Dumb Blonde - Religious Trauma, Addiction, Betrayal — Pastor Kim Tells All

Episode Date: November 16, 2025

Bunnie Xo sits down with Pastor Kimberly Jones for a powerful conversation about faith, redemption, and breaking generational patterns. Kimberly opens up about growing up in a strict Pentecostal home, the religious trauma she carried, and the years she spent running from the church. She shares her battle with addiction, her experience navigating multiple marriages, and the rock-bottom moments that ultimately led to her transformation.Kim reflects on the unlikely journey from a party girl who rejected religion to a pastor inspired by Rod Parsley’s ministry. She talks about the criticism she’s faced from the church, the role her father played in supporting her recovery, and how her early motivational videos paved the way for her platform today. Kimberly also gets candid about marrying a man she met on Facebook who later betrayed her, and how that heartbreak fueled her growth.Throughout the episode, she highlights the themes central to her ministry—self-love, forgiveness, resilience, and authenticity—and shares how her church has evolved along with her. Kimberly also discusses the books she’s written to help others embrace transformation and healing.Pastor Kim- Website | YouTube | IGWatch Full Episodes & More:YouTubeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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The more that I have gotten to be able to just deep dive. into it, and I'm so excited that you are sitting here on my couch, Ms. Kimberly Jones, baby. I'm so honored to be here. I was just telling you a second ago that you are my first pastor. I am shook. I have had psychics on here. I have had, I'm talking like every, I have had health nuts. I have had everybody, but I have never sat down with a woman of the word. What made you want to do that? You know, so when I first started this podcast, my two, top people that I wanted on my podcast was Dolly Parton and Joyce Myers. I am a huge

Joyce Myers fanatic. Really? Crazy, right? So I grew up in a really strict Southern Pentecostal home. No. I went to Christian school. I went to Bible camps. I mean, like it's crazy with my background that I came from. But long story short, my father was a rocker, mom was a stripper. Mom left me at three months. Dad, married, married, cheated on the mom, my stepmom, and then had to like, you know, get into religion to prove that he was going to be able to make it in the marriage or whatever. And then we became like a cult. So it was crazy. So I say all that to say that when I wanted Joyce

Myers on, she is the only woman pastor that I would ever listen to because I'm always so scared of who you invite into your life. And in the past year, I started listening to you because I did see one of your reels on, I think it was either Facebook or Instagram. And I was like, who is this woman? Because she talks just like me. She's sassy and she has so much fire, which is like, I love Joyce, but she's, you know, for the older generation. She's very modest, you know? And I was like, I love this because this woman speaks my language. And then I just started diving into you. And I was like, I need this woman on the podcast. Oh my gosh, bunny. I'm so excited to have you here. That does so much to my heart. Because, you know, being.

a woman pastor, it's, I get a lot of flack from even the church world, you know, because I'm in their phase. And, you know, but I'm, I'm not judgmental. And they want me to be judgmental. Yes. They want me to send people to hell and just, and because I don't to hear that God has allowed me to be used and it is. I mean, I'm, I, this, this is the greatest honor ever for me. This is exactly what I want. I don't want to be in a church doing that stuff. I want to be right here. Yeah, no, and I love that. And I love that you are so non-judgmental because I base my entire platform on not judging anybody. Yes.

And I have been persecuted. Yes. You know, because I want to, I just want to show everybody in the world that no matter how terrible of a human you might be to the world, you're still, you still deserve love. And that's what you preach to. Well, and Bunny, you look at God. I mean, you know, I guess because I was raised just like you. And that's so funny. Oh, we're going to talk about it.

We're going to talk about it. about it, yeah. We have a lot of similarities, even down to the three marriages, girl. I didn't even bat an eyelash when I heard that about you. I was like, oh, this is my girl. And the church world asked me, they were like, why do you talk about that? Why do you tell that? I'm like, why wouldn't I? Yeah, it's part of your story. Why waste my hell? What's tea for them is testimony for you? Yes. Always. Well, I was, I was, what was I telling you? You, uh, we were talking, I don't even know. I'm just so excited to have you here. We have started this off great. I love this so much. So, okay, the one thing that everybody zeroes in on you is your marriages. And I don't

want to do that with you. Because, and of course, we are going to talk about them because it is part of your life. But I truly believe that people are influenced as children to make the decisions that they make as an adult. And anytime I hear an interview with you or I hear you talk about your childhood, you kind of gloss over it and don't really talk in depth about it. I might have missed it somewhere. But I don't really get to hear the, like, the meat and potatoes of what made you the woman you are that did make these mistakes and that, you know, that you've now learned from. Yeah. So you talked about your mom and your dad being super religious. Can we start there? Oh, yes. Take me on that journey. So I remember when I was, I mean, right when I had, right when my mom

had me, we were in Jacksonville, North Carolina, we were preaching a revival. My dad was like this fire preacher. He would like jump out of balconies and roll and walk on seats and pews. But he was so, so, so strict. And I just remember, even as a little girl, I know that God knew that at about 43, I was going to hit rock bottom and find out who the rock is at the bottom. Now, I hit rock bottom a whole bunch. Yeah, yeah. But he knew that I'm going to let her go through all of these things because when she does, she's going to be a fireball. And we just always, I always felt like women were, like my mom was a wallflower. You know, like she looked like she was 90 years old.

She, me and my brother would try to get her to drop us off three miles down the road from our school because she'd have an oatmeal box with her hair on top of her head because her hair was down to the floor. Yeah. And my dad looks like he stepped out of GQ. Yeah. I've heard you say that. And I've also heard you say that your mom was so subservient that it used to make you angry.

Oh, gosh. Why do you think it was that it made you angry that she was so subservient? Because you do have some of those qualities. Like, I see how you wait on Angelo. Oh, honey. I never knew I could do this. Oh, and we're going to get there. I mean, he's a handsome guy.

That's my baby right there. He's got swag. You guys are a good looking couple. We're going to bring Angelo in later. But I see with Angelo that you have no problem being subservient to him. So do you think that your mom felt that way about your dad? And can you understand it more now? Absolutely.

I think I was mad. You know, I think I was because all the way back into, I mean, I was United Pentecostal. And the reason I kind of gloss over it a lot is because all my family's still in it. Right. So. But I think it's very good to talk about it because I grew up Southern Pentecostal and it was pretty much. Yeah. And this is not me in any way putting anybody down.

who was in the religion currently. But what I experienced from that religion was a, I left it with so much religious trauma. And I'm talking like I had panic attacks. Oh yes. My entire life and anxiety disorder because I was worried if I did the wrong thing that I was going to go to hell. He was a mean God, wasn't he?

It's terrible. Scared me to death. Yeah. And I just don't think that that's right, that they do that. So I think if you did speak on it, I think that that's okay because, look at where you are now. Now, I do speak on it, but, and when I do, I get dragged.

The church world comes after me. They're so mean. We actually have gone through it with the church people. I have to pray over myself often because I pastor a phenomenal church in Atlanta. Limitless church is an incredible church, and I love God with all my heart. But I don't like his people a lot of times. And so I just have to pray. I'll call my mom and say, mom, you got to pray for me because I want to, ugh.

I want to, I want to, I want to, the hood part of me wants to come out. Yeah. You know, I'm holy, but I'm hood too. Right. Right. Right. I got. Right. Holy enough to pray for you. Yes. And so I think what it is is I think that me being raised, I remember going to church. I remember how religious those people were. I remember how less than women were. I remember watching my mother literally everything that ever, she ever did was for me and my brother and my dad. It was like us four and no more. and I got angry because I saw my mom literally my dad would be sitting right here and my dad would just put his glass down on the table and she'd get up and go ready get his water and I'd be like

dude get you got two hands and two feet he would never do that yeah okay I think that's the difference yeah he he doesn't expect it and that's why you love to do it because it's not an expectation yeah no I respect that because I'm the same way with my husband and I get dragged all the time because you actually said something one time you said an alpha woman loves to be submissive for her her husband and I said the same thing do you guys remember that and I got dragged and I stood 10 toes down baby I was like I was like I don't care if you're wrong I'm still going to stand 10 toes down same that I was not I was going to stand 10 toes down on it because when a man makes you feel safe man you want to love them and you're just so thankful so thankful

and you're just like thank you Jesus we're did you come from, you know? And you know what? They love you so well. Yeah. And I didn't really see that. I'm not knocking my daddy at all. Like my daddy, I was his girl. Yeah. But about 25 years into their marriage, he had an affair. And I remember it just broke my heart. But let me go back to seven. Seven years old, I remember sitting, we had church every night for starters. And all the ushers would just spank me because I was always bad. Like if you're, if you're, if Not the usher spanking you, Kim. And I was mad about that.

Why are you going to let... I probably shouldn't say his name. Oh, why you go? Believe that, Jason. Why are you going to let him take me out and spake me? But I was just a mad child. It was a different time in life, too. Yes, it was just that religion.

But I remember seven years old, we were in church. And I had a lot of trauma. I was already a lot of trauma because I remember coming around the corner in our house. And we couldn't wear pants. We couldn't wear makeup. We couldn't go to the racquetball club. We couldn't go to anywhere. It was literally like walking through Sears.

My mom would put her hand up like this over my eyes when we walked through the TV section because that one-eyed demon is going to get you. And I remember I would always test that. Like I'd say, I'm going to the bathroom. I'd go sit in front of the TV to see if the demon was going to come out. So I was always testing those waters, you know?

And I remember at seven years old, I was laying down under one of the seats like this at our church and I was looking up at my dad and I was watching the choir and my mom was up there just leading the worship choir and all these people were just standing there like this and I remember thinking, oh my gosh, they're miserable. They look like they're about to cut their wrist.

We're singing about Jesus. This whole church is miserable looking and if this is what heaven looks like and God's so mean, Like every time we walk in the prayer room My mother immediately starts rocking back and forth And within two seconds she's bawling Just nose, it's not

And I remember thinking, God, you are so mean That my mom even has to cry to get your attention Oh my gosh At seven years old, something shifted in me And it was like I just became angry I don't care if I go to hell I don't care if church people don't like me you can't do that Kim

and I'm gonna go do exactly what you told me I couldn't do and so it was almost like the enemy had an assignment you know what she does a lot of times and he'll use people and I just think I had wounds I had a lot of wounds

I remember coming home one day and my mother sitting in the kitchen and my dad was trying to calm her down and she was just screaming and me and my brother are sitting on the stairs

and she's screaming I can't do this anymore and the church Deacons had come over and let them have it because we went to the South Lake Racquetball Club. Because you what? Because we went to the racquetball club. Oh my gosh.

And so it was just anger. My mom was having a nervous breakdown over these church people. And so I think it was just layer after layer after layer after layer. And then it was just a place of whatever I want to do, I'm going to do it. Because I don't want to look like that. And if going to heaven means I got to go with them, the most judgmental, angry, hateful, hypocritical people, then I don't want to, I don't even care if I don't go. Take me to hell.

I couldn't. I relate to everything you're saying so much because I completely went through the same thing, too. I had to wear, I wasn't allowed to wear makeup, hair spray. I couldn't curl my hair. I had to wear dresses down to my ankles. This is crazy. My mom used to sew my damn clothes and I was in high school.

It's all in my book when it comes out. It's crazy. And, but my dad would be hitting women up online to have threesome. I would catch my dad watching porn, you know, like, and I would just be like, this is so, this is such a mind fuck as a child to, you know, have to sit there and cross your, you know, cross your teas and dot your eyes and be holier than now, but then when you go home, everybody's masks fall off. Yeah.

And I would see the same thing going on with everybody in the church. It used to make me so mad that I got to the same point as you. And I was just like, you know what, God, I don't want to go to heaven. It's too hard. It's not attainable. There's no way that you can get there. And it seems, seems boring. It seems, you know, why would I want to go sit with a whole bunch of, I don't do that in my own life.

Like, why would I want to go, I totally get you? As a teenager, how did all this religious trauma affect you? Did it ever steer you into drugs and alcohol or did you start experimenting? with things like that as you start getting older? Okay, so my 18th birthday, I was dating a boy that, so back in those days, the church had missionaries. And so the missionaries we sponsored, my daddy's church sponsored, they had a son. And they lived in Topique, Mexico.

And all I could think about was, oh, my gosh, I'm going to get away from my parents. Yeah. And I'm going to become a missionary into Peak, Notary, Mexico. and I'm going to, because women, that's what we did. We didn't go to college. You know, you had babies, you got married. I mean, it's just a way we were raised. It's also that generation, too.

The women just never had any aspirations to do anything else but be moms, which there's nothing wrong with that. It's just not what we needed for our. We love you. Shout out to all the moms. But it just wasn't in what we wanted. Yeah. And so at 18 years old, I remember I graduated.

And then I dated this boy for three years. And we were just church kids. And then all of a sudden, I marry him. We have this big old wedding. And my mom says, your wedding lasted longer than your marriage. Because when I got married, I wasn't thinking, I wasn't thinking, oh my gosh, like, I'm going to go to Tepit, Mexico. That's 18 hours after the border. I am the girl at 16 years old.

My dad and mom gave me my brother's little hoopty and said, here, baby girl, this is your car. I was like, I ain't driving that. And I went to riches and worked for S.A. Lauder and bought me a BMW. Like, I, I was high maintenance, but I could handle my high maintenance even in 16. You did the maintaining. Yes, I was always, like, selling suckers or something. I was an entrepreneur. I was telling everybody, I could sell, I could sell freaking ice to an Eskimo. Like, literally, that's exactly how I was selling suckers from Shoney's at seven years old. We'd go eat after Churchill's Sundays, and I'd fill my little sat bag, and go to school and sell them and make bank.

Oh, I love that. I just stole from the offering plate. Come on. I talked about it on one of the shows one time. Remember I talked about it. I took you guys by the church that I stole from. You did, yeah. And I apologize to Jesus and I apologize to the church publicly for doing it.

Okay. I love that. No, but it just, I feel like when you are so religiously oppressed, especially as a child, it creates so much religious trauma and rebellion. Yeah. You know? Before you got married, though, like take me through your teenage years. Okay.

You always gloss over that. Because I wasn't really bad. It's okay. Like I was, listen to me, I was bad in, I didn't trust nobody. I didn't let anybody get close to me. It was, I didn't have friends. Like, it was like, I really did have friends. I had a lot of friends.

But I was scared. I was always the DDA, the designated driver. And I remember at 14 years old, we were, I was the DDA for all the, I was on the flag court. and all the flag girl girls and us went out, we'd go out to Subway, it was a Southway, it was a place we'd all hang out. And so they would always let me drive their cars because their cars were hoopties.

And I had no shame. And so at 14 years old, I need to tell more of these stories because these are funny. At 14 years old, we were backing up, and I was, I had no business driving. Like, why you let me drive your car? Yeah. And I'm backing up, and it was, we like the cars.

The cars that go boom, we're teagra and funny. And I just hit that gas. And I thought it was in drive, but it was in reverse. And I just nailed a, like, a post box. Oh, no. And it was like $3,000 worth of damage. Oh, no. And so I don't talk about that a lot because I remember, like, ruined all my friendship that year.

Oh, no. And I really didn't do anything bad. I was too busy getting married and, you know, going to. Bible school. Getting married at 18 is young, too. Like, you're still a baby. But you got to remember, we didn't come out of United Pentecost until I was like 16. Right, right, right. So I was sheltered. Right. So I was scared to death to drink. Even Seagram's, my brother now. I was the complete opposite. I was like, oh, I was old E was my first, I got drunk off an old E and a drained out pool. Okay. I was, listen, let me tell you, wait until this book comes out.

I love it. The first time I ever got drunk, old E, Boone's Farm, ditching. Like, Utah, Mad Dog 2020, you name it. My brother did everything. Oh, so, because your brother went the way that I went. Oh, honey. Everybody, he did everybody in the church, all the youth. I mean, and all our youth were bad, too.

Yeah. Like, I was scared to death of God. Yeah. I was bad, but I was scared to death of God as far as, like, sin. Right. And I remember our youth would go get drunk and all, The whole youth group would be strung out drunk at a house. And I would be making sure everybody was okay.

Yeah. My brother. I love that about you, though. That shows that you have such a nurturing spirit. For everybody to say, I don't. Really? Do they say that? Well, I mean, they think I'm rough.

I don't gather that from you at all. I see that. You don't. No. No, not at all. I think I'm gentle and kind and loving. I think that you, well, you're about it when you need to be, but I also think that you know when it's time to be soft.

Like, we can, when you're like, when you're like, that when a woman has those two qualities you know when to turn it on and turn it on and i don't see you being i just fight hard for people i think you fight you're a lover so you yeah that's how i am with my whole crew like you have to you're the protector you protect everybody well that's what i did i'd protect all of them and uh i don't none of them go to church anymore oh like literally do you have you keep in contact with anyone so i do like i'm like we had a tight tight tight you youth group. And there's maybe one out of 65 kids. Because my dad was so hard. Just that goes into religious trauma. And like we're not here to bash people that are, you know, practicing and are

religious. But I always say that I'm not religious. I'm spiritual. Yeah. I think there's a huge difference. And I think there's like a very great divide of when you're being religious, you're literally just cramming stuff down people's throats and it's this way or no way and you know you're going to go to hell and there's you know no other option but when you're spiritual you love people and you try to show them like jesus yes exactly i mean jesus leaves all these amazing people and goes to that well where that lady is sitting there at the hottest part of the day and it's burning up hot and she's there when nobody else is there because all the pharisees and christians are judging her because she's been married five times and living with a man that wasn't her husband.

And that's how I look at my life and people. I'm like, man, if God can do that, then why am I going to sit and be hateful to people and write people off because of their sins? Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Fall always feels like a reset for me. Everything gets busier, schedules fill up, and the days just fly by. Between work, travel, and trying to keep life somewhat organized, finding time.

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for a little bit of time. A year. For a year. And then you guys get a divorce. Because I was in Topique. and I had to get my parents there to get me so I could get home. Don't you hate that when you have to call the parents and you're like, okay, here we go. My dad, and I promise you, I'd never drank. I never... I really love that about you.

Like, I was scared to death to do those things, but I was not scared to get married. I was always scared to do the things that in secret, you know, like people see your deeds, but God sees your heart. Yeah. But when it came to, like, big things, like marriage.

Yeah. Let's go. Because you're a lover. That's why. I would just jump. I wouldn't even think. Yeah, you're a lover. Who cares how many times you've been married?

Like, I mean, I would just, my mom would go, Kimberly, what if, what if this isn't the right thing? Well, we'll just figure that. We'll just figure it. That's how I always looked at it. I've been married three times. My husband is my third husband. And I always say three times of charms, but you know what?

I used to joke around and be like, I'm going to be like Elizabeth Taylor. My dad was married seven times. So I didn't have a very good example of, you know, what marriage is. but getting out of that. So that was like a generational curse. Probably. And I'm hoping that I have broke it on the third marriage. Now, see, my father's dad was like that.

Was he? Yes. That's how my husband's dad was the same way. He'd been married multiple times. So I think it was just maybe just a generational thing. Buddy, you know how many people in this world been married three and four times but won't talk about it? Oh, for sure.

But why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? It's part of your story. So it's like, girl, there are. Like even when I put those clips up of me, being honest, the people that reach out to me and say, man, you've given me hope. And they'll just start going underneath 10 times, eight times, seven times. I'm like, whoa.

There's always haters. I mean, I posted my mugshots the other day and there's people like, God, your whole entire face has changed. And I'm like, thank God. I love that. Thank God. Thank you so much. So getting divorced at 18, how did you feel?

Were you sad about it or were you just like, on to the next? or did it not register because you are so young? I was sad, you know, because I was sad because I remember my parents came and got me at a Topique. Basically, they brought our youth group. We built a church while they were there and then I slipped in that van and left with them. And my husband moved back with us

and he stayed in the States with me for about a year and there's no way we could survive. Right. You know, he was a baby, I was a baby. I didn't know how to cook. I was a diva. he was a diva. No.

And it was... Can't have two divas in a relationship that never works. And he was a mama's boy. Oh. Which is we love mama's boys. Do we? I mean, I don't... Don't come for us.

No, I'm just kidding. Don't come for us. Mama's boys. Now, cut the umbellic accord, though. Yeah. Especially if you're in a marriage. You can not be a mama's boy in a marriage. No.

But it is important. They love their mama. Of course. And respect. And respect their mom for sure. So I got back to the States. And right when I got back to the States, my mom and dad sent me to Bible school.

They were like, girl, we've got a pastor that's going to scare the hell out of you. And I'm like, what? This pastor's going to really get you. He's going to bring you to the feet of Jesus. You have walked through divorce. You need healing. Yeah, I did. I needed healing.

But they found Pastor Rod Parsley. I've never heard of him until I started looking last night. Please, for those who don't know who he is at home, can you give us a little... So, but I love Pastor Rob, personally, because, man, I've known him my whole life. He is one of the truest men, loved his wife, loved his children, what you saw is what you got. Now, he can be a little hard, you know, him and his mama both. That's why my mama sent me there, my mom and daddy sent me there, was because they were scary. Right.

I knew walking down the hall and I'd be hide, you know, because I knew that they, you know, it was, you're going to, you're going to live right. You're going to, there's an anointing on your life. And as soon as I got there, I, they grabbed me up. I, for some reason, auditioned for the choir. And because that's one thing about United Pentecost people, we can sing. Yeah. You know, we can't go to the movies.

So we just sit around and sing, that's what we do. And so I tried out for the choir. and so from there I started traveling with Pastor Rod and so it made him get to really know me. Before that, did you want to be a pastor? No, women can't pastor.

So this was like your parents just kind of forcing you into this. They were forcing me to Bible school because if I go to Bible school I can be a worship leader. Oh, gotcha. I can be a children's worker. Okay. I can be on the prayer team. Gotcha. But women can't pastor. I was raised women cannot be pastors. Right. And so

I go and I start singing with him on the road and he was just always like Kim there's an anointing on your life anybody I would try to date he'd be like oh no no no you can't date can't date I was there for a year maybe two years and I saw the piano boy and I was like oh I'm gonna marry me a preacher he's a piano floor boy he is anointed I'm a marry me a and I remember being in Israel singing on the sea of Galilee, taping the Easter special for Pastor Rod. Pastor Rod has World Harvest Church in Ohio. He gets a lot of slack, too, because he's in your face.

But we were headed back from Israel. I mean, that's kind of romantic, singing, you know, in Israel, the ambiance. It's kind of like set the mood for you to get married, you know. I remember I was singing, And I know the peace speaker, I know him by name, I know the, and it was talking about when he says peace be still all earth. And I'm up there just to sing and worshiping.

And I remember I was like living like the devil going to my school. And I remember feeling so convicted out there on the sea of Galilee. Like you out here singing about the peace speaker and you don't even know the peace speaker. No. Like you're out here singing on that where Jesus was and you're over here. So God's always been dealing with me like that money. Like I had to finally give in. Right.

Because he was always after me. So what I did was all the way home from Israel, Pastor Rod said, I see you looking at that piano boy. And when we get home, you're going to move in with Mama Parsley. That was his mama. And she was so scary. Oh, shit. Not Mama Parsley.

I was like, I'm not moving in with this woman. All I could think about was he's making me move in with Mama Parsley because he said, girl, you make horrible decisions. Do you feel like he was very protective over you? Very protective of me. And I'm just so thankful. You know, he saw an an anointing on my life, which I'm like this with so many people now.

Because I know that if I would have just listened. So I get home at 3 o'clock in the morning. I packed my little Ugo and I moved to Atlanta because I knew this man was going to make me move in with his mother on Monday. And I left, and that little piano boy followed me. So you didn't say bye or anything, you just up and left. The next morning, all the Bible kids students are sending texts with the script up on the screen.

Kim Jones to the executive wing. That was the pastor's week. Kim Jones to the executive winning. I was like, I ain't there. I never spoke to him again for 25 years. Oh, was his heartbroken that you left? I bet he was just shaking his head, like, she's just going to ruin her life. When you finally did get to speak to him again, how did that go?

Girl, it was, it was 42, because I didn't preach my first sermon until I was 42. Okay. Because I was married to piano boy for 18 years. Yeah, we're going to get into that marriage too. So I met him, so listen, I got that and I really fell in love with Jesus at 42 and found God for me. I was at the darkest. We'll hear about that. And about three years in, Pastor Rod's ministry reached out to me.

Now, when I was at Bible school, the greatest week was Dominion Camp Me because we would sing and the curtains, the velvet curtains would go up and it was just like 10,000 people and ta-da, you know, it was like ministry. Yeah. And all of a sudden, he says, we would like to invite real tall kids. him back to preach at Dominion, can't me? How'd that make you feel? Oh, I thought Ashton Coucher was going to be there.

Oh, look at all this plane, and Ashton Coutcher's going to be there. Punking me. I was blown away, but God told me, when I turned 42, God told me whenever I was really getting myself together, man, I was finding God, and I was on that hunt, and I was just, it was like a rapid. Bunny, it was like a rapid I had lost all my friends in that season

and I remember I was driving this knockoff Bentley is what I call it and it was a 300 Chrysler and I was back at my mom's house and smoke would come out of my car every day coming back from Bloomingdale's where I worked and I did a video that day talking to myself

and I was like if you are in a place right now and you feel like giving up don't you dare because you're this close. I was talking to myself because I'm sitting on the side of the road with overheating and I'm looking for God and I feel God but I don't feel like I deserve any help whatsoever.

That's why my car's on the side of the road. And so at that moment, I just was on there talking to myself and I uploaded a video and that thing went viral. It's always the ones that you never plan to go viral that go viral. And every single day after that, I did a video.

But because of that, that's how come I'm so true to myself still to this day. Right. Because it wasn't the horrible Christians that were, you know, because there's horrible everything. Right. And every place. You know, in every space.

But it wasn't those people that were talking behind my back or it was the pastor Rod Parsley. that had all the reason in the world to never have me back because I rebelled this was my third marriage by now everything he said was going to happen happened and he said

I want you to come preach well that's crazy because I've only been preaching for three years and I don't even know that I had preached at my dad's church yet because he was still trying to get used to the women pastoring. I'd preached in Paula White's I had preached in T.D. Jakes'es at the Young Adults Conference.

I had preached at Creflow Dollars for Taffy Dollar. So all of these big mega ministries were having me, but my dad was still having a hard time. Because my dad remembers I was nay, nay and not pray, pray, you know? And I'd already made such a mockery of the family for so long. I'm sure he was taking his time. No, my dad, listen, my dad loved me, but he knew the ratchet side of me still.

Right. You know, I could still get up and preach and bleed in those other places because I was just going in and going out. And when I walked in that place, I remember getting off that plane bunny and they picked me up at the airport. And as I was driving to World Harvest Church to preach, it was like right before that exit, I look up, and there was a billboard. And it was all these legend preachers. And then there was me right in the middle with a Mohawk. And a peak thing coming out is when I was preaching in tutus. Yeah.

I always was doing the craziest, like a fairy godmother. Yeah. And I look up and I just started bawling. And I heard the Lord say, because of your obedience, because you put in that work, because you stopped allowing yourself to be identified by people. And you just looked up and stayed faithful and stayed focused and stayed consistent. I'm giving you a full circle moment. And I'll never forget walking in

and him walking in that green room and wrapping his arms around me. I got chills. Girl. I just, it was like God. That was probably healing for me because I think all of us have baggage from that. Yeah.

Like we go to a therapist forever, but what's she going to know? She wasn't in that growing up like you and I. she wasn't where the one true and living God that man would leave and go to that woman at the well she never encountered that like what we did and so I think when you see the hand of God that can take people with the worst past and create the best futures but also to have such a man who is so scary to everybody else just embrace you after that long after you leaving without even saying goodbye and him just holding you like I would have just like I would have just like

lost it. And there's people, I will fight for him. I'm like, I am that friend. You listen to me. I'm that friend for even you bunny. When I call you my friend or I love you, I will, you killed who? Okay. We'll help you. I'm going to take you to the cross. We're going to go. We're going to hide the body and then we're going to go pray. Yes. But that's how I feel about him because he's hard. You know, he's a hard, you know, like he'll yell it. He's been in the news for, yelling at staff and all this kind of stuff. But I know him. And I know how he put his armed around me and how he fought for me because my exes all came out, you know, whenever I started really blowing up. Oh, they always do. They all came out with 1933 pictures, you know.

They always do. And they would call him and he'd be like, don't ever, you lose my number. and he just always had my back. But I remember, girl, listen, he looked in my eyeballs and he said, I'm so proud of you, real tall, Kim. Oh. And he said, you're going to preach your butt off today. He just always believed in you. Yes.

He gave you. But he came back. He gave you what your dad didn't give you. And that was really cool of him to have done that for you. And I think that's really special that everybody gets to hear that story. That is rich what you just said. And I think you're right. That's exactly why that's.

still moves me to this day is because he didn't have to do that. He didn't. And I remember even walking into the church and everybody was up there. And, you know, they always had their, their me-mees, you know, their people take their computers up there and put it up there before they get there and preach. I will never do that. Because I never want, why can't I carry my computer up there and put it on the front? Right.

on the, you know, the podium. And so I'm walking up and I don't have this huge entourage like everybody else because I just was like honored. Like it ain't about me and all these people walking in so I can show you all I made it. It was man. I was bawling. Yeah. I was just like, God, you've got to help me get this together before I get up there and preach.

I was scared to death. There was 10,000 preachers that had been preaching for 40 years, 30 years. And here's this little girl that did everything they said. she did. The woman caught in the act of adultery, taken before the Lord, and said, stone her. And yet he got down in that dirt. That was past the ride. He got down in that dirt and started writing. If you got some sin, if you don't have any sin in your life, then you cast that first storm. And what he, stone, what he did for me that day was he put me up there and just said, what are y'all going to say? Preachers. He led with love. He did. He practiced what he preached.

He did. Yeah. And really after that, I was on preachers of Atlanta. showed out for Jesus. So let's circle back, though, because we left off at you getting divorced at 18 and then getting married again at 19, which resulted in you having your babies, becoming a mama. 18, Morgan and Lincoln. I mean, what was that like for somebody who came from such a crazy childhood, being able to raise your own babies? Oh, my gosh.

Has it been healing for you? Or has it been triggering? I think it was triggering, you know, because I kept, I remember. I, we backslid. Yeah. Like me and their father were worship pastors. Right. We both came from World Harvest Church.

And we totally backslid. We got church hurt and we're working for a minute, we're mega ministry and we saw stuff. And it was like triggering all the way back. Like, no way, man. We're not gonna, we're not raising our kids under this. Right. And so we just quit going to church. And.

I feel like everybody goes through that though. Like anybody that has super religious. trauma, like how we do, it's like you go through a season of your life where you're like, you know what, I don't want to do this anymore. You leave the church. And I didn't want to fake it. You know, a lot of people will still get back in church and sing on platforms and hide their skeletons and live their whole life miserable. I just didn't want to do that. Like, God, I would rather, you know, disappoint you than being church faking it and still disappointing you. So if I've got to do choose, then at least I'm just disappointing you, but I don't want to do the dog and pony show.

Yeah, I get it. And so we quit going to church, but I'd convince myself, and I went and started an interior design company. I love that. And I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to become an interior designer. I was like, I don't need anything. I'm going to go, and boy did I, that is when I started partying. Oh.

So how did you just become an interior designer? Because I actually went to school to start getting my bachelor's degree in interior design when I was younger. And it was fucking hard. Excuse my language. Girl, I don't have degrees for nothing. Yeah. And you just got into it. I just tell people I can do it and they believe me. I love that. I love that. Did you just, did you start your own company? Yes. That is hilarious. I mean, Kim, I love you.

Because I had to, Bunny. I was a girl and girls were, you know, we were supposed to be at home with our kids. I'm not going to do that. I love it. I'm a boss. I'm proving something to the world. I love that you figured it out though. But my, what happened? was my husband, my son's father, when we got hurt with that church, he went to bed. And he literally went into depression. Oh. And we're in this house. He's the only one that's ever worked since we got married. We'd been married for, God, at this time, 13 years. We had two kids. Yeah. And he's in bed. So it was like sink or swim. And that hustler in you was like, okay, I've got to get up and make money. I mean, it was literally like he lost his mind. Oh.

It knocked him. Was he using at the time? No. Okay. And we weren't even partying at that time. Okay, gotcha. And so this church, you know, found out this, I guess a neighbor told this pastor in Orman Beach, I got a girl that is phenomenal. She does great with color.

And she just loved me. And so I was a makeup artist, not a designer. But she said, I was great with color. and you got to let her come look at your church because he was in need paint colors. And I went in and I don't know how, but I sold myself, can you do drapes?

Yes. Can you pick paint? Yes. Can you pick carpet? Yes, I can. And I went home and taught myself every bit of and got that whole church that is now in Armin Beach

and decorated that whole church and it was in this rich community. And so I went and started the interior design company, my mother became my workroom. Because remember she made my church clothes. Yeah, yeah. I love that you unlocked a new era though. Like it put a drive in you and you were like, you know what? I did great at this. I'm about to just drive it home. I love that. No, interior designers make money. And you know what I did is I went and hired a whole bunch of really good designers that were better than me. And I sit on the beach and just answer the phone.

You're smart. You're a boss. That's just, yeah. But I was really good. good too. I was good at design. So I did do it for a little while, but then I got so big that I just had teams. But I went back and preached at that church too. Look how God was working in your life even when you didn't realize it. Like he's still provided and was like, you know what, even though she's not going to church right now, she's at least pouring her energy into something. That's how God is. I know. God is like that. God is never ever changing. He is just because we do bad things or not even bad things, we do the best we can. Like I wasn't just, out in these streets wanting to go to hell for real, for real.

I had two kids. I just had some stuff. And I just stayed away from the people that caused a harm. I don't believe you can heal where you got killed, you know, or left for dead. And so I started decorating that church and then I started interior designing and my husband who came to stay at home with the kids. And I did that for eight years. Wow.

You made a whole career out of it. And we got in with all these rich people that would taught us about ecstasy and Yep. The designer drugs. Man, they were swapping. I ain't never heard of that stuff. I was like, y'all are, what? Swingers.

Oh, yeah. In Florida, too, don't go to the pineapple upside downhouses. Honey, I made it. We made it to the villages or whatever they're gone. I remember, I'll lay up my bed at night. I'd be like, God, are you still there? I just thought he didn't turn me all over to all this. And she's like, God, are you still there?

He didn't turn me. over to the bonnapples. Oh my God. Because I was sheltered. I was sheltered. So, okay, so let's deep dive here a little bit. Okay, you know I have to peel back the layers. So you and

your husband started partying really hard. You guys started using drugs and you guys also started swinging. Never swang. Okay, never swang. Swapped. We never did none of that now. Okay. She's like, yes, no, maybe so. No, we didn't do any of that, but we had friends.

Like, we were all around. found it. We would leave. There wasn't no way. If that man would have ever said, because I'm this kind of woman. Yeah. You, you, you're going to let me, you're going to let, who? What? That means you don't love me. Because I'm not sharing this man. I will, I will cut you. You know, my exes maybe. Yes. If I love you. And remember, I'd encounter that with my father. So I just didn't have a good trust in men anyway. Gotcha. But I love that you didn't judge people who were in that lifestyle. Oh, no, honey. I was best friends. what so. Yeah. And I remember as soon as they all started getting real, you know, caught up with,

we'd dip. She's like, all. This is my exit. I'm on ecstasy, jaw grinding. We're going home, honey. I look back, girl, you ever just look back and think about stuff you did? Honey. And think I would have went to jail for a really, really long time. Yes. Yes. All those mug shots, there's more. But I should have had some. I'm sorry? I should have had some. Yeah. Because I think of like stuff that we did back in that era. Oh, era. Yeah.

When my little boys were just, man. It was a different life back then, though. Like I don't think of, not that I'm excusing our behavior, but I'm sorry. If I could go back to the 90s and 2000s, I would do it all over again. I know it. I love that era of life. Even in the early 2000s, too. I don't know what's going on in the world today, but it's not the world that I grew up in.

And it's just a completely. different you know time yeah um so you guys are partying yeah when does the party stop so when do you realize you need the party to stop it was it was 17 years and 11 months we were married and it was so bad i remember my 30th birthday it was that night was when all hell broke loose like we'd been partying our house was the party house my little boys were just i remember my mom coming to my door step one night right around my 30th birthday and just crying and she was like baby girl I'm praying for you like this is just not you and I'd be like girl I ain't never coming back to Jesus with a cigarette hanging out on my mouth and I just remember the tears and so I just go drink some more so I didn't

have to remember the pain that I caused my mom because I didn't want I didn't want to be this way but it was way better than those people that I'd encountered in the church. So it was either this or that. You felt a sense of freedom of being able to choose who you were in that moment. If you wanted to drink, you could. If you wanted to smoke, you could.

If you wanted to drop ecstasy, you could. Nobody's going to tell you what to do because those formative years, you were told what to do. And I wasn't even thinking about God, really. Yeah. You know, because you wasn't thinking about me, I didn't think.

I just wasn't even thinking. about dying. Like when you're caught up in sin, sin will take you further than you want to go. Yes, ma'am. Cost you more than you want to pay and keep you longer and you want to stay when you do what I was doing. Where it's just taking control of your life. And I remember one night, 30th birthday, and it was like the first time that I felt abuse. I was like, man, we are in trouble. Wow. And I remember that night my mom calls me. And she said, this baby girl, God wants me to ask you a question. She said, do you want this in 20 years?

And I was like, man, we were so far gone. Yeah. Like numb, gone. Because you can't be raised in church and know God. Right. And not feel in your deepest, darkest, hungover. Yeah, have some conviction. You can't, not.

Yeah, there's always a fear there for sure. Because you did feel God, even in those seasons that those people let you down. You did. You couldn't neglect that. And so I just listened to her. And at that night, I didn't know where he was. You know, I didn't know where he was. I didn't know what was going on.

And I was in a very dark place. When you say you felt abuse, was it physical? You know, we were both physical. You know, just because it's my son's father, I'm so careful. Because I've changed so much. Trust me, I get it. When you have that so much going on and I'm- Girl, it was just my mouth.

Yeah, well, yes, I get it. I get it. I could slice you up and leave you for dead. I was so detached. Like I was so wounded that people that had been in my life for 13, 14 years would leave and I would act like they had never even been there. Like I just had no attachment ability at all. I call it being a verbal sniper because I was the same way.

Yeah. I would cut people off and just leave them like just so heartless. Like not even care. Like I even think back to this day, did you care? Like did you? No. Like it was like I just expected everyone to leave. You know?

So it was like, I was like, peace out. Right. And then I'd walk in a room with them and never even look at them. Like they had never been there. I would always hurt people before they could hurt me. Oh, yes, me too. And self-sabotage, that's finest, yeah. And so that's when it really started.

I still stayed another four years after that, trying to save him. I really honestly thought he's going to come to his grips. He's going to get it together. Was it just depression or was he an addiction at that time? Oh, gosh, at this point, it was addiction. It was just full-blown. My parents came and tried to go through, what's it called,

sobering him up. up. He went away. It was, it was just had a hold on him. Yeah. And, I mean, I could party and then get up and go to work. You know, it was a, I was a party animal. I was a functioning addict myself. I was totally. And so my kids were lost. And I remember what finally was hit the camel's back was one night, I remember it was this song that just started coming on because I was all by myself. My kids were at my mom's house in Atlanta, and I was living in Orlando, Florida. And at this point, so much had taken place in this marriage. I mean, police, just holes and walls, just rage. And this night, it was like, I'm dying tonight. Like, I knew this night I was going to die.

like it was so it was at the top of rage it was like the everything came to a head and that night all I could think about was I got to get out of this house and then I got to go where I got to go and because I'd protected him I didn't there was nobody around I mean we had I literally started this man a church trying to get him sober like if I at least I mean I wouldn't found a movie theater bought all the music equipment he came church drunk You know, I mean, and people were trying to sober him up So he'd get up and do the sermon I'm just trying to help him get his, you know, get his life back

And that night I thought if I can get up and get out Then I'll call my mom and dad tonight And I remember I sat in a bush Because the neighbors went to our church And I couldn't go over there Because I didn't want them to hate Jesus Because of our horrific leadership ability right you know

because you've gone through that yes and I didn't want to stand before God one day and he was like girl like all these people turned away from me because of your mouth because you you were double-minded and so I just sat in that bush I remember about 5 o'clock he left and I go

and I call my mom and dad and they came to Orlando picked up my home it was a beautiful home that I had bought and my mother came in we patched holes where, I mean, when the fights would start,

they would just, if he would throw just whatever, and I'd just put pictures over the walls. And she sat that day for 24, 48 hours and just started fixing the walls. And I remember my dad walking around telling people don't talk to him. Like, if you talk to her, she's going to have a nervous breakdown, just talk. I was out of it.

It was like, and I'm a strong woman. And I was out of it. And from that point on, I remember listening to this, credit's important to me. Like integrity is important to me. Even when I was out in the world looking for peace and looking for whatever I was out searching for, I still felt I got to keep up with my name and, you know, good character. And I got two boys that even always are going to need their mom. And I'm going to be able to supply for them.

And in this, but in the last six months, I lost my business. because it was, we were down to that place of, you know, I'm tired of you depended on everybody else. So I closed the whole business down, gave it to my designers because I was trying to do everything I could to save this marriage. Whatever he told me was going to work, I was going to do it. And by this time, so I didn't have the company anymore. And I remember thinking I got this $500,000 house behind these gates.

And I'm going to lose it. I'm not going to be able to buy cheese with my credit. How am I going to sustain my kids? And do you know when we were packing up that U-Haul getting ready to pull out a Taurus pulls up in that driveway and it is a beat-up Taurus and literally rolls its window down and says, are y'all selling this house? It looked like a yard sale because we had stuff laying everywhere. And my dad said, in fact, we are.

He said, do you mind if I go in and look in? Look inside. My dad let him go look inside. He said, I'm going to buy this house. Wow. He said, I'm an investor, and I'm going to buy this house. And at 6 a.m. That next morning, we stayed overnight. 6 a.m. that next morning, that man bought our house. Kim. And it was like, God at that moment started showing me glimpses of him. Because you were making the right decision. So he was, like, encouraging you. Like, now you don't have a reason to go back. Yes. Now it's just moving forward. Yes. And this is what he does for us. when everybody in the world

lets you down if you'll do the hard things. If you'll swallow your pride because that's what I had to do. I had so much pride. And I had to swallow my pride and move back in with the very woman that I married a man for

to run away from. But look how they showed up for you. Oh, girl. My mom and daddy. He didn't want me reaching his pulpit, but he loved his daughter. He loved his girl. He don't trust you to be behind the pulpit.

No, he thought I'm cussed. He's like, baby girl. You're still, you need to get your mouth. You still cuss a little. That was the only, he didn't want me to make a fool of myself, you know? Yeah. But now I pastor his church. Aw.

But, yeah, so I had to be back in with my mom and dad. I remember one night, Bunny, it was like the biggest, just humbling experience that me and my two sons that had everything. every new video game every i mean i drove a navigator a mercedes convertible this beautiful house we would have chefs cooked for us or we'd let them stoifers pull up all the cook meals and and overnight those boys and had gorgeous bleach you know that that long hair and they were just so cool and all of a sudden when my dad comes he makes them cut their hair hair. So it was still a little in him. Yeah. I've never talked about this part. He made them cut their hair off, their surfer hair off. And he went and put them in Christian school. So it was like overnight all

of this stuff. Yeah. And my boys ain't been to church. You know, I convinced myself we'd only been out for three years, but it had been 10. Right, right. You know, I'm only back to the name for three years. It'd have been 10. And was that a shock for them? Like, how did they adjust? Well, because my mom and Dad, we move in with them and there's a revival going on with a guy named Todd Bentley or something. I don't even remember. I mean, obviously, I remember his name. Obviously, it was traumatic to me. And every single night, they are laying in the floor, weeping with this tent revival.

And it was every night. So my kids go from no church to laying in the floor. Watching my mom and dad lay in the floor. We've been crying every night. And my dad's making them cut their hair. How did they adjust? How did it affect them? How old were they at this time?

Seven and nine. It was hard on them. Yeah, I bet. You know, my, my, my, then they, of course, a year went by 10, 11, 12. I said I was going to be out of my mom's house by then. And every year went by and I was stuck. Because now I'm having to be. to work a retail job because we're in Fayetteville, Georgia, I pastor in a town that is

horses and cows and there's not even a mall. There's a belk. And so I had to go get a job at this Kmart on crack. Right. Right. Because that's all there is. And I got to take care of my kids. Right. And so. And it wasn't just you. You couldn't just up and leave like you had done previously because now you got two little nuggets. And I was scared to make the wrong. I would, there was really a fear of, I can't mess up again because I got these two little boys that lost their dad and mom. Like, what a disgrace. Like, the first one was, it was. Oh, you were young. You were young. I mean, the only thing that, yeah, right. And I feel like it doesn't count. That one should have been an old. And if I passed him on the street, I wouldn't even know what he looks like.

Right. Oh, shit. Honest to God. I love that. Like, it was just that. And this one, I loved his guts, you know? So it was like my son's father. I mean, he had children with him. And I honestly thought we'd be together forever, you know, probably doing something in ministry. I don't know, because that's what he did, our whole marriage. Did he ever get it together? And was he able to, no, never got it together. I hate to hear that. No. And my mom was right. 20 years. Do you want this? Because nothing's changing. And I pray, I pray every day. know, because I know what it's like, great guy, you know? And I don't even know what does even get it together look like? Right, right. You know, my get it together, which is take over the

world. Right, right. Or I got peace. You know? Yeah, if he's living how he wants to live and he's content, then that's, that's all that matters. So take me to this, you know, God's speaking on your life and calling you to become a pastor. because you're living at home, you're at rock bottom, you're working at Belk, and you get this hairbrain idea to become a pastor? How does this come to you? Girl, I didn't even know how to do makeup because remember I was raised you candy makeup. Right.

So why are they going to put me at Estee Lauder? Like not even Mac. Estee Lauder, which is like granny makeup. And so that means I got it. White diamonds and all that stuff. My step-momby story, that's shit. Youth do. No, I don't remember that.

Oh, girl. Them ladies love the youth do, and they would come straight, all of them is smelled straight up, like, like, diapers. Oh. And so, and you have to wear these polyester, navy blue suits, you know, uniforms.

And so they're like, we have the best job for you, and it's Estillard. And I'm like, listen, lady, I don't know how to put makeup on. You do not want me a makeup. I really don't even like people at all. Right. At this point in my life, I'm over it.

I don't like people. I don't, I'm not going to be good with your customers. Put me in the well. Put me in the well. I'll open the boxes. They were like, oh no, we think you're going to be great. Girl, when I tell you, it was like God punked me because I was still, my dad, because I was in his house was making me sickly worship his church.

So I'd be driving a church with my cigarette hanging out of my car. And then get into the church and spray and love spell all over me. Which that doesn't even work because I used to smoke Newports. Yes. And the love spells. You just smell like a whole whorehouse. Yeah. Walking up into the church.

Every stripper in Vegas wore loves smell. Oh my God. Or vanilla. It makes me sick now. Amber Romance. Yes. Amber Romance was the other one. And so I would, I started to do his worship, but I was like in cosmetics.

And I remember watching YouTube's trying to learn. on how to like do makeup and I remember getting so mad at God one night and I was like you hate me like these old ladies like I don't even know how to do makeup and now you're wanting they're coming to here wanting I got to put it in the wrinkles and cover the wrinkles up and I don't even know how to put makeup on I'm just having this whole conversation because I truly did start talking to God right like I was really laid in that bed really seeking because I was sad I was broken And I remember laying in that bed And I said, God, I said, I need you to take this pain away from me.

And probably for the first time in my life, Bunny, I heard, I can't take it away from you. You got to get up and walk away from it. And at that moment, I realized that it was like the rejection wasn't people necessarily wanting out of my life. It wasn't just because I was bad. It wasn't just because I was unlovable. but that God did indeed have something for me to do. I never thought it was preaching, ever.

I never thought it was preaching. But he had something for me to do that those people that I'd opened the door to to come in my life, their character couldn't keep up with my purpose. And so for some reason, I wrapped my head around rejections, God's protection. And so I started climbing out of that depression,

that sadness, that hollowness, that sitting in the park, talking out with all my girlfriends drinking a bones farm, you know, or the cheapest wine we could find literally getting drunk on the cheapest wine we could find after work while my kids are at home with my parents. And I started longing. I was like I started giving me a longie because I always knew God from my parents or from Bible school. Their version. Yeah. But this time I hit rock bottom and I needed God. And I remember. He started taking me on a journey of forgiveness.

And I remember I lay in my bed at night and I would pray, God, kill him. Kill him with the train because God didn't tell me how to kill him. Or how to pray for him. He just said, pray for him to get killed with the train because I wanted him to hurt as bad as I was hurting. And I remember when he started talking about, you know, forgiveness, I was just like, wow. I don't even know how to do that. raised in the church.

Well, because they didn't show you forgiveness. They didn't show you how to forgive. That's been my biggest lesson in life too, is learning how to forgive. And I would lay in my bed every night and be like, God, help. I would pray that every night. God help me forgive. God help me forgive.

I want to forgive. I want to forgive, but I don't know how. And it was like over time in about six months, I was starting to get up, more excited. My kids were starting to see a change. I wasn't just going out and looking for trouble to get into. Right in the beginning of this journey of me finding God and really like just hungry. I came home drunk one night.

I was probably 38. And it was the last time I got drunk. I come home drunk. We'd had a party. And I was the, I was the star. You know, everywhere I went, they'd make sure I got home and everything. They would drive. I believe that.

They would drop me home. They'd put me in the band. Like, they took people who took care of me because I was just, by this time, I was happy. I was getting there. And that night I walk in my house. And I remember the girl, this lady named Tarvet was one that drove me home. And that night, she had called my son Morgan and said, I need you to open the door. because I'm bringing your mama home.

And that night when I walked in, I saw that pain in my son's eyes. Because he'd seen it two years prior when we had to leave his father. And that had taken away that whole family, you know, from him. And I saw that and I was so broken. I mean, because you know when you're drunk, some reason you're more spiritual.

If you've got any God, you're preaching to everybody. Well, they call alcohol spirits. Yes, they do. There you go. So, seeing that pain. I saw that pain. And I'm walking in, and I just feel grief because he was, you could just see it in his eyes. I was just like, because he'd never seen me like that.

I'd hit it really well, you know? And I was walking upstairs. And as I was walking upstairs, I hit all of the pictures. Oh, no. I'm 38. Oh, no. And I wasn't as bad as I had been. I was really searching for God, but I was just one foot in, one foot out, really.

And I'm doing so good. And I already doing my videos. Right, right. Already doing my videos. Already talking about Jesus. So your video started out as like motivational speaking, not being a pastor. No, no, no, no. Okay, I never knew that.

No, no, just literally like, man, I know you want to give up today. Trying to encourage. I know you're starting over today. sitting on the side of the road and you're hoopedie and you are looking at all these people that look, they're doing so much better than you. So that's what it was totally. It was definitely not because I had it all together. I probably looked like I did. But I knocked all the pictures down going upstairs at my mom's, all my graduation pictures on my brothers. And I heard the door of my father's room opening. And my heart started poppy.

because my son already was disappointed. And now my dad, which I love more than anything, was going to catch me. Because I'd always stay away, you know, if I was going to be partying or anything like that. But this night I got busted. And so I hear my dad walking up the stairs and I run to my room and I lay down like this

as still as I can thinking that he'd think I was asleep. Like he didn't see all the pictures. But when you're drunk, you just think you're very sober. And you're slick. Yes. Like it wasn't me. And I could feel his breath, looking down at me. And so I just opened my eye up like this.

And he said, baby girl, how do you feel? And I said, heartbroken. And he said, well, you're going to get through this. He said, but I hope you don't have a hangover tomorrow. He said, because daddy's going to tuck you in. And he said, forgive yourself. but tomorrow you're going to get up

lead praise and worship at our church and I thought every white person because it was all white all the white people in that building judgmental all they were

I said they're going to die because there's a lightning bolt about to go through the same living in that church because there's no way my dad should let me because most of the time you've got to get up

if you're a preacher's kid you got to get up you got to stand before the church you got to say I'm sorry that I've said my dad never let that happen. My dad covered me. He protected me, but he was going to make me get up leave praise and worship. And I remember that Sunday, it was like, God, I laid in that bed that night and cried my eyes out because I felt like another moment with Pastor Rod where Jesus was

holding me and saying, let it go. You're human. Yeah. And after that, I never drank again. It was like my father showed me everything I needed him to show me all those years. This soft side where he's saying baby girl I'm so proud of you and you're going to get up there and you're going to sing your butt off and you're going to lead worship and God is there and I trust you and so I said I led worship and it was like that there was a healing that took place and I never had to go out and get drunk and drive with one eye again and that's when my whole life really started changing and I literally fell so in love with Jesus. Fell in love with Jesus.

And I mean, girl, listen, I was then turning those car videos into preaching, but it wasn't preaching. It was all, I'm fascinated with the stories in the Bible where God leaves the 99 for the one, where he will turn apostle Paul that was Saul, that was a Christian killer, and he'll turn him into one of the greatest revivalists in the planet. Yes. He'll save him. He'll let a snake bite him that was supposed to.

kill him and he'll shake that snake off in that very hand that got bit by the snake is the one that was healing people like I'm just fascinated by those stories of the man laid at the pool of Bethesda 38 years and all of a sudden I said get your tell up what you doing yeah and he gets up and he says now take your mat and walk he knew if he left his mat there he would come back and yet that man ended up being a great revivalist the woman at the well because he came one of the greatest revivalists. And so I was always fascinated with that. So I was always telling those stories.

And if you've been church hurt, it's okay. And then I met a guy named Trent Shelton in that time. And he's over rehab time. He had this big old movement. And he would ask me to come on and pray. And it wasn't a Christian movement. But he always wanted someone to pray. And he saw me as a preacher.

And so he would ask me to come on rehab time and pray. And I'd be set up in my mama's bedroom, that room that was a 10 by 10, like size of my old walking closet. And I'd be praying in that room. And I showed up every Thursday. Like there was 20,000 people standing there. And I did it faithfully for like two years. It gave you a purpose.

Yeah. And I think the obedience to God. Like I mean, I would be out with family and have to go sit in my car so I could do this rehab time. and it stirred something up inside of me that was calling oh yeah and then when i was at blooming day i mean at bell when i when i think about that i could not stand people and god do that and he said where i'm taking you you have to like people so i'm going to put you in front of these sweet little little ladies that don't care if you can't do makeup they're just coming to feel pampered and you're going to fall in love with them because you're going to learn to listen to

their stories. And girl, when I tell you that five years in cosmetics, I felt so, all of this was in the same time. I fell in love with people so much, their stories. I started ministering to them out of a place I never, I never knew was there. Right. It was, it was like, I, I remember when I really realized that God had his hand on my life was this lady named Eleanor. Came walking back. an old lady name and I love that. She looked like an old lady. She's going to walk in it like this with her little handbag, you know? And she goes walking in and by this time because I was selling the mess out of lip glosses.

Because that's all I could put on to you was lip glosses. And everybody was buying lip glosses. And I do their makeup and then buy lip glosses. And I had one of the top counters in Atlanta for sales because. It was because of you. It was. People were attracted to your charm. It was. And Eleanor came in and she said to me, you know, I said, Eleanor, you cannot return that.

I have all the count execs come into my store and they're going to ask me what I'm doing to get all these sales. And if you return, we have no returns, Eleanor. She said, oh, no, I'm not bringing this back. She said, I'm coming back with a proposition to you. She said, for the last 13 years, she said, my husband walked out on me for my best friend. And she said, I quit living. She said, I lay in my bed and I would just rot and everyone enabled me. My kids would bring me food and groceries and I just wouldn't leave the house. I lost me. And she said, I have to get a job.

She's probably 78. And she was having to go get a job. And she said, so I have to figure out how to take care of myself. And she said, I've been going to a therapist. this woman comes to my house and meets with me for the last 10 years and she said that therapist hasn't done anything for me

but she became my friend she said but when I came and sat in your chair on that Friday she said something happened in your chair and she said when I left I went home I opened all my blinds she said I told people I don't need you to come buy my groceries anymore

she said life is bad back in me. And she said every Friday, I'm going to come sit back at this chair. And I'm going to let you talk to me and I'm going to buy another look gloves. Let's go. And it was like, that was God, Bunny. It was like all of a sudden, I was like, oh. It like clicked for you. It was like a light bulb. Everything they said about me is not true. I can preach. I can love people back to life. And if I can preach in a church, I can preach on the side of the road. I can, I can minister. I can love everybody. I can walk in a grocery store. I can. I can. fall in love with little thumbnails that I don't know.

I never meet these people, but yet God's given me this ability to love so well that they feel like they're my best friends. And it's because I prayed everyday God, let me be that person that lets people feel seen. That won't still live right. I didn't live right because I was scared of hell. I was not scared of hell.

I had already been there. But what brought me to Jesus was Rod Parsley and my father wrapping their arms around me and having my back when I didn't have my own back. So it's the love of God. It's loving people where they are and being there for them

and letting Jesus clean them up. Amen, sister. So from there, you just start preaching. What? What was it like when you did your first sermon? Oh, well, I pulled out a tutu. Okay, where did the style come from?

I need to know. You have, you've had like a whole, change in style, which I love both versions. Oh, we got a credit. Because that man right there loves me well, you know? I just never felt sexy. I was a preacher. You know, I was, I was, and you know, I try to preach soft girl. People say, how many cigarettes have you smoked today? I love your boys. Because I'm like, yeah. I get called trans. I get called Caitlin Jenner all the time. Like, is that Caitlin Jenner? I think the other day. Listen, that's a compliment. People ask me if I'm trans too. I think that's the new thing that they do, whatever women are good looking. That makes me

It's because, no, it's because trans women are beautiful now. It's like, they're so beautiful. So it's like, you know what? If you want to call us that, that's fine. I can't believe I had thought of that. It's because I'm, I'm going to say that next time. Yeah, I'm telling you. I'm a little sassy on there.

I think somebody called me Chloe the other day, and I was like, well, praise God. I graduated from Caitlin. You know, I'm Chloe in it. You're beautiful. You are beautiful. But I remember I had seen you before when you were the blonde with the tutus and the glasses and stuff like that. And then when I saw you again, I was. was like, wait, wait, wait, is this the same person?

I had to go Google because I was like, this can't be the same person, but it was the same voice. So I was like, this is her. And I was like, oh, my gosh, she's had like a total. I don't like using the word glow up because I feel like everybody is where they want to be at that point in their life. But I was like, she's had a total transformation as far as she looks, you know? I think this is what healing looks like.

Yeah. Because I think we do such a bad job in Christianity. Right. Because I don't believe that you can be a healed person and be an ugly Christian. Right. You know what I'm saying? Amen, yes. I don't believe that you can be the waiters having a bad day

and you're like sitting your food back with one bite left. Yeah. And I just feel like this is what healing looks like. It made me softer. Softer. I don't feel like I have anything to prove. Like I can come sit on Bunny's podcast and be 100% authentic and not be afraid of nothing because I know for a fat God's got my bad.

absolutely it's healed like i know i'm worth fighting for i know that if the heaven's split open tonight and i get before the lord i'm gonna hear well done my good and faithful sir yes because i love his kids well no was i perfect no but dad i love his kids and i think that's what matters damn more than anything absolutely leading with love i think i healed yeah and i think this is healing i love it you look good mama i'm i'm so excited for you and it's so funny because i don't look anything like Like people will literally, because I have such a different following now. Yeah, diverse for sure. When I had the two, two, you know, they don't even remember.

Nobody even knows me in the two, too, too. Yeah. Because my whole following's changed so much. Yeah. It's pretty how it goes and waves. So take me on your first sermon. And I'm really curious about this because we have so many people that want me to start going and speaking at places.

And I am knock need. Like, sit me behind a microphone and one on one with you, I'm completely fine. But getting in front of people and like, how do you, how do you, how do you, do it? Like how did it feel to you to do that? I'm just one of those people that just does stuff. Yeah. I know Miss Interior Designer. You know, I'll be, I'm nervous all the time. Because I need Jesus. I just, I just always like, God, God, God, I can't believe you allowed me to be here. But for me, it was, I remember I was about to do a conference. So, so listen, let me, let me tell you how I got here. So I was coming out, walking through forgiveness. God told me I had to get

and walk away from that victim mentality that I was walking in, feeling sorry for myself. Which I think is huge. That's a huge point to pick out because a lot of people don't like to say that they were victimizing themselves. And I don't think you can truly start growing as a human until you own the fact that you are a perpetual victim. Because even if you didn't do, even if the pain you are feeling isn't your fault, the healing still is your responsibility. Is your responsibility, yes, ma'am. And you can't heal.

I mean, we chose these people, so what was that? You know, so we did have a part to play in it. We stayed way longer than we should have. What was that? And so I had to get there and realize that, you know, I mean, girl, I'm the queen of laying hands on myself. I'd be like, come out. I will.

I feel I will lay hands on my hands on. I would pay to see that. I would love to be around for one of us. My mouth will get sad. So I'll be like, Come out, come out. But I remember it was when Facebook had a quiz and it was 25 things about me.

And that's when everybody was going around and telling about it. And I remember it was right in the beginning of my heel, I was probably 38. And I remember the number one was, what's your favorite color? I couldn't even tell you what my favorite color was. I was so broken.

At this point I was coming out, you know, but I was still like, man, I don't even feel worthy of God's love. I don't feel worthy of a man. love outful. I've embarrassed my mother, my sons. And number six was, number two was what's your favorite food? And I remember laying there that night crying so hard. And I was like, God, I don't even know I am anymore. Because you lose yourself trying to get people to love you that we're never supposed to love you. And you're, you just attracted to what you were and not

what you wanted. And I was laying in that bed and I said, God, I need to know 25 things about me. But that's good. And seven days later, it was Mother's Day. And Lincoln Presley, my youngest, I'm 29 now, he walks up and hands me a poem that he's made that looks like a little girl with a dress, so feminine. And she had like a little tutu-looking dress on. And she was so girly. And I just did not feel, I didn't feel soft.

I didn't feel, you know. And the poem was 35. things that I love about you. And I remember reading those, it wasn't even 25, it was 35, it was 35 things that I love about you, Mama. And number one, said, I love you because you're the loudest one at my basketball games. That boy used to tell me, Bunny, every time we'd be going to a game, he'd tell me, Mother, if you're loud, I'm never telling you again because you embarrass me, because

you're the loudest one here. But he secretly loved it. Then he's going to come tell me all these years later that I love you because you were the loudest one at my basketball games that made me feel so loved. See, Mamas don't listen to them. And then number six was I love you because you conquered hell in high heels. And man, girl, I cried like a baby and healed. So many layers came off me. So then I got invited to go preach.

And it was a Cogic church. And what kind of church is that? Like, like, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, like, all yeah, like, everybody, get the rattlesnakes out and stuff. All you got to do is just say, amen, and everybody's like, oh, right? Like, you don't got to have a whole lot of anointing. Right. Like, you just got to walk up in there like you feel it. Right. Right. And, and so I was standing in the front of the mirror, I'd be like, hang God, had he said, trying to learn how to hoop, because I'd already seen all the people's weekend. They were all go hoop. They were all going to lay hands on everybody and the whole place and they had asked me to come preach off of a video in a car. And so I remember laying in my bed, I was like, oh my God, I was, I didn't practice hooping.

I didn't practice dancing. That left leg wasn't going to move. So we knew that wasn't going to work. This one would move, but that one wouldn't move, you know, so that shout was discombobulated. And so I'm laying in my bed and all of a sudden I remember that poem that Lincoln had made me and how that made me feel. And I was like, a tutu. Girl, I don't know where that came from because my body was not built for a two-two.

Okay, I was probably 178 pounds, like 199 pounds at that time. I order me a tutu and go to this conference with a two-two black tutu on because I was scared of these people and I knew that if I come in as something that they're not going to judge my preaching because I'm going to already take them away. Right. They're just going to be like, whoa, look what she's walked in. So I put me some combat boots on. I had a black tutu, and it was all because I was scared to death to preach.

Did not even know what I was going to, scared, had not heard from God yet. Like I'd been begging God to tell me what I said. He left you hanging. And so I had a, I remember like it was yesterday, I had on a, I had on a, black t-shirt with Ron Solace in Cochran Hell and I heels. Girl, when I walked in that place, it was like the Holy Spirit took over.

Like when I tell you, it was, I preached a sermon that night called from scars to stars or something like that. Those women, I never had to lay hands on one person, which I was scared to death to do. I never had to lay hands on one person. I didn't even get to the sermon. I got to,

up there and just started talking, just flowing about, God was just putting stuff in me about brokenness and healing and how much she loves you, daughter, and all this stuff. When I tell you, that place was, everyone was just laid out weeping. And so from then I thought, well, it was a two-two. It was the two-two. The two-two. I won them over. That was it. When I walked in, it just, it just won them over. And so then I just started wearing tutus, and I became like that little tutu breecher. It was like your little uniform.

Yeah. It was my uniform. But it set you apart from everybody. Well, it sent me apart and they didn't have a whole lot of expectations. You know, like it was like, she's coming in a tutu, but we love who this is. Right. And I was allowed to say things like they were because, you know, at that point, Twitter had already given me the name Real Talk Kim. And I went.

Oh, is that how you got your name was from Twitter? my name was taken. And they said, real talk, Kevin. I was like, yeah, I like that. I love that. And so they, TikTok gave me the name. And then probably, I mean, Twitter. Then a year into me preaching,

I got contacted to go on oxygen and be preachers of Atlanta. Because of my tutu. I love that. So I don't, I still to this day, can't tell you really wear that whole look. I mean, I shaved my head off. I would shave my head with my razor that I was cutting my legs with, you know? And then I'd take lipstick

and put it in my hair. Are you a natural blonde? I am white now. Yeah, just great. Because you're not 5030. But naturally, are you a blonde? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I, you know, would bleach my own hair.

Then I'd put all that color in it. But it was like that became huge awakening. for me because I learned how to preach in that season. But that tutu took me, it sounds so cliche, I guess, but it was almost like I could, I felt like she was worthy of being there. Yeah. Because miracles took place when she walked in. Yeah. That she was, she served you for that season of your life. That's who you were. We're talking about her like she's real. I mean, she is. She's sitting in front of me right now. It's just a different version. I was that way for 15 years. Yeah. I mean, that's a lifetime.

You guys, you know, she got you started in this and you made a name for yourself while wearing that tutu. Yeah. So take me on, you ended up getting married again. Yeah. That was your third marriage. I did that before all of this. All of this.

So I was still living with my mom and dad. We're getting to Angelo. That's why we're going down the. Yes. We save the best for last. The best for last. So the third one ended up DMing you. Okay.

So I was living at my mom's. You know me. I was living at my mom's trying to get out. I was still in the parking lot drinking, partying. But I'm coming to Jesus. I'd already had the experience with the moment with him where we were like, God, I need to forgive. So I was really starting to preach. I haven't preached yet in a church, but I was singing now. And this man slips into my DMs and he's 15 years older. And all I thought was, this man's going to get me out of Belk. He's going to get me. me out of Bloomingdale's. He's going to get me out of my mama's house. Because you still had that thought of, I mean, I was never going to preach. Like, that wasn't even an option. And now I'm at, you know, I didn't even have the confidence to go start an interior design company. Right. So I'm stuck. So I got to marry somebody with money. And so I met him through Facebook and married him after meeting him twice. It wasn't Facebook Marketplace, was it? Okay, good. Can you believe I did that? You probably should have been. It could have.

been actually right but he slipped in my DMs and I married him and it was hell and that is when the windows of heaven opened over my life yeah and I would still be married to him you know you try to make things work oh yeah and ministry took off and was he a Christian too yeah yeah just didn't walk it he was the devil it was like I married Satan and had to pretend I was happy be. Lyer, the biggest liar, I would look down in church and he'd be sitting there with his hands up in the air with tears rolling down his feet. And I was like, when you get home, you're going to be the biggest devil on the planet. Was he abusive? Oh, no, but he was just mean as a snake. I mean, that's just his worst. Verbal abuse. I'd rather take a punch to the

face than emotional and verbal abuse. And because God started taking me off, he would literally when I would get done preaching about that was a stupid sermon. You don't know the word. People, they don't know who you are. And then he would talk about me behind my back to staff, to, I mean, like the horns came out of that. You literally were sleeping with the enemy. Absolutely. That's crazy.

So God caught him. I mean, I'd been married to him for eight years. We were living completely different lives. I was on Preachers of Atlanta, and I think he was on, like, one show. he made everything hell for me. I think that was my last test, you know? Because I kept it together. I was at the feet of Jesus a lot.

And I was not allowing that man to steal what God had given me. And so I thought like the last one, last elephant on the ark. That was the devil trying to take you down and just knock you off track again. Because he was so. Horrible. How did you guys end up splitting? Well, I was preaching in Biloxi, Mississippi. And so when I met him, I wasn't preaching. I didn't start preaching for two years after I met him.

I was working at Belk and Bloomingdale in the process of that. And those videos started taking off and then I started preaching. So when I met him, I was not already, when I'm married again, I wasn't in ministry. So I was preaching in Biloxi, Mississippi, and it sounds like I'm making it okay for a while I got married again I had to give you all the details

yeah no no no you're painting a picture so I'm in Biloxi, Mississippi some of my pastor friends called and we're like Ken we are so sorry and I'm like for what they were like you haven't been on social media I'm like no

they said well your husband has been caught and he is a cheater I bout fell over This man acted like I mean though we didn't have nothing He still acted like

And hammered with me You know like he would never He loved the life I'd given him at that point I was like this old man There's no way I saw a video of him he was bald He was totally And old like what was it old

Like what I didn't even understand All right you were doing charity work Kim I almost fell out of my bed last night saw a video of him, I was like, what? I don't even tell people. This was a low, I knew it was a low point in life for you, okay? Just by the man that you had beside you.

All trying to get out of my mom and dad's house. Every time I even try to talk about Angela's ex, he's like, you can't say nothing to me. Angelou, I have your back on that one. Because I was like, wait, what? When I saw this guy's shiny bald head sitting next to you, I mean, grandpa. And he was horrible.

I mean, he was grandpa. Like, okay, if you'd be nice. Gramps. You know, if he was, if he was, he was, he was, he was gramps. It was Graham. And he was not even good gramps. I mean, and to be mean to you, like, come on, dude. Like, that's just, how, you hated me.

Pick a struggle, okay? He hated me. Like, I'm like, dude, you hate me. He was jealous. He was jealous of you. He was jealous of your light. Your angels disturbed his demons. Do you, do you know how people, that's exactly right?

Do you know, do you know how people bring us gifts? Because they love us. He would come in and throw them. They don't know who you are. They'd come and take pictures of me out in public. He'd be like, we cannot take pictures out public. Well, this man got busted. He was taking my jewelry to these women.

He was, he was going to get tales. Who is fucking hooking up with that? My followers. Gosh. It was my followers. It's because it wasn't for him. It was for you because some women have a thing where they want to be with the man that the woman that they look up to

is with. It's a weird sick dynamic that parisocial relationships have. Well, her family found out and they were like, you're doing what? With real talk camps? Because you know, I've come across like, you know, back then I was like, bye, Felicia. I've healed from that.

She's still in there, though. Yeah, I mean, he's so in there. Like, I fight for people like I did for her. But I went online and all these people, he was standing there in a picture like this. And he had his hands cross and people were like,

does anybody know whose husband this is? They know who says. They put him in one of those groups, huh? Yes. Oh, shit. He was on, we were, he was on all the blogs. And so they said, does anybody know whose husband? Everybody knew who's, I'm sure they knew it was real talk counts,

but they were trying to probably protect me too. Because they were, I mean, for the most part, people were pretty kind to me. And that boy had cheated on me. woman's family and found out. And come to find out he'd been married more than I knew. No. And all of his exes were reaching out to me. He said, yes, finally, Real Talk Kim's going to take him down. You're like, where were you guys at when we were married? Like, why didn't you guys warned me then? They did. Oh, okay. All right. Oh, girl. They reached out to me on Facebook.

They were like, run. Don't be with this man. He is a devil. And Mimi was like, well, what's going to happen if he's like that? I'm like, well, just get divorced. I wasn't in ministry. I'm just going to keep taking my chances until I find this healer that's just going to come in and take care of me. And by this time, my dad's got dementia. You know, so it was like I, he was like my savior.

He got busted and, girl, I went by that church, threw that phone down on that. So if I come back from Biloxi went straight to that church. And I remember he laid his head down on that desk and said, I knew I was going to kick. Oh, no. And I was like, it is over. I love that you had enough strength, though, to walk away.

Yeah. And you were just like, you know what, no, you're not going to do this anymore. So take me on that journey after you kick Gramps to the curb. Well, I started, you know, in this process, too, I wrote books. I wrote seven books. Yeah. And so I wrote one last, I wrote, the one book was shut, hell up. And that year I released that. And I think that's what gave me the courage girl was I get

sick of people staying in these marriages with these people because God hates divorce. Right. But God loves the divorcee. Isn't there a thing in the Bible, though, that says that when a man is unfaithful to a woman that he wants you to leave? Yes. Okay. But who cares? Like even if you're in a marriage and I get strong for this. Yeah. I get dragged. Unhappiness. But God doesn't expect you to stay in a relationship where you are killing each other.

Right, exactly. And I think so many of us do that. Why would I stay in a relationship with this man that was not nice to me, you know, pretending that everything was so great and hating my life because I was afraid I was going to lose my ministry if we got divorced because that was going to be third? And how could you preach to your full potential when you're literally. really being just drugged down at home. I remember during the pandemic, it was right when the pandemic had started

and I started live at nines. And I did live at nines because he had been busted and he wouldn't get out of my house. And he said, I'm not getting out of that house unless you give me X, Y, Z. And I was like, over my dead body. I was like, he sounds like a real peach, this guy.

He was filling his truck up when I was traveling and, I mean, it was bad. And it was, the devil was really trying to make me hate. Like trying to break it down. Because I could ruin some people. Because you were doing the Lord's word. Yeah. So he was coming at you with daggers from every angle.

Yeah. Yeah. And I wrote that book, shut hell up. And I started doing live at nines and you can hear in the back, him slamming cabinets and stuff. And then getting up in church and worshiping and stuff. So you know what that was too? That was a trigger from what I'd been raised in. So it was like right before my major push, God puts another Phariseeical fake bomb.

in my house and it was like I had a last encounter of Kim you got to get all that junk off of you like you you got to fall head over heels and stop trying to handle things with your mouth as I remember I wrote that book started doing live at nines and um and I did a sermon called morning move and that morning move is what caused me to really find that I can preach. It don't matter what I've walked through. I'm going to, I'm going to walk through this, lost my daddy three months later to dementia. I'd already taken over the church three years before that. So my dad had been, you know, a part of the, like he got to see. The transition. He got to see, he got, he was my biggest, my biggest cheerleader. And so I had full redemption on all,

all areas. But I, I had written my sixth book, which was so huge for me because I was in special led my whole life. And literally on a short bus. And it was like that six books shut hell up was me finally speaking out of my mouth. Never again will we allow those triggers. Never again. Because in the book I had to break down what are triggers? Why do we keep falling in love with the same people with different faces? Why do we stay in situations because we're afraid of people in a free app? Why do we? And so I was breaking all this down and I was walking through breaking soul ties, breaking generational curses. So I was walking through it as well.

Yes. And in that process, our church just began to explode. I was so fulfilled. My daddy died. I whipped my mama up, my little 72-year-old mama that had never lived. She had literally, for the last five years, taken care of my dad, like was a little boy. I had no, I mean, he would run away and we'd have to go find him. That's how bad he was.

And I saw my mom go into the grief, and I just whipped her up, took her on the row with me, watched her evolve. I watched her write a book at 72 sleeping with a stranger. I watched her glow up. Me and her both started glowing up. Oh, you're going up with your mom. I love that. I sold my house that I was living in.

Fayetteville, the first house that I'd ever lived alone, like I'd always lived with a man and my husband's. And I lived there for five years by myself. Look at you. And I just took hold of my life and never lived back. You fell in love with yourself. You fell in love with yourself and you started a relationship with yourself and you started discovering who you were so that now that you enter into this relationship, you can be a whole. Yeah. I remember. selling my house and it was such a scary thing for me because I'm doing all these things women couldn't do for the for the Christianity and uh I told God I was like man I just want to I feel like I want to move downtown and live in a high rise but why there's nobody down there

my church is five minutes away and I said God if this is you because I'm I'm now for Jesus like I was in the world you know like we're doing this dog all thing like I ain't scared I'll start a building tomorrow. I'll turn a business, you know. But it's all for good now. And I said, God, it's your will for me to sell this house. You'll sell it in seven days. And I want to make $250,000. All my money back that man got. Girl with the first 17 people that was 17 people walked in that house and they all put bids on my house. And I walked out of there with more than I'd asked for. And then I had to go downtown and find this house. And I told God exactly what I wanted. I found the exact condo and five minutes down the road

where I met my husband. I would have never made him if I wouldn't have moved down. Can we bring Angelo in? I know you guys don't do a lot of contact. Get over here. We got a microphone for you too. You have to come over. Hey, y'all, do y'all hear me talking about him

in church house slow loo? Y'all get to witnesses. That's how my best friend Monica is. She takes forever to get out of the car. I'm like, I started countdown. Every time I get out of the car and I'm already at the door and I'm like, all right, Mo, you know, like, let's go. I love it.

Yeah, come on down. We got to put a face with the... Sit as close as you can. Yeah, we got to put a face with the name. Oh, yeah, he's over here snoring. He's over here snoring. You know what? I think that what you and I are experiencing with the freedom of just living life

and being able to do all these great things. You and Jelly. Thank you. You know, is that y'all have, y'all minister and don't even know it, but now I know why. Like, it totally makes sense to me. Makes me want to read your book even more. Oh, I appreciate that. I downloaded your book last night.

I haven't, um, I forget which one is the pink one. I got you a whole bag coming. Oh, you do? I got you Bible Betty. Yay. I've got you God's girl. Everything from my store is coming. I love it.

Oh my gosh. Thank you so much. We'll get you some merch too. We're about to drop merch as soon as I'm done with this podcast. When is your book? My book comes out February 17th now. We pushed it to February 17th, but 2026, and we're doing a whole book tour. Like, it's going to be fun.

It's going to be. I love it. This is my sweet Angelo. Welcome to the show. I love this man. So I met him at right down the street. Let's just say I replace all three of them. Oh, listen, when you walked in the room, I felt the alpha male energy.

I was like, oh, this is Big Papa. The Papa just walked in. He's got his Louis Vuitton suit on. You guys are just a stylish little couple. I love this so much. And I love how much, because you remind me of me, anytime I talk about my husband, I just light up and I smile and I just like you,

it's like you can't fake that. Like you're really in love. It's because they've showed us what we've always wanted. Exactly. He's your safe space. Yeah. Like I know this man would, he likes a smoke. Yeah.

And he will fight for me, you know. And that's why you're like, that with jelly roll too because oh i'm so protective over him i go to that i'm always in the headlines for sticking up for him i stuck up for him so much that my husband told me please stop sticking up for me he was like you don't have to do that anymore i love that he's like i know you love me he's like let people say what they're going to say you can't throw it how long y'all have it married uh 10 it'll be 10 years in august so nine years we've known each other 10 years married nine years i love that yeah he's my baby So you guys met. Tell me all about this.

So I went out to eat on a Sunday night. I love that he's kind of shy. Well, I mean, it's different from being at home on our podcast because I kind of take over. Just take over since we hear. Oh, gotcha. I mean, please take over. We want to hear you talk to. He is shy.

I see him rubbing his knee over there. He's a little shy. I'm really proud of it because he's coming my world and he's killing it, you know? I mean, it's kind of like, you know, you. you know you like this guy and your guy that's coming from the neighborhood and we're talking on a podcast my friends talk on podcasts they're talking sports but you've had to learn about jesus where are you where are you from angelo where are you from like what's your background florida okay yeah so um they say it's kind of it's kind of was different and i was just

watching her on this podcast yeah i was like and i'll see i see them talking her mom and stuff and And I came out really kind of in a jumpsuit all white. I said, I'm ready. You just put me in here. She said, come sit down. I said, you sure? I say, well, make sure they don't see my socks. We can't see your socks here either.

And that just broke him in. And the first thing I saw when I go and look at the podcast. Was your socks? It's my socks. Oh, no. They didn't zoom in. Yeah, I was like, whoa. I can promise you no socks in this podcast.

But I'm fresh to death now. You can show me from all the way. I'm fresh to death right now I mean it's different I love it I love it I love it I'm just so thankful man that I get to get to love like this in my 50s

I've gotten to hear her how she feels about you I want to hear what it was like for you when you first met her when she we met outside of the garden area the St. Regent

and he was eating with her her brother and his wife and i heard the voice all the way over here with some guys and let me make a detour the bathroom behind me i'm gonna go back this way where i can see what she looked like because i hear the voice and did well you were you attracted to the voice yes i was i was attracted to the voice and stuff it wasn't like phyllis dillis or nothing like this right right you know it wasn't that loud you know right right right he said oh i was a little crazy but i heard I heard the voice. I said, let me kind of go over here and look, okay.

And she got this big patch of Gucci jacket on and stuff. I made these, you know. I just, this is like my. So I had a Gucci jacket. She had a whole Gucci sweatsuit. Yeah, okay. Okay, well, white girl got a little fresh on. Got a little style.

You know, I'm in the ATL. Like, you know, we see what swag looked like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you guys are swagged out out there. Yeah, we see it. So I'm hearing the voice and I say, well, and I walk past, I was like, okay, hey, you know, those wings, you know, those wings, uh, tastes real good. I guess I was kind of like dropping my little line. It was like, it was weak and stuff. It was weak. I love that, though. No, I didn't think that was weak at all. Like, at that. It was

weak. It worked. It worked. But I'm here. But I'm here. I'm here because her brother, her brother's here. And I just like, okay. And I just went to the bathroom and I came back. And, you know, she was like, yeah, they are good. And I'm like. And I'm like. Okay, three months later, now we back at the same place. A friend of mine asked me, hey, you want to hang out? Like, okay, well, yeah, I'm thinking about it. And it was about two hours. Man, this guy don't stoop me up. I'm going on my own now. And I meet him there, and I'm looking at the corner of my eyes.

I'm sitting here by this fireplace, and he gets up. Let me go ask him see if they like the fireplace. And I was like, man, you're messing with these people. And I looked over the corner of my eyes. I can see her. And she turned around and look and all I see of her face like. And I could read a mind. I was so excited.

I could read him. Had you thought about him after that first initial meeting? You know, I never dated a black man in my life. All of a sudden I say this black man. Only, yes, I thought of him. No, I'll answer the question. Yes, I asked. He's like, I would like to know.

No, I was raised, though. No, was you thinking about me. And he made me think about him. Because I only say the wings. I just saw this thing. You guys had, after the wing comment, you guys had never talked. I talked nothing. I never gave him a number.

You guys went separate ways. And I remember telling my brother, I said, that is a good looking man right there. Look how big he is. And I started working out. But I thought, if I'm looking at somebody like him, I got to get myself up snatched. But this is a place, this is a place where, you know, it's a Friday night, people out, you see women all the time. You see from Atlanta Housewife, whoever it is, from this people there, and you get hit on. So I'm used to that type, but I'm used to,

I wasn't used to that. It was just kind of like, okay, it was like my little line, and it must be worked. So I saw her face and I'm like, okay. And then I skid over. Wait, were you still in the tutus and the blonde hair? Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay. This was only three years ago. Oh, no, no, no.

He said no. So I retired my two-toes when I took over our church. Okay, gotcha. And I'm going to be pastor six years. Okay. She was kind of like in the Mrs. Brady-like type, though. Not the Florence Henderson. Yeah, she had a little bit of that going on.

So I said, you know, and we started. And so actually, I got up. And my friend, he already on him. parley over here yeah i got up and i'm like let me come over here and stuff and uh and she said you you can sit right here she was not shy but i was shy but i was like but i wouldn't let him get away this time oh she said you can sit right here like i would call chachi yeah yeah yeah yeah chachie and i was like okay i said and i got well i was like girl you got how to flirt like i ain't never know how to flirt my life.

I was like, we can't let him get away. Oh. I said, you must have got. And this ain't church. And I was asking, I said, well, I guess you. So you couldn't hide behind the pulpit.

I was like, are you, like you're tall? You got long legs or something? I don't know. I said, yes, I got long legs. I love this. And then, and then we talked, man, for four hours. Aw.

And she, we talked. I think we, we talked and you gave me your number. She said, put my number in your phone. And then you sent me in video. As real talk Kim. I say, you're real proud of yourself, eh? Real tall Kim.

But I knew he'd go find me. No, because I didn't worry about social media and stuff. I'm like, I'm the real deal when I go outside of this social media. People that go out, people that own social media come out, they're not the real deal. Angela's an OG. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'm the real deal in live person, no matter if it's, I don't care who's who it is.

I'm going to fit in that room. Yeah. And I'm going to be the realest one that's in that. no matter what kind of, no matter what they got going on in their life, their bank account is gone, they're not real. So I knew, so I, I didn't pay attention to social media. Right. I had a business website that I was only brokering high-end cars.

Right. I didn't want to play no games, a DM, I didn't know what a DM was. So you didn't give them your number, you only gave him your social. I gave him my phone number, too. He sent me Drew Hill Beauty. Oh. before I went to bed. Oh, look at you.

And that next morning, he popped on my prayer call, and I saw him. I was like, wow. He found me, real talk. That's why I said real talk, Kim. When I said Real Talk, Kim. What did you think of when you went on social media type? I got up, I was on her live. And I'm like, I'm hearing people talking.

I'm like, well, it was the, I think I called it next day after that. This is, I should people talking back and forth. disrespectful and I woke up that morning and got on the life they were saying her nose I said man I told her like that I love your nose your nose is so big it's in me a nose I like your nose love your nose and I'm giving these so he's like thanks for the heart so I'm thinking like let me give some hearts and I didn't I didn't know that was taking my money god I didn't know that was taking money out of my bank account oh shit he's like give him back give me the heart's And all the hearts and stuff.

I'm like, filling all the hearts of stuff and stuff. Like a month later, I'm looking at, man, these things. That is so funny. Like social media. I'm like, I ain't bought anything. You know what I'm like? I love that. I'm like, man, so I don't know if I want to go to her church because these hearts are already getting expensive.

I already put it an offering. This was my offering. I'm like, now, you know you belong, hey, for me. And then he said he's going to friend about a breacher lady and the man's to run. Don't you take all your money? to me it's like me buying her a drink i don't gave you my heart she kind of like belonged to me now you buy somebody a drink you know she like belong to me yeah i love that and so it was after that he showed up at my church and did not tell me on sunday and we were packed our church is god really

is blessed so you can't find places to sit well she really didn't tell me she was a preacher i did while we were sitting she said i did no no no no no no no no no no no no no Back up. Back up. She didn't tell me she was a preacher. Sort of. Yeah. I was like, he'll go run if he knows I'm a preacher. She just told me, come to her church. You know, her church, she did come up.

Oh, so you thought you were showing up. So you thought you guys were going to be sitting in the pew together. You didn't know that she was going to be the one preaching. I've been invited to a lot of women to say come to my church. It ain't day church. That's TDJ's church, right? You didn't even say, you didn't even say my dad. And someone will tell you, my daddy is the preacher.

Right, right, right. So I know I ain't going. Right, right. I ain't dealing with the daddy and the church. And he's the pastor. So there's no way. So when I thought, I was like, okay, yeah, I'll be there. But he did not tell me.

Yeah. So I'm thinking like, she said, well, we got probably two services. I said, I know I ain't going to come to all three of them. Or two or three. Three services. Especially after the hearts. Oh, no. You're getting limited time, honey.

Oh, yeah. So it was something about, you know... But when you walked in, gosh... When you walk in and see her preaching, how does that make you feel? Are you like, oh, my God? The church was packed. Wow. The church was packed.

Walked in. They greeted me. And I always tell the staff that now, when I walked in, they greeted me. It was like, man, it's like this church. It seemed like everybody had the eyes on me and stuff. And it's kind of like dark in there, too. So you got the thing. And these girls was behind me, and they was like, can you sit down here?

It's one of the some seats there. So I followed them. Okay, well, I'm sitting next to them. And he walks up front because we put new seats up here because we were just trying to shove people in. I saw this man walk down, about passed out. They thought they had the best seat. And one of your staff member came. Because I saw you.

I was like, oh, no, he got to move. They came and got me, like, put me over here. I guess I'll see y'all the next. I'm going to VIP. He said, I'm going to VIP, baby. I'm going to hit to the upper room over here. Hey, y'all, my mother reached over to me. And she goes, who is that?

And I said, I've been talking to him. I met him at a restaurant. And she goes, Kimberly, this is the Super Bowl Sunday of Christianity. It was easy. Don't let him distract you. I love mom. Oh, my gosh. I love mom.

She was like, don't you let that man distract you. You've got to give him Jesus. And did you give him Jesus? Jesus. Girl, I gave them. I probably preached one of my best stories, don't you think? Oh, yeah. It was like...

She hasn't even preached no more since then since I was. Are you kidding? No, no. But I tell you this man, Loves. We got to go back dating again or something. You got to scare her. He could even tell me when I preached that Sunday. Like he...

Yeah, he's in the... Lazarus coming forth. And I just saw her, and it seemed like the praise team. The drummer just got louder, boom, boom, boom. And she had these six inches. I was jumping out of the tube. She had these six inch heels jumping out of the tube. Um, um, um, um.

You liked it, huh? Yeah, that's it. It was, it was so crazy that me and my sister always go to this restaurant for Easter. I love that he's remembering all these like little things. I was like, that is really sweet. Because I haven't heard this. It was so crazy. I mean, my sister always go for Easter to this dinner.

Right. And I canceled at the last minute. She called, you say, we're still going to dinner? I said, no, I'm going to think I'm just going, I don't want to go. So I ate dinner with her and her mom on Easter. And my sons. Yeah. Like, was that not crazy?

Yeah. And you guys have been together ever since? And now my sister, you know, I don't have time for it anymore. You got to just invite sister to the, to the. the part of the dinners now. So I would, listen, I remember when he started coming and my mother, me and my mom were driving to church about a week after that. And she said, Kim, I want to tell you something.

And I said, what? She said, let this man be him. Don't you try to change this man. Mom loved him. Loved him. She said, don't you let nobody try to make him a preacher? Don't you make him come to your church? If he wants to come, he can't.

When he wants to, he can't. But he is, you let this. man just see where it goes. Yeah. And I did. And now he's running the church three years later. Oh, look at you. I love this.

I love love and I love happy endings. And for you to be her happy ending, you must be something special. I'm just so thankful, Bunny. Yeah. You know, I'm not sure he's thankful for you too. I think the thing is with any guy, he want to know what it looked like before he get into it. Right. Yes.

And any guys that jump into any marriage, then they're going to keep jumping into marriage. And I was thinking, when I was watching her preach, I would go watch this pastor that I always used to watch on, because this was almost like a year after COVID. And people took a while for them to start getting back going into churches. So I would watch her. Then I was close out, watch her for them. And I always was watching how things was looking. Right. And now kind of, you know, you're looking on the outside.

Now you're in the inside. Mm-hmm. So how do you... So he's fixed at all. Everything he thought needed to be fixed. He's coming in and help fix it. How do you want to better your church and better your community? That's a teammate, though.

That's two people that can come together. And you can always tell when a couple is good for each other because they evolve and they level up. That's exactly what my husband. Sorry, there's hair flying everywhere from my dog. that's exactly what jay and i have done in the past 10 years that we've been together is literally it's we don't stay the same each year we level up you have to you have to that is so important in a relationship because when you stay the same that's when and i feel like it's rare yes i feel like people don't just let their spouses be them it's like you try to change them no you can't you can't do

that you got to grow together and the only way they're going to grow is that they feel freedom to do that absolutely and you want to be a safe space and you If you're nagging at a man constantly or if a man is nagging, you know, nobody wants to be told that they're doing wrong all the time or that they need to be somebody that they're genuinely not. But when you pour love into that relationship, it just blossoms. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited for you guys. Look at you guys now.

I remember he told me, hey, he told me whenever we were dating, it was probably what, six, seven months? He said, you need to do something to your hair. And I was like, what do you mean? It was like, you need to get a style. And I'm like, I'm white. white people don't get styles he says yes they do and I remember one day on my prayer call

I said y'all wigs what do I do because I'm in this in between stage I found out women are the ones that started wigs white women are the ones that started wigs and extensions really I had no idea about that before anybody

and so I went got me extensions and glowed up for him and now I love it we work out together I didn't go to a gym tell us 50. He's your best friends. You guys are best friends. And that's a huge, huge testament to you guys's relationship.

Well, I figure we will change for each other. Yes. It's certain clothes that I probably never. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was never like this. I thought when you walked out, I was like this is something I would wear with heels. Like I think it's so cute.

Yeah. I would be not. I'll be. I love it. Why lays? I was like, no, I'm not going to put it back because I was still just old school with it. Yeah. I was kind of like, man.

And now when you start feeling it, then, you know, I kind of just, she'll drip something of it. Now I can drip myself. I love it. She could drip a little, then I could drip with her. And then I just kind of, he was working out. So now I introduce her, went to the gym and she's kind of working out a little bit too. Girl, I had bat wings. I was like fat, just saggy.

Did you do it all natural or did you use GLP1? Oh, all natural. Yeah, good for you. But it's been 72 pounds over four years. Oh, yeah, no, it's a, let me tell you something about fat loss. It is a slow process. And nobody tells you about that. And I would do jail, Pete.

Look, don't get me wrong. I'm not scared of it. I'm about to get on it. I don't care. I ain't scared of it. I would do it in the heartbeat. Me too. If I was having trouble, I would do it.

So anybody out there struggling, do what you need to do. Don't let nobody tell you nothing else. Angela, I'm so happy you came and sat down with us. You are so sweet. Kim, I have held you for, what, almost three hours? No. Has it been? Two hours, almost two and a half hours that we have been.

talking. So you all got a bunch of that out. I could sit here and talk to you forever. Really? Yeah, I could sit here and talk to you forever. I talked about stuff I ain't talked about. I want you to come back, though, because I didn't get to talk to you about everything. Like, I want to sit down with you and kind of really pick your brain and, like, get questions from people. Because, you know, there's so many people. I feel like God is making a movement on the world right now. Big time. And I feel like there's so many people out there that want to change and don't know how. Yeah. And I think maybe if, maybe we'll come to Atlanta and I'll rent a studio. and we'll sit down and I'll just pick your brain

and we'll just talk. We could do it in my penthouse. Okay, I would love to. Especially about the elementary stuff. We don't know about half of the stuff happened with you. He was shying away from this. I kind of wanted to hear it too. Yeah.

Like, you know, childhood and. I don't talk about it. Yeah. Because he, I kept trying to pull out. I didn't feel disrespectful. No, no, no. I'm not disrespectful. It doesn't.

You're doing a good job. But maybe there's something there. No. No, you don't, you're doing some, when you're throwing those daggers like that and so that's what you want and it ain't really about who you was married to because they don't define you not at all but when we when you pull in it when you pull and say hey what happened at 10th grade what happened in the 6th grade yeah what happened yeah and I remember it's a lot of women that's fighting that's hiding yeah absolutely there well we definitely need a part too

yeah so I'm gonna come out and visit you yeah we'll come to you guys I would love that yeah and then we can even because there's so many people looking for God and I think it was important for us to tell this part because you can look at my life and see my fruit. Yeah. Outlives every lie ever spoken about me.

And that God doesn't write you off. He's waiting for you with arms wide open. He's not a mean, God. You and I are proving that to these people. Six feet or ten feet. And so, what? Six feet or ten feet.

For what? I said to that you had when you was a kid. Oh, now you're going to try to be a therapist. Angela, that's for part two. We're going to sit down with you for part two. And I'm going to get all in it I do skip over it. I wouldn't be praying about it. Yeah. No, pray about it. And when you're ready, let's talk about it. Because it's my job to try to pull it out of you, but it's also

your job to talk about it when you're ready. And nobody can force you to talk about stuff. You don't want to talk about it. And I really, oh, I'm not, I'm definitely not afraid to talk about it. I think I just, you're right. I think it was just so much that I, so I would definitely talk about it. Yeah. It could have been, it could even have been when we came out of United Pentecost and it was a trigger because all of a sudden we could do everything that we were told we couldn't do. Yeah. And then 250 people walked out of our church. And so that probably was where I just,

wipe right on over it. I feel like when you're under a thumb and under a microscope at such a young age also, you get to a point where you just don't, it's de-gaff. You do not give a, and you're just like, let's fucking, let's roll. I'm ready to do whatever I wasn't allowed to do and what I was told not to do. So I think you did what every child who has ever had religious trauma did. But the cool thing about it is you were able to pull yourself out of it. And look at you now.

You've written seven books. And my babies work for, I've got two sons. They work in church with me. I mean, that's amazing. Like everything that should have been horrible, God turned it around and he'll do it for everybody. Tell everybody where they can find you if they want to go to your church. If you have any online stuff that people can watch every Sunday, stuff like that,

just shout it all out. Y'all listen, come to, if you live in Atlanta, Georgia, Limitless Church, 1653, Highway 85 South, Fayetteville, Georgia, 30215. We're there every Sunday, 10 and 1130, and you are, y'all, everybody come. You are welcome. You're going to feel so loved. And if you can't make it to Atlanta into our physical building, it's across from Whitewater High School in Fayetteville, so that's your mile marker.

But if you can't make it in the building, we have live streaming on my Real Talk Kim YouTube channel every Sunday 10 and 1130. Yay. And so you can watch it. And then you can find me on Real Talkcom.com.com, which is my website. I have a store. I have great books.

I got seven great books. Seven books. That will help you get unstuffed. I wrote one. I can't even imagine writing seven. All my books, too, are about getting unstuck. Every single book is given you. You're a savage.

Listen, get unstuck because of what I just talked about. Yeah, absolutely. I've walked through all of that and every book is about different seasons in there. I love that. Angela, what about you? Do you have social media? Well, real talk kids. Real talk to you.

I love it. Her biggest supporter. He said he don't want people fine. He's out what your crazy friends find. No, you do not. You don't want the interwebs on there. Thank you guys so much for coming today. I appreciate you so much.

I love you back. Oh, we have a podcast. Oh, shout that out. We have a podcast that's on all over, all social media's real talk cam as well. And he's all there with me. That's one of you'll find. yeah he's on all my podcast i love it thank you guys so much for coming i love you i love you too and this is the beginning of a friendship and i'm just so excited to see where it goes i'm so and i love

this you're little bible batty with me now no i love the bible i love that we actually we want one of my books to be called the bunny bible so oh i love it i love that bunny bible oh thank you guys for coming and thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde i'll see you guys next week bye I don't know.