Dumb Blonde - TBT: Gypsy Rose - Healing From Horror

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Throwback ThursdayBunnie is joined by Meme and Hailee this week for a deep dive into the story of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. The girls unpack the family secrets, abuse, and trauma Gypsy endured, along with the chilling murder plot involving her mother, Dee Dee. They also discuss Gypsy’s life after prison, her relationships, and her rapid rise to social media fame.Gypsy Rose Blanchard: IG | TikTokWatch Full Episodes & More:YouTubeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Or no it was probably 11 At 11 they were supposed to be bringing it The fucking restaurant closed And he never got a sandwich I never got the sandwich. So we call it getting Schlotsky because they just keep moving the time up and up and up. Oh, tragic. After four hours.

That happened to be in New York, you guys, when I went back up to my hotel room. When we were walking and we were down by St. Patrick's Cathedral, we ordered it. And I wanted like a little dessert to get delivered. And I was like, by the time we walk all the way back to Times Square, it should be delivered, right? His food got delivered. And mine, as the guy showed up, canceled the fucking order. No. No, that is the worst.

I feel like they should fucking have to pay for that. It was awful. Like, that is like emotional distress. That's what I would like. Especially when you've been waiting like an hour or two. And you want something, you have like a taste in your mouth or something. You just wanted it. It looks so good.

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have riding on them too so which means they were like manhandled but's not freak her out no i know listen i had to really block it out so anyways um we ordered food a while ago and the time just keeps going up and up and up and just a minute ago it was at 655 then it went up to 710 then it went up to 715 tell them i'm gonna go right i'm gonna cry i always message it's at 735 no i swear to god message the guy and be like what the fuck is happening nobody is it says preparing your order oh they haven't even finished they haven't even done the wrapping up no should i call them mine doesn't do the wrapping up call so pause while we wait let's dive into the icon of the month right now like gypsy rose is really getting a lot of attention and I could listen to her talk forever I love her voice yeah

you like yeah I love her voice they do say that when girls have trauma at such a young age their voices get stuck like that and high-pitched I used to have a friend named Katie who had a really high-pitched voice like that wow they almost still sound like little girls yeah it's like harboring that little part that you didn't get in your life yeah she has so much trauma dude it's unbelievable it's crazy weird how like kind of normal feel like if she is right now with what she freaking went through yeah for sure it's definitely a lot to take on and i was i started watching her lifetime um episodes last night her dad's not a bad looking dude she must be on some type of like publicist run or her publicist got her like for sure in the rounds because there are so

many interviews we've got lifetime we've got ABC we've got NBC like all of the things are just coming for her and I don't know how she's able to keep that composure so well I'm wondering if someone was training her in jail before she got out because she is so well spoken um I think probably yeah working with somebody training her but also when you come from such traumatic shit like that you learn to have calm in the chaos so true very true i really think you know and not to mention she spent a lot of time in hospitals she spent a lot of time around people who talked you know and she wasn't not all there so like she was able to comprehend everything they were saying yeah i just it's crazy to me she knows exactly

what to say when she's asked watching that um i think it was ABC i believe did a interview with her and they asked some really like interesting questions that i feel like they were trying to slip her up almost and get her to say something and her responses were so well articulated that it really impressed me well she's had eight years to sit in there and think of what she's going to say too you know and i mean i believe everything about her story i think even down to the grandpa molesting her that was um in the first two episodes of her thing last that dropped last night the lifetime thing and you know the grandpa denied it and i'm just like this little girl's been through so much. She's not little anymore, but this girl has been through so much that it's like why

her grandpa molesting her is like the least of her worries. And I'm not downplaying her trauma. I'm just saying this girl's had her teeth ripped out of her head because of her mom like crazy shit, you know, so I don't think her saying, hey, my girl. And the weirdest thing was, did you guys watched any of the episodes? A little bit of it. Yeah. The grandpa, whenever they said this to him, was completely guilty. He sat there and looked at him and was like, no, I never touched her. she used to try to touch me when she was four years old like ew bro why would you say that like even this is the grandpa of the mom so like that already tells me the mom was already sick in the fucking head well i think got it from someone yeah i think maybe he did it to the mom and then

most definitely you never know gypsy said she did try to talk to her grandpa about it or her mom about it and the mom like started like blaming herself and crying and all this stuff and gypsy said she just kind of shut down because of course her mom was making it all about her of course wasn't about her you know it had to go it had to be about her so well let's dive in let's start talking about it yeah the story's crazy man i really feel like she deserves everything she's getting right now talking about being a sensation gypsy rose has come out of uh jail and overnight has gained 7.4 million followers on social media i think there's self is across all socials no just TikTok Okay, I was going to say, I think, yeah, I'm going to go look at her TikTok right now.

Her first selfie. I've never seen somebody's, I know, I've never seen somebody's TikTok grow this fast. They already have it verified. Yeah, like it's crazy. Her team works hard, that's for sure. They put in work. Eight million. She's like eight million.

So since last night, when I typed in the 7.4, she has grown on Instagram. Okay, so since last night she has jumped to the 8 million. Yeah. Because she has become more active on TikTok also. Yeah. And, you know, came out of the gate. just selfieed up looking amazing married like I she's so cute right adorable she looks like a cute little possum don't you think like just the cutest like little just you want to just kiss her little

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good old ddie you want to get us started dd blanchard was born claudine petrie in louisiana near the gulf coast in 1967 and grew up with her family in nearby golden meadow She was one of the five children of Claude Anthony Petrie, Senior. That's Gramps, right? And Emma Lou, Emma Louise Gisclair. And they are so Cajun, dude. Very Cajian. So Cajun.

Is that what they're called Cajun, right? Because they talk with that Louisiana. Cajun accent. You know, you can't understand them. Like, no, it's crazy. Cajun is actually French. Fun fact, everyone. It's French for trash.

Can we talk about your moment? No. No, but they have a very strong accent. And five kids, so she's one of five. Did you say that? Yep, one of five. Relatives recalled. Yeah, relatives recalled that she had a habit of stealing from her family,

which they speculated was a form of retaliation when things didn't go her way. At some point early in her adult life, she worked as a nurse's aide. The family expressed suspicion that in 1997 she might have killed her own mother by denying her food. So she starved her own mother. I also read that she was like slowly poisoning her too. Oh, so like Sprint once. Yeah.

Sorry, guys. I don't know what the... Wet your whistle. I'm trying to. The fucking Uber Eats driver just messaged me. Said it's going to be about 25 minutes do we want them to wait. We've already been waiting. It's going to take this as long to get anything else.

I was going to say, yeah, I'll take. Tell him to throw in some free bread sticks. Free bread sticks. So how was she withholding food from her mom? She was a nurse's aide. She was the nurse's aide for her mom. So it's probably her responsibility to do such things as like feeding and taking care for. I wonder if she did it to anyone else too.

Like I wonder if she was at aid for anyone else and would also. But Dee Dee had to be sick in the mind to do what she did to her. daughter, let alone to everyone else. So I mean, to put a woman like that in care of anyone is just disheartening. What weirds me out is it says the family expressed suspicion that in 1997 she might have killed her own mother by denying her food. Yeah. Yet you guys were fine with her having a child and doing this to her. But you guys suspected that she killed somebody. I feel like what's wrong with this family? They had this has to be within the jeans. This can't. I get it. I get. It's in your pool. This is in the DNA, motherfucker.

Someone peed in your gene pool. Yeah, literally. No, this is, that's is more than pissed. This is somebody took a big old condo. Nine inch turd. Nine inch turd fell from the butthole into these genes. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And that's J, G-E-N-E-S.

I don't even know how you just spelled that. I'm so hungry. I fucking almost couldn't take it the way. Take it the way. Well, when she was 24. she became pregnant by Rod Blanchard, then 17. Hmm. Sounds not legal.

Wait. Yeah. Yeah, they said that in the lifetime thing. She was 24. Well, she lied. She lied about her age to him. That's what he said. Wow.

Oh, Rod. And Rod's a good-looking dude. He's not a bad looking. I need a picture of Rob. Rod, Rod. I don't think I've seen him. So I first... Look on her social media.

She put up like a family picture together. I was on her selfie. has 6.5 million likes per. That's her dad. Yeah. What? That's what I said. That's what I said.

I'm like, how did, I'm not understanding how him and fucking old Deidre. I wonder if they were in a relationship. She was pretty. Yeah. For like a year. I wonder if they were in a relationship, though, or if it was like a one night stand type of thing. Well, he said that they got married after she got pregnant within like three months.

And after a year of them being together, he told. or like, hey, dude, I don't want to be in this anymore. Yeah, they broke up before a gypsy was even born. Yeah. And the mom always blamed her and said that your dad left me because you weren't the son that he wanted. Yeah. That's fucked up to do to a child, dad. How do you say that to a child?

Like, that's so fucking weird. That's awful. But like, give it up. If you don't want the child, give it up for adoption, man. Like, I don't know. I feel like she kind of saw her ticket, though. Oh, for sure. And a way to control him.

Yeah, for sure. Because she was very crazy about their relationship. She wouldn't let them have a relationship together. They named their daughter Gypsy Rose because Dedey liked the name Gypsy and Rod was a fan of Guns and Roses. Shortly before Gypsy's birth in July of 1991, the couple separated when Rod realized he got married for the wrong reasons. He resisted Dedy's efforts to get him to return and she took her newborn daughter to live with her family. gypsy often went with her parents to special olympics events in 2001 when dd claimed gypsy was eight she was actually 10 she was named the honorary queen of the crew of mid city a child-oriented parade

held during marigrault in new orleans just so weird that she just wanted her kid to be younger than she was like she's still a child 10 years old is not grown that's not that much older yeah it's so weird. I feel like something happened to D.D. when she was really young, and I know that we had kind of touched on that before. But, like, she was trying to, like, hold on to that adolescence with everything that she had. Well, I think the younger she was, too, the more perks she got. It seemed like, yeah. She seems very conniving. Oh, yeah. I wonder if we know Gypsy's real age, if her birth certificate was actually destroyed. Well, she forged. She forged her birth certificate.

Oh. Weird. That'll do it. Gypsy seems to have stopped going to school after second grade, possibly even as early as kindergarten. Her mother homeschooled her after that, supposedly because her illnesses were so severe. This was later believed to have been an attempt to isolate Gypsy to further her abuse. Wow.

Gypsy's father had remarried and Dee-D moved in with her father. and stepmother. They later said that when preparing food for her stepmother, Dede poisoned it with Roundup weed killer, leading to the stepmother's chronic illness during this period. During that time, D.D. was arrested for several minor offenses, including writing bad checks. When the petries began to regularly confront her about her treatment of Gypsy and expressed suspicion about her role in her stepmother's health, Dedy left with Gypsy for the New Orleans suburb of, I think it's Slidale? How do I pronounce it? that's Liddell her stepmother's health returned to normal shortly after why didn't they test her

blood but like why was she living with them but you're she couldn't afford to go anywhere else you're just that's awful but also if you're feeling sick eating this food why don't you stop eating this food but they even said I even saw like when she wasn't around and she wasn't eating their food she would feel better so I'm just like I'm not catch on to that. I mean, you have to know. Let me eat something and get sick one time from somebody. I'm never eating him again.

She doesn't. I won't eat from anybody anyways. But like that's just insane to me that. She just kept doing it. That they just. Her mom than her. They're like, hey, are you poisoning her? You know, and like letting her fucking lie her way out of it and then continuing to let

her cook for this woman. I don't feel like, I don't, I don't know, they had to be sick in their own heads because there's no way that you just, yeah. maybe oblivious maybe that's what it is just like no they're not oblivious they knew it was going on oblivious would mean that they weren't paying attention or that they didn't know what was going on they knew it was going on that's awful yeah that's exactly what they did let her leave with this child yeah in slidel sladale in sladale she and gypsy lived in public housing they paid their bills with rod's child support payments and public assistance dd had been granted due to her daughter's supposed

medical conditions. So I'm wondering she must have been making these up when Gypsy was young because it says that she left while she was a newborn and she's over here getting public assistance already while she's a newborn. They saw various specialists, mostly at the, how would you guys say that, Tulane? Chulane. Mostly at the Tulane Medical Center and the Children's Hospital of New Orleans. Seeking treatment for the illness, D.D. claims Gypsy had, which now includes hearing and vision problems with a muscle biopsy found no signs of the muscular

dystrophy dystrophy dystrophy found no signs of muscular I can't see she's hungry found no signs of muscular dystrophy

dd insisted gypsy had she had successfully in secure treatment for gypsy's other issues after she told doctors gypsy had seizures every few months they prescribed anti-seizure magication don't you have to have proof for seizures how so back then like i'm confused back then i don't think they had the technology that we have now like they don't they didn't do sleep studies and stuff yeah when um kela had hers didn't she have to have like you have to do sleep study well there's a thing with seizures

and you know this is what i've been told i'm not 100% positive so anybody out there if you have seizures, you know, please take this with a grain of salt. But one of the doctors did tell Kayla that in order to be diagnosed with a seizure problem, you have to have more than one. Correct. I do remember her saying that is like, you can't be considered epileptic unless you have more than one seizure. Yes, which is scary. Yeah. Because, you know, like, let's just risk it. Oh my gosh. So I don't know how, if they were like faking it, if she was making Gypsy fake them or what? It says that she had several surgeries were performed on her during this time. D.D. regularly took Gypsy to the emergency room for minor ailments.

What if she maybe did? Like what it? I mean, how do we? Gypsy had said in the special, she said that she would do anything for her mom because she just wanted to feel loved. And if she didn't feel loved, if she didn't do what her mom wanted her do, her mom would make sure that she didn't feel loved and would like love. on the cat and like pet the cat and like love on the cat and then look at her you know like as a newborn she can she doesn't know to do that so she's like what if she actually had problems as a newborn like for real but then dd saw that she could get money from that and she just kept it going she did like maybe

that's she had an eye problem she had an extremely lazy eye and i think that's what she noticed yeah because in the beginning they said something about vision issues that and uh i heard she had like breathing problems or something like that and that's where the like the sleep after I don't believe the breathing problems. I think the mom was causing that. But the eye for sure, something, you know, she was born with the lazy eye. Yeah. And, you know, I feel like in the 90s, too, there also wasn't a whole lot of testing.

Like you're saying for seizures and things like that. So at that time, she could have almost made up wherever. And especially since you hear so often, she definitely doctor shopped. And it even says it in here, like what we were just discussing, that if she didn't get her answer from one doctor, it did not stop her. She was going to a walk-in clinic. She was going to different doctors and different specialists and different hospitals. Yeah.

And back then, we didn't have the technology we have now. Exactly. All the hospitals talk to each other. Yeah. So you could have just shopped anyone in this time. And that because people back in the day, whenever I used to pop pills, they would doctor shop to get multiple pills before laws were passed. Oh, yeah. Dude, I used to make so much money selling LOR tabs, dude.

I'd go to one doctor, get a script for like 120, go to another doctor, and I would sell them for four or five dollars a pill. Wow. Sometimes $6. the pill. That's crazy. It was nuts. I was back in the old days. Damn. Where did you leave off?

Right here the second page. Okay. After Hurricane Katrina devastated the area in August 2005, Dede and Gypsy left their ruined apartment for a shelter in Covington set up for people with special needs. D.D. said Gypsy's medical records, including her birth certificate, had been destroyed in the flooding. Convenient. A doctor there.

from the Ozark suggested they relocate her to Missouri and the next month they were airlifted there that's where I was born so they're skipping ahead a lot in this article right here um so her dad was trying really hard to be a part of her life and her dad had already remarried and I love her stepmom her stepmom's a dope bitch you can just tell in her demeanor the way she carries herself like love everything about her I was just like okay you know like this is a good woman and she the lady her stepmother was talking like hey we have tried to have a relationship with her we during this time uh deedy had taken gypsy and completely hidden her they didn't know where they thought they died in the hurricane Katrina did the dad get with this stepmom shortly after

since i think since she was five months old or something like that yeah immediately he pretty much divorced her yeah and goes yeah and is with the same person and she's a good looking woman yeah you can tell yeah because it was so crazy because i was like he's good looking I was like, that's her dad, because I didn't expect that. And I was like, not that I think he's hot or anything, but I was just like, for Didi, like it just was a mismatched pair. Yeah. And then I saw the stepmom and I was like, okay, that'll do it.

You know, like that makes sense. Yeah, like that's more his speed. Um, so yeah, they were trying to do that. And then this is the time when her mom started discovering that she could get like money and stuff. Yeah. Or D.D. being sick. Yep. And then that's how she had them airlifted was the.

whole like charity yeah so they're saying that she's special needs at this point so like at this is this turning she has cancer do have they already gone to cancer i feel like we're on like the verge of cancer no this is yeah this is right where she's saying she has cancer her head was already shaved so i think she was already telling people she had leukemia is what she was telling people um but yeah yeah she regularly shaped her head at first dd and gypsy lived in a rented home in Aurora in southwestern Missouri. During their time there, Gypsy was honored by the Ole Foundation, which advocates for the rights of feeding tube recipients. This made me so sick to my stomach when I saw it. Yeah. Oh, it's awful. Yeah. Just so crazy. As it's 2007 child of the year,

in 2008, Habitat for Humanity built them a small home with a wheelchair ramp and hot tub as part of the larger project, sorry, as part of a larger project on the north side of Springfield to the east and the two moved there the story of a single mother with a severely disabled daughter forced to flee katrina's devastation received considerable local media attention and the community often pitched in to help the woman who now went by claudine blanchard or however they i forgot i forgot how they pronounce it it was like blanchard or something she like she had changed her name dd had changed her name and whom they knew is dd um so yeah this time she's already telling people that she has cancer. This is now her like fresh start. No. There's like no social

media, but pre-Katrina. So Katrina is like her turning point. And Blachard is now, you know, starting fresh. So no one's going to question her daughter. No. Yeah. At all. Especially if you're regularly, regularly shaving her head. Yeah. You're not going to be like, oh, that's fake. And you know, I know her teeth were coming out. She had her fucking saliva glands removed. Did you know that? had her own daughter's saliva glands removed so which made me think like can she like does her mouth i was going to i knew you were going that direction i was going to but i switched it up because i didn't want to be disrespectful but i i does her mouth get moist is the question because if her salivary glands are gone how does she wet her whistle yeah you know i mean eating

has to be an issue yeah most definitely yeah i'm also wondering in a this is horrific that in you almost won't think that gypsy believed it if you're raised your entire life being told the sky is red you have no idea it's blue you know what i mean she didn't believe it because she even says it in the interview she knew that she was okay because like when her mom wasn't around she would eat with everybody else she would go jump on trampolines but that's what i want to at what point did she have that like every switch her entire life she knew that she wasn't wrong she said that. I feel like maybe when she was younger, but I think maybe when she got, I'm wondering like consciousness of it of like real young. Yeah. She had no idea. The old like like, like probably like

Toddler. Um, what was that called? Five, you start realizing, hey mom, I can get up and walk. Why am I in this wheelchair? But she said she did it to just like, she wanted the love of her love from her mom. Yeah. Which makes me so sad because in these interviews, you can see that she wants to cry talking about her mom. and that's why I really actually love Gypsy now because you can see how much remorse she has She still defends her mom a lot Like when asked about her mom in that interview that I watch She still has her mom's back in a lot of this

Which I mean, you have to be trauma bonded to someone like this For sure, soul tie of some sort of. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, rough If anybody wants to know our food is not on the way I just want to let you guys know that But we do have a fucking Uber Eats guy there. Many people who met Gypsy were charmed by her five foot height. Nearly toothless mouth, large glasses, and high childlike voice reinforced the perception that she had all the problems her mother claimed she did.

D.D. regularly shaved Gypsy's head to mimic the hairless appearance of a chemotherapy patient, allegedly telling Gypsy that since her medication would eventually cause her hair to fall out, it was best to shave it in advance. Gypsy often wore wigs or hats to cover her baldness. When they left the house, Dee Dee took an oxygen tank and feeding tube with them. Gypsy was fed the children's liquid nutrition supplement, pediashire,

well into her 20s. Jesus, great. Bro, that can't be good for mental. It's very shocking that Gypsy is so well-rounded. And, like, normal, having the fact that you, lived off of pedia shirt into your 20s that's not that long ago that can't be healthy no that's no wonder she wanted to kill her mom i mean she felt i saw uh she said that her first day in prison she was happy she felt free she said she walked out into the courtyard and fucking was so happy

because it's like a breath of fresh hair it was a breath of fresh hair like that's sad you're in prison and your first thought is holy shit i'm free yeah i honestly believe a lot of will commit crimes and stuff to go to prison. Yeah. Like to be free, like, to get out of situations. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Wow.

Yeah, I agree with that too. D.D. used physical abuse to control Gypsy. Oh, she was beating her too. Physical and emotional, yeah. Always holding her hand in the presence of others. When Gypsy said something that suggested she was not genuinely sick or seemed beyond her purported mental capacity. Gypsy recalls that her mother

would squeeze her hand very tightly when the two were alone Didi struck her with an open hand or a coat hanger. It sounds like fucking mommy dearest. That's fucking wild. Medical interventions continued. Didi had

some of Gypsy's saliva glands treated with Botox, then extracted altogether to control her purported drooling. Gypsy later claimed her mother induced drooling by using a topical anesthetic to numb her gums before doctor visits. The lack of salivary glands, coupled with side effects of the anti-seizure medication, she was given caused gypsies already few teeth to decay to the point that the majority of her front

teeth were extracted and replaced by a bridge. Tubes were implanted in her ears to control her myriad purported ear infections. What? God. Botox and your saliva glands? Absolutely wild. Ow. And have those tubes implanted in her ears is crazy because as a child, I suffered from severe earaches and they wanted to put tubes in my ears and my parents said no, but like to fake having severe ear infections, like how did she do that? She probably had to cause

trauma to gypsy's ears. Well, I mean, if she's hitting her, I'm wondering if that, like... Are putting something in there to make the... She had to have blamed. Oh, how sad. Yeah. That's right. And there's probably stuff we don't even know about.

Like, babies can... That could have been one of... It's hard to tell what's true or not because, like, my kids have multiple ear infections a year. You know, it could have been teething. It could have been, like, all these different things that could be causing that... Yeah, but how old was she here? She really forced those things. Like, if I wanted to, my kid had two air infections, especially.

past year I could be like put tubes in his ears but like in reality if there's no medical records being shared yeah she could have literally gone to someone and be like she's had five ear infections put tubes in yeah and in reality it could have been like one right that's so wild god i couldn't imagine being this fucking weird dude Fernando flasterstein we saw him on these uh interviews interview last night a pediatrician neurologist who saw gypsy in springfield became suspicious of her muscular dystrophy diagnosis. He ordered MRIs and blood tests, which found no abnormalities. I don't see any reason why she doesn't walk, he told Dedy on a follow-up visit after seeing Gypsy stand and support her own weight. Plasterstein noted that Dedy was not a good

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you need to literally be like yo she's had multiple surgeries her head is shaved she's in a wheelchair salivably glands removed teeth out of her head like what the hell yeah like just she i really feel like these doctors failed her they dropped the ball wholeheartedly so bad and for them to even go on the show and still defend their actions is crazy like somebody needs to be like i'm sorry i'm sorry that i didn't want to get involved yes then i could respect it a lot more and like now if had this happen nowadays they will call cps literally and i'll be anything i won't call cps on people all the time yeah it's crazy like you didn't have so like that's just really sad i feel like the system

failed gypsy in this no for sure supporting dd to social services social services he said other doctors had told him to treat the pair with golden gloves and doubted the authorities would believe him anyways in 2009 an anonymous caller told the police about dd's use of different names and birth dates for herself and her daughter and suggested gypsy was in better health than claims Officers who performed the resolving wellness check accepted Dee Dee's explanation that she used the misinformation to make it harder for her abusive ex-husband to find her and Gypsy without talking to Rod and reported that Gypsy seemed genuinely mentally disabled. The file was closed. So those people also should say sorry. Everyone failed here.

Yeah, it reminds me of that one story. I forget who it was, but the kid like kept going into the system was getting beat. by his parent. Gabriel. Hernandez? Is that it? Yeah, that was so sad. Yeah, and then the little boy ends up dying. They kept, they kept him locked in like a cabinet. Yeah. Why do you have kids to do this to them? I feel like the people who don't deserve children have them. Yes. It's just crazy. D.D. seems to have at least once forged a copy of Gypsy's birth certificate, changing her birthday to 1995 to claims that she was still a teenager. Gypsy said in a later interview that for 14 years she was not sure of her real age.

How sad. God. She sometimes also claimed that the original have been destroyed during the post-Katrina flooding. D.D. did keep another copy with Gypsy's real birthday. Gypsy recall seeing it during one of their hospital visits and becoming confused. D.D. told her it was a misprint. Since 2001, Gypsy had attended science fiction and fantasy conventions, sometimes in costumes, since she could blend in to their diverse and exclusive and inclusive communities in her wheelchair.

At a 2011 event, she made what may have been an escape attempt that ended when her mother found her in a hotel room with a man she had met online. Again, D.D. produced the paperwork given Gypsy's false younger birth date and threatened to inform the police. Gypsy recalls that afterward, D.D. smashed her computer with a hammer and threatened. to do the same to her fingers if she ever tried to escape again. She also kept Gypsy leashed and handcuffed to her bed for two weeks. D.D. later told Gypsy that she had filed paperwork with the police claiming that Gypsy was mentally incompetent, leading Gypsy to believe that if she attempted to go to the police for help, they would not believe her.

That sucks. But it also reminds me of like, didn't she lie to Gypsy's dad about her age too? Yeah. so it's like no fun when the rabbits got the gun right yeah that's so scary uh sometime around 2012 so like we're let me just like timeline this so now we're in like i was a junior in high school and this was going on in a whole like that's crazy that was 22 okay sometimes you're being a whore you were wait you were 22 when i was a junior in high school no me think no no 32 32

I don't even know I don't even know I was like I know I know it was in the twos I know it's fun to the twos Gypsy who continued to use the internet after her mother had gone to bed to avoid her

tightened supervision made contact online with Nicholas Gojohn Gojin a man around her age from Big Bend Wisconsin whom she said

she had met on a Christian single's website. Christian Minkle. He had a criminal record for indecent exposure in a history of mental illness sometimes reported as dissociative identity disorder. He had also been autistic.

So we're going to hop back into this. In 2014, Gypsy confided to 23-year-old neighbor, Alia Woodmancy, who unaware that Gypsy was closer to her own age, considered herself a big sister. she confided that she and godijon how do i pronounce that gojohn jojohn gojohn she and gojohn had discussed eloping and even had even chosen names for potential children gypsy who had five separate facebook accounts and gojean flirted online their exchange is sometimes using bdsm elements which gypsy has since claimed was more what he was interested in woodman see tried to talk her out of it still thinking gypsy was too

too young and possibly being taken advantage of by a sexual predator. She considered Gypsy's plans, just fantasies and dreams, and nothing like this would ever really take place. Despite Dee Dee's efforts to prevent her from using the internet, which went on as far as destroying her daughter's phone and laptop, Gypsy maintained contact with Woodmancy, who saved printouts of her posts until 2014. Whoa. Yeah, that's crazy.

So in 2014, we've already got like super smart phones. Yeah. Yeah, you know, there's FaceTime even at this point. Like, you're fully technologically aware. But here's the thing. She's 24. Like, she's about to start bucking. You know, like, she's like, I'm ready to rock.

I want to get the fuck out of here. I want to have kids with this dude. Like, poor baby had to have, like, an online fantasy life. Imagine what he told her. I would love to see the transcripts between them. But imagine what he's, like, opening her eyes to that she has. had no idea about and then not only that your first sexual like encounters with this person is to talk like in a BDSM way like she doesn't know like abusive almost literally you're going that's good

it's normal or something insane the next year gypsy arranged and also paid for God God God Godman to meet her mother in Springfield her plan was for him to just casually bump into her while she and Dee-D were at the movie theater, both of them in costume and apparently strike up a relationship that way. And then later for her to introduce him to her mother, as soon as they did meet in person for the first time, he said Gypsy led him to the bathroom where the two of them had sex. So she obviously wasn't a virgin, which would corroborate her stories about. her grandfather unless there was some other dick she got somewhere along the line what do you mean she wasn't a virgin if she's just taking this dude in the bathroom and they're banging and she's a virgin like i'd seriously doubt that that's i mean well that's why we need gypsy on the podcast i know

jipsey come on they said that the two had continued their internet interactions and began developing their plan to off dd you're ready dd murder murder Murder. Gojean returned to Springfield in June of 2015, arriving while Gypsy and her mother were away at a doctor's appointment. After they had returned home and Dee-D had gone to sleep, he went to the Blanchard house. Gypsy let him in and allegedly gave him duct tape, gloves, and a knife

with the understanding that he would use it to murder D.D. He's kind of on the spectrum, isn't he? He's autistic. Yeah, he is. So I almost feel like, do you guys feel like this? Because I kind of feel like she may have manipulated him into getting her out of the situation she was with her. Knowing that she kind of had that control of her. I mean, she's fucking smart, you guys.

Yeah. You know? And she has proven that time and time again, this gypsy is really smart. And to me, I feel like maybe she was like, this is my ticket out. Maybe I feel like maybe she told him everything and he maybe was like, you got to kill her. yeah the only way out is to kill her yeah because i feel like because she loved her so much she might not have come up with the idea i mean yeah that is true i will take that into consideration because she still to this day so like if she yeah she does like withhold like a standing with her mom i mean

we'll probably never know no truly but i feel like it might have been him because he knew that she the mom or that dd was probably going to get in the way of their relationship true so yeah I don't know I think that maybe even if she did you know manipulate him I think it just came naturally to her because you can't deny DNA you know so she has a part of her mom in her and I'm sure she is very good at manipulating you know it just matters if she's able to recognize that now true like you know without even trying without even being conscious that she's doing it because that's so ingrained in her yeah yeah which maybe her mom also had no like it was the same way yeah it goes back to whatever happened to deedy

when she was younger yeah and her grandpa or her dad doesn't seem fucking like a stand-up I want to know his childhood too you know I feel like you preach this often bunny and it's very interesting to me because I never thought of it in this way is like our parents are literally like surviving with trauma they never healed yeah and it was our responsibility to then heal yeah break that be the cycle breakers in this and you see so often where those cycles are not broken and i feel like this is a perfect example of that that it took until gypsy to be that that cycle breaker yeah nope i understand that jipsy hid in the bathroom and covered her ear so that she would not have to hear her mother screaming nicholas then stabbed dd

17 times in her back while she was asleep. That's overkill. That's somebody who hates you. That is rage killing. Yeah. Afterward, the two had sex in Gypsy's room and took $4,000 in cash that D.D. had been keeping in the house mostly from Rod's child support checks. They fled to a motel outside of Springfield where they stayed a few days while planning their next move. During that time, they were seen on security cameras at several stores. Gypsy said at the point, Jipsy said at that point And she believed the two had gotten away with their crime. They mailed the murder weapon back to Nicholas's home in Wisconsin to avoid being caught with it. Why not throw it in the fucking river?

That's the worst way to get rid of that. I'm just going to like timestamp myself. Yeah. And then it took a bus there. Several witnesses who saw the pair on their way to the Greyhound Station noted that Gypsy wore a blonde wig and walked unassisted. isn't it crazy that gypsy's mom dd was accused or suspected of killing her mom and gypsy did the same thing yeah infestation she went through with it though yeah but no but she didn't kill yeah yeah technically i mean nicholas technically did it she just happened to be a little bit smarter

to not do it herself yeah you know dd wasn't there did he wasn't able to like do we know for sure that she didn't the only thing that makes me question the entire thing is her having sex with him right after the mom was murdered like that's kind of like but again i feel like we're in this spot of which she was not she didn't know any different so like in reality he could have had that like i mean wouldn't you be traumatized after knowing she was just stabbed in the same 17 times like you were so scared you got to cover your ears, but then you're not scared to where you can have sex in the next room. Yeah.

Celebration sex is weird. Well, also, it's like highly erotic to, like, murder somebody and like, you know. Well, if he's into BDSM, it probably turned him on. So, like, he probably then in turn was like. And they're into all that fantasy shit. She learned how to read from Harry Potter, you know, so it could have been like some, like, weird spell. You never know.

Lived out some weird thing. God. Seance. Yeah. Maybe they had sex with her blood all over her body. I mean, you never know. You don't know. I mean, but that's the thing, though, he had to have been covered in blood.

Did you go to shower after? He clearly probably didn't. So they probably did have sex in her blood because it's 17 times, you guys. Like, imagine that mess. Yeah. Yeah. They boned in her blood. Yeah.

But like I said, did they know for sure she didn't? do anything i think that comes into the trial point of all of this is like we're didn't we're going to leave off moving on because this is trying to deep yeah after seeing concerning facebook statuses posted from dd's account the blanchard's friend suspected something was a miss when phone calls went unanswered several friends and neighbors went to the house while the friends and neighbors knew that the two often left on medical trips unannounced, they saw DD's modified car still in the driveway, making an unannounced trip unlikely. Protective film on the windows made it hard to see inside in the low light. No one answered the door, so the friends called 911. When the

police arrived, they had to wait for a search warrant to be issued before they could enter, but they allowed one of the neighbors present to climb through a window where he saw that inside of the house was largely undisturbed in that Gypsy's wheelchairs were all still present. I'm Googling Gypsy's Facebook post because what did she post? That was alarming.

Well, no, Dee Dee Dee. They were posting from Dede's Facebook. Oh, saying what? Because remember, she doesn't have a public Facebook at this point. But I wonder what they were saying for people to think that was going to look. When the warrant was issued, police entered the house and found Diti's

body. A GoFundMe account was set up to pay for a funeral expense. and possibly gypsies all who knew the blanchards feared the worst even if gypsy had not been harmed they believe she would be helpless without her wheelchair medications and support equipment like the oxygen tanks and feeding tube so to answer you guys this question the posts that were on dd's um facebook where the bitch is dead well that that'll do it okay but that's still up right has anyone okay so like when all this like when we were talking about jipsy see and like she got convicted and stuff i went on a deep dive onto facebook and i'm almost positive

it stayed up for a good amount of time before it was deleted and that you could go on to dd's let me see because i did go on to dd's facebook i don't get through it did you want to be caught then that's what i'm saying but do you think it was him like she might have had just a tiny bit more to do with this than what she's letting or because how she would have given him access to her mom's Facebook true you know and yeah to know that he's posting that like they're laughing about it you know well I'm just like like where is her mind mentally is she celebrating like I know gypsy everybody loves gypsy right now and this is not me knocking her at all and I know that she portrays to be this really sweet girl but her actions after her mom died does show somebody that

has either just fucking went completely AWOL and fucking bat shit crazy because she's been abused for so long or very manipulative and cunning almost i almost feel though i mean none of us have ever been in the situation ever yeah but had someone pulled my teeth out shaped my head starved me put a feeding me okay i'd stab a bitch too yeah well it makes you think though because like why not post it from her fake book account so i feel like maybe she wanted to disappear so maybe so maybe if she put the bitches dead people would think Didi killed her did something to her and so she was like gone so she could live like gotcha under the radar gotcha because it yeah so I don't think she thought that's why she was wearing the blonde wigs no and damn well she's very noticeable yeah I feel like

she wasn't smart enough to maybe think got it all the way through since because I'm sitting here trying to like rationalize because I feel like they wouldn't tell on themselves if they were like thinking they got away with it because you wouldn't get away with it saying that. No, no. So if they post that from her account, it maybe looks like she killed her daughter. Yeah. Also on the flip side, when you're in an abusive relationship, and I've said this numerous times on the podcast, you get to a point where you're like, motherfucker, if you touch me one

more time, I'm going to kill you. Yeah. When I was in my abusive relationship, I literally told him I bought a gun and that if he ever touched me again, I was going to blow his fucking head off. And I meant it. Yeah. You know, like I was going to do it. years into this yeah yeah so she might have just fucking you know how to what do they call it a split

where you just fucking yeah that's why i'm like did she really stay in the bathroom or did she help yeah i mean we'll never know never know if anyone did this to me i will tell you wholeheartedly i would have probably done that and worse yeah oh yeah oh yeah fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah they should have just burned the whole house down oh yeah yeah interesting yeah would have been see who was among those gathered on the Blanchard's lawn told police that she knew about Gypsy and her secret boyfriend. She showed them the printouts she had saved, which included his name. Based on that information, police asked Facebook to trace the IP address from which the post to DD's account had been made.

It turned out to be in Wisconsin, and the next day, police agencies in Waukesha County raided the Gojohn's Big Bend home. Gojohn and Gypsy surrendered and were taken into custody on charges of murder and felony armed criminal action. So it is hard to tell who posted that. Why was the neighbor saving all of this? Because she knew what was wrong. Yeah.

I mean, she says it before. She probably was doing it to help Gypsy if in case anything happened with D.D. Because she said that he was a predator. And she thought that, yeah, and she thought that Gypsy was underage. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The news that Gypsy was safe was greeted with relief in Springfield, where she and Nicholas were

soon extradited and held on a $1 million bond. But in announcing the news, Green County Sheriff Jim warned things were not always what they appear. The media in Springfield soon reported the truth of the Blanchard's lives that Gypsy had never been sick and had always been able to walk and her mother had made her pretend otherwise using physical abuse to control her. disclosure of how Dee Dee had treated Gypsy, sympathy for her as the victim of a violent murder rapidly shifted to her daughter as a long-term victim of child abuse. While the charge of first-degree murder can carry the death penalty under Missouri law or life without parole, County prosecutor Dan Patterson announced he would not seek it for either Gypsy or

Nicholas, calling the case extraordinary and unusual. After her attorney obtained her medical records from Louisiana. He secured a plea bargain to second-degree murder for Gypsy. Gypsy was so undernourished up to this point. During the year she was in the county jail, her lawyer told BuzzFee that she had gained 14 pounds, in contrast to most of his clients who typically lose weight in that situation. In July of 2016, she accepted the plea bargain and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Nicholas still faced the more severe charge because prosecutors contended that he initiated the murder plot, and he and Gypsy agree that he was the one who killed D.D. He was also more severely prosecuted due to different personal circumstances.

Nicholas was granted less sympathy and understanding due to a lack of involvement in the abuse. Gypsy's plea bargain agreement did not require her to testify against him. In January of 2017, his trial was postponed when prosecutors requested a second psychiatric exam. His lawyers contend that he has an intelligent. quotient of 82 and is on the autism spectrum, suggesting that he has diminished capacity. He initially waived his right to a trial by jury, but changed his mind in June of that year. Bro, there had to have been some kind of evidence that proved the fact that he's the one that initiated this murder. If that's, if they're saying in court that

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records. I would love to see the court, like the court documents on this case of the fact that, like, their conversations had to have been saved somewhere. Unless they did over the phone, like, but like, because they were talking on Facebook. Yeah, you know what I mean? You can easily get them. that. So, and she destroyed her smartphone, so they weren't texting or anything like that. Like, your conversations were being had on a computer. So there has to be that really solid proof that

this was his idea that he chose to, like, seek out this plan. In December 2017, the judge set Gojohn's trial for November 2018, and their opening statement prosecutors alleged that Gojohn had deliberated for over a year before the crime, while his lawyers pointed to his autism and said that Gypsy had formulated the crime and their love-struck client had just done as she had asked. The next day, prosecutors showed jurors the text messages, sometimes sexually explicit that Gypsy and Gojohn shared in the week before the murder, often using various personas, as well as the knife he had used to commit the murder in some of the text. He asked her for details about Dee Dee's room and sleeping habits.

These were supplemented by a video of his interview with police after his arrest where he had admitted to killing her. That makes me feel a little different. Yeah. Because like this, if the, if there, if his attorney is like really trying to make sure that they understood that this was gypsy and he just played out her fantasy, then there's a possibility this was her idea. I don't think we'll ever, truly. No. So wishwash. Yeah, for sure. Yet, Gypsy testified on the trial's third day. She said that while she had indeed suggested to

Nicholas that he killed Dee Dee Dee to end her mother's abuse, she also considered getting pregnant by him in hopes that once she was carrying Nicholas's child, Dee Dee would have to accept him along with the knife that she gave to nicholas she stole baby clothes from walmart during a shopping trip so she could go ahead and plan either uh however she said nicholas never told her what he thought about the pregnancy plan just like her mom her mom was stealing too yeah bro a lot of characteristic so did she really did she really in the cycle i don't i don't know well she's been in you have to understand she's also been in prison too so she's probably done a lot of self-help stuff she's probably she said she did get therapy while she was in prison not as much as she wanted but

you know yeah yeah some so may i mean only time we'll tell i was going to say we will only tell when she has a kid well that or they've discussed that so much too yeah go ahead no you're good i was going to say that or just as time goes on by her actions yeah you'll see it gets it's very easy to get tripped up and you know things you say on my world of social media and she is so involved in social media right now after four days the case was sent to the jury jurors had the option of finding nicholas guilty of one of three murder charges involuntary manslaughter second degree or first degree murder or not guilty of any of them after approximately two hours deliberation they returned with a verdict and nicholas was found guilty of first degree murder

and armed criminal action. In February 2019, he was sentenced to life in prison for the murder conviction, the only possible option since prosecutors had declined to seek the death penalty. Nicholas asked Judge David Jones for leniency on the armed criminal action charge, which carries a minimum sentence of only three years, saying that he had fallen blindly in love with Gypsy. He received a sentence of 25 years on that charge, which is concurrent with the life sentence. Jones also denied a motion by Gojohn's lawyer, Duane Perry, for a new trial. Perry argued that the jury should not have been allowed to hear that Gojohn had considered raping D-D-D on the night of the murder,

and also argued that the state psychologist should not have been allowed to testify while Go-John psychologist should have to establish that he had diminished capacity. In denying the motion, Jones conceded that an appeals court could find the latter point significant and consider it a reversible. error you were gonna do what though that that wasn't their first time having sex though right raping it deedie oh fuck yeah he's i was thinking gypsy that she got murdered that's gross ew i mean so he's obviously got do you do you think that he's a few grape shorter i feel like i feel like he would have done it after that's what i feel like yeah i feel like do you think he did Ooh, he, I feel like D.D. put up a, would put up a fight if she was alive.

I mean, she was a solid woman. Huh? Do you think that he fondled or did something after he murdered her? Well, I mean, Gypsy wasn't in the room, so I don't think we're ever going to know. I think, I feel like maybe he started and maybe stopped himself, and that's why he went to a gypsy. That's why they ended up fucking in Gypsy's room. Did I just solve the case? I don't know.

That's gross, man. That's disgusting. And you hate somebody that much, but you want to fuck them? Like, that's so weird. That's just, that's weird. Do a new dive on his childhood. Yeah, that's really weird. Oh, Gypsy Rose, man.

She did express like we had talked about before that she feels like I am more free in prison than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live a normal, live to, I am allowed to just live like a normal woman. She says in 2018, Gypsy served her. sentence in Missouri's Correctional Center and did not talk to the media until after she had made her plea. When she did, she told BuzzFeed reporter Michelle Dean that

she had been able to research Munchauser Syndrome by proxy, also known a facetious disorder imposed on another. On prison computers and her mom had every symptom. I think she would

have been the perfect mom for someone that was actually sick. She said she believed Dede's claim that she had cancer even though she knew that she could walk and eat solid food. Leading her to ascend to the regular head shavings, she

always hoped that doctors would see through the ruse and she was frustrated that none besides last turn's stain did. I feel like she probably wanted to tell the doctors every time, but we're not about life at home would be hell if she That's why I said she was probably too scared. She also

mentioned how often when they were in public that D.D. would just hold her hand. She said like if she tried to say something, she would squeeze it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that just tells me she probably never left her side in public. When Dean asked her what made her want to escape her situation, Gypsy recalled the

2011 incident at the science fiction convention, which made her wonder why she was not allowed to have friends like others her age. While she said that Nicholas took their idle discussions of murder into reality, she accepts that she committed a crime and has to live with the consequences.

Nonetheless, she has said that she hopes to help other abused victims. Victims of Munchaus and Biproxy abuse often avoid doctors and hospitals in their later lives because of lingering trust issues. According to her family, Dean and Aaron Lee Carr, a documentarian, Gypsy also exhibits at times the same sociopathic, manipulative behaviors as her mother. who was for much of her life her only role model. She is already psychologically really compromised and she's going to need as much family and underpinning and support as she can get Friedman told Volcher

after viewing Carr's documentary, Mommy Dead and Dearest, in which he appears. He also points out that post-traumatic stress disorder is likely to be an issue in her continuing development. I hope they find someone wherever she chooses to settle who is willing to provide supportive psychotherapy. And then, of course, on September 29th, 20203, the Missouri Department of Corrections confirmed

that Gypsy had been granted parole, and she was released on December 28, 2023, after serving 85% of her sentence per state law. And June 27, 2022, she married Ryan Scott Anderson. I want to know how she met him online. Okay, I'll tell you. All right, I love this part. Wait. So Ryan had a bet with a friend at work that the friend at work was going to write another popular inmate.

And he said, well, if you write that person, I'll write Gypsy Rose. So he already knew her. He was already fascinated with her prior. He had already done research about her. He was a teacher, especially, now he is a teacher. teacher, but he did prior to that work with children of special needs. So her case, like, sparked interest within him because he was already working within the special needs. And then, in turn, he now is a teacher, but they developed a relationship after that. She was talking to other

people. She has been previously engaged prior to him. Yes. She was previously engaged prior to Ryan and that didn't work out and when she met Ryan it took a little bit but then they began talking a little more frequently and she really liked the way that they talked and then after a little while he went and met her and their relationship started from there she said she liked him because he is from Louisiana what yeah this is weird that's it that's the only reason yeah well and good dick we know that Yeah, oh, God. Yeah, I don't want to...

To each their own. Yeah. Makes me feel uncomfortable. I didn't know that he's not that much older than her. He does appear to look older. I can't tell. Somebody said he looks like her mom. He does.

Have you seen the side-by-side? There is very close similarities of him and her mom. Well, you got to understand. That girl's been through some shit. She's not going to have normal. I'm... And this is not me being rude. I'm just saying, like, because of all the shit she's been through,

I know she's used to always being with somebody because she was strapped to her mom for so long, but now that she has freedom and, like, you know, can move about the cabin as a free woman, I don't know if she's going to want to be locked down in a marriage. It was very surprising that she chose something like that so quickly. Yeah. And didn't even get to come out and experience real life and just live. Go be one of the girls. Without being, yeah, without already being so locked down.

Well, maybe she's just so used to being manipulated that. he could have maybe done the same thing to her so she's just like that's all she knows kind of i feel like he doesn't talk a lot so i think that's a good thing i have i watched him in part of the interview is very very short she seems very obsessed with him yeah you know i'm watching this and like mid interview she just reaches over and like kisses on him and stuff and she she has found her new obsession and you know seeing how her mom was and her mom's obsession with things doesn't surprise me and even the psychologist saying like she does show similar behaviors as her mom who knows yeah i guess we'll just have to watch yeah yeah well i really enjoyed this

deep dive you know whatever it is gypsy live your fucking life baby go be you starting only fans fucking i'm ready i was gonna leave that as a comment under her thing but i didn't want to get attack doesn't be like gypsy we need the oaf pronto let's go she'll make so much money she'll be like she would probably be set to life yeah she'd probably make 50 million yeah yeah easily yeah because people are obsessed with her right now she can't even make one video on ticot without getting like 50 million views oh the likes on her first selfie that she posted 6.5 million i don't think anybody's ever got that many likes on there's no way even the like kiley jenner any of them I don't think any of them have gotten like sigh.

And I don't know why I always thought she was in jail for much longer than she actually was. But, I mean, she's been in there since 2016. Yeah. That's actually not that long. Yeah. That's only seven years. Yeah. That's kind of wild.

Well, she got granted early. Yeah, early, of course. But, I mean, she went in when things were, I mean, would you miss COVID? Yeah. Yeah. Still, she did miss a lot, though. I mean, yeah, from 20. It's completely different.

But I mean, they have tablets and stuff in jail. I don't feel like she missed that much. Yeah. They're very connected with the world. It's not like it used to be words. Oh, I literally find TikTok lives of guys in prison all the time. Those are my favorite lives. I know when it looks like someone's recording with a calculator, I'm like they're in prison.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love you guys. Thanks for going down this wormhole with the deep diet. Yeah.

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