Dumb Blonde - Farrah Abraham: Trauma and Comedy

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

This week, Bunnie gets up close and personal with the iconic mother-daughter duo that refuses to be defined by rumors or the past. Farrah Abraham and Sophia sit down for an unfiltered chat about their lives navigating fame and family ties.Farrah spills the tea on all the tabloid tales, from Nicki Minaj beefs to poop sales. She also gives a sneak peek at her upcoming comedy tour, where she's taking her candid humor nationwide to break trauma bonds through laughter.Sophia reflects on her passion for music and how she learned to follow her own path while growing up under a microscope. Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comFarrah Abraham: IG | Website Sophia: IG See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers welcome to another episode of dumb blonde today i have a mother-daughter duo which is a first for me because i normally don't do mother-daughter duos but these two have grown up together in the public eye and i figured what better duo to bring on than sophia and farrah abam yes I know what a good duo that is true I feel like we've definitely grown up together I am her mom but yes I just want to say you look

beautiful thank you I feel like the tabloids attack you so much for like work that you get done and I mean you know they attack me too. So I know how it feels, but it's like seeing you in person. I'm like, you look fucking gorgeous. Like what, what are they talking about? Yeah. Thanks. You know, I can't help, but social media cameras look like that cracks me up because literally as we're flying in here, I'm like, Sophia, someone tagged me on this crazy, like artwork of my botched face that doesn't look like my botched face I'm like this is funny today this gives me some laughter um Sophia's just like laughs at it too but I'm like I'm really happy I don't do like much work I take things out of my

face I really am on a journey of like really getting back to myself and so it's kind of funny when I just do a live and our cameras are weird and people think I've gone crazy with plastic surgery but that's not the case well I figured it out because I went down a wormhole just like reading and it's because you use filters and so that's honestly I the same thing was happening to me people were like how much work have you had done and I'm like pro I've had Botox and fucking a little bit of filler in my lips done. Like, what are they talking about? And that stuff is gone. The filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do because you're sitting here and you look gorgeous. So I'm just like, I do have my Farrah filter that has like had billions of hits and I love it. And if I don't like to get ready that day,

I will totally use that. Yeah. What have you had done so that we can clarify that with everybody? Well, I, you know, okay. So I will just say I have had a nose job. I have had a chin implant. I, and then I just dabble here and there with fillers at times that go you know they stay they go but I also like was trying to do a lip implant and I was on botch the show because I almost died from that so and I took out my chin implant but for some reason you did take out the chin yeah i took out my chin implant and for some reason people always go back and compare pharaoh looks great like this with the face that had a chin implant a swollen nose from a surgery um just i was actually really depressed at that year of my life like that was the most um what's it called like when you're just the lowest your lowest point

my life like that was the most um what's it called like when you're just the lowest your lowest point yeah it's like a face dysmorphia like when you have body dysmorphia I had that at that time when I had that chin implant and so for people to say oh we love Farrah better than when I was definitely like anti myself um and peer pressured and just like, oh, I want to look good. That was just like way too much. So I love my face now. I love who I am. I love coming back to myself, maybe like just rejuvenation and skin tightening and really taking care and upkeep of myself is what I pride myself on. And that's like good self-love. There's nothing wrong with that yeah I think people get it twisted they're like when women get filter uh fillers and botox and stuff like that they're like oh she must be unhappy with herself and it's like no I like to invest in myself your body is an investment

it is an investment it's a temple you gotta dress it up or dress it down whatever you want to do but it's your body to do that with so well yeah enough about your looks I just wanted to hone in on that because I feel like the tablets justids just tear you apart for that. And that's not fair. No, you know, so I don't like that at all. But yeah, Sophia, we have you sitting here too. How are you doing, baby? I'm doing good. She just got her tongue pierced. So she said she doesn't want to talk a lot. The tongue piercing actually caused a ton of controversy. I know people hate a lot. I'm like every single piercing I get and it's just like chill like it's not that big of a deal you know but I do know some people are really strict about

that growing up and um but it's just me and I feel like getting piercings enhances my looks and I feel really confident about them and I make sure to get ones that I know I would actually look good in um so yeah I'm confident in my piercings and I love them and they are all feeling really good I love that yeah I love that I went through a piercing phase when I was young too I did it behind my parents back though because they wouldn't allow it how do you feel about everybody just questioning your parenting because you let your kid get a, what is it? A tongue piercing and snake bites? Yeah. Good, good point, bunny. Segway. Um, so we've had parents even come with us to the piercing place, like on her birthday.

come with us to the piercing place like on her birthday um and i do see the psychological like spiral that other parents go through when they're seeing sophia choose this consent to do this i have to sign off as a parent and give consent to it and i'm not there to freak out, go in a spiral, like shame, blame, reject my child. I'm here to make sure my child's seen, she is safe, and she is supported. So if those three things are always top of mind, then I know that what I'm doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in my parent journey are right where they need to be for my child. walking in my parent journey are right where they need to be for my child. So yeah, I could say a lot about other parents and what they feel about me and my daughter's friends' parents. But I also know once they calm themselves and maybe do a therapy session, they usually text me and really are like, wow, you opened my eyes to parenting in a different way so yeah I was never

the girl though I was never the kid growing up to be like could I get a piercing could I get a tattoo could I get this could I get that it was just no one ever had any of those things growing up and so I just never thought about it and when I'm like famous and people are just like I'll give you free this free this free this free tattoos like I could tattoo up my whole body I could do all that I just myself personally I'm not prepared for that but I see like Sophia is prepared she's at that point in her mental state in her life and she can do that and I'm not the person to I don't know I've just gone through this whole thing with a lot of legal battles that I am going through and I learned so much about consent

culture and leading with that and allowing someone to have their will their rights their freedoms and I think that's just very important on maybe the littlest things like a piercing or tattoos and so I'm just again those three things scenes Dave supported that's all I need to be for my child I never thought that I would agree with you more I totally feel the same way because I feel like in this generation of parenting and children because we have a 16 year old she's about about to be 16. Um, there's so much more shit. You got to choose your battles. There's so much more shit, worse shit that these kids could get into. Excuse my language. Yeah. That these kids could be getting into. And it's like, if they want to get a piercing, they're going to, it's either it's a phase or it's not. I kept mine

for 20 years. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, if Bailey wants to come to me and get a piercing, that's gonna make me happy because she could be like doing other things that are way worse behind my our you know her parents back and I just totally agree with that I think making kids feel seen and heard and letting them be who they want to be and having free will is an amazing route to go how do you feel about that do you love that your mom lets you get piercings and stuff like that yeah I'm very grateful that she supports all my decisions and my piercings we love your look we were just talking about it I was like if I could look like Sophia I would because that's really how I look on the inside I love Sophia's look too

and I'm happy with whatever look she decides and what she loves um yeah I just feel like I was just raised in a different way like I was called a witch for wanting a rhinoplasty I like by your mom yeah by my mom so I know that that doesn't give anyone self-worth like feeling worthy and that is number one when you're getting you know if you have fame or if you have anything your self-worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. Like I was very much predatored on and still dealing with some of those problems. So I'm just trying to set up a next generation to have that safe space. Yeah. That safe place be seen, know who they are and not seek that

in other people. Not seek that in other people not seek validation and other people speaking of moms would you consider your mom your best friend i mean yeah she is my mom and i am your mom my best friend yeah thank you so much i love you you're so you're so cute i so cold, but I want to give you a hug. I love you, honey. I love you. You guys have pretty much grown up together. The world has watched both of you guys grow up. Literally, you as a baby, you have grown up in front of the world. I think that's why everybody is so obsessed with you now. You're kind of like the new it girl on TikTok right now because everybody's like, what's Sophia doing?

Sophia does not like to show much that she does. So yeah, that could be the emo in her. But yeah, not emo. I'm got a goth. That could be the goth in her. Describe to us. Explain to us what the difference between emo and goth is just in case people at home don't know. So I do know that there is many types of goths out there, like traditional goth and just, I would say, regular goth. But emo is like regular dark clothes, I feel like, and accessories. I mean, today I'm kind of emo because I didn't want to go all out. today i'm kind of emo because i didn't want to go all out um but goth i feel like is like black dresses corsets and lots of jewelry sometimes belts um i follow a lot of goth people on tiktok and they are so cool i admire them and i want to be like traditional goth i feel like one day um but yeah today i'm kind of emo i would say

i love goth i love emo i love it all i always thought it was music selection i always thought maybe haven't we talked about this before isn't like emo and goth like music selection isn't it music and interest of like the culture because like a emo culture is significantly different than a gothic culture like what your interests are and per se of those things and their music is completely 50 50 different right yes that's awesome Farrah do you feel like you are having an opportunity to be the mom that you never had with Sophia yeah I mean I don't know if it's the opportunity to be the mom that I never have but I have one opportunity to be the best parent that I can be in my life I have no competition with my mom my grandma my sister

I have no competition with anyone to be the best mom I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be and I was giving given like eye-opening experiences in my lifetime to say, I'm not repeating that with my child. So public school, it wasn't going to be repeated. I had a superintendent as a neighbor. No matter how much we push and push and push to have a better, safer public school environment, it just never happened for me. Like fights, bad situations. And I guess when a public or governmental system fails,

I take it upon myself to just lead. So I found like best homeschooling practices and whatever else like for Sophia's career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out the no one's laid out that path. So I've definitely, I'm just like, I'm on this journey and figuring out as fast and as best as I can. I don't think anybody knows how to be a parent. I inherited a child and we're still figuring it out. You know, we got full custody of Bailey seven years ago and nobody gives you a handbook and says, Hey, this is how you have to be a parent. And there's also no one size fits all to being a parent. That's right. Every child is different. Yes.

Every emotion, every personality, it's just all different. Yes. And so I think as long as Sophia is happy and healthy and feels like she's safe, you're already winning. Yeah. And do you feel these things, Sophia? Yes. She's shaking her head over here. Yeah.

I mean, everyone is different. I mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned and I got my brain scanned. From Doc Amen, right? Dr. Amen. How was that? Because I was going to do that with him too, but I chickened out. Yeah, it is life changing. I feel like that is literally what, I mean, to know yourself better than anyone else could tell you who you are. I think that's probably like the biggest gift in our journey of life is to know yourself, see yourself fully, not guess from a therapist and be like, oh, I have this, I'm dealing with this, and well, let's try to like guess. But I also think for children who just aren't diagnosed properly with different ADA compliances,

I just was kind of tired of not having the help or the support. And that's why we kept switching schools. But myself, I found out that I was like, ADA compliant ADHD. I like when I was 29. And to go through my whole life of people just wrongfully firing me telling me I'm difficult like girls not liking me my family like kind of disowning me I just was like I I can't be mad at them I can't dislike them I can't like have hate towards them but I also know like I just need people who are educated around me I need to thrive I'm done with all that traumatic crisis behavior. And just I really want to have education in my journey now as parenting. So do you feel like getting that

diagnosis helped kind of clear things up for you? I'm like, Oh, this is why I've acted the way that I've acted. And this is why people have perceived me of how I've been acting. And I also think like dating, when you know, like what your brain type is and what you like. I think only certain dating shows show like, oh, this is a pet peeve and this is what I don't like. But if we really like started employing like brain matching and like those psychological factors, we would find our soulmates faster. We would understand what we need, like what's going to be a good match for us. So describe to me what a brain match is.

Yeah. So Dr. Amen has something free online and it's like a brain survey and you find your brain type. So I have brain type two, Sophia's 10, right? Pardon me. Yeah. Sophia's brain type 10. And it can you describe what they are to me like what is a 2 and what is a 10 okay so part of me with my ADHD and attentive disorder is like I will like short-term memory loss like I can't recite it back I'd have to look it up um so just being frank but so mine's like I don't even know I forgot like the foods, types of friends, types of jobs. Okay, so it breaks it down like that for you. Yeah, they break it down.

They kind of make it individualistic. And yeah, so when I went on this like 12-step dating journey and learning how to date again, and we were talking so much. So she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just was not happening there and I was like talking to these people in depth like about intentional dating like trying to figure out like their brain types and sure enough the boyfriend I have right now he has the same brain type as me he took the survey and he's gonna get his brain scanned that's like us

with the autism test we make everybody that wants to come in our circle and hang out take the autism test because I am high on the autism thing. So is Haley and so is Mimi. We all have no idea. What's that? I'm going to give it to you. Oh, yeah. What is it?

Rads? Yeah. I would love to take this autism test. No, please. You guys have to take it tonight. And I want to know you guys' scores. OK. So does this mean everyone has autism I mean I think a lot of us have a splash of it for sure for some reason that didn't show up on my brain scan I just want to let you know I don't

know if I can be in your friend group yeah does autism show up on brain scans I wonder if it does or if it doesn't I'm not positive about that from what I know he does describe how he diagnoses people with certain levels of autism and many different kind of brains okay I didn't know that I'm trying to think back well anyways there's graphs I also did direct neurofeedback for my brain too after having a brain scan and they talked about all different kinds of things to correct it, help those. So I did like 200 sessions of that. That's amazing.

I love that you're always working on yourself. Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now I'm kind of done with it, but it was needed. Take me on this journey that you did a 12-step therapy, trauma therapy program. Yeah, I did. And I think it was uh it's gonna be two years in March um I did a trauma 12-step program I think that's what it was like a recovery program and literally changed my life so I had the reason why I finally went I feel like a lot of us don't

understand like if you could search up like spiritual melody chart, I didn't know what that was at all until I stepped foot in here. But I saw it in life. All of us see it in life. Like when we're looking at someone going through a hard time, maybe depression, maybe anxiety, all of these things, their spiritual melody is being like all these things their spiritual melody is being like upset and when someone reaches such a certain level they're at risk of harming themselves death whatever attracting a lot of negative things so at the time when I was going to the trauma center I was kind of stuck in a repetitive pattern that was attracting a lot of criminal activity to me and now it's so funny because after the center I just attract the best people to me right so I

think that's something to keep in mind if you are feeling like whoa I keep dating lots of bad people I keep like being attacked on the street I keep having a lot of fights and arguments. It's because you need a reset. You need to recover. And a lot of people just don't think they deserve trauma help. So when you went to that, what was this exact program? Was it like to actually treat like childhood trauma or was it like. Oh, so I was sexually sexually assaulted okay um recently it wasn't like in childhood and I think a lot of the people who I met they had significant amount of like sexual assaults trauma those type of things very deep like veterans were there um all sorts of things that they had held on for a very long time I think with one trauma like a sexual assault trauma I don't think I could endure or live if I didn't go get help

so I was like I need something um can you can you talk about the sexual assault what happened is this the situation that happened with the mayor yeah i mean we're like really dealing with all that stuff like right now yeah so i i don't like me to like hold anything back because i'm sure would help so many people um but i also know like we are dealing with someone who is systemic like habitually a rapist so I probably don't want to give any fuel to that but if we want to just talk about like great things for other you know like honestly I said to myself this week because I'm dealing with so many legal issues I said to myself I was like I think I'm gonna have to break down and just go get a support group because I'm like, it's got to be tough to hold all that in and not talk about it. Yeah. Because again, like

rapey vibes, right? Rape culture vibes, opposite of consent, consensual vibes is lying continually like masking. And when you're going through a legal issue and someone's always lying and speaking for you and covering their ass and it's just like oh you know I can journal about it but I also like I truly like to watch movies that dive into like someone making peace getting past it and like moving on so it's like I've made peace with it I'm trying to move past it but then you have these legal core problems that just go on for years like my um lawyer said at the beginning and I just feel you know like my heart goes out to so many other rape victims who are like going through this stuff for years it just is really tedious. Yeah, it's very hard. I do think talking about it,

like you said, is probably the best thing one for you therapy and to to help your that's your testimony, you know, something that you've survived and that you've gone through. So maybe people are able to connect with you if they, you know, were to were to know more details of what had happened or what is going on. Yeah. I mean, I think it's just, this is sad, but from reading so many legal documents about assaults, because again, I didn't understand the situation that I became a part of, which was like a sexual assault problem. And so my lawyers just kept sending me a lot of like legal documents to read of like Jane Doe's so I like would understand what it looks like why this happens like all

these things and then I got so interested in it and so passionate that I was like oh I'm gonna go get a legal degree um I went down that got my paralegal certificate and I'm getting ready to do a JD in law but I think the comment like this is so weird that this happened at this time in my life but I saw like innocent people not being believed and then I saw a lot of people who actually lied this could be men or women, lie about being sexually assaulted. And I think learning from lawyers what we're looking at, how we're seeing that, how this comes up, you really know to fight for your truth, to stand firm. Because others who lie and kind of like predator men or women who they claim that they were assaulted by

um that's like a whole other psychological thing so I think there's like a lot of trauma work no matter what even if you're lying about it if you're telling the truth I've been going through all this stuff and breaking that down because I started writing a screenplay about it and I used it in one of my Harvard classes for screenwriting and I got to see it like acted out with actors and read and I think like maybe just for me I would feel safer showing that in like an artistic form like a series and I love watching movies and TV series that really help comfort people who are actually really going through a long, long legal battle with sexual assault. Because I think like Sophia showed me some funny episode on Shameless about one of the guys like pretending

that he got sexually assaulted and going in and going through this whole process. And I think sometimes you need you need someone like my daughter to let you laugh and make light of a really deep, dark situation that I was put on medication for. The medication wasn't helping. Were you raped? Yeah. OK. Sexually assaulted. Or I don't know what that means to you. So sorry. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm like, I don't know if you know what you're good there's so many different um okay you know falls under that umbrella a sexual assault could be being groped could be oh this was when you don't want to be or like this like you that's why i asked if you were raped so this was like some oh sorry i didn't like know that you didn't know that before yeah so

there you go it's like oh you know sometimes you can limit yourself because you don't want to get too close to the problem at hand right right vulnerability uh so yeah i um was drugged and woke up like thinking like did someone set me up like are we both in this together who would do this and then I realized it was him who did that and I was stark naked did not know where any of my clothes were um my necklace was broken all that stuff and it was just like flight like I just like ran I just really didn't know how to behave yeah Yeah. So doing the best you can. And I think for a lot of other sexual assault victims, you do the best you can when you are the crime scene. Straight up.

It's just like a lot of people are like, I'm watching Crime Stoppers and Dateline and all these other criminal shows. But I think I was raised with that, too. I love watching criminal shows too but like when you're in it it's way different it was literally like sometimes I used to say like you know different red carpets are doing these things oh it's so surreal being sexually assaulted and being like the crime scene was surreal that was like it just felt like my brain and my body was not connected and so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work somatic experiencing work on that that's heavy I've never heard anybody refer to themselves as the crime scene that's pretty heavy that's deep yeah yeah that's real moving

on from that I've heard you say a bunch of things in there. So let me see if I can catch up. You said you did a screenplay in your Harvard class. So are you attending Harvard or? So I actually got in an argument with Harvard about my neurodivergence. Okay. So even though I'm ADA compliant and turn that in. Yeah. So that lady kicked me out or not the lady with screenwriting. She gave me E for exemplary. She like raved raved she was like this is what you need to do and I think sometimes when you are going through trauma the power of the pen and writing it and kind of sharing it in like a theatrical way is it's like that has always been there for me so like even when I was pregnant with Sophia I lost her father that was super traumatic for me I was in acting class at that time and my acting

teacher was like you need to continue this or just continue going to classes he's just like you need to use this as a power so if anything I would say that for people who are going through really traumatic experiences so you were going to Harvard and then somebody kicked you out yeah and one of my other classes um neurodivergence was an issue for her. So even though that's against the law in education, educational places. So I have found better colleges. Gotcha. Yeah. When you just touched base on her father passing, can we talk about that? Because you were so young when that happened and that had to have crushed you. It did. And you know what? when that happened. And that had to have crushed you.

It did. And you know what? Speaking of the trauma center, I know I went to the trauma center for a recent situation that was traumatic. But I did not know that I should have gone to a trauma center at 16 when I lost her father. Because, yes, that's the first time I was put on medication. I was suicidal again not knowing my 88 compliant disability and knowing how to deal with loss it was just scary um and so yeah when I was at the trauma center I met other women who were there because they lost their

boyfriends in traumatic situations um and like other kind of like people who are just lost a lot of people so I was like why did I why did I not come to the trauma center when I was 16 and pregnant and have all these cool tools now that I have in my mind in my brain at home it really probably would have helped me bounce back quicker maybe from a sexual assault or bounce back quicker from other traumas that I continually have. So I'm just, again, thankful for that. Circling back to the traumatic experience of losing her father, do you feel like your mom was not there for you emotionally whenever? Because it plays out on the show.

You and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's like very on again off again and I I feel as a viewer that your mom almost wasn't emotionally there for you and do you feel like that has been like a huge thing in you and your mom's relationship even to this day yes um you see like on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things I would say in all because I had to like really you know like 12 step inventory trauma center you actually write down it's called the fifth step you write down anyone you have relationships with so I'm writing down my mom I'm writing down my dad anything and what came up just so you know in those like 12 steps and like going through relationships and why maybe people saw like maybe I didn't feel like my mom was supportive it's actually way more than just not having support

it's like was I seen right she never saw how much I love someone she like she came up after hearing that he had passed away that she was happy that he was gone and i think we might have we might have our own feelings like i would with sophia and her boyfriends in those situations but i do i do know that like i have reasoning and capability of understanding like someone's someone has feelings here and I need to put my stuff to the side. That was crazy. But a lot of what came up at the 12 Step Trauma Center when you're writing down your relationships is abandonment, abandonment, abandonment.

And most people will say, well, I didn't abandon you like you were living at my house. I was giving you shelter. I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen, not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment and not being supported. Like we say, just support. But it's really like a lot of those three things that I said I wanted to do for my daughter that I realized I did not have in my home with my dad

with my mom maybe with my whole family at large when I look back at it so there was no surprise and once I got out of the trauma center like I stopped talking to my dad I stopped talking to my mom I haven't talked to them in almost I think my my mom, she was like at 30, so I'm 32. So everyone has been kind of around two years I've stopped talking to my family. Like I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life. And it's good that I got to, again, write down inventory and see why and what. So there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say, do I want to write letters to them.

And half the letters I wrote when I was there, no one responded or no one wanted to talk about those things when I got out. So I'm just taught to be like, okay, that's where someone is. They can't meet me and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing.'t meet me and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing. It's been really, uh, relieving relief. Does your relationship with your mom affect Sophia's too? Sophia, do you choose to talk? Do we call her grandma? Do you choose to talk to grandma or just be, or because mom and her don't have a relationship you choose not to also um honestly i'm really

comfortable not talking to her at all and with my grandpa too um it hasn't really bothered me at all not talking to them over the years gotcha i'd have to say like anything that i do does not need to affect someone else. Right. A lot of the grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like Farrah's like me. I'm the horrible person because I'm making someone else not talk to them. To be completely transparent, I saw that my daughter was being affected by their bad behavior every time that they were around. You know, to not feel loved, to not be heard again like as a kid, or just be like, just back and forth, stuck between all these,

I can't say the word immature, it's just a lack of education of how to have communication that's really just um such a mess that I was raised in that I knew I did not want that for my daughter and I was trying to be like a good daughter and like I flew I flew my daughter out to Arizona to meet her other grandparents I've flown her back and forth for 16 years or whatever to, like, see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and you take time for yourself that is so needed and everything's quiet, and you see, wow, I am such a damn good parent because I'm the only one who's paying, flying, doing. No one else is.'s right it's been over a decade like let's stop this charade but more importantly you're there for your daughter

like I don't see you without Sophia yeah yeah like I am number one I think and you're making her feel you're making her feel every way that your parents never did and to me that's the sign a sign of a good parent is breaking generational trauma and generational curses. Yeah. And I think you're doing the best that you can. All the way. And so it can be seen transparently of who, what, everything, genetics, what's going on, why someone might be doing this, why someone might not, and to choose better choices. So Sophia was kind of the one to say like I don't

want to hang out or I need a break from certain grandparents so the charade of the grandparents continually always acting like I hinder anything I've I've seen with clear eyes what it is now so and you just choose to remove yourself from a toxic situation which that's not a bad that doesn't make you a bad person especially if you said that you wrote them letters and you were trying to communicate how you were feeling and they completely told you like look I don't want to deal with this right now so that's not fair to you because it's like when is the time to deal with it and that's fine if they're never there so I'm just I'm just like okay I'm gonna go live my life and this is

what I've been waiting for and healing and I think like that's been so good for me to get out of trauma bonds like let's have bonds of like I don't even know happiness yeah um so I'm just excited to build good healthy happy bonds and leave all those trauma bonds behind. And if other people would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any capacity. Yeah, absolutely. And so, yeah, from that, I was like, OK, I'm going to keep 12 stepping in like dating and like career and life. And it's really been beautiful. When you say 12 stepping, does that mean sobriety? Some people think it's about sobriety. I actually, I just have to say it like this.

12-stepping is about like the 12-step principles. So you don't have to, it's not about like drinking. It's like, I think there's humility, brotherly love. There's 12 principles of life that I think are just amazing and help me be my best self and connect and see myself and others um like serving um so those are the 12 step things I do in life gotcha I've never heard of it so that's why I hear you know like most people when they hear 12 steps are like oh okay she's in the program or like you know doing the 12 steps for like alcoholism or I don't know if they have 12

steps for drugs I'm not positive oh yeah they do yeah there's 12 steps for like alcoholism or I don't know if they have 12 steps for drugs. I'm not positive. Yeah, they do. Yeah. There's 12 steps for everything. I honestly say like 12 steps for anxiety. I feel like I've looked at every group. Um, courts definitely had me do like 50 hours of AA, um, and over that. But when I came to the trauma center, I was so disgusted to be honest with you. I was so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol had done because it was just alcohol involved with my sexual assaults or rape and so everybody else maybe around me was like I can't wait to drink I can't wait to do drugs and I was like whoa I could stay here all day long and I don't even care about that stuff but I am super excited to learn about these principles and like see if it works and like if I turn on church does it

connect and like everything just really showed me like this is what I have been yearning for my whole life and so that's why I just say I'm 12 step in dating. I'm 12 step in my career. Like it's just principles that work. I do feel or do you feel actually not? It doesn't matter how I feel. Do you feel that alcohol has played a part in some of your legal issues as well? Because didn't you get it like a DUI? And then also you had like a little thing with us. Was a security guard outside of a nightclub when you were drunk and like they cuffed you and put

you on the ground and stuff like that. Do you feel like alcohol has played a part in some of your legal troubles? So alcohol definitely is a depressant and attracts negatives to you. Yeah. I'm literally. That's why they call it a spirit because it lowers your spirits. Oh, yeah. It lowers your spirit. And I wouldn't recommend anyone who's been assaulted or attacked or hasn't been educated on trauma work should not be drinking. It really makes your life worse. And so, yeah, I'm dealing with that legal problem even today. Yeah. I want that secured.

Really? Still going on? Yeah. I want that secured. Really? Still going on? Because she's, yeah, two years later, she won't stop harassing me. So, yeah, so now she's trying to do this. Farrah, you're lightweight funny as fuck, dude. Like, really. If people really paid attention,

they would see that you are funny. Like, Sophia's hearing me, like, on court, like, lawyer calls before this because of her. She didn't know how to serve me. So she claims that she's going to get lots of money from me right now okay i thought it was a man that you that they saying that you slapped him or something or no this is a woman who's a liar but she is just like that's why i have to postpone even like me doing like a comedy portfolio that i've been working on like could you imagine me going to work and then being served in front of everyone I'd so it's like I have to

now reorganize my life around people who target me and won't stop harassing me because I just won't put up with it anymore what happened like you you're out drinking with friends and then I went to a dinner uh-huh so i was definitely more about the food there was alcohol we love food yeah and i was asked with my two other colleagues to go upstairs and see their new little rooftop thing i didn't have a drink up there i went to the bathroom it felt like i was set up one of their customers was in front of my purse in my bag in between my friends not with her group and i was like could you please like move that that's my stuff these are my friends she wanted to keep going at me

hitting me hitting my friend who was trying to block me she hit you and then her friends are pointing to remove me i'm being then manhandled by huge security guys this woman puts herself in between this mix coming at me and I say leave me alone let you see me yelling and this is like a girl a different girl than I am today at that time who has been sexually assaulted can't handle too much she's just been physically been through a lifetime of trauma you've had trauma started when you were younger and uh so she doesn't want to listen and so I do this with my arm and you see the full movement on the camera and she wants to try to touch my hand and so literally my hand is like touching this woman's like mask not her face uh so her glasses are on her mask is on she keeps

wanting to manhandle me with all the men. She then goes into an elevator with me. I'm like, leave me alone. I walk off property waiting for my other friend who wants to call the police, wants to do all this stuff. And sure enough, then her and the other guy just finagle up to come after me off property. Then he cuffs himself to me me is like touching me all over she's over there yelling that I hit her in her face and whatever I'm yelling back and so yeah basically I'm winning a personal injury case on top of this the criminal case

got thrown out because I did nothing the personal injury case I'm recovering all of my trauma costs and and me moving and everything else like I had death threats because this woman would not shut her mouth with all of her lies like people literally thought I would hit and target security people and that's just completely not the case so dealing with all of this it's just like stressful I've had a lot of people just continually try to sue me sue me come after me come after me come after me and I just don't want that in this next chapter of whether it's my comedy career me showing up to places and I also have to realize like I have to do I don't even like security guards to be honest so me getting security is also like a trust fall

like no that's how I am my husband makes me travel with security everywhere and I'm like why I feel like I have a babysitter I'm like I hate it yeah it drives me crazy I don't know I've never I've had a lot of issues with security guards this is not the first one I think you need to have somebody in your life that's there to protect you though, because you are, you know, the fan base that you guys have from teen mom is wild. Like I've had Janelle and Kayle on the podcast and it is like, those people are really invested in you guys' lives. You have, you guys have a lot of great fans, but it is like a cult fan base, you know? And we love it it I love it yeah yeah yeah and but the thing is is and in that sea of people who love you guys there's a few

people who have it out for you and these are the people that you're like running into so I think having somebody to protect you from that isn't a bad idea yeah I will say one less lawsuit to worry about one less lawsuit they keep coming yeah I less lawsuit. They keep coming. Yeah. I actually embrace them. How many do you have right now? I just surf on lawsuits at this point. How many lawsuits do you have right now? I'm like trying to close up like three. Oh, God. So who knows?

Like who knows? But I think like we're just reinventing the wheel of like, okay, if we're going to do not a tour, if we're going to just like present it and package it then we can you know control like who's on sets and how we do those things so like I can still keep moving forward in my life yeah um so yeah I'm just kind of tired of sitting still but it's been good take me on this journey of you doing comedy I feel like a Farrah Abraham roast is overdue yeah I would attend I think it would be hilarious we'll give you the mic um so I don't want to be mean though I just want to watch it's good to roast people you know it's good to see if I've overcome I love that you can laugh I love that

you can laugh at yourself though and you don't take yourself so serious I think that's a great quality to have it's definitely been a challenge. She's like, I've been working on it. I've been working on it so hard. I can't wait. But yeah, I just want to do some things with comedy and maybe just talk about like behavior in a funny way. And I think learning behavior and learning myself, I think it's like been a good soul journey.

And I want to share that in comedy what spawned this whole entire journey with comedy um have you just always been a comedy fan I don't even know I mean who doesn't love some Ace Ventura pet detective but right but I actually got my SAG credits from a Comedy Central special that they did for me. And after I got wrongfully fired from Teen Mom, I started getting SAG checks in the mail. And then I started seeing where it was from. And I was like, oh, my God. It's from Dave Battelle inviting me for my comedy special.

And I was like, well, I really did like that. And it was so fun. And I like the people and I think in this next endeavor of my life I'm kind of more intentional about who I'm working around yeah um how they're making me feel and that comes with age too you're what 32 now yeah yeah I'm 44 so it takes like as you get older you get to a point where you're just like I I don't care what the look is or how many people are going to see it. I care about being around people who are going to build me up. Yeah. Make me feel good about myself, people I can learn from.

Yeah. You know, so I think that's awesome that you're realizing that now. Yeah. So it's just wonderful. And I just hope to have great work environments and enjoy myself. When can we expect this comedy tour? Oh, my God. Or the specials.

I can say specials. I don't know about tour. But I would hope by the end of this year. Some other shows are coming out. And we'll see what happens. But yeah, I'm just kind of risk assessing my career and just making sure. But I don't't you're reinventing yourself yeah I feel like you do that all the time you have done is there anything you haven't done

you've made albums I haven't done like my law degree yet like yeah there is court will be like judge Judy oh my god that would be awesome I love her I would love to do a court show please oh let's put it in the air manifest it that would be awesome. I love her. I would love to do a court show, please. Oh, let's put it in the air. Manifest it. That would be awesome because you literally, one thing I do admire about you, you have fucking hustle. You're not lazy. Yeah. ADHD doesn't sit. Is that what I have? Is that why I can't sit still? I'm literally always onto the next goal. Um, yeah, no, you literally are always doing something, always selling something. I mean, you are like, who doesn't like sales? I love sales. I do love sales. I think if you're like good at serving people and like matching people and doing things, oh my God, sales is like a dream.

Yeah, absolutely. Let's bring it over to Sophia for a little bit here. What do you want to be when you grow up? Have you ever thought about that um yeah i've been getting into music so i think when i grow up i want to be a music artist maybe and a entrepreneur and a influencer i love that does your mom influence that a lot do you really look at definitely she did um really support me doing my music when I was younger. I have two music videos from like a super long time ago, which is like kind of cringe. Before Goth. I mean, we all, we all have those stuff that we look back on and we're like, what the hell was I thinking?

Yeah, I wrote those songs myself. That's amazing. You and Bailey would really get along. She writes her own music and stuff like that. We'll have to introduce the girlies for sure. Yeah, for sure. What's your favorite thing about your mom? What do you admire the most about her?

Her beauty and her supportiveness. Oh, you think I'm beautiful? Aw, that is sweet. You are. Aw, thank you. She doubts that kind of often, but she's beautiful. Look, that's good that I know where I need to work on. Aw, I love that. Aw, I love that. Yeah, I love that.

Thank you, Sophia. I appreciate you. What's your favorite thing about Sophia? Oh, my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's beauty, like no joke. I always am like you have like your dad's nose, the eyebrows, the chin. Like I just, I love it. And I'm so happy you have all all that going for you you're gorgeous

and what else do I mean I pretty much love everything about my daughter like I love I loved you like parenting you as a kid I love parenting you as a teen I love your silliness I mean there's so much I just love it all there's I, I don't know why. It's making me smile because she's smiling so cute. I don't know if I like my teenager today, but like I really, I practice my gratefuls and I think I just have always loved my daughter totally. Yeah. Holy, you love her for who she is? Yeah.

Do you guys feel like you're soulmates? Because you know, soulmates don't have to be lovers. Soulmates can be friends, children, parents. Like, that's, you know. I do always wonder. I don't know if other parents wonder this or whatever, but I do feel like I was given my child, like, Sophia. Like, I was given Sophia.

I don't know what it is like even when like her dad wasn't there I had her in the um uh birthing room and like I'm just looking at her I just like there was this eye connection and like I knew that even though nothing was perfect however I wanted to plan it growing up that I was meant to be there at this time with her and I will never forget that from the hospital room so I like life can just totally fall apart around you like it has with me but yeah I don't know if that's soulmate if that's exactly what you meant yeah but I do know like I was supposed to be with Sophia and like she is my child like I do know that it's just crazy you guys are gonna make me cry I think that is so sweet yeah and Farrah I want to give you your flowers because I watched a lot of interviews the other

night just trying to get a feel for you and stuff like that and I feel like a lot of people have you on their shows to attack you and they don't give you a chance to actually like kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that, for how people treat you like that. But also people don't realize that you were at such a young age, having a child on television, losing the father of your child and having to go through this with the world watching you with parents who didn't support and did not give you the proper guidance. And you are literally just figuring this shit out on your own. Yeah.

And that's heavy. And I just want you to say, I see you and I see what you're doing. And I think you're doing wonderful. I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate you you to say, I see you and I see what you're doing. And I think you're doing wonderful. I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate you being an amazing host. Oh, thank you. Yeah, allowing it to be whatever it will be.

Oh, no, I appreciate that. Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love. You got a new boyfriend. Well, he's been around since what, 2021? No. No?

I read that wrong then. No. OK, is that a different one? Yeah, when did this one come about I have to say I date differently now so I did this guardian of your soul dating naked um thing I graduated from that when I turned 32 so last what okay what is that is that part of the 12 step yeah so um lisa shield who does this she has her own amazing podcast but she does this with her husband you are there for 12 weeks um you have your own coach you do your own like manifestation journal she has 12 modules you're reading books you're hearing podcasts you're hearing psychologists like you're in a vortex of training yourself to be like a weapon

of dating basically and so I did it I committed and I was like you know going on these dates felt like this is wasting my time and I got this weird like dating show offer during that and I declined because I've done so many dating shows and I just don't like I was at this point of like I'm tired of repeating tired of repeating like clearly something's disconnected and it was more personal work and really diving in on that and so Lisa did a 12-step program too so when I shared about my 12-step program she's like yeah so this is why we have 12 weeks 12 modules and we are focused on getting this alignment before your dating life so I love it I graduated and I was just like look I don't have anyone who I'll call my fiancee or anything like that but um I'll keep doing this

and like I'm kind of like a late bloomer even though I like zoom through things and so like the leaders are like we'll keep checking in with us keep coming to the groups like whatever and sure enough like I don't know I went on almost like 100 dates and 100 dates like almost 100 dates goodness it was like speed dating and then one one gentleman uh wasn't even like on i realized he was on one of my dating apps after the fact but i feel like the cream of the crop is never on the dating apps or i'm just not paying attention to it you know um we're not attracting it even though yeah even though like we redo our online profiles and all this cool stuff right so uh he actually got my attention on my only fans page so um and then was like zooming with me and then I'm telling him about this dating

program like I'm just intentionally dating like if you want to joke around and be like I want to date Farrah Abraham like whatever but I was just like so on my game from this program about dating. So he ended up flying in to Austin to come see me. And we have just kind of been just, I don't know. He ended up getting a second house, a second car, a second everything, and lives in Austin right now. Like, I don't know. It just is like magical. I love it.

So when did he come in the picture? So we started talking in October. So like from June, July, August, September. OK, so since last year. Yeah, so five months after this program, I really have like superly connected with someone. Aw, I love that. And he just loves every bit of you. Oh, yeah.

Are you ever going to say who he is or make him public? Um, you know, we both kind of are like NDAs on both sides. So like I can share fun bits and stuff, but we don't really like share who who are me. Like I am like, I will not be meeting your family. Like, I'm dating you. And I think I've also learned to date differently from not having my family around and truly being my most best self um so yeah like he I just love like he is all about self-improvement with me um we're doing fun things together all the time and I really just want to make sure like that's right like that's really important so if you guys do end up getting more serious will you eventually meet his family um I don't really need to really like I'm really like do

you think part of you is scared because like every you I I feel like you're one of those people who kind of like waits for the ball to drop like if something's going too good you're like okay what's gonna fuck this up well I'm trying to not have those brain patterns in my brain. But thank you. So I just want the ball to keep rising and elevating. Hot air balloon. Let's keep going up. And I do think from learning so much about him, like he's learned so much about my family,

where I've come from. I think sometimes when you're building like a interdependent relationship where you're both coming together and rising up together, there is no need for the background noise. Like I'm not trying to attend a circus. He doesn't need to come to my circus. We just need to focus on going forth, building our own lives, building our own family own family um like flourishing careers the whole thing right now and so that's why I'm kind of like his his parents and everyone are very like why won't you tell me your name oh like they're always very like nosy but I think I don't need anyone like googling me searching me when they know who I am who I'm dating right and that's what I mean like

does that scare you that his family could google you and then just get the wrong opinion of you and then you feel like you're gonna have to be trying to change these people's opinion about you yeah I just don't operate like that anymore so like when my mom or my dad got married and I was there for their weddings and stuff and then they were their fiancés or everyone else was always like googling me and seeing what I was up to I actually stopped like posting for a while I was like you know it's just not worth it I don't care what I'm up to or what I've been up to like if you can't be present with me and family I don't need it so I think that's all I think that's why this relationship is flourishing so much is that I don't talk about it much with other people um from what I've been trained to do we're very present we're flourishing

and like we go on trips we have fun we're I I just want that for my life I deserve an amazing relationship and I saw like even bits of it when I was like saying I was in a relationship people really wanted to ruin and find and source and break break me down so like I don't have a relationship but that's actually what I've been working so hard for for like two to three years is getting in this place so and like with no one else's help just me and so I like really need this have you met him yet Sophia yes I have do you approve he's okay yeah I mean like it's not like a year in or right totally serious but um Sophia and I met both of our boyfriends that we have now at the winter trip Sophia you, you have a boyfriend. Oh, we're going to talk about this after. Yeah. So yeah, we met together, our boyfriends together

on our winter break trip this winter. So what do you think about Sophia's boyfriend? You know, I can't really judge when the kids are, you know, 15, 16. I mean, wow, they have so, so much to do and grow because I was once there. Yeah. Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty much the age that you got pregnant at? Yeah, I was saying that the other night. So her boyfriend actually flew into Austin, Texas because he lives in Utah for her birthday. And he's also homeschooled, which is like great. So we had a great birthday weekend together. because he lives in Utah for her birthday. And she's also homeschooled, which is, like, great. Oh, that's awesome.

So we had a great birthday weekend together. And I was, like, sitting at dinner with them after she, like, blew out her candles and everything. And I was, like, at 15. I was, like, on party buses with, like, 27-year-olds. Isn't it wild how they're the opposite of us? I was, like, yeah, I was like, this wild child. And I was like, I am just so happy that Sophia is in like an amazing restaurant

has like all this stuff has someone who, like actually cares, you know, they're just building like a great friendship and just quality, quality time, quality people that I kind of really, quality, quality time, quality people that I kind of really, to be honest, did not have. And it was just chaos. And I was like, I am so fortunate to see this for my child. It's just crazy to me. I love it. I love it. And I love watching Sophia smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever. It's just, I'm so happy for my daughter. She totally deserves this amazing journey that she's been blessed with. So God is good. Yeah. I love that. Where'd you meet your boyfriend at, Sophia? Um, I met him on VR. On what? Virtual reality? Yeah. Is that like a video game or? Um, it's

like those headsets, you know? Gotcha. With like the virtual games and stuff. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Specifically VRChat. Gotcha. Okay. Those kids are in VRChat. Watch out. Yeah.

That's like AOL chat when we were growing up. Literally. So yeah, both of us met our boyfriends online, essentially. Yeah. Well, I would think that being who you are, it's got to be hard to meet people a normal way. It's not like you're just going to go to church and meet somebody, you know, and I would think growing up with who your mom is, is probably makes it hard for you to meet people in normal way also. And you don't go to school. So it's like, you know, you have to meet people where you are at, you know, in life. So how has your mom's stardom affected you?

I mean, it's kind of been hard to make friends, like, in real life and stuff. But I would say once they accept, like, who I am online, then we like best friends you know but some people once they find out who I really am they like don't want to like be friends with me because of your mom but like I mean I don't really get hurt by that because in the end then you're just fake yeah so I just block them yeah you know no I love that uh Bailey had to go through that too whenever you know whenever we were first coming up in the limelight there was a lot of parents who didn't want Bailey hanging out with her because of who her parents were and I was just like you don't need friends like that if they have

parents that are going to judge them so harshly that they won't let their kid hang out with you because of who their parents are when they haven't even met us or shook our hands then you don't want those people in your life anyways. Yeah. So it is kind of fun. I mean, I've been seeing Sophia kind of like catfish people. What do you mean? It's not catfishing.

Okay. I have, it's called secret accounts. Yes. Oh, they're called Finstas, right? Or isn't that what they are? I mean, it's basically like all accounts, you know? Okay, gotcha. Like I don't use my public profiles or my real name on stuff. Like my friends know my first name. Right. But like I usually don't tell them my last name. Right. Until they find out who I really am. Like for instance. But that's actually kind of smart. That is smart. Like, we have this show, like, called Catfish, right?

But I have to say, like, Sophia's doing it in a catfish positive way, not a toxic way. Right. Because, like, for instance, like, we flew into Utah so that her and her boyfriend can meet. They do know each other's names. It's kind of up in the air on the first date, which was at a trampoline park. Right. And everyone brought their families. And so I loved how refreshing it was, actually.

I was refreshed by his mom, his family, not knowing who I was, just taking me in like a glass of water, just having a good time. Just loving you for who you were in that moment. And also the same for Sophia. And then her daughter arrives and she knew exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like, it just kind of sucks the fun out of just being present in real life. Yeah. just kind of sucks the fun out of just being present in real life yeah um but yeah I really loved like how we've gotten to know each other even though you could definitely see they are

definitely affected by someone's fame what they might might not have how we live. And that's sad. And so I just say whatever Sophia needs to do to see positive and have positive interactions and relationships. That's awesome. I support it. Even if it's a little catfishy. I'm okay with it. Right? Because I kind of understand the method to the madness. Yeah, she wants to make sure that the people that are in her life are there for a reason not because of who you are, because of who she is. So I think it's actually kind of genius. It is genius. I like it.

When's your birthday? February 23rd. Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius Pisces. You're like right on the cusp. Oh, really? I don't know. She likes to swim.

Oh, yeah. She's a little fishy. Yeah. A gothic swimmer. Yeah. A little black fish swimming in the pond. Yes. Can we talk about your beef with Nicki Minaj?

What happened with that whole situation? She's not a Barbie. I'm kidding. Because I feel like she kind of called you out and brought that on herself. And I feel like. A lot of people bring things upon themselves in my career. But yes. Yeah.

I feel like she's doing that now to make the stallion also and I think people yeah people didn't take her her people didn't consider it bullying whenever she did it to you because it was a few years ago but now that they're seeing a pattern and how she treats people I think it kind of you know is putting a spotlight on how she acts as a person. I have to say, like, Nicki Minaj, I believe she said, like, I was a cunt because of how I treated my mom. She was watching, like, a Teen Mom rerun one day when she was doing that. I have to say anyone who talks to me or towards anyone, bullying them out loud, doing whatever they're doing, not paying attention to

their own mental health and why she's doing that the reason why someone reaches out in a toxic way calls someone another name tries to degrade them acts like they know how to be a better daughter to their mom or whatever that is a denial they're delusional so i have never thought That is a denial. They're delusional. So I have never thought greatly of anyone similar to Nicki Minaj, like a Chrissy Teigen, who also does that to me, or other people who do that, or women who do that. It also very much reminds me a little bit of the toxicity

between my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me growing up. So it's a trigger for you. You know, I just recognize it as complete mental illness almost um to be honest so I don't think uh my daughter has anything to worry about of like listening paying attention to anything uh from women who have like a platform and they're just like lashing out in mental illness because that's not having self-control that's not therapeutically dealing with it um she also wasn't a mom i don't really think nikki minaj is a great mom i don't think she really has done the personal work she's very

i think like a convict who i guess has like done very weird things um So I can't really care about anyone who that comes from. That's like caring about a hater online who says the same things. Whether it was Nicki Minaj or a deep fake account online saying it, it's going to the same place of like, ooh, that's unhealthy for my mental health. That's like mental illness coming at me. I don't have time for that toxicity. So, and I'm sorry that Megan Thee Stallion had to go through all sorts of stuff and criminal

behavior, but she doesn't deserve that in her present success or her future success. And I really hope that she finds other great artists to work with and have friendships with. Absolutely. How do you deal with all of the online stuff that comes to you? Are you used to it now? Or I don't think anybody ever gets used to people just bullying, but does it hurt still? Or did it ever hurt you like in the beginning? And how do you deal with it now? I definitely had a shame spiral many a times with online toxicity. And I think that's why I am totally cool with Sophia not being on it, not posting as much, not doing whatever because it's really not needed.

It's not a safe space for her. Yeah, it's not a safe space. And I think we just try to, again, pardon me, create that safe space for us, our own selves. So if that's like posting once a year that's what's good for us um like and i don't even know like this whole thing with like limiting teenagers on social media i think in a way it feels like we're letting like criminals and deep fakes and all these things control and take over and oversaturate the

internet when the internet would be so much more better with like credible real people who enjoy the internet so i just wish i had better people to play with on the internet yeah but the the internet has hurt you before to where it sent you into shame what did you say yeah like definite like depression or maybe anxiety at times and it's got to be heavy especially when they run like news articles about you and stuff like that yeah I you know like the press bullies you I feel I feel like we need to work on um just reporting in a non-bullish fraudulent way um like when i've been dealing you know like when i was like attacked at dinner by security and then everyone acts like i did something to them and i have reporters calling me everywhere and they're making me out to be a bad person

my lawyer lawyers were literally like you cannot talk to them anymore if they want to behave this way if they can't tell the right news I'm not responding to them do not respond to them and that's just kind of sad because again like just kind of being raised with news reporters and even some of them being my friends it's just been really sad to see like people use their jobs and inflict toxicity and affect someone's mental health or it could I'm not letting that happen but it definitely does to other people yeah absolutely I couldn't agree more I think online is um kind of like the devil's playground you know like people can say and do whatever the hell they want and there's no recourse well I feel like the devil's playground you know like people can say and do whatever the hell they

want and there's no recourse well i feel like the good people uh get the recourse like they actually get like i can't even get on tiktok live because someone said it was like sexually explicit sitting in my office doing nothing um did you appeal it oh i've appealed it my agencies have reached out they say that they don't have footage they can't see it so they can't redo it I just feel like or undo it I feel like internet platforms are just crumbling period like they're crumbling they're not doing that well they're relying so heavily on marketing they don't care to keep health number one even though we're giving all of these things like healthy mindset and track your time and do

all this but we just keep allowing again like deep fakes toxicity everything non-stop um so like if i go and look on my dashboard right now you'll see like my account on the back end is flagged all the time for bullying. But are we deleting or blocking those bullies? Right. So I just I let the Internet. There's no solution to the problem. Yeah. I just let the Internet crumble and I like to use it to post, to share things, whether that's about mental health or something fun or birthdays or

whatever. But I don't know. I maybe just one day. Who knows if I need any of it? I really don't know if I need social media. Yeah, I don't think you do. I think you've made a name for yourself that if you didn't have social media, people would still, you know, be obsessed with you because that's just how they are. I have read mixed reviews. I have. Did you sell poop or did you not sell poop? Oh, that's so funny. I saw my poop slime in my office. I made poop slime and we sold out of that. But yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop. I love talking about buttholes. I have never sold my poop.

I do get offers literally every day, every day for it. And it's crazy. Like my boyfriend's like, you, he's like, I find, like I just, it's like, I find it so disgusting. But he's like, you have all these guys just wanting to pay you like five thousand dollars for you to send them shit. And he's like, I can't even pick up your own dog shit. Like he's like, I don't know how this is. So they waft in it.

It's crazy. I used to sell my panties when I had. Oh, yeah. They like a vacuum sealed and sitting for like two weeks. Like it's wild. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know but I I haven't done that but I I don't know I heard it was like against the law so I just don't do that yeah

um what's the weirdest request you have gotten on your only fans um I mean what's weird anymore right I don't know there's so many what's the oddest I don't know. There's so many weird things. What's the oddest or, you know, wildest? There's so many weird things I hear every day. I just don't know what's odd right now. I don't know. I have to, like, think so much. No worries.

But I don't know. I just find it weird when people really want to like have customs and like they always try to like get in my personal life. So it's like your boyfriend or like, could you ask for a friend to do that? I just am like, why would you even get on here and, and like insinuate?

I would ask anyone else to be a part of your crazy imagination. So how is your OF doing? How um my OF is doing fabulous and I love my OF I can't I like I often ask myself when I think to just shutting it down um because I felt like I was getting so sexually shamed, and I just don't like dealing with any, like, sexual shaming stuff. And so I was like, maybe I'll shut it down. Maybe I won't. And then I keep it up, and I often, like, sometimes I'll just post some funny comments that I get. But I often, like, there's a lot of negativity online.

But I will say, OF is a lot of positivity compared to all the negativity. Oh, I loved my OF. I have. It was great. If you're a hater on somebody's OF, you've got fucking problems. Yeah. You're paying them monthly to talk shit to them. Yeah.

It's crazy. And that happens all the time. But there's a lot of men who or women, who always send me like the best messages. And I'm like, God, I needed that for my self-worth today or like my self-compassion or like just loving myself today. So I have to say, if that's so positive out of all the other social medias, I've kept my OnlyFans. And I think maybe I even rave about it sometimes.

I'm like, I can't delete this. It makes me so happy. And you shouldn't have to delete it. If it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value, why would you delete it? Because people online don't agree with the lifestyle. I've never understood that stigma with OF. It's wild to me that we're not touching anybody. Nobody is touching us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting adults and people have a problem with that. Would they rather you be in hotel rooms, you know, being an escort? Like it's wild to me. So I, yeah, I just, I think only fans have as just, again, been positive for my mental health, positive me um I don't like I literally screen grab and

save some of these messages because I was like if I ever just bye-bye from it I would love to save these memories because they're such good memories I mean I don't know like my boyfriend doesn't have a problem with it so and honestly I think he he actually likes it so like he makes his like own little funny username and he's like oh chat with me on there it's just kind of like a fun play thing role play um honestly if that's good for my relationship if it's good for my business if it's good for me i'm like god could could life get any greater oh if soph Sophia ever wanted to make an OnlyFans would you allow her when she's of age um well I definitely out of the question on now right of course reporters actually have asked me that already yeah I was like literally thrown no not now that's how she's under age that's weird

guys that's like not allowed yeah but I mean she is almost 18 so I think that's probably why there's so many years to go before that I said I'm counting them down I'm like kid you got two years two years to get the hell out no I'm just kidding no uh I don't think Sophia wants to do that like Sophia basically barely uses social media yeah um Sophia if you do have any use or need for anything that's an adult only platform no she said no no you know and I think I do have that need because I had managers and agents basically like being like I'll run it I'll start it I'll do it like you have to do this and I didn't even do it myself open it so um I think because it was like a different journey in that and again like I am a sex symbol like I am something in that arena and I think you can't

disown that or act like it's not um and so well you had a sex tape that came out yeah and a lot of you know then I had a novelty line from that odd traumatic successful experience of a tape situation I was like you know what for like sexual health and well-being I want to come out with a men's and women's line of novelty toys. And I also won an Avian award for that. So I've like, those are things that happened in my life journey. Yeah. And I'm happy they were successful. And I think to do that justice, you know, to have some of those adult platform pages, that's, that's a no brainer in that, you know that journey. So I'm fine with it and it makes me happy. How much did you end up making off of that sex tape? I don't know. I still make money

off of it. She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby. No, it hasn't stopped. And I also made millions from my novelty toys, those licenses um I actually just enjoy business yeah like a lot of people and I love my friends who are all into adult entertainment that was not my allure that's not like my thing um but I do like business in certain senses of my comfort level. So yeah. You like multiple streams of income. Yeah. Who doesn't? Right. Right. Preach sister. So yeah, I have my own way of how I live, you know, my sex life and my choices and me as a woman. And I'm just really happy, like happier than I've ever been. So I think whatever happened in my life along the way, it was meant to be, even though it was like not the greatest thing. But yeah, it can certainly get you predators.

It can certainly lead to like sexual assaults and those things. when other women or even my own child my own daughter to know like there's nothing to glorify about anything of what I went through or what I've done I literally look at my sex tape and I see someone who is battling face dysmorphia who feels so unloved who is like going through just like bereavement of the loss of her dad and so when I see a sex tape I see something so of nothing I want ever in my life again but I have people every day who bring up my sex tape or like the toys that I made and it brings them joy and so I have to really take myself away from that but I do love that it's helped me become aware that I needed to do personal and mental help and health on myself for sure. I love that. Yeah.

What does 2024 hold for Farrah and Sophia? What do you guys want to accomplish? Lots of laughs. Yeah. Laughing a bunch this year, traveling, having fun. Sophia's working on whatever she wants to write create and make are you guys gonna do a song together well we have oh i love it no thank you yeah she does not know how to sing i don't know how to sing and that's okay for some reason i have a cult following of people who loved my music when I was depressed. So again,

like some people love your stuff when you're depressed and going through like a mental breakdown. So I love it. Well, I think it's relatable. I feel like people feel like they're like, fuck, I'm going through it too.

You know, like this is relatable. That's why people relate to my husband because of the music he makes, you know? Yeah. It's crazy. However, you will enjoy someone's music or

whatever so yeah Sophia is going to go on her own journey of gothic music and see how people relate to that and have fun and write so yeah I mean every every year is about creating something new and finding more of ourselves so I think that's what we kind of are doing. Um, besides shows and besides stuff that I'm already doing, I'm just like back to school again. Yeah. So are we going to get that law? He's over here sawing logs. I'm over here shaking his head. Um, so are you gonna, are you gonna move forward and getting your law degree? Yeah, I'm moving forward with, I'm in a master's program right now and you can start doing like your JD and even your PhD. So I'm moving forward with I'm in a master's program right now. And you can start doing like your JD and even your PhD. So I'm just going all the way I'm getting my PhD. But I'm going through

the master's almost done with that at the end of this year. And then doing law the next year and everything like that. So I feel like as much as I've spent in legal fees, and everything, I should already have the law degree. You should be own lawyer Farrah at this point I keep learning new things every day though so um yeah there's a lot going on in 2024 I can't wait till it's actually done but I'm excited for it I love that and I love watching you guys grow and flourish together and I think it's amazing and I just want you guys to stay on this journey I love that you're the happiest you've ever been that makes me happy for you because happiness is hard to come by man you guys to stay on this journey. I love that you're the happiest you've ever been. That makes me happy for you. Yes.

Because happiness is hard to come by, man. It is. You have to choose happiness. Yeah, go mom and daughter teams. Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having us.

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