Dumb Blonde - Jelly Part 2: Counteracting Self Destruction and His Songs Going Gold

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

Jelly continues his convo with Bunnie this week, talking about the musical family they have built up over the years and how amazing it is to see everyone thriving. He also talks about hitting a billion views on YouTube, how he shot his foot, and the way artists really make money these days. Bunnie shares what she really thought of him the first time they met.  Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com adamandeve.com Discount code: BUNNIE Offer: 50% Off 1 Item and Free Shipping in the US & Canada *certain exclusions apply Bunnie: www.dumbblondeunrated.com Jelly: Instagram "Please don't mistake either one of us for being disrespectful or corny." - Jelly "I am a piece of clay right now that is remolding myself." - Jelly   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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all right gentlemen coming to main stage next this is bunny get up there she's got a tornado of titties coming your way get those dollar bills ready she's got an ass that shakes like michael j fox so get up there and throw throw throw them dollars dude that is fucking iconic Got a tornado of titties coming your way. Get those dollar bills ready. She's got an ass that shakes like Michael J. Fox. So get up there and throw, throw, throw them dollars. Dude, that is fucking iconic. Like when you sing Save Me. You said it best. And I've used your quote a thousand times.

Thank you. We were talking to somebody one day. And somehow, I don't know, I was like, I want my show to feel like a back road, southern tent revival. And Bunny, you said this is the closest thing to church some of these people will ever go to. Yeah. And ever since then, I was like, that's what I want. I want this to be a spiritual experience.

Oh, it is. Like, I want people to, the analogy I used earlier, which is such a good one to use again i wanted to feel like we all just had a big cry together and i want everybody to leave like in that euphoric high of letting that shit go yeah i want them to go home and crash yeah like what a fucking night you know what i mean like that's what i want you know and that's what we're going for i want i want it to be i want it to feel personal. Save me just hit like what? A billion views or something like that?

What was the thing? No, no, the whole channel. Okay. The whole channel is at. You have so many fucking stats. I can't keep up with them. They're just mind blowing. It's crazy. The YouTube channel is officially at 1,167,000,000 views.

It's crazy. How does that make you feel? I't cry it's insane it's just mind-blowing if there's anybody in this business that deserves what you're getting it's you because your heart is so pure daddy youtube started for me was you know it was my starting spot yeah with the 10 minute freestyle right yeah mean, even before that, there was nowhere to release music. So we would just put audio like, before SoundCloud, YouTube was our SoundCloud. So like I would, you know, I'd just upload a song with a picture on YouTube. 12 years ago, I told you. Fucking song logs.

He's out of there. I would like upload songs to youtube so to watch the youtube channel grow there's been nothing short of amazing for me yeah it's insane it's been really really fun not just youtube though but like you know spotify fucking charting records you know say what did save me get save me got something or it's going to get gold or something like that it's like i think and i don't want to speak on it too soon but i think save me is going to be a goal it should be officially a gold record so yeah that'll be my first gold record did you ever think that i heard and this is a rumor because i

don't know anything about this shit because i never never thought I'd be getting them. I heard there's two other songs that are close to. Which ones? I think Same Asshole, surprisingly. I remember when you wrote that. You wrote that in the hospital when your dad was. Yeah, I wrote it right there when Dad was dying. And Fall in the Fall, I think, are really close. So it's cool.

I love it because I get to share in all of these in their own intimate way the same asshole song because of where i was at when i wrote it the save me song because of the effect it's had on so many people d ray being a part of the song so we love d ray following the fall struggle being able to get a plaque like to me it's just if that actually happens the way it could that's going to be like what you couldn't have scripted a better storybook for me personally there's like how would you want your first three goal records to be i mean i would like i would have wrote that down 10 years ago like there was something like this that'd be great

you know did you ever imagine this when you first started rapping and to do it with no big features yeah like that means a lot like a lot of people's first goal record is like featuring some other artist that's like... A big name. Yeah, like a named artist that they didn't even know. They just got on their song. It's so cool that my first ones will be with the homies. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I think that's what... As much as I talk shit about Nashville, I have to say that what's cool to watch with you is all of the people you've grown up with. Yeah. Everybody. Bravo Gator. Chatty Bobby's back in the picture. Lex Top Dollar.

Lex, yep. Struggle. Fucking, you know, all the boys. Alexander King. Alexander King. Everybody. D-Ray. Like, just everybody.

You guys have all grown up together and just done this together yeah and stuck it out and stick by each other support what everybody does stuck it out man you know so to me

it's just I don't know man it's a special thing yeah it's rare it's very cool it's so rare too it is such a rare thing

and to watch the new generation of like the Ryan Upchurch not the new I mean but I mean even though he's he does bigger than me, number wise, like him being younger and watching his growth and watching.

You're like an OG. Yeah. So that's something else that's weird to me to have been here long enough to be like, when I'm watching. I'm an OG in my city. So when I'm watching up church sign chase yeah like holy shit like i'm seeing generations of this cycle yeah like i'm actually like you know what i mean yeah it's like watching your daughter turn 13 like us watching bailey turn 13 you're like holy shit like no stop you know

what i mean like it's insane the cycle of it so it's like the same thing musically like to watch Bobby sign Savannah like for me that's insane and to fucking crush it knock it out the park like they have I mean completely

god damn hit a grand slam we were talking earlier today and it was just like she's done this they have done this all in less than like seven months oh yeah no for sure

it's been well less than a year fucking wild for sure it's crazy. No, just figured it out and went fucking for it. Balls to the wall.

You know, but to me, it's just like, that's the evolution. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? To watch that kind of shit happen is like,

it's a dream scenario growing up here and everybody knowing each other. And it's just a little more special. You know, it's like, I tell people all the time that anytime struggle wins, I feel different because I remember babysitting Brianna and Little Will.

Right. I remember when Innocence was born. She just turned 16. That's crazy. Like, I remember that, like, vividly. You know what I mean? Like, I remember Chula being pregnant with Innocence. I remember Courtesy, me holding her as a baby you

know what i'm saying like i remember all of these so like when that happens it's like man i fucking like fuck everything else i know the kids right you know what i'm saying like this is cool but you also want them to win for the kids for the kids exactly it's like dude i know the kids it's like you know like i think of Bobby's mother when I think of Bobby I think about how close Bobby was to his father I remember the place in the house that his father would nap at you know what I'm saying like I remember their house as a kid growing up like I could paint that house in a picture right now for you yeah so to see Bobby win is just like fucking crazy for me you know what I'm saying it? It's like, dude, like I really, like when I

see Don Wynn, Don Green Wynn, like I know his mother. Like I shot myself in the foot and she was a nurse and she helped fucking fix my foot. Like I've known. Can we get a little backstory on why you shot yourself in the foot? Well, it's quite a thing. Because I'm sure everybody's

going to want to know now. They're going to be like, wait, what? Shut up about myself. I had a.3577 and i used to put in the back of my jeans right and one day it fell down the back of my jeans and on the way down the hammer had came out first of all if you guys have ever seen how my husband wears his jeans why in the fuck would you put a loaded gun back there he holds them up with like trash bags and shit like it's the craziest shit take me out of antioch but you won't take any who told you that was okay i'm very very very seldom guided back in god but i put it in the hammer cocked and when it hit the ground it went off and it blew through the back of my ankle i got a big scar now oh my god it

ended up real bad i couldn't walk right for years. One of the reasons I'm, I'm slew footed anyways, but I'm double slew footed on my left side of the dad. I can knock your ankle off. But anyways, his mother was there. You know what I'm saying?

Like, sidetrack me from my story, but you, this is, you know, I just, I don't know. I just look at all this and I just feel it.

It's such a, it's just way more personal. You know, I've watched all of d ray's kids grow up yeah you know what i mean like his he's got two kids in college and one on the way and it's like i remember when they were all one on the way to college yeah yeah yeah we got two in college and one of them yeah yeah i was just clarifying because some people be like oh he's got one on the way no yeah good point yeah we came off on one way to college well you

never know yeah him-Ray does. Him and Tara might be over there going for it. Yeah, 20 years they've been banging each other's backs out. I would, but D-Ray is, you know, it's like

you just look at it, just all of it just feels different when you sit down with everybody because it's not like I met your mother recently and like her.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, I've known your mother a long fucking time. You know what I mean? Like, it just feels different like when you're talking to those kind of people and when you're doing business with those kind of people and it's family able to work together lex is another one we me and gracie

talked about it last time she's at our video shoot gracie may i was like i think i met her like her third birthday or something like it you know second birth fourth or third fourth one of them one of them really early like like first memory birthday parties. Yeah. Gracie's 20 something now. You know what I mean? It's like, you just got her own house, fucking doing makeup and shit.

Like it's crazy. Making music, writing songs, producing records. Yeah. And you're just like fucking, there's no fucking way. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Same thing when I see Brianna, same thing when I see fucking. Brianna has a beautiful voice. I think Brianna's got one of the best voices in town. She does. And that's like all country artists. It's different. It's classic.

It's so signature. It's haunting. It makes you feel something. It's back to how music makes you feel. You know what I'm saying? Chachi agrees. It's back to how music makes you feel. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's just Gracie has an incredible voice. She does. gracie can write and play guitar that's alexander king's daughter for everybody asking yep yep yep yep him and fifi but it's just i don't know it's just been cool to watch all that you know the studebakers you've known them you've seen them grow up now dude fifi sent me a picture of fucking. Zoe. No, the other one. Xander. Xander.

Why did I, could I not remember the name? The other one. The other one. The other one. The bigger one. The big Steve Baker. And he's like a grown ass man. Yeah, for sure. I'm just like, what the fuck happened?

When I talked to him the last time, he's like, what's up, honk? I'm like, golly, son, you next rap? I remember when you were just a little fluffy, little squish running around, you know? No, he's a little skinny fella. Like, what's up, just so crazy it's so weird drop yeah so i don't know it's just cool man it's really cool i'm glad you see it because it's it's something i'm proud of no i think it's really cool and that's one thing that i can say that sucks about my hometown is people that you grow up with you know besides the people that are in my circle that i've handpicked myself, they don't support you. They literally don't get, the better you do,

the more they hate, you know? And that's something that Nashville, you guys just come around each other and just love each other and appreciate that somebody's doing something. Even the guys who got off the music, like Chatty quit music for a year, you know, Squints. Yeah, love Squints.

Just went on to raise his family, you know, and got away from the music game, but Squints is always the first person to congratulate me via text every time something cool happens you can just set your alarm to it if i post something like we did a billion views on youtube squints proud of you bubba quick quick money yeah yeah oh yeah he hits me up on facebook yeah you know what i mean lily yeah all the big advocates for you know lily's gonna be on the new album yeah for sure putting me on there stoner's producing that one you want to talk about going baby stone baby stone i just talked to him today we're gonna try to cut verses friday

i love stoner i love the vibe that you guys have that's another one dude i mean his oldest son was in a stroller when i met them yeah you know and he's i talk to his wife all the time yeah they'll do their sweetheart you know what i mean like just watching him evolve his wife was one of the women that never judged me like even from the gate like and i've always loved that about her and just i remembered that you know because when i came to nashville i was like oh the whores in town lauren and thomas are salt of the earth yeah and. Just good people. And they're from good stock, too, man. Yeah. I mean, you know, I've known them over a decade, by a landslide over a decade.

I mean, you know, Thomas's dad's just a sweetheart. You know, Lauren's dad's a great guy. Like, I've met their whole family. I've known them for years. She seems like a really good woman. Oh, dude, they're just from really good stock, man. They're high school sweethearts. Yeah.

They have a great story. That's crazy. Yeah. How do they do it? I need the secrets. I want everybody's secrets. Yeah. Yeah, well, dude, they're cool as shit. And they're like they do it? I need the secrets. I want everybody's secrets. Yeah, I do.

They're cool as shit. They're like us, though. They get each other. Speaking of marriage, we're getting ready to celebrate our fifth anniversary. Big five on the married books. Going into six years. Yeah, you said you was only going to be with me five. No, we planned on three.

No, that's what you planned on, bitch. I said five from day one. What are you talking about? I had to up your ante because he was like, I don't know. Three years sounds good. He sat me down the other day and had like an emergency press conference with me to tell me that this is the longest relationship you've ever been in.

I'm starting to get, I'm starting to get cold feet, you know, like I'm officially an uncharted territory. I'm weird. I don't know what to do here. That's what I was trying to say. Need to let you know, this is now out of my wheelhouse. I was like, I'm weird. I don't know what to do here. That's what I was trying to say. What are you talking about, dear? I need to let you know this is now out of my wheelhouse.

I was like, what is this? I was so confused. I was like, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. No, it's good because I'm communicating with you. But, you know, I'm a player from the Himalayas. The anti-hockey just came out. I heard a helicopter. It was actually like the police are out.

Yeah. I was literally. Yeah, no, you know, I just like to check in and actually like the police. Yeah. Yeah. No, uh, you know, I just like to check in and see where your head's at. I want to make sure you're still in it.

Cause if you're not, I got to figure shit out. We got to figure shit. We got to figure out what our next move is going to be. Cause if you're not, I got to figure shit out. You know, you ain't got nothing to figure out.

How about that? It's been figured out. I just love you so much. You ain't got nothing to figure out. How about that? It's been figured out. I just love you so much. I love you so much. You're my best friend. So I have some questions I'm going to ask you. People have been wanting to know a couple things. I did this with Sav too.

I'm always down to answer some questions. No, no, no. Actually, technically, we only have seven. I would like to do 15. Okay. I'd like to answer some questions. This is why you never get invited on, because you always want me to fucking stay longer y'all hear how she just admitted that i never get invited on y'all can i have this clip can i use this one for my tiktok

no this ain't no hold on no no no this ain't no my husband is a podcast hoe he fucking spreads his seed everywhere we call know what we call that? The back pedal. That right there. Right there. I ain't seen you swim this summer, but I bet you're doing a lot of back stroking. I tell you that. Listen. All right, buddy.

My husband goes on everybody and anybody. If you want him on your podcast, just hit him up. He'll go on it. No questions asked. Y'all see it, boy? She's swimming in a back row. Fucker. Listen.

Listen. I don't invite you on because I feel like I'm small chump change compared to all the ones you go on now. What was the front half of that again? You don't do what? You're always invited on. You are always invited on. You are always invited on. But you always try to keep me on like way longer. Beep, beep, beep.

All right, back to the questions. Back to the questions. Do you feel like you make Jelly insecure based off of your explicit content? I've been getting this a lot lately because we are TikTok famous now. We're TikTokers. Thanks to your wife

because I put in a lot of work over there. Chachi deserves a bed. If he's going to be in that corner, you need to get him a bed. Oh my God. I just looked over and Chachi's looking at me. He's agreeing. He's agreeing.

Go see your daddy. Go see daddy. So now that we're on a different platform where a lot of people who didn't really know us are finding us. And it's been interesting, to say the least. Bring on the fat jokes. Shit, I'm a fucking gold digger. I've got too much plastic surgery.

You wouldn't be a gold digger if I had a six pack. I have too much plastic surgery. Fuck it. You name it. I get it all all over there but uh the number one thing that people do ask me over there is like don't you feel like you should save this for your husband and i'm like my husband is the one who fucking pushes it out there like you know they don't understand the the agreement he's so in love with this dog

well the funny part is how you told him to come over, and he listened. I just love daddy. Good buddy. You love daddy. Yeah. That's my boy. So. No, I'm not.

Listen, here's the thing about that, right? I despise the judgment that you get, right? Of like, it's just a new era that we live in anyways you know like where a person can look at a person they know absolutely nothing about see a still image right and a picture is worth a thousand words but have a million words about that image right you know it's just immediately know, just what's your husband think about this? What do you, like, do y'all think I don't? First of all, do you think I'm that much of a fucking pushover that if I had a problem with it, we'd be together? Right.

Is that the clown y'all think I am by the picture I posted? Right. That I'm the fucking kind of cornball that just be over here sad every night that his wife posts half naked pictures just like, I wish she'd stop. I'd fucking leave. You know what I'm I'm saying like what are you talking about but I was telling Sav that you were the one who like pushed me to start when I first got with you we both had very minimal followings and I immediately was like hey man you could really take over that kind of shit like that's an area in which you could really exploit and you were so g back then and what you were doing was like you didn't like the publicity of anything you were fucking extremely discreet about everything so i was like dude this is like

an avenue that's wide open for you like you're tripping not to be doing that like you know and especially like me knowing your backstory and how you use your sexuality as a means of healing. It to me is no different than, you know, it's like, hey, buddy. To me, it's no different than if when people own that thing and turn it into something for them as a way of healing from anything. Right. Right. thing and turn it into something for them as a way of healing from anything right right it's like i know it's totally different but i was talking to a guy yesterday that wants me to speak in a cali sober rehab they're starting to actually put together rehab facilities where people are in smoking weed to get off heroin wow you know buddy where are you trying to go look at him

he's like hello welcome back you sexy motherfuckers but for me it's like you use it as a means of you know get down don't know that story get down get down chachi get down don't hurt yourself buddy yeah he knows he don't have an avenue that way there you go look at him there we go okay okay thank you no i it makes me so happy that you said that because it's like i have always thought that to myself like do you think my husband's a fucking punk like he's not yeah you know like if my husband and secondly do you think i'm not disrespectful of a bitch that if my husband wasn't cool if daddy says no it's no

it doesn't matter if I want it or not yeah to me it's just not even I just can't believe that that would be a thought in somebody's mind yeah I respect the question I guess but it's like dude it's not even don't please don't mistake either one of us for being a disrespectful or be corny yeah ever we would never be um let's see hold on a second sorry i didn't look through these before the other analogy would be if somebody looked at you like don't you feel disrespectful that your husband's depressed and you're such a good wife oh no bitch i'm depressed with him it's like well no i mean that's how he works through his shit well he writes sad songs and he's happy but how is he happy in your marriage and write such a sad yeah no i have i

actually have had people say that to me and I'm just like, I can't even wrap my brain around that thought process. So it's like, I just don't even. Yeah, it's just, but I mean, to me it's the same kind of thing. Like, yo, man, that's how he works through his shit. Like, let the man work through his shit

how he works through his shit. Yeah, for sure. How do you counteract self-destructive tendencies? I'm learning. I would love to give some really poetic response, but I am a piece of clay right now. I think we're all learning. That is remolding myself.

I am a sponge. I'm open for suggestions. Same. I can tell you one of the things that I try to do. Why are you waving at me? Did it really? That's wild. That is wild.

It's probably because we did back-to-back podcasts. It's all right. We still have these two, though. Yeah, that's all mine. Okay. Okay. I just see Mimi over there waving. Is everything okay?

It's because we did two two-hour podcasts, so the camera's probably like, what the hell? I just think, to me, it's about finding a way to, one, express yourself. I tell people immediately communication communicate get it off your chest don't live with it you know don't sit there and dwell in it the worst thing you can do is hold in negative thoughts you know like or just sit with them yourself and um what is he doing man just fucking party over here or what i can charge dude i think the worst thing you can do is keep um stuff like that to yourself

whenever i'm feeling really down i always go to you i'm like hey man i'm weird today don't i do that yeah oh yeah all the time i'm like i'm sorry i'm weird but i'm going through something right now either well whether it be my vitamins are fucking me up or i'm coming off of vitamins or i'm just having a really low day and i think that Krampus has showed up but you know what I think I've gotten better around my period though you used to be a just raging fucking bull my husband had to sit me down one time because I have like PMDD and I'm self-diagnosed by the way everything is self-diagnosed over here I like to think I'm a doctor but anyways fucking I was a fucking lunatic and finally jay was like listen i love you but you have got to get a grip you know and i think communication like you said is key whenever

you're going through something that's a crisis or even if you're just having a fucking bad day we're trying to get bailey to understand that you know like whenever bailey's having a bad day she'll tell me now she'll be like i just don't feel good today yeah it's all good yeah every day's not always rainbows and butterflies and hallmark cards and care bears and unicorn farts yeah what artists will you be touring with this year I'm still figuring it out yeah so I've been looking for support been talking to Savannah trying to see what that works it's like I've been talking to a band called Siler I want to bring somebody out with us. It's just such a dilemma when you're looking to

grow a business. Right. It's so hard to figure out and the internet era has changed that too, right? Because you've got artists who you know, it's like first of all, let me tell you something about let me, can I dive deep

with this for a second? Of course. Because this is like something I think people don't know. Yeah. I don't care who you're opening up for, it's shit money. Right, always. It's just part of the game. Dude, I remember when you and I first got together, when you were opening up for Cypress Hill and fucking doing that tour, you were getting like 150, 200 bucks a night.

I think it was like 300 to 500. Was it? I think it was 500, but it was literally one of my highest paying opening. I think it was to date. Right. The most money I ever got paid to open up for an artist. Right. I remember it was pennies. It was pennies. The boys were getting like $80

a night. For sure. That's what I meant. Like $50. Yeah it's like I mean dude and this was like Cypress fucking Hill their 25th anniversary or 20th anniversary, whatever it was. I mean, this was a big fucking deal. Yeah. And it's just like, and it's not because of the artist or the manager.

It's just the nature of the business. In a way, you have to pay your dues. You have to. But the problem is, you are like asking people, especially the way I tour weekends only it's gonna cost an artist yeah thousands of dollars to come out and do the shows every week yeah you know because you're not already out on the road it's like dude I did two yellow wolf tours yeah I remember those for equal or less money than I got for the cypress hill tour yeah that maybe that's what I was thinking of yeah you know that, that was it.

It was a couple hundred bucks one time. And it's like, that wasn't me. Yellow was my boy. Yeah. It wasn't. You guys are like family. Yeah. He wasn't selling enough tickets to like shit on me then.

You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like, you know, and it's like it's his first big headlining tour too. Like this is my first big headlining tour. We're taking buses. That's a lot of pressure too. Yeah. You're paying a big crew. Now you got to have an inner guy, a front of house guy.

You got to have a lighting director. Like the bigger the show, the more shit it takes to make the show big. So there's so little money. People like touring is where artists make their money. You're full of fucking shit. Unless they're selling out an arena, touring is not where artists make money. Merch is where they make their money. Merch is on tour.

But where they really make their money is just the ability to go connect with those people and build that brand and carry the music absolutely and i think that's worth more than anything just to be able to yeah so it's like connect with dude i opened up for icp once for a hundred dollars a night no this is how i divided the hundred bucks you ready for this i gave highlight 25 bucks okay i gave the other dude that was driving and getting us around a pj psycho jesus you met him down there before before him was big kid like 25 30 bucks a night i put 20 bucks in the gas tank and we tried to find a hotel within a 40 budget and so many nights we slept in the van. Oh, I believe it.

When I first got with you, your skin was crazy. So many nights I slept in a van. Like that old white conversion van, Bertha, you seen it? I slept in the back of that van. Me, dude. Hold on. We have to elaborate on Bertha. Bertha was the shit.

The first night I met. I love her. Hold on. The first night I met Jay. Don't on Bertha. Bertha was the shit. The first night I met. I love her. Hold on. The first night I met Jay. Don't disrespect Bertha. I'm not going to. I'm going to tell the truth. Though you be nice.

Fuck it. We're all in the green room. And he is just so proud of this van. And he is like, let's go out to the van and smoke. He's like trying to get everybody out to the van to smoke. And we're like, okay. That's where we smoked at was the van. Yeah.

So we go to this van and we walk up to it he opens the fucking thing and i'm severely ocd he knows that now being with me but he opens this fucking door i go inside and i sit down and i'm literally looking around and i'm like this looks like a fucking trash can. Like there was fucking crumbs, ashes, fucking used condoms, fucking, it was just crazy. Like just the filthiest. And it had like a mattress in it or something, didn't it? So the third row of this old Southern Comfort van

was a bench. There was two captains, four captains sharing a bench. And you could push the button and the bench would lay down into a bed like a futon. it would take up the what would it would touch the back two seats and the back would touch the back door so you couldn't store nothing back there when i tell you he was proud he was proud i had to get out of it it gave me such anxiety i got out of it when sat in my car we lived in it for years dude you got to realize for us it wasn't even about being proud it was comfort right like it was what we

knew no but that just goes to show how far you've come oh for sure this was our it looked like a piece like it was weird i slept in the back of that there was a tour one time we were talking about tonight god rest his soul me big mike scary larry and bob the hippie we were the four people on the tour the four months that was iters. That was it. Bob drove, Scary Soul Merch, Big Mike was my DJ slash security because Highlight

was doing a shitty bang, a shitty bang tour that I'd hooked up with him through Anthony Martini. And we literally went and did his tour

with Haystack. In the back of his van it was the four of us. Yeah. I was just the third row. I just kept down asleep. I just fucking sipped lean all night, took Xanax and slept in the back of the van.

That's how Jay and I bonded, just so you guys know. He used to always, like, I was dating one of the guys that he was on tour with. And I was watching them play and he would come up to me and be like, hey, you got a Xanax. Yeah, true story. I'm like, you got a Xanax? Yep. I'd give him a Xanax. And he was just so sad.

You were so sad. I remember you just had the saddest eyes in the room. Wouldn't talk to anybody. You were so mean. I was just like, God, I want him. I was living in a van for 300 days a year. My type. I was like a pissed off homeless person.

Yeah, just fucking angry. Fucking slept in a van all the time. But that was said to say that it's like opening is just a thing. But it's also the internet has changed everything too because artists are able to build careers on the internet. The other problem is artists haven't, like Savannah, she's here.

So she's a great example. She hasn't seen what she can do hard ticket wise yet. So fuck me right me to the side because that's my sister she worked to submit for somebody else's tour yeah but for me it's like savannah say she submits for let me pick a friend of mine that's just a random in the music business russell dickerson great guy even all these people i've never heard of sweethearts they're music guys they're country music guys, and she submits for his tour. And first thing the booking agent goes is, well, how many tickets have you sold?

And Savannah goes, well, I haven't sold, you know, I've done a few hundred tickets here in Florida. I've sold out a couple hometown shows. Did this, that, and the third. They're like, well, send us a market by market analysis. And Savannah's like, well, I don't got one yet. But I got fucking hundreds of thousands of subscribers on youtube tens of millions of views millions and millions of streams but the booking agent is still going to go oh that's cool

but has it provenly transferred into a hard ticket by the paper yeah so it's like they're going to send her the most up offer ever even though she can go sell the out of tickets yeah because they're like prove it then how about don't do this tour go do she can go sell the fuck out of tickets yeah because they're like prove it then how about don't do this tour go do your own tour sell the tickets and then send us that and we'll give it to you and then where the fucker is she'll go out and sell three four hundred tickets a night and then send it to him and i'll be like oh we can't afford you so just keep doing your own thing the music business is so it's just it's just the nature of the beast right it's just the it's just how the fucking business works and it's just it's whack but it's like it's called building a hard ticket presence you know what i mean it's

like we're doing it now like festivals a couple of festivals we didn't play this year that we played before is because those festivals were like look man go prove to us what you can do in this market without the festival now and i I'm like, game on, bitch. Yeah. Well, look at me now. Yeah, well, let's go see. Look at me now. And now when they call next year, then we get to go,

well, we sold 5,000 tickets in that market by ourselves four months in advance. I want stage, 10 p.m., stage one. Yeah, I want direct support for Slipknot that night for X amount of dollars. It's how it's supposed to work. So it's just building. Rapport.

Yeah, it's just building the business. So like the same way that an artist, and I'm just using Savannah cause she's our family and she's sitting here the same way an artist like Savannah built her business on YouTube. It's so stupid. Now she's got to go build a tour. Right. So she's got to be able to come back and go,

okay, I did these hard tickets by myself. I also opened up a jelly roll tour. I opened up a Russell Dickerson tour. Then I did these tickets by myself and they'll have a jelly roll tour i opened up a russell dickerson tour then i did these tickets by myself and they'll have a repertoire of what she's done yeah it's like a resume it's like a musician's resume for crazy it's like i'm proud to say that i opened up for twisted i'm proud to say i opened up for cypress hill i'm proud to say i opened up for yellow wolf i'm proud to say i opened up for icp i'm proud to say i opened up for mushroom head

i'm proud to say i was a part of these tours you know what i mean and very very. I'm proud to say I opened up for Mushroomhead. I'm proud to say I was a part of these tours. You know what I mean? Very, very little. I'm proud to say I opened up for Uncle Cracker. Very little money, but they all built towards what I can say now. You know what I mean? Yep, totally. And now look at you fucking selling out. And listen, make no mistake. I say this all the time.

And I know we got people that watch this. If Kid Rock calls me tomorrow and says, hey man, I'm doing a show, a tour next year. I want you to be my direct support act.

I would say yes. And he'd go, well hold on, let my management call and tell you how much money it is. I'd say, I don't care. I don't care.

No, you would. I've definitely witnessed you. Brantley Gilbert. Kid Rock and Brantley, y'all are the two. Either one of y'all holler at your boy, I'm coming. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm there. Kid rocking Brantley, y'all are the two. Either one of y'all holler at your boy, I'm coming.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm there. I'm not thinking twice about it. There's a few other acts I can name, but I won't. They could call me right now and I don't care the money.

Yeah. Shine down. Wouldn't ask for the money. If Zach Myers, good friend of mine, called me right now and said, hey man,

I want to talk to you about that. What about motionless and white? I'd tell him, come fuck my wife. I'd say, I'll do the talk. that off that sledgehammer that's a great way to end it i love you baby thank you so much for coming to this podcast thank you for making time for small fries like oh really that's what i did rewind clip insert you never get invited here i love you so much why don't you tell everybody Thank you for making time for small fries like me. Oh, really? That's what I did.

Rewind clip, insert. You never get a bite in here. I love you so much. Why don't you tell everybody goodbye and we'll see them next time. Thanks again for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde with your host, Jelly Roll, and my guest today, Bunny Deford. We'll see y'all next time. Bye.