Dumb Blonde - TBT: DJ Paul

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

The legendary DJ Paul drops by this week, bringing stories straight from his Memphis roots and the early grind of Three 6 Mafia. He and Bunnie dive into his passion for crafting beats, breaking boundaries, and shaping a sound that still echoes through hip-hop today. From selling mixtapes in high school to taking home an Oscar, Paul gets real about the highs and lows of fame—and why building wealth beyond music matters, from real estate to his new Beverly Hills hot spot, The Hideaway. He also sets the record straight on the Bone Thugs-N-Harmony beef and teases what’s next, including fresh solo tracks and a collab with Krayzie Bone.DJ Paul: IG | SpotifyWatch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today, it's been a long time coming. I got my Bubba in the house. What up? DJ Paul, baby. Man, what's happening? Man, it's been forever. Dude, I'm so happy you're here. Man, I've been trying to get on here for a long time,

but we're always missing each other. You got to take this on the road when we're on tour, just doing on the bus. I'm ready. I'm ready to do the tour, man. We're talking about it. But every time I try to go do a freaking on the road tour somebody's like, no, you got to do this before.

And I'm like, whatever. But we're going to do it soon. And one thing I noticed about touring in studios is it never happens. Yeah. Like I always be like, we bring all kind of shit on the bus. And we're like, oh, man, we're going to record an album on the off days and shit. No. In the off days, you'd be like at some fucking hotel swimming pool with a barbecue grill.

Like you just want to enjoy your days off. Yeah. That's what we did when I was on tour just this last tour. We brought all the podcast stuff. And I was like, I'm going to interview everybody on the tour. Never fucking happened. Because I was just like, I didn't want to do hair and makeup. I didn't want to fucking, like, I was just like, no, please.

So I trust me, I totally feel that. It doesn't happen. I tell everybody that I meet about you. They're just like, he's such a g. He's so gangster. And I'm like, yes, he's all of that. I said, but I always say, Paul is the sweetest human you will ever meet. Like, it is so crazy to me, which we're going to get into all the three,

Six Mafia Sounds and stuff like that, that you guys do such dark music, but you are such a light of a human. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I've come to find that out with a lot of people. I'm sure you have, too, that you meet, you know, over your journey. Like, some people you'll be like, hmm, I don't know if he's approachable, because they used to say the same thing about me till they meet me. Yeah.

And I've seen some guys, and I'm like, I don't know about this. And then you come to find out they're super, super nice. Yeah. And that's how it was with you. Because I remember when you guys, we were all touring together during that time, I think it was, what, two years ago? And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. I'm so nervous because I got to meet you, but I never got to hang out with you. And then we got to film those TikToks and stuff.

And I was like, dude, Paul is so funny and so sweet. Yeah, it was a blast. Yeah, no, it was so fun. Now, I did me one celebrity once. Who was it? And he was kind of like he was kind of like he was in the movies. And I was like, I said, can I take a picture with you, man? He's like, you want to take a picture with me, man?

I said, uh, yeah, I just asked that. And he's like, all right, man, come on and take the picture. And I'm a huge fan of this dude, so no disrespect to him. But he don't, you know, I don't think that he did not want to take the picture. I think he was kind of surprised that I wanted to take a picture with him. Who was it? We're going to bleak the name. It was out of a karate kid, the bad guy.

What? But this was before they brought the new season back. This was like, you know, when he hadn't did nothing in a while. So this was like, this was in 2010, yeah, 2010. Even more reason for him to be nice. He was nice. I think he just, I think he, I think he probably thought that I was like joking with him or something. Because maybe some people probably like, you know, you never know with people these days with the pranks and all this stuff.

He's like, you don't take a picture of me, man. I'm like, yeah, I actually do. I wouldn't ask. Like, I'm a huge fan Like, dude Don't make me crank kick you around this moment But yeah, so yeah, he was I think he kind of tripped out at first

But we took the picture It was cool and then I had my necklace on my Oscar necklace on I was like, yeah, by the way man Three, six, my people We won an Oscar back and then he's like, really? Oh man, he's like man And that's when the conversation got a little cool

So he probably didn't know who you were at first Is that what it was? Okay, gotcha No, for sure he didn't know who I was. Yeah, yeah. But sometimes I don't know who I am. I know for a fact, he didn't know. Do you ever get imposter syndrome?

Like after you've, after everything you've accomplished in this life, all the lure that you have behind you, all the freaking awards and just all the accolades that you have behind you, do you ever just get imposter syndrome? What is that? So what is like a definition of imposter syndrome? It's like you feel like. I kind of know what you're saying. Like you feel like you don't belong here or like you're not supposed to be here.

Like you're not deserving. All the time. All the time. I just had this a couple of days ago. Yeah. So like I just had this a couple of days ago where I was like, you know, so like I own a lot of properties. There was like at one point in my career, I got a little nervous where I had.

This was probably like in 2013, 14 or something where like three six might have been gone for a while. Our last album was in 2009. We never made an album after that. But, you know, but I was still making a lot of money. But I invested so much cash money into real estate that I got a little nervous. Yeah. I got a little nervous.

But it worked. It worked like a motherfucker. I bought a house in Vegas for $550,000 in the late 2000s. It's so weird because we're still in the 2000s, but then it's kind of like broke down. It's so different. So around 2010-ish. I bought a house for Vegas and Vegas for

$550,000 and now their houses worth $3 million. Crazy, right? Yeah. I tell them all the time because I'm a Vegas girl, which I heard you talking about

how you lived in Vegas. I don't know how we never, we were all in the same circles. I heard you say that you loved Robin Leach. Yeah. Lifestyles of Champagne Wishes and Caviar Dreams, maybe?

Are you kidding me? When I heard that, I was like, yes, because nobody knows that, you know, unless you were in Vegas and experienced it and actually got to watch it on TV growing up. Not a lot of people know about that. So I don't know how we didn't run into each other in Vegas because we were always around the same circles.

Yeah, I don't know how either. It was crazy. And Robin Leach, if you ever partied with him, he was... Twice. Bro. He partied. Yeah, he partied. And I told him the same story every time I saw him about how I was 12 years old

and my whole life is because of him. Yeah. So back to the imposter syndrome. or whatever you call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I spent all this money into real estate. Now, I got a little nervous, you know, just and that. And it got to the point where I started feeling that like all of these investment properties that I bought,

that if I went bought myself a big house, and I was living in a big house in Vegas, I still own this house, if I went to buy another big house for myself somewhere outside of Vegas because I was kind of getting sick of being there all the time I was thinking that I really did I was like do I really deserve this I'm like yeah I work hard I do but then I kind of don't but then I was like you know you just started thinking about like like you like you know yeah do you do you really deserve it yeah no I get I do it all the time like my husband tells me all the time

Jay because he he deals with it better than I do like I swear Jay's built for freaking to be a politician he remembers everybody's will be yeah he remembers please don't speak that in our life but he literally can like shake hands and kiss babies all day long and i just feel like i don't know sometimes i feel like i don't belong there you know and he's like baby you have to realize like you've worked this hard and you have worked so hard and like created such a freaking legacy that if anybody deserves to buy as many houses as they want it's you you can't you can't you can't it's the thing like i I just wish more young celebrities, rappers, actors, you know, podcasts, whatever you're doing,

whatever you're doing in life, just like put more money into real estate. I preach it enough. Every interview I've ever did from this person to that person, I always said like this, the jury, this and that, like I got a couple of pieces of jury, you know, I got, the jury is just for show with me. It's just for show. When I put this on for this podcast, I have. had to dig and find shit.

We came out here with this shit in a Ziploc bag. I don't even have the cool stuff to put it in. Like the little watch things on the countertop that turned the Rolex is to keep. Man, my Rolex is in a crown roll bag. I have traveled. I have traveled every time we go on tour, my jewelry's in a Ziploc bag or a crown royal bag.

We had a crown royal bag too. Yeah. Swear to God. Crown Royal bag. I did a YouTube maybe three, three months ago about a crown raw bag and it basically went viral people like

holy shit have you ever seen the orange one and the special edition? I was like man all I know is the purple one. Yeah me too. But everybody started talking about all these limited edition ones I never even know but yeah never. I got a I got a little jury just for just for show

you know I was on I was a tour in Houston you from Houston right? Yes yes touring Houston went by TV Johnny you know and I was like yeah you You know, the tour had been good. I've been touring for three months. I guess I gave myself a little necklace and bought this little, you know, Cuban link or whatever. But I don't wear this shit around this and then.

I put all of my money into, you know, real estate and investment. On the inside, everybody that tell you, I'm a gangster rapper on the outside, but on the inside, I think I'm like a 65-year-old white woman. I watch HGTV and the Food Network all the time when I'm in my studio, My whole YouTube is just home decoration, three hours of the best-looking mansions and this and that. I'm just taking pictures. That's why when I walked in here, I'm like, hey, man, what's the name of this wallpaper? I want to get some of this, man.

I like those ficus trees you got outside. I'm that dude. I love that. But, okay, so what was your first piece of property that you ever bought? It was in an area outside of Memphis called Cordova, Tennessee. And now it's not heard. it's all crazy as hell now. But back then, we talked about 1997, man, it's usually about two houses right next door

to each other. Aw. And it was nobody out there. It was nobody out there. That was the first one. That's amazing, though. And did you end up flipping it and just selling it? Yeah, I love that.

But I don't flip houses no more. No. I keep them and I rent them. Oh, that's good, though. Yeah, because when you flip them, you got a passive income, right? Capital gain and all that if it's less than two years or whatever. this and there, but, you know, that's, that's money out of your pocket

right there. So, I was watching this infomercial one night, and this infomercial said, when you, when you pass away, you can't always leave your talents to your kids.

Because, you know, I don't want my kids to be rappers any fucking way, but you can't always leave your talents to your kids, but you can't leave property to your kids. When I said, saw him say that that stuck in me i was like man that's the truth like it's real yeah no that is real and now i i i read i don't know if you're saying this i read that they're trying to they're trying to turn america kind of like what it is in china where they call it forever rentals no educate me please

yeah forever forever rentals so like some uh some some some uh wall street guys just went about like 1,500 homes in Vegas that they turned into just rentals. You can't buy them. You can only rent them. Forever. Forever. How? Like, so they just don't sell them? They won't sell them. Okay, gotcha.

So if you want to live in them, you've got to rent it for the rest of your life. You'll never have equity in that house. You know, it's like that dude, some dudes say at one point, he said, in the future you will own nothing and be happy. You know, and that's what's really good. going on. Wow. This was really going on. Like, I'll look at some condo buildings and some of these condo buildings. You'll go to you, like, oh, man, it's a nice condo. Like, how much of these? And they're

like, they're not for sale. They're only for rent. I'm like, really? I'm like, this don't look like an apartment. This looks like a condo. They're like, well, it started out to be a condo, but then the owners changed, the investors changed their mind and said they wanted to be apartments. So the investors are from other countries, though? Or is it American investors also? Who knows? Oh, Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying this, a lot of these are popping up. Like, they got a real popular building in basically Beverly Hills in L.A.

I'm sure you've passed it a million times. It's on Santa Monica Boulevard. As soon as you turn in, soon as Santa Monica split with big Santa Monica and little Santa Monica going into Beverly Hills, it's a big building right there called the 10,000 building. I've seen tons of celebrities in this building. And a one bedroom started $10,000. a month all way up to the top one with his own pool, that's $65,000 a month.

Rent. You can't buy these. Wow. I would, I could never. I would feel sick to my stomach if I was just paying somebody else's rent. Yeah, it's cool for six months.

If you relocate and you're like, oh, I want to live in Beverly Hills and I want to see how it is. I want to go to the mall and this and that. $10,000 a month. But you can afford that if you're moving over there. I hope you can. You're hustling backwards if you're not. Right.

So $10,000 a month to live in that area and get a feel of it before you go spend $5 million or something, that makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. But, you know, like doing that forever. No. Only way that makes sense is if you got the rest of that money in the best investments in the world. Yeah, but I mean, even that seems just so frivolous though to like want to just, I mean, if you're blowing 65 grand a month on rent, you obviously have it. Now, that don't make sense in no ways.

But I mean, but I mean, if you can afford. it then obviously you can you can make it work somehow but not forever you know like there's no way yeah it's crazy no that would that would i couldn't do that so i wanted to kind of bring my listeners on a journey with you because you have so much lore to you um and i wanted to kind of you know take it back to your childhood in memphis growing up you know tell me what that was like i know you've told this story a million times but i know there's a bunch of listeners that probably are just getting to know you from my podcast. I really just want to paint that picture of where you came from to where you are now.

Growing up in Memphis, take me on that ride. Because it was in the 80s and 90s, right? Yeah, yeah. I grew up in Memphis. Yeah, 80s and 90s. The 80s and 90s were elite. Yeah, it was the best, man. I was born in 80.

So, I mean, there's nothing that compares from 80 to the 2000s, dude. Yeah, it was the best, man. You know, like, that's the best time. Like, I was just talking about this to my friend, a couple of days ago like I like watching these movies or looking at these pictures of all of the

you know not to some people look at this and be like oh why is he glamorizing you know drug dealers and this and that but it's not about it's not about the drug dealers it's just about the whole swag

of that in the 80s like when you watch the paid and full movie yeah you see the troop jackets and the eight ball You remember the eight ball jacket? Dude, all of it.

Yes. The, you know, the cangos. The ambiance of that generation was just insane. Yeah, and the old 500

Mercedes with the skirts on it. Yes, yes. AMG wheels. I mean, a lot of this stuff is still around and happening today,

they just don't know it. It's modernized. It's modernized. Modernized. So like, you know, like these Louis Vuitton and Gucci Bay.

It was the same designs back then. Yeah. So, you know, like I grew, up in that my brother was a big drug dealer he went to federal prison how many brothers and sisters do you have because i i couldn't find a of an answer on that when i googled that yeah i'm still

looking for that answer myself actually okay gotcha i love it though yeah a lot i got uh six is six-ish six-ish brothers because my mom and my dad they had you know kids you know separately but i got around six six seven brothers and you know four sisters ish Wow. Ish. But you're going to have a bunch of people reaching out to you after this interview. Hey, I'm your brother. I'm your sister.

Yeah. Once that I noticed my brother's sister. No, motherfucker. You got this men and brothers and this. So, you know, I grew up in that world. I grew up in that world. My brother was, you know, in that world and, you know, all his friends. So I was a kid, you know, looking at all that.

I'm looking at new Mercedes pull up, new Corvettes pull up to the house and this and that. I'm just like, man. And then I went to school down the street from this house of these big drug dealers in Memphis, like the most popular drug dealers in Memphis history. Wow. At a house on the exact street that my junior high school was at. So you grew up around hustling.

Yeah. Like you just saw it from the gate. Yeah, every day. Every day I saw just a driveway full of Corvettes and Mercedes and this and that, you know, not in my parents' house, but like my brother's house. and the house is in the neighborhood. All these guys was in my neighborhood.

What's one of the wildest things you saw growing up in Memphis during that time? As a child. Did I saw or heard about? That like left an imprint on you, something that left an imprint on you. Oh, this guy got killed for $34 in a dice game upstreet from my auntie house. That right there, that right there let me know that people would do anything. for anything. Wow.

What a life lesson to take with you as a young child. Yeah, I didn't physically see it. I was there. It happened up the street. You know, my family members started running this and that and people was running and all that. And I was like, what happened?

They were like, you know, guys just got. But they're having a lot in the 80s. You know, people getting killed over dice games, man. That's a lot of people dead over a dice game. Yeah. No, all the boys are back around. You can walk around these two little fucking cubes in your pocket. That would be your myth for the day.

If you knew how to play. Yeah, absolutely. I grew up in Vegas, so everybody had dice in their hands. All the boys. I always had dice, man. If you ain't got nothing, you could make you a few dollars off dice. Yeah. So that dude, they killed that dude over $34.

He probably looked, and man, back then, shit, a fucking, a combo meal was like $4. Yeah. So he had, man, he had about a week's worth of food he lost right there. Oh, man. Sad. That is sad. I hate that. So, that was that right there set it from, that set the tone.

for me. How close were you with your brothers and sisters growing up? Super close. All of them? Yeah, I was the youngest. I was the youngest. When I was born, it was only two brothers still living in the house. But my sister lived next door. All of us kind of lived in the same

neighborhood. So you're the baby? Yeah, I'm the youngest. I never knew that about you. Yeah, I'm the baby. I love that. The youngest is in charge. Yes. Special ed. What was your relationship with your mom? Because I know you've touched based on that a couple of times. Yeah, it was

real good. It was real good. You know, I live with my mom. I was, you know, I was I lived with my mom all the way up to the point. We recorded our old 360 Mopjeal albums in my mom's house. Wow. Yeah, not all of them, but like, yeah. All of the underground, all of the underground stuff was recorded in my mom's house. So

everybody met my mom. Even some guys who I'm not cool with, who was never even a part of our group. Right. Been in my house at least probably one time recording and met my mom. Everybody met my mom. My mom was super cool. My mom had a super close relationship. And my dad had when my dad passed away, I bought my mom a house.

How old were you when your father passed? Probably like 30-something. Oh, okay. So it was when you were older. Yeah. It wasn't when you were a child. Okay. Yeah, both of them passed.

I was in my 30s. Now, my dad and my 20s. my mom in my 30s. Right. Yeah. Was mom always supportive of your choice in doing music? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she loved it.

My mom used to take me to the organ lessons. I played, I took organ lessons. Aw, I love that. Can you still play? Yeah, of course. I still play on all my music. Where did your inspiration and your drive to want to do music come from? Um, I, I, so we was the only, my daddy owned a company.

So we, even though we lived in a bad neighborhood, we was one of the people who had the better house in the bad neighborhood. Right. So, like, we was the ones when you riding through the bad neighborhood and you see, you see where they built on the back of the house. That happened all the time in the hood. Yeah, yeah. Like, instead of buying a big house, they just built on their back of the house.

Yes. Shit didn't even match. It would be a different color, different material. Front of the house would be brick, the back over to be wood, whatever. Yeah. I lived in one of those houses. Right. And my daddy built on like an extra few bedrooms

and a whole other den in the back for my brothers. So we had cable when cable first came out. You know, we had cable. So I would be sitting on the floor like this close to the TV watching MTV when they first came out. I remember when MTV first came out. I wish they would bring MTV back. It's just the nostalgia alone. Yeah.

Yeah, but if they bring it back, they should just play old shit, not no new shit. Yeah. I feel like there's no, we'll get to that later, but yeah, for sure. The music nowadays is just, it's not like it used to be. Yeah, it's some good music out, but, you know, it's just, it's different. Yeah, we're getting to that. It's never, never going to compare. But I was planning in front of the TV watching MTV, you know, watching all these guys.

I grew up on rock music, and I think that's what contributes to making the 3-6 Mafia. sound and uh excuse me the rowdiness and the wildness like tear the club up hit a motherfucker and stuff like that is it came from me growing up on rock music what was like your favorite rock band growing up what were like van halen yes that's the first CD i ever stole was a van halen and got caught was stealing a van halen CD yeah i just bought a eddie van he vh guitar guitar i got at the house now i got to hang up i got a huge guitar collection but that was you know jump was one of my favorite songs. Still, it's one of my favorite songs of all time.

The guitars and that is insane. Yeah, in the sense. And the synthesizers, yeah. The synthesizers, because a lot of these rockers back in the day, they didn't have keyboard players. They just relied on guitars and drums, but I liked when they added, you know, some keys in there. Yeah.

Because I'm a keyboard player. Yes. So that was dope on the end. So just watching MTV, your mom, Oh, and I had, I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you out. Yeah, you're going to. My uncle's had a gospel group. Yes, I was just about to get to that.

Did you ever get to sing with them? And what were they called? They were called the Bogard Brothers. The Bogard Brothers. And I never, no, I never even seen them perform. I was too young. Oh, okay. But my uncle taught me about publishing.

At a young age? Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, he taught me about publishing. That's, that's, that's, they were saying, my life. I feel like that's like knowledge that you're going to take with you forever. I always say like in high school they should treat they should teach like a credit and business class because literally you'll and like learn how to balance your checkbooks and stuff like that because little gyms like that of what he taught you you've carried through life. Yeah but it don't

work like that because they don't want you to they don't want you to win win they make more money off you losing. Right. Well yeah it just like the health system they keep you sick you know so yeah Yeah, they make more money off of that. So you never got to see the Bogart Brothers perform. No. Okay. But did you grow up listening to their music? Yeah, hell yeah.

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our songs. Yes. And then I would come to school the next day and they'd be like, hey man, what was that fourth song on now? I'm like, oh, I got to think. I don't know. That was me, motherfucker. You like it?

Huh? You like it? Huh? It works. It works. We got something here? Yeah, so that was my way of promoting it. And it eventually turned into just our songs.

Yes. I love that. Can we dive into you and Lord Infamous a little bit because that's your half brother, correct? Yeah, yeah. You guys were extremely close growing up. Yeah, yeah. And was it you or was it him that brought the horror core?

Because who was the, who was? Really, both of us. Okay. Because both of us love to watch horror movies. What's your favorite one? Texas Chinese Saw Masker original. Okay. Gotcha.

Yeah. That's Mimi's over there. Not to be bringing up Texas because you hear it. No, I love it. Even if you wasn't here, that's one of my favorite. No, listen, I didn't even think about it like that. I love it for sure. That's a great movie.

Yeah, for sure. It was loosely based off a true story, which I like true crime. Yeah. I watched true crime all day. Oh, literally. Jay and I fall asleep watching it. I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, yeah.

You guys were the original people who started that because I remember back in the day whenever I first heard about you guys, it was like you, Brother Lynch, Bone came along and started their like dark, occultic stuff too, and then maybe Spice One a little bit, you know? Like, so, I mean, there wasn't too many people who were dabbling in that. Were you guys practicing behind the scene? or was it just something that you guys were into, like, you know, the cultic themes and stuff like that? Yeah, we was just into, we were just into horror movies and, you know, growing up in Memphis, you kind of live in a horror movie.

Yeah. It rains a lot and there's just a dark city. And I think that's the reason why the music is so great. Right. It has always been great out of that city, you know? So we grew up, you know, watching horror movies. And then I had a guy along the time. I'm going to go give me a Syria Killers book.

The old Time Life magazine, you remember them, Time Life? Yes. And they would be running the commercials at night, like, oh, you can get this, World War II. Yes. They said you send you all these books in the mail where they had a collection of serial killers, serial books. And this guy, I know he came across one, some kind of way. I was like, hey, man, that ain't a collection like 12 books?

And I ain't got 12. I got this one. You want it or not? I was like, yeah, I want it. Get it to me. And I had that one little serial killer book, and I studied it. I studied it. And like right now, I got a collection of all of the serial killers framed,

black and white photos, black frames, black and white photos of all of the serial killers in my house. And I started studying serial killers. It's kind of like it just a little, not, I don't want to say obsession, but a fixation possibly. Yeah, you know what? I just got into how. You know, obviously they did terrible, terrible things. Yeah. But what I more got into was the organization of it.

Right. The organization of it. You know, like you had guys that, you know, like, I'm only going to, you know, like the Zodiac killer. Like, only this person with this birthday. Like, if I go up and this person got a different birthday, then I'm going to let this person live or whatever. It's all fucked up people.

Don't get me wrong. But it was just something about the organization of it. They got into my head. No, I understand it because I actually, I don't know if you saw, but I got in trouble for wanting to bring a murder on the podcast. And that was a whole debacle that I had to learn from in this generation now. But, you know, back in the day, I loved to figure out what made them tick, you know? Yeah.

What makes you want to take somebody's life? How can you eat somebody? You know, like, if I had a chance to sit down with Jeffrey Dahmer, I would do it. You know, and, like, get inside his head and try to figure it out. I think it's just, it's so morbid and so taboo that people are drawn to it because we're just like, how did this happen? You know, like, we want to figure it out. Yeah, yeah. What made you do this?

And like, what more, what I'm, what I'm more curious about is a lot of these dudes have full families at home. Crazy, right? And I'm like, where did your wife? What did you? Like, I'm not trying to cheat. How did your wife not know? Yeah, like, I'm not trying to cheat on my girl or not, but what excuse was you using to be gone all night? Like, we kind of, like, imagine that, the Ted Bundy book of excuses for your wife.

Yes. Yeah. Like, dude, what was you telling your wife when you was gone all night and you were sleeping with three dead bodies next to a lake? Like, when you came home, like, I'm sure you smelled like hell. Yeah, yeah. Like, and just for energy. Like, how do you even, how do you go? from murdering somebody

and the most heinous way to going home and being a doting father and husband. It's insane to me. Like, how do you make that switch? Well, one thing about it is most serial killers, you know, not to get into racism or none, but most serial killers was white.

Because black serial killers couldn't have did that because when you come home to a black woman, she'd be like, let me smell your dick. Yeah, absolutely. Ted Bundy ass would have been busted just out of a dick smell. Oh, save so many lives, man, guy. No, you're so real.

You're so real. Who did that skit? Let me smell you dick. I forget. There was a comedian who did the Let Me Smell You Dick, and I fucking lost it. Yeah, I didn't see that. But that just happens in real life with black women. I'll have to send it to you.

No, I believe it. 100%. So taking it back to you and Lord Infamous in 89, you guys dropped the serial killers together. He would rap and you would make the beats. Yeah. I wrote on like one or two songs. Did you not want to rap? Did you not want to rap?

No, I didn't. I still don't want to rap. Really? I hate rapping. Stop it. I can make beats all day. I can make a beat right here doing this interview.

I love making beats. If it was up to me, you know, like I would sit up and make beats 24 hours a day if I could. I just have other businesses and stuff. But I hate writing raps. To sit out and write a rap,

you've got to think about like, oh, what kind of shoes are these little niggas wearing? and what's the new sands and like I don't even know I would think that making a beat would be way more intricate than making a rap well it just depends on the person right you know like you got you got some people that can make a rap so easy just because the because of wordplay is just in them or whatever then you got some people that just music is in them it's easier to make yeah to make music because when it comes to music excuse me you're okay when it comes to music, what makes music more easier is because music just really, nothing to get the lyricists, but music just kind of comes from the heart and from the rhythm, and then you give it to the lyricist and you let him write about what he think the people want to hear. Right.

Like a musician don't really go in and make a beat because people want to hear this. And if they do, they're probably making a mistake. You just go in, you just make what feels right. And then that's why a lot of musicians end up with a lot of beats that never see the face of the earth because they'd be like, ah, this sounds good, but I think I'm the only person in the world who actually liked us. You can't dance to this and you can't do this and do that, blah, blah, blah, blah. But they just never know.

Sometimes just a simple instrumental to be something for people to clean the house to or do homework to or whatever. I think that's why the lo-fi is so popular now. all that. But with songs writing the lyrics and coming over with hooks and coming over with choruses,

there's got to be something that's going to drive people in a way. You know, like, you got to drive them like, you know, like, if you're a good lyricist, you can take just a simple drumbeat with a kick snare and a hi-hat

and spit the right, the right vocals over the top of it and people are going to go crazy. Right. But if you walk in here with just a drumbeat with nothing over the top of other people they're going to be like

okay something is it going to do something else or is this it so it's like the beat is a vibe and the lyrics are the energy the beat is the energy and the lyrics are the vibes is what's keep them

keep their attention and find the spot find the sweet spot whether it's an emotional record or it's an energetic record, this and that. There's only so much music can give you feeling, obviously.

Yeah, absolutely. But then, you know, after a while, you kind of kind of want to know what else is going on. Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes, sometimes not. When you explain it that way, it makes perfect sense. Bringing it back to you and Lord Infamous, can you give me a memory with him

that you've never told anyone but you still think about? Uh, I don't have to think. Oh, la-la-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-d-d-oh. We can always circle back. I'll probably wait to tell that one. Okay. I say them for the Paul movie.

I got you. I got you. So around this time, when you're dropping these mixtapes and you and Lord Infamous are doing these songs together, When does Juicy Jay come on the scene? When do you meet Juicy Jay? About two years later, like 92, maybe late 91. I just said 92 to be on the safe side.

Another guy who I was producing was friends with Juicy. And he told me about Juicy. He was like, hey, this is a dude? I had heard of Juicy through his mixtap, but I didn't know him personally. And I would just see his tapes when I would go drop off my tapes at the stereo stores. And he was like, this dude. name of Juicy Jay, want you to help him make some, want to make some beats with you. Because Juicy didn't really play the keyboard.

I played the keyboard. Right. So he was like, he wants you to, you know, help him make some beats, this and that. So, you know, he started coming home to my house and I would help him make some beats. And then we started finding that we had a groove that we vibed together really good on making beats, you know. And then it just went from there. So you guys pretty much just had a love of music together and then that developed the friendship between you guys.

How was you guys as friendship when you guys were younger? Was it always like best friends or did you guys actually like, you know, kind of like butt heads because it was creative direction? No, we never butt heads. Oh, good. We never butt heads. You know, like, I would always listen to what he had to say

and he would always listen to what I had to say. And we just kind of went with the flow because we saw that it that it worked right you know so if i'd be like no i don't think we should do it like this we should do it like that and he was like that's cool and then you know vice versa and we just and it just like that because if you start putting you know too much disagreeing with it then it's just it was it's probably not meant to be anyway right you know so we never we never had that we never had that issue i love that it was always fluid for you guys yeah You guys have, you know, publicly said that you guys were speaking about drugs before, like, anybody else was speaking about drugs in the industry.

You guys were very vocal about it. When did your drug use start? Oh, God. Like, weed or the hard stuff? I mean, just your journey that started. We started in, uh, we started in seventh grade. Wow. I sold weed in the seventh grade.

Because you were just a product of your. environment of what you saw growing up yeah because back in the day we was like it was like scraps yeah you know so like my my brothers and everybody that was in the that was in the game like keys and all that was was what the money at like they would throw away weed like we were just like here we would just be laying around the house just like oh damn we go a pound of weed yeah they don't even see this nobody cared about weed back then right like that yeah you know like now people are making millions of dollars off weed but back in those days like we're like weed get out here don't about I want to weed yeah because the the rich man's drug was cocaine

yes yeah and one nobody trying to go to sleep right was trying to stay up and and party the 80s for sure and the 90s yeah like come on man you mean to tell me you want me to pay you to go to sleep I don't need to pay to go to sleep I can do that on my own yeah nope I agree so you started smoking weed in seventh grade and then when did it start progressing? A start progressing when our first album came out. The album right there, Mystic Stiles,

on that football behind your head. Okay, so it started progressing after 3-6 Mafia. Yeah. Okay, so let's circle back then. So you meet Jesse Jay, you guys are vibing. Lord Infamous is in on this. You guys decide.

What did Gangsta Boost up on the scene? Oh, like, 93-ish. okay so she was like right behind right behind juicy yeah yeah I rest in peace boo we I got to meet her the one time that she came and did my

podcast and she almost beat me up on the podcast I was so nervous because I was still new to the podcast thing that's why I'm glad you're here now because you know if I had interviewed you a couple years ago I was just so nervous and I just wanted to do perfect with her and I forgot her first album name

and I had to look down at my notes and she flipped out. Ooh, I can imagine. I can imagine. I can imagine. I know, it don't take much. She flipped out. Country was there.

Country got scared and thought he was going to have to break up a fight. Like, it was crazy. But then by the end of the interview, she was my best friend. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she flipped like that. Yeah, yeah.

No, it was crazy. Yeah, she would flip like that. Yeah. So how did Boo become a part of three six? We went to school together. Okay. All of us went to school together except Jucy. Jucy was from the north side.

Okay. All the rest of us was from the south. side. Okay. Yeah, so we went, we went to school together. Yeah, I love that. So we got all these members now and then you guys decide to form three six mafia. Yeah. How did you guys come up with the name, three six mafia? Because there's been so much speculation to you guys' name because it does have six, six in it. Yeah, it came from that. Okay, tell me. Basically, Lord Femus head said triple six mafia in a song. They weren't even our group name. He just said it. He you're just like a triple six mafia falling down down and a silencer you know he said something like

that and I liked that and I was like whoa that's dope and I just started sampling triple six mafia mafia and that became really popular with us and that still wasn't our name right I would just sample that and then you know when it was time to form a group I was like hey we should call ourselves triple six mafia and everybody liked it and then next day I know white fans came like that They flock to us. Next day I know we got a call to do a show in Bartlett, Tennessee. I'm like, Bartlett, Tennessee. I'm like, I don't even know black folks can go out there.

And then the next day I know we just I started doing shows in number white clubs. Really? After you named the group Three Six Mafia. Triple Six Mafia. Yeah. That's crazy. I know Lord Infamous has gone on record to say that he dabbled in like Satanism and all that stuff. Yeah, he didn't do that for.

real. He didn't? Hell no. I just watched an interview with him last night where he was talking about how he went to hell and demons were torturing him and like, it was crazy and I was just like... Yeah, he was just high. Okay. I grew up singing Amazing Grace in the church and I was playing the organ. Everybody know that.

I love that. I was in the church every Sunday. In Mississippi, it don't get no more churcher than a Mississippi church. Yeah, for sure. I love that you call him out like that. You're like, no, that's my brother. Nope, he grew up singing an Amazing Grace. So there was no real satanic reasoning behind the name no the lore has always just kind of like your reputation precedes you yeah yeah it was just a image it was just yeah it was just something that was cool right like i said we did you know study like killers and stuff like that but yeah we never studied

satan or any of that i don't know nothing about all that yeah so from 90 to 94 you guys ended up dropping 16 mixtapes you by yourself and then also with three six or triple six correct yeah okay so take me on this journey what's like an insane an insane story from the early days of three six mafia that's never been told like a fight a robbery a wild tour moment we got into we got it oh my god we had uh we had a crazy one at a skating ring in uh Arkansas man that one right there was wild really uh yeah it was a skating ring in Arkansas, West Memphis, Arkansas. They used to always have rap concerts there.

And, man, we went there one day, and behind the scenes, we had a little situation going on with some guys from Arkansas, but they'd end up getting, you know, squashed. We was all just young or whatever. But, you know, we ended up getting super, super love from that part. It was just that little one part of Arkansas. But for whatever reason, back in the day, Arkansas, Arkansas, in Memphis people back in the 90s, not no more. They always got into it.

I don't know what it was. But so we went to West Memphis, Arkansas to do this concert. And next thing, I know it's like 900 people there. Next day I know somebody in the crowd had threw a skate at us. It was a skating, through a skate. And I was like, okay, here we go. I knew this was going to come. And I was like, all right, I'm not going to pay attention to this one.

Keep on rapping. Somebody threw another skate. I said, hey, y'all keep throwing these skates, man, we're going to leave. So we're rapping, three most songs came on. Somebody threw another skate. I was like, all right, I'm out of here. We started leaving about it. The next day I know these 900 people start surrounding us, falling behind us.

Crunchy turned around and pulled out a gun like this. Like this, like get back, motherfuckers, this is that. So they set back. We went up in the dressing room. We went up in the office. We went up in the office of the promoter. They started beating on the door. Boom, boom.

Come out of them. motherfucker. Come out of that motherfucker. Crush you open the door, put the gun on and bang back like that. And we was looking at the cameras. They was surrounded outside the dough. I was like, bro, I was like, you know, I told the dude, I was like, look, you can call the police or we can shoot our way up out of this motherfucker. It's whichever way you want to do it. Because we got, it's four of us and all of us got, now it's probably like eight of us. I said, it's eight of us and everybody in here got a gun on. Yeah. So you just let me know how you want us to get up out of here. A bunch of Memphis gangsters too.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like everybody in three since Michael was in a gang and some crazy shit. So I'm like, look, dude, is you know, you call the police and get us up out of here or we get our self up out of here. This and that. This man picked up the phone.

He looked at me and he said, The phones are dead. No. I said, what? I'm like, what kind of pre-sent 13 movie shit is done? I'm like, how's the phone dead? I'm like, there's no way they climbed up on the roof and cut the phone.

I'm like, you know, all right, we get our stuff up out of here. Listen to that. we opened the dough and we just, you know, we just, like, didn't pull them out, but we just kind of like to just showing them with our hands up on the air. We made our way to the cop, man, and punched that, motherfucker. Punched. Were you guys, like, inside? Were you guys, like, trembling?

Like, it's one thing to have to portray something to the outside. Was we scared? Yeah, I was a little scared. I was a little scared. I wasn't scared to the point, like, I thought I was going to get killed. Right. I just was scared to the point. I was like, man, this probably going to be a massacre of in this motherfucker right now.

Because I'm like, you know, we got to shoot our way to the car. Yeah. And then by time then, I mean, we can't, you know, like, we can't and don't want to hurt 900 people. No. Like, somebody's going to make it to their car out well. And we got to get all the way to the Mississippi Bridge. Then we got to get over this bridge. I was like, you know, I'm just going to thank God that nobody get hurt.

Yeah. Well, you know, like they didn't have no security there. What the hell? The venue didn't have security or anything? We didn't have security. No, you know, you're talking about the... This was the early days. Early 90s.

Were the crowds that you guys played for pretty rowdy? Because I would think, like... Yeah, I would think like with some of you guys as music. Yeah. Super rowdy. This was back when there was no phones in the club. Yeah. So people were just all focused on you guys. Yeah.

So if somebody was in a bad mood or having a bad mood that day, they were fucking taking it out on everybody. That's crazy. So take me on this journey with you guys. When you dropped your album, I had heard in an interview, you said, I think it was the one in 2005 that you guys dropped and you paid $4,500 for it.

That was $95. $95, sorry, $95,000, and you guys paid $4,500 for it and turned it into like $45 million? Yeah, over $45 million now. That's insane. Obviously, over the age, yeah, it turned it to $45 million, fast, you know, and it was the same album, Misty Stiles, our first album.

Sorry, my notes froze. That's why I didn't have the right year. Yeah, 95, yeah, we didn't make $4 million. $45 million off that album alone, obviously. Just in general. That movie is what started our career. And, you know, it went on to, you know, 936 Mafia and the Mafia and all that's worth, you know,

hundreds of millions now. But that's what started it all, $4,500. Me and Jucy put, you know, 22, 5 together each. No, split it and made that album. Is it crazy for you guys to ever just like, do you guys ever, you and Jucy just ever have a moment alone where you guys look at each other and just laugh because of where you guys came from and how the odds were stacked against you and how you guys scraped up $2,200 each to put

towards this goal and it's turned into this huge, just amazing legacy. Yeah, man, him never really did that, but I've done that, you know, with some other people listening to and just, you know, just thought about it. Like, I have this conversation a lot of times with like my best, best, friends from my neighborhood that I grew up with. Yeah. And they'd be like, especially my friend, little Larry, he can't stop talking about it. He's like, man, I remember when you.

That's how he talked. Man, I remember you right, man. Man, when you used to ride around that, man, that's, man. Paul, Paul, you remember when you used? He reminds me of stuff that, that, that, Paul, you remember when you used to be trying to sell them taste. You had a little brown bag. They're a little brown bag.

That little brown bag with that taste in trying to sell them tapes at school. You remember that? You remember that? I'd be like, yes, Larry. I remember that he's drunk It's two in the morning He can't stop talking about all this shit I was like yes Larry

I remember when I had my mama's brown makeup bag I feel like friends like that Are so essential though To kind of humble us Yeah well to remind us of shit that we did Yeah Because he also reminded Man you remember you got drunk that time

And I'm like shut up Larry I got to go I got to sleep I love that So 2000 you guys drop Sipping on some scissor And that's when I, I think late night tip, sipping on some sizurp and what, there was, then your album after that, 2005 is kind of like when I became a huge 36 fan because I was on the West Coast. So the Southern rappers that I listened to were Outcast, Eight Ball, MJG, and you guys. And I mean, you guys took the world by storm.

And this was before anything was viral. How did you guys manage to do that? How did you guys manage to take this from Memphis and spread it all the way across the world? Well, how it happened was it was about the timing. It was about the timing of, like I was just talking about, the cassette tapes that I sold at high school. Yes. Because what happened was, you know, if I wouldn't have been in school, none of this wouldn't happen. If I would have been graduated and I was out, none of this wouldn't have.

happen the school was my distribution wow and the timing of it see remember what you said earlier i was in the 10th grade when i started so 10 11 grade 12th grade you graduate and you go to college so the school was my distribution did you go to college hell no okay i wish i would have because i performed at college just a lot and man it looked like they have a lot of fun yeah yeah but no i didn't go to college but my music went to college gotcha they took those old cassette tapes with them to college. And I would get, I would get calls or running. I still today, I run it to people,

it would be like, man, I took your cassette tape to college and my roommate stole it. I was so mad that motherfucker. I couldn't get it back until I go back to Memphis and go to the stereo store. I would get my cousin to mail me one to the college, but they would take those old tapes to college with them. Roommates are still them,

and then they would go back to where they was from. And then they would let those people hear it, And then it would get duplicated and duplicated and it just spread all over the world. That's amazing. Take me to 2005 when you guys drop the most known unknown. What were you guys doing during that era? Because you guys just didn't miss at all. Like that was like, I don't know, that was like where it just fucking exploded for you guys.

Yeah. Well, that was when we really started to, that was when, you know how we talked about earlier. about not being deserving of something, feeling that way. Yeah. Well, that was at the point where I had just bought my first Rose Royce. And I was like, I'm like, okay, all right. Now I see what life's about. I had just built my first big house.

At an 8,000 square foot house that I built designed like a castle. And I was like, man, okay, now I'm living life. Because that was my first big house. Right. I started building that in 2000. 2002 and I finished it in 2004 we recorded that album in 2004 I was making a lot of beats you know in that process and I even record I even made the beat rather to stay flies remakes that featured a slim duck Houston a trick daddy and a few guys on it I made that

beat at that house in the theater room that was the only thing I was the only thing ever did in that theater room because don't ever put a theater room in your house they never get used ever they just for kids we've had a couple and they've never got never get never get used they look cool but you never use them i just i always went to sleep in it the only thing they ever came out of their room was making that beat oh so the stay fly uh remakes beat so that's when i started really seeing what what life's about i had a house in florida I bought a house in Destin, Florida. Did FTV Cribs at it if y'all want to watch that MTV Cribs episode.

Yeah. And man, we was living life, man. Juce had got a May bag, this and that. And, you know, everybody had nice cars. Everybody in the group crunching, had like four cars, two houses on the same street. Everybody was, they even bought this baby mama house on the same street as hell. We was living life. Yeah.

And, man, we just went in. And I was like, man, we can't stop this. And we just went in and just. made a, you know, super dope album. Yeah, it was amazing. I remember popping my collar was my shit because I was working, you know, I was an escort back in Vegas. I was a high, high-priced call girl.

So fucking pop in my collar was my shit. Who had the pimp themes in the 3-6 mafia? Was that influenced from your childhood or was that all of you guys? Yeah, my brother was an actual pimp. Okay, gotcha. I had a brother that was an actual pimp. Gotcha. Yeah, he got killed being a pimp.

Oh, rest of peace. And so, yeah, I grew up, I grew up in that, too. Okay, gotcha. When I said I grew up around organized crime, I basically did. All of it. Well, I mean, you can't have drug dealing without hookers and blow either, you know? So it's like, it all goes hand in hand. Yeah, it does.

But, yeah, that was my shit. I was popping my collar, popping my collar. Everywhere, everywhere I'd go to, I'd drive to, like, you know, sit my appointments and shit and be bumping three-six. It was my shit. Yeah, and if you, yeah, if you was in that. in that life, and you knew that a lot of Memphis people was in the pimping.

Yes, absolutely. Memphis has so many pimps, man. That was the thing back there. So many gold teeth. It was a different lifestyle, too. You know, like, it's not like it was, it's not like it is now. Like, people always say that I glamorized that life,

but it's not that I glamorize it. It's the life that I lived. And it made me a lot of fucking money. And like, yeah, there are downsides to every fucking sort of street thing that you could possibly do. but there was also some good that came out of it for me. And I always, I don't try to glamorize it,

but I do try to tell the truth about it, you know. And it was a different time in life. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was completely different. Yeah, it was. You know, like, I grew up doing a lot of crazy shit, too, that, you know, I wouldn't glamorize or talk about it.

I guess I do with the raps. Yeah. But, you know, like, in a way. But, you know, I just noticed that a lot of people that I know that came from bad things and they passed, I know a lot of people that's doing the ones. that survive, they're doing really, really good now. Absolutely. We're all in our healing.

Like if you look at Master P, Matt's P came from, you know, crazy shit, crazy shit, you know, like, you know, and I do it worth hundreds of millions, you know, hundreds of millions because what I think it is is you get a different knowledge going through shit in the streets

that a school could never teach you. Yes, I know people that went to, when you asked me to go to college, I say, hell not, because I know some people that went to college that ain't doing nothing right now. Absolutely. I always say, street smarts over book smarts.

Like book smarts are a necessity for if you're going to work a regular job and if you're going to like, you know, be a CEO of like a financial place. But like if you, in life, the school of Hard Knocks is going to teach you the most lessons. Yeah. Yeah. Even in the music business, some people that I know that taught themselves music or this or that versus some people I know that went to school for music, they're in two different worlds. Yeah, absolutely.

Two different worlds. It's just because hustle can't be taught or hustle can't be bought, you know? And it's like school, you're essentially learning from somebody else. But like in the streets, it's hands on. It's sink or fucking swim. Nobody's out there to save you. So you're going to have to, it's kill or be killed. You have to figure it out yourself.

Yeah. And you learn more from pain. School don't teach pain. Yeah. Pain is the quickest way to learn anything. That is a beautiful. Like, yeah, you get hit in the mouth, and you be like, God damn, I should have blocked. Next time, I'm going to block because that shit was not cool.

Yeah, absolutely. But that's a beautiful. They should have probably had that to school. Just walk around and they're back. But, you know, it wasn't school back in the day. I got a lot of weapons. Yes, I've gotten spanked by the principal before. Have you guys ever gotten spanked?

Oh, no. Oh, fuck. Man, they're going to call the police. No, yeah. I've gotten spanked. I had a principal who was able to spank kids. Me too. I couldn't imagine that.

Mr. Chambers. Yeah. Mr. Chambers, man, that motherfucker, man, he was the coolest dude in the world. He was tall, handsome. He looked like, he looked exactly like Lawrence Fishburn. Oh, wow. And he was walking in him. He always had a mean face.

And, like, you had to really do something really fucked up for him to come. And this and that. So, like, they pressed that button. I'm like, Mr. Chambers, uh, Paul is acting up again. I need you to come over here. He show up to that. though come in for God he said you know it's going to be trouble and I got to make house calls that's what he said you know it's trouble I got to make house calls he was a comedian boy and he was

he will whoop you in front of everybody oh not in front of everybody not in the hallway right there pull them pants up in the back so it's tight pull them pants up man he'll ask you which one you want like the strap for the hand or the paddle with the butt yes and this nigga this nigga constructed a pedal that was worse. He put holes in it. Oh, he wanted it to catch the wind. Yeah, so, man, and then it sucked in a little bit more, I think, because of the holes. Man, he was like, which one bar got?

Hand of the butt. Oh, God. So, man, he would be right there in front of everybody. But this is the funny story. My daddy owned a pest control company. And one day, my daddy got called to go to this dude's house. man we showed up to this house I like mid-century modern houses

we showed up to this house nice one-level mid-century modern house in the hood though but it was the nicest house on the street I'm like man this is a nice house this and that's the only reason I went with my daddy because I like to see houses like I told you it's the 65-year-old

white woman inside of me I'm walking home like man it's a nice landscaping he got right here that's a nice house man next thing I know the door is opening it was his ass I said what I said I said daddy I said

this is the nigger I was telling you about this is my principal this is who be whoopin me man we walk in that his house is nice pimped out he got the big screen TV where you pull a drawer out and the head the green white

and now the green red and blue lights that shined up on it the old projector screen who knew principals were getting paid that good yeah I'm like man this nigga You're probably a drug, though. Listen, that, man, house was nice. Big screen TV.

I'd never seen a big screen TV in person. That's crazy. Man, you know, it was just a funny story. Did your dad go in there and say anything to him or just acted like it was business as usual? Not that I remember. I don't think he said.

I could imagine sending my kids to school now and letting somebody spank them, though, because you can't trust motherfuckers. Back in the day, it was a different trust. It would run you crazy these days, but I swear it helped. No, no, for sure. And all of the bus stop fights, the ditching, the fucking, yeah, all of it. Bring it back.

Can we go back? I swear, I live in nostalgia, dude. Like, I just love the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. I think it was just perfect. So after you guys dropped the album in 2005, it went gold in six months, correct? That was the one in 1997. Oh, that one was 1997? 1997, our first major album.

Okay. So our first major album, we got our first major album. when we got our first record deal, my first major, in our major distribution deal, 97, that album would tell the club up on it went gold in six months.

And that was the album that I made the bet. And it was like, man, I think y'all gonna go gold. And I was like, no, I don't think so. And I made a bet with one of my friends. And in six months, it ended up going to go. It wasn't Larry, was it? He didn't make the bet with Larry. I can't remember who it was.

I'm just kidding. It probably was him. though, be honest. And it went gold, and I couldn't even believe it. I was like, what? And we got that gold plaque and, man, I got one for everybody I knew. Did you feel like some sort of

accomplishment when you finally did that? Yeah. You were getting recognized. Yeah. What did the 2005 album do? If that one went gold. Oh, the 2005 album, that album sold, like $6 million. Okay. Yeah, that one was like.

Sold, sold. Was that platinum? Does that equal platinum? Platinum is $1 million. One million? Okay. Yeah, it went $1 million immediately. Wow, okay. I mean, even the singles,

stay flying all the singles and side to side. All of them went platinum. That was easy. Yeah. Yeah, it was. That album, yeah, it sold like $5 or $6 million. It was.

During this time was whenever you guys were doing the soundtrack for Hustle and Flow, too, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we did that too. So all of this came back to back. You know, we had the most now. And see, it was funny how it worked

because we had made all those other hours By this point, 2005, we made our first gold album in 97. So by the time we had another album that came out and went, the Sivin on Sizzler album was in 2000, it went platinum. Okay. You know, and it ended up selling, you know, probably two or three million copies. So then we had another album that went gold, the unbreakables. So by the time 2005 happened, you know, I already got, you know, five or six plaques on the wall.

yeah and but we i was like nobody still knew who we was i should have kept it that way but i was fucking dreaming and that's why i had to watch what i wish for right yeah i had to watch what i think about because i would really bring shit into into existence yeah you manifest yeah you manifest and and i named that album the most known unknowns and i was like we're known but we're not known i said it at the beginning of the album and i started playing all of the hits we had like for slob on the knob. I started scratching all to the club. The whole intro was me scratching all of our songs,

like beating it in people's heads of all the hits we had. And then next thing I know that fucking album come out and every song on that album was a hit. Literally. And then after that album, the next year we went to Oscar. And now we're the most sonny like, y'all the most Google thing in the world. And I'm like, uh-oh, what did I do?

What did I do? that you wish that you guys would have stayed unknown why do you wish that well you know being popular man it's not it's not cool it's not for the week that's for sure yeah it's not cool like

you know back on our very first album that album not to keep bringing up that football that's right behind your head that's for sale on three six my viewmerge.com this football right here and not to keep bringing that up this one right here

yeah yeah but that album right there, we wore mask on the cover. And that's what I wish we would have kept doing. Okay, so people hadn't seen your faces, though? They hadn't seen our faces after that album. Okay. But as far as that album, they hadn't seen our faces.

Okay. And that's something I wish we would have kept doing. Like, I used to look at groups like kiss, an insane clown posse. Slip-knit. Yeah. I just be like, man, I can't imagine how nice it would be to be rich, but nobody recognized you. I didn't

recognize Gene Simmons. He came in the club one night and got a dance for me and my best friend Tasha and I didn't recognize him. He kept telling me he was Gene and I didn't believe him until he licked my back with his long-ass tongue. Yeah, Gene Simmons licked my back and me and Tasha and I was like, you

are. Like I didn't recognize him until he stuck that fucking long-ass tongue out dude because they had their faces covered all the time. Yeah, man. And that's that's, that's the I used to live down the street from Jane Simmons in L.A. I passed his house every day. I used to see his wife and the kids up at the Italian restaurant that we all used to eat at.

It's got to be the tallest family in the world. Tall. The wife is tall. The kids are tall. Yeah. I'd be sitting down and eat myself again. I'm like, oh, a little bit. Oh, I love it.

Well, yeah, I wish we would have kept wearing the mask because, you know, like I said, to have money, but nobody recognize you. I can't imagine how it would be the equivalent of being an invisible person. Right. Like an invisible person walking this room right now,

which I'm sure is probably a couple in here. Yeah. A visible person, it would be like that. It's like Clark Kent and Superman. Yeah. You know,

like you get to have two personas. Yeah. Which I don't know how nobody never, I just watched Superman the other day. And I'm like, how didn't I know, he just put on glasses?

They just put on glasses. It was the tux. It was the bulge. It distracted all the girls. Yeah, exactly. They just didn't know. Yeah. Have you watched the story of him?

No. Of Superman or of like Christopher Reeves? Christopher Reeves. A little bit. The new one that's out? No, I have not seen the new one. It's a new one that just came out. Man, it's so good.

Is it good? I'll watch it. It's really good to tell his whole story, his whole life. And it's really good. I just hate how it ended for him. Yeah. That's like brutal. But he was, you know, he was really, he really was like a Superman.

Yeah. No, he was a good dude. He flew planes. he did everything in real life he was real active yes no he was really active nobody has anything bad to say about him like he was just a really good human i hate when bad things happen to good humans yeah so has three six mafia ever really officially broken up like no there's never been like an announcement of you guys like breaking up it's just always you guys doing your own projects or like yeah we just split we just started doing solo stuff members leaving and stuff

like that yeah what's your relationship would you see now are you guys still close yeah we're still touring yeah we started back touring for the first time in september of 2019 okay it was the first show we had did together since 2012 right yeah so we've been touring ever since then back together we got a tour coming up uh this this uh summer and uh we got for the first time in april we got Coachella. Oh, that's going to be, that's going to be iconic because now the newer generation of kids are going to get to see you and they're going to latch on to you, dude. Oh, yeah, they've been doing it.

Yeah. Every since we took. TikTok, you guys are insane on TikTok, dude. Yeah, it'd be going crazy. Those songs will be going viral. Yeah. I'm sitting up, I'm looking at TikTok and I see like a 19-year-old white girl like, we're going to fucking in the back of the bus and feel her nose up full of their dust.

I'm like, God, damn it. Yeah. God damn. It's crazy. How does it feel to influence just generations of kids? I mean, even like kids that are kids now, you're like, it's just generation, generation, generation. And then all of these young artists, too. Yeah, well, you know what it is?

I read something the other day that said, well, everyone the other day was last year. But I think I'm still living in 2024. That's how you know we're getting old when we say the other day and it was last year. Yeah, the other day was like 10 years ago. But last year I saw something that said that the kids that like I don't know what generation they are, but the age that our kids are will listen to like the music that we liked. Yeah. Just like we like, that we listen to music that our parents like.

Yeah. So, you know, like I'm a huge fan of, you know, the Stax musicians because I grew up in Memphis. My mom listened to a lot of Stax music. So I like that. And, you know, kids these days, like, you know, like my music, because their parents was listening to, you know, my music or whatever. Yeah. When I saw, when, when Cardi B and Offset first started dating, I saw them at, I saw them at, I saw them at the breakfast club in New York. I was going on after Cardi B. Cardi B was in there doing, this was when she first came out. And Cardi B was doing her interview and I was sitting in the lobby talking to offset and I was said was like he's like man

how y'all come up with that tripling flow the triplet flow and I was like man that was that was lord influence like man he's like man my mama used to listen to uh three six mop by all the time and I was like damn I was like you're making me feel oh no niggas you make me feel oh but uh but it was it was so funny to hear that you know he liked us because his mama listen to us no it's wild it's just it's the the lure with you guys like I've said a couple of couple times during this podcast just runs so deep. So you guys both want, you guys all won an Oscar and an Academy Award. Is that the same thing?

The same thing. It is the same thing. The Academy Award is like the, let's just say, the event. The Oscars the actual award. Gotcha. I've always got that confused. I've never understood what that was. And then so you guys ended up winning the Oscar for the Hustle and Flow song,

Hard Out Here for a Pimp, before winning the Grammys. Yeah, we won an Oscar. you're way before we won a Grammy. Yeah. Still today, Three Six, Mopjeet never won a Grammy. Really? I'm the only person in Three Six Mopi that won a Grammy.

Wow. Okay, I didn't know that. Because you've won four Grammys, though, right? Yes. If you include songs that read, that's remakes of ours, five. Right.

Because we just won again with, with Chris Brown's album. Yes. I just saw you post about that. A week ago, whatever. Yeah. But in 2020 With Cardi B

But But the actual To get the actual actual actual trophy Yeah I was I'm the only person in Three Sixth Mafia They got one I won it with Killer Mike Yes With Killer Mike

The year that we were there Right? Yeah yeah I was there Yes I remember that Yeah yeah That's amazing So tell me when you finally win that Grammy Because I know for every artist

my husband's the same way. It's like you guys all want that Grammy. Like it just means so much to you guys. When you finally get that in your grasp and now you have five, how does that feel? Man, it feels amazing, man. You know, like, because it's something, when I won the Oscar, I didn't even know what the Oscar was.

Yeah, I still don't. Yeah. So, but I was, you know, I was, you know, it was a blessing, you know, so happy to have that. But when I won a Grammy, I was like, oh, my God, you know, because, you know, as musicians, we look forward to the, to the Grammy. Yeah. You know, so it was, it was great, it was great getting that.

And it's hard. People don't realize how hard it is to win a Grammy. That's really hard. There's some people who go their entire careers and never get a Grammy. They'll get nominations if they're lucky, but never get Grammys. And you have five. Like, that speaks volumes for your talent. Thank God it happened.

What's one thing that you've learned about the longevity in this game? let's talk about like your sobriety and stuff like that too so you want me to mix the two together you want to talk about separately I'm sorry right now I am a year and three months sober yes you know no weed no drugs no not even vitamins like yeah I'm the cleanest I've ever been in my whole life I was never into vitamins and pills and all of that

thank God I think about it would have got into the whole peel world i'd probably be dead right you know but thank god the hardest drug i ever did was cocaine and uh not saying that's not a hard one that's a pretty hard one but that's that's that's that's that's as big as it ever got for me yeah you know um i stopped that long long long ago of alcohol uh year year in three months but now i did take my breaks you know i've i've been off alcohol for like four years at one point almost four years at one point like 2019 20 you know this and that all that i think i started back drinking like 2021 some part of 2021 but like about four years up to that three and a half years up to that i was sober too yeah and uh

i got to say man it's the best thing i ever did in my life yeah sobriety's hard i tell everybody it's the hardest but most rewarding journey that you'll be on like sobriety does suck when you're first coming off of everything because I got sober on the Yellow Wolf tour in 2017 off pills and cocaine alcohol in 2018 been sober ever since it's a really hard journey because you have to get to know yourself and you have to learn to cope with things that you've always numbed you know and it's not easy but once you get past that hump it is like thinking about even snorting a line makes me want to fucking crawl in a hole like I could never anymore like once you get that far away from it, you're just like, how was I this person before?

Yeah, well, I don't think like that when I think about cocaine. I kind of miss cocaine, but I would never do. You sound like my husband. I would never do cocaine again in my life. I mean, you can't with fentanyl. No, you can't. I just read today on the way over here that Corey Feldman's a drummer just died from Fendell.

Oh, no. Yeah, they just announced it today. Oh, shit. Yeah. you can't do cocaine no more. Thank God we got off of it when we did because, you know, that's what killed boo. Yeah.

Yeah, so. What was the pivotal moment for you wanting to get sober? Man, I just, of cocaine or alcohol? Both, both. Cocaine, I just got sick of waking up with headaches and stopped up noses. I hate a stopped up nose more than anything in the world. The bloody boogers that come out to. Yeah, I hate that shit, man.

Blowing your nose. Yeah. Fucking comment come out. I hate that Yeah it's gross That alone If I never got stopped up nose I'd probably still be getting high

No But I didn't like that I didn't like the headaches I didn't like feeling like shit Because the thing about cocaine You feel so good when you're doing it And you part in And then the next day you wake up

You're like Oh god What the fuck happened So When I think about cocaine I just think about people poop in their pants Okay Because you cannot do a line of cocaine

And not have to take a shit Yeah you got to take shit Have to. You just got to be close to a bathroom. And baby wipes. Yeah. Close to a bathroom. Yeah.

That's probably why people do so much cocaine in bathrooms. Literally so they can take a dump right after. As soon as that drain hits. Yeah. Ugh. So the reason why I got just all the way, all the way clean, it's just because with, with alcohol, man, you just make so many bad decisions. Yeah. So many bad decisions.

decisions, you know, like, it's not wrong with drinking alcohol, you know. I don't want people to think that, you know, just getting fucked up is when the bad shit come in. You only have a couple of drinks, this and that, that's fine. But I never got to that point. I tried it. We've all tried it. Like, I'm just going to go have a couple.

Yeah. And then, man, next thing you know. Because what happened is somebody will be like, oh, man, you want to go over here. Let's go over here. We'll just have, after dinner, we'll just have like one drink, watch the game, one Then they see you know it's three in the morning that one drink then turned to the 100 drinks Well our generation is binge drinkers yeah yeah we did there was no it we were just trained to go TG always you know yeah so that's when the problem kick in so you know like next thing you know

know somebody's calling you the next day like hey man I'm we gonna be over at that same bar tonight if you want to come back like who is this I got your number last night you remember me man we was hanging out and this and that everybody's your friend when you're drunk Yeah, especially my husband. Yes, I know. And see, I'm the type of person that I don't like making new friends. Yeah. I'm in the process of my life of getting rid of friends. So, like, making new ones is the last thing that I possibly won't.

And, like, drinking, you just like, you know, made, you know, gay, this person, your number, and now he's calling you and he wants to hang out some more, and this and that. And you just, just so many, just wrong, bad decisions. And you miss stuff. You missed stuff. Like I had a, I was talking to a big, a big producer who was going to put me on the phone with an even bigger producer one day. This one that long ago. This is like two years ago about making a TV show based on my life.

This guy actually got big TV shows on Netflix as we speak. And I missed the call because I was drunk. I said God damn it And you know how Hollywood is Yeah It's like I'm pauses there's no problem

We'll just set up another call Shit Never got that other call set up Yeah And I was like man you know what You know what That just cost me But you know

At the same time I don't regret it Because It's a million people out here Want to do that with me So I and they just It just wasn't God didn't want me to do it

With them maybe Or whatever the case was Yeah the universe Always intervenes Yeah nothing wrong with them. I wish I would have did it with them. But at the same time, it's like, you know, he didn't want me to do it with them. Yeah.

You know, so I'm going to have to do it with, you know, it would just do it with somebody else or do it another time with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he just didn't want me to do it with them at that time because I wasn't clean and I probably just got on said and fucked it up. Yeah. Or something. So maybe he'll listen to this podcast and circle back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Put it in the air. Yeah. So, uh, I missed that call. And I was like, man, this. And I only missed it by like 30 minutes. But that's, that's too long for a big, a big producer, you know.

So, uh, I was like, man, you know, you just alcohol, just have you just, you just miss too much stuff. Mm-hmm. My thing is, is I can't deal with the fucking three-day hangovers, dude. Yeah. Um, and the older you get, too, your mental health gets affected by it. And I'm just like, I can't afford to not feel like myself for three days. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's how I happen because somebody told me, like, man, you know, when you, when you, you, when you, when you, when you, when you hit 40, hangovers are three days and boy i wouldn't be damn if the day on my birthday i saw that shit it's like three days yeah if you're lucky yeah you're lucky no for sure so i want to circle back to the question that i i lumped in with your sobriety um what's the one thing you've learned about longevity in the in this game in this whole genre of life um man it's about just as it's about just teaching yourself something new. Always educating yourself on something new about life. Excuse me, about life. Like, I read this book that changed my life in a lot called Atomic Habits.

Atomic Habits is a great book. And it teaches you about just preparing yourself. You know, like, it would be like, if you're the type of person that's, there's late for work, because you want to eat breakfast in the morning, start preparing your stuff the night before. You know, like maybe cut up your vegetables, put them in a little in a Tupperware container or whatever and have all it ready to go. So the next morning you just crack your eggs, throw them in there, scramble them up, make your taco or burrito, whatever you want to make, and keep it moving. You eliminated the most time-consuming part, cutting up vegetables.

Everybody hate cutting up vegetables. Wolfgang Puck don't even cut vegetables. You got a sous chef for that. Yeah. So, you know, like, and then it says, like, if you want to make a habit of going to the gym every day or three, four times a week or whatever, like, even if you're late and you're not going to, you're only going to be able to spend 10 minutes in the gym, that's not going to, you know, you're not going to gain no muscle or nothing in 10 minutes, but just go do it

anyway because you're building the habit. Yes. of going, the consistency. So that book right there changed my life a lot. You know, just got to stay consistent in whatever you do, you know, to the point. And it hurts me sometimes. I'm so consistent with shit. I feel like we're always learning, though.

And you can never stop learning. When you think you know everything, that's when you're not living. Yeah. I feel like there's always a lesson to be learned in something. I know I learned shit every fucking day still. I went to look at one day I was in Beverly Hills. I was looking for this, this, I was looking at this condo that I wanted to buy. And it was for sale by a doctor.

And when I went in this condo, I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought, I thought it was photoshopped. This main condo was so clean. Now, everybody's going to clean their house when somebody's coming to look at it. But I got a feeling that this dude lives like this. Oh, like it's like a mazoleum. This dude is this clean. I want him to do my checkups because shit.

This dude right here is a perfectionist. This is a thorough. Man, when I went in his closet, he only had four suits exactly the same. Four pair of shoes exactly the same. Five, five, four or five shirts exactly the same. Just hung up. Organized to the tea. No extra shit nowhere.

But this was really tripped me out. When I went in his bedroom, he didn't have a TV. on the wall. The whole floor to ceiling, wall to wall was bookshelves. Nothing but books. And I was like, at night, this dude read books when he goes to sleep. He don't watch

TV. He's sitting up watching a Jeffrey Dahmer documentary like I am. He's reading a book. It might be about Jeffrey Dahmer, who knows. But he's reading a book. And I was like, man, yeah, I saw something that it said that

that billion, all billionaires read a certain amount of books a year. Books is where it, man. I was never in the books. And I still don't read books. I do. But, you know, I got the audible. I listen to books. You know, riding down the street, whatever you're doing, cleaning up.

I need to get back into it. A couple of years ago, I was into it like a motherfucker, but I fell off. It's hard. I'm just starting to get back into it. It's hard reading books. Like, I can listen to a book all day long. I love audibles, but when I sit down and actually try to, like, look and read a book, it's like I go back to that little girl in sixth grade who just couldn't focus.

And like, it's like, I can read something, but my mind won't attain it. Me too. Yeah, so it's like I have to listen to it. I'm the same way. Some people just like that. Like, oh, growing up, if I got a new keyboard and it came with, you know, an instruction manual, I didn't read that. I just had to have somebody come on my house who already had.

that keyboard and show me what to do because I can read I know how to read I can read really good but just can't obtain it I'll forget in a second yeah same I'll forget in a second so like these days you know all night I'm watching tutorials on YouTube you know about this drum machine and this turn table and this and that we call a YouTube university I'm always anything I can't figure out how to do I just pull it up yeah how do you work And it's a YouTube video on that. I'm going to watch everyone. I mean, one thing I noticed,

one thing I noticed is you'll see somebody that I have like 100,000 views on this keyboard or drum machine or whatever you're trying to make, you know, a grilled cheese sandwich. A hundred thousand views and it'll be somebody that got 1,000 views. That person with the 1,000 views are have the most, here I have the sweet spot of what I was really looking for.

Yeah. No, I love that too. Yeah, I do that too. I notice people's numbers and then you go to like watch their, you know, video or whatever it is and they always have the better information as opposed to the bigger one. Yeah, because sometimes the guys with the most information, I mean, with the most views, rather, have the less information because they're trying to sell it to you. Right.

They're like, hey, and if you want to learn more, I got a link right here, go right here. They're pointing it and it ain't even popped up yet. I'm like, what are you pointing it? And then after a while, a little picture, a smaller picture of him will point out. I got a one that you can go here and watch if you want to see how to do this. I'm like, that's the reason why I watch this one. Yeah. Because I want to see.

So then you click on that one. Then like, if you really want to learn more, you go right here. Then you click on that one. If you really want to learn more, you go to the link down below. For $30 a month, I'm like, okay, here we go. I just watched 10 videos to figure this out. You should have just told me you wanted $30. I didn't get you $30 minutes ago.

No, I feel that. And now they do that on TikTok too. It drives me fucking crazy. you have worked with so many artists you've worked with pretty much I mean the list could go on everybody everybody is there anybody that you haven't worked with that you want to work with it would have to be somebody outside of rap because I've worked with everybody in rap

so it will have to be man I would just have to think because it would be somebody in like a totally different space Like, it would be something about it like tears for fears or some shit. Or like EDM. Have you done EDM? Yeah, a ton of EDM. Really?

It was kind of made off my sound. Wow. In a way. I did the first EDM rap record before it was even a such thing as the word edium. Really? Yeah, it was called feel it. And I filmed a video in 2009 in Vegas. Where were you at?

2009, I was in Vegas. Yeah, you should have kind of got in the video. Yeah. It was a, I'll go back in time and show up. Yeah, it was with DJ Tiesto. when nobody in America really knew who he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. DJTS though and Sean Kingston.

Sean Kingston wasn't even old enough to get in the club to shoot the video. So I had to rent a penthouse suite upstairs and bring some girls and we shot his scene in there. Yeah. Because he was a kid. Uh-huh.

And we brought out this song called Feel It. And the song went gold in Canada first. My first out-of-country plaque. Yeah. And the song didn't get no video play on nowhere with YouTube because MTV was like, we don't have nowhere to put this. We don't even know where genre this is.

It wasn't a such thing as the word, EDM did. Yeah. It was, and then BET wasn't going to play. It 1-06 and Park wasn't going to play it. And I was sitting up here like, you know, if it's not a box for something, you should just create the box. and they didn't. So the song never got no play.

But it end up starting something because, you know, Lil John and and, what's my boy's name? Liljohn and Party Rock. What's my boy's name? Party Rockers in the house tonight. Oh, LMFAO.

Yeah. They fucking. had the vision. Yes. They was like, oh, I see what they're trying to do here. Okay, let's just do it. Let's do this. Yeah.

And man, they came out with all them songs and, man, blew up. And I was like, see, Sony, this what I was trying to tell you, motherfucker. This was it. So you're pretty much the father of EDM. Yeah, with hip hop on it. I am. I love that. I am.

I was in Vegas one day over to Maloof's house for a Halloween party. Yeah. I still got the pictures in my phone. And I met with Afrojack. Oh, yeah. Afrojackhead did a song together, but it never came out. Now, the beat came out and it blew up. I heard it in the club one night.

I was waiting for my verse to come on. I'm like, eh, I'm telling everybody. I'm like, hey, I'm on us. I'm on us. Like, next thing I know, you know, EDM songs, they last for 20 minutes. 15 minutes, then came by. I ain't heard myself yet.

I'm like, uh-oh. I'm like, where is my verse? And then I saw Averojack one day at the Malo's house. So I'm like, hey, man, what I'm happening? I was like, you never used that verse with it. And he was like, I didn't understand the hip-hop on pop music at that time. But now I understand it. We should go back.

I said, yeah, let's go to studio now, motherfucker. Let's do this. Like, we had something going. We had something going. I love it. Me and you, man, we had something going here. In so many words, he said, let's run it back. Yeah, and the next thing I know, you know, EDM came out and it was mixed with loops and chants,

just like my stuff was back in the day and, you know, it became huge. They have mastered the art of being rich, rich and going under the fucking radar. Like, they're never in fucking any trouble. They're never, like, in any bullshit. Well, you know why it's because they never get married. Right, yeah, literally.

They refuse to get married. Literally. They refuse to get married. Yeah, no, for sure. I see them every Christmas because every Christmas, I'm on with Adrian house. Yeah. Oh, I love that.

Yeah, I never got to meet Adrian, but the brothers. I definitely knew Yeah, Agent I love Asian man, she's so cool Yeah I've spent my We spend our holidays

Over Asian I love that That's really cool Yeah The Moulouse are great people So let's talk about your restaurant The Hideaway

Yeah The hideaway It's the only Restaurant on road Basically the only restaurant on rodeo drive 421 Rodeo drive The Hideaway

Go check it out It took us Forever to make their restaurant We started working on their restaurant in 2015, and we didn't open up to two years ago. Wow.

What took so long? Just licensing and permits? Permits. Beverly Hills was like, you know, we would show them stuff and they'd be like, that doesn't fit the aesthetics of Beverly Hills. What kind of cuisine is it? It's like upscale Latin. Okay.

Like we got like, you know, you can go there and get a Wagu Taco if you want to. We'll have to go check it. out next time we're out there. Yeah, you got to check it out, man. It's really good. The food's amazing. Everybody go there. I love it. All kind of celebrities be there because we got, we're in a courtyard so the paparazzi can't come in that courtyard. Yeah. And we got private VIP. You can go down underground and come up the elevator, straight to our restaurant. So like nobody see you coming to the restaurant if you don't want them to. You can go through the front, Alpha Rodale if you want to, or you

could come around the back from underground and, you know, and it's here. his head away. That's why we call it the hideaway. And, you know, but the permits and all it was a blessing in disguise because we were supposed to open up like February 2020 before anybody heard of COVID. Oh, during COVID. Or the pandemic. And, you know, we didn't get, we didn't get our clearances and all of that in time.

So we didn't open. And that was a blessing because we wouldn't be open now. We end up opening after all of that. Yeah. The universe always provides. always would you say that the restaurant business is probably one of the hardest businesses to be in yes yeah it's super hard yeah it's super hard you know it's a lot of work a lot of money coming to it you know because i had a restaurant with with these same guys and some other guys

in 2010 you know we was open for like six months and and it closed down you know like the guys called me one day they was like pa you know we got to close down the restaurant and they was like unless you want to keep it going because they knew I always wanted a restaurant. Like, do you want to keep it going? I'm like, how much is it? They was like, well, you know, without staff, just the rent on Sunset Boulevard at that time

was $20,000 a month. I'm like, uh, who do I get these keys to? Because we've been to close this motherfucker and damn. Yeah. Yeah, like, no, that was it. And then 15, five years later, we went back at it and it worked this time. I love that for you.

awesome I love that you always have your hands and stuff that you're not that you're always doing something different musically but you're also doing stuff outside of music yeah I do everything love that I spray myself too thin sometimes a lot of times because it's it that that stems from just my husband does it too and I think it's just you guys are just so excited to be where you're at and I mean now you've been in it for a long time but he does it too because he's just so excited and just wants to do it all and see it all and say he's done it so yeah and not just Just that, when you come from the hood like me and him do, you know, man,

man, jelly got a lot in common and people don't even know about it. Like, you know, our organizations and this and that, all our street shit and all this shit. But when you come from what we came from, you just want to take as many, you know, steps as you can not to go back to that. You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket. I would never put all my eggs in the music business basket. Like, no. Like, if music style, I don't even live off music, to be honest with you.

Like, I have so many other forms of income. I actually learned that from a lady in Nashville one day. I was out here recording Yellow Wolf, producing Yellow Wolf. And I was a pescatarian at the time. It was like 2019. I was a pescatarian, and I went to, I was still eating seafood with no meat. And I went to a seafood restaurant in Nashville. on the way to the studio.

And a black lady came in there. Older black lady came in there. And me and my brother, Phil, was sitting at the bar. And she was like, can you guys help me out with something? I'm buying my husband a laptop from Best Buy down the street. And I want to know what kind I should get. And I told her, I was like, I only use Apple, but, you know, you can get whatever you want. But that's what I use, blah, blah.

And my brother started talking to her because my brother got the bail bond business. He gave her the card. And he was like, you know, like, what are you doing? And she was like, you know, me and my husband, we own a bunch of different companies. She said, I read a long time ago that at all times you should have seven forms of income. It's like a rule. And I was like, oh, wow. And she was like, you know, we started out supplying drink machines for a big business.

And then I asked them, I was like, you know, who do your cleaning in the business? So we ended up picking up that account. And I was like, oh, who do the landscaping? So we ended up picking up that account. So just in that one bill that she picked up three forms of income right there. And she told me about the other four she had or whatever. I was like, man, that's a good idea. So I just started, you know, like seven forms of income.

Now I think I got 700. But I just went from that. It's not a bad thing, though. It's not a bad thing, though. So do you have new music coming out? Yeah. Okay. Next Friday.

Well, I don't know when this would be when you all bring this out. We'll drop this on Monday. Yeah, so, we'll drop in Sunday. Yeah, so this Friday, which would be like the 21st or something. Okay. Whatever this Friday is, I got a new single with Crazy Bone coming out from Bone Thugs. Yeah. Talked about that.

But the longest, 3-6, Ma'am, and Bone Thugs was rivals, long-time rivals. Actually, when Jay and I first got together, I'm a Bone Thugs girl. He's 3-6 guy, and he's like, don't ever talk about Bone Thugs in the house. Thank you for that, Julie. Thank you for that. His loyalty with you guys. Thank you very much. We, for real, got an argument one time

because I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I was like, it's both that. And he's like, no, bitch. You're in my house now. This is fucking, it's three, six all day long. So we was into it back in the day. And I don't know if you said our verses. We did versus like two, three years ago.

Yes, I did. I watched it. A physical fight on stage. That's when him and I got into that argument. Yeah. Was during the verses. Yeah, well, like, you know, like, and we, and us and bones, have been friends for years.

We did our first song together with Crazy Bone on the Project Pet album back in 1997. The beat started in like 93. You know, so we've been, you know, cool ever since then.

Bone is like my brother brothers. Like, I'm closer with some members of Bone than I am with actual family members. They're actually supposed to be coming on the podcast. Yeah, I love those guys, man. So, like, even when that happened,

that day, like some of us looked at each other like we charged at each other like like man I'm not going to hit you like I'm not going to hit you like no we're not going to hit you and we hugged you know we hugged so it's like I feel like busy is the one who pops it off all the time he did do that busy is who did it because everybody else man I see these dudes every day we got the same merch factory yeah like we go to work together we're co-workers but I had I had never I'd never really seen busy in real life except like in 1996 at the Atlanta airport.

Yeah. That was the only time I had ever seen him. They say he's really elusive. I met him one time and it was like meeting an alien. He just was like, he doesn't talk.

I don't know. He's just got a very different energy. Yeah, he don't really talk. He's real quiet. You know, he's really deep. You know, he's really deep with his thoughts and all that. You know, I like him.

You know, I'm a fan. He's really cool. And I like how he started it all. I like how he, started the verses he brought because i started it off you know we all friends with each other so i started off like oh man yeah man we've been to go on here for history and for the culture you know three six mafia and boom we're gonna have a good time and they're gonna do some songs and we're gonna do some songs bids and said fuck that he started a posting shit of him beating us up and shooting us and

killing us and i'm like oh we're playing prison rules now okay busy okay we go so i started I started posting stuff back. We would take each other heads and like put it on other little bodies from a movie or somebody get locked in a trunk or beat up or something. So he started it all. But it was good.

Yeah. Because he started really building it to be like a real, a real match, like a Mike Tyson. Like a real versus. You know, fight or something. Yeah, he built it up. He took it there.

So when we walked out on stage, you know, we was walking. shaking, hugging hands, and he was still in character. He was looking at me like, I'm like, okay, I thought this was just a publicity stunt, but I think this nigga is serious. So he didn't even shake no bad at hand. He was looking at him like, I'm like, okay,

this is going to be a fun night. You know, so I just, I got back in tune. He was looking at me mad. So I'm like, okay, if that's where you want to go, we can just go there, motherfucker. Like, I can do the mean, mad shit all day. Yeah. I was trying to be the nice dude,

but if you want to do that, then we can just do that. And this and that, so, you know, all night we was, you know, this and that mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad with him, you know. And the next day I know, he just hauled off and threw the bottle of water at a gangster boobs. He called us ugly first. He's like, man, you ugly motherfuckers. And this and that, I was like, okay, man called another man ugly, but okay, I get it, you pretty. You got long hair. I don't have long hair.

I used to have long hair. I don't have long hair tomorrow. But, you know, so he called us ugly. And then he threw the water bottle against the boo. So then I ran up to, you know, to block them and protect them. But I wasn't going to go over there and hit him. You know, I wasn't going to hit him. I wasn't going to hit nobody in that group because I'm cool with everybody in that group.

So I just really just ran up just to like stop this dude. But then, you know, next day I know my boys behind me kept running. They didn't stop because they don't hang out with them. So then they ran. And next day I know, you know, people start punching. and this and that and we broke it up. Was it still all for publicity or was it real on business? No, that was real.

Wow. Yeah, that was real. That was probably one of the most iconic verses, though. Man, it was people backstage with black eyes. Yeah, it was real. Holy shit. Yeah, it was real. That wasn't no, they wasn't a, it was real.

And then they said to him backstage, he stayed backstage for a while to calm down, and we continued it. And then he walked back on stage. He walked straight over to me. You know, he apologized. And he was like, man, you know, that was just, I was like, man, I'm not tripping, bro. You're like, we're all family here. We all hugged out and then and then it's the first of the month, you know, we sung

the song together, the vibes was back good and backstage. Everybody was hugging and taking pictures. It was back cool. Me and Lazybone posted a picture backstage. It was hugging each other, smile. And it was on area. It was everyone. But if you, you know, it was one of the most iconic verses.

And it actually. It was the best verse of all time. Probably go down in history. So it was like, you know, whether Busy was just playing a character, we'll never know. It was kind of worth it. Yeah, man, it was super worth it. Man, shout out to Busy, man. You gave us the best verses of all times.

And I love you, brother. Let's work. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, it was great. You know, I was glad. I wouldn't take one minute of that back. Yeah. But the only thing, what was a little crazy about that moment is I'm looking in the audience.

and the audience kind of got divided. So like the Bone fans was on that side of the stage and the three six mafia fans was on this side of the stage. Right. So when the fight broke out, I saw little young dudes

jumping on stage. Right. From their side and from our side, like ready to fight fight. And I'm like, uh-oh. Like, somebody tell these young niggas that everybody on the stage

is about 50 years old and it's not that serious. It's not that serious. But I also. think what's cool about you guys reconnecting at the end and like squashing it and being able to perform together is it shows this generation who is so quick to pull a trigger like hey you guys can have beef it can actually turn into a physical altercation and you guys can still hug it out and be cool because that's how it used to be back in the day with us growing up you would fight

at the fucking bus stop fight at school fight wherever and then you would hug and you guys would either be friends or you guys would just never fuck with each other again yeah that's how that's how it's supposed to be. And I love the way, and it was such an iconic night man. It was so fun. Yeah, I love that. So you're doing a song with Crazy Bone. Yeah. Well, we're doing the whole album. Oh, okay. We got an album

that had come out the fall of this year, but we got a single that drops this Friday called I Go Dumb. And it's like on some 90s, you know, get crunk, get crunk, Memphis, you know, old DJ Paul type shit. And we got a whole album that's coming out. I'm kind of excited for that. But I got

a lot of albums coming out. So I got an album with me and Young Buck that's coming out. I've been known Young Buck forever. So we got an album coming out. And then I got a solo album coming out. And the album with me in Crazy Bone. And then just, I've been producing a lot of people. Like,

every day I'm doing something with different people. For somebody who doesn't like rapping, you're certainly dropping a lot of projects. Yeah, yeah. Well, because I like to, like I said, I like to make the music. But when I got to sit down and write to it. Yeah.

But the reason why I'm dropping so many projects this year is because, like I said, you know, reading, reading, even if I'm not reading a book, I follow, you know, listening to a book, I follow a lot of educational pages on Instagram. So, like, if I'm on Instagram, I love those. I'm not just on there looking at all of the crazy shit. Yeah, me. I actually started unfollowing some of the pages. I started all the pages that were showing people fighting.

I stopped following all of those. Yeah, you don't want to bring that energy in your life. Yeah, I start following all that. But, you know, just watching, you know, news in Memphis and L.A. is, or bring it right back into you. But some of it, you got to know. Like when you told me about jelly through his phone in the river. Like, I get it.

But sometimes some stuff you want to hear, especially in Tennessee. Because if they announce a tornado. jelly we probably want to start getting away from here yeah no the way my husband is thinking about it he's like somebody on my team will tell me like he really is like I don't give a fuck what's going on online he's like I'm living my life and nobody's going to bother me yeah that's the best way like as long as he got a wife like you or somebody on the team you can do that but like if you don't have nobody like that's kind of dangerous yeah for sure it's kind of dangerous so when I'm on social media, I'm looking at, I'm looking at, I got, I follow a lot of pages on educational

stuff, food, homes, whatever, whatever. And I saw, I saw someone on that one day that talked about procrastinating and, you know, and just like, and I sent us to all of the artists who I knew where this guy was talking about, you know, just sitting on music, sitting on music. I'm like, man, I'm sitting on so much music. And I'm like, man, I'm sitting on so much music. And I'm I'm like, you know, I'm not going to do that this year. So I set up, it took about a week. I set up and I took all of my hard drives back all away from 2008. And I just started putting all these beats and songs and song ideas on one hard drive.

And then I made copies of that hard drive. It came out to be thousands of files. I had to scale it down to the hundreds. Then I scaled it down to like my favorite maybe 10 beats. for a buck, 10 beats for Crazy Bone, and 10 beats for a Paul album, and like another 10 for a Paul solo, just instrumental album. And, um, and that's, and now I'm just, I'm getting to it. And I told myself that starting this Friday, I will bring out a new song every two to three weeks for the rest of this year. Hell yeah. I'm also excited, though, because you said

you're bringing beats from 2008. Like, that's going to be like some OG. There's stuff in there from the 90s. DJ Paul shit. Yeah, yeah. That's exciting. Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's going to be a nostalgic. I can't wait to hear these projects.

Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to do this year, man. Just every two of you, y'all subscribe to my Spotify. Follow me on social media. Every two or three weeks, I'm going to bring something out. I don't care if it's just a, like we talked about earlier, about the musician bringing out just some music derived to. with nothing on it with no vocals on I might just bring out a few of those

I'm just going to bring out something do it I do it if anybody can do it it's you yeah in closing the last question I want to ask you is in 50 years when people talk about DJ Paul what do you want your legacy to be if you could see it

through your eyes and paint the picture for anybody what do you want them to remember about you man just just what I brought to the music industry like the whole creating crunk music obviously creating crunk music and and putting that whole energy uh that whole tear the club up fight music energy into uh into rap music you know that went on to go into into other kinds of music like when i listen to when you listen to some

of the drum patterns and those little dry snares that that i started Like, you hear that in country music these days. You hear that in all kind of stuff. Like, it's all over the place. Like, you hear it in so much. You hear it in EDM, you hear it in funk music, you hear it in everything. So, like, this whole, like, little dirty, little distorted bass sound that I was playing around with as a kid is all over the place right now.

and just that just my contribution to to music you know do you feel like you've gotten your flowers enough of course good I used it in until I made their most known unknown album that's a little too many flowers so yeah yeah I get it enough good you know some people always be like oh man you never get mentioned and mentioned and us and that but they just don't know like I really don't like getting mentioned yeah I'm like cool Like, I like to fly under the radar. Like, you know, give me my awards and, you know, and this and that. And, you know, you can shop me out here and there.

But I don't need a, I don't want a lot of attention. I never wanted a lot of attention. I'm still a dude that go around with no security. And I'm fucking sitting up and Whole Foods reading the ingredients on the back of ketchup. Like, I don't want to be like known. Like, hey, man, that's you. You're the guy from three six mafia. I'm like, oh, God.

And I'm just trying to see okay with it. I'm telling him, like, you know, if it's at the top of the ingredients, there's more of it in here than anything else. So just so you know that. If it's at the bottom, then it's less of that. So like right here, it's that's a cane sugar that means it got, it's on the third row that means it got a lot of cane sugar. And so I'm all of that dude.

So Paul's in his peaceful era. Yeah. I'm just ready to watch HGTV, decorate houses, fucking just you're in your, peaceful era and we dig it yeah i've been like that yeah i love that thank you so much for coming on today thanks for having me i'm so glad we finally got to sit down yeah yeah it's been a long time but just it's all about timing yeah absolutely i truly believe in that so yeah you want to shout out your socials or just google dj paul or if you don't know yeah uh social media uh mostly all of them is ed dj paul K-O-M like in King of Memphis uh that's my YouTube subscribe to my YouTube I'm always

load some stuff on there the Instagram I do talk back to the fans my Twitter all of DJ Paul K-O-M Facebook whatever whatever yeah now I'm fin to start getting active on my my Twitch and my TikTok more you told me to start going to my TikTok I told you maybe always telling me to do Twitch I never touched my Twitch I went on on T-Pain's Twitch one day and you know, I automatically started getting a lot of followers just because they were like, man, this dude, it's funny. And they were just watching. So I got to start getting more active on the stuff, you will.

You'll do it. I feel like you've set a lot of goals for yourself this year, and I think you're going to crush it. It's only fucking February. Yeah. And you're already crushing it. Yeah. It goes fast, though.

Yeah. I don't even remember January. Yeah. No, well, I do. It was 84 days long. It fucking was never going to end. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Paul. And I can't wait to have you back. Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Dunblond. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.