Dumb Blonde - TBT: Farrah Abraham

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Bunnie gets up close and personal with the iconic mother-daughter duo that refuses to be defined by rumors or the past. Farrah Abraham and Sophia sit down for an unfiltered chat about their lives navigating fame and family ties. Farrah spills the tea on all the tabloid tales, from Nicki Minaj beefs to poop sales. She also gives a sneak peek at her upcoming comedy tour, where she's taking her candid humor nationwide to break trauma bonds through laughter. Sophia reflects on her passion for music and how she learned to follow her own path while growing up under a microscope. Farrah Abraham: IG | Website Sophia: IG. Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. What's up you sexy motherfuckers. Welcome to another episode of Dun Blonde. Today I have a mother daughter duo, which is a first for me because I normally don't do mother daughter duos, but these two have grown up together in the public eye and I figured what better duo to bring on than Sophia and Farrah Abrams. Yes, I know. What a good duo. That is true.

I feel like we've definitely grown up together. I am her mom. But yes. I just want to say you look beautiful. Thank you. I feel like the tabloids attack you so much for work that you get done. And I mean, they attack me too, so I know how it feels. But it's like, seeing you in person, I'm like, you look fucking gorgeous.

What are they talking about? Yeah, thanks. You know, I can't help but social media cameras look like that cracks me up. Because literally, as we're flying in here, I'm like, Sophia, someone tagged me on this crazy artwork of my botched face that doesn't look like my botched face. I'm like, this is funny today. This gives me some laughter.

Sophia is just like laughs at it too, but I'm like, I'm really happy I don't do like much work. I take things out of my face. I really am on a journey of like really getting back to myself. And so it's kind of funny when I just do a live and our cameras are weird and people think I've gone crazy with plastic surgery,

but that's not the case. Well, I figured it out because I went down a wormhole just like reading. And it's because you use filters. And so honestly, the same thing was happening to me. People were like, how much work have you had done? And I'm like pro I've had Botox and fucking a little bit of filler in my lips done like what are they talking about and that's because gone

The filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do because you're sitting here And you look gorgeous, so I'm just like I do have my Farah filter that Has like had billions of hits and I love it and If I don't like to get ready that day, I will totally use that. Yeah What have you had done so that we can clarify that with everybody? Well, I you know, okay, so I will just say I have had a nose job I have had a chin implant. I and then I just dabble here and there

with fillers at times that go, they stay, they go. But I also was trying to do a lip implant and I was on Botch, the show, because I almost died from that. And I took out my chin implant. But for some reason- You did take out the chin implant? Yeah, I took out my chin implant. But for some reason. You did take out the chin implant? Yeah, I took out my chin implant.

And for some reason, people always go back and compare. Farrah looks great like this with the face that had a chin implant, a swollen nose from a surgery. I was actually really depressed at that year of my life. That was the most, what's it called, when you're just? The lowest, your lowest point. Yeah, it's like a face dysmorphia. When you have body dysmorphia.

I had that at that time when I had that chin implant. And so for people to say, oh, we love Farrah better then when I was definitely anti-myself and peer-pressured and just like, oh, I wanna look good. That was just way too much. So I love my face now. I love who I am. I love coming back to myself.

Maybe just rejuvenation and skin tightening and really taking care and upkeep of myself is what I pride myself on. And that's good good self love. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, no. I think people get it twisted. They're like, women get filter fillers and Botox and stuff like that.

They're like, oh, she must be unhappy with herself. And it's like, no, I like to invest in myself. Your body is an investment. It is an investment. It's a temple. You got to dress it up or dress it down, whatever you want to do. But it's your body to do that with. So well, yeah, enough about your looks.

I just wanted to hone in on that because I feel like the tabloids just tear you apart for that and that's not fair. No, you know, so I don't like that at all. But Sophia, we have you sitting here too. How are you doing, baby? I'm doing good. She just got her tongue pierced. So she said she doesn't want to talk a lot.

The tongue piercing actually caused a ton of controversy. I know people hate a lot. I on like every single piercing I get and it's just like chill. Like it's not that big of a deal, you know, but I do know some people are really strict about that growing up and but it's just me and I feel like getting piercings enhances my looks and I feel really confident about them and I make sure to piercings enhances my looks and I feel really confident about them and I make sure to get ones that I know I would actually look good in.

So yeah, I'm confident in my piercings and I love them and they are all healing really good. I love that. Good, so yeah. I love that. I went through a piercing phase when I was young too. I did it behind my parents' back though because they wouldn't allow it. How do you feel about everybody just questioning Yeah, I love that. I went through a piercing phase when I was young, too. I did it behind my parents' back, though,

because they wouldn't allow it. How do you feel about everybody just questioning your parenting because you let your kid get, what is it, a tongue piercing and snake bites? Yeah, good point, Bunny. Segue to how I feel. So we've had parents even come with us to the piercing place on her birthday.

And I do see the psychological spiral that other parents go through when they're seeing Sophia choose this, consent to do this. I have to sign off as a parent and give consent to it. And I'm not there to freak out, go in a spiral, like shame, blame, reject my child. I'm here to make sure my child's seen, she is safe, and she is supported.

So if those three things are always top of mind, then I know that what I'm doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in my parent journey are right where they need to be for my child. So yeah, I could say a lot about other parents and what they feel about me and my daughter's friends as parents, but I also know once they calm themselves and maybe do a therapy session, they usually text me and really are like, wow, you opened my eyes to parenting in a different way. I love that.

Yeah, I was never the girl, though. I was never the kid growing up to be like, could I get a piercing? Could I get a tattoo? Could I get this? Could I get that? It was just no one ever had any of those things growing up. And so I just never thought about it.

And when I'm famous and people are just like, I'll give you free this, free this, free this, free tattoos. Like I could tattoo up my whole body. I could do all that. I just, myself personally, I'm not prepared for that. But I see like Sophia is prepared. She's at that point in her mental state, in her life, and she can do that.

And I'm not the person to, I don't know, I've just gone through this whole thing with a lot of legal battles that I am going through. And I learned so much about consent culture and leading with that and allowing someone to have their will, their rights, their freedoms. And I think that's just very important on maybe the littlest things, like a piercing or tattoos. And so I'm just, again, those three things, scenes Dave supported.

That's all I need to be for my child. I never thought that I would agree with you more. I totally feel the same way, because I feel like in this generation of parenting and children, because we have a 16-year-, she's about to be 16. Woo! There's so much more shit, you gotta choose your battles. There's so much more shit, worse shit,

that these kids could get into, excuse my language, that these kids could be getting into. And it's like, if they wanna get a piercing, they're gonna, it's either, it's a phase or it's not. I kept mine for 20 years, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, if Bailey wants to come to me and get a piercing, that's going to make me happy because she could be like doing other things that are way worse behind my our parents back. And I just totally agree with that. I think making kids feel seen and heard and letting them be who they want to be and

having free will is an amazing route to go. How do you feel about that? Do you love that your mom lets you get piercings and stuff like that? Yeah, I'm very grateful that she supports all my decisions in my piercings. We love your look. We were just talking about it. I was like, if I could look like Sophia, I would, because that's really how I look on the inside. I love Sophia's look too. And I'm happy with whatever looks she decides and what she loves. Yeah, I just feel like I was just raised in a different way. I was called a witch for wanting a rhinoplasty. By your mom?

Yeah, by my mom. So I know that that doesn't give anyone self-worth, feeling worthy. And that is number one. If you have fame or if you have anything, your self-worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. Like I was very much predeterred on

and still dealing with some of those problems. So I'm just trying to set up a next generation to have that sacred. Safe space. Yeah, that safe place be seen, know who they are, and not seek that in other people. Not seek validation in other people. Speaking of moms, would you consider

your mom your best friend? I mean, yeah, she is my mom. I am your mom. My best friend. Yeah, thank you, Sophie. I love you. You're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to give you, Sophie. I love you. You're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to give you a hug.

Aw. Aw, I love you, honey. I love you. You guys have pretty much grown up together. The world has watched both of you guys grow up. Literally you, as a baby, you have grown up in front of the world. And I think that's why everybody is so obsessed with you now.

You're kind of like the new It Girl on TikTok right now, because everybody's like, what's Sophia doing? Yeah. Sophia does not like to show much that she does though. Yeah. That could be the emo in her, but yes. Not emo, I'm goth. Oh goth.

That could be the goth in her. Describe to us, explain to us what the difference between emo and goth is just in case people at home don't know. So I do know that there is many types of goth as just in case people at home don't know. So I do know that there is many types of goths out there, like traditional goth and just, I would say, regular goth. But emo is like regular dark clothes, I feel like, and accessories.

I mean, today I'm kind of emo because I didn't want to go all out. But goth I feel like is like black dresses, corsets, and lots of jewelry, sometimes belts. I follow a lot of goth people on TikTok and they are so cool. I admire them and I want to be like traditional goth I feel like one day. But yeah today I'm kind of emo I would say. I love goth, I love emo, I love it all. I always thought it was music selection. I always thought Mimi haven't we talked about this before? Isn't like emo and goth like music selection? Isn't it music and interest of like the culture because like emo culture is significantly different

than a golf culture. What your interests are, per se, of those things, and their music is completely 50-50 different. Right. That's awesome. Farrah, do you feel like you are having an opportunity to be the mom that you never had with Sophia? Yeah.

I don't know if it's the opportunity to be the mom that I never have, but I have one opportunity to be the best parent that I can be in my life. I have no competition with my mom, my grandma, my sister. I have no competition with anyone to be the best mom. I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be. And I was given eye-opening experiences in my lifetime to say like, I'm not repeating that with my child. So like public school, it wasn't going to

be repeated. I had a superintendent as a neighbor, no matter how much we push and push and push, to have a better, safer public school environment, it just never happened for me. Fights, bad situations, and I guess when a public or governmental system fails, I take it upon myself to just lead. So I found best homeschooling practices and whatever else for Sophia's career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out that path. So I definitely am just like I'm on this journey

and figuring out as fast and as best as I can. I don't think anybody knows how to be a parent. I inherited a child, and we're still figuring it out. We got full custody of Bailey seven years ago. And nobody gives you a handbook and says, hey, this is how you have to be a parent. And there's also no one size fits all to being a parent. Every child is different.

Every emotion, every personality, it's just all different. And so I think what I think as long as Sophia is happy and healthy and feels like she's safe, that's you're already winning. Yeah. And do you feel these things, Sophia? She's shaking her head over here. Yeah. I mean, everyone is different.

I mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned, and I got my brain scanned. From Doc Amen, right? Dr. Amen. How was that? Because I was going to do that with him too, but I chickened out. Yeah, it is life changing.

I feel like that is literally what I mean. To know yourself better than anyone else could tell you who you are. I think that's probably like the biggest gift in our journey of life is to know yourself, see yourself fully, not guess from a therapist and be like oh I have this, I'm dealing with this and well let's try to like guess. But I also think for children who just aren't diagnosed properly with different ADA compliances, I just was kind of tired of not having the help or the support and that's why we kept switching schools.

But myself, I found out that I was like ADA compliant, ADHD, I like when I was 29 and to go through my whole life of people just wrongfully firing me telling me I'm difficult like girls Not liking me my family like kind of disowning me. I just was like Hey, I can't be mad at them. I can't dislike them. I can't like have hate towards them But I also know like I just need people who are educated around me. I need to thrive I'm done with all that traumatic like, I just need people who are educated around me. I need to thrive. I'm done with all that traumatic crisis behavior. And just, I really want to have education in my journey

now as parenting. So you feel like getting that diagnosis helped kind of clear things up for you? Oh, yeah. Oh, this is why I've acted the way that I've acted. And this is why people have perceived me of how I've been acting. And I also think like dating. acted the way that I've acted. And this is why people have perceived me of how I've been acting.

And I also think dating, when you know what your brain type is and what you like, I think only certain dating shows show, oh, this is a pet peeve and this is what I don't like. But if we really started employing brain matching and those psychological factors, we would find our soul mates faster. We would understand what we need like what's gonna be a good match for us. So

describe to me what a brain match is. So Dr. Aiman has something free online and it's like a brain survey and you find your brain type. So I have brain type two Sophia's 10 right? Yeah Pardon me, yeah. Sophia's Varenetype 10. Can you describe what they are to me? Like, what is a 2 and what is a 10? OK, so part of me with my ADHD and a tenant disorder is like I will short-term memory loss. I can't recite it back.

I'd have to look it up. So just being frank. So mine's like, I don't even know. I forgot the foods, types of friends, types of jobs. OK, I don't even know. I forgot like the foods, types of friends, types of jobs. Okay. So it breaks it down. Yeah, they break it down. They kind of make it individualistic. And yeah. So when I went on this like 12 step dating journey and learning how to date again, and we were talking so much. So she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just was not happening there. So she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just

was not happening there. And I was talking to these people in depth about intentional dating, trying to figure out their brain types. And sure enough, the boyfriend I have right now, he has the same brain type as me. He took the survey. And he's going to get his brain scanned. That's like us with the autism test.

I don't know. We make everybody that wants to come in our circle and hang out take the autism test because I am high on the autism thing. So is Haley and so is Mimi. We all are like. Oh, I have no idea. What's the autism test? Oh, I'm going to give it to you.

Oh, yeah, please. What is it? RADS? Yeah, we'll send it to you. I would love to take this autism test. No, please. You guys have to take it tonight, and I want to know you guys' scores.

OK. So does this mean everyone has autism? I mean, I think a lot of us have a splash of it, for sure. For some reason, that didn't show up on my brain scan. I just want to let you know. I don't know if I can be in your friend group. Yeah. Does autism show up on brain scans?

I wonder if it does or if it doesn't. I'm not positive about that. From what I know, he does describe how he diagnoses people with certain levels of autism and many different kind of brains. Okay, I didn't know that. I'm trying to think back. Well, anyways, there's graphs. I also did direct neurofeedback for my brain too after having a brain scan and they talked about all different

kinds of things to correct it, help those. So I did like 200 sessions of that. That's amazing. I love that you're always working on yourself. Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now I'm kind of done with it, but it was needed. Take me on this journey that you did a 12-step therapy, trauma therapy program. Yeah, I did.

And I think it was, it's going to be two years in March, I did a trauma 12-step program. I think that's what it was, like a recovery program. And literally changed my life. So I had the reason why I finally went, I feel like a lot of us don't understand like if you could search up like spiritual melody chart I didn't know what that was at all until I stepped foot in here

But I saw it in life all of us see it in life like when we're looking at Someone going through a hard time maybe depression maybe anxiety all these, their spiritual melody is being like upset. And when someone reaches such a certain level, they're at risk of harming themselves, death, whatever, attracting a lot of negative things. So at the time when I was going to the trauma center, I was kind of stuck in a repetitive pattern that was attracting a lot of criminal activity to me. And now it's so funny because after the center I

just attract the best people to me. Right. So I think that's something to keep in mind if you are feeling like whoa I keep dating lots of bad people I keep like being attacked on the street I keep having a lot of fights and arguments. It's because you need a reset, you need to recover. And a lot of people just don't think they deserve trauma help. So when you went to the, what was this exact program? Was it like to actually treat like childhood trauma? Or was it like, Oh, so I was um sexually assaulted um recently it wasn't like in childhood and I think a lot of the people who I met they had significant amount of like sexual assaults trauma those type of things very deep like veterans were there. All sorts of things that they had held on

for a very long time. I think with one trauma, like a sexual assault trauma, I don't think I could endure or live if I didn't go get help. So I was like, I need something. Can you talk about the sexual assault? What happened? Is this the situation that happened with the mayor?

Yeah, I mean we're like really dealing with all that stuff like right now. So I don't like me to like hold anything back because I'm sure it would help so many people. But I also know like we are dealing with someone who is systemic, habitually a rapist. So I probably don't want to give any fuel to that. But if we want to just talk about great things for other. Honestly, I said to myself this week, because I'm dealing with so many legal issues, I said to myself, I was like, I think

I'm going to have to break down and just go get a support group. Because I'm like. It's got to be tough to hold all that in and not talk about it. Yeah, because again, like rapey vibes, right? Rape culture vibes, opposite of consent, consensual vibes, is lying, continually like masking. And when you're going through a legal issue and someone's always lying and speaking for you and covering their ass and it's just like

huh you know I can journal about it but I also like I truly like to watch movies that dive into like someone making peace getting past it, and moving on. So it's like, I've made peace with it, I'm trying to move past it, but then you have these legal core problems that just go on for years, like my lawyer said at the beginning. And I just feel like my heart goes out to so many other rape victims

who are going through this stuff for years. It's just,'s just really tedious. Yeah, it's very hard. I do think talking about it, like you said, is probably the best thing, one, for you, therapy, and two, to help your testimony, something that you've survived and that you've gone through. So maybe people are able to connect with you

if they were to know more details of what had happened or what is going on. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just this is sad, but from reading so many legal documents about assaults, because again, I didn't understand the situation that I became a part of, which was a sexual assault problem. And so my lawyers just kept sending me a lot of legal documents to read of Jane Doe's. So I would understand what it looks like, why this happens, all these things. And then I got so interested in it and so passionate

that I was like, oh, I'm gonna go get a legal degree. I went down there, I got my paralegal certificate and I'm getting ready to do a JD in law. But I think the comment, like this is so weird that this happened at this time in my life. But I saw like innocent people not being believed. And then I saw a lot of people who actually lied, this could be men or women, lie about being sexually assaulted.

And I think learning from lawyers what we're looking at, how we're seeing that, how this comes up, you really know to fight for your truth, to stand firm, because others who lie and kind of like, men or women who they claim that they were assaulted by, stand firm because others who lie and kind of like men or women who they claim that they were assaulted by, that's like a whole other psychological thing. So I think there's a lot of trauma work no matter what.

Even if you're lying about it, if you're telling the truth, I've been going through all this stuff and breaking that down because I started writing a screenplay about it. And I used it in one of my Harvard classes for screenwriting. And I got to see it acted out with actors and read. And I think maybe just for me,

I would feel safer showing that in an artistic form, like a series. And I love watching movies and TV series that really help Comfort people who are actually really going through a long long legal battle With sexual assault because I think like Sophia showed me some funny episode on shameless about one of the guys like pretending that he got sexually assaulted and going through this whole process. And I think sometimes you need someone like my daughter to let you laugh and make light of a really deep, dark situation

that I was put on medication for. The medication wasn't helping. Were you raped? Yeah. Sexually assaulted. Or I don't know what that means to you raped? Yeah. Sexually assaulted. Or I don't know what that means to you, so sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know if you know what I'm saying.

There's so many different falls under that umbrella. A sexual assault could be being groped, could be being kissed when you don't want to be. That's why I asked if you were raped. So this was like some, oh, sorry. I didn't know that you didn't know that before. Yeah, so there you go. It's like, oh.

Sometimes you can limit yourself because you don't want to get too close to the problem at hand, right? Right. Just vulnerability. So yeah, I was drugged and woke up thinking, did someone set me up? Are, are we both in this together? Who would do this? And then I realized it was him who did that,

and I was stark naked, did not know where any of my clothes were. My necklace was broke and all that stuff, and it was just like, flight. Like, I just like ran. I just really didn't know how to behave. Yeah. So doing the best you can, and I think for a lot of other sexual assault victims,

you do the best you can when you are the crime scene. Straight up. It's just like a lot of people are like, I'm watching Crime Stoppers and Dateline and all these other criminal shows. But I think I was raised with that too. I love watching criminal shows too, but when you're in it, it's way different. It was literally like, sometimes I used to say, I different white carpets are doing these

things. Oh, it's so surreal. Being sexually assaulted and being the crime scene was surreal. That was like, it just felt like my brain and my body was not connected. And so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work, somatic experiencing work on that. That's heavy.

I've never heard anybody refer to themselves as the crime scene. That's pretty heavy. That's deep. Yeah. That's real. Moving on from that, I've heard you say a bunch of things in there, so let me see if I can catch up.

You said you did a screenplay in your Harvard class. So are you attending Harvard? So I actually got into an argument with Harvard about my neurodivergence. OK. So even though I'm ADA compliant and turn that in, yeah, so that lady kicked me out. Not the lady with screenwriting.

She gave me E for exemplary. She raved. She gave me E, for example, where she raved. She was like, this is what you need to do. And I think sometimes when you are going through trauma, the power of the pen and writing it and sharing it in a theatrical way, that has always been there for me. So even when I was pregnant with Sophia, I lost her father. That was super traumatic for me. I was in I was pregnant with Sophia, I lost her father. That was super traumatic for me. I was in acting class at that time.

And my acting teacher was like, you need to continue this, or just continue going to classes. He's just like, you need to use this as a power. So if anything, I would say that for people who are going through really traumatic experiences. So you were going to Harvard, and then somebody kicked you out. Yeah, in one of my other classes,

neurodivergence was an issue for her. So even though that's against the law in education, educational places. So I have found better colleges. Gotcha. When you just touched base on her father passing, can we talk about that? Because you were so young when that happened.

And that had to have crushed you. It did. And you know what? Speaking of the trauma center, I know I went to the trauma center for a recent situation that was traumatic. But I did not know that I should have gone to a trauma center at 16 when I lost her father.

Because yes, that's the first time I was put on medication, I was suicidal. Again, not knowing my ADA compliant disability and knowing how to deal with loss, it was just scary. And so yeah, when I was at the trauma center, I met other women who were there because they lost their boyfriends in traumatic situations and

like other kind of like people who had just lost a lot of people. So I was like, why did I not come to the trauma center when I was 16 and pregnant and have all these cool tools now that I have in my mind, in my brain, at home? It really probably would have helped me bounce back quicker, maybe from a sexual assault, or bounce back quicker from other traumas that I continually have. So I'm just, again, thankful for that. Circling back to the traumatic experience

of losing her father, do you feel like your mom was not there for you emotionally whenever, because it plays out on the show, you and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship, where it's very on again, off again. And I feel, as a viewer, that your mom almost wasn't emotionally there for you. And do you feel like that has been a huge thing in you

and your mom's relationship, even to this day? Yes. You see on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things. I would say in all because I had to really, like 12 step inventory trauma center, you actually write down, it's called the fifth step. You write down anyone you have relationships with.

So I'm writing down my mom. I'm writing down my mom, I'm writing down my dad, anything. And what came up, just so you know, in those 12 steps and going through relationships and why maybe people saw, maybe I didn't feel like my mom was supportive, it's actually way more than just not having support. It's like, what has I seen? She never saw how much I love someone.

She came up after hearing that he had passed away, that she was happy that he was gone. And I think we might have our own feelings, like I would with Sophia and her boyfriends in those situations, but I do know that I have reasoning and capability of understanding, but I do know that I have reasoning and capability of understanding, like someone has feelings here and I need to put my stuff to the side.

That was crazy, but a lot of what came up at the 12 Step Trauma Center when you're writing down your relationships is abandonment, abandonment, abandonment. And most people will say, well I didn't abandon you, like you were living at my house, I was giving you shelter, I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen,

not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment and not being supported, like we say, just support. But it's really like a lot of those three things that I said I wanted to do for my daughter That I realized I did not have in my home with my dad with my mom Maybe with my whole family at large when I look back at it So there was no surprise and once I got out of the trauma center

Like I stopped talking to my dad. I stopped talking to my mom. I haven't talked to them in almost, I think my mom, she was like at 30, is it, oh, well I'm 32. So everyone's been kind of around two years I've stopped talking to my family. Like I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life and it's good that I got to again write down inventory and see why and what. So there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say,

do I wanna write letters to them? And half the letters I wrote when I was there, no one responded or no one wanted to talk about those things when I got out. So I'm just taught to be like, okay, that's where someone is, they can't meet me me and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing. It's been really relieving, relief.

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Go to chime.com slash disclosures for details. Does your relationship with your mom affect Sophia's too? Sophia? Do you choose to talk? Do we call her grandma? To do you choose to talk to grandma or just be or because mom and her don't have a relationship You choose not to also Honestly, I'm really comfortable not talking to her at all and with my grandpa to It hasn't really bothered me at all not talking to them over the years. Gotcha. I'd have to say like anything that I do does not need to affect someone else. Right. A lot of the grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like

I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like Farah's Like me. I'm the horrible person Because I I'm making someone else not talk to them to be completely Transparent I saw that my daughter was being affected by their bad behavior every time that they were around you know to not feel loved to not be heard again like as a kid, or just be like, just back and forth, stuck between all these, I can't say the word immature, it's just a lack of education of how to have communication. That's really just such a mess that I was raised in that I knew I did not want that for my daughter

and I was trying to be like a good daughter and like I flew my daughter out to Arizona to meet her other grandparents. I've flown her back and forth for 16 years or whatever to like see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and you take time for yourself that is so needed and everything's quiet and you see, wow, I

am such a damn good parent because I'm the only one who's paying, flying, doing. No one else is. It's been over a decade. Like, let's stop this charade. But more importantly, you're there for your daughter. Like, I don't see you without Sophia. Yeah, I am number one, I think.

And you're making her feel every way that your parents never did. And to me, that's a sign of a good parent, is breaking generational trauma and generational curses. And I think you're doing the best that you can. All the way. And so it can be seen transparently of who, what, everything, genetics, what's going on,

why someone might be doing this, why someone might not, and to choose better choices. So Sophia was kind of the one to say, I don't want to hang out, or I need a break from certain grandparents. So the charade of the grandparents continually always acting like I hinder anything. certain grandparents. So the charade of the grandparents continually always acting like I hinder anything.

I've seen with clear eyes what it is now. And you just choose to remove yourself from a toxic situation, which that's not a bad, that doesn't make you a bad person. Especially if you said that you wrote them letters and you were trying to communicate how you were feeling and they completely told you, like, look, I don't want to communicate how you were feeling. And they completely told you, look, I don't want to deal with this right now.

So that's not fair to you, because it's like, when is the time to deal with it? And that's fine if they're never there. So I'm just like, OK, I'm going to go live my life. And this is what I've been waiting for and healing. And I think that's been so good for me to get out of trauma bonds. Let's have bonds of, I don't even know, happiness.

So I'm just excited to build good, healthy, happy bonds and leave all those trauma bonds behind. And if other people would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any capacity. Absolutely. And so yeah, from that, I was like, OK, I'm going to keep 12-stepping and dating and career and life. And it's really been beautiful.

When you say 12-stepping, does that mean sobriety? Some people think it's about sobriety. I actually, I just have to say it like this. 12-stepping is about the 12-step principles. So it's not about drinking. It's like, I think there's humility, brotherly love. There's 12 principles of life that I think are just amazing and help me be my best self and connect and see myself

and others, like serving. So those are the 12-step things I do in life. Gotcha. I've never heard of it. So that's why my hair's. Oh, OK. You know, like most people when they hear 12 steps are like, oh, OK, she's in the program or like doing the 12 steps for like alcoholism or I don't know if they have 12 steps for

drugs. I'm not positive about that. Oh, yeah, they do. There's 12 steps for everything. I honestly say like 12 steps for anxiety. I feel like I've looked at every group. Yeah. Quartz definitely had me do like 50 hours of AA and over that.

But when I came to the trauma center, I was so disgusted, to be honest with you, I was so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol had done because there was just alcohol involved with my sexual assaults or rape. And so everybody else maybe around me was like, I can't wait to drink, I can't wait to do drugs. And I was like, whoa, I could stay here all day long and I don't even care about that stuff, but I am super excited to learn about these principles

and like see if it works. And like, if I turn on church, does it connect? And like everything just really showed me like, see if it works. And if I turn on church, does it connect? And everything just really showed me this is what I have been yearning for my whole life. And so that's why I just say I'm 12 step in dating. I'm 12 step in my career. It's just principles that work.

Do you feel, actually, it doesn't matter how I feel, do you feel that alcohol has played a part in some of your legal issues as well because didn't you get it like a DUI and then also you had like a little thing with us was a security guard outside of a nightclub when you were drunk and like they cuffed you and put you on the ground and stuff like that. Do you feel like alcohol has played a part in some of your legal troubles? So alcohol definitely is a depressant and attracts negatives to you. Yeah.

I'm literally like. That's why they call it a spirit, because it lowers your spirits. Oh, yeah. It lowers your spirit. And I wouldn't recommend anyone who's been assaulted or attacked or hasn't been educated on trauma work should not be drinking. It really makes your life worse.

And so yeah, that I'm dealing with that legal problem even today. Yeah. I want that secure. Really? Still going on? Yeah. Two years later, then she won't stop harassing me. So yeah, so now she's trying to do this.

Farrah, you're lightweight funny as fuck, dude. Like really, if people really paid attention, they would see that you are funny. Like Sophia's hearing me like on court, like lawyer calls before this because of her. She didn't know how to serve me. So she claims that she's going to get lots of money from me right now.

OK, I thought it was a man that you, that they are saying that you slapped him or something or. Oh, no, this is a woman who's a liar. But she is just like that's why I have to postpone even like me doing like a comedy portfolio that I've been working on. Like could you imagine me going to work and then being served in front of everyone. So it's like I have to now reorganize

my life around people who target me and won't stop harassing me because I just won't put up with it anymore. What happened? Like you were out drinking with friends and then? I went to a dinner. So I was definitely more about the food. There was alcohol.

We love food. Yeah. And I was asked with my two other colleagues to go upstairs and see their new little rooftop thing. I didn't have a drink up there. I went to the bathroom. It felt like I was set up. One of their customers was in front of my purse in my bag

in between my friends, now with her group. And I was like, could you please like move? That's my stuff, these are my friends. She wanted to keep going at me, hitting me, hitting my friend who was trying to block me. Oh wow, she hit you. And then her friends are pointing to remove me. I'm being then manhandled by huge security

guys. This woman puts herself in between this mix coming at me and I say, leave me alone. You see me yelling. And this is like a girl, a different girl than I am today at that time who has been sexually assaulted, can't handle too much. She's just been physically- Been through a lifetime of trauma. You've had trauma started when you were younger. She doesn't want to listen, and so I do this with my arm, and you see the full movement on the camera, and she wants to try to touch my hand. And so literally my hand is like touching this woman's like mask, not her face.

So her glasses are on, her mask is on. She keeps wanting to manhandle me with all the men. She then goes into an elevator with me. I'm just like, leave me alone. I walk off property waiting for my other friend who wants to call the police wants to all this stuff and Sure enough then her and the other guy Just finagle up to come after me off property

Then he cuffs his self to me is like touching me all over she's over there yelling that I hit her in her face and whatever I'm yelling back and that I hit her in her face and whatever, I'm yelling back. And so, yeah, basically I'm winning a personal injury case on top of this. The criminal case got thrown out, because I did nothing. The personal injury case, I'm recovering all of my trauma costs and me moving and everything else.

Like, I had death threats because this woman would not shut her mouth with all of her lies. Like, people literally thought I would hit and target security people. And that's just completely not the case. So dealing with all of this is just like. Stressful. I've had a lot of people just continually try to

sue me, sue me, come after me, come after me, come after me. And I just don't want that in this next chapter of whether it's my comedy career, me showing up to places. And I also have to realize I have to do, I don't even like security guards, to be honest. So me getting security is also a trust fall. No, that's how I am.

My husband makes me travel with security everywhere. And I'm like, why? I feel like I have a babysitter. I hate it. It drives me crazy. I don't know. I've had a lot of issues with security guards. This is not the first one.

I think you need to have somebody in your life that's there to protect you, though, because you are, the fan base that you guys have from Teen Mom is wild. I've had Janelle and Kayle on the podcast. That's awesome. It is like those people are really invested in you guys' lives. You guys have a lot of great fans,

but it is like a cult fan base. We love it. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, in that sea of people who love you guys, there's a few people who have it out for you. And these are the people that you're running into. So I think having somebody to protect you from that

isn't a bad idea. Yeah. I will say after. One less lawsuit to worry about. One less lawsuit. They keep coming. I actually embrace them. How many do you have right now?

I just surf on lawsuits at this point. How many lawsuits do you have right now? I'm trying to close up three. So who knows? Who knows? But I think we're just reinventing the wheel of, OK, if we're going to do not a tour, if we're going to just present it and package it, then we can control who's on sets

and how we do those things so I can still keep moving forward in my life. So yeah, I'm just kind of tired of sitting still, but it's been good. Take me on this journey of you doing comedy. I feel like a Farrah Abraham roast is overdue. Yeah, I would attend. I think it would be hilarious.

We'll give you the mic. So yeah. I don't want to be mean, though. I just want to watch. It's good to roast people. It's good to see if I've overcome. I love that you can laugh. I love that you can laugh at yourself, though,

and you don't take yourself so serious. I think that's a great quality to have. It's definitely been a challenge. Yeah. Oh. She's like, I've been working on it. Yeah, I've been working on it so hard I can't wait. But yeah, I just want to do some things with comedy

and maybe just talk about behavior in a funny way. And I think learning behavior and learning myself, I think it's been a good soul journey. And I want to share that in comedy. What spawned this whole entire journey with comedy? Have you just always been a comedy fan? I don't even know. I mean, who doesn't love some Ace Ventura Pet Detective?

But I actually got my SAG credits from a Comedy Central special that they did for me. And after I got wrongfully fired from Teen Mom, I started getting SAG checks in the mail and I started seeing where it was from. And I was like, oh my god, it's from Dave Vettel inviting me for my comedy special. And I was like, well, I really did like that.

And it was so fun. And I like the people. And I think in this next endeavor of my life, I'm kind of more intentional about who I'm working around, how they're making me feel. And I can't. That comes with age, too. You're what, 32 now?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm 44. So it takes, like, as you get older, you get to a point where you're just like, I don't care what the look is or how many people are going to see it. I care about being around people who are going to build me up, make me feel good about myself, people I can learn from.

So I think that's awesome that you're realizing that now. Yeah, so it's just wonderful. And I just hope to have great work environments and enjoy myself. When can we expect this comedy tour? Oh my god. Or the specials. I can say specials.

I don't know about Tiorra. But I would hope by the end of this year. Some other shows are coming out. And we'll see what happens. But yeah, I'm just kind of risk assessing my career and just making sure. But I don't like. You're reinventing yourself.

Yeah. I feel like you do that all the time. You have done. Is there anything you haven't done? You've made albums. I haven't done like my law degree yet. Like yeah, there is court will be like Judge Judy. Oh my God. That would be awesome. I love her. I would love to do a court show, please. Oh, let's put it in the air. Manifest it. That would be awesome because you literally, one

thing I do admire about you, you have fucking hustle. You're not lazy. Yeah, ADHD doesn't sit. Is that what I have? Is that why I can't sit still? I'm literally always onto the next goal. It's fun. No, you literally are always doing something, always selling something.

I mean, you are like, who doesn't like sales? I love sales. I do love sales. I think if you're good at serving people and matching people and doing things, oh my god. Sales is like a dream. Yeah, absolutely. Let's bring it over to Sophia for a little bit here.

What do you want to be when you grow up? Have you ever thought about that? Yeah, I've been getting into music. So I think when I grow up, I want to be a music artist maybe, and a entrepreneur, and a influencer. I love that. Does your mom influence that a lot? Do you really look up to your mom?

Yeah, definitely. She did really support me doing my music when I was younger. I have two music videos from a super long time ago, which is kind of cringe. Before goth. I mean, we all have those. So we look back on and we're like, What the hell was I thinking? Yeah, I wrote those songs myself. That's amazing. So you and Bailey would really get along. She writes her own music

and stuff like that. We'll have to introduce the girlies for sure. Yeah, for sure. What's your favorite thing about your mom? What do you admire the most about her? Um, her beauty and You think i'm beautiful. Thank you. Oh, that is sweet. You are Thank you. She doubts that kind of often but she's beautiful. Look I can that's good that I know where I need to work on Oh I love that. Yeah, I love that. Thank you. Sophia. I appreciate you. What's your favorite thing about Sophia? Oh my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's beauty, like no joke.

I always am like, you have like your dad's nose, the eyebrows, the chin, like I just, I love it. And I'm so happy you have all that going for you. You're gorgeous. And what else? I mean, I pretty much love everything about my daughter. Like I loved you, like parenting you as a kid. I love parenting you as a teen.

I love your silliness. I mean, there's so much I just love at all. There's, I don't know why. It's making me smile. I don't know why. A lot of parents are like, I don't know if I like my teenager today, but like I really, I practice my gratefuls. And I think I just have always loved my daughter totally.

Holy, you love her for who she is. Do you guys feel like you're soulmates? Because you know, soulmates don't have to be lovers. Soulmates can be friends, children, parents. I do always wonder. I don't know if other parents wonder this or whatever but I do feel like I was given my child like Sophia like I was given Sophia. I don't know what it is. Like even when like her dad wasn't there. I had her in the wasn't there, I had her in the birthing room,

and I'm just looking at her. I just, there was this eye connection, and I knew that even though nothing was perfect however I wanted to plan it growing up, that I was meant to be there at this time with her, and I will never forget that from the hospital room. So life can just totally fall apart around you like it has with me. But yeah I don't know if that's soulmate if that's exactly what you meant. But I do know like I was supposed to be with

Sophia and like she is my child. Like I do know that. It's just crazy. You guys are gonna make me cry. I think that is so sweet. Yeah. And Farrah, I wanna give you your flowers because I watched a lot of interviews the other night just trying to get a feel for you and stuff like that. And I feel like a lot of people have you on their shows to attack you and they don't give you a chance to actually like kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that, for how people treat you like that.

But also people don't realize that you were at such a young age having a child on television, losing the father of your child and having to go through this with the world watching you with parents who didn't support and did not give you the proper guidance. And you are literally just figuring this shit out on your own. Yeah.

And that's heavy. And I just want you to say I see you and I see what you're doing. And I think you're doing wonderful. I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate I appreciate you being an amazing host. No, thank you. Yeah, allowing it to do whatever it will be.

No, no, I appreciate that. Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love. You got a new boyfriend. Well, he's been around since what, 2021? No. No?

I read that wrong then. OK, is that a different one? That maybe it was a different one. All right, well, when did this one come about? I have to say, I date differently now. So I did this Guardian of Your Soul, Dating Naked thing. I graduated from that when I turned 32. So last week.

OK, what is that? Is that part of the 12 step? Yeah. So Lisa Shield, who does this, she has her own amazing podcast. But she does this with her husband. You are there for 12 weeks. You have your own coach.

You do your own manifestation journal. She has 12 modules. You're reading books. You're hearing podcasts. You're hearing psychologists. You're in a vortex of training yourself to be a weapon of dating, basically. And so I did it.

I committed. And I was like, you know, going on these dates, felt like this was wasting my time, and I got this weird dating show offer during that, and I declined, because I've done so many dating shows, and I just don't, I was at this point of like, I'm tired of repeating, tired of repeating. Clearly, something is disconnected,

and it was more personal work and really diving in on that and so Lisa did a 12 step program too. So when I shared about my 12 step program she's like yeah so this is why we have 12 weeks, 12 modules and we are focused on getting this alignment before your dating life. So I love it. I graduated and I was just like, look, I don't have anyone who I'll call my fiance or anything like that, but I'll keep doing this.

And I'm kind of like a late bloomer, even though I like zoom through things. And so the leaders are like, we'll keep checking in with us, keep coming to the groups, like whatever. And sure enough, I don't know, I went on almost 100 dates. 100 dates? Almost 100 dates.

Goodness. That's like speed dating. And then one gentleman wasn't even on, I realized he was on one of my dating apps after the fact. I feel like the cream of the crop is never on the dating apps. Or I'm just not paying attention to it. Well, we're not attracting it.

I don't know. Even though we redo our online profiles and all this cool stuff. So he actually got my attention on my OnlyFans page. And then was zooming with me. And then I'm telling him about this dating program. I'm just intentionally dating. If you want to joke around and be like, I want to date Farrah Abraham, whatever.

But I was just so on my game from this program about dating. So he ended up flying in to Austin to come see me. And we have just kind of been just, I don't know, he ended up getting a second house, a second car, a second everything and lives in Austin right now. Like, I don't know, it just is like magical. I love it. So when did he come in the picture?

So we started talking in October, so like from June, July, August, September. Okay, so it was last year. OK, so since last year. Yeah, so five months after this program, I really have super connected with someone. Aw. Crazy. I love that.

And he just loves every bit of you. Oh, yeah. Are you ever going to say who he is or make him public? You know, we both kind of are like NDAs on both sides. So I can share fun bits and stuff, but we don't really share who are me. I am like, I will not be meeting your family. I'm dating you.

And I think I've also learned to date differently from not having my family around and truly being my most best self. So yeah, I just love like he is all about self-improvement with me. We're doing fun things together all the time and I really just want to make sure like that's right. Like that's really important. So if you guys do end up getting more serious will you eventually meet his family? Um I don't really need to. Really? Like I'm really like. Do you think part of you is scared?

Because like, I feel like you're one of those people who kind of like waits for the ball to drop. Like, if something's going too good, you're like, OK, what's going to fuck this up? Well, I'm trying to not have those brain patterns in my brain, but thank you. Right. So I just want the ball to keep rising and elevating.

Hot air balloon. I like let's keep going up. And I do think from learning so much about him, he's learned so much about my family where I've come from. I think sometimes when you're building a interdependent relationship where you're both coming together and rising up together, there is no need for

the background noise. I'm not trying to attend a circus. He doesn't need to come to my circus. We just need to focus on going forth, building our own lives, building our own family, flourishing careers, the whole thing right now. So that's why I'm kind of like, his parents and everyone are very like, why won't you tell me your name? Oh, they're always very nosy.

But I think I don't need anyone googling me, searching me when they know who I am, who I'm dating, telling them. And that's what I mean. Does that scare you that his family could Google you and then just get the wrong opinion of you, and then you feel like you're going to have to be trying to change these people's opinion about you.

Yeah, I just don't operate like that anymore. So when my mom or my dad got married and I was there for their weddings and stuff, and then their fiancees or everyone else was always Googling me and seeing what I was up to, I actually stopped posting for a while. I was like, you know, it's just not worth it. I don't care what I'm up to or what I've been up to. Like if you can't be present with me and family, I don't need it.

So I think that's all, I think that's why this relationship is flourishing so much is that I don't talk about it much with other people from what I've been trained to do. We're very present or flourishing and like we go on trips. We have fun. I just want that for my life. I deserve an amazing relationship. And I saw like even bits of it when I was like saying I was in a relationship. People really wanted to ruin and find and

source and break me down so like I don't have a relationship. But that's actually what I've been working so hard for for two to three years is getting in this place. So, and with no one else's help, just me. And so I really need this. Have you met him yet, Sophia? Yes, I have. Do you approve?

He's okay. Yeah, I mean, it's not like a year in or right totally serious But Sophia and I met both of our boyfriends that we have now at the winter trip Sophia. You have a boyfriend Yeah, we're gonna talk about this after Yeah So yeah, we met together our boyfriends, on our winter break trip this winter. What do you think about Sophia's boyfriend? I can't really judge when the kids are 15, 16.

I mean, wow, they have so, so much to do and grow, because I was once there. Yeah. Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty much the age that you got pregnant at? Yeah, I was saying that the other night. So her boyfriend actually flew into Austin, Texas because he lives in Utah for her birthday.

And she's also homeschooled, which is great. So we had a great birthday weekend together. And I was sitting at dinner with them after she blew out her candles and everything. And I was like, at 15, I was on party buses with 20-some year olds. Isn't it wild how they're the opposite of us? I was this wild child. And I was like, I am just so happy that Sophia's in an amazing restaurant, has all this stuff,

has someone who actually cares. They're just building a great friendship and just quality time, quality people that I kind of really, to be honest, did not have. And it was just chaos. And I was like, I am so fortunate to see this for my child. It's just crazy to me. I love it.

I love it. And I love watching Sophia smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever. It's just, I'm so happy for my daughter. She totally deserves this amazing journey that she's been blessed with. So God is good.

Yeah. Where'd you meet your boyfriend at Sophia? I met him on VR. On what? Crazy. Virtual reality? Yeah. Is that like a video game or? It's like those headsets, you know?

Gotcha. With like the virtual games and stuff. Oh, gotcha, okay. Specifically VR chat. Gotcha. Okay. Those kids are in VR chat, watch out. Yeah, that's like AOL chat when we were growing up literally

So yeah, both of us met our boyfriends online essentially. Yeah. Well, I would think that Being who you are. It's got to be hard to meet people a normal way It's not like you're just gonna go to church and meet somebody, you know And I would think growing up with who your mom is is probably makes it hard for you to meet people in a normal way also. And you don't go to school, so it's like, you know, you have to meet people

where you are at, you know, in life. So how has your mom's stardom affected you? I mean, it's kind of been hard to make friends like in real life and stuff. But I would say once they accept like who I am online, then we become like best friends, you know? But some people, once they find out who I really am, they like don't wanna like be friends with me.

Oh, because of your mom? Like, I mean, I don't really get hurt by that because in the end then you're just fake Yeah, so I just block them. Yeah, you know, no, I love that Bailey had to go through that too whenever you know Whenever we were first coming up in the limelight There was a lot of parents who didn't want Bailey hanging out with her because of who her parents were and I was just like You don't need friends like that. If they have parents that are going to judge them so harshly that they won't let their kid hang out with you because of who

their parents are, when they haven't even met us or shook our hands, then you don't want those people in your life anyways. Yeah. So it is kind of fun. I mean, I've been seeing Sophia kind of like catfish people. In a way. OK.

What do you mean? It's not catfishing. I have, it's called secret accounts. Yes. Oh, they're called Finstas, right? Or isn't that what they are? I mean, it's basically like all accounts. OK, gotcha.

I don't use my public profiles or my real name on stuff. My friends know my first name. But I usually don't tell them my last name until they find out who I really am. Like for instance- But that's actually kind of smart. That is smart. We have this show called Catfish, right? But I have to say, Sophia's doing it in a catfish positive way, not a toxic way. Right. Because, like, for instance, like we flew into Utah

so that her and her boyfriend can meet. They do know each other's names. It's kind of up in the air on the first date, which was at a trampoline park. Right. And everyone brought their families. And so I loved how refreshing it was, actually. I was refreshed by his mom, his family,

not knowing who I was, just taking me in like a glass of water, just having a good time. Just loving you for who you were in that moment. And also the same for Sophia. And then her daughter arrives, and she knew exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like, hmm. It just kind of sucks the fun out of just

being present in real life. But yeah, I really loved how we've gotten to know each other, even though you could definitely see they are definitely affected by someone's fame, what they might not have, how we live. And that's sad. And so I just say whatever Sophia needs to do to see positive and have positive interactions and relationships, That's awesome.

I support it. Even if it's a little catfishy, I'm OK with it. All right. Because I see the joy. I kind of understand the method to the madness, though. She wants to make sure that the people that are in her life are there for a reason, not because of who you are, because of who she is.

So I think it's actually kind of genius. It is genius. I like it. When's your birthday? February 23rd. Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius Pisces. You're like right on February 23rd. Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius Pisces.

You're like right on the cusp. Really? I don't know. She likes to swim. Oh, yeah. She's a little fishy. Yeah. A Gothic swimmer.

A little black fish swimming in the pond. Yes. Can we talk about your beef with Nicki Minaj? What happened with that whole situation? She's not a Barbie. Because I feel like she kind of called you out and brought that on herself. And I feel like a lot of people bring things upon themselves in my career. But yes, yeah, I feel like she's doing that now to make the stallion also. And I think people didn't take her. people didn't consider it bullying

whenever she did it to you because it was a few years ago. But now that they're seeing a pattern in how she treats people, I think it kind of, you know, is putting a spotlight on how she acts as a person. I have to say like, Nicki Minaj, I believe she said like I was a cunt because of how I treated my mom. She was watching like a teen mom rerun one day

when she was doing that. I have to say, anyone who talks to me or towards anyone, bullying them out loud, doing whatever they're doing, not paying attention to their own mental health and why she's doing that, the reason why someone reaches out in a toxic way, calls someone another name, tries to degrade them, acts like they know how to be a better daughter to their mom or whatever, that is a denial.

They're delusional. So I have never thought greatly of anyone similar to Nicki Minaj, like a Chrissy Teigen who also does that to me or other people who do that or women who do that. It also very much reminds me a little bit of the toxicity between my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me growing up.

So it's a trigger for you. I just recognize it as complete mental illness almost, to be honest. So I don't think my daughter has anything to worry about of like listening, paying attention to anything from women who have like a platform and they're just like lashing out in mental illness because that's not having self-control, that's not therapeutically dealing with it. She also isn't a mom. I don't really think Nicki Minaj is a great mom.

I don't think she really has done the personal work. She's, I think, a convict who, I guess, has done very weird things. So I can't really care about anyone that comes from. That's like caring about a hater online who says the same things. Whether it was Nicki Minaj or a deep fake account online saying it, it's going to the same place of like,

ooh, that's unhealthy for my mental health. That's like mental illness coming at me. I don't have time for that toxicity. So, and I'm sorry that Megan Thee Stallion had to go through all sorts of stuff and criminal behavior, but she doesn't deserve that in her present success or her future success. And I really hope that she finds other great artists

to work with and have friendships with. Absolutely. How do you deal with all of the online stuff that comes to you? Are you used to it now? Or I don't think anybody ever gets used to people just bullying, but does it hurt still? Or did it ever hurt you, like in the beginning? And how do you deal with it now?

I definitely had a shame spiral many a times with online toxicity. And I think that's why I am totally cool with Sophia not being on it, not posting as much, not doing whatever, because it's really not needed. It's not a safe space for her. Yeah, it's not a safe space. And I think we just tried to, again,

pardon me, create that safe space for us, our own selves. So if that's like posting once a year, that's what's good for us. Like, and I don't even know, like this whole thing with like limiting teenagers on social media, I think in a way it feels like we're letting like criminals and deep fakes and all these things control and take over and oversaturate the internet when the internet would be so much more better with like credible, real people who enjoy the internet.

So I just wish I had better people to play with on the internet. Yeah. But the internet has hurt you before, to where it sent you into shame, what did you say? Shame spirals. Yeah, a shame spiral. Like, depression or maybe anxiety at times.

It's got to be heavy, especially when they run news articles about you and stuff like that. Yeah. Do you feel like the press bullies you? I feel like we need to work on just reporting in a non-bullish, fraudulent way. When I've been dealing with, when I was attacked at dinner by security, and then everyone acts like I did something to them,

and I have reporters calling me everywhere, and they're making me out to be a bad person. My lawyers were literally like, you cannot talk to them anymore. If they wanna behave this way, if they can't tell the right news, I'm not responding to them. Do not respond to them. And that's just kind of sad because again, like just kind of being raised

with news reporters and even some of them being my friends. It's just been really sad to see like people use their jobs and inflict toxicity and affect someone's mental health or it could. I'm not letting that health, or it could. I'm not letting that happen, but it definitely does to other people. Yeah, absolutely.

I couldn't agree more. I think online is kind of like the devil's playground. People can say and do whatever the hell they want, and there's no recourse. Well, I feel like the good people get the recourse. They actually get like, I can't even get on TikTok Live because someone said it was sexually explicit sitting

in my office doing nothing. Did you appeal it? Oh, I've appealed it. My agencies have reached out. They say that they don't have footage. They can't see it, so they can't redo it. I just feel like, or undo it, I feel like internet platforms are just crumbling, period. Like, they're crumbling, they're not doing that well, they're relying so heavily

on marketing, they don't care to keep health, number one, even though we're giving all of these things like healthy mindset and track your time and do all of this. But we just keep allowing again, like deepfakes, toxicity, everything nonstop. So like if I go and look on my dashboard right now, you'll see like my account on the back end is flagged all the time for bullying. But are we deleting or blocking those bullies?

So I just, just let the internet. There's no solution to the problem. Yeah, I just let the internet crumble, and I like to use it to post, to share things, whether that's about mental health or something fun or birthdays or whatever. But I don't know. Maybe just one day, who knows if I need any of it.

I really don't know if I need social media. Yeah. I don't think you do. I think you've made a name for yourself that if you didn't have social media, people would still be obsessed with you because that's just how they are. I have read mixed reviews. Did you sell poop or did you not sell poop? Oh my God, that's so funny.

I saw my poop slime in my office. I made poop slime and we sold out of that. But yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop. I love talking about buttholes. I have never sold my poop. I do get offers literally every day, every day for it. And it's crazy.

My boyfriend's like, you, he's like, I find, like I just, it's like, I find it so disgusting, but he's like, you have all these guys just wanting to pay you like $5,000 for you to send them shit. And he's like, I can't even pick up your own dog shit. Like he's like, I don't know how this is. So we always laugh. They waft in it. It's crazy. I used to sell my panties when I had OF.

Yeah. They like them vacuum sealed and sitting for like two weeks. Like, it's wild. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. But I haven't done that. But I don't know. I heard it was like against the law.

So I just don't do that. Yeah. What's the weirdest request you have gotten on your OnlyFans? I mean, what's weird anymore? Right. I don't know. There's so many weird things. What's the oddest or wildest?

There's so many weird things I hear every day. I just don't know what's odd right now. I don't know. I have to think so much. No worries. But I don't know. I just find it weird when people really want to have customs. And they always try to get in my personal life.

So it's like, your boyfriend, or could you ask for a friend to do that? I just am like, why would you even get on here and insinuate I would ask anyone else to be a part of your crazy imagination? Fantasy. So I always have a laugh. How is your OF doing? My OF is doing fabulous, and I love my OF.

I often ask myself when I think to just shutting it down, because I felt like I was getting so sexually shamed. And I just don't like dealing with any sexual shaming stuff. And so I was like, maybe I'll shut it down. Maybe I won't. And then I keep it up. And I often, sometimes I'll just post some funny comments that I get.

But there's a lot of negativity online. But I will say, OF is a lot of positivity compared to all the negativity. Oh, I loved my OF. It was great. If you're a hater on somebody's OF, you've got fucking problems. You're paying them monthly to talk shit to them.

Yeah, it's crazy. And that happens all the time. But there's a lot of men who, or women even, who always send me the best messages. And I'm like, God, I needed that for my self-worth today, or my self-compassion or like just loving myself today So I have to say if that's so positive out of all the other social medias I've kept my only fans and I think maybe I even rave about it sometimes and like I can't delete this it makes me so happy And you shouldn't have to delete it if it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value Why would you delete it because people it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value, why would you delete it?

Because people online don't agree with the lifestyle. I've never understood that stigma with OF. It's wild to me that we're not touching anybody. Nobody is touching us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting adults. And people have a problem with that. Would they rather you be in hotel rooms, being an escort?

It's wild to me. So yeah, I think OnlyFans has just, again, been positive for my mental health, positive for me. I literally screen grab and save some of these messages. Because I was like, if I ever just bye bye from it, I would love to save these memories because they're such good memories. I mean, I don't know.

My boyfriend doesn't have a problem with it. And honestly, I think he actually likes it. So he makes his own little funny username. And he's like, oh, chat with me on there. It's just kind of like a fun play thing. Role play. Honestly, if that's good for my relationship, if it's good for my business, if it's good for me,

I don't know, my god, could life get any greater? If Sophia ever wanted to make an OnlyFans, would you allow her, when she's of age? Well, I definitely, out of the question, now. Right, of course. Reporters actually have asked me that already. Yeah. I was like literally thrown.

No, not now. She's underage. That's weird. I was like, guys, that's like not allowed. Yeah. But I mean, she is almost 18. So I think that's probably why. I have so many years to go before that.

I said, I'm counting them down. I'm like, kid, you got two years. Two years to get the hell out. No, I'm counting them down. I'm like, kid, you got two years, two years to get the hell out. No, I'm just kidding. No, I don't think Sophia wants to do that. Like Sophia basically barely uses social media. Yeah. Sophia, do you have any use or need for anything that's an adult only platform?

No, she said no. You know and I think I do have that need because I had managers and agents basically like being like I'll run it I'll start it I'll do it like you have to do this and I didn't even do it myself open it so I think because it was like a different journey in that. And again, like I am a sex symbol. Like I am something in that arena. And I think you can't disown that or act like it's not. And so.

Well, you had a sex tape that came out, correct? Yeah. And a lot of it, you know, then I had an novelty line from that odd traumatic successful experience of a tape situation I was like you know what for like sexual health and well-being I want to come out with a men's and women's line of novelty toys and I also won an avian award for that. So I've like those are things that happened in my life journey. And I'm happy they were successful.

And I think to do that justice, to have some of those adult platform pages, that's a no-brainer in that journey. So I'm fine with it, and it makes me happy. How much did you end up making off of that sex tape? I don't know. I still make money off of it. She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby. No, it hasn't stopped.

And I also made millions from my novelty toys, those licenses. I actually just enjoy business. A lot of people, and I love my friends, who are all into adult entertainment, that was not my allure. That's not my thing. But I do like business in certain senses of my comfort level.

So yeah. You like multiple streams of income. Yeah, who doesn't? Right, right. For each sister. So yeah, I have my own way of how I live my sex life and my choices and me as a woman. And I'm just really happy, like happier than I've ever been.

So I think whatever happened in my life along the way, I was meant to be, even though it was like not the greatest thing. But yeah, it can certainly get you predators. It can certainly lead to like sexual assaults and those things. So I just want other women or even my own child, my own daughter to know like there's nothing to glorify about anything of what I went through or what I've done. I literally look at my sex tape

and I see someone who is battling face dysmorphia, who feels so unloved, who is going through just like bereavement of the loss of her dad. And so when I see a sex tape, I see something so of nothing I want ever in my life again. But I have people every day who bring up my sex tape or the toys that I made, and it brings them joy. And so I have to really take myself away from that.

But I do love that it's helped me become aware that I needed to do personal and mental help and health on myself, for sure. I love that. Yeah. What does 2024 hold for Farrah? to do personal and mental help and health on myself, for sure. I love that. Yeah. What does 2024 hold for Farrah and Sophia? What do you guys want to accomplish? Lots of laughs.

Yeah. Laughing a bunch this year, traveling, having fun. Sophia's working on whatever she wants to write, create, and make. Are you guys going to do a song together? Well, we have. Ah. I love it. No, thank you. Yeah, Sophia's going to do a song together? Well, we have. No. I love it.

No, thank you. Yeah, Sophia said no. She does not know how to sing. I don't know how to sing. And that's OK. For some reason, I have a cult following of people who loved my music when I was depressed. So again, some people love your stuff when you're depressed

and going through a mental breakdown. Well, I think it's relatable. I feel like people feel like they're like, fuck, I'm going through it too. This is relatable. That's why people relate to my husband, because of the music he makes. Yeah, it's crazy.

However, you will enjoy someone's music or whatever. So yeah, Sophia's going to go on her own journey of Gothic music and see how people relate to that and have fun and write. So yeah, I mean, every every year is about creating something new and finding more of ourselves. So I think that's what we kind of are doing. Besides shows and besides stuff that I'm already doing. I'm just like back to school again. Yeah. So are we going to get that law? He's over here song logs. I'm over here again. Yeah. So are we going to get that law? He's over here sawing logs. I'm over here shaking his head.

So are you going to move forward to getting your law degree? Yeah, I'm moving forward with I'm in a master's program right now. And you can start doing like your JD and even your PhD. So I'm just going all the way. I'm getting my PhD, but I'm going through the master's, almost done with that at the end of this year, and then doing law the next year and everything like that.

So I feel like as much as I've spent in legal fees and everything, I should already have the law degree. You should be your own lawyer, Farrah, at this point. I keep learning new things every day, though. So yeah, there's a lot going on in 2024. I can't wait till it's actually done, but I'm excited for it. I love that. And I love watching you guys grow and flourish together.

And I think it's amazing. And I just want you guys to stay on this journey. I love that you're the happiest you've ever been. That makes me happy for you. Yes. Because happiness is hard to come by, man. You have to choose happiness. Yeah, go mom and daughter teams.

Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having us. Yeah, go mom and daughter teams. Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having us. Yeah, awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dun Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.