Dumb Blonde - TBT: Fefe Dobson - The Woman I've Become

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Throwback ThursdayBunnie’s first-ever guest, the iconic Fefe Dobson, returns for a long-overdue reunion this week. Fefe talks about taking a break from music to save her sanity, touring with Avril, and how video games became her unexpected therapy. She opens up about keeping her private life with longtime partner Yelawolf lowkey, navigating fame, and the story behind naming an album after her mom’s stripper name. Fefe also shares why leather pants will always be her thing, and what she’s manifesting next - including new music and a movie.Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTubeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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sitting on my couch in the new studio in season nine my dear friend miss fifie dobson oh hey girl dude i'm so happy you're here me too it's very very exciting to be here and to see the studio it's crazy right yeah i can't believe you and i have known each other almost a decade now it's wild it's crazy it's wild yeah you've had a lot of fun times a lot of parties you know yeah it's been it's It's been an interesting ride. But through it all, I think one of the one things that I love so much about you is just how sweet you are. Thanks, girl. I appreciate that.

I really wish people knew your heart and just like what a sweet woman you are. Thank you. Even when I was mad at you. You're always so sweet. And I've never really mad at you. But it was just like, you know, even when we've had disagreements, you're just always so sweet. And I just love that about you. I love you.

I truly do. So, you know, I just, I love being here and your heart is so. amazing as well and you're a strong woman so i love you we're going to go to dinner and catch up too but i want to know what's going on with you like catch me up we're good so i'm going to do this interview a little bit different and i know that people who listen to me regularly are going to pick up on that um since phoev was on my podcast nine years ago almost yeah um if you guys want to go back to that episode and find out about her background her upbringing and everything we talked about in that podcast that would be season one episode one i believe right me me and um wow but this

will be like kind of us just catching up and just more of like an interview style. So tell me what's been going on with you. Well, I took some time off and was just writing for other people and then, you know, going through life and love and all the craziness. And then I decided to get back in the studio and I released a record not last September but this September before that called emotion sickness. and yeah I just just kind of took me time took me time I needed a break you know I've been working since I was 17 I'm about to be 40 at the end of the month and you still look so young I'm so jealous

I'm looking at you I'm like she hasn't aged one fucking bit dude thanks girl um so yeah I just needed some time to I don't know get things together I mean in this industry mental health is a really big thing. And taking a break is needed. Taking a break is so needed. I'm trying to teach my husband that because he's go, go, go, go, go. You know how Jay is. He's always been like that.

And even more so now and I'm just like you have to take time to like just for you. You do. Or else it's just it can cause wreak havoc. Yeah, you do. I needed time with even my pets, you know, because I was always on the road and I just, I had lost two pets and last like, I had a bunch. I have like a like a coven of of little fur girls. Like you're just the best.

And I love that you said coven. Yeah. I use that word all the time. That's what I call us. Oh really? Yeah. Exactly. So yeah,

last two of them and I was just like, man, I need to take time to spend time with them. Oh my God. I couldn't imagine. This one is with me. He's been with me the past seven years and I couldn't imagine losing a fur maybe like no.

It's the worst. We don't deserve animals. Like their souls are so pure. and so sweet. They're unconditional love. Like they are the epitome. Yeah. They don't care if you're sleeping

in a fucking box. They are riding with you. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. I mean, how much they love you. So losing them, I was like, man,

it messed me up. It messed me up. It was hard for Michael, too, because, you know, our last one that just passed a few weeks ago, her name was a trailer party. No.

Oh, I remember her. Yeah, trailer party. She was the best. And I had never heard Michael cry so hard. It was like really toward him. Oh my God. I couldn't imagine. And we just started a farm too.

So now I have even more animals that I'm attached to. We have mini donkeys. Mini donkeys. That's amazing. It's our whole, our farm is all minis. Yeah. So we have mini cows, mini donkeys, mini pigs. Little minis.

This literally happened all in one month, Fee. I don't. Oh my goodness. I don't know how I turned into a farmer. So I couldn't imagine just, you know, going through the pain of losing any of them because it's just so brutal. It's brutal. Since you took your break, what's been bringing you like joy?

This is weird. But like video games. I know that's crazy, but I've been like, I like Xbox. I do. Because you can disassociate. Is your mind always, do you have like ADD and stuff like that? Well, I just go, like my mind goes like a mile a minute at night when I should be sleeping. And I just can't shut it off.

So yeah, you're right. Like when I'm playing, all I have to think about is press X. Press A. And I don't have to think about like an email or work, which is helpful. So what's your favorite video game? I got to ask. Because you know all the gamers at home are like, I'm going to go find Feepee. I know.

I love Evil Dead. Okay. So you like like the zombie games. Yeah. I like horror games. And which one did I just get the other day? Man, I can't think about it right now. I know Jay was playing like what, Call of Duty.

I don't even know. I heard that's hard. They're crazy. Yeah. Like they have like teams. They have like, I didn't know you were a gamer. Oh, I love to game. I'm with you every day.

How did I not know that? He has five. And Call of Duty only. I don't like any other games but that. That was hard. It is. It's stimulation. I agree with you.

It's the only time you can shut your brain off. Yeah. They literally have teams. And by the way, if you see me looking down at my phone, it's all these notes I have for you. So I'm not like over here texting or anything like that. They have like teams. So my husband would like go down and play for hours and I would go sit next to him.

And literally there's like six of them and they're like, I got your back. And I'm just like, how do you guys? I would be so fucking oversimulated. There's no way. That one's intense though. Yeah. It's like people get pissed. Oh like I've never cussed.

I've never cussed so many kids in my life. Yeah. Yeah. It's the worst. Oh, I couldn't imagine. Growing adults want to throw those controllers. Yes. That's funny.

I couldn't imagine that. So you've been in the game for a minute. Do you feel like the same Fifi from Take Me Away or has life completely rewritten the script for you? I feel very different from that girl, you know? At times it's like I'll have moments where I listen to the old album and I'll get emotional and I'm like, oh my gosh, like I'm still that person. But it's a crazy light.

Like as you know, like when you're in this world, like things happen so quickly that you almost forget what happens. It's like memories kind of get jumbled and because it's a lot, you know? You're overstimulated even in the industry. It's like a lot of stuff. So I don't know if I still completely relate to her, but I think I have a different love for her, you know? Like when you're younger self, you're like, man, I was too hard on you or kind of vibe, you know?

You were pretty. Stop being so hard on yourself. you know that vibe no I get it 100% I think I find myself a lot of the times romanticizing who I was and it's like even though I went through so much shit I was not a great human right I look back and I'm just like sometimes I get sad because I'm just like god if I had just realized in that moment how cool everything was and like how different shit was about to be yeah you know it's like you almost go back and you just kind of like romanticize it no matter how bad it was you're just like you know you long for the little girl that didn't get to

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In 2026, stop waiting and start selling with Shopify Your music has always been unapologetically you Was there ever a time You felt pressured to be someone else In the industry? Oh, all the time.

I mean, I still do at times, you know, where you're like, should I be doing this kind of TikTok or should I be doing you know what I mean? Like you still feel that pressure in just a different way. Yeah.

But I never felt comfortable, you know, if I didn't have like my leather jacket or... Would you still have it on? You still have some sort of leather on. Or like eyeliner or like just something that was kind of like my signature. Yeah. Yeah, I always felt like I wasn't being myself if I tried something different. Where does your style stem from?

Like if you could like have maybe like three role models. Yeah. Probably like I have a few like Joan Jett. slash. Yes. I see it all. As you're saying it. I'm like,

yep, yep. And when I get like, when I do glam, like I always look at like old Kate Moss. Mm-hmm. She was fire. Even Kate Moss now. I know.

She's amazing. How do you not age on cocaine? I don't understand that. Right? I don't understand. I love Kaymoss. She is a fucking icon, I agree.

She like, even when she's hammered, I'm like, how do I get that look? Yeah. Literally she, just saw a video over on TikTok outside of some place falling over and she did it

so gracefully in a mini skirt and heels didn't show anything if that was me I'd look like a freaking wombat just I don't have 10 people trying to pick me up like I had a broken hip it would have been fucked up but she I mean she's literally almost 50 and still just slaying

no it's crazy it's crazy like I love the smudge liner and oh you've always done the smudge liner too I have fun with it I it's like I've been four The one thing that's been fortunate is like one of my friends always says he's like, he's like, girl, you can look disheveled. That's your brand. I'm like, yeah, exactly. I love that, though, disheveled. I love that. That's fucking hot though. Yeah. Phoebe's bringing back the disheveled look. All right, so we're going to take it back

to the early days for a little bit. Okay. The 2000s were such an iconic time in music. When you look back at that era, what's a memory that instantly makes you smile? I loved hanging out with like the bands, you know. like when girls could rock out with the dudes and I loved you know seeing approll and and simple plan and I don't know there was something about that time that was just like pure yeah yeah yeah and it was rock and roll yeah bring it the fuck back I am tired of this mumble rap I'm like can we bring it back bring the band back right I'm so ready for it it just felt so I don't know raw and you know even for the girls at that time it was like for the females, we were just like, fuck it.

You know, we didn't, we didn't care. We were in, like, Dickies and converse and no makeup. It's still beautiful, though, and holding your own next to these other, these men, you know? Yeah, it was, it was, I wanted to be on tour with the dudes because I wanted to, like, make them freaked out that I could rock or, you know, rock circles around and that was a big deal for me. I always love to, like, put me with the dudes, man. That meant a lot. did you thrive on shock value as a youngster?

Yeah. I think I did too. Yeah. Yeah. Like I love to look at people like in the eye and make them uncomfortable. That was like when I was a kid. Yeah. And just like to see when they would turn their heads because they were uncomfortable with my stare.

Yeah. That was fine. What's the one thing fans might not know about the making of Sunday love or joy? Well, Sunday love was like my second album. off the first one. And I was really wanted to make, wanted to make an authentic rock record. So we got like a bunch of amazing rockers,

like Nina Gordon from Bruca Sault and John Five. And just like awesome, rad artists. And it was weird making the album because I named it at Sunday Love because it was my mom's, like, my mom's stripper name. I was her name. Like, that's what she would go by.

And she told me about years when I was younger, and it stuck with me. And I was like, well, I want to name this for her. So I did. And she was just amazing that way. Like, I don't know. I love that. So mom was a stripper. Yeah.

And many other things. And we love that. Shout out mom. Yeah. That's so fitting for this podcast. Yeah. She's a single mom and just like made it work. And I don't know.

I just. loved even like if she just danced at home like just like being like you know just put on something it was just grooving around like I always looked up to her dancing I thought it was really rad I didn't know I don't think you told us about mom being a dancer in the first podcast so that was a little bit of information that you just revealed if 2003 Fifi could see you now what would she say would it be shock or just a nod like yeah this is exactly where we're headed if she said to me if my young thief said to me yeah you could see you know if 2003 53, Fifi, can see you now. Oh, would she be shocked? Would she be? I don't, I think she would be like, I don't know, actually. I feel like 2003 Fifi was wild. Yeah. She'd be like, wow, you wear dresses. Because I never wore a dress so I was like 24. Why was that? My mom used to put me in these like really foo-foo dresses and they were itchy. You remember that tool, like that itchy tool? What is it? I don't know what it was. Print. What is it called?

I don't know, but I know I can see it. Yeah, in the 80s and it was so itchy and I hated them. And then I, I don't know, I got in the industry and I was just like Dickie's girl and I didn't want to like, I don't know, it was like kind of anti like dresses. And then Wednesday I just decided I wanted to put on a dress. And my first dress that I put on, it was for this MTV gig and it was the Versacee dress with all the people. pins. It had the pins. It was like open on, it was like a certain talk.

Can we bring that up? Can we bring that up for her to see? What, what, uh, award show was it? Let's bring it up. It was an MTV, um, benefit. I think it was like a, yeah. They'll bring it up while you're talking. Yeah. And my hair was like super short and I wore a dress and that was the first time I wore a dress.

And I was like, I like feeling like this pretty girl. Yeah. Did it, it kind of gave you like, because you're, like me. We're like cute tomboy. Like, you know, so whenever I do, like, there's no in between. I either look homeless or I'm glam. There's never a fucking in between. Right. You know, and so whenever I get dolled up too, I'm like, oh, okay, I feel girly and pretty. Does that make you, like, when you put a dress on, do you feel like you're in touch with your feminine energy a little bit more? Yeah, I like,

on stage, I'm a little more aggressive in my leather pants and all that stuff. And then, you know, if I'm going out for a nice dinner, I like, dressing up. When you want to turn it. When you want to It was like a royal blue. Okay. Did you find it means? I'm looking for it right now. Wasn't that one. No.

Let me see. She said it wasn't that one. Ew. You look so cute though. Look at little baby feats over there. I love this outfit. Are you kidding me? Oh my goodness.

Listen, I still. I still wear fucking leopard print. Don't play with me. Skirt on top of pants, though. That's like the fire. That is so 2000. Yeah. Oh, I love leopard.

Leopard's life. It was like, um, it, uh, had super short hair. Maybe if you write short hair. I don't know. That's all right. Oh, me and Michael. But look at all the, like, you're still true to your style, though. Like, it's definitely edgier now, you know?

No, but that's a fun one to put up. I got so much trouble. Look how cute you look. I got so much trouble for putting my middle fingers up. Really? Yeah, back then. But not for wearing a see-through outfit? Like, don't put the middle fingers up, but just show your entire body.

You look adorable, though. Oh, me is everything. No. I love that you guys can just bring this up on the screen. That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love this. No, we want to see.

You were a rock star in an industry that didn't always make space for black women in that genre. Did you feel that pushback? and if so how did you navigate? Starting so young, I really, I was kind of, I had blinders on. You know, I was more thinking about, is this boy going to call me back? I was going through puberty and all,

it's true, but I was going through all these things, you know, these changes. And I didn't even have my first kiss when I was, like, 17. Like, I know. So I was like, who was your first kiss? Someone that was probably not supposed to be. Was it another famous person? Uh, no.

kind we don't got to say names I remember a lot I kind of remember that I don't know but yeah I had a good team around me that like basically was

protecting me from a lot of things which is awesome because a lot of kids back then didn't have that protection yeah I feel like a lot of kids were like exploited and had to like we're forced to I was fortunate I had like a awesome team that would deal with all the like are you sure as I got older I realized what was happening and right it was like people would ask my manager like are you really sure that this black girl can

you know is going to succeed at rock and roll and it's kind of like it just now as an adult I'm like that makes no sense yeah like history like it doesn't make any sense but how special were you to be kind of like one of a kind I mean there wasn't very many other girls in the genre like you right Yeah, I was a ballsy move. Yeah. You know. No, but how cool is that? Like, you're just always, you've made history pretty much.

And I think that's really fucking cool. Yeah. So let's talk about the soundtrack to life. Oh, yes. Your music has always had this raw rebellious energy. What's been inspiring you lately when you write? I love, love. The good, the bad, you know, it's, it fuels me.

And, um. That's because you're a Pisces. I am. I'm a Pisces Venus. I love love. I might be rough around the edges, but I will go the deeper through hell we go, the more I'm going to love you.

Yes. I'm like, why? Even growing up, like, I loved tragic love films, like Romeo and Juliet and Sinanasi and all the thing. And so I'm like, I'm like, what's wrong with you? Have you ever done a past life regression? No, but I would love to. I would love to know.

Me too. I haven't done one. I'm scared. I'm like, I don't want to know. But I do want to know. Like it's a weird morbid curiosity that I have, but I would love to know yours. I mean, it's interesting because I feel like maybe if we did know, we'd be able to like kind of carve out things for this lifetime that we're supposed to learn, maybe a little faster. Yes.

I feel like you and Yella definitely did several lifetimes together. Yeah, we think so too. Yeah. It's interesting. There's some people you can look in their eyes and not really see much of anything. But like I can look in his eyes and it's pretty intense and some with friends too. And you can see like, oh yeah, connecting with you on like a completely different level. Yeah.

Can we talk about you in yellow for a little bit? Yeah. Okay. You guys have been together for how long now? Off and on. 15 years. Yeah. No, it's been crazy.

Can you tell us a little bit about that ride, that journey? Hi. Well, I met him when I was 25. he was 30 and I think he just got signed Interscope and uh or shady and um and no one ever tells you when we met at the fantasy factory Rob Dirk's spot and that's some lore right there yeah yeah yeah and no one ever tells you like being with another artist is uh it's a lot it's a lot um because they're dealing with their own things and, you know, he's a man in the industry, a good-looking man.

And I'm, you know, a woman that at this point at 25, I'm like, I'm ready for something serious, which was probably because I had started so young that I lived, you know, I'd lived this life in the industry. And he was just starting. So he was getting his wiggles out when we started dating. So we went through a lot of. I mean, 15 years in this industry is some, we got to tip our hat to that because not a lot of people can do that. Jay and I are just barely creeping up on a decade. And you know, we've been through shit too.

But it's like, you just hit the nail on the head because I just talked about this in a recent podcast where I said, if you are with an artist, you have to be a really strong human. Like for one, there's, you know, just forget about all the traveling and the separation and all that stuff. it's the emotional side of it. There's a reason that you're an artist. So to have two artists in the same relationship has got to be so tricky to navigate because there's got to be just a sea of emotions. Yeah, and working through like making sure

that we're not competing with each other. That's a big one. Yeah. It's like being supportive. And, you know, I've, you know, I was side stage for many years to see a show. and support that way. And you kind of have to put your

own artist ego at the door, which is a big big important thing to do. Have you ever felt like you guys were in competition at any time? Well, when we play NBA 2K20 before, at this point, 25, yes. Someone sleeping on the couch

but we're very different, which was we've probably had moments where it was like someone has a, you know, I think the only time it kind of feels that way is if we're not close, you know. And but when we're close and we're in tune, we don't feel that way. But it's difficult. It's difficult, you know.

The man loves you. I see him through all of it. And every time I see him and you're not by his side, he's not himself. that means a lot I mean it's it's wild because I've been very private online and he's a little bit more open about when he

is going through whatever and or if we're not together and I've had to see a lot of things that you know fans might be like how can you get back with him or how can you do this and and the truth is

unless you're in it you just don't know that and the heart wants what the heart wants what the hot wants. Yeah. You guys have something special. That's why I said I think you guys have done numerous lifetimes together because you guys just have this, this moth to a flame type draw to each other.

And that's undeniable, you know? And no matter what you guys go through, it's just you guys are always going to circle back to each other. Yeah. Seems like. Do you think you guys will ever get married? Like again, are you guys like, did you guys ever fully divorce? No.

Oh, okay. Okay, all right, I didn't know. No, I couldn't do it. Oh. I mean, we'd always threaten to do it and be like, oh, yeah. Oh, seven papers right now. And no one would do it, you know? Yeah.

So. That's just even more proof that you guys just literally are each other's persons. Yeah. Yeah. And he always makes jokes too because he's always like, what am I going to do? Your name's on my face. Because, you know, it's like, feet, feet, across. Aw.

It's like, okay, yeah, true. Yeah. That's your dude, man. You guys are super cute. And I mean, you guys aesthetically are just a gorgeous couple. Thank you. Yeah. For sure.

How do you, like, how do you navigate through, you know, you and jelly and like, you know? Well, I was actually going to ask you guys how do you guys navigate so privately because Jay and I have literally poured our entire relationship online. I mean, we've since day one have just been like, here we are, you know, and like just kind of like we got outed in the beginning. So we had to out ourselves, you know? And it was like since then we don't really have anything that's a secret. And I admire how you guys navigate because now that we're in the public eye a little bit more too, like how you guys are. It's like there are some things I want to for ourselves, you know, and I would love for you to give me any pointers on that. Because the way we navigate is we just fucking word vomit all over.

I'm always, I always say there's an annoying person that's online and then there's the one that's like very crafty and like only. appears when they need to and I'm the annoying one that's online that tells everybody everything. And then Jay's the one who's like, yeah. You know, like in the background, you'll see them every now. Honestly, I've always been kind of like pretty private. I think because I don't know. I don't know why, actually. I probably could be a lot more open.

I feel like you grew up in an era though, which was the same era that I grew up in. Yeah, we didn't even have online. Literally. So it's like you're just old school and like how you, you function. and which I think is beautiful because people don't really get to see everything. Right. Yeah.

I mean, it's pretty good. So I get like an email from your manager like, you gotta get on TikTok. We just need one, TikTok. I'll help you. I would love that actually. I need help. I will help you.

Me and Mimi will help you. She made me get on TikTok too in 2020. I was like, I am not fucking shaking my ass on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not doing it because everybody was dancing and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, everyone was dancing. Yeah, and she's like, you don't have to do that.

So it took me a long time to kind of find my niche on there, but really just talking to the camera and just being yourself is like what, people just want to know what you're fucking doing. You could wake up and post your breakfast every day and it'll get millions of views. Because you're like, my boy, Jordy Kray is obsessed with you. Really? He's like the, what can we call him? He's like a TikTok.

I don't want to call him a T-page because I feel like he's more than a T-page, but he's an informational page. He's an informational page. He's an informational outlet. And he absolutely, when he knew that you were coming on the podcast, he was just like, oh, my God. I love that. We might have to FaceTime him after just so I can say you can say hi to him. Yeah.

But just let's say, I have a couple more questions about you and Yella. So you and Yala have been rocking together for years now. What do you think is the secret sauce that keeps the fire alive? Weirdly enough, I think, and I don't recommend this for, and I don't want to have any more time. apart from him. But I think some time apart kind of you know

but I love that you said I don't want any more time apart from him because a lot of I think you guys are twin flames like how Jay and I are and Jay and I went through separations also and I think you guys both have to just come to a point where you're just like you know what we're in this together

no matter fucking what if we need to take a break I'm going to go vacation right for two weeks and then I'm going to come back and we're going to figure this shit the fuck out. And that's what Jay and I had to do. We had to just say, okay, we're not going to, one of us isn't going to be a runner anymore. Because I don't. Who's the runner? You? Him? Oh. Although, I think it reversed. For many years, he was the runner. And then it happened so many times that I was like,

maybe I should run a little bit. PTSD, though. You probably were like, let me run before he can run. Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah. 100%. So we've. yeah we've spent a lot of time apart we've missed birthdays we've missed really important times so i think you guys are going to figure it out now as we get older we calm down a lot too you know yeah as him as a man it's a good thing oh good yeah we love a docile yellow i like that yeah i like that he's calming down it makes me happy oh good are you guys ever going to collab together I actually was just in the studio with them and I'll try to hook

so. Yay! I love when you guys collab. I think it's beautiful. I think you guys get to really truly see you guys' love through music also. Well, the first time we ever tried, we went to studio Tree Sounds in Atlanta and we were just dating and that did not end up well.

We started just, you can't play that that's the wrong net. We were just getting at each other but now we're like, we respect each other's process. Aw. I love it. It's growth. You guys are growing up in front of my eyeballs. So let's take it back to your music. What's a song from your catalog that still hits you right in the feelers every time you hear it?

Well, Scar from Sunday Love. I wrote that with a good friend, Matthew Wilder, who actually is the lead singer of the, what's that song? Break Your Stride. From the 80s. Ain't nobody going to break your stride? Yeah. I love that.

And he's an amazing writer. He wrote Reflections. for Mulan and like he's just he's just like when you go there and you work with him he's like a guru he's just like such a sweet man and so Scar was a special one because he literally just took my poetry or like just journal writing and I was going through the situation with this guy and I would just read it to him and then he would take little bits from it and just put it into a song with me and it was really cool process I think the art of writing music is so poetic like it's crazy how songs come about and like what is what would you say that your process is in the studio for writing

music do you have like a ritual that you perform but I definitely need wine that's he needs a wine yeah it gets the emotions yeah gets the juices the creative juices going yeah yeah um what's your favorite wine I love so Saucers like I love a good French wine is it white or red it's white but I like a red when I'm like trying to chill but I don't like red there's nothing sexy about red wine. Your teeth get gray. Right. I can't do it. Do you like champagne? Do you like champagne? I do. I saw, you know, I'm sober now.

I didn't know that. Yeah, girl, I've been sober. Thank you. I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine and then 2018 off alcohol. Wow. Yeah. But before I was a great time. You got to experience that few times. Well, congrats. That's hard. It's hard. It is.

It is till it's not. And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey. but you got to really get real with yourself. All the shit that you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that. When you don't have anything in your system, that shit hits you full force. Absolutely. Yeah.

Absolutely. I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking. Sometimes it gets, here's the thing, too, is like it's everywhere. You know, when you're touring, when, you know, free, free, free, you know. And then getting on stage, you're like, I need something. Yeah. need something before I so that's a hard thing to

kind of deal with but that's your process and you're ready and sobriety isn't for everybody right you know like so I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself and like disrupting your everyday life with it I think that you know that's amazing

congrats that's beautiful I appreciate you so what's what's another ritual besides wine in you in the studio for your creative process A ritual. I like melodies. Like I'm a melody person. So more than a lyrical person.

Like Michael's amazing at lyrics. Like he can just spit lyrics like at the time of head. No, he's phenomenal. So good with it. And I'm more melody. So I just need to like hear like some chords or like piano being a piano being played or some guitar chords. And then I kind of hum something. And Jim Johnson taught me Holy Golly.

which I love, which is just get on the mic and let whatever's coming through you, just, even if it's just mumbling and you have some melody going with that. And he'll listen to it and be like, oh, did you hear that? You said that word there. And like, it's like you're doing it subconsciously, you know? Yeah. Kind of cool. That's pretty organic.

I like that. You do strike me as a melodic person because your music, like your songs, especially ones that have gotten huge, they have those melodies that stick in your mind. Yeah, I love melodies. Whereas, like, if you listen to Yellow Wolf's music, it's like, his lyrics. Yeah. You know,

like he's got that one, like lyric in the song that you just want to scream at the top of your lungs. Yeah. Yeah. I can totally see that. Are there any artists right now

that make you want to collaborate with them? Like, like you're, anybody that you could collaborate right now. Like I want to, I would kill to work with them. Dude, Amy Allen and the Sniffers,

I think that's with their band name is. They're from Australia. I haven't heard. I'm going to look them up. She's like a female front woman and she's amazing. The Snip.

Amy Allen and the Amy L, I think. Amy, and then just an L and the Sniffer's, yeah. Can you bring that up for us so we can hear some of her stuff? She's badass, and her visuals are crazy. Is she rock music? Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah, we're going to check her out right now. Just kick ass. Yeah. And they're from Australia? Yeah. You would never think that there would be rock bands from Australia. Yeah.

Yeah. Like her new visuals for, I think it's called. Oh, that song, Jerkin? Shh. It's crazy. Jerkin? Yeah. Jerkin?

Yeah. Listen, the sniffers, jerkin, I am here for this girl. Yeah, no, it's, it's sick. I love this. It's raunchy. She's beautiful. Yeah. She reminds me of somebody.

Who is it? Who does she remind me of? I don't know. Individuals are so awesome. Yeah. She's very like, veruga salt meets, like, Courtney Love. Yes. Type.

Yeah. It's the cold and love. Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah. Definitely whole, like the whole days. It's just so, like, it's so refreshing. I love seeing female front women. It's like, yeah, me too.

Always. So good. Girl power always. I'm going to check out some more. Like a pause. I'm going to check out more of her music later. I'm going to check out more of her music later. What's the one thing that people assume about you that's totally wrong?

Back in the day, it would always be like, what is she on? that was it. Don't you love that? When people are like, accuse you of being on drugs and you're like, wait, wait, that's just my eyes.

Like, I have hooded eyes. Like, what? I'm just seductive. Were you on drugs back then when people were asking? No,

that's what's funny because when I was dabbling in drugs, like that's when they were like, she looks great. And when I was, and it was like, she's on something. There's a problem here.

I'm like, what the fuck? You're like, what the fuck, I can't win. If you had to create like an alter-like ego, like what Beyonce has with Sasha, Sasha Fierce, what would your alter ego be like? Sunday love. Sunday love? Yeah. I love that you hold your mom so close to you like that.

What does that represent for you? What does she represent for you? You know, we've had our ups and downs and, but just, you know, she's a warrior to me. And like a single mother of four kids, like, made it work. and looking beautiful and I don't know you know we didn't have a lot of money but things that I did really need which was a karaoke machine which is what got me started

and you know we had food and we had shoes they may have been 12 bucks but they were you know yeah it doesn't matter if something was 12 dollars or you know like yeah she made it work and she also had amazing like well for her it wasn't vintage but to me it was vintage so i'd go through like barrels of like her clothes from the 60s and 70s and rocked at school you know do do you have any of her pieces still

I do yeah I do what do you have do you wear it on stage or is it like a good luck charm for you it's some of the more like them like the dresses I have some of those pieces and this cross the cross I wear um I never this is like one of the only gifts I got from her as an adult and I wear it all the time. Like it's like a superstition. Superstition. That right? Superstition.

Yeah. Yeah. But I, yeah. Sunday love would definitely be. I love that. Being the rock star that you are, what is the most rock star thing you've ever done? That you can say without getting in trouble. I'm trying to think.

I mean, I've done the all night. I've done the partying. I've done... Have you ever fucked up a hotel room? Like, just gone crazy and, like, smash the TV. No. I was too scared. Honestly, I was scared.

I don't blame you. I've seen Wolf and bones in those guys do a number on something. I've seen Wolf smash his own fucking monitors on stage. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that might be the most rock star thing I've done date him.

Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Like, come on. You're literally. ringing a real life fucking just werewolf over there. Right? Yeah. You're the Beastmaster.

The Beastmaster. Girl. That's amazing. So let's talk about what's next. Your fans are hungry for new music. What can you tell us about what's coming up next? Well, I need to get back in the studio. I've been

kind of dragging my feet. But now I'm starting to get inspired again. So I think, yeah. Just getting back in the studio, writing some songs, doing this tour with Averill in the summer. So I really want at least a couple new tracks to present. Is it a big tour that you guys are doing?

Let's talk about the tour. Yeah, she's doing, she's been on her greatest hits tour. And I was just on it before the new year. I did some dates and then they asked me back. So, yeah, I'm excited. I love her so much. She's such an awesome, awesome woman. Yeah, I haven't got to, I think I saw her at an award show.

I haven't got to, like, actually meet her, though. She'd love you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think she follows me on Instagram. Of course. Maybe I'll say hi.

Yeah. No, she's awesome. You'd love her. Good. Is she like girl power, like how you are too? Yeah. And I think as she's getting older, she's like, you know, we start at the same time. We're both from Canada.

And, um, yeah. And she's always been very supportive of me and, and I have her. so it's nice where can people buy tickets if they want to go i think do you know what dates you're doing yet or um i do but i don't remember them okay no worries i mean that's like that made no sense then i was like i do but i don't just google it's like you guys want to go um it's on her flyer like flyer it's on her post flyer we're 90s and 2000s babies over here um on her social media and then all mine as well. Yeah. Yay, I'm excited. Maybe we'll come to a show if you guys are close. That would be so fun. That would be amazing. Yeah, I want to see you in your element because all these years that I've

known you, I've never got to see you in your element. Have I? No, I don't think I have. Michael's coming too. Is he? I think he's going to come for the Niagara Falls. Yay. Awesome. All right, cool. Maybe we'll be able to come. I know Daddy's touring a little bit this year, but we have a lot of off time too, so we can definitely make that happen. You've evolved so much as an artist. What's something new that you're exploring in your sound this time around like when you do start writing what do you think you'll be doing that's different i think respecting that i'm in the like that i'll be 40 i think like really coming from like you know the the woman that i've become um that sounds like an album title the woman that i've become i love that and like just not try to um i don't know like

I don't want to go back in time. You know, I want to move forward. And I respect what I've done in the past, but I do want to move forward. And I'd love to have a child, too, at some point. And I think that would inspire my writing as well. Yeah, we need a little thieves running around. Oh, my God. Your kid with your face would be so fucking cute, dude.

I can see it now. I'm visually. You've got to manifest it. Yeah, I really do. I mean, you know, life is, I don't have to. I don't have control over what goes on inside, right? I mean, as I'm getting older, so I'm like, I'm, I have to be, I'm ready, I think. Are you guys trying to have a baby?

Indirectly? Yeah. Yeah. Is yellow open to have a baby? Oh, he wants a child, yeah. Oh, my God. It's going to happen. You're putting it in the universe, so it's going to happen.

It'd be cool. Be in a woman. Oh, just trying to procreate these days. After all the shit we've done with our bodies is like, you know, it's hard. You know, I lived a very rough life, so I put my body through a lot of shit. I don't know about you, but, you know, yeah, everybody's bodies are different, but it's going to happen for you guys. Thanks. I'm really excited.

All right, so I'm going to ask you some rapid fire questions, and you have to answer fast. All right, I'll try. All right. Dream Festival lineup. Who's playing? Who's playing? Dream Festival lineup. Well, Amy L on the Snifers.

Yeah. Um, uh, ooh, let's throw, I don't know, Mariah Carey in there. What a diverse festival. Would Mariah even step out into a festival with her heels? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But that would be hilarious.

She'd be like me, a festival girl, never. Yeah. You get one superpower. What are you choosing? Uh, flying. Aw, I love that. What is it about flying that you love? I don't know.

I dream of it a lot that I can fly out of situations. It's a little safe. I love that. Just be above ground and watch everything. I love that. If you weren't doing music, what would you be doing? Does acting count? Or is that still in the same?

Yeah. No, I mean, I think acting's hard, dude. Not that being a musician isn't, but acting is another craft. Yeah, acting. Or working with dolphins. I don't know. She's like both. Fuck it.

What's the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself? Weirdest rumor in the hair of it. I don't know if I have heard any rumors. She's like I stay. She's like, I stay so under the radar, bitches. You guys do not know. I'm like, what's great? That'd be great.

Let's get the rumor mill flying. Yeah. One thing you can't go on tour without. my leather pants what did you say I'm so sorry leather pants leather pants oh yeah no I agree or leather jacket and leather jacket

yeah totally combo and we're going to close this out what is something that you're working on that fans can get hyped for besides new music and the tour with Averill it's a lot there's a movie I'm in a movie

Yay. And that's coming out. I think the premiere is the end of the month. And yeah, it's kind of like a love letter to Scarborough, which is where I'm from. Yeah. What's your part in the movie? I'm a nurse that is in a relationship with a younger guy who ultimately gets put in a really tough situation. And there's a lot of, yeah.

violence and sadness, but at the end of the day, the movie is about hope and being resilient. Does it have a name? Morningside. Morningside. Yeah, morning side. It's directed by my friend Ron Diaz from Toronto. And yeah, that's something different. How can people watch it?

Can we watch it? I think it'll be in theaters, actually. Yeah. Look at you, my little actress. Yeah, I think it'll be in theaters. I don't know if it'll be in theaters like in Nashville or like, whatever, but it'll be somewhere. Do you think it all be on streaming ever?

Yeah. I feel like everything goes to fucking streaming now. Everything goes to streaming like in like two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know why we have. Like Gnobratu's out and everyone's like, we have to go see the theater. And then it was like five days later.

It's, it's. Yeah, I don't even know why they have theaters anymore. I feel like it's just like a, like a, what do they call it? Like a, God, what is the word? Nostologic, like. Nostologic, yes. The thing is, though, when you go, you literally have everyone talking. And we, Michael and I went to go see this movie called Presence the other

day and we had it was so bad it's supposed to be a horror movie and I'm a horror buff I love horror films and it was so bad like I started busting out laughing in like a middle of a really quiet scene and Michael looks at me goes we gotta get out of here let's just go because we were gonna both die laughing so we had her popcorn and we and he had his jalapinos and his nachos with his cheese and then what's your favorite horror movie because one of my girlfriends is a huge horror fan and she even reads like the horror books do you read those too now okay i don't i don't know if that's something you'd be into but i don't well it's i forget the name of it i'll have to go look i'll send it to you i'll screenshot it to you but she was telling me about how she's reading this book where

this guy takes this lady's body rips her arms off and her teeth out and then like has his way with her and i'm like why are you reading that what the fuck about that turns you on i kind of get why the teeth were taken out I mean, I didn't even think that far ahead. Yeah. Man. Yeah, okay, so you're not that much of a horror, like into like the crazy stuff like that. My favorite horror movie is like The Exorcist.

Okay. I love, you know, a good Freddy Krue. I love Freddie Kroger, so I love Pne Maron Horm Street. And then, um, uh, Exorcism of Emily Rose. I like, I like, that kind of more like a slasher. I'm not a big slasher. Right. Okay.

So you like, like, that like fantasy, dreamy, like horror. Yeah, I like. I like possession. Okay, so like spiritual. What about the exorcism was like fantasy? I've never watched it. I'm scared. I get scared with like spiritual shit.

I'm afraid something's going to latch on to me. No, it's true. It's one of those things you have to be very careful with what you watch. Like Michael, he's less about that. But I just make sure that everything's protected. I have people in my life that cleanse them mirrors and do all the things. Which is very important. You have to have a team.

Are you into like witchcraft and stuff like that? I didn't know that. So do you practice? I grew up with it around my home and my mom could read cards and she was very spiritually intuned and could see things and sense things. So it's just natural that I gravitate. Yeah. And I think sometimes people think hear that word and they get scared and there's a lot of

like beauty in in in in in like yeah no no I don't always good and bad of course and that's what I was just about to say is like I don't think people people realize people think when they hear the word witch witchcraft they think about like how the Bible's always like oh it's so bad and blah blah blah but really if you think about it in the Bible they talk about manifesting they talk about like spell work and stuff like that and even lighting a candle we like candles all the time communion yeah is a ritual that people do in Christian churches and Catholic churches. And honestly, like, there are good people, there are bad people, people are going to use things for good or for darkness, it's for anything. Yeah.

You know, so I have a lot of good, um, beautiful, um, people who protect you. Yeah, with beautiful light around them. So, and you're protected in the spiritual realm too. Yeah, now I got, I got puppies up there. I got my dogs. I got extra protection. Yes. I love my girl so much. So, Phoebe, thank you so much for coming back. Thank you for having me. I'm just so happy to be sitting here with you and I'm just, I can see the growth in you too. Like, it's so sweet. Not that you needed growth or anything

like that, but I mean, 10 years is a huge thing. So I can just see like how much you know, life you've lived since we met. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, tell people where they can find you. Well, I guess I have a TikTok. I'm gonna go follow it right now. Yeah, I'm so excited. I do have a TikTok.

And then I think my actual Instagram is Fifi Dopson. I actually don't even know. Is my Instagram Fipi Dopson? We'll look it up right now. Oh my gosh. Everyone's like, everyone's like, what the heck? TikTok is Fifi Dopsin too, right?

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They're all following right now. That's me. Dude, you and Yella should make some TikToks. They'll go viral. Yeah.

Or even, dude, go on TikTok and sing one of your, your classic songs like to the, like, just like you getting ready. That would fucking go viral, dude. Yeah, I need your help. I got you. I love when you. musicians are like stripped down like you said. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I want to do that thing that they, what do they do at Starbucks where you make your, your significant person or, you know, order you a drink that doesn't exist and they get so frustrated. Yes. Oh, my God. He would get so mad to. Oh, he gets so.

Do it. It would be so funny. Do it, please. Not at the cost of anything, an argument, but please just do it. I think it would be so funny, dude. So funny. Yay. Yay.

You guys go follow Phoebe right now. She needs all the love on TikTok. please and I can't wait to see you just succeed and keep growing like you have been. I appreciate it. Yeah. Love you. Love you. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumbloid.

I will see you guys next week. Bye.