Dumb Blonde - DJ Paul: Three 6 Mafia Lore & New Music

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

The legendary and luminous DJ Paul is in the house this week! He talks with Bunnie about his Memphis roots, the early days of Three 6 Mafia, and how his love of creating beats and pushing musical boundaries shaped a sound that still influences hip-hop today. From selling mixtapes in high school to winning an Oscar, Paul opens up about the rollercoaster of fame and why building wealth beyond music has been key, from real estate to his new Beverly Hills restaurant, The Hideaway. He also clears the air on the Bone Thugs-N-Harmony beef and gives the scoop on what’s next, including new solo music and a collab with Krayzie Bone.DJ Paul: IG | Spotify Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dum Blom. Is this thing on? What's up you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumflaund. Today it's been a long time coming. I got my bubba in the house, Mr. DJ Paul, baby. Man, what's happening, man? It's been forever. Dude, I'm so happy you're here.

Man, I've been trying to get on here for a long time, but we always missing each other. You gotta take this on the road when we on tour, like just do it on the bus. I'm ready. I'm ready to do the tour, man. We're going to we're talking about it. But every time I try to go do a frickin on the road tour, somebody's like, no, you got to do this before. And I'm like, yeah, but we're going to do it soon. And one thing I noticed about touring and studios is it never happens. Yeah, like I always we bring all kind of Yeah. Like I always be like,

we bring all kinds of shit on the bus and we'd be like, oh man, we're gonna record an album on the off days. And shit. No. Man, the off days you'd be like at some fucking hotel, swimming pool with a barbecue grill and. Like you just, you want to enjoy your days off. That's what we did when I was on tour,

just this last tour, we brought all the podcast stuff and I was like, I'm going to interview everybody on the tour. Never fucking happen. Because I was just like, I didn't want to do hair and makeup. I didn't want to fucking like I was just like, no, please. So I trust me. I totally feel that it don't happen. I tell everybody that I meet about you. They're just like, he's such a G. He's so gangster. And I'm like, yes, he's all of that.

I said, but I always say Paul is the sweetest human you will ever meet. Like it is so crazy to me, which we're gonna get into all the three, six mafia sounds and stuff like that, that you guys do such dark music, but you are such a light of a human. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I've come to find that out with a lot of people.

I'm sure you have too, that you meet, you know, your journey, like some people you'll be like, hmm, I don't know if he's approachable, because they used to say the same thing about me till they meet me. And I've seen some guys and I'm like, I don't know about this. And then you come to find out they're super, super nice.

Yeah, and that's how it was with you. Because I remember when you guys, we were all touring together during that time I think was what two years ago, and I was like, oh my god I'm so nervous. I'm so nervous cuz I've got to meet you, but I never got to hang out with you And then we got to film those tik toks and stuff and I was like dude Paul is so funny and so sweet Yeah, no, it was so fun. So I did me one celebrity once Who was it and he was kind kinda like he was in the movies.

And I was like, I said, can I take a picture with you, man? He's like, you wanna take a picture with me, man? I said, oh yeah, I just asked that. And he's like, all right, man, come on, we'll take a picture. And I'm a huge fan of this dude, so no disrespect to him. But he don't, I don't, you know, I don't think that he did not wanna take the picture. I think he was kinda surprised that I wanted to take a picture with him.

Who was it? We're going to bleep the name. It was Alpha Karate Kid, the bad guy. Oh, but this was before they brought the new season back. This was like, you know, when he hadn't done in a while. So this was like, this is in 2010, yeah, 2010. Even more reason for him to be nice. He was nice. I think he just, I think he probably thought

that I was like joking with him or something. Cause maybe some people probably like, you know, you never know with people these days with the pranks and all this stuff. He's like, you don't take a picture of me, man. I'm like, yeah, I actually do, motherfucking like. I wouldn't have asked. Yeah, I wouldn't have asked.

I'm a huge fan, like dude. Don't make me crank kick you around this much. But yeah, so yeah, I think he kinda tripped out at first, but we took the picture and it was cool, and then I had my necklace on, my Oscar necklace on. I was like, yeah, by the way, man, three, six months ago we won an Oscar back then. He's like, by the way, man, uh, three, six months here We don't we want to ask him back there. He's like really

That's when the conversation got a little cool, so he probably didn't know who you were at first Okay, gotcha for sure. He didn't know who I was. Yeah, but sometimes I don't know who I am I know for a fact he didn't know Do you ever get do you ever get imposter syndrome? Like after you've, after everything you've accomplished in this life, all the lore that you have behind you, all the freaking awards and just all the accolades that you have behind you, do you ever just get imposter syndrome? What is that?

So what is like a definition of imposter syndrome? It's like you feel like, I kind of feel like you feel like you don't belong here or like you're not supposed to be here. Like you're not deserving. All the time, all the time. I just had this a couple of days ago. Yeah. So like, I just had this a couple of days ago

where I was like, you know, so like I own a lot of properties. That was like, at one point in my career I got a little nervous where I had, this was probably like in 2013, 14 or somewhere, you know, like three, six months had been gone for a while. I last, I was in 2009, we never made it out after that. But you know, but I was still making a lot of money, but I invested so much cash money into real estate

that I got a little nervous. I got a little nervous, but it worked. It worked like a motherfucker. I bought a house in Vegas for $550,000 in the late 2000s. It's so weird, because we still in the 2000s, but then it's kind of like broke down. It's so different. So around 2010-ish, I bought a house in Vegas

for $550,000, now their house is worth $3 million. Crazy, right? Yeah. I tell them all the time, because I'm a Vegas girl, which I heard you talking about how you lived in Vegas. I don't know how we never, we were all in the same circles. I heard you say that you loved Robin Leach, Lifestyles of Richard Champagne,

Wishes and Caviar Dreams, maybe. Are you kidding me? When I heard that I was like, yes, cause nobody knows that, you know, unless you were in Vegas and experienced it and actually got to watch it on TV growing up. Like not a lot of people know about that. So I don't know how we didn't run into each other in Vegas

because we were always around the same circles. Yeah, I don't know how either. It was crazy. And Robin Leach, if you ever partied with him, he was twice bro. He partied. Yeah, he partied. And I told him the same story every time I saw him about how I was 12 years old and I, my whole life is because of him. Yeah. So back to the imposter syndrome or whatever you call it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I spent all this money into real estate and I got a little nervous, you know, this and that. And it got to the point where I started feeling that like all of these investment properties that I bought, that if I went and bought myself a big house, and I was living in a big house in Vegas,

I still own this house. If I went to buy another big house for myself somewhere outside of Vegas, because I was kind of getting sick of being there all the time, I was thinking that I really did. I was like, do I really deserve this? I'm like, yeah, I work hard, I do,

but then I kind of don't. But then I was like, you know, you just started thinking about like, yeah, I work hard. I do. But then I kind of don't. But then I was like, you know, you just start thinking about like. Like, you know, yeah, do you do? Do you really deserve it? Yeah, no, I get I do it all the time. Like my husband tells me all the time, Jay, because he he deals with it better than I do. Like, I swear, Jay's built for frickin to be a politician. He remembers everybody's.

He will be. Yeah, he remembers. please don't speak that in our life. But he literally can like shake hands and kiss babies all day long. And I just feel like, I don't know, sometimes I feel like I don't belong there, you know? And he's like, baby, you have to realize, like you've worked this hard and you have worked so hard and like created such a freaking legacy

that if anybody deserves to buy as many houses as they want, it's you. You can never go wrong with land or real estate, dude. Yeah, you can't. You can't. It's the thing. Like, I just wish more young celebrities, rappers, actors, you know, podcasts, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing in life, just like put more money into real estate. I preach it enough, every interview I've ever did from this person to that person,

I always said like, this, the jury, this and that, like I got a couple of pieces of jury, you know, I got, the jury is just for show with me. It's just for show. When I put this on for this podcast, I had to dig and find shit, we came over here with this shit in a Ziploc bag. I don't even have the cool stuff to put it in. Like the little watch things on the countertop that turn the Rolexes to keep.

Man, my Rolex is in a crown roll bag. Like I have traveled, I have traveled every time we go on tour, my jewelry is in a, in a Ziploc bag or a Crown Royal bag. We had a Crown Royal bag too. Yeah. Swear to God. Crown Royal bag. I did a YouTube maybe three months ago about a Crown Royal bag and it basically went viral. People were like, oh, this shit.

Have you ever seen the orange one and the special edition? I was like, man, all I know is the purple one. Yeah, me too. But everybody starts talking about all these limited edition ones. I never like, man, all I know is the purple one. Yeah, me too. But everybody start talking about all these limited edition ones. I never even know, but yeah. Never. I got a little jewelry just for show.

You know, I was on a tour in Houston. You from Houston, right? Yes, yes. Tour in Houston, went by TV Johnny, you know. And I was like, yeah, you know, the tour been good. I've been touring for three months. I guess I gave myself a little necklace and bought this little, you know, and I was like, yeah, you know, the tour been good, I've been touring for three months. I guess I give myself a little necklace and bought this little, you know, Cuban link or whatever,

but I don't wear this shit around, this and that. I put all of my money into, to, you know, real estate and investment. On the inside, everybody I tell you, I'm a gangster rapper on the outside, but on the inside, I think I'm like a 65 year old white woman. I'm a gangster rapper on the outside, but on the inside, I think I'm like a 65 year old white woman.

I watch HGTV and the Food Network all the time. When I'm in my studio, my whole YouTube is just home decorations, three hours of the best looking mansions and this and that, I'm just taking pictures. That's why when I walked in here, I'm like, hey man, what's the name of this wallpaper? I wanna get some of this, man. I like those ficus trees you got outside.

You know, I'm that dude. I love that. But okay, so what was your first piece of property that you ever bought? It was in an area outside of Memphis called Cordova, Tennessee. And now it's, I heard it's all crazy as hell now, but back then, we talking about 1997, man,icy bought two houses right next door to each other. And it was no, it was

nobody out there. There was nobody out there. That was the first one. That's amazing though. And did you end up flipping it and just selling it? Yeah, that's all good. I love that. But I don't flip houses no more. No. I keep them in our rental. Oh, that's good though.

Yeah, cause when you flip them, you got a Passive income, right? Capital gain and all that, if it's less than two years or whatever, this and that, but you know, that's money out of your pocket right there. So I was watching this infomercial one night and this infomercial said, when you pass away, you can't always leave your talents

to your kids. Cause you know, I don't want my kids to be rappers in any fucking way, but you can't always leave your talents to your kids, but you can't leave property to your kids. When I saw him say that, that stuck in me. I was like, man, that's the truth. It's real. Yeah.

No, that is real. And now I read, I don't know if you've seen this, I read that they trying to turn America kind of like what it is in China, where they call it forever rentals. No, educate me, please. I've never heard of this. Forever rentals.

So like some Wall Street guys just went and bought like 1500 homes in Vegas that they turned into just rentals. You can't buy them. You can only rent them. Forever. Forever. Yeah. How?

Like, so they just don't sell them? Like... They won't sell them. OK, gotcha. So if you want to live in them, you you gotta rent it for the rest of your life. You'll never have equity in that house. You know, it's like that dude, some dude said at one point, he said,

in the future you will own nothing and be happy. You know, and that's what's really going on. Wow. That's what's really going on. Like I'll look at some condo buildings and some of these condo buildings, you'll go to them, you'll be like, oh man, I look at some condo buildings and some of these condo buildings, you'll go to them, you'll be like, oh man, it's a nice condo. Like how much are these?

And they'll be like, they're not for sale, they only for rent. I'm like, really? I'm like, this don't look like an apartment. This look like a condo. They're like, well, it started out to be a condo, but then the owners changed, the investors changed their mind and said they wanted to be apartments.

So the investors are from other countries though, or is it American investors also? Who knows? Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying this. A lot of these are popping up. Like they got a real popular building in basically Beverly Hills in LA. I'm sure you've passed it a million times.

It's on Santa Monica Boulevard. Soon as you turn in, soon as Santa Monica split with big Santa Monica and little Santa Monica going into Beverly Hills, there's a big building right there called the 10,000 building. I've seen tons of celebrities in this building and a one bedroom started $10,000 a month all the way up to the top one with his own pool that's $65,000 a month.

Rent. You can't buy these. Wow. I could never, I would feel sick to my stomach if I was just paying somebody else's rent. Yeah, it's cool for six months. If you relocate and you're like, oh, I wanna live in Beverly Hills

and I wanna see how it is. I wanna go to the mall and this and that. $10,000 a month. But you can afford that if you're moving over there. I hope you can. You're hustling backwards if you're not. So $10,000 a month to live in that area and get a feel of it before you go spend

$5 million or something. That makes sense. That makes sense. But you know, like doing that forever. Only way that makes sense is if you got the rest of that money in the best investments in the world. Yeah, but I mean, even that seems just so frivolous though to like wanna just, I mean, if you're blowing 65 grand

a month on rent, you obviously have it. So that don't make sense in no way. But I mean, if you can afford it, then obviously you can make it work somehow, but not forever. No. Like there's no way. Yeah, that's crazy. No, that would, I couldn't do that.

So I wanted to kind of bring my listeners on a journey with you because you have so much lore to you. And I wanted to kind of, you know, take it back to your childhood in Memphis, growing up, you know, tell me what that was like. I know you've told this story a million times, but I know there's a bunch of listeners that probably are just getting to know you from my podcast. I really just want to paint that picture of where you came from, to where you are now.

Growing up in Memphis, take me on that ride, because it was in the 80s and 90s, right? Yeah, yeah. I grew up in Memphis in the 80s and 90s. And the 80s and 90s were elite. Yeah, it was the best. I was born in 80. So, I mean, there's nothing that compares

from 80 to the 2000s, dude. Yeah, it was the best, man. You know, like, that's the best time. Like, I was just talking about this to my friend a couple of days ago, like, I like watching these movies or looking at these pictures of all of the, you know, not to, some people look at this and be like, oh, why is he glamorizing, you know, drug dealers

and this and that, but it's not about, it's not about the drug dealers. It's just about the whole swag of that in the eighties. Like when you watch the paid and full movie, you see the troop jackets and the eight ball jacket. You remember the eighties, like when you watch the paid and full movie, you see the troop jackets and the eight ball jacket. You remember the eight ball jacket? Eight ball jackets. You know, the Kangos. The ambiance of that generation was just insane. Yeah, and the old 500 Mercedes with the skirts on it.

Yes, yes. AMG wheels. I mean, a lot of stuff is still around and happening today. They just don't know it. It's modernized. Modernized. So like, you know, like these Louis Vuitton and Gucci bag, it was the same designs back then. So, you know, like I grew up in that, you know, my brother was a big drug dealer. He went to federal prison. How many brothers and sisters do you have? Because I couldn't find an answer on that when I Googled that. Yeah, I'm still looking for that answer myself,

actually. Okay, gotcha. I love it, though. Yeah, a lot. I got a six ish six ish brothers. Because my mom and my dad, they had, you know, kids, you know, separately, but I got around six, you know, kids, you know, separately, but I got around six, six, seven brothers and, you know, four sisters ish. But, um, so you're going to have a bunch of people reaching out to you after this interview. Hey, I'm your brother. I'm your sister. Yeah. Yeah. Once that I noticed my brother, no, motherfucker. You got this one, bro. So, you know, I grew up in that world. I grew up in that world. My brother was, you know, in that world

and, you know, all his friends. So I was a kid, you know, looking at all that. I'm looking at new Mercedes pull-up, new Corvettes pull-up to the house and this and that. I'm just like, man. And then I went to school down the street from this house of these big drug dealers in Memphis, like the most popular drug dealers in Memphis, like the most popular drug dealers

in Memphis history had a house on the exact street that my junior high school was at. So you grew up around hustling. Yeah. Like you just saw it from the gate. Every day, every day I saw just a driveway full of Corvettes and Mercedes and this and that, you know, not in my parents' house, but like my brother's house

and the houses in the neighborhood. All these guys was in my neighborhood. What's one of the wildest things you saw growing up in Memphis during that time? As a child. Did I saw or heard about? That like left an imprint on you, something that left an imprint on you.

Oh, this guy got killed for $34 in a dice game upstream of my auntie house. Oh no, 34? That right there let me know that people would do anything for anything. Wow, what a life lesson to take with you as a young child. Yeah, I didn't physically see it. I was there. It happened over the street. You know, my family members started running

this and that and he was running all in. I like what happened there like, you know, got this guy, but they're having a lot in the 80s. You know, people get killed over dice games, man. There's a lot of people dead or dice guy. Yeah, no other because you walk around, you can walk around these two little fucking cubes in your pocket. That would be your man for the day. If you knew how to play. Yeah, absolutely.

I grew up in Vegas, so everybody had dice in their hands. All the boys always had dice. Well, if you ain't got nothing, you could make you a few dollars off dice. Yeah. So that dude, they killed that dude over thirty four dollars. He probably looked at the man back then. Shit, a fucking a combo meal was like $4. So he had about a week's worth of food he lost right there. Oh man.

Sad. That is sad, I hate that. That was that right there set the tone for me. How close were you with your brothers and sisters growing up? Super close. All of them or? Yeah, all of us lived in, well, I was the youngest.

When I was born, it was only, well, I was the youngest. When I was born, it was only two brothers still living in the house. But my sister lived next door. All of us kind of lived in the same neighborhood. So you're the baby? Yeah, I'm the youngest. Aw, I never knew that about you. Yeah, I'm the baby.

I love that. The youngest in charge. Yes. Special ed. What was your relationship with your mom? Because I know you've touched base on that a couple of times. Yeah, it was real good. It was real good.

You know, I live with my mom. I was, I lived with my mom all the way up to the point we recorded our old Three 6 Mafia albums in my mom's house. Wow. Yeah, not all of them, but like all of the underground stuff was recorded in my mom's house. So everybody met my mom, even some guys who I'm not cool with, who was never even a part of our group, been in my house at least probably one time recording and met my mom.

Everybody met my mom. My mom was super cool. Me and my mom had a super close relationship. And when my dad passed away, I bought my mom. My mom was super cool. Me and my mom had a super close relationship and when my dad passed away, I bought my mom a house. How old were you when your father passed? Probably like 30 something. Oh, okay. So it was when you were older.

Yeah, I was older. It wasn't when you were a child. Okay. Yeah, both of them passed and I was in my 30s. Now my dad in my 20s, my mom in my 30s. Right. Was mom always supportive of your choice in doing music? Oh yeah.

My mom used to take me to the organ lessons. I played, I took organ lessons. Aw, I love that. Can you still play? Yeah, of course. I still play on all of my music. Where did your inspiration and your drive to want to do music come from? So we was the only... My daddy owned a company.

So even though we lived in a bad neighborhood, we was one of the people who had the better house in a bad neighborhood. Right. So like we was the ones when you ride through the bad neighborhood and you see, you see what they built on the back of the house that happened all the time in the hood. Yeah. Like instead of buying a big house, they just built on the back of the house. Yes.

Shit didn't even match. You would be a different color, different material. Front of house would be brick, the back of it would be wood, whatever. Yeah. I lived in one of those houses and my daddy built on like an extra few bedrooms and a whole nother den in the back for my brothers. So we had cable when cable first came out, we had cable. So I would be sitting on the floor,

like this close to the TV watching MTV when it first came out. I MTV when it first came out. I remember when MTV first came out. I wish they would bring MTV back. It's just the nostalgia alone. Yeah, yeah, but if they bring it back, they should just play old shit, not new shit. Yeah, I feel like there's no, we'll get to that later,

but yeah, for sure. The music nowadays is just, it's not like it used to be. Yeah, it's some good music out, but you know, it's just, it's different. Yeah, we be. Yeah, it's some good music out. But you know, it's just it's different Yeah, we're gonna never never gonna compare but um, I Was planning in front of the TV watching MTV You know watching all these guys I grew up on rock music and I think that's what contribute to making the three six mafia sound and

Excuse me the rowdiness and the wildness, like tear the club up, hit a motherfucker and stuff like that. It's, it came from me growing up on rock music. What was like your favorite rock band growing up? What were some of the van Halen? Yes. That's the first CD I ever stole was a van Halen and got caught was stealing a van Halen CD. Yeah. I just bought an Eddie Van Halen EVH guitar.

Oh, no. I got it at the house now. I got to hang up. I got a huge guitar collection, but there was, you know, Jump was one of my favorite songs. Still is one of my favorite songs of all time. The guitars in that is insane. Yeah. And the synths. And the synthesizers. Yeah. The synthesizers, because a lot of these rock girls back in the day, they didn't have

keyboard players. They just relied on guitars and drums, but I liked when they added some keys in there. Because I'm a keyboard player. So that was dope on the end. So just watching MTV, your mom, you know how? Oh, and I had, I'm sorry, I'm gonna cut you out. Yeah, you're good.

My uncles had a gospel group. Yes, I don't mean to cut you out. Yeah, you're good. My uncles had a gospel group. Yes, I was just about to get to that. Did you ever get to sing with them? And what were they called? They were called- The Bogard Brothers. The Bogard Brothers. And I never, no, I never even seen them perform.

I was too young. Oh, okay. But my uncle taught me about publishing. And- At a young age? Yeah, at a young age. That's amazing. Yeah, uncle taught me about publishing. At a young age? Yeah, at a young age. That's amazing. Yeah, he taught me about publishing. That's what saved my life.

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that you're gonna take with you forever. I always say like in high school, they should teach like a credit and business class because literally you'll, and like learn how to balance your checkbooks and stuff like that, because little gems like that of what he taught you, you've carried through life.

Yeah, but it don't work like that because they don't want you to win, win. They make more money off you losing. Right, well, yeah. Just like the health system, they keep you sick, you know? So yeah, totally. Yeah, they make more money off of that, so. So you never got to see the Bogard brothers perform.

No. Okay. But did you grow up listening to their music? Yeah. Hell yeah. They was jamming. Yeah. Love that. So you decided to start DJing when you were in 10th grade? Yeah. 10th grade. So basically at 10th grade, I brought out our first,

our first EP, me and Lil' Nef was, it was called A Serial Killers. Yes. And then I started DJing as a way just to promote our music. Right. So I would make mixtapes where I would be playing like the hottest artists like NWA, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, whatever, whatever. And then I would ease in one of our songs. Yes.

And then I would come to school the next day and they'd be like, hey man, what was that fourth song on there? I'm like, I gotta think, I don't know. That was me, motherfucker. You like it? You like it? Huh? Huh?

It works. It works. We got something. Yeah, so that was my way of promoting. And then eventually turned into just our songs. Yes, I love that. Can we dive into you and Lord Infamous a little bit? Because that's your half brother, correct?

Yeah. You guys were extremely close growing up. Yeah. Yeah. And was it you or was it him that brought the horror core? Because who was the who was really both of us? OK, so both of us love to watch horror movies. What's your favorite one? Takes a chance. I'll ask original. OK, gotcha. horror movies. What's your favorite one? Texas Chainsaw Massacre Original. Okay, gotcha. That's Mimi's over there. Not to be bringing up Texas because you here, but even if he wasn't here, that's one of

my favorite movies. I didn't even think about it like that. I love it. That's a great movie. Yeah, it was loosely based off a true story, which I like true crime. Yeah. I watched true crime all day. Oh, literally.

Jay and I fall asleep watching it. I'm obsessed with it. Yeah You guys were the original people who who started that because I remember back in the day whenever I first heard about you guys It was like you brother Lynch Bone came along and started their like dark occultic stuff too And then maybe spice one a little bit. You know, like, so I mean, there wasn't too many people who were dabbling in that. Were you guys practicing behind the scenes or was it just something that you guys were into, like, you know, the the occultic themes and stuff like that? Yeah, we were just into we were just into horror movies.

And, you know, growing up in Memphis, you know, you kind of live in a horror movie. Yeah. It rains a lot and it's just a dark city. And I think that's the reason why the music is so great. It has always been great out of that city. So we grew up, you know, watching horror movies. And then I had a guy a long time ago give me a serial killer's book, the old Time Life magazine, you remember them?

Time Life? Yes. And they would be running the commercials at night like, oh, you can get this World War II. Yes. They'd send you all these books in the mail, where they had a collection of serial killers, serial killer books.

And this guy I know, he came across one, some kind of way. I was like, hey man, ain't the collection like 12 bucks? And I ain't got 12, I got this one, you want it or not? I'm like, yeah, I want it, get it to me. And I had that one little serial killer book and I studied it, I studied it. And like right now I got a collection of all of the serial killers framed,

black and white photos, black frames, black and white photos of all of the serial killers, framed black and white photos, black frames, black and white photos of all of the serial killers in my house and I started studying serial killers. It's kind of like it just a, I don't want to say obsession, but a fixation possibly. Yeah, you know what? I just got into how, you know, obviously they did terrible, terrible things.

Yeah. But what I more got into was the organization of it. The organization of it. You know, like you had guys that, you know, like, I'm only going to, you know, like the Zodiac killer. Like only this person with this birthday. Like if I go up and this person got a different birthday, then I'm gonna let this person live or whatever.

It's all fucked up people, don't get me wrong. But it was just something about the organization of it that got into my head. No, I understand it because I actually, I don't know if you saw, but I got in trouble for wanting to bring a murderer on the podcast. And that was a whole debacle that I had to learn from in this generation now.

But back in the day, I loved to figure out what made them tick. What makes you want to take somebody's life? How can you eat somebody? You know, like, if I had a chance to sit down with Jeffrey Dahmer, I would do it. You know? And like get inside his head and try to figure it out.

I think it's just, it's so morbid and so taboo that people are drawn to it because we're just like, how did this happen? You know, like, what the fuck did you do this? Yeah. Yeah. What made you do this? And like, you what more what I'm what I'm more curious about is a lot of these dudes had full families at home. Crazy, right? And I'm like, where did your wife, what did,

like, I'm not trying to cheat. How did your wife not know? Yeah, like, I'm not trying to cheat on my girl or not, but what excuse was you using to be gone all night? Like, we kind of, like, imagine that, the Ted Bundy book of excuses for your wife. Yes. Yeah. Like, dude, what of excuses for your wife. Yes. Yeah.

Like, dude, what was you telling your wife when you was gone all night and you was sleeping with three dead bodies next to a lake? Like when you came home, like, I'm sure you smelled like hell. Yeah, yeah. Like, and just her energy. Like, how do you even, how do you go from murdering somebody in the most heinous way to going home

and being a doting father and husband. It's insane to me. Like, how do you make that switch? Well, one thing about it is most serial killers, you know, not to get into racism or nothing, but most serial killers was white. Cause black serial killers couldn't have did that because when you come home to a black woman,

she'd be like, let me smell your dick. Yeah, absolutely. Ted Bundy ass would have been busted just off a dick smell. Save so many lives. Yeah, no, you're so real. You're so real. Who did that skit? Let me smell your dick.

I forget there was a comedian who did the let me smell your dick and I fucking lost it. Yeah, I didn't see that. But that's what happens in real life with black women. I'll have to send it to you. No, I believe't see that, but that just happens in real life with black women. I'll have to send it to you. No, I believe it 100%. So taking it back to you and Lord Infamous in 89, you guys dropped the serial killers together. He would rap and you would make the beats.

Yeah, I wrapped up like one or two songs. Did you not want to rap? No, I didn't. I still don't want to rap. Really? I hate rapping. Stop it. I can make beats all day. I can make a beat right here I didn't. I still don't want to rap. Really? I hate rapping. Stop it. I can make beats all day. I can make a beat right here doing this interview. I love making beats. If it was up to me, you know, like,

I would sit up and make beats 24 hours a day if I could. I just have other businesses and stuff. But I hate writing raps. To sit down and write a rap, you got to think about like, oh, what kind of shoes are these little niggas wearing? And what's the new sands? And I don't even know. I would think that making a beat would be way more intricate than making a rap.

Well, it just depends on the person. Right. You know, like you got, you got some people that can make a rap so easy. It's just cause the wordplay is just in them or whatever. And then you got some people that just, music is in them. It's easier to make music. Because when it comes to music, excuse me. You're okay.

When it comes to music, what makes music more easier is because music just really, nothing against the lyricist, but music just kind of comes from the heart and from the rhythm, and then you give it to the lyricist and you let him write about what he think the people want to hear. Like a musician don't really go in and make a beat because people want to hear this.

And if they do, they're probably making a mistake. You just go in and you just make what feels right. And then that's why a lot of musicians end up with a lot of beats that never see the face of the earth because they'd be like, ah, this sounds good, but I think I'm the only person in the world who actually liked this. You can't dance to this and you can't do this

and do that, blah, blah, blah. But they just never know. Sometimes just a simple instrumental would be something for people to clean the house too, blah, blah, blah, but they just never know. Sometimes just a simple instrumental would be something for people to clean the house too, or do homework too, or whatever. I think that's why the lo-fi is so popular now. All that, but with songs, writing the lyrics

and coming up with hooks and coming up with choruses, there's gotta be something that's gonna drive people in a way, you know? You gotta drive them. Like, you know, like you got to drive them like, you know, like if you're a good lyricist, you can take just a simple drum beat with a kick snare and a hi-hat and spit the right the right vocals over the top of it and people are going to go crazy. Right. But if you walk in here with just a drum beat with nothing over the top of it, people are going to be like, OK, some is he going to do something else or is this it?

So it's like the beat is a vibe and the lyrics are the energy. The beat is the energy. Okay. And the lyrics are the vice was keep them, uh, keep their attention. Gotcha. And, uh, and find the spot, find the sweet spot. Whether it's an emotional record or it's an energetic record. Right. This and that. It's only so much music can give you feeling obviously. Yeah, absolutely.

But then, you know, after a while you kinda wanna know what else is going on. Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes, sometimes not. When you explain it that way, it makes perfect sense. Bringing it back to you and Lord Infamous, can you give me a memory with him that you've never told anyone but you still think about? I'll have to think.

We can always circle back. I'll probably wait to tell that one. OK, I say them for the Paul movie. I got you. I got you. So around this time, when you're dropping these mixtapes and you and Lord Infamous are doing these songs together, when does Juicy J come on the scene? When do you meet Juicy J? About two years later, like 92, maybe late 91.

I just said 92 to be on the safe side. Another guy who I was producing was friends with Juicy. And he told me about Juicy and he was like, hey, here's a dude named, I had heard of Juicy through his mixtapes, but I didn't know him personally. And I would just see his tapes when I would go drop off my tapes at the stereo stores.

And he was like, this dude named Juicy J wants you to help him make some, want to make some beats with you. Cause Juicy didn't really play the keyboard. I played the keyboard. So he was like, he wants you to, help him make some beats, this and that. So, he started coming over my house

and I would help him make some beats. And then we started finding that we had a groove, that we vibed together really good on making beats. And then it just went from there. So you guys pretty much just had a love of music together and then that developed the friendship between you guys. How was you guys as friendship when you guys were younger? Was it always like best friends or did you guys actually like, you know,

kind of like butt heads because it was creative direction? No, we never but has all good. We never but has, we never butt heads. Oh, good. We never butt heads. You know, like, I would always listen to what he had to say and he would always listen to what I had to say. And we just like, we just kind of went with the flow because we saw that it worked. Right.

You know, so if I'd be like, no, I don't think we should do it like this. We should do it like that. And he'd be like, let's go. And then, you know, vice versa. And we think we should do it like this. We should do it like that. And he'd be like, that's cool. And then, you know, vice versa. And we just, and it just like that. Because if you start putting, you know, too much disagreeing with it,

then it's just, it's probably not meant to be anyway. Right. You know, so we never had that issue. I love that it was always fluid for you guys. Yeah. You guys have, you know, publicly said that you guys were speaking about drugs before, like, anybody else was speaking about drugs in the industry. You guys were very vocal about it. When did your drug use start?

Oh, God. Oh, well, like weed or the hard stuff? I mean, just your journey. We started in, we started in seventh grade. Wow. I sold weed in the seventh grade. Because you were just a product of your environment about what you saw growing up. Yeah, because back in the day,

weed was like, it was like scraps. Yeah. You know, so like my brothers and everybody that was in the game, like keys and all, that was where the money at. Like they would throw away weed. Like weed would just like, right here. We would just be laying around the house,

just like, oh damn, we got a pound of weed. Yeah. They don't even see this. Nobody cared about weed back then, like that. Yeah. You know, like now people are making millions of dollars off weed, but back in those days, like, weed, get out here.

Don't know if I want no weed. Cause the rich man's drug was cocaine. Yes. Yeah, and nobody was trying to go to sleep. Right. He was trying to stay up and party. The eighties for sure. And the nineties.

Yeah, like, come on man, you mean to tell me you want me to pay you to go to sleep? I don't need to pay to go to sleep. I can do that on mys. Yeah. Come on, man. You mean to tell me you want me to pay you to go to sleep? I don't need to pay to go to sleep. I can do that on my own. Yeah. Nope. I agree. So you started smoking weed in seventh grade. And then when, when did it start progressing? Uh, it started progressing when our first album came out. Okay. The album right there, Mystic Styles on that football behind your head.

Okay. So it started progressing after three, six mafia. Yeah, it was OK. So let's let's circle back then. So you mean just juicy J. You guys are vibing Lord Infamous is in on this. You guys decide what it gangsta boo step on the scene. Oh, like. Ninety three ish. OK, so she was like right behind, right behind Juicy.

Yeah, yeah. I rest in peace, boo. We, I got to meet her the one time that she came and did my podcast and she almost beat me up on the podcast. I was so nervous because I was still new to the podcast thing. That's why I'm glad you're here now because you know, if I'd interviewed you a couple years ago, I was just so nervous. And I just wanted to do some perfect with her and I forgot her first album name and

I had to look down at my notes and she's and she flipped out. Oh, I can imagine. I can imagine. I can imagine. I know, but it don't take much. She flipped out. Country was there. Country got scared and thought he was going to have to break up a fight.

Like it was crazy. But then by the end of the interview, she was my best friend. Yeah. Yeah. She flipped like that. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was crazy. Yeah. She was flipped like that. Yeah. So how did Boo become a part of Three Six? We went to school together. Okay. All of us went to school together, except Juicy. Juicy was from the north side. All the rest of us was from the south side. Okay. Yeah. So we went, we went to school together. Yeah, I love that. So we got all these members now and then you guys decide to form three, six mafia. Yeah. How did you guys

come up with the name three, six mafia because there's been so much speculation to you guys as a name because it does have 666 in it. They came from that. Okay, tell me. Basically, Lord Infamous has said Triple Six Mafia in a song. That wasn't even our group name. He just said it. He was just like, a Triple Six Mafia, and a silencer. He said something like that.

And I liked that. And I was like, whoa, that's dope. And I just started sampling, Triple Six Mafia, and that became really popular's dope. And I just started sampling, triple six mafia, mafia. And that became really popular with us. And that still wasn't our name. Right. I would just sample it. And then, you know, when it was time to form a group, I was like, hey, we should call ourselves triple six mafia.

And everybody liked it. And then next thing I know, white fans came like that. They flocked to us. Next thing I know, we got a call to do a show in Bartlett, Tennessee. I'm like, Bartlett, Tennessee? I'm like, I don't even know if black folks can go out there. And then the next thing I know,

we just start doing shows in number white clubs. Really? After you named the group 3-6 Mafia. Triple 6 Mafia. Triple 6 Mafia. Yeah. That's crazy. I know Lord Infamous has gone on record

to say that he dabbled in like Satanism and all that stuff. He didn't do that for real. He didn't. They all know. I just watched an interview with him last night where he was talking about how he went to hell and demons were torturing him and like it was crazy and I was just high. Yeah. OK. I grew up singing amazing grace in the church and I was playing the organ. Everybody know that. Every Sunday in Mississippi, it don't get no more church. Yeah.

I'm Mississippi church. Yeah, for sure. I love that you call him out like that though. You're like, no, that's my brother. No, he grew up singing amazing grace. So there was no real satanic reasoning behind the name. The lore has always just kind of like your reputation precedes you. Yeah, it was just an image. It was just something that was cool.

Like I said, we did study killers and stuff like that, but we never studied Satan or anything. I don't know nothing about all that. So from 90 to 94, you guys ended up dropping 16 mixed tapes, you by yourself, and then also with three, six or triple six, correct? Yeah. Okay. So take me on this journey. What's like an insane, an insane story from the early days of three, six mafia that's never been told, like a fight, a robbery, a wild tour moment. We got into it, we got into it.

Oh my God, we had a crazy one at a skating ring in Arkansas. Man, that one right there was wild. Really? Yeah, it was a skating ring in Arkansas, West Memphis, Arkansas. They used to always have rap concerts there. And man, we went there one day and behind the scenes we had a little situation going on with some guys from

Arkansas, but they didn't end up getting squashed. We was all just young or whatever, but we ended up getting super, super loved from that part. It was just that little one part of Arkansas. we ended up getting super, super love from that part. It was just that little one part of Arkansas. But for whatever reason, back in the day, Arkansas and Memphis people, back in the 90s, not no more, they always got into it. I don't know what it was. But so we went to West Memphis, Arkansas to do this concert. And next thing I know, it's like 900 people there.

Next thing I know, somebody in 900 people that next day I know somebody in the crowd had threw a skate at us. It was a skating ring. Threw a skate. And I was like, okay, here we go. I knew this was going to come. And I was like, all right, I'm not going to pay attention to this one. Kept on rapping.

Somebody threw another skate. I said, hey, y'all keep throwing these skates, man. We're going to leave. So rapping, three more songs came on. Somebody threw another skate. I was like, all y'all keep throwing these skates, man. We're gonna leave. So rapping, three more songs came on, somebody threw another skate. I was like, all right, I'm out of here. We started leaving about it. The next day I noticed 900 people started surrounding us, following behind us. Crunchy turned around and pulled out a gun like this, like, get back, motherfuckers. This and that. So they sat back. We went up in the dressing room. We went up in the

office. We went up in the office of the promot went up in the office, we went up in the office of the promoter. They started beating on the door. Boom, boom, come out of there mother fucker, come out of there mother fucker. Crush open the door, put the gun in the bag back like that. And we was looking at the cameras, they was surrounded outside the door. I was like, bro, I was like, you know, I told the dude, I was like, look, you can call the police or we can shoot our way up out of this mother fucker. Whichever way you want to do it. Cause we got, it's four of us and all of us got, now it's, now it's probably like eight of us.

I said, there's eight of us and everybody in here got a gun on them. So you just let me know how you want us to get up out of here. A bunch of Memphis gangsters too. Yeah, yeah. Like everybody in three, six miles away was in a gang or some crazy shit.

So I'm like, look, dude, you call the police and get us out of here or we can get ourself out of here. This and that. This man picked up the phone. He looked at me and he said, the phones are dead. No. I said, what? I'm like, what kind of pre-set 13 movie shit is that?

I'm like, how is the phones dead? I'm like, there's no way they climbed up on the roof and cut the phone. I'm like, you know what? All right, we'll get ourself up out of here. This and that, we opened the door and we just, you know, we just like didn't pull them out, but we just kind of like they're just showing them

with our hands up on there. We made our way to the car, man, and punched that motherfucker. Yeah. Punched. Were you guys like inside? Were you guys like trembling? Like it's one thing to have to portray something to the outside. Was we, was we scared? I was a little scared. I wasn't

scared to the point. Like I thought I was going to get killed. I just was scared to the point. I was like, man, it's probably going to be a massacre up in this one. Cause I'm like, you know, we got to shoot our way to the car. And then by time then, I mean, we can't, you know, like we can't and don't want to hurt 900 people. No, like somebody's going to make it to their car. Oh, well, and we got to get all the way to the Mississippi bridge. Then we got to get over this bridge.

It was like, you know, I'm just going to thank God that nobody get hurt. Yeah. Well, you know, like they didn't have no security there. What the hell? The venue didn't have security or anything. We didn't have security. No, you know, you they didn't have no security there. What the hell, the venue didn't have security or anything? We didn't have security. No, you know, you're talking about the- This is the early days.

Early 90s. Were the crowds that you guys played for pretty rowdy? Cause I would think like, yeah, I would think like with some of you guys's music. Yeah, super rowdy. Yeah. Super rowdy. This was back when there was no phones in the club.

Yeah, so people were just all focused on you guys. Yeah. So if somebody was all focused on you guys. Yeah. So if somebody was in a bad mood or having a bad mood that day, they were fucking taking it out on everybody. That's crazy. So take me on this journey with you guys. When you dropped your album, I had heard in an interview, you said, I think it was the

one in 2005 that you guys dropped and you, you paid $4,500 for it. That was 95. 95, sorry, 95. And you guys paid $4,500 for it and turned it into like 45 million. Yeah, over 45 million now. That's insane. Obviously, over these. Yeah, it turned it to 45 million fast.

You know, it was the same album. Mystic Styles, our first album. But we didn't make 45. Sorry, my notes froze. That's why I didn't have the right year. Yeah, 95. Yeah. We didn't make $45 million off that album alone, obviously, but just in that movie is what started our career. And you know, it went on to, you know, we're not three, six mafia and the mafia knowledge worth, you know, hundreds of millions now, but it, that's what started it all. $4,500. Me and Juicy put, you know, 22.5 together each.

And split it and made that album. Is it crazy for you guys to ever just like, do you guys ever, you and Juicy just ever have a moment alone where you guys look at each other and just laugh because of where you guys came from and how the odds were stacked against you and how you guys scraped up $2,200 each to put towards this goal and it's turned into this huge, just amazing, amazing legacy.

Yeah, man, him never really did that, but I've done that, you know, with, with some other people listening and just, you know, just thought about it. Like I have this conversation a lot of times with like best, best friends from my neighborhood that I grew up with. And they'd be like, especially my friend, Little Larry, he can't stop talking about it. He'd be like, man, I remember when you, that's how he talked.

Man, I remember when you, man, man, man, when you used to ride around that man, Paul, Paul, you remember when you used to, he reminds me of stuff that, Paul, you remember when you used to be trying to sell stuff that, that, Paul, you remember when you used, be trying to sell them tapes, you had that little brown bag, that little brown, your momma makeup bag,

that little brown bag with them tapes that he tried to sell them tapes at school. You remember that? You remember that? I'd be like, yes, Larry, I remember that. He drunk, it's two in the morning. He can't stop talking about all this shit. I'd be like, yes, Larry, I remember when I had

my momma's brown makeup bag. I feel like friends like that Larry, I remember when I had my mama's brown makeup bag. And all that. I feel like friends like that are so essential though to kind of humble us. Yeah, well to remind us of shit that we did. Yeah, absolutely. Cause he also reminded me, man you remember you got drunk that time?

And I was like, shut up Larry, I gotta go, I gotta go to sleep. I love that. So 2000, you guys dropped Sippin' On Some Sc scissor and that's when I, I think late night tip sipping on some scissor and, uh, what there was then your album after that 2005 was kind of like when I became a huge three, six fan. Cause I was on the West coast. So the Southern rappers that I listened to were outcastast, 8Ball, MJG, and you guys. And I mean, you guys took the world by storm.

And this was before anything was viral. How did you guys manage to do that? How did you guys manage to take this from Memphis and spread it all the way across the world? Well, how it happened was, it was about the timing. It was about the timing of, like I was it was about the timing. It was about the timing of like I was just talking about the cassette tapes that I sold in high school. Because what happened was, you know, if I wouldn't have been in school, none of this would have happened. If I would have been graduated and

I was out, none of this wouldn't have happened. The school was my distribution. Wow. And the timing of it. See, remember what you said earlier, I was in the 10th grade when I started. So 10th, 11th grade, 12th grade, you graduate and you go to college. So the school was my distribution.

Did you go to college? Hell no. Okay. Okay. I wish I would have, because I perform at colleges a lot lot and man it looked like they have a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I didn't go to college but my music went to college. Gotcha.

They took those old cassette tapes with them to college and I would get, I would get calls or running, I still today I run into people would be like, man I took your cassette tape to college and my roommate stole it. I was so mad at that college and my roommate stole it. I was so mad at that motherfucker. I couldn't get it back until I go back to Memphis and go to the stereo store. I'll get my cousin to mail me one to the college. But they would take those old tapes to college with them, roommates would steal them, and

then they would go back to where they was from. And then they would let those people hear it, and then it would get duplicated and duplicated, and it just spread all over the world. That's amazing. Take me to 2005 when you guys dropped the most known unknown. What were you guys doing during that era? Because you guys just didn't miss at all.

Like that was like, I don't know. That was like where it just fucking exploded for you guys. Yeah, well that was when we really started to, that was when, you know how we talked about earlier about not being deserving of something, feeling that way. Yeah. But that was at the point where I had just bought my first Rolls Royce and I was like, I'm like, okay, all right. Now I see what life's about.

I had just built my first big house. It had an 8,000 square foot house that I built designed like a castle. And I was like, man, okay, now I'm living life. Because that was my first big house. I started building that in 2002 and I finished it in 2004. We recorded that album in 2004. I was making a lot of beats, you know, in that process.

And I even record, I even made the beat rather to Stay Fly's remix that featured Slim Dug Houston, Trick Daddy and a few guys on it. I made that beat at that house in the theater room. That was the only thing I ever did in that theater room. Cause don't ever put a theater room in your house. They, they never get used. Ever. They just for kids.

We've had a couple and they've never gotten used. Never get used. They look cool, but you never use them. I just, I always went to sleep in it. The only thing that ever came out of the room was making that beat. So the Stay Fly remix beat. So that's when I started really seeing what life's about. I had a house in Florida. I bought a house in Destin, Florida. Did MTV Cribs. I want to watch that MTV Cribs episode. in Florida, did MTV Cribs, if y'all wanna watch that MTV Cribs episode.

And man, we was living life, man. Juicy had got a Maybach, this and that, and everybody had nice cars, everybody grew crunchy head like four cars, two houses on the same street. Everybody was, they even bought us baby mama a house on the same street as him. We was living life.

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Okay. Gotcha. I had a brother that was an actual pimp. Gotcha. Yeah. He got, he got killed. mafia. Was that influence from your childhood or was that? Yeah, my brother was an actual pimp. Okay, gotcha. I had a brother that was an actual pimp. Gotcha. Yeah. He got, he got killed being a pimp. Oh, rest in peace. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I grew up, I grew up in that too.

Okay, gotcha. When I say I grew up around organized crime, I basically did. All of it. Well, I mean, you can't have drug dealing without hookers and blow either, you know? So it's like, it all goes hand in hand. Yeah, it does. But yeah, that was my shit.

I was popping my collar, popping, popping my collar. Everywhere, everywhere I'd go, I'd drive to like, you know, sit at my appointments and shit and be bumping three six. It was my shit. Yeah, and if you, yeah, if you, if you was in that life, then you knew that a lot of Memphis people was in the pimping. Yes, absolutely.

Memphis has so many pimps, man. That was, that was the thing back then. So many, gold teeth. It was a different lifestyle too, you know? It's not like it was, it's not like it is now. Like people always say that I glamorized that life, but it's not that I glamorized it. It's the life that I lived,

and it made me a lot of fucking money. And like, yeah, there are downsides to every fucking sort of street thing that you could possibly do. But there was also some good that came out of it for me. And I always, I don't try to glamorize it, but I do try to tell the truth about it, you know? And it was a different time in life.

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was completely different. Yeah, it was. You know, like I grew up doing a lot of crazy shit too that, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't glamorize or talk about it. I guess, I guess I do with the raps, but you know, like in a way, but you know, I just, I just noticed that a lot of people that I know, they came from bad things in their past. I know a lot of people that's doing the ones that survive, they're doing really, really good now.

Absolutely, we're all in our dealing. Like if you look at Master P, Master P came from, you know, crazy shit, crazy shit, you know, like, you know, now they do it worth hundreds of millions. Yeah. Hundreds of millions, because what I think it is is, you get a different knowledge going through shit in the streets that a school could never teach you.

Yes, I always say. I know people that went to, when you asked me to go to college, I said, hell no. Cause I know some people that went to college that ain't doing nothing right now. Absolutely. I always say street smarts over book smarts. Like book smarts are a necessity for if you're gonna work a regular job

and if you're gonna like, you know, be a CEO of like a financial place. But like, if you, in life, the school of hard knocks is gonna teach you the most lessons. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Even in the music business,

some people that I know that taught theyself music or this or that versus some people I know that went to school for music, that's they're in two different worlds. Yeah, absolutely. Two different worlds. It's just because hustle can't be taught, or hustle can't be bought, you know?

And it's like school, you're, that's, you're essentially learning from somebody else, but like in the streets, it's hands-on. You are, it's sink or fucking swim. Nobody's out there to save you. So you're gonna have to, it's kill or be killed. You have to figure it out yourself. Yeah, and you learn from, from, you learn more from pain.

School don't teach pain. Yeah. Pain is the quickest way to learn anything. That is a beautiful. Like, yeah, you get hit in the mouth and you be like, God damn, I should have blocked. Next time I'm gonna block cause that shit was not cool. Yeah, absolutely. But that's a beautiful-

That's the school, just walk around and they're like, phew. But you know, it was in school back in the day. I got a lot of weapons. Yes, I've gotten spanked by the principal before. Have you guys ever gotten spanked? Hell no. Oh, fucking. Man, they gonna call the police.

No, yeah, I've gotten spanked. I had a principal who was able to spank kids. Me too. I couldn't imagine that. Mr. Chambers. Yeah. Mr. Chambers, man, that motherfucker, man. He was. I couldn't imagine that. Mr. Chambers. Mr. Chambers. Man, that motherfucker, man.

He was the coolest dude in the world. He was tall, handsome. He looked like, he looked exactly like Lawrence Fishburne. Oh, wow. And he would walk in there. He always had a mean face. And like, you had to really do something really fucked up for him to come. And this and that.

So like, they pressed that button. Like, Mr. Chambers, Paul is acting up again. I need you to come over here. He show up to that door. Come here, bar guard. He said, you know it's gonna be trouble and I gotta make house calls. That's what he said.

You know it's trouble and I gotta make house calls. He was a comedian. Boy, and he will whoop you in front of everybody. Not in front of everybody. Not in the hallway. That's embarrassing. Right there. Pull them pants up in the back so it's tight.

Pull them pants up. Man, he'll ask you which one you want. Like the strap for the hand or the paddle with the butt. And this nigga constructed a pedal that was worse. He put holes in it. Oh, he wanted it to catch the wind. Yeah, so he did, man. And then it like, it sucked in a little bit more,

I think, because of the holes. Man, he like, which one, boy, got? Hand or butt? I'm like, oh, God. So man, he would be right there in front of everybody. But just the funny story. My daddy owned a pest control company and one day my daddy got called to go to this dude's house. Man, we showed up to this house.

I like mid-century modern houses. We showed up to this house. Nice one level mid-century modern house in the hood though. But it was the nicest house on the street. I'm like, man, this is a nice house. This and that, that was the only reason I went with my daddy because I like to see houses. Like I told you, it's the 65 year old white woman inside of me. I'm walking over, like, man, it's a nice landscaping he got right here. Nice house. Man, next thing I know the door swing opening, it was his ass. I said, what? I said, daddy, I said, this is the nigga I was telling you about. This is my principal, this is who be whooping me.

Man, we walk in there, his house is nice. Pimped out. He got the big screen TV where you pull the drawer out and it had the green, white, and now the green, red, and the blue lights that shined up, white, and now the green, red, and blue lights that shined up on it, the old projector screen. Who knew principals were getting paid that good? Yeah, I'm like, man, this nigga probably a drug, though.

Listen to that, man, house was nice. Big screen TV, I had never seen a big screen TV in person. That's crazy. And man, you know, that was just a funny story. Did your dad go in there and say anything to him or just acted like it was business as usual? Not that I remember. I don't think he said anything.

I couldn't imagine sending my kids to school now and letting somebody spank them though, because you can't trust motherfuckers. Back in the day, it was a different trust. It'll run you crazy these days, but I swear it helped. No, no, for sure. And all of the bus stop fights, the ditching, the fucking, yeah, all of it. I was always into the bus stop fights. Bring it back. Can we go back? the ditching, the fucking, yeah. All of it. Bring it back.

Can we go back? I swear I live in nostalgia, dude. Like I just love the 80s, 90s and 2000s. I think it was just perfect. So after you guys dropped the album in 2005, it went gold in six months, correct? That was the one in 1997. Oh, that one was 1997. Okay.

1997, our first major album. Okay. So our first major album, we got our first record deal, our first major, in our major distribution deal. 97, that album with Tether Club up on it, went gold in six months.

And that was the album that I made the bet. And it was like, man, I think y'all gonna go gold. And I was like, oh, I don't think so. And I made a bet with one of my friends. And in six months, it ended up going gold. It wasn't Larry, was it? You didn't make the bet with Larry? It probably was Larry, to be honest.

I can't remember who it was. I'm just kidding. It probably was him, though, to be honest. And it went gold, and I couldn't even believe it. I was like, what? And we got that gold plaque. And man, I got one for everybody. I knew. Did you feel like some sort of accomplishment when you finally did that?

Well, like you were getting recognized. Yeah. What did the 2005 album do? If that one went gold, Oh, the 2005 album that I was sold like 6 million. Okay. Yeah. That one was like, so, so it was that platinum.

Does that equal platinum? Platinum is 1 million. 1 million. Okay. Yeah. It went 1 million immediately. Wow. Okay. Yeah, that album was like. So-so. Was that platinum? Does that equal platinum? Platinum is one million. One million, okay. Yeah, it went one million immediately. Wow, okay. I mean, even the singles, they flyin' all the singles and side to side, all them went platinum. That was easy.

Yeah. Yeah, that album, yeah, it sold like five or six million. It was good. During this time was whenever you guys were doing the soundtrack for Hustle & Flow too, correct? soundtrack for Hustle and Flow, too, correct? Yeah, yeah, we did that, too. So all of this came back to back. You know, we had the most now.

I see it was funny how it worked because we had made all those other albums by this point. Two thousand five, we made our first gold album in ninety seven. So by the time we had another album that came out and went 2005, we made our first gold album in 97. So by the time we had another album that came out and went, the Sippin' On Scissor album was in 2000, it went platinum. You know, and then it ended up selling, you know, probably two or three million copies.

So then we had another album that went gold, Unbreakables. So by the time 2005 happened, I already got five or six plaques on the wall. But I was like, nobody still knew who we was. I should have kept it that way. But I was fucking dreaming. And that's why I had to watch what I wish for. I had to watch what I think about

because I would really bring shit into existence. Yeah, you manifest. Yeah, you manifest. And I named that album, The Most Known Unknowns. And I was like, we known, but we not known. I said it at the beginning of the album and I started playing all of the hits we had like, Chipper Slop on the Knob.

I started scratching all to the club. The whole intro was me scratching all of our songs, like beating it in people's heads of all the hits we had. And then next thing I know that fucking album come out and every song on that album was a hit. Literally. And then after that album, the next year we went to Oscar and now we're the most Sony,

like y'all the most Google thing in the world. And I'm like, uh-oh, what did I do? What did I do? You say that you wish that you guys would have stayed unknown. Why do you wish that? Well, you know, being popular, man, it's not cool. It's not for the weak, that's for sure.

Yeah, it's not cool. Like, you know, back on our very first album, that album, not to keep bringing up that football that's right behind your head, that's for sale on 360mobiemerge.com. This football right here. Not to keep bringing that up. This one right here. But that album right there, we wore masks on the cover. And that's what I wish we would have kept doing.

Okay, so people hadn't seen your faces though? They hadn't seen our faces after that album. Okay. But as far as that album, they hadn't seen our faces. Okay. You know, and that's something I wish we would have kept doing. Like I used to look at groups like Kiss,

and Insane Clown Posse. Yeah. I used to be like, man, I can't imagine how nice it would be to be rich, but nobody recognized you. I didn't recognize Gene Simmons. He came in the club one night and got a dance from me and my best friend, Tasha. And I didn't recognize him. He kept telling me he was Gene.

And I didn't believe him until he licked my back with his long ass tongue. Yeah. Gene Simmons licked my back and me and Tasha. And I was like, you are like I didn't recognize him until he stuck that fucking long ass tongue. Yeah. Gene Simmons licked my back and me and Tasha and I was like, you are like I didn't recognize him until he stuck that fucking long ass tongue out dude. Cause they had their faces covered all the time. Yeah, man. And that's that's that's the I used to live down the street from James Simmons in LA. I passed his house every day to see his wife and the kids up at the Italian restaurant that we all used to eat at.

It's gotta be the tallest family in the world. The wife is tall, the kids are tall. I'd be sitting down there eating my spaghetti, I'm like, damn, who the big old? I love it. Well, yeah, I wish we would have kept wearing the mask because like I said said to have money, but nobody recognized you.

I can't imagine how it would be the equivalent of being an invisible person. Right. Like an invisible person walking in this room right now, which I'm sure is probably a couple in there. Yeah. Invisible person, it would be like that. It's like Clark Kent and Superman.

Yeah. You know, like you like Clark Kent and Superman. Yeah. You know, like you get to have two personas. Yeah, which I don't know how nobody never, I just watched Superman the other day and I'm like, how didn't I know that? He just put on glasses, those just disguised glasses. It was the bulge, it distracted all the girls. Yeah, exactly.

They just didn't know. Yeah, have you watched the story of him? No, of Superman or of like Christopher Reeves? Christopher Reeves. A little bit. The new one that's out? No, I have not seen the new one. It's a new one that just came out, man.

It's so good. Is it good? I'll watch it. It's really good. It tells his whole story, his whole life. And it's really good. I just hate how it ended for him. Yeah.

That's like brutal. But he was, you know, he was really, he really was like a Superman. Yeah, no, he was a good dude. He flew planes. Yeah. He did everything in real life. He was real active. Yes. No, he was really active.

Nobody has anything bad to say about him. Like he was just a really good human. And I hate when bad things happen to good humans. Yeah. So has three six mafia ever really officially broken up? Like, there's never been like an announcement of you guys like breaking up. It's just always you guys doing your own projects or like, yeah, we just split. We just started doing solo stuff.

Members leaving and stuff like that. Yeah. What's your relationship with juicy now? Are you guys still close? Yeah, we're still touring. Yeah, we started back touring for the first time in September of 2019. It was the first show we had did together since 2012. So we've been touring ever since then back together. We got a tour coming up this summer.

And for the first time in April, we got Coachella. Oh, that's going gonna be iconic because now the newer generation of kids are gonna get to see you and they're gonna latch onto you, dude. Because- Oh yeah, they been doing it. Yeah. Ever since we took-

TikTok? You guys are insane on TikTok, dude. Yeah, it be going crazy. Those songs, it be going viral. Yeah. I'm sitting there, I'm looking at TikTok and I see like a 19 year old white girl, like we gonna fuck her in the back of the bus and fill her nose up full of that dust.

I'm like, God damn it. God damn. It's crazy. How does it feel to influence just generations of kids? I mean, even like kids that are our kids now, you're like, it's just generation, generation, generation. And then all of these young artists too. Yeah, well, you know what it is?

I read something the other day that said, well, everyone the other day, it was last year, but I think I'm still living in 2024. That's how you know we're getting old when we say the other day and it was last year. Yeah, the other day it was like 10 years ago. Oh, but I was last year, I saw something that said that the kids that like, I don't know what generation they are, but the age that our kids are will listen to like the music

that we liked. Just like we like, we listen to music that our parents like. So, you know, like I'm a huge fan of, you know, the Stax musicians, because I grew up in Memphis, my mama listened to a lot of Stax music. So I liked that. And, you know, kids these days, like, you know, like my music, because their parents was listening to,

you know, my music or whatever. When I saw, when Cardi B and Offset first started dating, I saw them at the Breakfast Club in New York. I was going on after Cardi B. Cardi B was in there doing, this was when she first came out. Cardi B was doing her interview and I was sitting in the lobby talking to Offset and Offset was like, he's like, man, how y'all come up with that triplet flow? The triplet flow. And I was like, man, that was Lord Infant. Like, man, he like, man, my mama used to listen

to Three, Six, My Facts all the time. And I was like, damn, I was like, you're making me feel old now, nigga, you're making me feel old. But it was so funny to hear that. He like us because his mama listened to us. No, it's wild. It's just, it's the lore with you guys.

Like I've said a couple of times during this podcast just runs so deep. So you guys both want, you guys all won an Oscar and an Academy Award. Is that the same thing? The same thing. It is the same thing. Okay.

Academy Award is like the, let's just say the event. The Oscar is the actual award. Gotcha. I've never known. The Academy Award is like the, let's just say the event. The Oscar's the actual award. Gotcha, I've always got that confused. I've never understood what that was. And then, so you guys ended up winning the Oscar for the Hustle and Flow song, Hard Out Here for a Pimp, before winning the Grammys. Yeah, we won the Oscar way before we won a Grammy.

Still today, Three 6 Mafia never won a Grammy. I'm the only person in Three 6 Mafia that won a Grammy. Wow. OK, I didn't know that. Because you've won four Grammys, though, right? Yes. If you include songs that read that read that's remakes of ours, five. Right. Because we just won again with with Chris Brown's album.

Yes. I just saw you post about that. A week ago, whatever. Yeah. But in 2020 with Cardi B, but to get the actual actual trophy, yeah, I'm the only person in 36 Mafia that got one I wanted won it with Killer Mike.

Yes. With Killer Mike. So the year that we were there, right? Was it the year that we were there? Yes, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing.

So tell me, when you finally win that Grammy, because I know for every artist, my husband's the same way. It's like you guys all want that Grammy. Like it just means so much to you guys. When you finally get that in your grasp and now you have five. How does that feel? Man, it feels amazing, man. You know, like, cause it's something when I want to ask her, I didn't even know what an Oscar was. Yeah, I still don't. Yeah. So, but I was, you know, I was, I'm, you know, it was a blessing, you know, so happy to have that. But when I won a Grammy, I was like, Oh my God, you know, because, you know, as

musicians, we look forward to the, to the, the Grammy, you know, so it was, it was great. It was great getting that. And it's hard. People don't realize how hard it is to win a Grammy. It's really hard. There's some people who go their entire careers and never get a Grammy. They'll get nominations if they're lucky, but never get Grammys.

And you have five like that speaks volumes for your talent. Thank God it happened. What's one thing that you've learned about the longevity in this game? Let's talk about like your sobriety and stuff like that, too. So you want me to mix the two together? You want to talk about several separately? Yeah, yeah. Separately. I'm sorry.

Right now I am a year and three months sober. Yes. You know, no weed, no drugs, no, not even vitamins. Like I'm the cleanest I've ever been in my whole life. I was never into vitamins and pills and all of that. Thank God. I think if I would have gotten to the whole pill world, I'd probably be dead. You know, but thank God the hardest drug I ever did

was cocaine. And not saying that's not a hard one. That's a pretty hard one, but that's as big as it ever got for me. You know, I stopped that long, long, long ago. But alcohol, year, year and three months. But now I did take my breaks. You know, I've been off alcohol for like four years at one point, almost four years at one point,

like 2019, 20, you know, this and that, all that. I think I started back drinking in like 2021, some part of 2021, but like about four years up to that three and a half years up to that, I was sober too. Yeah. And, uh, I got to say, man, it's the best thing I ever did in my life. Yeah. Sobriety is hard. I tell everybody it's the hardest, but most rewarding journey that you'll be on.

Sobriety does suck when you're first coming off of everything because I got sober on the Yellow Wolf tour in 2017, off pills and cocaine, alcohol in 2018. Been sober ever since. It's a really hard journey because you have to get to know yourself and you have to learn to cope with things that you've always numbed, you know, and it's not easy. But once you get past that hump, it is like thinking about even

snorting a line makes me want to fucking crawl in a hole. Like I could never anymore. Like once you get that far away from it, you're just like, how was I this person before? Oh, I don't think like that when I think about cocaine, I miss cocaine. I would never do like my husband. I would never do cocaine again in my life. I mean, you can't with Fentanyl. No, you can't. I just read today on the way over here

that Corey Feldman's drummer just died from Fentanyl. Oh no. Yeah, they just announced it today. Oh shit. Yeah, so you can't do cocaine no more. Thank God we got off of when we did, because, yeah, you know, that's what killed boo. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the pivotal moment for you wanting to get sober?

Man, I just I'll cocaine of alcohol. Both both cocaine. I just got sick of waking up with headaches and stopped up noses. I hate to stop them knows more than anything in the world. The bloody boogers that come out too. Yeah, I hate that shit, man. Blowing your nose, fucking coming, come out. Ugh.

Yeah, I hate that. Yeah, it's gross. That alone. If I never got a stopped up nose, I'd probably still be getting high. No. But I didn't like that. I didn't like the headaches.

I didn't like feeling like shit because the thing about cocaine, you feel so good when you're doing it and you partying. Shit in your pants. And then the next day you wake up, you're like, oh God. What the fuck happened?

So. When I think about cocaine, I just think about people pooping their pants, okay? Cause you cannot do a line of cocaine and not have to take a shit. Yeah, you gotta take shit. Have to. You just gotta be, you just gotta be close to a bathroom.

And baby wipes. Yeah, close to a bathroom. That's probably why people do so much cocaine in bathrooms. Literally, so they can take a dump right after. As soon as that drain hits. Yeah. So, the reason why I got just all the way, all the way clean is just because with alcohol, man,

you just make so many bad decisions. So many bad decisions, you know, like, there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol. You know, I don't want people to think that, you know, just getting fucked up is when the bad shit come in. You only have a couple of drinks, this and that, that's fine, but I never got to that point. I tried it, we've all tried it.

Like, I'm just gonna go have a couple, you know, dinner and that, man. Next thing you know, cause what would happen is somebody would be like, oh man, you wanna go over here, let's go over here. We'll just, after dinner, we'll just have like one drink, watch the game, one drink, then next thing you know, it's three in the morning, that one drink, watch the game, one drink. Then next thing you know, it's three in the morning

and that one drink, then I'm tired of the 100 drinks. Well, our generation is binge drinkers. Yeah. Yeah, we did, there was no, we were just trained to go. TGG, always, you know? Yeah, so that's when the problem kick in. So, you know, like next thing you know, somebody's calling you the next day, like,

hey man, we're gonna be over at the same bar tonight if you wanna come back, like, who is this? I got your number last night, you remember me man, we was hanging out and this and that? Everybody's your friend when you're drunk. Yeah, especially my husband, yes, I know. And see, I'm the type of person that, I don't like making new friends.

I'm in the process of my life of getting rid of friends. So like making new ones is the last thing that I possibly want. And like drinking, you just like, you know, gay this person your number now he's calling you and he wanna hang out some more and this and that. And you just, just so many wrong bad decisions and you miss stuff.

You miss stuff. Like I had a, I was talking to a big, a big producer who was gonna put me on the phone with an even bigger producer one day. This one day long ago, this is like two years ago about making a TV show based on my life. This guy actually got big TV shows on Netflix as we speak. And I missed the call because I was drunk.

I said, God damn it. And you know how Hollywood is. Yeah. It's like, I'll pass this, it's no problem. We'll just set up another call, shit. Never got that other call set up. And I was like, man, you know what? You know what?

That just cost me. But you know, at the same time, I don't regret it because it's a million people out here want to do that with me. So I, and they just, it just wasn't God didn't want me to do it with with them maybe or whatever the case was. Yeah. The universe always intervenes. Yeah. Nothing wrong with them.

I wish I would have did it with them at the same time. It's like, you know, he didn't want me to do it with them. Yeah, nothing wrong with them. I wish I would have did it with them, but at the same time, it's like, you know, he didn't want me to do it with them. Yeah. You know, so I'm gonna have to do it with, you know, just do it with somebody else or do it another time with them. Maybe he just didn't want me to do it with them at that time because I wasn't clean and I probably would have just got on set and fucked it up or something.

So maybe he'll listen to this podcast and circle back. Yeah. Put it in the air. Yeah, so I missed that call and I was like man this and only missed about like 30 minutes But that's that's too long for a big a big producer. You know, so I was like man You know, you just alcohol just have you just you just missed too much stuff My thing is is I can't deal with the fucking three-day hangovers, dude alcohol just have you just, you just miss too much stuff. You know? My thing is, is I can't deal with the fucking

three day hangovers, dude. Yeah. And the older you get too, your mental health gets affected by it. And I'm just like, I can't afford to not feel like myself for three days. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good.

Yeah, that's how it happened because somebody told me, they like, man, you know, when you, when you, you, when you hit 40, hangovers are three days and boy, I wouldn't be damned if the day on my birthday, I saw that shit. It was like three days. If you're lucky, you're lucky. No, for sure.

So I wanna circle back to the question that I lumped in with your sobriety. What's the one thing you've learned about longevity in this game, in this whole genre of life? Man, it's about just, it's about just teaching yourself something new. Always educating yourself on something new about life. Excuse me, about life.

Like I read this book that changed my life in a lot called Atomic Habits. Atomic Habits is a great book. And it teach you about just preparing yourself. You know, like, it'd be like, if you're the type of person that's late for work because you wanna eat breakfast in the morning, start preparing your stuff the night before.

You know, like maybe cut up your vegetables, put them in a little, in a Tupperware container or whatever and have all that ready to go. So the next morning you just crack your eggs, throw them in there, scramble them up, make your taco or burrito or whatever you want to make and keep it moving. You've eliminated the most time consuming part, cutting vegetables. Everybody hates cutting off vegetables. Wolfgang Puck don't even cut vegetables. You got a sous chef for that. And then it says if you want to make a habit of going to the gym every day or three or four times a week or whatever. Like even if you're late and you're not gonna,

you're only gonna be able to spend 10 minutes in the gym. That's not gonna, you know, you're not gonna gain no muscle or nothing in 10 minutes, but just go do it anyway, because you're building the habit of going. The consistency. So that book right there changed my life a lot. You know, just gotta stay consistent in whatever you do,

you know, to the point. And it hurts me sometimes, so consistent with shit. I feel like we're always learning though. And you can never stop learning. When you think you know everything, that's when you're not living. Yeah. I feel like there's always a lesson

to be learned in something. I know I learned shit every fucking day still. I went to look at, one day I was in Beverly Hills, I was looking at this condo that I wanted to buy and it was for sale by a doctor. And when I went in this condo, I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought it was photoshopped. This main condo was so clean. Now, everybody's gonna clean their house when somebody's come to look at it. But I got a feeling

that this dude lives like this. Like this dude is this clean. I want him to do my my checkups because shit. Dude right here's a perfectionist. This is thorough. Man, when I went in his closet, he only had four suits, exactly the same. Four pair of shoes, exactly the same. Five, five, four or five shirts, exactly the same, just hung up, organized to the tee. No extra shit nowhere.

But this is what really tripped me out. When I went in his bedroom, he didn't have a TV on the wall. The whole floor to ceiling, wall to wall was bookshelves. Nothing but books. And I was like, at night this dude read books when he goes to sleep. He don't watch TV. He's sitting up watching a Jeffrey Dahmer documentary like I am. He's reading a book.

It might be about Jeffrey Dahmer, who knows? But he's reading a book. And I was like, man, yeah, I saw something that it said that all billionaires read a certain amount of books a year. Books is where it's at, man. I was never into books. And I still don't read books. But you know, I got the audible, I listen to books, you know,

riding down the street, whatever you're doing, cleaning up. I need to get back into it. A few, a couple of years ago, I was into it like a motherfucker, but I fell off. But I'm just starting to get back into it. It's hard reading books. Like I can listen to a book all day long. I love audibles. But when I sit

down and actually try to like look and read a book, it's like I go back to that little girl in sixth grade who just couldn't focus. And like, it's like, I can read something, but my mind won't attain it. Yeah. So it's like, I have to listen to it. I'm in the same way. Some people just like that. Like, like, oh, growing up, if I got a new keyboard and it came with, you know, an instruction manual, I didn't read that. I just had to have somebody come over my house who already had that keyboard and show me what to do. Because I can read, I know how to read. I can read really good, but- You just can't obtain it.

I'll forget in a second. Yeah, same. I'll forget in a second. So like these days, you know, all night I'm watching tutorials on YouTube, you know, about this drum machine and this turntable and this and that. We call it YouTube University. Always anything I can't figure out how to do, I just pull it up. Yeah.

Like how do you work this? And it's a YouTube video on that. I'm gonna watch every one of them. And one thing I notice, one thing I notice is you'll see somebody that'll have like 100,000 views on this keyboard or drum machine or whatever you're trying to make, a grilled cheese sandwich.

100,000 views and it'll be somebody that got 1000 views. That person with the 1000 views, I have the most, here had a sweet spot of what I was really looking for. Yeah. No, I love that too. Yeah, I do that too. I've noticed people's numbers and then you go to like watch their video or whatever it is and they always have the better information as opposed to the bigger one.

Yeah. video or whatever it is and they always have the better information as opposed to the bigger one. Yeah, because sometimes the guys with the most information, I mean with the most views rather have the less information because they're trying to sell it to you. Right. They're like, hey, and if you want to learn more, I got a link right here. Go right here. They point and it ain't even popped up yet. I'm like, where do you point that?

And then after a while, a smaller picture of him will point at. I got one that you can go here and watch if you wanna see how to do this. I'm like, that's the reason why I watched this one. Because I wanna see. So then you click on that one, then like, if you really wanna learn more, you go right here, then you click on that one.

If you really wanna learn more, you go to the link down below for $30 a month. I'm like, okay, here we go. I just watched 10 videos to figure this out. You should've just told me you wanted $30. I didn't give you $30 a month, I'm like, okay, here we go. I just watched 10 videos to figure this out. You should have just told me you wanted $30. I didn't give you $30 30 minutes ago. Nope, I feel that. And now they do that on TikTok too.

It drives me fucking crazy. You have worked with so many artists. You've worked with pretty much, I mean, the list could go on. Yeah, everybody. Everybody. Is there anybody that you haven't worked with that you want to work with? It would have to be somebody outside of rap

because I've worked with everybody in rap. So it would have to be, man, I would just have to think because it would be somebody in like a totally different space. Like it would be somebody like Tears like tears for fears or some shit. Or like EDM, have you done EDM? Yeah, I've done a ton of EDM.

EDM was kind of made off my sound in a way. I did the first EDM rap record before it was even a such thing as the word EDM. Really? Yeah, it was called Feel It, and I filmed a video in 2009 in Vegas. Where were you at? 2009, I was in Vegas.

Yeah, you should've came and gotten the video. Yeah. It was- I'll go back in time and show up. Yeah, it was with DJ Tiesto, when nobody in America really knew who he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. DJ Tiesto and Sean Kingston.

Sean Kingston wasn't even old enough to get in the club to shoot the video, so I had to rent a penthouse suite upstairs and bring some girls, and we shot his scene in there. Yeah. to get in the club to shoot the video. So I had to rent a penthouse suite upstairs and bring some girls and we shot his scene in there. Cause he was a kid. And we brought out this song called Feel It. And the song went gold in Canada first. My first out of country plaque.

And the song didn't get no video play on no where but YouTube because MTV was like, we don't have nowhere to put this. We don't even know what genre this is. It wasn't a such thing as the word EDM did. And then BET wasn't gonna play it. 106 and Park wasn't gonna play it. And I was sitting up here like,

you know, if it's not a box for something, you should just create the box. And they didn't. So the song never got no play, but it ended up starting something because, you know, Lil Jon and, what's my boy's name? Lil Jon and Party Rock.

What's my boy's name? Party Rockers in the house tonight. Oh, LMFAO. LMFAO. They fucking had the vision. They was like, oh, I see what they're trying to do here. Okay, let's just do it. Let's do this. And man, they came out with all them songs and man blew up.

And I was like, see Sony, this what I was trying to tell you motherfucker. This was it. So you're pretty much the father of EDM. Yeah, with hip hop on it, I am. I love that. I am. I was in Vegas one day over to Maloof's house for Halloween party.

I still got the pictures in my phone. And it was, I met with Afrojack. I mean, Afrojack had did a song together, but it never came out. Now the beat came out and it blew up. I heard it in the club one night. I was waiting for my verse to come on. I'm like, I'm telling everybody.

I'm like, hey, I'm on this, I'm on this, I'm on this. Like next thing I know, you know EDM songs, they last for 20 minutes. 15 minutes then came, I ain't heard myself yet. I'm like,, I'm on this, I'm on this. Like next thing I know, you know, EDM songs, they last for 20 minutes. 15 minutes then came, I ain't heard myself yet. I'm like, uh-oh. I'm like, where is my verse? And then I saw Avro Jack one day at the Malouse House. I'm like, hey man, what happened?

I was like, you never used that verse we did. And he was like, I didn't understand the hip hop on pop music at the time, but now I understand it. We should go back. I said, yeah, let's go to studio now, motherfucker. Let's do this. Like we had some going, we had some going. Me and you, man, we had some going here.

In so many words, he said, let's run it back. Yeah, and the next thing I know, you know, EDM came out and it was mixed with loops and chants, just like my stuff was back in the day. And it became huge. They have mastered the art of being rich, rich and going under the fucking radar. Like they're never in fucking any trouble.

They're never like in any bullshit. Well, you know why? It's because they never get married. Right, yeah, literally. They refuse to get married. Literally. They refuse to get married. Literally. They refuse to get married. Yeah. No, for sure.

So I see them every Christmas because every Christmas I'm over at Adrienne House. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I didn't, I never got to meet Adrienne, but the brothers. I definitely knew the brothers. Yeah. Adrienne, I love Adrienne, man. She's so cool. Yeah. I've spent my, we spent our holidays over at Adrienne House. I love that. That's really cool. Yeah. The Maloos are great people. So let's talk about your restaurant, The Hideaway.

Yeah. The Hideaway is the only restaurant on road. Basically the only restaurant on Rodeo Drive, 421 Rodeo Drive, The Hideaway. Go check it out. It took us forever to make that restaurant. We started working on that restaurant in 2015, and we didn't open up to two years ago. Wow.

What took so long? Just licensing and permits? Permits. Beverly Hills was like, you know, we would show them stuff and they'd be like, that doesn't fit the aesthetics of Beverly Hills. What kind of cuisine is it? It's like upscale Latin.

Okay. We got like, you can go there and get a Wagyu taco if you want to. We'll have to go check it out next time we're out there. Yeah, you gotta check it out, man. It's really good. The food is amazing. Everybody that go there, I love it. All kinds of celebrities be there because we're in a courtyard, so paparazzi can't come

in that courtyard, so paparazzi can't come in that courtyard. And we got private VIP, you can go down underground and come up the elevator straight to our restaurant. So like nobody see you coming to the restaurant if you don't want them to. You can go through the front off of Rodeo if you want to, or you could come around the back from underground and it's here to wait.

That's why we call it the hideaway. But the permits and all, it was a blessing in disguise because we were supposed to open up like February of 2020 before anybody heard of COVID or the pandemic. And we didn't get our clearances and all of that in time. So we didn't open. And that was a blessing because we wouldn't be open now. We end up opening after all of that.

Yeah. The universe always provides always. Would you say that the restaurant business is probably one of the hardest businesses to be in? Yes. Yeah, it's super hard. Yeah, it's super hard. You know, it's a lot of work, a lot of money coming into it. Because I had a restaurant with these same guys and some other guys in 2010. We was open for like six months and it closed down. The guys called me one day, they was like, Paul, we got to close down the restaurant.

And they was like, unless you want to keep it going, because they knew I always wanted a restaurant. Do you want to keep it going? cause they knew I always wanted a restaurant. Like, do you want to keep it going? I'm like, how much is it? They was like, well, you know, without staff, just the rent on Sunset Boulevard at that time, it was $20,000 a month. I'm like, who do I get these keys to?

Cause we've been in close this month, like a dime. Yeah. Yeah, like, nah, that was it. Then 15, five years later, we went back at it and it worked. I love that for you. That's awesome. I love that you always have your hands in stuff,

that you're not, that you're always doing something different musically, but you're also doing stuff outside of music. Yeah, I do everything. Love that. I spray myself too thin sometimes, a lot of times, because of that. I think myself too thin sometimes, a lot of times because of that. I think that that stems from just my husband does it too.

And I think it's just you guys are just so excited to be where you're at. And I mean, now you've been in it for a long time, but he does it too, because he's just so excited and just wants to do it all and see it all and say he's done it. So yeah. And not just that, when you come from the hood like me and him do, you know, man, Jelly got a lot in common and people don't even know about it like, you know, organizations and this and that all our street shit and all this shit. But, but when you come from where we came from, you just want to take as many, you know, steps as you can

not to go back to that. You don't wanna put all your eggs in one basket. I would never put all my eggs in a music business basket. Like, no, like, uh-uh. Like, if music, I don't even live off music, to be honest with you. Like, I have so many other forms of income. I actually learned that from a lady in Nashville one day.

I was out here recording Yellow Wolf, producing Yellow Wolf. And I was a pescatarian at the time. This was like 2019. I was a pescatarian and I went to, I was still eating seafood, but no meat. And I went to a seafood restaurant in Nashville on the way to the studio. And a black lady came in there,

older black lady came in there, and me and my brother Phil was sitting at the bar and she was like, can you guys help me out with something? I'm buying my husband a laptop from Best Buy down the street and I want to know what kind I should get. And I told her, I was like, I only use Apple, but you can get whatever you want,

but that's what I use, blah, blah. And my brother started talking to her because my brother got the Bell Bond business. He gave her the card and he was like, what are you doing? She was like, me and my husband, we own a bunch of different companies. She said, I read a long time ago that at all times you should have seven forms of income. It's like a rule. And I was like, oh wow. And she was like, you know, we started out supplying drink machines for a big business. And then I asked them, I was

like, you know, who do your cleaning in the business? So we ended up picking up that account. And I was like, oh, who do the landscaping? So we ended up picking up that account. So just in that one bill that she picked up three forms of income right there. She told me about the other four she had or whatever. And I was like, man, that's a good idea. So I just started, you know, like seven forms of income. Now I think I got 700, but I just went from there.

It's not a bad thing though. It's not a bad thing though. So do you have new music coming out? Yeah. Okay. Next Friday, well, I don't know when this will be, So do you have new music coming out? Is okay. Next Friday. Well, I don't know when this would be when the y'all bring this out. We'll drop this on Monday.

Yeah. We'll drop it Sunday. Yeah. So this Friday, which would be like the 21st or something. Okay. Whatever this Friday is, I got a new single with Crazy Bone coming out from Bone Thugs. Yeah. Talked about that. For the longest, Three, Six, My Family

and Bone Thugs was rivals. Long time rivals. Actually, when Jay and I first got together, I'm a Bone Thugs girl. He's three six guy. And he's like, don't ever talk about Bone Thugs in the house. Thank you for that, Julie. Thank you for that. His loyalty with you guys. Like we for real got an argument one time because I was like,

are you fucking kidding me? I was like, it's both that. And he's like, no bitch, you're in my house now. This is fucking, it's three six all day long. So we was into it back in the day. And I don't know if you say that versus we did versus like two, three years ago, we got to a physical fight on stage. That's when him and I got into that argument. Yeah. Was during the verses.

Yeah. Well, like, you know, like, and we, and us and Bone have been friends for years. We did our first song together with Crazy Bone on the Project Pet album back in 1997. The beat started in like 93. You know, so we've been, you know, cool ever since then. Bone is like my brother, brother. You know, so we've been, you know, cool ever since then. Bone is like my brother, brother. It's like I'm closer with some members of Bone than I am with actual family members.

They're actually supposed to be coming on the podcast. Yeah, I love those guys, man. So like even when that happened that day, like some of us looked at each other, like we charged at each other like, like, man, I'm not going to hit you. Like, I'm not going to hit you. Like, no, I'm not gonna hit you. Like, I'm not gonna hit you. Like, no, I'm not gonna hit you.

And we hugged, you know, we hugged. So it's like. I feel like Bizzy is the one who pops it off all the time. He did do that. Bizzy is who did it. Cause everybody else, man, I see these dudes every day. We got the same merch factory. Like we go to work together, we're coworkers.

But I had never, I'd never really seen busy in real life, except like in 1996 at Atlanta airport. Yeah. That was the only time I had ever seen him. They say he's really elusive. I met him one time and it was like meeting an alien. He just was like, he like, he doesn't talk. I don't know.

He's just got a very different energy. Yeah. He don't, he don't really talk. He's real got a very different energy. Yeah, he don't really talk. He's real quiet. You know, he's really deep. You know, he's really deep with his thoughts and all that. You know, I like him. You know, I'm a fan.

He's really cool. And I like how he started it out. I like how he started the verses he brought. Cause I started it off, you know, we all friends with each other. So I started off like, oh man, yeah, man, we're going to go on here for history and for the culture, you know, 360 Mafia and boom, we're going to have a good time and they're going to do some songs and we're going to do some songs.

Bizzy said, fuck that. He started posting shit of him beating us up and shooting us and killing us. And I'm like, oh, we're playing prison rules now. Okay, Bizzy, okay, we good. So I started posting stuff back. We would take each other heads and like put it on other little bodies from a movie where somebody get locked in a trunk or beat up or something.

So he started it off, but it was good. Because he started really building it to be like a real match, like a Mike Tyson. Like a real versus. You know, fight or something. Yeah, he built it up. He took it there. So when we walked out on stage,

we was walking, shaking, hugging hands, and he was still in character. But he was looking at me like, I'm like, okay, I thought this was just a publicity stunt, but I think this nigga is serious. So he didn't even shake no bad hand. He was looking at me like, okay, this is gonna be a fun night. You know, so I just got back into it. He was looking at me mad. So I'm like, okay, if that's where you want to go, you

can just go there motherfucker. Like this, I can do the mean mad shit all day. Yeah, I was trying to be the nice dude, but if you wanna do that, then we can just do that. And this and that. So, you know, all night we was, you know, this and that, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad with him. You know, and then next thing I know, he just haul off and do the bottle of water

at Gangsta Boob. He called us ugly first. He like, man, you ugly motherfuckers. Listen, man, I was saying, okay, man, call another man ugly, but okay, I get it. You pretty. You got long hair. I don't have long hair. I used to have long hair. I don't have long hair no more. But, you know, so he called us ugly. He threw the water bottle at Gangster Boob. So then I ran up to, you know, to block them and protect them. But I wasn't going to go over there and hit him. You know, I wasn't going to hit him. I wasn't

going to hit nobody in that group because I'm cool with everybody in that group. So I just really just ran up just to like stop this dude. But then, you know, next day I know my boys behind me kept running. They didn't stop because they don't hang out with them. So then they ran and next day I know, people start punching this and that and we broke it up. Was it still all for publicity or was it real on business? No, that was real. Wow.

Yeah, that was real. That was probably one of the most iconic verses though. There was people backstage with black eyes. Yeah, that was real. Holy shit. Yeah, that was real. That wasn't a stunt, that was real. And then they sent him backstage.

He stayed backstage for a while to calm down and we continued it. And then he walked back on stage. He walked straight over to me, you know, he apologized. And he like, man, you know, it was just, I was like, man, I'm not tripping, bro. You're like, we're all family here. We all hugged out and then it's the first of them.

Oh, whatever. We, youged out and then it's the first of them. Oh, whatever. We, you know, we sung the song together and the vibes was back good. And backstage everybody was hugging and taking pictures. It was back cool. Me and Lazy Bone posted a picture backstage of us hugging each other, smiling. It was everyone.

But if you, you know, it was one of the most iconic verses and it actually- It was the best verse of all, you know, it was one of the most iconic verses and it actually was the best verse probably go down in history. So it was like, you know, whether busy was just playing a character. We'll never know. It's it was kind of worth it. Yeah, it was super worth it. Shout out to busy, man.

You gave us the best verses of all times. And I love you, brother. Let's work. Yeah, but yeah, it was it was great. You know, I was glad I wouldn't I wouldn't take one minute of that back. But the only thing, what was a little crazy about that moment is I'm looking in the audience and the audience kind of got divided. So like the Bone fans was on that side of the stage

and the Three Sisters Mopin fans was on this side of the stage. So when the fight broke out, I saw little young dudes jumping on stage. Right. From their side and from our side, like ready to fight, fight. Oh, and I'm like, Oh, like somebody tell these young niggas that everybody on the stage is about 50 years old and it's not that serious. It's not that serious.

But I also think what's cool about you guys reconnecting at the end and like squashing it and being able to perform together is it shows this generation who is so quick to pull a trigger like, hey, you guys can have beef. It can actually turn into a physical altercation and you guys can still hug it out and be cool, because that's how it used to be back in the day. Yeah. With us growing up, you would fight at the fucking bus stop, fight at school, fight wherever, and then you would hug and you guys would either be friends

or you guys would just never fuck with each other again. Yeah, that's how it's supposed to be. I loved the way it was, and it was such an iconic night, man. It was so fun. Yeah, I love that. So you're doing a song with Crazy Bone. Yeah, well, we're doing a whole album. Oh, okay.

We got an album that'll come out the fall of this year, but we got a single that drops this Friday called I Go Dumb. And it's like on some 90s, you know, get crunk, get crunk Memphis, you know, old DJ Paul type shit and we got a whole album that's coming out. I'm kind of excited for that. But I got a lot of albums coming out. So I got an album with me and Young Buck that's coming out. I've been knowing Young Buck forever.

So we got an album coming out. And then I got a solo album coming out, an album with me and Crazy Bone. And then just I've been producing a lot of people. Like every day I'm doing something with different people. For somebody who doesn't like rapping, you're certainly dropping a lot of projects. Yeah, yeah. Well, cause I like to, like I said,

I like to make the music, but when I got to sit down and write to it. But the reason why I'm dropping so many projects this year is because, like I said, you know, reading, reading, even if I'm not reading a book, I follow, oh, you know, listening to a book, I follow a lot of educational pages on Instagram. So like, if I'm on Instagram,

I'm not just on there looking at all of the crazy shit. I actually started unfollowing some of the pages. I stopped all the pages that was showing people fighting, I stopped following all of those. Unfollowing. Yeah, you don't wanna bring that energy into your life. Yeah, I stopped following all of those. Unfollowed. Yeah, you don't wanna bring that energy into your life. Yeah, I stopped following all of that. But you know, just watching news in Memphis and LA

is gonna bring it right back into you. But some of it you gotta know. Like when you told me about Jelly through his phone in the river. Like, I get it, but sometimes some stuff you want to hear, especially in Tennessee, cause if they announce a tornado jelly, we probably want to start getting away from here. Yeah, no, the way my husband is thinking about it, he's like, somebody on my team will tell

me like, he really is like, I don't give a fuck what's going on online. He's like, I'm living my life and nobody's going to bother me. Yeah. That's the best way. Like as long as he got a wife, like you or somebody on the team, you can do that. But like, if you don't have nobody, like that's kind of dangerous. Yeah, for sure. It's kind of dangerous. So when I'm on social media, I'm looking at, I'm looking at, I got, I follow a lot of pages on educational stuff, food, homes, whatever, whatever. And I saw someone there one day that talked about procrastinating and I sent this to all of the artists who I knew, where this guy was talking about, you know, just sitting on music, sitting on music.

I'm like, man, I'm sitting on so much music. And I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to do that this year. So I set up, it took about a week. I set up and I took all of my hard drives back all the way from 2008. And I just started putting all these beats and songs and song ideas on one hard drive.

And then I made copies of that hard drive. It came out to be thousands of files. I had to scale it down to the hundreds. Then I scaled it down to like my favorite, maybe 10 beats for Buck, 10 beats for Crazy Bone and 10 beats for a Paul album and like another 10 for a Paul solo, just instrumental album.

And now I'm getting to it. And I told myself that starting this Friday, I will bring out a new song every two to three weeks for the rest of this year. Hell yeah. I'm also excited though, because you said you're bringing beats from 2008, like that's gonna be like some OG- There's stuff in there from the 90s.

DJ Paul shit. Yeah, yeah. That's exciting. Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's gonna be nostalgic. I can't wait to hear these projects. Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to do this year, man. Just every two, y'all subscribe to my Spotify,

follow me on social media. Every two, three weeks, I'm my Spotify. Follow me on social media. Every two or three weeks, I'm gonna bring something out. I don't care if it's just like we talked about earlier about the musician bringing out just some music derived to, with nothing on it, with no vocals on it. I might just bring out a few of those. I'm just gonna bring out something. Do it. I do it.

If anybody can do it, it's you. In closing, the last question I wanna ask you is, in 50 years, when people talk about DJ Paul, what do you want your legacy to be? If you could see it through your eyes and paint the picture for anybody, what do you want them to remember about you? Man, just what I brought to the music industry,

like the whole creating crunk music, obviously, creating crunk music and putting that whole energy, that whole tear the club up, fight music energy into rap music, you know, that went on to go into other kinds of music. into rap music, you know, that went on to go into other kinds of music. Like when I listen to, when you listen to some of the drum patterns and those little dry snares

that I started, like you hear that in country music these days, you hear that in all kinds of stuff. Like it's all over the place. Like you hear it in so much. You hear it in EDM. You hear it in funk music. You hear it in everything. So like this whole like little dirty little distorted bass sound that I was playing around with as a kid is all over the place right now. And just that, just my contribution to music. You know?

Do you feel like you've gotten your flowers enough? Of course. I used to then, until I made that most known unknown album. That's a little too many flowers. So yeah, yeah, I get it enough. Good. You know, some people always be like, oh man, you never get mentioned and mentioned and this and that,

but they just don't know. I really don't like getting mentioned. Yeah, I'm like cool. I like to fly under the radar. Like, give me my awards and this and that. And you can shout me out here and there, but I don't want a lot of attention. I never wanted a lot of attention.

I'm still the dude that go around with no security and I'm fucking sitting up in Whole Foods reading the ingredients on the back of ketchup. Like I don't, I don't want to be like, no, like, hey man, that's you, you're the guy from Three Seasons Mafia. I'm like, oh God. And I'm just trying to see, okay, I'm telling him like, you know, if it's at the top of the ingredients,

there's more of it in here than anything else. So just so you know that. If it's at the bottom, then it's less of that. So like right here, it's that cane sugar that made you got, it's on the third row, that made me got a lot of cane sugar. So I'm more of that dude. So Paul's in his peaceful era.

He's ready to watch HGTV, decorate houses. I can just, you're in your peaceful era and we dig it. Yeah, I've been like that. Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for coming on today. Thanks for having me. I'm so glad we finally got to sit down. Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time,

but it's all about timing. Yeah, absolutely. I truly believe in that. So you want to shout out your socials or just Google DJ Paul, or if you don't know. Yeah, social media. Mostly all of them is at DJ Paul KOM, like in King of Memphis. That's my YouTube, subscribe to my YouTube. I'm always loading some stuff on there. Just Instagram, I do talk back to the fans.

My Twitter, I love DJ Paul K.O. and Facebook, whatever, whatever. Yeah, now I'm finna start getting active on my Twitch and my TikTok more. You told me to start doing my TikTok. I told you. And they be always telling me to do Twitch. I never touched my Twitch.

I went on T-Pain's Twitch one day and no automatically start getting a lot of followers just cause they like, man, let's do this funny. And they was just watching. So I got to start getting more active on this stuff. You know, you'll do it. I feel like you've set a lot of goals for yourself this year and I think you're going to crush it's only fucking February and you're already crushing it. So it goes fast though. Yeah. I don't even remember January. Yeah, no. Well, I do. It's only fucking February. And you're already crushing it. So. It goes fast though.

Yeah. I don't even remember January. Yeah, no, well I do. It was 84 days long. It fucking was never gonna end. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank you so much, Paul. And I can't wait to have you back.

Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Don Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye. Guess what kind of bra I'm wearing guys?

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