Dumb Blonde - Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey: Trauma, TikTok and Tattoos

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

Bunnie is joined by one of social media's hottest and sexiest couples, Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey. The dynamic duo talk about how they met and fell in love at first photo shoot, advice for overcoming life's challenges and building a new life to be stronger than ever, and what's next for their growing empire. They also discuss how to not compare yourself to others, what life behind the camera is really like, and how to take the power back behind your own reputation.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And here we are. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Hey. Yay. Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today we have TikTok's cosplay queen, heidi how do i pronounce your last name is it levon or levon is that levon levon works yeah a lot of some people will be like levon yeah i don't like that's fancy i don't want to mispronounce it so is it it's heidi levon heidi

levon heidi levon and james ramsey what's up i'm so happy to have you guys here i know it's been so long man i feel like uh i feel like we've been talking forever. Dude, well, so I've been following you on Instagram for years. I mean, all of us IG thoughts have migrated over to TikTok. Yes, we have. And we've kind of taken it over, though. We have. We have.

I'm proud of us. We figured out a way. We figured out a way. You know what I mean? We're like roaches. We just fucking get in the cracks and figure out how to make it work and multiply. There's one. There's a bunch of them.

We team up. We team up. There's a way to do it on TikTok, you know? Absolutely. And some girls can figure it out and some girls can't. The transition's been kind of hard. But I'm happy to see you thriving over there. I've tried to explain.

Same for you. You're just, dude, we've been talking for a while. And I just love seeing the from then till now is just there's there's a lot happening it's happening really fast no especially for you I see it I appreciate it so much so okay there's so much about you guys and your story individually and together that I want to know so let's just kind of like dive in okay I want to start with you and then we'll kind of bounce back and forth in between. So where did you grow up, Heidi?

I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska. So I was born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, moved back and forth from Alaska to Arizona. And then I ended up in Oregon. I actually followed my best friends. Shout out to Noelle. I followed my best friends I grew up with in Fairbanks. Went to Salem, Oregon. Went to Portland.

Stayed there for probably about 13, 14 years. And during that time, I met James. Aw. So. I love that. It was like, we're going to get to that. We're going to get it. Yeah, we're going to get to that.

Is growing up in Salem as spooky as it sounds? Oh, I didn't. No, not Salem. No, she's like no no no no no no grow up in Fairbanks oh okay but then you said you migrated over to I migrated over there I followed my besties over there and I was just there for probably I don't know like six months and I was like I can't be there oh I actually oddly enough uh I mean it's a long a long story but the long short is let's see born in arizona raised in alaska uh went to arizona

went to back to alaska and then i met this guy on tour this is like just a very random fact here i met a guy and then i moved to new york with him and then from new york we moved to oregon yeah so there's that and you sound like a kind of like a wild child. What was your childhood like growing up? Very wild. Were you close with your parents? Yeah, I'm still very close with my parents. Yeah, they're about to hit their 45th anniversary. They're still married.

That's wild, right? I love that. Most parents today, they just aren't married. Bro, my dad's been married like eight times. Oh, my gosh. Eight times. No, he's a fucking ho-bag. Lucky number eight. Yeah, I'm very close with my family i have three older sisters i'm the youngest of four definitely the black sheep

it sounds super cliche but i mean it's true it's real you know what i mean they're all they're all very clean cut wonderful beautiful we're just we're very alike but very different right very different how did that feel growing up to know that you were so different from your siblings uh it was very accepting they were very accepting so I felt I felt I embraced it very easily yeah you know I got into trouble quite a bit uh I feel like as soon as my mom had the first first of us girls and then got to the last of us which was me she was just like fuck it a little bit like fuck it you know was it a strict I feel like the youngest gets away with everything we get away with everything she she set some rules but I of course broke them yeah of course I feel like uh a lot of the rules are I don't know they're

meant to be broken they're definitely meant to be bent absolutely you know what I mean we can get away with yep as kids you know by nature you're a Gemini right yeah yeah for sure I mean I don't know it's like do I believe in Australia astrology I don't know. It's like, do I believe in astrology? I don't really know. But I feel like some of the things I've read about it and have been told about it, I'm like, that just oddly makes sense. It just kind of. No, it does.

It's a love language. I tell everybody astrology is a love language. You know, if you take the time to really get to know it, it's kind of like psychology. It's really crazy. But that's a whole nother podcast We'll get into James. What about you? Where'd you grow up? So I grew up in Oregon pretty much my whole life. I enlisted in the army in 2000 was served in the army for six years deployed Iraq and Afghanistan

Fucking happy Memorial Day. Thank you. I appreciate it God. But Memorial Day is to remember the soldiers that have fallen. Oh, okay. Okay, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no apologies. I'm sorry. I'm like, how dare you? Death wish over here. I admit I asked the same thing,

but it's not because I didn't know. It's like, I kind of didn't know. I didn't know. I thought it was for everybody. It's for everyone. It feels like it. It feels like it wants to be for everyone. Yeah, but I didn't know that. That's was for everybody. It's for everyone. It feels like it. It feels like it wants to be for everyone. Yeah.

But I didn't know that. That's really good to know, to let people know that Memorial Day is for the fallen soldiers. Never knew that. Yeah. Enlisted in the Army. Was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I was deployed to Iraq in 03, and I deployed to Afghanistan in 2005, something like that. I got out and lost my leg the day that I got out um and lost my leg

the day after I got out in a motorcycle accident the day of the day of yeah day of well I was coming from Italy so it was like the day after okay so much so much here so skipped over a lot yeah I'm like wait a second so let's rewind okay so you grew up in Oregon yeah what was childhood like for you uh you know my childhood uh was less than ideal for a lot of it you know like um you know like ex you know bad father figures and and stuff like that and uh so for me I just needed to get out from where I was at. You know, like my mom is great. My grandparents, amazing. Everybody's awesome. It's just that it didn't really, my mom didn't just choose like the best dudes sometimes.

Right. And, you know, my mom wasn't even in a good spot then. So you can't really blame her for it because she's just doing the best she could, you know. Yeah, absolutely. But, yeah, so I decided to enlist in the army uh i listed like a year before i could go in and i was like i got out two weeks after i graduated high school i was in uh basic training wow and then uh severe amount of homesickness the second i get to basic training i'm just like what did i do this is stupid what is that like coming straight out of high school

getting pretty much your ass whooped every day in basic training? It's an awakening, an eye-opening experience. He said I couldn't make it. He said I couldn't get through basic training. I don't think I could make it. Thinking about it is exhausting. Well, Heidi used to be like, do you think I could do it?

I was like, I mean, anybody can do it. You know, you just got to want to do it. It's the tear gas thing that I ask about that all the time. I'm like, so people are just like crying and puking. Like that's just what it is. Yes. So barbaric. Yeah.

Well, you got to go through the CS chamber. Right. And it's just like basically to show you what CS gas feels like and give you confidence in your pro mask. Oh my God. So you put your pro mask on, they pop the CS canister in the building. You're like, oh, this ain't bad. And then you take the mask off and it's like immediate evacuation of everything in your

sinuses. Your eyes just are watering. You can't see anything. You're like trying to get out. The drill sergeants are just laughing. You know, the way my anxiety is set up. There's no way. There's no way.

Just take me on a gurney right now. I'm out. Take me out of here. So we're going to get to your leg, but I want to circle back. Heidi, you growing up, you are very vocal about like your drug use and stuff like that. When did that start? Oh yeah. Oh, at a very young age. And like, I'm going to say it right now. I literally, I it's like a, I extremely, I'm extremely empathetic and feel and relate to people who are addicts we are still

addicts we just chose something else to replace it with absolutely you know you choose yeah work the hustle uh just bettering your life I got I got addicted to um just a better healthier lifestyle in general it feels amazing you never really think that you can get past that when you're so deep in your addiction um and using you just you just feel like you're drowning right you're drowning you know what i mean yeah um and it was it was everything i i've tried everything i've done everything when did you start how old were you i was 12 wow so yeah in fairbanks alaska it's dark it's desolate uh there's nothing to do i mean it's literally nine months out of the year it's the sun comes up at like 1030, maybe. I went there.

Set to 215. Did you go to Fairbanks or Anchorage? Where did we go? Yeah, I think we went to Anchorage. Was it Anchorage? But it was dark as fuck there. Oh, yeah. And I was like, it was like twilight 24-7.

And it's warmer in Anchorage than Fairbanks. And in Anchorage, it's like, you know, maybe like 10, maybe zero or so. I've been to Fairbanks. They have the hot springs, right? Yeah, she had hot springs. She had springs, yeah. Okay, yeah, I've been there too. Thank God i've been to fairbanks they have the hot springs yeah hot springs yeah okay yeah i've been there too thank god you've been there i tell everybody i'm like if if you can just make it past the cold like the 30 40 below and go in the winter time it's magical it's magical so beautiful i have video footage oh it's so dope i have to see that i'll yeah i'll send it to you oh yeah there's so 12 years old 12 years old i you know you know you start smoking weed that's just like the gateway

thing and you know most people don't start smoking weed at 12 oh no they oh well she's like you know just the gateway drug at 12 you know i just feel like it was i don't know i feel like it was normal like it and and it's a joke it's a running joke for people in alaska everything in alaska is 10 years behind. Wow. So I just felt like that was normal. I felt like every 12-year-old was just smoking weed and just fucking off. Right. You know.

But they weren't. They were not actually, in fact. Was it friends that introduced you or older siblings? Yeah. It was like friends with older siblings. OK. Like, you know. Yeah.

Friends with older siblings. And uh you know yeah friends with older siblings and that's just like the seem to think seem to be the thing to do and then i man yeah yep that so you started you started smoking started doing all of that and then what happens after weed where what do you know it was like it was like ecstasy and mushrooms and like all that kind of stuff a drinking obviously there was like some weird little underaged dance club yeah i forgot what it was called what was i feel like vegas had those too it was like what were we doing with those doing man like how would they let us who ran those yeah who let us pedophiles yeah yeah i have no idea um it's funny though some of those same friends that i like used to get in trouble

with I'm still best friends with them till this day same and we all like that's a good drugs bring people together they do okay they do um we all flipped our lives around of course they both of them got married and had kids and I was like nah I never want a kid never I still don't and I still feel like I'm a big kid yeah I don't know if that will ever leave me yeah i still feel like i'm so how deep did your addiction get just so that people pretty damn deep uh pretty deep um i got i want to focus on it but i'd like to paint a picture of survival and just show people how far you've come in life sure sure i appreciate i appreciate uh definitely all the way into i had a really really bad problem with meth super super and me too I do I almost lost my hand because I was smoking it I definitely lost my tooth to that I'm pretty sure that I lost my tooth that

thankfully later on my teeth are off we're good to go yeah we're good to go I have braces twice I got my veneers done I just wanted to set my mouth up for the future yeah yeah set that mouth after you fucked it up so much you're like let's fix this let's fix what I did this so you're in your addiction when was the last time you needed to go to a doctor but you pushed it up so much, you're like, let's fix this. Let's fix what I did. So you're in your addiction. When was the last time you needed to go to a doctor, but you pushed it off? Made the excuse of, I'm too busy. It'll heal on its own. I don't need help.

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I was 18 and I was like, I'm going to move to Phoenix. My two sisters had already gone there. And I just wanted a new wanted to I wanted a new life I wanted a new chance at life I got there uh little did I know that in Phoenix meth is just runs rampant oh no it's like flagstaff it's horrendous yeah and I and then I and then I was like oh and then I was like a functioning addict at that point which which is horrendous you you also don't think you you think you can handle it and you're like everything's great I was working my job da da da and then it just got really bad I met this guy there of course and it just got really bad then I wasn't showing up to my job

and I was like homeless in my car and it was just it was horrendous you know and it just got it was an addiction it was an addiction yeah and uh my parents never lost sight of us me none of us yeah uh calling us all the time time or I would call them from a pay phone when pay phones were still a thing. I don't know if pay phones. Kids will never know.

They'll never know the struggle. The struggle. They'll never know. The beeper getting a beep and then having to go use a pay phone to call somebody. You get that 911 beep.

Oh my God, there's an emergency. Let's go to bed. Yeah, I never had a pager but I always, there was always a collect call and it would be like,

it would be like my mom just in tears like Come back to us Come back to us like like you're Safe over here and I and I did I was like okay so I went Back I got clean I got clean I love that you had the parental support Because a lot of people don't have that

They're not lucky enough to have that you know Some parents just feel lost Themselves and they feel like they just can't handle it right you know or they don't know what to do you know i never went to rehab um which is really shocking because a lot of my friends either died went to prison or went to rehab i never went to rehab to get sober either yeah it's it's it's it's a gift from god no strength within like it's crazy from god man so you went home you got sober got sober i slept i ate i gained some weight that's just how it is when you just do it it's i say that so casually but like when you're talking to somebody else who's used you just know how to yeah you sleep

you eat you gain the way back and then you just kind of because it's like drug and psychosis you heal yeah it's like you have to heal your mind from the inside out um and then I admit I I did it a few more times and when I say a few is probably like a handful maybe like three times and I remember the very last time I did it I just I waited it was like going around in a circle and I was like I don't think I'm going to I think this is I I don't think I'm going to do it and then it went around a few more times I was like I I think I'm going to do it one more and it was it was that last hit I took and I was like it was instant regret I was like I I think I'm going to do it one more. And it was, it was that last hit I took. And I was like, it was instant regret.

I was like, I'm never doing it again. And I never did. Yeah. And then I just stopped. I know that feeling. You know that feeling. Yep. That's what I did.

Whenever I stopped, I had pills. I had a problem with Lortab and Xanax. That was my shit. I never got into the pills, man. Yep. And I just fucking remember the day that I just looked at my husband. This was fucking 2017. And I was like, I don't want these in my blood.

I don't want to do this. I don't want it anymore. And like you literally just once you make your mind up, it's that's that. Yeah, it's that's that. And nothing will stop you. I love that. I'm so proud of you. Thank you.

It feels like I've clawed and teared my way to where I have I am now. And and I definitely source that back. I relate it way back. I got a I had a billboard in Times Square last year and I just I I made a post I said from Tweaker to Times Square and I really mean that too that's like absolutely that's like that's what it is that's hard work determination and I chose to live you want to live I want to live yeah you deserve to be prideful yeah absolutely and people are shocked by that they said are you sure you you said tweaker did you say that and i was like i sure damn did yeah absolutely yeah i gotta source it back to my

to my old life you know like you know if i had a conversation with my younger self i'd be like listen dude it's gonna get better if you let it no you know i love that so i don't like it when people sometimes be like you know if they see you're doing well they'll be like oh it must be nice you know whatever i hate that i hate the must be nice people passive aggressive kills me it's like dude we have worked so hard yeah like you guys you've worked so hard to get where you're at and for someone just to tear it all down to be like oh must be nice to you they just they just negated like everything years and years and years of work took to get here must be nice to be so complacent behind your fucking whatever phone yeah yeah behind your phone just talking shit yeah so james let's bring it

back to you so you are fresh out of high school getting straight into the army oh my god did you have any addictions did you battle addiction at any at any point in your life or were you just kind of headstrong and just like i'm gonna put my nose to the grind and do this military thing and you know the military thing i think it because i went in like you know right after high school and it was like i didn't really have time to get into a bunch of stuff really. You know, cause, um, I moved out of my mom's house into my grandparents' house, I think my junior year, something like that. And then finished high school out, went in the army. Um, yeah, dude, like I thought the army was great.

Um, I don't have any, uh, bad, like everybody has bad experiences in the army. Right. But like, I, I liked the army. I thought the Army was great. I don't have any bad, like, everybody has bad experiences in the Army. Right, right. But, like, I liked the Army. I thought it was great. It was good for you at the time. After six years, I decided to get out. I was like, I'm going to get out and be a civilian and make real money. I did not know how big of a joke that was going to be.

I feel so bad for the people that do serve our country because you guys come home to literally nothing. No help. Nobody fucking like it's just crazy. You guys come back with a shit ton of trauma, especially to war and stuff like that. Like and nobody you guys don't have any tools or anything in place to lift you guys up. Like I just I've always that has never sat right with me. Yeah.

You know, and, uh, the, the term PTSD gets thrown out a lot. And I think a lot of people probably use the term a little loosely, especially in the veteran community, you know, but, um, it is a real thing, you know, PTSD is real and it is to be taken serious. And there's a serious problem with veterans like committing suicide, you know, and all that stuff. And it is like, it is really heartbreaking. You know, it would be nice to have more resources and stuff available. For me, personally speaking, though, my personal experiences, I've always had good experiences with the VA.

Haven't had any problems like anytime I needed stuff for my prosthetics or anything like that. It's been real easy. But I do know a lot of people have a lot of issues with it so let's talk about this so you get out of the military a day later you get into a motorcycle accident yeah so I had a motorcycle motorcycle before I went in you know or not before I went in, but before I went to Italy and it parked at my grandma's house the whole time I was in Italy. I came home. First thing I did, jump on my bike, drive it like a mile down the road and wreck it

into a guardrail. You know, it's like. And you weren't drunk? You were sober? No, no. It was just, you know, I think a lack of experience with my motorcycle for so long, you know, just sat in the, you know, sat in the you know dumb kid you know doing stuff and uh i actually lost it from mid calf but i had a break all the way up to mid thigh so they had to take it at mid thigh goodness and that was uh rough you know because

i got out of the army and then i lost my leg and then i was like what the hell am i gonna do right like where are you at mentally right now? I was not in a good spot. But I didn't really show it. You know, I tried to, you know, just kind of get through it. Sounds like you grew up in a household where you weren't allowed to show emotion. Yes. Oh, you could say that.

Yeah. You could say that. Yeah. But, you know, it was like six months before I could get my prosthetic. So, cause I also shattered my pelvis and had to get a bunch of, uh, reconstructive surgery for it. And I got my right hip replaced. So it took a while to get back on it. But, um, once I got in my prosthetic, I was like, I got to do stuff. I, cause you see, you see too many, uh, people, stuff. I, cause you see, you see too many, uh, people are, especially in losing a limb, you know, you get real depressed, you get, you can get addicted to pills really easy, like the pain pills and stuff. And, um, I can, when I was recovering, I could feel myself starting to want

the oxys and not needing them, you know? So I was like, I got to stop. I got to stop. I'm glad I had the forethought and I didn't get too deep into it. Uh, so I don't think I really had a problem with addiction, but I could feel it, you know, like easy it is to slip into it. So absolutely. I'm glad that, uh, um, you know, my brother was real supportive. My mom was real supportive. My grandparents, everybody was real supportive of me, uh, in my recovery. So big shout out to them. And how old were you when you lost your leg again? You were 26, 26, 42. Yeah. So it's been a long time since I lost it. So if there's new amputees out there, I know a lot of new amputees will follow my Instagram and stuff like that. Don't compare your chapter one to my chapter like 40,

you know what I mean? Like it's again, that just gave me goosebumps. Yeah. It's you got to, it's takes, and that's goes to anybody starting up anything, you know, or getting through anything. Comparison is the thief of joy, you know? So it was really like important for me to get back going again. And so first year advice of somebody who's going through something traumatic like this, losing a limb, what would you, what would your advice be for that first year for them? Uh, get through the recovery, you know, um, get used to wearing your prosthetic. It's easy to not want to wear it cause it's uncomfortable. Um, obviously don't wear it if your limb or whatever is getting injured but you got to

expect to be uncomfortable you know so get comfortable being uncomfortable and then you know listen to your doctors or don't i didn't right oh that's brutal but so inspiring at the same time to see just how far you've come um you know just in everything so let's circle back to Heidi. So you're sober now, baby. Woo! Yeah. Yeah, when I say that, I've said it a lot. Like, I'm sober now.

And I do preface it with, I stopped doing all the hard stuff. I used to not know how to just enjoy a drink. Let's just say that, like, at dinner or something. Me neither. I'm a big drinker. I was like, yeah, the goal was to get blacked out. It was like, let's get blacked out.

We're going to a keg or blacked out. That was like my high school. I'm surprised I graduated. I just, there's a lot of surprises there. I'm surprised I'm alive. In fact, I'm alive.

Yeah. Thank praise God. I'm alive. But yeah, I, I, I, I was like,

I gotta go. I gotta go do something. Now that I'm sober, I've got this new lease at life, whatever. And I, I had always, I got to go. I got to go do something. Now that I'm sober, I've got this new lease at life, whatever. And I had always, I'm artistic. I'm left-handed. I've always drawn, drew as a kid. My mom's artistic.

And I was like, I need to do hair. I need to do something. I need to choose a career path. So I became a barber. And then I became a hairstylist and I did that for years and years and years but all the while I was doing all of that I was actually modeling too so there was a lot of things happening at once right let's just say that I was gonna you know I just turned 36 okay so

I feel like girls in our age group we're all hairdressers I feel like I would because well I wouldn't got my nail license there I was like a few hundred hours short from getting my my hair license but yeah i feel like we just all did that around this age yeah we're beauty industry girls right so when people we didn't want to work for the man exactly exactly yeah exactly uh and i did i totally worked for the man um i mean my my barbering school i went to barbering school in anchorage alaska and my two barbers had passed uh rest in peace, but they were amazing. They taught me a lot. Yeah.

And I'm still best friends with my best friend that I went to barbering school with, and she's now a master barber in Anchorage and has her own barbershop. I love that. Shout out to Kelly. So you were modeling while, is it, was this Instagram time too? It was, yeah, it was, well, it was so funny. MySpace. Yeah, like it was MySpace. MySpace. Yeah, like it was MySpace.

MySpace. I was like. Where the fuck is Tom? I miss him. I miss Tom. He was everybody's friend. I love Tom. These Gen Z kids can't relate to us with the MySpace.

At all. At all. You know, remember that you get to choose your music on the MySpace page. I feel like this generation is a bunch of titty babies. We were just talking about that. I know, man. You choose, you know, I was like writing all the HTML code for my MySpace. Oh, same.

You're going to change the background color. I could program the shit. Like, it was crazy. Didn't, never took a class on it, but fucking MySpace taught me how to program a fucking Yeah. Was it the top eight or was it top four? Was it top eight? It was top five, top eight, and then top 10 that you can have.

Yeah. And, and that, this is, this is totally random. That's when I started following Jeffree Star. I love Jeffree. I love Jeffree Star. He's coming on the podcast. Oh, that's right. Awesome totally random. That's when I started following Jeffree Star. I love Jeffree. I love Jeffree Star. He's got it on the podcast. Oh, that's right. Awesome.

I cannot wait to listen. Yeah, so, and it's funny too, like on TikTok too, and it's on like Jeffree Star and like, you know, the new kids, they just,

they don't know. They, you know, they don't know. It's forbidden. It is. It's forbidden. Well, no, remember forbidden on my space?

Oh, yes, yes. Yeah, I was like, let's take it all the way back. She passed, yeah, with the makeup and the hair and the whole thing. I know, I can't believe she passed. That was the whole thing. it is it's forbidden but i don't know remember forbidden on my space yes yeah i was like that's let's take it all the way back yeah with the makeup and the hair the whole thing yeah i can't believe that was the whole thing so when i when the head come up i was like oh my gosh forbidden and people the kids now they don't know they don't know who she was christine dolce yes girl and yeah i feel like jeffree star and forbidden were like the top my space yeah they were like at the top of the whole thing Kat Von D yeah Kat

Von D I just I I respect it's then and still and all through this time that Jeffrey's like come up of just like I've just seen him be do do his thing and he started from the bottom and he's just all self-made I just I respect that he's amazing what was your myspace name oh oh god oh god uh it was Heidi the hippie yeah I love that what about you Heidi the Hippie. Yeah, it was Heidi the Hippie. I love that. What about you? What was your MySpace name? I think it was just something awesome like James Ramsey. Yeah.

I love that name. Just so plain. Yeah, I love that. That was in my super stonery era, and I would always play the doors and all that shit. I love it. So you're modeling. You're sober. You're California sober.

California sober. So they call California sober like people who still drink But just don't do the hard stuff Right yes the California sober Oh and I smoked cigarettes forever Thank god I quit smoking cigarettes Me too I did Newport All I smoked were menthol

So I smoked Newports I smoked all of them Cools The last though was American Spirit It was like the heavy menthol Never got into those no they were too natural for me spirit it was like the heavy menthol never got into those no they were too natural for me man i just was like as much menthol as possible um but yeah so like at the same time so uh i had moved uh from all the places and then i eventually got into like the portland area and i think i was like 21 22 uh i was going to hair i was doing hair i was

where i worked for the man i worked at ulta regis i was an assistant i was a to hair i was doing hair i was where i worked for the man i worked at ulta regis i was an assistant i was a shampoo girl i was a shampoo girl in new york there was i've done everything in a hair salon setting you can imagine uh but while all that was happening um i was getting tattooed and while i was getting tattooed um there was people was it on facebook it was right before instagram blew up on facebook. Like these photographers were like, I want to shoot you. And I was like, awesome.

This is crazy. So we started doing all of that. And then the more I shot, the more tattooed I got. And then it just quickly escalated into like tattoo magazines hitting me up. Tattoo photographers

hitting me up. Tattoo apparel lines hitting me up. Tattoo product lines. There was a big boom for that. Yeah. I think that's why we all ended up getting tatted

because nobody was tatted back then. No, now everybody's fucking tatted. I faced the whole's the whole thing I was like yeah yeah I was like I'm gonna I did the whole what is it the soul and angels yeah rock star whatever suicide girls all that that whole fucking yeah I was never a suicide girl but um but my friend Sonny I appreciated yeah totally totally my friend Sonny shoots for them I think still and she was like do you want to shoot a set and I was like I I did shoot a set but it was never submitted because i was like no no i don't want to i don't want to um i i then and i still now which will it'll circle back to as we like combine forces i want i want to own all my content i want my own always i don't want

to wait for my content to come back i don't want my content in somebody else's hands i'm the same way i'm controlling it and it's it's a good thing yeah it's a good thing you have to look at it in a good way because you're just covering your ass period you know what i mean when you have control absolutely control yeah you you fucking direct how it goes exactly and i never had people can twist shit nowadays and make shit look crazy and no i never liked authority. I got biggest rebel in high school. I never listened to anything. Yeah.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I never had an agent. Never had any of that stuff. Yeah, I've never understood the whole thing. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes there's like brand agents or like a team that helps you. Right.

But you're still the maestro. I finally signed with a huge agency in January. Good for you, girl. Good for you, girl. Who are we signed with william morris sorry sorry sloan um but that was after years of putting in work and just finally saying like okay to go to the next level i need this right but i understand when you get to your when you get to that yeah you need a team you need somebody to help coordinate some things it still doesn't mean you're not in control at all no no absolutely no i understand exactly what you're saying so how did you guys meet oh this is oh boy oh boy yeah oh boys oh boy common question go ahead okay no that's a we'll jump back and forth because it uh it i feel like the answer changes the answer is a little different depending on who's asking. Okay. Yeah.

So after I lost my leg, you know, and I was recovering, I started working out again. And then on Facebook, someone tagged me in a post that says, it was a Michael Stokes post. I don't know if you've heard of Michael Stokes. He's a photographer. This is where it all begins. This is where it all begins. And he was shooting veterans that had missing limbs for coffee table books. And we're talking like, it was like, how is the photography? Would you describe it?

It was like. Very high end. It was like. He made his models look like sculptures. Just think really jacked hot men. Really good photography. Where do we go? So I was tagged in this post for Michael Stokes. He was shooting.

Oh, a naked and naked veterans. You got your Clark bar hanging out in these pictures. Yeah. I love this. It's like high end. I don't want to say, it's like male boudoir. I don't know how to describe it. It's like male Playboy almost.

Yes. Basically, yeah. Okay. Yes. Upscale. Love. Very nice. But big coffee table books.

Love that. And someone tagged me in a post and i just wrote hey love your work i love what you're doing you know this is awesome because i never seen anything like that before you know yeah um so i was surprised when he hit me up and asked me if i wanted to shoot with him because i had lost my leg and i was a veteran but i didn't lose my leg you know uh overseas i lost when i come home so i I was like, uh, like, here's my situation. He's like, yeah, I don't care. Uh, you look great. And I just like to shoot you. I was like, sure. Yeah, that'd be great. He's like, sweet. I'll fly you to LA.

I was like, Oh my God. Cause I'd never done anything like that before. Right. Um, so I was talking to my friend writer and she was like, Hey, you should shoot with my friend who's a photographer just to kind of get your foot wet. Oh, your one foot. My one foot. So I was like, yeah, that'd be great. So I messaged this person and they messaged me back

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slash promos. Would you like to like meet up first to kind of like, I've never shot before. And would you like to like meet up first because I don't know what the hell I'm doing and I don't want to just show up on site and be like,

now we're shooting sexy. Did you do that because you were really nervous or did you just want to feel her energy before you shot with her? I was nervous. Probably both. Probably both. Well, and I wanted to see, you know, because you don't know.

You know. Right. You don't know. So, and I had no idea about anything. This was, how long ago was this? This was eight, nine years ago. Nine. Yeah.

So, I was just like. Yeah, we've been together almost a decade. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. But yeah, so I was like. That's a long time. Yeah, sure. Message Heidi. She's like, yeah, that sounds wild well yeah so i was like yeah sure message heidi she's like

yeah that sounds great so we met up and then what were your first impressions i so i got there late she was there no no no it all started in the in the messenger oh it did i do tell he he sent me a message and I was like oh and I like opened it up and of course his profile

she's rubbing her titties right now for anybody who's not watching this she's getting all hot and bothered over here already James is blushing

and her nipples are hard perfect has nothing to do with it I admit it was it was 100% lust at first sight

100% I admit like how can I not? And it was like. No, he's handsome. Very handsome. Very, very.

But he looked so. You guys are a hot couple. Oh, thanks, girl. Yeah, totally. Thanks, girl. But no, James was never my type. He had this huge beard. Isn't that crazy?

Giant beard. And long, crazy hair. Long? Oh, long and curly. It was like a lion's mane, and curly like a lion's mane like this long super textured he's got like

coarse curly you know coarse curly hair it was like it was like down to here probably what look were we going for Fabio? I was in a band no he was in a metal band yeah we love metal

so that's like I just wanted long hair so I could hair whip yeah so his profile photo was like him sweating on stage like ripping a guitar and it was like

and I was like just like that and this was after the accident happened that you were years and years later I thought it was like him sweaty on stage, like ripping a guitar. And it was like, oh. And I was like, oh. Just like that. And this was after the accident happened that you were. Years and years later. I love that for you. That you, you know, just kind of fucking took this and was like, you know what? I'm not going to let this define me.

Oh, dude, it gets better. I do jujitsu. Oh, yeah. I can run. I can shoot and run. Yeah, it's a whole thing. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

It's a complete package. It's a complete package. It's a complete package. I love that. No, I love that mind frame. I'm protected. I am protected and run. Yeah, it's a whole thing. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It's a complete package. It's a complete package. It's a complete package. No, I love that mind frame. I'm protected. I am protected. Yeah. But no, he hit me up, and I was just like, I clicked his photo, and I was looking through,

and I was like, this is not my traditional man, but he was so fine. And I was like, how could I not? So we met each other at this little pub. Oh my gosh, what is it called? Putters. Oh, putters. Is this in Vegas? No, this is in Portland. Wow, I didn't know you guys had putters in portland is it is there one in vegas there is

oh it's like this dive bar it's like a dive is it a little dive bar they're kind of shitty yeah yeah totally shitty it was like iceberg lettuce salads oh yeah man with a cockroach on the side there's a thousand island yeah so he showed up showed up. Extra pickle. I showed up. And the first thing I noticed was he was tall. He was very handsome. Very nervous and awkward. Oh, kind of like what I'm like right now.

He's like, my butt cheeks are clenched together right now. He's like, I'm getting my Kegels in. Yeah. Aw. No, I could totally see how.

You know. Yeah, for sure. And we sat down and I was like, would you like to share a salad? Yeah. Took my jacket off. And it was all over from there.

He took his jacket off and his arms came forward on the table. And I was like, I'm so glad I shaved my legs. She's like, I shaved my vagina for this. I did. I did. I totally admit it. It was all downhill. And it was.

That was it. And then we didn't really get around to the photo. There's one photo from that shoot. And it's buried somewhere on my Instagram. I'm not even in the photo. She like oiled me up for it. And then we didn't really get around to the photo. There's one photo from that shoot. There was one photo. And that's buried somewhere on my Instagram. I'm not even in the photo. She like oiled me up for it. And then that was it.

It was over, man. And we went back to my house. Yeah. So it was pretty much like love at first sight. Yes. Lust plus love. She basically didn't leave after that. For like three days.

I love that. That's the story, man. That's like amazing, though. Because that's how my husband and I were, too. Like as soon as we got together, he was not my i'm not his type and literally we just fucking how did you guys even meet where um well this isn't this is your guys's podcast but but i don't know the story so i want to know well long story short um my ex was in the music industry also before he went to prison we went to i love felons we went to um for shiny toy guns yeah and then he passed away oh an overdose that is who i went from new york

so yeah it was a whole thing god rest his soul i love his family but you know he he left too soon yeah he was an amazing he really was he treated me me great but you know life led me in this direction and now you got a James now I have a James but I met him whenever he was performing to like 20 people he was opening up for the Moonshine Bandits at Las Vegas Country Club and when I met him I just

like I tell everybody I fell in love with the saddest eyes in the room there was just something about him that like my soul recognized him and it took a year later, my ex ended up going to prison and then Jay and I kind of started sniffing around each other. And then like, he would call me all the time and I would like get out of bed with my cabana boys, like to answer his calls. I'd have a dude in the bedroom and I'd be like, Hey, what's up? How you doing? Um, but yeah. And then he came and I tried to rape him one night

and he wanted a five year plan I gave him a five year plan and we finished that five year plan last year well the year before I'm so happy for you guys it's so nice when you see people come from nothing and they just overcome all the bullshit and they're just yes and you rep it

and you rep that shit I got to man because people just we live in a world where everybody tries to expose everybody so it. And you rep that shit. Oh, you have to. You got to, man. Because people just, they just. Well, we live in a world where everybody tries to expose everybody. Yeah. So it's like you can't expose what I've already told you. Exactly. And the only reason you know anything about me is because I was so gangster.

You can't find anything about me on the internet like that. You know? I did the same thing. So I've had two DUIs. After I've had those two DUIs, I was afraid that my mugshot would just circulate and I was like wear it on a t-shirt true could but instead I took the power back and I just posted it I was like I posted myself or so I was like absolutely you have to you know you just have to we just live in a time where people just think that they can out you at any time it's like no

sorry I've already done that it's old sorry yeah got there first. I'm proud of you guys also. So, okay. So you guys did this first photo shoot. Take me on the journey from there. See, so we hung out for a few days and then I had to go to LA for my photo shoot and I came back and then we just never left each other's side after that. We never left each other. I admit that I was like fighting so hard to be, I don't need a man. I don't need a man.

I'm strong and independent she'd come and bring me around her friends and her friends were like listen if you don't jump that I'm gonna jump that

and I was like well that's not gonna happen they were like salivating cultures yeah they were cultures and I was like I can't have that this is my man

because I didn't live in Portland either Portland's real small yeah so like you live down in the country I got myself a country boy yeah like

everybody in Portland knows everybody so me not living in Portland I didn't know it's very attractive it's kind of attractive for me yeah he was like he was like untouched earth yeah you know no i trust me i had to i had to fucking get me a nashville boy outside of vegas so i totally know what that's like so moving on you guys have built this empire together it's like take me on this journey like what dude where do we start i gotta say when so i don't want to take over but i gotta say please going on when we first got together um i wouldn't shoot with her all like as another model with i would just go with

her to her photo shoots while she would shoot you know i'd help her with anything she needed or whatever um and i remember going to these photo shoots and these photographers taking like 900 or 4 000 photos i can't do that six months later we get like three photos back yeah and they weren't even edited well you know most of the time yeah no no no when you're super tattooed i'm gonna say this uh photographers photographers will tend to bump up the clarification. To try to make the color pop. Yeah, to do this. But then they don't know how to do beauty retouching on the face.

So then it would also pull my lines and things out. And I'm like, oh. And you're beautiful. Bless your heart. No, you're gorgeous. Thank you. So were you. I appreciate that.

You don't, listen, you need to learn how to accept compliments without giving them back. I do it too. I hate it. But you are. You're gorgeous and you're stunning. So and I know how that is. We went through the same thing with the fucking. That's why we do everything ourselves.

Exactly. You exactly have your own team. And that's the thing is James was like, fuck this. And so I think I took a whole paycheck that I had. Yeah. Crap job. Yeah. It was like fifteen hundred dollars. Right. The whole month's worth of. Yeah. It was like $1,500, right?

My whole month's worth of paycheck. And I was like, we just bought a camera. And we started doing our own photography. And I taught myself Lightroom, Photoshop, exporting, importing, all that stuff. Yeah. And then we just did it all together. And then it just was easier. We had all the content.

We were in control. Then we were able to build more, shoot more, have more content. And then it just reached more people than people reaching us and it was it just blossomed into this yeah like we when we first got together i was living in my mom's house yeah you know i was like oh and i was living in a garage apartment yeah yeah it was like this my best friend had got me this garage shout out to tiffany i love you you're the best best. You're the best. Still my best friend. We worked, I think, at four different salons together.

And she found me an apartment. She has found me all kinds of things. You know those just besties that just. That's a friend, yeah. They're like your sister, your family, you know. Yep. I got two of them right there. Yes.

Yes. Yes, girl. Shout out to y'all. Okay. And yeah, I was living in this garage apartment. Yeah, dude. I was living at my mom's house yeah and this is while you guys were together yeah we just started just about okay like hanging out

like seriously seriously early on you were like i'm gonna take control of this oh yeah yeah yeah when after i went to a few photo shoots with her um and you know sometimes uh especially before it got to the point it is now where everybody just kind of does like photog i feel like photographers are kind of like almost not a thing of the past but you don't really need photographers no more you know what i mean because like before you need a photographer that had hookups with like magazines and stuff like that so you could get on a good cover do whatever but now like social media is just so big magazines themselves physical

copies are not even really important that much anymore you know so um i think that yeah when i remember going to a few photo shoots with her i was just like this is lame you know how long have you been doing this she's like i've been doing this for years and i was like has it been like this the whole time she's like basically the goals the goals were goals and then the goal shifted into other goals like like uh like i'm like, people knew slash know me from Instagram as like a tattoo industry model. So I was like, just tattoo industry model. And I was like doing all the tattoo shows. I was traveling and working for all these brands and magazines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so like my goal back then, like in my young 20s, I was like, I want to get on as many tattoo covers as possible. That was just the thing I don't know that's what all the tattoo models wanted you know but I was like Queen Esther and like you and like yeah there was a few other girls that were like known for doing tattoo magazines yeah and then and then it's but I don't just want that like I wanted to do I want to do everything you know what I mean I feel like that's kind of how we all have gotten you don't you have

to evolve you have to evolve yeah because you don't once you put yourself inside a box it's that's all hard to get out of it so it's like you have to dip your toe in many other adventures exactly so okay i know you guys probably get this question a lot because i get it all the time too but how cool is it that you had a man that looked at you and was like you know what i can do this and i can take half naked pictures of my wife oh yeah and you know because i know do this and i can take half naked pictures of my wife oh yeah and you know because i know a lot of people are like how does your husband feel about you being naked on the internet i get that all the time too like how do you let your girl do that i don't let her do anything yeah i say it's exactly and i'm like i do what i want i always have and i always

will but isn't it nice to have somebody that believes in you and supports yeah supports my husband is the same way like Like he is like baby go. It's a security thing. If the man himself is secure with themselves, he doesn't need no reason. There is no reason to fear because he knows me.

He gets model and day and crackhead by night and crackhead bun in the glass. I look like a vagabond all the time. Yeah, the muumuu. Yeah, the muumuu. So that's literally what it is.

I hate wearing makeup. Yeah. I didn't even put lashes on right now. Believe it not you don't need it i have a little dead shark what's your ethnicity oh i just found out last year that i am russian and ukrainian i can see the i knew i was jewish my mom's always been like don't forget you're jewish i was like okay mom but but she was like yeah i was like okay but uh i don't know i don't know what uh but i knew i had a little bit of i knew i was polish so i'm i'm super slavic i love that i'm super i can see that though you're very viking-ish thank you yeah i love it i got that strong nose i

got that strong big but you know what you're tiny your presence online like when she walked in the first thing she said to me was you're so tall and i'm like everybody says that you're a tiny sandals on yeah no i thought you were gonna be as tall like taller than me what is your height i'm five six five five five but i'm five seven that's crazy if she's five there's is there no way i'm five you've probably i think you're about five four there's no no no we're not dude no i'm, I'm fine. Last time I measured, it was 5'5 and a half. But I always say 5'6 because I'm not going to sit here and say 5'5 and a half. Yeah. I need a tape measure when we go home.

Yeah, well, I'm curious because when she walked in, I was like, oh, my God, she's tiny. Because you have this huge, well, your ass is phenomenal. It's a big ass. So if you guys don't follow Heidi, you need to because she's got pretty much the most famous ass on TikTok. Big ass presence. Literally. So let's talk about TikTok. How has this like changed?

You have like what, 11 million over there? No, not quite, but what is it? Bro, 10.4? We're in the tens. I mean, you're almost to 11, yeah. I'm just gonna say like change our lives bro y'all i'm gonna say this first and foremost shout out to anyone who has ever followed me not just on tiktok but long there are ogs from all the way back from the facebook to the myspace

to the facebook to the instagram to the tiktok but shout out to just anybody who's ever followed me supported me left comments left love like I wouldn't be here without you I mean I would be somewhere I'd be somewhere but like support is everything so I just I just like what can you say it's like there's not enough I could say and how grateful I'm the gratitude the older I get the gratitude is just like I'm sure that translates over into OnlyFans too. It does. Yeah. It really does.

Thank you. When that first video she had on TikTok went viral, we were going to Colorado. Dude, I was at my family cabin in the mountains in Colorado and we were just like hanging out, doing family stuff. And I had just, I was just, I had like ratty braids I took out and no makeup and I put my glasses on. We were in a hotel room when you did that. Yeah, this little lodge thing or whatever.

And everything was going fine regardless. Like, you know, modeling and OnlyFans. Everything was like totally great and awesome. But I had just, it was right before the slow pan. That slow pan effect, y'all, on TikTok. That came out right after that. They love you. Who was that?

Yeah, but you have to do it in post-production. So I've already been, I love post-production. I love Photoshop, Lightroom. I'm super geeky. You guys are amazing at what you guys do. Thank you, thank you.

All the editing and stuff like that is phenomenal. I geek out on that, man. And I'm a little controlling, I admit. But no, I just posted that video and I threw it. It's the inner crackheadness.

We like to zero in on things. It's like fine details. Yeah, the fine details. No, I just like threw it up and then I just closed my phone. I just closed my phone and like two hours later it was like five million likes.

Not views. It was like. That's crazy. It likes. And I was like, what is going on here? And I was like, what's going on here?

What's happening? You know? And then it just. Dude, and then everything started. Everything was like. Crazy. It's like a fucking slot machine. I tell everybody that TikTok is kind of like gambling. need you know and then it just dude and then everything started everything was like crazy it's like a fucking slot machine i tell everybody that tiktok is kind of like gambling and you get addicted to not even the clout because that's not what it is you get addicted to the numbers

because you just like to watch them grow and that's like what it is whenever you're gambling you hit those sevens boy and that i can do it again yeah so like you're just constantly chasing this high. But I mean, you guys are fucking crushing it. And I'm really so excited to see all the shit you guys are doing over there. Likewise. I mean, come on.

Look at you. Look at you. She's doing it. She's doing it again. I'm sorry. She's doing it again. So what are you guys going to do while you're out here in Nashville? Eat.

Eat. Have you guys tried hot chicken yet? No, but I saw your text. i actually referred back to the tech and i looked at the dinner dinner uh was it what is the word uh suggestions i'm like i looked at the dinner suggestions i looked at them they were either full i think they were just like full because yesterday was wild yeah yeah memorial yeah but i was not expecting that at all uh we're next to where we ate there's some like uh latino um concert party thing oh yeah it was like yeah it was like yeah well we asked the guy what's going on it's like some latino thing i was like okay cool like a festival tractors driving down

the street i love that big john deere tractors i was like that's how they put you out here i think he said a game but oh and maybe a game or something or something i don't know i don't know yeah i don't know but uh are you guys gonna go down on broadway tonight oh i don't know i mean wherever the food is i mean honestly she's like listen i don't care about partying i want food i'm not a big party guy you know yeah i mean and i i i'm sorry y'all but i just like sport unless it's like you know martial arts or boxing yeah you know James too we're like his mom is like huge football like

you know and it's just we're an MMA household too yeah we love like UFC it's great it's fun it's exciting I think that's like it's just where it's at man I don't know I don't know but as far as like in Nashville what are we gonna do probably eat we leave early tomorrow I mean unless we stay but you guys should stay because I Jay would love

to meet you guys I'm gonna try to talk Heidi into this you talk her into it I know she I know she's a type a no I know she's type a and I get it I totally understand listen if we do we do if we don't we don't but if we don't this will be happen again this is we're doing yeah we're you guys gonna make it through az oh come to me can you check the dates really quick and see whenever we're gonna go through phoenix is the fifth largest city in the u.s so if you're gonna hit arizona you want to hit phoenix yeah yeah uh the tour's already well i know i tour listen i listen i will Hunter, you better fucking tour us through Phoenix. Where's Jelly? I need to talk to him about his tour schedule. Oh, there it is. Yeah, I'll always jack up people to come to Phoenix.

I'm like, yo, dude, no humidity. It's hot as fuck, though. The Mexican food is amazing. You said the what? It's been 100 over. Oh, yeah, but people are impressed, bro. It's dry. There's no humidity.

Central air in a pool. What's up? Girl, I grew up in Vegas. I get it. Well, then you get it. But this shit's fucking hot as shit. It does get hot out there. So what do you guys have planned for the future?

We're actually talking about getting some Airbnbs or something. Yeah. Or branching out a little bit more. Yeah. Just to have some more like tangible assets. I want a cool, fun, passive thing to do. Absolutely. I think an Airbnb would be cool.

I don't know. Everything and anything, I guess you could say, is the right answer. I started putting some merch out. I'd like to put out more merch. Sometimes you just have to continue what we're doing and branch out. Never jump off a winning horse.

That's what I always say. You guys just bought a house in Arizona. You got fucking horses well for the neighbors the neighbors yeah i don't care i don't have to take care of that they're yours if they were my neighbors i'd be like these are mine i only have to feed them every now and then and the neighbors take care of them exactly and they're so sweet there's this big there's this one i mean they all come over but there's one that comes over and he's got a big white face and he always pushes all the horses out of the way to get to me and he's like oh he's really sweet i haven't named him yet he loves you he chose you he chose me he

chose me and then and then uh i honestly it's like we up until when we met till this we had all these all these goals and we crushed all these goals and and i'm like oh my gosh every goal that we set out we've just been crushing it. To accomplish together. Since we got together, like we want to, you know, I wanted to move out of my mom's house because, you know, living with your parents sucks when you're in your 30s. But, you know, I fucking. I wanted to make, I was like, I simply just want to make five grand a month.

Yeah. I remember. That's obviously so bad. Can I please just make enough money to pay my bills? I want to pay off my student loans. I want to pay off my debt. I had credit. When I say credit card debt.

That's kind of a form of manifesting what you guys have done. A thousand percent. Yeah. And we're about to pay off my student loans i want to pay off my debt um i'd credit what when i say credit card that's kind of a form of manifesting what you guys have done a thousand percent yeah and we're about to pay off his student loans and i don't know just like i want to just take care of the responsibility stuff yeah which we pretty much have done on my pool our pool's almost done and i got to choose all this i can't wait to see that content that's gonna be awesome it's gonna be awesome i always say the telltale sign of a healthy relationship is how much you guys grow together. And you guys have grown so much and just accomplished so much. I mean, you guys have been together for fucking 10 years. That's an accomplishment in itself.

It's a long time. It makes me feel like not old, but like, damn. Yeah. I was her age. I was younger than she is now when we met. Yeah. And I was just like, wow, I can't believe it's been... I always refer back to, remember when you had that

rich chocolate brown hair and now it's... Now it's just gray. She's like, remember when it was rich chocolate. Remember when you were so luscious. Now we've got this luscious, charcoal, silvery, sparkly hair. Jay's getting grays in his beard and it's hot. It's so hot. I never thought I would think it was

hot because I like younger dudes. Obviously, Jay's five years grays in his beard and it's hot it's so hot I never thought I would think it was hot because I like younger dudes obviously Jay's five years younger than me but how old are you? I'm 43 that's not even believable that's not even believable

for me I love you that's not no you I think you told me I don't know last year and I was like no

no no the internet fights with me when I tell them they think I'm lying and I'm like motherfucker I would pick any other I mean I love being 43 don't get me when I tell them they think I'm lying. And I'm like, motherfucker, I would pick any other. I mean, I love being 43. Don't get me wrong.

I love being the woman that I am. But I would pick like, you know, 36. If I was going to lie. I've said like, my body stay in the 30s forever. And then my mentality. I wish I had the mentality that I have now in my 20s. We would have been fucking bosses, dude. Completely different. But the wisdom yes but fighting through fighting through all of that we wouldn't be here either we wouldn't appreciate it

as much so i think that's the gratitude is is just where it shines in in my in my with my older age quote unquote i love it i love it you know i wouldn't change anything uh you know even like even though this is like a huge thing or and all the things that we've been through together i wouldn't change anything because we wouldn't be where we are now we wouldn't be who we are so much closer together yeah i love that it's a it's been a hell of a ride but i'm excited for the next 10 you know and the 10 after that are you guys married or no no marriage yeah i mean not yet jay made me get married or i would have never gotten married either.

He was like, but you're going to marry me. We're so like low key on that. A lot of years ago, people were like, you're going to get married. I was like, let's get our house first. We have the house and we're like, well, let's get, let's get our cars paid off. Let's get this done. We are engaged and like, that's good enough for me. And I, I, I i i feel like um you know

especially like in the now it's just a piece of paper but i will say the the the responsible part of me is like i would if something happened medically yeah that kind of stuff yeah we'll figure it out which heaven forbid that will not happen yeah we'll we'll get there not again he said not again well thank you guys so much for coming on the podcast. Why don't you guys shout out your socials where everybody can find you if they don't follow you guys already. You go first. Thanks so much for having me. Seriously.

You're an angel. Dude. I can't wait to see you again. I can't wait to see you again. You guys both come back anytime. Bless your heart. Thank you so much. I'm Heidi LeVon on every platform.

H-E-I-D-I-L-O-V-O-N. Literally. Just everywhere. There's no different spelling. So if you can find me. Say it with a French accent. It's this. Oh.

Heidi LeVon. Heidi LeVon. I don't know if that was French. I don't know if that was French. Or Heidi LeVon. Is that French? I don't know. Yeah.

Or HeidiLeVon.com. HeidiLeVonMerch.com. Heidi LeVon. I don't know. Where's your only fans? Heidi LeVon? Heidi LeVon. Okay. Bam. Bam. Yeah. Yeah. It's, LaVon.com. Heidi, LaVon merge.com. Heidi, LaVon. I don't know. Where's your only fans. Heidi, LaVon, Heidi,

LaVon. Okay. Bam. Yeah. Yeah. James, do you have your own only fans? I do.

So I can, you know, shoot stuff with her or whatever, but, uh, same James M Ramsey or on Instagram is James underscore M underscore Ramsey, James Marshall, Ramsey.com.

And that'll take you to all of the stuff. I love that. Again, thank you guys so much for coming on and I cannot wait to see what the next 10 years brings you guys. But I need you guys to come back like once a year and give me an update. Of course. Okay. Of course.

Promise. Yes, I promise. All right. Awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.