open field.

You would tackle it. You know what I say this? And people are going to be like, you're stupid. But if he caught you, it hurt. A heady bow. He hetty bow? You're right, dude. If people don't know that,

Aheadboy, if he caught you, that's gonna hurt a little bit. Yeah. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta get some highlights of Ronnie Lott over there. Oh, yeah. Atwater's, I ain't, geez. But we'll take your list, Chau.

The Bay Area. We'll take your list. We'll take your list. What about Earl Thomas? Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas could hit you. Cam Chancellor could have. Oh, shit.

You know what? Cam Chancellor. I'm sorry about that. I forgot about that, man. He knocked me out too. Hey, yeah. You got me. He knocked me out.

You just put a list out there that Julian and I got knocked out by. Ed Reed would be in there too. That was your whole entire list. Hey, put him up there, bro. I'm sorry. I forgot that, man. So let's get back to Brian Dawkins. First and onlys.

He's one of the first and only to be in the 2020-20 club with 20 sacks, 20 interceptions, 24s fumbles. Dang. The only person alongside to him, My new teammate, Charles Woodson, shout out, Charles. You're co-worker. My co-worker, Charles Woodson, baby. Only players with 35 interceptions, 35 force fumbles.

This guy is elite. He's got elite stats. Hall of Famer. Became a Hall of Famer with Randy Moss in the 2018 Hall of Fame class. It was him, Randy, Erlacker, Ray Lewis, T.O. First Clemson player inducted into the Hall of Fame. Look at that Hall of Fame class. Randy Moss.

Erlack or T.O. Ray Lewis. T.O. and Brian Dawkins. That is a fucking class. That's crazy. That's a Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame class right there. Big time.

It really is. All five of those names are headliners. Headliners. And then the Eagles, who you played for, retired his number 20 jersey in 2012. Did he have like a presence in the Eagles locker room when you were there? No, he was gone. Gone.

It was gone. But was he talked about? Oh, yeah, he's everywhere. Yeah, he is, he is the Eagles, pretty much. Yeah. Him and Donovan Nab and Brian Dawkins. They were the Eagles. He still flies out and does the shit like the pregame.

Yeah. All right, let's determine what kind of dude Brian Dawkins is. There's five categories. There's a stud. Someone's who had the pedigree. He's been the guy his whole life. You look at him, you're like, that's the fucking stud. A freak, someone who is not human.

Randy Moss, for example. You look at him, he's too tall, too fast, and he could get out of brakes and he jumps too high. Dog is someone who's relentless, motivated, physically and mentally tough, probably went a different road, but got to the area, got to the top. A Wiz is someone who is innovative. He's got an intellect, revolutionary, clutch, did something crazy. And then the dude's the guy who's the glue guy in the locker room, always has the positive attitude, always calm, cool, and collected. I can only pick one? he's going to have multiple things, but we have to stamp him as one.

You can talk about how he represents a couple of the categories, but what mainly represents Brian Dawkins? My first initial was dog. What round was he drafted? Second. He's relentless, very motivated because he's deep into like Christian and it's very motivated to motivate himself and, you know, self. growth and physical and mentally tough like dog but then I look at like always always positive

yeah the locker room guys calm cool and collected I mean this is a football like it's this it could be all of them honestly he fits all five categories and that's why he's all and that's why he's a hall of fame guy fits all five categories basically but and he's also like a stud because he always was the standard. Like Brian Dawkins from day one was always a professional. Yeah. He was a guy, you know what I mean?

That's a tough question, man. I mean, he has an alter ego. If you have an alter ego, you're kind of not like, like, like, dude's dude.

Like, are you? Yeah, he's. Because like, you know. Yeah, two different people. Yeah. Like, someone walks up to you, like, yeah, like talk to my alter ego.

I think he's either a stud or dog person. That's what else? What about a freak though? Jules, you just took the fucking words out of my mouth. I'm like, just mixed stud and dog together. What about I was thinking? Freak, though. The guy looks freaky, strong as a half. He's freaky strong, too, but like he's not, he was five, what is he, six foot?

You know, he's not one of these. So he was like, like, six. Four. Because he was like six four. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He looked like out of this world.

Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, okay. What are you leaning on? Chung. I'm going to lean on dog, but stud and dogger would be like one A1B. That's what I would say. So.

Because he's smart. He's athletic. He's well-rounded, but he's also motivating. He's physically and mentally, mentally tough. Like, not everyone can love a dog on the team. Like, people, some guys, like, see a dog and they're like, man, fuck him. But that dude is, you know, like, did anyone ever say that to, I think his own team, like, he was probably, I think he's the stud. You look at Brian Dawkins, and that's like the pedigree of, this is how you want your fucking safety to be.

Yes. He's a vocal when he has to be. He's a pro. He's. He's always done the right thing. You know what you? He can do whatever you ask him to do on the defensive side of the ball. Yep.

Yep. And people watch and pay attention to it. He can blitz. He can force a fumble. He can have an interception when the ball's thrown to him. He can cover in zone. He can cover in man. I mean, you got to be an absolute, you know, stud.

I think what Julian is saying is the younger people would rather a stud. So they look at him like, I'm going to do exactly what this man is doing. a dog is like you can have the dog in you but still be an idiot yeah yeah a stud is like i want to be like him and so yeah so i get what you're saying and studs get replicated and even you chung you wanted to replicate your game exactly after after brym yeah so yeah all right one two three stud with dog tendencies thank you well done well let's get into the chillest dude of the week presented by Coors Light, our favorite beer. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door.

Visit coreslight.com slash dudes. And remember, celebrate responsibly. Let's crack a beer. Let's have a couple of sips. Enjoy it, Chung. It's been a while, man. A pleasure that you know, you're hanging out with us here at the Nut House Factory.

And the chillest dude of the week is Pete Chung, baby. Pete Chung. Now, we're going to determine what kind of dude you are through a series of questions that we have patented. We literally had them patented. No one else is allowed to ask you these questions. In this specific order, actually. Yes.

Really? Yeah, so here, Robbie. No, this is here. They're quick hitters. This is where it's fun. I'm just talking shit. With your personality, you're going to love these questions as well. This doesn't really have anything to do with football.

Just silly, random silly questions about life, basically. Yeah, that's all good, bro. Yeah. And I feel like you fit this mold perfectly. You're always down for a good time. And that's why we were so great, you know, at our battles. We're always down. We're always down.

I don't want to go to practice right now. I'm like, nope. No, I don't. Quick hitters, quick hitters. Quick, are we going fast? Oh, shit. Jules, would you like to go first? Yeah, I'll start it off.

Since you always fought, John. I can't stand, you guys. Easy guy. I think I already know this one. A couple fights. A couple fights. I think I know this one, but did you wear flip-flops in the shower? Yes.

Really? See, that's gross, bro. That's surprising. You know how many people wash? I agree. In dirt? That's gross. No, no, it's definitely gross if you don't wear flip flops.

Yeah, but you don't wear flip flops? I started to. After I got some, what I was called? Athlete's foot? No, no. Fungus? No, oh, yeah, yeah, basically. Fungis, which turned into a, what is it?

It's like a little ball, bottom of your foot. That's disgusting, but let's just go on an accent. A wart. Oh, a wart. Yeah. It was put a bond on my foot. A planters war? Yeah.

Those are the worst. They hurt, too. Yep. Oh, Rob. Jesus Christ. Fliplops in the showers. Cut that out. Please cut that out of the shower.

Yeah, cut that one out. He wears flip flops. I wear flip flops. I don't care. You don't have to cut it up. All right. What sports did you play in high school? Track football.

Track football. Dang. All right. Who's the most famous person in your phone? That's not Tom Brady. He never had Tom Brady's phone number anyways. Your mom? My mom?

She's famous. I thought you said your mom to Julian. I was like, oh, you're kidding. I'm going to your mom. My mom. My friends are just in Jamaica and they're like, I know, like, singing her songs and everything. What song? What's her favorite?

What's her best song? Girlie, girly. Girlie. But she had a bunch of other ones, though, yeah. Gurley. She's more famous in Jamaica than I am. Jeez. Yeah.

So Jamaica Rasta man, mom. Shout out to Mama Chong. Oh, yeah. Mama Chong. Oh, yeah. Can you sing? No. Really?

I can write music and rap. Oh, really? I'm kind of sing. Oh, you wrapped. I remember you came out with a song. I had a lot of songs. You did. But you came out with a song at one point.

Like we all listened to it in the library. One song. Yeah, one song. But that was like years ago. Yeah. That's still right. Eight years ago. Oh, that's cool.

That's cool. Mm-hmm. All right. What star recruit were you coming out of high school? Two. Two star? Mm-hmm. In Oregon, offered you?

Mm-hmm. They only usually take five stars and four stars. You know how that happened? How? So Coach Neal was coming to see another player and they saw me running on kickoff and just move this guy and hit this person and coach nil said who is that and that's how i got scholarship that's what's up man that's what's up um chungy what is your coffee order i don't drink coffee no coffee but if i had to choose

starbucks caramel caramel frappuccino sweet stuff extra caramel on the bottom extra foo extra food. So it doesn't even taste like coffee. It doesn't. It tastes like a milkshake. That's how I actually got turned on the coffee. I'm like, dude, coffee is nasty. Like, no, no.

Someone brought me to Dunkin' Donuts. It was an ice coffee with Carmel swirl, two squirts or whatever, and milk. And I took it out. I was like, dude, this is a milkshake. This is a freaking milkshake. And then ever since, I got hooked on coffee because of that. It is a milkshake. What was your college GPA?

Oh, to begin with or the end? Both. To begin with. with I was 16. I'm like, they don't check class. You're 16 in college? Yeah, I went to college. I was at 16. I was born in Jamaica. So in Jamaica, you start school earlier than America. So when I came over to the States, I just came in the grade that I was already in. So I graduated 16 years old, and I went to college at 16. And then Oregon at 7? How old are you right now? 38. I just turned 38 on the 19th. Oh, man. So they didn't check class. I'm like, you're not

checking class. I'm a little kid. I'm like, I'm checking my class. So I went down to like 2.1, almost academic probation and then right back to like 3.2. After they told me like, you're about to get kicked out of school. I'm like, okay, let me feel it. Three point two. A couple cool facts right there. You didn't know I? No, I didn't know that. So when I was going for you, yeah. I was supposed to gray shirt. Yeah. Oh, you, did you? I was supposed to gray shirt and coach Neil call me that we need you now. So I didn't gray shirt. I just redshirted. What was your age when you first your first nap on the football field at Oregon? How old were you?

I was turning 17. So like right before 18 years old. Oh, man. Holy shit. I didn't know that about you, man. That's a cool young fact, man. You didn't know that? Holy moly.

16 college. What's the square root of 144? You're fucking me up right now. It was 12, ain't it? Yeah, yeah. You just caught me. I was just sitting here thinking like, are you serious right now with this question? Yeah.

This is in the series. What's 11 times 14? 144. 154, stupid. Yeah, yeah, get out of here. Not a numbers guy. I'm a numbers guy. Ask me it.

11 times 16. Oh, that one's tough. 144. 176. Oh. Did you just say it too? All right. This guy knows is multiplications.

I didn't even try. I didn't even try it. If I tried and actually use my brain cells or I would have got it. Yeah, yeah. I just didn't want to. Okay, 11 times 12. Oh. 133.

132. Oh, dang. So close. Are you guys? Can you put this on? Can you put this on? It's 133. You didn't let me finish.

132. 11 times 12. 133 minus 1. All right. You didn't let me get that minus 1. The guy knows math. Back to the question. See, they try to make me stupid with the square way of 144.

Hey, get them back. Get them back with this thing. That's why he was in college is 16 years old. Like what that is? No, that wasn't why. Because I was just born or just in Jamaica. That's it. No, no, you're genius.

That's what it is. How many surgeries have you had? Ooh. One, two, three, four, five. All upper body, it seems like. You're brockoning to, and you're still jacked, still, still defined.

Maybe seven. If you call MCL, like the manipulation, you call that eight. No, I'm sorry. No, like six or seven. Yeah. Six or seven. Okay.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Chungie, what's the last book you read? Nothing. Cookbook. Cookbook. Okay. That's a book. That's a book.

I love cookbooks. When I read my books and it's all pictures, that's still a book. Yeah. Where's the last book? It was Julian's book. What was the last book you read? It was the kid's book you read. Where the Red friend grows.

Green light. Eighth grade. The playbook. Actually, I didn't read that. I just picked it up on it. You just skimmed. You just skimmed? Yeah.

Walk through. is where I picked up the playbook. He didn't read the playbook. He just did it. He's so right. A walkthroughs are key. Yeah, walkthroughs are key. They're key.

Key to learning. Like, if you know you're messing up in the meetings, you're like, okay, I'll just, I'll just pay attention in the walkthrough. And then you're moving around as well, so it's a lot easier. Yeah. Yeah. To pick it up. People learn there always.

Chuck, what's your game day outfit? It depends. Ooh, depends on. It was cold. I might do a little pico. A little pico guy. A little pico thing. Do you wash the picoat?

I don't wear the coat. enough to wash it. Doesn't wear enough to wash, but has never washed. Hey, so when you wear a pair of jeans, do you wash it, do you wash it right after? Depends on what kind of gene. And it depends how dirty you get the jeans. Exactly. But if you just wearing it to a dinner and you come home, do you wash it? No, I ain't washing those jeans. Exactly. So be coat where I wear it two times a year in the winter, why would I wash it? Hell no, I ain't washing that. These are just questions we're asking you. Yeah. Please, please. Stop asking those questions. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

We're friends. I can ask these questions. Okay, yes, yes. Ice bath or hot tub? Hot tub. All right. Have you ever been fined? Correct.

How much and how many times? And for what? I would say 15, 20 grand. I grabbed Reggie Bush by the back of his helmet. I hit Chad on Shonko on the head. Oh. I face mass somebody. Don't remember who that was.

No name her. I don't remember who that was. And maybe a couple other things. So we're talking like, maybe 300 grand worth of fines? No. 20 grand. 20 altogether, all of them?

Because if you're a repeat offender, I believe it doubles. It's only a couple. They're pretty bad, but it's only a couple. So 50? 50 grand? 15. 15? 20.

Maybe. You can look it up maybe 20. Not fine to lot, but not really hard stuff. Like little baby tedious fines? Oh, like socks and shit like that? I don't know. You know, it's not like one of those ones where you stick someone so hard. They have to give you 100 grand.

grand. Oh, that's tough. His are like little seven grand. Remember walking into your locker room, like in your locker and you see like the FedEx the FedEx right on your chair and you're like, damn.

That's how you find out if you get fined out. If you're either a check or I got to pay some money. You walk into the locker room and what? There's just something taped on. There's just a FedEx right there on your chair and you look at it. From the league office. From the league office.

And you're like, ah, either this is a a Madden check because we're all on Madden. Yeah. You're just hoping it. Or maybe like something else. You know what I'm saying? Like something else? Or I just got fine for me hitting that guy on Sunday.

Yeah. That's it. And then you open up, you're like, ah, motherfucker. I just got fine. And then you looked, tune to you right? You're like, lunch on you now. Yeah. Tax, yeah.

What was it go to? It goes to Goodell Foundation or whatever it is. I don't know. Probably Goodell's pocket. Yeah, that's what I think. We had him on our show. Love, Roger. He was the first guest we had on.

He's actually a cool dude. I like him, bro. I should be saying that, but yeah. We did love having him on. Great dude to shoot this shit with. Really. He also. He seems real cool.

But he also understands that he has to be the villain. You know, for everyone else. So, like, he plays it. You got to be the villain. Back to the questions. Oh, shit. Sorry, sorry. Sorry.

All right. All right. What was your fastest 40 time? 439. 439? And I used to run by and get open. So that means I run a 4-3-2. First, oh my God.

Yeah, baby. I run a 432, everyone. Oh, my God. In Arizona, 439. Was it Arizona? Yeah. No, what was it before? API.

API, yeah. What did you run at the combine? Was that the 439? No, 447. That's shit hurt. That costs me money. Asteris. Yeah, it's an asteris.

Hand time. Hand time. So fight breaks out at practice. What do you do? Depends. On what? Yeah. How many punches are thrown?

If I'm around. If you're around. If it's not crazy. I'm like, just break it up, guys. If it's crazy and I see some happening. Like, if someone else like punch you guys in the face,

I'd like, you can't do that to my friends, bro. Like, back the fuck up real quick. But a fight for me, I'm going. Going. Oh, speaking of this, my fights,

so my rookie year, I don't know if you remember this. It was me and Kevin Falk. K. Falk? So I came in on a blitz You know, you come on a blitz And like you kind of stop So I stopped

But I must have headbutton him a little bit So I turn around I'm a rookie ear He throws the ball In the back of my head I think I remember Yep And I backed up

I'm like no So I threw a ball back And I'm walking again And he threw it back And he threw it back again And this is young Crazy Pat I just lost my mind

Boom So I ran at him And he tried to toss me And I grabbed him I won't say anything But I won't say anything But I won the battle that day And Bill took me out of practice, put me on the sideline.

I was so mad I had tears in my eyes. He goes, he's done. But you know Bill, I look at Bill, and Bill's like this. Doing this fucking whistle thing and just smirking like, maybe we got this guy. He liked this guy. He's tough. It doesn't take shit.

Then I had to apologize to them. Fought a very big vet at a rookie age. Bro, I had to apologize, Jules. That's balsy. That's not balsy. Couple more. That's dog worthy. Yeah.

It is. It ain't stuck. I've been stuck that you're just super smart in a whiz because you're in college at 16 years old. It's because I was born as in makeup. I know, but like I'm still just I'm still going by it.

I like your T.I. Hat tilt right now. Thank you, man. I'm trying to become a rapper. Y'all, I'm Robbie G. I'm the one and only. If you don't know me, I'm sorry. There's more.

It's like Chum's Ratsin. It was like Chung's rap. video he came out with 10 years ago and showed us all in the locker room was just as good as that all right we got a couple more we got a couple more for you oh my god how much how many more questions are we got for you how many more two all right i got one and then julian we'll top it off all right can you dunk barely barely i'm honest person barely i can but it's not like a rob dunk i can dunk i can dunk i know you can't it's like i can barely get there and put it in the hole and just, huh, just put it in the rim and huh. Oh, yeah. All right. All right.

Yeah. I like the description there. Yeah, I had to tone it back a little bit. Wow. You're a little out of hand today. You might be our most inappropriate guess, but my favorite. I'll tell you. Last question.

Gets me going. How do you eat your steak? Medium rare or medium rare plus. I need a little bit of, I'm okay with a little bit of blood leaking out, which is really not blood and pink. Do you use utensils, fork and knife? Forking knife. Or just hands.

Forking knife. What if it's like a bone in ribbon? And there's some meat on the bone. Well, I'll eat the meat with fork and knife. And then at the end, I'll grab that thing and eat it like a good. Now we're talking. Yeah, big, oh, big time. I was worried for a little bit.

Are you serious? No shot. All right, Chung, give us a couple seconds so we can determine what kind of dude you are. We're going to meet real quick. Oh, no. We miss meeting room so much. Yeah, real quick. We're going to have our own little meeting room right now just to replicate, you know, us back in the day.

Yeah, he went to school at 13. 12. 12 years old. Wait, but he ran a 4-3-9, but it was really a 4-48. Yeah, correct. That's correct. He's just icing it up. Hey, hey, I'm here.

Oh, I can hear you. I can be more science. No, no. I don't know. Yeah, made up his. Yeah, kind of, yeah. All right. On three, one, two, three, dog.

You know, perfect. Why do you think he's a dog, Rob? Well, this was a tough one. Yeah, this was a tough one because you're a whiz as well, you know. You're very, you know, innovative and you have a lot of intellectual thoughts. You got to be smart to be a rapper to be able to rhyme words and all that good stuff. But as a dog, you were relentless, man. And you really were.

You made me a better player out there on the football field. And it wasn't like, it was like, oh, my gosh, is Patrick Chung. He has the most freakish abilities. And he looks like absolute monster. It was like, oh, I'm going to get open on this guy. He's not really ready. And then all of a sudden you just wake up. And that's like a dog.

He can be sleeping on the floor. Boom, wakes up. And he's running at the guy that rings the doorbell and just absolutely fighting his face off and having zoomies. And that was you out on the football field. You were a two star athlete. You know, we just learned that through the questionnaire. And a dog is a guy, is a animal that is kind of, you know, not given every opportunity, not handed them.

And as a two-star, you're not handed every opportunity. You worked your way up there. So we determine that you're a dog. What else you got on that? I think, you know, you've overcome a lot of adversities in your life. You've always been a bring your, as much as anyone wants to say with, you know, you sleeping in meetings and stuff. When it was practice time, it was like bring your lunch pail, bring your fucking hard hat.

Chung's going to be here. There's going to be some fireworks. And it's just going to be, you know, one of those types of days. You always had physical toughness, mental toughness. And I saw the mental toughness when, you know, we would go, we would go out, have some fun. And then the first day back, Chung's like the rabbit when we'd all condition. like he always had crazy lungs. He always worked his dick off,

even if it looked like he was tired or mopey. He never, he looked away, but he played a certain way. And that's like a dog, bro. That's fair. I'll take that. And most importantly,

while you're a dog, do dogs ever back down when they see another dog that's bigger? No. Never. And you never backed down for me, ever, ever, watching your career.

And I'm like three times the size of you. Yes. Especially now. Yeah. And that was the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly.

Chung, thanks for coming on and sharing with us the dude that you always looked up to, the dude that you wanted to go over. Anything to plug? Free jacks. Free jacks, man. What is free jigs? Our rugby team. What is our rugby team?

What is our rugby? team. Explain this to the viewer. Oh, so, me and, you know, Nate Evern. Let's hear what you got on. Of course we do. So that was my locker mate for years, and he's always watched this sport on his phone next to me. I'm like, what are you watching, bro? What are he watching?

He was rugby. We were playing, they're watching the all blacks and the seven. So I'm like, well, let me watch. So I started watching, started watching it becomes very interesting. It's like it's football without the softies. Without the forward pass. Without forward pass and soft-ass people that just close their eyes. It's a

It's a man sport. It's a man sport. So Julian wouldn't be able to play. Oh, yeah. He'd be able to play. You'd be able to play. Oh, I was just trying to throw a shot at. No, me and Nick. Talking about right now. The guy just had not shirt. I was right now. But it's a good, it's a good sport. And Nate called me one day. He goes, hey, you want to like partly own a rugby team. I'm like, shit, fuck it. Let's do it. Fuck you. Yeah. So we just own this team. We won three championships. Where do you guys play? We're in Quincy. Veterans Memorial Stadium. Okay. And then now the new, we had the championship in Pawtucket, the new soccer stadium. I forget the name of it. And we won three championships a row. So really, I got six rings now. Six, right. If you want to say that.

Captain Jack? I mean, three Jack? Captain Jack. When's the season? When can people come to the games? Oh, I think they start March, April. So it's a spring sport. Everyone go out, look up free jacks.

New England free jacks. Three time champions. Back to back to back. Back to back. Three Pete. Three Pete. With co-owner, Nate Ebner, another teammate of ours. Everyone goes support Free Jacks.

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