Dumb Blonde - Season 9: Best Of (Part 1)
Episode Date: July 14, 2025Season 9 brought the heat and the heart, the tears and the truth. Bunnie pulls a few of her favorite moments from the season, including Whitney Wren getting real and raw about her friendship ...fallout with Christen and finding herself after heartbreak. DJ Paul brings the Memphis energy and wild Three 6 Mafia lore. KT Smith opens up about love, healing, and life before the Morgan Wallen headlines. Danielle Sylvester shares her powerful story of motherhood, addiction, and second chances. Meme and Hailee, AKA the coven, talk about Hawaii vacations, clapping back at mean comments, and Bunnie’s deep love for a butter-making woman.Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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It's...
["Dun Blom"]
Is this thing on?
Hi, babies.
Welcome back to another episode of Dunblom.
Actually, welcome back to a new season.
And I figured what better way to open up season number nine
than with a guest who's been on the show.
But since she's been on the show, so much has happened.
And the internet is so curious about her.
Ms. Whitney Wren, baby.
Hello, bitches.
First of all, let's tell everybody how hungover you are.
Yeah, I threw up right before I came here.
I actually texted her and I was like,
well, she was sick first.
And then she texted me and goes, I'm sick.
I said, okay, me too, but I sucked it up.
Dude, I fucking, I went through the neurovirus.
You were just at our new bar last night.
It was so good.
It was so cute.
Your whole, I'm like, damn, that's a good picture.
Aw.
Baddie up there.
Thank you.
I'm like, I have the funniest TikTok I'm gonna do
when we go there tonight
because it's this huge fucking picture of me, right?
And all you see is a big ass toe.
And it's like, that's not the toe I wanna see.
So I'm just gonna be there.
I'm gonna be there like. What made you pick that? I'm just gonna be pointing at it and, that's not the toe I want to see. So I'm just going to be there. I'm going to be there like,
what made you pick that?
I'm just going to be pointing at it
and then just zoom into the toe.
I can't wait to do it.
What made you pick that one?
That's the toe.
Oh, everybody's going to notice the toe now
and I can't wait.
It's going to go viral.
Can't fucking wait.
But anyways, enough about me.
We are here to talk about you lady.
So much has changed since the last time you were here.
Last time you were on the show,
you were here with your best friend, Kristen.
Yeah, I was.
And for anybody who wants to listen to that interview,
I forget, I think it's season six, season seven,
just look for Kristen and Whitney.
You can get all their backstories.
You can hear about how they grew up, all that stuff.
This interview is gonna be all about the drama, okay?
So no backstories here, but I wanna just say I love you.
You know that I love you and I've always had your back
and I hate having to see some of the shit
you go through online.
It really fucking sucks.
And I think you handle it so good.
Like, is it different now than when you were here last time?
Like how you handle things?
Like, does it hurt as bad
or is it just kind of roll off your shoulders now
or do you have to really like process it
and take time and like deal with it?
Yeah, it affected me so much
to where like I had to actually go,
I was gonna walk into a mental hospital.
So it was to the point where I pushed my boyfriend away,
I pushed all my friends away,
like all I was worried about was making money,
which shout out to you coming here,
like the last time definitely changed my life
because I give you credit to all the ideas for everything,
for the podcast and everything.
So thank you for that.
I appreciate that.
But yeah, like genuinely,
I just think being on social media is like one of the hardest things that you can really do. Like, obviously, it's not a nine five and there's not really
a lot that you can do like that way. But I just think that now after like seeing that,
I really don't have much friends anymore and then losing my boyfriend
and everything was just put out on social media, they're judging everything that you
do, you say, you walk, you talk.
I couldn't even walk outside and somebody not take a picture of me if I was with another
guy or anything like that.
So it's just like, it gets annoying.
But it definitely affected my brain and the way I thought about
things I thought everybody was out to get me.
Everybody wanted to hurt me or use me or everything like that.
So once I got medicine and stuff, I kind of just stepped back and was like swallowed a
lot and now I just focus on me and what I want to do and make myself happy.
So you ended up not going to the mental hospital,
but you did get help and they put you on medication.
Are you feeling better now?
Yeah, I feel better.
I feel less irritated.
I think I was very overwhelmed with everything
that was going on with like the podcast
and my friends were hurting me constantly
and my boyfriend was up my ass 24 seven.
So it was just like everything was leading up to like me just breaking.
Yeah.
And it just pushed everybody away and I mean I eventually like see now not everybody has
the best intentions for me and my life except for like my family and there's like one or
two people that obviously support me and stuff. But yeah, I feel better now.
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
But let's OK, so let's take it back for everybody who is following this story
and who knows a little bit about everything.
Last time you were on the show, you were here with your best friend, Kristen.
You guys were really tight, it seemed like, you know,
a lot of us don't know what went on behind closed doors
or how your guys' friendship was behind closed doors.
But you guys had a very public friendship and then also a very public breakup.
And this was before you were even with Tyler.
So we're going to get into even how you and Tyler got together and that whole situation.
But first, let's talk about the BFF.
What happened with you and Kristen exactly?
Because I know everybody is so just
invested in you guys as it's almost kind of sick. Yeah, how and like I'll see grown women
that are just like, so you guys are like literally reality TV, which we're gonna talk about the
reality TV show too, because you motherfucker should have came with me. But hey, it's all
right. Future. There But it's all right.
The future.
There's always a future.
There's always a second time around.
That shit would be fun.
But yeah, so what happened with you and Kristen?
Take me on that journey and tell me,
what happened when you guys left here?
You guys started the podcast.
Let's start from there.
You guys started the podcast.
You guys started doing really good.
I was doing a lot for her to like be successful.
And one thing about me is I always want to see my friends
rise up with me.
I never want to see anybody fall.
So I think after that we started the podcast.
It was really good in the beginning
because it was like, we were motivated to want
to make episodes and have people on and stuff.
And then towards like the middle of it,
it was kind of just me doing it.
And I started to get a little bit frustrated
because I don't like doing something
and you're gonna get 50-50,
we're gonna put in the same effort.
So I was losing that a little bit.
So it started to get me irritated in her.
Plus she got with, she started getting with Jacob.
And I had to motivate her to get up,
to do things constantly.
Like we had a very, very close relationship,
like very close.
Like I loved the fuck out of her.
Like she was my like ride or die.
Like I would do anything for her.
And I think it kind of got a little bit like different after her and Jacob got together.
So she kind of started, she's a very like one-on-one person.
Like if you're, you have to just be one person.
She doesn't really have a lot of people around her like that.
So she's like out of sight, out of mind.
Yes.
So then when she moved out, we started the podcast, did all that,
and then she got with Jacob ever since then.
It was kind of like very just like,
her personality changed.
She wasn't as like clingy to me.
So that changed me because like we were like this.
So after that, like her and Jacob got together,
I kind of backed off a little bit
because she started like pushing me away.
So I was like, it's fine.
Then when I got-
Did she push you away because Jacob didn't like you?
I don't think Jacob liked me the whole time.
Why do you think he doesn't like you?
Cause I knew he was, he's just very,
like I love them now together.
I'm happy for them.
I just didn't like the way that I see
through people very easily.
I can look at somebody and I swear to God, I'm psychic.
I can look at somebody and just feel because of how much I wanted her to succeed
and like I loved her so much and I saw everything.
Rocky put her through, she went through with Connor, her being depressed.
I had to go pick her up from her house.
Like everything just was, I was just now getting her
to where she could stand up on her own.
And then Jacob steps in and he, I mean,
not to be like that, but he didn't have followers.
He didn't have money.
He didn't have, he was with Rachel.
So it was just kinda messy.
And I was just very standoffish with him
because I didn't like the past of him,
but I obviously accepted him.
I was like, he's a good guy, whatever,
regardless of his past.
So with them being together, kind of just like,
I don't know if he just didn't like me
because he knew I saw and I would like,
I'd never really made comments.
It was just kind of like, why would you do that?
Or like, why would you let him do that?
So I think he knew that I knew and like,
I loved her so much that it seemed like obsessive
because I wanted to be around her all the time.
Like she just made me happy.
So I think he kind of just never really liked me.
I never, we went on vacations and stuff
and he never even had conversations with me.
Do you think maybe she was telling him stuff
without you around, which is why he was like that?
Maybe, but I don't, there was never like,
I'm very honest and very blunt.
So if you have a problem or you're,
you have something wrong and you gotta tell me
or else I won't care.
Yeah.
I'll still do the same shit.
And then after me and Tyler got together,
she got even weirder and like, I don't know,
everything just like fell apart.
Like it just with the podcast,
like she claimed that we were just more business partners,
but I was still in her phone every day checking up on her.
Hey, how are you?
How was the baby?
Are you good?
Are you sick? You need me to Are you good? Are you sick?
Do you need me to bring you anything?
Do you want food?
Do you want water?
Everything like that.
Like I was like this,
cause I want her to be my friend so bad.
And I don't know why.
I just think like I've never been around somebody
that's so genuinely fun and like funny
and like we get along very well.
So everything just switched.
Her personality completely changed when she got with Jacob.
So ever since then, I kind of just.
She kind of just left you on the list.
But like even hanging out with her recently,
the last times we were hanging out,
she's so different.
She doesn't really laugh.
So it kind of just got to where the baby came
and then she tried to say like,
I'm growing away from you.
And then, I don't know, I'm growing away from you and then, I don't know.
I'm a very good friend.
So sometimes like things I don't see in front of me,
I just want to make people better and I don't know.
Everything changed.
Well, you make jokes about it online
and there's kind of a rumor that swirls around online like were you in love with Kristen?
It wasn't ever like
No in the beginning in the beginning. I think like we would she would make out with me all the time
Yeah, but I don't know if it was like
Just her we would just be drunk and stuff. We never hooked up or anything like it never
Got to that. She's straight. I'm not into girls like that anymore.
So it was never like that.
But I just, I think I fell in love with our relationship,
our friendship, because it was so easy to be myself.
It was like a sister.
Yeah.
And I've never really had a sister like that.
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Talked about that.
But along is Three 6 Mafia and Bone Thugs was rivals, long time rivals.
Yes.
Actually when Jay and I first got together, I'm a Bone Thugs girl.
He's Three 6 guy and he was like, don't ever talk about Bone Thugs in the house.
Thank you for that, Julie.
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His loyalty with you guys.
Thank you very much.
Like we for real got an argument one time
because I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
I was like, it's bone thug.
And he's like, no, bitch, you're in my house now.
This is like it is three six all day long.
So we was into it back in the day.
And I don't know if you say that versus we did versus like
Yeah. Two, three years ago,
we got to a physical fight on stage.
That's when him and I got into that argument was during the versus.
Yeah.
Well, like, you know, like, and we, and us and bone have been friends for years.
We did our first song together with crazy bone on the Project Pet album back in 1997.
The beat started in like 93.
You know, so we've been, you know, cool ever since then.
Bone is like my brother, brother.
It's like I'm closer with some members of Bone than I am actual family members.
They're actually supposed to be coming on the podcast.
Yeah, I love those guys, man.
So like even when that happened that day,
like some of us looked at each other,
like we charged at each other like,
like, man, I'm not gonna hit you.
Like, I'm not gonna hit you.
Like, no, I'm not gonna hit you.
And we hugged, you know, we hugged.
So it's like-
I feel like Bizzy is the one who pops it off all the time.
Yeah, he did do that.
Bizzy is who did it.
Cause everybody else, man, I see these dudes every day.
We got the same merch factory.
Like we go to work together, we're coworkers.
But I had never really seen Bizzy in real life,
except like in 1996 at Atlanta airport.
That was the only time I had ever seen him.
They say he's really elusive.
I met him one time and it was like meeting an alien.
He just was like, he doesn't talk.
I don't know, he's just got a very different energy.
Yeah, he don't really talk, he's real quiet.
You know, he's really deep.
You know, he's really deep with his thoughts and all that.
You know, I like him, you know, I'm a fan.
He's really cool.
And I like how he started it off.
I like how he started the verses.
He brought, cause I started it off,
you know we all friends with each other.
So I started off like, oh man, yeah, man,
we're finna go on here for history and for the culture.
You know, three six mafia and boom,
we're gonna have a good time,
and they're gonna do some songs,
and we're gonna do some songs.
Beenz said, fuck that.
He started posting shit of him beating us up and shooting us and killing us.
I'm like, oh, we're playing prison rules now.
Okay, Bizzy, okay.
So I started posting stuff back.
We would take each other heads and put it on other little bodies from a movie where
somebody get locked in a trunk or beat up or something.
So he started it out, but it was good.
Because he started really building it
to be like a real match, like a Mike Tyson.
Like a real versus.
Fight or something.
Yeah, he built it up, he took it there.
So when we walked out on stage,
we was walking, shaking, hugging hands,
and he was still in character.
But he was looking at me like,
I'm like, okay, I thought this was just a publicity stunt,
but I think this nigga is serious.
So he didn't even shake nobody's hand.
He was looking at me like,
I'm like, okay, this finna be a fun night.
I got back into it, he was looking at me mad, so I'm like,
okay, if that's where you want to go, we can just go there, motherfucker. I can do the mean,
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that. And this and that. So all night, we was this and that, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad with him.
and that mad, mad, mad, mad, mad with him. And then next thing I know, he just hauled off and threw the bottle of water at Gangsta
Boop.
He called us ugly first.
He like, man, you ugly motherfuckers.
This and that.
I was like, okay, man, call another man ugly, but okay, I get it.
You pretty.
You got long hair.
I don't have long hair.
I used to have long hair.
I don't have long hair no more.
But so he called us ugly
and then he threw the water bottle against the booth.
So then I ran up to, you know,
to block them and protect them,
but I wasn't going to go over there and hit him.
You know, I wasn't going to hit him.
I wasn't going to hit nobody in that group
because I'm cool with everybody in that group.
So I just really just ran up just to like stop this dude.
But then, you know, next day I know my boys behind me
kept running.
They didn't stop.
Cause they don't hang out with them.
So then they ran and next day I know, you know,
people start punching this and that and we broke it up.
Was it still all for publicity or was it real on business?
No, that was real.
Wow.
Yeah, that was real.
That was probably one of the most iconic verses though.
There was people backstage with black eyes. Yeah, that was real. Holy shit. Yeah, that was real. That was probably one of the most iconic verses though. There was people backstage with black eyes.
Yeah, that was real.
Holy shit.
Yeah, that was real.
That wasn't a stunt, that was real.
And then they sent him backstage.
He stayed backstage for a while to calm down
and we continued it.
And then he walked back on stage.
He walked straight over to me, you know, he apologized.
And he like, man, you know, that's just...
I was like, man, I'm not tripping, bro.
You're like, we're all family here.
We all hugged out and then it's the first of them.
You know, we sung the song together and the vibes was back good.
And backstage, everybody was hugging and taking pictures.
It was back cool.
Me and Lazybone posted a picture backstage of us hugging each other, smiling.
It was everyone.
I remember popping my collar was my shit
because I was working, you know,
I was an escort back in Vegas.
I was a high-priced call girl.
So fucking popping my collar was my shit.
Who had the pimp themes in the Three 6 Mafia?
Was that influenced from your childhood or was that-
Yeah, my brother was an actual pimp.
Okay, gotcha.
I had a brother that was an actual pimp.
Gotcha.
Yeah, he got killed being a pimp.
Oh, rest in peace.
Yeah, so yeah, I grew up in that too.
Okay, gotcha.
When I say I grew up around organized crime,
I basically did.
All of it.
Well, I mean, you can't have drug dealing
without hookers and blow either, you know?
So it's like, it all goes hand in hand.
Yeah, it does.
But yeah, that was my shit.
I was popping my collar, popping popping my collar.
Everywhere, everywhere I'd go, I'd drive to like, you know,
sit at my appointments and shit and be bumping a three six.
It was my shit.
Yeah, and if you, if you was in that life, then you knew that a
lot of Memphis people was in the pimpin.
Yes, absolutely.
Memphis has so many pimps, man.
That was, that was the thing back then.
Gold teeth.
It was a different lifestyle too.
You know, like it's not like it was, it's not like it is now.
Like people always say that I glamorize that life, but it's not that I glamorize it,
it's the life that I lived
and it made me a lot of fucking money.
And like, yeah, there are downsides
to every fucking sort of street thing
that you could possibly do,
but there was also some good that came out of it for me.
And I always, I don't try to glamorize it,
but I do try to tell the truth about it, you know?
And it was a different time in life.
Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was completely different. Yeah, it was. It was completely different.
Yeah, it was.
You know, like I grew up doing a lot of crazy shit too,
that I wouldn't glamorize or talk about.
I guess I do with the raps, but you know, like in a way,
but you know, I just noticed that a lot of people
that I know that came from bad things in their past,
I know a lot of people that's doing,
the ones that survived, they're doing really, really good.
Absolutely, we're all in our healing.
Like if you look at Master P,
Master P came from crazy shit, crazy shit.
You know, like, you know,
now they do work hundreds of millions.
Yeah.
Hundreds of millions, because what I think it is,
is you get a different knowledge
going through shit in the streets
that a school could never teach you.
I know people that went to, when you asked me
to go to college, I said hell no,
cause I know some people that went to college
that ain't doing nothing right now.
Absolutely, I always say street smarts over book smarts.
Book smarts are a necessity for if you're gonna work
a regular job and if you're gonna be a CEO
of a financial place.
But like if you in life, the school of hard knocks is going to teach you the most
lessons.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even in the music business, some people that I know that taught they self music or
this or that versus some people I know that went to school for music, they're in
two different worlds.
Yeah, absolutely. two different worlds. Yeah, absolutely.
Two different worlds.
It's just because hustle can't be taught, or hustle can't be bought.
And it's like school, you're essentially learning from somebody else, but in the streets, it's hands-on.
It's sink or fucking swim.
Nobody's out there to save you.
So you're going to have to, it's kill or be killed.
You have to figure it out yourself.
Yeah. And you learn more from pain.
School don't teach pain.
Yeah, absolutely.
Pain is the quickest way to learn anything.
That is a beautiful way to put it.
Like, yeah, you get hit in the mouth
and you be like, God damn, I should have blocked.
Next time I'm gonna block, cause that shit was not cool.
Yeah, absolutely, but that's a beautiful-
That shit probably had to add to school, just walk around and it'll be like, phew. But you know, it was in school. Yeah, absolutely. But that's a beautiful- They should've probably had that at the school.
Just walk around and they're like, pshh.
But you know, it was in school back in the day.
I got a lot of weapons.
You used to get spanked.
Yes, I've gotten spanked by the principal before.
Have you guys ever gotten spanked?
Hell no.
Aw, fuck.
Man, they gon' call the police.
No, yeah, I've gotten spanked.
I had a principal who was able to spank kids.
Me too.
I couldn't imagine that. Mr. Chambers.
Yeah.
Mr. Chambers, man, that motherfucker, man,
he was the coolest dude in the world.
He was tall, handsome.
He looked like he looked exactly like Lawrence Fishburne.
Oh, wow.
And he would walk in there.
He always had a mean face.
And like, you had to really do something really fucked up
for him to come.
And this and that, so like they pressed that button.
Like, Mr. Chambers, Paul is acting up again.
I need you to come over here.
He show up to that door.
Come here, Bargara.
He said, you know it's gonna be trouble
and I gotta make house calls.
That's what he said.
You know it's trouble and I gotta make house calls.
He was a comedian.
Boy, and he will whoop you in front of everybody.
Not in front of everybody.
Not in the hallway. That's embarrassing.
Right there, pull them pants up in the back,
so it's tight.
Pull them pants up.
Man, he'll ask you which one you want.
Like the strap for the hand or the paddle with the butt.
And this nigga constructed a pedal that was worse.
He put holes in it.
Oh, he wanted it to catch the wind.
Yeah, so man, and then it like,
it sucked in a little bit more,
I think, because of the holes.
Man, he'd be like, which one, boy, got hit in the butt?
I'd be like, oh, God.
So man, he would be right there in front of everybody.
But just the funny story,
my daddy owned a pest control company.
And one day my daddy got called to go to this dude's house.
Man, we showed up to this house.
I like mid-century modern houses.
We showed up to this house,
nice one level mid-century modern house in the hood though.
But it was the nicest house on the street.
I'm like, man, this is a nice house.
This and that, that was the only reason I went with my daddy
because I like to see houses.
Like I told you, it's the 65 year old white woman
inside of me.
I'm walking over, I'm like, man,
it's a nice landscaping he got right here.
This is a nice house.
Man, next thing I know, the door swing opening,
it was his ass. I said, what? I said, daddy, I know the door swing open and it was his ass.
I said, what?
I said, daddy, I said, this is the nigga
I was telling you about.
This is my principal.
This is who be whooping me.
We are in season motherfucking nine baby, full steam ahead.
Whoop whoop.
Hi. Hey.
Hi guys.
I love that you guys are like regular staples
on the podcast now. Yeah. Do you. I love that you guys are like regular staples on the podcast now.
Yeah.
Do you remember when we first started out,
you guys would not let anybody video you.
This one for sure.
Hayley.
There's hand only in her hand,
how to look a certain way.
No, or if we put her face in it,
she would make us put an emoji over it.
I'd put the emoji over it.
Yeah.
It was, it's just been really cool to watch you guys
glow up in front of the camera.
Now I was on here with no makeup.
Girl, I did one podcast with no makeup on.
I was like, never again, I look dead.
I'm not doing it ever again.
Never, never, never.
I went from only ever wearing makeup to nothing.
You gotta watch your smacking.
Well, it's cause you're beautiful.
The way you just momed her and the way she looked at you,
her mommy issues kicked up so tough in that fucking glance.
Just hear it over here so I can just imagine
what happens over there. I heard it over here too.
I heard it over here too.
It's an art to chew gum and do podcasting at the same time.
I literally hold it like tobacco in my lip.
Did you just put it on my couch?
It's in her finger, she's up here rolling it.
Put it on Mimi.
Don't you fucking dare. She likes it. She likes it.
Don't. Don't.
Well guys, I am so excited to be back.
You have no freaking idea.
This season, as you guys can see,
is already starting off to be a banger.
And I'm just, you know, really, really excited
for everybody to see all the guests
and just do another fucking season, man.
Season nine. I can't season, man. Season nine.
I can't believe we're in season nine.
I feel like we should celebrate season 10 when it gets here.
Yeah.
Monumental.
It is.
Definitely number balloons.
How many?
Oh God.
I'm going to be one of those people like the ones on Instagram when they reach a mile.
So I fucking hate that.
Don't do that.
If you're a first of all, I don't like you did it. Well, no, I didn't do that. If you're a, first of all, I don't like, you did it.
Well, no, I didn't do it.
Jade brought me 100k.
Jade's the type to.
Love you, Jade.
You guys are like, it's a tourist thing.
Influencers too though.
I hate the term influencer.
I think it's the weirdest thing ever.
I don't think I'm an influencer anymore.
I used to be like, ASMR videos tell me yes.
What, what do they? I used to be like a videos tell me yes. What do they?
I used to be like a guru, like a beauty guru.
Like I feel like I don't do that anymore.
Well, cause you're letting people get to know you
a little bit more.
You don't have a niche.
And I feel like, I guess if it's to be an influencer,
you have to have a niche like fucking,
what's her name?
Nara Ford Smith.
Nara Smith, no, Nara Ford's the name? Nara Ford. Nara Smith. No, not the hot O.F.
Model.
Sorry.
Yeah, like Nara Smith, like
love her.
She has a very, very
niche.
But I wouldn't also say she's an
influencer.
That's what you are.
Do you know how many women wake up
every day and want to be fucking
dropped and gorgeous and bake a loaf
of bread I
Don't want I don't make a sourdough you guys if I had the patience I would I'm obsessed. I don't know how to do it
I'm afraid I would poison myself. The starters are scary though. Oh, they look like they're alive
Yeah, I don't like that with it when I tell you I could make it if I had it like no problem
But it's the patience. I don't have it.
I don't have a ton of jealousy in me at all.
You guys know that nothing makes me jealous.
The one thing in the world that makes me jealous
is bitches who can garden,
bitches who can fucking bake a loaf of bread,
bitches who can just cook anything from scratch.
Steak and eggs, gotcha.
All day long.
Chicken, done.
You want me to freaking,
you want me to make you homemade pudding?
Absolutely fucking not.
I don't know what I'm doing.
Or like the bitches who make beef tallow,
like for their skincare products.
Like I wanna learn how to do that.
I would be a hippie with armpit hair
and just fucking live at home.
I'm gonna teach you how to make butter.
When the fuck did you learn how to make butter?
Oh, did you not seeing my video?
Butter looks easy. I didn't think it was real.
I didn't think it was real. My butter is delicious. Okay, how
do you make it? You literally just put it in a mixer.
Motherfucker, I did something hard. I want something complex.
Then you got to put it in the water and then you got to
squeeze it,
then you gotta season it,
then you gotta roll it, that kind of stuff.
But like actually ingredient wise
is just heavy whipping cream in a blender for like,
or a thing for 20 minutes.
I need non-dairy options.
Let's do the real hard stuff.
Is there non-dairy whipping cream?
Yeah, I use it all the time.
Well, there you go.
I don't know if it'll separate like real butter, but yeah.
Those fucking seasonings never do.
Like if you get gluten-free bread crumbs,
they're not like the real fucking thing.
Jason is traumatized after you accidentally
ordered him gluten-free bread on his Jimmy John's
and he talks about it quite often.
I love gluten-free bread over regular bread any day.
He said it tastes like cardboard.
No way.
Oh yeah, he was like, I will never.
He got my sandwich then. No, you ordered everyone's said it tastes like cardboard. No way. Oh yeah, he was like, I will never. He got my sandwich then.
No, you ordered everyone's,
because it was like a party.
Oh.
He all came and he was so traumatized to this day.
He's like, I will not let Bunny order me a sandwich.
I have to put it in myself.
I didn't even know.
Oh God.
He's like, what the fuck is this?
Okay, so we went to Hawaii.
Hawaii?
How amazing was the Hawaii trip?
Life-changing.
I did not want to leave.
Dude, it was so needed,
and I didn't realize how needed and necessary
it was for all of us.
Yes.
We got to frolic and play like fairies in the forest.
What a good word.
Literally, we frolic.
We did.
I mean, I think I saw the boys,
their little toes were twinkling.
Like everybody was excited to fucking.
The boys were all holding hands when they were jumping.
They were literally like going off the cliff holding hands.
Never thought I'd see Boston holding hands
and jumping off a cliff.
Boston literally looks over and goes,
we gotta hold hands, man.
He goes, all right.
He goes, but I'm letting go so we don't hit heads. I know my husband wanted to hold my hand. I said, I love you. I'm gonna hold your, man. He goes, all right. He goes, but I'm letting go so we don't hit heads.
I know my husband wanted to hold my hand.
I said, I love you.
I'm gonna hold your hand ever so gingerly,
but you're not pulling me down with you.
No, hell no.
Like I'll jump with you, but midair we're disconnected.
We're not going in together.
Taking my hand back, gotta go.
When I tell you this man,
this fucking sexy little minx
went all out, bro.
And like, I've been with my dude for nine years.
My husband is, one, we don't do stuff like this
for each other, we're not over the top.
Like, we'll buy each other cars, stuff like that,
but you know.
Something that requires like an immense amount of planning.
That and romance.
Yeah, like it was, this was literally romantic.
Yeah, my husband is a Capricorn Venus.
I don't know if you guys know anything about Capricorn Venus's,
but their love language is work.
OK, like that's I'm a Capricorn Aquarius.
That's all I do is work, but their love language is fucking work.
No romantic bone in his body.
So when I when I saw my husband plan out this entire trip,
which Mimi knew about it, I didn't even fucking know about it and hit it for me. bone in his body. So when I when I saw my husband plan out this entire trip, which
Mimi knew about it, I didn't even fucking know about it and hid it from me.
Um, I guess he had been planning it before he even asked me or was like
thinking about it. Yeah we had been. Well when you pulled plug I immediately set
up a meeting with him and I was like call me ASAP. She pulled the plug and so
I was like we have something has to happen. I was like even if I literally just go over there and cook her dinner, I'm not letting this birthday
go by without celebrating. Cause it's the first time we've been together eight years
almost and you've never let me celebrate you. And like, this was their first year that you
said yes. And I was like, everyone hold tight. We're doing it. We were so excited. We were
like, this has to happen. And when you pulled the plug, I was like, fuck.
That's probably why my husband said,
so are you going to Puerto Rico?
Cause you had texted him and told him.
So yeah, so we, I just trusted him.
I never, I'm a control freak too, but I was just like,
you know what, baby, whatever you want to do.
He's like, all right.
He was so anal about the entire process
that he wouldn't even tell me.
I wasn't allowed to ask when we were flying out. I wasn't
allowed to, I'm like, I need to know so I can pack and be there. You know, like we get on, he,
my husband gets me a private jet, flies from Nashville to, it flies us from Nashville to
LA. And then from LA, we got on a commercial flight to Honolulu or Kona. And when we land, we've never been to Kona.
And when we land, we get to the Four Seasons in Kona,
which by the way, guys,
if you're ever gonna stay at a place in Hawaii,
please stay at the Four Seasons in Kona.
It will blow your mind.
The people there, Miss Cindy will greet you.
Can we take Miss Cindy home one day?
She is Moana's grandma energy.
Absolutely.
Just so loving,
so sweet. Like you will get laid the minute you get there. Both ways. Tasha got laid twice.
How was, I'll say it in a second, nevermind. What? How was it that Hailey was the only one
that didn't get laid? She kept protesting. Like everyone on the trip, just immense amount of sex.
Haley. I did it myself.
Yeah. I didn't have to talk to anyone.
Yeah. I kept telling Haley.
I'm like, let me hook you up with somebody. Let me let's go on Tinder.
Let's do something.
And she was just like not having it and I'm not going to force her if she didn't
want to, you know.
So anyways, we get to this place, the four seasons and Kona they, my husband
got the presidential suite for me
and I've never stayed in a presidential suite ever
in my entire fucking life.
I mean, with sugar daddies, of course,
but like not with somebody that I love.
And this wasn't a suite.
This was a fucking huge four.
The mansion.
Yeah, I was like, it is like, huge.
It was crazy.
It was the most beautiful thing I ever saw.
And it was the sweetest thing.
And my husband just really went above and beyond.
And, you know,
and every place we went to was decorated with like happy birthday stuff.
Yeah. Champagne and your layover in L.A.X.
Yeah. Was decorated like he literally he decorated the P.J.
Yeah. So the plane there, everything was decorated. Every step he decorated the PJ. The plane. Yeah. So the plane there.
Everything was decorated.
Every step of the way was so above and beyond.
Yeah, it was really sweet.
And I know everybody's like, oh, good for you, you know, but it's like,
you have no idea. My husband is not a romantic.
So for him to have gone to those links to do what he did meant so much to me
because we've been together almost a decade and I've never seen that side of him.
And I was like, I could get used to this.
I understand now why girls like the princess treatment.
Ladies who have been doing the princess treatment,
you motherfuckers have been doing it right, okay?
It's nice.
No, it's noise.
It is like, I have the one, the only,
KT Smith in the house, baby.
Hello.
How are you?
I'm happy to be here.
You are stunning.
When you walked in, I was like, oh my God, she's so pretty.
Thank you.
No, you- I have some zits right now, but you know,
I try to cover them up. Nobody can see those, stop it.
And then I met Morgan on Snapchat in 2016.
Not the old Snapchat romance.
Yes, and I mean, we only snapped for about a month
and then we met right after my birthday.
And you met him before he was even Morgan Wallen.
Yeah.
Yeah, so you-
And I didn't know who he was.
Right.
He had just been on The Voice,
but I didn't think that was cool or anything.
Yeah. When I showed the people that I worked with at the church,
I was like, just don't judge the way he looks,
because he had long hair,
and I was just like, just take it with a grain of salt.
And she was like, oh, he's cute.
And I was like, oh, you think so?
So we started dating.
How soon after you guys were snapping for that month,
like what was the first thing later?
So you guys have a first date. Oh,
so you guys just went straight into the frying pan.
Yeah. So I, he invited me to like his show,
which wasn't really show. There weren't many people there. Yeah. Um,
but it was with Josh Turner. And, um, then we,
he invited me to hang out afterwards at this bar, shocker.
And it was not, did not go as expected.
Oh no, what happened?
He was not thrilled that I wouldn't go home with him.
Oh.
And so I ended up going home by myself, but it did not end well in that aspect.
Then my phone died.
But then when I got home, he was like, but it did not end well in that aspect. Then my phone died, but then when I got home,
he was like, I'm so sorry, like all this stuff.
Like I usually don't act like that.
Was he drinking whenever?
Oh yeah. Okay.
Yes, heavily.
Yeah.
But then I was like, okay, whatever, we'll try again.
So then we hung out again on Thanksgiving.
And then a month later,
we were pretty serious around this time.
I guess pretty serious as in a month later, but.
Yeah.
Well, Jay and I got married a month after we met.
So, I mean, you never know.
When you know, you know.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I thought I've known a few times.
It's okay though.
Hopeless romantic is, I think it's a beautiful thing.
It can bite you in the butt.
Yeah, for sure.
It is like definitely great in the time being.
Yeah.
But a month later, he invited me to his family's Christmas
and he was like, oh, it's just 15, I swear to this day.
He still doesn't say that it was only 15 minutes away,
but I'm like, you told me that we were going
15 minutes away. It ended up like, you told me that we were going 15 minutes away.
It ended up being like an hour and a half drive
with his like parents that I had never met in the car.
And I mean, it was a lot of fun, but I got there
and there's probably a hundred people that I had to meet.
And it got-
So he did not prepare you at all
for meeting the entire family.
Not at all.
And then it got, it was really serious.
We got engaged four months later in April.
Just funny.
Cause I always get engaged around Easter.
No more engagements around Easter.
Coming up.
Easter's coming up.
Not doing it.
I'm going to call you that day and be like, listen lady,
not happening.
No, got engaged.
And then-
So when you guys got engaged,
were you like just head over heels for each other
and you guys were just ready to start life together?
Oh yeah.
I mean, throughout our relationship,
there were like all the trauma and stuff.
Like I thought he hung the moon and stars.
Like everything that he did, I was like amazed by.
But yeah, my ring was from like,
what's that store in the mall?
Swarovski?
Swarovski?
Swarovski?
Oh.
So it was like a $75 ring.
I didn't care.
I was just like, I don't want a big ring.
Like you could do, it was like the whole,
you could give me a ring pop thing, I don't care.
So we, I was, had to go to work right after that.
So we had about five minutes and in the parking lot,
he said, are we gonna do this or what?
And then we were engaged.
That was the proposal at the JCPenney parking lot
in Knoxville.
Listen, I think it's romantic.
Not will you marry me or anything, but. Are we gonna do this or not?
Yeah.
Are we gonna do this or what?
I love that.
That sounds like something my husband would do.
And I mean, I loved it.
Yeah.
And I was thrilled.
And then after work, we got pizza and celebrated.
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You guys know what want to know something that I've been watching
What Amish witches you text that the other night? I wanted an explanation. Yeah, where when how
So it's on Hulu and it's a documentary and what they do is they follow these three chicks who are Amish and
They are like they're into some heavy shit. I'm talking like doing seances,
like sucking negative energy out of people,
blessing babies, getting them to like not have like healing people.
One of them's grandma was like high up in the witchcraft and like it was passed
down to her and she was the sweetest. She had the sweetest soul. Um,
and she like really just believed in healing.
Then there was a second girl who I don't really know what she kind of did. I think she was kind of like just meddling.
And then there was a like trying to figure out if that's what she wanted to do.
And then there's this third girl who comes in and she's like evil.
She wants to fucking like hex everybody. And it's like, you know, like just evil energy. And they travel with them and you
know, this is real. This is like legit. Oh, it's real
happening. Real real life. It's not made up. So they they they
sit in on a bunch of like spells and like all the stuff that they
do. Well, something happened where they stop and I'm not I
don't want to tell you guys because I want you to watch the documentary.
Something happens to where they stop recording with them for three years. And then finally
they're allowed three back three years later. And when they go back, the one who I said
was the cute one who I, who I liked and was sweet excommunicated Amish does not practice
witchcraft anymore. Looks so good. Looks beautiful. Like before when she was like healing people,
she looked so like sucked up and like,
like she didn't feel good.
And she like changed her hair color
and just like had so much life back in her.
Yeah, she was saying that.
Did she find Jesus Christ?
She did.
She was saying that she felt sick all the time
and that like, you know, doing that.
She was like possessed or some shit.
Yep. Put so much bad energy into her life.
And then the second girl, same with her,
the one who was like meddling,
I didn't really know what she was doing there.
She changed over too.
And then the third one was trying to get out of it.
But like during the last interview,
she's like talking about how powerful she is still
and how she's trying to control her magic.
Like it's crazy.
You guys gotta watch it.
Oh, I'm watching it.
On Hulu? Yeah, on Hulu. Yeah. Like it's crazy. You guys gotta watch it. Oh, I'm watching it. On Hulu?
Yeah, on Hulu.
Yeah.
Amish witches.
Can't wait.
So we kind of wanted to do something different today,
you know, since we're talking about things
that are happening on the internets.
We get so many comments a day, you know, tons and tons.
And yes, we love all the positive comments,
but the funny ones are the mean comments.
Oh, insane.
And it mostly comes from Facebook.
I mean, I get it all over the place.
I mean, yeah, it's all over,
but I don't really get a lot on Instagram.
Occasionally Instagram.
Yeah.
I say Instagram.
Yeah, Instagram's so nice.
Unless a real goes viral. I was like, that's really what Instagram's so nice. Unless a real goes viral.
I was like, that's literally what I was gonna say.
If a real pops off, the hate comments.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like Instagram is like a pretty pink bubble.
Like it's, that's, it's a niche.
Like if you have followers,
they are specifically there for you.
And they appreciate what you post.
That's all.
Like literally.
But Facebook and TikTok.
But Wild West.
Facebook and TikTok outlaws.. Facebook and TikTok outlaws.
They're all fucking outlaws, these motherfuckers.
Crazy.
All right, so maybe we'll read one at a time.
You guys want to kick it off?
Yeah, are we explaining what they're commenting under
or just reading the comments?
I'll try to remember, but yeah.
Yeah.
I have one pulled up.
So this was, had 1.1 million views with Bunny.
It's this one.
Oh, God.
Oh, Jesus. This was had 1.1 million views with bunny. It's this one. Oh god. Oh Jesus
Beautiful and clear using the roach pussy. Oh the road
Pussy. Oh, I don't hear a different clearly a voice over right?
So we're not saying that whatever it's funny. Okay
Hold on
We got, it's called lots of Botox and other shit
with 20 pounds of makeup with a filter.
No filter, by the way.
So that's a compliment.
That's someone's go-to is like, oh, it's a filter.
So much media bo-
Yeah, don't care.
I don't even respond back to these type of people.
It makes the news go up.
Well, I get in trouble all the time.
I feel like people can insult you,
but the minute you reply back and tell them
they look like ramen head, then they-
I got literally banned from my Facebook for 30 days
for some fucking dude commenting, some old man.
And I said, Dan, your hair looks like ramen noodles.
And got fucking-
She got banned.
Got banned.
What?
Yes.
Oh, I gotta ease up then.
Yeah.
I normally just say their name.
Sometimes I send a picture of them back to them.
I hate that.
I do that.
That's my favorite.
That's my go-to.
Oh, someone called us fugly.
You can get in trouble.
Fugly?
Yeah, said y'all are fugly.
Let's go to their profile.
All right, we were supposed to do one at a time.
You've gone on to three.
They're in a row.
Okay. Got you.
So all right there.
Mimi, you want to go?
All right.
We could do three at a time too, if you want.
No, it's going to blow through mine too quick.
Oh. I couldn't find too many.
Good for you, you cunt.
I don't like to dive deep in those things.
This one, I posted a before and after of my weight loss
because I'm almost at like 60 pounds gone now.
And Chris said the honey boo boo show is back.
So thanks Chris.
And Chris probably looks like a fucking-
I would like to see what Chris looks like.
Chris didn't have a profile picture guys.
I tried.
I was gonna say, Chris probably looks like a human thumb
and smells like hard boiled eggs.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, come on.
These fucking people are just insane to me.
All right. So there, here's one. This is my favorite because this is everybody's go-to.
They feel like it's like such a, like, I'm gonna get them with this one. I got her. So it was a
video of Jay and I with Snoop Dogg, right? This person said jelly hoe and his sideshow
prostitute. Okay. Wow. Good one. They really stuck it to you.
Okay, but he spelled prostitute P R O S T I T you prostitute
to prostitute. I'm a prostitute. Yeah. But my thing is, is
everybody thinks it's so like cutting edge.
They're like, you know, she used to be a hoe, right?
She's a prostitute. What a whore. You're a whore.
And it's just like, bro, do you not?
First of all, before I was even on the internet, I was being called that.
Secondly, why are so many men upset about what I used to do with my vagina because if they had a chance to hit it, they would.
You know what I'm saying?
That part, yeah.
It's like, bro, please, you could sit here
and judge all you want, but knowing damn well
that if any of these girls' videos
that you're commenting negative stuff on,
you would fucking cream your pants
if they were in your presence.
Yep, this one said,
"'Randy decided when I did a before and after
of my green hair to my orange hair
to tell me looking rough, what the heck.
Um, Randy, I looked at your profile
and you don't have all your teeth.
I need you to step back a little bit.
Bro, it's always the one with piano keys for teeth.
He, he's having trouble.
Yeah.
Having trouble, not wanting to talk about teeth. He's having trouble. Yeah. Having trouble.
Not wanting to talk about teeth.
Yeah, not that we're hating on anybody with teeth,
but if you can't, listen,
if you say something rude to somebody on the internet,
because I've gotten this before,
people get so mad at me, they're like,
why are you lowering yourself to their level?
Because I fucking can.
That's the only playing field they wanna be on,
because they can't get to mine.
I'm on such a different frequency,
they can't hear me unless I lower myself to theirs.
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm gonna take the time to smose on down the line, baby.
And guess what?
And if I fucking say something,
you're gonna remember it for the rest of your life.
I told some ladies,
she looked like a fucking Basset hound one day.
Today I have one of my girls here
and I'm so happy to finally sit down with her.
This has been a long time coming
Yeah, she has a great story. I can't wait for you guys to hear it. I can't wait to hear it Danny
Sylvester in the house, baby. Hi everybody. It's nice to be here. I'm so excited. It's
Finally here. It's seriously to you
She was supposed to come on the podcast a couple weeks ago, but I fucking got got the neuro virus for beating some oysters
Oh, it was from oyster. I weeks ago, but I fucking got the neuro virus for being some oysters. Oh, it was oysters.
I'm assuming, but I'm telling you, I've only gotten sick.
I've been eating oysters my whole life.
I've only gotten sick off oysters twice and that neuro virus virus was the second time.
And I didn't know that oysters caused fucking neuro virus until then.
I felt so much better though, because you're like, I've had this.
It's all right. I get it.
And I'm like, how long did it last?
Yeah, I'm like, oh God, it was awful.
It ran through our house.
Our whole entire house had it.
And then unfortunately we gave it to one of our kittens.
Yeah.
And when you told me that I was like, oh,
cause Chachi had been laying with me the whole time.
So I was like, oh my God,
I hope this fucking dog does not ever feel like I did.
Look at her.
She's like, oh.
This is why we tell him we're going to work
because he's literally grown up sitting here.
I know, I love him.
No, he's the best.
I'm a big fan of his.
Aw, he's the best.
I'm so happy that you're here
because I stumbled upon you probably like two years ago
and I was like, who is this beautiful beast?
I was like, she is so gorgeous, but not only that, like, I just love that, you know,
you're married to Tina.
You guys are very, you know, like, hey, this is our-
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Our relationship, this is who we are.
If you don't like us, we don't give a fuck.
You know, because TikTok can be so fucking brutal.
And then I also love the relationship
with your daughter too.
I think it's just amazing.
And so I would like to learn a little bit about you.
Oh, okay. Were you close with your mom? Growing up, I developed this, um, this type
of, I don't know how to really explain it. So my mom was very physically abusive, verbally abusive.
And to all five of you or just you?
All of us, all of us, all of us.
And as a white woman in Maryland having biracial children
and friends like not accepting her
because she has black children and the black community
not accepting her because she's white,
it just was really hard for her.
So I don't think that she knew how to navigate those emotions and feelings.
So she took it out on us.
Mom, I'm sorry if you are hearing this, because I know we are in a better place today.
So this is just I think it paints a picture of the journey, though, also of like the growth.
And we'll get to that point with your mom, too.
But I mean, what happened in the past is when we talk about
how we are today, it's just we're better.
But it took a long time for us to get here.
It's there was a lot of times where social services were called
because we're dirty, we're not fed well.
She was a white woman, didn't know how to take care, you know,
mix children's hair.
So we went to school with our hair nappy.
Sometimes we went to school with cat pee
and cat poop on our clothing.
And it-
Was she always gone because she was working too?
She worked a lot.
It worked a lot.
But whenever social services came,
I feel like I'm like all over the place,
not like tailing in the story, but-
No, you're okay, you're good.
You're painting a picture.
Whenever social services would come,
we would run, we would hide.
And that is where the question of,
did you have like a great relationship
with your mom comes in.
It's like, I don't know if it was a great relationship.
I just knew my loyalty lied to her.
It doesn't matter how often she beat us,
how often she said horrible things to us,
how often we didn't eat.
I still loved my mom. Like in my eyes, she was God to me. She was all you knew. She was all me and my
siblings and my mom were all we knew at that time because the outside world didn't accept us as
often. I mean, they didn't accept us as much as I would like to say that they did. But was there segregation?
Is that the right word in Maryland during that time?
I don't necessarily want to say that was segregation.
I think that was a lack of insight when people's upbringing.
I think that, you know, like we I went to school with white kids, Asians, and black kids,
but being mixed was a different world,
because you didn't know exactly where you fit.
They belonged.
The black kids knew exactly who they were, their upbringing,
how to do their hair, how to dress, how to speak.
White kids knew exactly what to do in the same, same elements.
But when it came to me, I was like, okay, I have a single white mom raising me the best
that she can. And I lack this part of my identity. And it was hard.
Did you ever get to meet your dad? did you know your dad? So I did get to meet my dad a few times
and when I was younger
and every time I interacted with him, it was just chaotic.
My mom has told us horrible stories about my dad
and then when we met him, we were terrified.
We were scared. We were like, oh my God, he's going to kill us.
He's going to beat the shit out of you.
We were told at one point that my dad tried to assassinate us.
And that's why we left or she moved.
And it was very chaotic.
And then-
It's just hurtful for parents to lay that
on their kids' shoulders at such a young age.
And that is why I am the parent that I am
when it comes to talking shit about my child's father.
Yeah.
I nail that I'm a little older.
I mean, she's a little older.
We can have honest conversations because she's dealing with the adult version of him.
Right.
But growing up, I did not tell her shit.