Dumb Blonde - Dog The Bounty Hunter: Life After Beth

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

Bunnie Xo sits down with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife, Francie Chapman, for a raw and powerful conversation about faith, loss, redemption, and life in the public eye. Dog opens up about his complicated childhood, revealing that the man he believed to be his biological father was not—and sharing how an abusive upbringing and time running with the Devil’s Disciples ultimately led him to find purpose as a bounty hunter and man of faith.Francie speaks candidly about the devastating loss of her grandson and the pain of grieving under intense media scrutiny. Together, they reflect on the shared grief that brought them together, the backlash surrounding Dog’s remarriage after Beth’s passing, and the challenges of rebuilding a life after profound loss.Dog also opens up about Beth’s final days, her warnings, and the weight of carrying on without her, while sharing stories about his children, including his son Gary’s career in law enforcement and the family’s ongoing struggles with fame. The conversation touches on their future plans—writing bail in Georgia, filming their work, and doing prison interventions—all driven by a mission to help others and save souls.Equal parts emotional and uplifting, this episode is a testament to resilience, faith, and finding purpose through pain—wrapped up with heartfelt reflections, laughter, and a reminder that family and belief can carry you through even the darkest chapters.Dog the Bounty Hunter: WebsiteWatch Full Episodes & More:YouTubeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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y2k heart beat dog the bounty hunter is here along with his wife uh francy chapman thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you for having us. I'm so excited. So just to elaborate on what you were just talking about, you were adopted. Yes. And your dad that, my birth mom, who she told me was my birth father was, I found out from ancestry, is not my birth father. Right. And it was somebody completely different. I found out because a guy that was on there messaged me and said, I think I'm your brother. And so we are siblings. And so who I thought my birth father was is not. It's someone completely different. Luckily, I didn't meet my birth dad. That would have been really awkward. So we're meeting tonight for the first time in Nashville. So I'm excited.

We've been talking on the phone. He's such a great guy. and so he lives in Indiana and they're coming to town and so we're going to have dinner with them tonight so I'm excited how does that make you feel well she you know she just lost her grandson and she has another son so she has no you know I have how many kids 13 13 from what I researched 13 27 or 28 now grandkids or great grandkids wow that's a legacy yes Amen. Hallelujah. Yeah. And yeah, she, you know, is sad because grandson passed. Yeah. And this helps her a little bit, you know, especially right now through the holidays and all that. My son Greg's wife, this would have been the year that we share, boy, I call him, Anthony, with Greg. And he'd stay with us in Georgia and then go back, you know, because this is the longest.

break they get in school. Right. So it's rough on francy right now. So any positive thing that we can do or, you know, gets are going and, you know, they're so sweet. You know, the Bible says, as you know, that death is the last enemy that shall be whipped. And we all have to face it and we all have to go through. You know, we've lost a lot of people in our family.

I lost my firstborn daughter and a car wreck in Alaska. Yes. At, of course, Beth, my mom, my dad, my grandpa, all my great grannies, you know. That's what I've noticed just by researching you is like for every high that you have had in your life, there is always a low that kind of like, I don't want to say overshadows it, but kind of like shadows all the brightness in your life. Well, there was one reason, okay, and we'll tell you how we met, excuse me, but I never would have married a rancher, you know, straight out of high. You weren't in my little black book either. Whatever. You know what?

Me and my husband are not each other's types either. And we've been together a decade. So, yeah, it happens that way. It does. Yes, it does. At the beginning, I was like, okay, God, what are you doing to me here? Yeah. I've never been with anybody with long blonde hair.

Dog has charisma, though. I dare, he's got swag. He's swagged out. Yes, he is. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you both. You're welcome.

Get all big-headed. is my face red. But yeah, she's amazing. But what I was going to say is, I said, will you marry me like quick? And she said, as long as you serve, I'm going to cry. She said, as long as you serve the Lord, your God with all your heart. And when I started doing that, just while back about four months ago. And, well, I really dedicated, though, like.

90 days ago. And that was it. I'm sick of the devil's ass. Can you say, we're all sick of the devil's ass. And so, he's robbed us of so much. Yeah.

So the closer you get and walk and faith and all that, all that is real. I mean, it's absolutely real. Yes. So we're not going to face none of that caca anymore. Like I said, you can't,

we can't, you know, the Bible says, man is, you know, that's our obligation is to someday pass away. it says die and so uh but that don't mean you have to die sad and you know stuff like that so we're not going to be like we ever have been we're living every day to the absolute fullest until

until we go home that's it you two you guys are now that i know that you're also very open about your faith but dog you have always been so open about your faith where where was the moment that you felt that god was like undeniably real in your life Well, I was raised Assembly of God, a Pentecostal, and I'll die a Pentecostal. I was raised Southern Pentecostal. Oh, we're it? We're crazy. Yeah, we are.

Not the snake guys. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I told her that once and she said, she was Pentecostal. I go, not the snake one. She goes, what? I go, never mind. Yeah, no, no. I didn't know what that was.

Never mind, Rancher. Yeah. So, yeah, I've always let that. I was the first one on television to, say prayers in Jesus' name amen. And Nancy Dubuque said, I don't know, we have a lot of different religions that watch this, you know, A&E. Well, back then, they just had biography, you know. And so she said, I'll let you try it in the first few shows. So we, the head person, Victoria Gotti, hello, Victoria, Aloha, was, I'm sure she watches you too. But she's,

God, Victoria, come on the podcast, please. Yeah, she will. Yeah, she is. I've had all the mob wives. on the podcast. So I love that. I went out to her house, saw her dad's old Cadillac and still sitting there. Yeah. Yeah. But so she was the leader. And then we beat her. So Nancy Dubu brought me to the A&E headquarters and said, listen, I don't care what name he used, Buddha, whatever, but this Jesus, something going on with him. You just beat all records of anybody. And the next day, Victoria Goddy was knocking on the hotel room door at the Hilton in New York. open the door right now and i thought oh no she's such a g yeah oh yeah she fear yes so yeah it's uh uh and she you know she said how did you do it and i said jesus jesus she said i'm going

to give you your last wish right now white boy i still i'm half a patchy i'm not all the way white you're not the teliano i said no i'm not so i love listening to you talk about all that I'm so proud of you all the time. Yes, I love you so much. We have waters here for you. Please. You've walked with like the darkest of darkest and people. You've seen so much darkness yourself.

Is there any moment that you've seen something so dark that has made you question your faith? I have abandoned God and wound up in jail for murder that I didn't do. We're going to get there. than 24 hours of what I said. Yeah. So God has never, ever abandoned me. I don't care what I've done, what I've done a lot, a lot of sinning. I've done more sinning than average hell's angel because I wrote the devil's disciples,

which was a sister club to the hell's angels. So, and he never, ever abandoned me. And he's, you know, for someone to die for me and, you know, give his life, you know, I could at least believe in him and love him and asking for things. Oh, that's good water. Oh, it's the best. Yes. See that.

So, yeah, I think faith and both of us has a lot to do. And, you know, I've probably been higher than any angel on dope there is. I mean, on dope, that didn't come out right. Sorry, Lord. I got what you're saying. Slow down. with that one. We had one angel, Lord, that's all doped up. Can you believe a third of the angels went with that prick? Sorry. That's all right. A third. That's a lot. Yeah, that is a lot.

And I bet they're regretting their decisions now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I bet they are. I mean, he is a persuasive mofo. Oh, yeah. I mean, look what, look what he's done on the earth, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's go back to your calling because I want to, that's what I'm calling your, the whole beginning of your life, because all of us, I feel like, have a purpose and we have a calling and what happened in the beginning of our life shaped us to put us on the path to our calling. So I've heard you talk very openly about how you grew up in the Assembly of God and that you played the tambourine and stuff like that.

But behind even the faith, you grew up in a pretty abusive household. Can we talk about your relationship with your father and how that kind of shaped you as a child? Well, you know, my dad believed in sparing the rod, spoiling the child. and it wasn't, you know, like he. So I'd have to pull my pants down, even my underwear in front of my two sisters, and he made this, like, board thing, and he would wail on me. And he didn't hit me in the buttocks.

He hit me in the back of the thighs. I was 52 years old in Hawaii. I got a sunburn, and I got in the car and it, like that, and I pulled over and started bawling because, I mean, it hurt, and I would beg him. I was a number one Kirby guy in America and, A lot of my salesman friend says, say, because I would say, Dad, wait, wait, wait, only one time did he not. You know, I'll do this, I'll do that, I'll do this.

Then I cried, I got beat for screaming. Then I didn't cry. I got beat for not crying. So it wasn't until I was 60-something, no, 68? No, you were in your early 60s. Right before my sister passed away. She's younger than me. And she called me and said, your dad, our dad is not your dad.

your dad is some Indian on the reservation mom used to take you to and my mom used to say you know I have a son that that just found us be and he was his mom was 15 and I was 15 when we made him right we did a DNA and he's my son so my mom said uh I don't go into that but my mom said you can get pregnant just one time accidentally I go mom what if you're drunk or something she goes even if you're drunk so my mom and her mom got into a big fight on her 18th birthday and uh she went out and got drunk and had sex with this guy and he had a uh grant she went to color out of school of mines and for a nurse you know she never finished that paula just told me the day and he had a free grant because uh native american right and so uh that's my father but at the very

last me and my dad started getting along we went bounty hunting together i made him a bondsman in colorado this was your technically your stepfather you thought was your dad okay and then i got a call right before i met francy and this lady elderly lady of the cloth my mom would say to say uh Navajo called me and said i saw a couple things you know that you talked on do you want to meet your daddy's 85 years old and i said ma'am i had i had a dad at his name was Wesley Duay Chapman, and you tell my biological father that I hope he believes in Jesus and I'll see him in heaven. And the Chiracow was the only Native American tribe. There's even other Apaches that didn't believe in Jesus, but Geronimo and all them believed in Jesus. And Geronimo

prophesied his, you know, his death riding the iron horse to the reservation and all that. So, you know, and they hunted. They looked like the Cherokow is the ones that you see that'll wear horns and they can sneak right up to deer. And I started thinking about, no wonder, I looked like this. And I used to be able to sneak right up and make a drug deal with people. Not no more, though. They see me now.

They go start running. Oh, he must be wanted. One guy. That's part of why you hunt people so well. Yes, we were in Florida. It's in your nature. Yeah. At the Kines House.

and I went up to get gas that day and the guy had a black band and I pulled up right and I went in to buy cigarettes or something right and the guy was like what's that guy running for? I go, I don't know. He goes, I'll bet that man is hot.

And so I went back a couple days ago a couple days after he goes, we never did catch that guy but that was a stolen van as soon as he seen you, he took off. And I've had people, we always buy high, I drive her truck, high big truck a diesel and I look you know I'll look down like that and they'll look up

they'll put their seatbelt out real quick and you go like this oh dog right so I mean I'm very proud to be who I am and proud to uh I tell her all the times you should tell me that and I say I love you so much she goes I love you I go thank you francy yeah you guys are the cutest she's so particular and I'll put one thing over there like that little uh guy in the middle. I'll put it on the end because I think it looks better, right? And I'll come back in and it's switch back to where it was. Everything has us. I love that you're so on it though that you're like, you can see what he does and you just quietly move it. Yeah, she does it. Everything has a place. And she does it now when I, uh, when I'm either asleep or not paying any attention.

And then I come back in, I'm like, Samson, my dog. Did you see mommy move that? You should have told that. Oh, I love that. But. So going back, because that was a lot to unpack in that statement that you had said was, okay, so you found out that your stepfather, who was being abusive to you, actually wasn't your father, and that you had the opportunity to meet your dad, your real biological father, and you said you turned that down. Yes. Most people would never do that. What was behind that decision?

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Love. Oh. He never got to see the show Dog the Bounty Hunter. But in Colorado, I was, I arrested the Capitol he'll rapists, raped 10 women at the Capitol area. Anybody that came available, I arrested. And my dad got to see that I changed my life. Him or my mother never got to see the show dog, the bounty hunter. Wow. And but, you know, in heaven they are because I know that my dad made it too.

And I know that once in a while the Bible says that they can look down and see us. So once a while, God, my mom's name was Barbara, is Barbara. and he'll go, Barbara, on the speaker of Barbara herself, or Iron 3, look down at your son, quick, quick, hurry up, for you backslides. And she gets to see, you know, and Anthony gets to see me, ma, you know. Well, so from that situation that you grew up in, you ended up leaving home. And that sent you on a path to joining the devil's disciples, correct? And like you were about 15 when that happened.

14 when I ran away. Right. And you quit school in seventh grade. Yes. Take me on this journey of leaving home at such a young age and, you know, finding people to protect you because essentially joining a bike gang is you're looking for some sort of protection or something to belong to. Well, I was in the sixth grade and, you know, back in the second, third, fourth grade, you could shower with guys. And so I wouldn't shower. I dropped out of recess, I mean, out of sports.

I love sports, still do, right? Especially football. And so they all said. Because you didn't want to change. Yeah, the kids were. Go ahead. Your legs were black and blue. Yes.

And so the kids. And he didn't want to have to change in front of anybody. The kids were teasing me. So, you know, I went to Mr. Sipes. I'll never forget his name. And, you know, pull my pants down and showed him. And he said, you sit right there.

whatever you do, he can't tell my dad. Lo and behold, my dad came in there, and there's teeth and all looking at me all crazy, right? And I'm like, oh, man. So I sat right there, Mr. Seipps ratted me off. So then my dad beat me when I got home. So then three or four, a year later maybe, I had a, I was 14 and a half.

I had enough of it. And I had this big buoy knife, right, that I'd use for hunting. And so my dad, my mom came in, she's like, Wes, you know, stop. He's getting too old to be beat like that. And she, he pushed her. So I backed into the closet.

I told him, listen, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'll gut you like a pig. You ever touch mom. And so he threw all my stuff from the bedroom out the window and I went to live with my grandpa. And then I went to Phoenix, Arizona a couple times, got in with the brothers there, and then became a full-fledged devil's disciple. So, yes.

Well, and that started because you liked, like Bunny said, you had liked the fact that the brothers all rode together. And they could protect you. They had this connection that couldn't be broken. Yes. And then my dad and my mom, they had a camper, a small, well, not small Mitchell camper. And I said, you want to come to Arizona meet the brothers? And I thought, yeah, they're going to knock him out, right? So we did a barbecue out in the clubhouse area, right?

And so I saw them all, I was set with my mom in the camper. And I go, my mom's like, look at you, dad. He's just laughing away. I said, yeah, until they get to know him, they're going to beat him up. And so I went to the president. That's what you wanted. Yeah, and I went to the president name, Who, Dad? And he goes, man, I wish I'd had a dad that cool.

I'm like, oh, my God, right? You're like, if you only knew. Yeah, it backfired on me. And I wasn't going to tell them, them brothers, you know, he beat me, y'all black and blue. Right. Well, and your sister and I have had some of those conversations. Your mom protected you so much because of what happened. And she got pregnant and your dad was willing to marry her.

But he also resented you for it. And he was an angry guy. Yeah, he was a, what do you call it drunk? Well, he was also a boxer in the Navy for us. Yeah, he taught me out of box. I mean, to be punching on a child when you're a professional boxer is brutal. But he would box with me, take the hose and put it around like a ring. And he'd say, come on, come on, right.

So pop, how I clip him a couple times. And so I was like, man. And my mom say, don't do that. You know, don't call Mike Tyson a punk in his face. You know what I mean? Right. Because when I hit him like that, he'd get mad and hurt me. Right.

So then he put me under karate where I got a black belt in karate. So I can, you know, still, you know, I can't beat Francie up, but I can beat anybody else. Well, she's a rancher. I don't think you'd be able to. No, I would never. I'm just kidding. I love to. So moving on.

Bring it on. Can you tell us the story about how you got your name dog? Because I thought this was actually really cool. So when we, I still do it all the time. every time before we eat as bikers i would say you know all right everybody let's say the blessing and we all didn't hold hands in a circle but uh they go okay because some of the stuff they ate man one guy told me one time i think it was pete disciples said why yo he's praying i go you want to eat that without praying how long you think that's been dead is it still dead because they'll eat

raw like not cooked seared on one side of you know i mean like in your mouth bloody kind oh i can't do that so no and so i would pray so my president uh they he gives you the names so i was a prospect i didn't want a prospect for those six months so uh they one day i heard you know they pulled up i thought uh oh it was in arizona and uh he he came to the door it's never locked for prez and so he comes in he sits down he goes so you don't want a prospect for six months. I go, no, because they caught me partying with the Hells Angels, right, at the Jimmy Hendricks and Janice Joplin concert, right?

And she was almost at a Hell's Angel herself. They loved her. And so the president said, well. Janice Joplin was? Yeah. Wow. Well, her first album, you'll see a Hell's Angel signagia. Wow.

And back then, still today, if you ain't a Hells Angel, you better not say you, were ever because they're you know they're uh dumb they're still the number one bike gang in america and abroad yes so uh he said well why i said cause he goes well you're over there with the hell's angels like oh yeah you know the guy's name and i go so the hell's angel told my presence said listen that little guy we were all sitting there smoke with these hippies and drinking wine you know at the concert yay like in a church pentecostal praise in the lord Well, it wasn't the Lord we was praising. Really?

Well, I was thinking the other day, you know, you're sitting at a concert four or five hours to hear five songs, but you can't sit in church for two. Right. That's true. So anyway, he said, I'm going to nickname you dog because I know I'm a man's best friend. And he said, you can fight. And I told him about my dad. And he said, well, I'm going to name you dog because you're always saying prayers and you are man's best friend. best friend. And the sergeant of arms, it just went to the joint for murder. So I'm going to see what

you do with the sergeant of arms. So he told little Pat the vice president, say, go out there on the bike, get his, get his colors on Pat's bike. And he kind of, eh. And so he said, I hereby call you dog because that's God spelled backwards. And so little Pat said, okay, puppy. And my president said, don't call him that. And he said, you might want to call him a mutt. But don't, and I had fake idea. If they'd ever found out I wasn't 18, they would have never found me. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I've seen things that, you know, only in prison, you see. No, your testimony is insane as I was researching it last night. So for the new listeners at home who aren't familiar with you and didn't have the privilege of being able to grow up with you, can we touch base on the arrest of where you kind of found God and

changed your life you got arrested for um it was first degree a first degree murder conviction in texas well i'd already you know been close to god okay yeah but one night my brother walked away right one night my brother-in-law said something i was driving my chopper drunk and my page went off kept going off so i called him i go what's up he was my best fan at my first wedding and he was a convict too but he's the he's still i talked to him what at once twice a week he's 85 going on 86 and he's a great guy and I told him screw god and screw you what a long life though oh yeah 86 to live to 86 what a privilege yeah he went to prison for robbery grocery store and one of his guys got his friends got killed by a cop and then he's been um he's been a prison chaplain

for a long time and now he's 85 he's got the greatest stories yeah and he just told me the other day, he said, he had a street gang. And he goes, this is why when I heard you join them. And I go, what was the name of it? And he goes, you're never going to believe it. And I go, what was it, Dave? Devil's disciples. So it all comes around. I'm like, oh. So, we're talking about what landed you in prison for the first time. So I was in Pampa. We were just, I quit doing felonies when Dwayne Lee, my first that I knew. of first son was born. Which, it said you got married at 16?

No, 17. 17. No, 18 to Lafonda. Okay, gotcha. But I lived with the girl at 15. Got you. Okay. And so, but legally married, I was 18.

You were in Pampa. I was in Pampa. And I didn't do felonies because Dwayne Lee, I promised God I won't do felonies, but I supervised him. So I brought the president. You were bribing God. I brought the president of the Haiti's heads from Colorado, Ray, Ray, to Pampa, and I told him, man, people just walk across the street here with bags of money

in their hand going across the street to deposit it. Yeah. You know, I robbed, well, back then they weren't banks. They were savings and loans. And, you know, I was a, I stick them up, you know. Right. I robbed places with shotguns and stuff. Yeah.

And so they called me up and said, you want to buy pot? And I said, yeah, we need some. Well, the only pot there was this pimp named. Jerry Oliver, who was my good friend, because I wasn't raised in the South. You know, I didn't know nothing about that, how racist they were, really were. So my brother and his Donny Cockdown, Ruben Garza, Cheryl and Fisher picked me up with some other guy in the car. And I had my coyote caller.

Well, I didn't have that because I could sound like a rabbit and my 308 rifle. And we've done it before, so we're going to do it at night right this time. in the day and we have big bright lights we could see them right and so they said we're going you missed all that you skipped over all that what's that you guys were going coyote hunting oh well we were yeah so then on the way there this guy said we're going to rob so on the way yeah i love it my idea jim curry when he goes back was like in the nut house so i just say he probably has told the story so many times that it's easy to just brush over things yes i'm sorry. So the guy said they're going to rob Jerry. I said, I threw that guy out of the car.

And then Donnie was saying, try this. I said, the guy knows me. He's my friend. And he bought this big sack, had a whole bunch of booze it. So I ripped it on purpose. So I told him, you go. He goes, I'll go. I'll go in and get the dope. No, I'll go in, man. I'll go in. Okay, go. So I had this shotgun that was the one thing that I had sold it for 35 bucks to the guy threw out of the car. And I said, Donnie, go up there. There's a lot happening in this car. Yes. I said, Donnie, you go ahead and go up there, but don't get nasty with this guy. I'm sure he's got weapons. He's a convict, been in prison twice for pimping and pandering. And so, and he looked like he wore like different color suits and cool. I thought, man, he looked so cool. I saw him walking on the street and pamper one day,

these two girls on both sides of him. And I told, man, what do you do? And he goes, I'm a pimp. I go, oh, I was a pimp too, right? I was a devil's disciple. But I'm going to start a new pimp organization. So I used to park my Harley on his front lawn when I bought by Potter, just go see him and leave it running. And the night crawlers would crawl up for go fishing, right? He'd say, you coming over and he'd wet his grass dad, leave that hog running. I said, all right.

So we were good friends. And so all of a sudden, Donnie goes up to the door. we're all sitting there also we hear a loud boom and i say a lot of times that shotgun blast was so loud and it changed my life forever and ever amen he came running out and the bottom of the shotgun wasn't put on right so it split his hand up so i said get him in the hospital i thought donnie had shot him in the armor hand and on the way there he said i hit him in the shoulder i go what i pulled his long hair back i go you did what i hit him in the shoulder i hit him in the shoulder i go you did what i hit him in the or I go, with what?

The shotgun, you sold so and so. And so I go, where's it at? It's right here and he pulls it out of his jacket. And it wasn't still smoking, I don't think. But in my mind, I think there was a little smoke coming out of it, you know, a little spooky, like Jeannie in a bottle stuff. So I said, you guys take the hospital. I went home and told my first wife LaFonda what had happened, the truth.

And we had Prince's phones when it hung up, 911, one listened to everything. And so I went over there. They asked him, was, Brother Love was there. He just died last year, this cop. And he was my good friend, too.

And I'll go back to that in a minute. So I said, taking the hospital. So I went over there, they said, was it, who was it? He said, devil's disciples. He was talking? And they said, was it dog here?

And he goes, no, is his brothers. So in the morning that I'll never forget the radio, Dwayne Chapman, Donnie Fisher, da, I was being sought for the shotgun slaying massacre of Jerry Oliver last night in Tampa, Texas. And so we all went to jail $50,000 bonds. And we seen a real judge, $500,000 bonds. My grandpa was the only one that had money,

came down and bonded me out, stayed out for a year, got the best lawyer there. I sold my chopper, everything, and they found all four of us guilty. Well, my former wife was sneaking me pills through the jail. I put a little thing out. She'd give me these downers.

And so I was really high when I went to sentencing. And Judge Granger McElheny said, I'm going to hereby sent you to five years. I thought five years for murder in Texas. I thought it was 99. I didn't say that. and he said so hereby release you of hard labor he said uh i didn't understand what that meant right so i kind of laughed because i was so high and i go your honor i could hold a snuff can

over a bear's ass for five years he goes oh is that right minnie mouse and i go my nickname's dog don't you forget it he goes here's something you won't forget i hereby resentence you to five years and one day in the Texas Department of Correction with the hardest labor they got for you. Oh, my gosh. And so everybody waited six months or so to go. I was there in 30 days. Then when I became the story about me being in prison, I got to say the prayers. I was known as dog. I became warden's barber. I was the most spoiled guy in prison. You could not hold a raise. That doesn't surprise me. I had a barbershop where they came the guards. He talks his way out. out and into everything.

He has a horseshoe up his ass. That's what I say about my husband. I'm like, listen, nothing out my, oh, cold. Well, you know what I'm saying. But I always tell my husband, I'm like, you have a horseshoe up your ass.

He could talk his way out of a paper bag. Yes. If he gets pulled over, he gets let go. I get pulled over. They want me to go turn myself in and give him a mug shot. Same.

Yeah. Like, I don't have that kind of luck. What in the world possessed you to say that to that judge in that moment? Was it just because you were high? I was so high. I was. flabbergasted that it was only a nickel five years.

You know, I never heard of no five years from murder in Texas. It's still the biggest state that executes everybody, or you get 99 years. That's it. There's no parole. Yeah. So anyway,

work my way up, six, got the first time I came up for parole, not, right? Second time, you know, I thought,

God, I'll never get this, right? So the head warden, my reputation grew of all the farms, right? He's the best barber there ever is. so warden jacka came to visit me so he said why you did the law had just changed i was convicted in 76

and the law had just changed at 70 from 69 it was where if you walked in and your wife was doing a guy you could legally shoot him there was some law and make my day law yeah that's in Colorado, though. Would you do that to me, make my... Oh, hell, yes. Not a girl. That a girl. And so, uh, she said, I don't need a man. I'll be in free, I'll go to prison, preaching the gospel. Oh, yes. I have told you that before. I'm scared to you. You should. You have to be a little scared of who you're married to. My husband will tell you the same thing. And I'm a little scared to him too. So it keeps it healthy. Yes. So, uh, I told him the story. I just told you. And so that night I went, you know, he just was like listening, right?

Looking at me on wardenished. And so that night, the goon squad came to myself, said, you're under arrest. They read your rights. I go, for what? Landa the warden, you got a problem. You're kicked out of being a barber, everything. And so, because they just made a law after I was a barber that any inmate that has a sharp weapon cannot work around guards.

I use the straight edge, the male Boston, If you were, wait, if you were convicted of murder. No, if you have, if your, if your crime involved a weapon. Oh, got you. So you're not allowed to use any, so you're not having anything. The warden goes, dog, that don't mean you. Warden Horton or Curley Horton was his name. So anyway, back to the head warden.

So I get arrested. Next day you go to court. I walk in, lieutenant, uh, warden, uh, boss Ironhorn, a bunch of them sitting up there, right? And I'm like, and when I got to the thing, they uncuff me, you know, unshackled me and all that. And I'm like, uh-oh, what are they going to do? So I go in there and he said, the warden said, now you told me the story in the barber chair. I happen to know Roof Jordan, the sheriff's dad. And I called Roof Jordan.

And by God, boy, you told me the truth, the whole truth. And maybe quite not nothing but the truth. But I can't believe that Judge Granger, Michael, Lane, he gave you five years in a day. I didn't say because I told him about snuff can, right? Because I'm not sure I'd have got out. So he said, I know your birthday is February 2nd. And he said, I wish I could have done it February the 6th.

And he said, this year, 1979, of the great Lord of something in the great state of Texas, and they still can't. Any warden can override what a judge sentences you to, right? nowadays they call it good time but back then a warden could change the whole thing i never knew that yes i didn't know that either yes well you watch tv don't you when a warden changes you guys a good i've never i've never heard that so well just because it's on tv doesn't mean it's true it's true at least back then it's 79 so uh he said February the 6th 1979 boy you're the hell out of here and the sheriff said that you couldn't join the

army because they say they take women and children before they took me you can't do nothing but you're a damn good guy and he said i want you to go out there dogging i want you to be something all these damn inmates they love you they just love you and i became a bounty hunter in prison you know a guy ran i seen him my big friend i tackled him down and all of a sudden lieutenant threw down the handcuffs and said the magic words hook him up bounty hunter and my favorite shows was guys bounty hunter yeah wanted dead or alive was my favorite show of still today so the inspiration for bounty running yes for watching tv when i was a child and so uh the i got out i went straight to texas wouldn't accept me went straight in ordered my handcuffs out of a you went to

denver denver ordered my handcuff my mom said what are you going to do it so i got a badge so had a couple dumb badges and I ordered one from a comic book. So that's my next question is how somebody who has been in prison, how were you able to do bounty hunting back then were the laws different? Because I know that sometimes people who are, were you a felon? Yeah. Felons weren't allowed to do money hunting legally, were they? No.

Well, back then, yes. Because when I started at 1980, 81, really 79, they, they, there were no laws. There were no bounty hunters. Right, okay. Pop of Thorne was the only. only bounty hunter and he just he did he did it like he wrote bail and caught his own guys right put one guy spent the night at his house i arrested over 10,000 right and so i just went by the law abraham lincoln wrote so i got out went to the post office got the number one most wanted

in colorado scam this guy got him called my mom we took you to the 13 or 14th floor of the federal building in Denver, and I used a big diaper pin, a pin the warrant right on his chest. I went in and told this lady, I'd go, hi, this is 10,000. What's your name? I go, my name's dog the bounty owner. Here's my badge. And I had- They were so freaked out. I love this part of the story, though, because they were so freaked out that you showed up at their building with a guy with a diaper pin and his wanted poster. And his mommy right with me, right? Saying, I just arrested one of your top 10. I want my $10,000. And the lady goes, is this you? I go, ma'am, excuse me, don't you have to go to college to be fed? Well, I'm the receptionist.

I go, well, go get a couple real feds. You see his face, see that? See his name? Is that you? Yes. So these two, you know, men in black came walking out, right? And they said, uh, what now? So I explained him the law that, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Citizens right to arrest, whatever. And so, I said, I need him in 10 grand. They go, come back Monday. I go, oh, no, no, no. You guys are all broke. You know, Nixon resigned and he, uh-uh.

Listen, my mom said, it'll be okay. We'll come back Monday. Came back Monday. They wrote me a check with this carbon thing and said. That's hilarious. You took your mom. Yeah, I know. He took your mommy.

Mom's a gangster. He was a mommy's boy. But she was your protector. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Also, you know. So those mothers that are praying for their kids out there,

just keep praying. it. He prying. Yes. Absolutely. So I went, I'm sorry. You're good. Go ahead. So then all of a sudden, the FBI called me. Keith Paul said, meet me at White Spot. He goes, what are you doing? I go on a bounty on her, man. Where's your badge? I showed him. And I didn't even know what it meant. So I took it to a police supply store to have my name and my, and the cop goes, hi, hi, Officer Chapman. He goes, I go, hi, I'm Officer Chapman. How are you doing? Because then you could have long hair and tats, right? And it goes, good. How are you? Good. How are you? you. I go, good. You know, I don't know. I got this badge and they didn't put my number on it. And he goes, well, I got a thing right back here. They can etch it on. He goes, what's your number anyway? And I'm like, oh, my God, right? Because impersonating, police officer is still a felony in Colorado. Right. It's everywhere. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, and I've told the Lord, you're the one that told me to be a bounty hunter. Now I've been out of jail a year. I'm going right back into cell 11. Oh, no. And so I go, 27109.

he wrote it down right goes in the back i'm thinking oh he's going to call swat he runs my record murder conviction just got out oh my god goes back he goes here you go officer chapman that's my prison number and still today that's on my badge so i was this about to ask where did you pull that number from yeah because that's they you know they well they didn't forget my name yeah you know you became a number but it's i'll never forget that number so he said listen there's bail bondsman you know what that is i go yeah and so i went to this guy named lucky luceroes and it was on and i started to rest of his jumps right and then i met tony robbins and martin sheen and tony robbins yes martin sheen said uh you need to do the osborns i did two of their shows

Sharon loved me Ozzy i loved him we love that and uh jack and they wrote the dog the bounty hunter song and so uh it just went from there i got the tv show but no Never, ever, ever did, I mean, as a Christian, we got a fight, but not like Jesus did. Right. You know, we can win and keep on winning, okay? I don't know about in 10 years or so, but I hope I'm in heaven or we're all raptured. Hey, don't say that. Well, I'll go with you.

I need 20. I need 20 more years. You told me 15, five years ago. No, I told you you had to give me 20. Well, maybe she kind of likes you and wants another five. Just a little bit. need some extra time and we have a lot of stuff to do still tell the lord that you turned a mistake into a mission when did you realize that the world needed a man like you i don't think he ever

realized that he still doesn't he i know you need to speak into that but it amazes me because i didn't know who he was when i met him and then there was covid and and everything was shut down down. And so it was just us. And so when the world opened back up and I started going places with him and I started to see how how people just loved him from all walks of life, love him. And how he loves people genuinely in his heart. He loves people. That's how my husband is too. It's so beautiful to watch a man move like that. And he knows what he came out of, and he wants everybody to have the chance that he had. Well, I was in Texas prison, and the N-word was used, even they called me that inner dog.

And I never heard, I heard grown men, big men at night screaming, Mommy, Mommy, help me, mommy. And I was like, God, they treated them so bad. Never could you ever get a cigarette. Never. And I said, Lord, I'll do this for you. every single person that I catch, whether I didn't know the backseat. Sometimes I put him right next to me,

I learned from experience. And I said, I'll tell everyone about Jesus. And in the beginning I would say about, oh, you know, this guy was burglary of a residence. First time, it was really his girlfriend's house. He broke in to get her stuff. I go, they're going to drop it down.

I go, and I told him my story. And I go, you know that guy is, is really, famous today and so as the cops at here dog they couldn't color i couldn't find the guy i had him in two three days and so i put him in the cell and i like that and they were and i go i'm sorry man you know i wanted to put you in but i didn't know that i could be the one to turn the key and he goes listen dog really deep voice he goes that story was you wasn't it and i go yeah he goes well hell you pray for me right now so i told the guard can i pray so he put his on the bars and i lit up heaven right i don't ever know whatever happened to that guy but uh that was my

purpose you know to go after the not the rich and the famous but to pull and hers to pulls the doomed cell the doomed souls out of the pit of hell that's my calling. You know, it's not in a church. And even though we go to a great church in where we live in Georgia. But we're called to pull people from the gates of hell. Yes. And we're going to keep doing it. Yeah. So we go home. That was poetic, actually. When I heard that it was just like moves you to hear somebody say that, you know. Most people never see the weight of being the protector, what do you feel that that responsibility has cost you in life? Because you are such a protector of everybody around you. And even people who don't know you. I'd have been dead if I

wouldn't hit behind a lot of them. No. I was like, okay. I said, hmm. You know, one time my son, Leel was afraid to go in a door. And the guy got out the back, by the way. And so he hesitated, he goes, Dad, what if there's a bunch of cartel in there? Because we looked in the window, machine guns on the ground and everything, right? I go, son, you remember that story in the Bible where the servant came to Joshua and said, Hey, man, these guys are going to kill us. They're giants. And Josh bowed his head and said, Lord, show my servant, what is there.

And round about the camp, the servant. The servant saw angels with big swords. It was like, I go, Leland, we got us an angel. So right now, let's say the sinner's prayer, Lord, forgive me for all my sins, into your arms. I may come, lead it's like shaking. Oh, dad. Boom, we booted there.

On the ground, I spoke in Spanish. Hands in the air. Don't nobody move, right? Bam, I heard the back door slam, and I knew he got away, right? So I went out, and when I was first talking to her, uh she's in i'm in california hunting the guy she's in uh colorado but what part of colorado were you in elizabeth elizabeth and she tells me the same scripture and i'm like wait a minute how would this white lady who's name is francy i couldn't even remember her name

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I need someone that I could lean on to. I need somebody that knows God and has given her life to God. You know, I just can't do it by myself. You know, I've been with the woman that says 14. And, you know, they were my age. She's the youngest wife I've ever had. And so I was like, I need, I need a, I need a friend. You're getting way ahead of where she's at.

It's okay. She asked about you being the protector and how it weighs on him. Yeah, what has that cost you to be a protector? Why? I'm born to be. I don't understand. Is it something not cool? I don't know. No, it is cool. But it's a heavy burden to bear. To be everybody's protector and to look out for everybody all the time. Like in life has that cost you a sense of like, well, you just actually answered it right there. That's your purpose. And it doesn't even bother you or affect you in that way. You've never thought of it as like, oh my God, I have to just be everybody's protector. It just comes naturally. Yes. He doesn't look at it like that at all because that's, that's who he is. And it's what he's supposed.

to do. And he doesn't know how to do anything else. Yeah, I love that. And he would never even think about not trying to do that. Let's pass forward and talk about these kids, because you have 13 of them. I want to know, he said, yay. Hump and Annaboppa to do the crocodile rock. Let's rock. You have 13 kids who have seen you at your highest and lowest. Some relationships have been beautiful, some strained, some mended, and some are still healing. What do you think your kids would say is your superpower as a father? Well, the Bible says that when you are successful, that you'll leave your grandchildren money.

Now, didn't say nothing about your great-grandchildren, but even my little Gigi, great-granddaughter, she's about 13 now. She gets in trouble or something. And she goes, my grandpa's dog, the bounty hunter, they're like, whoa. They call her dad and goes, is that your dad? And, you know, that's his grandpa, that's her grandpa, my oldest son. Right.

And he goes, yeah, that's, and they're like, oh, okay, we're not going to make her do. Can you get a picture from him? So I said in my first book, if there's a dime left over in the bank account, that's where I met Francie, I made a mistake. But your dad, boys and girls, is giving you everything. I was one of the best dads as far as my, I never, even when I was single, spent the night at a woman's house because who could I get to babysit? Right.

You know, five brats. And I mean brats, okay. No, you just had to get girlfriends to marry you to take care of all those kids. Yeah. Yeah, I ran an ad. Can I say this about baby Lisa? No. Oh, it was cute.

Aw. Okay. Say it. Say it and if we need to cut it out, we can. Yes, you can because I thought it was something else. No, I read an ad in the, in the cone of paper, needed a housekeeper, single father, five children. Because I was a single dad for a lot. I won my kids at court.

And so every girl that came over brought a bottle of wine, right? So I, mm-hmm. So you slept with everyone. Yeah. only like so dog is a lover we can go ahead and say that yeah dog is a lover that's putting it nice yeah yeah so are you mama so uh my baby lisa was like seven and so we take turns every day someone else say the blessing right so i tell her okay baby lisa your time lord thank you for this food and please help dad quit fucking all the maids oh my god i said right right

baby, Lisa. Well, dad, it's true. They're all going to be our mommies. I'm like, because I needed a, you know, a mom. Yes. That is great. I tried a couple and then I divorced them. Oh, my goodness, talk.

So you've lived life on camera as we've all got to see your journey. How do you repair things with your kids privately versus doing it in front of the world for the world to say? All of them now are jam up jelly tight. Thank goodness. see the girls. Listen, if you guys are going to have, they can make it now where you know what cycle to go on to make a boy, don't make any girls because they are. Hallelujah. Let me tell you something. No, my husband and I are to say that through and through. We do not, because we're trying to have a baby. We want boys. We do not want girls.

Well, they continue your cycle. They can figure it out now. Yeah. I'm so grateful that God did not give me girls. Oh, they're so emotional. Oh, my gosh. I couldn't have done it. it. Oh, it's, it's hard. They become little demons from 13 to 17 and a half. I'm like, no, they turn out when they get 21 and all that. Then it's, then they get 35 and they know more than you do. Oh, no. When they hit like 41 or two, then they're like, God, I didn't know you knew so much, dad. Oh, man. You know, baby Lisa's just bare. I've got 20 more years of this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's why you put a ball and chain on them. Oh, my goodness. I'm telling you. I think that that, going back to your question with the kids, when I first met him, you know, I was still, I was still grieving my husband.

And that was one of the first things that I said to him on our very first phone call was, I don't know how you're doing this publicly. Yeah. And now with everything that we've just gone through with my grandson, to have to do that so publicly was so hard. My son and my daughter-in-law are divorced, but my daughter-in-law is my daughter. I love her so much. and she was waiting for my grandson to come home, and he never came home.

It was supposed to fly back the next morning. To have all of that spread all over the Internet, the way that it was, was the most horrific thing that I have ever gone through in my life. I couldn't protect them. I couldn't protect. I couldn't stop what was being said, which was so many lies. TMZ came out with it four hours after we even just found out. We didn't even know what happened yet.

It's so invasive and disgusting. It is, I truly believe there's a special place in hell for all of these people who do this. You're talking about a child. We lost a child. A family, yeah. And we just turned 13, four days before that. We're devastated. What happened?

Are we allowed to talk about? talk about it because I mean it was so public and I remember you guys were actually supposed to come on the pod yes and then that had happened and I saw it and I was like oh my god and I reached out to you guys and I was like I am so sorry like if you guys need us we're here um I can't I can talk about some things I can't talk about everything partly because I'm not ready yeah and partly because my son is struggling so much and the weight and and what he carries, he will carry for the rest of his life. He's a good guy.

He never been arrested, none of that. No record at all. He adores my grandson and my grandson adored him. Yeah. And his gun went off. And there's some special Glock. I don't know. It was a horrible, horrible accident.

And my spun will feel responsible for the rest of him. his life. Oh my gosh. And I can't even imagine caring what he's carrying. And knowing what I'm carrying in the midst of all that, what my daughter-in-law is going through. And the fact that the media just did what they did to us. It's inhumane. It's absolutely makes me sick. It makes me sick. Yeah. And they took pictures of me off of my Instagram and did AI voiceovers and said all, and was putting it all over TikTok and saying all of this horrible stuff that,

like it looked like I was saying about my son and about dog. And it's disgusting. Yeah. We lost a child. Yeah. The world loves a circus. Yeah. It's like they, you can't control it.

And I think that, you know, going back to the question that we were talking about is like when you guys are in the public eye as long as you've been and now that you're married to him, you are part of his circus, how do you guys, I deal with it also. So I get it. How do you guys navigate something so traumatic and the things that you guys have been through with your families privately after it's already just been exploited online? it rocked my whole world. It was very difficult for me, even when I first stepped into his life. We had to shut my social media down at the beginning when we were first together for like six months

because I was getting death threats because we were together. Let's fast forward to there. Let's talk about this and then we'll go back to, we'll talk about Beth. But, you know, you guys got together out kind of briefly from what anybody could see online was that you guys had got together kind of briefly after Beth had passed. How did you guys meet?

How did this relationship unfold? And, you know, take me on that journey with you guys. My husband had passed away from cancer six months prior. It was about eight months. But anyway, prior to Beth. and we lived on a ranch. We had an excavating company, and we plowed snow. And so dogs next-door neighbor, my husband did all the work in the area that he lived in,

and his next-door neighbor was a client. And so when he came to Colorado to do Beth's funeral, they hadn't been at the house for a long time because Beth was sick. and so the driveway was a wreck and from the snow and the wash out and everything and so his neighbor said oh you have to call Bob Frayne because he's the best and he does everybody's stuff

so he had left a message on Bob's phone and now like I'm eight almost a year in to Bob going home and I just really wasn't calling people back anymore and there were oh anthony had bob's phone that day and it was on the couch and i saw that there was messages on it and so i erased the first couple i didn't listen to them

and when i went to go erase the the last message it start playing out loud on the speaker and i half listening to what the guy's saying and i hear him say what I think is this is Doug and I'm looking for Bob and but I'm trying to erase the message and stop it from playing and it won't let me say this so she was at a Holy Ghost toe down and Paige your best friend said go like that so she had it's called a prophecy and so she had come to me and said like, I really feel like God was, I had this dream. And I feel like it's, God's telling me that I'm supposed to tell you,

but I really didn't want to hear it because I was grieving so much. And she's like, I really feel like you're going to meet Dog the Bounty Hunter. And God's going to use you guys to change lives and do all these amazing things. And I was like, sure, okay. And so. She'd never heard of me. Right. don't watch reality. Okay, so you

never, you didn't know who Dogged the Boney Home was at all? No. Wow. I never watched the show. That's crazy. And I had, I didn't even, I didn't know who he was. And so, thanks. Sorry, baby. It's all right. I wasn't a fan of my husband. Whenever I met him, I didn't know who he was either and never, I still don't listen to his music. So it's a good thing. We'll cut that out. I think it's a good time. No, we leave it in. I talk about it all the time. He talks about it. I think. I think. it's a good thing. It is a good thing. So she holds up, she holds up the picture of Beth. Beth just died. And she's like, oh, my girlfriend, she pulls up a picture of dog and Beth from Google.

And she holds it right up to my face. And she's like, this is dog. You have to know who he is. He's from Colorado. Like he's a huge hero, even just in Colorado. And so I'm like, yeah, nope. I have no idea who that dude is and he needs a freaking haircut. Long hair cut. I love it now. I never said you were a long hair freak. But you meant that in your redneck mind. Stop it. Lord.

I did not. So back to the phone call. He's like, let me hear about me. Enough about you. Let's talk about me. Yeah, come on. D-O-G. One-G, not double.

That's new. That's right. so I'm listening trying to erase this message that won't stop playing and I hear the guy say that Carlos is my next door neighbor and so I was like oh shit you know Carlos doesn't know that Bob died and I should call back just even just to let the guy know that you know I'm sorry Bob died and so I call back the number from Bob's phone and I hear this hello shit is Doug is Doug there and he's like who's this I'm like this is Francie and uh you left a message for Bob Doug I'm really sorry but you know Bob died a year ago of cancer and the guy starts bawling and I'm like do the crap is Doug and why is he crying over Bob and all of a sudden I hear the guy take a deep breath and he says, my name's not Doug. It's dog, the bounty hunter.

No way. And there was a long pause, which there is a lot of times if I go, number one, a lot of people even to go stuff, who is it for Doug? Yeah, that's me. So she's, I thought she hung up. Oh, when I said, well, because I said it's dog the bounty hunter. Did it take your breath away because of what your friend had told me? yes yeah like everything she said to me is like flashing in my mind in like three seconds and i'm just

like what's going on right now and so he had just done beth's funeral he was in a really really bad way and so we had like a two hour conversation and that was one of the first things that i said to him was i have no with what the amount of grieving that i have been through everything that i have been through in my life, all the things that I've gone through and everything that I have done, nothing can compare to this. And I don't know how you did that publicly. And he said I had to because it's what, it's what Beth wanted. She didn't want people to forget. She wanted, you know, everybody to know the story and what, you know. And so, um, we talked for a really long time. And And he asked me, he said, all my friends have been having their friends who have lost spouses call me, but there's something about you that's, that's your things that you're saying and something about what you're saying and how you're saying it is different than anybody else I've talked to. And do you think I could call you back? And so I said yes. And we didn't even know what she looked like and you were flirting over the phone. No, I was not flirting. No, he was not dead. And my mom's dead.

Yeah. Okay. My sister, how can you call your sister? She's a good Christian, too. The other one passed. So you were looking at her like a shoulder to lean on us. Okay, got that. A woman, yes. No man, I don't like guys hardly.

Yeah. No, I don't. I get it. I don't like them either. Is there the gang or something? I got it. Or they're your husband. Yeah, exactly.

So, you know, of course, the first phone call after I get off the phone with him is to the friend. And I said to her, are you sitting down right now? And so she's like, oh my gosh, what's happening? And I was like, I just got off the phone with Dog the Bounty Hunter. She was screaming and having a meltdown. What a best friend moment, though. And yes. So it was a year almost before we spoke again. He had, you had the blood clot and you were in the hospital. Oh, my goodness. And you were going through a bunch of stuff with the kids. Yeah.

And, you know, you ended up staying in Colorado. So you didn't move on that quickly after Beth's death. No, everybody says that. Yeah. It was just public fodder. Yes. Years. Wow.

We got married two years later. And like everyone, what I said on Internet, you know, that's why she took away all my passwords to every Internet thing I said. Well, because you're threatening everybody. Who took away the passwords? I did. Good for you. I still won't have any of it. Because I always, you know, I'm at the age where your mama said, you know, one, well,

you should have waited longer because you could have had kids. I said, listen, I'd have been your daddy, but the line was too long. Stop it. That is terrible. Stop it. Listen, I love the feciness and dog. I'm an Aquarius, so I get it. You know, like I totally 100.

Oh my gosh, when we go places, that's why we were, when we were talking earlier and I gave him permission to, but normally when we go places, I'm in the front row going, oh, I just pray. So you're like the calm to his storm. Yes. Oh, no. There's some stormy. Well, yeah.

But it seems like you guys feed off of each other in a loving and healthy way. We do. Because sometimes when two storms come together, it can create a bigger storm. And you guys seem like you guys both. know when to lean on the other. Well, I'm the thunder. She's the lightning. Ah, I love that.

So I don't know what's more powerful. Yeah. I love that so much. Jesus said I threw God. I saw Satan fall from heaven. Fall from heaven like lightning. So I wonder if he's all burned up and looks like caca instead of some handsome guy. Yeah.

Just a crispy dude. That's so funny. Since you guys have lost love and, you know, been through so much loss in your life, what does love look like now that you're both rebuilding together? Oh, who's that I see walking in my mood? I always live in a red ride. I think that we are very, we don't take, we definitely don't take things for granted. Yeah.

We don't take each other for granted. We don't take what we have for granted because we have. we have witnessed firsthand what it's like to have it ripped from you. And we both are so passionate about because of what we've been through. The drugs and I was molested by my brother, all of my growing up. And that threw me into the drug life in Miami. And I married my drug dealer. Wow. Drug wife in Miami is no joke either.

Yeah. I married my drug dealer. Now, well, how much drugs? What kind of you sell? ounces of coke or what? Yeah, I was, I did a lot of drugs. Well, what kind of? What did you sell?

Yeah, same. Kilos, ounces. Same. Yeah, same. So now with everything that that we've been through and what we've lost, We know that we want to spend every moment loving each other that we can, that we have together. And we want to do everything that we can to change as many lives for the good as we can while we're here because of everything that we've lost. I love that.

You guys are super cute, though. I love the energy you guys have between you too. Thank you. So let's rewind just a little bit. And we're just going to touch on Beth. and then I will let you guys out of here. We'll do a closing. But how did her illness in passing change the way that you love and that you forgive?

Well, I believe, you know, that the Bible says that the hardest member of the body is the tongue. And a lot of men think it's another member of the body. So it's like Tony Robbins and all them. What you say you become. Well, that's way back, you know, when the Bible was written and what you say. So I kept expecting a miracle, okay? And so one day, right before she passed, she called me, we were at Colorado, but she passed in Hawaii.

She wanted to get out of Colorado and go home. And so she called me in the room. She goes, okay, I know that you're going to get remarried because I told her I never would. I did not think I was going to. That was it. I said the same thing, too. Yeah. I never thought I would either.

And so she goes, you've been called to the ministry and she was thinking in a church preaching it's not that it's the ministry right to everybody I meet and so I haven't wear this right here and so is fancy that you know just in case okay that some you know I'm not handsome handsome but I'm dog the bounty owner I've had the National Enquirer you know girls come up to me in Vegas all that hey baby Caposso and then I go listen you tell the National Enquirer that I said eh eh And then she went here, how did you know? And I go, it's all right.

It's not your fault. So that's not the question. Go back to the question. It's okay. I love hearing him talk. I can listen to him talk forever. We're going to hurry. So I had to say.

Plus, I tell you about my youngest son too. Yeah. So then she said, I know you're going to get remarried, but here's a list of 10 people that you better not marry. And she said, don't let me die in vain. I'll never forget this. you're not going to die she's like face it yes i am and she said and she was really bad she was like down to 107 pounds and so uh you know you guys were the dynamic duo back then yeah

look at what you created with her and dog the bounty hunter do you feel like you guys were more of like best friends instead of like soulmates no built something together no consider her wrestle made she didn't have uh too many friends gotcha okay she was she was a tough cookie yes yes and she showed that on the show oh yeah she didn't hide it no and so uh you know I loved her very much and then when she passed away you know right before I called her and after I called her I was in Colorado we had a back uh Lanai a deck and I was screaming right my bath, you said, you F and B, you told me you would never leave me. I was going to go first, right?

And I was devastated, right? I even had a dream one night when she didn't like flowers when I took her to Hawaii. Then she loved them, right? She didn't like sand either, and then she loved it. And so she was watering these flowers. I went up in heaven. I snuck up behind her. I always had to go like that.

She'd like anyone sneaking up. So I went, hello, and she turned around the water, like, oh big daddy it took you long enough to get here where were you and uh that was a dream you had right yeah and so i thought all right i'm going to go ahead and take a hot shot because i'll go to heaven she's waiting on me right i mean i loved her very very much you know the last few years i loved her and uh and then she died you know it was uh one of the most besides the lose of my mom and my first daughter, you know, it was devastating. Yeah, it was devastating.

You don't ever think that you're going to recover. The weight of the grief is so intense that you don't think that you're going to recover. You can't even see past your own hand in front of you. And you just don't even know how life is going to. ever go on. And that was a big part of when we first got together what people were so mad at him about is because he said publicly on TV that he was never going to get married again. And so people... And they will hold you to the cross. People were so angry. I told me your mom again. And what do you wish people understood about rebuilding after loss? Well, the Bible says

one spouse dies that you're open i don't i knew one guy saw me one day i had this old houseboat and i was being her my son gregg was unloading it and this old man came up to me and said listen i see what they're doing to you i got married one week after my wife died i was married 46 years he couldn't be alone and he said she said when he said i'll never get married uh you know he was probably my age and she said honey if you don't get married right away and i've picked my best friend for you to marry that you never loved me you didn't like a wife you didn't want to help her and he goes by god dog i ask her to marry me and she said i do and i've been married to her now for three happy years so there was good things coming my way and you know how could you do this you're

going to hell because Beth, you know, she looks exactly like Beth. Their hair's like that. I'm like, Beth had Chimongas like out here. Yeah. And they were real. And she had bleach blonde hair. Now, you know, Bets, I mean, Francie's got chavongas too, but her hair is not bleached blonde.

No. And Beth was 5.3. Tell the difference between them. They don't look alike. Beth's 5354 and she's 5, 9, 510. What's wrong with a man that has preference, though? If you like blondes, you like blondes. What's wrong with that?

I get so much stuff about how I'm trying to be like Beth and look like Beth. I've always been blonde. I think you definitely have a more calmer spirit than Beth. I've never met Beth. Didn't get to know her or anything like that. But just from what I've seen on TV of how she presented herself, you're a lot calmer. Oh, she's a firecracker. Let me tell you.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was the best show. The Beth show And she would sing that to me Oh, it ain't about the family It's the best show I say shut up

It's called Dog the Bounty Inn Not Beth the Bounty Inn Well the next show We're gonna get us Dog and Beth on the hunt All right we get I watched you guys religiously My girlfriends and I

We were strippers in Vegas And we would get off at like 6 o'clock in the morning And we would go home, make breakfast And literally just fall asleep watching Dog on here We were all in love with Leland That's awesome going to hook up with Leland.

We didn't care. They still do, yes. Yeah, well, I know Jamie, so I think him and Jamie are adorable. Oh, perfect. Yeah, yeah. We love Jamie. Yeah, yeah. She's sweet.

And let me tell you, I have to say, out of all the girls in the family, Jamie and Cecily are definitely the family protectors. Aw. And we're dealing with somebody right now. And Jamie just, she will not, she is like, I am not quitting. This sucker is not talking about my family. We love Jamie. We had these two guys that, you know, sued us, everything.

I went on, what was it, Inside Edition? And that guy burned me, came to my house as my friend. And now they're both once in prison right now. They owed $1,999,000 to different creditors, a billion dollars. They finally caught him. and now they're gone. So these guys ruined two TV shows for me that were coming back

because of nothing but lies. Who were these people to you? They were, they were friends. Okay. And just con artists. Yes, that's what they were. What do you call it when someone dies and you're really, you know,

your morning and then somebody pops up and says, oh, I paid for best funeral, 86 grand. I saw the black preacher later. later because I had it in a black church and he goes, dog, we did it for you. You know, for free. What do they, what do they call that when you're morning? They're just con artists. Just succubuses.

Yeah. They're just con artists and they were, they were friends with you and Beth prior to and they just, you got to be careful with how that close to you, especially in this day and age. It's so true. And to be me, I mean, to my kids and all that. So Gary Boy. The little blonde is now a police officer in Alabama. I've seen the headlines.

Yeah. And so. Be careful. I am. And so he's, I can't say much about it. But he is a pure cop. Always wanted to be about it.

He is such a good guy and such a good cop. And he just got married to a great nurse. There, well, she's going to graduate in March. And, you know, he, the, the blue code, I mean, you don't, you don't, you back up. up, you know, you don't leave any man there. No. You back up. So the mayor, the police chief, they left my son out there.

And then they reversed the decision or the mayor. City council reversed the decision. And now they got him, you know, working back there, but he can't be on the streets or nothing. Well, it was a car accident, correct? Well, Gary didn't cause the car accident. No. Okay. There was a guy that was high that he tried to pull over.

and the guy pulled away and ran and Gary was almost he was 10 car lengths behind the guy he wasn't even up on him pushing him through traffic and the light and all those things he was that far behind him and the guy ran through the light and he hit a van or a SUV and there were four teenagers in the car one of them was killed which was devastating for everyone and for Gary too he was devastated that that happened and it wasn't his fault and that's that's all we can say about that imagine him his whole life he wanted to be a bounty hunter at three and four years old tried to sneak in if you ever seen that show in my boot I want to be a bounty hunter dad and four now I can do it I know and he's big her dad was is in

the baseball Hall of Fame six four three hundred pounds of muscle best dad. Yeah, best dad. And Gary Boy is built like her dad. Only he's six, too. But I tell him, you know, look what I went through. Way before you were born, Gary, you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth. You have no idea how many times they took away my bail license. How many times they did this. I bet in jail for kidnapping because they said I couldn't do it until I saw the judge. Just keep praying. Just keep going. Don't. worry got his job back now i want him in another department but he's got a lot of stuff to do there but uh you know me going through that kind of stuff i went through helps the kids right yeah yeah

because i see that you've gone through so much turmoil and came out on the other side each time and that's probably what the situation is going even with my grave you know i lost my barber katie my firstborn daughter yes the day before i married beth i was so high to get through that wedding Oh my goodness. Valiums, helsions. I mean, I was not going to do it. Yeah. And A&E said, come on, you know. So you lost your daughter right before you married back. The day before. So you really haven't ever given yourself time to just grieve. Oh, yeah. I did. Every time I would say her name or my mom's, I'd cry. And she prayed with me twice. And there's a time to grieve and trauma. Yeah. And And we all have an appointment, okay, whether you're two or a hundred and two.

Yeah. It is appointed for us. And the Bible says there's a time for mourning, but it's not forever. Right. You know, I know guys and girls, I know a lot of people that go once a month, birthday, a holiday, the day they were married, the day they died, to the grave site. Yeah. They're not there.

You know, I had a guy call me and say, you know, my daughter, was riding shotgun and the guy flipped the car over and this guy called me. I was walking around my pool in Hawaii and he goes, I saw the guy that died too. And let me tell you something, he was sucking for air and it took him. And I go, stop right now. No matter what you say, it's not going to bring Barbary back back. And just like the death penalty. You know, the guy's pride or now lethal injection and all that. And I talked to a lady the other day a couple of years ago, she said, yeah, the guy, I was there. I watched him take his last breath. And the next day, I went to visit my daughter's grave. And nothing changed, dog. Yeah. So, uh, I get that. I understand that.

Yeah. And your generation doesn't like to feel things either. So you guys just keep on trucking. But I do kind of want to go back to something you just said. You were high when you married Beth. Does that mean that you were in your addiction whenever you were filming Dog the Bounty Hunter? No. Okay. Because I want to clarify that because I know people would probably hear that. Yes. So let's thank you. Yeah, of course. So, no, he. I could, I couldn't do it.

He was, my pastor and Beth had some pills or he okayed him and she gave me some pills to get me through it. To calm you down. And then I'd take more after the wedding dance and all that. And then that was it. Gotcha. I mean, you were grieving your daughter. Yeah, no, blah, blah, blah. I would need a X or something if I was going through something like that.

Yes. But like, what a, what a shadow. to cast on the beginning of a marriage also, you know, to have to go into a marriage with that heavy of a heart. It's just, you're a tough cookie. Yeah, and she, Beth, I'm thinking about her grandmother, who she's named after, but she wasn't tight with her, Elizabeth. Beth never lost her dad.

She lost her dad. And, but her mom passed after Beth passed. No brother, sisters, none of them. so to fit well she was daddy's little girl but to face death like we have done beth i'm glad never had to go through that right because i don't know if beth would have you know would have made it through you know what i mean yeah it's heavy death is heavy um my mom was my favorite and my little boy gary boy was 16 yeah when his mama passed right and he was a spoiled brat she spoiled him so much

out of all the kids. But, yeah, now he's... He's so amazing. We love him. I love him so much. I'm so proud of him. I feel like you've done a good job with all your kids. Even if they've had their own little quirks and stuff like that,

they've all turned out pretty much for the good. Well, I met a guy that his son recorded him drunk eating a cheeseburger. Do you know who remember who that was? Uh-uh. And so I met him with Gene Simmons at a big gig. Yeah. And he got me to the side. He goes, remember that?

And I go, oh, man, he goes, it ruined my career. Oh. And I go, did it? I have to Google that. I don't know who that was. And he said, he said, well, he's doing a show right now in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Because back then they, if you filmed there, it was free. No taxes and all that.

And he said, don't worry. When they're young like that and they're raised, you know, in Hollywood, they are sellout rats. Oh, man. They're not all like that. But as they get older. you know, they, they just mature and they become better. And, well, you know. It's hard raising a kid in the spotlight.

We're doing it right now. Yeah. Well, it was, it was Mel Gibson. Oh, okay. He don't care if I say it. Yeah, no. I mean, it's public record. It devastated him.

Big deal. He was drunk and eating at cheese. Yeah. Excuse me. I felt like saying, well, you're not Jesus. I know one guy that never dialed the wrong number, never jaywalked. His name is Jesus Christ. So, you know, I, to me.

Everybody else is. Yeah, is. Well, I have to say the, for me, as far as all of the kids go, you know, there has been ups and downs and trying to find my way in a relationship with everybody and they're all so different. That's probably got to be hard on you, too. It was tough. To navigate.

And I think the biggest turnaround was with Cecily. Cecily was so close with Beth. And Beth was her best friend. She hated me and swore that we would never, she would never, ever have a relationship with me. And we just both decided that we wanted a relationship. and we made some steps towards each other and have made this huge turnaround.

And we have the most awesome relationship. Yeah, baby Lisa is the all one in Hawaii still. Yeah. And my granddaughter, Abby's in Colorado. And then Madeline, she's born on TV, you know. She just got a driver's license. And I want to tell, you know, it's so expensive over there in Hawaii and stuff.

I keep telling me, because she came and made, because she came and met, her and Madeline came and met Francie at an RV&B. We all stayed there and baby Lisa went on the porch and said, Dad, thank God you married this lady. I love her. And so they have their ups and downs. Baby Lisa is a stubborn little. We all do.

That's family though. Yeah. I think nobody has a perfect family. And we put the fun and dysfunction. You know, and it's like whatever you guys can do to just create a safe, loving environment, those kids will come to you now. They'll be drawn to that naturally. Yes. You know, that's how it was with Bailey when we got custody of her when she was seven years old. She

was so mad at us because we took her from her mom. My husband's, his first baby mother is an addict. She's deep in addiction still to this day. We've had Bailey custody of Bailey for 10 years now. And she's beautiful. She's such a sweetheart. And she's my best friend. I love her to death. She drives me up a wall, but I love her to death. And I just always knew that. that if I just was a steady, safe space for her, that one day she would love me, you know? And I didn't force my love on her. I didn't even force hugs on her.

And now I can't get the kid to stop hugging me. And that's what you have to do. Yeah. With the boys and the girls. Yeah, you have to do that. And Jamie, Beth, and they fought all the time. And I was afraid for Jamie to meet Francie. And Jamie loves her.

She loves Jamie. Jamie's a good chick. Leeland, only one time has Leland, you know, talk bad to me. And then even a year later, just the other day, he's like, I can't believe I did that dad. I said, it's a right. You know, I should have beat you like my dad didn't. Then maybe you wouldn't talk to me like that. No, I'm just kidding. No, Jamie's a sweet chick. I used to talk to her a lot. We used to be, I'd like to say we were friends and I talked to her a lot and she's just a really good woman. Yes. She's great. Yes. Well, I've held you guys for so long.

Let me ask you a couple last questions and then I'll get you guys out of here. But if you could erase everything people think they know about you and start fresh, what would you want the world to understand about dog, the bounty hunter? And now, Francie. Ooh. Well, you know, I think, you know, people say, well, we start it like this. People say, if your dad wouldn't have beat you, you wouldn't become the man that you are. And I say, I would have been the head of the FBI.

Yeah. You would have taken a different path. And Lord, please forgive me and don't let it happen ever again in Jesus' name. But the things I and Francie's been through made us Dwayne Dogg. And how do you say your friend? Francie. No, the other way. Francis Patrice.

Yeah. So that has made us both to who we are today. There are a few things that I wish, I shouldn't say I wish I could change because the Lord is like, oh, really? How about these beans? So I think God's plan, I finally, you know, it's like the guy that throws out that little round thing when they're swimming because they're drowning. I finally was just almost out of breath that I reached up and grabbed it and pulled myself up. In the side of the boat, I saw this freaking rancher with this great big smile on my face. Was it the great big smile that got you?

Yes, it was. She got such long fingers when she flips me the bird. I thought. No. Sure. Stop it. And lastly, what's one chapter that you haven't lived yet, but you know is coming? It's our next.

Yeah. You can. So we're, we're going to. She's going to, we both are going to write bail again in Georgia. Yay. And we're going to film it. And I have not as many as you and your husband have. But for Dog Chapman, I got $5 million.

That's a lot. Yeah. So then you can go into everything, you know, YouTube where you can actually watch it on TV again and all that. It's not going to be like the show, but we're going after the bad guy. Yeah. Like I said, I'd like you two to go ride along with the girl. Oh, I'd love to. I'd like to ride along with, you know, who, with a guy.

Yeah. I always wanted to do hunting with the celebrities or, oh, hunting with the stars. Yeah. Like dancing with the stars. And then, you know, that'll be just a portion of it. And we want to do, we want to do it, do different things, though. Right.

He's still going to hunt and do that part. Yeah. But we want to do interventions. Yeah. She's a licensed interventionist. She's really good at that. Wow. And just.

And going. we've been going into the prisons and so we're going to continue to do that and so we just want to make it we want he's going to film but it's going to be different it's not going to be like he was doing and he'll still be with leeland and he's got a couple of other guys that he's working with now i would love to help you guys with whatever we just started going to domestic violence relationship i went through a domestic violence relationship but we just started going to to a domestic violence shelters to talk to the women and help them and i really want to start getting involved in more of that.

And I have so many prisons that reach out and want me to come talk to the way in there. So I would love to team up with you guys and help. We would love to do it. That one girl that you're teamed up with? Oh, bra. You should see the reader book and see what she looked like.

Yeah. It's like that old speed commercial. Here's Julie then. And here's Julie now. Right? She's in the prison. The largest prison in Florida is in O'Californ. And it's called Lull.

Wow. And so she is, I'm teaming up with her. And we're, she's already been going into the prisons, but I'm going to start going into the Ocala prison with her. But we are doing that in Georgia also in the prisons. And we've been in a few together, though. Yeah. We've already been.

And Jay would love to go and do the men with you. Yeah, the Louisiana, the biggest, what is it called? We did, um, Missing. Mississippi, Missouri. Louisiana. We did the prison in Louisiana with Ben Fuller and God behind bars. Yeah. Yeah. So we've been doing that and we were, we want to film that East too. And you guys could get a show on like a streaming network. That's what we're exactly doing. Yeah. We're going to start filling it filming ourselves. Netflix. Netflix. Your name is big enough to go to Netflix. Well, what they'll do, okay, because of some guy that got a choke candle,

choke and died, you can't even put a guy in headlock anymore. So where the head goes, the body follows, right? And I got to throw down. I don't know if you've seen the shows, but I can still, I can still knock a few out, right? So, and I'm glad I couldn't be able to carry a gun. Jaime is a big fan, by the way. Oh, sorry. But I've been shot in the head, the leg.

So it's a good thing I didn't carry a gun because I would be up more than 13 Billy the kid, right? Yeah. By the way, and Billy the kid was a bounty hunter. or two, one of the first ones. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we want to do it different. Yeah.

For sure. Well, of course, because you also don't want to get the scrutiny of you guys trying. Yes. Emulate. So yeah, definitely do it your way. But again, who gives a fuck? As long as you guys are in love and you guys are. Oh, I could care less.

Exactly. If you guys are doing, you guys have such good energy. I'm sitting, I've been sitting with you guys for the past two hours. Like I just love how you guys are towards each other. You can tell when people love each other and when they don't, you know? And you guys really have just. just amazing energy together. I love how protective you are of him

because he needs a protector. Yes. Because he's always been the protector. All my friends call me the gatekeeper. Aw, he sounds like me. All these freaking ranchers and handsome truck drivers and freaking tractor guys. We first got together and I saw this guy

looked like a banker, right? He was a rancher driving some big old truck, big old belt buckle. And he was like looking at her feet and looking up. And I got to himself. And I thought, you punk so i walked over to her because she was buying something and i said okay honey and i kissed

her on the cheek right and she went and sat down and i walked over to him i go hey you know who i am he's like yeah i go i'll tell you something farmer i'm not a farmer i'm a rancher i go the same thing it's not the same thing no people will come for you for that listen to that it is not the internet that is not the same thing i thought you were a farmer too but i told him listen i have a john deer tattoo you guys need to start telling people you guys met on Farmers Only.com. Yeah. Just start that rumor.

That's awesome. I love it. I went to Christian, uh, Christian. Christian.com. I really did. Christian Mingles. Yeah. Christian Mingles.

Sure. Right. Is that funny. Are you a jealous? Are you a jealous man? The Bible says jealousy is as cruel as a great. That's not the question she asked. Yes, he is.

I love how he goes to Bible versus to deflect. That is not the question. Yes, he is. It's called spinning. I'm one of the best spinners you can ever know. Oh, it's all. My husband does it. Trust me.

Yes. He, well, I told you that man can talk circles. What was the question? Yes. I said, are you a jealous man? Barry. Oh, yeah. Passionate.

Both. Yeah. All three. Yeah. Yes. I love that, though. I love you. I, one time, I, you know, sometimes.

Well, I'm. said so some guy said uh yeah man i seen that fine as woman that you got man she is long legged lanky oh la la i go oh is that right so i look like that right wham i hit him right down he went right and then i stood there i had some water told this girl bring me some water and the girls she was jogging what happened i go i don't know so he woke up he goes man he said i don't know he said what happened i said i don't know he said what happened i said i don't know you were saying up about my wife and some guy ran by here and busted you right in the mouth what color was he this is all allegedly right this is alleged was he because he's still trying to come out of it right

i go i don't know it was like that fire guy sho boom shoo he was gone so quick man hell are you okay dog i said yeah you need help to your car no i'm fine i took off quick i hope you don't call the law right oh yes but yes very very and i don't god is a jealous God. Oh, there I go. Thank you, Lord. The Bible says, I am a jealous God. Yeah. You know, it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living God. So he's jealous too. He's, he don't want us going off with Satan. Right. He gets jealous. I set my only son who I begot to die for you. And what if it's not true? You know, I met an atheist. I'll tell you a joke when we close. I met an atheist. and the Bible says there's no such thing that we all have a conscience and we all believe.

So here's the joke. Oh, I have to use the rest of them all pass on it. Have you heard of it? So there was this great white, great white hunter named Buanna. And so Buanna was out hunting by himself. Buona was an atheist, okay? and so Bwana means great white hunter okay so uh all the sudden he was in alaska and he saw this big grizzly stand up and it was right before they hybridate so they're starving right

and they're like above seven feet even eight feet tall when they put when they're stand up grizzly they're one of the most violent bears there is yeah you can't outrun them so he took off running through his rifle took out running and uh He tried to keep, every time he got, kept turn around, kept turn around, the bear got closer, grunted, right? They're like bulldogs. They're not tired. They're as grunt. Yeah.

And so finally got him and he got on top of him and he took his thing, his big paw. Because one swipe would take your head off, right? And so all of a sudden time froze. And he heard the voice of God. No, he goes, oh my God. Then time froze. And so God said, hey, you don't believe in me. Why did you say, just for the bearer is going to kill you?

Oh, my God, if you don't believe in me. And he goes, well, I don't know. He goes, well, listen, do you believe in me now that you hear the voice? And he goes, maybe it's just because I'm freaked out. And maybe I still don't believe it's you. And he said, so let me ask. you this, God. You make the bear a Christian that believes in you, and we'll see what happens. So poof, the bear draws his paw back. The guy's like, wow, right? And the bear's like sitting down

on this thing. He looks at the guy and he goes, dear Lord, thank you for this food and bless it to my body. In Jesus name, amen, as he began to eat the guy. Oh, no. So there's no such a thing. is an atheist right so as long as uh there's a god will be fighting the devil always we're after the devil's heard oh dog thank you so much for being here oh thank you stop it you and francy are just gyms i adore you guys so much and i hope you guys come and visit me more but i want to go i want to come see you guys too so we're going to hang out more the mutiny on the bounty where you i'm ready and the prisons yes you got each other's I definitely would love to have you come in.

I would love to. Yeah, I would love to, love to. And then my friend wants your husband, January 20th in Vegas. He owns, you know those little red knife where they called? It's the guy who owns Swiss Army. Okay. And he's a really good Jewish guy. Okay.

And when I, he heard I was coming to see you guys, he's like, oh man, when you ask him about the ride along, see if he'll come there. I said, I'm sure he will. Yeah, I'll put you in contact with his people. Well, we actually are going to be in Vegas for New Year's. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I think he said it's a 20th, and I told me.

We have something on the calendar on the 20th, don't we? I forget what it is. We'll figure it out. He's going to show up for his thing. No, I, listen, I know. He don't do that. Yeah. Until we meet each other.

Listen, I, every morning I listen to Christian music and praise, you know, for a little bit in the mornings. And every single time I turn on it, it's a song, jelly roll, either wrote or sings with Ben Fuller, what's your name, Dolly Gordon. Hold on. We're calling him right now. My husband's called three times since we've been here. He's probably trying to call before he went in the blind. Yes.

Sorry, I didn't hear my, I didn't see my phone ringing. Let me text him. He's in the blind right now. I think he just sent me a picture. Look, literally this is, that's his view right now. he's bow hunting right now he's in Texas yeah oh here he is hold on let me see that I can't answer the deer 20 yards away here I'm going to send you just pose take a picture one two three I'm going to send that to him I'll get you guys connected I promise yes yes yeah absolutely let me end this really

quick. Thank you guys for listening to another episode of Dunblon. I'll see you guys next week. Aloha. And if you don't choose what next week, what day? We'll let you know. So they'll let you let you know. And if you don't tune in, I will hunt you down. Yeah. Get them, Mar.