Dumb Blonde - Jon Bon Jovi: Resilience, Family, and Rock ’n’ Roll

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

This week, Bunnie Xo sits down with the legendary Jon Bon Jovi for a conversation that spans his remarkable career and personal journey. He reflects on his new documentary Thank You, Goodnight, tracing his path from humble beginnings in Asbury Park to international stardom. Bon Jovi opens up about the challenges of vocal surgery, the resilience shaped by his parents’ influence, and his bond with Bruce Springsteen.He also teases his upcoming album Bon Jovi Forever, packed with exciting collaborations, and shares his hopes for a future tour. Beyond the music, Jon speaks with deep pride about his wife Dorothea, their children, and the joy that family and support have brought him throughout his life.Jon Bon Jovi: WebsiteWatch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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rock and roll hall of fame he's not just a rock star he's john freaking bon jovie thank you babe what an intro. Listen, you have done so many interviews. I was so nervous because I was just like, what do you ask a man who has had thousands upon thousands of interviews and has been asked every question that you could possibly ask them, you know? Yeah. We'll find a lot to talk about. Oh, I did. I dug. I watched, I watched your documentary. It's called Thank You Good Night. Yes. Extremely moving documentary. The highs, the lows. I mean, I was cheering. I was crying I was pissed off at the manager like there was a lot of stuff going on and I was just like this is such a beautiful testament to your life like when you look back at that documentary you have to

feel nothing but just absolute pride thank you I saw Gotham shopper last night who I haven't seen in quite a while and I'm proud of the piece and I think the goal is to be proud of the piece in 10 more years from now, you know, but at this moment in time, I think it encapsulized that 40 years and that he got the truth, the unvarnished, not glossy hurt. And, you know, and then the joy. He did an amazing job of just showing your story. And, you know, as I was watching it, there were so many things about you that just captivated me. And I know, that people have told you that throughout the years. But I just saw a man that was so tenacious that was willing to do anything that he could to make it to where you are today. And then I thought

to myself, because I could see like your low points too. And I was just like, where does this man draw joy from? You know, after accomplishing so much in this world, like, it's got to be hard after all of these goals that you have accomplished to just have joy for them and to find joy. where do you find it that's a very good question and one that i probably couldn't answer in 2030 40s that um it's after 60 that i started to think about that because i think when i was coming up and growing up and fighting for our place it was always nose to the grindstone looking straight down never taking the time to look at the beautiful clouds in the sky guy, if you know what I mean, metaphorically speaking. And I was really guilty of that. But it was

like the part of me that wouldn't accept the success. The part of me that was afraid of losing the success. The part of me that, you know, as a businessman realized how hard it is to get it so you have to keep it and that even if you know it's the contributions of others really mattered the truth was unless i was driving the car we were never going to get there so it you know i had to work two shifts and then on more than one occasion throughout the four decades i would burn out and i'm still trying desperately now in this vocal comeback to only do it if I have joy. If it's work, I really don't want to do it. How will you know?

I unfortunately don't. So you won't know until you walk back on that stage. Yeah. And then it becomes the yin and the yang of it. I love the idea of performing. If I'm healthy, nothing better and like I say in the dock if you realize during the that short tour in 22 where I basically tried to will it back into existence not knowing that the surgery was just not an option

it was a necessity um literally every word of every song I was singing but my brain was saying yes no yes no yes no good not good yes no yes no yes yes yes yes yes yes every note of every song. It was killing me. It was a battle. It was a terrible battle. I was going to wait till later on in the interview, but let's talk about this journey that you've been going on

with your vocal cords. For people who are just tuning in and not maybe even knowing about the journey or not even having watched the documentary, you just went through a serious surgery to have your vocal cords repaired because one of them was an atrophy. Yeah.

Which for somebody who doesn't drink, somebody who doesn't smoke, somebody who literally lived their life, preserving their vocal cords, the one thing that you cherished and babied is being taken from you. Can you take me on that journey? It's a long talk. Yeah. But in truth, and in the short Reader's Digest version, it started 2014. I wasn't aware of it It was trauma By 2015

It just wasn't working right And I wasn't quite sure When you say trauma Is it from not warming up properly No it was it was ancillary things Like Business and relationship You know Richie leaving the band

You know Which we'll get to that A big business deal I wanted to do the record You know contract There was a lot of business on my head As well as personal toil Hence the grain

No, but you're a silver fox, you know, and you know it too. By that point, I just said, fuck it. I'm going to have gray hair and it's cool with me. I don't want to pretend it's something I'm not. Jay has a little gray hair in his beard and I'm like, grow it out by salt and pepper king, do it, baby. Well, he may live as a regrettable when you get on the other side. No, my dad was a musician and he dyed his hair black until the day that he passed away.

And it just starts looking weird at a certain point. Right. And that's what any logical, you know, So you're doing the right thing. Well, this started to happen in 15 and I couldn't really understand why. And in 16 and we did a short, much shorter tour on an album called This House is Not For Sale, which was very successful and it was the number one record and all that kind of good stuff. But something was still going on. So that by the time I got to 22 and now it's COVID and the world shuts down, I'm just saying,

okay, I can wheel this thing back. And it just got to a point where I came off that stage in Nashville that night. And I said to Dorothy, it was good. And she goes, it wasn't good. And she's the only one on the planet that I know is not going to bullshit me. You're either surrounded by yes men or people that are getting paid or a fan or somebody that wants you to be good. Yes. You know, you do your best.

But who's, you know, the confessional box, it's her. or she's going to tell you, sorry, it didn't work. So I ran to the doctor. I drove myself to the hospital. And that's how eager I was to start this journey. I didn't know it was going to be three plus years of recovery. I can tell you that honestly, you know, I'm singing really well, but something can trip the wire and take me down the rabbit hole.

How is that mentally on your soul? Like, is that just like so. like your voice has always been your prized possession so to have to one get a surgery that has taken you three years to recover from that brutally also because you've talked about all the holistic ways that you've tried to heal it you have done everything you can and at this point it's pretty much in God's hands right does that scare you or are you so content at now with everything that you've accomplished that you're able to be able to sit down and maybe sit this one out if you had to.

I can absolutely, with conviction, tell you that if I, if I didn't perform again, my legacy set. I'm cool with it. Oh, for sure. I'm fine. You're John Bon Jovi. I'm good. You know, we were an awesome live band.

We've sold a lot of records. I'm good. I'm good. But spiritually. I don't need the applause. I don't yearn for the applause. I never was that guy. I know a lot of performers who don't like to sit at home with their loved

ones and you know live for a suitcase not me so i'd be totally fine with that the only bitch that i had in this process was okay god you took it away why you know let's fight to get it back because there could be some great joy and light that i could shine and in you know was reciprocated from that that audience that hears that but um only if it's that And if it's not, it's not because of the applause. It's not because of the money. It's not because of the fame. I'll miss that, but I don't need that.

I don't care. I really don't care. So you'd be okay with like just diving into like, would you ever just relax? Because one thing I've, do you know how to relax? Because one thing I've noticed in the documentary and just knowing your hustle just from being in the music industry with my husband is you are a go getter. Like you don't sit down. Like, do you know how to eat?

even relax. I was a go-getter. When I first met Jellie, I loved what I heard on the record. Then I saw the man perform. Then I got to meet him. But then one of the first things we did was I interviewed him for interview magazine. And in the magazine, I said to him, don't do too much. Don't go chasing every rainbow because you're going to burn out and you won't even know you're burned out. And in my youth, I was absolutely doing that. And that is my fear for him still today. He's jelly, don't do too much. We need you to talk to him again because he, I tell him that all the time.

I'm like, babe, please, like, just sit down. He's established. He's a big star. He's done it. He's proved it. He's an inspiration to millions of people. You don't have to chase every feature. You don't have to do every show.

Go and chill for two years. I have absolutely learned how to do that out of necessity, but also because it's that place in life. Right. Your 20s or 30s or 40s or 50s or 60s are different chapters. Right. You know, and this chapter is a different chapter. In the opening of the documentary, you're going through hundreds of videos, like VHSs, not even just videos. VHSs, cassette tapes.

Like this generation of kids never could even understand or fathom the joy. of being able to like record your own radio songs and like I don't know it's just a different like yeah different era would you ever consider releasing some of those songs you are oh yeah yeah yeah we're in the midst of it we have a serious radio channel that we slip them into and you know record companies just don't mean what they used to and so because I have I don't know 40 or 50 songs that I forgot right that you know we could put out on on records they were just leaking them out this way because the record company is what they are. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those that we did, we archived everything, the clothes, the trophies to the notebooks, to the cassettes, to the, because at 40 years you had to. Or let's say we wanted to. To be so ahead of your time, to know to save all of that stuff and to just like, your mind is magical. Like, it really is so cool, like how just smart you are and just how business savvy, like, it's really insane.

You're almost like kind of like an Einstein when it comes to the music industry. Not true. Definitely a trendsetter, though, because you were doing a lot of things before people were doing it. Yes. It is the norm now to be your, you know, own your masters and be yourself managed

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after you place your order be sure to let them know i sent you select a podcast in the survey and be sure to select dumb blonde podcast and the drop down menu that follows but even starting your own management company like back then also like no no artist was doing that like you literally have always just been kind of like the pioneer of like what people should be doing thank you that's a very kind way to put it i think it was born out of not necessity it was born out of my witnessing that people could do the job well and get paid for the job, but who was going to be more passionate than you? Right.

Who's going to care more? Exactly. And we couldn't find that guy that was going to care more. So starting BJM was advantageous. It's amazing. So let's take it back for like the younger generation that listens to my podcast. And let's go all the way back to. to New Jersey, where you were born.

And let's talk about your household that you grew up in because your mom was a florist, but I just learned a really cool detail that your mom was actually also one of the original playboy bunnies. Like, how cool is that? Let me compound it. My mother and father met in the Marines. Oh, my gosh. She was like the poster girl in the Marine Corps.

Oh, you know, and so they met as Marines. And she ran away, well, didn't run away, but she couldn't wait to enlist and said that the Marine Corps was nothing compared to her childhood. So she went and joined the Marines. Wow. Meets my pop. That's a hell of a woman. And then she becomes a bunny after.

So she's married. I don't think I'm born yet, or I was just born. and with Lauren Hutton and Diane Lane, the actress's mother, and a woman whose husband was Scott Muni, who's a legendary DJ in New York from back in the day. They were all like the original Playboy bunnies in the club on 57th 8th Street in Manhattan. That's such a piece of lore that people would not know about you.

That's amazing. Yeah, that's cool. I've seen pictures of her like, you know, with Sinatra and the whole thing with my, my dad there and my uncle's there and, you know, all hanging out in the Playboy Club. That's so cool. I was just about to say, like, for your dad to let your mom shine like that, too, especially back in that era, though, like, housewives were not being Playboy Bunny.

It's 1961, two, three, yeah. Yeah. So it was like, you know, for your dad to be like, go ahead, you know, let's go. Like, that's awesome. But also, your dad was a hairdresser too, right? Yes. Did he do your hair? Sure.

Okay. I had to ask because I saw a couple interviews really, you said you did it. And I was like, there's no way he was cutting his hair like that. Well, there was a, you know, what year are we talking about? I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha. In the beginning. Of course. Okay.

So he's the one who originated the long hair. Well, as much as I'd love to give him credit for that, it was a decade. It was the 80s. He was good at what he did. But that was the decade. That was the look. But yes, my dad was a hairdresser. And he did do my haircuts early on, absolutely.

And then who started doing him after you? You didn't really bring his head. Oh, you hired a hot girl. There you go. He was like, I had to have a hot hairdresser. So let's talk about how you got into music because you didn't grow up in a musical household. No. It was a very unlikely person that inspired you, which I thought was really cool.

Can we talk about that? Sure. Like any kid, you want to be a baseball player, an astronaut, or a rock and roll star, right? And you know, it's a simple dreams for simpler time. And like any other kid, I was strumming a broomstick, and a guy moved in across the street. And he was the hip young parent. And he offered to give me a guitar lesson to teach me what a, you know, a song structure was in playing a cover song or two. And I did not pay attention.

I wasn't a very good student until he yelled at me. and when he yelled at me he said don't waste my fucking time it was sort of what i needed because that's what made me go home and learn the song to come back the next week and the guy didn't give guitar lessons he was just a hardworking um he was an architect and uh or a designer something kind of engineer and um and he played in the lounge band on the weekends but to me that was a band right and um and so he taught me and he taught another young boy in the neighborhood who started a band called Skid Row that came after us. But so two guys went on to make records and sell a lot of records.

Wow. And he only had three students ever. That's amazing. So he was a sweetheart of a guy. He died far too young. He died, um, 30 years ago. Um, so he died young. And, uh, did he pass before he got to see your journey?

No, no, no, 95. So we were like 11 years into making records. Okay, cool. No, no, he was there to witness a lot of it. That's so special. Yeah, sweet guy. One of the traits that I've noticed about you, too, is that you bring people with you. I love that about you, like people from your past or, like, people that you grew up with.

Like, you always try to bring them with you or, like, involve them in some way in your life or, like, you know, just in your business even. And I think that's such an admirable trait. Well, they, there are. number that are still around yeah i mean my my my brother's behind you um young louis over there my assistant and right hand man uh my best friend ovi o'brien since before i made records when i was like 18 years old he still are recording engineer so there are still a number of them around um which is which is good and you know also the loyalty of tico and of dave and of hugh mcdonald and those guys that were here forever and through this three years and you know sitting in rehearsals when it was painful for me to

try to work these last three years but they were there and it's greatly appreciated you remind me so much of my husband like there's so many similarities between you and him I thought so yeah you guys are definitely kindred souls I think so yeah definitely except he throws his phones away and doesn't get back to me but I won't take that person all you have to do is text me I'm going to get your number But now because this way I'll get a hold of the son of a bitch. Anybody who wants to get a hold. I knew not to be offended. Never.

Anybody who wants to get a hold of my husband always talks to me and I get it straight to him and he always responds right away. But he really does stay off his phone so much. That's good. I had said this earlier, but, you know, watching the documentary, I had found so many traits of you that I just absolutely adored and one of them was your tenacity. Where do you think that hunger and that for just life came from? because that's not something that can be taught.

That's something that's instilled in you. Dorothy, it says in the dark, you know, I would will things to happen. Manifesting. And I think that it largely came from my parents, if only because, and this isn't to be wise cracker about it, the drinking age in New Jersey was 18.

So you could be 16 and 17 and sneak into a club. At that time, didn't have a lot of responsibility. And so, you know, you could play in a bar. While I was cutting my teeth playing in those bars under age, I started to get good enough to at least where my parents said, okay, if you're going to be at a bar until two in the morning on a school night, at least we know where you are. Right.

And we know that you're doing this with a goal in mind. So it's good to have had their support. And then, you know, truthfully, as I sit here at 63 years old, I can tell you now that I realize like my mother would be the one to say this is the smart decision learn about this i would tell her an influence and she'd say well that's nice but listen to your influence is influence and to say that to a young kid you go oh right yeah you know and that's where you learned like history of music absolutely some stuff like that that was really important yeah no but it look where it got you underaged clubs that you were playing in and drinking in. Let's go to Asbury Park. My father is actually

from Kew Gardens, Queens, and we grew up with a mad respect for Asbury Park because he played out there also. Tell me about your relationship with Bruce Springsteen and meeting him for the first time and just getting involved in that whole area. Well, if you're from here, that's the Mount Rushmore of the rock and roll scene in New Jersey. Obviously, there's Frank Sinatra who would be, you know, God, but, you know, Bruce would certainly be George Washington and, you know, and Mount Rushmore. I love that you put Frank Sinatra as God over like yourself and Bruce Springsteen and stuff. No, no, no, no. I'm nothing more than, you know, the next generation or the prince, as I say, you know. He's there, Bruce is the king. Yeah. No, no, no, no. First and foremost, so Bruce was what put

New Jersey rock and roll as we know it, not Frankie Valley. And, you know. And, you know, and, not going back to Frank Sinatra at the Bobby Soxas, but contemporary rock and roll, early 70s. Yes. Put it on the map. And so if his first record was 1973, I was only 11 years old. But by the time that 79, 78, 79, I was sneaking in those clubs.

So also, there were seven members of the East Street band. There were 10 members of the Asbury Jukes. so chances are one of 17 was going to be in the bar to see you play and you would meet them and you would befriend them or they would mentor you or you could just stand there in awe of them so you know it was pretty neat to see your heroes in person because when the posters on my wall were led zeppelin or you know acDC or the kinks or something that was was impossible it was a poster 25 miles south of my house was in the day we headed out on the streets of our own right that was down the street right you know when he talks about sort of the highway nine that was out my window so that made the impossible possible and and that was very inspirational because you thought you could make the impossible possible and so the years go on of course we meet of course we get to know each other a little bit as our relationship goes on and he's one of what

two celebrities in the in the whole four-part doc he and south side johnny um because they were so influential to me as as as a kid and johnny produced some of the first demos i ever did where bruce jumps up on stage with me when the next morning i go to high school that's insane like what a story to tell you know when you're telling your teacher i got a big bigger plans. Yeah. Like, I don't even need to be here. Well, it was a dumb way to be, you know, to behave, even though, you know, in retrospect,

you could or should have been, but. Youth. It was a great story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, and pictures to prove it. So, you know, as we've grown and grown up and he's been a big brother now, even at this point in my life. He's so supportive.

We're very close. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. It was beautiful to see. surprised to see him in the documentary, which I don't know why, because you guys are New Jersey boys, but it was just really cool to see. And it just reminded me of a really cool time in music that I wish we could go back to. Very special time here, because the scene down there also

supported original music, which was not like anywhere else. Nashville, I came to know 10 years later, obviously, you know, fostered songwriting. And I always say about Nashville. Now, Those are my people. But here in Asbury, they encouraged you to write your own stuff and play original music. And they supported it, which was what it's all about. Let's talk about writing your own music because before you did start, I mean, you've always written your own music, but you had a cover band named Atlantic City Expressway. And there was how many members were there?

Ten, because I noticed there was a trend. Everybody had big groups back there. Yeah. Is that what that was? Yeah, I had five horns. Yeah. Do you, and do you still have horns? No. No, you got rid of them. No, no, no, no, no. No. But back in the day, in truth, I was emulating Southside Johnny. We got you. They were just such inspirations to me. There's a sign over your shoulder that, you know, the cameras probably don't see, but see the reflection. It is the cover of their fourth album called The Jukes. And as that sat in a warehouse, Johnny said, you can have it. So that's what that's what that is. But I was playing R&B and soul music and Asbury Juke music and Bruce music and a little bit of rock and roll that would work with horns. But I was 18. I'm playing in a nightclub one night. I'm opening for a band that to me came off like the Muppet version of the East Street band. And I know even at 18, I am the Muppets of the Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.

And the guy comes into my dressing and goes, you know, Johnny, I know everyone says you pretty good. Well, you should be like me. And I'm thinking to myself, you're trying to sound like Bruce. You look like Bruce. There's only one Bruce. I know I'm 18, but I'm not dumb. I looked at my own band.

I said, I quit. And I walked out of my own band. And I went and I asked the guy that had an original band. You need a singer. I could be your guy. I want to be in an original band. And from there, I started to learn the process of writing. initially from him and then started doing it more and more and more because that band was

very short-lived but i i knew to get the hell out of being in the muppets but how cool is that that you knew the trajectory of what you wanted you were like you know what i'm singing cover songs i'm about to just go and be my own person and then you went and you got a job at a radio station a recording studio i'm so sorry i was a gopher it went and got a job there but then you got to see so many iconic legends like Aerosmith and tons of other people. The Stones. Diana Ross. Just so many other people.

And you got to learn kind of your chops from them. Like you soaked up everything that you could in that recording studio. Well, I did what I could because when you're the gopher, you're asked to bring the beer and the burgers in and then to leave. But what I remember the biggest thing that I learned then and there was the bigger the star, the nicer the person no it was the people that were the b and the c players who usually acted as such you know and mc jagger and keith richards were unbelievably cool dude that's so cool you know and little stephen and the east street band obviously knew me and were we're incredibly cool there were people

that were on the b and the c and that they didn't no longer exist that would absolutely demean you know the burger's cold and the beer's warm you know just man i got as quick as i could That kind of stuff. So while I was really nothing more than the gopher, I was cutting demos late at night and on weekends and figuring it out. Going to a radio station was revolutionary. That to me was the brilliance because I thought, who's the loneliest man in the music business is a DJ?

Who loves music more than a DJ? If he doesn't have an audience, he doesn't have anybody with him, he's been telling you about something. And that's all he's doing. He doesn't even know he's talking to. And I was fortunate enough to go to this radio station that was so new they didn't have a receptionist. So you just got back from your summer vacation. Maybe you might have even had to book two hotel rooms because of your loud snoring?

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And I said, I know, but no one will get back to me. they put it on the radio in New York and then we see it I got a record you that's amazing the I actually had a question about the song runaway because that is my favorite song of yours it resonates with me so much because of a former life that I had and you said in the documentary that you wrote it about the working girls on the street did you ever talk to any of those girls yeah small talk because we'd be you know in the bus station you know you're um I knew I had the good fortune of having come from a home with two parents and you know i was taking that bus just to walk 15 blocks up to the studio i you know i wasn't hanging out at the greyhound station i was coming in a

mass transit and walking up to the studio so i would talk to the boys and the girls and then you know ended up supporting covenant house for example around the block years later because of the stories i would hear you know or the tricks that you knew new york was pretty seedy at the time you know um And that inspired the song. I think it's awesome. Yeah, because I got to walk north and they weren't. Yeah, I never knew the lure of that song or why it resonated so much with me, even as a child. And it was just like, it's crazy that, you know, the trajectory of my life that it took.

So you literally took this cassette tape and put it in the hands of people. And it got into the hands of the right person from, it was it WAPP, radio. station and they're the ones that started playing it and then your career just starts taking off from here. Yeah. How do you feel in this moment? Because you've been working so hard since you were you know, a kid pretty much trying to get to this moment. Are you happy or do you just want more? Well, you didn't know what more was. You were happy, but of course you wanted more because I don't think in the moment anyone celebrates you or it right because you know you're in the midst of signing a record deal you're in the midst of releasing a record you're in the midst of being out there in the

world but you're a support actor or you're playing in a club with your first record so none of it really catches up to you for a while and I was absolutely guilty like I said as we started the interview of looking at my shoes too focused on tomorrow tomorrow right to enjoy the today's by the time we the slippery when wet which really was a you know historically big record i should have truly been taking it in and i was not you know it was the burnout that all came with it because he was so anxious to do it again to prove it again to you know how do i think top this oh my god i wouldn't you can't yes i can't it was murder but that's okay i think at 25 26 you should still have that fire and piss and vinegar.

Yeah, absolutely. That's a great analogy. Let's talk about your relationship with Richie Sambora because he comes on the scene after you guys meet and you bring him into the band. I just feel like there is so much love between you guys and you've always been so diplomatic in your answers with him and I really respect that.

But there's also another side of competitiveness and more on his side of each, ego possibly and I don't you know I don't know the man so I'm just saying what I see um take me on that journey with you guys as complex relationship through the years if you can I will try to do my best the great thing that I have said about him throughout our lives was you would be lucky to call him your friend and I mean that um talented beyond beyond uh as a guitar player as a singer as a collaborator. Wonderful.

Right-hand man. Awesome. Couldn't ask for more. I was not competitive because it's my band. And I don't think I ever saw that, to be honest. Yeah. My heartbreak with him is the way he walked out on us. right compounded by the fact that it took him years to come back in the room just to have a meal

with tico and david and i and say i'm sorry um it's unfortunate it's heartbreaking but if what he wanted was to be you know just richie sambora not a member of bon jovi do it i always encouraged all of my guys because you know just my attitude was bring the information back that you learn outside it'll only help us and share it yeah and so for whatever reason you know he walked out and then that was that but i can't defend or or accuse in any and it's just not worth it anymore absolutely it's been so many years i just you know if you can't think you get it together then it's not on us right i love the man heartbroken and that he walked out on us.

Yes. That's the best thing I say. Absolutely. I feel like you were the glue that held the band together. Like you, that's got to be so much pressure on just one human to be, wear all of the hats and then also have to like make sure everybody's okay. Because like you weren't drinking, you weren't doing drugs, you weren't doing the partying. But it seems like as the band progressed and everybody, you know, started, you know, making a lot

more money and getting more fame, the vices started coming. And that had been pretty heavy for you to have to try to hold everybody together. I don't deserve all the credit either. I absolutely don't. I really don't. It was a team effort, truly, always. Richie's contributions could never be discounted. And therefore, David and Tico and the poor ghost of Hugh McDonnell. because he wasn't even credited as the bass player for many years while he really was because Alec wasn't in physical shape. So everybody's contributions is why this worked. I don't deserve that.

But somebody had to be the quarterback on the team. That's really what I, the credit I will take, is that I was driving the car. So I would keep things, focused, but couldn't have done it without everyone's contributions. I love how humble you are, and you're just always... It's just truth. Yeah.

I don't deserve any more credit than that. It was the sum of the parts made for the whole. I adore that about you. Playing Madison Square Garden for the first time, it didn't go exactly as planned, and you're up there, scared shitless, but still rocking it. Was there any other time? in your career that you had, that you were just as scared as you were in that moment? I was too dumb to be scared.

Oh, gosh. That night. I do remember it like it was yesterday, which is funny because you know how it is. You can't remember something from last week, but you can remember something from 40, three years ago. We were on the stage, Madison Square Garden. The promoter of the show wanted to be our manager and his play was, look i can always get you work coming open for zzzi top madison square garden we're given a 30 minute

opportunity before the record comes out but it's finished other managers all fly in scurrying to try to keep up with this one we take the stage richie's guitar doesn't work so i have mine on and i have to go okay think quick give him mine and let's go so now a 30 minute set becomes 17 minutes because we played like the Ramones. Fastest set of all times. I don't think we were scared. I think we were excited. I think I can remember the crowd chanting ZZ Top.

But I can remember with my bar band Chops, none of us were afraid of the moment. We knew how to handle a heckler. We knew how to sing the songs. It was just twice as fast. Right. And I do remember that we probably had more people backstage than anyone ever at Madison Square Garden.

You know, like we got yelled at it was your first time. How excited. I think we did that too whenever Jay first played Madison Square Garden. I think you just, you're so excited. You just want to show everybody in your family like, look, I made it. I'm sold out Madison Square Garden. Yeah. No, that's amazing.

Slippery when wet. You named the album after a strip club shower. True. Did you ever find yourself in that shower? No, they would never let a guy up in that stage. Tell me about the shower. Vancouver was the Wild West. It was an amazing moment in time.

This jewel of a city before Internet, before cell phones, before fax machines. There was no direct flights there. So this was, you know, not the Wild West, but it was a long way away. And the producer of that album, our third album, was willing to do the record if we would consent to come there. Well, we were all single. We were young.

We didn't have houses or anything still. We were like, sure. Okay, we'll go there. We didn't realize also the city was blossoming. It was coming into its own. It had the World Expo there at the time. And one of the fun things was all the bars. were fully nude, they were busy because you'd go there for lunch. You could eat good food

in there. And one of the traits at this one place called the number five orange was that the gals would jump into a shower at the end of each of their sets and soap up. And when the album was originally called Wanted Dead Are Alive, we shot a cover, all having grown beards and mustaches. So I looked like jelly, right? I had a beard and a mustache, and we had dusters on, which came down to the ground, and we looked like, you know, the silly cowboy gang. And the record company flew up, and they saw the photographs. And basically the PR lady said, over my dead body.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Everyone's shaving. She's looking at me. I'm too dumb to know better. She's like, oh, no, no, no, no. Cute boy, go shave that shit off your face. I thought you looked great with a beard. I actually thought it was hot whenever they showed the pictures in the documentary.

In 1986, it was not going to fly for this third album. They wanted that baby face. And wanted that or alive was not going to be it. So we jokingly said that, you know, the roadside on the way up there, slippery when wet, was where the title came from, but it really was this. And we then shot a second cover. In this day and age before fax machines or internet, they saw, sent me a cropped photo the girl that we found on the beach the photographer found on the beach was shot

from her bottom lip down to above her navel okay it's her boobs but she had a t-shirt on and the glass was soaked up apparently the pmrc at the time we're going to go nuclear and not allow this to happen so they were like no and when they sent me the copy and i was it didn't it the cover wasn't working for me anyhow. It was all blue because Xerox would send you a copy, but it was one color. It was varying shades of blue. And I said, I don't get this cropping. And by the way, what colors are the album cover? He says, it's the colors of the picture, but it's hot pink around the entire border to match her lipstick. And all I could think was this was career suicide. And I won't name the artist, but there was a video of an artist who at the time was crawling around in pink sheets on the MTV video

and he was a headliner in arenas and he was done right the next day and I was like this will kill our career the company said you give love of bad names already on the radio we've printed a half a million copies this album's going out and I said it is not going out and they said if we don't have an album cover tomorrow thinking that I couldn't go up on an album cover photographer and I went into his studio, we took a hefty garbage bag, sprayed it with water. I wrote with my finger, slippery one wet, and I said, turn it in. And I said, if it's good enough for back and black, it's good enough for Bon Jovi. Black album cover. Boom. It's like one of the most iconic album covers ever. Crazy. A garbage bag. It's insane, right? A garbage bag. Because they didn't have pictures.

That's why there's only a teeny little picture of us on the river here. And the picture inside was the driveway of my apartment building, which was just everyone hanging out on the beach. Isn't it crazy? You can try so hard to make an album cover, and then when you don't try, it just goes completely viral, which viral wasn't a thing back then,

but you were viral. It was a pretty rotten album cover, but it was a very big record. It was an amazing album. It was an amazing album, but it shoulda, coulda. I've never been very good at album covers. I think you've done just fine in your life.

with album covers. So during all of this, you are literally just becoming this rock star icon. You are with Dorothea. And you guys are high school sweethearts. How did you guys navigate all of these emotions as you're climbing high to rock star status? Well, the key at the end of the day

is that we navigate. it together because we were 18 in high school she's seen every aspect of this and you know when I was playing in the bar playing cover band music to being in an original band to having my own original band like all the way up the ladder therefore nothing was going to be a surprise to her because we were living it together um you know I was in in a rock band but we were at that age together So it, nothing was deeper than the connection that we had. Right. You know, that's really what mattered.

You guys did have a brief breakup in 1985. Can we touch base on that respectfully? Yeah. You guys had a brief breakup and you started dating Diane Lane, which you mentioned earlier. Diane Lane's mom was a bunny with your mom. Correct. So is that the connection that you guys? No, no, no, no.

You never even knew. We met through a guy named Alvin. Nova who I made a couple records and we met in you know 1984-ish um no um so it was a very brief time that we were together um in 1985 but I think that truthfully after the first record Dorothea was kind of like by you know I see yeah you took off now you're gone for nine months and you know life goes on and I'm here and you're there and you know where do I fit into this and so I think that she um was not buying what I was selling so in 1985 I came back going into my second album and went to her parents house where she lived and you know like did

the whole John Cusack basically standing outside I have that in my notes I swear to God I said How did you win her back? Were you standing outside? Yeah. You know, I was like, you know, to her mom, you know, she'll, you know, called up a couple times. And then we were playing at the Meadowlands, which is what it was called. And I was just the opening act. But our second album, which had gone gold, I said, would you come and we're playing at the Meadowlands?

And we're going to do this gold album presentation. It'd be cool if you were there. And so we picked it up from there. And it just, thank God, you know, I won her back. One last question about Diane, was the song you give love a bad name inspired by her? Okay, because there's so many rumors out there. And I was just like, I have to ask. She was a sweetheart.

It was a very brief moment in time. Gotcha. Again, it was before cell phones. I didn't have her cell phone. It was like I'd have to call a number to get a hold of her. Right. So no, no, it's just a brief moment in time. When you and Dorothea got back together and you guys are going on this journey,

you guys decide to start having babies. Let's talk about that because you're a dad and now you're actually a grandpa. How cool is that? I didn't know until I was doing my research that your son, Jake, is married to Millie Bobby Brown. How was it meeting her and welcoming her and the family? She's a sweetheart and she's a hard worker. Since childhood. Yeah. I mean, I tell her all the time how much i admire her because her work ethic is unbelievable um you know it they got married very young but we blessed it because we we get it you know they're sort of mature beyond their years she comes from a family where her parents are still together and they married very young um her and jake fell in love and we just thought okay you know we'll support this and and it's it's working out

And what's it like being a grandpa? Crazy, but great, wonderful. They adopted a girl. And we met the baby, obviously. And, you know, immediately that becomes your grandchild. You know what I mean? You're a baby. Yeah, absolutely.

So it's beautiful. I want to see pictures like every other day. I'm that pain in the butt guy already. And, yeah, so it's cool. And, you know, our son, Jesse and his wife, they're going to have a baby. so suddenly it's a shift again. Isn't it crazy just to see life through all the eras? Yeah.

It's wild, right? And it's like, you can't stop it. Life just keeps going. It certainly does not wait for anyone at all. Moving on from all of the great grandpa news and stuff like that, as a father, can you just tell me what your most valuable lesson has been that your kids have taught you? Um, one thing you come to know in parenting as you get to a certain stage and age is they're all uniquely different. And I, Dorothy and I have four kids.

It's a big surprise to me that from the same parents in the same house for all the same years, they're very different. All different. Crazy. I always tell everybody you can grow up in the, um, in the same house, a different home. Yeah. Now, it makes more sense when you think about, you know, where we were by the time Romeo was born. And so, you know, different philosophies just based on living life. But it's still the same makeup. It's how to teach us a little more patience. Like, I'm not the boss anymore. I definitely do not get to dictate the terms. You know, like, Daddy would be driving. You know, it's like, okay, everyone in the back seat, no more, you know, which is, takes a little getting used to. But when they grow up and you see what they're doing, it's a moment of great pride because even though you know they're going to stumble and you know they're going to get their knees scuffed up, I like who they're becoming. So I'm pretty proud.

Well, I'm very proud of all four of them. because they're uniquely individual and they know where they came from, but they also want to be their own person, which is big, big. None of them wants to live as the son of or the daughter of. I love that. Yeah. It's hard to let go, though.

It's hard because we've been raising one of Jay's daughters since she was seven and she's 17 now. And this year I've had to learn to let go. And I'm just like, and it's actually kind of working out a lot more, but I'm just like I don't want to you know like I just want I don't want you to spread your wings yet yeah yeah right because they could get hurt yeah it's part of the process yeah absolutely so let's talk about this new tour that you have coming up and this album that is coming out my husband's on the album you have a bunch of people yeah let's talk about it take me on this journey this next

era. When the documentary came out, it was going to accompany our album, which was called Bon Jovi Forever. Very, very proud of the record, very excited about the record. We released the record with the doc, and I'm unable to perform. And I know it. And I have to say to everybody, there's no tour. And in this day and age, which is different than when we began, when you don't suppose, support a record by doing TV shows and or touring that is the day that record dies not slowly not second single third single falls off the clip and dies there was just nothing i could do about it and i could have easily wiped my hands of the record but having lived through 2020 in the the covid issue and the record before that where i was injured with this house is not for sale i've been

making these records and unable to support him. It was heartbreaking. So with this one, I said, I've got a thought. Let's see. And the bumper sticker phrase would be with a little help from my friends. So I asked a handful of close friends, I'm hurt. Can you help? Jelly, of course, was the first one.

You know, he was right there immediately. I said, would you sing on this song for me? So it'll come out when it's done and I get enough guys. And Jason Isbell was probably second. and Bruce and Marcus King and Warren Treaty and Laney, who's, I guess, like a sister to Jelly. Yeah, well, we love Laney. Lainey's our big, Warren Treaty, too. We love them. Amazing. Michael and Tanya talk to them today. I love them to pieces. Me too. Yeah, they're amazing. So great people, Joe Elliott from Def Leopard, Avril Levine, just great talents. Robbie Williams.

It's incredible. Ryan Tatter. And so then I put this record together, Carin Leone, for a Spanish version of one of the songs. So I took my Nashville friends, my old, you know, rock and roll connections, girls, country, international, Spanish.

So I could try to re-release the record with the intention of giving it life that it deserves under the guise of, you know, would a little help from my friends and the hope that I will be able to announce some shows finally for next year. And so that's the plan. Yes. Plans are made to change, but that is my intention.

And you guys do have intention to tour. Yeah. And this can be off the record. We can cut this out too. You haven't announced your tour yet. No, we haven't announced dates yet. Yeah. No, there was a rock show over in the singing room yesterday.

for two hours of me doing it on a daily basis. And then, you know, you just hope that it's all going to hold together. But I am healed. The process is what it is. And we're just hoping that everyone else is healthy and that we're going. It's going to be amazing. And you guys are going to rock it. And the fact that you guys are still selling out places like you guys have done for decades now,

just speaks volumes of just that your fan base. and the people who love you. So I know that the minute you guys do drop this tour, it's going to sell out. People are coming. Well, thank you. That would be nice. Yeah, no.

They will. They will. All right. And I have one last question for you. If you could go back to 1985, John, standing in front of a stadium crowd, what's the one thing you would whisper in your ear? Enjoy this.

Just step back from the microphone. Take it in. Look up. You deserve to be. you earned it. You know, now just enjoy it. That's beautiful. John, thank you so much for being here today. I am so excited for what you have coming up and you're going to catch Jay and I at a show for sure. Yeah. Thank you. We're coming, baby. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Dunblond. I will see you guys next week. Bye.

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