Dumb Blonde - KT Smith: Breakups & Blessings

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Bunnie sits down with the beautiful KT Smith, and trust us—if you've heard a rumor about her, she’s clearing it up right here. KT opens up about her whirlwind engagement to Morgan Wallen, the cheating rumors, and what co-parenting in the spotlight is really like. She also sets the record straight on her marriage (and split) from Luke Scornavacco, plus all the internet drama that came with it. KT gets real about the viral car accident with Caden McGuire, her rise on social media, the story of how she got saved and found Jesus, and why she’s stepping into her soft girl era.KT Smith: IG | TikTok Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dunvland. Today, I have the one, the only, KT Smith in the house, baby. Hello. How are you? I'm happy to be here. You are stunning. When you walked in, I was like, the one, the only, KT Smith in the house, baby. Hello. How are you?

I'm happy to be here. You are stunning. When you walked in, I was like, oh my God, she's so pretty. Thank you. No, you- I have some zits right now, but you know, I gotta cover them up. Nobody can see those. Stop it.

You're beautiful though. Like, I feel like your beauty isn't captured online as much as it is in person. Wow, thank you. Is this our first time meeting or have we met somewhere else? Because I can't remember. I think we've been at the same places, but we've never met. Oh, okay. Gotcha.

Cause I feel like I've met you before, but I don't know. Maybe it's just cause we feel like we know each other. Yeah. We've talked plenty of times. Yeah, for sure. So how are you doing? Good. Is this, you know, living the dream. This has been a long time coming.

I feel like we've been talking about bringing you on the podcast forever. And then we just finally were able to make it work this season. We've had a long time coming. I feel like we've been talking about bringing you on the podcast forever. And then we just finally were able to make it work this season. We've had a few reschedules. Yes, we have we almost had a reschedule again today. I was like, okay, maybe this isn't meant to be. No, I was like, I felt so bad. I was like, tell her it's gonna smell like gas. But tell her just come on the propane company just for everybody. It's trying to tell me I didn't pay my bill, which is

a fucking lie. And they fucking turn the propane off. And they said that our house smells like propane company just for everybody tried to tell me I didn't pay my bill, which is a fucking lie and They fucking turn the propane off and they said that our house smells like propane because as the tank drains it was $21 I just checked What big spenders? Are you kidding? I'm gonna fight people whenever I get done with this podcast. I'm so mad. You have no idea, Katie, what I've been dealing with today. Meanwhile, it's Antarctica in here.

It's so cold. I know I feel so bad. I'm like, do you want my jacket? It's a Raiders jacket. She's like, no, thank you. Yeah, thank you. No, it's okay. So I wanna get to know you.

I did a little digging on you last night and you're kind of like a you know enigma like you're this beautiful woman that's online that has a presence and all this stuff of course we know who your baby daddy is but you have so much more to you and I want everybody to know that about you so I want to just kind of start from the beginning like where did you grow up tell me a little bit about your childhood and all that stuff. We're going through some childhood trauma therapy right now.

Oh my god, what kind? So that's fun. EMDR. Okay, yep. Oh yeah, you told me that the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, let me get some sessions in before I open my mouth. Aww, isn't it crazy that as adults we're correcting things that we didn't ask to be done to us?

That but also it's just like, it's crazy how they, even like me my whole life, I'm like, you have to work for this stuff, otherwise it'll come up later. And then you're like, oh, okay. So that's why I'm the way I am. But it's not bad. I mean, it is what it is, but I grew up in Florida

and lived there for about nine years. And then I moved to Knoxville, Tennessee. My mom had been married prior to me being born and so I have a half brother which I don't think of it as like a half but so we moved to Knoxville to be closer to him because that's where he lived and then lived there for I guess when did I move I was 21 I had just turned 21 or 22 and then lived there for, I guess, when did I move? I was 21. I had just turned 21 or 22 and then met someone and moved to Nashville.

So I've been here for about eight years now. I had read somewhere that you changed your name, like the spelling of your name when you were younger. Why is that? I did. So I started going by KatieT after I got saved. So I did it like, Katie, I always say it's like a before Christ and then after Christ.

How old were you when you got saved? Eighth grade. Okay. So it was kind of like you were like shedding the old you. Yeah. When I didn't change it then, I only changed it legally like three years ago. Okay. But also it was literally Katie, Katie, IE Smith.

And any time I went anywhere, there was like 700000 of them. Yeah. And that's kind of annoying. So now it's a little bit easier. She's like, I want to be different. I need to set myself apart. Yeah. I love that, though.

So growing up, what was your relationship like with your parents and your family? My dad passed when I was four. And so they weren't together though. They were already divorced. And I found out, she says that I found out like soon after, but I'm pretty sure I found out a few years later. But yeah, I was just raised by a single mom

and we've always had a really good relationship. She actually lives about 10 minutes from me. So always had a really good relationship. She actually lives about 10 minutes from me so we have a good relationship now. We've been through some rough patches but other than that it's just been it's been me and her and my aunt and my Nana so they still live well my aunt's been stationed in the Navy in different places so where I grew up in Key West, she moved from there. So that was like my happy place, like my home. I haven't been back since she moved,

but she lives in Hawaii now, but definitely always been surrounded by women, which I love. I love that. So that automatically makes you a girl's girl. Yes, for sure. Whenever you grow up around women like that. I've always had a core group of women just around me too. And I just, I think there's nothing better

than that feminine energy and just like, you know, being able to soak it up. And being able to be, I think that's where a lot of my independence comes from is having to be the man in my life. No. That also comes for like, where I have issues where I'm too independent

and I can't have that codependency. I'm just very much like, if I don't do it, it's not gonna get done type mindset. Because you're in your masculine energy. I am and I really wanna enter the soft era and that's what we're working on right now. Yeah. Because I can't do that.

It takes time and it really, and I preach this to a lot of the girls that come on the podcast too, because I'm very in my masculine energy too. Like I a boss you have to it's my way or the no way or like I'm not gonna ask anybody for help but when I finally got with my husband it softened me in a way that I can't even explain because it was like it was I finally didn't have to take the lead anymore not saying that you need a man to be softened at all because you don't. I did because I just was fucking just balls to the wall, but you'll know. It'll hit you one day and you'll just be like, you know what?

You'll soften naturally. I don't have to do it all. Yeah, and I think once you're done going through therapy, and to me therapy is just a forever journey anyways, I think once you get to a certain point in therapy too, you'll have the coping skills and the knowledge of how you wanna apply it. That's what I'm hoping for.

Because it's definitely taught me things about myself and I'm like, okay, that stuff we can veto. Like I don't want to carry that from the other generations. Like I want to break that cycle and be able to let someone take care of me or like have decisions made together and it not just be like, okay, I'm the man here. Yeah, I get it though.

And you're also a Scorpio though too, because you guys are like super headstrong. You guys are like deep lovers, but at the same time it's like you guys also have a- My way or the highway. Yeah, I get that. So tell me about your relationship with Jesus, because you talk about getting saved in eighth grade,

and I do see that you carry that relationship now still into your everyday online life also. So tell me about that relationship. Yeah, it's always been really solid. So I didn't grow up necessarily in church. It was more of like a holiday ish type. I always say like the Christmas family, but it was like Easter, Christmas, whatever. And then when I moved to Tennessee,

I was around people more that talked about it, even like in fifth grade, like a friend was like, oh, I got saved. And then I was like, oh, how do I do that? So I like, when she mentioned, she was like, oh, you just have to like say a prayer. I like did it in the car one day after school, but it didn't really mean anything.

And then I would go to summer camps and stuff because my mom worked full time. So I would go to all the summer camps. But I went to like Baptist church where I'd literally fall asleep. And then in eighth grade, I met someone on my softball team and she took me to this overnight,

super fun camping trip. And that's where it really started. I was like, I like this a lot. So I started going to church with her and it was all the time, Sundays, Wednesdays, all the things. And it was a very close youth group to where we were always at the youth pastor

and his family's house. I had a best friend that went through, she had a single mom too, but it was a little bit more rough. So she stayed with the youth pastor a lot. And I ended up staying there a lot with her just to do life. And it was a lot of fun.

But after about a year of going, maybe it was, I don't know. I was around so often then felt like five years that I was there. But after some time passed, the youth pastor that I looked at as a father figure, sexually abused me. And that was a lot to go through because that happened for about a year.

And when I had told one of my other best friends, not the one that lived with them, after a little bit she ended up telling her school counselor and then like DCS got involved and it was just like a whole crap show that had happened. So I ended up 14. You were 14. Okay. 13, 14. I'm so sorry that happened.

It's okay. It was definitely a lot. So I became homeschooled for a year because I loved that church. It was like my family. Yeah. And people that you should be able to trust, you know? That and then they blamed it on me. No.

Yeah, they were like, you're a home wrecker, all this stuff. When I was literally 13, I didn't like know what was going on. So I couldn't go back to that church. Of course, he got fired, but it was still like, I'm being looked at the way I am. So that's why I was homeschooled,

is because it was just like this huge thing around it. And... This is where I have an issue with like, cause I grew up in a really religious home too. I grew up Southern Pentecostal, believe it or not. And I just saw so much hypocrisy when it came to religion. That's why I always say I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. Because it's like these people were supposed to protect you.

And they were supposed to show you like, you know, how to walk in life and like, you know, faith and just and that's an abuse of power, you know, But then to gaslight you and say that this was your fault, that's so disgusting and so not fair, and you didn't deserve that. It was definitely hard to walk through, but in that, because I also say I'm not religious, but I have a relationship with the Lord, because Christians have such a cloud of hypocrisy

around them, and I don't want to meet someone and them think that I'm automatically like that. Because there's just so many instances where I'm like, yes, certain things are in the Bible, but I'm not gonna judge you for what you do. I don't care what you do, as long as you're not hurting other people. It's not my place to judge.

And if all sins are counted equally, then I'm like, we're all weighing against each other here and there's no reason to. But in that time, I kind of just like really learned that church hurt comes from people and not from the Lord. It's the people that have the higher powers or so they think. And then they kind of ruin that perception of it.

So it wasn't the Lord that did that to me, but we're supposed to be the church. It's not the church that did it, but everyone around it. That's so beautiful that you could take that kind of pain and still not be mad at the Lord. Because a lot of people would be like, Lord, why did you let that happen to me? Or for you to be able to separate that it was human error

and not God letting that able to separate that it was human error and not God having, you know, letting that happen to you is huge, especially at 13, 14. Like that's why. It's definitely hard. Yeah, I definitely battled with it. I definitely like went into like a dark period. And I mean, that trauma still somewhat carries with me with like my sleep schedule and stuff. Like, he would drive by even after that happened. He would work night shifts. He worked as a youth pastor, but also had an actual job. And he worked night shifts at a company

that wasn't far away from where I lived. And he would drive by at 3 a.m. when he got off over and over in his truck. And so like anytime I like, I hear that noise, I'm like still looking outside. And it's crazy because like 3 a.m. to me is like not the good hour. I'm like, as long as I can make it past 3 a.m.

then I'm good and like safe. But he is stalking you. Yeah, and then a few years later, he actually reached out. I kept having someone call me in the middle of the night from a blocked number. And it would freak me out because I already hate that time. And finally when I answered, like I would just hear like deep breathing and I'm like, okay, even sketchier. I got goosebumps. Like I want to beat this guy up.

Like you've already. He's still a youth passator. So. Oh my God. How are people letting him around children? Well, we went through it had to go through like legal stuff, obviously, when DCS got involved and after I had gone through that for about a year and a half of like talking to so many people and telling them the story over and over again, I was like, I can't heal if I'm just reliving this over and over again and nothing's happening. And so they were like, well, it'll be another,

until you're 18, until like something was figured out. And so I was like, you know what, just drop it because I'm not dealing with it. Cause there was no evidence of it happening even though it happened for so long. So not only did the church not protect you, the judicial system didn't protect you. I don't feel like they protect many people.

No, they don't. I preach about that. They fail a lot of people. And I see it every day because I volunteer and see what these kids are going through. But yeah, he reached out. And I mean, he reached out a lot but never said who it was. And then one day when I answered, he was like, it's me. Like, I'm sorry I put you through all that.

Like I'm in love with you. And I'm like, how did you even get my number? And he was like, well- Sorry, but how much older than you was he? He was 33 when I was 13. Okay. Wife, two young kids that like I literally would say were my brother and sister.

They were the sweetest ever and he's still with his wife and has kids. Well, that was when I looked forever ago. I'm sure they still are. For a woman to stay with a man who does that to a little girl, that is so questionable to me. Like I don't understand, and I get a lot of slack for saying things like that

on my podcast, but I'm sorry, if you're a woman and your husband sexually abuses a 13, 14 year old and you stay with him, you are just as much of the problem as he is. And you have a young daughter of your own. I'm shaking, I'm so mad. But when I asked him how I got my number, he was like, you tweeted it to someone like two years ago

and I found it. And I mean, that's how long the calls were lasting that I would get in the middle of the night. And then I was just like, hey, I have evidence now of you reaching out, because he sent me a text after that too. I was like, I have evidence now of you reaching out. So like, if you don't, if like,

just never contact me again, if so, I can use this as evidence and it'll clear my name and people will know that you were at fault. So I'm going to get a restraining order if you reach out again. To call you and say it's me, I'm in love with you, I'm sorry for what happened, I'm in love with you. Like how old were you when he? 17. So you were 17. So he was almost in his 40s. And this woman is still with him. And I'm still underage. Yeah. Oh my God, that is disgusting. So did you finally get justice whenever?

No, nothing. Nope. Did he finally leave you alone? Yeah, after that, I never heard from him again, thankfully. But he's probably still stalking you online. I'm sure. I mean, if he knew, if he was holding onto a tweet from two years ago, dude is still probably watching your every

move. That is so scary, KT. But he loves Knoxville, so at least he's not close. I'm so sorry. That is just really just I'm just so sorry. You didn't deserve that. And I think you know you didn't deserve that now, too. So I love that for you that you've been able to, you know, get to a

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A little bit better than it is today. Yeah. Prevent some situations from happening for sure. Absolutely. So moving on your 17 on, you're 17, you're picking up the pieces to your life. Where does 17 year old KT go from here? Well, the other shoe dropped. Oh no. I, it's okay.

So I had a very serious boyfriend at that time and it was very close to his family as well. They were just, what I wasn't used to, it was just like a full, huge family and it was just good to be around. So I felt safe. I definitely stayed, I think we were together for a little over four years

and I stayed probably two years too long, but it was because their family felt so safe and great. So keep that in mind, he was with me through this whole scenario, him and his family. But I had a family member around that time. Get a little crazy. Just was like taking, I don't know if you know what trim at all is. It's like higher than ibuprofen, but it's a prescription. But I didn't know what was going on.

Like, they had said they had cancer and quit their job. And the only reason I'm not saying who it was is just because I... It's a huge part of my story. But I also... They've changed so radically that I don't want them to, I don't want them to look bad or... And it's your privacy that you're allowed to keep. Yeah, it's just they've changed so much and I have so much respect for them that I wouldn't want them to go backwards from it. Understandable. But lied about having cancer, lied about all of this stuff.

And I was having to pay the bills. And them just, I had to move out because it was so bad. And I moved out on my own and it was still going on to where it was still going on to where it was like kind of suicidal. Like, well, if you don't help me, then this is gonna happen or just crazy stuff. And it was just a lot.

That's a form of like trauma too. And it's manipulation, but that traumatizes the person that you're doing that to because they know that you love them. And if they're telling you that they're gonna kill themselves then you feel responsible for that yeah and it went on for about two years of it until like I was like okay I can't handle this anymore because it'd be like oh let me help you get a new car because ours got repossessed or let me help you do this because otherwise our electricity won't be on

or I have to pay rent because we'll get evicted. My credit was absolutely demolished and that's because everything was in my name. The apartment that we lived in, the utilities, the cable, if the cable bill, which I didn't know at the time, but like the cable bill wouldn't get paid and then that would be mine in collections or the apartment that I thought was, I was paying, that I thought, getting evicted from that

and then having that on the credit. Let me help you get a car. Oh, wrecked it. Like all this stuff is just piling on top of each other. And finally, like once like the suicidal talk was happening, like I had just started college, I did community college, and I was going through exams and couldn't focus on anything, dropped out.

But I finally got to a point and I was like, okay, you need help. So I went through emails and I realized that it was a lie. And like what was going on cause I was like, what in the world could be going on to act like this, to act like you got fired from your job for like a medical excuse, which at that time, like, I don't know, it would give too much information,

but it just didn't make sense. And so I finally found out like called the doctor's office, like the doctor's office like didn't make sense. And so I finally found out, I called the doctor's office, the doctor's office didn't exist, she wasn't a patient there. This is where your severe independence comes from. I had to be independent, otherwise the other shoe, there were no shoes left to drop. So I was like, you need to get help.

They went to rehab, radically changed. So everything was amazing. Not to cut you off, but this was like, you need to get help. They went to rehab, radically changed. So everything was amazing. Not to cut you off, but this was all, okay. So you looked in those emails and you found out that this person was lying. It was buying trim at all online. So it was an addiction, but they were covering up an addiction

and saying all this other stuff so that they could cover up their addiction. Yes, that's where all the money was going. Wow. Because from when my dad died, we had money to, I think it was probably like 1,100 a month and that alone should have covered rent. But I'm like, where in the heck is that going?

Or if like when they had a job. So there's just a lot of dots that didn't line up. So that's when I lot of dots that didn't line up. So that's when I was finally like, okay, buying drugs online, lying about everything, that's where the money's going, it all made sense. So she ended up going to rehab and it changed everything for the, it was so much better.

Oh, good. I'm glad, because sometimes when people go the first time, it's not easy for them to come back and integrate into the world without, you know, falling back. So I think they realized that it would there was going to be a relationship mended or a relationship that would never be there again. Yeah. And it completely it took a lot of time to rebuild that trust. But it was completely built back up.

Everything just seemed safe and clean and good. So. Good, well, I'm glad that that story has a happy ending. You had said that during all of this, you were going to community college and you had to drop out. Did you end up going back to college after everything got better or?

I went back a couple of times, but never finished. Never finished. So take me on the next journey of your life after you finally get through this, does life calm down a little bit or? Yeah. Where do we go from here? It's like after that, all of that like stress and trauma,

I mean, I broke up with my boyfriend that everyone thinks I was engaged to. Yeah. Never got engaged and they're like, oh, she's been engaged six times. And I'm like, actually, yes, it has been three times, but not to him. You can't help it that you're a bad bitch

and people want to marry you. Hello. Are we using people's engagements against them now? Oh, yes. Really? Yes. Anything you see about me online is like, she's been engaged six times.

I guess she's the problem. And I'm like, why do you have to write songs that literally try to like tie into my life? I guess she's the problem. And I'm like, okay, well, I just don't settle. So yeah, maybe I settle for a little bit. And then I'm like, no, thank you. As you shouldn't.

And I've learned with people online, they're gonna fucking make up whatever they want. As far as I know, I'm a Trump supporter and I'm a racist. And I haven't voted since I was 18. So I'm like, I don't know enough about politics to even give a fucking opinion. But it's like they will label you and make up whatever they want about you. But if you ever fire back, oh, heaven forbid. You can't do that either.

You can't defend yourself for it to lie. No, ever. Yeah. Or it's look at look at we have her responding to us It's like they just love you're damned if you do damned if you're if you don't respond they fuel it with fire No, if not, then they create the fires of their own. Yes, so you were never engaged. He was just your boyfriend Yes, you've only been engaged three times only so we're clear in the. It's all right. I mean, I've been married three times. I hold that against me, motherfuckers. I don't care. It's in my book.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I think there's other things that you can hold against people than that. Like that's crazy. And I'm like, go for it. Like what are you doing? Why are you so involved? Yeah.

Like, are you guys jealous that you don't have three wedding or what are they called? What do they call the engagement rings? You don't have three engagement rings. See, I don't even know because I've only just gone straight to marriage. I've never even been engaged.

Okay. See, I mean that, I mean, I did that with Luke. Yeah. Yeah. And we're going to get to Luke because I'm sure everybody wants to know about Luke. And I actually kind of want to know about Luke too, but let's say, okay, so let's dial back. So you broke up with him and then where do we go from here? I was working at a church at the time.

I love that you're always surrounded by the Lord. Yes. I think that's beautiful. And it was amazing community too. Like I loved, loved, loved that church. And that's where like my love for kids came because I would volunteer in the nursery, but then like, oh my gosh, they, I guess they knew and I didn't know, but they would give me like,

hey, can you stay after and like watch these kids? Like they're really crazy. Like this just, I was watching these two kids that, the parent that worked at the church. So when they were doing worship team, I would watch them. And then I ended up starting working there and I was still watching them, but she had two crazy boys, very crazy.

And they were like, you're the only one that can do it. And I'm like, all right, well, sign me up then. Well, you already have, but here I go. And my love for kids came from that. And then it's funny because not only was I doing the kids ministry, but I was doing social media for them. Didn't think in a million years that I would be doing social media for a living.

And then I met Morgan on Snapchat in 2016. Not the old Snapchat romance. Yes, and I mean, we only snapped for about a month and then we met right after my birthday. And you met him before he was even Morgan Wallen. Yeah. Yeah, so you- And I didn't know who he was.

Right. He had just been on The Voice, but I didn't think that was cool or anything. Yeah. When I showed the people that I worked with at the church, like I was like, just don't judge like the way he looks cause he had like long hair and I was just like, just take it with a grain of salt.

And she was like, oh, he's cute. And I was like, oh, you think so? So we started dating and- How soon after you guys were snapping for that month? Like what was the first date? Like a month later, we didn't have a first date. Oh, so you guys just went straight into the frying pan. Yeah, so he invited me to like his show,

which wasn't really a show, there weren't many people there. Yeah. But it was with Josh Turner. And then he invited me to hang out afterwards at this bar, shocker. And it was not, did not go as expected. Oh no, what happened?

I was, he was not thrilled that I wouldn't go home with him. Oh, and so I ended up going home by myself, but it did not end well in that aspect. Then my phone died. But then when I got home, he was like, I'm so sorry. Like all this stuff, like I usually don't act like that. Was he drinking when I was. OK, yes, heavily. Yeah. But then I was like, OK, whatever. We'll try again.

So then we hung out again on Thanksgiving. Um, and then a month later we were like, we were pretty serious around this time. Um, I guess pretty serious as in a month later, but yeah, Jay and I got married a month after we met. So, I mean, you never know when you know, you know, you know, or like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? I thought I've known a few times. It's okay though.

Hopeless romantic is, I think it's a beautiful thing. It can bite you in the butt. Yeah, for sure. It is like definitely great in the time being. Yeah. But a month later, he invited me to his family's Christmas. And he was like, oh, it's just 15, I swear to this day, he still doesn't say that it was only 15 minutes away,

but I'm like, you told me that we were going 15 minutes away. It ended up being like an hour and a half drive with his like parents that I had never met in the car. And I mean, it was a lot of fun, but I got there and there's probably a hundred people that I had to meet. And it got- So he did not prepare you at all

for meeting the entire family. Not at all. And then it got, it was really serious. We got engaged four months later in April. Just funny, cause I always get engaged around Easter. No more engagements around Easter. Easter's coming up. I'm not doing it. I'm going to call you that day and be like, listen, lady, not happening.

No. Because my other two engagements were on Easter and none of them knew prior. Like, oh, hey, she got engaged in Easter like like two years ago or oh, she just yeah, no. I wonder if it's a karmic pattern. I know you probably don't believe in that stuff but I'll have to look into it. Yeah, I wanna know. Yeah.

Cause I need to stay safe. I need to like be in the clear. Yeah, yeah, well, I'll look it up for you later. Thank you. Got engaged and then. So when you guys got engaged, were you like just head over heels for each other and you guys were just ready to start life together oh yeah i mean throughout our relationship they're

like all the trauma and stuff like i thought he hung the moon and stars like everything that he did i was like amazed by um but yeah he, my ring was from like, what's that store in the mall? Swarovski? Swarovski? Swarovski? Oh. So it was like a $75 ring.

I didn't care. I was just like, I don't want a big ring. Like you could do, it was like the whole, you could give me a ring pop thing. I don't care. So I had to go to work right after that. So we had about five minutes and in the parking lot, he said, are we gonna do this or what?

And then we were engaged. No. That was the proposal at the JCPenney parking lot in Knoxville. Listen, I think it's romantic. Yeah. Not will you marry me or anything, but. Are we gonna do this or not?

Yeah. Are we gonna do this or what? I love that's nice or what? I love that that's that's a sounds like something my husband would do and I mean I loved it Yeah, I was thrilled and then after work we got pizza and celebrated. No And then it's those simple things that like when you get to where you know He is now and like, you know where my husband is now We look back on those times and we're just like, dude, we kind of miss things being so simple. It was so simple. Yeah.

Because now it'd be like expected to be some huge thing that, I mean, there's just no point in all of that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how long after that. I think it was 2017 is when he got asked to go on tour with FGL. So we went on tour together, did all that stuff.

The engagement did not last long. We stayed together, but he wasn't the most faithful. And so I threw the engagement ring, but stayed with him. How were you finding out that he was cheating? Oh, I didn't find out like a lot of it until a lot later. But this time I had just walked out of the van, little tiny van that we were in that we would be with all the stinky guys in for like 17 hours.

And so it was actually before a long drive that I walked out and saw him with another girl in the parking lot. While you were on tour with him? Oh yeah. I mean, this was like very, this wasn't even like the tour yet. This was like one of his private shows at like one of the little hole in the wall bars.

And I mean, he was just like crying, sobbing, snotty, all the stuff in front of the band. Was he like making out with her or were they banned? Yeah. OK. I was like, good Lord. No, it's just in the parking lot, like a whole crowd of people and stuff, which.

Right. So disrespectful. I always still say about the whole, like, I can't speak on something, like a season that I haven't been through. And throughout, like, all of the cheating and stuff, like I still can't. I don't I'm going to say I don't blame him for it just because I don't know how it would be to come into that much fame, like overnight

and just be huge and have all the success and then all these girls like throwing themselves at you, like, I don't know how that is. So I didn't blame him for it. Well, I think that. there comes a sense of respect where you would break it off with the other person. Like, hey, I don't know how to handle this and I don't know how I'm gonna handle this and I don't wanna hurt you.

Yeah, well, my therapist says that he just became that safe space for me of like, I'm not used to the stability of someone just like constantly like being around and being that person that I looked to for comfort. And that's why I stayed. Cause she always, she's like, well, was it worth it? Like all of that pain that he put you through.

And I was like, yeah. Like he still hung the moon and the stars for me. And I, like I said, I don't blame him because I don't know what I would have done if I was put in that position. And I mean, I just happened lots more times than that. And people always say like, oh, she cheated on him too. I've wrote it in a blog.

And I'm like, show me the blog. Cause I never cheated on him. Like I literally thought he hung the minimum stars. Like I probably like put him on such a pedestal that above so many other things that I shouldn't have at the time. Well, you loved him. You were in love with him.

I was very much in love with him. But the other times were like DMs, like the hey girl DMs. And I'm telling you, man, women love to rat out the dudes when they're doing something. I tell my husband that all the time. I'm like, don't fuck around, because if you don't think these girls are not building a case against you, to just, you know.

And they were. Yeah. And then the one time it happened, are not building a case against you. Oh yeah. You know. And they were. Yeah. And then I have the one time it happened, I didn't believe it. Like I was like, you know what? Cause he would always say like, don't ever respond to people

because then it makes our relationship look like it's like wobbly and like you don't want, it's just embarrassing basically. And I believe that I was like, okay, if I respond and it is some like kooky person out there, then it does look like I'm insecure about the relationship. But then I had asked someone that had been around him often, another female, like a wife and asked her,

it's like, hey, I know you've been through this kind of stuff before and you've been in the spotlight longer. What do you think?" And she was like, I would ask for proof. And I was like, are you sure? Like, I don't want it to look bad on our part. And she was like, no, you need it's time. It's time for you to ask for proof. And I did. And she sent me a text of like, hey, what's your apartment code? Like all this stuff. And he was there when I did all that. It was like, I was in the bathtub

and he was just like bawling his eyes out. Like, I'm so sorry, it'll never happen again. All this stuff. And I think at that point, I just kind of also felt stuck because we had an apartment together. And I mean, there was a lot of other times after that, that stuff like that happened that were, that would put me in the fetal position on the floor,

like so much anxiety. Didn't know what to do because I was in love with this man and then stayed, but I loved him. I think it's because a part of you feels like they're gonna change, you know? And everyone around me would tell me that they were changing. Yeah. They'll change, like it's just like part of it.

Like, just wait, just wait. Or like my husband didn't stop cheating until they got this age. Like it's just part of it. And I believed it. I prayed all the time for that. But it just never happened. And that's fine. I mean, he's grown as a person now and I respect him more now than I ever have.

His life is extremely private, but what people don't see is that he has grown tremendously. And I respect him so much as a person and he's a great dad and he lives a great life that's private and he can still do what he does while keeping it private. And I think that's great. And I love that he's had that radical change and it wasn't with me, but that's okay.

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That was a hard time. I had just gone on tour with him for like the first time in forever. Because when you're hidden in a relationship, you don't get the hey girl DMs. So I was hidden for a while so that people didn't know we were dating and even though you guys had already been together

and been public. Yeah, it was like going public and then not being posted again ever. And I didn't post anything ever either. I randomly would, but no one followed me. No one knew who I was, so it didn't matter. And then I went on tour. That was like the first time in a very long time, I guess. I mean, you can't really

cheat on someone if they're not with you or if they are with you and then It's near Halloween. It was the Luke Holmes tour and He got super drunk I was drunk He got mad about something And sent me home from Canada by myself While I was drunk. That was probably like the scariest like time

that I went through, because I am not airport savvy. And I was in an Uber crying to the Uber about life. Oh God. Yeah. And then like getting to the airport and throwing up all that stuff. Oh no. Getting home.

And it was like the same thing as always, like after it happens, I'm so sorry, all this stuff. I had blocked him at this point, even though we were still good and well dating, but I would block him, we'd get back together and it was just a constant cycle of that. Is that toxic passion? Yes.

And yeah, definitely had that. I don't remember what it's called, but when you can't let go of it. Trauma bond. Trauma bond. Yes. But I got the emails of like, probably four days before I found out of I'm ready to settle down.

I want to start a family with you. I'll start posting you again. Like, I want you on tour with me, all this stuff. And then I found out and sent him a picture of my pregnancy test, and it all just kind of went to crap from there. And then we only talked probably like twice out of my entire pregnancy, while everyone else was like,

hey, he'll come back. Like once he meets the baby and like all this stuff, like it'll be like a huge change, all of this. And it was not that. So you told him that you were pregnant and then he just completely like wanted nothing to do with it? Yeah. We went back and forth. We went back and forth because right when it happened I was fighting him on like all the stuff that he would always say. I'm like, clearly it isn't true

because of how this even happened. So I was fighting him of like this can't, like we can't be together type stuff. The stuff I would always say to fight back to it so that he would fight even more. But then it kind of fizzled out from there of like, okay, you're right. But I was still trying to make it work. And he had just kind of

took his own path. And so we talked once I'd had him come over when I was pregnant, and then we slept together. And then nothing else came from that again, until like right before I was about to give birth. And then he until like right before I was about to give birth. And then he came to the hospital right after I gave birth. It was during COVID, so only one person could be in the room. And my mom was in the room with me and he came right after that, saw Indigo, all that stuff,

and nothing ever came from it. And 2020 was a wild year for him. Yeah. But it is what it is. And I mean, it took him a while to be where he is now about like being on a good path, but It happened. Thankfully before Indigo was too old to realize it.

How did you come up with the name Indigo? Cause that is such a beautiful name. I love it. Thank you. Yeah. I saw it in a dream and I was like, you know what? We're gonna run with this. And it was gonna be Indigo James. But he was not a fan of the name Indigo.

And so I was like, you know what? Fine, I'll change it. I changed it the day I got, I had him. And I was like, I'll just make it wilder because it's a family name for Morgan and he was always super close to his granddad and his granddad passed. So it was a very like special name for him.

So it just became Indigo Wilder. And it was like a compromise without having to change the whole thing. But I love it because it is a family name. Yeah, I love the name Indigo So take me on this journey of being a new mommy. How was that for you? It was good. It was a lot because I had No one knew who I was before that I had my close friends and that was about it

and then he announced that he had a son and all of it came in and so it was a lot to juggle that. I remember when that all went down actually, yeah. So I didn't know about any of that. I didn't know about that lifestyle and then just seeing Morgan go through it. And then to be leaving the hospital with all of these news outlets coming in

and like wanting a statement and all this stuff. And I was just like, I have a two day old baby. Like this is a lot, but it was during COVID. So that was nice because it was just us at home being able to spend time together and my world had changed. Like I didn't have FOMO anymore. Like I was just good with being home with him. And the social media thing ended up working out

because I didn't have to go back to work. And it was nice. Yeah, you started building your presence on social media. So to put all the rumors to rest, is there a chance for you and Morgan to ever get back together? Absolutely not. No.

But you guys co-parent now and are you guys friends? Yes. We get along really well. We co-parent really well. Like I said, he's a great person. I respect him with everything. If I am ever going through something and I need advice, that's who I go to.

He's been through a lot. He has people that know more than I do. And we co-parent enough to go on school tours together and do that kind of stuff. I love that he's getting involved and being a dad, so that's awesome. Do you ever feel like any of his songs are written about you?

Because I see this online all the time. He's writing this song about her. This is a song to KT. Literally. And you're in the comments fighting fighting for your life like no. He would never admit that any of them are. Yeah. But some I'm like, that kind of hits too close to home. If you could think of any of his songs that you would think would

be like, you know, you inspired we won't even say written about you that you could have possibly inspired which ones do you think it would be? inspired, we won't even say written about you, that you could have possibly inspired. Which ones do you think it would be? Well, I know, um, you make it easy. The one that was given to Jason Aldean, he did, cause we were together when that happened. That one was about me, but the ones that I'm not going to ask, but I'm like, our bandaid on a bullet hole and, um,

I don't know, there's probably probably I wrote the book for sure because there's a spot in there where it says like she says I'm good at everything and I literally he is good at everything he does he could have not ever touched a golf ball in his life but hit a hole in one somehow yeah it's crazy that the Lord decides to give all the talents and things to one person. Like, can we share that? But, and then the one he just came out with that

it's called, I guess, I think, I think that's what it's called. There's a part in it that says, you hate that when you're looking at me, see like you halfway see yourself. And I'm like, yeah, that could be. Do you think you guys are twin flames? Yeah.

Yeah. Cause there's usually always a runner and one that stays and sometimes it flip flops back and forth, but like with twin flames, there's always long periods of separation too. And then you guys always seem to find your way back to each other. Not that I'm saying that will happen.

That part's not gonna happen, but I do think that like, there is always like a person that kind of has half your soul in a way. Yes, and you guys mirror each other. Yeah. You will mirror each other's traumas to each other. Yeah, like I feel like there's not anyone else that can handle the inner demons that, we don't know what they are, but I feel like there's not anyone else that can handle the inner demons that we don't know what they are, but I

Feel like I I feel them and so definitely don't want to be with him we don't want to be with each other, but I Won't ever feel that way about anyone else Well, I think you're hot AF. So Morgan lets you fucking slip through the cracks. I don't know what's wrong with him, especially cause you're already his baby mama. But anyways, moving on from Morgan,

let's talk about like how you started building your social media because that's how I came to know you was I think maybe Instagram or TikTok is how I found you. And I was like, oh my God, she's beautiful. And then I loved like your perspective on things and I just started following you and just kind of fell in love with who you are as did a lot of people.

So take me on that journey. Thank you. Well, it started from announcing that I had his baby but after that, I just, managers raced out and I had a few, like a few different managers that would get ads for me and stuff. But in order to get the ads, I had to keep up an online presence.

And so, I mean, I feel like my followers have been through all of it with me. I did not know how to keep some things personal back then. So I would just kind of, you know, let it all out. I think we all go through that, when we first get social media followings, we're like just word vomit. And then we're like, oh, okay, maybe I can't say that.

Literally, I'm like, what was I thinking? But it's okay, because that's part of the spiciness that I can somehow try to hide now. But I mean, I would just share my life. And as a lot of people don't think that I'm authentic on there, I'm not gonna hide anything. I'm an open book. Life is what it is.

And if it happened, I would admit to it. Okay, what exactly is being authentic and not authentic online? I feel like people are allowed to present what they want to. Like you don't, people are not entitled to receive everything from everybody's life. So who dubs it authentic or unauthentic?

Well, you share your story and they're like, oh, that's not true. Oh girl, trust me. I get told all the time. I'm like, do you think if I was gonna embellish a story, I was gonna be a Vegas hooker? Like I would have fucking graduated from Harvard and been a plastic surgeon if I was gonna embellish a story, I was gonna be a Vegas hooker? Like I would have fucking graduated from Harvard and been a plastic surgeon

if I was gonna lie about my past, you know? We could say a lot more. Yeah. And like, I could even share a lot more of my story and I don't because it's like, y'all ain't gonna believe it anyway. That's why I like don't even defend myself anymore. I'm like, you know what?

Y'all are gonna think what you think. Yeah. But yeah, that was definitely hard to get adjusted to was all of the hate, especially with like it and stuff. I stopped reading in 2022 or three. No, it was definitely 2022. And because I would spiral when I read it because it's just like.

It's a bunch of people who are just, and by the way, I bleep out podcasts because I will never give them any fucking credit or attention. I just think those people over there are fucking sick. Like something is wrong with you to sit there and just tear down somebody else's life that's doing way more than you ever could

behind a fucking fake screen name with no profile picture. And like, where's your time? Like these people are like, oh, I don't have all the time. But I'm like, clearly you have a lot of time to investigate and to like see if someone's breathing wrong or like, yeah. Because there's like going on social media and like commenting negative stuff on people's stuff. That's one thing I'm like, I would never in my life

see a video that I didn't like and comment something on it. I just scroll past it. I'm like, okay, whatever. Yeah. But then to start a page about someone that I'm like, you guys have no lives. And for these people to have husbands and kids,

Yeah. Are you okay? Yeah. Like do your husbands know you're doing this? Yeah. And sometimes what's even worse is the men that are on there tearing apart women. It's just so weird, dude.

Like I just, I don't get it. And I'm glad that you don't allow that in your life either. Heck no. Yeah, you can't because you're, you're never gonna be hated on by somebody who's doing more than you. Yeah. Or doing the same as you, you know.

Or even like with DMs and stuff, I always have to tell myself that I'm like, clearly they're not doing anything. That's bold. If they're DMing you hating, I mean, you got to give them a fucking round of applause. Oh no, it's still a private account. Oh, okay.

Yeah, no, it's still no one's like actual page. I was like, damn, now they're getting bold. I was like, you got the brave ones. No, it's always like, there's one person that always uses the name Haley on there, but she's the one that if there's something good posted about me on the internet, she's on there fighting, like, oh my gosh, you know, she did this, she did this.

And I'm like, can you take a break? Yeah, imagine dedicating your life to just tearing somebody down. Like I could never just wake up in the morning, have a cup of coffee and go and fucking hate. Like I just couldn't do it. That takes dedication.

No, she's like- She should be getting paid for that. I don't like that much negative energy. I would feel so gross about myself. Like there's no way. I would just never be able to leave a bad comment. Yeah. Well, at least, I mean,

they clearly have nothing to live for. Yeah. So it's sad on their part. Well, since we're talking about it, let's talk about all these plastic surgery accusations that I've seen that you have because you're a fucking beautiful woman. Thank you. And everybody's like, I don't know about some, but yeah, yeah.

Well, I've just I've seen a couple things where people are like, she's had so much work done. You know, people say the same thing. They look at the picture from like 2007. There's this one dang red carpet picture that I was not supposed to walk on the red carpet. I was going with him to get ready for it. And then his manager was like, Hey, she should walk with you. And I'm like, I look like a referee and a white and black striped jumpsuit, barely any

makeup on back then. I didn't even know how to wear makeup. Yeah. My teeth were effed up. Like yes, I got veneers. And that basically did change my whole face, like put veneers on that 2017 picture. And it would be so much better regardless of being referee. And look how much cuter he looks then too. I'm sorry. You guys aren't judging him.

Well, you know what it is? You guys have baby here like we all I think all women have their baby faces And then like when you get to a certain age we lose, you know that kind of chunk right here, too Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But you look beautiful The only thing that if I were to look at this and judge it I would say the only thing is that's different is your teeth and maybe you got your lips on lips for sure That's it. I don't I did not know how to put makeup on or smile. Like that was actually like aesthetically pleasing. It was back then when like you smile like goofy happy. Um, no, I think, I think you look beautiful. And I think that if anybody

could tell it's literally just lips and veneers, that's it. That's the only difference. No, I haven't had anything. Oh yeah. If you type in our pictures, there are, oh, there's Luke. There are some really cute ones that we have together that are like, okay, they are a really good looking couple. I think you guys are a beautiful couple. But. And you guys make beautiful babies. We already know that, so.

Yeah. Why stop now? Not that, but I'm like, can you at least like give me your sperm so that like, I don't have multiple baby daddies. Literally. That's the hardest part about co-parenting too, I think. It's just that it's like, I want Indigo to have

full half brothers and sisters, or full brothers and sisters. I could get past, therapy has helped me like, okay, no, you'll be fine if you have more kids, but it's just hard to think and have to explain to Indigo why he has to leave and go somewhere else if other babies get to stay with me all the time. And that's like the hardest thing for me to think of.

It's like, if it's that hard for me, like I don't want it to be even harder for him to be like, why do they get to stay with you? Like, why do I have to leave type thing? But also like, I love him so much and he's just so perfect and he's my entire world that is there gonna be another child that compares to that? Or if it's not his, am I even gonna like it as much?

Not because it's his, but like that's because what I know, like Diego is the way he is because he has such a mix of both of us and it's sweet. Like he's very wild and sassy and funny, but also like the sweetest kid in the entire world. And he's like the happiest boy in the entire world. Maybe this is a conversation that you and Morgan need to have.

Absolutely not. Like, hey man, can you just freeze your sperm for me and I'll do IVF. Just because then it would just come out looking like him and then people would know. Oh no. It'd literally be a spitting image still. Damn it.

So as far as like plastic surgery, what have you had done? So we can just get that off the- My lip, I get my lips done, which I hadn't even had my lips done for the past two years. And then I recently got them done again. Cause I was like, hey, if they're gonna say I have fake lips, I might as well get them and left them.

I mean, and who fucking cares? Yeah. Your face. And then I get Botox in my forehead and that's it. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell I'm sitting here looking at you and I don't see like jaw surgeries or fucking cheek implants or anything crazy.

I've always had big cheeks and like in our photos together, you can see that especially like the close up one, like it's all cheeks. Same. I've always had big cheeks. I actually, I think I do. Oh, I not that close. I like the angle with my nose. I've never done anything to my nose. I used to hate my nose, but my mom would say

I had my dad's nose, so I would never change it. It's beautiful. And sometimes I do wake up looking like an ogre in the morning and you can tell that I never did anything to it. Stop it. Stop it. Listen, we all wake up looking like ogres in the morning. I don't care who we are. None of us fucking wake up looking gorgeous. I didn't know to it. Stop it. Stop it. Listen, we all wake up looking like ogres in the morning. I don't care who we are.

None of us fucking wake up looking gorgeous. I mean, I didn't know how to contour back then. Yeah, I still don't. I didn't even know how to put eyeliner on. Yeah. So I was just rolling out with caking on foundation and putting powder on top of it and mascara and no lipstick. Listen, if I didn't have Hailey, I'd be out here

in these streets looking rough, OK? I don't know anything about makeup. Hair, got you. Makeup, cannot do it to save my life, especially now. Like there's so much like technique and shit that goes into it. There's, I can't do it. I try to watch tutorials and it never works.

But I'm like, how do y'all do this? So like if my makeup artist does my makeup, I'm like, okay, I've got it this time, like locked in. Then I go home and do it, absolutely not. Yeah, no, I could never, I've tried to do my makeup, like how Hayley does it does not fucking work not at all. All right so moving on from the plastic surgery let's talk about the recent events that have happened in your life with um a relationship that you got into about I think what like nine months ago? Okay no okay first of all we dated for almost two years that'll be two years in May. Okay.

So yes, we were only married. Well, we still are married technically. So nine months. Yeah. But, so we started dating in May of 2023. How'd you guys meet? We were at the ACMs. So I went with Whitney and Kayden. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I want to talk about that too, about you and Kayden. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I want to talk about that, too, about you and Kayden in the car accident. Should we talk about that first? Sure. OK, let's talk about that. Today's two years. That happened two years ago today. Oh, my gosh. Are you serious?

Yeah, I posted a busted up picture on my face on my snap today. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Bring that up, because I remember I was so worried about you guys. You can probably just look up wreck pictures and it'll definitely come up because I looked crazy. Yeah, I think I text Kayden whenever you guys. We'll look up wreck pictures and it'll definitely come up cause I looked crazy. Yeah, I think I text Kayden whenever you guys were going through that to make sure you guys were okay. So did you, you and Kayden ever date?

Were you guys dating? No, we weren't dating. The smile is giving it away. It wasn't dating. All right. It was something. You guys were just hanging out. Yeah, we were bopping around.

So what happened this night? Morgan Wallen's ex fiance, at least it wasn't baby mama. Right. We were at a writer's round and I am I liked Caden a lot at the time. He's a sweet boy. Yes. He is very sweet. He gets a lot of shit online too. And I don't know why. Yeah, like he's such a sweet dude. It's very great. Um, but I kind of like cut off like the whole situation at that time of like wanting to be with him, but it not working out. the writers round together and I'm really bad at just like saying no to things but my friend was like how about you take him home and I was like whatever fine so I was on my way taking him home and we got hit we got smashed um ended up in the hospital but it was super sweet I mean he like prayed over us in the hospital as we were leaving.

And I mean, nothing happened between us after that. Except well, a lie. Then we went to Texas, not as like a thing. We went to the ACMs and Whitney invited me. And so I went with Whitney and Kayden. And I love that you and Whitney were hanging out too. Yeah, that definitely started a lot, but it was fun. Well, because Whitney says that she's hooked up with Morgan too.

So whenever you guys were together, I think that kind of like set the internet. And I'm like, that's what I said. I was like, who hasn't? Like, it's fine. Like, I don't care if someone slept with him before. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, we bonded over it. Yeah. And I mean, Whitney's a sweet girl. I think Whitney gets way too much hate. She, we bonded over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Whitney's a sweet girl. I think Whitney gets way too much hate. She doesn't fucking deserve it. Granted, she plays into it and she, you know.

Yeah, I mean, I would, she's beautiful. Yeah, and she instigates it online, but in person, Whitney really is just a sweetheart. Yeah, and I was drawn to that. She had those, so much potential. And I mean, she couldn't see it within herself. But she has a lot of potential. She is very sweethearted and I know she cares a lot.

Yeah, she's got a good spirit. So back to this accident though. So what happened? Like somebody just cut you guys off and smashed into you? Cause this looks really freaking serious. A semi ish. I guess it was like a was a Penske truck. And yeah, is this an hour. I love that's Regina George is. I love that is is this in a lawsuit. Are you guys, you know,

so it was over this time. Yeah. It's been two years now. Yeah. And I can't believe that was two years ago. Do you miss her? I do miss her Well, I'm glad you guys are safe. What happened? What injuries did you get from this? My face was insane. Yeah, can we pull up a picture of her face? It's on your snapchat right now. Yeah, but it's probably on there you type in face. Oh I like that it came up when you oh, yeah, look at that It was like that for a while too. I right here they never said that if it was broken or not but they thought my cheekbone was broken but I had like this weird dent for like the longest time

in my face like when I would smile and sometimes it actually still hurts but my face was like mainly the issue like I was bruised and everything all over, but then Kaden like really messed up his elbow and had stitches and stuff. But it definitely could have been a lot worse. Way worse, right? Especially getting hit by a Pinsky truck. That's crazy.

Yeah, they were like, you guys should have been dead. Wow. Definitely should have. But then there's of course, without that I was drinking and driving, but obviously I would have been arrested. Kayden was definitely hammered, but he wasn't driving. I do have to ask you about the pastor scandal.

Can we have some insight and clarity on that whole situation? Yeah, and if people didn't tune in for the baby mama drama, this is definitely what they're coming for. But if anything is ever said on social media, if I post anything or if anyone's like, you know what, like she's such a great person,

there's gonna be those people that comment back immediately within five seconds. And like, did you not hear that? She slept with her pastor on a mission trip. And I shared it right after it happened, because I don't even know how it got out. I guess one of like my friends had leaked it somewhere. Those aren't friends.

Yeah, I don't even know who it was, but I know they're not in my life anymore. Yeah, they are. And I don't know, like there are certain people that I share certain details with, which, you know what what, like it's not anything to hide. I shared part of my response to it right after it happened, but then I got married and when these comments come up and people want me to talk about it, I just didn't think it was respectful

to talk about when I'm married. And I also didn't wanna hurt his image even more either, because yes, he, so long story short, I had been going to this church in Nashville since I lived here, so for a long time. And I honestly should have left like a while ago because I was leading a small group and I got pregnant and they told me to step down because I had a baby

I was having a baby out of with block And I ended up just I did step down but I Took the small group outside of the church and they stayed with me. They were like, that's BS honestly, which it was but I understand That you're held to a different standard leading a small group whatever But I ended up going there, staying there for a long time. And a mission trip opportunity came up to go to Kenya. I was super back and forth about it, but I was excited about it.

And I just felt like the devil was trying to make me not go just because it was out of my comfort zone. I didn't know anyone going on the trip. And then randomly, I always had this, like there's campus pastors and they're not the ones that like mainly speak, but they speak a few times a year.

They come and give announcements on the stage. I randomly had one that would like randomly just like reply back to like my sermon post or like a biblical song or like whatever it is. And I never thought anything of it. Like if he still had social media, I wish I could pull up those receipts where I didn't respond when he liked the story

or whatever it was. But then he had reached out and was like, hey, I'm actually the one leading this trip. And I was like, oh, okay, he seems pretty cool. Maybe I should go. And I feel like I know him since he is always on stage or doing whatever. So I didn't really know him and I was still super nervous to go.

It wasn't until like that week that we were leaving that I was like, everyone else is getting their vaccines and all this stuff and I'm like, eh, whatever. It'll work out. Ended up going. And I've always been one to like really read people. If someone's going through something, I feel like a weight on my chest.

If I'm in Walmart, I'll have like a random like weight on my chest and I'm like, someone in here is going through something. Cause like, I know how to separate it now where I used to not. I used to be like, okay, something's like going on. Like why do I have anxiety for no reason? But it's usually just someone else's weight.

And I felt that. And we were all in a group chat for the mission trip. But then like when we were in the group at the airport, I had mentioned how like the wifi sucks on planes. And like we have like a 24 hour flight basically. And I was hoping that the wifi didn't suck. But then when we got on the plane, he messaged me outside of the group and was like,

oh yeah, the Wi-Fi does suck, ha ha. And I was like, that's weird. So it kind of threw me off a little bit, but then I kept feeling that weight. Once we got there, we all like split up into groups and all this stuff and I was always in his group. And so, I mean, I felt comfortable enough to ask. I was like, hey, I feel like you have a demon.

Like what's going on? And he was like, wait, what? And I was like, I don't enough to ask. I was like, hey, I feel like you have a demon. Like what's going on? And he was like, wait, what? And I was like, I don't know. I just like fill your vibes. And I feel like there's something going on that you're not sharing. And he ended up telling me that he was going through a divorce and he was like, it's really hard

because I can't be going through a divorce while being a pastor. Like it's part of like our thing, like we'll get fired, all this stuff. And I totally understood that. And I was like, well, you're still wearing your ring and all this stuff. And I hadn't gone through a divorce before at this time.

Like I didn't, I thought it was kind of like cut and dry, like whatever that saying is, whatever. And just thought, okay, they probably like signed papers because he had said that they had papers that they had signed and like figured stuff out, but that not all the details are figured out yet. And he was still wearing his ring and I was and he was he basically said that he was still wearing his ring because the sun that he took on the mission

trip didn't know in this like he had a tradition to where each one of the kids got to go on a mission trip. And this was his son's first time doing that and he didn't want to ruin the experience. All very believable. Like I still believe a lot of it to this day. And so nothing happened on the trip. We did not sleep together on the trip. And technically in my mind, he was getting divorced or divorced. Didn't really know. Like he would show me messages. Like we started, when we got home, we hung out and then things kind of like progressed a little bit to where I was getting feelings for him just because to me it seemed like he was responsible

and he had kids and like, he kind of knew that life of like, hey, I love the Lord, but like I'm going through a divorce but I also know like how to be around children. And I didn't really think that was like possible with other people. I don't know. I just didn't think anyone would be interested one in a single mom, but also like love Jesus and whatever. So he would show me messages and stuff about like the divorce and from his wife, I guess at the time, about the divorce and like how he wasn't staying there. And like, he would move out, but then like, she had to get a job and all of this crazy stuff.

But I was seeing it. So it was true, like it was happening. And then he was on sabbatical at the time. And so he was away from the church, I guess like off, I think it was like a month and a half. And his sabbatical was about to end. And he was like, the church, I guess, like off for, I think it was like a month and a half. And his sabbatical was about to end and he was like, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna talk to the pastor there and meet with him and let him know what's going on

and kind of like put my notice in. And he was supposed to go, he was going back on a Monday and his meeting was on a Wednesday. He had gone in on that Monday and texted me and was like, I feel like something like weird is going on. And he asked me to meet today. And he was completely thrown off guard because he thought this was just

a meeting and not like he wasn't quitting on this day. He was just going to see. And I was like, Okay, well, whatever happens, like, I mean, it's gonna be fine, regardless, like, I'll be praying about it. But I was like, OK, well, whatever happens, like I mean, it's going to be fine regardless. I'll be praying about it. But I was like, whatever you feel led to do, do it. Like whatever it is. I don't know all of the demons you're facing, because clearly there was a lot more

going on than what I was told. And at that time, I lived in my old house. And I had like a war room in there to where I would put all my prayers on the walls and stuff. And that was like all that that room was used for. And I even put on there like, hey, Lord, like if he's meant to be with his wife and they rekindle, like that's amazing.

Like let that happen and let me be fine with it. Like let it be okay. Like let whatever decision he needs to do, like let him do it. He texted me right after that meeting. And it was like this very like generic message that was like, unlike anything that he'd ever said, it was just like, I'm leaving for I'm leaving for 30 to 60 days, I won't have my phone, I'm ending communication here. What the hell? I was like, wait, what?

And the crazier thing about it is that I responded and my message went through green. I was already blocked. So like out of like this whole time of like talking and like him talking to me about everything and like wanting a future with me, like all this crazy stuff. And you guys were having relations during this time.

Yes. Just not in Kenya. Not in Kenya. Okay. Like I really did at the time like him a lot. Yeah. And he was always talking about a future and how he wanted to start his own church

that wasn't religion-based, but relationship-based. And just not, everyone can actually feel welcome to go. And so I waited a while, because I was in the dark, really, with, I didn't know what was going on. I was like, that message is weird, but where is he getting sent off to? Why are you gonna be gone for 30 to 60 days,

or 60 to 90 days actually? So I waited and waited and waited. Nothing ever came by it. And then one day I remember I was sitting on my couch upstairs and I was praying. I was like, Lord, like I literally like, I'm sorry for asking for so many signs because that shows like weakness

and me not fully trusting in you. And I was like, so whatever, like, don't give me a sign. Then he FaceTimes me randomly after I think probably a little over a month. And at first I didn't answer because I was like bawling my eyes out. I was like, Lord, what are you doing? And he was like, I only have like four minutes to talk. I'm at a rehab. They sent me here. I'm never, I never sent you that text. Like the lead pastor sent it to you.

They have your name blocked from anytime. Like you text or email me. Like you're not allowed to reach out. They want me here to work on my marriage. Like all this stuff. I love you. Whatever, like I won't be able to communicate again, but just like know that I love you, whatever, like I won't be able to communicate again, but just like know that I love you.

And I was like, okay, so there's that. Me thinking kind of like that was a sign, like it'll still work out because if he's telling me this, like what's actually going on? You finally answered the FaceTime or did you leave us in a message? Okay. Yeah. And we didn't have long to talk.

Like I couldn't ask like, okay, like, so what's the plan here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. have long to talk. Like I couldn't ask like, okay, like, so what's the plan here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you going back? Like, should I do like peace out? Like, I can respect that, like be honest with me. So I waited again, this time, like, probably like a month and a half.

And then my family had come in town for Thanksgiving that I was hosting. And I got this like very, an email sent from my wife. And you can tell because he had a new email and it was him and his wife's name at gmo.com and I could tell that it was just like I'm so sorry for everything like not to me I'm so sorry to my wife and to the church like of everything that I ever did like I shouldn't have hurt them that way. Like don't reach out again, don't do anything, don't like mention anything about me. This was all a mistake, like very cut and dry.

And then I honestly never heard from him again after that. So it was like very strange. Cause like part of me was like, what's he lying the whole time? And then like got caught in it. This is like some shit you watch on fucking lifetime movies. Like this is wild. It was insane because the church started hating me.

And I was like, first of all y'all. Why do they always attack the woman and the man never gets held to the same. And I'm like, y'all should have seen if there were issues, like mental issues going on with him before this, cause they had mentioned that like, like mental issues going on with him before this. Cause they had mentioned that like, oh, Drew had just been through a lot

and like we didn't like know what he was going through. And I'm like, y'all were walking with him every day. Y'all should have been mentors. Y'all should have been helping him and guiding him and like leading him in the right path. Let alone letting him go on church trips and leave church trips. Like what, I'm sorry, there's a disconnect there,

but also someone should have kept me in the loop here. Like, hey, I'm still married, I'm gonna work on my marriage. Or like, actually I was like, all he could have said is I was going through divorce, but then I was led to stay with my family and rekindle that. That would have been great. Cause I was also praying for that. So the whole time that I was kind to stay with my family and rekindle that. Yeah. That would have been great. Because I was also praying for that.

So the whole time that I was kind of like in the dark, I was praying that if he decided to go back to his wife, that like his kids wouldn't have trauma from this. Like I was praying for his kids and like there was like a misconception. People are like, well, she said that he got kicked out of the church because his son was gay. And I'm like, first of all, I never said

that people take whatever they want and they run with it. I was saying that he wanted to leave the church anyway, because someone on staff there did have a child. And I didn't want to say his or her anything just because I didn't want people to find out who it was and then them get them meet out them basically. And so I said someone else there had been a pastor and had a child that could have been gay. And that's fine. But he was telling me that he didn't appreciate that because they didn't get to preach as much because of that situation. It was looked like it was frowned upon.

And I didn't believe in that either. I was like, no, that sucks. That's wrong and He was gonna leave anyway before he even met met me or just cuz I wasn't the deciding factor on him getting divorced When we met he told me he was going through a divorce Yeah, and was even showing you text messages between him and his wife. Like what are you supposed to believe? Yeah, and so I Believe that he was going through it, but I mean, I also think that he should have said, hey, I'm gonna work this out with her.

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this has happened to you numerous times in your life, you know, and it's like, like clearly she has something for pastors. And I'm like, okay, well maybe, I don't know, maybe I did. I think you, I think because, and this is just my reading from your whole story that I've learned today is, you know, losing a dad at such a young age,

it's you're gonna carry that through life and men that lead you, whether they're pastors or just leading you in life, you're always gonna be attracted to that because that's something- I've always craved that. That you haven't had. I've never had it. Yeah, as a child.

So, I mean, and listening to you explain this story, it makes 100% total sense, you know, why you were involved with this man, because you truly believe that you guys had a future together. It's not like you went in there intentionally and was like, I'm going to break up a marriage. This man came to you and said his marriage was over.

And that's what people need to understand and they need to stop judging you for just leading with your heart. And you do trust, I have noticed, you trust very easily Whereas which is wild. It should be the opposite. Yeah I think when it comes to men that are in a certain light like, you know

Do you want to be able to trust men of the Lord and you want to be able to think that this is like a picture? Perfect scenario and you don't want to think that they're lying, you know? And for him to have to have gone away to rehab, obviously there was another situation going on. You know, there was something going on that he wasn't telling me. Yeah, there was. Clearly I was not, I wasn't getting told a lot.

Yeah, definitely. I was in the dark a lot before I even realized that I was in the dark. Yeah, definitely more to the story there than I think he had a lot more issues than just cheating on his wife, especially to have to go away for 60 to 90 days. So I am thankful it didn't work out for you

because that sounds like it would have been a nightmare. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think through all of this and all of the lessons that you're learning, I think- I'm tired of growing now. You said you're tired of growing? Girl, get used to it, man. I'm 45 and I still learn lessons.

It's to this day, I'm just like, oh, okay, Lord, I see what you're doing. All right, I know where this lesson's coming back around. So you're never, you aren't growing if you aren't learning. So I think you just, you know, keep leading with love like you are, but maybe be a little more cautious when it comes to the men.

You said something to me when I told you I was going through therapy. And you said it was something to do with our signs and that if I didn't change it or if I didn't fix it, it would keep coming back around. Yeah, so if you don't learn, if you don't change it or if I didn't fix it, it would keep coming back around. Yeah, so if you don't learn the lesson, it'll keep presenting itself to you in different bodies. Yes, and I was like, okay, thankfully,

I realized that it was a me thing and that I needed to fix it because I was like, this could not happen again. I don't want to hurt anyone. I want things to be stable. And thankfully, I'm like, okay, we're healing the root this time. So no more bodies, please Lord.

Like just help me heal. I feel like with Luke, you've kind of broken that pattern though, a little bit. He's not like the other typical. He's not, but I still was still me not healing from my trauma. Right, absolutely. Yes, for sure. But as far as like the men go in your life, He's not, but I still was still me not healing from my trauma. Right, absolutely, yes, for sure.

But as far as like the men go in your life, I feel like you've gone a different trajectory with Luke. Thankfully. Yes, which speaking of Luke, let's get into that. We met at the ACMs when I was with them. And it's funny because we met, the first time we met, we were downstairs at the hotel bar. And I didn't think anything of it, because I still liked Kaden.

Was Luca a Montana boy, or was he anything like that? No. He's in the tack house. OK, I knew he was in something. Yeah, and I didn't know anything about him at all. Didn't know who he was, because I never did TikTok back then. I still really don't even get on TikTok. My comments are off right now, because people are rude. But I also just don't check get on TikTok. My comments are off right now because people are rude.

But I also just don't check it enough to do damage control. Right. And I don't want to have to worry about it. So when it got deleted, I was very excited for like those five hours that it was gone. Your TikTok? Yes.

I was like, oh, finally not to worry about it. Then I was like, wait, I can just turn my comments off and not even have to think about it. Yeah. I hate that you even have to do that though. Well, people are much nicer on Instagram. You can filter your comments so you don't have to turn them off.

Yeah, but then people can still look at the bottom and do review comments and then like, love that. Oh really? Oh yeah. I didn't even know that. They're still like on there to review. I'm like, I don't wanna see them because then I'm gonna end up getting feisty.

Yeah. So I'll get real feisty if I like something like irks me and I'm like, you know what? We're just gonna up getting feisty. Yeah. So I'll get real feisty if like something like irks me and I'm like, you know what? We're just gonna keep our mouth shut. Yeah. But I met him downstairs right after the ACMs and he asked me for my chapstick, which is I didn't even, I didn't know who he was.

And I was just like, okay. A better woman than I had been like, no. Yeah, I didn't even know. didn't know who he was. And I was just like, okay. You're a better woman than I had been like, no. Yeah, I didn't even know. I was just like, okay. So we started talking. I don't know, we talked like a lot that night, but I still didn't think anything of it. Cause we were going to one of the well-known saloons

over there right after. And so I was going with Kayden and Whitney, and then they were doing their own thing. They were, she was actually with Montana Boys that night and wanted me to be with them. And I was like, absolutely not. And then Kaden was with someone else. And so that's all we need is KT with the Montana Boys. Yeah. I was like, no, thank you. I was like, I don't want that headline. Yeah, I didn't want to like go back to their place

that they were staying. I was just like, I'm not feeling that. So I tried to get back in our hotel, but Kayden was occupying the room, couldn't get in, didn't have a key. And it was a lot. And so I don't remember how, but somehow I stayed in Luke's room with him and his

friend Jackson. And we didn't even really like talk that night. I was just telling them like what my situation was. I was like, I didn't want to go to sleep with some random dude that I don't know. And then Kaden's doing Lord knows what in our room. And so I stayed in their room. The next morning we had early flights. So the next morning I left my boots that I was wearing in their room. The next morning we had early flights. So the next morning I left my boots that I was wearing in their room. And because we didn't even really talk, I just kind of like up and left like, hey, thanks for letting me sleep in here. Basically, it's like my life because where else was I going to sleep that night? Yeah. And I was going to like leave the hotel room. I didn't even have Luke's number. And I he had had like left my little boots by my hotel room door. And first of all, that never happens for me.

People are just rude. They would have just left them there when they were checking out too. But he like left my boots by the door. And I was like, wow, that was nice. So then me and Whitney walked over to Cheesecake Factory before we had to leave. And I was like, you know what?

Luke's actually pretty cute. And she was like, went and snapped him. She was like, Katie thinks you're cute. And then he responded back and was like give me her number now and so it went from there we started talking and a week later he flew to Nashville was supposed to stay for two days and stayed for two weeks and then went back to the tack house told him that he was leaving and then a few days later moved to Nashville And in with me Yeah

You guys seemed like you guys were really in the beginning really like getting along and like just like good influences on each other He seemed like he settled into your life pretty easy. Oh, yeah. He was absolutely amazing with Indigo. Just the best. And I mean, I took a lot of security in that, too, just because being a single mom, I feel like it's hard to even be in a relationship because you don't know how other people are going to be with kids, especially ones that are not

their own. Right. And how it would be like and look feature wise. But he stepped into that role and was absolutely amazing. Indigo loves him. He loves Indigo. It was just, it meshed really well. And I loved Luke. I love Luke.

I always love Luke. I don't know like what will happen, but it was just a lot. So there's like, throughout our relationship, I just had issues with certain things and like we both did social media and that's basically, I feel like impossible for two people to both do that career

and for it to be lasting. For me, like I had said earlier, like I want to be in a soft girl era and not feel like I have to take care of so much, but I was taking care of the bills and like all of the bills, except for half the rent, I would pay half the rent and then the rest. And that's just also who I am as a person.

Like I offer to do it, but then it gets to a point where it's like, I don't wanna have to, hold everything together. Take care of the chickens and do like manly things like that and lawn work and all that stuff. And then, I don't know, I just wanted to enter my software era. Yeah.

Social media thing was kind of an ick for me and that was my fault for getting into it, knowing that he did that. I wasn't looking at it like that I was just I didn't care because I loved him so much do you think that you also maybe are carrying some traumas from the Morgan relationship into this because of how like you found out that social media like cheating on you was through social media and girls damning you so it's's like, you probably have that wound still. Yes.

And I told him that. So like the whole relationship, like he didn't really understand why I had such an ick from it. And neither did I, because I was like, I don't know. Like one, I did not like being in videos that were planned. Like I didn't want to like act on social media. I'm like very authentic. And I don't want it to be like, oh, that looked bad.

Let's redo it. I'd rather just like kind of do it. Or hey, I'm like, very authentic, and I don't want it to be like, Oh, that looked bad. Let's redo it. I'd rather just like kind of do it, or hey, I'm going to build this act surprise when you see it type thing. I just didn't want to be part of that. And that like drove a wedge in our relationship of like, hey, you make your own content, I'm going to make my own. Don't involve me in it. Well, then he looks at that as not being supportive. And it that was just like a huge thing for us was I wasn't going to be in his videos. What would his videos be

about like views, likes all this stuff. And then it wasn't until I started therapy after I announced because I had always gone to therapy, but I was like this time I need to work on me. I need to figure out why I am the way I am, why I can't be codependent and why I just feel like I need control. And it wasn't until I started therapy that I was like, okay, the ick does come from my past trauma. And I didn't want Luke to feel like, get all of his validation from all these strangers

and women on the internet and then turn into what it did in my prior relationship. Right. And secretly, I guess I was scared of that. Like, why are you seeking so much validation from all these people when I'm right here? And then it gets to where the whole thing, like what my therapist says is that

I never felt like I was enough. And so I didn't want it to turn into that. And then guys hurt so much different once they're hurt once they kind of build up a wall. So we had already announced that we were getting divorced. I was like, Hey, let's work on things. How did you guys make the decision to get to lead to divorce? Was it was that you that initiated it? Yeah, well, we had talked about it multiple times because I would bring it up.

I'm a runner. And I would if something happened to me, it's like, OK, well, I won't have my peace unless I'm alone. And that's like that. It's the frickin trauma of being independent. Like nothing bad will happen if I'm not myself. I think they give you to be able to realize this, though, the self-awareness that you have is really like awesome.

Thank you. Well, I wish I would have had a little bit sooner, but I told him, I was like, I'm glad it happened the way it did though, because I wouldn't have known that I needed to work on myself. I wouldn't have known that why I'm too independent with the family situation that happened,

but also with Morgan. And I wouldn't know like why I hated social media so much and like why, like all of this tied together. It's like you didn't think I was supportive. I could have been a better wife, but with the social media stuff, how can I like be attracted to you if I don't see you as manly type thing with like the social media? Right. And it was stuff that easily could have been worked out if we both knew where our issues stemmed from.

And I was like, I'm getting to the root of this stuff. Like, let's work it out. Like I didn't want you seeking validation and that's the only reason I thought it was icky. And I wanted to be able to be in a softer area instead of being like the head of the household. But after I announced it, he said that I disposed of him too easily, and that he had never felt

supported. So like he put up a wall. And so then it's been like me fighting for a marriage, and going through like the therapy. And he was like, Forgive me if I never think that you'll heal. Or saying that like the Lord can't work miracles and stuff. And I'm like, you can't be on social media talking about like being a Christian and like doing all this stuff for your videos and for your views if you're not living it out.

So I was like, you need to be real with this. Like we can make it work and be each other's biggest supporters and cheerleaders or it's toxic. And there's nothing in between because you can't keep me back and forth of like, hey, you see me at the gym and you like wanna hug and like be all nice and like randomly texts me about all this stuff. And then when I'm like, hey, come over or let's let's work on this. Like, let's do this. Let's do that. Nothing.

And so it's been even now very in between where it's like, hey, we either go through with a divorce or we work it out and the balls in your court I was like I was paying for an attorney anyway But I'm not paying for divorce for a marriage that I've been fighting for so if you wanted to get divorced you can take it over He posted a video and you can tell he's pretty sad and he looks really sad You know and again, I don't know the views. Okay. I was gonna say I didn't know if that was reviews or for the attention. But you know, I can see where his feelings would be hurt. Now listening to the story, I can understand how he's feeling. He's probably scared, you

know, and he, he probably doesn't want to let that wall down and come back and then it happened again, because it's gonna hurt even worse. Yeah, I don't want to let I don't want that to happen either. Yeah, it's like at this point where it's just hard because now I'm like, is he just gonna cut off and not if he comes back and then we end up working it out is there's is there gonna be a cutoff point to where he just leaves and it's fine or and I'm gonna think like, okay, well, all these times I was having panic attacks, like where were you type thing. So I'm also scared, but it's something that, I mean, we signed up for this, we made a covenant,

like it is what it is, we should be fighting for it. And I wanted him to be like, hey, we're not gonna try to make it work, we are going to make it work. And that let me down when that didn't happen, but I was like, okay, I'm not gonna let my trauma affect that, I'm still going to attempt to fight,

but if he doesn't wanna fight, then I'm gonna let it go. So I'm still very much in between with that. I'll be fine on my own. I know I will, I always have been. Yeah. But I'm also gonna fight for a marriage that I signed up for. Marriage is hard.

And I think that's what a lot of people don't realize. And the first, I don't know if you've listened to my podcast before, but I've told this story a million times, the first three years of J and I's relationship, I don't know how we made it through. Like we had so many breakups, so much fucking shit we did to each other.

Like it was just wild. I don't even know how we got, those people are not the same people that are in this marriage now. And I mean, it's almost a decade later. And you had to work for it. You have to. You have to fight for it and that's where it got with the Jay and I was finally that third year we looked at each other and we said either we're gonna make this work and we're gonna better ourselves and become better humans or we're gonna go our separate ways and that was all we both needed to start

working on ourselves and you, you're getting therapy, maybe he needs to, you guys need to do therapy together because that's what helped Jay and I too. Like I've asked, I'm trying to get him to that point of like, hey, I'm not gonna force you to go, but like just come. Because my therapist has seen the worst of me and she's seen the issues that I know I need to work on. Before, when we were going through our issues, I knew there was things I need to work on. Before, when we were going through our issues,

I knew there was things I needed to work on, but I didn't know how to work on being a more supportive wife and being more affectionate for him. But now I'm like, I want to love you, right? And I want to do this and I want to better myself. I know that I'm capable of it and I want you, I want to establish roles in our marriage so that it can work out. Like you be the man and I actually be, I want to establish roles in our marriage so that it can work out.

Like you be the man and I actually be a little bit softer. And he's scared of having to be the man. You know, so I'm only 22. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know he was only, how old are you? 30. Oh, okay. So, okay. Well, he's about to, okay.

Fair, he's going to be 23 next month. So there is a seven year age gap, but he's very mature for his age. And I mean, if I can own up to all the issues that I've had and needing to be in control and just not being supportive of him doing social media for a living, like a lot of people get through much worse.

Yeah, oh absolutely. And so it's just having to fight for it. Yeah, fighting for it takes work. Your breakup wasn't scandalous. The internet tries to make it seem like it's like this big, huge like, oh my gosh, and this wow moment. No, someone must have cheated, or she's seeing someone new.

And I'm like, I'm married. I'm not seeing someone new. Thank you. Yeah. And it's really just communication and just you needed to grow a little bit. But I also remember how I was at 22 and where I was at 22 and where I was at 30

were two different people, same with you, I'm sure. So it's like, you know, even if it doesn't work out, at least the blessing from this relationship for you was the growth and being able to start working through all the shit that has hurt you in the past. Because Katie, I'm really blown away by your story. I didn't expect to hear all the things that I heard today from you. And you have a real testimony here, you know, and I think you're finally

starting to realize that because now you're starting to love yourself and, you know, doing the therapy, doing the work and actually trying to heal is such a beautiful thing. And I feel like we were never fully healed. We're always going to be healing, but you're already on that journey. And maybe that's what Luke's purpose was in your life was to send you on that journey.

Yeah. So I would have never seen those issues within myself. I would have gone to therapy, but anytime I had gone to therapy before, it was very like situational. Like, hey, this is what's going on now. And so when I went, I was like, we're not gonna talk about like Luke right now.

We're not gonna talk about anything else. Let's get to the root of all these issues and then we can try to talk about it. Yeah, cause you're ready. There comes a time where you just get sick of yourself and you're like, I need to fix something. Some obviously something's broken. Generational curse is not gonna keep going.

We're stopping it now. Well, I'm gonna pray for you and Luke. And I really hope that you guys can figure it out. And if not, just keep on this path that you're on for sure, because you have a glow to you. And I mean, I just, I love seeing this transition in you, because I have been watching you for the past couple of years. So I really love to see this version of you.

Thank you, not my fireball. Yes, I like, I mean, I like the fireball self too. So where do you go from here? What are you interested in doing for, you know, moving as far as like moving on? I wanna buy a house. Yeah. I wanna have buy a house. Yeah. I want to have more farm animals.

Yes. What do you have right now? Tell everybody chickens and ducks chickens and ducks or chicken and Zuck mama. Yes. I love them with everything in me right before I came here. Actually. I was giving them all their mealworms and just hand feeding them and you

know, just being a mom because I dropped into go off right before that. So it's like, okay, well what else am I going to do? I have to be a mom somehow if he's not here. I get it. I don't even go off right before that. So it's like, okay, well, what else am I going to do? I have to be a mom somehow if he's not here. I get it. I don't even want to leave my animals. My entire content has turned into farming content. And it's the best. Dude, I can't wait to go home and squeeze crunch. Like, I'm just so excited to see my animals.

So I know how it is whenever you're a farm mama. They really do just bring all the joy. I mean, I don't know. I would love to have more kids. Beforehand, I was a little bit scarred by that idea just because of like what I went through with pregnancy and then like the whole co-parenting thing, but I want more kids. I've always desired more kids.

But if not, and if it's just me and Indigo and animals, that's great too. I think you'll have more babies. I hope so. Yeah, you will. Cause he's like in the phase now towards like, okay, he'd be fine if I had another baby now. How old is he now?

He's four and a half. Okay, yeah. He's gonna have his Indy 500 birthday in July. Oh, I love that. So I'm super excited about that. But other than that, you know, just still volunteering and doing social media and hope to start my own business. Let's talk about your volunteering, because I think that's so beautiful.

She was going to do the podcast a couple of days ago, and she was like, this is when I volunteer at the jail. And I was just like, oh, my God, she's so cute. Yeah. So I work for a nonprofit called Youth for Christ and I have for three years and there's different branches of it under one big umbrella and there's like one where you work with teen moms, there's just like, mostly like low income families

and then there's a juvenile justice ministry and I work in the juvenile justice ministry. So I go to, I used to go to a juvenile um like all the time and then that got taken over after I got in my rec and so once I kind of saw that how good the person that came in was at that I was like you know what like I don't need to be in that um juvenile anymore she's got that taken care of. So now I go to a prison that came in was at that. I was like, you know what? I don't need to be in that juvenile anymore. She's got that taken care of. So now I go to a prison that's in Murfreesboro. And a lot of people think that kids can't be in prison.

They think it's still a juvenile, but this one's just actual cells and strictness and stuff. But it's ages 13 to 17. But the girl I work with in there she's 13 and so I see her on Mondays and then on Wednesdays I go to an alternative learning school. And so it's just basically like a lot of people don't know what an ALC is and it's just like basically when you've either fought too much or got in trouble or there's drugs involved

you get kicked out and you have to go to a different stricter school with no freedom. Tennessee does not have like a rehabilitative like program for teenagers like any like they really don't there's nothing out here especially for like mental health or like anything. Not at all. They just don't even care. No they kids can be showing so many signs. Yeah and that's what leads to all this other stuff that's such like a controversy in the world today. It's like there's so many signs and I feel like mental health, if that was actually taken care of, all of this would be alleviated. Because like, yes, you can come from bad homes and the system can fail you.

But like, if at least the schools were more involved with mental health, then they could get through what they were going through. Absolutely. No one cares enough to even do that. That's kind of where we step in is to where it's like, hey, I'm not a therapist, but I mean, I did go to school for psychology, but like I want to be able to be there for you.

You can tell me anything. You can vent to me. I can talk to you about whatever it is and get beyond a surface level with you. Like a mentor. Yes. You can talk to me, I can talk to you about whatever it is and get beyond a surface level with you. Like a mentor. Yes, you can talk to me about anything and no one else is going to help. So at least we let them like be kids. Like we play a game with them.

Yeah. We make bracelets. We do all that stuff. I would love to come and help. Yeah. Whatever I can do. You would love it. We'll definitely talk after this, but I would love to do something like that with you and even have Bailey come and help. Yeah. Whatever I can do. You would love it. We'll definitely talk after this,

but I would love to do something like that with you and even have Bailey come with us. Because I think she would get just a kick out of it. She loves helping people like that too. She would love it too. Because I mean, the prison's so much different than the alternative learning school, which I take snacks in there and hang out with her and stuff.

It depends if people are coming in or going out. But there's one girl that's consistently in there because she got arrested for first grade murder. But at a young age, like it was a tough scenario. So we're praying for the best and all of that. But at least while we're in there, she's getting loved on and knowing that she's worth it and that her future can be so much more

than what happened when she was 10. I wanna love on these babies too. Yeah, and even at the alternative learning school, they're just, they're sassy for a reason. They all have crazy upbringings and it's like, hey, for at least this hour and a half, like be a kid, talk to me about what you want to, like tell me what you're stressed about,

let's make bracelets, let's eat snacks and just be girls A girly pop time. I love your heart. It's really cool. I love all that you pour into the world and it's all gonna come back to you I love them. Yeah, even if it's hard to Get through life the way it is like right now like it just it helps being with them Yeah, it's therapeutic for your soul too. For sure. Yeah. I'm so proud of you. And your story is really beautiful.

And I really hope that this podcast opens up a lot of people's hearts and their eyes to who you really are as a human. Thank you. You're welcome. And you can come back anytime. Of course, then maybe it won't be as cold. Yeah. Well, you know, I'll pay my, obviously I'll pay my propane bill, so.

The $21. $21, but Katie, thank you for being here. I appreciate you so much. Of course, thank you for having me. Of course, and if people wanna find you, where can they find you? Shout out your socials. At Jumbo, I'm Katie on Instagram,

and I think it's kind of the same. I don't really post on TikTok anymore, but same on Snapchat and TikTok. Come back to TikTok. Do not let these people dim your shine. Okay. They don't deserve that. That's what they want.

Like you have such a light to shine and God's working through you in so many ways. Like who cares about the 10 people who have bad things? I mean, you know, to people, who cares about all the shit bags who have anything to I mean, you know, to people who cares about all the shit bags who have anything to say when there's so many other people that just love you and embrace you. Don't let them.

There are a lot of good. Yeah. There's a lot of good. It's all good than there is bad. And it's always easy to pay attention to the bad. Trust me. I get it. But there it's just, there's so much more positivity, you know?

And I just don't think that. I'll come back. I post on there, but maybe one day soon I'll put my comments back on. Come back. I mean, you don't think that I'll come back I post on there, but maybe one day soon I'll put my comments back on come back I mean, you don't even got to put the comments back on just fucking come back and post and you know, spread your sunshine Thank you Hopefully till next time my love until next time. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde I'll see you guys next week. Bye

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