Dumb Blonde - Season 9: Best of (Part 5)

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

In this “Best of Season 9,” DJ Paul recalls the $34 dice game that changed his life after growing up around drug dealers. Danielle Sylvester shares her journey from Burger King to the strip club and reconnecting with her biological family. Dr. Cordovez reflects on her move from Panama to the U.S. and the unforgettable moment of treating her first patient. Brothers Osborne talk about staying true to their sound, winning a Grammy for “Younger Me,” and building a devoted fan base. Roseanne Barr opens up about OCD and childhood struggles, while Wiz Khalifa discusses growing up in a military family and the cultural experiences that shaped him. The gals wrap up with heartfelt reflections on the show’s growth and keeping connections genuine.Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Podcasts me of the coolest kids Barney is this thing on so i wanted to kind of bring my listeners on a journey with you because you have so much lore to you um and i wanted to kind of you know take it back to your childhood in memphis growing up you know tell me what that was like i know you've told this story a million times but i know there's a bunch of listeners that probably are just getting to know you from my podcast i really just want to paint that picture of where you came from to where you are now um growing up in Memphis take me on that ride because it was in the 80s and 90s right yeah yeah I grew up in

the 80s and 90s and um the 80s and um the 80s and um the 80s and um I was the best I was born in 80 so I mean there's nothing that compares from 80 to the 2000s dude yeah it's the best man you know like that's the best time like um I was just talking about this to my friend a couple of days ago like I like watching these watching these movies or looking at these pictures of all of the, you know, not to, and some people look at this and be like, oh, why is he glamorizing, you know, drug dealers and this and that? But it's not about, that's how you grew up. It's not about the drug dealers. It's just about the whole swag of that in the 80s, like when you watch the paid and full movie. Yeah. You see the troop jackets and the eight ball

jacket. You remember the eight ball jackets? Dude, all of it. Yes. The, you know, the kangos. The ambiance of that generation was just insane. Yeah, and the old 500 Mercedes with the skirts on it. Yes, yes. AMG wheels. I mean, a lot of this stuff is still around and happening today. They just don't know it. But it's modernized.

It's modernized. Modernized. So like, you know, like these Louis Vuitton and Gucci Bay, it was the same designs back then. Yeah. So, you know, like I grew up in that, my brother was a big drug dealer. He went to federal prison. How many brothers and sisters do you have? I can't find an answer on that when I googled that.

Yeah, I'm still looking for that answer myself, actually. Okay, gotcha. I love it, though. Yeah, a lot. I got six-ish brothers. Because my mom and my dad, they had, you know, kids, you know, separately. But I got around six, seven brothers and, you know, four sisters-ish-ish. but um

you're going to have a bunch of people reaching out to you after this interview hey I'm your brother I'm your sister yeah yeah once that I noticed my brother's sister like no motherfucker you got this men brothers

so you know I grew up in that world I grew up in that world my brother was you know in that world and you know all his friends so I was a kid you know looking at all that

I'm looking at new Mercedes pull up new Corvettes pull up to the house and this and that I'm just like man And then I went to school down the street from this house of these big drug dealers in Memphis, like the most popular drug dealers in Memphis history, had a house on the exact street that my junior high school was at.

So you grew up around hustling. Yeah. Like you just saw it from the gate. Yeah, every day. Every day I saw just a driveway full of Corvettes and Mercedes and this and that, you know, not in my parents' house, but like my brother's house and the house is in the neighborhood. All these guys was in my neighborhood.

What's one of the wildest things you saw growing up in Memphis during that time? As a child. Did I saw or heard about? That like left an imprint on you, something that left an imprint on you. Oh, this guy, this guy got killed for $34 in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, a, in a, upstreet from my auntie house. No, 34. That right there, that, that, that right there, let me know that people would do anything for anything. Wow. What a life lesson to take with you as a young child. Yeah, I didn't physically

see it. I was there. It happened up the street. You know, my family members started running and this and that and people was running all there. And I was like, what happened? It was like, you know, got it just got. But they're having a lot in the 80s, you know, people get killed over dice games, man. That's a lot of people dead over a dice game. Yeah. No, all the boys because you walk around. You can walk around these two little fucking cubes in your pocket. That would be your men for the day if you knew how to play. Yeah, absolutely. I grew up in Vegas. So everybody had dice in their hands, all the boys. I always had dice, man.

If you ain't got nothing, you could make you a few dollars off dice. Yeah. So that dude, they killed that dude over $34. He probably looked, and man, back then, shit, a fucking, a combo meal was like $4. Yeah. So he had, man, he had about a week's worth of food he lost right there. Oh, man.

Sad. That is sad. I hate that. So, that was that right there set it for, that set the tone for me. How close were you with your brothers and sisters growing up? Super close. All of them? Yeah, I was living in, I was the youngest.

When I was born, it was only two brothers still living in the house. But my sister lived next door. All of us kind of lived in the same neighborhood. So you're the baby? Yeah, I'm the youngest. Aw, I never knew that about you. Yeah, I'm the baby. I love that.

The youngest is in charge. Yes. Special ed. What was your relationship with your mom? Because I know you've touched based on that a couple times. Yeah, it was real good. It was real good. You know, I live with my mom's young mom.

I was, I lived with my mom all the way up to the point. We recorded our old 36-Mopjeal albums in my mom's house. Wow. Yeah, not all of them, but like, all of the underground stuff was recorded in my mom's house. So everybody met my mom. Even some guys who I'm not cool with, who was never even a part of our group. Right.

Been in my house at least probably one time recording and met my mom. Everybody met my mom. My mom was super cool. My mom had a super close relationship. And my dad had, when my dad passed away, I bought my mom a house. How old were you when your father passed? Probably like 30-something. Oh, okay.

So it was when you were older. Yeah. It wasn't when you were a child. Okay. Yeah, both of them passed. I was in my 30s. Now, my dad and my 20s, my mom. my 30s. Right. Yeah. Was mom always supportive of your choice in doing music? Oh, yeah. Yeah,

she loved it. My mom used to take me to the organ lessons. I played, I took organ lessons. Aw, I love that. Can you still play? Yeah, of course. I still play on all out, all of my music. Where did your inspiration and your drive to want to do music come from? Um, I, I, so we was the only, my daddy owned a company. So, Even though we lived in a bad neighborhood, we was one of the people who had the better house in the bad neighborhood. Right. So, like, we was the ones when you riding through the bad neighborhood and you see where they built on the back of the house, that happened all the time in the hood. Yeah, yeah.

Like, instead of buying a big house, they just built on their back of the house. Yes. Shit didn't even match. It would be a different color, different material. Front of the house would be brick. The back over will be wood. Whatever. I lived in one of those houses.

Right. And my daddy built on, like, an extra few bedrooms. and a whole other den in the back for my brothers. So we had cable when cable first came out. You know, we had cable. So I would be sitting on the floor like this close to the TV watching MTV when they first came out. I remember when MTV first came out. I wish they would bring MTV back.

It's just the nostalgia alone. Yeah. Yeah, but if they bring it back, they should just play old shit. Not an old shit. Yeah. I feel like there's no, we'll get to that later, but yeah, for sure. The music nowadays is just, it's not like it used to be. Yeah, it's some good music out, but, you know, it's just, it's different.

Yeah, we're getting to that. It's never, never going to compare. But I was planning in front of the TV watching MTV, you know, watching all these guys. I grew up on rock music, and I think that's what contributes to making the Three Sixth Mafia sound and the, excuse me, the rowdiness and the wild. loudness like tear the club up hit a motherfucker and stuff like that it's it came from me growing up on rock music what was like your favorite rock band growing up what were like van halen yes that's the first cd i ever stole was a van halen and got caught was stealing a van halen CD yeah i just bought a eddie van he vh guitar oh don't i got at the house now i got to hang up i got a huge guitar collection

but that was you know jump was one of my favorite songs of still is one of my favorite songs of all time. The guitars and that is insane. Yeah, in the sense. And the synthesizers, yeah. The synthesizers. Because a lot of these rockers back in the day, they didn't have keyboard players. They just relied on guitars and drums, but I liked when they added, you know, some keys in there. Yeah, because I'm a keyboard player. Yes. So that was, that was dope on the end. We had the most beautiful time. We went and swam with freaking manor rays. Yeah. The amount of people who were like, How the fuck did you do that? And I'm like, when you get there, it takes all the fear away.

I don't know how to explain it. No, I literally, when I saw everyone out there in the lights in the water, I was like, I can do this. It took me a second to jump off the boat. So on the way up there, everybody's quiet. Nobody's fucking saying a word. We're just all looking at stars. We are in the middle of the ocean in the middle of the night. And we're just like, I don't know if you've ever been out on the ocean at nighttime.

it is fucking scary it is so eerie it is the blackest of black out there it's crazy but once we pulled up to they have this roped off little area that isn't far from shore which is crazy we all thought we were going in the middle of the ocean yeah they said 30 minutes and we all said into darkness yeah yeah and they tricked me so i had told everybody listen i'm not going to go on this if we only go 10 or 15 minutes out i'll do that but i'm not doing the 30 to 45 50 minutes minutes later, 50 minutes later, we are literally get to the destination. I'm like clocking it on my phone the whole time. I'm looking at me. She did. How much longer? Yeah. She goes, it's already been 28. Yeah. Like, I was so bothered. But when we pulled up, the scene was so beautiful. Yeah. There was boats everywhere. And there was like neon lights under the water. And you could see these huge, beautiful creatures. They were just so happy to show off and be around humans. Like, can see why Moana's grandma literally became one of those.

Like they were so cute and I told me they're huge. I told me me I go wait watch when we get the water our energy is going to attract them. They're going to come to us and the minute we got in that water dude I look down there's ours there are two of them just coming like one of them touched Andy he got the worst footage. Love you Andy. Andy was in the worst spot Andy was literally squealing

and taking he was like trying to drown me because he's taking the raft that I'm holding on to and trying to put his body on top of it. His feet are like coming up out of the water and I literally kept saying Andy hand me the fucking camera because he's like and Jay Jay's over there fucking laughing his ass off like a maniac

he's like, he just touched me! He was like just a little kid. It was kind of scary at times. But his legs were so white I was scared to be by Jay because I kept thinking that it was a fucking manoray coming up because his fucking legs are to the water one time and all I saw were two white legs just fucking man listen I love my husband he's a fucking different shade of white dude it is crazy I lifted my head up he's translucent okay that's what

was attracting them literally it wasn't us it was his legs they were like I look up to tell Haley and bunny across from me hey there's one coming and I put my face back in and at that moment it was right there it just like skimmed my face yeah it's so close they did terrifying yeah no it was so spiritual though yeah like to be in the in fucking meat monster soup isn't that what they call the ocean monster soup to be in monster soup and watch

these animals come up they have this face that smiles at you and a vagina oh I didn't see the vagina bro the monopoos the monopus was real no I'm pretty sure it's in one of the videos like when it came up that thing was that big why

slit right now I mean that they shit out little pups. Oh. Is that their butthole and puss? It looked, I mean, we need to study the manoray DNA.

I didn't see it. I was too fucking focused on their big ass mouths they keep open to. The mouths were terrifying. Yeah. I was like, am I going to go in there?

Yeah. Scooping up the plankton and that's what those lights do, which I didn't know. So those lights attract plankton which then attract the manorays which, by the way, we called them manatees

for the good first hour of this. I still think they're manatees. We thought that's what it was. Manorais and then they scoop up all the plank. They're kind of like whales. Whales just open their mouths and scoop it up. What if they would have gotten like Andy's foot? Oh, I would have cried laughing for the rest of my life.

Of all people, if Andy's foot had inserted a manoray and it would have taken him down. Oh my, okay. This is, you overcooked it. Weaved so hard there. So back to this accident though. So what happened? like somebody just cut you guys off and smashed into you because this looks really freaking serious um a semi is semi is semi is semi is it was a pen ski truck and yeah is this is that was my

dream car I love her that's for gina george is I love that is um is this in a lawsuit are you guys you know suing over this okay yeah um it's been two years now yeah and i can't believe that was two years like, do you miss her? I do miss her. Well, I'm glad you guys are safe. What happened? What injuries did you get from this? My face was insane.

Yeah. Can we pull up a picture of her face? It's on your Snapchat right now. Yeah, but it's probably on there. You type in face. Oh, I like that it came up when you, oh yeah, look at that. It was like that for a while, too. I, right here, they never said that if it was broken or not, but they thought my cheekbone was broken.

but I had like this weird dent for like the longest time in my face like when I would smile and sometimes it actually still hurts but my face was like mainly the issue like I was bruised and everything all over but then Caden like really messed up his elbow and had stitches and stuff yeah but it definitely could have been a lot worse way worse right especially getting hit by a Penske truck that's crazy yeah they were like you guys should have been dead wow definitely should have but then there's of course people that I was drinking and driving but obviously I would have been arrested yeah Kaden was definitely hammered yeah but he wasn't driving oh I started watching tell me lie tell me lies what is that I don't know

it's uh it's steamy it's kind of steamy um I'm only on like episode three I love a good steamboat you would like it it's kind it's kind of steamy and then I also watch school spirits I don't know if you watch that fire it was on Netflix but the full thing is on Hulu it's basically about this girl that died and when you die like your body your body I guess your soul stays where you died so like they're in a school so then she all of a sudden is seeing other people that had died in the school but they'll be from like the 60s or the 70s so they're like dressed how they died the day they died and they're all from like different eras and stuff and they're all still like trapped in the school and like you can't

leave the school grounds basically yeah it's a it's a really cool thing I would hate to be like that's terrible yeah and you're just like in that you're stuck until you finally cross over you have to like do something to realize how you can cross over and stuff but it gets like it gets good i feel like you would like it's like ground hogs day i can't tell if i tell something so they're stuck in they're stuck in purgatory basically yeah wow yeah hell on earth hell on earth is what they call it yeah yeah that's crazy maybe i'll look into it what about you i watched the lorax the other day oh okay All right.

Okay, mom. Kids. Yeah. But I did introduce my kids to King of the Hill last night. Oh, good. Dude, get them watching Family Guy. Roger, if I could be a freaking cartoon character, I am Roger from American Dad. Yeah.

Get them watching American Dad. I mean, not Family Guy. They put like literally episode, season one, episode one, King of the Hill on. Classic. I think it's Netflix or it's Disney. One of the two, I think it's Disney. And I saw it and I like turned it on. And my kids were so, it was really.

funny. They were like all over the place last night. We're just trying to get him to chill out. Tell me why both my kids chilled the hell out Tucson King of the Hell. I mean, just kick back. Cash is like shirtless. Try American Dad too, please. Yeah. Have you ever watched American Dad? Have you ever watched American Dad? Yeah, I've seen every episode. Am I

not Roger? Yes. A thousand percent. The little wigs that he could literally. Every character, like if I can just be just be like how he is. Oh, bro. Totally. Oh, family guy. I'm a very adult cartoon person.

That's like my thing. Yeah. And so the American dad, the, um, family guy, all of that. Yeah. Simpsons. Oh yeah. I never thought. I grew up on Simpsons.

I did. Jay loves the Simpsons. That's all he used to watch when we first got together. I'd be like, that and family guy. Yeah. I remember. I can't watch family guy anymore. So I don't love it either.

Like I, I like it. I don't know. I can't watch it for personal reasons. I did love like Futurama. You guys remember? Oh, yeah. Rick and Morty Richard Ramah Rick and Morty also like I love

Bob's burgers I do love Bob's burgers I love Bob's burgers such a good yeah yeah love it she's Louise so funny I can see it she's like I identify as Louise I can see it yeah literally and they were always like Danielle what do you want to do when you get older I'm like I'm gonna be an actress or I want to be a strepper let's put this in there before like I get it I have you heard the intro of my podcast I literally say as a child I just wanted to grow up and be hot yeah like that's all I wanted to I knew I could make money being hot somehow we all want to be hot yeah like we all was that we grew up in the generation of playboy and penthouse and you know hustler for some people

and it's just like usler yeah for some people listen listen we can't we can't yuck anybody's yum but you know playboy and penthouse we grew up in an era where like glamour like guest models, Victoria's Secret models were like super models not fucking influencers. They're not taking a dig, but I'm just talking like it was a completely different time. Adriana Lima's, the Anna Nicole's

the fucking, well who's the girl from Guns and Roses, his ex-Sephanie Seymour. Like, beautiful, right? Beautiful. We were surrounded by nothing but fucking hotness. Beautiful. Beautiful. Sexy, unique-looking women. Everybody looks the same. Like we all look

yeah no i think you're beautiful i think you're beautiful Tina has to say those things Tina you're just so beautiful i can't wait until Tina gets up here she's a star no we love Tina I fucking love her we love Tina I mean so I'm trying to

argue with her and it's like so the stripping grew up around beautiful women watching beautiful women she's so Bailey so Bailey she's so Gemini I love it but luckily I have I speak fluent Gemini so I get it thank you sorry I will reel you back in baby sorry I need that I need to reel me back in because I'm like I love it though so I was working at Burger King when I first got to Philadelphia because Crystal his sister was making me work which obviously you need to work if you're staying up in my house

you're a little kid you need to work you need some kind of structure she couldn't put me to school whatever um and my manager was doing this little ignorant ass thing he was um watching me put onion rings in the onion ring box wrong and he had everybody in the back of the kitchen looking at me doing it wrong and then when he confronted me he confronted me in front of everybody and i was like no fuck you i don't need this bullshit you should have told me in private you should have corrected me when you see me do it and i'm crying And I left and I was like, you know what, Sean? Like, I think I want to dance.

I want to, I want a strip. I was like, oh, yeah, I can put you onto the rum keg. Like, I know a couple people my niece. So he put me onto his knees, went into the strip club, and that was it. So they hired you at 16 or did you lie about your age? No, I didn't lie about shit. And they still hired you. They didn't even ask me my age.

Crazy. Never asked me. And if, and I know there's. It's such a different era. Because there's a lot of people that know about the rum keg in west philly and i think we all were at some point in time under the age was it totally nude or just topless it was no it was you didn't take any of your clothes off wow it was just like five dollar lap dances around the bar with clothes on with with your little little like lingerie yeah

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talking about the show because I got it. That too, if you want to talk about the show. I always talk to Chris Calico and I always said, when I accidentally tell a joke on stage and everybody laughs, it feels so good. I was like, maybe I should write some jokes. I said, I can't fucking do that. You know what I said? I can't beat down and write the joke and I can do it. I can do what the fuck I want to, but I never fucking done it. You know what I'm saying?

I think you could be a comedian. And it's like when I come out on stage, what I love so much is that when I walk out everybody's scream, everybody's smiling at me. It's the best fucking feeling. That's why when you see me rapping like Midwest Choppers and shit, I'm smiling behind the mic. Like, because everybody's fucking smiling at me, and it's just a beautiful feeling. But when I say something funny, and the whole, you hear the crowd, I'm like, that shit is crazy. Now I know Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart and all these people, Kat Williams, all these great people, Bill Burr.

You know, I see George Carlin, crazy, you know what I'm saying? But it's like Richard Pryor, all of them. I see what they're talking about to make people. laugh, smiling is great, but to laugh. Yeah. As Jelly, if he ever said something on stage and everybody laughed, it's a feeling. He thinks he wants to be a comedian right now. That's all he hangs out with his comedians.

But I think it's because you guys have made people cry your entire careers with how deep your music is. What was me of music? We specialize in, yes. That now you're getting a different response and it's kind of like a high for you because it's something new. So if that was my last show and walking out, I'm like, damn, it's over. I never fucking wrote a joke.

I love that. I really love that. But would you ever pursue a career in comedy? No, no, no, no. Because I write music so well, you know, I'm not that funny. But I'm the kind of motherfucker that gets on the elevator. And, you know, when you get it, when you put yourself in a box with strangers, it's weird. That's why everybody looks at the numbers, you know, as they going down, they just watch that or going their phone.

Because it's weird being in a box with strangers. Right. Especially with this stranger, strange music, you know what I'm saying, in the cabbo. So when I get on the elevator, I'm the kind of mother who I'm going to get on and say, okay, if I'm on a floor like five, and I was like, I was going to tell a joke, but by the time I'm done with this long-ass joke, we'll be down at 4-1. Everybody will still laugh, you know, in the elevator that breaks the monotony. Right.

I do it all the time. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I used to study like Roddy Dangerfield, like, take my wife, and everybody would laugh. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, the OGs of the comedy world. Yeah, it's like one-liners, you know what I'm saying?

I think you could do it. I think if you put your mind to it, you could actually. I'm sure. I could do anything. Your delivery is so funny. Mentally, I can do whatever the fuck. I'll break down barriers. I've done it in my whole career.

Yeah, absolutely. But I never fucking took the time to write some jokes in between my songs like I always said I was going to do. Do it. Now you got to do it. Now you've got to do it. Now they're going to expect it. And then you'll have fans like, I didn't fucking come and pay for a goddamn comedy. show tech it was funny but fuck that

rap motherfucker no i don't think so i think as long as you're wrapping in between the jokes everybody's going to have the best of both worlds you know i don't know and so he didn't know that i even existed until he saw some papers about me having been adopted and that was how he found out that she had had an affair and gotten pregnant oh my goodness um so he was like i got to tell dad And I was like, do you think she knew? Like, does she know you've been looking for me? Like, what does she feel about it?

Like, can we go ask her? Like, we need to, like, tell her. Yeah, like, where's mom in this scenario? And he informed me that she had passed away about four years before that. So I didn't get to meet her. And I think that was probably one of the darkest days of my life so far that I've experienced. was finding out that she had passed away. So to answer your question about my biological family, it's a long story, but so yes, my bio family

did find me, but I've met my birth father and was not able to meet my mom. Well, I want you to know that your feelings are valid. I can see you pushing them back, you know, and I just want you to know that that was as sad of a story as it is. This is part of your journey, and this is what makes you. you who you are and I know sometimes we don't understand why things happen to us but in the long run you're going to look back and be like okay god I see what you were doing there yeah as hurtful as it is yeah so sorry thank you it's a it's a crazy story that I that I didn't even know and I appreciate

you for sharing that here because that's that was really a beautiful you know testament of who you are thank you I couldn't imagine how you felt that day you know finding out all of that and then you know, finding out that you have this whole other family over there. Do they at least embrace you now and do you have a relationship with them now? My brother is like one of my favorite people on the planet. He sounds awesome. And my little nephews, yeah, he's great. You know, I, when I was like 17 and I reached out to who we thought was my dad and in our conversation I had mentioned like, so like who do you dance or do you sing? Like, I, you know, I love singing dancing.

This is, like, my passion. Like, is there anyone that, like, where does that come from? And he said, no, no, like, none of us are really, like, into that. So, like, I don't know. You just must have a gift. And finding my bio, my bio brother and my dad, they're so musical. And my dad was a rapper in the 90s in Atlanta in a rap boy group and was doing a musical theater. Yeah, I mean, wait, what?

Can we know what group he was in? I don't know what it was called, but he says his rap name was Quayo. Okay. And then he was manned, a little group. Cuevo without the V? Exactly. Quoio in the 90s. And my brother like shreds on guitar and is like a great singer.

Like it was just so funny how meeting my biological family was like. Just makes sense. Oh, yeah. And I never had this like an urge to meet the person who I had thought was my dad. But as soon as my brother contacted me, even being my. half brother and not knowing he was my full brother there was just like an indescribable magnetism that I feel like immediately I said I need to go and near him yeah yeah really interesting and I've never had that growing up in a family that's not biologically connected is I'm starting to realize

is very different from from families who grew up together that are biologically connected yeah it's just something you can't explain I remember first I don't meet my real mother until I was late in my 30s and when I met her and I saw like her mannerisms and just even down to her anxiety I was like how am I so much like you and I've never even been around you like it was the craziest thing for me so I could only imagine how you were feeling yeah I think I always too I always believed in in nurture versus nature just because I didn't have anything else to compare it too I always thought my adoptive dad is like an angel of a man and I love him so much he's the sweetest human being and just like an angel of a human being we don't literally don't deserve him um and I always thought

like I want to be like my dad and I I feel like there's so many things that we have in common and we love the same music and he taught me to like love disco and and jazz and I always thought I'm just like him. Like, there's so much we have in common. And then meeting my brother and my biological father, I'm like, there's no comparison. And when we're on the phone and my brother, because you sound just like mom. Like, you sound just like your mom. And it's so weird.

And you don't realize until DNA is a motherfucker. It's crazy. And I feel crazy when I say it too, because I'm so amazed by it because of my life. But I'm like, y'all people. who've been in like full biological families can't even understand how cool that is it topped the fucking family guy and fucking shit stain yeah

you know yeah so now we need you to go out now we need you to find a douchebag at Good Night Nashville did you just my ex my ex and that's head of security he's been posted on are we dating the same guy Nashville twice now

three times actually no three and um it's different girls saying i'm talking to this man in et whatever and people are like yeah he has a girlfriend for over a month that he lives with like a picture of him in goodnight nashville like as security lives with and so he's talking to multiple girls while he has a girlfriend while he was texting me and saying he missed me all this stuff calling me his mom missed me blah blah it started stopping and then I was like he's talking to someone because I know when you stop talking to me you're talking to someone else and I saw him at Good Night Nashville and one of the managers said oh yeah that's his girlfriend across the bar he walks in sees me goes to the other side to his girlfriend and then comes over to me doesn't hug me just sits right next me and I was like hello and he was just like hey and it was just like so weird I was like okay like It was just awkward.

I'm so thankful to not be single in these times. It's rough. Golly, man. You guys talk at the shit you guys have to go through you. I could never. I'd be so single. So I, Jay comes and sits outside with the cows with me now. Like, that's our new thing where we catch up with each other.

And he came and sat down the other day and we were talking about the most situation. And I was like, baby, I love you. I said, but I tell everybody. If you and I don't work out, there's nobody else that I'm going to be with. Like, there's, I just can't. He's like, I would hate to have to learn somebody else's trauma and have to learn how to treat them. I was like, there's no way. I'm like, you got family trauma?

Don't give a fuck. Don't tell me. Don't care. Don't care. We're here to have fun, guys. You know, like, I just told them. And so we looked at each other and then we're like, this is why we just have to stick it out because it's rough. It's fucking rough on the streets.

Hard out here for a pimp. I saw him again a few nights after. I'm completely ignored. When they can't ask some cash money is brand. I'm waiting to see them up. are we dating the same guy in Tampa because I'm on that to see I like my friends post him

you should post him anonymously to see if any other girls come forward Oh my God in what thread And they're like are yeah the Florida are we dating the same guy? Oh yes every city has one Every city town has one every city Are you serious? Yes

Somebody post J in there Do it I will I will. Just for shits and giggles, though. I will. Just for shits and giggles. Anyone know this guy?

Yeah. We've been seen him for a little bit. We've been talking on Facebook for like like, we'll kill whoever. I would love to see the comments on it. Do you want me to? Yes, do it.

I think it's a fake profile. Not because I think anybody's going to say anything because I don't, but I just think it would be funny to see the fucking. What picture am I going to use? Do you have one that's like not a professional? Like just like around the house type? I have videos. We don't take pictures like that.

They just Google one. Yeah, just Google one. Give it a goog, babe. Or take a, take a still off of a video. But yeah, Mo, definitely put him in one of those. I'm going to like things in post-in-honestly. That's a great idea. Yeah, that's great.

We got to update this. You guys, this is the first picture that pops up, by the way. What is it? Oh, a jelly roll. Got it. Oh, a real jelly roll. Just letting you know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, you have to put jelly roll together. It's jelly roll. Yeah, it's not two words. It's not two words. J-roll totem pole. I think the art of writing music is so poetic. Like, it's crazy how songs come about. And, like, what is, what would you say that your process is in the studio for writing music?

Do you have, like, a ritual that you perform before? I definitely need wine. That's, it needs a wine. Yeah. It gets the emotions slamming. Gets the juices, the creative juices going. Yeah. What's your favorite wine?

I love Saint-Saire's. Like, I love a good French wine. Is it white or red? It's white, but I like a red when I, I'm like trying to chill but I don't like red there's nothing sexy about red wine your teeth get gray right I can't do it you like champagne do like champagne I do I do I used I saw you know I'm sober now I didn't know that yeah girl I've been sober thank you I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine and then 2018 off alcohol wow yeah but before I was a great time you got to experience that

well congrats that's that's hard it's it is it is till it's not And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey, but you got to really get real with yourself. All the shit that you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that. When you don't have anything in your system, that shit hits you full force. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking.

Sometimes it gets, here's the thing, too, is like, it's everywhere, you know, when you're touring, when, you know, free, free, free, you know. And then getting on stage, you're like, I need something. Yeah. I need something before I. So that's a hard thing to kind of deal with. But that's your process. And when you're ready. And sobriety isn't for everybody.

Right. You know, like I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself and like disrupting your everyday life with it, I think that, you know. That's amazing. Congrats. Let's circle back though. I heard you say that your father was bipolar. it was. What was your relationship with your parents like? My relationship with my dad was not good. It had never been good. He, you know, I was two years old, so I don't remember this, but he had a nervous breakdown when I was two years old before he was diagnosed as bipolar. And, you know, from what my mom has told me and my older brother can remember, it was a really bad time. He was very, very manic and had some very intense episodes. And he was hospitalized from, a number of weeks. So there's an attachment break right there, right? Like as a two-year-old and key

attachment years are really from zero to five. And so there was this big stressor in my family where he was hospitalized for a number of weeks. And my mom was just trying to, you know, work part-time dental hygiene and take care of these two kids. And we really didn't have very much money. And I think when he came home, he was very heavily medicated. And he was then heavily medicated for many, many, many things throughout his life. And so he was not a very functional person. He wasn't really able to hold a job or keep a job. And that was a lot of instability in my childhood.

And I think I had a lot of anger and resentment over kind of like, why can't you get it together to provide for the family? Because you just never knew. You know, you never knew when you were going to get off the bus and come home and dad lost another job, right? Or, you know, well, and you have to quit dance lessons or you have to you know, we, we got to sell stuff or we got to do whatever. So there was a lot of financial instability. And then there was just, he brought a lot of emotional instability. Yeah.

My mom is who I would classify an attachment as more of a dismissive avoidance. So she was more of like stoic, emotionally unavailable. But very, very loving, very, would do any acts of service, right? She was, she was always around, very instrumentally supportive. But she didn't really know how to navigate the distress and the emotions of my dad's nervous breakdown and how to explain it to us or how to deal with it. And so my mom's just kind of like a push through, soldier through type of person. And my dad was very opposite. It was very, you know, he could be okay. You could walk in the room and it was high. How are you doing? How was your day? Everything's good. Or, you know, you left your shoes out and I tripped over him. So I chucked him out into the yard and I'm going to

scream at you, right? Or it was very hard to have friends over because I was always really embarrassed because I never knew if my dad was going to lose his temper or had a walk on eggshells. Yeah, it was very much a walk on eggshells type of situation. And just looking back into my childhood, I think every girl wants to have like the superhero dad, the dad that has it together, the dad that is can be relied upon, the dad that's going to cuddle you and say, you're the prettiest, most wonderful little princess and I'll always protect you. Well, they're our first loves. Yeah.

They really are. And I just didn't have that. You know, I just had a dad that I saw made my mom so miserable. Yeah. Brought so much instability to our family. And I had a lot of anger for so many years. And it wasn't until he passed away two years ago. It wasn't until really I saw him on his deathbed that just, I had forgiven him,

but I had to see him at that weak point. bless you sorry no you're fine um i had to see him at that weak point you know on his deathbed to really say okay i can let it go you know i can let that go because my childhood there were so many great things about it you know i was loved and um i had my basic needs met and there are so many people that had it much worse than i did but i say the same thing but your your feelings are still valid and you know your your your story is your story so what's super traumatic to somebody else might not be as traumatic to another person, but that doesn't mean that you weren't traumatized. Have you ever felt, and you know, people are knowing who you are,

they're knowing your name. Have you ever felt trapped inside the image of Flava Flav? Like, it's not you? Or do you feel like Flav of Flav is true to who you are as? I never got, I never felt like I got trapped in the image of him at all because it's, it's an image that I created. And Flavor Flav is a street character based off of my. real street life. Right. So I never, and this is a character that I brought to life, but I never really got trapped inside of him because I always knew who I was deep down inside and I'm the one that

created that character. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. So being in the music industry, you're around a lot of people who are shady. Have you ever encountered like some really big snake. in the music industry, and if so, can you name who they are? I've crossed some and I've seen some, but one thing about flavor, if you guys would know about me, I never have nothing real negative to say about anyone.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mind my business. I always mind my business and everyone else minds mine. Yeah. Like that. You know what I'm saying? So you'll never really hear me talking negative about anybody or, you know what I'm saying?

All of the negative people that I've crossed, all of the negativity that I've ever seen and never spoke about, I always kept to myself. You know what I'm saying? It's a very G of you. And if anybody ever talked bad about me, that was their choice. But I never talked bad about anybody. I'm not here. So, yeah, but I witnessed some stuff.

I witnessed a lot of shady people, and I witnessed a lot of shady things. So after Nation of Millions went crazy, berserk, you guys shot a video where people were really getting high in the video. How did you guys manage to pull this off? Wait, which one was that? There's a video, it's at my notes that after Nations, it's a song from Nations of Millions album, that you guys shot the video, and there was people that were really getting high in the video? Oh, night of the living base heads. Yes. Yes, because back in the days,

when people would smoke crack, they would call that basin. Everybody was basing. Right. You know what I'm saying? So everybody that used crack and drugs was called the basehead. You know what I'm saying? So how did you guys manage to pull that off? So, so, so there were people that was really actually getting high in the video. And the reason why was because we were trying to create the look of reality. You know what I'm saying in the whole nine. And back in those days, we could do that and get away with it today.

Never, you could never. Yeah. Public enemy is known to be like, you know, so political and so like anti-drugs, anti-a-lot-of-things, but you were using drugs during the height of their career.

How did that affect your relationship with the members of the group? But also how did they keep it under wraps Or, like, how did they not manage to get in, you know, get in some sort of scandal with that? Well, see, let me say this, Bunny. That's what made up public enemy. You know what I'm saying? The opposite's attracting.

You heard opposites attract. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So Chuck D, the S1Ws, Professor Griffin, all of them. They were in that political stage, you know what I'm saying? No drugs, no alcohol. no fornication and all of that stuff supposedly you know what I'm saying the whole nine but yet I was the only one in the group that was using drugs you know what I'm saying that was out there

in the streets doing street things and everything you know so so that combination is what made what made up public enemy you know what I'm saying how did it affect the the relationship with me and the members of my group, it was not a good relationship at all. You know what I'm saying? Because all of them were mostly, they were against me. Did they try to help you though? Did they try to help you get help? Not at all. Not at all. They didn't try to help me at all. You know what I'm saying? We just lived going up going ahead to head against each other. You know what I'm saying? in the whole nine, um, um, um, even though, I just want to say even, even though they did portray that type of life, you know what I'm saying? But not everyone lived it. Okay, confession time. I

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your Coachella performance because that actually went viral too. You looked so adorable. Thank you. Body looking fucking snatched, baby. You looked so good. And then you had all these fucking hot dudes lifting you up and like you're singing take me on this journey of your Coachella performance and actually getting invited to perform at Coachella yeah dude it's definitely been like one of my favorite moments of my career I I went through that entire weekend both weekends just feeling so like grateful my mom was there my little brother was there and I think something about having the people that I love the most being there just made it so I don't know I felt very connected to my inner child um but i was also so fucking nervous it was my first time like doing

choreography and i did like cheer stunts on stage which is something i've always wanted to do um but i don't know it was an incredible experience one of my favorites like moments for sure it looked really cool how much practice had to go into that or is that just are you just naturally because i know you did cheer right so is that like something that comes easy for you because my big ass could never get up there and have people lifting me up like that there's no fucking way wait have you ever done stunts? No. They're so fun.

Do I look like I'm built for stunts? I feel like you could do stunts. No way. You're tiny, you're like a tiny, cute little package. There's no way they're flinging my big ass around,

okay? I'm going to get you to do it one day. They're going to need some big ass buff dudes to fucking handle all this, all right? So was there a lot of practice that had to go into that? Yeah, it definitely doesn't come natural to me.

It takes a lot of preparation. I think we did rehearsals for about a week and a half maybe. That's amazing, though, to be able to do like I wouldn't be able to do that I'm not I can't even do a TikTok dance so to learn something that you have to sing and do on stage in a week and a half that's pretty fucking good it was definitely really nerve-wracking I there was a point like midweek when I was learning all the choreography and it was my first time also having dancers so I was like nervous to like learn how to dance in front of people who could dance really well right I was like really anxious about

the whole thing that something about like dancing on stage makes me so I was so like in my head about it um so that was hard and about halfway through the week of rehearsals i was like holy shit i'm like not going to remember this so i went home and started like just drilling it but it was definitely harder than i expected it was going to be well you crushed it and i thought you looked so good thank you i was rooting for you i saw all the videos i was like go jessie go oh thanks funny and then you got to bring coo out which i thought was really cool tell me about you and co's friendship oh dude i love co he's like a brother to me i i've been a fan of his like for a long time my brother listened to him a lot growing up um so he put me on and we like worked like two maybe three years

before high road actually came out i think yeah um so we were just kind of homies and then high road came around and we did that together but it was really funny he came out for cochella and something something happened in our system during the song and the key changed randomly when he like started in the chorus oh no i felt so bad because he was just singing like normally and then the he changed so it looked crazy and then i people couldn't see on the live stream but when i came out with him for stage coach um my mic was off so we were just cursed like the song just kept being fucked up but and then we did it at billy bobs and it was it was fine i feel like you guys have such a lore that comes with that song because i even fucking was like i when you when that song

dropped with your verse first of all it was great and i mean you know it's great and it's like all these fucking co-haters are literally coming out of the woodworks just talking shit to you. And I'm like, bro, it pissed me off so bad that I finally just made a video. I was like, I'm going to fucking beat all of you up. That was really sweet. I really appreciate that. You don't need to thank me for that. But I just, I don't like any sort of bullying, especially gang it up. You're a baby. You know what I'm saying? I know you're 20 and, you know, you can hold your own and stuff like that. But I still look at you and I'm just like, grown ass women, you know, or like picking on you. Yeah. It's like, that's not fucking okay. How did that make you feel whenever you were going

through all of that. Did you internalize any of that? Or were you able to just kind of like separate church from state? I think it always makes me upset at first when something like that happens. That's like a human response, I think. But then it's like, fuck you, dude. It's just so annoying. And it's like, I don't know, it does bother. It bothers me the most when it's women. It really does. I don't know why. Women on women crime is fucked. I don't understand it. It hurts so much more. But yeah, it does hurt my feelings. And I don't know. The guy thing, it's like, you're just a dick but yeah when it's a woman it's like damn but i don't know down well if any of these men got a chance to meet you they wouldn't even know what to say to you it's so crazy i'm like why are you

why are you being such a bitch and it's just it's really tough you know and i don't know because you can't respond to everybody and once you respond to somebody then then other people do it just so like get a response but that was like my first time dealing with like that type of situation because it was so much it was so much it was like a trend because once it like blows up on somebody's page and they're like fuck yeah this is the move but i don't know when it's about a song it's not as bad when it's about like your own person like when somebody is making fun of like you as a person that's different that definitely is harder to deal with i love it so how do you get how do you go to school medical school in panama how does that happen well it wasn't easy okay it wasn't easy um i remember i was a little bit

lost. So, so it was, there was a big event that happened my senior year in college and just didn't have the money to, to re-enroll. And I was kind of rolling around, what am I going to do? I'm never going to get this done. This is going to be horrible. I did that for a while, just trying to find my way. I audited classes while I took the MCATs, and I just kept speeding my wheels. But, somebody I met in Miami when I was 21 years old, which, by the way, is a whole other story. Oh, yeah. Miami back in the days was lit, dude. Oh, my God. It was lit. So good. Somebody in Miami said, why don't you just go to medical school in Panama? And I said, what? Okay. So I found the number. I called and I said, how much does it cost to go to medical school? And they said,

$19. $19 a semester. Seriously? Can I, like, where do I apply? Sign. me up. So, uh, is it the same type of medical school that you would have in the U.S.? It's a little bit harder. Wow. Yes. So it's six years instead of four years. Wow.

And, um, and, um, and two thousand five hundred people, at least the year that I applied, two thousand five hundred people took the psychological aptitude test. And if you pass that, then you could take the, uh, the entrance exam. So two thousand five hundred people applied, one hundred thirty people got. in and 30 of us graduated. So it's no freaking joke. But I applied. I applied. I got in. I moved to Panama. And I lived with a friend. And of course, everybody said, it's not going to work. You're not going to be able to do it. It's, it's, it's, you're wasting your time going there. But I knew that that's what I had to do. And nothing, nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

things distracted me for sure, but nothing could take that. It wasn't okay to do anything else. Yeah. It was just etched in your soul. Etched in my soul. Yeah. So I lived wherever I had to live. Yes. Survival mode. Survival mode for six years and finished. Wow. Yeah. So all six years just trying to make it grueling. and then you finally graduate, what happens after you graduate? Do you just instantly get into a practice? Because I heard you say that you were going to get paid by mangoes. That's what I wanted.

Yeah. That's what mangoes and chickens. Yeah. So. I love that. You're like, I'm a doctor just paying me a mangoes and chicken. Creamies and mangoes. I love that.

Yeah. Not the green ones. The space between my first and second semester of the last year of medical school, I came to visit my mother here. And I met the man who would be my husband. And is your family from Panama? Yes. And then your mom moved here?

Yes. Okay, got you. Yes. My father is still there. I have siblings there, aunts and uncles. I have a brother and sister here. But it was love. And he tried living there.

Didn't work. We moved back. and that lasted 11 years. Oh. Yeah. No, it's great. No, I love that. 11 years is a good run, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good run. Yeah. So was he a doctor, too? No. No, okay. No. So you moved to the U.S.

What was it like doing medicine in Panama and then coming here to do medicine? Was it kind of like a culture shock a little bit? It was a little bit of a culture shock. I was amazed at how much sooner things get taken care of here. So by the time, a patient comes to the doctor in Panama, it is super far gone. Oh, no. Yeah, breast cancers were, yeah, were super advanced.

It's just not a culture where self-care is a priority, maybe because there's just not that, not the availability, not the money. I worked at the public hospital, so it was, it was pretty rough. So when I came here, I thought, girl, that's nothing. Right. I've seen it so many times. Yeah. So, but we also had stuff that you don't see here, right?

So pancreatitis here is usually from alcohol use and pancreatitis there is from a scorpion bite. So, yeah, so I was always just a little off on my, on my diagnostic skills. And we couldn't. Sure, like you've been bit by a scorpion. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, I was off for about six months until I caught on that we had changed

latitudes. Yeah, the tropical diseases that didn't exist here, that was a, that was a switch. And parasites are are so, so common there, not so common here, just big differences like that. But in a third world country, in a system where medicine is taught, Clinically, you have to put your hands on the patient, listen, feel, percuss. You have to figure out what's going on before you order any imaging. So that was incredibly valuable. That was really cool to bring with me. Wow.

Yeah. Before we could order an x-ray, you had to know how high up the fluid was in what lung. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that just made you like precision sharp whenever you got here. Yeah. Yeah.

because you just know what to look for. Yeah. That helps a lot. So take me on this journey of starting your own practice because you said that you worked at St. Thomas, which is actually a great hospital. Anytime I had like heart problems or anything like that, I would always go to St. Thomas and they always did such a great.

When they misdiagnosed me with a freaking brain aneurism last year. Yeah. Yeah. It was wild. St. Thomas is actually, aren't they the ones who the, what is it called, vascular surgeon there? was like, you do not have a brain aneurysm. And then I got a second opinion, too. And he was like,

you do not have a brain aneurysm. And I was just like, oh, my God, thank you. But yeah, St. Thomas is like a prestigious hospital. And what did you do there? So were you like emergency medicine? So I, when I came from Panama, so even if you've done a residency in another country, you have to do another one here. Yikes. So when I came from Panama, I applied to several residencies and and and the one at baptist it used to be baptist st thomas was the was the best fit for me um so i did a residency there and residences are generally july 1st through june 30th at the end of my residency year i didn't feel like i knew enough so i did a chief residency year and and by the time that year was over on june 30th was my last day's chief yeah july first at nine o'clock i was in the

office. Ready to see a patient. So during a residency, you can't have patients or you, or you're under somebody. You're under somebody. So it's the residency, um, the clinic at the with the residence. But once you go from being a resident to being in attending, you get paid three or four times more. Yeah. And not mangoes and chicken. All you. That's right. That's a lot of freaking mangoes. Yeah. You get a lot more mangoes. Um, but it's all you. It's all you. It's all. you can't turn around and go, what do you think this is? Yeah. It's all you.

And I could not wait. So, yeah. I love the tenacity that you have. Yeah. Yeah. It always had to happen, Bunny. Like, it always had to happen. There was no, there was no compromising.

It just had to happen. I love that. Yeah. So when you finally get to see your first patient, what's the diagnosis? What happened? Listen, I still, like, I feel like, if I could look at, that chart up and apologize to him. Oh, no. This is a horrible story. I don't think I should say it. We can always cut it if you want to do. Okay, listen. Because you got to tell it now.

Okay, I got to tell it. Okay, so internal medicine is everything you can't cut out, right? So blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid, anything you can't cut out is what I take care of. So most of my patients are either high blood pressure or diabetes or thyroid. On the, The first day of my, of my first gig, I was seeing other doctors' patients that were being put on my schedule just overflow while I built up my clinic. Notoriously, internists are horrible at rashes. Oh. Yeah. Horrible at rashes.

So the very first patient, bless his sweet soul, was a rash. Oh. And where's the rash? Right. My very first patient with his sweet wife. Oh, no. Came for help with a rash on his, on his glens. And I remember thinking, his glands. It's the, you know, his penis.

Okay. Okay. Gotcha. I thought it was butthole. I instantly went for, I instantly went for butthole. Yeah, yeah. No, I wish it was the butt hole. It would have felt better like with him facing the other way. You know?

I don't got a look at my eye, buddy. I know that he could see it in my face when I went, yeah. And today I have the maturity to say, I don't know. But that day, I just, um,

where does the rock influence come from? Because you guys, for being country, you guys have a pretty rocker. sound also a lot to do with where we grew up like i grew up listening because i grew up guitar became my favorite thing in the world when i was like 12 who taught you the guitar um my dad our dad taught me some chords my cousin johnny taught me how to solo or my uncle bill taught me a little bit it was a bit of everyone they wouldn't let me sit in with the family and sit around the table

unless i would practice and i was good enough to hold my own so if there's a if you want to get me to do anything just tell me that i can't and i won't fucking do it so i would just set in the other We were practicing, practicing, practicing. You can't paint my house. Yeah, yeah. Damn it. And, yeah, I do a lot of things out of spite mostly. But anyway, so I did that.

But I was obsessed with guitar and rock music is just, like, go hand in hand. And we grew up listening to the country. I rebelled against that a bit because it was like what our whole family listened to and my early teenage years. I was like love Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots. That was an iconic time. It was such a new. My first concert was Stone Temple Pilots.

Oh, my God, I fucking love stone the house. I don't think there hasn't really been anything quite like it since. Ever. It was just a complete change. Why do you think that is that we can't recapture that sound? Because now you have to be on TikTok to be famous. Well, I also think, too, because back then there was a lot of counterculture going on, like the 80s produced, obviously some great pop rock music that we all know and love. But there was this counter revolution to that where it became these bands out of like California all the way.

which is where STP is from all the way up to like where Pearl Jam and Nirvana all the way up on the far west coast and they wanted to be the anti that so it became less about the spandex and the big loud pop songs and it became about like the grit and the grunge and i feel like things have kind of become so for lack of a better word a lot more pop in the rock world and it never has really cured itself again of that to get back to where it once was but it was a really pure era. I mean, every band was so unique. I mean, you definitely see that happen in country music now for sure. You see it now in country more than ever. Things got super, super polished and slick and now people are really appreciating things that are raw and real. And, you know, like

your husband for instance, you know, someone that is just themselves. Yeah, unique. It's like being unique should be rewarded. Yes. And it finally is, I think in country music, everyone's wanting each artist to be really special in themselves. And I think that's great. That's when music said it's healthiest. I feel like you guys are kind of the trailblazers for being unique because, you know, maybe, yeah, I don't know. I, no, I definitely feel like that because, you know, you guys came in on the scene and you guys were just, did you, okay, so you guys came in on the scene and you guys were like, you know, pretty like rock country and like you guys were still finding your sound. Did you feel like whenever you guys came on the scene that you

guys had to kind of tone it down a little bit whenever you came into country? No, I mean, it's weird. I mean, I guess, you know, if you were to circle all the way back to just like, again, being from Maryland, I feel like we just always have kind of been in this space of, like Maryland it's not really the north it's not really the south like you know it's just what is it no one seems to really claim it um and so you know I feel like it was kind of that way with us musically I mean we grew up there I didn't really honestly know what genres were for a really long time in my life I just knew the music I liked and I didn't like um and predominantly what I was influenced by and what inspired me were were was country music and rock like particularly classic

stuff and so um you know as we came down here we just started doing our own thing. But I felt like for the longest time, like I, you know, was getting hired in town before we met up as a demo singer. And then people stopped hiring me because they're like, oh, you don't sound like anybody else. Like, you don't, we're trying to pitch this song to Blake Shelton and you don't sound like him. So, and then I was really irritated with myself. Honestly, I felt like, God, I don't have the chops to be able to make money as a demo singer to pitch songs to people. And then it's something at some point in time kind of flipped in me and I realized like well I'm just going to start singing my own music and then it started

there was like a moment even still once we had a record deal and we're out working our music out at radio there was a lot of times because we were we sounded unfamiliar our songs wouldn't test and so then again we were kind of in the same boat of like well we like you guys but we didn't sound like all the people that were hitting really hard and familiar like Luke bryans and and all these people. And so, but again, it was like, do we want to follow kind of what everyone's doing and already winning with? Um, you know, as our, our manager, you know, it's like, you know, it's like the best, if you're not first, the best you can be a second. And so we really were like, you know, we just really focused on what it is we're doing. And I think, you know, I've been

thinking a lot about this recently because there's like so much like turmoil and like what country music is that that's not country. This is country or that's cool. This isn't cool. And it's, it's, annoying to me for the main reason of it's not what music is for like it's just it's not what it's about and someone's had been a great reminder for me to be like man people want to just listen to music to like party or if they want to cry or if they just want to feel nostalgic you know or whatever no one's thinking man I'm going to listen to this because this is going to make me cool as shit yeah or I'm going to listen to this because now I'm a country person now it's like it's just totally not important and so I feel like for us it was like folks

focusing on what, you know, what is it that we like and our fans like and finding those people. And it's taken us a really, really, really long time to do it. And God, I felt like we just have been passed so many times by other new artists. And we've just been kind of in our lane, just doing our thing. I feel like slow and steady wins the race, though. Yeah. Well, I don't know if we, you know, we certainly, you know, aren't the biggest artist that's ever happened in this business, but we're still here.

And we've been doing it for a while. and I don't foresee us going away anytime soon, and I really attribute that to going out and making real fans that did like what we were doing because it was different. And so, yeah, that's still kind of our mantra and our goal and our inspiration with all of it. Absolutely. I think that's exactly what you have to do because, you know,

like I just said, Sloan Sadi wins the race because you're building that core fan base of diehards who really ride with you. Totally. And that's so much more special than these people who kind of like make it overnight because their fans don't really know them. Exactly.

So whereas your fans just consume everything and love you guys for the people that you are as well as your music. Totally. And you know, and then you feel a sense of like being loyal back to them. Because you know, you were here the whole time. Like I don't want to switch this up when you were in the 11th hour.

Like, you know, there's any person I don't want to let down. It's the fan that started with us from the bottom who finally once we started having success was able to be like, I told you like, these were my guys. I believed in you. Yeah, and there's a sense of pride there. And we want to do good by those people, you know, particularly them.

And then also our family, everyone that was just, you know, there when we were, weren't shit. So I want to circle back to 2020 after you came out. The silver lining was you guys did your song, Younger Me, and you guys won a Grammy for that? Yeah. That's amazing. That is an accomplishment because some people go through our whole music careers without winning a Grammy. I know. It was, we had, you know, we had had the wonderful privilege of being nominated quite a few times.

And in fact, I always joked that it somehow, I think the amount of times we lost is more impressive than the one time we want. But I, you know, we, it was really, I felt like serendipitous because that song, it was kind of like, you know, a lot of times you're writing songs you're thinking about like, okay, where we're going to play this? Like, are the fans want to like it? People can sing along here. Is it going to work on radio? was kind of and that song was just slowly like this is something that I need to say and it kind of came out of nowhere and John felt like in his setting that it was also applies to him and you know and for those of you do not know it's sunk on younger me it's like if you could talk to your younger self like I think all of us feel this way like oh my god you know like the the heartbreak and how hard did you are on yourself and and just to be able to look back and be like man like you're going to make it and you're going to like how you turn out like you're everything's going to be going to be great you know like if i could just go back there and talk to my younger self it'd be amazing yeah um and that's kind of what the song the inspiration for that song was um and we had just released because

when i did come out i didn't want it to be around any promotion i'm like i don't want this to be opportunistic like i don't want to be a record i don't want to be a tour but there's always i mean amazingly there's always shit going on in our lives yeah so we had just released a record and i was like okay then that that came out so then i was like well i want this song to be out i don't want to wait for the next record that might be years from now because I probably won't want to say this then. And so we re-released our Skeletons album with that song on it. And while it wasn't a song that we like worked for radio or wasn't this hit or like this thing that made us probably really any money necessarily, I don't probably a little.

It was just the, I think the impact spiritually or emotionally and the connection to the fans. And it felt really like this is just like a little. nugget of reality here or you know just some real shit and um and it felt very serendipitous at that moment because I had been to the Grammys at this point probably I don't know maybe this might be my at that time maybe 10th year going or close to it and I never once brought a date to the Grammys and so it was if you can you can look up me giving my speech I'm emotional mess I'm crying because I'm Like, I'm at this award show accepting my first Grammy Award for a song that was inspired

by me coming out. And it's the first time I've ever brought a date to the Grammy Awards. I got goosebumps. It was, yeah, it was, it fucked me up. I was like, you know, and then I'm there with my brother. And it felt like, we were like, you know, there's a picture. And it's like, we had our arms around each other walking down the aisle to get on stage. And I just see like eight-year-olds John and T.J.

It's just like little boys going up there. And it was like, there were so many things that was like, oh, my God. Like, we did it, you know, but also doing it for something that was important and not for the money, you know. And it was, it just was perfect. And I was a, yeah, emotional damn s. You also talk about having OCD as a child, too, which I suffer from OCD. And I talk about it on the podcast. So when I read that you had said that you had a fear of, you had rituals and you had a fear of contamination, I was like, I relate to that.

so much. Like, if I open a water bottle and I take my eyes off of it, I have to have a whole new water bottle. I do that one. Do you? Is that contamination OCD also? Well, I think it's the fear of germs. Yeah. Well, mine's drug related. Or getting poison. Right. Right? Or drugged, yes. Drugged, yeah. Because that does happen. No, it happens all the time and you can't, I just don't trust people. I don't either. Where do you think your OCD and childhood came from? Because that's, you know, normally that stems from some sort of something that has happened, you know, like I know mine stems from abuse and just, I grew up in a very abusive household. So my OCD started at a very young age because of that. Where do you think yours came from? Well, my parents were,

my whole family was insane. You're right. No, same, sister. I mean, insane. Yeah. I mean, really seriously crazy. And, but, you know, because. of PTSD and horror, so they didn't know what the hell they were doing. But like our house, I mean, you wouldn't believe it. It's just too crazy. Right. My parents, all they did was make out. The two of them made out and they had four kids and they just, all they did was make out, which gave me a repulsion for human sexuality, of course. Oh, no. It was disgusting. I remember when, was it regular making out? Oh, yeah. Like he'd come home from work and she'd be standing there in front of the heat.

She'd turn on the heat and it took me a long time to put it together. She'd have this penwar set. All of us would just be sitting there. And she'd stand in front of the heat so this penwar would billow out there. She'd have these ruby red lips on. She'd look like Liz Taylor. She was the beauty of, she was like the only beautiful Jewish girl in the whole town. The rest of them looked like Ruth Buzzy.

But anyway, and my dad was the only Jewish football hero ever in Utah, or the world, I guess. But so he'd come through the door and she'd be there with the Ruby Red Lips and he'd come home from work and she'd be there all billowed out with the Penwar and the Red Lips. And, oh, it was so gross. And Daddy, he'd go, well, hello there. her. And then he'd rush to her like Clark Gable or some hideous thing like in some movie and then just start kissing. They'd just always be kissing. Oh, it was just sickening. I hate that because me and my husband make out all the time. So I wonder if our kid feels the same way. Oh, I'm sure they will. They do. I'm sure they do. Ask them. We do all the time. She's always like, you know, she's so used to it now because we do. But I mean, we're not like full on like. swap and spit, but we're very affectionate with each other. So I just hope it doesn't send her on a path of being repulsed of sexual behavior in any sort of way. Well, the other ones all went gay. Oh, no. So, you know, I don't know. They were probably

repulsed by heterosexuality. But, you know, it just, it was all. So Daddy was always trying to kill us kids so that he could just have mom by himself. Oh, no. But he wasn't conscious of the fact that he was always trying to kill us. How would he try to kill you? Well, we didn't have any furniture or anything because Daddy said, I could live in a tent. I don't need any furniture. I could live in a tent.

A man is owned by the things he owns. Say all that kind of crazy comedy, you know. We were like, Dad, we have no place to sit or do our homework. Yeah, you don't need any. You know, so Mom finally went to therapy. And so she said, we're going to have a regular house. Right. You know, so anyway, she says he's going to remodel.

So he strips all the wallpaper off the walls with a kerosene thing, and he leaves it on, and he's smoking in the house. And, yeah, and so the neighbors call the neighbors call the cops, and they come over there with the welfare. And they go, Mr. Bard, do you realize you've stripped all your wallpaper off, And you have kerosene. He never threw the wallpaper out either. You have kerosene soaked rags in your home with cigarettes with four children.

He goes, I'm sorry, sir. It never occurred to me that that was a bad thing to do, sir. Oh, my God. My dad was horrified because it never occurred to him, right? So, you know, that kind of thing. They go, you have 48 hours to clean this up or we're going to take your kids out of this house. Oh, my goodness. So they leave.

And my dad comes over, he slaps me across the head, get cleaning this place up. Oh, no. And then we'd have to go down to get our clothes to go to school because we only had two towels for six people. And because dad didn't want to spend any money on towels. But anyway, we have to go in the laundry in the dryer to get our clothes for school.

And above the dryer was a naked light bulb that you had to stand in a puddle of water to screw in before you get your clothes out of the dryer. Oh, my goodness. So every day we'd go down to get either a towel or our clothes and we would get like a horrible shock. And it was like we'd make fun of it. As kids, we'd go, wake up, brush your teeth, eat breakfast, go down, get 300, you know, microwave shock, get your clothes, back their lunch. And then, you know, they said, we just laugh about it. Nobody said, it's dangerous to have your children stand in a puddle of water and screw in a light bulb on a wired hanging down.

That is insane. And it was always like there was all like all booby trap crazy shit. But we didn't know. No wonder you had OCD. I could see. I could see all the trauma right now. And I would always do everything five times because I knew if I, because sometimes I do things twice and then I would recognize the pattern of something's horribly wrong is going to start.

to fire. Right. So I always have to do everything five times to make sure like the door was locked because sometimes they leave the door wide open when we went to sleep. I have to go down and check, check, check, check, check. But they got better. My parents did get better. Good. Well, I'm happy to hear that. So I learned some cool facts about you in your childhood that I actually had never known about you. Can we go on this journey? Yeah, let's do it. So you were a military kid? Yeah, yeah. Take me on that journey because it says that you were like, you lived in Germany, Japan, and the UK growing up. Yeah, I was born in North Dakota.

So my parents were cold as hell when they had me. Right. Yeah, North Dakota is like, it's crazy out there how cold it is. It's brutal. Yeah. I went back for a few shows and shit. And I don't know. We might have been there in like June, but it still felt like it was like December.

Yeah. It never gets warm there. Yeah. No, it's crazy. We've been there on a few shows too. And I'm like, what the. fuck is there to do out here? Nothing.

Besides have kids. Have babies. Literally. And be in the military, I guess. Yeah. But, um, so my parents, they, my mom is from Pittsburgh and my dad is from New York. So they met in basic training, which was away from both of those places. So when they had me and my older sibling, my older sibling was born on Guam.

And I was born in North Dakota, which was like two totally different things. And then for the earlier part of my life, yeah, I moved around a lot. I did live in Europe for a while. I lived in Japan for a while. I lived in a lot of southern states. And my mom being from Pittsburgh, that's how I ended up going back there. And that's where a lot of my roots are at, my real family. And that's why I spent the majority of my time, like, going to school and stuff like that.

But it was really cool, like, experiencing living all over in different countries and different states and things like that. Absolutely. Like, that had to have, like, shaped a little bit of, well, actually a lot of. like how you look at life. Absolutely. It definitely exposed me to a lot of different cultures and a lot of different ways of life. Yeah.

And I got to experience it young on a personal level because I was meeting a lot of kids and just, you know, mingling with them. And now as an adult and really being able to go back and dive into these cultures and experience them as, you know, a grown man, it just really like brought in my mind

and just opened me up to a lot of different things. I love that. If I didn't have that, I wouldn't have been, know where I'm at. I thought that was such a cool fact about you because I didn't know that. And I was like, that's actually really cool. That you're like so cultured. Yeah, it's super cool. And like all the base kids around the world, they feel like a connection with me. Because like, oh, whiz is one of us. Yeah. Yeah. Because moving around a lot as a child has to be hard.

You know, like, because you kind of don't have a sense of feeling like belonging anywhere permanently. It's, it's that. And then there's like a lot of anxiety like from always being the. new kid because when you're when you're younger the concept of making friends you want to just have friends forever right but you have to like make friends and then leave them so that be the hard part is like oh I've known you for like two three years and now I'm never going to see you for the rest of my life oh are there any friends that you have kept in contact with that you met I do I do I have a couple friends my boy Tyrese from uh from Oklahoma my partner is Zach he came to see me a couple times.

My partner, Wesley, he live in North Carolina. I haven't seen him in years, but I still remember that fool. Yeah. There's a lot of, there's like girls that I used to date back in the day who'd be popping up and shit like that. Oh, I'm sure they do. They're like, hey, Wes. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, yeah, you ain't getting those days is over.

No, I get that. I think it's a testament of who somebody is, though, to be able to maintain relationships from childhood, because I have friends from fucking second grade still, you know? So it's like, it just shows that you care. you are able to keep those relationships going. Yeah, absolutely. Even like my friends from Pittsburgh, a lot of them are from middle school and high school.

But we just got together for a Will's bachelor party and we still kick it just on the same level, just talking shit, having a great time. And I really value, like you said, those relationships. It means a lot to me. It's because people, they know you from before all of this. Right, right. And they keep you grounded. Yeah, when you do it the right way, they've seen you on your way up.

they know that it didn't just happen overnight. Like some people, they might look at you and it's like a magic trick. But like you said, they know you like we were in class together. We rode the bus together. We went to school dances together. You know, those relationships are really valuable. I love that. Yeah.

Every time I go back to Vegas, my girls make sure to humble me. Every time I'm, they're like, bitch, you are we knew you before you were bunny. You know, like calm down. Yeah, you need that sometimes. So I read also that your parents. divorced at three. Where did dad go and were you raised majority of the majority of time by your mom? It was a even split. So my dad remarried and he's still married to my stepmom to this day. So we're still a family. And then my mother, she went back to Pittsburgh. So my dad and stepmom

was still in the military and my mother was in Pittsburgh. So I would live with my mom for two years and then I would go live with my dad and a stepmom for two years. Wow, that's a different agreement. Normally, it's like every other weekend. Yeah, no, they hated each other. Oh, shit. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, they didn't get along at all.

And it was the 90s, and there was really no concept of, like, how to, like, navigate through that. They didn't have as much talk about that back then as they do now. Right. So they handled it the best way that they seemed fit, and that was that. Do you think that that plays into your role with how you co-parent with your baby mamas now? Because now you have two, right? You've got Vash and then you've got the little girl now.

Yeah, my girl, Cadence. Yeah. So do you think that seeing how your parents didn't get along back then was kind of like, you were like, I'm not going to be like that. And that was a driving force in making sure you had good relationships with the mother of your children? Yeah, I think it like subconsciously played a role because to me that was normal when I was a kid. like spending two years with one parent and two years with another, but having kids, I can never be away from my son for no two years.

Like, that's insane. So if I got to get along with his mom, if I got to freaking kiss her feet, I'm doing whatever I got to do to make sure that we're all on the same page. So that's not the agreement. And like I said, my parents did the best that they could. And I don't fault them for that at all. but I do know the difference between seeing your parents function and not seeing them function. And I would much rather, you know, my kids see me and their parents function.

Absolutely. I'm an 80s baby myself. And I just feel like parents of that era, they were not ready to cope with their trauma. Right. They were set in their fucking ways. You were not going to tell them how they are going to raise their kids. And like they were just like, it was just, I don't know. I feel like we're such a generation of kids that are healing what our parents wouldn't.

Yeah, absolutely. I think even just as a, yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think as adults, our parents went through a lot as well. They had trauma, you know, before, but they were going through a lot as adults. Guys, this episode, we really didn't have a lot to talk about. And we will have way more to talk about next season. When we talk to you guys, we're just tired, burn out. We need a break, too.

I said next season's going to be a little different. too we're going to have a lot of like experts on and like yeah it's going to be a really fun season i feel like each season has its own thing i love this season this season probably was my favorite so much fun i like thinking back now when i was kind of going over this past season i keep saying like oh this person was my favorite guest and then it'll be like this person my favorite episode is going to be my favorite guest yeah it's pretty funny this last episode with rosanne was such a good episodes. Yeah, I love Roseanne. She's so sweet, man. The McRib, I cappled. That was so funny. They just never warn you when the McRib comes back. I feel honored that, you know, despite how the world feels

about her, I feel honored that I actually got to sit down with her because, you know, she's, she's fucking been around for a long time, you know, and she's kind of on her way of just chilling and finding peace. And I think that, I think we caught her at a really cool time in her life. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, because I didn't get the Roseanne that everybody else gets. I got like a very, I got like, you know, sweet grandma vibes. Exactly. It was so different than anything you've seen. It wasn't abrasive. It wasn't like harsh or anything. You, you had such a soft side of her. Yeah. Through the whole episode or through the whole podcast. I was such, this whole season just makes me so happy having tech on. That was such a dream moment for me. Dude, Dolly. Dolly. I mean, there's, this was such an iconic season. Yeah. This was like

a turning of events. A turning of guests and like leveling up. and you know the Patreon is still growing we're at almost 300,000 members like that's fucking insane that community over there is like the core humans of all this I love them so much like thank you guys so much I almost 7,000 yeah yeah if you listen to my podcast I appreciate you if you engage with us on social media I appreciate you if you are a member of our Patreon I appreciate you like I just appreciate this journey that we're even being able to do this for as long is we have. We're going into season 10. Like that's crazy. That's crazy.

That's crazy. It's crazy to think that when I first started this podcast, I didn't know what I was going to do with it. You know, like I thought I was going to be like a sex podcast because hence why I called myself the female, I'm sorry, one the female Howard Stern, but also the degenerate love child of Dr. Ruth and Dolly Parton. Yes. So like that was my whole stick was like just, we were just going to have sex workers on. Oh, even in the beginning. we, I distinctly remember a conversation you and I had in the beginning and we had mentioned like men coming on. You were like, no, it's going to be women only. Yeah. And look how like transformative we've come. Like yeah. And then it was this. And then it was this. And is there so many, I feel like every

season shows. Yeah. Every season shows a different growth within it. Yeah. It's been wild. So, you know, who knows where the podcast is going to take us from here. But I mean, we're just going to keep on trucking baby. I love that we've inspired other people to create, you know, to keep going on their journeys too. Absolutely. Even through the fire with all the podcast boom, we've still remained just us and like, you know, been consistent. So I'm hoping that, you know, everybody realizes that we love you guys and that this is really a passion that we have. And, you know, we're just going to keep getting better and better. And that's all. And it's cool that we've been able to integrate Patreon into it now. We get a lot of messages. Yeah. I feel like the Astell confess is huge.

Yeah. So many people sub and they're like, I'm literally only here for us. Tell Confess. I wanted to tell you this. Like the messages we get in there sometimes, I'm just like, I'm literally laughing at some of the stuff because I'm like, you guys are so funny with it. Like one of the ones I was reading the other day was like, this has nothing to do with poop, butthole or sex. We appreciate you.

I had a guy stopped me in Kroger the other day that was like, I just want you to know Ask Tell Confess is one of my favorite shows. He goes, because you and those ladies, you guys talk about everything. It's weird because I have almost only guys talk about it too at my sister's wedding. Oh, hilarious. A guy took a picture with me because he was like, I love a hostile confess. I was like, what? Yes, it's so cool.

It's like gotten a lot more dudes into it, which I think are really funny. And like even Dustin's friends, like they talk about it at work. They're like, that ass tell confess episode. That's funny. That's hilarious. I love that so much. I love you guys. And I cannot wait to be back for season 10.

and we'll see you guys when we get back. Bye.