Dumb Blonde - Kail Lowry: In Her Own Words

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

Get ready for an unfiltered conversation as Bunnie welcomes the unstoppable force of content creation, Kail Lowry. Kail opens up about her unexpected start on Teen Mom at just 16, dealing with the harsh realities of fame, and the challenges of navigating toxic relationships and divorce. She shares her raw and honest journey of growth, resilience, and embracing motherhood, and maybe a little sneak peek of what's coming up in her world next. Kail doesn't hold back on discussing her battles with mental illness, the transformative power of embracing her truth, and even her thoughts on plastic surgery. You'll understand why Bunnie loves and vibes with her!  Kail Lowry: https://www.kaillowry.com/ Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Kale Lowry. How you doing, baby? I'm good. How are you? Dude, I'm good. So she walked in, she's wearing a Metallica shirt. And for those of you who can't see, I'm wearing a Metallica shirt myself also. So I was like, as soon as she walked in, I was like, fucking soul sister. I was like, yeah. I love it. So what are you doing out here? So I have three podcasts and we did.

Hold on. Stop right there. Are you a psychopath? Yeah. Okay. Three fucking podcasts. Like I have one and I'm tired of it. Like literally, I don't know how you're doing three.

They're so different that I feel like I have like, I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. So one of my podcast co-hosts lives in Atlanta so we met in Nashville for content um and it's hard because my co-hosts aren't they're all over I have one in Delaware one by myself and then one with one in Atlanta right so it's just a mess I don't know how you keep up with all the content because I'm working my ass off and I couldn't imagine having to put out three podcasts all the social media content you do being a mom fucking I mean take like how do you do this Kristen does she run your socials or do you pretty much tell her what to put we do we it's kind of we tag team like if I can't get to it or she knows that I have an appointment or I'm doing something else, she'll post.

But like she doesn't read my DMs or anything. Right. Like I'll do that. Yeah. No, it's definitely. I know I run all my shit too and Mimi helps me with mine. And there's some days that I'm just like, I don't want to fucking post. Yeah.

No, that's me right now. I'm like, can you just do my stories? Because I don't want to do them. Like I just don't feel like it. You just. Let's touch on that really quick because you just got back from Thailand right I saw that trip it looked amazing I love that you have been so open with your mental mental illness battle because I'm very open about it too like it's so hard talk to me about it so last year I around I would say around this time maybe March I I just

broke down I was super suicidal. And between Kristen and one of my other girlfriends, they were like, we have to get you into the doctor. Like this, this can't go any further. And we made an appointment. My girlfriend Natalie came with me and they put me on antidepressants and they were like, you got to try this. And I, you know, when the first one didn't work, I had to be open for the next one. And it's been really hard because I never thought that it would get to a point where it would be unmanageable because I was kind of just handling it myself and like going through the ebbs and flows with it. Right. And then once I got on a medication, I'm on Lexapro now and it started working.

I just felt like myself again. And it was so crazy because I never thought that I would feel like myself again. I completely 100% relate to that. I went sober in 2017 off pills, sober off alcohol in 2018. Oh, wow. Had my first bout of suicidal depression in 2020. And when you, I say that you feel like your soul is tired. Yeah. Like you don't want to be here anymore. It's a tired that sleep can't fix. Right. Like, and it's a scary tire. It's so scary because, you know, before I went through it, I was just kind of like, I guess I looked at, uh, you know, suicide and things like that. Like it, I couldn't understand it. I never understood depression. Yes. And it didn't make sense to me. So when I finally went through it and then I came out of it, I was like, wow, that is a different type of tired. Um, and you can't, you can't fix it by yourself sometimes. Do you feel

like it might've been postpartum for you? I do think so. Yeah. Um, cause my fourth pregnancy with, you know, an ex of mine was very, very traumatic and the pregnancy alone wasn't planned and it was just a lot. And I think that was like the onset of it. So then when, after I had him, I think the postpartum kind of went untreated for some time and developed into some other things. So it was really difficult, but I'm, I'm happy that I was able to make it through. I love that. So when you were going out to Thailand, you look like you were just living your best life. How was that? Cause I've always wanted to go to Thailand. First of all, you have to go. Okay. You have to go. If, if you, if it's on your bucket list, go. Yeah. Um, I canceled the trip that I was supposed to go on the year prior because of depression. So when I finally

got there the entire time, I just kept saying, I can't believe I'm here. Like I cannot believe I was here. Um, and it was the most, I did so much on, I think every single day I had multiple excursions because I was like I need to make the best of this trip like I have to do this yeah and it was really cool and I took I took Natalie with me and she's also my nanny for my kids so we don't get to do trips together or anything and it was nice to have her you know we had a trip together without the kids yeah no I mean you've got four yeah so I'm sure that was much needed. Yeah. Um, I, I love that you say that you can't, I don't love it, but you saying that you canceled a trip

because of depression. Like, I think people need to hear that because I literally live my life around my anxiety. Like even sitting right here, I'm like having trouble breathing. Like, you know, people don't realize when you're battling mental illness it is a battle every single day to even get out of bed to work to do your makeup to like do anything so I think when people get to see women like you who are so strong so resilient been through so much shit be able to say hey you know what I canceled a trip this year but I went the next year and be able to see that like I think that's what women need as role models nowadays especially you know I canceled it literally the day before I was supposed to leave that's that's something I would do literally I try to cancel podcasts all the time

right he's like no you're not doing it and it was it wasn't because I didn't want to go it was it was the depression right because I I'm obsessed with travel like that's like my thing and people know me for traveling and I just couldn't I was like this I cannot go I cannot physically pack my bag and get on a plane and go I just wasn't into it so I love it it happened I love that you were able to go and get through that so let's rewind it back um speaking of trauma let's talk about your relationship with your mom I think I saw some things online that you guys just really there was a lot of similarities between my mom and your mom yeah that just kind of triggered me a little bit like can we talk about it yeah um I haven't talked to my mom in years I haven't seen

her since 2016 um I don't know where she lives I don't know what she does I don't know anything so and she doesn't know where I am I don't think was she when. I don't know anything. So and she doesn't know where I am. I don't think was she when you were a child growing up, like what was your guys's relationship like? I didn't always live with her. I kind of bounced around a lot. I was with like family members, my grandparents, friends, and she she's really struggled with addiction my whole life. And so it was one of those things where, as a child, I longed for my mom, I wanted my mom to be there, I wanted her to be sober, I wanted her to be present, but she, she couldn't. So, um, when I got pregnant at 16, 17 with Isaac, um, that was kind of her out. And she was like, you know, I'm wiping my hands clean of this. And

you know, she never really was trying to be a mother to me ever again. Where was dad? I met him on 16 and pregnant in 2010. So I, that was the first and only time I ever met him. Wow. And he never came back around. No. I mean, he actually emailed me while I was in Thailand and said, happy birthday. And I opened it and I was like, what in the fuck is this? You're like, surprise shorty. It's dad. He was like, love you, dad. And I was like, you're not not my dad I don't know you yeah like I have no idea who you are so who growing up who was like your parental figure who did you look up to there was so much like I I spent a lot of time with my grandparents um and then you know as they get older they couldn't keep up as much so I really bounced around with friends like their

their families took me in um and I spent a really bounced around with friends like their their families took me in um and I spent a lot of time with friends and and my mom would drop me off and leave me for days weeks on end and never even so much as call um and now I look at it back and I'm just kind of like she she couldn't where before I would be mad you know I would be really upset and not understand but as an adult I mean she's just battling her own stuff and she just never got it together I hate that yeah that's terrible yeah so growing up you had you know you were at multiple family houses you know you're back and forth how were you doing in school like were you always a studious you know kid or were you like more of just like rebellious like fuck this I'm just gonna do a little bit of both yeah so

there was a like I remember specifically in fourth grade like being at school was what I looked forward to because it was kind of taking me out of being at home um and I really fourth grade I was like I'm getting this perfect attendance award like I have to do this um but then as I got older I started to rebel a lot you know I got kicked out of high school so I had to go to another school. My foster family at that point was like, we can't do this. Were you doing drugs and drinking? I smoked a lot of weed, but I never drank because that was my mom's like first, like

alcohol was her drug of choice. And then she dabbled in other things. So I have always really stayed away from alcohol. When, okay, so you were on Teen Mom when you were 16. Yeah. How did that come about? I just want to touch base on it. I kind of want people to know your story, but that's such a big part of your story, you know? Yeah. So whenever I was pregnant with my oldest son, I saw the first season of 16 and pregnant on MTV. And at the time I was living in this like two bedroom apartment with my mom in the middle of Pennsylvania. And I went on MTV.com and it was like casting. And I was like,

well, this is weird. So I just clicked on it. And I put in my story that like my mom's never around and I'm pregnant and I'm here. They called me about two weeks later and they picked me and I was just like, I didn't really say anything. So like, what is the basis? But I guess they were interested. So it was like divine intervention. Yeah. Literally. So weird. The childhood that you had led you on this path of just like beginning your entire journey in front of the world. Yeah. Like that's fucking crazy. So take me. Go ahead. I was going to say like,

just to think about signing these contracts when I was 17 years old. With no parental guidance. No parental guidance. No lawyers. I think like sane people would have lawyers look over their contracts. How did, how was that approved by MTV? If they just said,

if my mom, if my mom signed off for me, it was fine. Wow. And so my mom signed off for me it was fine wow and so my mom signed off on that and was like I'm also done with custody and signed it off to who to my boyfriend's parents okay gotcha so then I moved in with them full-time right and then his mom was kind of crazy right well she was that that way okay so you moved in with Joe's parents yeah and they were like sane and like normal. Right.

And then Javi's mom is the crazy one. Somebody's mom is crazy. My mom's crazy. Okay. Maybe that's what it was. Somebody's mom was crazy. Like I said, I didn't follow the, um,

the teen mom thing. Like that was never my jam, but I do know I did watch like the first, I think one or two seasons. I think after you and Javi, I kind of like fell off. I, I just was out running in the streets doing drugs.

Um, but yeah, so yeah, running the streets doing drugs. Casual. Yeah, exactly. Just doing drugs. So you are 17. Your mom signs off on custody of you. You're pregnant. You're living with your boyfriend. Take me on this journey.

Yeah. So I just didn't know what I was going to do, right? So at this time, I switched high schools. I got kicked out of the first one know what I was going to do. Right. So, um, this, at this time I switched high schools. I got kicked out of the first one. I went to the second one and thankfully because of their credit system, the second high school that I went to, I needed less credits to graduate. And so I was able to graduate in January of my, of my senior year. So I was also due in February. So it worked out perfectly. And then I got to walk with my class in June. At that time, right up to leading up to my pregnancy, I was doing really well.

Like that switch of high schools really turned my life around. And I mean, aside from having sex, I played lacrosse. I was getting good grades. And I was really starting to be on the right track. And then I think it was more so me wanting to get, seek attention from men. Right. You were trying to find love from the people that never showed you love. Joe's mom did not want us together. He wanted him to, you know, focus on school, maybe go to college, do those things. And so he, she really didn't want us together, but Joe always reminded me of an old man, even, even young. He was like a grumpy old man,

you know, am I wrong? No, like literally not like he just, I young he was like a grumpy old man you know am I wrong no like literally not like he just I remember him always just being grumpy about something or looking grumpy the look yeah it's the look yeah for sure so you have your first baby your mom's not there yeah she did she didn't show up she came to the birth okay she did come to the birth because um I went into labor and nobody was around they were all working in another state and so I was by myself. I called her. She did come. And then after the birth, I don't really remember her coming around too much until Joe and I broke up and I had nowhere to go. How did you figure out how to be a mom? Did it just kick in?

No, I think I went through some shit then too because I remember sleeping on like the nursery floor and Joe's dad came in and was like you have to leave this room like you need to get up take a shower and leave this room but I just like was struggling yeah you know depression yeah I think so I mean I don't know for sure because I never got treatment back you're a baby too so you didn't know what to look for I don't even know if I had health insurance like I don't even know she's like I'm just having I was just having babies that's so isn't it crazy that we can go through like traumatic ass shit and as kids and we're just like I don't know how I got through it but I have no idea like it's like we're wired to survive

yeah the human body is just wired to go it's like surviving off of you survive through survival or you survive off love and I think you and I come from just surviving oh yeah absolutely pure survival no look I'm I am a fighter by nature so just everything I've been through I automatically just want to fight and I have an Aries moon so I'm really fucking toxic I have a Leo moon so I'm also toxic I love that when is your birthday March 14th okay so you're a Pisces yeah Leo moon oh spicy yeah that's crazy because water puts 14th okay so you're pisces yeah leo moon oh spicy yeah that's crazy because water puts the fire out so you're probably constantly at war always at war with myself all day long god that's brutal it's horrible i want i want to hug you it's brutal baby so moving

on you have your baby you're living with joe you're on this fucking show what is it like doing this in front of millions of people did you think that all this shit was gonna come with it like all the people i mean you guys have some crazy fucking haters oh my god they're cult like haters i had janelle on the podcast oh did you years ago like three or four years ago and i'm telling you the backlash i got it was fucking nuts but i i didn't care because i mean everybody has a story right they deserve to tell their story but you guys have like this cult crazed demonic fan base yeah like they love the shit out of you or they hate the shit yeah like it's and it's weird to me because at the time that you guys are on the show you guys are babies kids but they're judging the fuck out of us I

remember one time I was warming up it was my transition between breastfeeding and formula feeding and I remember there's like a scene of me heating it up in the microwave I got attacked like I was the world's worst person because I put it in them I didn't know any better I was just doing the best I fucking could I had no fucking clue what I was doing nobody was helping no guidance nobody told me I mean not I love Joe's parents to death but they didn't tell me you can't put formula in the microwave I didn't know you couldn't put formula in the microwave I just learned that right now I had no idea no fucking idea so what do you want me to do and these people are attacking me online but you know the thing that sold me for you know teen mom from

16 and pregnant was the paycheck right um we We made five thousand dollars off of one episode of 16 and pregnant. And that was it. Five thousand dollars. And that's before taxes. Wow. So we exploited our entire life during this teen pregnancy for five thousand dollars. Very crucial moments of your life. I bought a piece of junk car just to be able to get around. I worked two jobs. I went to school and nobody looked at that. It was just the fact that I heated up the fucking formula and may or may not have eventually cheated on whoever at the time. You know what I mean? So those were, you're a horrible person and you belong in hell. I just, I can't with the internet, but I love that you brought up the fact of cheating. Um, cause I do see a pattern like when you're in relationships and

it's almost like you self-sabotage oh 100 you feel like you do that do you think that is because of how you you know your upbringing and the trauma from your mom and your dad so it's like I'm gonna hurt you before you can hurt me absolutely because I was always the cheater too yeah I mean I've been cheated on oh me too I well my thing is I push men until they cheat on me and then I'm like oh I'm out of here you know like oh oh how I, even though I fucking drove you to this. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm there. I didn't cheat on Joe. Oh, I'm lying. I did cheat on Joe. I definitely cheated on Joe. Um, wait, was it Joe? No, Jordan. I cheated on Jordan. I cheated on Jordan. I didn't

cheat on Joe. Right. Um, but I got a lot of shit. I get a lot of shit because I do cheat, but I have cheated. But I also leave if I'm not satisfied or happy. And I think that people don't like that. Right. People don't like that I leave. I'm not going to stay somewhere that I'm not happy. Right. And so it does kind of look like you shouldn't. Right. And so it does kind of look like a revolving door of men. But also I know when and when not to introduce them to my kids. I know, you know, and there's people who date all the time and they don't get shit for it. Well, has anybody ever stopped to think that maybe you and this is just me observing, you are attracted to a certain type of man. So you're repeating cycles with each relationship that you get into.

And, you know, until you're old enough to really start healing and understanding the healing journey, you're never going to be able to fix behaviors that you, you know, you're never going to be able to unlearn behaviors that you learned as a child until you actually go down that road. Right. You know, so you're getting into these relationships and it's the same dude, but a different body. And you're literally just repeating a cycle. People don't look at it like they don't, you know? And I think they also are missing the childhood part because MTV never focused on that aspect. Right. And that's really hard because in order for you to understand someone's actions today, you do kind of have to look to their past to a certain degree. I mean, you can't use that as an excuse forever. Like I wouldn't use it as an excuse now,

right. But when I'm 17 18 19 of course my childhood influenced that yeah for sure 100 so moving on from Joe you meet you have Lincoln or Jordan I dated Jordan after Joe Joe's your first baby dad right okay I didn't have any kids with Jordan but that was like a big story gotcha um and then I had Javi, which we got married. Okay, gotcha. So you had Lincoln with Joe. I had Isaac with Joe. Isaac with Joe.

Lincoln with Javi. Sorry. I'm going to get the kids. Too many fucking kids. I'm going to get the kids down. I promise, guys. All right. So you had Isaac with Joe.

Yeah. And then you dated Jordan. Uh-huh. And why was that? Why do you think that was such a big scandal for you? Because I, so Jordan, I cheated on jordan with joe okay um jordan caught us like literally in the act and then nice so like literally just getting banged out yeah in the shower oh no oh and there wasn't a crime of passion so good lord that was while the it was such a big scandal because it was while the cameras were not rolling.

Oh, so then Jordan takes me back. He's over it. We move on. We're doing great. And now the cameras are like, but now we need to reenact this. Oh, so now you need to retell him on camera that you cheated on him. Right. So when I did that, it was kind of like, yeah, I cheated on you.

What's up? Right. Because you guys had already gone through all the emotions right and so people lost their fucking minds and didn't realize that that was like a reenactment and so and you can't say it no I couldn't now that I'm not under contract yeah whatever I want yeah um and so Jordan actually got re-upset and it was like this whole thing I think we ended up being together maybe for like. Jordan got re-upset? Yeah. Even though he knew it was like acting?

Oh, yeah. He lost it again as if it just happened. OK. And I was like. Is he a Pisces? He is. How did I know? I was like, he's got to be a water sign.

Yes, March 18th. So then we ended up staying together for maybe like another eight months or so. And then when we were kind of on that, you know, when you like break up, but you're kind of talking, but you're kind of not talking. But it's just like that weird lingering. Yes, it was that. But I met Javi. Oh, so I loved Javi. He was a sweet little nugget.

No, she's like, I mean, I could see why you think that. I love that. So I meet Javi. We get married, um, very quickly get married and pregnant. So then I'm pregnant at the wedding. Which is weird because I also have PCOS. Yeah. We'll talk about that. That's in my notes actually. Yeah. When did you find out you had PCOS? Two years ago. Okay. So we'll get to that. Yeah. Okay. So you married Javi. You got pregnant right away. Yeah. I'm pregnant at the wedding. Um, and it was okay for a little while, I think, but also we were so young. I was, I think I w I wasn't even legal to drink at my wedding. So I don't think that we really had any business getting married that young. I just see you searching for love in all the wrong places. As cliche as that sounds.

No, but literally. Literally just see, because you're a Pisces, so you're already just a lover. I'm a Pisces Venus. I'm very passionate. I love love. I love like that exciting, chaotic feeling, you know? So I just see you like bouncing from, you know, person to person to just fill a void. Yeah. And that's hard because I think he was also doing the same to some degree. But I am very damaged. Right.

It's really hard for him when his parents are still together. He kind of has an intact family. And now you're going to try to be with someone who, you know, has never had that. Right. Right. Right. It's like, what is that song that Lindsay played yesterday? Broken, Broken Homes by Raelynn or Broken One by Raelynn. And she talks about like her being broken and being with someone who who's not broken and how hard that can be.

Like, that's a real thing. Well, it's easier to pull somebody down than it is to pull somebody up. This is true. You know, so and I learned that because I was Like, that's a real thing. Well, it's easier to pull somebody down than it is to pull somebody up. This is true. You know, so, and I learned that because I was always super fucking toxic in relationships. It took my husband being my twin flame for me to want to completely change everything around. Well, we'll talk about that on your podcast. So, Javi and you get married. You guys have the baby.

Take me on this journey. Yeah. So, we have Lincoln. And, you know, things were OK. He was he didn't treat me so well while I was pregnant. And that was really hard for me. What did he do? It just was kind of like.

More so like I was on my own with the pregnancy, like didn't help me with like cravings or like he wasn't like the loving husband that you would anticipate when you're pregnant you know what I mean it was more like I was a single mom while I was pregnant and he has addressed that like he has apologized and things like that but um he was a little helpful you know when linking first came he would let me sleep in on the weekend so that I could you know just catch up on whatever um but then he gets deployed um and I I'm going to college to get my bachelor's degree he gets deployed and I love that you're still staying in school oh yeah and like you're just always on track working towards a goal because I knew the show wasn't going to go on forever you know and I didn't be so young and already thinking that and knowing that's the

one thing that my mom taught me was no matter how fucked up she was, she always worked. Yeah. And I mean, she was a functioning addict. So I always like she would go to work fucked up, but she was going to work. Right. You know what I mean? So like I saw that growing up. And so I was like, the show is not going to last forever. I can't be working at fucking Sports Authority and the restaurant for my entire life. Like this is not going to get me by. So I start going back to school and I realize, wow, like there's so many other people out here. sports authority and the restaurant for my entire life like this is not going to get me by so um

I start going back to school and I realize wow like there's so many other people out here like there's so many people and he gets deployed he has whatever he's going on over there I had actually filed for divorce right before he left because he we were fighting we were going at it right and he nobody was cheating nobody was cheating at the time. And I truly don't even think that we were cheating once I filed for divorce. Because even once I filed and we were kind of going back and forth with like, are we going to make this work? Are we not? It's like I did file.

Right. You know what I mean? So I think that was like the big scandal was like he tried to play this whole victim thing where I cheated. But you had something going on over there you know so um well men always try to deflect oh absolutely and it came out in a lie detector test on marriage boot camp wow so that was kind of like why would you sit here after everything that I've been through and put it on me when this time I really didn't do shit. And, you know, we, we were doing the same thing and I had filed. So it wasn't, it canceled each other out, you know, absolutely. But we went back,

back and forth for probably a year. And then when we got back from marriage bootcamp in 2016, we had the divorce decree in the mail. So you are how old at this time? 24. 24. Two babies. One divorce. Two baby daddies. What you doing, Kale? What's next? I actually ended up, I believe I got pregnant with Lux before my divorce was finalized um and he Javi had to sign a paper saying that he was not

the father because we hadn't been divorced for 365 days wow when I got pregnant is this a law yeah in Delaware like it had he had to sign off because we were still legally married even though we had filed for divorce and it was like under the separation. Um, and so then I was with Chris and that was by far my most tumultuous and toxic relationship. Was it domestic violence? Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. Can you take me on that journey? So you're already pregnant. Yep. You got the two babies. Do you have full custody of them? Um, in Delaware is 50, 50 automatic. Okay. So I have 50, 50, I think with, with Lincoln, but I think Joe might've still, I don't think we were 50, 50 yet, but that's what

we were working on. Right. Um, have they always stepped up Joe and Harvey always, they've always been, um, like when Joe, when we were both in Pennsylvania, he paid child support. He did what he had to do. Same for Harvey right off the bat good um so when I meet Chris it was a very different story it started off very toxic and when you say it started off very toxic what do you mean so I would say about six months in I had already had a miscarriage with him oh and at that point I knew I had found out that he had two other girlfriends full-time girlfriends these are not side chicks like we were not side chicks all three of us were the main fucking chick. Is he a pimp? I don't know what the fuck he is, but he got a hammer and that's what that's, that's what's happening right there. Is he getting money

from the hose? That's exactly where my fucking brain goes. I'm such a Vegas chick. I'm like, is he pimping? Um, okay. So he's got that sledgehammer. Oh yeah. So do you want a drink by the way? I'm sorry. I have some water. We didn't even offer you anything when you walked in. No, you're good. We'll just sit down and dry talk. So yeah, I already have a miscarriage. And I am learning that he has two other girlfriends. And I find out while I'm pregnant with Lux, my son. Did they know about you? No.

None of us knew about each other. The way that it was described to me was that these are his exes and so we were kind of like an open book about it and I'm believing that these are his exes but lo and behold the entire time he is in an active relationship with them how do men find the time well that's what I'm saying like that's a lot you're not you're not that special either so like but I mean like was he living with you full time? Yes. Okay. So how was he having relationships? I don't know. And I think it started because of when we first started, I was going through the divorce, right? So he was kind of breadcrumbing me. And I think that was a sign that I initially missed. So looking back, I'm like, okay, he would like essentially love

bomb me for three days and then disappear for a week and then come back and you know what I mean things like that so I was just like what in the fuck so we go on a trip to Denver he wanted to go to Denver he wanted to do the weed thing whatever so it's me him and his best friend we go to Denver and he gets so smacked that I'm like let me I'm gonna go through his phone his phone is going off steady going off I'm I'm sleeping on the bed and his phone's going off I pick it up and it's one of the girlfriends so I go through the rest of it he's got naked pictures videos of them doing things all kinds of shit so I go out to dinner with my girlfriends and I'm like what do I do wait a second so you're laying in bed next to him looking at this yeah and I'm just plotting yeah I'm just like what how

did you not say anything I would have been like whack so wait wake up we got some shit to talk about so I go to dinner with my girlfriends who live in Denver and I I'm like what do I do like I don't know I don't want to like overreact or underreact like I don't know and I they don't know I'm pregnant so I have to tell them I'm pregnant and I'm just like what the fuck so I leave the dinner one of my girlfriends is waiting outside because she's like I don't know what's gonna happen so let me just like you tell me the okay to go and I'll go and I throw the phone at him and I'm like what is this and all hell all hell breaks loose um and that's when I put them in a group chat and I was like, hey, we're all fucking the same man. And then they're calling him, they're texting him, everything is blowing up.

This is where I get really toxic. I take his wallet and he can't find it and he has to go to the airport by himself and he can't do anything with it and i hide the wallet and you have to go to the airport and figure it out i don't think that's toxic i think that's karma i like i'm so you're talking to the barking up the wrong tree over here i'd have done way worse i've done way worse than that actually yeah you are very composed and his friend doesn't leave me his friend stays in the room and we catch our actual flight while chris goes to the airport and tries to i don't know if he slept there like i don't know what he did she's like i don't give a fuck i have no clue um i don't even remember seeing him in the airport the next morning but we get home and we don't talk until that was in december we don't talk for at least a whole month

but the other girls are already back in his life they're already he's already fucking them they're his girlfriends again the whole nine i have no idea he gets on his knees and shows up at my house and begs for me back I take him back like a fucking dumbass they always want the one that puts up boundaries and I have no idea that he's actually with all three of us again no yeah and that's been going he's still with one of them I don't understand how girls are just okay with that and she told me she's like I'm not going anywhere that is so weird to me so so you have the baby you have Lux is he a present father really and because it has there's like domestic violence involved in the beginning he only got four hour supervised visits every other week what Where did the domestic violence come in?

There was several incidents. I compared him to his father one time while I was pregnant, and he choked me up against the side of my house. He choked me while holding our son. And several other things. He broke a window. He broke a door, like trying to get to me. There's been so many things. And so I really didn't. And maybe you're familiar with this. I don't know if you've been in a domestic. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I didn't really want to press charges or call on him. You know, like I wanted him to change and pick me and be with me and be good and us be great I didn't want to do those things yeah and so there was even a point where I you know the DA called me and was like what do you want to see from this and I I said I don't think jail is going to help

him I said he needs to go to a rehab center or some sort of therapy to help him and that's what I was hoping he would get the help that he needed versus going to jail right and I think that was one of my mistakes but he's also gone to jail and then called me from jail you know what I mean so it's like it's like it's not really it's so toxic and I'm not saying that I was perfect because I've definitely probably pushed his buttons where I shouldn't have I get it trust me I used to I was in a very very abusive relationship where i literally almost lost my life um and you it's weird because you get it's a trauma bond yeah you get addicted to the chaos yeah to the abuse and just like the making up and the you know like it's just a fucking cycle that just doesn't stop

and i didn't want to call the cops on him either i remember the cops came in our house one time and um he had another girlfriend too which we'll talk about that on your podcast if you want to but um the cops came in the house my eye is literally swollen shut I mean it's like sitting out this far and he's like do you want to press charges and I'm like no I also I said no and the the state pressed charges anyway yeah that was for a separate incident. That was the most recent one that I finally pulled the plug, I guess. So you guys have two kids together. So when did you get pregnant with the second one? During a really abusive period. And so I've never really discussed the circumstances of that pregnancy. Right. But it wasn't a good it was not a good time. Right. It just probably got worse because it never gets better. No, it doesn't. good, it was not a good time. Right. It just probably got worse because it never gets better.

No, it doesn't. And, you know, there was a time where I truly, like I texted someone who I later dated and I was like, he's going to kill me. And then I threw my phone under my bed because I thought if he gets my phone, I won't have any way to call for help. But, you know, my ex that we could talk about later if you want. He didn't get it because it was at two in the morning. You know, Chris had showed up to my house, we had this crazy situation happen. I literally thought I was going to die. And I think the only reason why I fought for my life, he literally he put my face into the couch and was just smothering me into the couch. No, I had I already had my first son son okay um but this was around the time that i got pregnant with my second son okay and

um i don't know i had never fought him before when he put his hands on me or you know abused me can we talk about that though when you get into an abusive relationship you literally there's a fire that comes up out of you and you're motherfucker, touch me one more time and I'm going to kill you. Yeah. So that night, I don't know what took over me. But that night I fought for my fucking life. And I don't know, my son was upstairs sleeping. And I just, I remember just like turning my head a certain way and being able to like gasp for air.

And I still did not want to call the fucking police I did I was so just like I want you to choose me I want you to get better you know it was sick no it's a very very very sick cycle that happens with um you know relationships like that and I don't think that people talk about it no they don't because it's one of the most fucked up mind fucks you will ever go through. I've been away from my abusive abusive ex for seven years now. And I'm still fighting just healing and going through like emotions of having what happened to me. You know, it's,

it's not easy. How long have you been out of it? Two. Oh yeah. Two years. And what's crazy is a couple weeks ago, he called me while we were in Texas and, um, I had put him on speakerphone and he's like, and you need to get over it. Like you can't keep talking about this. What did he say, Kristen?

Yeah. My ex literally messaged me when was it last year and told me I don't want to be used as content because like all like this is our story yeah that's what happened to us I said we're not talking about you we're talking about the situation I've never even said his name publicly so nobody even knows who you are yeah then I've told him that and he finally got to the point where he's like well just say my name no motherfucker I'm never gonna give you that clout you know absolutely it's just a very toxic thing and it's so fucked up because it's like you really want to love this person and you have kids with him so I could only imagine how hard that is because it's like you want to have a family you want that love you know what unit yep and it's just never gonna happen because that's who they are as you know to their core core. That's the type of humans that they are.

I think that after that night was when I started my actual hardcore therapy journey. Yeah. I got into with an emergency therapist and she kind of just like rocked my world. And, you know, I was with her for three and a half years, almost four years. Yeah. And if it wasn't for that, I would not be where I am. But I think God I called 11 therapists to get in for an emergency appointment. I was like, I don't know what's going to happen to me. Like, I don't

even know how I'm here. She was the only one that called me back. No, I have been, I literally have been in your same position where I have felt so suicidal. I have like, I've been like, I need to talk to somebody. I need to figure this out. The mental health world is not helpful. No, it's not like they charge an arm and a leg. I was paying a mortgage worth of therapy every single month. Yeah. I mean, Kristen can tell you. She sees my bank account every month.

No, I get it. I'm like, you know, there was periods of time where I had to go double, you know, two times a week. There was times where I went over an hour. You know what I mean? Like just trying to get through this and for him to still say like. You got to get over it. you got to get over it. You got to get over it. Move on.

That's something within him. Yeah. Because he feels guilty for what he did to you. And heaven forbid, he wants to feel guilty. You know, like it's going to trigger him to be like, well, you need to get over it because I don't want to hear about it anymore because I don't want to feel it. Believe it or not,

narcissists do have a guilty conscious when it comes to things that they do because they hate looking like the bad guy. They don't want to be made to look like the bad person. So when you are out speaking your truth, it's making them look bad. And even if somebody, well, in your case, they do know who he is. So he really hates it because he's like, Oh my God, I'm looking bad to all these people. You know, how dare her shame me in front of all these people, you know? So it's a guilt of them not wanting to feel bad about themselves because their ego front of all these people. Right. You know, so it's a guilt of them not wanting to feel bad about themselves because their ego, it's all ego driven. Yeah. Um, so that night you go on your spiritual journey. When do you find out you're pregnant with your

second kid? Cause you weren't pregnant at the time. I don't know. Yeah. I didn't find out until the next month. Okay. Gotcha. So the next month it was on my son, my second son's birthday that I find out that I'm pregnant now with my fourth. Right. And I was so distraught and upset. I had never been in a situation where, um, you know, I already had a child with someone with the same person and um I wasn't in a place to have another child I was going through so much you know with within myself so I made an appointment to get an abortion and you know love me or hate me for that but that was something that I had to do for myself and Kristen went with me she drove me and um when I got there I, I need to look at the screen. I need to see if I'm going to connect

with this baby. Because I was at the borderline of like where you can no longer get one because I needed all this time to think. And then at that point, I was already feeling guilty because I had waited so long because I couldn't make the decision. And I felt like it isn't fair for me to bring this baby into this situation. Um, but also terrible situation. Yes. And it just felt like it was wrong. And so I'm, you know, not really entirely sure what I should be doing. What's the right thing to do. And, um, I looked at the screen and I was like, I'm not going to go through with this abortion and I'm going to do the best I can and raise this baby. And you know, it, whatever happens, it's, it's going to be okay. And this is Cruz. This is Creed. Creed. Sorry.

Your fans are going to come for me. No, it's okay. Cruz is cute too. I swear I have all this in my notes. I'm just trying not to look at my notes while I talk to you. Um, okay. So you have, you, you know, have this epiphany while you're in the abortion clinic, which is pretty profound. I love that because I actually had an abortion when I was 16 and I told we'll talk about this on your podcast, but it's kind of like the same situation. And mine was a little too late, though. So. Oh, wow. Yeah. So. But we'll we'll definitely talk about that.

You're pregnant with your second baby with this dude yeah what does he say I really thought at some point that he was turning over a new leaf he like wrote me a Christmas card and was like so it's the dog oh I was like is that a baby crying what is happening no it's a dog across the street. He always does this. That's so funny. Literally. I'm like, okay, he's going to turn over a new leaf. He's going to, you know, at some point, this is going to make him realize what he wants,

what he's done, how we're going to get through this. Isn't it crazy how you've given the most chances to the most toxic man that you've been with? Yes, and I always say that. And I loved him the most. I loved him so fucking hard. But was it really love or was it a trauma bond? It was absolutely a trauma bond. Yeah.

Absolutely. Because we crave that. You guys probably had really passionate sex. Absolutely. The best sex. Yeah. The best sex. I swear, the most domestic violence relationships have the best sex.

I've always said that. And it's like you get addicted to just that person. Well, and I thought the sex was so good. So when I'm talking to my therapist about it, she's like, Kale, but is it? She's like, or does he deprive you of everything else in a relationship? And so you think that's the best because that's the only time you're connected. And then when I think about it, I was like, wow, like we could be fighting but I would have sex with him so that we could connect and really be get over it yeah and and and she was right like it probably wasn't that great I need your therapist can I have her number um so yeah I so you thought he turned over yeah he writes me this Christmas card and he's you know he's like I know this wasn't great but we're gonna

we're gonna be fine we're gonna do okay yeah um we still didn't really try to have a relationship from that point forward but it was more so like I felt like he was nicer to me um well I probably knew that he had to be yeah and so there was still times where it was not great and um I didn't think that I was going to have him at the birth because I thought it was going to be just traumatic and like something that I knew that I could never have is like this family are you still filming during this time yeah wow yeah so I'm trying to hide it but also I'm so angry and upset that I'm also telling parts of it and I'm not telling the whole story and I don't know how to navigate it because I do owe the show you know I do owe them my life I owe them you know my privacy really but I'm also trying to protect him to some degree but also tell my story it was very difficult um and so I really

started to run into problems with filming at that time um because he was pissed don't talk about me I don't want to be on the show you know the whole nine so I tell him I really don't want him at the birth and but ultimately I was like you know what I can't not have my son's father there like he deserves to be there for his son maybe if he watches me give birth again he'll want to just make this work because nothing turns a guy on like a placenta right right right so i'm thinking like him being there will just change his mind and absolutely it could not be more far from the truth um what happens he he comes to the birth he was fine um but then you know he just decides that he's just gonna kind of come and go and show up and leave as he pleases like i think i gave birth and he left like two

hours later was he is he still he's still dating the other two girls? Well, no, just the one, the one. Okay. Yeah. So they have a child together now. Oh, nice. Um, and he ends up getting her pregnant shortly thereafter. I had, you know, our second son. And so that was like a whole other thing. And, um, that's gotta be crushing you. It was, that was hard for me me that was really hard for me to learn that you know he was having a baby with her I I had a mental breakdown that day and then I was like you know what here's the thing I don't date men with kids and if it wasn't for that I don't think that I would be done with him today sure wait hold on you don't date men with kids I don't

but you want men that don't have kids to date you. But I understand if they won't. Right. It's a personal preference. I love that. But I come with so much baggage. Right. You're like, I don't need yours. I don't need yours as well. So, yeah, I like them without kids.

For any of the men who want to slide up in Kale's DM, if you guys have any little tater tots, any crotch goblins, do not. So yeah, I find out shortly thereafter that he is having a child with her. And I promise you, I had my mental breakdown. I called my therapist on an emergency basis. She talked me through it. I like basically blacked out. I don't even remember what the conversation was. From that point forward, I accepted that he was having this child and I never looked back. I never looked back. It's back. I'm the same way. If I get hurt, it's like I will stonewall and literally just keep going. Yeah.

Like I'm not looking back. Right. And so from there, I mean, I've never hooked up with him. We don't hang out. We don't talk. We're not friendly. There's like one or two friendly times that we've tried to be cordial, but it ultimately just goes to shit every time so like we're never on good terms i'm proud of you it's hard i'm really proud of you you've been through

a lot of shit it's been um i've lived a hundred lives in 30 years i think yeah but you have two i think you need don't deflect except the compliment you really are deserving of and I'm proud of you because coming from somebody who didn't have anybody to show them how to live you have four beautiful babies yeah oh my gosh and they're everything oh my god they're everything yeah I heard so I heard you had them on a podcast and was it Isaac that said something crazy and you like everybody came for you because um probably I think they said I think the article I read said that crazy and you like everybody came for you because um probably I think they said I think the article I read said that Isaac and you were on the they all the kids were on the podcast and I you said something about like do the people I date bother you and he said well no not

at all and then you said something and then he said well I just know you for having babies yeah with everybody or something like that and I didn't think that was wrong. No, he's not wrong. But for everybody to make such a big deal about it was crazy. You know, they love to make something out of nothing. Yeah, for sure. But it's funny. My kids, they just fry me up on a regular basis.

And I love it because I'm like, I can take it. And these are truths. Like, I have three baby dads and that's the truth. No, I love that. But no, they're so funny. And especially my third son, he humbles me, they're so funny. My, and especially, um, my third son,

he humbles me every day of my life. When's his birthday? Um, he's a Leo. He's August 5th. Oh, yeah. I bet you he loves the shit out of you though.

He's my ride or die. Yeah. Through and through. Like I can, I know if I was to go to jail and he's an adult, I know he would call, he would answer on the first ring. You know what I mean?

Like he's my ride or die. Yeah. That's, that's love. He's a mama's boy. Yes. I feel like Isaac call. He would answer on the first ring. You know what I mean? Like, he's my ride or die. Yeah, that's love. He's a mama's boy. Yes. I feel like Isaac kind of grew up with you. Yeah.

How's you guys' relationship? We struggled for a little while. We were bumping heads. And he's a lot like me. He's a lot of the things as a child in myself that, you know, I see qualities of him that I hated in myself as a kid. But I would say over the last, last like year and a half, we have become best fucking friends. And you know, I'm a parent first, I will always be a parent first.

And I tell him that, but I also want him to trust me, I want him to be able to tell me all the things. And so he will sit there and he'll spill the tea about all the seventh graders at school. And you know, what's going on. And, you know, I just love the shit out of him and I'm I am proud of him but he he's he challenges you know everyday things that you know kids are expected to do he will challenge them a little bit and I I'm actually really proud of him for it because I feel like kids don't do that enough in a in a respectful way right and so he'll challenge you know like what you know why do I have to do this or, you know, things like that. And I just I think that he's going to do big things. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. What about Lincoln? Because he kind of grew up with you, too. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Lincoln's a little different. Lincoln is he's just like a little athlete.

He's a man's man. He's always into sports. That's his that's a daddy's boy. Yeah. Yeah. He's that's hobby's boy oh yeah which is okay i that's that was a little hard on me there was a little bit of a period where i was like this really fucking sucks yeah because i feel there's something different about a mom and her sons versus like a mom and her daughters and normally it's they're not daddy's boys right and so they're like more of like mommy's boys but he and so i struggled with that a little bit but um i think he'll become a mama's boy the older he gets okay well I'm hopeful for that when he starts getting like girlfriends and stuff like that oh yeah he'll ask me because he has a little girlfriend and he'll be like can

you take us here he won't dare ask his dad oh so I'm like I'm the favorite now yeah you're like am I the cool parent am I the cool one if I do I love that. So moving on, I read an article that you were ready to break ties with, you know, teen mom. And you did not want that stigma around you anymore. What led to that? It was a really hard decision for me. But I had been really struggling with the fact that I went through such a public divorce. And then like the stuff with Chris was so messy. My kids are getting older.

You know, Isaac really didn't want to film anymore. So I was just kind of feeling like maybe this is time for me to move on. And it would have been cool if they kind of showed the whole picture. But they were so focused on showing the traumas with myself and my kids' dads. And that's not my whole story. You know, there's a lot that goes into being a mom, being a single mom. They didn't really want to cover any of the good stuff. And I think you do have to cover the good with the bad. And I understand that drama sells on TV and you want to exploit like the craziest stuff because that's what's going to make money. Right. But if people don't know the

whole story, who gives a fuck about that? Yeah. And so I just got to a point where it just was too much. You know, the cast and I, none of us were getting along. My kids didn't want to film. And so I just wanted the privacy and to kind of just move on um they've asked me a couple times to come back but I just don't I'm so far removed from that now that I don't I can't see myself going back to to that show specifically right maybe like a spinoff of your own oh absolutely you got enough kids to keep everybody to keep everybody interested did you want to talk about the lawsuit with Brie or no I don't care we We can talk about it. Was that one of the pivotal things that also made you leave the show? You know what?

There was so much with the lawsuit. For one, I really just wanted to prove a point that you're not going to continue to fuck with me and get away with this. You know what I mean? The other thing, too, was that I felt like I exploited my entire life for 13 years and MTV held no. Like they've threatened to fine me for thinking that I sold this in touch article back when I was with Jordan in 2012. They threatened to fine me, but they're not going to threaten to fine her for, you know, threatening to spit on me to, you know, her sister assaulted me. Nobody gets fined. So I just felt like it was very unfair and not like a balanced situation. It kind of turned into bad girls club. Right. And so I was just like, this is not me anymore.

I've learned because I had Honey Boo Boo on Alana and Pumpkin. Yeah. And there was so much abuse that the TV people have, you know, covered up. And it's like, I almost feel like in this day and age, what was happening with you is kind of like, illegal, like, there's a lot of domestic violence going on behind the scenes, they didn't do anything to help it. And I'm sure they knew or had an inkling of something was going on. You know, they're exploiting teenagers, right? Like that's really rocky waters,

you know, so they don't really have your best interests at heart. So that doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't find her, but try to find you. It just felt like it was backwards. Right. And I paid my dues in the industry. I don't feel like she has,

you know what I mean? That's a long time. And we're talking divorce, cheating scandals, STDs, the whole nine. And you can't even say like this is unacceptable and, you know, do something about it. There was no regard for or human decency, it felt like. Yeah. And so that was one of the turning. Yeah, I would say so.

Yeah. That was one of the turning points. Definitely. And then you ended up the judge ended up throwing it out right or something like that yeah what was it like a throw out not enough evidence or yeah essentially nobody won I had to pay her lawyer fees you just feel helpless because it's like nobody has your back and then she sent me like a treadmill um and then a clown suit have Have some couth. So moving on, you had mentioned earlier that you had PCOS.

When did that come into play? When did you find out that you had that? Two, I think two years ago. I don't know why I was, why did I get tested for that? The weight and also like crazy. Okay. So I TMI, but i like bleed through everything so like i shit you not i could put a tampon in and bleed through my entire outfit in 20 minutes

so it's just like crazy i'm all over my mattress long story short that and like the weight the weight gain um i was working out religiously and not losing anything i was eating right like doing what i needed to do and nothing would come off. So two years ago, I go get like the blood test and everything else like that, and it comes back that I had PCOS, which is really weird because I had no problem getting pregnant. There was a small window where I had secondary infertility, and then – You, infertile? Right? You're like, wait a minute.

I mean, that's a good thing now, isn't it? No, I'm just kidding. So yeah, there was like a small window where I had what we thought was secondary infertility. And then, so I had back-to-back miscarriages and then randomly got pregnant with Lux, Creed, and you know what I mean? So it was just, even now it feels weird to say that I have PCOS because I'm not like the typical like poster child for PCOS. Yeah. I think every case is different. Mimi has PCOS.

I don't think I always had it. Really? Mm hmm. that like you could kind of struggle like you said you had a little bit of struggle with it but your pregnancy could have brought on all that because uh saying that your piece of us isn't just like a black and white thing it's so broad yeah because yeah your pregnancy could have gone wow i didn't know see i don't i didn't know that yeah no mimi knows a lot about it that's why i was curious about it to see what your journey was yeah i've seen her journey so i have like the crazy weight gain i cannot lose weight for the life of me. Um, high testosterone. I have, um, I had the crazy acne, like cystic acne. I took Accutane for five months. Um, I'm trying to think what else I have. Your skin looks

fucking flawless. This is from Accutane. Girl, this is from Accutane. I've been looking at that skin this whole time. You've been sitting there. I'm like, like good lord I don't even I I Accutane really put me through hell but it was worth it because mentally oh yeah do you think that might have been what triggered your depression in 2020 well because when did I go on Accutane before or after Lux because I've heard nothing but nightmare shit from about Accutane I didn't really before yeah I didn't really struggle Long term once I stopped the five month treatment Everything went back to normal but it was Just during that time

I think you know my mental health Just kind of the ebbs and flows I don't Really like your body's been through a lot yeah For sure and coming out of a domestic violence Relationship to like that will literal Hell yeah totally New York Times bestseller period take me on this journey boo um okay so i'm very proud of you um i didn't think that i would ever

actually get to publish this book right so i'm writing on my laptop my 600 toshiba laptop that i got from fucking best buy when i was like 20 right and i'm typing on it and i'm like it's basically like a diary like all this shit that I've gone through you know my family story and I don't know how the fuck to publish a book right so I'm like what the fuck am I gonna do um and I reached out to like five or six publishing houses and which by the way let me cut you off they're like a cult because I'm yeah I'm like in the process of trying to write a book about my life story they if they don't they will not just accept anyone no they five publishing houses turned me down before five or six of them turned me down before the only reason why i actually ended up getting a book deal was because at the time mtv had a book

um department right so mtv books put me in touch with um a publisher who finally was like all right we'll we'll take a risk here yeah and so i was the first or second i think farrah had her book out first oh farrah has she been on the podcast yet no but i can't wait and she's scheduled she needs to come no i want her so bad just because she's a fucking lunatic dude I love it though I'm all for it um so I get I get the book deal and um you know we did the whole book tour thing and it was really cool because that there's so much in there that I didn't get to show on the show and so people really finally started to understand why I was so fucked up at the time and what's the name of the book pride over pity okay yeah so I talk about my mom's addictions. I talk about, you know, walking down the street to my uncle's

house and asking for food. You know what I mean? So there's like a lot of stuff in there that I actually I don't even know if that's in there, but there's just so much in there that the show didn't get to. Right. So which I feel like the show would be way more successful if they did show all that shit, dude, Cause people would actually have fucking empathy. Oh, a hundred percent because I think, and that goes for everybody on the show, on the show,

not just me. You know, how did Chelsea become Chelsea? She became the face of the franchise. How did she, you know, her, her dad's a doctor,

a dentist. Like what was that like for her? You know what? Did she grow up wealthy? Did she, you know what I mean? Did she have a great start? Did she have a support support system yeah um you know I don't know any of you guys's backstories I just know the children that you had right you know the arguments so it would

it would have been really cool for them to you know at least do a couple episodes you know but they just never they never really touched on it but you got it all out in the book I did and then you wrote another one I I wrote three more. Three more. Yeah. I only saw two. Yeah. Do tell.

So I wrote one of them. Bitch, you are busy. Good Lord. Well, because I'm so afraid of being poor again. Girl. Like, I'm so afraid. Hello. I fucking, I literally will hold on to money like a hoarder.

Literally. Well, and there was a time where I was having, like, shopping problem because I was like, I have the money, but now I'm back to like me trying to like just remember my roots. But I'm so afraid of being broke like I grew up, you know, like I don't even I didn't have food. You know what I mean? So my mom didn't keep food in the house. So I never want to go back to that. And I don't want my kids to go back to that. So I write three more books. One's a children's book. And I'm hoping to

do another one. So hopefully within the next year we'll, you know, start working on that. But it's a lot harder than you think, especially now because everything is just like, listen to a podcast, you know, read, go on audible or, you know, listen to a book or whatever it is. And I call it the microwave era. Yeah. People don't't want to they don't want to wait so they just want instant yep instant gratification always yeah well girl I'm proud of you fucking three books I only had two in here plastic surgery that's the last thing we'll talk about because I know I listen I get it all the time everybody's like what did you have done and like you know just even if you have fillers and shit in your face people call you plastic I love that you're so open with your plastic surgery. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love plastic surgery. I'm like the, the only

regret that I have is not waiting until I was done having kids. Cause I had the mommy makeover after my second son. Um, but I really should have waited cause I could definitely go for another. If anyone wants to fund it and you don't have any kids right make sure you don't have any kids um no I love that you're very open with your journey because so am I yeah and I'm like dude I can't wait to get a facelift I'm so ready no I was literally I'm like does Chris what does Kris Jenner have yeah I want whatever she hers is nice and precise baby's blood is what she drinks she She has to. Because. Adrenochrome. And I was watching Game Show Network and I'm like, Leah Remy got something done somewhere.

And I'm like, what? Her, JLo. Everybody looks so good. They do. Kim. Kim Kardashian looks amazing. Kim flawless. They all look fucking great.

Everybody gets nip tuck in the world. I mean, like, if you can afford it, they're getting it done. Oh, yeah. Or comped. Yeah, exactly. Somebody's getting comped. Yeah, for promo or whatever. Yeah, no, I love that you had that journey. So you had a comped. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. For promo or whatever. Yeah. No, I love that you're, you had that journey. So you had a tummy tuck and what else

have you had? BBL, Lipo 360. Yeah. Um, I've had lip fillers. I get Dysport religiously. Um, I can't live without Botox. No, I love it. I actually just missed my appointment. Oh, I have a really good girl at her. If you ever want to use her, she's amazing. I have a really good girl at hair if you ever want to use her She's amazing Just at the aesthetic parlor She's amazing I had a BBL done It wasn't a full BBL done

But I had high def vasolipo on my stomach And then they put a little bit at the top of my ass Because I was starting to get my mom's ass I don't love the BBL trend I don't love it I want it removed kind of immediately Same Gravity is kind of pulling. Same. I'm the same way. If I could.

Yeah. Gravity is kind of pulling it down a little bit. Yeah. I think what they don't tell you whenever you're getting a BBL and I want to make a tick talk about this is one. It makes it harder for you to lose weight. People don't realize that. Did you know that? Absolutely. Girl, I battle. I work out four to five times a week. And my girl, Viking Barbie, who's beautiful, you can look her up. Her and I have the same nutritional coach. It took me probably five times more working out and longer to lose the fat on my hips and around my ass than it did her because she's never had work done to her body. And when you have lipo, fat doesn't go to that area anymore, but it spreads out and goes to other areas where there's fat cells. Yes. So it's, it doubles, it's harder to lose. Like it's

just not. So Dr. Miami did mine and he said, I asked him about it and he was like, when you gain weight, you're going to gain weight wherever your fat cells are. Right. which he moved them to my butt my butt has grown exponentially yeah um and I also had when I did the BBL and I did the lipo 360 I wanted everything to match because I felt like I can't have a huge butt and then like my arms and my waist or my arm my my waist to be small my arms to be big so I had it in my, my butt and my arms have grown and insane. But like now what now I don't know what I can do about it. Yeah. Now the gravity pulls down your butt a little bit and it just looks crazy and I can't find jeans that fit me. It's insane. So I don't know if I would have to get lipo, but then would it be like lumpy? Yeah, no, there's like what they don't warn you about plastic surgery.

Once you start getting it, the upkeep is insane. The fact that I've been able to keep my results would it be like lumpy yeah no there's like what they don't warn you about plastic surgery once you start getting it the upkeep is insane the fact that i've been able to keep my results for the past seven like 2015 i got it done yeah so about seven years seven or eight years eight eight years is insane and i've had to really work my ass off to keep my results totally and but my ass and my hips have widened so much from just having work done. Like it's I don't know. It's just crazy. You're just literally always chasing it.

That's so weird. OK, so that's good to know. I don't even know what I'm going to do. We'll figure it out. I mean, I'm sure they'll come out with a new fucking thing. But yeah, just before you get plastic surgery, do all your research. Everybody's body is different. But, you know, just from my experience, it has been so hard for me to lose body fat.

It's been crazy. I maintained it for a long time, but I got pregnant the same year that I got my mommy makeover. Yeah. So that was my biggest mistake. I should have, you know, had all the kids I wanted to have and then got it. Yeah. Because then you can maintain it for as long.

At least the results would have held longer, I think, for it. Yeah. Because then you can maintain it for as long, at least the results would have held longer, I think for me. Yeah. But hopefully, you know, in the next year or so, I'll be able to get a new mommy makeover. Yeah, maybe they'll come out with a new procedure and we can all just fucking get it. Right. Are you going to have any more babies?

Are you open to having more babies? I am in a relationship now. And, you know, I, yes. Are we allowed to know who you're in a relationship his name's Elijah yeah and he is we're gonna talk about it on my podcast but he's younger than me so we have that in common I think yeah yep yep so um you know he he deserves kids of his own I love that yeah I love that you're just you're just gonna make your own little fucking football team I have to you gotta have a girl though you need a girl we'll see it's time because I mean you got four boys

you need two twin girls I'm speaking it into your life please do that well Kale thank you so much for coming on the podcast you're a real doll I love you dude please come back I love you I will I absolutely will all right shout out where everybody can find you if they haven't been able to find you already. You haven't found me. You don't know who I am at Kale Lowry on all platforms. Yeah, that's pretty simple. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde.

I will see you guys next week. Bye.