Dumb Blonde - Fefe Dobson: The Woman I've Become

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Bunnie’s first-ever guest, the iconic Fefe Dobson, returns for a long-overdue reunion this week. Fefe talks about taking a break from music to save her sanity, touring with Avril, and how video games became her unexpected therapy. She opens up about keeping her private life with longtime partner Yelawolf lowkey, navigating fame, and the story behind naming an album after her mom’s stripper name. Fefe also shares why leather pants will always be her thing, and what she’s manifesting next - including new music and a movie.Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today is really special for me because the first guest that I ever had on the podcast is now sitting on my couch in the new studio in season nine, my dear friend, Miss Fifi Dobson. Oh, hey girl. Dude, I'm so happy you're here. Me too. It's very, very exciting to be here and to see the studio.

It's crazy, right? Yeah. I can't believe you and I have known each other almost a decade now. It's wild. It's crazy. It's wild. Yeah.

We've had a lot of fun times, a lot of parties, you know? Yeah. It's been an interesting ride, but through it all, you, I think one of the one things that I love so much about you is just how sweet you are. Thanks girl. Like I really wish people knew your heart and just like what a sweet woman you are. Thank you. Even when I was mad at you, you're always so sweet to me. I've

never really mad at you, but it was just like, you know, even when we've had disagreements, you're just always so sweet. And I just love, I love you. I truly do. So, you know, even when we've had disagreements, you're just always so sweet and I just love what I love you. I truly do. So, you know, I just, I don't know. I just, I love being here and your heart is so amazing as well. And you're a strong woman. So I love you. We're going to go to dinner and catch up too, but I want to know what's going on

with you, like catch me up. We're good. So I'm going to do this interview a little bit different. And I know that people who listen to me regularly are going to pick up on that. Um, since he was on my podcast nine years ago, almost, um, if you guys want to go back to that episode and find out about her background, her upbringing and everything we talked about in that podcast, that would be season one, episode one, I believe.

Right. Mimi. And, um, but this one will be like kind of as just catching up and just more of like an interview style. So tell me what's been going on with you. Well, I took some time off and was just writing for other people. And then, um, you know, going through life and love and all the craziness. And then I decided to get back in the studio and I released a record, not last September,

but this September before that called Emotion Sickness. And yeah, I just kind of took me time, took me time. I needed a break. I'd been working since I was 17. I'm about to be 40 at the end of the month. And you still look so young. I'm so jealous. I'm looking at you, I'm like,

she hasn't aged one fucking bit, dude. Thanks, girl. So yeah, I just needed some time to, I don't know, get things together. I mean, in this industry, mental health is a really big thing. And just- And taking a break is needed.

Taking a break is so needed. I'm trying to teach my husband that because he's go, go, go, go, go. You know how Jay is, he's always been like that. And even more so now, and I'm just like, you have to take time to like, just for you. You do. Or else it's just, it can cause wreak havoc.

Yeah, you do. I needed time with even my pets, you know, cause I was always on the road and I just, I had lost two pets in the last, like, I had a bunch. I have like a, like a coven of, of little fur girls. And I love that you said coven because I use that word all the time. That's what I call us. Oh really?

Yeah, exactly. So, um, yeah, I lost two of them and I was just like, man, I need to take time to spend time with them. Oh my God. I couldn't imagine this one is with me. He's been with me the past seven years and I couldn't imagine losing a fur baby like, no. It's the worst. We don't deserve animals.

Like their souls are so pure and so sweet. They're unconditional love. Like they are the epitome of unconditional love. They don't care if you're sleeping in a fucking box. They are riding with you. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty amazing, I mean, how much they love you. So losing them, I was like, man, it messed me up.

It messed me up. It was hard for Michael too, because, you know, our last one that just passed a few weeks ago, her name was Trailer Party. Oh, I remember her. Yeah, Trailer Party. She was the best. And I had never heard Michael cry so hard.

It was like really toward him. Oh my God. I couldn't imagine. And we just started a farm too. So now I have even more animals that I'm attached to. We have many donkeys, many donkeys and it's our whole, our farm is all minis. So we have many cows, many donkeys, many pigs and little minis. This literally happened all in one month, Phoebe. I don't know how I turned into a farmer. So I couldn't imagine just, you know, going through the pain of losing any of them because it's just so brutal.

But since you took your break, what's been bringing you like joy? This is weird. But like video games. I know that's crazy, but I've've been like I like Xbox. I do. Because you can disassociate. Is your mind always do you have like ADD and stuff like that? Well I just go like my mind goes like a mile a minute at night when I should be sleeping and I just can't shut it off. Yeah. So yeah you're right like when I'm playing

all I have to think about is press X, press A, and I don't have to think about like an email or work, which is helpful. So what's your favorite video game? I gotta ask, because you know all the gamers at home are like, I'm gonna go find Fifi. I know. I love Evil Dead.

Okay, so you like like the zombie games. Yeah, I like horror games. And which one did I just get the other day? Man, I can't think about it right now. I know Jay was playing like what Call of Duty. I don't even know. I think that's hard. He they're crazy. Yeah, like they have like teams. My favorite. They have like. I didn't know you were a gamer. Oh, I love to game.

I'm with you every day. How do I not know that? That in Call of Duty only, I don't know you were a gamer. I love to game. I'm with you every day. How does that in call of duty only, I don't like any other games, but that that was hard. It's big stimulation. I agree with you. It's the only time you can shut your brain off. Yeah, they literally have teams. And by the way, if you see me looking down at my phone, it's all these notes I have for you. So I'm not like over here texting or anything like that. They have like teams.

So my husband would like go down and play for hours and I would go sit next to him. And literally there's like six of them and they're like, I got your back and da da da da. And I'm just like, how do you guys, I would be so fucking over-simulated. There's no way. That one's intense though.

Yeah. It's like, people get pissed. Oh, like I've never cussed you. I've never cussed so many kids in my life. Yeah. It's the worst. I couldn't imagine. Grown adults want to throw those controllers.

Yes. Yes. That's funny. I couldn't imagine that. So you've been in the game for a minute. Do you feel like the same Fifi from Take Me Away? Or has life completely rewritten the script for you? I feel very different from that girl, you know?

At times it's like, I'll have moments where I listen to the old album and I'll like get emotional and I'm like, oh my gosh, like I'm still that person. But it's a crazy lie. Like, as you know, like when you're in this world, like things happen so quickly that you almost forget what happens. It's like memories kind of get jumbled and because it's a lot, you know, you're overstimulated even in the industry. It's like a lot of stuff. So I don't know if I still completely relate to her,

but I think I have a different love for her, you know? Like when you're younger self, you're like, man, I was too hard on you, or, you know, kind of vibe? You know? Like, you were pretty, stop being so hard on yourself. You know, that vibe. No, I get it 100%. I think I find myself a lot of the times romanticizing who I was.

And it's like, even though I went through so much shit, I was not a great human. I look back and I'm just like, sometimes I get sad because I'm just like, God, if I had just realized in that moment how cool everything was and how different shit was about to be. It's like you almost go back and you just kind of romanticize it,

no matter how bad it was. You're just like, you long for the little girl that didn't get to be. Yeah, you kind of wish that you could like tell her like everything's going to be cool and you got this. And, but again, that's part of our journey. That's who we are as adults. Yeah, absolutely.

Your music has always been unapologetically you. Was there ever a time you felt pressured to be someone else in the industry? Oh, all the time. I mean, I still do at times, you know, where you're like, should I be doing this kind of TikTok or should I be doing, you know what I mean? Like you still feel that pressure in just a different way.

Yeah. But I never felt comfortable, you know, if I didn't have like my leather jacket or, you know. Would you still have it on? You still have some sort of leather on. Or like eyeliner or like just something that was kind of like my. Signature.

Yeah, yeah, I always felt like I wasn't being myself if I tried something different. Where does your style stem from? Like if you could like have maybe like three role models. Yeah, probably like, I have a few, like Joan Jett, slash. Yes, I see it all as you're saying it. I'm like, yep, yep. When I get like, when I do glam,

like I always look at like old Kate Moss. She was fire. Even Kate Moss now. I know, she's amazing. How do you not age on cocaine? I don't understand that. I don't understand. I Even Kate Moss now. I know she's amazing. How do you not age on cocaine? I don't understand that. I don't understand. I love Kate Moss.

She is a fucking icon. I agree. She like, even when she's hammered, I'm like, how do I get that look? Yeah, literally. I just saw a video of her on TikTok outside of some place falling over and she did it so gracefully in a mini skirt and heels.

Didn't show anything. If that was me, I'd look like a freaking wombat. Just people trying to pick me up like I had a broken hip. It would have been fucked up. But I mean, she's literally almost 50 and still just slams amazing. No, it's crazy. It's crazy. Like I love the smudge liner.

And you all you've always done the smudge liner too. I have fun with it. I it's like I've been fortunate. The one thing that's been fortunate is like one of my friends always says, he's like, he's like, girl, you can look disheveled. That's your brand. I'm like, yeah, exactly. I love that, though, disheveled. I love that.

That's fucking hot, though. Yeah, he's bringing back the disheveled look. All right. So we're going to take it back to the early days for a little bit. The 2000s were such an iconic time in music. When you look back at that era, what's a memory that instantly makes you smile? I loved hanging out with the bands,

when girls could rock out with the dudes. And I loved, you know, seeing Avril and, and Simple Plan and I don't know, there was something about that time that was just like pure. Yeah. Yeah. And it was rock and roll. Yeah. Bring it the fuck back. I am tired of this mumble rap. I'm like, can we bring it back? Bring the band back. Right? I'm so ready for it. It just felt so, I don't know, raw and, you know, even for the girls at that time, it was like for the females, we were just like, fuck it. You know, we didn't, we didn't care.

We were in like Dickies and Converse and no makeup and- Still beautiful though. And holding your own next to these other, these men, you know? Yeah, it was, it was, I wanted to be on tour with the dudes because I wanted to like make them freaked out that I could rock or you know rock circles around and that was a big deal for me. I always love to like put me with the dudes man that meant a lot. Did you thrive on shock value as a youngster?

Yeah. I think I did too. Did you thrive on shock value as a youngster? Yeah. I think I did too. Yeah, yeah. Like I love to look at people like in the eye and make them uncomfortable. That was like when I was a kid. Yeah.

And just like to see when they would turn their heads cause they were uncomfortable with my stare. Yeah. That was fun. What's the one thing fans might not know about the making of Sunday Love or Joy? Well, Sunday Love was like my second album, off the first one, and like I was really wanted to make wanted to make an authentic rock record,

so we got like a bunch of amazing rockers like Nina Gordon from Ruka Salt and John Five, and just like awesome, rad artists. And it was weird making the album because I named it at Sunday Love because it was my mom's stripper name, it was her name. That's what she would go by. And she told me about years when I was younger and it stuck with me and I was like, well, I want to name this for her.

So I did. And she was just amazing that way. Like, I don't know. So I love that. So mom was a mom was a stripper. Yeah. And many other things. And we love that.

Shout out mom. Yeah. That's so fitting for this podcast. Yeah, she's a single mom and just like made it work. And I don't know. I just loved even like if she just danced at home, like just like being like, you know, just put on something. It was just grooving around.

Like I always looked up to her dancing. I thought it was really rad. I didn't know. I don't think you told us about mom being a dancer in the first podcast. So that was a little bit of information that you just revealed. If 2003, he could see you now, what would she say? Would it be shock or just not like, yeah, this is exactly where we're headed. If she said to me, if my young thief said to me, you could see, you know,

if 2003, he could be shocked, which we. I don't know actually. I feel like 2003 Fifi was wild. Yeah, she'd be like, wow, you wear dresses? Cause I never wore a dress. So I was like 24. Why was that? My mom used to put me in these like really foo foo dresses and they were itchy.

You remember that tool, like that itchy tool? What is it? I don't know what it was. Print? What is it called? I don't know, but I know I can see it. Yeah, in the 80s and it was so itchy and I hated them. And then I, I don't know, I got in the industry and like I was just like Dickie's girl and

I didn't want to like, I don't know, it was like kind of anti like dresses. And then one day I just decided I wanted to put on a dress. And my first dress that I put on, it was for this MTV gig. And it was the Versace dress with all the pins. I had the pins, it was like open on, it was like a skirt. Can we bring that up for her to see? What award show was it?

Let's bring it up. It was an MTV benefit. I think it was like a, yeah. They'll bring it up while you're talking. Yeah. And my hair was like super short and I wore a dress and that was the first time I wore a dress and I was like, I like feeling like this pretty girl. Yeah that image you kind of gave you like because you're like me we're like cute tomboy like you know so

whenever I do like there's no in between I either look homeless or I'm glam there's never a fucking in between right you know and so whenever I get dolled up too I'm like oh okay I feel girly and pretty Does that make you like when you put a dress on, do you feel like you're in touch with your feminine energy a little bit more? Yeah, I like on stage, I'm a little more aggressive in my leather pants and all that stuff. And then, you know, if I'm going out for a nice dinner,

I like dressing up. When you want to turn it on. It was like a royal blue. Okay. Did you find it memes? had like looking for it right now. Wasn't that one? No, no. Yeah, let me see. She said it wasn't that one. You know, oh, you look so cute, though.

Look at little baby thieves over there. I love this outfit. Are you kidding me? Oh my goodness. Listen, I still wear fucking leopard print. Don't play with me. Skirt on top of pants though. That's like the...

That is so 2000. Yeah. Oh, I love leopard. Leopard's life. It was like, um, it, uh, has super short hair. Maybe if you write short hair, I don't know. It's all right. If I can't find one.

But look at all the like, you're still true to your style though. Like it's definitely edgier now. You know? No, but that's a fun one to put up. I got so much. Look how cute you look. I got so much trouble for putting my middle fingers up. Really?

Yeah, back then it was like. But not for wearing a see-through outfit. Like don't put the middle fingers up, but just show your entire body. You look adorable though. I hate everything. No, Phoebe's always been. I love that you guys just bring this up on the screen.

That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love this. So we wanna see. You're a rock star in an industry that didn't always make space for black women in that genre. Did you feel that pushback? And if so, how did you navigate?

Starting so young, I really, I was kinda, I had blinders on, you know? I was more thinking about, is this boy gonna call me back? And like, you know, I was going through puberty and all, it's true, but I was going through all these things, you know, these changes. And I didn't even have my first kiss when I was like 17. Like, I know. So I was like, who was your first kiss?

Someone that was probably not supposed to be. Was it another famous person? Uh. Yeah, kind of. Uh, no, kind of. We don't gotta say names. I kind of remember it. I don't know. But yeah, I had a good team around me that like basically was protecting me from a lot of things. Which is awesome because a lot of kids back then didn't have that protection.

Yeah. I feel like a lot of kids were like exploited and had to like, like were forced to... No, I was fortunate. I had like a awesome team that was, that would deal with all the like, are you sure? And as I got older, I realized what was happening. And it was like, people would ask my manager, like,

are you really sure that this black girl can, you know, is gonna succeed at rock and roll? And it's kind of like, it just, now as an adult, I'm like, that makes no sense. Yeah, none of it. Like history, like it doesn't make any sense. But how special were you to be kind of like one of a kind? I mean, there wasn't very many other girls in the genre like you, right?

Yeah, it was a ballsy move. Yeah, you know. ballsy move. Yeah. You know? No, but how cool is that? Like you're just always, you made history pretty much. And I think that's really fucking cool. That's really cool. Yeah.

So let's talk about the soundtrack to life. Oh yes. Your music has always had this raw rebellious energy. What's been inspiring you lately when you write? I love love. The good, the bad, you know it's. It fuels me and that's cause you're a Pisces. I'm a Pisces Venus. I love love and I might be rough around the edges,

but I will go the deeper through hell we go. The more I'm going to love you. Yes, I'm like why? Even. Yes. I'm like, why? You know, growing up, like I loved tragic love films, like Romeo and Juliet and Sid and Nancy and all the thing. And so I'm like, yeah, I'm like, what's wrong with me? Does it? Have you ever done a past life regression? No, but I would love to.

I would love to know me too. I haven't done one. I'm scared. I'm like, I don't want to know, but I do want to know. Like, it's a weird morbid curiosity that I have, but I would love to know yours. I mean, it's interesting because I feel like maybe if we did know, we'd be able to like

kind of carve out things for this lifetime that we were supposed to learn maybe a little faster. Yes, I feel like you and Yela definitely did several lifetimes together. Yeah, we think so too. It's interesting. There's some people you can look in their eyes and not really see much of anything, but like I can look in his eyes and it's pretty intense and some with friends too.

And you can see like, oh yeah, connecting with you on like a completely different level. Yeah. Can we talk about you and Yela for a little bit? Yeah. Okay. How you guys have been together for how long now off and on? 15 years. Yeah. Yeah, it's been crazy. Can you tell us a little bit about that ride that journey? Hi, well, I Met him when I was 25. He was 30 and

I think he just got signed in our scope and our shady. And no one ever tells you when we met at the fantasy factory, Rob Dyrdek's spot and that's some lore right there. Yeah. Yeah. And no one ever tells you like being with being with another artist is a lot. It's a lot.

Because they're dealing with their own things and, you know, he's a man in the industry, a good-looking man, and I'm, you know, a woman that at this point at 25, I'm like, I'm ready for something serious, which was probably because I had started so young that I lived, you know, I'd lived this life in the industry. And he was just starting. So he was getting his wiggles out when we started dating. So we went through. I mean, 15 years in this industry is something we got to tip our hat to that

because not a lot of people can do that. Jay and I are just barely creeping up on a decade and you know, we've been through shit too, but it's like, you, you just hit the nail on the head because I just talked about this in a recent podcast where I said, if you are with an artist, you have to be a really strong human. Like for one, there's, you know, just forget about all the traveling and the separation and all that stuff. It's the emotional side of it.

There's a reason that you're an artist. So to have two artists in the same relationship has got to be so tricky to navigate because there's gotta be just a sea of emotions. Yeah, and working through like making sure that we're not competing with each other. That's a big one. Yeah, it's like being supportive. And you know, I've, you know, I've a side stage for many years to see a show and support

that way. And you kind of have to put your your own artist ego at the door, which is a big, big important thing to do. Have you ever felt like you guys are in competition at any time? Well, when we play NBA 2K20 before, at this point 25, yes. Some were sleeping on the couch. But we're very different, which was, we've probably had moments where it was like,

someone has a, you know, I think the only time it kind of feels that way is if we're not close, you know? And, but when we're close and we're in tune, we don't feel that way. But it's difficult, it's difficult, you know? The man loves you. I see him through all of it.

And every time I see him and you're not by his side, he's not himself. That means a lot. I mean, it's wild because I've been very private online and he's a little bit more open about when he is going through whatever and or if we're not together. And I've had to see a lot of things that you know, fans might be like, how can you get back with him? Or how can you do this? And, and the truth is, unless you're in it, you just don't know that. And the heart wants what the heart wants.

Yeah. You guys have something special. That's why I said I think you guys have done numerous lifetimes together because you guys just have this this moth to a flame type draw to each other. And that's undeniable, you know, and no matter what you guys go through, it's just you guys are always going to circle back to each other. Yeah. It seems like do you think you guys go through. It's just you guys are always gonna circle back to each other Yeah, it seems like do you think you guys will ever get married like again? Are you guys like um? Did you guys ever fully divorce? No, okay? Okay? All right? No, I couldn't do it. Oh

I mean, we'd always threaten to do it and be like oh, yeah And no one would do it, you know? Yeah. So that's just even more proof that you guys just literally are each other's persons. Yeah, yeah. And he always makes jokes too, because he's always like,

what am I gonna do, your name's on my face? Because you know, it's like feet, feet across. Aw. It was like, okay, yeah, true. Yeah, that's your dude, man. You guys are super cute. And I mean, you guys aesthetically are just a gorgeous couple.

Thank you. Yeah, for sure. How do you navigate through you and Jelly and like... Well, I was actually gonna ask you guys how you guys navigate so privately because Jay and I have literally poured our entire relationship online. I mean, we've since day one have just been like, here we are.

You know, and like, just kind of like, we got outed in the beginning. So we had to out ourselves, you know, and it was like, since then we don't really have anything that's a secret. And I admire how you guys navigate because now that we're in the public eye a little bit more to like how you guys are, it's like there are some things I want to for ourselves, you know, and I would love for you to give me any pointers on that. Because the way we navigate is we just fucking word vomit all over. I'm always I always say there's an annoying person that's online and then there's the one that's like very crafty and like only appears when they need to. And I'm

the annoying one that's online that tells everybody everything. And then Jay's the one that's like very crafty and like only appears when they need to. And I'm the annoying one that's online that tells everybody everything. And then Jay's the one who's like, yeah, you know, like in the background, you'll, you'll see him every day. Honestly, I've always been kind of like pretty private. I think because I don't know, I don't know why actually I probably could be a lot more open. I feel like you grew up in an era though, which was the same era that I grew up in. Yeah, we didn't even have online. Literally.

So it's like you're just old school and how you function, which I think is beautiful because people don't really get to see everything. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty good. And so I get like an email from your manager like, you gotta get on TikTok. We just need one TikTok.

I'll help you. I would love that actually. I need help. I will help you. Me and Mimi will help you. She made me get on TikTok too in 2020. I was like, I am not fucking shaking my ass on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not doing it.

Cause everybody was dancing and stuff. Yeah. Everyone was dancing. Yeah. And she's like, you don't have to do that. So it took me a long time to kind of find my niche on there, but really just talking to the camera and just being yourself is like what, people just want to know what you're fucking doing.

You could wake up and post your breakfast every day and it'll get millions of views. There's your pee-pee dobson. There's so many, my boy, Jordy Cray is obsessed with you. Like he's like the, what can we call him? He's like a TikTok. I don't want to call him a T-page cause I. Like he's like the, what can we call him? He's like a Tik Tok. Like I don't want to call him a T page cause I feel like he's more than a T page, but he,

he's an informational page. He's an informational outlet. And he absolutely, when he knew that you were coming on the podcast, he was just like, Oh my God. We might have to FaceTime after just so I can say, you can say hi to him. Yeah. But just let's say say I want to have a couple more questions about you and Yela. So you and Yela have been rocking together for years now.

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and then I'm going to come back and we're going to figure this shit the fuck out. And that's what Jay and I had to do. You know, we had to just say, OK, we're not going to of us isn't going to be a runner. Because I don't. Who's the runner you? Him? Oh, although I think it reversed. Yeah, for many years he was the runner and then it happened so many times that I was like, maybe I should run a little bit PTSD though you probably were like, let me run before he can run and hurt me. Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah.

100%. So we've, yeah, we've spent a lot of time apart. We've missed birthdays, we've missed really important times. So I don't- I think you guys are gonna figure it out. And as we get older, we calm down a lot too, you know? Yeah, him as a man, it's a good thing. Aw, good.

Yeah, I'm like. We love a docile yellow wolf. I like that he's calming down. It makes me happy. Aw, good. Are you guys ever gonna collab together? Again, again. Actually, just in the studio with him

and I'll try to hook, so. Yay. Yeah. I love when you guys collab. Yay. I think it you guys collab. Yay. I think it's beautiful. I think you guys get to really truly see you guys's love through music also. Well, the first time we ever tried,

we went to a studio, Tree Sounds in Atlanta, and we were just dating, and that did not end up well. We started, it's just, you can't play that. That's the wrong note. Like we were just getting at each other, but now we're like, we respect each other's process. Yeah. It's good. I love it, it's growth.

You guys are growing up in front of my eyeballs. So let's take it back to your music. What's a song from your catalog that still hits you right in the feelers every time you hear it? Well, Scar from Sunday Love. I wrote that with a good friend, Matthew Wilder, who actually is the lead singer of the,

what's that song, Break Your Stride, from the 80s? Ain't Nobody Gonna Break My Stride? Yeah, yeah. I love that. And he's an amazing writer. He wrote Reflection for Mulan, and he's just, he's just like when you go there and you work with him, he's like a guru, he's just like such a sweet man.

And so Scar was a special one because he literally just took my poetry or like just journal writing. And I was going through the situation with this guy and I would just read it to him and then he would take little bits from it and just put it into a song with me. And it was a really cool process. I think the art of writing music is so poetic.

Like, it's crazy how songs come about. And like, what is what would you say that your process is in the studio for writing music? Do you have like a ritual that you perform before? I definitely need wine. That's I need some wine. Yeah, it gets the emotions. Yeah, it gets the juices.

The creative juices going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite wine? I love some stairs. Like I love a good French wine. Is it white or red? It's white, but I like a red when I'm like trying to chill.

But I don't like red. There's nothing sexy about red wine. Your teeth get gray. Right. I can't do it. You smile like champagne. Like champagne. I do. I used to. I saw you know, I'm sober now. I didn't know it. You smile. You like champagne? You like champagne? I do. I used to, I saw,

you know, I'm sober now. I didn't know that. Yeah, girl. I've been sober. Thank you. I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine and then 2018 off alcohol. Wow. Yeah. But before I was a great time. You got to experience that. That's, that's hard. It's hard. It is. It is till it's not. And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey. But you got to really get real with yourself. All the shit that you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that. When you don't have anything in your system, that shit hits you full force. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking. Sometimes it gets. Here's the thing too, it's like it's everywhere. You know, when you're touring, when you know, free, free, free, you know? And then getting on stage, you're like, I need something. I need something before I... So that's a hard thing to kind of deal with. But that's your process and when you're ready to, sobriety isn't for everybody. I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself

and disrupting your everyday life with it, I think that you're- That's amazing, congrats. That's beautiful. I appreciate you. So what's another ritual besides wine in the studio? It's part of your creative process. A ritual.

I like melodies, like I'm a melody person. So more than a lyrical person, like Michael's amazing at lyrics. Like he can just spit lyrics like up top of his head. Yeah. Phenomenal. So good with it. And I'm more melody. So I just need to like at the top of his head. Yeah. So good with it. And I'm more melody. So I just need to like hear like some chords

or like a piano being played or some guitar chords. And then I kind of just hum something. And Jim Johnson taught me Holy ghosting, which I love, which is just get on the mic and let whatever's coming through you, just even if it's just mumbling and you have some melody going with that. And he'll listen to it and be like,

oh, did you hear that? You said that word there. And it's like you're doing it subconsciously, you know? Yeah. Kind of cool. That's pretty organic. I like that. You do strike me as a melodic person

because your music, like your songs, especially ones that have gotten huge, they have those melodies that stick in your mind. Yeah, I love melodies. Whereas like if you listen to Yellow Wolf's music, it's like his lyrics. You know, like he's got that one like lyric in the song that you just wanna scream at the top of your lungs.

So yeah, I can totally see that. Are there any artists right now that make you wanna collaborate with them? Like anybody that you could collaborate right now, like I would kill to work with them dude Amy Allen the sniffers, I think that's what their Band names are from Australia. I haven't heard him. I'll have to look him up. She's like a female front woman and She's amazing the snow Amy Allen and the snippers Amy L

I think Amy and there's an L and the sniffers. Yeah, can you bring that up for us? So we can hear some of this? Badass and her visuals are crazy. Is she rock music? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to let, we're going to check her out right now. Yeah. And they're from Australia. Yeah. You would never think that there would be a rock bands from Australia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like her new visuals for, uh, I think it's called that song, Jerkin.

It's crazy. Jerkin. Yeah. Jerkin. I listen to the sniffers, Jerkin. I am here for this girl. Yeah, no, it's it's sick. I love this. It's raunchy. She's beautiful. Yeah. She reminds me of somebody. Who is it? Who does she remind me of? I don't know.

Individuals are so awesome. Yeah. She's very like, veruga salt meets like Courtney Love type. Yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah. Definitely whole, like the whole days. It's just so like, it's so refreshing. I love seeing female front women. It Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely whole like the whole days. It's just so like it's so refreshing. I love seeing female front women.

It's like, yeah, me too. Always so good. Girl power always. I'm going to check out some more like a pause. I turn it off. I'm going to check out more of her music. Yeah, yeah. What's the one thing that people assume about you that's totally wrong?

Um. What's the one thing that people assume about you that's totally wrong? Back in the day, it would always be like, what is she on? Like that was it. Don't you love that? When people are like, accused of being on drugs, you're like, wait, what? That was just my eyes. I have hooded eyes. Like what? I'm just like that's seductive. Now I was already- Were you on drugs back then when people were asking?

No, that's what's funny because when I was dabbling in drugs, like that's when they were like, she looks great. And when I was, and it was like, she's on something, there's a problem here. And I'm like, what the fuck? You're like, what the fuck, man? I can't win. If you had to was like, she's on something, there's a problem here. And I'm like, fuck. You're like, what the fuck? I can't win.

If you had to create like an alter like ego, like what Beyonce has with Sasha, Sasha Fierce, what would your alter ego be like? Sunday love. Sunday love? Yeah, Sunday love. I love that you hold your mom so close to you like that. What does that represent for you?

What does she represent for you? You know, we've had an up, you know, our ups and downs and, but just, you know, she's a warrior to me. And like a single mother of four kids, like, made it work and looking beautiful. And I don't know, you know, we didn't have a lot of money, but things that I did really need, which was a karaoke machine, which is what got me started.

And, you know, we had food and we had shoes. They may have been 12 bucks, but they were, you know, yeah. It doesn't matter if something was $12 or, you know, like. Yeah, she made it work and she also had amazing, like, well for her, it wasn't vintage, but to me it was vintage. So I'd go through barrels of her clothes from the 60s and 70s and rock that at school. Do you have any of her pieces still?

I do. Aw. Yeah, I do. What do you have? Do you wear it on stage or is it a good luck charm for you? Some of them were like femme, the dresses. I have some of those pieces. And the cross I wear. Um, I

Never this is like one of the only gifts I got from her as an adult and I wear it all the time Like it's like a superstition superstition. Is that right superstition? Yeah Yeah, but I a yeah Sunday love would definitely be mm-hmm. I love that being the rock star that you are. What is the most rock star thing you've ever done? That you can say without getting in trouble. I'm trying to think. I mean, I've done the all nighters.

I've done the partying I've done. Have you ever fucked up a hotel room? Like just gone crazy and like smash the TV or throw it off the balcony? No, I was too scared. Honestly, I was scared. I don't blame you. I've seen Wolf and Bones and those guys

do a number on something. I've seen Wolf smash his own fucking monitors on stage. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that might be the most rock star thing I've Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that might be the most rock star thing I've done day too. Yeah. There you go. Yeah.

Come on. You're literally ringing a real life. Fucking just werewolf over there. Right? Yeah. You're the beast master. Beast master. Girl. So let's talk about what's next. Your fans are hungry for new music. What can you tell us about what's coming up next?

Well, I need to get back in the studio. I've been kind of dragging my feet. But now I'm starting to get inspired again. So I think, yeah, just getting back in the studio, writing some songs, doing this tour just getting back in the studio, writing some songs, doing this tour with Avril in the summer. So I really want it like at least a couple new tracks to present.

Is it a big tour that you guys are doing? Let's talk about the tour. Yeah, she's doing, she's been on her greatest hits tour and I was just on it before the new year. I did some dates and then they asked me back. So yeah, I'm excited. I love her so much. She's such an awesome, awesome woman.

Yeah, I haven't got to, I think I saw her at an award show. I haven't got to like actually meet her though. She'd love you. Yeah. I think she follows me on Instagram. Of course. Maybe I'll say hi.

Yeah, no, she's awesome. You'd love her. Good. Is she like girl power like how you are too? Yeah. Yeah, no, she's awesome. You'd love her. Good. Is she like girl power like how you are too? Yeah, and I think as she's getting older, she's like, you know, we start at the same time. We're both from Canada. And- It's familiar.

Yeah, and she's always been very supportive of me and I have her, so it's nice. Where can people buy tickets if they want to go? I think, do you know what dates you're doing yet or? I do, but I don't remember them. OK, no worries. I mean, that's like that made no sense. And I do, but I don't.

Just Google if you guys want to go. Yeah. It's on her flyer, like flyer. It's on her post flyer. Or 90s and 2000s babies over there. It's a her flyer, like flyer. It's on her post flyer. I'm so pamphlet. It's a pamphlet. On her social media and then online as well. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm excited. Maybe we'll come to a show if you guys are close. That would be so fun. That would be amazing. I wanna see you in your element. Cause all these years that I've known you, I've never got to see you in your element. Have I?

No, I don't think I have. Michael's coming too. Isn't he? I think he's gonna come for the Niagara Falls. Yay, awesome. All right, cool. Maybe we'll be able to come. I know daddy's touring a little bit this year,

but we have a lot of off time too, so we can definitely make that happen. You've evolved so much as an artist. What's something new that you're exploring in your sound this time around? Like when you do start writing, what do you think you'll be doing that's different? I think respecting that I'm in like, that I'll be 40.

I think like really coming from like, you know, the woman that I've become. That sounds like an album title. The woman that I've become. I love that. And like just not try to, I don't know, like I don't wanna go back in time, you know, I wanna move forward and I respect what I've done

in the past, but I do wanna move forward. And I would love to have a child too at some point. And I think that would inspire my writing as well. Yeah, we need a little feeps running around. Oh my God, your kid with your face would be so fucking cute, dude. I can see it now, I'm visual. You gotta manifest it.

Yeah, I really do. I mean, I'm, you know, life is, I don't have control over what goes on inside, right? I mean, as I'm getting older, so I'm like, I have to be, I'm ready, I think. Are you guys trying to have a baby? Indirectly? Yeah.

Yeah. Is Yela open to having a baby? Oh, he wants a child, yeah. Oh my God. It's gonna happen. You're putting it in the universe, so it's gonna happen. It'd be cool.

Being a woman. Oh, just trying to procreate these days. After all the shit we've done with our bodies is like, you know, it's hard. You know, I lived a very rough life. So I put my body through a lot of shit. I don't know about you, but yeah, everybody's bodies are different, but it's gonna happen for you guys. Thanks.

I'm really excited. All right. So I'm going to ask you some rapid fire questions and you have to answer fast. All right, I'll try. All right. Dream festival lineup, who's playing? Who's playing?

Dream festival lineup. Well, Amy, all the sniffers. Yeah. Oh, let's throw. I don't know, Mariah Carey in there. Wow. What a diverse festival. Would Mariah even step out into a festival with her heels on?

You know how bougie she is. But that would be hilarious. She'd be like me, a festival girl? Never. Yeah. You get one superpower. What are you choosing? Flying.

Aw, I love that. What is it about flying that you love? I don't know, I dream of it a lot. That I can fly out of situations, feel safe. I love that and just be above ground and watch everything. I love that. If you weren't doing music, what would you be doing? Does acting count?

Or is that still in the same? Yeah. No, I mean, I think acting's hard, dude. Not that being a musician isn't, but acting is another craft. Yeah, acting. Or working with dolphins. I don't know.

She's like both, fuck it. What's the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself? Weirdest rumor in the internet? Um, where does rumor learn that? Oh, uh, I don't know if I have heard any rumors. She's like, she's like, I stay so under the radar, bitches. You guys do not know. That's great. So that'd be great.

Let's get the rumor. The rumor mill flying. Yeah. Uh, one thing you can't go on tour without? My leather pants. What did you say? I'm so sorry. Leather pants. Leather pants. Oh yeah. No, I agree. Our leather jacket. And leather jacket. Yeah, totally. Combo. And we're going to close this out. What is something that you're working on that fans can get hyped for? Besides new music. And the tour with Avril. It's a lot.

There's a movie, I'm in a movie. Yay. And that's coming out, I think the premier is the end of the month. And yeah, it's kind of like a love letter to Scarborough, which is where I'm from. Yeah. What's your part in a love letter to Scarborough, which is where I'm from. Yeah. What's your part in the movie?

I'm a nurse that is in a relationship with a younger guy who ultimately gets put in a really tough situation and there's a lot of, yeah, violence and sadness, but at the end of the day, the movie is about hope and being resilient. So- Does it have a name? Morningside.

Morningside. Yeah, it's directed by my friend Ron Diaz from Toronto. And yeah, that's something different. How can people watch it? Can we watch it or will we just be like- I think it'll be in theaters actually. Oh yay! Yeah.

Look at you, my little actress. Yeah, look at you my little actress Yeah, I think it'll be in theaters. I don't know if it'll be in theaters Like in Nashville or like whatever but it'll be somewhere. Do you think it'll be on streaming ever? Yeah, I feel like everything goes to fuck everything goes to streaming like in like two weeks. Yeah. Yeah I don't even know what's brought to his own It was like we have to be seen in theater and then it was like five days later. It yeah. I don't even know why they have theaters anymore. I feel like it's just like an like a What do they call it? Like a god? What is the logic like?

nostalgic yes, the thing is though when you go you literally have everyone talking and we Michael and I went to go see this movie called presence the other day and We had it was so bad. It's supposed to be a horror movie and I went to go see this movie called Presence the other day. And we had, it was so bad. It's supposed to be a horror movie. And I'm a horror buff. I love horror films. And it was so bad. And like, I started busting out laughing

in like a middle of a really quiet scene. And Michael looks at me and goes, we gotta get out of here. Let's just go. Cause we were gonna both die laughing. And so we had our popcorn and we, and he had his jalapenos and his nachos with his cheese. What's your favorite horror movie?

Cause one of my girlfriends is a huge horror fan and she even reads like the horror books. Do you read those too? No. Okay. I don't, I don't know if that's something you'd be into, but I don't, well, it's, I forget the name of it. I'll have to go look.

I'll, I'll send it to y'all screenshot it to you, but she was telling me about how she's reading this book where this guy takes this lady's body, rips her arms off and her teeth out and then like has his way with her. And I'm like, why are you reading that? What the fuck about that turns you on? I kind of get why the teeth were taken out. I mean, I didn't even think that far ahead.

Yeah. Man. Yeah. Okay. So you're not that much of a whore, like into like the crazy stuff like that. My favorite horror movie is like the Exorcist. I love, you know, a good Freddy Krueger. I love Freddy Krueger, so I love the Remembering Home Street and then Exorcism of Emily Rose. I like, I like that kind of, more like a slashers.

I'm not a big slasher. Right, okay, so you like like that, like more like a slashers. I'm not a big slasher. Right, okay. So you like like that, like fantasy dreamy like horror. Yeah, I like, I like possession. Okay, so like spiritual. What about the exorcism was like fantasy. I've never watched it. I'm scared.

I get scared with like spiritual shit. I'm afraid something's gonna latch on to me. No, it's true. It's one of those things you have to be very yeah. Yeah careful with what you You watch like Michael he's less about that, but I just make sure that everything's protected I have people in my life that Cleanse the mirrors and do all the Very important you have to have a team. Are you into like witchcraft and stuff like that? I didn't know that.

So do you practice? I grew up with it around my home and my mom could read cards and she was very spiritually in tuned and could see things and sense things. So it was just natural that I- Gravitate. Yeah. And I think it's just natural that I... Gravitate. Yeah.

And I think it's sometimes people think, hear that word and they get scared and there's a lot of like beauty in that. And like, you know, there's always good and bad. Of course. And that's what I was just about to say is like, I don't think people realize, people think when they hear the word witchcraft,

they think about like how the Bible is always like, oh, it's so bad and blah, blah, blah. But really, if you think about it in the Bible, they talk about manifesting, they talk about like spell work and stuff like that. And lighting a candle, we like candles all the time. Communion is a ritual that people do in Christian churches and Catholic churches. And honestly, like, there are good people, there are bad people think people are going gonna use things for good or for darkness, for anything.

Yeah, absolutely. I have a lot of good, beautiful. People who protect you. Yeah, with beautiful light around them. And you're protected in the spiritual realm too. Yeah, now I got puppies up there, I got my dogs, I got extra protection. Yes.

I love my girls so much. Phoebe, thank you so much for coming back. Thank you for having me. I'm just so happy to be sitting here with you. Me too. I can see the growth in you too. Like, it's so sweet. Not that you needed growth or anything like that, but you know, I mean, 10 years is a huge thing. So, I can just see like how much, you know, life you've lived since we met. Thank you. I appreciate that

Yeah, tell people where they can find you Well, I guess I have a tiktok I'm gonna go follow it right now. Yeah And then I think my actual Instagram is Fifi dobson actually don't even know is my Instagram We'll look it up right now. Oh my gosh. Everyone's like, what the heck?

TikTok is Fifi Dobson too, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they're all following right now. That's me. Dude, you and Yella should make some TikToks. They'll go viral. Or even, dude, go on TikTok and sing one of your classic songs,

like to the, like, just like you getting ready. That would fucking go viral, dude. Like I need your help. I got you. I love when musicians are like stripped down like you said. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to do that thing that they,

what do they do at Starbucks where you make your significant person, like, you know, order you a drink that doesn't exist and they get so frustrated. Yes. Oh my God, he would get so mad too. He gets so, do it. It'd be so funny.. Yes, please. Oh my God, he would get so mad too. Oh, he gets so. Do it. It would be so funny.

Do it, please. Not at the cost of anything, an argument, but please, just do it. I think it would be so funny, dude. So funny. Yay. You guys, go follow Phoebe right now. She needs all the love on TikTok, please.

And I can't wait to see you just succeed and keep growing like you have been. I appreciate it. Yeah. Love you. Love you. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dun Blonde. I will see you guys next week.

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