Dumb Blonde - Ekoh Music: Vegas Native Goes VIRAL

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

Rapper and self-made artist Ekoh joins Bunnie this week to talk about his journey from writing his first song in rehab to planning huge tours and landing on the charts among Eminem and Juice Wrld. He opens up about growing up in Las Vegas, finding new fans via TikTok, how he taps into the creative process, embracing your inner emo, the work that goes behind his growing online presence, and what we can expect in 2021 including a new album in July and tour in the fall.  Bunnie: www.dumbblondeunrated.com Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com Ekoh: www.ekohmusic.net "My first word was more." - Ekoh "I never thought I would be at where I'm at now." - Ekoh  "My first sentence was 'don't touch it'." - Bunnie  "I just show up online and I'm a community guideline." - Bunnie  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Echo, what's up, baby? How are you? I'm great. How are you? Dude, I'm so happy you're here. I'm happy to be here. This is great. Thanks for having me. I stumbled across you on TikTok for probably a few months ago now.

And I was just like, who is this fucking guy? And then I was like, well, you know, I followed you and I was watching you. And I was like, babe, have you ever heard of Echo? He's like, duh. My jelly was like, dude, he's fucking awesome. And then I found out that you were a vegas fucking native or that you're from vegas yep and i was like oh my god i'm sold because i'm from vegas so i know i saw that and there's not a lot i because i've been following you guys for a little

for a while now yeah so you guys i mean you guys even were living back in vegas yeah a few years ago oh yeah yeah totally like a little bit yeah so when Jay and I first met um I tried to turn him into a fucking west coast dude and that does not happen with southern boys they don't leave their fucking city so he lasts he lasted in Vegas about three or four months and he was like bitch we are going back to the country it's too hot oh it's terrible yeah yeah so tell me okay where do we start how did you get into music? Like what was like, were you born and just like came out rapping out of the vagina or? Pretty much. Yeah.

That's actually exactly how it happened. Really? Do tell. No, it didn't. Not at all. I, I, I didn't, I've always loved just music in general. Right. I grew up listening.

I was like super into underground hip-hop so i was never like i used to hate mainstream rap i don't like mainstream rap either i've i've the longer i've made music the more i've learned to find the things that i like and i think maybe just me getting older has been you know i just try to find things i like instead of hating on shit absolutely for my own mental health it's just better for me. So, but when I was younger, I was like,

fuck mainstream rap. I don't listen to it. I was super into, uh, Jedi mind tricks and people like, like Necro and atmosphere. Oh, love atmosphere.

Like, uh, tech nine, obviously. Yeah. All that kind of shit. And, but I was also like super into pop punk music and

hardcore music when i was growing up so i had these like two different sides to me that i was both but the underground hip-hop scene and punk rock and skateboarding all that shit seemed like it was like a venn diagram where it all kind of meets in the middle right and that's kind of where i lived um but when it came but there was something about rap that always just kind of resonated with me way more than everything. And it was more lyrically how you could talk about things that you were feeling and things you were going through. And I was like a huge fan of Tupac and, um, that, that was what made me want to start writing. Right. And I just started before I even rapped. I just wrote a lot. How old were you when you wrote your first rhyme? Well, did you do like poems or were you?

Yeah. I was kind of how it started. I started like journaling poetry, like short stories, random things like that. And when I was in rehab, I when I was 18, I wrote, I think, my first rap when I was in there. So talk about it. So rehab. What did what what spurred all these? Obviously an addiction.

What was it? Yeah, I was opiates, heroin, cocaine. Were you born and raised in Vegas? I was raised in Vegas. Okay. I feel like everybody that's raised in Vegas develops an opiate addiction. Yeah, it's kind of like. I have one too.

Yeah. I love a Lorderve. Give me a Lorderve. You're from Vegas. What's your fucking drug of choice yeah more yeah exactly yo my first word is was more really it's in my baby book and i was like y'all should have been saving for rehab not college that's hilarious my first word was don't and my first fucking sentence was don't touch it all right how vital to life was that like it's crazy just remember that and you'll be good totally okay so you wrote your first rap when you were in rehab when what made

you decide that you needed to go to rehab like how bad and how severe did the addiction get i didn't decide for myself oh gotcha it was more so decided for me okay um when i went to be it was bad i was you know i was living on the street i had an ultimatum it was either you go to jail or go to rehab right and i was like well fuck it i guess i'll just go to rehab i don't want to go to jail you were living on the street were you kicked out of your house yeah i've been kicked out of my house for months and i was living out of my car for a while then my car broke down and so you know how the cycle goes i was just on to different flop houses and different shitty places that people were staying at you know

like monthlies and stuff like that so um pretty much there was just a time when everybody in my life had had figured out what i was doing and and it all came to a head and it was you know the law had figured it out and you know, my parents had figured out long before and I was only 18. Were you getting in trouble as a child, like with the law or was it just, it was only at, it was at the end of my using when I finally really started getting, I mean, I had gotten in trouble for like underage drinking and you know,

possession here and there, but nothing like too bad. Not like manslaughter or anything like that. No, but yeah. But when it came to like robbery, then it was like, you not like manslaughter or anything like no but yeah but when it came to like robbery then it was like you either go to jail or go to rehab right and it was like i was like okay i'll go to rehab yeah trying to figure that out that's awesome that you were able to you know at least be pushed in that direction did it did you stay sober whenever you got out of rehab yeah wow so it actually worked for you yeah that's awesome because a lot of people that do go to rehab it doesn't like you know stick yeah i think i got really fortunate i don't know

i don't know why necessarily yeah you know i don't know what clicked but it just it did maybe you just didn't want to be that person anymore you know i mean that's for sure but there does become a point where it's there's being sober especially in this industry and this lifestyle is not always easy no not at all trust me i'm going through that right now i've been sober for four years like by choice i don't drink or anything like that and i'm like to the point where i'm like okay i've done a lot of fucking work on myself i've gotten to know myself but my mental health seems worse now that I'm sober, like as far as depression and anxiety. And I'm like, you know, maybe I want to fall off the wagon a little bit and fucking have a drink or two, you know, like it's it's pretty hard.

Well, there is because I agree with that 100 percent because I and I don't know if it necessarily gets worse or you get to feel everything. Yeah, because, you know, at least this person over here gets to check out from it for right you know this amount of time but does it on the other side of it is it worse absolutely and i'm not sure i just know for me if there's a chance that i end up back where i was it's not worth it right you know and i've that's not to say that i haven't developed other addictions to anything under the sun that i've been able to, to find besides drugs and alcohol. Right. Cause that's what always ends up happening.

As soon as I patch up this whole, some, I start something over here. I've fucking wasn't paying attention to that. Now I'm fully immersed in. Dude preach. I always say like, uh, it's like the brain unlocks a new fucking door and it's like, what's behind door number fucking one? What's behind door number two? Like once you think that fucking, you've got something conquered, another fucking thing

just comes at you. Yeah. It's crazy. You actually really do talk about mental health on your TikTok a lot too. Do you deal with that also? Like you said something about social anxiety and. Oh man. I mean, I joke about it because it it's it's what's really going on

oh yeah you know i think you're like me we have to make everything a joke even if it fucking hurts yeah it's full deflection right a thousand absolutely it's me just compartmentalizing yeah and it's actually totally i don't really want to talk about but um yeah and i don't know if have you been diagnosed with anything or is it all self-diagnosis? Anxiety. Yeah, me too. I mean, that was self-diagnosed and then it was diagnosed by a doctor. Right, same.

But I mean, I come from a long line of mental illness in my family and addiction. And the older I get, the more I just see I need to stay on top of it more to try and combat it because I can I feel it coming. Right. Oh, no, it's great. You can feel the darkness creep in. Yeah. And. I hate to blame it on I mean, this this career. It lends itself to an incredible amount of pressure and its own mental shit that comes with it. And it's just, if you're not on top of it, it, it can destroy you. Oh, absolutely. And I've been there, you know, and it, it can get really, really dark and really tough, but that's, you know, in a sense where some of the best art comes from, I guess. Yeah. I always say that I feel like as you guys as artists,

because I know my husband battles severe depression, I always feel like you guys have to tap into that dark place to be your most creative. Do you feel like that? I was thinking about it because this last month has been kind of a tough one. And I was thinking about that particular and it's it's not for me it's not that I tap into it it's that I'm so desperately

need to get away from it no that I need to dive in so to pull yourself out of it you kind of immerse yourself order to distract right you know I have to do something extreme to distract from how I'm feeling or whatever fears you're dealing with or whatever it is. So yeah. And then I guess in that sense, then the best art does come from that. Cause you, you have to fully immerse and figure some shit out just to kind of get away from it. Absolutely. You know? Um, so let's go back to you writing your first song in rehab. What was it kind of like a diary entry or was it actually like a full on song and did you record it? And did that like

create the monster? I think I just started trying to like write rhymes to see if I could, you know, cause there's such a stigma with starting to be a rap career of just, there's still those memes, you know, where it's like, if you think you're having a bad day, remember there's somebody trying to release a mixtape. Yeah. And so there's just that thing in your head where it's like, ah, this is stupid. I shouldn't do it. But you know, it's almost, uh, like a guilty pleasure of like, I'm doing this, but not showing anybody. So I don't even really remember exactly what it was. It was probably some super emo shit.

Right. Knowing me at that time. There's nothing wrong with emo. I love emo. I'm an emo. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, you know, I built a career off that. So, uh, it was probably something like that or me trying to be whoever I was listening to at that time, whether it was Eminem or whatever, it was either me being super emo or me trying to just duplicate or replicate what they were doing. When did you say, okay, this is the path I'm going to take. I'm going to be a fucking rapper. I think when I found my voice. And that was going to be one of my next questions. When did you find, you know, how like every rapper has like a cadence. Are you still finding that? Or do you think you found it? I found it. Yeah. I think you found it too. Now I'm at a point of trying to switch it up and change it and do different kinds of things

and be more creative with it. But I remember that I remember when I found it, when I was recording and I was doing a certain thing with my voice and I was like, Oh, that sounds really cool. I should do that with everything. Right. And it wasn't't perfected but it was at least in the right direction and when I was showing people then it would they would they weren't making fun of it as much anymore but they were like all right this kind of has you know potential for stuff and I showed my best friend at the time and he was super gassed up on it and he wanted to be a part of it and so we kind of love that when the homies are just like, yeah, let's say they're like your biggest hype men. Yeah.

And it's, it's tough because it's, it's hard to find people, you know, even that are around you that will take you seriously. I still have friends that don't take me seriously. He's like, yo, how's that? You know, how's your, how's the music going? Yeah. You're like, bro, check my fucking numbers. Yeah. Numbers don't lie. But I think it was when that started happening that i started thinking that i could maybe do this more but i never had a click like oh this is what i want to do right i always just you know it was just a dog chasing cars so i was always just doing it never thinking kind of throwing shit against the wall i never thought i'd

make it to where i'm at now i never thought i'd be able to do this without having a job. I never thought I'd be able to just do this for a main source of income and this be my job. I just, I like doing it and I wanted to keep doing it. So I just continued. Yeah. Do you feel like the internet has like helped with careers as far as like the rap careers now. Do you think the internet has helped you with getting out there and like reaching more people? What's up guys? Just wanted to take a moment to tell you guys that this podcast is sponsored by adamandeve.com. Wait, what else do I have to say?

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mean that's the only way to do it now there's no other way to oh they make fucking superstars off fucking youtube now justin bieber was discovered off youtube it's tiktok tiktok's everything tiktok's insane yeah it is i'm still trying to figure it out they are always fucking they're always deleting me, man. Like if I do anything wrong, I can't even fucking like sit there and just be like, hey, how you doing? And I get deleted. Community guidelines. Yeah, always.

Nope. Dude, I just show up and I'm a community fucking guideline, you know, it's fucking bullshit. But for you guys, I feel like it literally is like, even my husband fucking just getting on there like more people he's reached more people too so you guys like have this fucking powerhouse of this machine now that you guys can use to just help you boost do you feel like since you've been on tiktok it's pushed you farther out into the spotlight yeah and so i mean i've just started figuring it out also like i think i just broke like a hundred thousand followers or something like that but when you're starting from like scratch again yeah that's that's the daunting thing is i've built up all these other platforms and now they've kind of died out yeah instagram's

garbage hello i say the same thing i tell everybody instagram's fucking dead like there's no point they've ruined it think about this have you ever seen anything go viral on instagram no never i've seen shit go viral on facebook i've seen shit go viral on twitter yep on youtube and shit fucking yeah that's how i feel i've been fucking banned on there three times too yeah it's fucking bullshit dude like literally they fucking have ruined these platforms but i feel like we're like super blessed to have tiktok in our lives right now you know yeah and it's funny because i started doing tiktok during quarantine because i needed to figure something else out to do to to reach a bigger audience absolutely because that's i wake up every day like how can i find more fans that's my main goal yeah you know like where where are they yeah and

how do i get to them so when tiktok was and everybody would talk shit about tiktok like tiktok's fucking whack i was one of them tiktok it's stupid and i'm like all right uh well you know but this motherfucker's blowing up on you absolutely so if the if this person like all the people hating like you can like you should stay hating and i'm gonna just fucking walk just blow right and i'm gonna go over here and that's kind of what happened i was telling all my like rap rap friends that are like for like straight hip-hop rap and i'm like dude you gotta get on tiktok and everybody's like they're like they just weren't trying to hear it i don't really

know i'm like all right fine i think to get on TikTok. And everybody's like, they're like, they just weren't trying to get it. I don't really know. I'm like, all right, fine. I think you have it figured out, though, because even on Instagram and TikTok, the way that you run your page is really dope. Like I'm I always look at things from a branding point of view because I'm just all about branding yourself. And one of my homies actually is an up and coming artist. And I was like, you need to go check out Echo's page. I was like, you need to emulate his formula because he literally, he's crushing it with like the content,

how you do the freestyles. Like you really put a lot of fucking work into what you do. Yeah. People don't realize that that's like a fucking full-time job to keep content rolling in like that. Yeah. Where do you find the drive to do that? He's like,

I don't want to be broke, bitch. Well, I mean, at a point, it's not even about like the money's not at this point, I'm, I'm super obsessive and I want, you know, and it's not even from an ego standpoint, but I've been doing this for a long time and I feel just that

I want my numbers to match what I feel you're worth.'m worth and so how do i how can i do that and you're right it is a job because i'm like i want to set up this fucking mic right now i'm by myself i'm doing everything on my own i'm like i set this fucking thing i set this like i set a tripod i gotta fucking do this and i'm out of this shit i'm like fuck now you know how a sex workers feel we're like fuck i don't want to do this today but we have to do it it's a fucking grind and people just think they they only see that and just think that it's easy. You don't know how much time went into that shit. Oh, yeah.

More time goes into TikTok videos than any other platform. I have to like set aside time to fucking focus on TikTok because it really is. Like you have to like kind of pour your heart and soul into your stuff because you want to keep people coming back. And, you know, you don't want to say anything to fucking offend anybody because everybody's a crybaby nowadays Here's the thing that's dope about tick-tock and here's the thing that is super important about it when people hate on it The thing that I try and say is that the algorithm that they have

Makes people feel because it's true. If you put out something good, it could change your life. Mm-hmm, and it's true That's 100% so all that game right there yeah all that does is bring out the best in everybody yeah and so you're getting the best content on tiktok because people are putting their best content out there because because they know there's potential yeah you know i mean so you're gonna put your best foot forward whereas instagram is like oh fuck it like my fans will see it you know what i mean maybe maybe hopefully hopefully if the fucking algorithms are on my side that day do you feel like being from vegas it's harder for you to get noticed as an artist absolutely i agree because i've grown up there so literally i think who's really made it famous from fucking vegas besides the killers and

like you know imagine dragons ronnie radke fucking falling in reverse um yeah we had like imagine dragons panic at the disco is panic from vegas yeah how did i not fucking know that i mean i don't think they like or i guess he kind of does uh i mean dizzy right it's probably as far as i don't know dizzy was from vegas that's crazy yeah he lives like 15 minutes away or not like five minutes away from me. Why do you feel like it's so hard for Vegas artists to get seen?

Is it because nobody takes us serious out there because we're like Sin City and No, I don't even blow. I don't think it's a national thing. I think it's a local thing. I think locally we don't care. Right. And that's the hard part

is because you can't in a city where you're unable to blow up locally, national, there's going to be no national recognition. Right. So Vegas isn't known for, you know, we never had a sports team until recently. Right. We never had, there was no sense of community. Right. And so people aren't blowing up on like a grassroots type thing.

And I feel like people don't support us out there. They don't support us out there. You know, I had to leave Vegas and moved to Nashville for, in order for people to kind of like be like, Oh, this bitch is not playing. You know, I had to get love outside of Vegas for people, for them to,

it's like a, I've said this so many times. It's like a, like a shitty ex-girlfriend that like doesn't pay attention until some other chick starts showing you attention. And then they're like, yo, what's,

what's good. You know? Yeah. And you want they're like, yo, what's, what's good. You know? Yeah. And you want to be like, yo, fuck you. But you also still want the love from that because that's what you're always kind of,

you know, looking for. It's toxic. It's a toxic relationship. Vegas is a fucking toxic relationship. And I hate it. Cause I, I love so much about the city,

but there's still, there's like this sheath over it that just stops it from, from prospering. Yeah. From people prospering and for people coming together and making something out of the just community wise or tragedy has to happen in Vegas for people to come together. Like when I lived out there,

I didn't even talk to my fucking neighbors. And that was like one thing Jay is like huge on and he would go talk to the neighbors. But that like showed me how different we are is because that's how Vegas is people don't talk to you unless something fucking tragic happens whereas in the country people are borrowing butter and sugar from each other and fucking watching each other's kids you know yeah so it's crazy so I was reading an article that you were like in the charts with Eminem and Juice WRLD and stuff like that how does that feel whenever you see stuff like that going on?

Uh, yeah, that was the last album. It got, I think we got like, I wanted to get like in the top five, but we got close. So,

but also juice world like randomly dropped the same day that shit happens. But it, to be honest with you, like it really doesn't register. Is it like just so surreal to you because you've been working so long or is it just not enough like you're like you want more like you you feel like you're it's not even that it's not enough because it's absolutely like it just doesn't for some there's like a disconnect of being like oh this is this is me this is what's

actually happening right so when i sit and think about it it's overwhelming right i bet but because to be up in the charts with those two artists too is just kind of like fuck yeah but there's also the fact of like uh whenever whenever something good happens in my career i just get anxious right you know because i'm like what am i going to do next like how do i you know i don't i don't celebrate the moment i kind of know because i'm like what am i going to do next like how do i you know i don't i don't celebrate the moment i kind of like i'm worrying about the next thing it's like oh fuck if they love that now i gotta do better yeah like what am i how am i gonna top that what am i what am i gonna do next like i feel like every artist goes through that because my husband is

going through that right now with his song save me and like when you have a song that goes completely fucking viral you're like what the fuck do i do next you know like how am i supposed to like i can't drop the ball because then people are gonna be like oh he fucking sucks you know or how do i top it do i do the same thing again or i can't do the same thing again what was i doing when i made that what was i thinking about when i made that okay okay it's happening that same feeling it's like it's not gonna happen You just have to just continue to evolve and do different things and see where that goes. And that's a hard control to let go of. I can only imagine you guys have so much pressure too. You know, like I, we, we have pressure in our industry too, but being an artist is like a different level. Like it's, I have a different respect

for you guys because my dad was an artist too. it's just like when you you see somebody pour their heart and soul into a project and like if it doesn't do good you see how it crushes them but if it does really good you see the the happiness and the joy from it you know it's like a fucking it's a roller coaster you know that you guys have to go through it is and I think I don't know if I'm just so used to chaos that it's like where I've just kind of found where it makes sense or not thrive or just, it just makes sense to me. Like, I feel like it's where I belong, even when it's not going great, you know, but it just, for some reason it's where my mind is able to figure out things and you know it it is so tumultuous and it's so up and down all the time that it it makes it difficult but you know at the end of the day it's first world problems right you know i i don't i don't i remember working

every time i go to the grocery store or go like pick up food while I'm at the studio or something, I'm just like... Thankful. So thankful. Yeah, I do the same thing. When I'm having a bad day, I'll even look at Monica and I'll be like, what the fuck am I complaining about, dude? I've got everything I could ever want. It's crazy when you reach that certain level. Let's talk about touring.

So you weren't able to tour because of um quarantine and stuff like that but you had done a couple i know that's got to be so hard because that's like you're like we like your bread and butter but it's also as an artist you like to go i'm sure and meet the people who support you and fucking just the stage is just your your carnival you know yeah i think there's a lot of artists i there's some artists that like touring there's some that don't especially in the new age i don't know if it's necessarily something that a lot of new artists crave right my husband loves it like that's it's all i care about that's all i've ever cared about you know my whole thing was like if i could sell out thousand

cap rooms like i've made it that's when i feel like i made it like it's not itunes charts it's not like all that is just like a number digitally on a thing. I think that's why it doesn't connect. It's because it's just like, it's almost like getting a high score on a video game. Like it's, there's still a disconnect there. Like I don't see it. I'm just like, there's a number. Okay.

I guess this is what's happening. Right. But if, if you see the people there and you feel the energy and there's people that know your lyrics and all that, then then you see it. Then it connects. Right. So I my biggest year of touring was in 2019. Who did you go on tour with? I was on tour with Webby. I love him, dude. I can't say enough good things about him. Chris is just the sweetest. Chris is just the sweetest.

He's a, him and, and Jelly are the two people who I've looked at in this industry who have things that I want. Cause there's not a lot of people that do. Right. And that's not even in a, in a bad way. No,

there's just certain things that maybe, you know, it's just not things that I want, but Webby is one of those dudes where everybody in his team, when they're not around him, speak highly, highly of him. You know what I mean around him speak highly highly of him you know what i mean and i speak highly of him the things that he did just to help me when he didn't have to

is you know just insane and uh that's where i met jelly when we were in nashville when i was on tour with webby oh dope and jelly came through and brought all the fucking chicken yeah and like dude the hottest chicken on the planet for a whole like the whole tour crew and there's like one small bathroom in this venue and i'm like man it's gonna be a problem no most people i remember when he did that too he uh webby came on the podcast and he's just like you can just tell just from talking to that um dude that he just is like such a genuine soul we actually i think i got drugged at his show. I got the drunkest I've ever been in my life in New York at one of his shows, dude,

but it was the best time of my life. I was trying to walk in town square or not town square, time square, town squares in Vegas. Um, I was trying to walk in time square and I couldn't walk. Like I've never been that drunk in my fucking life, but it was lit. So I have nothing but fond memories of Chris. But so as far as touring, do you have a tour coming up this year? I was on tour with Webby and then I was on tour with Futuristic and then I was on tour with Dizzy Wright and Ritz.

So I had like three back-to-back tours. That's pretty fucking good. Was that your first tours or was that like... I've been on tours. I toured with like Mickey Avalon and Dirt N dirt i love mickey mickey came on my podcast too dude another guy him and sierra do you know sierra then uh mini no i didn't get to meet her dude they're great uh another situation where like they just you know took care of me and like showed me a lot of love and they didn't have to um so i was on tour with them for a little while and then,

yeah, but the Webby and like those three tours are like my, my real entrance into the touring world. Yeah. And that's not a shabby resume. No, it was like, I was blown away.

Just the fact that it could all happen. That speaks volumes though, for your work, because those people aren't just going to bring out just anybody, you know? Yeah. I, I,

I was blown away. But so then in 2020, me and Webber's, he was bringing me back out. We were going to do Canada that got canceled. Now that's in 2022. Dope. But I'm doing my first headlining shows in August and September. Yeah. Where?

Um, I think it's like 15 days. So it's like Chicago, Columbus, some dates in Texas, Salt Lake. Dude, let us know. Cause we're, we're on tour too. So if we're in the same cities at the same time, we'll show up to your show. That would be awesome. And then you can come to our show. I'm terrified, terrified of touring or coming to a show. Oh, of headlining. Why? I've never done it. Oh dude, you're going to fucking crush it. There's just a lot of pressure. You take that confidence that you show on, are you okay? We're good. You take that confidence that you show on tiktok and just apply that to the

stage and you're gonna the performance i have no problem with that it's just carrying the whole the whole weight of the tour yeah there's you know if the show doesn't perform well then that's on you well you kind of know what you're getting before because you get a ticket so yeah you get all that before so albums let's talk about albums yes do you have anything dropping soon you're doing all these like kind of like um the the things that you're doing on tiktok like the butterfly is that going to be like on an album or is that just stuff that you're just putting out as like freestyles oh no those are all like those will be available on album stuff i've been doing like the whole singles thing so i love the butterfly remix you did oh thank you that was

that was like what sold me i was like mimi we got to get him on the podcast oh that's so dope yeah that was something i was like wanting to do for a while bitches love songs like that by the way they do and i tell my husband that all the time yo i i had this conversation with my girlfriend i was like dude i don't have any songs i was dude, I don't have any songs. I was like, yo, I don't have any songs people could fuck to. Yeah. It was like,

yeah. Like, and that's not cool. I mean, we got it. We need stuff to bump to. That's what I'm saying. I'm like,

I want to have at least one song that can come on in a shuffle that won't be like, yeah, what the fuck? Like, I want to go cry in the corner and slip my wrist. Yeah. Or like, what is this nerd?

I don't want to hear about comic books. I'm trying to fuck right now. So I, I'd been sitting on that for a while and then we, we remade it to the original beat and I was like, what is this nerd? I don't want to hear about comic books. I'm trying to fuck right now. So I had been sitting on that for a while and then we, we remade it to the original beat and I was like, I want to remake the entire thing. So we just like remade it from scratch and then did a couple of different things with it. But I was like stoked.

Yeah. So do you have an album, an upcoming album? Are you working on one? Yeah, my Detour 3 album. So I've done, it's like the third installment in my Detour series. So the Detour 3, that'll drop. That's in my detour series uh so the detour three that'll drop it's in july i haven't announced the date yet but it is in july dope are you stoked about it yeah um um it's it's been the most mentally strained i've been putting something together

of like of the three yeah just there's like so many songs and making sure that it's right and not knowing. I mean, you've seen the process before. And just like, you know, I've heard all these songs a thousand times. Are they still good? Yeah. Do I want to put it on this fucking thing? My husband gets mad at me because like I'm Pandora. If his music comes up, I'll skip it.

And he's always like, why do you fucking do that? And I'm like, because legit, I've literally heard this song since you wrote it at our fucking dining room table i don't want to hear it again you know so i totally understand what you mean by that after you hear a song a million fucking times you're just like dude you have to have other ears hear it because you want the approval yeah exactly you want to hear it like what people think about it i'm the opposite because my my girl like will listen to my shit i'm like please turn it off i don't want to listen to my shit around people it gets it's awkward for me really you don't like to like show up you're not one of those guys that carries their mixtape mixtape in their back pocket

no like i'm not the guy that does like the release the listening party like i'll never do a listening party i don't want to watch you listen to that's like it's hard for me to watch reactors right because i'm maybe it's just like my insecurities or some shit yeah or it's like, it's hard for me to watch reactors. Right. Because I'm, maybe it's just like my insecurities or some shit. Yeah. Or it's like, I don't want to like, if you don't,

what if you don't like it? I'm going to, I'm stuck here watching you. Yeah. Not like it like actively. That's a fucking nightmare. That's why you make friends with the reactors. Always shout them out and always just be cool.

But then is it genuine? Um, like I don't want you to gas me up. Like, if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. But i also just don't want to watch you if you don't like it i don't want you to want to watch it but even if you do like it like it's still awkward for me i don't like being you know i don't like being oddly enough the center of attention i i understand that

you know so it's just it's a weird like i respect what they do and I and I do watch them. But for me, it's just it's hard. It's uncomfortable. Yeah. Have you worked with tech yet? Tech nine? No. Oh, we got to plug that in. I've been listening to tech.

I went to a tech nine show in Vegas when I was 12 or 13 at the Huntridge. Oh, my God, dude. The Hunter. They just they're going to reopen it. I know. I fucking can't wait. It's insane. And there was like.

It's like iconic. Yeah. There was like 25 people at that show, at this Tech N9ne show. That's crazy. And I knew the opener. And I was like 13 and they were like asking us to film their set for a music video. I don't know why the fuck they would ask us. It was like whatever.

But I remember going to that show and there was like 25 people. And then the next time there was like a hundred people. The next time there was like 300. And the next time he was selling a house of blues, just crazy. I've been like diehard strange and tech fans since I was a kid. So everything they do is to me is like incredible. It's genius.

Yeah. They, they definitely have a fucking, that's, that's the bucket list. That's a bucket list feature for me. It was like a tech nine feature. Oh,

it's coming. Just put it in the air it's coming for sure just put the blinders on just work let's put my head down and work and then look up every once in a while and see where the fuck i ended up at it's gonna happen so what what does 2021 hold for echo um what can people expect from you well this so the new album will come out in july the tour will be in august and september then i have a then i'm uh going out with somebody else on tour in october november are we allowed to know who it is i don't know when this is gonna come out if i can oh uh this will probably come

out in about a month three weeks four weeks i don't know okay but you can go check you'll probably know yeah october november and i'll be so the album comes out in july but i have so many songs i'm just gonna start releasing singles for the next album just crazy really shortly after that and just there's some really cool features uh what's one of your favorite people you've ever done a feature with i mean i'm really really lucky and the people that i've been able to do features with are people that i really actually enjoy their music well i wouldn't hit them up for a feature if i didn't enjoy their music so and just people had ritz you had ritz as a feature dude that that shit was awesome i fuck with ritz just as a human yeah he's dope the same with a little nugget yeah

i just love him he's just like a little gnome he's he's such a like he's such it's so he's such a just like a sweet guy yeah you know what i mean uh which is so talented yeah like dude opens his mouth and you're like what the fuck incredible crazy and i'm i'm i'm lucky and i don't think any of the like songs i've sent out i out, I've gotten phoned in verses back. But I mean, obviously the one with, I got to work with Webby. So that was like a dream come true and futuristic and Greaves, who I also been listening to forever. And just everybody I've had on songs is like amazing.

I got Mercury's on one coming out soon. I love him and his girl, Harissa. I just love them to death. Yeah, they're great. Yeah, they're awesome people.

Why don't you tell people where they can find you at? Oh, you can find me at any social media. It's always the same. It's just at Echo Music. It's E-K-O-H, Music Anywhere, YouTube,

TikTok, Twitter, Facebook. Definitely follow us, TikTok. Whatever it is. Love, Tik TOK, Twitter, definitely follow us. Tik TOK, whatever it is. Love it. Since all the other platforms are fucking dying.

Anyways, Facebook's making a comeback. You think? I know. I fucking hope not. I'm always in trouble on there too. They're there, dude.

They're, they're doing it right. You think so? Yeah. We'll have to look into that. I'll tell you, I'll tell you about like what I've been doing on there. That's been working.

Yeah. I'll definitely listen. I'm all for the free game i love that shit yeah i'm really excited to see where your career takes you dude like i'm totally stoked for you i think you're so talented and like i'm i'm very picky about the musicians i bring on my podcast and i really like i dig your shit so i'm honored and i i fuck with you guys so heavy and like what you guys do and what you guys represent both you and jelly and that's if you guys so heavy and like what you guys do and what you guys represent, both you and Jelly. And if you guys ever need anything from me, don't even hesitate to ask. I'm there. Dude, the love is mutual.

So I can't wait to have you come back on. You have to promise to come back on. Yeah. When you're like fucking mainstream blown up like the next fucking Eminem. I'm down for that. I want you on my podcast again too let's go all right dude thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of dumb

blonde we will see you guys next week bye