Dumb Blonde - Favorite Moments of Season 7

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

We take it back for a moment to remember the wild ride that was Season 7! Bunnie's handpicked the juiciest moments for us to relive all the insanity, laughter, and group therapy sessions. Fro...m Bailee Ann spilling the tea to Bam Margera's crazy antics, near-death experiences on planes, online drama, Tyler Henry's insights and Dita Von Teese's sultry stories, it's been a rollercoaster of emotions and entertainment. Buckle up, babies. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:04:15 and lawyers and shit, and I was like, I wanna be super hot, make a lot of fucking money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child, and here we are. One, two, three. What's up you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I literally just lost it. I've started crying on the phone. I was so mad. There were so many fucking emotions and you know, of course, the first thing I want
Starting point is 00:04:35 to do is be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I can continue being the shitty human I am doing all the things I'm doing and doing drugs and lying and hurting people and hurting myself I was sitting alone with the person who tried to kill me and that's like a really like Dark paradox to be stuck in until you can finally like get out of it So it's like it was just it was just me. Yeah, and I was like, what the fuck like I don't know what I'm sitting in the room that I tried to kill myself in with just the person who tried to kill me. Yeah. Like I have to like I was just ready.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Finally hit the fork in the road. So that night I sent Bailey to her room and she took a bunch of pills that I did not know she had. The next day she came down and she's like, Mom, I got to tell you something. And I was like, what's up? She's like, I tried to kill myself. Said, say that again. She said, I tried to kill myself.
Starting point is 00:05:24 And I said, well, how did you do it? She took the pills and I just looked at her and I said, Bailey, we have to treat this as a cry for help. But it just crushed me because I was just like, she was just upstairs. What if she had really gone through with it? What if I took that bottle of pills and didn't throw up?
Starting point is 00:05:38 This is a 911 help and we need to do something. And it was the hardest decision I think Jay and I have ever had to make together as a couple. My parents had put me in a mental hospital when I was a teenager, when I was 14. And I know what happened to me in that mental hospital. And I just know that Bailey's issues run deeper than a medication and being in a fucking straight jacket.
Starting point is 00:06:01 This is trauma. This is hurt. This is pain. She needs somewhere to go that she know nothing can get to her. Nothing can bother her. This is not something that you throw a pill at. This is something that this is you need to rip the bandaid open and you've got to really start healing and I'm 14.
Starting point is 00:06:18 This is my mother who I really trust and who I've built a really good relationship with at this point her mom actually provided her with the weed a lot. yeah also had you doing what else? Had me drinking a lot at this point so yeah we started drinking together everything's and I'm like okay like this isn't whatever you're just cool mom you're letting me drink it let me smoke weed like this is cool. It was fourth of July we had left my mimi's for her big fourth of July thing that she does every year. She's like hey we're gonna make a stop. You gotta stop Felicia what are we doing? And I was so drunk, the kind of drunk where I just don't even like, I can't even feel what's around me. So I'm just like, okay, whatever. Let's just stop somewhere. She's like, yeah, we're stopping by my dealer. And I was like, that's a bomb to drop.
Starting point is 00:06:56 What? We're stopping by your dealer? What do you mean your fucking dealer? That's when she told me, she's like, yeah, I've been doing cocaine again, but it's recreational. What the fuck? I remember freaking out. And then she like talked me down and she's like, it's okay. Like, and I'm like, okay, whatever, mom. It was getting really bad to like where your mom wasn't able to like take you to school. God, the house was horrendous. Yeah, it was like nightmares. Like I still to this day, it was bad.
Starting point is 00:07:21 I remember the first time your daddy took me there that you had to have been like what seven years old about seven. Yeah. Your daddy took me there and my first memory of Bailey is her cooking dinner for her cousins. Little two cousins who I was literally raising. Yeah. Literally raising these two children. So you got to imagine Bailey is you know six seven years old and she's moming these two younger cousins and this house was completely trashed. Bailey had no bed. She was sleeping in a chair. The neglect in the house was just horrific.
Starting point is 00:07:51 It was really bad. Honestly outrageous. Yeah, like no kids deserve to go through what they went through having two addicts, you know, as parents. So yeah, that's how bad their addiction was getting. And that's what I'm trying to paint the picture. It wasn't like they were just popping a pill here and there like it was like it was yeah god it was terrible how are phil and april doing how's your relationship with them i just realized that right now it's just a good time to just back off and and they were a part of the
Starting point is 00:08:19 whole treatment thing like i got a guardian just like britney spears and her only answer to everything was lock me up and throw away the key, put him in treatment, put him in treatment. And I knew that that was not the way. You feel like April and Phil had something to do with the... Was it a conservatorship that you had? They all teamed up on me and said that he needs to go away for a long, long time. It's gotta be so hurtful that the people that are supposed to love you the most seem to be so hurtful that the people that are supposed to love you the most seem to be so against you.
Starting point is 00:08:45 You know, what hurts the most is that my Aunt Missy, my mom, they were all in on it, hiding in a hotel, and then all of a sudden the police show up. I'm like, are you in on it? My mom's like, bam, I have no idea. I have no idea about it. Then as soon as I get handcuffed and taken away, she's talking to the cops like they fucking arranged this. That betrayal has got to be fucking traumatic. For a whole year she's like bam I swear I had no idea about it and then a year later BJ got the body cam footage I'm like what do you have to say about this? Well bam we didn't know what to do it's like but but you lied to me for a whole year. Were you using a lot then? No because I was in
Starting point is 00:09:20 treatment for two years but as soon as I would get out the first thing I wanted to do was that because I had no reason to stop. I'm gonna soon as I would get out, the first thing I wanted to do was that, because I had no reason to stop. I'm gonna say it, because this is the honesty day today. Whatever issue you have, your family's supposed to be the ones that you can count on, and your friends. Knoxville tried to do this movie called Action Point in South Africa, and they had a $15 million budget,
Starting point is 00:09:37 and he tried to do it without us, and it was a fucking flop. They only made $2 million. So when that happens, the label says, you're not free to go. You're either gonna have to pay this back or fucking put your house up for sale or do a Jackass five. Well, if Bam's not in it,
Starting point is 00:09:51 then that's already $6 million to $5 million that we don't have to pay back. So we could already say he's a fucking liability because he's drunk out in front of a hotel room on TMZ. So you're still really angry here with Knoxville. Put me through hell, maybe pay all this fucking treatment money and they're filming behind my back while I'm in treatment.
Starting point is 00:10:08 So they already set me up to fucking fail. And then as soon as I do the slightest thing wrong, I'm not in the movie. So I paid 100 grand to go to treatment only for me to fuck up. And then now I'm not in the movie. They had it all planned out. Shermaine and Knoxville, they would be in Los Angeles making all these secret deals then they do a fucking documentary about how Jackass got created and talking about Big Brother the whole time and at the very tail end probably about 5% oh yeah and then Ben was doing CKY
Starting point is 00:10:34 in Pennsylvania. Sold millions of copies you fucking barely sold 20,000 copies of it. I feel like you made Jackass though because you already had like a little mini empire with CKY before even getting on to Jackass. I know who you were before Jackass. I have learned how to forgive and be happy and I deleted anybody that's given me a problem but I just want to take my anger out on one person. Knoxville get into a ring with me take off your boxing gloves one two three you're fucking done for. Once you get Martzman acted or Baker acted it usually happens Florida. That means that you have to do 90 days in treatment.
Starting point is 00:11:06 And if the interventionist knows that you have good insurance, they will find reasons to keep you there for eternity. So I'm like 88 days in and I'm like, I get to in two more days. I get out hip hip hooray. Then he walks in, he's like, you've been rocking those same shorts for like three days. Now, I'm like, yeah, I'm not trying to get any pussy around here. I don't care. They're like, that's bad hygiene. You're doing another 90 days at another place. Then I'll do 88 days at another place,
Starting point is 00:11:29 flick the cigarette out into a bush. They filmed it smoking like any cigarette would smoke. It was not on fire. They're like, you could lit the whole national forest on fire, you're doing another 90 days at another place. They just kept doing it and doing it and doing it. It's called body snatching basically. Yeah, straight up body snatching.
Starting point is 00:11:41 It's the insurance. They just toss you through. And I realized that there's nothing that you could do to get out this. You're stuck. They will find, yeah. Oh yeah, once you're in the system, it's a fucking rabbit hole. So I did everything right and I better know, you know, we're going to keep you here for another 90 days.
Starting point is 00:11:54 For what? I've done everything you've asked. I've been here for two and a half years. Get me the fuck out. I was in the longest Florida shuffle. It's a fact. It's called a shuffle. She's like, man, there's no such thing as a Florida shuffle.
Starting point is 00:12:05 You have to do a statement saying that you didn't know what you were talking about. And I really went on, she like forced me to do it. Like, hey guys, I know I was talking about the Florida shuffle, but I don't know anything about it or what I was talking about. And I was not in the Florida shuffle whatsoever. Lies.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Like I was definitely in the fucking Florida shuffle. I was in 13 different treatment centers at 90 days a piece and one of them was doing it at 20. It's called a shuffle. They kept me in there. The definition of the Florida Shuffle, where Bam was, which his parents seem to be in denial at times, is that they will just take you and then say you and I have one. It's like, hey, Bam's about to get out, so let's get him fucked up. Because if they let you out and you have a couple days left, they're hoping that you relapse so they can keep you for another 90 days for insurance purposes. Say hey you know Haley's over on 10th street in Delray go get her and then you would keep
Starting point is 00:12:49 her for 30 days and we would split the hundred thousand dollars and that's how it goes and that's what he was it's just a constant shuffle. I saw this psychic lady who basically told me to be a yes man say yes to everything so oh that's not don't tell Bam that. I pull in with the Bentley to this gas station in Vista, California, because my phone died and I didn't know how to get to his house. So I had to charge it in the gas station. So as soon as I pull up these M13 gangsters
Starting point is 00:13:13 with their tattoos, face and everything, they go, yo, you Bam from Jackass? I'm like, yeah. They're like, can we get a photo? I'm like, yes. And they're like, can we sit in your car and get a photo? I'm like, yes. They're like, yo man, this thing must be fast.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Can we go around the block and whatever? I'm like, yes. So then we go around the block and we're cracking jokes and I park at the gas station knowing that my phone's still charging and I'm, hang on guys. I leave the car running. I'm like, I got to go get my phone. They're like, all right, cool. So I go in and I'm like, Hey ma'am, can I get my phone? They're like, she's like, I gave it to your friend. I'm like, what friend? I'm from Pennsylvania. I don't have any friends here. She's like, well, I gave it to somebody, but you gave my phone away. I was forced to call 911. So three cop cars pull up and I guess they were all larried up on whatever, but they thought it was for them. So they took my car as the police show up, not knowing that it's for me and my phone. It had nothing to do with them. This guy just got
Starting point is 00:13:59 out of jail for five years for guns and drugs. And apparently he had guns and drugs on him. So he took my car. I walk out, there's three helicopters in the sky and I hear from officer Bentley. I'll never forget. Bentley's been crashed in the house. I'm like, awesome. And I didn't want to press charges because I don't need these guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Ate the cash on that as well. Why do you think this should happens to you all the time, bam? Because I listened to a lady to say yes to everything that day. There has to be some level of discernment in your gut, though. You got to be like, no, maybe I shouldn't be riding around with these guys. It was just like, she just said it. So the first thing that just said yes to everything,
Starting point is 00:14:37 yo, Bam, can we get a photo? Yes. Was she a stripper psychic? No, she was a psychic. And then the stripper was an accident, then a buddy. Was the psychic in the strip club? He had a tiny bit. No, it was not totally unrelated to you and Ryan Dunn's relationship. Let's focus on that for a little bit. You guys were like best of friends.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Yeah, he was just such a character. He would be the guy to do the gnarly thing that everybody would back out on to get in that wheelbarrow and get pushed off of that three story building into this pricker bush. Just give me a shot of crown royal and let's get it done and over with." So and we did everything together. Find out that he got in a car accident. It was very devastating because I never had anybody die that I was close to and I never knew what it felt like. I remember we were in outside of Phoenix, Arizona. I was doing an appearance the next day. All of a sudden I just punch
Starting point is 00:15:21 out the van window and break it for no reason and the tour manager was like, why did you do it? I'm like, I don't know. I'm just mad and I don't know why sudden I just punch out the van window and break it for no reason and the tour manager was like why did you do I'm like I don't know I'm just mad and I don't know why I just don't know why. Turns out he wrecked at 1228 in Pennsylvania and I smashed the window at fucking 928 in Phoenix so it's like we had such a connection that I knew something bad happened and I didn't know what till I found out the next morning. It was like he was like a soulmate. Like he wanted you to know. Yeah. Soulmates can be your friends too. Do you feel like after Ryan's death is kind of when you started spiraling? Hell yeah because I was so lost. Instead of like drinking as a
Starting point is 00:15:56 celebration it was just drinking to forget. How did you guys meet? In the bottle. Yeah? There's more to that. I gotta hear now I gotta hear the spend the bottle story. We met but we didn't know each other like we knew of each other but it was because of a person. He was basically friends with the person that I dated. I took his bitch. Oh my god. Mr. Steal Your Girl. I told him let's fade like I'm down to fade for her so. What the hell? My friend Susan like I started going out with her like going and sleeping over at her house more. And so she hung out with his group, like a friend.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I had basically started liking his pictures and he started, we just started liking each other's pictures. We started commenting on each other's things. Then my friend Susan, I was going to go hang out at her house and she was like, oh, Garrick said he wants to hang out. I was like, I'm down. So then I went and I stayed with Susan. We got drunk and then got bored
Starting point is 00:16:47 and I didn't want to make a first move because there was a bunch of people. We got bored. I didn't want to tell her, let's just go to the room. Basically, I had told him, I was like, there's a game that me and Susan play. It's in the bottle and I was like, all of us, let's play it, you know?
Starting point is 00:16:59 It actually landed on me and her. I look over and he's on the bed, ready. I swear to God, he was like, on the bed. And everyone is just staring. He slowly creeped up to the bed like he knew. And he was just like on the bed. This is his time to shine, baby. He was waiting for this moment.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Like I looked over, I was like, where? And then I just look over and he's literally on the bed. You know what you wanted? Did you guys end up kissing? Did you crawl on top of him and kiss him? Yeah, I was like where and then I just look over he's literally on the bed Did you guys end up kissing did you crawl on top of him and kiss him? Yeah, I was like the ballsy one I like walked over there and I was like, oh this is what you guys want to see I was like well you're gonna get a show So after that night that you guys hooked up you guys just decided to be together from there Um, no, it was kind of like a hookup that night. Mm-hmm. And then we kind of would just like
Starting point is 00:17:42 We were never gonna see each other again No, we probably were we were gonna be like fuck buddies. You know? Yeah. But like I didn't know. Did G put it down? Yeah. I gave him the works.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Nice. I knew like I had to like. Attaboy. Yeah. And I was in my football body. I actually could not, Susan even knows this too. I actually couldn't walk. Like I couldn't sit.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Goodness gracious. I couldn't sit. It hurt. It hurt so. I was like flipping around. Yeah, it hurt so gracious. I couldn't sit. It hurt. It hurt so. I was like flipping her around. Yeah, it hurt so bad. She was 90 pounds. Yeah, we never talk about this,
Starting point is 00:18:09 but literally I like. No, I love it, it's great. I literally, I remember me and my friend, like I literally, I went to sit down on her like, on her table. Yeah. And I just sat down and I was like. Oh.
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Starting point is 00:21:33 I might the implants were so heavy you still have big boobs. These are my real ones I had my like a D still yeah, I had my hands taken out But yeah, that's exactly I would hunch over to and I still do that now because I'm so used to having those I had my implants taken out but yeah, that's exactly I would hunch over too and I still do that now because I'm so used To having those I had those fucking kazongas for like 13 years. So you got a nice rack I'm a fucking 34 triple D. They're nice. I'm gonna show you when we're done. I can't wait. They're crazy I can't wait hurt. I've thought about a breast reduction, but my husband's like don't you dare? You know that crazy scar and like there's no if not if you go to a microsurgeon Really? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:22:05 They'll be able to do it like super, super thin. Really? Like I had one girlfriend of mine who she they took the nipple off. And then they took and then they put it back on. It looks crazy. Yeah. Someone chewed on the nipples and sewed them back on. Like someone ate the pepperoni and then fucking put it back on.
Starting point is 00:22:20 I'm like, what the fuck? It's like a kid's pizza. You are so open about your mental health journey right now, especially in the times that we live in, is so fucking important. People try to act like everything's fine all the time. And I love the fact that you're like, I am fucking about to get on a flight
Starting point is 00:22:34 and I am scared to death. And like, you're just so real about it. When I was going through my suicidal ideation, I remember looking at Jay and I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna live till 50. I don't want to be here till 50. Now I'm kind of like, shit, I might don't know how I'm gonna live till 50. I don't want to be here till 50. Now I'm kind of like shit I might want to hang out till I'm 80. When I was younger I just was really
Starting point is 00:22:49 struggling and I remember I used to want to die all the time. I'd pray to God I don't want to wake up. I don't want to wake up. I don't want to be here anymore. I was a cutter so I got caught at school cutting. They sent me to the hospital. I got put in inpatient and then from there they ended up putting me on an antidepressant. At 16? Yeah, I've tried to get off of it completely because you know my life has changed and your life does change and that's what I think people need to remember. Maybe in a season of your life where things are horrible, you don't want to be here but
Starting point is 00:23:17 that doesn't mean that spring isn't coming. People sit there and they think this is forever. It's not. Nothing's forever. Good and bad. I'm very uncomfortable all the time almost so like when you meet someone that you're like okay I can just chill like It's not. Nothing's forever. Good and bad. I'm very uncomfortable all the time almost. So like when you meet someone that you're like, okay, I can just chill. Like it's nice. I can let my tits hang out. I just take my top off. That's what I strive for. Yeah, exactly. It's to get you naked. You're a comfort person. I'm dead. You're gonna have to pay more on the
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Starting point is 00:24:10 how'd that sound on you guys's speakers? How was that for the speakers guys? That hurt. We almost fucking died in a plane and I did not think it was going to make headline news. International news. Literally we're on this plane and I already had a bad feeling about it. I just when Jay told us we were leaving at seven o'clock the next night I immediately told Mimi get us other flights because I don't for some reason just something gave me anxiety. I just had like butterflies in my stomach. When we were driving there we
Starting point is 00:24:38 pulled up and Haley was like oh look it's a rainbow it's beautiful and I was like yeah that's a good sign that nothing's gonna be wrong with this airplane. Never say shit like that because I am such a words are spells kind of person but I just felt it and sometimes when I have visions if I don't talk about it they happen we get on this plane and the feng shui of the plane is already off Jay said it the minute he stepped on that plane yeah my husband walked in the plane and he was like wait what my seat is the
Starting point is 00:25:05 seat that he normally always sits in was on the opposite side just felt weird. And then the staff was not that great. They were not terrible snacks. That's a snacks. They just weren't warm and welcoming. And before you're about to have your life in two people's hands, you would like them to be fucking warm and welcoming. And when we take off, they keep like, if you've ever been people's hands, you would like them to be fucking warm and welcoming. And when we take off, they keep like, if you've ever been on a jet, you can feel when they break.
Starting point is 00:25:31 And we're like elevating, elevating. And then all of a sudden we just break. And then it's like, it was so weird because it got like eerily quiet. And then I have my headphones on and I see Boston our security run up to the pilot comes back and he looks like he's seen a ghost almost like he looked really flustered. I moved my headphone thing to the side to hear what he was saying. I said, what's going on? And all I hear Boston say is something's wrong with the plane.
Starting point is 00:25:56 We have to emergency land. Jay just goes, well, tell him sooner than later. Texting my family goodbye and that I love them. I literally was texting Kayla and I was like, oh my God, they have to emergency land this plane. Come to find out the computer malfunctioned and when a computer malfunctions on a plane, the screen that they have to be able to see everything around them and fly other planes, fucking UFOs, anything fucking is completely black.
Starting point is 00:26:21 So he was blindly driving the plane. What's up with fucking Billy Bob Thornton though? King. Literally, right? Him and I literally turned and locked eyes and it was like for a moment I forgot I was married and I was like sashayed my way over to him like just a fucking little dork and I was like such a pleasure to me oh my god icon like I was this is amazing. Cause he's literally the only person I wanted to meet the entire time I was there. You went through all the chairs and then you're like, Billy Bob Thornton.
Starting point is 00:26:50 I was so excited. Like I love all the country music singers too, but I've met all of them. But to see like Jane Seymour and Billy Bob Thornton, they're like, they're fucking icons, dude. Meeting fucking Billy Bob was the highlight of my life. Yeah, for sure. I thought about him for days afterwards.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Such an icon through my life. Dude, he was with Angelina fucking Jolie. They were the ones who originally wore the blood. Did you smell her on him? I tried. I tried. It was a deep whiff. I whiffed his soul whenever we hugged. I love him. I love him. He's a fucking badass. He was so sweet. He was so sweet. The fact that he like takes time to like, he speaks to you, you know, like you meet so many people and you feel like as if they're just speaking. But like he really spoke to you. He's a sweetie pie. But yeah, good old fucking Billy Bob. I love him. Have you ever had sleep paralysis?
Starting point is 00:27:43 I had an orgasm one time during sleep paralysis and I could have swore I was getting like banged by a demon You like what? Yeah, I didn't mind the orgasm, but it was a cemetery No, it was in my bed in the middle of the day It was fucking scary and you can like hear like a growling sound. It's crazy. I've heard I've heard scratching next to my bed Yeah, I've heard growling mine Mine, I just can't breathe. Like I wake up gasping. I can breathe, but I can't talk. But then it just puts me right back to sleep.
Starting point is 00:28:10 I physically cannot get myself out of the sleep. I haven't had a sleep paralysis dream in probably two years. And actually maybe a longer time. We're all gonna go home tonight if I can have a few months to go work on it. I know, I hope not. God, no. I'm wondering what I'm doing different
Starting point is 00:28:24 that why I don't have them anymore. You're not taking vitamins like you used to. I know I hope not. I'm wondering what I'm doing different that I why I don't have them anymore. You're not taking vitamins like you used to. I don't want them. So you think vitamins cause sleep paralysis? Well you were overdosing on vitamins. Yeah. And before that was drugs. You had a chemical imbalance every single time. You've been clear these past two years of everything. It's because I love Jesus. I think that's how it happens too is when you don't plan something, it just organically grows. It's almost like the universe grabs it and just rolls with it.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Don't get me started on manifesting things. Because I really believe that. I really think like a lot of people will ask me like, what does it take to get where you are? And I'm like, well, first of all, stop thinking of where you wanna go and start enjoying where you are. Because if you can't appreciate the now
Starting point is 00:29:09 and what's happening right now, forget it. Like, and when people ask me like what my goal is right now, I'm like, I don't have a goal. I never had a goal. I just was like quietly delighted at all the little milestones and enjoying that moment and working with integrity and gratitude. I'm just so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,
Starting point is 00:29:32 so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, And I think a lot of people, including myself, need to hear something like that because I'm always like on to the next goal. And sometimes I forget that this is a journey, not a destination. So that was very beautifully said. What does it take to make Deedavante's happy in a relationship? Well, I'm a bit of a size queen. Yeah, I love that. Admittedly, joking aside, I guess I just I love doing what I do.
Starting point is 00:30:02 I love working. I love you know, I always have so many projects. I think what I, I love being independent. I don't like being like, I'm somebody's woman. I don't want to date any more famous men. I don't know. I just love my work to me. It's all like spread across the board. Like when I was younger, it was like, I put so much importance on romance. And I just, I'm like, okay. Yeah, as you get older, you're just like, no. It's like, I always tell my husband,
Starting point is 00:30:30 I'm like, we've been together almost a decade. I'm like, if this does not work out, which it will, I could never just get into another relationship again, especially with a public person. And also just having to get to know somebody on that level again of intimacy and just being, you know, joined at the hip with somebody is just it's a lot. It's a lot to have to try to work through again. I've always wanted to ask what is it like?
Starting point is 00:30:53 I don't know if this is too graphic, but what is it like the first time you cut into a body? You know, the good thing is that you're not the first one to do it. And so you're assisting. I think it's the first time it's your patient is when it's really scary. Right, that's what yeah. You know because being a resident there was always backup you know like when we did surgery and in residency you had the older surgeon basically saying like cut here. I remember the first time they actually I was operating with the surgeon I was I was I think maybe an intern and I was doing essentially it was a hernia and that's
Starting point is 00:31:22 like one of the basic operations and I'd never started an operation before and we're standing there over the patient and he goes Tony get started and I had never started an operation before so I'm like and I grabbed the clamp off of the the the Mayo stand which is the stand that the the scrub techs have and he looks at me like you idiot are you gonna make a cut with a clamp? I'm like, oh no, can I have a scalpel please? I could never do it, I would probably pass out. No, because it's baby steps, you know? I mean, our training, for me, my training started
Starting point is 00:31:55 when I was a medical student. You start from literally doing the tiniest little procedures. I remember the first time I did a spinal tap on a little baby. Here's this little kid, this little baby, you know? And I was so nervous as a medical student. But the attending pediatrician was just so gentle and reassuring all the way up to now where it's like, yeah, I've had people say thank you for saving my life
Starting point is 00:32:15 and you know, I've cut people's skin open and pull out, it's like when you think about it, like how arrogant do you have to be to think that you can cut somebody open, especially in plastic surgery, where they're completely healthy, and you make them unhealthy for a period of time, expecting that they're going to be healthy again. Plastic surgery is beautiful, but it's so barbaric at the same time. It can be. Oh, yeah. Fascinating to know that you can cut somebody open, take stuff out, sew them up again. And then the outcome is absolutely gorgeous. What is the wildest request you've ever had for a surgery?
Starting point is 00:32:48 Oh, I can tell you a wild story. Come on. Oh, I'm ready. Okay, I mean, I get wild requests, but this was like a wild story. I had a patient who came in to see me. I literally was in practice for four months. So I'm this new plastic surgeon in Michigan.
Starting point is 00:33:02 I thought I was kind of like, in my head I was trying to present present myself as a Beverly Hills big shot because I trained out in Beverly Hills. And now I'm in Rochester Hills, Michigan, this small town. And at the same time, inside, I knew I'm brand new. I'm green. I've not treated people by myself before, and I was nervous.
Starting point is 00:33:20 But on the surface, it's like, oh, yeah, sure. I'm a real plastic surgeon. I trained in Beverly Hills. I got this. So this woman comes in, and she had had a facelift yeah, sure, I'm a real plastic surgeon. I trained in Beverly Hills. I got this. So this woman comes in, and she had had a facelift and a brow lift done by a different plastic surgeon, a guy who was really not thought of well in my community as kind of a chop-shot type guy.
Starting point is 00:33:35 And so she had some areas where a little bit of loose skin here, her brows had dropped again and stuff. And she was like, can you fix me, or can you make things better? So I'm like, and she goes, I used to be a model and she was now in her late 50s. She goes, I used to be a model and now I'm just feeling like I've lost it. And can you please help me? And I felt bad for her.
Starting point is 00:33:55 So I said, you know what, let me give you a discount and let's do this operation. And it was a brow lift and a facelift and I brought her to surgery and the surgery went perfectly. So she comes back to see me at one week and she was happy at one week and then at three weeks she was happy and then all of a sudden I get a call from her a couple weeks later saying that I botched her
Starting point is 00:34:12 and that she is gonna go see some other surgeons to see what can be done to fix it. So now, I'm literally four months in practice, I never had an unhappy patient before, I didn't know what to do with it. And so I call her up and I say, hey, what's going on? She goes, you botched me. I'm trying to find somebody to fix this.
Starting point is 00:34:31 And so I said, well, please just come back to the office. Let's take a peek at it. Because last time I saw her, she looked great. Like, her healing was fine. So I said, just come back to the office and let's just take a peek and see what's going on. You know, let's see what I can do to help you. So she comes into the office.
Starting point is 00:34:44 She comes barging into, I schedule her at the end of the day because I'm thinking like, I think she's mad and I don't want her to scare other patients away. Right. So you always schedule them at the end of the day so that they don't like, you know, ruin the rest of your day and scare everybody away. So she comes in, she barges in the door and she is pissed off. Her face is bright red and she starts screaming at me and she's like,
Starting point is 00:35:06 you botched me, you botched me, you made me look oriental. And I'm like oriental. She goes, you made me look like you. And I'm like, what? And like she's Caucasian, you know, like no, she doesn't look Asian. And so I go, well, I go, let's settle down. She goes, I saw this other doctor and he told me that I'm a train wreck now, that you completely botched me. I'm like, I'm actually really good friends with this doctor. There's no way he would ever say that. And I don't tell her this, but I go, well, what can I do to try to make it up for you?
Starting point is 00:35:33 Like, let's see what we can do together. And she goes, you better pay me a half a million dollars or I'm gonna run you out of town. And I go, I was literally $200,000 in debt right like I did she look Asian no she was healing fine looking at her decisions everything was healing fine she had by dysmorphia what she looked at it's on the mirror was different than what everybody else saw so I'm like I go look I don't have a half a million dollars like I'm like I'm literally 200 grand in debt myself and that's my, my wife had another 200 grand,
Starting point is 00:36:05 so we're like almost half a million the whole as it is. And so I go, I don't have that money, and she goes $150,000. You pay me $150,000 and I will forget that you destroyed my face. And I go, look, you actually look fine, like let's talk this over. And then she goes carte blanche.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Carte blanche, I get whatever I want by whatever surgeon I want for the next three years and you pay for it and I'm like, I mean what this isn't like So I go look I can't do that then she goes if you don't do that Then I'm gonna send you back to LA where the only people who allow you to operate in them are the whores and she starts running My through my office literally screaming the whores the whores the whores She goes up to my big window and like a horror movie she's like I'm a monster looking at the window screaming at the top of her lungs and so I'm like oh my and now I knew that she was going to be unhappy so I actually wrote her a check for what I had what she paid me and what her hospital
Starting point is 00:37:02 fees were like I would have it's like more than what I meant like what she paid me and what her hospital fees were. It's like more than what I made, what she paid me and a lot more. Because before she came in, I had this feeling like this is gonna go bad. And I had a release for her where if she were to sign the release, then it releases me of indemnity of any responsibility. So I say, look, I've got a check
Starting point is 00:37:21 for the cost of your operation. I go, this is money that you paid the hospital to. I go, I will give you this check if you sign this release. And she looks at it, she goes, this is all you're offering me? And she goes, I will destroy you. I've got good friends in town and we're gonna send you back to where you came from.
Starting point is 00:37:37 And she leaves and slams the door and leaves. My employees are like hiding under their desks and they're like, oh my gosh. So I call up my old mentor in LA who he has seen freaking everything. I remember he told me back in the day he said I had a patient of mine he goes yeah I had a patient of mine who was stalking me would actually be in bushes in front of my house and looking through my windows and so I'm like well he had this person like that person was nuts so maybe he knows what to do. So I call him
Starting point is 00:38:04 up and I say hey doc I didn't like this woman she's like going crazy I think she's gonna like she's trying she actually threatened to hit me with her car at one point and she's gonna like I think she's gonna attack me and I go what did you do to get rid of that patient and he goes oh simple I hired some guys to beat her up oh and I'm like I don't I'm not gonna hire people that I don't even know who to hire to call anyway. Like not that I would hire somebody to beat up a patient of mine. So I'm like, okay, thanks for nothing. And he's like, tell me what happens.
Starting point is 00:38:32 This is exciting. And I hang up on him. So I'm sitting there, I'm like, what do I do? And like my employees, like their eyes are huge. Like all of a sudden, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And she's at the door and my employees are like she probably has a gun and i'm like oh my gosh and they're like don't open the door and i'm like i kind of like a ninja i like creep up to where the window is and like i
Starting point is 00:38:55 look around the corner and like i'm looking like there's no gun or anything so i go up to the door i open it up she she barges in takes a check that I put on the front desk, puts it in her pocket, signs the release, walks up to me and she goes, this is not over. And she walks out the door. And so now the next day I had an operation, it was actually a breast reconstruction on a woman who had these huge breasts and she had had cancer and this and that. It was going to be one of the most difficult, probably the most difficult operation I was supposed,
Starting point is 00:39:27 I was gonna do up to that point in my career. I could not sleep overnight, and I called her up, it was like five in the morning, and I go, I'm really sorry, I said, I can't operate on you today. She goes, well, that's okay, and she's so nice. She goes, we'll do this later. And I go, no, I go, I don't think I can operate on you.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And for months, I, I go, I don't think I can operate on you. And for months, I had like lost all sense of like confidence in myself because like here I, what did I do to this woman? So a couple of weeks go by and I'm at the hospital treating a patient and I get a call from my office and they're like, you need to come back. That patient's mom has left you a message. So I go, what is the message? And the message is, you need to call me, my daughter is suicidal. So now I'm like, fuck, now what happened?
Starting point is 00:40:14 My patient's gonna freaking kill herself because of this freaking facelift that I did on her, and what do I do? I call one of my best friends a psychiatrist, and I say, Brian, this is what's going on, what do I do? And he goes, you need to tell her mom to call the police and send her to the hospital immediately. Because if she's suicidal, you've gotta do that.
Starting point is 00:40:31 So I'm like, okay. So I call her mom up and I'm like, hey, this is Dr. Yoon. I'm calling, you left me a message about your daughter and you said she is suicidal. Is that true? And she goes, what? Suicidal, what are you talking about? And I go, well, this is what message was left.
Starting point is 00:40:45 And she goes, no, no, that's a figure of speech. She needs more money to pay for what you did to her. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like this is an 80-year-old woman, 85-year-old woman trying to blackmail me for more money. Oh my gosh. So I'm like, look, I'm sorry. This conversation's over.
Starting point is 00:41:02 And that was the end of it. And you never heard from them again? So I referred her initially when she called before I saw her and that whole crazy episode happened. And I gave her some names of some local surgeons who are much older than me who had been very established. And so I ran into one of them at a meeting a couple of years later.
Starting point is 00:41:22 And he was like, hey, Tony. I'm like, oh, hey, how's it going? And he's like you know that one patient I'm like oh I know you're talking about he goes she's effing crazy she was just looking for a paycheck I think that she saw this young naive like nice surgeon and was like and got a nice result I think part of it BDD, like by dysmorphia, and part of it's like, I'm gonna take this guy for everything he has. I had a client one time
Starting point is 00:41:49 and he was an emergency room doctor. We were doing like eight balls of cocaine one night and just, I mean, it was like a party. And I looked at him and I remember looking at him and I was just like, this guy's energy is so weird. And I was like, why did you become a doctor? You know, like I was really curious because his energy was just so weird. He's like like, why did you become a doctor? You know, like I was really curious because his energy was just so weird. He's like, you want to know why? And I was like,
Starting point is 00:42:09 yeah, he said, because I love playing God. And I was like, never going to the hospital again. I can't even wrap my head around that mentality. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense to me. And there's so many out there that are like that. I mean, look, we're all people, you know? I am no better than anyone else. And I don't know if he meant that he likes being able to control people's lives, whether they live or die. Like that's scary. I think that's what he meant.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Like that's pretty scary. What is it, Dr. Death? It's insane, dude. He's a neurosurgeon and he was like paralyzing people and causing all these problems intentionally and was like bouncing hospital to hospital Like one hospital didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to kind of oh crap people died on our watch and didn't want to Say it was bad. Oh, come on. I see
Starting point is 00:42:58 I just I could never like that I have too much of a conscience to ever like have somebody else's blood on my hands like that. I'm actually a huge advocate of natural bodies because once you start cutting on yourself, you're, you're and getting lipo and stuff like that. Your weight distribution is completely different in your body. Now I collect, I get like saddlebags if I don't work out right or like ask that a lot about lipo. Like one of the most common questions is, I heard if I have lipo that I'm gonna like gain weight somewhere else. So this is what happens.
Starting point is 00:43:28 We're all born with a finite amount of fat cells, which means they're determined, right? So if we suction a bunch of fat off of your tummy, theoretically that fat is never coming back. But the way that you can regain weight in your stomach is if you gain more weight, the fat cells that are left behind can swell back into the space and you can gain weight.
Starting point is 00:43:45 It's harder to lose. Can be harder to lose. The question that women are asking is, if I get my tummy lipid, am I all of a sudden gonna gain weight in my hips? It's not that you all of a sudden gain weight in your hips, it's just that you have more fat cells there and they're gonna take on volume
Starting point is 00:44:00 maybe before your tummy starts to show. So you may eventually show in your stomach as well but it might show first in another area and everyone's kind of different with where they carry their fat. So that's that's the phenomena that's happening. It's like because you have lipo it doesn't cause fat to go somewhere else. It's just that you have more fat cells in an area where you didn't have lipo and if you're prone to gaining weight there you might show there first and faster than you would in the place where you already have lipo. And if you're prone to gaining weight there, you might show there first and faster than you would in the place where you already had lipo.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Absolutely, but also, after you have body surgery done, you have to eat correctly. Oh yeah. You cannot just get out of surgery and start eating fucking hot Cheetos and In-N-Out and all that stuff, because one, you're gonna lose all the results you just went and spent money on.
Starting point is 00:44:42 The fact that I had the surgery in 2015 and still have maintained these results is that I had the surgery in 2015 and still have maintained these results is because I have the strictest diet ever. That's why women get multiple surgeries and have multiple batches of lipo because they didn't adhere to diets or eating healthy and they just figured that they could just eat
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Starting point is 00:47:41 Can you talk about the sexual assault? What happened? Is this the situation that happened with the mayor? Oh, so I was sexually assaulted recently. We are dealing with someone who is habitually a rapist and like rapey vibes, right? Opposite of consent. Were you raped? Yeah. A sexual assault could be being groped, could be, you know, being kissed when you don't want to be or like this like you That's why I asked if you were raped. So, yeah, I was drugged and woke up like thinking, like, did someone set me up?
Starting point is 00:48:11 Like, are we both in this together? Who would do this? And then I realized it was him who did that. And I was stark naked, did not know where any of my clothes were. A necklace was broken, all that stuff. And it was just like flight. Like I just like ran. I just really didn't know how to behave. It's got to be tough to hold all that in and not talk about it I do think talking about it Like you said is probably the best thing one for you therapy and two that's your testimony You know something that you've survived and that you've gone through
Starting point is 00:48:39 So maybe people are able to connect with you doing the best you can and I think for a lot of other people are able to connect with you. Doing the best you can, and I think for a lot of other sexual assault victims, you do the best you can when you are the crime scene. Straight up. Being sexually assaulted and being like the crime scene was surreal. It just felt like my brain and my body was not connected.
Starting point is 00:48:58 And so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work, somatic experiencing work on that. And I just feel like my heart goes out to so many other rape victims who are going through this stuff for years. It just is really tedious. Circling back to the traumatic experience of losing her father, do you feel like your mom was not
Starting point is 00:49:18 there for you emotionally whenever? Because it plays out on the show. You and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's very on the show you and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's like very on again off again and I I feel as a viewer that your mom almost wasn't Emotionally there for you. And do you feel like that has been like a huge thing and you and your mom's relationship even to this day? Yes, you see like on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things I would say in all because I had to like really you know like 12-step inventory trauma center you
Starting point is 00:49:49 actually write down it's called the fifth step anyone you have relationships with so I'm writing down my mom I'm writing down my dad and what came up maybe I didn't feel like my mom was supportive it's actually way more than just not having support as I seen she never saw how much I love someone. She came up after hearing that he had passed away, that she was happy that he was gone. And I think we might have our own feelings, like I would with Sophia and her boyfriends
Starting point is 00:50:18 in those situations. Do know that I have reasoning and capability of understanding, someone has feelings here and I need to put my stuff to the side. But a lot of what came up at the 12 Step Trauma Center when you're writing down your relationship is abandonment, abandonment, abandonment. Most people will say, well, I didn't abandon you.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Like you were living at my house. I was giving you shelter. I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen, not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment. Tell me about your relationship with Nicole. How did you guys become best friends and are you guys really best friends in real life? Yes, she needed an older sister because she's an only child and I needed a younger sister because I'm
Starting point is 00:50:58 an only child. Our personalities are so different that it just works. She's just so sweet and innocent and pure and tiny. Snooki is sweet and innocent. And I look up to her, even though she's literally a foot shorter than me. She doesn't like confrontation where I'll take confrontation head on. She doesn't wanna fight. She just wants to have a good time.
Starting point is 00:51:19 And her best friend since high school and me started crying over how much we love this girl how much we love protecting her so I look up to her for business advice mother advice she can take on any task and own it and she's still snookie so wants to party and have a good time I would be fucking exhausted in bed by 2 p.m. we're so ride-or-die I't care who's wrong, who's right. Like I'm gonna be in a nursing home with her. She's fucking incredible. We need to fight less. It breaks my heart when we fight. She has the same self-awareness that you did and I'll tell her like we need to
Starting point is 00:51:55 keep this open dialogue and conversation going because I never want you to think you can't come to me open and honest. So if you need to check mom, you can check your mother. And I know if there's an older demo that watches you, will disagree with that. That's the problem. I think so too. I feel like that generation stifled
Starting point is 00:52:14 a lot of their children's voices. Yes. Or I let Bailey come on the podcast this week. I'm getting a lot of hate for letting a 16 year old talk about her trauma, but that's what my platform is about. So when my own child comes to me and says, mom, I want to tell my story so that I can help other kids my age. Am I supposed to tell her no?
Starting point is 00:52:33 No, you have to wait till you're 18 to speak about things that have happened to you. It's wild. Do as I say, you're not allowed to have a voice. It's a one-sided conversation. And I needed to educate myself on how do I break down her walls, make her feel safe and loved while disciplining her. That's what a mom's supposed to do. That's a definition of a mom to me. He pretty much started in the mob at a very young age.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Brooklyn and Staten Island is kind of like the breeding ground for the mafia. My father grew up intrigued with that lifestyle. My grandfather came over from Sicily, and he was on the opposite side of the mafia. My father grew up, you know, intrigued with that lifestyle. My grandfather came over from Sicily and, you know, he was on the opposite side of the street. My grandfather was a legitimate guy. The men on the other side of the street, you know, there was always respect. The way my grandfather respected them, you know, my father was always intrigued and my father said, you know, how do you know this one particular guy that my grandfather knew back from Sicily? And he said, he's a bad guy, but he's one of our bad guys, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:24 he's good to us. So that always stuck in my father's head because he's like, what did he mean by that? But the mafia took care of their communities, they took care of their own. Cosa n' Oshua is this thing of ours and what it is is the mafia actually protected and policed their own communities.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Back in the day, someone couldn't come in a community and hurt a little kid or rape a girl, you're gonna get killed, The mafia protected their own. Yeah, they didn't go to the police, they went to the mafia. They kind of migrated to New York and Sicilians, they were immigrants, they were trying to make money, so the mafia started rackets, where they got into the garment industries, the construction industry. It really was about their own communities and benefiting themselves.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And when you become part of that lifestyle, you understand if you betray that lifestyle, death is the, you know, that's the answer. That's what happens if you betray that lifestyle. So that's what kosanosh is. It's a community of men that came together to be able to provide for their families through crimes or whatever. But you're supposed to always be loyal to that lifestyle. And if you're not, it's death is the penalty. I actually have a new found respect for your father. You know you hear about Sammy the Bull and you hear like, oh he's a rat, he's this, he's that. When you have the world coming against you like that, I would have probably done the same thing
Starting point is 00:54:41 your dad did. Originally, my father was in jail for a year, he was gonna fight the case, but it became the lawyers reached Originally, my father was in jail for a year. He was going to fight the case. But it became the lawyers reached out to my father and said, John's controlling the defense. John doesn't want the lawyer to be able to have a lawyer client meeting without John being present. He wants to know everything that goes on.
Starting point is 00:54:57 I just believe that he set my father up. Do you think he was building the case with the feds? John's saying, well, I lost control of Sammy the Bull. He killed this guy and took over this business. He killed this guy and took over this business. He killed this guy and took over that business. But my father is very loyal to Cozanoshan. He didn't kill anyone unless it came orders from the boss. Gaudi was pretty much turning on your dad.
Starting point is 00:55:16 And your dad kept warning him and was like, hey, man, this is not how it happened, trying to separate the trial. He faced murder trials before. My father, to do that, I couldn't understand because that's so not who he was. Would he still be in prison had he not? And it wasn't even about life. I think my father, at that point, was the betrayal
Starting point is 00:55:35 because I'm indicted on murders because of you. He was hurt and he got disrespected. John's like, oh, I was just blowing off steam. And my father's like, oh, blowing off steam, but now I'm facing a life Sentence and now you're telling me I can't defend myself. That was the Crumble of the Sammy the Bull John Gotti relationship I mean, why don't you just stay true to who you were and like that's why don't you just kill him you ever sat down When I'm he'll tell you the same thing. He struggles with it. Maybe he should have killed John in jail
Starting point is 00:56:00 Like honestly, I just felt betrayed by a brother. I just, I started thinking of the life and he was like, I was just done. I just threw in the towel and that was my way out. Adam and I actually had one threesome with another dude in our personal life, like very early before we were like officially boyfriend and girlfriend. We always thought it was hot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:17 But I feel like Adam didn't want to admit to himself that he thought it was hot. Right. Because at the time we did that, I was just some girl. And then when I became like his woman, it was like, well, is it wrong for me to actually want to do that? To get off on.
Starting point is 00:56:30 With my like primary like lover and not just some girl. Does he like watching you with other men? I would say that he enjoys it, even though maybe he doesn't always wanna actually like admit it like that. Like I'm like your dick got harder. Like I know you enjoy it. Like I, it's in my mouth. I feel it. Yeah. It's women. I swim in Norman. Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I hate that everybody online is like calling him a cook and stuff like that, because it's like, you guys are just literally having fun living out people's fantasies. And I feel like everybody's always trying to put people in a box. It's like everybody has to have a stereotype or some fucking sort of name. And it's just ridiculous. Adam's been fucking different girls for years now. And that's you know, like your guys is saying you always wanted to sleep with
Starting point is 00:57:12 other men or you just didn't know how to ask him or I wouldn't say always finally time. I think it was like maybe four or five years into it where I was kind of just like, like, I know that I'm leaving something on the table by not doing something with another man, like because my fans have been asking for it for so long. They're like, hey, we love you and Adam together, but we really want to see you with someone else.
Starting point is 00:57:37 And obviously there was part of me that was like curious about it sexually, but mostly from a business point of view, I was like, hey, like I really want to do this for my only fans. And it was pretty much always a no, like that is not on the table until eventually it was, it was a yes. And I can't really say like what exactly made Adam change his mind. But I think he brought us all the monetary value in it. I think it like part of it is that he's always been a little open. It's more like that the world is not open. You know, like during that whole, we call the Jason Love Saga, like he was not painted in a nice way.
Starting point is 00:58:14 And even now it's like, you know, that's not your wife. That's everyone's wife. That's how everyone sees him. So take me to the last day of him being alive. He was found passed away on the fifth but we had a maid in the house. So the maid was in the house. I think Aaron told her hey don't talk to Melanie because that's what he did to all of his team when he would be upset with me he'd be like don't talk to Melanie. How long
Starting point is 00:58:37 was she working for him before he passed away? I think we knew her for like two years maybe a year and a half. And she was getting him a couple of jobs but a lot of jobs got canceled because of the trolls and things like that They would call the events and say no We don't want Aaron doing this celebrity event one after the other everything just hurt him dealt with the hurt by taking pills I think just going deeper into his addiction and drinking or doing whatever so that last day was he still huffing also I don't really like to see anything from that week. It's just too hard for me.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Because then I can't sleep for days when I see stuff. I don't know how you're holding it together as well as you are. That's a lot to go through and then to lose somebody so suddenly, you know? He's on live huffing paint. He had an appointment to go to an intake for rehab on Friday, November 5th. So in his mind, he probably thinks it's like one of those his last hurrahs before he has
Starting point is 00:59:30 to go to rehab. Because you know, I thought about it that way. Moving forward, Aaron always fought with you online. And there was a I watched a clip of the live that he did before he passed away. And you're blowing up his phone. And finally, one of the last things you say to him is you are going to die. Yeah, it just, I hate thinking about a lot. Why did I, like, I wish I knew how to handle an addict better.
Starting point is 00:59:59 But I mean, to me, I didn't take that as you trying to be hurtful. I took it as you saying like, you're going to die. It was kind of like, honestly, I would have to say, I didn't know how to handle it anymore. And I just wanted people to know that he was like, what was going on because I was scared. Right. And I wanted people to possibly help, you know, but.
Starting point is 01:00:23 That's what I took it as. I took it as you're like crying out for like, I didn't know what to do anymore. I was like, I was, I think I was just so tired that week and so exhausted from all the craziness that was going on. I didn't know how to handle it. Can you take me? I think my body just shut down because I had my brain. When you're I didn't know what to do anymore.
Starting point is 01:00:42 When you're in those types of relationships, they they consider the trauma that gets caused to your brain like brain damage, because it it's like years of brain damage, especially being I'm not calling Aaron a narcissist, but being in a narcissistic relationship or toxic relationship, it causes brain damage to you because it's that hurtful and just the whole you know, toxicity of the relationship takes its toll on you emotionally and it's not good. So I have a real brothel menu in the bag and can I pull it can I pull it out and look at it? All right we got the Mustang Ranch menu here guys has a little intro and then it gets to the pleasure menu. Special shows
Starting point is 01:01:19 lingerie show, vibrator show, shower show, two or more girl show, drag party, sexy cinema, what's a sexy cinema? We watch a movie but we're not really watching the movie. Oh, gotcha, okay. Does that involve like everything or is it just like, and is everything timed? That's something you work out with each client and we don't try to sell time.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Obviously everything does have to be timed though. And then it moves on to foreplay and it says nude massage, breast massage, French teas, fire and ice, wild horse chair party. What is that? That intertwined with it looks like a tantra chair. So you can do like 120 sexual positions on this chair. I love that. What's the most requested? The standard half and half. Sucky sucky.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Yeah, it says full pleasure right here. So they got a straight lay, they got a wild horse roundup, a half and half, and then they have a menage a trois. Oh, and then we got specialties on the back. Hold on one second. In ranch or off ranch dates. So you guys are allowed to go off the ranch with the dates? Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:19 And what does that entail? Like what's something like that? I just went on one recently before I left work and came here to do this, but we just went up to North Lake Tahoe because that's still on the Nevada side so we have an escorting license for anywhere inside Nevada. We just went up to Tahoe for the day and had lunch and did a little shopping and came back hung out privately and yeah. We only have a
Starting point is 01:02:38 broth license in Story County so she can go on the date but then they have to come back to the ranch and have sex. Working at the ranch, what is like one of the funniest stories you could tell me that has happened there? Girl, this one time this man hit us all up on the email and he was like, I want eight girls. So he hits you up and he was like, I want eight girls to ram me in my ass. Yes. I'm on a two month trip. At the end of this trip, this is the cherry on top and we're like, you're bullshitting. He shows up. He shows up. Picks eight of you and you guys all go in this room and take turns just plowing him. Yeah in the Mustang dungeon. Oh shit. And I didn't have my strap on because I wasn't expecting him to come to the
Starting point is 01:03:17 appointment. My girl, she had an extra but it was the BBC. Fine I'll just go last. So I'm waiting, waiting, puffing my little vape pen in the corner. You're dude getting railed. Yes. Okay puffing my vape in the corner watching Tom get railed I move my big black fake Huck the god and everybody has been in his ass and I think now is my moment go and I just and I don't Normally do things like I'm like the girl next door. I do vanilla parties Yeah, and I just go full for it and this poor man screams bloody murder and he's like, let me up Let me up and he runs to the murder and he's like, let me up, let me up. And he runs to the bathroom and I'm like, oh shit.
Starting point is 01:03:47 And all the girls are looking at me like, what the fuck did you do that for? What happened? You didn't use any lube. You didn't slide it in slow. I was like, I thought it was lubed up. Damn, you just went in dry with a BBC. I went in dry full force. Oh, holy shit.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Was he all right? Did he ever come back? He has been emailing Madame Tarr to come back. Son of a bitch, he loved it. He loved it. But I got a call from him one night. Holy shit, was he all right? Did he ever come back? He has been emailing madam tar to come back But I got a call from him one night we always had this deal he was like if I die you get my bird He had an African Grey parrot his whole fucking life. This was his best friend He had a love relationship with this bird for real He was this was his his soulmate was his bird And he was like when I die she's yours, right?
Starting point is 01:04:23 And so I got a voicemail on my phone one night that's like, hey man, I could hear it in his way. Hey man, you know, something came up. Ruby's yours. I'm like, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck's going on? So I get in my car and I start driving down to Long Beach and I'm calling him over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
Starting point is 01:04:39 over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and man don't even just turn around just turn around it's already done the deals already done just turn around I'm like dude I'm 20 minutes away just hold on I don't know just hold on just fucking hold on did I get to fucking Long Beach I kick open the door and he's like sitting there at this like fucking
Starting point is 01:04:52 wrist and you're like in a pool of blood and shit and I walk in flip on the pool of blood fall into it and I fart fucking just start slapping him slapping him just like what's your favorite almond brother song what's your favorite almond brother song he like his eyes favorite almond brother song? He like, his eyes come open. He's like whipping post. Anyone who knows the song whipping post, like, is like, I feel like dying. It was like the craziest I just say in that state. That is so traumatic to you to have that.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Very traumatic. Like I'm trying not to cry over here. Very traumatic, you know? But that was when I went, started going really off the rails. Cause this was still drug addict days, you know? I went really off the rails. That's a lot of drama.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Scaring my family, won't pick up the phone. You know, the crazy thing is like when I got into my car after the ambulance came and picked him up, I was like, you son of a bitch. I was like, you were giving me a story, weren't you? You were giving me some kind of crazy story from my life, like weren't you? Like you son of a bitch. Do I like just die alone, like for real? Like is that my journey?
Starting point is 01:05:48 And like, like look, like, like obviously it sounds whatever, but it's also like so romanticized to me because I'm like, portrait locked up artist in the middle of the woods painting and smoking cigarettes. You're not gonna die alone. You're not. You know what? I know when I say that it sounds like one of those things, but I am like, I'm such a lover boy in those things Where I'm just like yeah, I know it sounds like like sad, but to me
Starting point is 01:06:10 It's so romanticized and so just like you know what like I've had it I felt it and like we'll see what happens But I'm you have manifested not that a woman will make you any more than you already are your whole by yourself But you have manifested everything in your fucking life yeah you are gonna manifest the perfect woman for you yeah you just have to believe that sure you have believed in yourself and everything else that you have done in this life you have to start believing it stop romanticizing being alone and start romanticizing falling in love start visualizing your perfect girl mm-hmm I
Starting point is 01:06:42 would tell you a trick to do but I don't know if I'll get in trouble on the podcast. But it's like a... Well then cut it if it is, but tell me. So when you're masturbating, Mimi is like, oh, here we go. Hard, this is great. No, when you're masturbating, envision the perfect woman that you want
Starting point is 01:07:00 and masturbate to her until you fruition. That's great because I don't watch porn. They say that if you do that, you're literally manifesting the person that you want and these people will start coming into your life. It's real, try it, let me know how it goes. Uh oh. Call me afterwards, will you?
Starting point is 01:07:15 I'm like, I gotta get past some of this previous manifesting that I've been doing. I like, shoulda told me that like 20 years ago, maybe? Clear the slate, so if you me that like 20 years ago. Clear the slate. So if you're jerking off you know, what happened with your grandfather. So there was an undercover agent named Joe, Joe Pistone infiltrated the mob as Donnie Brasco. Well, everybody thinks that my grandfather was the one who introduced him to everyone.
Starting point is 01:07:56 He wasn't my grandfather got introduced to Pistone from another man. So the guy introduced Pistone, then my grandfather and him became extremely close. Kind of had a gambling problem. Enter Joe Pistone, AKA Donnie Brosco presents himself as this jewel thief, hustler, whatever. And he starts working with your grandfather to initially start paying back his debts, right? They were making money, whatever he did with that money. Yes, it was definitely to pay debt, probably to go pay some more, probably to go buy us gifts, whatever it was. It was for his lifestyle and to pay off debt, but also to keep gambling. This man was so engulfed in this lifestyle that I think he never would have quit. They pulled him off because supposedly there was going to be a hit on my grandfather, so they closed down the whole operation. My grandfather's body language changed differently
Starting point is 01:08:43 so much that day. It was always about me and fussing and fussing, but he became like talking in the corner, like not himself. Like I could read his body language. He was like, you know, he took whatever happened to him like a man. He never ratted, he never cooperated, but he was still nervous because a lot of stuff was happening. He knew something was going down. I OD'd over this. I just lost my whole life. Couldn't come up for air. Jennifer wasn't talking to me for a year and a half. Everything in my life was falling apart. My son didn't want to talk to me. Nobody wanted to talk to me.
Starting point is 01:09:10 You lost your father too during... Everything just started piling up and piling up and piling up and piling up. I gave up. When did you overdose? May. I just like, like lost my shit, man. September 18th, someone gave me a bag of fentanyl
Starting point is 01:09:26 when it was supposed to be cocaine. Was it somebody you trusted or you just got it from a dealer? I said, make a phone call, do me a favor, da da da. And she's like, okay. I vouch for him. I said, okay. I died in a restaurant in Florida.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I was dead. Intervaded for three days. No one in my family came to the hospital and I spent nine days there Learning how to walk again. That was it for me. I said, okay You did a line of this stuff and how I don't remember anything you don't okay So you did these are wiped from my brain literally just that was it. You didn't feel anything I don't know. I don't know what happened at all. I don't remember anything Why did nobody from your family come see you? They were just all mad
Starting point is 01:10:04 They said I wasn't gonna make it and my family didn't wanna. They just couldn't do it. I mean, and I don't blame them. I don't. I've put them through hell. Hell I put them through. I was so wrapped up in wrestling or whatever
Starting point is 01:10:19 that I just, I didn't enjoy myself as a child. And when I was in school, I got bullied. You know, we were talking about earlier, it was good having that family, but in school, I got bullied, you know, I would talk about earlier It was good having that family But in school it was rough my mom actually went missing for six months when I was a kid, too And when I was in school people would bully me for that and I remember I got kicked out cuz I beat the shit of this Girl because she said something about my mom and so when she was on the toilet She was just taking a shit
Starting point is 01:10:39 I kicked in the door and I was swinging on it with a fucking trousers down to her ankles I love how violent you are. I was like you fucker piece of shit. like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,
Starting point is 01:10:51 I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was ditched her. They didn't believe her and my dad did though he was just like come here you know and he took care of her and um but she had a really really tough time getting over that and I don't think that's something you'll ever get over. No you don't. I think it kind of takes a piece of you and you just exactly it just learns to feel different. Yeah and she had like an eating disorder along with it so whenever she you know she's feeling bad all the weight just drops off. She stops eating completely and she gets so sick
Starting point is 01:11:26 that she can barely walk around. What was the light at the end of the tunnel up for you? What was the final straw that, you know, those tapes came out, you said you tried to commit suicide on FaceTime with your mom and thank God it didn't work, but in that moment that you're thinking about taking your life, was that the moment that you were like, something's gotta give, I have to change?
Starting point is 01:11:44 Actually, no, it wasn't that moment I was still really lower it took a while still to get over that but I remember going into a grocery store and my hair was matted I was trying to cover it with a cap you know and again really skinny I was in the liquor aisle and this little girl came past and she just thought I was this fucking Wonder Woman superhero like she was just she hadn't read the internet she's too young you know she just looks at me as Paige at the time you know and she thought I was just the coolest thing since sliced bread I realized at that moment because I
Starting point is 01:12:09 always thought that role models were perfect right they're not role model is not perfect the thing that makes your role model is the fact that you fuck up but you end up getting out of it and going on the other side and like you know taking ownership of that and kind of helping people get through those kind of things you know absolutely that gave me goosebumps I look at this little girl and she's looking at me not knowing like anything that's going on in the world but she just thinks I'm the coolest thing ever, you know.
Starting point is 01:12:29 And it kind of like makes me think about that. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? Heard with waking up one day with the person you don't wanna be with and the switch kind of flip on there being like, what the fuck am I doing? And everything just starts like falling into place. It was so weird.
Starting point is 01:12:43 It all happened like very suddenly. Like everything was just like flip, flip, flip, flip. It was like an ep happened like very suddenly like everything was just like flip-flip-flip It was like an epiphany. Yeah, I'm like what the fuck is happening I woke up one day like that and then I called WWE and they bought my flight and take me back to Florida and took Care of me and I got back into training training again And then I start wrestling again, and it was like this big moment and then BAM my neck gets kicked And I have to retire. Much stronger mentally that everyone was really worried like oh my god she's gonna fucking freak out again. I was at such a good stage in my life at that point
Starting point is 01:13:10 coming out of it I was like I'm never gonna hit that rock bottom again. You learned your lesson. Yeah. That's the most important part I think of fucking up. It's okay to fuck up but learn your fucking lesson and don't fucking let yourself become that person again. I knew things were going on. You know you know, they were like, you always know when they're cheating. Yeah, you always know. It's not, it's never fucking not noticeable. I remember I met him at the Hilton at universal and I just like, was like, do you want this anymore?
Starting point is 01:13:34 He's like, I'm going to go to New York. I'm going to go do Letterman. And when I come back, we're going to start fresh. He's like, I want you in the baby. You're my girls. We're going to start the, you know, he's like, go, he's like, go buy some art for the house, go get some, you know, new things for the house. And when I come back, we're going to start fresh. And I was like go he's like go buy some art for the house go get some you know new things for the house when I come back we're gonna start fresh and I was like okay that was like on a Friday do you
Starting point is 01:13:49 think he really genuinely in that moment meant that or do you think he was pacifying the situation because he wanted to avoid confrontation I'll never know you'll never know I'll never know I was in our home our mansion in Bel Air my mother was there my girlfriend and we were watching the Latin Grammy Awards they were like Oscar de la Hoya is about to hit the red carpet and meanwhile mansion in Bel Air. My mother was there, my girlfriend, and we were watching the Latin Grammy Awards. They were like, Oscar De La Hoya's about to hit the red carpet. Meanwhile, I'm calling him like,
Starting point is 01:14:08 hey honey, did you get home all right? We all looked at each other like, Oscar De La Hoya's on the red carpet. Like, what the fuck is he doing there? And it's in LA, you know? So we're like, wait, what? And they go to a commercial break. What is he doing there?
Starting point is 01:14:19 Why the fuck am I not there? Like, what's happening? Comes back and there he is holding hands with his now ex-wife, Millie. And I just was like, the next day they had a lawyer come to the house and say you and the baby need to move out. This is so crazy.
Starting point is 01:14:32 He wanted to meet me and so I went and I met him the next day and it was the first time I'd seen him since. How long after this? It was about a month since the Latin Grammy Awards. Okay, gotcha. Like I don't wanna legally go after you. Can you help me? I don't know what I'm you. Like can we like, can you help me?
Starting point is 01:14:45 Like I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like where am I gonna live? Like and he goes, you know, you already took me to court for child support and I'm not happy about that. And he goes, and if you sue me for palimony, he goes, I'm not gonna see you or the baby till she's 16 years old.
Starting point is 01:14:55 It was like no fucking way. No way would you do that. And he goes, I have more money than God. Don't be too hard on me. And he left. That gave me goosebumps, dude. And he fucking left and I sat in that car. Everyone really crying about it.
Starting point is 01:15:09 I sat in the car and I cried for like, fuck, man. And I just was like, there's no way. But he didn't see the baby and I until she was about 16 years old. Wow. Yeah, he didn't. My heart just dropped. My mom told me that I was born into just a bunch
Starting point is 01:15:23 of Kentucky white trash witches. There was like seven of them and they were just like, all had gifts, they all were like spiritual. Yeah, you got from her. There's something hidden about it. There's a tie to your family and it's, forgive me for saying this, it's connected to war back in the time.
Starting point is 01:15:39 So when you say warrior, but it's connected to like American war. And I almost want to say in the Appalachians, your family was connected to that so there's there's hierarchy in the family unit and then your mother's side cast out over here. I'm getting that and it makes her nervous that you're gonna find this out because it's gonna kind of undermine who you thought you were not the witch part that's probably why you were pushed over here it's not what you think she was
Starting point is 01:16:03 hidden your mom was hidden so they didn't tell her the full truth even if they told her truth it was bits and pieces of not fully true stop finding out shit about my weird-ass fucking family yeah I'm so tired of it you have guides around you do you have a lot of people you have like wild lifetimes with very indigenous people so meaning you have that in your background as well so there's like lineage although you have a lot of people around you like from many many obviously it's many lifetimes because it wouldn't be in the most recent three that you've been that he manifested i
Starting point is 01:16:33 think it was elvis's birthday somebody emailed me the other night i was talking about this so i have like your sets like a couch that was behind me and it had a blue throw on it it was in my other studio they're all crying over here. It made me cry too. I am I'm sorry. No don't apologize. I just being vulnerable. It's yeah it's the the one way to get at me is to say something about my kids. Keithy came through so I was sitting and the two chairs were behind me and people started going look look what's happening behind you so I turn I can't see anything because the light's in my face and I don't see anything anything they're like there's the face there's the face
Starting point is 01:17:06 and I'm like I'm live streaming so I can hear them I mean see the thing and I'm like oh it's got to be Jim Morrison I'm screwing around I have a picture it's Keith's profile from his picture someone took a picture of me with it behind it and attached Keith's face beside it to show that like he manifests he manifests all the time so I get comfort in that although I'll tell you as a medium who's lived through this I still want my son here there is nothing you can tell a mother or a person who's lost somebody that makes him feel better so I don't even think I make people feel better when I tell them if I tell them I because I miss my son so you can tell me stuff doesn't matter I want my Keith here I think your soul
Starting point is 01:17:49 is always gonna ache for him but it has brought me so many lovely people who so many people reached out oh my god I was dying like so you were doing fighting you were doing playboy and you're also dealing with an abusive relationship yes an extremely abusive relationship. You told me one day we're going to laugh about him and it was so hard to even think about that because I thought the pain would never go away. I thought I would never get away from him. Came into my life. Good looking, dude. Good looking. Um, little rich boy.
Starting point is 01:18:18 He slowly started verbally abusing me and then he started putting his hands on me. The worst beatings I've ever had my whole life have not been in a ring. It was from that man. He chipped my teeth, grabbed me one time, even on my chest and squeezed so hard that it looked like my implant. I popped, I had to go to the doctor. It was completely black, left a hand print on me. I remember that. He threw me out of a car, did degrading stuff to me. Got me on the ground, was beating me up. Elijah had to jump on him when he was like five years old. My son had to see this man abuse me because I thought that that was normal because the way I grew up and it wasn't and that is not normal. And it was crazy because from
Starting point is 01:18:53 the outside looking in you would think that you guys had the perfect relationship of what was going on because everything was like you know you guys had a beautiful house, drove nice cars, you were in Playboy, you're fucking you know fighting in the ring, and then behind closed doors, this is what's really going on, you're living an absolute nightmare. I don't know how many times I had to go over there because he was doing something fucking weird man. This dude was so sick mentally that he would try to manipulate our friendship.
Starting point is 01:19:17 He said that I fucking sucked him off one time. He wanted to make me think that nobody was there for me and I had nobody on my side because that's what abusers do. It was sick, like there was no links that this man wouldn't go to, to try to control you. Isolate you from everybody around you. I've gotta get her out of the situation, but really, nobody could get you out of that situation
Starting point is 01:19:36 until you were ready to get out of that situation, because it is so hard to leave an abusive relationship. Well, we were also using a lot of drugs back then. Well, cocaine is a hell of a drug, right? We partook at a lot. Do you remember that one time I overdosed on glass at fucking Ben's house? Ben, the fucking paint hoffer?
Starting point is 01:19:53 Oh, we were just talking about him. My dad, we were just talking about him. We had started partying at such a young age that as we got older, the problem with Vegas is, and I mean, I love Vegas, I'll always have a love for it because that was our hometown, but going to the bar and having 10 drinks The problem with Vegas is, and I mean, I love Vegas, I'll always have a love for it because that was our hometown, but going to the bar and having 10 drinks
Starting point is 01:20:07 and doing a fucking eight ball of cocaine as normal behavior every night. It's like, that's how in Vegas, it's normalized. So we thought this was just a lifestyle. We didn't think that it was a habit, you know? Whereas I found out down the road later on that I had a fucking habit, you know? I don't know about you.
Starting point is 01:20:25 Well, yeah, I mean, people were drinking and partying in my family and they were popping pills. And it's like somebody was handing me a joint from a young age. And because of that, it caused me to have a problem. No, I thought it was normal. And then by the time I realized it wasn't, it was too late. I'm lucky to be alive.
Starting point is 01:20:41 We are lucky to be alive. Oh, for sure. Because that was rough. I can imagine my kids doing that We're just talking about that before the mics were going on and I was like I think that I think of how Bailey is 16 and how I had already been gone away from home for two years Yeah at her age and it's fucking wild and you know It's like I would never want her to have to go through what I went through, but it's just like a different
Starting point is 01:21:03 Generation. Yeah type thing that we just really experienced so much so early on. But I'm glad that we are where we are now because at least we found our way out of it. Some people don't find their way out of it. Can we circle back to your son that you just lost in 2023? Can we talk about that and what happened? If I don't get emotional, he wanted to go home. He said he wanted to be with God that we could happen. I was in Detroit. He was in LA and he called me. He said, I need to see you. And I said, well, I'll be there tomorrow. And I flew to LA. We spent the most beautiful time together. Just him and I talked and we ate and we laughed and we had a great time. So I left on a Friday. I said, make a promise that we would never go a day without speaking. I said, okay. You know, not thinking like that. I said, okay. I got home, I called him, I said,
Starting point is 01:21:50 I made it. He said, okay. Talk to you tomorrow. Saturday came, didn't talk to him. You know, still didn't think nothing of it. Sunday came, I was calling him, didn't talk to him. I panicked automatically. I said, God, this is not supposed to happen. We're supposed to talk every day. Something is wrong. Something is wrong. Calling his wife, which I never do. Where's Jason? I haven't heard from him.
Starting point is 01:22:09 And she said, well, he's okay. He's at home. He's just going through a lot. And I said, well, what is he going through? You know, we were talking, we were chatting. I said, I'm out the running Starbucks. I'll call you back. So about time I got my Starbucks,
Starting point is 01:22:21 got back in the car, called it back. And she was like, he's gone. I said, who's gone? She said, he's gone. I said, who's gone? She said, Jay's gone. I'm like, gone where? She said, he's gone. Just that fast. So he took his own life.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Oh my gosh, I am so sorry. Just that fast. So let's circle back to when you guys did get indicted. How much time did you get? How much time did your son get? And how much time did Terry get? I got 57 months. My son got 11 years.
Starting point is 01:22:49 One of my nephews got eight years. One got nine years. One got 11 and one got 13. Terry got 30 years. He came home on the CARES Act. So Demetrius is not home. You spoke a lot about being in prison, what you had to do, how you had a change of heart.
Starting point is 01:23:04 And in prison, it's pretty much like your lowest. That's your lowest. Like I said, stripped of everything. This is my time to reflect on how did I get here. I walked on that yard, I was in the middle of a sandstorm, and I looked up at this guy and I told God, please help me. Why am I here? Please change me.
Starting point is 01:23:22 Let me figure out why I'm here. I knew God, we called on God all the time. You know when you in the streets you probably God let me get through this Okay, got him about you know one more time You know, you got all this drugs you driving or you doing something. Come on God. Thank you God I'm blessing him for the wrong things, you know, and When I end up in prison I realized that I had to call on him much more than I ever had to call on him in my life. Once I was in prison, I was alone. No matter how many women were around me, I felt alone.
Starting point is 01:23:55 And I had to call on this man and get on my knees and call on him like I'd never called on him before. Remember that I'm saying this? There's some acknowledgement around a Frank that comes through. Just remember that I'm saying that. There's some significance. Usually Frank that comes through. Just remember that I'm saying that. There's some significance. Usually who they are, who they're with, they're somebody. But there is an acknowledgement there. You have some people who are not family who pop through. What up, homies?
Starting point is 01:24:12 It's probably some of the homies that have passed over. I think so. I see some symbology around like marriage, union, joy, happy for you. The way I would word this, if there's anybody who you feel has passed, who loved you a hell of a lot, and maybe could have seen a romantic future, but it wasn't the right time or the right place, just remember that I'm saying this.
Starting point is 01:24:32 Probably my ex Tony. I think that guy wants you to know how proud of you he is, and that he, when he comes across, acknowledges an awareness and existence in your relationship, and that you deserved more than he was able to give at that time. Anybody got a Frank? If anybody's got a Frank in the building.
Starting point is 01:24:50 Who's got a Frank? Who's Frank? Frank is one of my ex-boyfriends but he's still alive. He's still with us. Tony, so my ex, I was actually pregnant with his child. I lost his baby but we were young, young, young, young. But when I ran away from home, he was my boyfriend and like my protector and he actually always loved me and we just oh my gosh okay so
Starting point is 01:25:09 I know how it came into play oh my god it just hit me right now when Tony was dying my I was with Frankie and we went to his bedside and I could see Tony I knew he was already dead my ex had smoked fake weed and it sent him into cardiac arrest and he died oh my my god that can happen. He didn't die automatically but he went into a coma. He had a heart attack, went into a coma and I went to go see him and I remember I held his hand and when I was holding his hand I could see him standing looking at me in the corner of the room and I even looked at my my ex Frankie at the time and I was like he's dead. I was like he's not coming back. He's in the corner of
Starting point is 01:25:44 the room right now looking at us. I need you to tell the bully story because this is like something out of a fucking movie. It kind of took my breath away because I could visualize it. I'm such a visual person. So when I was in middle school, I was bullied relentlessly. There was an instance where there was this kid who used to beat me up pretty regularly. He and a number of his friends had watched me go into the school bathroom alone. And I didn't realize at the time, but I was washing my hands and my hands were wet. And I heard the door open from behind me. And when I looked, I realized he and about three other people came in. And as they rushed in, they blocked
Starting point is 01:26:11 the door. They were going to beat up our little Tyler. I know this little homo. You're really going to take me out? Like, come on, that's low hanging crew, baby. The bullies, they blocked the door. I'm so excited. I'm over here. I'm excited. And this weird instinctual thing came over me. I don't know if it was a defense mechanism or what, but I made eye contact with him and as I did, I just said, your aunt knows that you were crying with your dad last night and you need to leave me alone. And I just said it point blank and as I said this, his friends looked at him, he looked at them and I always say faster than you can say gay,
Starting point is 01:26:38 they were like out of that bathroom, it took off running because his friends didn't know what was going on, but his aunt had passed and what was crazy is the night before he had been crying in his dad's arms about that loss, and it was actually a very humbling moment. It scared the crap out of him, but it, for me, really helped both protect me, and years later he reached out and actually thanked me. No, because you taught him probably a lesson there that he was taking his anger and his hurt out
Starting point is 01:27:00 on somebody else. That's very true, yeah. That's amazing. It was really fascinating, and kind of an interesting moment of growth for both of us. Do you guys really think Drake has had a BBL? Yes, most definitely. Really? Definitely.
Starting point is 01:27:10 Them abs came out of nowhere. I didn't see them posted. I've never seen him with a shirt off. I've never looked though either. Yeah, he posted something with his shirt off. I feel like it was like right off the table. So you think he's had abs sketching? I think so.
Starting point is 01:27:19 I would get abs sketching. I'm not judging him at all. I would do it too. Yeah, well I've had it done. Really? Yeah. I know a lot of girls who've had it. My doctor does abs sketching, hella good, but I didn't get them at all. I do it too. Yeah. Well, I've had it done really really. I know a lot of girls about it My doctor does abs sketching. Hello good, but I didn't get a sketching. I love it I'll show you guys my stomach whenever I stand
Starting point is 01:27:33 Oh my god I remember this I knew there's one girl who went and got abs sketching in freaking Mexico and she came back looking like Superman that She was terrible. That's that's a bit much Pack is too much a four pack is cool. Just choo. Yeah, just that's what I did. I just did a little chiseling and that's it. Yeah, that's cute. Like a little cheese. I did this in 2015 though,
Starting point is 01:27:50 before everybody and their mom was doing it. So I didn't even know what the fuck my doctor was doing. He's like, I'm just gonna do it. You're like, yeah, just go ahead. Yeah, I'm just like, just make me look good, please. Right. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"]

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