Dumb Blonde - Bunnie & Meme: Murder and Mommy Issues

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

Bunnie and Meme turn the lights down low and lock the doors tightly for an extra chilling episode of the Murder Mystery Series. This week, it's all about Ed Gein aka "the Butcher of Plainfield", one of the most notorious killers and grave robbers serving as inspiration for numerous films including "The Silence of the Lambs" and "House of 1000 Corpses". They talk about the extra weird relationship Ed and his mom had, how he got his taste for blood, and why you'll never look at a pig or a shoebox the same way. Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And here we are. What's up, guys? You guys are really loving this little fucking series that we're doing. So today it's just me and Mimi hey guys hi me so everybody is loving you on the podcast I've come to find that out I didn't think I mean I don't know I just didn't think they knew enough about me to want me on here but everybody everyone's so nice to me I know so we might we might be making Mimi the trusty steed we don't know yet though we'll we'll definitely we're getting a studio. So when you guys see the new set, then you'll know if she's coming on or not.

We'll do like a little reveal. Yeah, for sure. Hold on one second. My husband's texting me. We're sexting right now. Oh, shit. um well today we are going to dive into one of mimi's favorite serial killers which i love him so much i'm reading this story and i'm just so fucking sick to my stomach and she said the craziest thing to me because she's like i don't feel like he was a serial killer and i'm like this dude is fucking something's wrong with him he's a psychopath he's my favorite psychopath i don't believe he was a serial killer no he got off on the idea of death right not the idea of killing right and he only killed a couple of people right it technically three people and that's what makes you a serial killer right three people but he dug up the

corpses majority everyone else that he handled was already dead of natural cause right but to have compassion for a weirdo like this it's gonna be hard for me to find i feel like this is similar to the eileen moreno story no she kind of you know had a heart at least she loved you know girls and only killed men and completely different when we so for those of you who don't know who we're talking about, we are talking about Ed Gein. Ed Gein. And he's pretty, pretty spicy. I mean.

I got her roped in by telling her a very key part of this story. And she said, oh, we're doing it. So when you guys get to the part, I'm going to tell you guys. But this was. And, you know, I i when i was in high school i became obsessed with studying serial killers more for the psychological side of things i wanted to know why these people chose to make these decisions in life um and ed gein happened to be one of them and even in high school i remember thinking to myself like i don't feel

like he's a serial killer i feel like he's a psychopath he's one of the most iconic psychopaths of you know history but serial killer no yeah I don't know well we're gonna let you guys decide for yourself I don't think he's a serial killer either I do agree with you on that but I do feel like he's a few grapes short of a fruit salad for sure. He's a few tacos short of a taco truck like this dude. And, you know, it's crazy because his mom was so super fucking religious. So I feel like those are the real weirdos are the people whose parents. I'm one of them who were super strict and super just like overbearing and like shoved religion down their throat. It's like a different

fear that it creates and it's all he knew you know like it's one if if some if i had a child and as that child was being raised if i told them that the color red was blue that's the name of it and they got older they would know no different right they would think the color red is named blue yeah and i feel like in these incidents that's exactly it i feel like he knew no different right he was almost like brainwashed for sure definitely brainwashed yeah yeah i would definitely agree with you on that you think they can see the hair on my legs from here i just realized i didn't shave yeah i mean i'm looking right at you on the tv screen and it's all up front and personal. Listen, when you're married, you don't shave your legs. I shaved today for the first time just because I was like, you know what? It's almost winter. Maybe I should shave my Ewok.

And I'm just growing my winter coat out. Yeah. I had to do it one last time. I was like, I just want to see what she looks like without hair. Just one last time. I forget. I miss her. I forget what she looks like without hair sometimes. Although I don't like hair. I'm very like my hair is not very hairy anyways. You don't have hair at all. You don't even have hair on your eyebrows. Being around my dad, I realized he's not hairy.

No. So that's why. Thank God. My mom was a bushwhacker. No hair. Really? Oh, yeah. She was a furber.

That's funny that you get the dad's jeans. Yeah. That's crazy. Normally you get the dad's jeans yeah that's crazy normally you get the mom's jeans i have a lot of my dad's jeans actually you're so much like your dad oh it's crazy we were over there not to we'll get well i swear we'll go to the murderer soon but we were over there the other day and my dad just when he's over something he's over it and i'm the same way literally i'm the same way and i'm like all right i gotta go like that's literally what i'll do and that's what my dad would do.

He'd be like, all right, well, it was really nice seeing you. And, you know, come and see me tomorrow. I'll be like, I know. I'll be like, Billy, you just asked me to fucking sit here and show you something. Yeah, but I'm tired. We'll deal with that tomorrow. And I'm like, OK, well, see you later. But Kayla was like, dude, you are just like your dad.

You made the same facial expressions. Like, I have my dad's hand. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry. I have made the same facial expressions. Like, I have my dad's hand. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry. I have my mom's hands, my dad's feet, my dad's arms. I was like, dad, can you grow any fucking muscles? Because I can't. No matter how hard I fucking work out, my upper body just stays the same.

He's like, nope, never could. That's crazy. But this kind of ties into the story that we're talking about. It's like you get true qualities from your parents, even if you didn't spend a lifetime with these parents. Yeah, for sure. Truly like you talked about once you kind of, you know, reconnected with your mom. You're like, wow. Yeah.

Wow. There was little things that she would do that you do. And like you guys weren't raised together, though. She showed me everything I didn't want to ever become. Yeah. And but now that you're with your dad, too, and having him so close again later on in life you realize there's so many qualities we don't realize that we get from our parents oh yeah for sure i'm so glad i turned out more like my dad i i have my mom's anxiety and i have her like nervous tics things i feel like

that were passed on genetically versus you have mannerisms of your father yeah yeah and thank god because my mom was fucking white trash hillbilly dude she had no fucking couth dude rest in peace vanessa but you're a fucking lunatic she came on the bailey bailey sky posted i'm sorry i always call her bailey sky because that's her name on tiktok but amy bale sky the psychic on TikTok, um, did a reading for Jay and I, and in that reading, my mom decides to come through. Nobody else from my side of the fucking world wants to come through all of Jay's family members did, but here comes my mom. And the first thing she's, she asks is me to take her ashes on the tour bus with her. She wanted to go on tour. And I was like, you know, I'm never going to touch your ashes. Yeah. Like, you know, know i'm never gonna touch your ashes yeah like you know i'm never gonna touch your ashes not happening um but yeah that's when we're

moving the other day my mom comes out and she's like i was like what's wrong she was like i just found grandma no can someone go get her please oh fuck i hate that dude i didn't even know we had her i'm yeah that's how i'm so weird about ashes in our house we keep you talked about that houses yeah because I want I don't want them in our house because yeah I have a crazy story about something that happened with me with ashes so should I tell it yeah okay I was waiting did you see me yeah so um I was living with my ex-boyfriend at the time and this dude had lost his mom this is the craziest story ever this dude had lost his mom. This is the craziest story ever, but this dude lost his mom, and we were having kind of like a get-together, a barbecue or something, and he brings this urn with her ashes over to the barbecue.

And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Who fucking does that? Like, who does that, right? But, I mean, who are we to judge anybody's way of grieving or whatever? Well, everybody ends up getting smashed at this fucking little house party barbecue whatever and i wake up the next morning and this woman's ashes are in my fucking kitchen and i'm like he left okay and at this time i didn't have quite a diversion to ashes but this is why i do now because those ashes sat on my counter for at least two weeks and the dude we kept calling

him like hey come get your mom come get your mom come get your mom like we don't want these ashes here we'd want to make sure that you get them back and he was just like oh just keep them there you know like just completely like blowing it off that fucking his mom his dead mother was in my kitchen well for those two weeks I kept getting the most severe headaches and like it would start in my kitchen. Well, for those two weeks, I kept getting the most severe headaches and like it would start in my neck and like be in my head and my throat. I kept feeling like weird, like suffocation feelings. And like, I just felt like this woman died a violent death and I could not figure it out. At first I thought there was something wrong with me. I was like, what is going on? I'm fucking picking up on something like what's happening. Cause I've always been like really susceptible

to anxiety and stuff like that. So I brushed that off. And then one day I was like, it's these fucking ashes. And I'm like, call him and ask him how his mom died. And so my ex calls his mom, calls him, sorry. My ex calls the dude and he's like my mom died a severely violent death her she died from domestic violence her boyfriend stabbed her in her neck and strangled her and i'm like this woman doesn't want to be in these ashes dude like she's screaming for to be let out of these ashes she doesn't want to be in this fucking box you know i was like you do you want to sprinkle your mom's ashes anywhere and he's like no you could just keep you know pretty much I don't know we were fucking

partying back then he might have just been a drug addict and fucking who knows if this is mom right like I don't know who we ended up with but anyways so I took her ashes to the nearest um graveyard and in the in Vegas there's a graveyard out there that has a lake in it. And I opened up her ashes and I spread them all over the lake. And I just kind of like said a prayer for her and just kind of released her into the earth again. And I tell, when I tell you the relief that was lifted off of my shoulders, when these ashes were released, I didn't have a headache. My neck didn't hurt the next day, nothing. And I could feel her like thanking me.

I could see a visual of like a woman just thanking me, you know? And ever since then, I don't keep ashes in my house because I just don't, you know, people are like, oh, well, they're just remains. There's no energy there. There's energy wherever people want their energy to go. Exactly. Lauren taught us that.

They will follow themselves. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So that's my story of why I don't keep ashes in my house. If anybody else has any weird ashes stories, let me know. Yeah, for reals. That's so scary. And I want to think back, like knowing that grandma was in our house this whole time.

Like, damn. Grandma's probably peaceful, though. She's probably happy where she's at and watching the kids grow up and stuff like that. I'm sure she is exactly that. We love Grandma Vera. We adore the shit out of her. I love the name Vera. I've always loved that name.

Grandma Vera. Vera Nicole. So Olivia is Olivia Sue Nicole. So for my mom and Nicole for Grandma Vera. But she was a beautiful woman. I loved Grandma Vera. She was very hard-headed. I'm talking very hard-headed.

We love a spicy grandma. Man, she was like hard-headed i'm talking very hard-headed we love a spicy grandma man she was like five foot and would kick anyone's ass that's how my bubble was yes 4 11 and fucking would beat my dad with brushes literally like her son back talked her one time jason said they were driving down the road and she said something he disagreed she pulled over on the highway say get the fuck out of my car and kick Donnie out of the car good I love a spicy grandma she she was so like she lived in the hood too like in the hood and she was so damn nosy she would stand out there in her bathrobe smoking her cigarettes just watching people deal drugs and stuff she'd be like he's motherfuckers I love it moves to the hood pissed off whenever fucking drug deals are going down exactly that's

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Gore warning. Yeah, for sure. Also like religious trauma warning. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because like you already touched on that but like you gotta really touch on that no for sure i it brought some stuff up for me when i was reading the story yeah i was just like oh god i could i could relate to that yeah for sure when was the last time you needed to go to a doctor but you pushed it off made the excuse of i'm too busy

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All right, so Ed Gein, the house of horrors. He's also known as the butcher of Plainfield or the Plainfield ghoul. Horrors. He's also known as the Butcher of Plainfield or the Plainfield Ghoul. So let me just say, my favorite movie in the whole wide world is House of a Thousand Corpses. Yes. I actually have a House of a Thousand Corpses tattoo. House of a Thousand Corpses.

Corpses. I love this movie. Yeah. I mean, movies that were made after him were house of a thousand corpses silence of the lambs and texas chainsaw massacre those are all great movies well there was like there was like a huge list of them too so if you guys died deep there's like a big list of them these were some of the main ones but otis which is played by rob zombie um kind of you know made some things channeled him yeah channeled him that's a great word channeled ed gein when creating that character and when you guys are done listening to this story go watch one of those and

you will totally pick up on the little thing so when i was in high school learning about ed gein it was cool because i was able to relate it to that house of a thousand corpse um ed gein house of a thousand corpses corpses sorry i always say corpse um ed gein edward theodore gein also called the butcher of plainfield was born on august 27th virgo oh six they say that virgos gemini's and pisces are the main real serial killer birth signs yes no way that's crazy i wonder why um do you think it's their temperament pisces men are very violent so yeah i could see that and very emotional which makes them violent can be not all of them and then virgo i have a lot of virgo placements and i'm extremely fucking just

mean so i could only imagine a virgo man look at cash cash is a wild card so yeah yeah i totally see that man he got a little serious baby serial killer oh i love it it's either joe dirt or a serial killer so you know one of the two he's a wild child man like last night he was not i ended up being i was like you're a bad boy because he like wouldn't he kept like running and jumping off the bed and waking up his sister and i was like will you just lay down please i was like, you're a bad boy because he like wouldn't. He kept like running and jumping off the bed and waking up his sister. And I was like, will you just lay down, please? I was like, you're being a bad boy. And he looked at me.

He's like, I'm being a good boy. No. I was like, please don't do that to me. So Ed was born in July of 19. No, I'm sorry. August. August of 1906. and he lived until 1984 like this dude lived a long fucking life yeah evil always lives long for some reason you lived into your 80s back in that day

yeah crazy to think about yeah that's nuts how old was he he was about what 82 yeah crazy yeah like that's a long life to live and he lived a crazy life and the shit he's seen like why would you want to be alive to see that yeah to reminisce about it that's so wild yeah oh lord let's get into his childhood um so he was born to a religious uh mother augusta gein he was augusta's second born child following the birth of a baby boy henry george gein in january 1901 i wonder if henry was a capricorn or an aquarius i wonder which one he was oh let's look that up real fast yeah can you get like a real date on him because that would under that would i was reading the story you know and we'll get into

it later on but that would explain why some things happened between the brothers. OK, because January 17th. OK, so he's right on the same cusp as me. He's a Cap Aquarius. Yeah, he wasn't putting up with that shit. No, he was like, what the fuck is wrong with you, Ed? Yeah. Yeah.

Something's wrong with you, bro. So the boy's father, George Gein, drank alcohol excessively and was unable to hold down a job for long periods of time. This infuriated Augusta, who harbored deep resentment towards her husband, but she never pursued a divorce due to her beliefs on the subject. Probably like religious beliefs, right? Yes, absolutely. As a result, Edna's older brother, Henry, were raised within a temperamental household. I wonder if that means is that if that's a good wording for violent. That's yeah.

I really feel like those two probably endured a lot with their father because they they talk about how unhealthy the relationship was between the mother and the father. Back in that day, you have an alcoholic father. He's definitely beating the shit out of you. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, because child abuse wasn't a thing back then they believed that you should beat your children back for sure my um my grandfather on my dad's side raging alcoholic and there was five children and

like to the point that he would break the kids bones like he beat the shit out of these children god so so so so bad that's terrible i could never do that to a child back then you know my dad was born in the 40s like that they don't they just kind of like kids deserve to be beaten yeah that's terrible i i understand a little swat on the butt every now and then but if i can to break a kid's bones yeah like hurting those children like that's crazy i grew up in a very violent household so i don't we don't like ba Bailey has never been spanked in her life. The child doesn't know what it's like to be spanked, you know. But I understand, like, when you're raising a child, if you, like, swat them on the butt, like, if they go to, like, touch a fucking hot stove or something like that.

Exactly. But not full on fucking beat your child. Absolutely not. No, I couldn't do that. So Augusta rarely showed affection towards the two sons. She believed that they were condemned to be disappointments just like their father. Augusta would often preach to them from the Bible, and she instilled into them that the beliefs of alcohol in all women,

except for herself, of course, were the pinnacles of immorality. Immorality, for sure. It sounds to me like she was extremely narcissistic and she probably had a god complex oh the fact that they only can like praise her right as a woman like god forbid should you find affection in any other woman but your mother yeah how did she expect them to like continue on their bloodline i don't think she thought of that yeah i think it was that's why i think she was narcissistic because it was always just about her. And I think she felt so bad about the dad because the dad probably didn't give her the attention she wanted. So she had these two boys

and was just like, worship me. Yeah. Do you think, do you think that she had some type of, I don't know, this is just how I feel like psychotic tendencies possibly that then you know trickled into i'm sure the dad was beating on her too so i'm sure the only thing that she could control was her two kids she couldn't control her father yeah so she you know came up with you when you're in situations like that you try to find um other things that you control can control because everything else is so out of control in your life oh that makes so much sense from early childhood ed developed a very close relationship with his mother strong beliefs about women considered as an instrument of the devil and a total aversion to any form

of transgression became ingrained in him so that means like anything sexual he was not allowed to think or touching do or anything yeah outwardly speaking about other women and his thoughts yeah i couldn't imagine raising a little boy to hate women like that no that's so weird like you're also telling someone a natural feeling that you have you know like a teen boy when he hit puberty imagine like how much trauma that was oh that's how religion is though because i was raised the same way that you're not supposed to talk about sex or you know till marriage and all that stuff because like going through puberty and stuff like that's literally a rush of hormones and you're being told that you are

bad for that like and it's such a natural thing to be happening within the body not saying that they should be acting on sexual things but like how do you control those and like open up about those feelings and like that's just insane yeah so ed begins to exhibit signs of disordered sexuality. At the age of 10, he had an orgasm watching his parents slaughtering a pig. Once while he was masturbating in the bathroom, his mother saw him and an outburst of anger grabbed his genitals and immersed him in boiling water. Ed was not allowed to think about sex on the contrary he must remain a virgin for life like he promised his parents first of all how do they know he had an orgasm watching

this pig get slaughtered did he tell somebody about this maybe in court he opened up about his life story and like because you know he well i don't want to skip ahead but like later on in life he had to speak about these things you know so he, well, I don't want to skip ahead, but like later on in life, he had to speak about these things, you know? So he had to confide in someone about that. And maybe, you know, who knows, but can you imagine like the thought on a child's brain that that's what turns you on? Guess what? I ordered the food to my house i'm gonna die

oh my god i shouldn't be in charge of anything dude we ordered food before this podcast started and we were gonna eat and then we were gonna start the podcast and then as she's sitting there she's like man our food is taking so long this has been like 30 minutes since she goes oh my god i never ordered it dude i'm like having the the hardest day ever today my brain is like i left my brain somewhere order again yeah change the address once you go to checkout definitely gonna do that i can't i have to wait till he drops the order off to where I can order it again. So he has orgasmed watching his parents slaughter a pig and then got caught masturbating.

Yeah, and then she puts his fucking genitalia in boiling water. Like something was really wrong with her. I think maybe she might have gone through some sort of sexual abuse or something happened to her. To where she's just passing this on to her children. Because you don't get like that unless something happened to her to where she's just passing this on to her children because you don't get like that unless something happened to you yes you know absolutely so she's just traumatizing him back yeah you know because she didn't i think i think she's there's a little touch of the psychotics in that bloodline yeah for sure a little little tinge little tinge during their upbringing ed and henry were prohibited from spending any leisurely time away from the family family's

rural farming property in plainsville which meant their only physical escape was attending school however augusta would discipline her sons if they attempted to make any friends at school which significantly impeded their social interactions and ed in particular became a victim of bullying the brothers only had each other for friendship throughout their childhoods instead of spending their spare time playing with other kids their age they were confined to doing chores on the farm and despite these restrictions ed continued to show unwavering love and admiration for his mother however henry was not so accepting henry was like uh yeah no this ain't this ain't it that's how i was i grew up in a really strict household and i was like fuck this i'm not fucking this isn't right

so ed has now developed like an obsession you know i wonder if she sexually abused him i had to i mean she's grabbing him by the genitalia yeah like that's weird yeah you know and i'm wondering how old he was when this happened you know like how old were you when your master you're found masturbating because it said you know he's a little bit older yeah you're just you're just manhandling your children like that yeah like you don't i would feel weird grabbing a child's wiener whether it's my kid or not you know that's weird yeah and putting it in boiling water that's evil yeah no so you're right he she could have been you know fucking around with him or something yeah that caused that sick obsession yeah and maybe henry was just like no fuck you

you're not gonna touch me in those places yeah and yeah so now going into teen adult life you know in 1940 their father has now died suffering a heart attack so in order to gain some additional family income they took odd jobs as handymen for local residents um ed and his brother managed to build a reputation as hard-working and trustworthy members of the community which led ed securing himself a babysitting work he enjoyed it because he liked being around uh children more than he died he did adults it had been pointed out that his preference may have been due to a lack of social development early in life. So he, you know, he kind of had that, what was it, the Michael Jackson effect? Yeah.

Like something was stripped away from him as a child and he was doing anything he could to... Hold on to that childhood. Exactly. Or try to create a childhood. Yes. That's so crazy that, you know, you have this guy watching your kids and you don't even realize how fucked up he is in his head. Could you imagine later on when like that story came to light? And you're like, that dude used to babysit me.

Yeah. God, that would be terrible. Or the parents who left the kids with him. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. It's a new year. New you. New business.

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family home and both brothers went out to tackle it the The fire was extinguished, but Ed claimed to have become separated from his brother during. He contacted the police and reported Henry's disappearance, but when the authorities arrived, Ed was suspiciously able to lead them directly to his brother's body. Although Henry had not been burnt by the fire and his head showed signs of bruising consistent with being struck, police ruled out murder and the cause of death was noted as asphyxiation so what sounds to me like what happened was ed was trying

to kill his brother and the brother was fighting back yes exactly but ed's a fucking psychopath and one i read somewhere that um they believe that it was like um trauma from like a rock or a very hard solid object yeah so either you beat the shit out of him uncontrollably but why did the the examiners and stuff not look into this subject a little bit further this was like 1940 right 1940 so they probably didn't have any 1944 at this point so they probably didn't have like dna they probably like you know they probably knew the family was already fucking weird yeah they're probably like they had to it's a small town i had to have like a reputation or something within the town

yeah absolutely those two but sure like it was that considered one of the deaths that he killed them like did that it probably gave him a his first taste of blood so that's probably what triggered it and he was like oh if i can get away with this what else can i get away with true and it gets weirder ladies and gentlemen oh yeah this is just mild very tip of the iceberg yeah one year after henry's death augusta suffered a stroke and her health began to deteriorate she spent most of her time confined to a bed and acted more erradical than ever ed served as her only carrier carer ed served as her only care but was also the sole victim of her vicious mood swings. In a continued cycle of psychological and emotional abuse,

Augusta would compare her son to his useless father, but would then contrastedly... Contrastingly. But then contrastingly show a softer maternal side and allow Ed to sleep in her bed. That's weird. they were definitely doing something she was touching him yeah something's going on yeah definitely snuggling or like you know something that's probably just crossing the line absolutely yeah like that's so weird and creepy

and like borderline just ew ed continued living with his mother until she died in 1945 following multiple strokes leaving him devastated gene had spent 39 years under his mother's roof and lived to serve her every need and suddenly she was gone leaving him on his own for the first time in his life he now lost his brother well he killed his brother it will within a year yeah so you have nobody and like the dad passed away in the 1940s so this is honestly just a five year gap he lost his whole family that and he just doesn't know how to bond with anybody else so he doesn't have friends he has no one yeah so augusta had spent years embedding into her boys that feelings of sex and lust were absolutely immoral and to be avoided at all costs ed's only compassion

until adulthood was from his mother so that's just to me this is where my empath sets in of like the eileen warnos yeah he really didn't know any different right and i understand that and it just like that's all he knew yeah was love from his mother so he had no um like social cues yeah and such which i feel like this plays a role later on in the story of just he didn't know how to um control his emotions yeah either which i feel like is where the brother incident happened i don't feel like he went out there with intentions of killing his brother but i'm sure in a fit of rage that incident then came to light yeah for sure you could read the next one his mother's death was the tipping point gene would later say a force built up within me in reference to losing his mother he began

visiting local cemeteries and digging up the bodies of deceased women with the intentions of creating a woman suit that he would then wear around his aim was to physically recreate a version of his mother later admitting to authorities that he wanted to become her and crawl into her skin this was the leg oh um the leggings and torso found by schley schley the leggings and torso found by schley and his team and edging admitted to dancing in them in a cemetery on a full moon it is say a witch like what's happening ed it is getting weird a warlock so he has now obsessed over the death of his mother that he wanted to become his mother yeah and i feel like

the idea of saying that he like when he had openly admitted that he wanted to crawl into her skin is something she forced upon him to yeah like she couldn't bring him close enough to her that's fucking weird and he's still a virgin right now yes yeah yes yeah weird 18 months after his mother's death and intense loneliness, Gein's visits to his mother's grave developed into nocturnal trips to Plainfield Cemetery and other nearby burial grounds with a pry bar. He dug up his mother and removed her head, which he took home to shrink, just as he had read about in his books. It was believed that the first woman Ed gein took from a grave was his

mother ed would carve out vaginas anuses and skin the breasts from the torso the rest he would cut up for meat except the face wait he would cut up for meat is he eating him that was never brought to light whether he ate them or not what's he cutting it up for meat though maybe he was eating them the rest he would cut up for meat except for the face ed painted his mother's vagina silver because hers was special they were definitely doing something oh he wanted to remember that vagina yeah because hers was special It was believed that he placed a bow on it as he hung it on his wall proudly to be displayed. He would peel off the face or save the entire head to keep him company and he would put lipstick on them. The way they would be dressed up for dinner.

This way they would be dressed up for dinner. Ed would use the skin to upholster chairs, decorative masks, and even had full body suits to wear. Ed would read the obituaries in the local paper and get them late at night just after they were buried. Mm, fresh bodies. That way the derf was softer and easier. Dude.

So this dude went from loving his mom to fucking digging up bodies because he's lonely yeah it was also said that he would cuddle the bodies yeah uh and he liked the fresher ones because they were still warm oh do you think he would sleep with them they did like ask him a couple times if he had any um sexual anything with these bodies and he has always claimed that he did not but i don't think that's true i wonder if his wiener is okay though because if his mom put it in boiling water maybe something was wrong with it i don't know maybe he was like asexual i don't know any non-anality i I don't know. Belly button. I don't know. He also crafted.

He was an artsman, guys. He also crafted body parts into household items, as well as pieces of clothing, such as a pair of gloves made from human flesh, a pair of lips attached to a window shade pool cord, and a belt made of nipples. What did his house smell like? all these bodies like how are you just living around that that is crazy i did tell bunny about the belt of nipples and she's like i'm in yeah let's let's cover this that and when you told me about the pig i was like all right he's a real weirdo yeah so yeah this has now developed into like an art form for him yeah essentially his whole entire and you know what's crazy is like it wasn't like a clean home that just had like a pair of lips

hanging from the shades he was a hoarder so there were stacks of books everywhere he did love to read that was his escape um but there was just shit everywhere in this place so it took a second you know for people to realize when they went in there, like, holy shit, this is what we're looking at. These chairs that this guy is sitting in are made out of skin. They would go also go on to find a collection of female genitalia, four chairs with woven cane seats replaced by tanned human skin, tattooed skin lampshades, and limbs and heads in boxes. Gein had made a tom-tom drum from a can covered top to bottom with stretched human skin

and a skin purse with a handle. He had cut an inverted skull in half to make a bowl and made an armchair with human arm bones. I mean, you gotta admit admit the dude's fucking creative. He's an artist. He's an artist. Artist.

It did say when you read the tanned skin, he tanned the skin. Oh. So it wasn't that he was digging up people with tanned skin. Yeah. He was actually like doing things to the skin afterwards. Leaving it outside to fucking get a little sun tan what if he was laying out with these bodies like just chilling putting them in bikinis and like i love that he dressed them up and put lipstick on them for his dinner parties that is so weird dude yeah skulls

were fastened to the posts of ed gein's bed and he had a human skin waist basket the officers also found a pair of leggings fashioned from the skin of a human legs and a vest made of a woman's torso and breasts. So that's what he would wear around the house. This is crazy. As well as grave digging, Gein also targeted the living and murdered...

Wait, hold on. As well as grave digging, Gein also targeted the living and murdered two women named Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden. In 1954, a local tavern owner, Mary, was shot and killed by Gein and he loaded her body onto a sled and dragged it home. So this is where we fall into the serial killer the serial killer thing um and that's where i when i bring up the fact that i feel like he was just so socially awkward that he was put into incidences that he didn't know how to get himself out of um and that's where the rage came so like he didn't know how to control himself or control his feelings and emotions and urges.

But I'm wondering why he killed these ladies. Like, there's no reason. Ed denied having sex with the bodies. He assumed explaining that they smelled too bad. Ed, that's where you draw the line. He's like, nah. He's like, I'll chop their meat up. I will use them as a chair.

I will fucking wear their bodies. But I'm not sticking my dick in that gross and i mean dudes will fuck anything so that's pretty shocking ed he admitted killing miss warden who was shot in the head with a 22 caliber rifle and then dragged outside to his car and transported back to the farmhouse he confessed to the murder three years earlier of plainfield innkeeper mary hogan he who had vanished in a mysterious circumstance. I mean, he's not giving a reason why he did what he did. Bernice Warden is the local, like, general store owner.

Yeah. And he had made sexual advances towards her, and she denied him because she was married oh gotcha and in a fit of rage is when he lashed out grabbed a gun and shot her wow so he was trying to get his willy wet he was yes and like and from my understanding that's what happened at the tavern also so both of the incidences of the woman the women that he did admit murdering were in ways that he was trying to make sexual advances towards them they were not having it one of them being married with like a whole ass family and he didn't know how to take that denial yeah in it good lord so in november 1957 uh gene robbed bernice at the nearby hardware store she owned and killed her.

Bernice's son, a police deputy, grew suspicious of Gein and a search of his remote farmhouse was carried out. So when he had murdered her, he drug her body out to the car, put her in there, and he wanted it to make it seem like a robbery right so he went back in and actually took the money so technically he did rob the store right but that i wonder did he really need the money or was he just doing it i think he was literally just like how can i get out of this right and this is how i'm gonna get out of it you can read the next one so while searching the property investigators discovered horrific scenes organs were stored in the refrigerator a heart sat atop above the kitchen stove and skulls had been made into soup and cereal bowls bernice's body was also found inside of a shed she had been suspended upside down decapitated disemboweled like a hunted animal he was trying

to replicate the feeling he had watching his parents slaughter that pig so that he would actually use these bowls from human skulls and eat his cereal soups and cooking utensils type things out of them that's crazy yeah the thought alone is just so so like he wouldn't fuck him but let me eat out of him yeah yeah i won't stick my dick in you but i'm gonna eat your brains pretty much i'm gonna eat your head out of your head searching the house authorities found four noses whole human bones and fragments nine masks of human skin bowls made from human skulls 10 female heads with the tops sawed off, human skin covering several chair seats, Mary Hogan's head in a paper bag, Bernice Warden's head in a burlap sack,

nine vulvas in a shoe box. Okay. I got to just pause right here. box okay i gotta just pause right here you just cut the vulvas off like not the whole pussy but you just cut the vulva like that is weird there had to have been like that seems like his trophy yeah skulls on his bedposts organs in the refrigerator a pair of lips on a drawstring for a window shade a belt made from human female nipples and a lampshade made from the skin from a human face i swear i just got when i was reading this entire list you know that song on the first day of christmas my true love gave me four noses sneezing you know like i i literally just fucking started singing that in my head. Like fucking there's so much shit that they found here. There's so much.

This is crazy. Like if you're eating right now, I'm sorry. I'm glad we don't have our food here. It's a reason that happened. This is literally. Tongue tied. I'm a little tongue tied with this situation. Because again, I kind of like, I don't know. I have a little tongue-tied with this situation because again i i kind of like

i don't know i have a little empathy i have none guy was like he's cutting vulvas off i have none i already have a disdain disdain for men in general so to know that he's just abusing women like this i'm like dude fuck off crazy bro but i don't know i don't believe the idea that he didn't have sexual advances towards them i i feel like there was definitely like you don't cut a pussy off and hang a pussy on the wall if there's not something yeah there sure yeah i wonder if someone ever did have sex with him later on in life like i wonder if he died a virgin or not i don't know i can't believe nobody asked him that i would have been the first person like hey did you actually get some puss or was it living puss or only dead puss which one was it yeah yeah because he didn't know how to connect the fact that his mother had frequently instilled

into him that women are instruments of the devil and vessels of skin likely played a significant part in his choice on victims and the demeaning way in which he treated their bodies so they feel like his rage and what he did was directly correlated to how his mother raised him yeah i mean you think the shit's fucking he's something he's fucking got a few screws loose this dude's fucking weird man yeah i don't empathize with him at all so he gives me gross gross feelings yeah like i don't know i just i feel like it's one of those situations that had he not been brought up that way do you think he would ever done it i mean you know he seems like a wild card his brother was brought up the same way and was fucking fine yeah you know

knew that shit was wrong he had discernment so i don't know i think you know everybody chooses their own path whether it be you know maybe he did get like some genetic shit from his parents but you morally know what's right or wrong it's true so that maybe that's where it falls into like the idea that he wasn't right in the head. Yeah, for sure. Definitely something was going on. Special needs-y. We're going to move on to conviction and sentencing. Although Gein was only charged with the murder of Bernice, he also confessed to the murder of Mary during questioning.

It is believed he was also responsible for other deaths, although this has never been proven. After his arrest, Gein was diagnosed with schizophrenia, which resulted in him pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. He was consequently deemed unfit for trial and sent to the Central State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. He was later transferred to Mendota State Hospital in Madison, Wisconsin. After a decade, Gein's doctors declared him sane enough for trial and within a week he was found guilty of murder. However, as he was still considered legally insane,

he remained in the hospital. While hospitalized, Gein proved himself to be a model patient and enjoyed reading, occupational therapy, and the radio. Up until his death in 1984 he was not known to display violent tendencies or cause any trouble with other patients or staff ed passed away from lung cancer what a model citizen what like like so i guess in silence of the lambs if you think about it they portrayed him very calm and very like but he was like you know to wear people's skin but he was a killer yeah yeah it's it's crazy to me because again once he got the help and i'm sure they medicated him within the mental hospital and such once he was given the help that his brain and the chemically unbalanced part of him needed

yeah he was fine i wonder if the schizophrenia caused him to disassociate from reality so him not knowing what he or what was he really schizophrenic did they just do that so that he would just not get put to death i don't know like who would have had his back in all this i mean there's there was so much evidence i feel like it was, bro, you insane because you don't do those things and not be that chemically unwell. Right. He had to have been so far gone and the isolation of it all didn't make it any better. So once he got that help that he needed and medicated, maybe that side of him really was just the schizophrenia. Like someone literally in his head being like, yo, go do those things.

Yeah. His mother in his head saying. Yeah. Yeah, possibly. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I feel fucking gross. I'm hungry. Oh, my God. The thought of eating food right now grosses me out, dude.

I would just stick it in a skull and just eat it. You're so gross. Well well what do you guys think about ed gein do you guys sympathize with him or not because i don't mimi does you guys think he's a serial killer i don't i don't think he's a serial killer i do agree with you on that but i do think there's something fucking he's a psychopath for sure yeah something's definitely wrong with him but i don't think he should be considered a serial killer no not at all i don't um i feel like someone who would be within like the serial killer vibe would be someone jeffrey dahmer yeah sought out the death and the thrill of the kill this guy was literally just mentally unwell jeffrey dahmer kind of seems like he might

have idolized gene a little bit maybe he you know you know, knew about Gein or something. Maybe he was Gein reincarnated. On that note, we're going to go eat. Love you guys. Thanks for tuning in to another episode and we will see you guys next week. Bye.