Dumb Blonde - TBT: Dr. Anthony Youn

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Bunnie welcomes America's holistic plastic surgeon himself, Dr. Anthony Youn. He's here to spill the secrets on staying hot for life without going under the knife. From growing up in a tradit...ional Korean household to a few wild patient stories, and answering all your burning questions about everything from breast augmentations to tummy tucks—Dr. Youn's got the scoop on aging, nutrition, and stress reduction, along with with millions of fans on TikTok and a hot new book, "Younger for Life" on the shelves.Dr. Anthony Youn: Younger for Life | TikTokWatch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:30 So if you guys don't want to miss out and you want to be the first to know go over to our patreon www.dumblondunrated.com. Love you Is this being on bonnie who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast dumb blonde Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit and I was like I want to be super hot make a Lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child and here we are What's up babies welcome back to another episode of Dun Blonde today we have America's holistic plastic surgeon in the house, Dr. Anthony Yoon. What's up, baby, how are you?
Starting point is 00:03:07 Thank you so much for having me on the show. This will be a lot of fun. Dude, I am so stoked. I appreciate it. I'm so stoked to have you. My husband is even more stoked that you're here. That's awesome. I had no idea that he was such a huge fan of yours.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I did. You just told me this. I'm shocked. And I mean, it's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I his when he gave his his speech his talk at the CMAs and I guess great I mean I'm a fan myself it's crazy because he's like that at home and I'll be like who are you
Starting point is 00:03:34 preaching to I'm like it's just me and the kid here like you don't have an audience tone it down you know so he's that's literally what you see is what you get with him um so you are kind of like doing a podcast tour right now because you my my sweet sir are a Author yes. Yes, and you've written four books. Yes. So this is my fourth This is an anti-aging book called younger for life that I'm super proud of and I really appreciate that you're having me on today Absolutely. I'm so excited to dive into what this is and stuff like that. You have three other books. One of them is called The Age Fix, In Stitches, and Playing God.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Yes. So I actually wrote two memoirs about becoming a doctor and then becoming a plastic surgeon and kind of the craziness that happens, that ensues. And then I've written two anti-aging books, The Age Fix, and then this is my latest one. I mean, I need all the anti-aging tips that you can give me. You look like you're 12 years old. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:04:30 I love you, I said, do you wanna make out? Cause we can. So, okay, I definitely wanna talk about your, whenever you went to medical school, because one of those stories actually resonated with me, and we'll talk about that in a little bit, but let's talk about how you were influenced by your father to become a doctor and take me on that journey and stuff like that as a child.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Yeah, so I basically grew up in a traditional Korean household. My parents immigrated here from Korea before I was born. And so the day literally that I was born, my dad decided I was going to be a doctor. But it's not that I was going to any doctor, like that wasn't enough. Like I was gonna be either a neurosurgeon, a cardiac surgeon, you know, a transplant surgeon, one of these like high-powered surgical specialties. And pretty quickly as I was in medical school, I realized that this was not my personality. The day that I saw a 60-year-old man stumble out of a call room in the middle of the night to attend to a trauma, I was like,
Starting point is 00:05:26 I don't wanna be that guy. And then even throughout all my training, I did three years of general surgery training where I trained as a general surgeon and you're working the ICUs, you're working in trauma bays. I was just honestly deathly afraid that one of my patients would die and it would be my fault. And so it always stressed me out.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And luckily I went through all my training and nobody did. People died, but it wasn't because I didn't do something. And so I realized very quickly that that just wasn't for me, and so I ended up finding the field of plastic surgery, which really talked to me a lot. The interesting thing is I initially thought I was gonna do family practice for a while, so I'm like, I don't wanna be with this type of surgeon.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Maybe I'll do family practice for a while. So I'm like, I don't wanna be this type of surgeon. Maybe I'll do family practice and work with families and stuff. And my dad was not approving of that at all. Your dad was an OBGYN, correct? Yes. So that's kind of why he, and he was, you know, the traditional, you know, just this is how you're gonna do it and I'm planning your life out.
Starting point is 00:06:22 How did that make you feel as a child? Did you feel like you just didn't have a choice? So yeah, but I was like the middle child. So I was the dutiful middle child. You tell me to do something and I'll do it. But you know, for him, he grew up on a rice farm in Korea with six other siblings and he became a doctor. They put all their resources into him and then he literally lifted his whole family up out of poverty and he brought half of them here to the United States, where they now are living the American dream. And so for him, all he knew was that doctor equals success.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And so he didn't want his kids to be living on the streets. But then his belief was either you live on the streets, or you're a doctor, and there's nothing in between. He didn't know. He's like, look, it works for me. It'll work for you, bud. So then I thought, maybe I'll do family practice. And I told him, and he was really unhappy with that.
Starting point is 00:07:09 And one night, as I was visiting my parents after I told him I was going to do, and he was really unhappy. And he was just unhappy because he didn't feel like you were being an overachiever, or he felt like you were kind of slacking off by wanting to do family practice? OK, gotcha. It wasn't enough.
Starting point is 00:07:23 It wasn't enough to be proud of my son. We always want in our children more than what we have. And for him, he looked at that was less than what he had. That's gotta be a heavy cross to bear for you, because you're like, damn, dad, I just wanna do what I wanna do. I mean, I think that is. But what happened is, I'm at home,
Starting point is 00:07:43 I'm visiting for a night, and I'm in my twin bed that I grew up in, you know, and as a kid. And two in the morning, the door opens up and my dad tells me, move over. So here I go, I scoot over and the two of us, two adult males are lying in my twin bed looking at the ceiling and he goes, Tony, if you wanna be a family practice doctor, you can.
Starting point is 00:08:03 He goes, you will never pay off your loans, you're gonna be poor for the rest of your life, you're gonna be a family practice doctor you can because you will never pay off your loans You're gonna be poor for the rest of your life. You're gonna be seeing 50 patients a day But if you want to do that, then that is fine And and then shortly thereafter after you give me my blessing his blessing I ended up finding the field of plastic surgery and absolutely loved it well plastic surgery holds a spot dear to your heart too because as you say in one of your books, you talk about how you were, you had a feature that you were, you know, I don't want to say embarrassed by but just didn't like about yourself.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Can we dive into that a little bit? Yeah, so I mean, I was quote unquote normal looking until probably about the 10th grade. I went through a growth spurt and my jaw started growing basically twice as quickly as the rest of my face and the rest of my body To the point where I'm when I was a senior in high school My jaw was huge to the point where I could actually stick my tongue through the gap between my upper and my lower teeth And I hated looking at pictures of myself from the side And even if like with my senior photos from high school, you could see that it just doesn't look quite right So I ended up having plastic surgery. I actually had my jaw broken and set back And even if like with my senior photos from high school, you could see that it just doesn't look quite right.
Starting point is 00:09:05 So I ended up having plastic surgery. I actually had my jaw broken and set back between high school and college. And it really taught me the power of how changing your appearance can absolutely change the trajectory of your life. Because prior to that, I had very low self-esteem. You know, I had self-image, and I thought I looked deformed.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And then afterwards, it really did help me. Now, I go to college, and here I think that I'm going to, well, I actually look actually pretty decent now, like a regular person, and I thought, okay, the girls are gonna like me now, and I couldn't find a date through all four years of college. I find that hard to believe. Four years, yeah. I don't know what happened but. Maybe you were just too shy to like seal the deal.
Starting point is 00:09:52 I don't know but yeah. So but that really did teach me how changing your appearance can really help to change your life in ways that you know I mean I do all cosmetic surgery. I have a complete skincare center and stuff like that. Um, but at the same time, you know, knowing that, I think personally, that does make a big difference. Absolutely. You had also said in one of your books that, um, you had been, you were, you had some dark chapters, um, dealing with certain physicians that were kind of self absorbed and money hungry, can you take me on that journey too? So yeah, I mean as a plastic surgeon, so I ended up doing three years of general surgery and then I did two years of plastic surgery and then I spent a year out in Beverly Hills where I worked with a top-named plastic surgeon and I tell you plastic surgery in
Starting point is 00:10:42 Beverly Hills was a big eye opener because I did most of my training out in Michigan and Michigan State with plastic surgeons that I felt were ethical they were there to treat you know take care of patients and stuff yeah I mean these are kind of Midwest down-to-earth doctors were there to take care of people then you go to Beverly Hills and my gosh it was crazy and it was all Beverly Hills and my gosh, it was crazy. And it was all about money out there. I mean, it was a point, I remember there was a situation once where I was working with
Starting point is 00:11:12 a plastic surgeon and we were working on a woman, African American larger woman, we were doing liposuction on her and she was HIV positive. And we were doing the surgery on her and all of a sudden he says, yep, that's it, we're done. And I go, well, we haven't finished the operation. Like there's still these other areas that we can make better. He goes, you know what? She has, she has HIV. She paid enough money. Like we don't have to do anymore. And I was just like, what? And I mean, I'm, I'm the fellow. So I, it's not my patient. I can't tell him, you know, we need to do this, but you know, things like that, you see these things happen over and over again.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Out there I knew a doctor who would actually call the local news, lie to them about a death that happened in the OR of a competing surgeon. And so I was there once where a doctor called and said, is this ABC News? He's like, yeah, I'm not going to tell you know I don't I'm not gonna tell you who I am I'm a local plaster and I need to let you know that Dr. so-and-so had a patient die in his operating room yesterday and you need to look into that and it was so not true. Oh my gosh. I mean people there even stories of people sending patients to
Starting point is 00:12:18 other plastic surgeons as a way to eventually sue them so that the patient gets surgery and then eventually sues them just to try to push these people out of practice. It's crazy. You guys need your own reality show. It's like the house husbands of Beverly Hills. That's crazy. That's so unethical and just wrong. Yeah I mean it's the stuff that happens out there was nuts and so I really after being there for a year I ended up coming back to Detroit where my wife's family is from and I started my own practice there. I want to do this the right way where I'm actually I'm here to take care of people. I've taken ER call for accidents and dog bites and stuff for 20 years. Yeah there was a story that I read that you had said there was a lady that you had worked for and she said that they're the chronically ill in the emergency room.
Starting point is 00:13:09 She had said something to you that kind of like offended you about the people who would come in the emergency room. They're chronically ill and they just kind of they don't stay. They don't get better and they don't die or something like that. I mean there are so many you know I think working the working the ER, it's hard because there are people who are, I mean, the healthcare system is so broken. And it's so hard because the emergency room now is a place where a lot of people will go for everything.
Starting point is 00:13:37 And they are completely overrun. The emergency room at the hospital I work out of, I had a patient who was there recently, she actually was a patient of a different doctor who was admitted to the hospital with an infection, they asked me to take care of her and I said sure that's fine and she was there for three days and never actually got a hospital bed, like a room. She was in the hallway for three days because there just weren't any rooms available because so many people are using the ER unfortunately for things that aren't necessary. So there's a lot of stuff going on in
Starting point is 00:14:07 healthcare right now that the whole system is broken and I'm not sure how to fix it. But throughout my training that was something that you really saw a lot of. Absolutely. I myself have gotten into holistic medicine in the past probably I'd have to say four to five years. And I love the fact that with holistic medicine it treats the problem and it doesn't put a band-aid on it. Like it tries to get to a deeper root of it. The root cause. Being a holistic plastic surgeon, what does that entail exactly? So basically the story is is that I you know so I go to LA, I come back to Michigan, I start my practice and you know, we're taught in surgery the term to cut is to cure or the only way to heal is with cold steel.
Starting point is 00:14:52 And the idea is that your goal is to bring people to the operating room. Now if you're a general surgeon, the goal ideally that the big surgery that you want to do is called the Whipple and this is a large 10-hour cancer and if you're so lucky that you can do a Whipple you know you've reached the pinnacle of success. In plastic surgery it's probably the facelift because patients may trust almost anybody to do their liposuction but you know if they're trusting you to do their facelift that you are you know the cream of the crop and so for many years money I actually gauge the success of my practice based off how many facelifts I was doing, how many I had on my schedule. It's kind of dumb, but that was how I gauged it. And I got to a point where I was the
Starting point is 00:15:34 busiest person in town. I had a one-year waiting list of people flying in all over the country to see me. And then I had a patient of mine who absolutely completely changed the trajectory of my career. This was a 60-some year old woman who came to see me for a facelift. And she looked like she was a good candidate for it. Her internal medicine doctor cleared her for surgery. And then she was even cleared by a cardiologist.
Starting point is 00:15:57 So I performed the operation on a Thursday. It's about a three and a half hour surgery. We keep her overnight in the hospital, which at that time I was doing routinely, and then the next morning I saw her and she was doing great and I sent her home. The weekend goes by and Monday I get to my office and I have a message from her daughter and the message was, why did my mom die? And it, I mean, I was absolutely floored. I had this, a nausea in the pit of my stomach.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I had, I like literally couldn't form words. And I eventually got on the phone with her and she said, my mom died on Saturday. Like what happened? I hadn't heard anything. So it turns out that she suddenly died that Saturday, so like the two days, like literally after her operation, and I went to her chart and I looked and like,
Starting point is 00:16:53 what happened here? I tried to find something that could have caused this. Was there a medication error? Was there medication interaction? Was there something about her health history that I didn't catch? And there was nothing, like nothing that I could find. It turns out when her autopsy came back later on,
Starting point is 00:17:08 she had a massive heart attack. Even though I had cleared her from a cardiologist standpoint, like I did everything. The only thing I could have done to prevent this was just not operate on her. So this sent me into a complete tailspin. And for months, I considered quitting medicine altogether. I considered choosing a different,
Starting point is 00:17:29 going back to residency, finding some other type of way to practice medicine. And I really questioned everything that I was taught. And it got me into thinking, finally when I hit rock bottom, and I just, I prayed to God, what do I do? What am I doing with my life?
Starting point is 00:17:46 There's this Hippocratic oath of do no harm. Am I doing harm? Am I, by doing these operations, doing harm on people? And it got me into really realizing that what I had believed was wrong. The goal of being a surgeon is not to bring people to surgery, it should be the opposite. It should be how do I keep people out of surgery,
Starting point is 00:18:06 yet still help them to look and feel their best without going under the knife? And then that started me kind of delving into alternative and holistic medicine, and that eventually became this book and this concept of autojuvenation. And it really is, it's the fact that our bodies have the regenerative abilities to
Starting point is 00:18:25 rejuvenate itself. We just have to give it the right tools and the right environment to do that. And it composes five main things that I focus on. It's what you eat, when you eat, nutritional supplements, skincare, and non-invasive treatments. And I firmly believe that 80 to 90 percent of people, if you focus on those things and you do it right, that you can look and feel your best and feel fantastic and look fantastic without having surgery and not feel like you need to.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Absolutely, and I love that message too, because in a world where we are literally just bombarded with plastic surgery and stuff like that, to hear an actual plastic surgeon say, hey, you don't have to go under the knife, you just need to do these things. And I really truly believe you are what you eat. Like a lot of people will argue with you surgeon say, hey, you don't have to go under the knife, you just need to do these things. And I really truly believe you are what you eat. Like a lot of people will argue with you
Starting point is 00:19:09 and say, oh, it doesn't matter. No, it really does matter. The beginning of the year, I started having some really bad health problems that I had no idea where it came from. Cardiologist appointments, I had to wear an EKG for a week. I mean, I'm talking like everything. Come to find out
Starting point is 00:19:30 No doctor could pinpoint what was wrong with me. They tried to put me on blood pressure blood pressure medications They tried to do everything and I had to be my own advocate and I was like I'm not doing that Come to find out I was allergic to rice Rice was really setting off my body, but I in order to find out that I was allergic to rice I had to cut out seed oils. I had to go I've been on dairy for at least 10 years now, but no white flowers, no sugar, like nothing. And it has completely changed my entire being. And so you are what you eat and that's a huge thing.
Starting point is 00:19:57 And then what's number two? Number two is when you eat. And so that's something where, you know, one of the main causes of aging of our body is a buildup of cellular waste. And so basically our cells, just the act of being alive, we create cellular waste products. And these are proteins and organelles
Starting point is 00:20:14 and things inside our cells that can actually build up. And this waste product can build up in our cells unless we clean ourselves out from the inside. And the way we do that, it's a process called autophagy, and that means self-eating. And essentially, when your body runs out of fuel, it starts to use this intracellular waste, these proteins and organelles inside our cells, and recycles them for energy.
Starting point is 00:20:36 And that causes our cells to actually clean themselves out on the inside to function more efficiently, more youthfully, and it's a great way to essentially turn back the clock and get our body working more youthfully again. But for that to happen, we have to stop eating constantly. So the problem is, is our standard American diet and our lifestyle, we are constantly snacking. And whenever you're constantly eating,
Starting point is 00:21:00 you do not allow that process to happen. And so one of the main benefits, and I encourage people, even if you just do a 12 hour, a 16 hour fast, to try to do that where you take just a period of time, even as little as 12 hours, where you stop eating at 8 p.m. and you don't eat again until the next morning at 8 a.m., that's great because it allows your body that time for your gut to rest and for your body to kind of clean
Starting point is 00:21:22 itself out from the inside using this process of autophagy. Yes, I love fasting. I fast every day. Like I'll stop eating at like seven o'clock at night and then I won't eat until the next morning at like 12 or one. But then every I read a book called How to Fast Like a Girl written by a doctor. Gosh, I forget her name. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:43 And she it was amazing. And it was life changing because around a woman's period, you can also do these protocols and where you go into ketosis and it's so healing. I have more energy when I don't eat and I fast than I do when I do eat. Isn't that interesting?
Starting point is 00:21:59 Yeah, it's crazy. The human body is so fascinating. Like we're our own science project. Yes, and I think that the thing is, is that a lot of people don't realize and traditional medicine is not good with this, is that I do believe that there's this thing called bio individuality,
Starting point is 00:22:14 where you may react poorly to rice, but like I've eaten rice all my life. You know, I grew up eating it and I'm fine with it. But that doesn't mean, you know, because I'm fine with it, that you should be fine with it. And traditional medicine is not really good with that part of it. And so really I think it's it's important to to be aware of your own body and what your triggers are, like what makes you feel healthy and good, and to follow that
Starting point is 00:22:36 even if it may not completely jive with what most doctors say that in general people should do. Absolutely. Have you ever heard of the blood diet? The blood diet? Yes. Is that some type of vampire thing? I know you guys are into macabre stuff. So the blood diet is you get your blood drawn and you find out what type, what your blood type is and you eat according to your blood type. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:01 And I always thought it was like kind of hocus pocus and I didn't believe it until I went through the health stuff and my body just doesn't react good to carbs. Some people can eat heavy carbs and I just can't. Come to find out both my parents are diabetics. So it's like, it's crazy and it's fascinating. So what's number, we're on number three, right? Number three would be supplements.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Supplements, let's talk about that because I have you ever heard of the MTHFR gene mutation? They call it the mother effer gene. Do you know a lot about it? Some yeah I mean it is something that there's a belief that you may have an increased risk of clotting with that and so some people who have multiple miscarriages that's something that GYN doctors will look at. For us, we look at it for surgery just because of the potential risk of bleeding after surgery. Right, yeah. But yeah, I mean that's, I don't know a ton, I mean it's still, the mother effigene is still something that traditional doctors, some of them will poo poo. Right. And more
Starting point is 00:24:01 my functional medicine friends, they talk a little bit more about that, but I do think that that's a real thing that we need to pay definitely more attention to. Absolutely I think it's coming I think it's becoming more widespread in the United States and I think more people are coming to realize that they I was diagnosed with that gene so I say all this to say that certain supplements react crazy with my body I overdosed on supplements I heard that accident yeah like how who the fuck can overdose I've certain supplements react crazy with my body. I overdosed on supplements. I heard that.
Starting point is 00:24:25 By accident. Yes. Like who the fuck can overdose? I've never heard of somebody overdosing on supplements and having those types of symptoms, but I heard that story. Crazy, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Anybody with MTHFR gene mutation aside, what kind of supplements do you recommend for a daily basis? Yes, so for me, I have friends of mine who are quote unquote biohackers, where they'll take like 100 pills a day, and that's just like, I mean, if you wanna do that, then that's fine, these are people who like, they make their living just trying to biohack their body.
Starting point is 00:24:57 But the vast majority of people, like that's not doable. That's insane. I've never heard of that, now I'm gonna go study that. Yeah, and I have friends of mine who are like, well, depending on the time of day and how they feel that day, they'll take this drawer of supplements or that drawer. The way I look at it is very basic. Everybody should take a good daily multivitamin. One of the main reasons why our skin ages is nutrient depletion.
Starting point is 00:25:21 There's a belief that our fruits and vegetables today are not as nutritious as they used to be. This is a belief that our fruits and vegetables today are not as nutritious as they used to be. And this is a belief in holistic medicine. Yeah. And they say, oh, well, the soil has been, because of industrial farming practices, it's been depleted of nutrients. So is there proof of that? Well, there actually was a study that looked at from 1950 to 1999, looking at various fruits
Starting point is 00:25:41 and vegetables here in the United States and found a significant reduction in six key nutrients. And three of those ones that stood out to me are iron, protein, and vitamin C. All of these super important for the skin especially. And so supplements can definitely help with that part of it. So I always recommend taking a daily multivitamin. I recommend taking a omega-3 fatty acid supplement, so like fish oil, for the good healthy fats. I recommend taking a probiotic because in the past we ate a lot more fermented foods. We've got a microbiome in our gut. That is the trillions of bacteria that live inside our gut. And we are finding out over the last 10 to 15 years that the quality and the health of that bacteria is absolutely essential to our overall health.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Absolutely, it's your first brain. Yeah, and there's crazy things that they've done. They've taken actually a rat, and have taken a rat that's overweight, and a rat that's underweight, and they've actually done fecal transplants from the underweight rat to the overweight rat, and you know what happens?
Starting point is 00:26:41 The overweight rat loses a bunch of weight. Wow. Because you think that by moving the microbiome from one rat to another, it completely changes how their body reacts. And this is a lot of stuff that we just don't really know a lot about. But what we do know, once again, is that microbiome
Starting point is 00:26:56 is extremely important, and we don't eat fermented foods in our diet at all, other than like. I love kimchi though. Yogurt, yeah, and sauerkraut and brats, like in the summer, like that's it. Now I grew up eating kimchi, a lot of kimchi, we eat a lot of pickled vegetables and stuff like that. So really important to take a daily probiotic,
Starting point is 00:27:16 at least three billion colony forming units a day is what I usually recommend. Do you recommend the ones that have to be refrigerated? Do the majority of them have to be refrigerated? Yeah, that's usually a sign that it's probably good because if it's not, then you gotta wonder, is it high quality? Because you wanna refrigerate them
Starting point is 00:27:31 to make sure that they're still alive. Yeah. And so then the next supplement that I would recommend typically is an antioxidant supplement. One of the main reasons why our skin ages prematurely is due to oxidation and free radicals. Essentially, these are damaging molecules that will damage the DNA of our cells, and these free radicals essentially are neutralized by antioxidants. That's why people say, hey, eat the rainbow
Starting point is 00:27:56 of fruits and vegetables because the actual color of those fruits and vegetables, that is the pigment, is the actual antioxidant. And so by eating various colors of fruits and vegetables, you get a lot of different antioxidants to help fight those free radicals. And what food has the most free radicals? Ultra-processed foods. And so trying to limit ultra-processed foods in the diet is definitely healthy for your skin.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I had to cut those out too, so I eat everything fresh now, which a lot of people always say, oh, it's expensive to eat that way. And I, and it is, America has made it very hard for people to not eat bad. It's more expensive to eat healthy foods than it is to eat foods that are not healthy for you. And it's harder to find them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Especially if you buy organic and stuff too. Yeah. It's crazy. And then what was the fourth one? So the fourth one, so that was the fourth one where the antioxidants and then the fifth one is collagen, collagen supplements. So you take a collagen supplement. Have you done that? So I've tried and my body is so weird. It kind of like sends me into like a little bit of a depression. So I, ever since I did the overdose on supplements, I am just raw dogging life right now. But I try to get my supplements through my food. So I eat
Starting point is 00:29:03 really healthy. You can't out supplement a bad diet. So doing it that way is definitely better. Yeah, you think? Oh yeah, yeah. Why can't I poop then? I'm just kidding. You're not on a carnivore diet, are you? No.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I don't know how they poop because I don't either. I don't get, like if you get no fiber, it would be bad for me. Really bad. I can't eat, like, if you get no fiber, like, yeah, it would be bad for me. Yeah, I can't eat. Like, I'll eat red meat once a month, like, around my period. But, like, I try to stick to, like, chicken, like, lean meats, you know, but, yeah, like, my digestive system has just completely thrown off since I got off supplements.
Starting point is 00:29:39 It's been crazy. But I do love collagen. I love any sort of,, anytime anybody asks me, hey do you ever just wish that you were younger? And I'm like, the only thing I'm ever jealous of younger women is their collagen. Like I want it all, give it all to me. Yeah, so we have 70 to 80% of our skin
Starting point is 00:29:56 is basically made up of collagen. And so one of the things I really encourage people to focus on if you're looking at the aging process is really focusing on that collagen. Collagen, basically they're like the logs of a log cabin and the collagen is what cause our skin to feel tight and firm and smooth and youthful and like everything in life, we start losing it,
Starting point is 00:30:15 it starts getting thinner, starting at 1% a year when we're in about our mid-20s and then women, once they go through menopause, it goes up to about 2% a year and that's why you may see women who are in their 60s or 70s and they've got tissue paper thin skin and they get scratched and it literally can tear their skin.
Starting point is 00:30:31 And so that's one thing, you know, if you can tolerate collagen supplements, I do recommend them. I do think they've helped. Studies show that they definitely help with the thickness of collagen in your skin. The other thing though is collagen is a protein. And so eating higher protein,
Starting point is 00:30:44 especially as you get older, can definitely be helpful with your skin as well as other body parts as well. I preach to my team all the time. I'm like, you guys need more protein because I eat like 135 grams of protein a day. Oh wow, that's not easy to do, especially if you're intermittent fasting. No, it's not. Well, so I have perfected the art of an eating window So like I get all my I know that they say that you're only supposed to do like 35 grams each meal or something like that But I just really try to like break up three meals and just make it work you know, so I had a lot of yogurt in the morning a lot of protein, you know the protein yogurt and then a lot of you know, like
Starting point is 00:31:21 Ground chicken, you know for dinner and stuff like that So, but yeah, I'm always preaching to them. I'm like, you guys need to have more protein. They're like, shut the fuck up, leave me alone. And I'm like, no, it's like, it really helps your body. It is, and there definitely is a huge push now in nutrition and nutrition circles that the lower protein diets are definitely not the best, especially as you get older.
Starting point is 00:31:42 You know, we developed something called sarcopenia and this is basically breakdown of especially as you get older. You know, we developed something called sarcopenia, and this is basically breakdown of muscle as we get older. And you know, one of the things that we worry about as we get older and a very common cause of death is breaking a hip, okay? And so- God, that causes death? There was one study that found that over the age of 50,
Starting point is 00:32:00 and I'm like 51, so I guess I'm in that group now. Goodness, I'm almost there. If you break your hip over the age of 50 and I'm like 51 so I guess I'm in that group now. If you break your hip over the age of 51 it's something like a 30% mortality over 12 months. It's insane. Why is there like a... So it's just it's so integral and I think part of it is that it's so hard to recover from and so a big thing as you get older is trying to keep mobile, trying to keep your reflexes as well as your balance intact. It's so, so important. Right, yoga.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Yes, so that's one of the big things in my book is yoga. So really what you wanna look at is balance and strength via the fast twitch muscle fibers. So to put it simply, you know, a lot of people as they get older, they believe that walking is the only exercise they need to do. Okay, and my parents and my in-laws,
Starting point is 00:32:49 that's what they think too. It's like, oh, I walk two miles a day, so that's all I have to do. The problem, but that's a fallacy. Now, walking is great. It's super important. If you get those 10,000 steps, that's awesome. And that will definitely help with your healing,
Starting point is 00:33:01 or with your aging overall and being healthy. But the problem with just walking, when you think about it, is you're only using those muscles that propel you forward. You're not using any other muscles. Anything else. Okay, and those are called slow twitch muscle fibers. Slow twitch muscle fibers are those fibers
Starting point is 00:33:19 that our body uses for kind of endurance, where you're kind of doing the same thing over and over again in a slow fashion, those are slow twitch muscle fibers. Fast twitch muscle fibers are those fibers that we, those muscles that we use for essentially explosive movement. Okay, so if you're going for sprints, if you're doing HIIT workouts a lot of times, you're using kind of the fast twitch muscle fibers. They're also the muscle fibers that will go into play if you trip, if you're about to
Starting point is 00:33:44 fall. Those are the ones that will go into play if you trip, if you're about to fall. Those are ones that will steady you. You know that's why you know if you see you may see an older person who's like 70 or 80 and they trip on something and they just fall and hit their face. Right it's like slow motion. Yes because they they're fat they have been working those fast twitch muscle fibers so they don't have those those reflexes those reaction time where if you or I we hit a corner or a curb and we start to fall we will steady ourselves very quickly because those those reflexes, those reaction time, where if you or I, we hit a corner or a curb and we start to fall, we will steady ourselves very quickly
Starting point is 00:34:08 because those muscle fibers are still working. So those muscle fibers, they degenerate as we get older and that's one reason why older people, they trip on something and they just go straight down because they haven't been working those. So it's so, so important. Yoga, I think, is awesome. Those are also slow twitch muscle fibers but yoga will help you
Starting point is 00:34:27 obviously with your balance which is so so important and flexibility. Stretching your muscles. Exactly and it's so great for the mind and for overall stress reduction but at the same time definitely doing weight training doing resistance training as people get older, not just walking. And really there's three exercises that if, you know, let's say you have, you know, somebody who's in their sixties, seventies, eighties and like, well, I haven't done resistance training ever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Then there's three things definitely to start with. And I encourage anybody who's listening, if you've got somebody in your life who's older, you can see that their mobility is slowing down. Just have them do three things to start out with. Chest press, some type of a chest press where they can do it, you know, obviously if they can do a push-up, that's great. If they can't, you can do it like a nautilus chest press, either a squat or a leg press, okay, and rows.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So chest press, squat or leg press, and rows. If they do those three exercises, resistance training exercises, that's gonna use most of those muscle groups that are needed to stay limber and strong and prevent those types of accidents as they get older. That's amazing. I could sit here and talk to you for hours. I love learning stuff like this.
Starting point is 00:35:38 There's a 60-year-old lady who I saw on Instagram who is shredded, oh, I whistled, who is shredded. And I'm telling you, Matt, I was like, I wanna be her dude, like she looked amazing. She had muscle tone at 60, like it was crazy. So yeah, it is possible to, you know. There is a difference between health span and lifespan. Have you heard those terms?
Starting point is 00:36:01 Yeah, I've heard them, but I'm not in what you're about to say. Yeah, so lifespan essentially is what traditional medicine's really good at. It's extending your life, you know? And so we're really good at taking somebody who's 60 or 70, they have multiple medical issues, and keeping them alive for a long time. And that's why our life expectancy keeps going up,
Starting point is 00:36:22 because we're essentially kept alive by medications, by interventions, and treatments and things. That is different than actual health span. The idea of health span is how long do you live where you are active and youthful and healthy and doing things that you wanna do. And that's very different. And that's what we try to strive with kind of a lot
Starting point is 00:36:44 of these alternative medicine ideas and a lot of the ideas in my book is how do we extend your health span so that the ideal is that you live until you're like 100 years old and even when you're 95, you're out. You're chicken ass. Yeah, and you are going on hikes,
Starting point is 00:36:58 you're traveling, you're seeing the world, you're eating different foods, you're on very minimal medications and you're just feeling energetic and great, and then something happens and you die. Versus that whole, that steady decline starting in your 50s where just every year you feel shittier and shittier and shittier.
Starting point is 00:37:16 That's kind of the way that we are taught now to age in our society. And so by focusing on these things, eating right, taking some time to not eat for a little bit, even if just 12 hours, and then getting on those supplements and being super active, even trying things like meditation,
Starting point is 00:37:32 all of that can really extend that health span and help you live healthier, longer, and happier for as long as possible. I think meditation is huge also because it's such a stress reduction, and in our everyday lives that we have now, our lives are just so full of stress. It's like you have to put yourself first huge also because it's such a stress reduction and in our everyday lives that we have now, our lives are just so full of stress.
Starting point is 00:37:47 It's like you have to put yourself first and even if you have 10 minutes, just meditate and just try to decompress and just get, you know, I always visualize breathing in a certain color and then blowing out a certain color and that's the stress that's coming out and it's life changing. It's amazing because a lot of people think, Oh meditation, how boring and like what can that do? You know, I'll tell you my story with meditation. Like I was never really big on meditation. I knew it was good for us.
Starting point is 00:38:12 But you know, so the pandemic hits in March of 2020. I have a practice, a full medical practice. I've got 11 employees and literally in the span of one morning, we come in and we're seeing patients and at noon, I close the office down because my employees were freaked out. They're hearing these stories of like, oh my gosh, people are getting sick around us, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:38:30 And so I close it down at noon and I promise my employees, I say, look, I had just paid off all my taxes because freaking March, you know? I'm like, and I say, look, I'm gonna pay you guys. I don't know how long we're gonna be closed for but I will pay you, I will take care of you. You guys go home and just stay healthy and all that.
Starting point is 00:38:49 But I had no idea how I was gonna do that. And so I volunteered for my local hospital. My wife and I, my wife's a physician, she's a pediatrician, and we both volunteered for our local hospital if they needed us, which, God forbid, if you've got COVID and you're in the ICU and Dr. Yoon comes up to take care of you, like you're screwed
Starting point is 00:39:07 because I don't remember how to do any of that stuff. But so thank God they never actually asked us to come in and help out. But that was such a stressful time because here I am, like I'm worried about my colleagues and my friends that were working in the hospital. I'm worried about my own family,
Starting point is 00:39:24 my parents and my in-laws who were almost 80 at that time. And then I worried about my patients and also my employees and like how am I gonna pay my employees? So for the first time I think since I started my practice, probably for the first time since I tell you about that patient of mine who died, I would fall asleep fine at night and then every night
Starting point is 00:39:43 I'd wake up at two or three in the morning just with all these worries going on in my head and so I was talking to my wife and like I can't like I get I wake up and I'm worried and I'm stressed and Like what do I do and we started meditating together where we would just take literally 10 to 15 minutes and You could do a guided meditation. We did a lot of like Peloton meditation or sometimes I would do it by myself. And just like you said, just pay attention to my breathing.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Like try to cut everything out and then just pay attention to breathing in and out. And I tell you, Bunny, every day that I meditated, I slept all night. And those days where I'm like, oh, I don't have time. I'm not gonna do it. Two or three in the morning, I would wake up. Like it was crazy how it was a direct correlation
Starting point is 00:40:27 There are studies that show that meditation can help you to look younger. It can make changes in your brain To function more efficiently and effectively. It's it is crazy How just that simple act of just what you said just breathing in and out can reduce your stress and really help to improve your life It's wild because if you think about it Buddhist monks have been meditating for decades and I mean look at them I mean, you know, you don't have to be a believer in Buddha to see that these men are like they don't age They're literally like so peaceful and all they they literally meditate every day Like it's just a it's a it's an amazing outlet and if anybody wants to ever start meditating there's I don't get paid for this but there's an
Starting point is 00:41:09 app called insight timer yeah it's called insight timer I've turned all my girls on to it and she uses it for her daughter too yeah and it's amazing you guys can go on there and if you've never meditated in your life they have beginner meditations and everything like that so yeah and now occasionally you Yeah, and it's amazing. You guys can go on there and if you've never meditated in your life, they have beginner Meditations and everything like that. So yeah, and now occasionally, you know if I have anxieties and every once in a while I have some just like and I don't know why or sometimes it's before surgery or something sometimes just in my car I'll turn on a guided meditation for 10 minutes. Absolutely feel so much better afterwards So now since I've learned breathing techniques and I know a lot of people in my audience do suffer from anxiety and they're always asking
Starting point is 00:41:48 like what do you do? There is a meditation that you can do and it's you breathe in for six seconds, you hold it for six seconds and then you breathe out for six seconds and it automatically snaps your your nervous system out of fight-or-flight and I mean I could be in the middle of a panic attack just wanting to run and I do that and it calms me immediately. It's just fascinating what breath work can do for you. I think that there's so much that our society,
Starting point is 00:42:15 we have lost touch with. Even fasting was something that Christians, Muslims, people have done it for centuries, but we stopped. you know, we just don't have time for it, you know, and same thing with meditation, you know, this is stuff that we have done, you know, whatever religion you are, like that's has been a part of it, you know, in its own way and it's just these are things that we lose track of that are such healthy practices to get back to it, you
Starting point is 00:42:40 know, and it comes back to even the food. It's like we used to know what our food came from. And there's this idea of food that is whole foods, not necessarily even plants, but whole foods versus ultra processed foods. And it's very simple really, is it's when you're eating a food, do you know what plant or animal that food came from? It doesn't look anything like its original state.
Starting point is 00:43:03 And it's funny because I grew up in the middle of Michigan in a tiny town in the middle of Michigan and it was it was a weird dichotomy because my parents at home we would eat traditional Korean food so it would be like you know rice and fish and veggies and garlic and kimchi and stuff like that. Which is a really healthy diet. Which is and you know exactly what those foods are coming from like it looks like that food. And then I go out with my friends, we go to McDonald's and KFC and Burger King
Starting point is 00:43:28 and all that type of stuff. And it was this weird dichotomy and now the funny thing is we've kind of come full circle and I've got two teenagers and when I was their age, I was always at fast food places and now my kids, it's weird because they go out with their friends, they get Poke bowls, they get like sushi, they get, it's like crazy, they get like Korean food
Starting point is 00:43:49 and stuff and it's good because there is I think, a group, especially I think the younger generation are more understanding of like what's going on with their food and everything nowadays. They're more woke and I honestly believe that it is because of social media because you know back in the day when we were kids, it was like, we didn't have social media. We only knew like what our parents taught us or what we saw on commercials or TV. Whereas now these kids have so much opportunity at
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Starting point is 00:47:45 a diet, what would be a typical day of eating for somebody who wants to start eating healthier and not eating fast food? So the first thing that I would recommend, so let's start about what to try to reduce. So the great ager of our skin food wise is sugar. Sugar is the number one cause of premature aging of the skin. And it does that because the sugar will actually cause of premature aging in the skin and it does that because the sugar will actually bond to the collagen in our skin. So I mentioned earlier that the collagen makes up 70 to 80% of our skin. And when you ingest sugar, sugar will
Starting point is 00:48:14 actually bond to that collagen, those logs of that log cabin and will cause those logs to become kinked. And the combination of when the sugar and the collagen hybrid, the connections of that are called advanced glycation end products or AGEs. Kind of makes sense, AGEs, you know, because they prematurely age you. And so sugar can do that by literally physically bonding to the collagen of your skin, causing your skin to feel rougher, to have more wrinkles, to be drier, and essentially more aged. It also increases, when you get sugar spikes you get insulin spikes. Insulin spikes causes chronic inflammation and chronic
Starting point is 00:48:49 inflammation is one of the great agers of our skin and sugar one skin being kind of the big thing. Now it's important to differentiate acute inflammation from chronic inflammation because there are a lot of treatments that we do that are that create acute inflammation. You can get laser treatment, you can get micro-needling, you can get chemical peels. These all create acute inflammation. And when you cause acute inflammation or you damage the collagen in the skin in a very short-term way, when the collagen heals, it gets tighter. And that's why your skin gets tighter after these treatments.
Starting point is 00:49:22 But chronic inflammation is a different thing. And so sugar can create chronic inflammation by chronic insulin spikes and then that can cause premature aging as well. It also leads to autoimmune diseases as well. You can get type 2 diabetes because essentially when you're getting so much sugar and the insulin keeps going up and down, up and down, eventually your tissues don't respond to the insulin so well. And if it's not responding to the insulin,
Starting point is 00:49:45 your blood sugars go up and then that's when you eventually get insulin resistance and then Type 2 diabetes and that leads to all sorts of other problems. And so reducing the amount of sugar that you eat is the first step that I encourage people to consider. You and I, we have a lot of our followers that live in the quote unquote flyover states. I'm from Michigan, you're Tennessee, I have a lot of my followers that live in the quote unquote flyover states. You know, I'm from Michigan, you know, you're Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:50:06 I have a lot of my followers that live in small towns. They follow me on TikTok or on Instagram and they're not living in Miami or LA or New York. And for some of them, just the act of, hey, you know, going from three cans of soda pop a day to one or two is a big deal. And so I encourage people who are listening, you know, whether you're a follower of mine or a bunny is that just to reduce some of the amount of sugar you drink. So if you have three cans of soda pop, try to reduce it to two. Maybe substitute that other one for a can of kombucha, you know, something a little bit different or a green tea
Starting point is 00:50:37 or something or even just plain water. Just water. Water. I'm not sponsored by them, but this is the best water in the world. Mountain Valley water. I love them. Because just making those little changes can be huge deals. And I really encourage people who are listening that if you can do that, be proud of yourself because those are big steps towards that goal. The second thing I encourage people to do is try to reduce the amount of ultra-processed foods because those, once again, they contain free radicals and then free radicals can cause damage to your skin by this process called oxidation.
Starting point is 00:51:08 So taking those two huge groups of food out, I think is so, so important, a reducing amount that you can eat of that. And then what you want to replace that with are colorful fruits and vegetables. We talked about the antioxidants in them, healthy sources of protein. And so I'm a big fan of grass-fed beef, of pastured pork, pastured chicken, wild-caught fish, sustainably caught fish, you know, that are that you have vetted. Okay, that's good too. How do you feel about tilapia? Isn't it man-made? So tilapia, there are some studies showing. So there are omega-3 fats and omega-6 fats. So when we look at all the different fats
Starting point is 00:51:45 that we can eat, there are different kinds. So some fats are 100% we know are good for you. Omega-3 fatty acids, which are the main fat that we know is healthy for us in fish, that's the big thing. Omega-6 fatty acids are called polyunsaturated fatty acids. These are the fats that are in things like margarine, in like seed oils. And then some oils contain a combination of both. So like olive oil, which in general is really good for you, contains both omega-3 and omega-6. And the goal you want to is to maximize the amount of omega-3s and overall minimize omega-6 because we get way too much of that in our general and our society. And And so in general what you want to do then is eat those healthy sources of fats, those healthy sources of protein, okay, and then the healthy
Starting point is 00:52:34 fruits and vegetables and then trying to get rid of some of those ultra processed types of things. Gotcha. And not all salads are good for you. I learned that the hard way whenever I was dieting is there's some salads that have more calories and more fat in them. Like when if you eat a salad you have to like are good for you. I learned that the hard way whenever I was dieting is there's some salads that have more calories and more fat in them. Like if you eat a salad, you have to like really pay attention to what's in it. You can't just be like, oh I eat salads every day
Starting point is 00:52:53 because that could be. Yeah, I mean if you douse it in a bunch of dressing and then you throw a bunch of bacon bits on it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I mean it's the same thing with coffee. You know, coffee is a great drink in general because it's filled with antioxidants. I can't have it though.
Starting point is 00:53:05 But when you throw a bunch of cream and sugar and you mix it up with all these syrups and stuff like that, you take what essentially is a really good healthy drink and you make it a sugar bomb essentially. Yeah, absolutely. And so really it's what you do sometimes with these basic foods that make a big difference. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:53:22 I could just pick your brain all day. Do you have time to answer a couple of questions from some of the people on my Patreon. I'm happy to talk about that. We can talk about anything plastic surgery, anti-aging. They have so many questions about plastic surgery so I figured I would let you answer their questions. These are for everybody on my Patreon. They are so excited that you're here. Oh thank you. They actually came with a bunch of really good questions. So we'll answer a few of them and then we'll move on to a couple other topics. Is it healthier for a fat transfer instead of a breast augmentation? And would you as a doctor consider 48 too old to have said procedure if there isn't
Starting point is 00:54:01 any major health issues? Okay, so breast implants, I'm happy to talk about that in breast implant illness. I know you've talked about your experience with implants and stuff. So I've got definitely an opinion on that. As far as fat grafting to the breast, a lot of people are talking about that now as kind of like a natural alternative.
Starting point is 00:54:18 And as a surgery, it is in general very safe to perform. Essentially what you do is you liposuction fat from your hips or your thighs or your tummy and then we purify the fat and then inject it into the breasts. And as far as immediate complications, it's usually pretty low risk. The thing that a lot of plastic surgeons,
Starting point is 00:54:38 and I don't know of anybody talking about this but me, honestly, like I have not heard anybody but me, so maybe I don't know and everybody else does, but when you think about it theoretically, okay, one in nine women will get breast cancer in their lifetime. So the breast essentially is a cancer-prone organ. As sad as it is, that's the truth. We know over the last 10 to 15 years that our fat is chock full of stem cells. Stem cells are cells that are so young that the belief is that you put them into a body part and they will essentially turn into cells
Starting point is 00:55:08 for that body part. And that's the reason why it's exciting for things like cancer if you have to have an organ removed. The idea is that, hey, I wonder if stem cells can help to remake that organ essentially. So theoretically then what happens if you take a cancer-prone organ like a breast and you inject it with a ton of stem cells haphazardly all around the organ. What if, for example, you are 47? She is? She said 48.
Starting point is 00:55:34 48, okay. And let's say she has a family history of breast cancer. Let's say she has a cluster of dysplastic cells, meaning cells that are not normal that could eventually create a cancer. But there's so few of them and they're not that aggressive that they won't turn into a cancer until she turns 140 years old. But now you inject a bunch of stem cells around those cells. Those stem cells then will turn into the cells that they are around. Is it possible that now she develops a breast cancer which turns 60 or 65?
Starting point is 00:56:05 Oh my goodness. I don't know. Yeah. And we don't know the answer to that. And unfortunately we won't know the answer to that for decades because these operations have just been getting popular over the last few years. And when I have brought this up
Starting point is 00:56:17 with other plastic surgeon colleagues of mine, they kind of brush it off. They're like, well, you know, it's a safe operation. You know, we can't tell the future. But these are things we need to know about. And so for me, I do fat graft into the breast in rare cases when patients have had typically, let's say they've had implants and they've had some major complication and they feel that they, you know, that they don't look right and we try to reconstruct them essentially. Yeah. But you really want to weigh those risks versus benefits.
Starting point is 00:56:42 And it really it's looking at plastic surgery from a more holistic perspective. I have this term called America's Holistic Plastic Surgeon. People are like, what does that mean? Well, this is one of those things. It's like not just focusing on the cosmetic result, but how does this infect your whole body?
Starting point is 00:56:58 Because it does you no good if we make your breasts bigger with fat, and then you develop breast cancer 15 years from now that you never would have had, and we just didn't understand it because we never actually thought about this in a more holistic whole body perspective. Right. Also another thing about getting just fat transfer and the difference between an augmentation and fat transfer, because I have had my implants taken out, so if I were to go and get fat
Starting point is 00:57:20 transfer, it doesn't create that bubble on the top. And I think a lot of people don't realize that when you just only get fat transfer in your boobs, it's gonna fill out more of the bottom and not have the roundness of a augmentation. You can't create roundness with that. It's just that you can maybe get about a half a cup because about half that fat's gonna disappear. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Yeah, so. Unless it's me, my body loves fat. Yeah. I had fat transfer to my ass and I swear it keeps growing. It does, but usually it's if you gain weight. I had one patient who I had put fat in her lips and then she got pregnant maybe a couple years later and she was like, she messaged me, she was laughing,
Starting point is 00:57:55 she was like, oh my gosh, my lips are so huge. Oh no, who knew that your lips could grow like that? But if you think about it, could the stem cells? Well it's fat, you know, you put fat somewhere and when you gain weight the fat cells get larger oh my goodness that is hilarious yeah what is the scariest thing you've ever seen during a surgery any paranormal spookies you know I can tell you this wasn't scary but something that was I guess kind of in a paranormal but this is not like the spooky thing so I had a patient of mine this is a story actually out of my book playing God but this is not like the spooky thing. So I had a patient of mine, this is a story actually out of my book, Playing God,
Starting point is 00:58:26 but this is a woman who came to see me, she was in her early 60s, she was really overweight and she had a cane. So she walks into my office on a cane, barely able to walk, and I took a look at her chart and she has every medical problem known to man, like she was diabetic, she had had stents placed from having a heart attack
Starting point is 00:58:47 She had was on blood thinners and like everything you can think of it's what we call in medicine a train wreck And and yeah, it's not a nice term But this is what we call if you go to the ER and like oh this person's a train wreck, you know Oh geez, they've got every medical issue And so she comes to see me and I was like, well, what can I do for you? And she said I had a tummy tuck done by another surgeon and everything fell apart. And she said, my tummy is a mess. I'm in so much pain that I can barely walk. And she got tears, she got tears in her eyes. And she's like, Dr. Yoon, I need you to help me. She said, I've been to 10 other 10 or 12
Starting point is 00:59:19 or some other plastic surgeons and everybody has turned me down and you're my last hope. So I said, well, what's going on? And she said, so I had this operation by this other doctor. They removed the skin from my tummy and then everything turned black. My tissue died and I was in the hospital for months and now everything is scarred in and it's just so painful and she got tears in her eyes and she said, Dr. Yoon, I can't even play with my granddaughter. She goes, the one thing I want to do is be able to play with my granddaughter. She goes, the one thing I wanna do is be able to play with my granddaughter again.
Starting point is 00:59:48 And so I look at her information and I tell her, I'm like, look, you know, you've got so many medical issues, they probably turned you down because you're at such high risk, like you can die from this operation. And she goes, my life is over right now as it is, like what am I worried about? So, you know, somebody like that comes in and you look at all these things and you're just like,
Starting point is 01:00:06 dang, you know, if I were to bring this person to surgery, she could die on the operating table or she could have a bleeding complication afterwards. There's so many things that can go wrong. But this was one of those handful of times as a physician where I go over all this stuff and I look at it and I just have this sense of assuredness that everything was gonna be okay
Starting point is 01:00:28 and that this was something that I had to do for her. Although like the scientific part of me, the rational part of my head is like, say no, don't operate on her, this is a big mistake. But there was that part of me that was like, I've gotta do this for her and for some reason I know it's gonna be okay. So her surgery, so I tell her, look, I say, look, I've got to do this for her and and for some reason I know it's gonna be okay. So her surgery so I tell her look I say look you know I'm willing to do this operation for you but I need to tell you like I don't know
Starting point is 01:00:51 what's gonna happen like I can't guarantee a result and I said you know we can try to get your insurance to pay for it I even know what they're gonna pay for it and I said well but but let's do this I feel like I need to help you. So the night before her surgery I don before her surgery, I don't do this much, but I prayed for her and I prayed that the surgery was going to go fine and that she was going to do fine. You're such a sweet doctor. I get to the operating room, we do this operation, and it goes so smoothly. It literally took like two and a half hours, removed all the scar tissue, and she just flew in her post-operative recovery and I knew
Starting point is 01:01:25 at the time when I was operating as things were going along like I didn't I didn't feel alone like I felt like I was being guided. So the funny thing is she comes back a few weeks later I think I went on vacation or something so I hadn't seen her and she came back a few weeks later no cane she has a cake that she baked for me and she's like and she knew that her insurance had rejected the claim that they weren't gonna pay for surgery And she's like look. I'm really sorry I don't have any money to pay you she goes, but here's a cake that I baked for you And I tell you bunny
Starting point is 01:01:53 I have a rule that whenever my patients bring in food to my office I will not eat it because I don't know what their kitchen looks like They could have chachi like standing on their counters and like looks like they could have chachi like standing on their counters and like you sound like me on the same way if i don't know where it came from i'm not eating it what if they decided to make like you know weed brownies or something like that like oh okay you know that's really nice like by usual like oh thanks and um so she tells me she's like dr you and she goes you know she goes why did you do it why did you do this? Everybody else turned me down and I said, you know, I just had this feeling
Starting point is 01:02:26 that this was the right thing to do, that you needed my help and that I wasn't alone doing this, that somebody was guiding me. And so she says, you know, and she's like, gives me a piece of the cake and I'm like, I finally like, okay, fine, I'll eat it. So she was like, she thanked me and she said, I was so excited, I was hanging out with my granddaughter last night and I'm able to play with her again and she just thanked me eat it. So she was like, she thanked me and she said, I was so excited, I was hanging out with my granddaughter
Starting point is 01:02:46 last night and I'm able to play with her again and she just thanked me for it. And it's like, I mean, so sometimes every once in a while as a physician, there are these handful of patients through your lives that, you know, through your career that just mean everything. And it has nothing to do with the money, it has nothing to do with like, oh, this fine result
Starting point is 01:03:01 that I'm so proud of. It's just like you change somebody's life and it just means everything. It's chicken soup for the soul. It's that type of thing. Yeah. Just not quite so cheesy. Yeah I love that. That's a beautiful story. Oh thank you. Tummy tuck or lipo for fluff that won't go away after having kids. Depends on wear and skin quality. So tummy tucks remove excess skin typically below the belly button above the pubic area but you trade it for a hip to hip scar and a scar around the belly button. Okay there's no other way around it like there's no secret to it it's just you cut that extra skin and fat out then you pull the skin down and
Starting point is 01:03:36 then you trade it for those scars. Lipo is removal of fat and if you've had multiple kids and you're talking about the tummy most likely you're talking a tummy tuck. If you haven't had kids and you've got love handles or something like that and your skin is pretty tight then that's what lipo can help with. So tummy tuck is for excess skin of the tummy, lipo does not do that, if anything can make it worse. Right, yeah so if you go and you get lipo and you have you know a lot of fat right there and they pull it out the skin can hang so you're just gonna end up having
Starting point is 01:04:05 to get a tummy tuck anyways. Yeah, so if you're unhappy with your tummy after having kids, most of the time, lipo's not gonna be a good solution, most of the time you're looking at a tummy tuck. What is the wildest request you've ever had for a surgery? Oh, you know, I can tell you a wild story. Oh, I'm ready.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Okay, I mean, I get wild requests, but this was like a wild story. I had a patient who came in to see me. This was, I literally was in practice for four months. So I'm this new plastic surgeon in Michigan. I thought I was kind of like, in my head, I was trying to present myself like as a Beverly Hills big shot because I trained out in Beverly Hills. And now I'm in like Rochester Hills, Michigan, this small town. And, you know, at the same time inside, I knew like I'm brand new, I'm green, now I'm in like Rochester Hills, Michigan, this small town and at the same time inside I knew,
Starting point is 01:04:47 I'm brand new, I'm green, I've not treated people by myself before and I was nervous, but on the surface it's like oh yeah, sure, I'm a real plastic surgeon, I've trained in Beverly Hills. So this woman comes in and she had had a facelift and a brow lift done by a different plastic surgeon, a guy who was really not thought of well in my community as kind of a chop-shot type guy. And so she had some areas where a little bit
Starting point is 01:05:09 of loose skin here, her brows had dropped again and stuff, and she was like, can you fix me or can you make things better? So I'm like, and she goes, I used to be a model, and she was now in her late 50s. She goes, I used to be a model, and now I'm just feeling like I've lost it, and can you please help me?
Starting point is 01:05:24 And I felt bad for her. So I said, you know what, let me give you a discount and let's do this operation. And it was a brow lift and a facelift. And I brought her to surgery and the surgery went perfectly. So she comes back to see me at one week and she was happy at one week and then at three weeks she was happy. And then all of a sudden I get a call from her a couple weeks later saying that that I botched her and that she is gonna go see some other surgeons to see what can be done to fix it. So now, I'm literally four months in practice,
Starting point is 01:05:51 I never had an unhappy patient before, I didn't know what to do with it. And so I call her up and I say, hey, what's going on? She goes, you botched me, I'm trying to find somebody to fix this. And so I said, well, please just come back to the office. Let's take a peek at it. Because last time I saw her, she looked great.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Like, her healing was fine. So I said, just come back to the office and let's just take a peek and see what's going on. You know, let's see what I can do to help you. So she comes into the office. She comes barging into, I schedule her at the end of the day because I'm thinking like, I think she's mad
Starting point is 01:06:21 and I don't want her to scare other patients away. So you always schedule them at the end of the day so that they don't like you know ruin the rest of your day and scare everybody away. So she comes in she barges in the door and she is pissed off. Her face is bright red and she starts screaming at me and she's like you botched me you botched me you made me look oriental and I'm like oriental she goes you made me look like you and I'm like what? I'm like, oriental? She goes, you made me look like you. And I'm like, what? And like, she's Caucasian, you know?
Starting point is 01:06:49 I'm like, no, she doesn't look Asian. And so I go, well, I go, let's settle down. She goes, I saw this other doctor and he told me that I'm a train wreck now, that you completely botched me. And I'm like, I'm actually really good friends with this doctor. There's no way he would ever say that.
Starting point is 01:07:02 And I don't tell her this, but I go, well, I go, what can I do to try to make it up for you? Like, let's, you know, let's, let's see what we can do together and she goes, you better pay me a half a million dollars or I'm going to run you out of town. And I go, I don't have like, I was literally $200,000 in debt. Right. Like, I, I. Did she look Asian? No, she looked fine. She was healing fine. Looking at her incisions, everything was healing fine. She had Biodysmorphia, what she looked at and saw in the mirror was different than what everybody else saw. So I'm like, I go look, I don't have a half a million dollars, like I'm like, I'm literally 200 grand in debt myself, and that's my debt, my wife had another 200 grand, so we're like
Starting point is 01:07:37 almost half a million the whole as it is. And so I go, I don't have that money, and she goes 400, or she goes 150 thousand dollars, pay me $150,000 and I will forget that you destroyed my face. And I go, look, you actually look fine. Like, let's talk this over. And then she goes, carte blanche. Carte blanche, I get whatever I want by whatever surgeon I want for the next three years
Starting point is 01:07:57 and you pay for it. And I'm like, this isn't like a- She's literally negotiating with you. So I go, look, I can't do that. Then she goes, if you don't do that, then I'm going to send you back to LA where the only people who allow you to operate on them are the whores. And she starts running through my office, literally screaming, the whores, the whores, the whores. She goes up to my big window and like a horror movie, she's like, I'm a monster. Looking at the window,
Starting point is 01:08:22 screaming at the top of her lungs and so I'm like oh my and now I knew that she was going to be unhappy so I actually wrote her a check for what I had what she paid me and what her hospital fees were like I would have it's like more than what I meant like what she paid me and a lot more because before you know when before she came in I had this feeling like this is going go bad. And I had a release for her, where if she were to sign the release, then it releases me of indemnity of any responsibility. So I say, look, I've got a check for the cost of your operation.
Starting point is 01:08:55 I go, this is money that you paid the hospital to. I go, I will give you this check if you sign this release. And she looks at it, she goes, this is all you're offering me? And she goes, I will destroy you, I've got good friends in town, and we're gonna send you back to where you came from. And she leaves and slams the door and leaves.
Starting point is 01:09:12 My employees are like hiding under their desks, and they're like, oh my gosh! So I call up my old mentor in LA, who he has seen freaking everything. I remember he told me back in the day, he said, I had a patient of mine, he goes, yeah, I had a patient of mine who was stalking me, would actually be in bushes in front of my house
Starting point is 01:09:29 and looking through my windows. And so I'm like, well, he had this person, like that person was nuts, so maybe he knows what to do. So I call him up and I say, hey, doc, I'm like, this woman, she's like going crazy. I think she's gonna like, she's threatened, she actually threatened to hit me with her car at one point. And she's gonna like, I think she's gonna attack me. me and I go what did you do to get rid of that patient?
Starting point is 01:09:47 And he goes oh simple. I hired some guys to beat her up. Oh I'm not gonna hire people that I don't even know who to hire to call anyway Like not that I hired somebody to beat up a patient of mine So I'm like, okay. Thanks for nothing and's like, tell me what happens. This is exciting. And I hang up on him. This is exciting. So I'm standing there, I'm like, what do I do? And like my employees, like their eyes are huge.
Starting point is 01:10:13 Like all of a sudden, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And she's at the door. And my employees are like, she probably has a gun. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And they're like, don't open the door. And I'm like, I kind of like a ninja. I like creep't open the door. And I'm like, I kind of like a ninja. I like creep up to where the window is and like I look around the corner
Starting point is 01:10:29 and like I'm looking like there's no gun or anything. So I go up to the door, I open it up. She barges in, takes a check that I put on the front desk, puts it in her pocket, signs the release, walks up to me and she goes, this is not over. And she walks out the door. And so now the next day I had an operation, it was actually a breast reconstruction on a woman
Starting point is 01:10:52 who had these huge breasts, and she'd had cancer and this and that. It was gonna be one of the most difficult, probably the most difficult operation I was supposed, I was gonna do up to that point in my career. I could not sleep overnight, and I called her up, it was like five in the morning, and I go, I'm really sorry, I said,
Starting point is 01:11:07 I can't operate on you today. She goes, well, that's okay, and she's just so nice. She goes, we'll do this later. And I go, no, I go, I don't think I can operate on you. And for months, I had like lost all sense of like, confidence in myself because like, here I, what did I do to this woman? So a couple weeks go by and I'm at the hospital
Starting point is 01:11:29 treating a patient and I get a call from my office and they're like, you need to come back. That patient's mom has left you a message. So I go, what is the message? And the message is, you need to call me. My daughter is suicidal. So now I'm like, fuck. Now what happened?
Starting point is 01:11:46 Like my patient's gonna freaking kill herself because of this freaking facelift that I did on her. And like, what do I do? I called one of my best friends, a psychiatrist. And I say, Brian, like, this is what's going on. Like, what do I do? And he goes, you need to tell her mom to call the police and send her to the hospital immediately.
Starting point is 01:12:01 Cause you know, if she's suicidal, you've got to do that. So I'm like, okay. So I call her mom up and I'm like, hey, this is Dr. Yoon. I'm calling, you left me a message about your daughter and you said she is suicidal. Is that true? And she goes, what?
Starting point is 01:12:13 Suicidal, what are you talking about? And I go, well, this is what message was left. And she goes, no, no, that's a figure of speech. She needs more money to pay for what you did to her. And I'm like, oh my gosh. like this is an 80 year old woman, 85 year old woman trying to like blackmail me for more money. Oh my gosh. So I'm like, look, I'm sorry, this conversation's over.
Starting point is 01:12:34 And like that was the end of it. But. And you never heard from them again? So I referred her initially when she called before I saw her and that whole crazy episode happened. And I gave her some names of some local surgeons who are much older than me who've been very established and so I ran into one of them at a meeting a couple years later and he was like hey Tony I'm like oh hey how's it going and and he's like you know that one patient
Starting point is 01:12:58 I'm like oh I know you're talking about he goes she's effing crazy. And I'm like, yeah. She was just looking for a paycheck. I think that she saw this young, naive, nice surgeon and got a nice result. I think part of it may be BDD, like, by dysmorphia. And part of it's like, I'm gonna take this guy for everything he has. And now I would handle that experience very differently in my career.
Starting point is 01:13:23 I would never let somebody talk to me that way. But at the time I was literally four months in practice and like I was so green and just wanting to make everybody happy and develop this little practice. And it's like so traumatic. I hate that. I would think being a plastic surgeon, you would deal with everybody that comes in
Starting point is 01:13:41 that has body dysmorphia. I know I have body dysmorphia. It's like at least 10% of patients, yeah. And it's tough. It can be really hard. Crazy. Yeah, but you know, in the end, it's the problem with body dysmorphia.
Starting point is 01:13:52 I mean, you say, look, I have body dysmorphia. The fact that you say that means you probably really don't have much of it. And you may have some of it, because one huge thing with body dysmorphia is that people who have it don't believe they have it. You know, and so somebody will say, hey, they've got like a little bump on their nose and for you and I we may see them and go, oh, there's a little bump there,
Starting point is 01:14:10 their nose looks fine, but to them that bump is the size of Mount Rushmore and they don't understand why we can't see how horrible their nose looks and so a lot of times them they'll undergo surgery after surgery after surgery to correct a perceived problem that was never even there in the first place and they don't even and and for them the reality is very different you know they see things that we literally don't see like it's their reality. They tell me I have body dysmorphia all the time. You think so Mimi? You feel like answering a few more questions? Yeah of course I won't be so long-winded on the next one. No, you're fine.
Starting point is 01:14:45 I love it. I love learning about this stuff and listening to it. It's just fascinating to me. Like, I've always wanted to ask a plastic surgeon, what is it like? I don't know if this is too graphic, but what is it like the first time you cut into a body? So we do that in medical school and residency. the good thing is that you're not the first one to do it, so you're assisting. And I think it's the first time it's your patient
Starting point is 01:15:14 is when it's really scary. Right, that's what, yeah. Because being a resident, there was always backup. Like when we did surgery in residency, you had the older surgeon basically saying, like, cut here. I remember the first time they actually, I was operating with the surgeon, I was, I think maybe an intern,
Starting point is 01:15:30 and I was doing essentially, it was a hernia. And that's like one of the basic operations. And I'd never started an operation before. And we're standing there over the patient, and he goes, Tony, get started. And I had a clamp in my hand, no, I had nothing in my hand. He goes, Tony, get started.
Starting point is 01:15:44 And I had never started an operation before. So I'm like, uh, and I had a clamp in my hand, no, I had nothing in my hand. He goes, Tony, get started. And I had never started an operation before. So I'm like, and I grabbed the clamp off of the Mayo stand, which is the stand that the scrub techs have. And he looks at me like, you idiot, are you gonna make a cut with a clamp? I'm like, oh no, can I have a scalpel please? So you gotta start in somewhere. That's what I mean like I could never do it. I would probably pass out. No because it's baby steps you know. I mean our
Starting point is 01:16:11 training you know for me my training started when I was a medical student and literally you're talking I mean I did six years. My husband is facetiming and I know he wants to say hi to you so hold on one second. Hello, Jelly Roll. Big fan, my friend. Big fan. Oh, man. That's that's an honor. I love you. We're in the middle of the pod.
Starting point is 01:16:33 But I told him that I know you were calling just to say hi to him. Love you. Goodbye. Sorry. So I just know that he was calling to say, it's all good. Now. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's it's baby steps. Yeah. I remember back, you know was calling to say hi to you. It's all good. No, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's baby steps.
Starting point is 01:16:47 I remember back, now it's like you start from literally doing the tiniest little procedures. I remember the first time I did a spinal tap on a little baby. And I was so nervous as a medical student. But the attending pediatrician was just so gentle and reassuring that you learn these things of how to help teach. And I think the big thing a lot of surgeons forget is that we
Starting point is 01:17:11 were once at that beginning stage too. So occasionally I'll have residents come work with me and stuff like that. And I think a lot of surgeons forget what it was like when you were at the bottom of the totem pole. And my third book was called Playing God and it's this idea that surgeons have of this God complex where they feel that they are just so superior sometimes to everybody else because they lose track of where they started. For me, I look at that medical student
Starting point is 01:17:35 that was so excited to do a spinal tap and then so nervous because here's this little kid, this little baby, all the way up to now where it's like, yeah, I've had people say, thank you for saving my life. And I've cut people's skin open and pull out. It's like when you think about it, like how arrogant do you have to be to think that you can cut somebody open, especially in plastic surgery, where they're completely healthy
Starting point is 01:17:56 and you make them unhealthy for a period of time, expecting that they're going to be healthy again. Right. And that that's how you make your living. Like how arrogant does it have to be? It's beautiful, but it's so barbaric at the same time. It can be I had high-def vasor lipo And then I also had fat transferred to my ass and I'm telling you I don't know the healing for that was brutal like yeah, it was crazy and
Starting point is 01:18:20 It's just it's fascinating to know that you can cut somebody open, take stuff out, sew them up again, and then the outcome is absolutely gorgeous. Well, it's like I said earlier, this idea of auto-juvenation, it's your body has innate regenerative abilities to rejuvenate itself. Like, our body wants to heal itself. It wants to be healthy.
Starting point is 01:18:40 It wants to be vibrant and youthful, you know? And it's like you do things like that, you traumatize your body, and it heals, and within a few weeks it's like, wow, I'm back to exercising and stuff like that. It's just once again, we need to ideally give it the abilities, not the abilities, but the tools to do that and the environment to do that,
Starting point is 01:18:59 and that's what I think is so missing in a lot of today's lifestyle, and that's one of the big things I really bring up in the book. How do you do that? What tools do you give your body to get you feeling young and healthy and vibrant? I think that there's so many people today
Starting point is 01:19:16 that go through life not knowing how amazing they can feel. They don't know that all that gluten that they're eating potentially is causing them to feel real crummy. Unless they do what you did did go on an elimination diet. We get rid of some of those things It's like we have this thing in the book called the 21 day jumpstart Where in three weeks or 21 days based what we do is we put them on a collagen supporting Healthy diet we start them on intermittent fasting weeks two and three not not week one because we wanna kinda ease them into it. We put them on certain supplements and skincare.
Starting point is 01:19:47 And we do it just for 21 days. And the changes that we saw were incredible. Once again, giving your body just the right tools. We had people, and it's not like a face lift. Like if you got jowls, you do a 21 day jump start, I have to do a 21 day jump start. So I can get rid of jowls or loose skin or whatever. But we had people where they were,
Starting point is 01:20:03 where actual strangers would approach them on the street and say, what are you doing with your skin? Because I need to do what you're doing. Or they go out to dinner with their friends not knowing that they're doing this jumpstart and their friends would be like, wow, your skin looks amazing. Are you doing something different? Like what's going on here? And it's just allowing your body to use those natural regenerative abilities to you know, don't get in the way of it you know and give it those things. I'm excited to read your books I can't wait now that I know that you have four I'm really excited because I'm an information junkie I always just want
Starting point is 01:20:32 to consume so I'm super excited about that. It says I have factor five Leaden clotting disorder with previous DVT slash PE. Would I ever be allowed to have elective surgery? Um, the answer is yes. So what she says is she's got a clotting disorder and the fact that she's had a DVT or a PE is a big deal. In your leg, right? Yes.
Starting point is 01:20:54 So pulmonary embolism, right? Yes. It's a, a PE is a pulmonary embolism. A DVT is a deep vein thrombosis where you get a clot in your deep veins. That can kill you. When you look at people who die from plastic surgery, then the most common cause is a DVT, a deep vein thrombosis, a clot in your leg
Starting point is 01:21:10 that eventually goes to your lungs being a PE, and then people die from that. Goodness. And the ways to prevent that would be, number one, to walk after surgery. Number two, to have less length of an operation, a shorter operation. And so for her, having that risk, most doctors, if she came to see me and wanted a high risk
Starting point is 01:21:32 operation like a tummy tuck, I would probably say, depending on what her condition was, if it was really purely cosmetic, it wasn't that bad, then I would really talk to her, like, are these risks worth the benefits? Because you can put a patient like that on blood thinners and help lower the risk of that happening but then you increase the risk of bleeding okay because you put them on blood thinners afterwards so you can technically do it but do you want to go through that that's going to be the big question so it comes down to what operation you're thinking of and then is it worth taking the risk of going on
Starting point is 01:22:04 blood thinners for that operation? And so let's say if her situation, she says look Dr. Yoon, I've had four kids, I've got skin that's hanging down to my mid-thigh, it's chafes, I've got infections and stuff like that, then it may be worth taking that risk. If it's well I kind of want implants because I'm a C and I want to be a D,
Starting point is 01:22:22 then maybe it's not really worth taking that risk, because know, because do you want to potentially die from that? And so really it's weighing those risks benefits. It's most important. It's a great answer though, for sure. Gosh, I have pulmonary, I just ripped my calf muscle on Halloween. It was the worst thing ever. And I kept telling everybody, I was like, I'm going to get a blood clot. I know it.
Starting point is 01:22:42 I was like so scared because you know, I've never had that type of injury. It was, you got to walk. That's the big, I did. I did for sure. And I got a compression sock and I still worked out even with the injury. Like I was like, I'm determined to not do this. Um, what is the most common procedure that you do? And also what is your least favorite procedure to do?
Starting point is 01:23:00 Um, so the most common procedure in my office is Botox. I mean, we are injecting Botox all day long in my office. I've got five injectors. Yeah, I mean, it's great. And I've injected myself here before. I just got Daxify a few months ago, which is a believed to be a longer lasting version of Botox.
Starting point is 01:23:17 Is it like Disport? Disport is more, so Disport, Botox, and Daxify, you get the same result. The idea really is that the Daxify will last longer. And there's little minor tweaks in between. Like, Dysport is more of a softer result. Usually a lot of people believe it spreads a little bit more. Gotcha.
Starting point is 01:23:33 Daxify is mainly longer lasting. Gotcha. And so, in the office, the number one thing is gonna be Botox. As far as procedure surgery, my most common is breast implant surgery, is breast augmentation. Least favorite operation, honestly, was rhinoplasty.
Starting point is 01:23:49 I used to do a lot of rhinoplasties and I just never liked it. Brutal. So I stopped doing them. Why did you not like doing them? So I trained with them and I saw a lot of just, just nightmare, like revisions that would, not of my patients, but that you try to fix. And it it's just it's a really hard operation to get and it's
Starting point is 01:24:07 like a center of someone's face you know yeah and the problem with the thing I didn't like about rhinoplasty is that you could do such a good job it's so tedious and it's it's so tedious and the problem is you could get scar tissue that can develop that is not under your control that can really impact your result because just a millimeter of scar tissue on a nose can be visible from a normal speaking distance. Wow. And so because of that there's some of the result is without is not in your hands and so of all the surgeries we do cosmetically rhinoplasty or nose jobs has the highest revision rate where people wanna go back to surgery to fix it up.
Starting point is 01:24:46 And if you don't have your own operating room, which I do not, then you get into this really uncomfortable situation where if you get your nose done and you're unhappy with it and you want it to get revised, who pays for it? Right. You know, I could do it for free, but then who pays for the anesthesia in the operating room?
Starting point is 01:25:00 You know, and then you get into that situation, well, geez, if I think it's a good result, but the patient doesn't, do I then pay the bill for that to try to make them happy? Do they pay for it? Like it just, ugh. You're such a nice doctor. I just always felt bad. And so I just never liked it.
Starting point is 01:25:13 Most doctors would tell people to go F themselves. Yes. I've never told the patient to go F themselves. I've wanted to sometimes, usually the people I want to say that to are like the husbands or boyfriends of the patients. And they, I often want to say that too, but the people I want to say that to are like the husbands or boyfriends of the patients. They often want to say that too, but not the patients so much. Do you get that a lot? Like the boyfriends come in there and they're just like, like putting their input on what
Starting point is 01:25:32 they want their girlfriends. It drives me nuts. Yeah. If you see my social media, that's a lot of what I do is because like you just sometimes sit there and like, I mean, it baffles you what some of these guys are doing. Like I had a patient just not that long ago who had a complication from another surgeon and came to see me.
Starting point is 01:25:49 This patient was literally lied when they said, oh you know I wanna get a consultation, it was for breast implants. And I wanna get a consultation for breast implants, we got her in and then she came in, she had a tummy tuck done by me before which had healed fine. And she had had surgery literally three weeks
Starting point is 01:26:03 before she came to see me. Oh my gosh. She had implants put in by a different doctor and she was had surgery literally three weeks before she came to see me. Oh my gosh. She had implants put in by a different doctor and she was really unhappy. No, she had her implants taken out, that's what it was. She had her implants taken out, she had an X-Plant and it was a mess. And so she came in to see me and she's like,
Starting point is 01:26:18 and the consult was for an X-Plant, but they didn't tell my office that it was three weeks but she had it by another doctor. So I'm looking at her and it was an, like when you do explant surgery, and essentially these are taking implants out of somebody. Now if you've got, like you had large breasts, and so you take your implants out
Starting point is 01:26:36 and your breasts just look smaller and they look flatter. But if you don't have enough breast tissue and you take implants out, it can look like a balloon that deflated but stayed stretched out essentially. So that's what you do fluff back up though, after it took a, see mine fluffed up a lot after I'd have to say six months to a year, my boobs look like they did when they, I was 19. Like they were like, I, maybe I was a lucky one, but usually that's not the
Starting point is 01:27:03 case. Yeah. I mean, I, I, everybody thinks I still have implants yeah yeah I mean it's probably just naturally you've got large breasts and I do think that sometimes the body wants to be a certain size right this patient was a mess just like it was three weeks out and she's like what do I do and I said look the only way for us to fix this honestly is to put smaller implants back in, and then heal, give it six months to heal, then we'll take those
Starting point is 01:27:28 out and do this the right way. I go, that's the only way I can fix you. The other surgeon recommended in fat grafting, but her, she had so many of these folds in her breasts where things had deflated and has scarred in and we're starting to scar in. I'm like, I can't fix that. We have to put the implants back in, reinflate you, and then we'll do it the right way. And she goes, yeah, that's the right thing to do. She goes, that sounds correct.
Starting point is 01:27:49 And her husband's like, nope, we're not doing that. And I look at him, I'm like, what? And she looks at him, she's like, I think this makes total sense. The other doctor really messed it up and it doesn't look right. He goes, that's not my plan, I've got my own plan for you. And he was some type of a doctor,
Starting point is 01:28:03 but he was not a plastic surgeon. Yeah, and so I'm looking at him like, oh, okay, and I explained exactly, like this is what totally makes sense. And it really, when you look at her body, like 100%, this is a way to get her looking the way she wanted to. And he is just like, nope, I've got my own plans. And thank you so much for your time, doctor.
Starting point is 01:28:20 We're leaving. Like what? After she is like, yes, this makes sense to me. Let's do this, Dr. Yoon. And then he's sitting there, and they have this arms folded, and it's like, nope, nope, you're not doing that. I got my own plans for you. And like, what kind of doctor?
Starting point is 01:28:35 Maybe it's a podiatrist, for all I know. Why is he deciding what she should have done? You hear this all, this type of stuff, all the time. I don't think I've ever brought a man into my plastic surgery appointments because I it's my body and I'm gonna do what I want With it. I don't care what their opinion is. So ladies leave them in at home unless they're supportive. Yes Yeah, I mean and and I'd say 95% of men who are there are super supportive Yeah, whatever you want like you I I don't think you need anything. You're beautiful the way you are But whatever you want, I'll support you and, that's the way you got to do it.
Starting point is 01:29:06 But every so often you get some guys that are just like, uh, yeah, I want her to be bigger than that. And you're just like, well, like she's like, I like this size. I'm like, honey, you told me you're going to go bigger. You know, I like big breasts. And it's like, oh, I can't stay on that. It just, yeah. Like you just want to smack them. Let's touch base on your social media because you have a huge following on
Starting point is 01:29:26 TikTok. You're at like what? 8.1 million. I think I'm at 8.3. Yeah, like that's insane. You are TikTok's plastic surgeon. Yeah, it's kind of funny. Do you love it? All the teenagers, they recognize me and my kids get a kick out of it. Oh, I love that. I'm actually somehow the cool dad. I was never the cool teenager, but I'm somehow the cool dad. Isn't it crazy how life comes full circle? It's more like not a full circle, more like 180 degrees.
Starting point is 01:29:52 Aw, but I mean, you do such a good job. Like, do you have a marketing team or do you do that all yourself? No, it's all me. I love that. Yeah, it's when the pandemic hit and I started creating content, I was trying to figure out how do I pay my employees? I love that. Yeah, it's when the pandemic hit and I started creating content,
Starting point is 01:30:05 I was trying to figure out how do I pay my employees and the biggest check I was getting was from Google, from my YouTube channel. So I'm like, well, let me create more content and I wasn't worried about getting patients in because my office was closed for two and a half months. So I was like, let me just create content that could make people smile,
Starting point is 01:30:21 take them out of the crazy, lonely, scary time for even 30 seconds. And it's like what you're doing. I mean, I love what you're doing. It's like you give people a chuckle. It's like you're not taking yourself too seriously. You can't. And people love that.
Starting point is 01:30:33 And one of the best things I got is I had all these messages after things kind of opening up and it's like, hey, thank you for keeping me company during the pandemic. Yeah. I was lonely and you helped keep me company. I'm like, oh, that's so cool. It's amazing what just a smile can do for somebody. You never know who's watching that video on the other end.
Starting point is 01:30:54 And I think it's awesome that you have created this community of a safe space where people can actually come to you and you're actually accessible. Most plastic surgeons or doctors of your stature are not accessible. And I think that like doctors of your stature are not accessible and I think that's what kind of sets you apart. So I think that part of it is like, it's weird like not caring about clout gives you clout. Right. And there's so many people in my field who are buying followers, you know, you could tell like, you know, they've got like, you
Starting point is 01:31:19 know, more more Instagram followers than me, but they get like three comments and three comments and 20,000 likes. And you're like, what? Like, there's something wrong here, you know? And it's- Yeah, you're like, what's going on? Yeah, the field of plastic surgery, it's, there's a lot of really good doctors out there.
Starting point is 01:31:33 And then there's a lot of people who are just, they want clout and they want money. And like, that's all that matters. And it's just, it's nuts. Yeah. You know, and there's so much more to life than that. Yeah, so. Sitting here talking to you makes me have faith in the medical field again because for the longest time
Starting point is 01:31:50 I lost hope because you run into so many doctors who don't have a heart and don't care about their patients and you know sitting Here with you for this past, you know hour and a half two hours has been kind of healing because we need more doctors like you in the world and people who actually Really care and have a heart and you know want people to heal and not just hurt. So thank you. I think that there's a lot of doctors who want that. I think there's a lot of doctors unfortunately right now that don't know what they don't know and what we're talking about a lot of things we're talking about with kind of alternative
Starting point is 01:32:18 medicine and holistic medicine and looking at the root cause of both aging as well as disease. and looking at the root cause of both aging as well as disease, there is a big trend towards going in that direction and I'm really happy to see that. And eventually, traditional medicine's gonna get there because for me, I believe that the best approach when you're looking at health is combining both the East and West.
Starting point is 01:32:39 Is it true what we call integrative approach where you combine traditional medicine, which is definitely needed. When you get injured, you need traditional medicine. But with alternative medicine and progressive kind of health where we're looking at things like your environmental exposures, like what you're putting on your skin,
Starting point is 01:32:54 like the type of food that you're eating, all that is so, so important. And they're just not getting it in traditional medical school much at all. But there's a trend that direction. And I have faith in the younger generation that they're gonna make the world a better place than what, you know, see I'm Gen X. You're a millennial.
Starting point is 01:33:11 No, I'm 43. You're a millennial I think. Nope, I'm Gen X. You're X with me? Well as I say, I mean I feel like our generation has dropped the ball a little bit. Like I feel like the, I see my kids and their generation and I feel like they're less judgmental than we are. They care more about the environment and the world
Starting point is 01:33:33 and doing the right thing in general. That's because we raised them right. Our parents, we kind of had to get our parents' trauma pushed on us and their, the way that they were raised pushed on us, whereas we kind of figured it out for ourselves as we got older so now we're getting we're giving them the opportunity to be less non-judgmental and more open to things. I think there's definitely something there yeah but I have faith in that you know that the world is always you know and then you
Starting point is 01:34:00 know it always goes in the right direction eventually and fits and starts and ups and downs but eventually it goes in the right direction eventually, and fits and starts and ups and downs, but eventually it goes in the right direction. I love it. Dr. Tony, your book comes out January 2nd, correct? And it's gonna be, they could buy it anywhere? So yes, it's called Younger for Life. It's wherever books are sold. I try to encourage people to support your local bookstore.
Starting point is 01:34:19 One way you can do that is if you go to bookshop.org. Bookshop.org is a website where, kind of like Amazon or Barnes & Noble and stuff like that, where if you actually to bookshop.org. Bookshop.org is a website where kind of like Amazon or Barnes and Noble and stuff like that, where if you actually put the book in there and you can actually choose your local independent bookstore and anything that you buy, that profit of that sale will go to that independent bookstore. Oh wow, I never knew that.
Starting point is 01:34:37 Yeah, so if you've got a little one, like a small bookstore in your community, and they're not big enough to have their own big website and fancy website, most of the time they're gonna be on bookshop org And if you buy the book like my book younger for life on there You can choose that bookstore and then actually give the profit to them. So it's really cool. But otherwise, it's at Costco It's a target. It's everywhere. You know, I don't want to get those places mad at me
Starting point is 01:34:57 How accomplished do you feel though being an author of four books like that's amazing? I'm writing my first book this year and I couldn't even imagine having four. It's like having a baby. You're proud of it, but it can be quite painful, the writing process. But in the end, like when you see the results of it and you hear from people whose lives are changed from it, it definitely makes that path worthwhile. That's amazing. You guys go out and get this book when it drops. By the time this, this will probably be coinciding with your drop too. So yeah, so you guys go out and get this book when it drops by the time this, this will probably be coinciding with your drop too. So yeah, so, um, you guys go out and get this book. I'm going to read it. So I'm sure you guys will hear about it on future podcasts. Dr. Tony,
Starting point is 01:35:32 thank you so much for coming and just sitting with me and I just love picking your brain and I, you need to come back like once a year. I'd love that. Definitely. Yeah, that would be awesome. Why don't you tell people where they can find you and your practice and plug all things. So I'm all over social media. If you're interested in the book, go to autojuvenation.com. We talked about autojuvenation, the kind of five ways to target that. But autojuvenation.com, if you do buy the book, we do have free gifts, including a companion recipe book with really tasty recipes.
Starting point is 01:36:01 We give a $30 gift certificate to my online store, Youn Beauty. So I've got my own line of natural and organic skin care products. Yes, which he brought me a whole bag right here. Yes, I hope you like them. I'm going to rub them all over my face tonight. You guys have no idea how excited I am. The idea is that Youn Beauty is a combination of medical grade products that are natural and organic.
Starting point is 01:36:20 The idea is to bridge the gap between natural products and medical grade products so that you kind of have the best of both. So we give you a gift certificate for that. There's a quick start guide, a bunch of other things. If you get the book, go to autojuvenation.com. Yay, love that. And then social media is just Dr. Tony everywhere? It's Dr. Yoon.
Starting point is 01:36:37 And then Instagram, I'm TonyYoonMD because I can't get anybody there to let me change my name. Are you verified? Otherwise it's Dr. Yoon everywhere. I'm verified everywhere. Yeah, that's why. Once you're verified, you can't change my name so are you verified you and everywhere I'm verified everywhere yeah that's why I want you're verified you can't change your name you just I can't get a hold of anybody at Instagram either way but all the other ones I can but yeah you can just find me but dr. you and you'll find me I'm very easy to find I'm everywhere you're awesome thank you so much
Starting point is 01:36:56 appreciate it all right thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde I'll see you guys next week bye

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