Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Ty Law Stories
Episode Date: May 17, 2026Ty Law tells his favorite stories from his time playing for the New England Patriots, including talk about Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and Mike VrabelSupport the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee om...nystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Now, Ty Law's best Bill Belichick story.
What's your best Bill Belichick story?
All right.
Look.
Okay.
Okay.
We know what.
All right.
Look.
All right.
So it was a situation where, you know, I was going through, you know, some contract, you know, some contract stuff before.
And Bill was like, hey, we need to restructure your contract.
All right.
Well, it was just going to be like an extension.
You know what I mean?
Just save some cap space or whatever.
And I'm like, you know, okay, but after we got it all down, I'm like,
that's a fucking pay cut.
What is that?
That ain't saving me no money.
I don't even got to send my agent this shit.
You know what I mean?
But then we went through it.
And then so he hits me.
And it was a good friend, you know, on the team.
I ain't going to say no names.
I can't put it out there like that.
And he was like, hey, look, if you don't restructure this, man.
We're going to have to cut your boy.
I was like, well, I guess he'll cut ass.
I ain't giving you shit.
You know, I'm like, that ain't happened.
I said, I guess I've got to go tell my boy that, hey, bro.
Hey, man, get your neck.
Get you on the car seat.
Something like that, you know what I mean?
But, like I said, we were, you know, but that's bill being bill.
And now that, so we end up, we end up working it out, our restructured.
I said, look, I don't care about it.
As long as I'm getting paid the same thing is because I didn't call in and try to get no more money.
And even though a lot of stuff got blown out of proportion, we worked it out.
I restructured my contract.
My dog was still there.
You know what I mean?
And, you know, we move on.
But all we had to do was just, we didn't even have to go through all that.
Oh, Bill.
But you know, you know, they try to do that and test your loyalty.
Coach Parcells tried me when I was a rookie.
But I like, I like to say I'm a little bit of a different breed.
I got a mind of my own.
So now they came in and put me at the end zone.
The end zone was even better, but it was still shitty when you was there, right?
The end zone hotel.
I lived there for a couple months, but when I came for my visit, it was myself, Curtis Martin.
They end up drafting the both of us.
You know how you just go on the business.
They want to talk to your interview and stuff like that.
So Coach Parcells brought me into the office and say, look, hey, man, we like you,
but we don't like who you got representing you.
He's like, you know, those posting brothers, man.
He said, I can't draft you with that.
So I'm sitting there myself.
You know, people had me trajectory to go to the Detroit.
Lions at number, I think they had the 21st pick of the draft.
And I'm sitting like, you know what?
After what I've seen and looking at Foxborough Stadium, I'm seeing all these trailer
parks up here and shit, I'm like, man.
Okay, that made me keep my agent even more.
Because I ain't, man, y'all, you couldn't even put me in a Marriott.
Yeah.
You couldn't put me, you know, I'm thinking I'm about to go to the league, you know,
risk all and get some room service or some shit like that, man.
Man, bro, I was not trying to come to wing just because of that.
But when he told me that.
But when he told me that, what he tried to.
to do is get into, you know, a young guy's head, see what you think.
That's a divide and conquer, you know, mentality saying that, you know, you might want to
draft me.
You know, I don't know that, but you think I'm going to go and fire my agent just because
of what you said, even if I had my agent and I'm with you and you don't want to get the deal
down.
No, that's not happening.
So he, my agent brought it up to Bill Parcells and Bill's like, well, I had to try.
Because, hey, there's one.
And I got, you know, at that time, you know, I got a nice rookie deal, you know, which was, I got as equivalent to like the 17th pick, even though I was a 23rd pick.
And then, of course, when, you know, when it was time to, you know, really get paid, you know, for, I was the highest paid defense back in the elite.
I mean, it's a production business.
Exactly, exactly.
It's a production business.
Yeah, exactly.
You get paid, you get that production.
But that's funny that he tried to okay-doke you.
Oh, he tried to go me twice.
That's the Bill Okie-Doke-doke.
Let me give you one more.
Let's hear it.
Okay, since we out there and everything, gone now.
So now, now I had a, in my contract.
Do we do we shot a clock?
Oh, God, damn it, shot a clock.
Shot a clock.
Shot a clock.
Shot a clock.
Shot a clock.
I mean, when we're talking, Bill, you got to get a little toast.
Oh, yeah.
I'm grilled pineapple.
We got, we about to mess with Bill a little bit.
Let's.
Cheers.
We love them.
We love him.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, hell yeah.
So let's go to Bill's ass, right?
So,
it is we drank in the thanking shit.
All right.
So Bill,
I had a contract.
So, of course,
you know,
he came, you know,
from the Jets.
I,
you know,
and at the time,
I was the only person
on the roster
that was still
under Pete Carroll's contract.
So I signed a big deal.
I was with Pete.
You know,
Pete really went to bat.
And like I said,
I earned my shit,
but I was under that contract.
So you know how it is.
Delick can touch your contract once.
Once they touch it,
you can't touch it for the rest of the year.
You know what I mean?
They would try to avoid me like the place.
So next to Drew, I was next.
But they would go to everybody else because they knew, you know, at the time that I don't come mess with me about that shit.
That's not happening.
So anyway, I had a bonus in my contract where I get X amount of dollars if I come and make weight.
And I had a reporting bonus.
So I had a reporting bonus.
You know, I could say it out because it's a-
You had a weight clause?
Huh?
No, that's what's part of my reporting was.
I got to come on time, make weight, pass the conditioning test.
Yeah, we all got that.
Exactly.
I got a million dollars for mine, though.
Workout bonus, a million bucks.
No, that was reporting bonus.
My workout bonus was $100,000.
You know, I do that.
Just in case they catch you.
Just in case they catch you, they save a mill.
Yeah, yeah.
They know you could do it.
Just in case, they catch you slipping.
So that was going to send up to come in and, like I said,
I was going to pass the conditioning test.
I don't give a damn if I had to sit in a side.
for 50 hours straight, I'm going to get that damn bonus, you know what I mean?
But it was the $100,000.
So, you know, when I came in and I came in and got my checks, you know what I mean?
At the time, you know, you got direct deposit, but you get your receipt.
So I got one.
I'm like, I'm like, what my damn?
What am I a little $100,000?
So, of course, you know, I go down.
They say, I go upstairs and they say, you got to go talk to Bill.
I'm like, well, shit.
Okay.
Hey, Bill.
I'm missing $100,000.
And he's like, well, he said, we didn't talk this year.
I said, what are you talking about?
Because I went to Bob Cursey, you know, the great Bob Cursey, Olympic, you know, gold medal winning coach.
I trained with him.
I never stayed in the offseason, you know, for the program.
So, you know, I got under my contract, as long as it was approved by the head coach of GM, which it always was, I get both checks.
So he said, we didn't talk this year because we talked last year because, like I said, he was fairly new to it, and he approved it was fine.
So I'll just assume it's like that every year.
Yeah.
I signed this shit when you was a jet.
You remember you was a jet when I signed this contract.
So when you came, here it is, we talked.
Jit for you guys.
That's a little child.
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Or young in your profession.
Exactly.
That's in Florida talking.
Yeah, exactly.
So now I come and he sit there and like, no, I'm like, Bill, man.
All right.
So I called my financial advisor.
I was like, yo, did that million clear yet?
Oh, not yet.
So, you know, I went out.
I left and I came back so Bill know me.
So I'm coming back in and bearish.
He was like, hey, he said he's in there.
Bill had my contract sitting on.
He had my contract sitting on his desk.
Laid out.
Layed out. Highlighted.
He had the shit highlighted saying, hey, it has to be approved of this, da, da, da, da,
language.
I'm like, and it was always approved.
You was a fucking jet.
He said, well, Andy Weiser Chuck is no longer a gym.
And I'm the head coach.
And I say no, fine.
So I was like, all right.
I just took my ass to the locker room,
got my stuff out the thing,
and I walked on out.
I were gone for three days.
See, it wasn't on social media
and all that stuff there.
So I was gone for three days, bro.
And finally got the call
because they got to call USA.
And this is during training camp.
But I know in training camp,
you cannot find me more than $1,200 a day.
So as far, it was $1,000 a day at the time.
Yeah.
It's like $20 now.
Huh?
It's like $20,000.
Yeah.
Unexcused absence.
Keep going on that.
Yeah.
So it was a thousand.
It was like,
it was, no, it was it,
it was, it was,
it was, it was,
it was 5,000.
Yeah, it was 5,000.
So I said,
as far as I'm concerned,
I got 20 practices.
I'll be back at,
at, on day 21
to get that $6 million salary.
I'd be back for that.
But if I'm losing $100,000,
I'm going.
So I was, I was gone.
You know what I mean?
So eventually,
bears called me down the phone.
Bring your ass down here.
Got it out.
All right.
I said, Bill,
with my money.
He said, you come down here, we talk about that shit later.
So I go.
Going to the principal's office.
No.
No, he said, he calls the principal's office.
He told me to come to go to the game because we were playing down in Washington.
So you didn't practice all camp?
No, I was gone for three days.
I left.
Oh, three days.
Exactly.
Because guess what?
Because get what?
The million cleared.
Okay.
That was clear.
I was in the bank.
So as far as I'm concerned, I got $100,000 right here that's out there.
And to me, where I come from, that's a lot of goddamn money.
That's a lot of money anywhere.
That's the kind that you don't get a financial advisor.
You get him the million, but you keep 100,000 yourself.
You know what you got to do.
That's the pocket change at that time.
That's a lot of money.
It's a lot of money, but two things.
So like I said, where I come from, that's life changing.
So for me, I was like, I'm not that guy.
I'm going to leave and I'll be back.
But they also had the status of who I was too.
So I knew that as well.
So do what you got to do.
So I left.
He called me, get your ass on the plane.
We go on the wall.
I think we was washing preseason.
He didn't start me.
He put me in with the goddamn scrubs, bro.
Willie and everybody,
these hot dogs on the sidelines, laughing and shit.
So he puts me in.
So now all the guys on the other side,
they're really going.
You know, they're trying to make a team.
Yeah, they're trying to make a team.
Yeah, they're trying to.
I'm getting cut and all that.
I was like, man, you know,
Willie and then was clowning and laughing, right?
So we comes back in.
Next day, he had to come in on Monday.
I didn't even take my stuff off.
I was at the table eating breakfast,
steal my clothes on
you know Bill came
by with an envelope
he sat it right to me
he's like
fucking asshole
so I was like
open up the check
85,000
dot me three days
freaking Bill
hey
hey hey
that's Bill for you though
Bill
he docked me
he docked me
this fucking three days
man so
but we like said
we got a great
relationship
and the respect from there
but it was just at the time
I wasn't the one
I made sure that she was clear.
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Can you explain the dog?
Huh?
Can you explain the dog?
I think the dog is a mentality.
You know, that under any circumstances, are you going to break me?
I'm going to win.
I'm going to every play.
Even if you knock me down, I'm going to get back up.
I'm going to come at you the same full tilt all day.
and when adversity strikes,
you still don't drop your head
and you get that mentality
that I'm going to beat you this play.
If you beat me, oh, the next play, oh, it's on.
Class heaters.
You know what I mean?
Class heaters.
That's what, like, we're looking up right there.
Kevin Garnett.
Dog.
All-time dog.
What's a Mount Rushmore of dogs?
Ooh, that's tough.
That's tough.
I would say, you know,
okay, let's just throw out a couple from each sport.
Lawrence Taylor.
Dog.
Dog.
Dog.
one that just retired
Aaron Donald
That is a dog
Ray Lewis
Dog
Rodney Harrison
Dog
You know what I mean
Because I'm telling
I'll say Rod Harris
is supposed to be in a pro football
The offense dogs
No no
No I'm going there
I'll bet you
I'll bet you
I'm okay no
Jimmy Smith
Dog
Doug
Julian Edelman
Dog
And not just because of
You know
I look at the journey
too
Okay you could make plays
You can do all this stuff
But to know
how tough he was to be able to go out there and do that and go out there and do what I do.
I told Troy Brown, you got me fired, though.
Because when I got hurt, hit on Troy Brown playing DB, you know, and did some dog shit picking stuff.
He led the league, he led the team in picks, you know, you know what I mean?
So when you guys, when you guys come in and do that and can do more than just your job
and you do it with so much passion and you're successful because no one expected you to be who you are.
Maybe you expected it, but when you get drafted,
did you get drafted?
Yeah, seven.
Okay, you went seven round.
Damn it, that's basically a free agent bullshit.
You always wish you were a free agent because you don't have to do two years.
Huh?
Exactly.
They get you for four.
But no one expected you when they brought you in.
They didn't expect you to turn into the only person that can believe that is a dog
and you got to believe in yourself because basically when you get drafted that late,
you're coming from another position.
You are basically there for a tackling dummy.
You're there for God.
You're there for.
guys like somebody established like myself to beat up on.
Exactly.
So for you to make it, you know, you're a dog right there to put it out there and perform
and then you had some of the top corners out there that didn't want to see him.
So that right there, you fit in the dog.
Tom Brady was a dog.
Dog.
Because from day one, he came in there and he wanted to compete.
He going to talk shit.
And I'm telling him, we used to light him up.
But he coming right back at you as a dog going to head bunch you.
He going to fight you.
Come at you.
and he was not no punk and that's what you know then he ain't no punk right there that was like a
compliment oh he ain't no punk you know nowadays it's a he ain't no bitch but he ain't no punk you know what
me so that was uh tom i look at like receivers like again hines war was a dog he wasn't fast he wasn't
in but he will sit there and rock you you know he will blindside the shit out of you too so
you always got to keep your head on the swivel so i look at at the tough guys even even you know i said
T.O. Randy Moss
was a dog. You know what I mean?
Because he was tough. Chris Carter,
Michael Irvin. He will fight you
all damn day too. You know what I mean? So I look
at so many tough guys with like just skill
everybody in a dog, man.
Now, are you born with that dog or can
you develop the dog? Because I'm sitting here looking at my
seven-year-old daughter and I'm seeing
some of this attitude and effort on the
field right now. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know
if we got dog in her.
We got puppy. You know what? You might have a puppy in her.
My mom told me,
you know when I was younger.
She said, you know, you used to get your ass with, you know, you wasn't, you
wasn't that tough.
But, you know, I remember one time that I came home grinding, and she made me go back
out there and fight, you know?
You're like, you're going to go out there and fight.
And I started development.
So, yes, you can develop a dog.
And you can develop a dog.
Yeah.
Develop the dog.
I mean, you could be born into it, too.
That's a T-shirt.
That's a Ganger name's T-shirt.
Develop.
It's a T-Log T-shirt.
That's right, baby.
I developed both times, and you get that confidence.
And then it's like, when you were, like,
that you got to believe in yourself.
That was my whole thing, was always believing in myself
no matter what anybody thinks.
That's what a dog is.
A dog is someone who believes in himself,
no matter what the situation is.
Right, absolutely.
If the situation is against you,
if the world is against you,
still think you're going to do it.
Yep.
Because when you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready.
Next up, Ty Law breaks down his iconic Super Bowl pick six.
But can you walk us?
through beat for beat the pick six.
Easy one.
No,
that was,
that was one,
the easiest,
you know,
you know,
picks like,
because I always give credit
to Vrable,
you know,
Vrable, you know,
made him,
errant though,
it was one of those things
where, you know,
he did the same thing
that Indy used to do
and start putting Marvin in motion.
So they put Isaac in motion
so I couldn't get him
at the line of scrimmage.
And it was one of those places.
You had to back off,
you're going to motion,
and you just seen it,
you're coming.
Vrable got through so clean,
that, okay, now I'm just reading him.
And then it was an errant throw.
So I'll say, I'm going to be hesitant case of Isaac because he had an,
Isaac can route.
Yeah.
He will route the hell out of you.
So it's like, okay, you plan for the double move?
It might be because I didn't know because he wasn't going in motion like that until then.
So I was kind of trying to fill it out.
So what type of games is going to be?
And Vrable came in there and he whined back to throw it.
I'm like, you bullshit.
He threw, come on, man.
Come on, Kurt.
You know what I mean?
And it was coming like it was slow motion.
And I was sitting like, oh, this is the Super Bowl.
That's the kind of shit you drop because it's so easy.
So easy.
It's so easy.
You would drop it.
But, you know, once I got it, man, all you seen was flashes and it was like everything
would blank, you know.
And, you know, it's like you hear the screens and it just went silent.
And I'm running down there and just flashes and knowing that this is it, you know,
in the Super Bowl and got that pick and the rest, we rode the hell out of it.
You know what I mean?
We rode the hell of that thing, man.
What was the hand that just like?
I don't even know what I was doing.
You know, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just threw it up.
You know what I mean?
It's something that I've never done before in any of my picks or my pick six.
I didn't throw it up.
It was just something that just happened and I threw it up there and it's been an iconic picture ever since.
Now, Tileau discusses Eric Manjini and other former Patriots coaches who left.
I think when people leave Belichick, they try to be Bill.
You know what I mean?
It's like, no, it's only, it's only one bill.
So I think even with Josh, I was there with Denver.
I still can't believe the whole spike ain't.
Exactly.
But it's like, why?
I didn't even know.
I didn't even know that.
It's Archie Bunker.
But, you know, Eric, he was like, hey, I know where all the bones buried.
You know, that's what the room.
Y'all know with that.
So if you was doing that, which like I said, as players, we never knew anything.
You know what I mean?
So it's like when they say this and that, like, when have you ever came in
and seen another person's practice or anything?
I've never experienced that.
So when people say, then what are you hell
are you talking about?
But then if Eric was to say something,
if he was the one that got out,
okay, Bill, you know who you're playing too.
You know, I don't do that shit.
If something is really going on like this,
you can't do that on somebody that you was doing.
So it was dumb on both their parts,
if that was the case.
You know what I mean?
But I've never seen personally,
have you ever seen the, since you've been there,
have you ever seen it when it was all coming out?
I've never seen nothing like that.
No, but, I mean, I was watching that document.
entry and I'm sitting there like and was there Eric wasn't on it.
Did the Mangini come on it?
No, he's been banned from football if you noticed it.
Huh?
Yeah, I know he's doing TV, but ever since he told on him, he ain't got a job.
He did have a cameo in the sopranos.
That was pretty cool.
Huh?
He did what?
He was in the sopranoes for one episode?
Is it the Belichick defect or is it someone saying like, I don't want that in my, my building?
You know what?
You know what?
I don't know if you would say, if he got blackball?
Because he had, you know, after he went to jail, he went to Cleveland.
Cleveland.
So he still was at that, but you got a win.
You know what I mean?
And he didn't do that.
But if you was the one that called out and you participated, you know, if that was
anything going on, it's like, that's hypocritical if that was the case.
Like I'm going to keep saying that because I know people try to sound like, I've never seen
the shit.
I never know.
But Belichick, you got to be a damn fool if you do that to somebody that know, would
the bones, buried in secrets and all that stuff.
But I think it's kind of like.
Baseball.
These fools are stealing each other signs all year long.
Yeah, that's why I tell people, like, if you see somebody with a coach,
when can you ever do anything when you get the signal?
Right.
It's like you can't communicate it until the next game and things are changed anyways.
Yeah.
But I'm just still mad at Eric Van Jeannie.
That was some bullshit.
You can't be going.
The guy literally, you know, like it's kind of like a little baby bird coming out of an egg.
Bill literally sat on your ass and hatched you.
and hatched you.
And you're going to go away from the nest?
And you're going to go try to kill Mama Bird?
Right.
I don't know.
I think, you know, like I said,
if that way, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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