Dumb Blonde - Hollywood Undead: The Masks Came Off

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

This week Bunnie sits down with Johnny 3 Tears and Charlie Scene from Hollywood Undead for a raw, unfiltered conversation. The guys look back on their early days—from first concerts and parental influence to the chaos of addiction and life-changing lessons. They open up about the band’s struggles, including Deuce’s dramatic exit and legal fallout, and how those hurdles shaped their journey.Despite the setbacks, Hollywood Undead has kept its brotherhood intact, now rolling strong with J-Dog, Funny Man, Johnny 3 Tears, Charlie Scene, and Danny. They dive into the band’s evolution, swapping personal stories, reflecting on the authenticity of their earliest music, and debating the challenges of living up to past hits like Undead.The episode also teases what’s next: a September tour with Falling in Reverse, studio time with producer Tyler Smith, and even a possible dip into country music—because if there’s one thing this band thrives on, it’s breaking boundaries.Hollywood Undead: WebsiteWatch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb blonde. Today, have some of my West Coast boys in the house, baby. Johnny three tears Charlie Sheen from Hollywood undead. Seen or Sheen. Charlie Seen. Charlie Seen. I wish to, you know, I love Charlie Sheen though, too. He gets some mixed up too. I'm so sorry. It was the, it was the shh that I had on. You know what's weird is by chance, we have the same birthday, September 3rd, me and Charlie Sheen. And he tweeted me on our birthday. He said, happy birthday to us. It was like the coolest. How fucking iconic is that? Insane.

That he even knows who you are. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. I love that so much. So you're a Virgo. I'm a Virgo. Are you a ladies man? No. Man's man. I don't believe it.

I don't believe it. My dad was September 4th and he loved a vagina. Like he literally, you could not get that man away from women to save his life. I feel like Virgo men just love women. He's like, no. He's like maybe in another life. He loves his life vagina. Yeah.

Yes, maybe that's. Like more than most men who are married that long. Oh, how long have you guys been married? for since 2013, 12 years. Oh, that's a long time. Yeah. I love that you still love her vagina. Yeah.

Because most men need variety. Do you need variety? No, no, I've been married a long time as well and one vagina. I love that. I love that you guys have like this rowdy reputation and yet you guys are just like. Well, that's why we're so rowdy. We're one vagina pisses you off. You got to like smash other stuff.

Yeah, you just got to go and break shit on stage. The rest of the world is like a wrestling ring to us. So take me. back to this conversation we were just having about the vapes. Oh yeah. Well, yeah. So the vaping, because it messes my vocal cords up and, you know, I mean, it's obviously not good. And I did the hypnotist thing. I actually went to the hypnotist for other things to try and be less crazy and like some other, because they'd say they can do anything. Was this recent? Yeah, it's been over the course of like a year. I've been going. So you, okay, so the reason why this even got brought up,

let me just bring you guys in the circle of trust here is because Charlie wanted to vape. And I was just like, no, this is a no vaping zone, but you can go outside and vape, but whatever. And I was telling them that vaping is bad for you. And then that's when you told me that you went to the hypnotist. Yeah. So I was trying to quit. So did they like put you on, did it really work? Do you feel like you really got put under? Yeah. So I've gone like 10 times. I went for other things first, like for anxiety. You can go for anything. Yeah. People go in there for all PTSD, all kinds of stuff. So I went just to see what it was like because I wanted just to see if it worked because just kind of curious by nature. And so we were doing other things. And yeah,

I would say it works like you kind of go. And then it's not like the TV shows though or the movies where like you're like and they do in the clock thing. None of that stuff happens. You feel like you fell asleep though is what I would say. And you feel like it's almost like when you take a nap and you're not sure if you did. Oh my God. You know what you're like, did I fall asleep? You have to almost say, was I asleep? That would give me anxiety. Yeah. But you're not you're not sure if you fell asleep. I'd be like, did you touch me inappropriately? Like, you know, just like, you don't, you don't know what's happening. Like, did we, did we just get naked? He's a big Scottish guy too. So I was like, yeah. So I did it and it didn't work like the, the vaping thing. But he also

told me, he's like, do you really want to stop vaping? And I was like, no. He's like, well, it's probably not going to work. You have to really, you still have to like want to do those things. Most people see it's a one time thing. That's what I've always heard. Like you go in and then you leave and you don't want to smoke anymore. That, that was not my experience. I quit for that day and by the end of the day I was at set I put all my vapes in water like so I can you know to yeah I was at 7-11 by the end of that day yeah it's true yeah guzzling the juices is it is it your only vice though because I mean coming from the lifestyle that you guys used to live if you're if all you're doing is vaping I mean it's like fucking have your fun sometimes sometimes it's one of many Johnny has one of the most addictive

personalities you'll ever find I have four vapes on me Johnny four vapes we call that seems from your childhood though. So I grew up on you guys, but I never knew your entire lore. I knew kind of like the drama around the band and stuff like that because of course, you know, being from Vegas and Cali, we heard about all the shit that we used to run around up there too. Yeah, for sure. But I never got to like really get into you guys as lore and I actually got to like really deep dive you guys. And you guys have really fascinating stories. Like I think it's really interesting and I want to dive into that. But first I have a very serious question. I want to ask you, do you really have a weenie that you like to show?

No. He did, though. I did back in my heyday. Did you use to flap it around all the time? Well, just like in front of my friends, I had this trick. Yeah. I had this trick where if you take a knife, but you don't, you use the flat side, not the sharp side, and you put your D on a cutting board and then you say, hey, guys, look at this.

And you smush the knife like not the sharp side onto your D. It looks like it's halfway through your penis. So it looks like you're chopping your dick off. So I do that as a gag. Do we have a cutting board here? I got to see this. Like, this is amazing. But then I got a girlfriend,

so I couldn't be showing my dick around. It's terrifying looking on first sight, too, because it's shot. But I, so he wouldn't do that, but I would. So I took, he'd come up with these great things. And then I would just do them,

use his material. And we'd be on, like, the tour bus. There'd people be on there and I would do it. And people would be like, he'll get a friend of strangers and shit. Yeah,

I don't mind as much. How did you figure this out? Did somebody teach you? Did somebody teach you this trick? Is it like a generational thing? Like passed down in the family. I think I just saw a knife and I was like, oh, I bet you could cut your dick, but with the dull side, it won't go through. I got to show the guys this. One time for my birthday, I had him light his dick on fire. Oh my God. Tell me about this story. I got to hear this story. Okay, the dicks are out. I'm loving this. Yeah. This is my kind of party. I had a party. There was probably like 50 people there. I was like, George, I had some lighter fluid. I was like, let me put this lighter fluid on your dick and you just run out into. to the crowd and be like, oh, my dick's on fire. So he's like, okay, fine.

He's all fucked up. Okay. How do he talk you into that? Is what I want to know? That was it. That was all fucked up. Yeah, it took very little convincing. I'm game.

Yeah, yeah. Did it burn your wiener off? No, no, because no. It was on my pants. I wasn't like on my. Okay, okay. Yeah. I thought we were like running around.

I saw on your dick. No, there was something. It was on my dick. Well, okay, so it was open. My pants were open. Yeah. I didn't have any pubs after. Yeah, yeah.

So it was like a free waxing. Did they ever grow back? Yeah, unfortunately. Just like patchy. That was the one downside as they grew back. Aw. Just all patchy looking like a calico cat down there. It doesn't look.

Yeah. It's bad looking. That is hilarious. You guys seem like you guys have such a cool camaraderie with you guys. With there being so many of you in the band, because I know in the beginning there was like seven of you, right? Yeah. And then now it's down to five.

Yeah. Is that, I know back in the day you guys had your drama, but now that you guys are older and more, you know, evolved, How is it with you guys now, the five of you? Yeah, I would say, I mean, being in a now that you're, we're a little older and probably, you know, it's easier now. We get along a lot better than we've always gotten along. The good thing about we've been friends since I'm, some of us since preschool, like really, really young.

Some of us known each other. It's like before we can, three, four years old. Yeah. So that helped us get through a lot of the harder times. You know, being in a band is, as anybody who's been in a van has a lot of ups and downs. And it's very trying at different times. And we've been a band for 20 years and there's been ups, bent downs and everything in between. So it's a lot like a marriage.

And when you're going through those things, it can test those relationships. I mean, you hear about bands who are best friends and then they're suing each other and these things going on. We've never gotten in any of those situations. You know, relationships can kind of suffer under those circumstances. But we've gotten through most of them because of the friendships we had prior to those things. You know, some things don't make it through that. Sometimes people just change and things change. that's unfortunate. But if we didn't have the basis of, I think, friendship prior to that with

what we've been through with, we've been, you know, we've been on four labels. We've been sued, sued back. We've been on five, six, seven management groups. Everything that you can, you've heard of that a band can go through with the music industry. Oh, yeah. We've been through. Yeah, we're going to talk about that too. Yeah. I mean, everything you can imagine that can go wrong has gone wrong. Yeah. But you guys are still standing, which is like such a testament to you guys, just individually and together. We get along better now than we ever did. Like I'd say like in the past five years,

like we're all like best friends. We all hang out like, you know, and yeah, we all get along very well. You could hear that in the music too because you guys have grown so much and the music has evolved. But before we jump into that,

I want to you guys to take me back to your childhoods and growing up. Where did you guys grow up and how did you guys meet? I grew up in Glass Hill Park by like Dodger Stadium, northeast L.A. And then I grew up with,

with Jay, who's in the band, and then Deuce, who used to be in the band. We grew up in the same area in northeast Los Angeles. And we kind of, those are the two guys. We used to go to the same preschool and stuff like that. Our parents would drive us to school and stuff. That's insane. I know. Yeah, it is kind of wild to think about, like, because Jay's mom used to, they would like take turns driving us to school.

We went to school on Las Felis in Hollywood. And that was back when it was like East Hollywood kind of ghetto area. It was a long time ago. Now it's kind of weird to think about because it's like it doesn't even look like it used to. It's weird when I go back there now. It's like one of the reasons I left L.A. in general is because growing up there, it was like our neighborhood. Hollywood in general, that whole area was kind of ours. And towards the end, there was so many more people there.

And I suppose this is probably on Nashville feels to people who live here for a long time is like I felt like an outsider. There was far more of them than us. And so I was like, well, I might as well just go. and then him and funny you know yeah yeah i grew up in a town called shadow hills which is around burbank area in l.A um it's like kind of like a horse town i had horses growing up like um and then yeah the first guy i met in the band was girel a jadog because our parents worked together we were probably like 12 i met funny man playing basketball we actually had a mutual friend you ready for a name drop yeah shy la buff yeah i have that in my notes yeah okay all right like how ironic

at times obviously you've told us around other podcasts okay but no that i think i think that's still awesome though you know like that like what a fucking piece of lord to grow up with that crazy oh my god yeah he was always crazy was he always crazy was he always crazy that's nice to know though that it's authentic literally yeah yeah yeah yeah no absolutely 100 percent and to to stem off of what you said a second ago i grew up in Vegas every time i go back to Vegas or Cali yeah that's another place I'm sure yeah every time i go back to Vegas or Cali I'm like this is not the same city that we grew up in. Like it's just, it's, I swear

it's so commercial now and it's like lost it Sparkle. Yeah. It really, do we're recording right now in Glass Hill Park, which used to be like, I'm not even kidding like a no-go zone. The cops wouldn't go there. Yeah. It was so bad the cops wouldn't, the helicopters wouldn't go over because there's a gang there that had like bazookas and anti-aircraft stuff. It was like

in the 90s, it was insane. Yeah. And they, they there's, the gangs are all still there, but the guy who's producing us now lives there and we're pretty and i'm like he doesn't get it yeah it's still rough it's bad but this guy who's like a little white dude lives in what used to be like the one of the worst neighborhoods in l.A and he doesn't know that and that's how different it is it's like this dude lives there where you know back in there you can walk through there unless you grew up in that whole

scene you don't get it nobody understands yeah the 90s L.A was it was just a different world and i mean maybe there's certain things that are better about it but i almost prefer like the gangsters over the hipsters because at least it was like at least they had more balls yeah and it was like I don't know they had better I feel like the hipsters I feel like the hipsters lost their balls and their skinny jeans you know like they've got camel toes just and they just complain all the time and the real estates all you know it's gentrified that's what they call it it's like totally gentrified yeah for sure I know so how did you two meet um I met him through my older brother I guess I don't know how you met Jesse do you remember we got in a fight we were wrestling

Was it a real fight? Yeah, he called me Goldilocks because I had long hair and then I called him Sonic the Hedgehog because he had like spiking hair. So you guys fought. Yeah, we fought, but it wasn't like a mean fight. It was a fight to see like a male dominance but not trying to hurt the others to see who's stronger. Yeah. And then we just became buddies.

But that's how kids used to figure out shit back in the day. Like we used to fight and then you would be friends after that. You know, it really was like that. We were too old for that, but we still, that's how it happened. Yeah, that's what happens. If there's no girls at a party, then you just fight. Yeah. wrestle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all that testosterone. You guys got to get rid of it somehow.

Yeah, we just became buddies and then we just started hanging out all the time and then. Well, no, yeah, the way I met you was I came home from playing basketball and he was on the driveway with my older brother. He's like, hey, this is my friend George. But he got so drunk that night. My mom bought El Pollo Loco and he was trying to eat it, but he was so drunk. It fell on the floor and he tried to pick it up. So he just like fell and was eating beans like laying down on the floor. I was like, Jesse, this is the biggest piece of shit I've ever fucking met in my life. And I didn't eat the beans off the floor. I was for But can we have a moment of silence for the creamy cilantro sauce with Elpoa loco? God, that was so good.

Did El Poio loco and Del Taco Fire. No, Creamy Salonra's still there. You just got to pay extra for it now. Like back in the day, they used to give you fucking loads of it. Right. Okay, so let's talk about mom and the mommy stuff that's going on. What was going on in your household? Oh, well, you know, I didn't have a good, you know, the upbringing stuff wasn't good. I just had a lot of resentment and stuff. Was she a single mom? No, my parents are kind of nuts, you know, and as I've gotten older, I guess I've learned to separate some the thing, you know, we're all human beings and stuff. Absolutely. Yeah, and just a lot of resentment. And it was a very, very bad environment. And I ended up, you know, I got in a lot of trouble when I was young. I ended up in juvie and stuff like that.

Because you were acting out. Yeah, you got your first felony at 15. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I got a burglary charge. Well, I ended up graduating high school. I went to Central and this place called Challenger Camp. It's in the Antelope Valley. which is where I ended up going to, like I had to go to, because you have to go to school

if you're in jail when you're still a minor. So I ended up going there and I was there until I was 18 and I got take out. So it was all, you know, it was nothing that, well, it's not good, but it wasn't bad. But my old childhood was kind of, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't good. You were acting out because you needed love and attention though. Yeah, I don't like to say that because it sounds. But yeah, I was, I was very angry and stuff. Of course, but you deserve love and attention as a child.

I didn't have any place to go when I was little and, you know, I was living at people's houses and, you know, so you when you're, all the things that I probably needed when I was young at that point, I think I was like 18 years old. I had got that that I was sad when I was young. I was just depressed about it. When I became old enough, then I was just angry about it. And, you know, I went through a period of like, yeah, probably a lot of aggression. You know, getting in fights and all that stuff was all just an extension of trying that repressed stuff coming out. And the same with like, you know, drinking and drugs, all that stuff. You start kind of sorting out that all of that stuff is an expression of coming from the same well sort of thing. And it took me a long time to figure that out. Even though you might know it, it takes a long time to kind of actually realize it. It takes, yeah, it takes. I've always taught everybody, I wish we could be born with the wisdom we have now.

Because, God, wouldn't life be so much fucking easier if we just knew everything is going on. Even someone telling you, knowing, hearing something is different than knowing it. You know what I mean? Someone could tell you the million things, but you have to kind of realize it for yourself. So, you know, and as I've gotten older and I have three kids in my own and stuff, you start to realize that, you know, other people are human and a lot of them are fucked up and a lot of fucked up people have kids of their own. Yeah. Pass on generational trauma. Yeah.

And so, you know, my role now is to kind of, you know, to arrest those things and, you know, steer a different course. And I'm very actively participating and making sure those things don't, you know, go the same way. You're breaking those generational courses. Yeah, that's all you can do, you know. Absolutely. I think a lot of that trauma stops with us because our parents back in the day, those motherfuckers do not care. They don't want to hear anything about therapy. They don't want help. They are like set in their ways with being how they were, that generation that raised us. And I feel like a lot of us have learned from our parents' mistakes and we're like,

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who you are i don't care whose kid it is seeing a kid that's a sad child it's it's just terrible and it breaks my heart to think about it so you know if you any adult with their own problems it is really it is their responsibility to sort through those things out without bringing their their own children into it because it's just you're setting up that kid up for a lifetime of their own pain and then another kid up for a lifetime or whomever that person marries or that person becomes connected to is going to suffer all because you're unhappy with yourself and you know that that generational trauma it's it's a handful yeah no it's a lot how was your childhood um mine was pretty good yeah yeah yeah yeah it was good he has the coolest mom

yeah we love cool moms because i didn't have a cool mom so shout out to the cool moms yeah yeah my house was always the party house. She let everyone go there and crash. And yeah, she was awesome. So she gave you guys like a safe space. Totally. Yep. She allowed me to talk shit to her all the time. She told us to keep it down and say, shut up. Yeah. Shut up with a bed. If you're like, damn, you talk to your mom like that? That's my fucking maid. She's annoying. She liked it. She got a kick out of it. Yeah. I love that. That's so awesome. Yeah. So she always, and they were cool. They never forced me to go to college. My dad was a He wanted to be an actor. He said they were cool.

They never forced me to go to college. No, they didn't give a shit. They were like, do music, act if you want. Like they were all about the arts. So they just supported all the decisions I made with music and all that stuff. I love that. That's amazing. Yeah.

And George moved in with us too. He lived with, yeah. George, I love this. This is awesome. Yeah. No, his parents were the best. Yeah. I love parents like that.

That's how my best friend, Tasha is. And I literally moved them out here to Nashville to be with me because I left home at 14 and ended up moving in the trailer park. with her and her mom and you know you didn't you never forget friends like that like yeah you never forget people who were there for you and your lowest fucking time yeah yeah yeah you guys have a pretty special bond yeah 100% so after you moved in with him with them is this when you guys started forming the band or how did that that that work out was around that time yeah we we we were in bands together and separate he was in a band called upright radio we were in a band called three tiers

I was another we were like off and on doing bands and then we we so we like we're in bands together and separate for like years right so we would live together and then we you know we'd hang out and stuff and then hollywood undead kind of formed from like pieces of other bands why did you guys not just out of the gate start a band together was it just kind of like you guys wanted to have we did and then we would just go that wouldn't work out and we go do another band he did another band i would do i stopped doing bands you said you know when you're young and in a band it's a pain in the ass right it's like you know so we would bands would break up and he would do so everybody was kind of doing their own thing and then we kind of formed hollywood undead from like pieces of

everybody's thing and that was I think really like more of like a last ditch like the one of the reasons Hollywood and Dead I think is so different differentiated from everything we did and we had kind of all done bands where you know I love the deaf tones I wanted to be in a band like the deaf tones everybody had those models Hollywood and Dead was really like let's just do whatever the fuck we want because nothing we had done worked like when you're trying to oh be in a band like this or I want to be in a rock but we it really was like let's just make whatever the fuck we want. That's what Hollywood and Dead was.

And ironically, when we stopped caring about whatever, you know, the rules were, was when it actually worked out. So it was kind of born from all the broken pieces of other things of bands from all of us prior. Experience. You guys got to go your separate ways, experience life, and then come together and put all those pieces together like a puzzle piece. How did you guys come up with your names? Have you always been Charlie seen?

Oh, no, no. I need to hear some of the OG names. Yeah, shit. Well, Charlie seemed like, I never expected this band to blow up like it did. Right. So we were like seen. You didn't know something cool, like Blade or some shit. I know, yeah. Exactly.

No, so it was just like on a whim. Like we were seen kids back then and rapping about scene kids. So I was like, oh, Charlie's seen. And then here we are 20 years later, too. We just had our 20 year anniversary from the date. We put our music on MySpace. That's insane. I was seven years old.

Now I'm 27. It's crazy shit. Put that on Wikipedia. How did you come up with Johnny Three Tears? The name of the first band I was in was three tiers. So I always called myself Johnny Three Years, way before Halloween and Dead. So when we did monikers, that was, it just, that was that. And you called yourself Johnny back then.

Yeah, Johnny. I just thought Johnny can go ahead of anything. Right. You know what I mean? Johnny, anything. So Three Tears was the name of the band I was in since I was like 17, 18 years old. So I just put Johnny in front of it. Yeah.

You know, so that was the whole. the whole deal with that. And when we did mask, we were like, well, we got to do monikers and stuff. And that was all just at that point, you know, the names, because with the masks, you want to, if you're, it would be lame to have masks and be like, I am George. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like, you know, it kind of fit the whole. But you're a good looking guy.

So I'm sure that if you even had to, you know, put a mask on and called yourself, George girls were still going to go crazy. I wish that was true. That's why I got married. Married. So obviously you're doing just fine. Dude, I had to get the first one that went for it. I was like, you want to get married, babe? You tricked her.

You had the first night I met her. Yeah, I love that. How did you guys decide on your masks? Like, because you guys each have one catered to like your personality, correct? Yeah. We got lucky. This dude, his name's Jerry Constantine. I always shout this dude out because he's like, he's awesome.

He's won like, I think he won an Academy Award for doing makeup like Winston Churchill makeup. But he pretty much any movie you've seen with like crazy monsters. it. This guy makes them. Like all the famous horror movies that you that aren't CGI now because most of them are. But like the thing and all these things, he builds these monsters. And so we got in touch with him way back when we first started. And he made them. Like so we went in and kind of told them what we wanted. You know, I'm in the butterflies and the three and stuff. And he made them out of, you know, clay with his hands and designed them by hand. So we got to work with this dude who's like a genius and he's made like, you know, some of the most famous monsters that, you know,

you anybody seen from these movies and and uh he did it from start to finish with us wow very constant i never did a mass back then yeah he did a del taco bag originally because del taco i love you i love you we're like we're doing all these cool matches like i'll just do the bag i'll do a del taco bag yeah yeah but listen you set yourself apart right yeah yeah yeah i love okay so how long did the bag last the bag lasted until we signed our record deal they're like you can't do a del taco bag it's like fuck um unless they pay you right yeah Yeah, yeah, or yeah. Yeah, I just wanted free fucking soft tacos.

Dude, the double del cheeseburger all day long. I know, it's so good. All day long. So they wanted me to like change the design on it and shit, but it just looked dumb. I was like, ah, defeats the purpose, just wearing a bag on my head that says Charlie. So I was like, I'll just do a bandana, you know? I've always like cowboy movies and shit. You know, the outlaws with the bandana.

And it's just easy as fuck to put off and on. Because the back was annoying. You can't drink beer through it like it gets soggy and starts falling out to get fucking ditch shit. It's like the paper straws. I hate those. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. We turned in that. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to do a bandana.

Oh, I love that. It's crazy sitting here with you guys and like getting to feel your energy now because you guys look so intimidating, like on stage or like even if you guys like just listen to your record and don't even know who you guys are. You guys have such alpha, you know, personas. But sitting here, you guys are like just like sweet little babies. What the fuck? I love that. I love that. I love that. No, wait until you see me babe, dude. Wince you see me vaping, bro. Yeah. I know. I love it. So we have something in common. Your first. concert that you went to was Stone Temple Pilots. Yeah, yeah. Mine too. Really? Yes. Oh shit. I was like, I don't share that lore with too many other people but like Scott

Wyland, Scott Weiland, was on stage and we got to see one song, somebody threw a fucking bottle and it hit him in the head and he fucking lost his shit on stage and then walked off. That was my first concert. That was the first song that happened and he left? Yep, and he left. Was this like pre-the-heroine days?

It might have been a the middle of it. I'm not sure. This was in the 90s. I feel like he was always on that. Do I love the video of him playing acoustic with one of the DeLalo brothers in the park? And he's like kind of, yeah, in the park. He's almost like chubby. Yeah. You can tell that's pre-cuck and heroin. Yeah. It really did make me sad because obviously towards the end he looked like the skeleton, you know, he's such a talented dude, but you looked so like young and healthy and it's weird because it was such a brief window where he looked like real healthy and normal. It just looked like a normal dude. And then later he looked so torn up and stuff. And he was.

But he was such a dialogue, because I'm a big STB fan too. Yeah. Just a sad story. Same. Yeah. No, it's so sad. The Allison Chains, all that. Like those are like, I feel like we don't have any like rock stars like that anymore.

No. And with that pain and that music especially. Yeah. The real deal. He had like a really rough life too. He was like raped as a kid and shit. Yeah. All the drugs.

Yeah. Well, that explains a lot of, you know, why he was acting out like that. Totally. Yeah. Well, like we were talking about earlier. It all comes out in the end. Yeah, absolutely. So you had talked about how you were involved in drugs. When did your drug addiction start? Right when I had enough money to do them consistently. Okay. So was this after Hollywood undead or during or before?

Yeah, no, I started doing like, alcohol was like when I was 13 is when I really started drinking. Like right when I found it. I knew I was in trouble when I started drinking because it wasn't like, ooh, this is fun. It was like, to me like, to me like, oh, I can, like I found something that was like going to get me through life. You know what I mean? Like an outlet. Yeah, well, it was a bad relationship right from the get go. So I tried, when I started, I did Coke, you know, a couple times when I was like a teenager, like just from other people. And so I would do that periodically. And then when we got signed and stuff like that and we got money, then I started buying it. And, you know, because you once you, Coke is obviously not, it's an expensive drug by comparison to some. And then, yeah, it just escalated and, you know, I started doing Coke.

And yeah, then on tour where it's like so easy to get. Oh, yeah. It used to be everywhere. Cocaine used to be, and we didn't have to worry about fentanyl. So we, yeah, I'd be doing bumps off the back

of fucking dirty bathroom stalls at a dive bar. Coke's trouble. I mean, I remember like when I started doing Coke, I could buy like an eight ball and it would be like, it would last me like a weekend or something.

And then it would be like, okay. And then it was like an eight ball and it would last Friday. And it was like, I wouldn't even leave the house anymore. And it really catches up with you. And it,

you know, causes you no end of, uh, it just escalates and escalates and escalates. And, you know, the losses that you incur doing this stuff of you know i won't even get into that stuff but yeah it's really bad and i always thought you know we we talk about those things in our songs

and always make sure that people understand it's in a negative light because coke is you know we drink and all that stuff it's a good time it could i'll never tell someone that cocaine is something that you should do recreationally it's not fun it always ends in a dark dangerous horrible play that stuff has caused me no end of pain and trouble and other people that i know that i I know trouble and stuff. I get it. I was so coked out one night. I tried to smoke it like it was crack.

Yeah. You know, like it's a very deep dark hole that you go down whenever you are partying, fucking, you know, and I used to date like the biggest drug dealer. So I got eight balls of cocaine for 80 bucks, you know, so I was just fucking, you know, and I'm in the strip club. Just it was bad, bad scene. But I get it and I totally understand what you're saying. I do think that it's important for people to hear the struggles that you've gone through

because, you know, they look at you like as. role models, you know, and they're like, these people have come from the depths of hell and they're out here busting their ass, you know, on tour, performing. But before all, before they've gotten to where they are now, there was this time in their life. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I mean, years and years and years of it. I'm like, I've only cleaned up my act in the past few years. I mean, it was gradual to, like, I wasn't going insane. Like, there was probably 10 to 15 years where it was just like all hell broke loose. But then my wife left me and like, you know, things like got real bad. But that's good. We love a woman that has boundaries too. No, and

she had every right to, and it was the right thing to do because that was actually the only thing that kind of like made me like, holy shit, you can act. There are consequences and stuff to these things. But you will lose everything in pursuit of these things. There's no doubt. Eventually, it's really just about whether you're lucky enough to hit rock bottom before you're dead because one of those two things is going to happen. You're either going to get, you're going to die or you're going to hit a rock bottom enough to turn you around before that happens. Yes. And it's like a 50-50 shot that one or the other is going to happen.

Something bad enough is going to happen to make you go, okay, I'm never going to do this again and it will stick or you're going to be dead because those are really the two outcomes typically. Yes. You know, your wife or your family leaves or you have an overdose that, you know, will make you, that will scare you enough or you'll skate along with these smaller losses until you're homeless or something, God knows what. But yeah, it's devastating stuff. And anybody who's seen it knows, like, you know, people end up selling their own shit.

Other people shit. Oh, yeah. You know, the cost is very high. But we do have a lot of young fans. One thing that really makes me happy is we do meet and greets and stuff like most bands. And from what we talk to them and I have never, the number of kids that don't do drugs and don't drink now is skyrocketed. When I was young, every kid drank and did drugs. Same.

That was our era. Yeah. It's not popular. it isn't it isn't like oh like it's very normal me to 20 year old me like oh i never even had a drink yeah that was like that would blow my mind when i was young my makeup artist has never even done cocaine i'm like how yeah how does that even i thought that was what it was in those makeup cases yeah literally that's what i used to use my makeup case mirror for you know what i'm saying so when she told me she had never done cocaine i'm like this is crazy but it's you're right it really

is well you said that too people are learning the newer generations i think they're learning from our mistakes and that gives me a lot of hope and I don't know what it is what the shift is but um yeah it seems a lot less common and I saw some statistics with like alcohol consumption that you know alcohol companies are losing business rapidly yeah and you know by all means go drink have fun and all that stuff but um you know it's one of those things yeah yeah you can get out of hand really quick you don't need to be drinking every day and um you don't need to be drinking Tuesday in the morning like I used to or whatever and I feel like alcohol is sometimes worse than because it's so fucking available.

Yeah, and it's allowed. They can literally go and get alcohol any time of the day and nobody's going to say anything. You know, when you're in a band, we'd show up in the morning shows and stuff. We'd be six in the morning. We'd fucking hammered. Oh, yeah. And drinking whiskey, that's completely acceptable. If we worked at a bank or any other jobs, you'd be like, you're fired.

But people laugh it off. It's okay. We could get away with it. So it's a much more slippery slope where these things are accepted in our field. And, you know, so that probably was not the. best recipe for a bunch of addicts to work, or not a bunch of addicts, but some, uh, me, um, to work in a field. It's like I'm speaking for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To work in a field where that stuff is not only allowed, but almost encouraged to a degree. Yeah. Oh, they're fucking

crazy. That's awesome. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, um, you know, if you can handle it, you can handle it. And you know, everybody has their limits. And it's cool that people encourage people to not, you know, your, your husband and stuff. And you see these public displays of, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to get healthy. I'm trying to do better. That was like frowned upon it when people try to hide that. Now it's like, hey, everybody's rooting everybody on. And to me, that's just really refreshing, because that wasn't like cool for a long time. Now it's like, hey, let's see how, let's say everybody, let's do all these challenges with each other and see who can, you know, get their lives better. And, you know, I think kids today are a lot smarter than the kids were when I was a kid myself.

Thank God, right. Yeah. Yeah. We caused enough trouble. Let's switch it over here to you. Growing up in such a, you know, stable environment and loving home, did you battle with addiction also? Well, my, my childhood did shift kind of dark. My dad got addicted to drugs. Like he ended up having to go to rehab. He got, he had like insomnia, crazy insomnia that he passed along to me, which fucking sucks. But he got addicted to somas and all this other shit where he was passing out at our table on Thanksgiving and shit. So it got really bad and it made me like never want to do drugs ever.

So I would like see anyone do drugs and be like it's I would see him I grew up with him Getting drunk with him was fun. He started doing coke and like we'd be having fun and laughing as soon as he does coke now he's like fucking weird and serious I'm like shit in your pants it sucked the fun out of your soul like I never want to do that shit So it's like I have I have dabbled in things here and there but for the most part like you know Beer is fine for me and he's a good time he's who you want to hang out with when you're when you're drinking Yeah he seems like it yeah he's usually the life of the party you'll make you laugh and stuff. Yeah, you remind me of my best friend Kyle who passed away.

He was just such a sweet soul. Isn't that crazy, though, how, like, you can go one of two ways. Whenever you see a parent that's an addict, you can either follow in their footsteps. Like, even unwillingly, it just sometimes happens, or you go the complete opposite way of like, which you did, and you were just like, no, learned from a very young age that that's something that you didn't want to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, made me. When starting a podcast, you're starting a business.

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So it was J-Dog, Deuce, Shady Jeff, Charlie Seen, Johnny Three, Tears, Funny Man, and DeKurles. Yeah. So that was the original. group. Can you guys take me on that journey with you guys, like when you started dropping music on MySpace? You guys said that Tom from MySpace wanted to sign you. Yeah, yeah. He almost did. Yeah. The band first started actually with Deuce and J Dogg. They made like a hip-hop song. Like 50-cent had just come out. They're like, damn, let's make a song. Or what was the song? I forget. I think maybe a 50-cent thing. Something like that. But they're like, hey, let's make a hip-hop song

and wear masks and put it on MySpace. And J-Dog sent it to me before he released. He's like he knew I had freestyle, like back in the day I'd love freestyle battling and freestyle rapping and shit. Like I was obsessed with it. That's a dying art. It really is. Yeah. And now when people freestyle, it's written as fuck. Like I used to bring a boombox to high school and shit and freestyle with all the bloods and like battle people. I loved it. So when Jay Dogg started doing hip hop, he sent it to me. He's like, hey, I want you to write a verse for this. And when I first heard the song, I was like literally blown away. It was called The Kids. Yeah. This is the best fucking thing I've ever heard. So then I wrote a verse to song number two called Scene for Dumb.

And that was the first written verse I'd ever done in my entire life because I would only freestyle back then. And then George, what song did you start with? Number five? Yeah. Or Black Dahlia. No. Black Dahlia was my favorite. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I forget. Okay. I forget. I think it was number five. Yeah, I'm not really number five. Yeah. Because we were like spurting them out then.

Oh, yeah. Because you had Jeffrey Star on it. We did our third song had Jeffrey Star on it. Jeffry's one of my best friends. He's cool as hell. Yeah, we call him Farmer Jeff. He was like a Hollywood local back then and we had him do turn off the lights. He did a song with us way back.

Yeah. That was like the third song we put out. Yeah. And that was a trip when you had a mom. I was like, holy shit, because I hadn't seen him or heard about him in so long. I know he was doing his thing. He's fucking hilarious. He just walks in a room and you start fucking cackling because he's just so funny.

No, he's hilarious. He was always one of the like the sharpest dudes. And he would, wait, even back then, like we were like nut jobs. He was like. he stuck out then. Yeah. It was like this guy's crazy. No,

he's always been authentic. And that's what I've loved about him. Oh, no, he's great. Doesn't change who it is. Yeah. Our car broke down or Jarrell's car broke down. And he's like,

uh, he was like, uh, he was like, well, if it's any, if you need tranny fluid, I got a little for you.

I was like, fuck yeah. That's exactly how he is. We literally tried to make out with, he tried to make out with Jaime. My videographer at the other day. It was so, it was so.

Yeah, it was very close. If we weren't filming, it would have happened, all right? And he's got a beautiful fucking girlfriend. Like, I mean, just gorgeous. But yeah, no, Jeffrey's still the same fucking way. Yeah, he was on the third song we ever put out.

Yeah. It was really funny. I'm having to take it up and listen. Yeah. We were like the, so now, you know, like SoundCloud and all this stuff. I guess it was kind of like the original SoundCloud thing. We just started, it was like very rapid too. It was like a song a week.

We just started once one came out, it was just like just kept pushing it and going because people were listening to. to it and it kind of had a vibe and then I remember you know MySpace had like an inbox and like there was a message there from what was it like a lecture records or one of them uh it was Tom message just directly Tom message but didn't a label did oh capital did yeah um Rick Ross hit us up the strokes posted for us like one of my favorite bands back then like we thought it was like a prank at first yeah yeah and this shit happened we were just getting used to the internet back yeah yeah yeah yeah came around so you never knew what was real or what wasn't it was

happening so fast to within three months all these people messaging us and labels hitting us up and shit. It was like overwhelming and it didn't feel real. Yeah. And then I remember like we so we ended up signing with Interscope, but I'm sorry. Thank you. He's like, yeah. I do it all the time too. She's always over there like. When we actually went to a meeting, that was when it was like, dude, this is real like we met with Jimmy Iveen. Wow. I know. Which is who we ended up signing with was Interscope, but that was when it was insane. Like sitting in his office and he had like John Lennon's piano from Imagine and like frame two pock lyrics. And it was just like the most insane thing in the world posting stuff

on the internet. Where are you guys at in your life right there? So you're sitting, you're signed with Interscope, you're sitting in this office. I'll tell you something funny. We were so broke. We would ask for CDs in their office to go sell at Amoeba. Like, because we didn't have any money. So we have like a box.

We love like Led Zeppelin is when we're Atlantic and they'd give us like a box out of Led Zeppelin, we'd go to Amoeba to sell it for like secondhand for like 20 or 30 bucks because we didn't have any money. And then they, Atlantic was like, I remember this. They were involved in like hypnotic, which was like this drink. Yes, I used to drink it in the strip club all the time. That's what it would get you fucked up. Yeah. We'd ask for like a case of it and we would just get drunk off of for a few days and then go back to another meeting to get another case. And like, yeah, we were like, so it was funny. We're going all these meetings, but we had no money. Our manager had like this hoopty ride that we'd all like pile into.

How did you find the manager? Where did he come from? Just out of the blue? Or was he a friend? That was our biggest mistake. Yeah, biggest mistake. He managed my band. I was in before Hollywood Undead.

So he kind of came in. But they managed Papa Roach at the time. So it's like, hey, they seem legit. Let's have them manage us. Oh, no. He was just the only manager we knew. Right. Yeah.

And willing to see the vision. Yeah. He didn't know what the fuck he was doing. He's a nice guy. We just hired him because he was British. We thought he sounded smart. Talking about that accent, though. I know.

Convince people. Might. But yeah, it was just a wild time because it was like, yeah, from nothing. And then we got a bunch of money or at least like in our mind what was a ton of money at the time. Right. And then, yeah, the rest was history. What's the story with good Charlotte? Because they took interest in you guys too or?

Great Charlotte, right? Yeah, they're the best. Yeah, they took interest. How did we even meet up with them? They message us or something? No. So we. I love that everybody's DMing you guys.

Yeah. This is hilarious. Well, we used to go out in Hollywood all the time. right but we were like dirt squirrel dudes we were a street kids right so we would go to this place called powerhouse and like this place called tini's these real like street bars gangster kind of cholo bars and there was all these clubs we would never go to those clubs they wouldn't like let us in there but then we the band started hyping up we were allowed like we could start getting into these clubs and good charlotte djed at this place called lax right um and so we started going there and

they knew who we were and we knew this guy named tony lavato who was in this band called messed and he knew them he had lived with Benji and so we like got connected to them and those guys are like the coolest dudes in the world one of the coolest things because they were big famous dudes and they you know they were balling and stuff we were like still like like just street rats and they're like hey they had these like mansions and stuff and they'd be like come to our house and we'd roll up there and they'd let us like we go swimming and stuff and they were just super super cool super supportive like big brothers yeah 100% yeah yeah and they just wanted to help it they never asked for anything from us

and stuff they just thought we were going to do well and they would give us advice and hey man make sure you do this, this and the other thing. Which in this industry, that means a lot. They were just looking out for us. Right. Literally. Just taking us under their wing like big brothers. Yeah. Yeah. Really cool. They had like, they brought us to Vegas once when he was like with Hillary Duff, Joel. Yeah. And they had like this crazy sweet. Like I don't even know why they let us hang out there. How do you let Hillary Duff go? It's just what I want to know. I don't know. Hillary Duff is hot. I know. I know. He was big pimping back then. Yeah, he was. But yeah, he would just, they like,

They were just, like, let us hang out with them for some reason. But they were just the coolest dudes. Yeah. Super cool dudes. But you guys ended up, they helped you, but then you got fired by them? Or is that? No, no. So this is when we first started.

And then we, you know, hung out with them. And then we went on our separate ways and blah, blah, blah. We ended up hiring as managers. Okay. Like a decade later. Wow. They're great managers. Right.

And we hired them. We did a record with them. The reason we weren't, they work more in like the pop world. Right. they do like Chase Atlantic and they have some great bands but we're you know we're a rock band really so it just wasn't like the best fit they're great managers great dudes and they look out for their artists it just we love the dudes it just was not we were in two different kinds of ecosystems right um but they're great dudes do you guys consider yourself rock or do you guys

consider yourself rap no i i really don't in a lot of ways but that's just the world that we've come like with the festivals we do and stuff we've always been like we'll play with like slip knot in like wage war on these bands. We're like, why are we on these, that's the world we've been accepted. For some reason, even though there's hip-hop. I think it's because it's like, you guys have that alpha angry music. Probably. That's literally how Rock is now. We kind of just ended up in that world.

That was never like the world we pushed or anything like that. We thought we were going to be a hip-hop band. Shockingly, my husband was on all those rock festivals too. We're like, we're like the fray over here. Like, what are we doing in this rock festival? They, and Tech 9's always on them. Yeah, I love tech. We just had Tech on.

Yeah, I'll watch that. It was great. I think you're right. It's just the energy of the band that fits into the rock. In HipUp is so popular that obviously they always have had like some hip hop type bands that I guess it makes sense. But yeah, we were just embraced by that world more so and like rock radio played us and, you know, obviously like Power 106 wasn't going to play us. So it was like, all right, fine. So it's just kind of where we ended up.

And you guys have been touring with Ronnie falling in reverse. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. How's that going for you guys? Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. We're about to go back out with them too for all of September.

I love that. Yeah. He's a special, special man. Oh, man. He's hilarious. I've become a major fan. I told him. Like, I might sign up for the meet and greet.

Literally. If Ronnie wanted to, he could be a fucking opera singer. Seriously. He's great. Super talented. She's got that crazy vocal range. Yeah. Yeah.

And he's just funny as hell. So take me on this journey with you guys after you guys developed this band and the seven of you. There was a little bit of drama. We don't have to really go too deep into it, but I just want to touch base on it because your Reddit thread for some reason. They have so many questions because they feel like they don't really know the whole story with you guys and like why Deuce left and all that stuff. So can we talk about that? We never talk. It's funny because we never really told anyone.

Right. Like people always, part of that was because they would talk like shit. We didn't want to give it any air. You know what I mean? Yeah. But really it was just, you know, differences of opinion. And it was like which direction the band was going. And, you know, people, people act like assholes.

It was just kind of like, you know, first and foremost, like me and I grew up with that, dude. We were like best friends from when we were little kids. It was not like easy, but people change. And it was like one of those things, it sucked. No one wanted that to happen. But none of us made that decision. Right. He got, he.

So he left on his own? Something snapped with him. Something changed to where he all of a sudden got very controlling and very crazy and very weird. And it was hard to be around, but we dealt with it, you know? And it got to a point where he left the band. Like, he's the one who left. We were at the airport. He didn't show up.

So we're like, oh, fuck. So I had to sing and do all my rap parts. It was a lot of shit to do. So that was hard. But it was not our idea to do that. None of us fought it because at that point, we were all so almost relieved. because it was just like, but dude, it wasn't like the way we wanted it and it wasn't like the way we planned it. But, you know, it's funny. You see this stuff and you hear about this

stuff happening and when it happens in your world, you're like, what the fuck is going on with this guy? But that's really what happened. And it was kind of like one of those things. So I don't know how to explain it partially because I've never talked to him since. But we were best friends from when we were little kids prior to that and everything shifted. So there's no like. was just too young to handle that much at once because that's a lot like when you guys post on my space and then you guys are signing record deals and then money's coming into play and there's seven of you it's like yeah maybe some people just aren't made for that or whatever but you know to turn your friends and enemies is not the the smartest thing to do and that's really what happened

so it was just like well fuck you then and we just decided to move on so it was never like eff this dude it was just like whatever to us. Even though he, didn't he make a disc album about you guys? Or was it? That was the whole thing. So there was this, he's saying this,

that and the other thing. And then, you know, it was either like do we respond? Our response was let's just not do anything because it's just going to give them there. And then obviously there was a time where Jay and Dylan were down in Hollywood

and they beat him up with it. He was with a bunch of people down there. That was my next question. So there was really a fight. Yeah, I wouldn't even bring that up. But TMZ like covered it. So it's already public.

knowledge they found him down there and he had said enough stuff to that point but we were never going to like post I love that you guys are about it though oh yeah we weren't going to say anything but when we saw him it was on you know what I mean and then so they did that and then he sued us and it was like so we got a lot like you talk all this shit and then you get your ass kicked it was there was like three of them and like wait dude it was a very lopsided competition um competition and they all ran and they all lost the ones who stayed got their asses kicked and then you sue as a response and act like you got jumped it's like dude there was 10 of you guys and there was three of them um and then you sue and so there was this big lawsuit and all this stuff and a bunch of

made up stuff he said I wasn't even there and he said I was there with an AK I wasn't even there was 20 miles away and he put so I wasn't there I wish I was there but I wasn't there when your reputation proceeds you yeah yeah so I wasn't even there and I have to fucking hire a lawyer to defend myself to prove I wasn't there I was at home yeah and trust me I I wish I was there, but I wasn't there. Yeah. So all this stuff. So who starts the fight loses and then sues those people?

Yeah. So all this stuff happened. So we never fed the fire or anything else. We handled what we had to handle when it came down to it. We ended up winning the loss or settling the lawsuit because we had enough ammo to say, hey, look, this guy was making enough threats that when we saw him, we could prove that it was defense when we fought or whatever. So that all went away.

The other stuff was just bullshit drama with the other. other dudes just not getting along you know normal stuff yeah that was the only real fire fiery stuff and you know the other stuff was just normal hey we don't get along anymore type stuff but i i love that you guys even through all of this have managed to still stay together and stuff because a lot like this would have broke up a band like normally this would have like you guys would have probably done your own adventures on side quests and just let the hollywood undead name kind of rest but you guys literally just kept trucking and i think that's awesome yeah i mean We want to end it at least on our terms.

You know what I mean? You know, at the end of the day, we'll do it our way. And now that that stuff is behind us, I think we enjoy ourselves now more than ever. And we've kind of settled into what we want to do. And, you know, the bygones are bygones. And to be honest with you, I don't even have any hard feelings towards any of these people now. I don't even care. That's growth, though.

That's, you know, I still want to stomp somebody out. So there's Jada. Funny Man, Johnny Three Tears, Charlie Seen, and Danny in the group now. Yeah. Can you guys describe each other in three brutally honest words, each one of you guys? Three words per person? Or just you two. Piece of shit.

You've been saying that since you guys were kids. Yeah. What would you say? He called you piece of shit. So what would you say? No, I was counting how many words it was. Oh. that was about me he just likes to count yeah it's the one of his things like uh dustin hoffman and rain man

yeah counts words uh i just say totally great guy oh you know even with the piece of shit thing i just i'm not going to sink that low i'm not going to do what deuce did what a good guy fuck that's four what a good guy oh i love it i love it so how do you guys balance um individual individual egos and visions within the band now you get married and get your ego crushed so are All of you guys married now are pretty much settled down. Everyone except for funny, man, got divorced. Yeah. Be married and divorced.

Yeah. That's all right. You live and you learn sometimes. Sometimes that's how it goes. But you guys are holding on strong in your marriages. You've been married for 12 years. Cheaper to keep her, as they say, right? That's what I tell my husband too, you know.

My wife loves this show. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. What's her name? Asia and she told me to say hi. Hi, Asia. See? I bet she's hot too.

I want to see you guys as wives. I don't think I've ever seen you guys. his wife. I've seen Jay Dog's wife. And I love Jay Dog and shout out to Jay Dog because people give me shit about my cows on fucking online and he'll be in the comments sticking up for me. Oh, hell yeah. I'm like, that is so sweet. That's cool. Yeah. He's an animal lover. Oh, I love that. Yeah, he's got like 90 cats. Oh, damn. Yeah, he's always got some animal thing. That's crazy cat man. I know if that's an animal lover. That's a crazy cat man. Yeah, he's a cat. We's always, I remember when we used to work in North Hollywood together

he had we had like this kind of like trap house type thing yeah and it was right there was like a bum village right by it yeah we're always going in there to like rescue the cats that live there or he would go in there and the bums didn't want to give up the cats so we'd have to like bribe them to get the cats oh my god because otherwise they would just run around out of control having more kittens and they die and stuff so you know negotiating with these bums like to give us the cats we're always on these crazy cat adventures I love that though yeah So you guys do contribute, like, calming down to being married, having babies. Do you have babies?

Yeah, I have two boys. Oh, I love that. How old are they? Five and six. Five and six and how old are your babies? Three girls. One's three. One's five and one is 16.

Karma came for you, tough. Yeah. Yeah, you want to hear something cool. Me and him had a kid on the exact same day. He has got a boy and I have a girl born at the same day at the same hospital right down the hall from each other. Yeah, it was like a Disney movie. It was beautiful.

I feel like you guys were either brothers in another life or something. I definitely have a soul type. We're going to be related, too, because my son's going to be hitting that. Oh, my goodness. Not just one. He's just going to be his first threesome with the two youngest. Oh, for the Eiffel Tower. Yeah.

Love that. And I'm going to be proud. Love that, love that. I love that. Do you guys feel like your recent music reflects growth and or like, do you guys feel like your recent albums that you've dropped reflect growth from the boys that you guys used to be? Or are those wild party boys still in there? You know what doesn't belong in your epic summer plans, getting burned by your old wireless bill.

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Text fees may apply. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I honestly, it's funny. I look at like me, I used to think of it. It's music's not like linear like that, you know? So I don't, there's something that's great.

Like when I listen to like early Beastie Boys stuff, you could say like, oh, they grew because their music became more like complex or because the subject matter was, but I love the early stuff just as much. Yeah. It's more just like where someone is, is at. You know what I mean? So it's like our early stuff, we were just really young. And like one of the things I love about it is like all the anger was so sincere. And that's the, you know, in like the party stuff. We really were still doing all that stuff. So I don't look at it as just two different time periods. And I really cherish. When I listen to that stuff, I used to get kind of like, I would have done something different. I really did get caught up in that. And now I don't. And now I listen to it. And I really do like look at it and kind of like encapsulated it as something special. Whereas before I used to be like, we should have done this. different or that different or we could have made this better as opposed. Now I just kind of go, you know what? That was, it was cool for what it was. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about that?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, I think we try for the most part or we do right from honesty. And like we're not like saying we're doing something that we're not. So it's like, do I show my dick and go to the club and you fucking do Jaeger bombs? No, I don't do that anymore. No dick on the chopping block. Which I still want to see. Maybe we'll catch you guys out on tour. And you can show Jay and I that too. Yeah, absolutely. We'll do that the meat and green. I love that.

Yeah, M-E-A-T. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah, so we're just writing from real places now. And we still write party songs too, but they're just different now, you know? Yeah. You have to evolve. Yeah, you have to.

My husband says that all the time because, you know, people want rap a roll back. And he's like, I'm fucking 40 years old. What am I supposed to sing about, you rap about drugs and fucking bitches? It's like, I can't do that. Exactly. You're like, you're trying not to then. You know what I mean? It's like if we wrote Undead again, because a lot, we've heard that ever.

I love Undead. I will beat somebody up listening to Undead. Every label we ever, every man. Hey, why don't you guys ever try and write another undead? It's like that doesn't happen. It doesn't exist because it was organic. We were mad and it was like a period in time. Yeah.

And if we wrote another undead, people are like, oh, this isn't as good as the undead. Right. You can't. So it's like the whole concept of redoing like a remaking something you've already done is impossible because you're like a completely different person. It was 20 years ago. Yes. Yeah, you just got to find the next thing that's as good, but just honest.

Yeah, it's always going to be different though. Yeah, exactly. You know, and, you know, it's like your concerns and where you're at emotionally and spiritually and stuff is much different 20 years later. Yeah. That doesn't mean your music can't be just as good. It's just going to be about something else.

Yeah, absolutely. Can you tell me the story about when you hung out with my husband and ended up having to sleep in your car? Yeah, the truth too, right? Yes. Yeah. That was a good night. Can I tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

So help me God. I'll tell you my version of the truth. Listen, we can cut out whatever you need to, but I would like to hear the truth. No, I don't care. Okay. So we went there and I actually drove there because I was like, I'm not going to drink or anything. So normally, like, if I was going to, you know, I would Uber or something. Yeah.

So I drove there and we're sitting around with Baylis and Jelly and some other dude. and him and stuff. And then they started, we had some like tequila and stuff. And then there was like some drugs, you know, cocaine came out. So I was like, oh boy, this is going to turn into something different. I was like, oh, I drove. You know, so I was trying to kind of be like, oh, I drove. I can't really. He's like, oh, don't worry about it. My security card will drive your car home. And I was like, well, then how's he going to get back? He's like, my other security card will drive him back. And I was like, so I kind of ran out of excuses. So I was like, okay. And so we drank. And then And we like, we had like, I remember we were, he spelled out a giant G and a giant J and cocaine, like spelled

out the lettering, but he, he didn't touch it. So I did the whole G. He's like, I took it upon myself. He was like, no, thank you. We recorded the song. And I remember to it took me, because I was so yacked out. I was going to say, I thought you turned into like the not the fun guy when you did blow. It wasn't. No, jelly roll even said. He's like, man, you said when you did Coke, you changed. And when you do Coke, you changed. Because I get really like wired up and it makes me want to rock. If I'm not absolutely completely shit face and I do a line of cocaine, I will rock back and forth like I'm in a straight jacket.

Like I don't like it. So you're in a studio trying to record it and you're boxed in and you're trying to like focus. That is the worst thing for me to try and do if I'm doing blow. Yeah. So anyway, at the end of the night comes around and the dude, this big ass security guard is like driving me home. I don't even know. Maui.

Probably Maui. He's super cool. Yeah. But you know, he was just like, I'm just like, I don't know, he's like, he's like, shut the fuck up,

white boy. So he drives me and another guy's fault follows and then we get there and I'm knocking on the door and no one will let me in. I'm pretty sure my wife. It's like seven in the morning

or six in the morning. No, the sun was coming up. So it was like, oh, I hate that feeling. So I was like, I was like, dude, I'll just go in my car.

It's fine. He's like, no, Jelly told me not to leave until I see you go in the house. And I was like, dude, leave. And he's like, I can't do that.

And I was like, Dude, you're going to get me. Like, this is going to be way worse. If my wife wakes up and I'm here with some giant security guard, it's going to make, he's like, I'm sorry, he's my boss. I can't go. And I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to do? And, like, people are waking up and walking their dogs.

This guy's, like, seven feet tall. And I'm standing up front of my house, poked out of my brain. And so I was like, what am I going to do? What I'm going to do? So I was like, okay, well, let me try the garage. And I open it. And there's like a fridge that blocks the garage door. And I acted like I was opening the door.

And he was like, standing out there like this. And so I was like, oh, it's open. And he was like, like this. And I saw I went like this behind the fridge. And like duck behind it. You could see him peering around. I was right. And I just hid Lara like that until he drove away.

And I went and hid my car for the rest of the night. Oh, my God. That is brutal. You had to sleep in the car. Did you sleep at all? What happened when you got in the car? That's what I'm curious about. No, I laid there.

And then I don't know. I probably put this in like some Billy Joel and just. I used to drink mouthwash to go to sleep on, like, cocaine nights. Yeah, when I didn't have any alcohol. Yeah. I was probably just laying there scared of my wife. Yeah. Oh, well, so was wifey pissed?

No, she was cool about it. I don't know if she knows what happened. So now probably. Yeah. I'm going to have to ask my husband if I can release the whole story. I love that. No, it's okay with me because now, you know, it's funny because I haven't drank or done drugs in two years. And she asked me if I could do it for a year and I say,

yes, I did a year. And then I was allowed to drink or do whatever I wanted. And I just did another year because I was like, why not keep going? So awesome. I'm telling you, when I got sober, I got sober in 2017 off pills and cocaine, 2018 off alcohol. Sobriety sucks. It's the worst journey that you'll ever go on. But it is the most rewarding and most fulfilling the more years you get under your belt. You don't even, I used to wake up and crave chewing a Xanax and like drinking vodka. And now I couldn't, I can't even fucking take cough syrup. You know, like it's crazy how we change. as we get older and when you really just have a goal that you want to reach as far as it's good for you that's no yeah really good for you I don't know that it's tough in life is much

more fulfilling without that stuff at least you know the way I look at it too is like stuff's hard but at least you have like a chance to fix things and yes you're at least up to bat if you keep if I kept drinking or you keep doing that stuff you're never even to get up to the plate you're just going to keep knocking yourself back down before you even have a shot so and having to start over yeah you know yeah yeah it's like is it worth it to have to knock all those days down that you just accumulated under your belt for a drink or for a night of just feeling like shit. And hangovers are not the same. Are you guys in your 40s? Yeah. Okay, me too. Hangovers are not the fucking same. No. They're two days minimum. Oh, I get three. And then my mental

health afterwards is just fucking wrecked. Yes. It's like depressing. Yes. It's so bad. You get anxiety. Yeah. People talk to you like, yeah. Yeah. No, I won't leave my house. Like Thai food all for all three days. I know. Yeah. Yeah. We're Thai food. It's same. We do the same cuisine when we're hung over. Really? I don't even like type of. Yeah. I'll drink coconut soup all day long if I can eat fucking curry.

Like give me great. And imagine those wasted days, three days where you could have been doing all this stuff. Yes. You're just watching X-Files, which is what I do. Yeah. And it's like, I just waste my life. Yeah.

All that time. And then, you know, I have three kids. Mm-hmm. When my, oh, dad, I'm tired. I can't go to the park because I'm, you know, and lying and shit. It's just like, dude, fuck this. They don't take no kids. And these kids these days do not take.

know for an answer. Hell no. No, I know. Yeah. You're missing all these good memories and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm proud of you for the two years.

Thank you. I'm very proud of you. So moving on, what do we have to look forward from you guys this year, 2025 and next year, 2026? We got that tour with falling in reverse in September. And then we're working with the producer Tyler Smith, who we're super excited to work with. He did the song, Savior that just came out. And he's just the most talented producer I've ever worked with personally.

And the crazy thing about him. He lives in the hood, though. Yeah, he lives in the hood. That's the one in East L.A. Yeah, yeah. He produced, I Prevail and Falling in Reverse, when both those bands used to open for us, and he produced them,

and they're the biggest rock bands out there now. So we're hoping he can do that for us. Yeah, I think you guys are like, you guys have had nine lives. Like, it's for this band to make it through all you guys have, and 20 years, you guys are still making new albums, recreating yourself.

I mean, you guys are going to be here for, while you guys aren't going anywhere yeah yeah you never know right yeah that's what keeps us going what do you think the sound is going to be like on this next album what are you guys hoping it'll be i mean well say the song we just we had two songs come out so far and both of them are like completely disidentical from each other yeah um what i always what i always like that i just want to make sure that what we're doing is nothing like what we've done before that's always what i go for and i think what we go for and yeah um keeping it original when i listen to you know when i listen to the radio. I always listen to it to make sure we don't sound like anything on it. Yeah. Would you guys ever

do country? Yeah. He loves country. Yeah. I like write and produced country since I moved out here in Nashville. Yeah. Shout out La Cade. I told my drop his name on here. Yeah. I love it. I love that. I love that show on my dick since we're here. Yeah. Yeah. I always send him pictures of my dick. Let's do it. Yes. Asia, come on down, baby. So would you guys do like a country song? Because I know, when you guys, you know, collabed with my husband. And I think that that song was was great. It wasn't country, but it was great. You guys should collab again and do like something country. Heck, yeah. We would love

to do that. That would be amazing. That would be awesome. No, I've always, I think like in Hollywood Undead, we do have the luxury of doing any genre. And I've talked about country enough to where fans are almost expecting us to do a country song that also is Hollywood undead. We could essentially do anything we want. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could see you guys doing a docee dough thing on stage. Yeah. Yeah. No, that would be lit. You guys, thank you so much for coming by.

Our pleasure. I'm glad we finally made this happen. Yeah, totally. Us too. Long time coming. Tell everybody where they can find you guys on your social medias if they aren't already following you. Just any social media slash Hollywood undead.

There you go. Yeah. I don't know anything about that. Yeah. Do you guys have personal profiles? Yeah, the real Charlie scene. Easy. Hey, hey, hey, hey, piece of shit.

The real Charlie scene. T-H-E. Not sheen. No, not sheen. And then what's yours? Johnny three tiers? I'm guessing. Yeah.

Yeah, probably. Johnny three-tier something. or piece of shit slash piece of shit. No, I take that back. Handsome devil. And catch you guys on tour with Falling Universe this summer. September, yep.

Slaughter to prevail. Where are you guys going? Is this out of the country or is this here? U.S., Canada. Okay, awesome. Yay, we'll go get your tickets, guys. And if we're on the road, when you guys are on the road,

I want to come see a show. Heck, yeah, please do. All right. Cool. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dunblan. See you guys next week. Bye.

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