Dumb Blonde - Gypsy Rose: Healing From Horror

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Bunnie is joined by Meme and Hailee this week for a deep dive on all this Gypsy Rose Blanchard. They discuss family secrets, the abuse and trauma Gypsy endured and the murder plot involving her mom Dee Dee. They talk about Gypsy's current life and skyrocket to social media fame, her relationship and life after prison.Gypsy Rose Blanchard: IG | TikTok Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comMeme: IGHailee: IGSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We are not in the new studio yet. I can't talk. We are not in the new studio yet, but we will be. So we are sitting at my dining room table and we are going to do, I guess we could kind of call this a deep dive on Gypsy Rose Blanchard. I have my striking young lads over here i thought you were talking about chachi i thought she was talking about chachi no ladettes i have my striking young ladettes here how you guys doing you're doing so i'm good

i'm hungry i'm stood you guys we ordered food forever ago and the time keeps going up and i feel we call this getting schlotzky'd because jay and i yeah i was gonna say i know no no me and jay do because there was one time that jay was so hungry and he has never ordered from schlotzky's ever right it's a real place oh it's a real place and he ordered a fucking sandwich from schlotzky's ever right it's a real place oh it's a real place and he ordered a fucking sandwich from schlotzky's and i'm telling you he ordered at like seven at 11 30 they were supposed to be bringing it the or no it was probably 11 at 11 they were supposed to be bringing it the fucking restaurant closed and he never got a sandwich got the sandwich so we call it getting schlotzky because they just keep moving the time up and up and oh

tragic after four hours i happen to be in new york you guys when i went back up to my hotel room when we were walking we're down by saint patrick's cathedral we ordered it and i wanted like um like a little dessert to get delivered and i was like by the time we walk all the way back to time square it should be delivered right his food got delivered and mine as the guy showed up canceled the fucking order no that is the worst i feel like they should fucking have to pay for that it was awful like that is like emotional distress that's what i i would like especially when you've been waiting like an hour or two and you want something you have like a taste in your mouth yeah you just wanted it it looks so

good yeah speaking of time square we just rang in the new year ring-a-ding-ding ring-a-ding-ding we fucking had our new year's kiss under the ball dropping in time square with bailey with us and ll cool j and ryan seacrest that shit was crazy crazy like so nuts yeah you guys did you guys full on tongue no no it was a little bit for the new york new year or the national new year it was in the airport you're pretend you guys are pretend gay yeah andy how does that make you feel because andy's real gay i always give them a hard time i'm like like, would you eat a muff? And they're always like, no. Would you eat a muff? Yeah, baby.

That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but it was just magical. It really was a very magical moment. The moment I looked up and saw the confetti coming down, I will be honest, everyone, I cried like a little bitch. I cried once. I didn't really cry then then but then on instagram is when i found out that the confetti was hand thrown and that's when i cried because yeah this one

panicked over here yeah well i mean you got people throwing shit on you from fucking you know you don't even know where it's coming from well some have writing on them too so which means they were like manhandled let's not freak her out no i know listen i had to really block it out oh my god i might be just erased all my notes so anyways um we ordered food a while ago and the time just keeps going up and up and up and just a minute ago it was at 6 55 then it went up to 7 10 then it went up to 7 15 tell them i'm gonna go right and now i always message 7 35 no i swear to god message the guy and be like what the fuck is happening nobody's preparing your order oh they haven't even finished they haven't even done the wrapping up

no should i call them mine doesn't do the wrapping up pause while we wait let's dive into the icon of the month right now like gypsy rose is really getting a lot of attention and i could listen to her talk forever i love her voice yeah you like how she yeah i love her voice they do say that um when girls have trauma at such a young age their voices get stuck like that and high-pitched i used to have a friend named katie who had a really high-pitched voice like that wow they almost still sound like little girls yeah it's like harboring that little part that you didn't get in your life yeah she has so much trauma dude it's unbelievable it's crazy weird how like kind of normal i feel like if she is right now with what she freaking went through

yeah for sure it's definitely a lot to take on and i was i started watching her lifetime episodes last night her dad's not a bad looking dude she must be on some type of like publicist run or her publicist got her like for sure in the rounds because there are so many interviews we've got lifetime we've got abc we've got nbc like all of the things are just coming for her and i don't know how she's able to keep that composure so well i'm wondering if someone was training her in jail before she got out because she is so well spoken um i think probably yeah working with somebody training her but also when you come from such traumatic shit like that you learn to have calm in the chaos so true very very true i really think you know and not to mention she spent a lot of time in hospitals.

She spent a lot of time around people who talked, you know, and she wasn't not all there. So like I was able to comprehend everything they were saying. Yeah. So I just it's crazy to me. She knows exactly what to say when she's asked. Watching that, I think it was ABC, I believe, did a interview with her. um i think it was abc i believe did a interview with her and they asked some really like interesting questions that i feel like they were trying to slip her up almost and get her to say something and her responses were so well like articulated that it really impressed me well she's had eight years to sit in there and think of what she's gonna say too you know and i mean i believe everything about her story.

I think even down to the grandpa molesting her, that was in the first two episodes of her thing last that dropped last night, the lifetime thing. And, you know, the grandpa denied it. And I'm just like, this little girl's been through so much. She's not little anymore, but this girl has been through so much that it's like why her grandpa molesting her is like the least of her worries and i'm not downplaying her trauma i'm just saying this girl's had her teeth ripped out of her head because of her mom like crazy shit you know so i don't think her saying hey my girl and the weirdest thing was did you guys watch any of the episodes yeah the grandpa whenever they said this to him was completely guilty he sat there and looked at him

and was like no i never touched her she used to try to touch me when she was four years old like ew bro why would you say that like even this is the grandpa of the mom so like that already tells me the mom was already sick in the fucking head well i think got it from someone yeah i think maybe he did it to the mom and then i then most definitely never know gypsy said she did try to talk to her grandpa about her mom about it and the mom like started like blaming herself and crying and all this stuff and gypsy said she just kind of shut down because of course her mom was making it all about her of course wasn't about her child's trauma you know it had to go it had to be about her so well let's dive in let's start talking about it yeah this story's crazy man i i really feel like she deserves everything she's getting right now talking about being a sensation

gypsy rose has come out of uh jail and overnight has gained 7.4 million followers on social media i think the first selfie was across all socials. Just Tik TOK. Okay. I was going to say, I think, yeah, I'm going to go look at her right now.

I've never seen somebody. I know. I've never seen somebody's Tik TOK grow this fast. They already have it verified. Yeah. Like it's crazy. Her team works hard. That's for sure.

They put in 8 million. She's at 8 million. So since last night, when I typed it in the 7.4, she's still 7.4 on instagram okay so since last night she has jumped to the eight million yeah because she has become more active on um tiktok also yeah and you know came out of the gates just selfied up looking amazing married like she's so cute right adorable she looks like a cute little possum don't you think like just the cutest like little just you want to just kiss her little face her

little eyes are adorable is she not and she's not and like i don't know why i guess i thought she was younger than she is but she's not she looks young her skin's gorgeous young how old is she 31 31 okay like that prison fucking skincare routine whatever she was doing amazing well they probably they're not wearing makeup and stuff too so i feel like that probably fucking helps so to start this off if you guys don't know who um she is or if you're living under a rock and have never heard this story before we're we're gonna go ahead and give you the full breakdown starting all the way back to her mother, Dee Dee. Good old Dee Dee. You want to get us started?

Dee Dee Blanchard was born Claudine Petrie in Louisiana near the Gulf Coast in 1967 and grew up with her family in nearby Golden Meadow. She was one of the five children of Claude Anthony Petrie Sr. That's Gramps, right? And Emma Louise Gisclair. And they are so Cajun, dude. Very Cajun. So Cajun.

Is that what they're called? Cajun? Right? Because they talk with that Louisiana Cajun accent. You know, you can't understand them. No, it's crazy.jun is actually french fun fact everyone um it's french for trash can we talk about your moment no no but they they have a very strong accent um and five kids so she's one of five did you say that yep one of five um relatives she was a middle child

yeah relatives recalled that she had a habit of stealing from her family which they speculated was a form of retaliation when things didn't go her way at some point early in her adult life she worked as a nurse's aide the The family expressed suspicion that in 1997, she might have killed her own mother by denying her food. So she starved her own mother. I also read that she was like slowly poisoning her too. Oh, so like sprinkling. Spare mom.

Yeah. Sorry, guys. I don't know what. Wet your whistle. I'm trying to. The fucking Uberber eats driver just messaged me said it's going to be about 25 minutes do we want them to wait we've already been waiting long to get anything else i was gonna say yeah it'll take tell him to throw in some free bread sticks free bread sticks um so how was she withholding food from her mom she was a nurse she was the nurse's aid for her probably

her responsibility to do such things as like feeding and taking care of her if she did it to anyone else too like i wonder if she was at aid for anyone else and would also didi had to be sick in the mind to do what she did to her daughter let alone to everyone else so i mean to put a woman like that in care of anyone is just disheartening. What's weirds me out is it says the family expressed suspicion that in 1997 she might have killed her own mother by denying her food. Yeah. Yet you guys were fine with her having a child and doing this to her. But you guys suspected that she killed somebody.

I feel like. What's wrong with this family? They had. This has to be within the genes. This can't, I get it. This is in the DNA. Motherfuckers.

Someone peed in your gene pool. Yeah, literally. No, this is, this is more than piss. This is somebody took a big old nine inch turd, nine inch turd fell from the butthole into these genes.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And that's J G E N E. S. Jeans. i don't even know how you just spelled that i i'm so hungry i fucking almost couldn't take it away well when she was 24 she became pregnant by rod blanchard then 17 hmm what Hmm. What? Sounds not legal. Wait. Yeah.

What? Yeah, they said that in the Lifetime thing. She was 24. He was 17. Well, she lied. She lied about her age to him. That's what he said. Wow. Oh, Rod.

And Rod's a good looking dude. He's not bad looking. I need a picture of Rod. Rod. Rod. I don't think I've seen him. So I first. Look on her social media.

They just put, she put up like a family picture together i was on her selfie that has 6.5 million likes per that's her dad yeah what that's what i said that's what i said i'm like how did i'm not understanding how him and fucking old deidre i wonder if they were in a relationship she was pretty yeah for like a year I wonder if they were in a relationship though or if it was like a one-night stand type of thing well he said that they got married after she got pregnant within like three months and after a year of them being together he told her like hey dude I don't want to be in this yeah they broke up before I'm not in love with you yeah and the mom always blamed her and said that

your dad left me because you weren't the son that he wanted no yeah that's fucked up to do to a child how do you say that to a child like that's so fucking weird that's awful but like give it up if you don't want the child give it up for adoption man like i don't know i feel like she kind of saw her ticket though oh for sure and a way to control him yeah for sure because she was very crazy about their relationship she wouldn't let them have a relationship together they named their daughter gypsy rose because dd liked the name gypsy and rod was a fan of guns and roses shortly before gypsy's uh birth in July of 1991, the couple separated when Rod realized he got married for the wrong reasons. He resisted Dee Dee's efforts to get him to return, and she took her newborn daughter to live with her family. Gypsy often went with her parents to Special Olympics events.

In 2001, when Dee Dee claimed Gy gypsy was eight she was actually 10 she was named the honorary queen of the crew of mid-city a child-oriented parade held during mardi gras in new orleans just so weird that she just wanted her kid to be younger than she was like she's still a child 10 years old is not grown that much older yeah it's so weird i feel like something happened to dd when she was really young and i know that we had kind of touched on that before but like she was trying to like hold on to that adolescence with everything that she had well i think the younger she was to the more perks she got it seemed like yeah she seems very conniving. Oh, yeah. I wonder if we know Gypsy's real age, if her birth certificate was actually destroyed. She forged her birth certificate.

Oh. Weird. That'll do it. Yeah. Gypsy seems to have stopped going to school after second grade, possibly even as early as kindergarten. Her mother homeschooled her after that, supposedly because her illnesses were so severe. Wow. and Dee Dee moved in with her father and stepmother. They later said that when preparing food for her stepmother, Dee Dee poisoned it with Roundup weed killer, leading to the stepmother's chronic illness during this period.

During that time, Dee Dee was arrested for several minor offenses, including writing bad checks. When the Petries began to regularly confront her about her treatment of Gypsy and express suspicion about her role in her step mother's health dd left with gypsy for the new orleans suburb of i think it's sladell how do i pronounce that sladell her stepmother's health returned to normal shortly after why didn't they test her blood but like why was she living with them like i was she getting afforded to go anywhere else like you're just that's awful but also if you're feeling sick eating this food why don't you stop eating this food but they even

said i even saw like when she wasn't around and she wasn't eating their food she would feel better so i'm just like how do you not catch on to that i mean you have to let me eat something and get sick one time from somebody. I'm never eating from them again. She doesn't. I won't eat from anybody anyways. But that's just insane to me that... God, she just kept doing it.

Her mom, then her. They're like, hey, are you poisoning her? You know, and like letting her fucking lie her way out of it and then continuing to let her cook for this woman. I don't feel like i don't i don't know they had to be sick in their own heads because there's no way that you just yeah maybe oblivious maybe that's what it is just like no they're not oblivious they knew it was going on oblivious would mean that they weren't paying attention or that they didn't know what

was going on they knew what was going on that's awful yeah that's exactly let her leave with this child yeah in slidell slidell in slidell she and gypsy lived in public housing they paid their bills with rod's child support payments and public assistance dd had been granted due to her daughter's supposed medical conditions so i'm wondering she must have been making these up when gypsy was young because it says that she left while she was a newborn and she's over here getting public assistance already while she's a newborn they saw various specialists mostly at the how would you guys say that tulane tulane mostly at the tulane Medical Center and the Children's Hospital of New Orleans. Seeking treatment for the illness,

Dee Dee claims Gypsy had, which now includes hearing and vision problems, with a muscle biopsy, found no signs of the muscular dystrophy. Dystrophy. Dystrophy. Dystrophy. I can't see, I'm hungry. Same. dystopian found no signs of muscular dystrophy dd insisted gypsy had she had successfully

inscured treatment for gypsy's other issues after she told doctors gypsy had seizures every few months they prescribed anti-seizure medication don't you have to have proof for seizures how so back then like i'm confused back then i don't think they have the technology that we have now like they don't they didn't do sleep so i was gonna say when when um kayla had hers didn't she have to have like you have to do sleep well there's a thing with seizures and you know know, this is what I've been told. I'm not 100% positive. So anybody out there, if you have seizures, you know, please take this with a grain of salt.

But one of the doctors did tell Kayla that in order to be diagnosed with a seizure problem, you have to have more than one. Correct. I do remember her saying that is like you can't be considered epileptic unless you have more than one seizure yes which is scary yeah because you know like let's just risk it oh my gosh so i don't know how if they were like faking it if she wasn't making gypsy fake them or what it says that she had several surgeries were performed on her during this time. Dee Dee regularly took Gypsy to the emergency room. For minor ailments. What if she maybe did?

Like, what if, I mean, how do we? Gypsy had said in the special, she said that she would do anything for her mom because she just wanted to feel loved. And if she didn't feel loved, if she didn't do what her mom wanted her to do her mom would make sure that she didn't feel loved and would like love on the cat and like pet the cat and like love on the cat and then look at her you know like as a newborn she doesn't know to do that

so she's like what if she actually had problems as a newborn like for real but then dd saw that she could get money from that and she just kept it going she did like maybe that's she had an eye problem she had an extremely lazy eye and I think that's what she noticed in the beginning they said something about vision issues that and uh I heard she had like breathing problems or something like that and that's where the like the sleep apnea I don't believe the the breathing problems I think the mom was causing that, but the eye for sure, something, you know, she was born with a lazy eye. Yeah. And you know, I feel like in the nineties too, there also wasn't a whole lot of testing, like you're saying for seizures and things like that. So at that time she could have almost made up wherever. And especially since you hear so often,

she definitely doctor shopped. And it even says it in here, like what we were just discussing that if she didn't get her answer from one doctor it did not stop her she was going to walk-in clinics she was going to different doctors and different specialists in different hospitals yeah and back then we didn't have the technology we have now exactly all the hospitals talk to each other yeah so you could have just shopped anyone in this time and that because people back in the day whenever i used to pop pills, they would doctor shop to get multiple pills before laws were passed. Oh yeah.

Dude, I used to make so much money selling Laura tabs, dude. I'd go to one doctor, get a script for like 120, go to another doctor and I would sell them for four or $5 a pill. Wow. Sometimes $6 a pill. That's crazy. Yeah. It was nuts.

That was back in the old days. Damn. Where did you leave off? I'm okay after hurricane katrina devastated the area in august 2005 dd and gypsy left their ruined apartment for a shelter in covington set up for people with special needs dd said gypsy's medical records including her birth certificate had been destroyed in the flooding. Convenient. A doctor there from the Ozarks suggested they relocate her to Missouri. And the next month, they were airlifted there. That's where I was born.

So they're skipping ahead a lot in this article right here. So her dad was trying really hard to be a part of her life and her dad had already remarried and i love her stepmom her stepmom's a dope bitch you can just tell in her demeanor the way she carries herself like love everything about her i was just like okay you know like this is a good woman and she the lady her stepmother was talking like hey we have tried to have a relationship with her we during this time uh dd had taken gypsy and completely hidden her they didn't know where they thought they died in the hurricane katrina did the dad get with this stepmom shortly after since i think since she was five months old

or something like that so immediately he pretty much divorced her yeah and goes yeah and is with the same person and she's a good looking woman yeah you can tell yeah because it was so crazy because I was like he's good looking I was like that's her dad because I didn't expect that and I was like not that I think he's hot or anything but I was just like for Deedee like it just was a mismatched pair yeah and then I saw the stepmom and I was like okay that'll do it you know like I understand yeah like that that's more his speed um so yeah they were trying to do that and then this is the time when her mom started discovering that she could get like money and stuff yeah being sick yep and then that's how she had them airlifted was

this whole like charity yeah so they're saying that she's special needs at this point so like at this is this turning she has cancer do have they already gone to cancer i feel like we're on like the verge of cancer no this is yeah this is right where she's saying she has cancer her head was already shaved so i think she was already telling people she had leukemia is what she was telling people um but yeah yeah she regularly shaved her head at first dd and gypsy lived in a rented home in aurora in southwestern missouri during their time there gypsy was honored by the ole foundation which advocates for the rights of feeding tube recipients this made me so sick to my stomach when i saw it yeah oh it's awful yeah just so crazy as its 2007 child of the year in 2008 habitat for

humanity built them a small home with a wheelchair ramp and hot tub as part of the larger product project sorry as part of a larger project on the north side of springfield to the east and the two moved there the story of a single mother with a severely disabled daughter forced to flee katrina's devastation received considerable local media attention and the community often pitched in to help the woman who now went by claudine blanchard or however they i forgot i forgot how they pronounce it it was like blanchard or something like that she had changed her name dd had changed her name and whom they knew is Dee Dee. Um, so yeah, this time she's already telling people that she,

this is now her like fresh start. No, there's like no social media, but pre Katrina. So Katrina is like her turning point and blotch hard. It's now, it is, you know,

starting fresh. So no one's going to question her daughter no yeah at all especially if you're regularly regularly shaving her head yeah you're not gonna be like oh that's fake and you know i know her teeth were coming out she had her fucking saliva glands removed did you know that no had her own daughter's saliva glands removed so which made me think like can she like does does her mouth, I was going to, I was going to,

but I switched it up because I didn't want to be disrespectful. But I, I, does her mouth get moist? Is the question because of her salivary glands are gone. How does she wet her whistle? Yeah. You know,

I mean, eating has to be an issue. Yeah. Most definitely. I'm also wondering wondering and this is horrific that in you almost won't think that gypsy believed it if you're raised your entire life being told the sky is red you have no idea it's blue you know what i mean she didn't believe it because she even says it in the interview she knew that she was okay because like when her mom wasn't around, she would eat with everybody else.

She would go jump on trampolines. But that's what I want to know. At what point did she have that like light switch? Her entire life. She knew that she wasn't wrong. She said that. I feel like maybe when she was younger, but I think maybe when she got older.

I'm wondering like consciousness of it. Real young. She had no idea. That's wild. Like probably like toddler um what was that like five you start realizing hey mom i can get up and walk why am i in this wheelchair but she said she did it to just like she wanted the love the love from her mom yeah that's which makes me so sad because in these interviews you can see that she wants to cry talking about her mom and And that's why I really actually love Gypsy now, because you can see how much remorse she has.

She still defends her mom a lot. Like when asked about her mom in that interview that I watched, she still has her mom's back in a lot of this, which I mean, you have to be trauma bonded to someone like this. For sure. Soul tie of some sort. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Rough. If anybody wants to know our food is not on the way just want to let you guys know that but we do have a fucking uber eats guy there so many people who met gypsy were charmed by her five foot height nearly toothless mouth large glasses and high childlike voice reinforced the perception that she had all the problems her mother claimed she did dd regularly shaved gypsy's head to mimic the hairless appearance of a chemotherapy patient allegedly telling gypsy that since her medication would eventually cause her hair to fall out it was best to shave it in advance gypsy often wore

wigs or hats to cover her baldness when they left the house dd took an oxygen tank and feeding tube with them gypsy was fed the children's liquid nutrition supplement pediatriz well into her 20s bro that can't be good for men like it's very shocking that gypsy is so well-rounded and rounded and like normal having the fact that you lived off of pediatrics into your 20s that's not that long ago healthy no that's no wonder she wanted to kill her mom i mean she thought i saw uh she said that her first day in prison she was happy she felt free she said she walked out into the courtyard and fucking was so happy because it's like a breath of fresh air it was a breath of fresh air like that's sad you're in prison and your first thought is holy shit i'm free yeah i honestly believe a lot of people commit crimes and stuff to go to prison yeah like

to be free like to get out of situations yeah yeah absolutely yeah wow i agree with that too dd used physical abuse to control gypsy oh she was beating her too physical and emotional yeah uh always holding her hand in the presence of others when gypsy said something that suggested she was not genuinely sick or seemed beyond her purported mental capacity gypsy recalls that her mother would squeeze her hand very tightly when the two were alone dd struck her with an open hand or a coat hanger sounds like fucking mommy dearest that's fucking wild yeah medical interventions continued dd had some of gypsy's saliva glands treated with botox then extracted altogether to control her purported drooling gypsy later claimed her mother

induced drooling by using a topical anesthetic to numb her gums before doctor visits the lack of salivary glands coupled with side effects of the anti-seizure medication she was given caused gypsy's already few teeth to decay to the point that the majority of her front teeth were extracted and replaced by a bridge tubes were implanted in her ears to control her myriad purported ear infections what god botox in your saliva glands absolutely wild ow and have those tubes implanted in her ears is crazy because as a child i suffered from severe earaches and they wanted to put tubes in my ears and my parents said no but like to fake having severe ear infections like

how did she do that she probably had to cause trauma to gypsy's ears well i mean if she's hitting her i'm wondering if that like are putting something in there to make the she had to have claimed oh how sad yeah that's right and there's probably stuff we don't even know about like babies can that could have been one of it's hard to tell what's true or not because like my kids have multiple ear infections a year you know it could have been teething it could have been like all these different things that could be causing that that yeah but how old was she here she really forced those things like if i wanted to my kid had two ear infections this past year i could be like put tubes in his ears but like in

reality if there's no medical records being shared yeah she could have literally gone to someone and be like she's had five ear infections put tubes in yeah and in reality it could have been like one right that's so wild god i couldn't imagine being this fucking weird, dude. Fernando Flasterstein. We saw him on these interviews. The interview last night. A pediatrician neurologist who saw Gypsy in Springfield became suspicious of her muscular dystrophy diagnosis. He ordered MRIs and blood tests, which found no abnormalities. I don't see any reason why she doesn't walk, he told DeeDee on a follow-up visit

after seeing Gypsy stand and support her own weight. Flasterstein noted that DeeDee was not a good historian. After contacting Gypsy's doctors in New Orleans, he learned that Gypsy's original muscle biopsy had come back negative, undermining DeeDee's reported diagnosis of muscular dystrophy as well as her claim that all Gypsy's records had been destroyed by flooding. He suspected the possibility of Munchausen syndrome by proxy. DD contrived to gain access to Flasterstein's notes and subsequently stopped taking Gypsy to see him. Dang.

They were on to her. They were on to her, bro. Yeah. I just don't understand like he said in the interview last night because they were like well if you suspected this why did you not do anything about it he said you can't call cps without having proof and it's like how much more fucking proof did you need what other proof do you need to literally be like yo she's had multiple surgeries her head is shaved she's in a wheelchair salivary glands removed teeth out of her head like what the hell yeah like just she i i really feel like these doctors failed her they dropped

the ball wholeheartedly so bad and for them to even go on the show and still defend their actions is crazy like somebody needs to be like i'm sorry i'm sorry that i didn't want to get involved yes then i could respect it a lot more and like now if had this happened nowadays they will call cps literally for anything i watch call cps on people all the time yeah it's crazy like you didn't have some like that's just really sad i feel like the system failed gypsy in this no for sure supporting dd to social services social services he said other doctors had told him to treat the pair with golden gloves and doubted the authorities would believe him anyways in 2009 an anonymous caller told the

police about dd's use of different names and birth dates for herself and her daughter and suggested gypsy was in better health than claimed officers who performed the resolving wellness check accepted dd's explanation that she used the misinformation to make it harder for her abusive ex-husband to find her and gypsy without talking to rod and reported that gypsy seemed genuinely mentally disabled the file was closed so those people also should say sorry they also failed her everyone failed god yeah it reminds me of that one story i forget who it was but the kid like kept going into the system was getting beat by his parent gabriel hernandez is that it yeah that

was so sad yeah and then the little boy they kept they kept him locked in like a cabinet yeah why do you have kids to do this to them i feel like the people who don't deserve children have them yes it's just crazy dd seems to have at least once forged a copy of gypsy's birth certificate changing her birth date to 1995 to claims that she was still a teenager gypsy said in a later interview that for 14 years she was not sure of her real age how sad god she sometimes also claimed that the original had been destroyed during the post katrina flooding dd did keep another copy with gypsy's real birthday. Gypsy recalls seeing it during one of their hospital visits

and becoming confused. Dee Dee told her it was a misprint. Since 2001, Gypsy had attended science fiction and fantasy conventions, sometimes in costumes, since she could blend in to their diverse and inclusive communities in her wheelchair. At a 2011 event, she made what may have been an escape attempt that ended when her mother found her in a hotel room with a man she had met online again dd produced the paperwork giving gypsy's false

younger birth date and threatened to inform the police gypsy recalls that afterward dd smashed her computer with a hammer and threatened to do the same to Gypsy recalls that afterward, Dee Dee smashed her computer with a hammer and threatened to do the same to her fingers if she ever tried to escape again. She also kept Gypsy leashed and handcuffed to her bed for two weeks. Dee Dee later told Gypsy that she had filed paperwork with the police

claiming that Gypsy was mentally incompetent, leading Gypsy to believe that if she attempted to go to the police for help they would not believe her that sucks but it also reminds me of like didn't she lie to gypsy's dad about her age too yeah so it's like no fun when the rabbits got the gun right yeah that's so scary uh sometime around 2012 so like we're let me just like timeline this so now we're in like 2012 like i was a junior in high school and this was going on and like that's crazy i was 22 okay sometimes you were 22 when i was a junior in high school let me think no no 32 32 yeah 32 i don't even know

she said i don't even know i was like i know it's fun to the twos um gypsy who continued to use the internet after her mother had gone to bed to avoid her tightened supervision made contact online with nicholas gojan gojan gojan a man around her age from big bend wisconsin whom she said she had met on a christian singles website christian mingle he had a criminal record for indecent exposure in a history of mental illness sometimes reported as dissociative identity disorder he had also been autistic so we're gonna hop back into this in 2014 gypsy confided to 23 year old neighbor alia woodmancy who unaware that gypsy was closer to her own age considered herself a big sister she confided that she and go to jean how do i pronounce that go jean jean go jean she that she and go jean had discussed eloping and eve had even

chosen names for potential children gypsy who had five separate facebook accounts and go jean flirted online their exchange is sometimes using BDSM elements, which Gypsy has since claimed was more what he was interested in. Woodman C. tried to talk her out of it, still thinking Gypsy was too young and possibly being taken advantage of by a sexual predator. She considered Gypsy's plans just fantasies and dreams and nothing like this would ever really take place.

Despite Dee Dee's efforts to prevent her from using the internet, which went on as far as destroying her daughter's phone and laptop gypsy maintained contact with woodman c who saved printouts of her posts until 2014 whoa yeah that's crazy so in 2014 we've already got like super smartphones yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's FaceTime even at this point. Like you're fully technologically aware. But here's the thing. She's 24. Like she's about to start bucking. You know, like she's like, I'm ready to rock.

I want to get the fuck out of here. I want to have kids with this dude. Like poor baby had to have like an online fantasy imagine what he told her i would love to see the transcripts between them but imagine what he's like opening her eyes to that she had no idea about yeah and then not only that your first sexual like encounters with this person is to talk like in a bdsm way like she doesn't know that's good it's normal or something god insane the next year gypsy arranged and also paid for godman to meet her mother in springfield her plan was for him to just casually bump into her while she and dd were at the movie theater both

of them in costume and apparently strike up a relationship that way and then later for her to introduce him to her mother as soon as they did meet in person for the first time he said gypsy led him to the bathroom where the two of them had sex so she obviously wasn't a virgin which would corroborate her um stories about her grandfather. Unless there was some other dick she got somewhere along the line. What do you mean she wasn't a virgin? If she's just taking this dude in the bathroom and they're banging and she's a virgin. Like, I seriously doubt that.

That's, I mean, she. Well, that's why we need Gypsy on the podcast. I know. Gypsy, come on they said that the two had continued their internet interactions and began developing their plan to off you ready dd murder murder go john returned to springfield in june of 2015 arriving while gypsy and her mother were away at a doctor's appointment after they had returned home and Dee Dee had gone to sleep he went to the Blanchard house Gypsy let him in and allegedly gave him duct tape gloves and a knife with the understanding

that he would use it to murder Dee Dee he's kind of on the spectrum isn't he or no yeah he's autistic yeah he is so so i almost feel like do you guys feel like this because i kind of feel like she may have manipulated him into getting her out of the situation she was with her knowing that she kind of had that control over him she's fucking smart you guys yeah you know and she has proven that time and time again this gypsy is really smart and to me i feel like maybe she was like this is my ticket out maybe i feel like maybe she told him everything and he maybe was like you gotta kill her yeah the only way out is to kill her yeah because i feel like because she loved her so much she might not have come up with the idea

i mean yeah that is true i will take that into consideration because she still to this day so like if she yeah she does like withhold like a standing with her i mean we'll probably never know no truly of course not but i feel like it might have been him because he knew that she the mom or that dd was probably going to get in the way of their relationship. True. So, yeah, I don't know. I think that maybe even if she did,

you know, manipulate him, I think it just came naturally to her because you can't deny DNA, you know? So she has a part of her mom in her and I'm sure she is very good at manipulating, you know, it just matters if she's able to recognize that now. True.

Like, you know, without even trying, without even being conscious that she's doing it. Because that's so ingrained in her. Yeah. Yeah. Which maybe her mom also had no, like, was the same way. Yeah. It goes back to whatever happened to Deedee when she was younger. Yeah.

And her grandpa or her dad doesn't seem fucking like a stand up. So I want to know his childhood, too. You know, I feel like you preach this often, Bunny. And it's very interesting to me because I never thought of it in this way. It's like our parents are literally like surviving with trauma. They never healed. Yeah. And it was our responsibility to then heal

yeah break that be the cycle breakers and all this and you see so often where those cycles are not broken and i feel like this is a perfect example of that that it took until gypsy to be that that cycle breaker yeah i understand that gypsy hid in the bathroom and covered her ears so that she would not have to hear her mother screaming nicholas then stabbed dd 17 times in her back while she was asleep that's overkill that's somebody who hates you that is rage killing yeah afterward the two had sex in gypsy's room and took four thousand dollars in cash that dd had been keeping in the house mostly from rod's child support checks they fled to a motel outside of springfield where they stayed a few days while planning their next move during that time they were seen on security cameras at

several stores gypsy said at the point gypsy said at that point she believed the two had gotten away with their crime they mailed the murder weapon back to nicholas's home in wisconsin to avoid being caught with it why not throw it in the fucking river worst way to get rid of like time stamp myself yeah um and then took a bus there several witnesses who saw the pair on their way to the greyhound station noted that Gypsy wore a blonde wig and walked unassisted. Isn't it crazy that Gypsy's mom, Didi, was accused or suspected of killing her mom and Gypsy did the same thing? Yeah. Manifestation.

She went through with it, though. Yeah. But no, but she didn't kill yeah yeah technically i mean nicholas technically did it she just happened to be a little bit smarter to not do it herself yeah you know dd wasn't there dd wasn't able to like do we know for sure that she didn't the only thing that makes me question the entire thing is her having sex with him right after the mom was murdered like that's kind of like but again i feel like we're in this spot of which she was not she didn't know any different

so like in reality he could have had that like i mean wouldn't you be traumatized after knowing she was just stabbed in the same 17 times like you were so scared you had to cover your ears, but then you're not scared to where you can have sex in the next room? Yeah. Celebration sex is weird. Well, also, it's, like, highly erotic to, like, murder somebody. Well, if he's into BDSM, it probably turns him on. So, like, he probably then in turn was like and they're into

all that fantasy shit she learned how to read from harry potter you know so yeah it could have been like some like weird spell you never know some weird thing seance yeah maybe they had sex with her blood all over her body okay i mean you never know you don't listen i mean did he but that's the thing though he had to have been covered in blood did you go to shower after he clearly probably didn't so they probably did have sex in her blood because it's 17 times you guys like imagine that mess yeah yeah they boned in her blood yeah well like i said did they know for sure she didn't do anything i think that comes into the trial point of all of this is like we're gonna we're gonna leave off moving on because this is deep yeah after seeing concerning

facebook statuses posted from dd's account the blanchard's friends suspected something was amiss when phone calls went unanswered several friends and neighbors went to the house while the friends and neighbors knew that the two often left on medical trips unannounced they saw dd's modified car still in the driveway making an unannounced trip unlikely protective film on the windows made it hard to see inside in the low light no one answered the door so the friends called 9-1-1 when the police arrived they had to wait for a search warrant to be issued before they could enter but they allowed one of the neighbors present to climb through a window where he saw that inside of the house was largely undisturbed

and that gypsy's wheelchairs were all still present oh i want to i'm googling gypsy's facebook post because what did she post that was alarming well no dd she posted from dd's facebook saying what because remember she doesn't have a public facebook at this point but i wonder what they were saying for people to think that was harming when the warrant was issued police entered the house and found dd's body a gofundme account was set up to pay for her funeral expenses and possibly gypsies all who knew the blanchards feared the worst even if gypsy had not been harmed they believed she would be helpless without her wheelchair medications and support equipment like the oxygen tanks and feeding tube so to answer you guys's question the posts that were on dd's um facebook where the bitch is dead well that that'll do it okay but that's still up

right has anyone okay so like when all this like when we were talking about gypsy and like she got convicted and stuff i went on a deep dive onto facebook and i'm almost positive it stayed up for a good amount of time before it was deleted and that you could go on to dd's let me see because i did go on to dd's facebook i don't get through it did you want to be caught then that's what i'm saying but do you think it was like she might have had just a tiny bit more to do with this than what she's letting or because how she would have had to have given him access to her mom's facebook true you know and to know that he's posting that like they're laughing about it you know well i'm just like like where is her mind mentally is she celebrating like i, I know Gypsy.

Everybody loves Gypsy right now. And this is not me knocking her at all. And I know that she portrays to be this really sweet girl. But her actions after her mom died does show somebody that has either just fucking went completely AWOL and fucking batshit crazy because she's been abused for so long or very manipulative and cunning almost i almost feel though i mean none of us have ever been in this situation but had someone pulled my teeth out shaved my head starved me put a feeding tube down me okay i'd stab a bitch too yeah well it makes you think though because like why not post it from her facebook account so i feel like maybe she wanted to disappear so maybe if she put the bitches dead

people would think didi killed her or did something to her and so she was like gone so she could live like gotcha under the radar gotcha because she got away with it yeah so i don't think she thought that's why she was wearing the blonde wigs knowing damn well she's very noticeable yeah i feel like she wasn't smart enough to maybe think gotcha it all the way through sense because i'm sitting here trying to like rash because i feel like they wouldn't tell on themselves if they were like thinking they got away with it because you wouldn't get away with it saying that. No, no.

So if they post that from her account, it maybe looks like she killed her daughter. Yeah. Also, on the flip side, when you're in an abusive relationship, and I've said this numerous times on the podcast, you get to a point where you're like, motherfucker, if you touch me one more time, I'm going to kill you. Yeah. When I was in my abusive relationship, I literally told him I bought him. I bought a gun and that if he ever touched me again, I was going to kill you yeah when i was in my abusive relationship i literally told him i bought him i bought a gun and that if he ever touched me again i was gonna blow his fucking head off and i meant it yeah you know like i was 20 years into this yeah yeah so she might have just fucking you know how to what do they call it a split where you just fucking yeah that's why i'm like did she

really stay in the bathroom or did she help yeah i mean we'll never know if anyone did this to me i will tell you wholeheartedly i would have probably done that and worse yeah oh yeah yeah yeah for sure they should have just burned the whole house down oh yeah yeah interesting yeah woodman c who was among those gathered on the blanchard's lawn told police that she knew about gypsy and her secret boyfriend. She showed them the printouts she had saved, which included his name. Based on that information, police asked Facebook to trace the IP address from which the post to Dee Dee's account had been made. It turned out to be in Wisconsin.

And the next day, police agencies in Waukesha county raided the gojohn's big bend home gojohn and gypsy surrendered and were taken into custody on charges of murder and felony armed criminal action so it is hard to tell who posted why was the neighbor saving all of this because she knew what was wrong yeah i mean she was doing it to help gypsy if in case anything happened with dd because she said that he was a predator and she thought that yeah and she thought that gypsy was underage okay yeah the news that gypsy was safe was greeted with relief in springfield where she and nicholas were soon extradited and held on a one million dollar bond but in announcing the news green county sheriff jim warned things were not always what they appear the media in springfield soon

reported the truth of the the blanchard's lives that gypsy had never been sick and had always been able to walk and her mother had made her pretend otherwise using physical abuse to control her. After the disclosure of how Dee Dee had treated Gypsy, sympathy for her as the victim of a violent murder rapidly shifted to her daughter as a long term victim of child abuse. While the charge of first degree murder can carry the death penalty under Missouri law or life without parole, County Prosecutor Dan Patterson announced he would not seek it for either Gypsy or Nicholas, calling the case extraordinary and unusual.

After her attorney obtained her medical records from Louisiana, he secured a plea bargain to second-degree murder for Gypsy. Gypsy was so undernourished up to this point during the year she was in the county jail her lawyer told BuzzFeed that she had gained 14 pounds in contrast to most of his clients who typically lose weight in that situation. In July of 2016 she accepted the plea bargain and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Nicholas still faced the more severe charge because prosecutors contended that he initiated the murder plot and he and Gypsy agreed that he was the one who killed Dee Dee. He was also more severely prosecuted due to different personal circumstances. Nicholas was granted less sympathy and understanding due to a lack of

involvement in the abuse. Gypsy's plea bargain agreement did not require her to testify against him. In January of 2017, his trial was postponed when prosecutors requested a second psychiatric exam. His lawyers contend that he has an intelligence quotient of 82 and is on the autism spectrum, suggesting that he has diminished capacity he initially waived his right to a trial by jury but changed his mind in june of that year bro there had to have been some kind of evidence that proved the fact that he's the one that initiated this murder if that's if they're saying in court that that's how he was charged with this that motherfucker convinced her to murder her mom yeah i don't know i think maybe that or he took the rap for her because he figured they were

gonna be like in love and get through this so she's like i'm gonna take immunity and do a plea bargain and testify or snitch on you allegedly and you take the fall for this but we're gonna still be together you know like that's just me throwing ideas out there yeah i don't know i feel like he dead ass convinced her to i mean there had to have been some type of records i would love to see the court like the court documents on this case of the fact that like their conversations had to have been saved somewhere unless they did over the phone like but like because they were talking on facebook you know what i mean you can easily get that so and she destroyed her smartphone so they weren't texting or anything like that like your conversations were being had on a computer

so there has to be that really solid proof that this was his idea that he chose to like seek out this plan in december 2017 the judge set gojan's trial for november 2018 and their opening statement prosecutors alleged that gojan had deliberated for over a year before the crime while his lawyers pointed to his autism and said that Gypsy had formulated the crime and their lovestruck client had just done as she had asked. The next day prosecutors showed jurors the text messages sometimes sexually explicit that Gypsy and Gojan shared in the week before the murder often using various personas, as well as the knife he had used to commit the murder and some of the text.

He asked her for details about Dee Dee's room and sleeping habits. These were supplemented by a video of his interview with police after his arrest where he had admitted to killing her. That makes me feel a little different. Yeah. that makes me feel a little different yeah because like this if the if they're if his attorney is like really trying to make sure that they understood that this was gypsy and he just played out her fancy fantasy then there's a possibility this was her idea i don't think we'll ever truly no so wish wash yeah for sure yet gypsy testified on

the trial's third day she said that while she had indeed suggested to nicholas that he killed dd to end her mother's abuse she also considered getting pregnant by him in hopes that once she was carrying nicholas's child dd would have to accept him along with the knife that she gave to nicholas she stole baby clothes from walmart during a shopping trip so she could go ahead and plan either however she said nicholas never told her what he thought about the pregnancy plan just like her mom her mom was stealing too yeah bro a lot of characteristics so did she really did she really end the cycle i don't i don't know well she's been in you have to understand she's also been in prison too so she's probably done a lot of self-help stuff she's probably she said she did get therapy while she was in prison. Not as much as she wanted, but you know, some.

So may, I mean, only time will tell. I was going to say, we will only tell when she has a kid. Well, that or. They've discussed that so much too. Yeah. Go ahead. No, you're good. I was going to say that or just as time goes on by her actions.

Yeah. You'll see. It gets, it's very easy to get tripped up and you know things you say online world of social media and she's so involved in social media right now after four days the case was sent to the jury jurors had the option of finding nicholas guilty of one of three murder charges involuntary manslaughter second degree or first degree murder or not guilty of any of them after approximately two hours deliberation they returned with a verdict and nicholas was found guilty of first degree murder

and armed criminal action in february 2019 he was sentenced to life in prison for the murder conviction the only possible option since prosecutors had declined to seek the death penalty nicholas asked judge david jones for leniency on the armed criminal action charge which carries a minimum sentence of only three years saying that he had fallen blindly in love with gypsy he received a sentence of 25 years on that charge which is concurrent with the life sentence jones also denied a motion by gojohn's lawyer duane perry for a new trial. Perry argued that the jury should not have been allowed to hear that Gojan had considered

raping Dee Dee on the night of the murder, and also argued that the state psychologist should not have been allowed to testify while Gojan's psychologist should have to establish that he had diminished capacity. In denying the motion, Jones conceded that an appeals

court could find the latter point significant and consider it a reversible error you were gonna do what though that wasn't their first time having sex though right raping his dd oh fuck yeah he's i was thinking gypsy that she time. That's gross. Ew. I mean, so he's obviously got fucked up. Do you think that he's a few grapes shorter? I feel like he would have done it after she died.

That's what I feel like. Yeah. I feel like, do you think he did? Ooh, he, I feel like Dee Dee would put up a fight if she was alive. I mean, she was a solid woman. Huh? Do you think that he fondled or did something after he murdered her well i mean gypsy wasn't in the room so i don't think and we're ever gonna know

i think i feel like maybe he started and maybe stopped himself and that's why that's why they ended up fucking in gypsy's room did i just solve the case i don't know that's gross man that's disgusting you hate somebody that much but you want to fuck them like that's so weird that's just that's weird do a deep dive on his childhood yeah that's really weird oh gypsy rose man she did express like we had talked about before that she feels like I am more free in prison than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live a normal live to. I am allowed to just live like a normal woman. She says in 2018, Gypsy served her sentence in Missouri's correctional center and did not talk to the media until after she had made her plea. When she did, she told BuzzFeed reporter Michelle Dean that she had been able to research Munchausen syndrome by proxy,

also known as facetious disorder imposed on another, on prison computers, and her mom had every symptom. I think she would have been the perfect mom for someone that was actually sick she said she believed dd's claim that she had cancer even though she knew that she could walk and eat solid food leading her to ascend to the regular head shavings she always hoped that doctors would see through the ruse, and she was frustrated that none besides Lasternstein did. I feel like she probably wanted to tell the doctors every time, but was probably too scared.

I'm wondering if my life at home would be hell if she did. That's why I said she was probably too scared. She also mentioned how often when they were in public that Dee Dee would just hold her hand. Yeah, like if she tried to say something, she would squeeze it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that just tells me she probably never left her side in public when dean asked her what made her want to escape her

situation gypsy recalled the 2011 incident at the science fiction convention which made her wonder why she was not allowed to have friends like others her age while she said that nicholas took their idle discussions of murder into reality, she accepts that she committed a crime and has to live with the consequences. Nonetheless, she has said that she hopes to help other abused victims. Victims of Munchausen by proxy abuse often avoid doctors and hospitals in their later lives because of lingering trust issues. because of lingering trust issues. According to her family, Dean and Aaron Lee Carr,

a documentarian, Gypsy also exhibits at times the same sociopathic, manipulative behaviors as her mother, who was for much of her life her only role model. She is already psychologically really compromised and she's going to need as much family and underpinning and support as she can get friedman told vulture after viewing car's documentary mommy dead and dearest in which he appears he also points out that the post-traumatic stress disorder is likely to be an issue in her

continuing development i hope they find someone wherever she chooses to settle who is willing to provide supportive psychotherapy and then of course on september 29th 2023 the missouri department of corrections confirmed that gypsy had been granted parole and she was released on december 28th 2023 after serving 85 percent of her sentence per state law and june 27 2022 she married ryan scott anderson i want to know how she met him online okay i'll tell you all right i love this part wait so ryan had a bet with a friend at work that the friend at work was gonna write another like popular inmate and he said well if you write that person i'll write gypsy rose so he already knew her he was already fascinated with her prior he had already done research about her he was a teacher especially he's now he is a teacher but he did prior to that work with children of special needs so her case like sparked interest within him

because he was already working within the special needs and then in turn he now is a teacher but they developed a relationship after that she was talking to other people she has been previously engaged prior to him yes she was previously engaged prior to ryan and that didn't work out and when she met ryan it took a little bit but then they began talking a little more frequently and she really liked the way that they talked and then after a little while he went and met her and their relationship started from there she said she liked him because he is from Louisiana. What? Yeah.

This is weird. That's it? That's it. That's the only reason? Yeah. Well, I am good dick. We know that. Oh, God.

Yeah. I don't want to. To each their own. Yeah. Makes me feel uncomfy. I didn't know that he's not that much older than her he does appear to look older i can't somebody said he looks like her mom he does have you seen the side by side there is very close similarities of him and her mom well you gotta understand

that girl's been through some shit she's not gonna have normal i'm and this is not me being rude i'm just saying like because of all the shit she's been through, I know she's used to always being with somebody because she was strapped to her mom for so long. But now that she has freedom and, like, you know, can move about the cabin as a free woman, I don't know if she's going to want to be locked down in a marriage. It was very surprising that she chose something like that so quickly. Yeah.

And didn't even get to come out and experience real life and just live go be one of the girls without being yeah without already being so locked down well maybe she's just so used to being manipulated that he could have maybe done the same thing to her so she's just like that's all she knows kind of i feel like he doesn't talk a lot so i think that's a good thing i have i watched him in part of the interview is very very short she seems very obsessed with him yeah you know i'm watching this like mid-interview she just reaches over and like kisses on him and stuff and she she hasn't found her new obsession and you know seeing how her mom was and her mom's obsession with things doesn't surprise me and even the psychologist saying like she does

show similar behaviors as her mom who knows yeah i guess we'll just have to watch yeah yeah well i really enjoyed this deep dive you know whatever it is gypsy live your fucking life baby go go start an only fans fucking i'm ready i was gonna leave that I was gonna leave that As a comment under her thing But I didn't wanna get attacked I was gonna be like Gypsy we need the OF Pronto

Let's go She'll make so much money She'll be like She would probably be Set for life Yeah She'd probably make 50 million Yeah

Yeah Easily Yeah Cause people are obsessed With her right now She can't even make One video on TikTok Without getting like

50 million views Oh the likes On her first video on TikTok without getting like 50 million views. Oh, the likes on her first selfie that she posted. 6.5 million. 6.5 million. I don't think anybody's ever got that many likes on a fucking. There's no way. Even like Kylie Jenner, any of them. I don't think any of them have gotten likes.

And I don't know why. I always thought she was in jail for much longer than she actually was. But I mean, she's been in there since 2016. Yeah. That's actually not that long. If think about it that's only seven years yeah that's kind of wild well she got granted early yeah early of course right but i mean she she went in when things were i mean would you miss covid yeah yeah still she did miss a lot though i mean yeah from 2016 to 2020 but i mean they have tablets and stuff in jail i don't feel like she missed that much yeah they're very connected with the world it's not like it used to be where it's like literally i find tiktok lives of guys in prison love it those are my favorite lives i already know when it looks like someone's recording

with a calculator i'm like they're in prison yeah yeah like like someone's recording with a calculator. I'm like, they're in prison. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I love you guys. Thanks for going down this wormhole with the deep dive. Yeah. I love that. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde. I'll see you guys next week.

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